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DEL.ICIO.USGlavine happy to help stop Braves’ run
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Jeff Schultz
It has been 18 years since the New York Mets won a division title, a long and inglorious but occasionally amusing stretch that included Bobby Bonilla threatening a beat writer with the line, “I’ll show you the Bronx.”
The Mets came to Atlanta this weekend. It’s difficult to know whether they actually showed the Braves the Bronx, figuratively speaking, because the tour bus seemed half-empty by Friday. First the Braves lost 6-4. Then they lost 11-3. Then they showed up Sunday with a nervous twitch, dropped into a 7-0 hole and settled for a mild pounding, 10-6.
So completed New York’s first series sweep in Atlanta in 21 years.
Nice 1-5 homestand, guys.
If the Mets didn’t show them the Bronx, they at least showed them the end.
“You don’t expect to come in here ever and sweep these guys,” Tom Glavine said. “You don’t expect to turn around the [lack of] success in this building. We’ve been horrible up until this year.”
As long as we’re beating up on holy history, try this: The year New York last won the East Division, in 1988, also was Glavine’s first full season in the majors.
The Mets led the league in wins (100). Glavine led the league in losses (17).
“Things have come full circle, I guess,” said the ex-Brave. “The Braves obviously are not going to win forever. I’m not going to sit here and say they’re not going to win this year, but sooner or later they weren’t going to win their division.
“Obviously, I had a lot of fun being a part of it — and it’ll be all right being a part of a team that stops it.”
The former Brave didn’t get the decision Sunday. He lasted only four innings and remains stuck on 286 career wins. But otherwise, could this season possibly be sweeter? After three mostly miserable years in New York, his career is back on track. His current team has opened a fat division lead. His former team is keeled over in a dark alley.
This wasn’t the same Glavine who started the season 11-2 with a 3.33 ERA. He allowed six runs and 10 hits, and his manager, Willie Randolph, didn’t even allow him to come out for the fifth inning. Suddenly, Glavine has gone seven starts (0-2 with five no decisions) without a win, and his ERA has crept up to 3.97. But bottom line was he had a close-up view this weekend of his present and former teams’ turn in fortunes.
“It’s certainly a game I wanted to win,” he said. “I didn’t, but I’m glad we did.”
Glavine smiled when asked about his 7-17 record in 1988 (the Braves finished 54-106; the Mets 100-60). “Well, things have changed for me and the Mets,” he said. “Hard to believe how long ago that was.”
The 40-year-old is at a curious point in his career. For 2 1/2 seasons, his four-year, $42.5 million contract with the Mets looked like an albatross for the organization. But he re-invented himself after the All-Star break last season, stopped trying to live on the outside corner (and beyond) and had a 2.22 ERA in 15 starts. The Mets restructured his contract in the spring, lowering his salary this season but adding an option year in 2007 ($5.5 million if Glavine triggers it, $12 million if the Mets do, but each option with incentives that could escalate his pay to $14 million).
But it’s not a lock he’ll be back with them. He told MLB.com the other day that he balked at agreeing to the restructuring. “I want to be free,” he said. “I wanted the freedom to evaluate where I was and for my family to express their thoughts. That is important to me.”
Glavine still lives in Alpharetta. But the Braves wouldn’t seem to have a spot in their rotation or the space in the budget to bring him back. Then again, at this point, why not stay with the better team — in New York?
“Our whole focus is to try to win our series and make it difficult for anybody to catch us,” he said.
“Sweeps are hard to come by, but we’re of the mindset right now that we expect to win every series we play, and we’re surprised when we don’t.”
Kind of like the one here used to think.
Back in the day.
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By Jeffrey
July 30, 2006 08:50 PM | Link to this
Well I for one have never held hard feelings toward Glavine. He did pitch us to a World Series championship. I always will admire John Smoltz more because he sacrificed a good bit to stay with the Braves. Hopefully Glavine will win 300 and will wear a Braves cap at his Hall of Fame induction.
