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By I think with a drawl

August 24, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

Thanks for the memories. Let’s get ready for 2007!!!

By Producer

August 24, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

We all knew that one day Bobby and the boys would not win their division or make the playoffs. I just want to thank them for the 14 years they did give us. Let’s see how long it will take us to rebuild and get back the excellence we enjoyed for so long.

By Louis Vales

August 24, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Mark, Yes , it is over. Now more importantly am I the only person made ill by Chip calling the old man “Dad” during a broadcast?? Also please tell me the Caray grandsons aren’t going to be play by play men. Broadcasting, like coaching and I guess politics one of the few endeavors where having a father in a position insures you a position. And please don’t tell me he got there on ability. I bet even Frank Hyland would disapprove of Chip calling Skip “dad”. Are there any Rips, Tips, or Pips playing with a toy mike that we should know about? Really awful!!!

By Randy Osborn

August 24, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

Trade Chipper then. Get some hitters and Pitchers. He does not do us any good at all.

By Randy Osborn

August 24, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

Trade Chipper then. Get some hitters and Pitchers. He does not do us any good at all.

By Sonny

August 24, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

It didn’t have to be like this…if JS didn’t give Cox the worst Braves bullpen in the last 20 years to work with, we might of had a shot. I also think losing Furcal was big. Although Renteria is better defensively, we never replaced our leadoff hitter, and the offense never clicked except for two weeks all year. Starting pitching has been hit hard by injuries, but Hudson on the other hand has been pathetic as an “ace” for this staff. Thank god for at least having Smoltzie.

Oh well, here’s hoping we can get a leadoff hitter, trade Hudson for someone who can pitch, shore up the bullpen big time and get some value for Giles in the offseason. Also, SIGN BOB WICKMAN!!!

By johnmrog

August 24, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

Earth to Randy Osborn… come in Randy Osborn… important message from Ground Control: NOBODY WANTS TO TRADE FOR A WAY WAY OVERPAYED CHIPPER JONES!!!!

By Olin Fraser

August 24, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

I agree Mark, “It’s Over.” We do not deserve to be in the playoffs and that’s that. As hard as it is to take, I have some consolation that I won’t have to go through another pitiful performance in the post season as I have in the recent past. This team needs to really rebuild. Cox has had more than enough chances to produce champions with the talent that he has been blessed with and it simply has not happened. He is a good percentage manager but he is not a championship manager. He manages every game like it’s April 17th. My man Chipper is not durable enough to depend on him. Andrew is slowing down at an alarming rate. Rah Rah Gilly makes me sick. Francouer needs some serious hitting instructions. The talent’s there but sound fundamentals are not. The pitching staff is at rock bottom. Smoltz and Wickman are the only two that even resemble winners. It has been a remarkable run for the past 14 years especially for the fans that endured the rotten years.

By GT80

August 24, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

It was over in June after going 3-18. Last night was just another f’ing loss by the bullpen.

By Olin Fraser

August 24, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

I agree Mark, “It’s Over.” We do not deserve to be in the playoffs and that’s that. As hard as it is to take, I have some consolation that I won’t have to go through another pitiful performance in the post season as I have in the recent past. This team needs to really rebuild. Cox has had more than enough chances to produce champions with the talent that he has been blessed with and it simply has not happened. He is a good percentage manager but he is not a championship manager. He manages every game like it’s April 17th. My man Chipper is not durable enough to depend on him. Andrew is slowing down at an alarming rate. Rah Rah Gilly makes me sick. Francouer needs some serious hitting instructions. The talent’s there but sound fundamentals are not. The pitching staff is at rock bottom. Smoltz and Wickman are the only two that even resemble winners. It has been a remarkable run for the past 14 years especially for the fans that endured the rotten years.

By Olin Fraser

August 24, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

I agree Mark, “It’s Over.” We do not deserve to be in the playoffs and that’s that. As hard as it is to take, I have some consolation that I won’t have to go through another pitiful performance in the post season as I have in the recent past. This team needs to really rebuild. Cox has had more than enough chances to produce champions with the talent that he has been blessed with and it simply has not happened. He is a good percentage manager but he is not a championship manager. He manages every game like it’s April 17th. My man Chipper is not durable enough to depend on him. Andrew is slowing down at an alarming rate. Rah Rah Gilly makes me sick. Francouer needs some serious hitting instructions. The talent’s there but sound fundamentals are not. The pitching staff is at rock bottom. Smoltz and Wickman are the only two that even resemble winners. It has been a remarkable run for the past 14 years especially for the fans that endured the rotten years.

By Olin Fraser

August 24, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

I agree Mark, “It’s Over.” We do not deserve to be in the playoffs and that’s that. As hard as it is to take, I have some consolation that I won’t have to go through another pitiful performance in the post season as I have in the recent past. This team needs to really rebuild. Cox has had more than enough chances to produce champions with the talent that he has been blessed with and it simply has not happened. He is a good percentage manager but he is not a championship manager. He manages every game like it’s April 17th. My man Chipper is not durable enough to depend on him. Andrew is slowing down at an alarming rate. Rah Rah Gilly makes me sick. Francouer needs some serious hitting instructions. The talent’s there but sound fundamentals are not. The pitching staff is at rock bottom. Smoltz and Wickman are the only two that even resemble winners. It has been a remarkable run for the past 14 years especially for the fans that endured the rotten years.

By mountain_jim

August 24, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

This failed season is on JS. If he had spent the $ to acquire a closer before the season, the Braves would still be a playoff team.

He tried, but not hard enough, and he failed. We knew the Braves closers going into this year were no good, but he stood pat until it was too late.

Go Falcons!

By Howard

August 24, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

Does anyone remember what the “genius” John Schuerholz did with the Kansas City Royals? Remember all those years of excellence they had out there? Even won a Series…and then bang! Big John started getting rid of his players and the Royals hit rock bottom and have never recovered. Could history be repeating itself with the American Braves?

By Drew

August 24, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

Who’s that comin’ down the track? Its that mean machine in RED AND BLACK GOOOOOOOO DAWGS!!!!!!!!!!!!

By michael

August 24, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

I don’t blame JS and Cox at all. I put the blame on Ted Turner for selling TBS to TWX. TWX could care less about the Braves. Leting Furcal get away was a big mistake. After the season is over get rid of McDowell. All the problems that Hudson has had with his mechanics he has not fix them at all. Sell the team to Blank instead of Liberty Media. An individual owner is much better than a corporation.Michael

By michael

August 24, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

I don’t blame JS and Cox at all. I put the blame on Ted Turner for selling TBS to TWX. TWX could care less about the Braves. Leting Furcal get away was a big mistake. After the season is over get rid of McDowell. All the problems that Hudson has had with his mechanics he has not fix them at all. Sell the team to Blank instead of Liberty Media. An individual owner is much better than a corporation.Michael

By Bud

August 24, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

Well…it comes down to too many injuries and too shaky a bullpen. The fat lady has sung. The sun will still rise and set at the same time. The second law of thermodynamics is still in effect. We will have no shortage of other sports that will cajole us into buying sneakers and junk food and cars and insurance and foot cream and viagra and cialis and lipitor and zocor and on and on and on and on.

It. Just. Doesn’t. Mean. Anything.

College Sports is no better…it’s professional sports where they don’t pay the players.

The sports universe is too big. ESPN2 televises curling. CURLING!!! THEY FREAKIN’ TELEVISE CURLING!!! AAAAGGGHHH!!!

By BirdMahn

August 24, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

Here we go with the trade Chipper and Andruw posters. Fact is, the Braves have only 3 legimate, feared by opposing pitchers, hitters. Chipper, Andruw and McCann. So let’s trade away one or two of them? Come on! We need MORE hitters like that. Not less.

By Bud

August 24, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

Well…it comes down to too many injuries and too shaky a bullpen. The fat lady has sung. The sun will still rise and set at the same time. The second law of thermodynamics is still in effect. We will have no shortage of other sports that will cajole us into buying sneakers and junk food and cars and insurance and foot cream and viagra and cialis and lipitor and zocor and on and on and on and on.

It. Just. Doesn’t. Mean. Anything.

College Sports is no better…it’s professional sports where they don’t pay the players…not legally, anyway.

The sports universe is too big. ESPN2 televises curling. CURLING!!! THEY FREAKIN’ TELEVISE CURLING!!! AAAAGGGHHH!!!

By Alex

August 24, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Unbelievable.

First, there is no “love for Duckett”…but there is a legit concern about having a rookie RB as your backup! J.Norwood who has never played a snap in a regular season game is counted on to carry the load should W.Dunn get injured. Mark it down..if W. Dunn gets injured this team goes no better than last year’s 8-8. With T.J. Duckett you had someone who knew the offense and had the experience, even playoff experience. This is invaluable.

Second…all the people who are “hoping” that Ashley’s problems stay behind, or he all of suddenly changed now that he’s in Atlanta…you are probably the same Braves fans who are crying out that “there is still hope the Braves will get the WC spot” and make the NL playoffs that way. Wake up! The guy’s reputation speaks for itself. How many big plays have you seen him make? How many Broncos fans have to tell you he’s not even good enough to be a 3rd WR on a team, and yeah, what do they know…they only watched him for 3 years on their team!

Here goes the question to everyone in charge of this trade. T.O. was available! A few years back, Randy Moss was available! And you go out, and get a malcontent Ashley L.? If you wanted a dependable third down possesion type receiver, Ricky Proehl was available, has the leadership and experience to help this team and is a proven character guy. Plus you wouldn’t have had to give our backup running back.

You know how people in Flowery Branch keep saying “if Mike Vick goes down, we still expect to compete with Matt Shaub”. Are those the same people who will now say “If Warrick goes down, we expect to compete with an unproven rookie RB”.

So the bottom line, nobody is upset that the Falcons did something to address the loss of Brian Finnerann who was our best blocking WR and third down guy, some are upset about how this team went about trying to replace him.

By craig miller

August 24, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Hey Mark, How about an article about Fred McGriff? Doesn’t his career look better and better, knowing in retrospect that most of the big hitters that overshadowd him were juiced? Shouldn’t he be in the Hall of Fame? Take his numbers from the 90’s and see how they match up against pre steroid era numbers. Knowing what we know now, aren’t his 400+ homers a lot more impressive than a guy like Palmeiro’s?

Craig Miller

P.S. Braves are done. Lots of runs scored, but too many injuries to starting pitchers. Sign Barry Zito in the off season and we’re back in business 2007.

By Dave

August 24, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

UP FRONT: It is NOT likely to happen, because I do not think the Braves have the starting pitching to make it happen,

but….

If the Braves can go on a 10-12 game winning streak, they will rocket past the 8 teams ahead of them and get into the playoff hunt.

Of course, the same logic also applies to the other 9 teams that are similarly positioned with the Brave in the NL.

The LA Dodgers did it! So can the Braves.

Now, where to point the fingers if it does NOT happen (the most likely outcome)??

Simple! The Injury Bug!!

People seem to forget that, this year, the Braves pitching have more injuries than any TWO YEARS COMBINED over the past 20 years!

Think about that for a minute, and you can see why the Braves have not been able to make any move.

First, it was the relief pitching, which lost Boyer and Foster before the season even began. Reitsma pitched hurt, hoping he could be effective; didn’t work. Devine got hurt and is just now getting back into form in the minor leagues. McBride was also hurt and is probably still not 100%.

Then, the injury bug hit the starting pitching. Ignoring the fact that Mike Hampton was out before the season even began, they lost Davies to a torn groin muscle (required surgery). Ramirez had a bad hamstring, got NAILED in the head by a line drive, and is now lost for the season due to a hand injury. John Thomson’s injuries are too numerous to mention. It’s gotten so bad that the Braves have had to call up several minor leaguers to start games and, when taht did not work, have resorted to using two relievers (Cormiel and Villareal) as the #4 and #5 pitchers.

BOTTOM LINE: This level of injury was both unprecedented and unpredictable.

Now, as for JS’s lack of off-season moves?? Boy, hindsight is definitely 20-20! Should JS have gotten Wickman in the off-season? Absolutely, but he would have had to pay something like $14-$16M for two seasons to get him away from Cleveland, which is where Wickman’s family lives and where he considers home.

Given what he knew at the time:

• he had THREE relievers whom he felt had closer potential in Boyer, Foster and Reitsma and could not fathom that ALL THREE would get injured.

• he had a solid starting rotation of Smoltz, Hudson, Ramirez, Thomson and Davies, with Chuck James waiting in the wings. Three of the six got injured!

• He had several other middle relievers available. Several have been injured and the rest only marginally effective.

Given these facts, I, for one, do not blame him for grossly overpaying Wickman to get him to sign last year.

Again, hindsight is 20-20. Had JS known about HALF of the picthing’s injury problems, he would have bitten the bullet and signed Wickman to the $16M contract. I suspect he may do so this upcoming off-season. If not Wickman, then Baez, if not both, will be signed to lock down a closer for 2007.