By Don
July 30, 2006 09:07 PM | Link to this
Why wouldn’t there be a spot for Glavine next year? How on God’s green earth can the Braves be happy with any starter they have except for Smoltz? Braves’ starters have been terribly inconsistent to not very good. And to say it again, Hudson is stealing money! Adding Glavine wouldn’t likely help alot, but it sure wouldn’t hurt.
By Tomas
July 30, 2006 11:01 PM | Link to this
The Braves need a starting pitcher anyone, thats consistant, the only consistant pitcher this year has been John Smoltz, they could get Erwin Santana, Dontrelle Willis, Brian Moehler, Barry Zito, Mark Redman, Jon Lieber, Greg Maddux, Kip Wells, Rodrigo Lopez, Miguel Batista, Livan Hernandez, Shawn Chacon, Joel Pineiro, Jeff Suppan, or Jason Marquis.
By Peter
July 30, 2006 11:07 PM | Link to this
Glavine’s a d**khead - always has been and probably always will be. Whereas Smoltz shows loyalty, humility, leadership, and class, Glavine is selfish, proud, and aloof. Yes our pitching is horrible, but I for one would rather the Braves lose with the likes of a young Chuck James or Kyle Davies or Horacio Ramirez than to have Glavine back in Atlanta.
By Me
July 30, 2006 11:08 PM | Link to this
Jeff - usually you’re dead on, but I have to question when you say that there won’t be room for Glavine in the rotation.
By Me
July 30, 2006 11:11 PM | Link to this
Then again, I agree with Peter - to hell with Glavine and his smug arrogance.
By Me
July 30, 2006 11:13 PM | Link to this
I wonder if that little raise of the lip Glavine does is a sign that he likes men? I mean, I always thought the guy was a bit of a flamer.
By widmarc Clark
July 30, 2006 11:25 PM | Link to this
Glavine is a quality person he is fond of his memories as a Brave who wouldn’t be the Braves are a quality organization. The Braves can’t win the division forever. The St.louis Browns lost year in year out in the 40’s and 50’s and continued to lose for years after the team moved to Baltimore.
The St.louis Cardinals have had their share of losing down through the years along with the Phillies. The Reds were horrible in the 40’s and 50’s so were the Pirates.
In the last 14 years many quality players have worn a Braves uniform like the Yankees the Braves are a team that is remembered for it’s great players, Eddie Matthews, Warren Spahn, Hank Aaron, Dale Murphy, Lew Burdette, Joe Torre, Joe Adcock, Greg Maddox, Bob Buhl, the Braves ar not a run of the mill team there is Greatness in those uniforms and like the Yankee’s a new owner will buy the team and set out to rebuild it and continue it’s winning ways that the Braves have know since it’s days in Boston. And it’s not a bad team now just look around the league and you’ll see compared to some teams the Braves are doing mighty fine no one gets angry when they get traded to the Braves those players are proud to put on a Braves uniform and when they are traded they hate to leave.
The Braves will always be a Quality Team, and that cannot be said for 50% of the league.
By MET FAN FRED
July 31, 2006 04:38 AM | Link to this
Beltran EAT Braves. Chomp, chomp, chomp. Slurp.
By Emilio
July 31, 2006 06:36 AM | Link to this
I appreciate Glavine’s past contribution to the Braves and don’t blame him for moving on. It’s life and business, and most of us would move in the same mysterious ways! I’ve haven’t jumped on the negative bandwagon this year, but I confess, I’m disappointed. No, not so much with the play, but with players! One fans view at this stage: Let’s start to build for next year NOW! JS make the moves and BC likewise!
The only three players that have lived up to expectations or exceeded them are Renteria, McCann, and Smoltz! Thank God we are slowly, all too slowly getting rid of deadwood like Sosa, and BJ (I love you man, but it’s over). Chipper has been a great player for the Braves (Has been – I’m sorry) – like Frank Robinson he has an old body. I believe because he has never worked it like Julio Franco. Andruw was one of the greatest defensive centerfielders! (Was). Yes, he hits home runs! But, mercy! look at the strikeouts! The boy is overweight and getting sloppy (next will be injuries). Doesn’t run out grounders, sometimes loafs in the outfield. Not my ideal. Bails out on cruve balls like a little leaguer and seldom tries to take the ball to the right side. He could be a 300 hitter if he did! He is my most frustrating Brave! Forget about Giles! I love his grit but hate his swing! I actually believe the pen is going to prove to be good but futile with our starting pitching which needs an infusion (witness the fish!) Bottom-line – stick the fork in us! Shake it up big time and move some big contracts and let’s see what kind of trading JS can really do. Time to move on and build around our Good young players! Go Braves! Next Year! Alas!
By Ronald Fowler
July 31, 2006 06:42 AM | Link to this
I hope Glavine NEVER wins another game!!
By Vinnie Boombotz
July 31, 2006 07:55 AM | Link to this
LOL now you Braves fans can go and put on your Atlanta Falcons jerseys, because baseball season is finally over in the ATL. Don’t forget, I called this sweep.
By Head Coach
July 31, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this
I’m just wondering. Now that the rest of the season is a total wash , what direction does Cox & Schuerholz take this team in ? Another question. assuming Aybar continues to play well in Chippers absence , does Aybar go back to the bench when Chipper comes off the DL ? He is our new leadoff hitter , wouldn’t it make more sense to move Aybar to second and try to trade Giles ?
By Zippy
July 31, 2006 08:42 AM | Link to this
A Met fan, ROFL. The Braves thought the Mets were still looking over their shoulders for the Braves? They’ll need a good telescope now to find Atlanta! Tomahawk THIS, baby!
By Nails
July 31, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this
Congrats to Glavine! He went to NY and endured many seasons of misery. Now he finds himself on the best team in the NL and heading for the playoffs. I hope that he wins another WS ring.
The Braves’ run has finally come to an end. It’s really a shame that they only managed to get one Title with all that talent. I get the feeling the players will regret this more and more as the Braves continue to fall from grace.
By Matt
July 31, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this
I think it’s a shame that Glavine lacked the loyalty to stay with the team with which built his career. I hope he stays at 286 wins.
As for the Mets fans gloating, I think its a joke. You bought your team, plain and simple. And in two years you’ll be in the cellar again.
By aj
July 31, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this
why would we want glavine again? he’s the biggest sellout piece of junk player in the majors. i cringe every time i see his face and think about how he stiffed us 3 years ago or whatever. F HIM.
By Fulton
July 31, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this
Children, children, children…(or, Matt & Ronald) Will you Braves fans grow up and realize this is a BUSINESS and Glavine made a ‘business decision’ so get over it. You fans talk about loyalty? Sell out a home game, will ya? As far as I’m concerned, Atlanta had 14 years to get it right and they’ve blown it 13 times!! Who’s fault is that? It’s time for someone else to step up and take a shot and the Mets will gladly do so. In the mean-time, Braves fans worry about YOUR team, not what NY is doing!! C-ya next year!!!!
By Fulton
July 31, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this
Children, children, children…(or, Matt, Peter & Ronald) Will you Braves fans grow up and realize this is a BUSINESS and Glavine made a ‘business decision’ so get over it. You fans talk about loyalty? Sell out a home game, will ya? As far as I’m concerned, Atlanta had 14 years to get it right and they’ve blown it 13 times!! Who’s fault is that? It’s time for someone else to step up and take a shot and the Mets will gladly do so. In the mean-time, Braves fans worry about YOUR team, not what NY is doing!! C-ya next year!!!!
By bud
July 31, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this
Glavine the player-rep annoys me…not because he ruthlessly defends against a salary cap, but because the owners just don’t have the power to bend him and Donald Fehr and Marvin Miller over a barrel and force them to accomodate a salary cap that would prevent this absurd state of affairs. We’ve got players on individual teams (Pay-Rod) that have a higher annual salary than entire teams (Brewers).
If baseball is to be saved from being completely overtaken by Football, Basketball, Nascar, Etc, Etc, Etc the Players Association needs to be seriously weakened.