Just my humble opinion!!

By Jeff

August 24, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Mark’s right—a little late, but right. It’s all over for the 2006 Braves, and good riddens.

Sorry, but offense ain’t the ticket to championships. It’s pitching and more pitching, and defense…and timely hitting. For those who don’t know Braves history, they had clubs in the 60s and 70s that hit the cover off the ball…and almost always played under .500. The Braves won in the 90s with pitching and defense, and can do it again if they follow that formula.

By west coast rob

August 24, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

first off, keep falcons news away. I get tired just reading those names… isn’t there enough mediocrity here already?

bud is right. too many injuries and a shaky bullpen. after the season, hopefully not much will change offensively, after all, that’s not where the braves lost the season — that was from the bullpen and shaky starters. Enough with the fire him and trade him BS — you clowns have no idea what you’re talking about. our best hitters are in the top tier in the league for offensive production (mccann, andruw, chipper, renteria, la roche, francoeur) and we have more than enough starting pitchers for next year. hopefully they big wigs will try and shore up the bullpen for another run next season. oh and by the way, I very much doubt this type of underperforming season will happen next year.

By Jimmy Etheridge

August 24, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this

16 years ago, if someone would have told us that, beginning with the next season, the Braves would win 14 straight Division Titles, 5 League Championships and a World Series, we would have gone absolutely bonkers. Now, we all sit around b*** because they didn’t win a 15th straight title. Go figure.

Congratulations, Braves, on your incredible and historic run.

By yakbak

August 24, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

don’t worry guys, GO FALCONS!

By Wolfman

August 24, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

It is hard to watch almost every night. They , the Braves , just got us all hooked before and right after the Break with all those wins and runs, but as a die hard braves fanatic , I knew in the back of my mine, it was too good to be true. They are so streaky offensively just like in the past 14 years, but the big difference this year is that they do not have the quality starrting pitching to cover up the bats and win close, tight, low scoring games. They are an above average hitting team ( 3rd in league, but no closer for most of the year and a bullpen that is aweful. Middle-men and set-up men that you know are waiting to blow it up. The pitching carried us to division crowns for 14 years, and JS did nothing to sure up closer and bullpen. Also,Hampton /Davies/ Thomson getting hurt did not help our cause as well.If you take 20 wins a year our starters and pen bailed us out when the Offense stunk, and subtract them from our win column, then we have this 2006 season, and no 14 in row by no means. All good things must come to an end, and this is the year it happens. I just hope we learn from this season, get some needed help in areas we need it, and barring INJURIES next year we, will be back in the HUNT !!! Enjoy your year ,Mets fans !!!!!

By Joe

August 24, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

Apparently there’s quite a gap between 640 WGST & the AJC. AJC writers tell us it’s over. Broadcasters on the Braves pre-game show tell us what the Braves need to do to get to the playoffs and feel they’ll get there one way or another. Even their commercials still say “going for 15 in a row” and “is there such a word as 15-peat?” Do they know something the AJC dosen’t or are they just trying to keep listeners to keep their ratings til Oct. 1st?

By Rick

August 24, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

Jimmy E well said, most of these people are either too young or werent fans back in the 80s. I still wear my A hat with pride and those who now make fun of us, phuck off, enjoy your one year in the spotlight, we have had 14 years of it.

By AJK

August 24, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

This season ended during that awful June. I’d trade the few players you can - even Wickman (and try to re-sign him in the offseason) and start preparing for 2007. We’ve got a lot of work to do to be competative with the Mets again…

By Ron Roberts

August 24, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

What really sucks about the Braves’ not making up any ground (actually losing ground) the last two weeks is …

… the starting rotation’s actually pitched quite well of late, and the revamped bullpen’s let us down, and not so much because of Baez (well, not every game they’ve blown) and Wickman, but because of what Bobby had to work with at the start of the season and throughout the struggles… the Ken Ray, Tyler Yates “projects” were nice stories while they were working, but c’mon, no legitimate blogger I ever hold any regards for here ever thought Ken Ray was truly “closer” material. I mean, I read a lot of ign’unt folk try and proclaim him our closer-in-waiting when Reitsma struggled, but no thinking basesball fan did.

Tyler’s problems are more youth than stuff, and unfortunately, he and Ken and Paronto and McBride were about all the “setup” guys Bobby had to call on. I mean, which of those strike fear in opponents’ eyes? Which of those is a season veteran with prior “clutch situation” experience?

John Schuerholz is a smart baseball man. He should have known better.

By steverino

August 24, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

Such a sad ending. I thought they at least would go out with a bang, not a whimper. The unbridled joy of ‘91 and ‘92 seem so far away.

By Skeezix

August 24, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

They have broken my spirit and have raised my blood pressure, but I haven’t completely thrown in the towel; but with Hudson, Andruw (at the plate), and Frenchy (at the plate) playing at a minor league level and continued bullpen problems, I regret to say that Mark is probably right.

By Joe

August 24, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

Jimmy E. & Rick,

I was one of the 700 fans who showed up to those games back then. These young players will bring the pride back to this ball team. I really don’t care who laughs at me but I’m not done with this season and am going to continue to enjoy it like I’ve done the last fifteen, less the one strike episode (‘94) where I still don’t forgive anyone in MLB who was present at that time.

By parks

August 24, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

can we please get the “trade Chipper” morons off this board…..Thanks

By Mediocrity

August 24, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

Congrats to the Braves for defying mathematical odds by delivering one WS Title to the City of Atlanta in 14 years of postseason play. Mathematic probabilities would have given us 2-3 Titles but Cox worked hard to make sure we only got one. I get the feeling that we are in for 5-10 years of rebuilding so that should give the guys plenty of time to reflect on what they left on the table. Don’t beat me up as Smoltz has said in countless interviews that he is extremely disappointed with only one Title.

By Jimbo

August 24, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

Did I actually see Fenchy the Clown walk twice last night? Or was I dreaming?

By Adolfo

August 24, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

All good things must come to an end, but I guess I was dreaming when I envision the Braves eventually loosing in a race to end of the season and going down as champions with nothing to be ashame of. I never thought they would go out in such a horrible way. For years they were the class of baseball, not only because of the moves they made, but most importantly because of the way they played the game. They used to play fundamentally sound baseball and would NEVER beat themselves. Now days, fans are just waiting to see how they will blow another lead, make an error, throw a homerun ball, bunt into a double play, not hussle to first base, and so on… Hopefully this will be a wake up call for the organization and would be a one year fluke, or may be this is the beginning of another streak (one that we do not want!)

By parks

August 24, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

I agree that we should have won more than 1 title but 5-10 years rebuilding is a stretch ….. Smoltz, Hudson, hampton, Davies, James, Ramirez, (maybe Glavine) will be a good rotation next year with depth ….Offense will be fine …..(maybe find leadoff,,….but I don’t find that as important as most) ….we will be MUCH improved ….14 straight Div titles is far from mediocrity ….Also I know it will not happen this time around …..but I believe Arthur Blank will own the team in 5 years

By Gota love em

August 24, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

Hey I agree, its time to trade Chipper. Let the AL have him. We need a player who can play at least half the year and who is a tough out. Chippers commercial should be taken off the air. He is no longer that tough out. He is a automatic out.

Pitching, pitching and more pitching.

By Joe

August 24, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

For of all sad words of tongue or pen, The saddest are these: “It might have been!”

By ck

August 24, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

Only one thing to say…

JUST wait till next year…

Thank you Bobby Cox, John S and the Braves. It has been a blast these past 14 years.

What a ride!!!!

By mo

August 24, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

OK, now stop with all the “trade Chipper” stuff. That’s crazy!

Yes, it’s over, but it is because we really didn’t have adequate relief. We still don’t. Our starting pitchers did OK. They all will have bad days, but I can’t remember a game when our middle relief was worth anything this year. (We do have a closer, though. Wickman has done his job.)

There were times when our bats were the hottest in the league and we still lost games due to weak pitching in middle relief. If I had to point to one thing, that would be my gripe.

But Bobby Cox and John Schuerholtz are great. If we can get a little money in here, we’ll be OK.

Arthur, buy the Braves!

mo

By parks

August 24, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

automatic out? A least say he’s always injured which would a least make since …..

323 ave 19 HR 68 RBI in only 353 AB’s

your right that looks like an automatic out ……..

think before you post

By Ryan Chambers

August 24, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this

HEY..Everyone cool out.

Brian Jordan’s coming back soon.

October, here we come.

By parks

August 24, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

lol..your right forgot about JORDAN !!!!

06’ SERIES BRAVES 4 GAME SWEEP OVER THE YANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Dawgs2006

August 24, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

It all fell apart with the Wilson Bettimet trade. Marcus Giles coming back from his injury sealed our doom. JS and Bobby can hit road. Bring on the NFC South! Go Falcons!

By RobertH

August 24, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

Blaming this season on injuries would be letting management and the players off easy. I could live with missing the playoffs if I was convinced management and players were giving it their best effort. Here are the main points of failure:

1. JS failed to secure a closer until it was practically too late. He decided to go with Reitsma coming into the season, even though Reitsma had done absolutely nothing to win the job back.

2. Francoeur, in spite of his HR/RBI numbers, remains a huge disappointment. How productive he may be compared to Langerhans or Diaz is irrelevant. He will never, ever, be the hitter he is caple of being until he learns some discipline at the plate. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Send Francoeur back to Mississippi until he walks ten times. Stick Chad Paronto in right field…I don’t care. Nothing will motivate him more strongly than riding Greyhounds and making minor league meal money.

3. Tim Hudson has been an even bigger disappointment. I was happy when they traded for Hudson, but I also knew it was utterly foolish to committ to him for FIVE YEARS, especially at 13 million a year in the last two years. I wouldn’t give any pitcher on the planet a five year commitment, and Hudson was coming off an injury year when some of his numbers were his worst ever.

4. Management never made any move to improve the starting pitching. And outside of Baez and Wickman, most of the guys in the pen aren’t fit to wear an MLB uniform.

By parks

August 24, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

your right…we should have kept Betemit to pitch in the the 7th and 8th inning ….we really could have used that .06 higher batting ave that Betemit has than Giles ….we would probably have won the past 20 games …on a serious note, Cox and JS are great at what they do ….Bottom line

By Glenn

August 24, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

The problem with the Braves’ reasoning in looking to their sub-500 opponents as a chance to get well was that they were sub-500, too! And, when you think your opponent is a lock for a win, you’re beating yourself. The problem is mostly a talent deficiency, but there’s an attitude problem, too. The Braves used to have enough talent to overcome most of their deficiencies. Not anymore. But they still play with the same attitude. It’s not going to happen this year. Prepare for 2007.

By Dawgs2006

August 24, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

That’s great Parks. Don’t forget to take your personal Tomahawk and to paint your face before you go to the game. You keep cheering them on for the rest of the year. Go get em’ kiddo!

By parks

August 24, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

Robert H,

agree with most of your points….

on # 2 ….. Frenchy drives me crazy as much as the next person at times but he is still basicly a rookie …….if you look back at the season he has had a very serviceable year …better yet he seems lately to be taking baby steps at being more patient lately ….give him time …there a lot of worse RF’s

on # 4

quality starting pitching is very hard to get through trade ..normally either they play for a contender who will not give them up or they are on a non contender and they are young and they want to build around them …as for this prev offseason, their was pretty much nothing avail …the guys that were avail were overhyped and overpaid …

other points completly agree …..great post

By Ron Roberts

August 24, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

The Braves were sub .500 WITH Betemit. In fact, with Betemit they were six games below… they’re 11-13 since the trade, too. Big deal.

The team needed bullpen help, and got it; the hardest pill to swallow is that Schuerholz NEEDED to pull the trigger on a trade like this far sooner, or, say, I don’t know, fixed the ‘pen during the last offseason.

Guys like Wilson Betemit aren’t exactly rare commodities. We got a guy three years younger than him with more upside potential and better infield range. PLUS we got Baez with him. While he’s not been lights out, he’s still an improvement over what we were throwing out there most nights.

By Curious Observer

August 24, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

I’m quitting smoking and drinking right now, because I want to be alive twenty years from now when the Braves become competitive again. This has to be the sorriest Braves team since the early 1980s. The opponents must salivate when they see Braves pitching. And until now, I didn’t know that the proper response to having two or three men on base was to hit or bunt into a double play or strike out.

It’s time to clean house and start rebuilding. Bring up the kids from the minor leagues and start grooming them for next year. Get what you can for the Jones boys and “first-pitch” Francouer, send Diaz packing (he looks worse at the plate than a little leaguer), and start drafting promising pitchers for development. What we have is poison. Get rid of them all, including the head coach and the pitching coach, and start over.

I never thought I would see the day when the Pirates—the Pirates!—looked so much better than the Braves at every position, but I’ve now seen it. Sure, we’ve been Time Warnered, but not even that can excuse the futility the Braves have displayed in the past three months.