By drummerdad
July 31, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this
Bringing Glavine back would be the equivalent of running home to mama when times get rough. might feel good initially, but when a 41 year old guy starts throwing batting practice in clutch situations all the good feelings will be gone. he strikes me as rather mercenary and very supple in the hands of the players union. when he wanted to stay in Atlanta after agreeing to go to NY, they leaned on him and he left. AND, wasn’t he Atlanta’s player rep the year that the union decided that killing the season and the World Series was what was best for baseball? And, wasn’t he the union’s head player rep a few years ago when they almost did the same thing again? I think there’s a possibility he’ll be looking for a new team next year.
By Ronald
July 31, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this
We couldn’t keep Glavine. We couldn’t keep Maddux. However, it was so imperative that we lock up Tim Hudson with a long-term contract. Would someone please explain that one to me?
By Barry
July 31, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this
As for the Mets fans gloating…that is a joke, but not because they “bought” their team. They have always been losers. This year they are winning only because the Braves are not the team they were. Period. The Miracle Mets are just that…a miracle this year. Next year they will go right back to what they’ve always been. They may even fold this year, if their history is any indication.
By jazzsmith
July 31, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this
It has always mystified me that the Braves put so much stock in winning what has always been a weak division, year after year. When the post season comes, they look like they’re ready to hit the golf course. I’ve never seen a team so eager to smile and get it over with once October comes to town. Maybe not rubber stamping another division championship will give them something to think about over that long winter.
By TOM
July 31, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this
Hey Vinne,
Forgive us for not believing your prediction, we sort of have heard it about 14 straight years…Even god took a break on the seventh day, the braves just took one on the 15th year….
By TOM
July 31, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this
Hey Vinne,
Forgive us for not believing your prediction, we sort of have heard it about 14 straight years…Even god took a break on the seventh day, the braves just took one on the 15th year….
By cmk
July 31, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Everyone on here always talks about the Mets history of folding. I’m no Mets fan, but when did this happen? They haven’t been ahead in a pennant race in many years, and when they last were (in ‘86 and ‘88), they won. They also haven’t bought this team anymore than any other teams buy their teams. Their payroll actually shrunk this year. I think they have a pretty good mix of free agents and homegrown, young talent. It’s fine to get annoyed at the Met posters on this blog and to dislike the team, but you have to at least give the team a little credit for putting together a very good team this year.
By TrueBlueBravesFan
July 31, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
Pardon me for not giving the Mets credit. Lets look at their team and how they got.
Carlos Beltran - Outbid everyone else for him Pedro Martinez - Outbid everyone else for him Tom Glavine - Outbid everyone else for him Carlose Delgado - Took his Salary from Fla because they couldn’t afford him Paul Lo Duca - See above on Carlos Billy Wagner - Outbid everyone else for him Cliff Floyd - Outbid everyone else for him 3 years ago.
I don’t want to hear how smart or whatever this team is and how reasonable their. 100 million dollar payroll is. When you compare it to the Brave 80 million payroll that includes Mike Hampton there is no comparison. It doesn’t take a baseball genius to buy expensive talent. And its obvious that the Mets have to do it to keep up with rediculus Steinbrenner.
This sport is broken and I’m about ready to boycott it until they get their economic house in order.
By Jimbo
July 31, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this
Hell no to Glavine. He can keep on trucking.
By cmk
July 31, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this
The sport is also about to break another record for largest attendance in a season. The game is in better shape than it’s been in a long time. Are you saying the Braves didn’t have anyone comparable to Mike Jacobs and the minor league pitcher the Mets gave up to get Delgado? The same with LoDuca. You can say anything you want about the payroll - the Mets improved their team this year and decreased their payroll. They have the fourth-highest payroll and the third best record. I don’t know where the Braves stand payroll-wise, but it is certainly much higher than their record (which is better than just seven major league teams) would indicate. And your payroll argument looks even sillier when you consider the Marlins. Of course the Braves could be better if they had another $20 million to spend - my only point is it doesn’t make any sense to rip the Mets for signing quality players when they have the opportunity to - their payroll is almost exactly half that of the Yankees.
By TrueBlueBravesFan
July 31, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this
My point is payroll should be an even playing field. And I would feel that way even if the Braves had the resources to even be in the top 5 of Payroll(Which they don’t).