By parks

August 24, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this

dawgs06…. nothing personal …. Will however cheer them on for the rest of the season ..regardless of the outcome….as well as the Dawgs

By Shaun

August 24, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

You can’t continue to lose games at home when you have the lead late. The Braves keep doing that because of their bullpen. They’ve scored plenty of runs (yes, even without Wilson Betemit).

Here are Betemit’s numbers post-All-Star break: .247 AVG/.306 OBP/.481 SLG

…Can anyone look at these numbers and say Betemit would have helped?

Compare those numbers to Marcus Giles, Martin Prado, Pete Orr, and Willy Aybar’s post-All-Star break and you’ll see we’ve gotten more out of what we have.

Could Betemit have been more comfortable and hit better had he stayed in Atlanta? We’ll never know. Maybe. But it’s hard to believe he would have been significantly better in Atlanta. If so, probaby not enough to make much of a difference in the Braves’ run production.

By parks

August 24, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

understand your frustrated curious, so am I but if tired of losing doing what you just stated would insure 5 mores years of crap …. Braves will rebound next year … KEEP THE FAITH!!

By parks

August 24, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

agree R Roberts …. Do not Aybar will be as good a hitter ….He does however have a lot better range in the field …hopefully he proves me wrong on the hitting part

By Head Coach

August 24, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

Baez , appendectomy ??? lol . You have got to be kidding me. Next thing you know , Wickman will comes down with chicken pox and Bobby Cox will turn into a pumpkin.

By Shaun

August 24, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

parks and R Roberts,

If you compare Betemit and Aybar’s numbers throughout their minor and major league careers, it looks like they may be equal or maybe Aybar is a little better offensively.

Aybar walks more and strikesout less and has in every one of his pro seasons. Betemit may have a little more power, Aybar has a little more speed. I see Betemit as a David Bell-type player and Aybar maybe as a Tony Phillips-type player. Both have value because their versatile and solid, but neither are going to be stars.

By parks

August 24, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

lmao head coach …. Shaun thanks for the info and projection

By cityofdecatur

August 24, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

I was on the verge of losing all hope but it was brought to my attention that the ignorant bradley proclaimed the season over. I’ll wait for the math teacher and root for the home team till there ain’t no mathmatical chance. Stranger thangs have happened. Go Braves!!!!

By Robert

August 24, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

The Braves are six and a half games out of the wild card at present.

The d******* donkey managing the team has made poor decisions that have cost the team at least ten games this season

Do the math folks. Had the donkey not been in the dugout, we’d be in the race and more

By cityofdecatur

August 24, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

P.S. 85wins gets National League Wildcard

By Ron Roberts

August 24, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

Robert, what decisions has Cox made that you can say for a fact have cost the Braves ten games?

Oh, and when you list all ten of ‘em, please give the alternate managerial decision(s) Cox should have made. This should be fun.

By Chop Chop

August 24, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

Robert, wake the hell up. This team stinks. It’s not Bobby Cox. Otherwise, the Braves would have had bad teams over the last fourteen years. Bobby has had good players who came through for him in the past. This year, only a few players have been consistently good. It’s not Bobby’s fault. Yes, he’s a crappy in-game strategist. Yes, he finds it hard to make adjustments. I’m not an apologist for the guy. However, I reiterate, this team stinks and I can’t think of a manager who could’ve consistently won games with the starting rotation and bullpen this team has had this year.

By parks

August 24, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

thank you R Roberts ….I don’t reply to that guy b/c when we go on hot streaks he’s nowhere to be found

By matt

August 24, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

Of course it’s over! It’s been over a for a while! The players have to sound optimistic and say the right things during interviews, if they don’t then they take heat for not caring! They’ve known this was over for a while!! I absolutely blame JS for this! Getting rid of Furcal was not a bad decision, that guy was useless as a leadoff!! Kudos for getting Renteria but shame on him for not getting us a true leadoff hitter! Someone who takes pitches and slaps the ball around with great speed….not GILES!!!! Shame on him for stocking our bullpen with a bunch of inconsistent nobodies; head cases who can’t hit their spots!! These guys are throwing c** shots up there!! Shame on him for letting the best pitching coach in the game go….which by the way just happens to be the biggest eyesoar on this team!!!! THis team was doomed from day 1! Giles is leading off (which he’s never done and said he didn’t like it), your relievers suck and oh by the way we think Reitsma is our guy in the 9th?!?!?!? GIMME A BREAK!! Did anybody actually think these guys were going to be contenders this year with that lineup?

By parks

August 24, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

Matt I hate to keep saying this …but in reality with who was avail and considering the payroll restrictions who could have JS gone out and got .consider how much was paid to the free agent closer’s this year ..Wickman would have NOT been traded to us at the beg of the year …pls respond

By Ron Roberts

August 24, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

I’m gonna step in for Matt on the reply…

Billy Wagner was apparently available. Now ask yourself this… before the season, would somebody have taken a Marcus Giles (salary included) so that we could’ve used Betemit full-time at 2B and feel more confident about our bullpen at the start of the season?

Keep in mind that we had $6 million wiggle room at the start of the season due to Chipper’s contract re-structuring.

By james

August 24, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

skip carey said during last night’s radio broadcast that he couldn’t get used to rooting for the mets to win. as a true braves’ fan, I WILL NEVER ROOT FOR THE METS TO WIN, NO MATTER WHAT. the braves have been done since june. we should have traded chipper and giles for some pitching help back then.

By Placing Blame

August 24, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Everybody is pointing fingers now … Chipper, Andruw, Frenchy, Cox, JS, etc. So, I will play this game. Ted Turner. It’s his fault. The moment he sold the team to Time-Warner, it became a matter of time that the Braves were left out of October.

Yes, by way of a strong farm system, “percentage managing” as someone correctly stated, and a few trades that worked in our favor, the end came later than sooner.

Eventually, money wins. It took the Mets forever to come up with the winning combination … but they kept pumping money into high profile players … and at long last, it looks like their spending finally came up with the winning formula.

But with the Braves … well, JS could only go to the farm system or make another “cross your fingers” kinda trade just so often. He, unfortunately, no longer had the means to continue success.

And … there is little chance of improvement. The money won’t be there any time soon. So keep on saying we need a lead off hitter, another big stick or two, starting pitching, a whole new bullpen, etc.

I am afraid that it is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

By james

August 24, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

placing blame is absolutely right. the braves’ problems do start with a lack of ownership. we can only pray someone like author blank will come and save the day.

By Jay

August 24, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

What a surprise, Bradley wrote a negative editorial. Call Cnn. In other news, the sky was blue, there was traffic on 285, and we’re in the eastern time zone.

By Tfournier

August 24, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Please…put Bobby Cox OUT…I don’t want to cry no more..enought is enought and he is the worst… 14 and only one World Series…UFF he is a poor MANAGER…SCRACH.hE IS A prostatic…OH YEA.

By Tfournier

August 24, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

Please…put Bobby Cox OUT…I don’t want to cry no more..enought is enought and he is the worst… 14 and only one World Series…UFF he is a poor MANAGER…SCRACH.hE IS A prostatic…OH YEA.

By nathan

August 24, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

BirdMahn

Contrary to your thought. THE OFFENSE ISN’T THE PROBLEM!!!!

If you actually have watched a game this year, you would be able to see that the Pitching Staff as a whole other than Smoltz and more recently, Wickman, HAS COMPLETELY SUCKED AND BEEN RIDICULOUSLY INCONSISTANT!

We could get rid of Chipper and Andruw, and if we used the 25 million or so we’re spending on them to build a pitching staff (starters and relievers) that didn’t resemble a bunch of fringe AA prospects at best, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE BETTER OFF in my opinion!

Would the offense have less THUNDER? Probably. But last time I checked pitching and defense and timely hitting wins championships. We have had ridiculous POWER the last 5 or 6 years in the lineup. Well guess what. We haven’t come CLOSE to sniffing the World Series in that time.

McCann, Francoeur, LaRoche, Renteria and some young hitters with a GREAT pitching staff, will take us farther than 8 power hitters in the lineup and no pitching will, anyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

But you guys apparently want to watch the 1995 Colorado Rockies in action. Be my guest! I’ll be rooting for a team that builds it around pitching. Hopefully that will be the Braves next year.

By Dawgs2006

August 24, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

To H* with the Braves. Bring on the Falcons.

By parks

August 24, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

R Roberts …good thought but I believe(could be wrong)Wagner was signed for a 3 year (maybe 4) 35 mil deal ….thats either 8.75 or 11 mil a year …If we could have somehow scraped that together …The Muts would have gone higher imo…

Nathan ….agree to a point

would cosider trading andruw only …. Chipper is more consistent I realize about the injuries, but I’m willing to take a chance ,,,plus he is not going to demand a monster salary like Andruw will

Andruw is a great player but imo the 50 HR year will never happen again …Also which I realize is not a popular opinion, he defense allthough still great is on the decline ……

We could could get a killing for a career .265 hitter

By Placing Blame

August 24, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

What do you really think you could get for Chipper? You will not get a top-tier player for him. Chipper IS a good hitter, but a team is lucky if they can squeeze ahundred games out of him.

As for Andruw … he is no longer considered the best defensive CF in the game. He is still good but he has fallen off somewhat As for his bat … lot of pop, lot of ks, average around .270-ish.

Keep wishing guys …

By parks

August 24, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this

A team will give up a lot for Andruw …Still one of the better Def CF in the game …He is just no longer playing like one of the best CF of all time

By brewdawg

August 24, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

Early on in the year, the braves were 8 or so back of the Mets, and he made this comment: ” I’d still believe in them(Braves) if they were 10 back with 10 to play.” Haha way to stay consistent Mark.

By Todd A

August 24, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

Dave is giving Schuerholz a pass due to the injury excuse.I’m sure ole JS will blame this season’s misfortune totally on injuries too.Truth is,this team was doomed from the outset.Schuerholz underestimated the Mets’ off-season moves and didn’t have a sense of urgency to address this team’s glaring weaknesses last winter.But,who could really blame him?The Mets,being the Mets,always choke.Not to mention,JS handed Cox a team full of rookies last year,and they still managed to win the division.If the Braves could win their division at that point,they may win the East for the next generation.Who is going to beat them?Every Braves team under JS and Cox go into the season with a weakness or two.Why should ‘06 be any different?Surely,Giggles Giles would eventually adjust to the leadoff role at some point.And,if Reitsma fails,Cox will just plug in some retread and still manage to get the job done.Been there done that.Right?Uh no.Sit on your @$$ this off-season John.

By parks

August 24, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

People seem to forget that we had as prev stated 6 mil under budget …I guess with that he could go sign anybody he wanted …There were NO available closers last offseason and the ones that were signed 10 mil a year deals …but your right JS should have waived a wand and made them want to play for six mil,.Starting pitcher…..you remember AJ Burnett Deal? anybody you would have wanted Todd A would have been out of our price range ..Also beg of year everybody thought we had depth

to trade for quality starters is next to impossible unless you give away way to much

Our offense is very good … ranks among the top of the NL

By BirdDawg

August 24, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

Wow… Falcons mediocre?

I mean, what’s more mediocre than winning a terrible division 14 years in row, and then failing in every, single postseason, even with some of the best teams in the history of the game, and only winning one World Series.

I mean, there’s nothing mediocre about that, right?

And I’ll say it again:

No one in the history of baseball ever… EVER said October was a crapshoot, until Booby Cox started being outmanaged by inferior managers, and started losing all of those postseason series to inferior baseball teams.

Then, and only then, did postseason baseball become a crapshoot. When, in reality, October baseball in Atlanta isn’t a crapshoot, it’s a crock.

And as long as Booby Cox is the manager, that is what it will be.

Time to clean house and bring some passion to Turner Field. And passionate players might actually bring passionate fans.

Get rid of Cox. Get rid of Andruw. Get rid of Chipper (hello next Yankees DH). Get rid of freaking TIM HUDSON. Stick Smoltz back in the bullpen and go out next year with the Marlins (who’re one game better than us with 20 year old guys running around the diamond) blue print for success.

Oh yeah, change the name of the Turner Field to Braves Park at Aaron Field.

Sounds like a winner to me!

By brewdawg

August 24, 2006 07:17 PM | Link to this

Okay Birddawg, let’s trade THE best all-around center-fielder in the game, put our best starter back in the bullpen, and get rid of a guy that’s hit almost 20 or so homeruns while missing a lot of playing time. You are a genius. And no, noone started saying the playoffs were a crapshoot until the wild-card, not when the Braves started getting beat. And I love the Falcons as much as you, but seriously, the only comparison between the two is that they both have streaks that will never be beaten: Falcons never having back-back winning seasons, and the Braves with 14 straight division titles. Oh, and for all those people who say that it’s 14 out of 15, exactly who won the division in 1994? The braves were only 6 back but everyone just concedes the expos would have won it that year. It’s 14 straight. Period.

By parks

August 24, 2006 07:17 PM | Link to this

birddawg, please give me a division in MLB that has sent more teams to the World Series in the past 14 years (you can exlude the braves….but if you due then exclude the yankees

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

August 24, 2006 08:03 PM | Link to this

Here’s the deal I have been in denial but can stay there no longer. This is not a good team. The bullpen except for Wickman and Paronto and Baez on most nights are not even good enough for AAA. The starting rotation has not been healthy all year and has been patchwork at best. The offense is one dimensional and also has not been at full strength all year. Bobby has had little to work with and made some questionable moves on top of it. We would be in no better position if Betemit wwre here so please let that go okay! JS because of payroll restraints had little to go after in a way of a closer this offseason. Wickman was pursued but decided to stay with the Indians. Wagner cost too much money and the Mets were going to pay whatever it took. The only guy that was in the price range was Todd Jones who JS didn’t want to give a 3rd year on the contracc and honestly can you blame him for not wanting to give a 37 year old closer a 3 year deal?

Lets just pray the rest of this season goes by quickly and next year will be a better year.

By parks

August 24, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this

Good post Robert ….Been saying the same thing all freakin day

By justin

August 24, 2006 08:46 PM | Link to this

The braves record is 59-67 i predict that the braves will go 28-8 the rest of the way and win the Wild card and finish the season 87-75.

By stew

August 24, 2006 09:08 PM | Link to this

It ain’t over. They just need a six game winning streak. I not giving up. Everybody out there are summer soldiers. When the going gets tough the tough get going. Never say die!

By McDonoughDawg

August 24, 2006 09:37 PM | Link to this

Agreed, it was a good run, it’s over.

Get ready for 07……

By Not Huey Long

August 24, 2006 10:04 PM | Link to this

Possibly the best thing that could happen to wake-up such a pathetic fan base in Atlanta.

By Mills

August 24, 2006 10:48 PM | Link to this

I am the biggest Braves fan in the world. I have a never say die attitude. But after watching the Braves lose 2 out of 3 to the worst team in the NL at home I just have to say. “It’s over John, It’s over.” Just like Arnold Swartzaneggers character said to his enemy in Commando.

By Mills

August 24, 2006 10:49 PM | Link to this

Sorry that last quote was from the movie First Blood. Stallone’s Military Boss said that to him.

By kevin

August 24, 2006 11:12 PM | Link to this

The team dug their grave in June, made their coffins and crawled into it recently…now we just have to nail it shut…it’s gonna be annoying watching the Mets play in October…shudder.

By David

August 24, 2006 11:50 PM | Link to this

Well… when you basically have an entire pitching staff on the DL, (8 to be exact) it’s next to impossible to make the playoffs. It’s really rather amazing they’ve kept our hopes alive for this long. Any other manager would have this team well over 10 games back in the Wild card by now. The bright side is that injuries can’t get much worse for next year so we should be in pretty good shape for a return to the playoffs next season.

By Patrick

August 25, 2006 12:15 AM | Link to this

Would everybody please quit it about cleaning house? One bad year after 14 years of excellence and you all want to FIRE BOBBY COX AND JOHN SCHUERHOLZ? ARE YOU CRAZY!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I mean, come on. Remember 1991? The magical season? When Sid slid? Remember 95, when we won the title? Remember 1996, where we came this close to winning but had Jim “Bleeping” Leyritz shoot us down? And remember the fact that we are the ONLY team in any sport to ever win this many division titles in a row. And who were the people that made this whole run possible? Yep, Bobby Cox and John Schuerholz. And look on the bright side. One season full of injuries and bad luck is one season. We still have many more years of Atlanta Braves baseball, and who knows? Maybe next year, we could go all the way. GO BRAVES!

By gayle

August 25, 2006 12:17 AM | Link to this

Props to Bradley for stating the obvious, but truth be told Bill Hartman at WSB has been saying it for sometime now.

We can finally put this season to rest (except for the Braves radio team that is), but the truth is the end of the Braves’ run came many years ago.

After winning the one real championship in 1995, they were up 2-0 to the Yankees in the ‘96 Fall Classic. They were leading the Yankees late in Game 3 by three runs - Wohlers is on the mound and up steps journeyman catcher and big mouth Jim Leyritz with two on base. As Paul Harvey says, you know the rest of the story. But for those new fans - Yanks take the series 4-2.

The seond nail in the coffin was a few winters ago when threatened with his imminent departure, Braves management relented and granted Smoltz his wish to return to the starting rotation. While his performance as a starter has been admirable - perhaps even gutsy - the void created by his departure from the closer role has really sunk his team. Would anyone dare try to count the number of different pitchers that have worn the label “closer” since Smoltz left the Bull Pen?

When a team wins the division 14 times, there is not one death, there are several.

By Patrick

August 25, 2006 12:20 AM | Link to this

And one more thing. Would anybody consider us WS contenders if we DID sign Zito? I would think so.

By Kingofqueens

August 25, 2006 12:54 AM | Link to this

Don’t give up on the season just yet Braves fans! You’re only 16 games behind the Mets. {snicker}

LETS GO METS!!

By Head Coach

August 25, 2006 01:19 AM | Link to this

Bobby Cox is a great coach and a mediocre manager at best. He racked up a lot of wins with Glavine , Smoltz and Maddux anchoring a long solid rotation. Bottom line is :14 division winners , he has won one world series , lost four , won five league championships , lost five and been knocked out of the playoffs six times in other postseasons. That is the very definition of MEDIOCRE and OVERRATED and I’m not even gonna get into the Barry Bonds , Frank Thomas fiasco because most of the Braves fans dont have a clue about that. But , thats baseball and Cox will one day be inshrined in Cooperstown.

By Andre

August 25, 2006 02:19 AM | Link to this

I agree with gayle the down fall of my most favorite team besides the the dogs football team is a result of a lot of moves by JS over the last few years due to money problems because time warner will not pay for players. TW is the reason we don’t have a bullpen. Also tim hudson kind of sucks. I expected the tim hudson that beat the yankees in the playoffs a few seasons ago with oakland. I also agree that althought b. cox is a good regular season skipper. he sucks in the playoffs. He never takes chances it’s always the same stuff. No wonder joe torre beats him everytime in the playoffs. FIRE HIM and let Terry run the team. It’s time for new blood.

By Dave in Tucson

August 25, 2006 04:02 AM | Link to this

What a genius trade by Scheurholtz. Betemit for two guys on the DL. Reminds me of when he sank the team to get Quilvio Veras and signed Albie Lopez.

By Humpback Liner

August 25, 2006 04:18 AM | Link to this

I wonder when the Braves announcers are going to realize it’s over.

By NLCHAMPS

August 25, 2006 06:44 AM | Link to this

LETS GO METS…LETS GO METS…LETS GO METS…LETS GO METS…LETS GO METS …All you bufalo brave fans keep saying how the Mets can’t win because of all the injuries to our starting pitching. Have you noticed we haven’t missed a beat. We just keep on rolling. Maybe the Mets are deeper than you think…..Hmmmmmmm?

By Cornholio

August 25, 2006 07:15 AM | Link to this

The foundation of past Braves’ success has been solid pitchiong : Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux, Avery, Mercker, Neagle, etc.

Compare the above to the current staff.

A far, far cry !

Dump Chipper, Andruw,& Hudson, and use the money to address the starting pitching. The rest of the pieces will fall into place.

By Cornholio

August 25, 2006 07:15 AM | Link to this

The foundation of past Braves’ success has been solid pitchiong : Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux, Avery, Mercker, Neagle, etc.

Compare the above to the current staff.

A far, far cry !

Dump Chipper, Andruw,& Hudson, and use the money to address the starting pitching. The rest of the pieces will fall into place.

By Edgar

August 25, 2006 07:46 AM | Link to this

It’s been over since the ‘96 World Series collapse. It’s going to stay over until new owners come in and take an active role in putting this team back together again. If the Braves have to deal with another corporate ownership then we might as well just get ready for status quo. Oh those days back in ‘95 when we all thought the dynasty was here for at least 5 more years. The lack of a David Justice bat in ‘96 and the trade of Justice after that sealed the fate of our team as also rans. Let’s hope for ownership that gives a rats a$$.

By Mark

August 25, 2006 07:48 AM | Link to this

Maybe its good that we will not see the Braves in Post Season and do the fast exit thing, I know it forsure has sadden me each time.You really can put blame though for not aquiring a closer before season started. If Wickman had been in place from the beginning we would be right there in wild card.In defense of the Braves , They have had a ton of injuries , and are owned by a company that doesnt love them.Thats where it all begins , Thanks AOL/Time Warner for taking our Team to the bottom, Im thinking it took you what like 3 years to slowly sink the ship. Its crazy on their part business wise as well. The Braves are worth less.Once a great team for marketing . Well you guys get the Idea Good Day…

By Top Dawg

August 25, 2006 08:00 AM | Link to this

Now maybe y’all will start writing about the mother of all sports: (college) football!!!!!!!!!!!

Go Dawgs!

By Mickey

August 25, 2006 08:00 AM | Link to this

The anchor weighing the Braves down for 14 years is Chipper Jones. He can be great at times but he is just not consistent. Too many injuries over the years. Unload him if there is anybody that wants him.

By Gene

August 25, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this

I think it was over when Chipper pulled up on the foul ball in the marathon game with Houston last year. They lost me then. I believe the Braves will be much better off when he goes away, which will not be any time soon.

By Edgar

August 25, 2006 08:11 AM | Link to this

Hey Top Dawg. It’s time to get ready. College and the NFL are coming just in time. I am just chompin’ at the bit for some good football that means something. 13 days and counting for the NFL.

By mart

August 25, 2006 08:12 AM | Link to this

Actually the feeling isn’t that much different than the feeling for the past 5 or so years. Even when the Braves made the playoffs in recent years it seemed like a formality and no one took them seriously as a World Series threat. There was no energy or passion from the team (or the fans) during the playoff years since about 1999. The air did go out of the balloon when Leyritz hit that home run 10 years ago, and other than a couple of exciting series against the Mets in 1999-2000, the Braves have been a bunch of walking what-ifs.

By Jimbo

August 25, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

Amen Mark. Let’s be serious, not ridiculously hopeful. Let the planning begin for 2007—if the $$$ would even permit that. The Fat Lady has sung…she sings the blues.

By Jimbo

August 25, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this

Amen Mark. Let’s be serious, not ridiculously hopeful. Let the planning begin for 2007—if the $$$ would even permit that. The Fat Lady has sung…she sings the blues.

By Sam

August 25, 2006 09:02 AM | Link to this

Mr Bradley you are 125% correct. It is OVER. Now I go back when the Braves were in Boston (I grew up in Massachusetts) Braves were my favorite team then the Red Sox. I know my Braves baseball because I am an avid fan I think the fault should be pointed at John Schuerholz. This past off season he didn’t do his homework. Yes…John you blew it 125%. Our biggest need was a closer plus good relief pitchers. All of these things should have been done but NO…John was too busy selling his Book. John did a great job since 1991 but 2006 was a no no. Let the Braves play the rookies. I hope not but something tells me Andruw may be the next to go for pitching. Let’s keep our fingers cross the Schuerholz doesn’t pull the trigger.

By Sam

August 25, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

Mr Bradley you are 125% correct. It is OVER. Now I go back when the Braves were in Boston (I grew up in Massachusetts) Braves were my favorite team then the Red Sox. I know my Braves baseball because I am an avid fan I think the fault should be pointed at John Schuerholz. This past off season he didn’t do his homework. Yes…John you blew it 125%. Our biggest need was a closer plus good relief pitchers. All of these things should have been done but NO…John was too busy selling his Book. John did a great job since 1991 but 2006 was a no no. Let the Braves play the rookies. I hope not but something tells me Andruw may be the next to go for pitching. Let’s keep our fingers cross the Schuerholz doesn’t pull the trigger.

By Sam

August 25, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

Mr Bradley you are 125% correct. It is OVER. Now I go back when the Braves were in Boston (I grew up in Massachusetts) Braves were my favorite team then the Red Sox. I know my Braves baseball because I am an avid fan I think the fault should be pointed at John Schuerholz. This past off season he didn’t do his homework. Yes…John you blew it 125%. Our biggest need was a closer plus good relief pitchers. All of these things should have been done but NO…John was too busy selling his Book. John did a great job since 1991 but 2006 was a no no. Let the Braves play the rookies. I hope not but something tells me Andruw may be the next to go for pitching. Let’s keep our fingers cross the Schuerholz doesn’t pull the trigger.