You argument about attendance is absurd. That doesn’t forgive a broken econmomic system. It just shows that Baseballs is still America’s pasttime. I guarantee you that if you poll the majority of people in this country they would ask for 2 things in the sport to change. 1 that the sport clean itself of performance enhancing drugs and that the payroll and economic system in baseball to get fixed with a hard salary cap. This absurd salary TAX is absurd and does nothing to A. Deter the highest spending teams and B. Make the lower spending teams do more to be competitive.
Don’t count the Marlins as a team to hold up as an example because for every Marlins theres a Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Milwaulkee, Washington, etc, etc.
This ship is broken and the only ones who don’t see it are the ones that have the money to buy the blinders.
By Jorge
July 31, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this
Mets still sucks! I guess they are just feeling what the Braves felt in the last 14 years so let’s cut them some slack ;)
I still believe that Braves can win the WC this year. The future still looks good, Mc Cann, Francour, Davies, HoRam. If JS and BC could just work their magic again this winter and plug the holes in our lineup. (JS wasn’t able to plug the bullpen/closer problem last winter) i believe that anything can happen next year. Last hurrah for JS and BC!
By cmk
July 31, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this
A soft cap would be alright, so that teams have the ability to go over to keep their own guys that they want to hold on to. But I hate the hard cap of the NFL - so much more turnover than even what you get in baseball. Teams go from last to first to last all the time. I guess that’s what some people want, but I’d rather see some continuity over time. I totally agree about lower payroll teams needing a minimum for low payrolls - in fact, there are markets that probably shouldn’t even be in baseball because they simply aren’t competetive with the large markets. But just because of them, I don’t think you should kneecap the Bostons, New Yorks, Chicagos, and yes, the Atlantas. Atlanta, last I checked, was no podunk town. If an owner doesn’t want to fork over the money to improve a team, they shouldn’t be in the game.
By Rick
July 31, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this
It was tough to watch the Braves get swept by the Mets, no question about that. But it wasn’t any worse than watching them get swept by the Marlins. This Braves team just isn’t very strong — the starting pitching is suspect, the bullpen is suspect, and even strong bats have trouble overcoming the kind of holes the Braves have dug for themselves lately. I do think this team is better than they are playing, and I also think they still have a chance at the wildcard. The question is, do they want it badly enough? It’s hard to tell.
By TrueBlueBravesFan
July 31, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this
I wouldn’t mind a soft cap as long as it had a reasonable ceiling say 100 million. But something has to be done to stop the Steinbrenners and Red Sox of the world from buying anything they have an itch for. I really don’t want to put the Red Sox in that list because they really aren’t as bad because they’re just trying to keep up with Stenbrenner.
But Steinbrenner so skews the pendulem that it has a spillover effect on other teams.
For example. Don’t forget that indirectly the Big Teams overpaying for talent also effects smaller teams existing rosters because of that awfull beast called binding arbirtration. When the big teams over pay for a type of talent it impacts the lower revenue teams by either making them pay more for marginal talent or forcing them to let go of talent they would otherwise try and keep due to the bill they will have to pay in arbitration.
Geesh what a joke this system is.
By D
July 31, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this
Imagine if the Braves were in third place of the NL East, but only 6.5 out. How easy would it be to gain ground on the East leader if the second and first place teams ahead of them played each other almost every day, but the Braves could only mainly play teams either behind them in the NL east standings or from the NL Central or West? Very hard. The teams in first and second would probably do a lot of swapping places, but the Braves would remain in third unless they swept quite a few series or one of the teams in front of them got swept more times than they swept the other team. This is the position the Braves find themselves in, but even worse, because instead of 2 teams being in front of them, there are 8 teams in front of them and only the Phillies presenting with significant numbers of head-to-head matchups.
By cmk
July 31, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Fine, True Blue. Take your $100 mill cap - that’s just about where the Mets are. And when big market teams overpay (with the exception of the Yankees, and even that is starting to change), they get burned if the player doesn’t perform and it hamstrings what else they can do. How else do you explain the Mets since 2001 or many recent Dodger and Cub teams? Baseball is not in such terrible shape - it certainly needs some changes, but it has never been more popular. Granted, it’s never going to be the NFL (and neither will anything else), but it is leaps and bounds ahead of the NBA or any other professional sport.