By Sam

August 25, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

Mr Bradley you are 125% correct. It is OVER. Now I go back when the Braves were in Boston (I grew up in Massachusetts) Braves were my favorite team then the Red Sox. I know my Braves baseball because I am an avid fan I think the fault should be pointed at John Schuerholz. This past off season he didn’t do his homework. Yes…John you blew it 125%. Our biggest need was a closer plus good relief pitchers. All of these things should have been done but NO…John was too busy selling his Book. John did a great job since 1991 but 2006 was a no no. Let the Braves play the rookies. I hope not but something tells me Andruw may be the next to go for pitching. Let’s keep our fingers cross the Schuerholz doesn’t pull the trigger.

By Sam

August 25, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

Mr Bradley you are 125% correct. It is OVER. Now I go back when the Braves were in Boston (I grew up in Massachusetts) Braves were my favorite team then the Red Sox. I know my Braves baseball because I am an avid fan I think the fault should be pointed at John Schuerholz. This past off season he didn’t do his homework. Yes…John you blew it 125%. Our biggest need was a closer plus good relief pitchers. All of these things should have been done but NO…John was too busy selling his Book. John did a great job since 1991 but 2006 was a no no. Let the Braves play the rookies. I hope not but something tells me Andruw may be the next to go for pitching. Let’s keep our fingers cross that Schuerholz doesn’t pull the trigger.

By Mookish

August 25, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

WHO CARES

FOOTBALL IS HERE

By Lisa

August 25, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

We all sure are quick to place blame. Baseball is a game of skill, luck and chance. It’s unpredictable. Players go into slumps. Teams go through financial issues. There’s a lot more to running a team than any of us know. I, for one, am proud of the 14 in a row tear we’ve been on. I remember the lean years all too well. Let’s back them. If you’re a true fan, you’ll back your team, win or lose. Sure… it hurts when they’re losing like this when we’re so used to the winning ways of the past decade and a half. But all teams go through a transition. Maybe this is the Braves’ time. They need to re-focus and re-group.

They may be down, but they’re not out…. yet. But I’m a fan, no matter what.

By biff pocaroba

August 25, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

It is over. There are only 2 things left that interest me…

1. will brian mccann win the batting title. (will he get enough ab’s and will he keep his avg up.)

2. will chipper go on a tear. now that the season is obsolite, it is time for chipper to get good…at a completely worthless time.

By Dave from Chattanooga

August 25, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

Anyone who insists that Wilson Betemit is the measure / reason we EXCELLED or FAILED knows nothing about baseball.

By Ken

August 25, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

I have to agree, it’s over. I think each player will admit it was a group effort. If on those rare occasions when they got good pitching, they couldn’t score. If they scored enough runs to win, either the starter or one of the bullpen guys would blow up. I don’t think the Betemit trade hurt at all, Baez has been reasonably effective. Plus, Betemit has not exactly set the world on fire. The bullpen’s problem is we have too many cast-offs from other teams. There usually is a legitimate reason if a pitcher is in his mid 20’s and has never been effective. Leo sometimes could teach guys a new trick and turn them around for a year or two. Not always though, (see Albie Lopez). LOL. Not a knock on McDowell, but apparently he can’t. Several of the current guys were iffy at best. I believe Wickman or Todd Jones or the like maybe would have a calming effect early in the year and would have made a big difference. We probably would not have finished ahead of the Mets, though. They have too much money. With the exception of Wright and Reyes, their heroes every night are somebody they bought, (Delgado, Wagner, LoDuca, Green), the list goes on. Every time somebody gets injured they just buy a replacement, a la Yankees. Teams with limited payroll cannot compete with that. By the way, I hate the Muts and hope they get swept in the opening round. I will not give up on the Braves. I hope they play better next year.

By Mike D.

August 25, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Then, you must be able to fully explain the hot streak the Braves had and why it could not be repeated. The game must be pretty boring for you, since you already know what’s to come. How unfortunate for you.

By woody

August 25, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

As a bitter Pittsburgh fan I was glad to see the Pirates put the last dagger in the heart of the Braves and then give it a nice slow twist.

By woody

August 25, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

As a bitter Pittsburgh fan I was glad to see the Pirates put the last dagger in the heart of the Braves and then give it a nice slow twist.

By Mac McLemore

August 25, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Wait ‘til next year…Again. Oh well, it’s Bird Dog Season now! Go Falcons! Go Dawgs!

By Mac McLemore

August 25, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

Wait ‘til next year…Again. Oh well, it’s Bird Dog Season now! Go Falcons! Go Dawgs!

By KC

August 25, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

**Well, Momma told me there’d be seasons like this. You can’t win em’ all. But as for next year, there’s much cause for optimism, with most of it centering around what promises to once again be one of the best starting rotations in baseball in 2007.

Smoltzy isn’t showing any signs of slowing whatsoever, and he’s not going to suddenly wash up over the course of one winter? Besides, take a look at other great power pitchers in recent years: Randy Johnson posted a 2.60 ERA with 290 strikeouts at age 40. Schilling still looks solid at 40, and Roger Clemens… well he’s 67 years old and still getting hitters out. Smoltz will still be our ace, at least for one more year.

Mike Hampton’s rehab is going quite well. He’s already throwing fastballs, and March will mark the 18 month mark since his surgery, which is the period of time that doctors insist it takes to fully recover from Tommy John surgery. The vast majority of hindrances and setbacks pitchers encounter when returning from this surgery, occur between the 12-18 month mark (from the time of the surgery). After 18 months, most pitchers show no ill effects from the procedure at all. BTW, does anyone remember how great he looked from the mid-way point of the 2004 season until he went on the DL last year? He was in CY young form… plain and simple. Getting him back could very well be the equivalent to signing someone like Barry Zito over the winter.

As for Tim Hudson, I’ve said this many times before but if you look at the period of time he really struggled… we’re talking 7 bad weeks VS. 7 years of excellence. His ERA before that 7 week tailspin was good, and his ERA over his last 6 starts is outstanding. And keep in mind that he’s only 30, and his stuff has been there the whole time. His problem was a mechanical flaw that was affecting his control. Yes, I know he didn’t look good in his last start, but all pitchers have days like that. If he strings together 3 bad outings again, then I’ll worry. But right now, I see no reason to believe that he won’t be a tough pitcher both for the remainder of this year, and next season as well. If you’re laying odds, I don’t see how you could bet money on anything other than Huddy bouncing back with a solid season next year.

Also, Horacio Ramirez made a lot of headway this year. R.McDowell helped him iron out his problems with the longball that plagued him last year. And while his ERA and other numbers this year are marred by 3 terrible outings, Ramirez was looked dominate in 11 of 14 starts between DL stints. If he’s healthy next season, he has a chance to establish himself as one of the better left-handed starters in the league.

Chuck James has a chance to be a truly great pitcher, and already looks quite good.

And while there may be no room for him in next year’s rotation, Kyle Davies certainly seems to have a world of potential.

Put that rotation together with a very good offense, and what should be a solid bullpen with Wickman returning (and he will), and you’ve got yourself a team that will likely help us forget 2006 ever happened. Heck, I’m already anxious to forget it ever happened… and it’s still happening! Viva 2007!

By Tim

August 25, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

High on the list is for a new owner to be found - and one that will spend a little money. An imposed $80 million budget in today’s baseball world is gonna make it tough even for budget magicians like John and Bobby to produce a playoff team.

By Tennessee Braves Fan

August 25, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

To Bud, who laments the televising of curling on ESPN2 … I agree. But I understand them televising curling a whole lot better than I understand the televising of poker and spelling bees on the sports channels!

By Gary

August 25, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

What’s that I hear? Oh, it’s a fat lady warming up.

The owners gave up a long time ago. They want us to believe that the disappointing season is because of injuries, etc. However, the real truth is that they did nothing in the free agent market except let everybody get away. You can nearly field an All-Star team with the guys that they have either traded or let go via free agency. The Braves need an owner who cares about winning, not the P&L.

By NLCHAMPS

August 25, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

What a bunch of losers. Now that the Mets are kicking a*^&# you don’t have the class to tip your hat. Instead you try to diminish their season by saying they “Bought” their success. Let me clue you in pal. Whether they are acquired by farm system, free agency or trade all players must be PAID. If the braves payroll was 200 mil and they were heading to the playoff you wouldn’t be saying sh%^@#it about money and you definitley would not be apologizing for it. Alot (not all) of you brave fans are bunch exuse making losers with no class. LETS GO METS!!!

By Ricardo Montalban

August 25, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

If the Braves would have just hired legendary middle school athlete and the Marine ball tango champion Matthew “BirdDawg” Cafaro as player/manager, the Braves would be on their way to winning the World Series.

By NLCHAMPS

August 25, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

What a bunch of losers. Now that the Mets are kicking a*^&# you don’t have the class to tip your hat. Instead you try to diminish their season by saying they “Bought” their success. Let me clue you in pal. Whether they are acquired by farm system, free agency or trade all players must be PAID. If the braves payroll was 200 mil and they were heading to the playoff you wouldn’t be saying sh%^@#it about money and you definitley would not be apologizing for it. Alot (not all) of you brave fans are bunch exuse making losers with no class. LETS GO METS!!!

By NLCHAMPS

August 25, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

What a bunch of losers. Now that the Mets are kicking a*^&# you don’t have the class to tip your hat. Instead you try to diminish their season by saying they “Bought” their success. Let me clue you in pal. Whether they are acquired by farm system, free agency or trade all players must be PAID. If the braves payroll was 200 mil and they were heading to the playoff you wouldn’t be saying sh%^@#it about money and you definitley would not be apologizing for it. Alot (not all) of you brave fans are a bunch of exuse making losers with no class. LETS GO METS!!!

By NLCHAMPS

August 25, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

What a bunch of losers. Now that the Mets are kicking a*^&# you don’t have the class to tip your hat. Instead you try to diminish their season by saying they “Bought” their success. Let me clue you in pal. Whether they are acquired by farm system, free agency or trade all players must be PAID. If the braves payroll was 200 mil and they were heading to the playoff you wouldn’t be saying sh%^@#it about money and you definitley would not be apologizing for it. Alot (not all) of you brave fans are a bunch of exuse making losers with no class. LETS GO METS!!!

By KC

August 25, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

Tim:

I don’t think that’s true. An 80 mill cap is certainly a handicap when you’re trying to compete with the Met’s 100 million-plus payroll, but the Braves can and will remain very competitive for at least a few more seasons at this payroll level. That’s primarily because we have some real bargains on this team (by MLB payroll standards). Take a look at some of the bargains on next year’s squad:

Smoltzy could be making 15 million a season with the Yankees. Instead he’ll make 8 mill with the Braves next season.

Renteria is a 10 mill a year all-star, but the Braves only have to pay half his salary (Boston covers the rest).

Tim Hudson will earn 6 mill next year (granted, after that his price tag goes way up, but for next year he’s a bargain).

Bob Wickman has been every bit as effective this year, and over the last couple of years (in terms of saves/save opportunities) as Billy Wagner, yet Wagner’s salary is double that of Wickman’s. The Braves will likely re-sign Wickman to a contract very similar to the one he signed this year with the Indians (1 year-5 mill).

HoRam will get a pay raise via arbitration, but will still be quite reasonable for a pitcher of his abilities. Likewise, Adam LaRoche. He’ll earn a little more, but he’ll still be a long way from 30-HR/100-RBI money.

C.James, K.Davies, Francoeur, McCann, Matt Diaz, Scott Thorman and others, all make rookie money for now.

Anyway, there’s an awful lot of talent on this team next year… for an 80 million dollar payroll, or for any size payroll.

By KC

August 25, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

NLCHAMPS:

congratulations.

By shill

August 25, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

I tell you what, there are many forgetful fans of the Atlanta Braves. It was just last year that Tim Hudson was the #2 man in the rotation, NOT far from being as good as if not better than John Smoltz. If you let him go WHO will fill the void. EVERYONE is entitled to a bad year, and frankly, I’m glad he chose this to be his bad year. What if this had happened when the Braves were in the thick of things? As for trading Chipper, anyone who thinks that is stupid. Granted they guy does get hurt a lot but when he is healthy, he has been a major contributor IN KEY SITUATIONS. Not to mention, he has been very team oriented in renegotiating his contract to keep and sign good players. You do not see Andrew Jones or John Smoltz doing that. We do need a leadoff hitter, but moving Marcus Giles to another team is not the answer. He is a deadly #2 hitter and that is where he needs to be. Before people go and say trade this guy or cut this guy, think about what they have done for the team beyond this year.

By Sean T. O'Brien

August 25, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

Just like A Mets fan to whine that his team gets no respect — and call fans of a team that won its division 14 years in a row “losers.” OK “pal”, get a life of your own.

BTW, the Mets have done a great job building a good team. Good luck getting the the Series so you can lose to the Yankees again.

By tim

August 25, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

turn out the lights the party is OVER !!! and it may awhile before it comes back. the first thing that needs to be resolved is ownership. once that is determinded we can get to the subject at hand. nothing less than a complete and total shakeup of the roster and maybe front office. on the trade block these are must goes while they still have value limited though it may be in some cases. A Jones,M Giles,C Jones,A LaRoach (please people don’t be sucked in by this yr)T Hudson,J Thompson. Ideally we would have had betemit for 3rd but some idiot rubber stamped that trade. and for heavans sake find a lead off hitter and resign Wickman other than him everyone in the bullpen should be handed walking papers. i think its time for BC to step down, Pinella is what this club needs someone who will get in their face. Pendelton , McDowell don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

By Ben Dover (and kiss us goodbye)

August 25, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

No doubt it is over. This team does not deserve to be in the playoffs for numerous reasons. But along with a mediocre offense that is inconsistent and pitching staff that is below subpar, the coaching has been rather pathetic. Was it me during the final game against Pittsburgh or where there countless doubles in which the outfielder was not in the picture and the ball could be seen bouncing around in the leftfield corner until it came to a stop? Poor positioning of players. There should be very few high flyballs that go over Francouers head that bounce before they hit the wall, not multiple ones in a series.

By NLCHAMPS

August 25, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

Thank you KC, like I said not all brave fans are out of touch with baseball reality. Money alone “NEVER” has won a World Series. You need good players, coaches, health, farm system ect ect. The braves had their run of all the above longer than any other team in baseball history. But, all good things must end

By tim

August 25, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

turn out the lights the party is OVER !!! and it may awhile before it comes back. the first thing that needs to be resolved is ownership. once that is determinded we can get to the subject at hand. nothing less than a complete and total shakeup of the roster and maybe front office. on the trade block these are must goes while they still have value limited though it may be in some cases. A Jones,M Giles,C Jones,A LaRoach (please people don’t be sucked in by this yr)T Hudson,J Thompson. Ideally we would have had betemit for 3rd but some idiot rubber stamped that trade. and for heavans sake find a lead off hitter and resign Wickman other than him everyone in the bullpen should be handed walking papers. i think its time for BC to step down, Pinella is what this club needs someone who will get in their face. Pendelton , McDowell don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

By shill

August 25, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

I tell you what, there are many forgetful fans of the Atlanta Braves. It was just last year that Tim Hudson was the #2 man in the rotation, NOT far from being as good as if not better than John Smoltz. If you let him go WHO will fill the void. EVERYONE is entitled to a bad year, and frankly, I’m glad he chose this to be his bad year. What if this had happened when the Braves were in the thick of things? As for trading Chipper, anyone who thinks that is stupid. Granted they guy does get hurt a lot but when he is healthy, he has been a major contributor IN KEY SITUATIONS. Not to mention, he has been very team oriented in renegotiating his contract to keep and sign good players. You do not see Andrew Jones or John Smoltz doing that. We do need a leadoff hitter, but moving Marcus Giles to another team is not the answer. He is a deadly #2 hitter and that is where he needs to be. Before people go and say trade this guy or cut this guy, think about what they have done for the team beyond this year.

By Sean T. O'Brien

August 25, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

Just like A Mets fan to whine that his team gets no respect — and call fans of a team that won its division 14 years in a row “losers.” OK “pal”, get a life of your own.

BTW, the Mets have done a great job building a good team. Good luck getting the the Series so you can lose to the Yankees again.

By KC

August 25, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

“the party is OVER !!! and it may awhile before it comes back.”

Tim, no offense man, but what planet are you living on??? Have you looked at how next year’s roster is shaping up???

2006 was a season of injury and underachievement, but my friend the talent is there. The bullpen and the rotation have taken turns letting us down this season. However, next season the rotation will have a very real shot to be the best in baseball once again. And the bullpen will be vastly improved from what it featured on opening day of this season. Put that together with one of the top offenses in the league, and hands-down the best defense in the league, and you have a winner. Tell me where I’m wrong.

By NLCHAMPS

August 25, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

I’d rather lose to the Yankees in the world series than finish the year 19 games out and whinning about money. You know you’re a LOSEER when you’re religated to hoping other teams do what your team wasn’t able to do….Win. GO METS!!!

By Lisa

August 25, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

All this bickering reminds me of grade school. Grow up. It’s just a game. Granted, a game I love to watch, but it’s not life or death. So, they don’t win the division this year. They need to take a step back and look at the big picture and see what they can do to get back on the win track.

GO BRAVES!

By DBooty

August 25, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

There is nothing wrong with a correction…the stock market makes adjustments, so why not the braves. We have seen history unravel before our very eyes…This organization has placed Atlanta Sports in the history books, so one can only have a sense of pride….This team has promise and now given this year preformance, a purpose. The guys can go into winter knowing that they were outplayed all year long, and strive to make next year not a repeat. We need to see this desire…somewhere down the line we have become complacent as both team and fans, so now it’s back to earth……no heads in the clouds…time to get back to playing hard and finding out what guys are made of…let’s just hope they take a similar approach in the offseason…or we will be in for a long rebuilding process.

By Larry

August 25, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

I take the blame for the Braves’ season. In 1994 I bought an ‘87 Nissan Sentra. It served me faithfully for 15 years, but this spring, it developed a problem of starting up, running fine until it warmed up, then dying, just like the Braves have done. The mechanic said there was nothing I could do without a major overhaul, so I got rid of the Sentra… and the Braves are out of the chase. My fault. Should have kept the Sentra and fixed it.

By KC

August 25, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

NLCHAMPS:

I agree with you… money alone has never won a World Series. That said, it’s certainly a big advantage to have a large checkbook. For many years, the Braves had that with Ted Turner (sigh… those were the days). I don’t begrudge any team for having and spending money. I think the system is broken and is slowly destroying the Major League Baseball, but the Braves haven’t really been victimized by the payroll disparity to any great degree… at least not yet.

Yeah we lost Furcal, but I’ve got news for anyone who thinks we could have resigned him with a larger budget… Shuerholz wouldn’t have given Furcal 13 million a season even if we had a 100 mill-plus payroll. I’m also not sure that we would have outbid the Yankess. That’s because even when the Braves have the money, they don’t overpay for players. That’s JS’s style. He’s never overpaid, and he never will.

The teams I really feel bad for are the Pittsburg’s and Kansas City’s of baseball… even Cincinnati and Minnesota. Sure they’re both winning, but think of what they could do with another 40 million dollars. And the sad thing is that players like Liriano will probably be in pinstripes in a few years when the Twins can no longer afford him. Sad. We need to fix the payroll disparity in baseball soon. If that means letting those spoiled-as*ed, self-centered, cry-baby players strike… then so be it.

As far as the Braves are concerned, I will say this… If Shuerholz had an extra 20 million to work with last winter, the Braves would be in the Wild Card lead right now and would still be in the NL east race. That’s because JS would have had the resources to fix the bullpen before the season ever started. He had to go with what we had, and just hope for the best because we didn’t have 10 mill it would have taken to pry Trevor Hoffman away from San Diego or sign Billy Wagner. A lot of games have been lost this year by the Braves’ bullpen. With more $, it could have been fixed before opening day.

That 20 million difference (between the Mets and Braves payrolls) would have made a big difference. I’m not convinced that we would be atop the NL East right now with a 100 million payroll. We probably would not given all the injuries and underperformance of a few key players this season. Anyway… that’s my 2 cents on the payroll thing.

By Biggy

August 25, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

Why does it matter? Even if the Braves did make it to the Playoffs they would have choked 3 - 4 games in and received low home attendance anyway.

It’s as predictable as the tides.

By mart

August 25, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

KC, you’re something else. I salute your optimism. Why don’t you spend a couple of minutes and explain to us why you think the Hawks will be the next great NBA dynasty.

By KC

August 25, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

Meant to say: “I’m also not sure that we would have outbid the Yankees for Farnsworth…”

By Rick

August 25, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

Any chance anyone will be dealt before the August 31st trade deadline. Who knows who got through waivers. Smoltz, Giles, Pratt, LaRoche….it is time to think about 2007. It’s sad to see the streak end. Actually for the last 3 or 4 years, I really only wanted to win the division and didn’t care about the playoff.

By joe

August 25, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

I’m just glad the Braves folded early. Instead of wasting my summer hoping for a World Series ring only to see them choke in the postseason, I got to enjoy other things in life this summer besides baseball. I’m still a fan, and thanks Braves for a great run. Don’t call me fairweather — I was a fan throughout the 80’s too.

By DHD

August 25, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

Mets….win your division 14 times in a row and then come back to talk about how you tied us. Until then, get back into your yellow cab and choke on a bagel, youse guys.

By KC

August 25, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

Mart.

Thank you. Oh wait… you were speaking facetiously. Okay Mart, please set me straight. Tell me where I’m wrong.

Tell me that the Braves aren’t near the top of the league in runs scored and batting AVG, even with Chipper on the shelf a good bit of the season… and that we have no major free agents in this lineup to worry about losing this winter.

Tell me that I’m wrong in saying that Wickman will be back and that JS will do what ever is necessary to strengthen our middle relief. And most of all… tell me that [Smoltz, Hudson, Hampton, Ramirez, James] doesn’t have a chance to be one of the best rotations in baseball. Tell me Mart… I am just a simple-minded optimist who awaits your enlightenment.

By Lonnie

August 25, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

As long as Bobby remains a percentage manager & doesn’t get a grasp of the word “URGENT” the Braves will remain an “almost team”. How many times do we watch him wait until an obviously off-his-game pitcher allows enough walks & hits to give up the lead or dig a hole that they can’t possibly recover from? As good as he is at winning over the long term, he will never be a winner in the play-offs or in a “must-win” situation like we are in now. He just doesn’t get it!

By Sean T. O'Brien

August 25, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

I suppose it’s not so bad if the Brave lose the division once every 15 years. Congrats on a good job. With the previous owners slashing the payroll (and TV coverage) to make it easier to sell the team, the Braves were quite fortunate to have won last season, thanks to inspired play by youngsters and a weak division overall. Hopefully the new owners will let JS get some free agent beef to go along with the ‘local kids’ who have fan appeal and relatively low salaries.

Their needs are simple – find a pitching staff (other than John Smoltz), get improved play at first base and left field (and maybe second) and get a real lead-off hitter. Also, it seems a number of comments posted have been critical of Chipper Jones (is that allowed in Atlanta?). In any event, trading Wilson Betemet was a major mistake. He was the “third baseman of the future” and he would have been a good lead-off hitter and could have served time at second until Chipper was gone. Marcus Giles has been very good but is an overachiever and his usefulness is waning.

As to the other weak points, I’m getting tired of watching Adam LaRoche mess up by getting beaten to first while lollygagging on simple ground balls and making really boneheaded decisions at the plate. What Bobby Cox sees in him I don’t know (though he has been making the grade lately with his bat). Left field seems to be a black hole. Matt Diaz seems to be the journeyman of choice at the moment. They say his strength is defense, but the Braves really don’t need a Gold Glove in left. His bat also has been sparking of late but how much can he add, really?

To review, get a big strapping corn-fed kid in left (in the mold of Jeff Burroughs or Ryan Kelsko), a Jim Thome-like first baseman (remember the days of Fred McGriff or Andres Galarraga) and a speed burner at second who can stay off the DL and on the field. That, plus getting the six or seven (it seems) pitchers rehabbed and off the DL, and the Braves should be fine. The only other advice I have is to not get rid of every relief pitcher (and there haven’t been many) who shows the ability to get through at least one inning without starting a fire. Sign Bob Wickman.

By Peerless' Mama.

August 25, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

Hey,

It’s me again!

Granted I don’t know much about baseball, but I do know you so called Braves fans are extremely ungrateful.

Does anyone remember 1988, or 1989, or 1990?

I think I can remember the Braves finishing LAST in the NL for about 5 years in a row.

Feel free to correct me, I know you people have nothing better to do that correct spelling and semantics.

After such a run, you should just be grateful that the Red Sox are losing this year also. That seems to be a major issue in Boston.

Maybe the Yankees will lose in the playoffs and THAT will be the bigger story NATIONWIDE.

Ask Cincinnati fans when they last won anything…..1990.

That is all for now. BE NICE!

Buffalo Bills 2006 NFL CHAMPS!!!

By Beth in P'Cola

August 25, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

CONGRATS BRAVES! . . on putting up a record that will be hard to beat - Fourteen straight. Dogonne AWESOME!!!

Can’t wait till 2007 when our pitchers will be back in full stride. Hope the METS enjoy their 15 minutes of fame because that’s all they are going to get. GO BRAVES!!! and thanks for the last 14 years - let’s start another 14 in 2007.

By Carole

August 25, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Well, I have read most of your comments and I don’t agree. I love the Braves and even though this has not been the best year we still have a great team. We need to do something about the pitching and get some pitchers who can help Smoltzie. He is still the greatest. I just wish we had Maddox and Glavine they were the greatest team ever. Hang in there Braves, I still support you.

By Carl Morton

August 25, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Cox needs to go. He’s way overrated. This team has won through the years by being in baseball’s weakest division. Most of the pitchers are of AAA quality or less. No bench at all. Let’s go back to the days of four starters and a 9 or 10 man pitching staff. Braves need some “professional” hitters. Also, dump the pathetic Carays from the broadcast booth. Nepotism at its worst.