By drummerdad
July 31, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this
ESPN is saying that the Braves are fixing to trade Andruw for Coco and some others. hard pill to swallow, but it’s better than dealing with Scott Boras later…
By TrueBlueBravesFan
July 31, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this
100 mill would be a soft cap number meaning they couldn’t pay that for free agent signings only for existing roster spot. A that would create a little bit of a problem for your mets since most of your payroll came from Free-Agents. You’d have to do it through sign-and-trades which means you’d have to give something of value back.
That’s a scenario for spending more than I can endorse so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
By TrueBlueBravesFan
July 31, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this
The actual Free agent # would be around 80-90 million with 100 million soft cap ceiling.
By the way cmk alias (Mets Troll) so much for your earlier assertion that you weren’t a Mets fan.
You must be desperate for attention to troll a braves blog
By Burdell's Brother
July 31, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this
Payback, Braves over Mets in NLCS!
By JR2005A
July 31, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this
It never ceases to amaze me to read the negative comments towards Glavine. I wonder how many Braves fans who hold bad feelings towards him for his part in the strike of ‘94 would be willing to give up all of their 1995 World Series Champions memorabilia since it was Glavine’s masterful pitching performance in Game 6 of the ‘95 Series, along with Justice’s Home Run that gave the city of Atlanta its ONLY World Series Title.
Short memories, these fans!!
By Andy
July 31, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this
All good points guys about the salery cap and all—look at the twins however against white sox and tigers—the twins have a low salery and can really play—-it takes more thought and tougher choices but the twins are a marvel—same as the braves being able to win with money as tight as it is. The marlins look like the 91 braves—their starters are amazing—-they have amazing stuff. I don’t care what the mets spend this easily could be a one and done for them (I am not saying it is) but I don’t think anyone will be able to compete with the fishs starters—and what if they add payroll? At 15 million for the whole team right now—god only knows if they spend 60 million what they could do. I feel like the fish are the future for a while. I am a big braves fan—but the braves don’t have any pitchers like they do(I mean young great/amazing stuff—-just learn how to pitch and then its lights out) all we got is smotlz, really. Sad.
By scott
July 31, 2006 06:51 PM | Link to this
Forget tommy! Bring back Leo Mazzone!
By Mark
July 31, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this
Congrats Mets fans, I guess you have won your one division title every 18 years. Hey, it’s better than Haley’s Comet!!!…and it only took a $115 million payroll to do it.
By True Braves Fan
July 31, 2006 07:28 PM | Link to this
The only satisfaction I got out of the Mets series this weekend was that Tommy “MR UNION $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ GLAVINE” did not pick up the win on sunday!!!!!!!!!!!!Give him Fehr’s job…
By hop
July 31, 2006 11:52 PM | Link to this
atlanta fans welcome to reality!
the new york owned atlanta braves about to be denver owed atlanta braves will continue to cut payroll with a kansas city royal’s type of mentality!
say goodbye to being a contender as the braves continue to trade and mortgage the future. the benemit trade is case in point and now they are looking to trading the best center fielder in all of baseball.
the farm system is way overated, just look at the marlins, we are way behind them in developing talent especially pitchers.
the marlins have four rookie pitchers who are doing quite well while braves starters are getting destroyed!
it’s back to college football and maybe falcons for the braves are through for some time to come!
By hop
July 31, 2006 11:53 PM | Link to this
atlanta fans welcome to reality!
the new york owned atlanta braves about to be denver owed atlanta braves will continue to cut payroll with a kansas city royal’s type of mentality!
say goodbye to being a contender as the braves continue to trade and mortgage the future. the benemit trade is case in point and now they are looking to trading the best center fielder in all of baseball.
the farm system is way overated, just look at the marlins, we are way behind them in developing talent especially pitchers.
the marlins have four rookie pitchers who are doing quite well while braves starters are getting destroyed!
it’s back to college football and maybe falcons for the braves are through for some time to come!
By Todd A
August 1, 2006 12:06 AM | Link to this
Will someone please wake me when football season starts?