By Carl Morton

August 25, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

Cox needs to go. He’s way overrated. This team has won through the years by being in baseball’s weakest division. Most of the pitchers are of AAA quality or less. No bench at all. Let’s go back to the days of four starters and a 9 or 10 man pitching staff. Braves need some “professional” hitters. Also, dump the pathetic Carays from the broadcast booth. Nepotism at its worst.

By Jim

August 25, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

For all the 1 win in 14 playoff appearances (actually 15 if you count the time with Toronto)complaints against Cox, consider La Russa’s record ( 1 win in all his years with the A’s and St. Louis — plus a sure exit somewhere along the line this year). Leyland has one win in numerous trips with the Pirates and Marlins — and probably won’t win this year again.) Even Torre is 0 for the century with the highest payroll in the business during that stretch.

The Braves should have won it all in ‘93, but lost to the Phillies ( a team that gave them trouble all year ). Can anyone tell me what decisions by Cox cost us that series?

In ‘96 we lost not just because of the Leyritz home run, but becuase the Yankees had a better bullpen than we did, and had a more patient lineup that caused us to get into our bullpen an inning or two before we would have liked. After we took a 6 - 0 lead early in the Leyritz game and knocked out Rogers, we never scored another run and never completely put the game out of reach. There was also a key error in game 3 by Blauser that gave the Yankees an early lead and got us into the bullpen where we could not keep the score where it was. On the play before the Leyritz homer in game 4 there was a dp grounder that Belliard bobbled and only got 1 out — that made Leyritz the tying run at the plate. I don’t know the moves Cox made that cost us this series! Could one of the anti Cox posters please inform us?

In 1999 we were fortunate to just get to the WS. We had lost Galaraga and Javier Lopez for all or most of the year; had Smoltz on the DL and throwing sidearm and using knuckleballs to forestall the inevitable elbow surgery; and relied on John Rocker as our closer. We overachieved to win the division, let alone 2 rounds of playoff series.

The last two years the team overachieved to even make the playoffs.

Only in 2002 and 2003 when the team lost in the first round to the Giants should they have gone farther, but in 2002 Glavine got rocked and Shefield gave us nothing (trying too hard to outdo Bonds?) and in 2003 we had the tying and winning runs on base in the 9th inning with Chipper and Shefield hitting and did not score.

The common thread to the losses in 1992, 1993, 1996, and 1997 — an inferior bullpen to the team that won, not an inferior manager.

By Carole

August 25, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Well, I have read most of your comments and I don’t agree. I love the Braves and even though this has not been the best year we still have a great team. We need to do something about the pitching and get some pitchers who can help Smoltzie. He is still the greatest. I just wish we had Maddox and Glavine they were the greatest team ever. Hang in there Braves, I still support you.

By Carole

August 25, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Well, I have read most of your comments and I don’t agree. I love the Braves and even though this has not been the best year we still have a great team. We need to do something about the pitching and get some pitchers who can help Smoltzie. He is still the greatest. I just wish we had Maddox and Glavine they were the greatest team ever. Hang in there Braves, I still support you.

By Carole

August 25, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

Well, I have read most of your comments and I don’t agree. I love the Braves and even though this has not been the best year we still have a great team. We need to do something about the pitching and get some pitchers who can help Smoltzie. He is still the greatest. I just wish we had Maddox and Glavine they were the greatest team ever. Hang in there Braves, I still support you.

By Carole

August 25, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Well, I have read most of your comments and I don’t agree. I love the Braves and even though this has not been the best year we still have a great team. We need to do something about the pitching and get some pitchers who can help Smoltzie. He is still the greatest. I just wish we had Maddox and Glavine they were the greatest team ever. Hang in there Braves, I still support you.

By Bobcatjoe

August 25, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

Let’s trade some prospects - How about Diaz, Lagerhans, and Cormier for Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis of the Marlins - they won’t be able to afford them. Go Braves in 2007!

By Josh

August 25, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

I miss Furcal’s strong arm from short! I know he had a tough time getting on base the tail end of last year, but, honestly, when it came to close plays, Rafael always threw a strike to first. My vote: let Smoltz and Andruw go, build upon Chipper’s leadership. We need to have one veteran on the team.

By Mike

August 25, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

Yes…it’s over. All I have to look forward to now is the Glavine/Maddux matchup in the NLCS.

By al hott

August 25, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

Braves players have already missed a total of 920 games this season for 21 stints on the disabled list, after missing a total of 497 games last season.

Baez joins a crowded DL that includes pitchers Horacio Ramirez, John Thomson, Mike Hampton, John Foster, Kyle Davies, Chris Reitsma and Phil Stockman; outfielders Kelly Johnson and Brian Jordan; and Aybar.

the above is from your own newspaper…shall we blame Bobby, John, or the owners for this problem??
Wake up folks a down year coupled with an abnormal amount of ailments killed the Braves’ chances this year. Hopefully 07 will be better??

By hunter

August 25, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

Braves are done this year. Next year they will be better, but probably not enough to win playoff spot. Time to rebuild. Also will probably have cooperative owners, so budget restraints.

1. Chipper, Andruw, Hudson, Smoltz, Hampton take up most of budget, so regardless of option, we can’t keep all and also go out and meet needs. So..

2. Trade Andruw. Much as I enjoy watching him play, he will be a free agent after next season anyway. Talk of trading him this year, leak of him being on waivers and the prospect of not being on a playoff team will probably make him unwilling to give Braves another hometown discount (I don;t blame him for that). Also due to his hard outfield play he may be in decline with his knees and back. He probablyhas a couple more super years in him, but will not be enough to carry the Braves.

3. Chipper has a big contract, but probably not tradable unless the braves eat some of it. Needs to prove he can stay healthy, but not much we can do either way for now.

4. This one breaks my heart. Trade Smoltz to Tigers. He’s got a few years left and doesn’t deserve to spend them in rebuilding years. I assume he would like to go home to Detroit. Let him have a say in where he goes.

5. Hutson, like Chipper probably isn’t very tradable until he has a good year. I cheered when he was signed and hope he recovers next year. He’s young enough to make it through rebuilding and lead them to another run.

6. Hampton just needs to reprove himself.

7. Wickman needs to be resigned. He’s not a lights out power closer, but he’d better than anything we have or likely will find.

8. Baez has ppotential, sign him and hope.

9. Giles, if he is to continue as lead off, trade him. Bat him second, keep him.

10. LaRoche, McCann and Frenchy, keep and let them grow, they are the future.

11. Without middle relief, starting and closing will never be good enough. Stories of players out of baseball making the majors are heartwarming, but rarely successful. Get some decent relief so we aren’t always losing in the 6th, 7th and 8th. Unfortunately is is probably one of the hardest tasks and why the rebuild will take time.

12. Get a leadoff man with speed, someone disruptive. He probablky needs to be second base if Giles traded or left field with trade of Diaz and/or Ryan. Assume Kelly will be back next season also.

13. Last, but not least, starters. Hutson, Hampton, Ramirez, Thompson, James for next year, but look to developing and trading for prospects (ala Marlins)with three year timetable.

With budget limitations, rebuilding is only option, we need to face reality that we are not thre Yankees who can get what they need whenever they need it. Haven’t always agreed with their choices, but JS and Cox have done good job, I expect them to continue doing so.

By Mike

August 25, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

Yes…it’s over. All I have to look forward to now is the Glavine/Maddux matchup in the NLCS.

By Cornholio

August 25, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

K.C.,

Are you Tim Hudson’s publicist or lover?

He SUCKS ! He was fair last year, and this year he just plain SUCKS ! That money could be used elsewhere.

Trade his a* back to the American League. Surely Boston or Texas would love to have him, judging by their long track record of overpaying for washed up pitchers !

By fansince66

August 25, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

Right on Jim! it ain’t Bobby’s fault. It had to end sometime. Loved the past 15 years, cuz i suffered thru the 70s and 80s! Was and shall ever be a Braves fan! I hope Fox signs Skip n Chip, or Pete n Don, or Joe, so I can hear great announcers on the non-TBS games. Torborg and whatshisname suck.

By dannyc

August 25, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

Since the Braves won’t be playing real ball in October, send them to Florida,without golf clubs, and let them learn to bunt and advance runners.

By kellix

August 25, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

It’s over and I’m kind of glad, we have been in the playoffs 14 times and have 1 World Series to show for it. Our town has grown so apathetic toward them anyway. Were in the playoffs on a day game, and there are 3-4 thousand empty seats multiple times. Try that in Pittsburgh; people would kill to be in those seats. I would hand all those 14 trips to the play offs for 2 World Series victories. The team needs a major overhaul from the ground up including Cox and management, and we need a buyer that’s cares about the team like Arthur Blank would instead of using it as a tax write off. I think it should be illegal for any owner to buy a team that lives out of state. I have lived in Atlanta all my life and in those 37 years, I have seen the horrible Braves to America’s team and it looks like its going back to mediocre. Besides the team has lost the hunger, to be a world champion. When the Braves won the World Series, you could tell they wanted it. The past playoffs it been like they don’t care, their getting a paycheck. The Braves need to be on the outside looking in to get that hunger back.

By dmap

August 25, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

WOW, what a bunch of spoiled brats. I could understand all the harsh critisism, if these guys didn’t play hard or just gave up, but they didn’t. They play hard every day and so what they aren’t going to make the playoffs this year. Enjoy the run we have had and get ready for next year. Trade this person or that person………..that a load of crap. With out Chipper we don’t have the 1 ring we do have. Without JS and BC we have no run of 14 straight, so count yourselves lucky to have witnessed the greatest show on earth for 14 years and show a little support and respect. GO BRAVOS I look foward to the start of another run see ya next year.

PS Furcal left for the cash…..blame him not the club.

By Brian

August 25, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

So we bid adieu to the playoffs, but only for a year I hope. The Braves have a great organization and anyone who thinks they’re in for another mid 80s slide is a short-sighted moron. And for all the haters, you’re the reason Turner Field isn’t full every night. It’s fans like you who don’t love baseball but love fantasy stats and dismiss players because they got hurt and screwed you in your roto league. Hudson is well on his way to a hall of fame career, and if you think one bad season disqualifies him from that look at Smoltz’s #s in 1997. Chipper is a HOFer too, and you just can’t toss his contribution aside. He’s one of the all-time greats at 3rd. Don’t cast off Francouer either. You’ll regret it. My hope is you morons who can’t enjoy a good thing, even when it ends, will get a clue about the ebb and flow of baseball. You just aren’t used to losing and you’ve got JS, BC and 14 years of great baseball to thank for that.

By Daniel

August 25, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

What a run it has been. It would really be special if, on the day the Braves are officially eliminated, a strong crowd gives a standing ovation long enough to compel Bobby to come out and tip his cap. What he, his coaches, and John Schuerholtz have accomplished over the last 15 years has been Hall-of-Fame calibur, and it would be really great for the fans to show their appreciation, despite any disappointment this year.

By dmap

August 25, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

WOW, what a bunch of spoiled brats. I could understand all the harsh critisism, if these guys didn’t play hard or just gave up, but they didn’t. They play hard every day and so what they aren’t going to make the playoffs this year. Enjoy the run we have had and get ready for next year. Trade this person or that person………..that a load of crap. With out Chipper we don’t have the 1 ring we do have. Without JS and BC we have no run of 14 straight, so count yourselves lucky to have witnessed the greatest show on earth for 14 years and show a little support and respect. GO BRAVOS I look foward to the start of another run see ya next year.

PS Furcal left for the cash…..blame him not the club.

By dmap

August 25, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

WOW, what a bunch of spoiled brats. I could understand all the harsh critisism, if these guys didn’t play hard or just gave up, but they didn’t. They play hard every day and so what they aren’t going to make the playoffs this year. Enjoy the run we have had and get ready for next year. Trade this person or that person………..that a load of crap. With out Chipper we don’t have the 1 ring we do have. Without JS and BC we have no run of 14 straight, so count yourselves lucky to have witnessed the greatest show on earth for 14 years and show a little support and respect. GO BRAVOS I look foward to the start of another run see ya next year.

PS Furcal left for the cash…..blame him not the club.

By Kelley

August 25, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

We all should be thankful to Bobby and the boys for 14 in a row. I don’t think we all knew how good we had it. Maybe it will make us all appreciate it more when we get into post-season play again.

By Vince

August 25, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

PARKS..Can’t exclude the Yankee’s They’ve been there 6 times, won 4.

By joe

August 25, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Looks like it’s gonna be a NY subway series this year! Go Yankees! Go Mets!!

By Keith

August 25, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

I know this is a late post, and people may have already touched on this, but I don’t feel like reading everything.

It’s not Schuerholz’s decision on what the budget for the payroll is. So don’t blame him for not ponying up the cash to get a better bullpen. There is nothing wrong with McDowell. The bullpen was awful last year under Mazzone and Hudson’s erraticness started last year too.

What needs to be done? Francoeur needs patience. Wickman must be re-signed. Hudson needs to get straigtened out. LaRoche can’t revert to his early season woes. Experiment with someone else at leadoff and put Giles back at #2. Most of all - the team must be healthy.

McCann is the man. Chipper actually is having a good season, while healthy. Renteria had a nice comeback year. Diaz needs to play every day.

Next year’s rotation: Smoltz-Hudson-Cy Young-Ramirez-Davies. This has incredible potential.

If healthy, the ‘07 Braves are awesome, on paper. But remember, baseball is not played on paper. It’s played in TV sets!!!!

Who is Cy Young? Mike Hampton of course!!!!!

By Dan

August 25, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

The only real donkey on this blog is Robert. Keep on blogging you jacka$$.

By Vince

August 25, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

Regarding NLCHAMPS quote that he would rather have the Mets lose to the Yankees in the World Series..believe me everyone..no REAL Met fan ever wants to go through that ever again..for ANYTHING!

By GatorRock

August 25, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

Anyone who gets excited at the thought of Georgia football has no life.

By Whoever

August 25, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

Trade Chipper! Chipper has given this city and this team so much. To say he has never done anything just shows what an idiot you are!

By tim

August 25, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this

I still have hope. The people that complain about 14 division titles but only 1 world series get on my nerves. They probably don’t remember the 100 loss seasons back in the 80’s. I will gladly take that for all of the teams I cheer. If the bulldogs win 14 division titles and 1 championship in the next 14 years they would say that mark richt was the greatest coach ever. If bobby cox does it he is a terrible manager.

By Jfran

August 25, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

I can’t believe everyone is giving up. I am making this prediction today, August 25, 2006, the Braves will go on an unbelievable win streak and make the playoffs. I think with Hudson, Smoltz, James and Villareal and Davies coming back in a week, the Braves have a great chance of going on a winning streak of 10 to 12 games. If Giles’ hand is any better, I can see him having a great September. Renteria, Franceour and Langerhans are about to get hot. McCann, C. Jones, A. Jones and LaRoche will remain hot. Wickman is unbelievable. The bullpen will be above average in September. If they make they playoffs, the Series is not far off. St. Louis, N.Y. Mets are becoming a joke due to injuries and lack of healthy pitching. I may sound nuts, but save my comment and you can tell me how great I am when the Atlanta Braves win the National League Wildcard.

By Jfran

August 25, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

I can’t believe everyone is giving up. I am making this prediction today, August 25, 2006, the Braves will go on an unbelievable win streak and make the playoffs. I think with Hudson, Smoltz, James and Villareal and Davies coming back in a week, the Braves have a great chance of going on a winning streak of 10 to 12 games. If Giles’ hand is any better, I can see him having a great September. Renteria, Franceour and Langerhans are about to get hot. McCann, C. Jones, A. Jones and LaRoche will remain hot. Wickman is unbelievable. The bullpen will be above average in September. If they make they playoffs, the Series is not far off. St. Louis, N.Y. Mets are becoming a joke due to injuries and lack of healthy pitching. I may sound nuts, but save my comment and you can tell me how great I am when the Atlanta Braves win the National League Wildcard.

By NLCHAMPS

August 25, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this

Vince….I was responding to a previous blog saying bascally that it was pointless going to the world series since the Yankees would beat us anyway. I was just making a point in comparison to where the brave are. I would NEVER want to lose to the Yankees again. I hope we do face them again for some much deserved payback.

By TEH

August 25, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

Marks right—it’s over for this year. When the Braves were good they figured out a way to win. Now, they figure out a way to lose. That doesn’t bode well for any comeback. They’ve been out of sync all year.

By David

August 25, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

what is the matter with all of u i understand the braves chances of winning the wild card are slim but come on they have been winning for all of u for 14 straight years and now this year its late august and all of u are turning on them thiers still a month left anything can happen but the braves need fan support and all of u arent supporting one bit so what ever none of u know what the rest of this season is gunna be like i for one am not gunna say its over until the last day of the season and who knows just maybe we will see atlanta in the play offs in october

By David

August 25, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

what is the matter with all of u i understand the braves chances of winning the wild card are slim but come on they have been winning for all of u for 14 straight years and now this year its late august and all of u are turning on them thiers still a month left anything can happen but the braves need fan support and all of u arent supporting one bit so what ever none of u know what the rest of this season is gunna be like i for one am not gunna say its over until the last day of the season and who knows just maybe we will see atlanta in the play offs in october

By Kristy

August 25, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

Trade Chipper? Chipper isn’t reliable? Give me a freakin break!!! This guy just hit 3 home runs in ONE GAME!!! He batted around .500 in the month of July!!!! Trade Chipper???? What’s wrong with y’all??

By Kristy

August 25, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

Trade Chipper? Chipper isn’t reliable? Give me a freakin break!!! This guy just hit 3 home runs in ONE GAME!!! He batted around .500 in the month of July!!!! Trade Chipper???? What’s wrong with y’all??

By David

August 25, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

what is the matter with all of u i understand the braves chances of winning the wild card are slim but come on they have been winning for all of u for 14 straight years and now this year its late august and all of u are turning on them thiers still a month left anything can happen but the braves need fan support and all of u arent supporting one bit so what ever none of u know what the rest of this season is gunna be like i for one am not gunna say its over until the last day of the season and who knows just maybe we will see atlanta in the play offs in october

By Vince

August 25, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

Gotcha NLCHAMPS..I’m a tansplant from NYC (1989) and a Yankee fan who (believe it or not) root for the Braves too. If I still lived in NYC in 2000, and the Mets won the series instead, I probably would have gone on “the lam” I will say I did not rub it in to the Mets fans that I know here, because I almost know exactly how you all felt.

By Rob

August 25, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

As the summer is grinding down so are MY Braves. I have been a fan since moving to Alabama in 1966 (same year the Braves moved to Atlanta). I have seen some great summers and a lot of really bad ones. Since the summer of 1991, I have been a very happy fan and have watched countless games and felt the pride of being a winner. Although the wheels have completely fallen off this year (Yes, it is over for this year), I am happy knowing that JS and BC have built a winner for us all to enjoy the past many years. The only areas that need to be fixed are these: relief pitching, consistance starting pitching and most importantly…NEW OWNERSHIP THAT WILL SPEND AT LEAST $90 MILLION A YEAR!!!! I am not nor have I ever been a “fair weather fan”…but a loyal one for 40 plus years!! I hope next year we will return to greatness…get well soon Tommy Glavine, we certainly miss you!

By David

August 25, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

what is the matter with all of u i understand the braves chances of winning the wild card are slim but come on they have been winning for all of u for 14 straight years and now this year its late august and all of u are turning on them thiers still a month left anything can happen but the braves need fan support and all of u arent supporting one bit so what ever none of u know what the rest of this season is gunna be like i for one am not gunna say its over until the last day of the season and who knows just maybe we will see atlanta in the play offs in october

By David

August 25, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

what is the matter with all of u i understand the braves chances of winning the wild card are slim but come on they have been winning for all of u for 14 straight years and now this year its late august and all of u are turning on them thiers still a month left anything can happen but the braves need fan support and all of u arent supporting one bit so what ever none of u know what the rest of this season is gunna be like i for one am not gunna say its over until the last day of the season and who knows just maybe we will see atlanta in the play offs in october

By David

August 25, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

what is the matter with all of u i understand the braves chances of winning the wild card are slim but come on they have been winning for all of u for 14 straight years and now this year its late august and all of u are turning on them thiers still a month left anything can happen but the braves need fan support and all of u arent supporting one bit so what ever none of u know what the rest of this season is gunna be like i for one am not gunna say its over until the last day of the season and who knows just maybe we will see atlanta in the play offs in october

By David

August 25, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

what is the matter with all of u i understand the braves chances of winning the wild card are slim but come on they have been winning for all of u for 14 straight years and now this year its late august and all of u are turning on them thiers still a month left anything can happen but the braves need fan support and all of u arent supporting one bit so what ever none of u know what the rest of this season is gunna be like i for one am not gunna say its over until the last day of the season and who knows just maybe we will see atlanta in the play offs in october

By David

August 25, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

what is the matter with all of u i understand the braves chances of winning the wild card are slim but come on they have been winning for all of u for 14 straight years and now this year its late august and all of u are turning on them thiers still a month left anything can happen but the braves need fan support and all of u arent supporting one bit so what ever none of u know what the rest of this season is gunna be like i for one am not gunna say its over until the last day of the season and who knows just maybe we will see atlanta in the play offs in october

By BravesFanForLife

August 25, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

Most of you especially Mark Bradly need to stop putting the Braves down, more impossible things have happened! All of you that put the Braves down and call yourself fans are despicable!!!!!

By Rob

August 25, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

As the summer is winding down so are MY Braves. I have been a fan since moving to Alabama in 1966 (same year the Braves moved to Atlanta). I have seen some great summers and a lot of really bad ones. Since the summer of 1991, I have been a very happy fan and have watched countless games and felt the pride of being a winner. Although the wheels have completely fallen off this year (Yes, it is over for this year), I am happy knowing that JS and BC have built a winner for us all to enjoy the past many years. The only areas that need to be fixed are these: relief pitching, consistant starting pitching and most importantly…NEW OWNERSHIP THAT WILL SPEND AT LEAST $90 MILLION A YEAR!!!! I am not nor have I ever been a “fair weather fan”…but a loyal one for 40 plus years!! I hope next year we will return to greatness…get well soon Tommy Glavine, we certainly miss you!

By Myster

August 25, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

Two good seats at Turner Field, $150. Parking pass for a double header, $12. One shared meal from Turner Field vendors, $20. [Adding up costs for Braves tickets, parking, etc.] Atlanta Braves in 2006? Priceless. -sigh-

By Kurt

August 25, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

OK — it doesn’t take a statistician (sp?) to know that the Braves are all but mathematically elimated. They need something like a 20-5 run to have a shot, but can we act like real sports fans and support them? I was in Boston a couple of weeks ago to watch the Redsox — the difference in the fan support is incredible — the Redsox fan may boo a play here and there, but they cheer for their team intensely the entire game. Anyone who saw a Braves/Redsox game at Turner field in June knows what I mean — the Redsox fans in the stands made us Braves fans look apathetic. We have been a little spoiled by success in Atlanta — let’s give these guys the support they deserve over the next month — they’ve given us more excitement than almost any other team in other cities over 15 years.

By TEH

August 25, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

Mark’s right—it’s over for this year. When the Braves were good they figured out a way to win. Now, they figure out a way to lose. That doesn’t bode well for any comeback. They’ve been out of sync all year.

By Vince

August 25, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

Gotcha NLCHAMPS..I’m a tansplant from NYC (1989) and a Yankee fan who (believe it or not) root for the Braves too. If I still lived in NYC in 2000, and the Mets won the series instead, I probably would have gone on “the lam” I will say I did not rub it in to the Mets fans that I know here, because I almost know exactly how you all felt.

By scott rubin

August 25, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

What happened to the money the Braves saved by renegotiating Chipper’s contract? I was under the impression that this was done so the Braves would have money to sign a free agent???

By scott rubin

August 25, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

Well its over. We had a wonderful 14 years? BC and JS and staff have come to the end of the their road. Its time to clean house!!! Start the real rebuilding now, start with new blood, new ideas, and new energy! I’m not saying that we should gut our payroll like the Marlins did, but we need to take a page from them. THEY TRADED FOR PROSPECTS NOT HASBEENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Simone Mitchell

August 25, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

METS RULE, BRAVES DROOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By jackiebaseball

August 25, 2006 10:06 PM | Link to this

Ok, a quick lesson on MLB to all of you bandwagon Braves fans turned Braves bashers. Professional sports are designed to avoid what the Braves have done the past 14 years. Dynasties are not good for the sport overall, parity is. Braves fans are the ONLY ones who have enjoyed what the Braves have accomplished. Casual fans(like most of you)lose interest when their team isn’t a winner for several years. The past 14 years have been a great ride and a reward for the previous 25 or so that we endured as TRUE Braves fans. JS and BC have done a remarkable job to get the Braves to the post season for 14 years, the players must do the rest. And lets blame Chipper? Come on, the guy took a pay cut to help the team in the off season, and has been a large part of the last 14 years success. Sure he’s a little past his prime, but he’ll still produce a few more good seasons. And for all of you who are too dumb or too young to realize what it was like pre ‘91….Find another team to root for. We’re probably facing a few years of rebuilding. And for the record, I’d rather wait a few years and see the Braves rebuild form within and trade for young talent than to do it like the Marlins or Yankees. Here’s some bye sugar for most of you on this blog poised to jump. Oh no, The Nats just went ahead 6-4! What was that sound? More fair weather fans falling off the wagon? Good riddance…. Go Braves!!!!