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DEL.ICIO.USChipper not appreciated enough
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Terence Moore
Something keeps occurring to me while watching the Braves: We’re taking Chipper Jones for granted. Then again, Billy Williams was Jones. Season after season, the slugger for the Chicago Cubs not named Ernie Banks would become quietly spectacular before he would retreat to the shadows of the Wrigley ivy.
The next thing you knew, Williams was glowing in the sunshine of Cooperstown with a bronzed plaque.
Larry and Lynne Jones nearly wept on Saturday at Turner Field after hearing my Williams analogy. They are the parents of baseball’s most unappreciated player of consistent goodness along the way to ultimate greatness. When I visited their suite and asked them whether they thought their son would reach the Hall of Fame someday, the mother closed her eyes tightly before crossing her fingers.
The father tried to speak, but a lump in his throat kept getting in the way. “It’s hard to believe that my son, from Pierson, Fla., with one caution light and a convenience store, would even be considered for the Hall of Fame,” said Larry Jones, Chipper’s high school coach, talking and blinking. “Just to make it here [pointing toward the field, where Chipper stood at third base for the Braves] for that matter, but to be considered for the Hall of Fame, it’s unbelievable. Unbelievable.”
Actually, it’s believable. You just haven’t been paying attention. Few have, and given his swagger of a gunslinger preparing for high noon in the Old West, Jones couldn’t care less what you think — especially if you don’t have a tomahawk across your chest. We’re talking about a guy who prefers to stay so deep in the shadows that he told his agent six years ago to drop his endorsements to zero. His selflessness caused him to agree to the second-worst move in the history of Georgia sports (topped only by D.J. Shockley’s decision to spend four years as a backup quarterback at UGA) when he spent those 2 1/2 years in left field.
Now, with Jones in the midst of his second full season back at third, and with the assumption he’ll stay healthy for more than a little while, he’ll score 100 times again, and he’ll collect that many RBIs again. He’ll also slam more than 30 home runs while hitting over .300 again.
He’ll also get overlooked again when compared to those others that you always hear about each season.
“My name doesn’t have to be right beside A-Rod, Jeter, Pujols or some of the other elite players in the game, and that’s OK,” said Jones, softly, forming one of his famously crooked smiles at his cubicle. “I know that when I’m done playing, my numbers and my consistency will speak for themselves.
“You know, I’m the No. 3 hitter for one of the best teams in baseball over the last 14 or 15 years. So I know that when I walk out on the field that, in a clutch situation, that pitcher and those players on the other side don’t want to have to get me out. That’s the kind of respect I’ve tried to gain throughout my career, and that’s a compliment enough for me.”
Well, that, and this: David Justice was the Braves’ undisputed leader for the longest stretch, but just before he was traded after the 1996 season, he told me, “This is Chipper’s team now.” Justice even spent his last year with the Braves grooming Jones to become his successor. Even so, it wasn’t until two springs ago that Jones confessed that one of his primary goals now that he was leaving his early 30s was to become the leader that Justice wanted him to be.
Mission accomplished. Rarely does a conversation reach a few minutes with Jeff Francoeur, Adam LaRoche and Ryan Langerhans before you hear a reference to Jones as a constant and effective mentor to the young Braves.
That other stuff doesn’t hurt Jones’ messages around the Braves clubhouse, either. Stuff such as Jones ranking as the only switch-hitter ever to collect more than 300 home runs and hit over. 300. Not even his idol, Mickey Mantle, did that. Jones also entered this season with more game-winning RBIs than anybody in the majors since 1995. Plus, his brilliance wasn’t so hidden not to be named the National League’s MVP in 1999, while finishing in the top 10 four other times.
Said Lynne Jones, an accomplished equestrian who trains and boards horses on their ranch in southwest Texas, “He has such a respect for the game, and I hope that the game has respect for him when he gets finished playing.”
It did for Billy Williams, and Chipper Jones is Billy Williams.
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By DHD
June 3, 2006 08:27 PM | Link to this
See, Terrance, you can write a good column every once in a while. Nice job.
By Paul Hamilton
June 3, 2006 09:01 PM | Link to this
If Chipper can put up .300 30 and 100 for another 3 or 4 years I would say he might make the hall of fame. Let me clarify my statement, because I know some of you will go crazy. Chipper is a great player, but if you compare his numbers with the rest of the third basemen, he really doesnt stack up well with those guys at least at this point. He does have his consistency, MVP, and his time played on a team that has been pretty damn good for the last 14 years. The things that hurt him are his average defense, injuries in the latter part of his career, and the fact that there are only 13 third basemen in the hall of fame. Chipper just doesnt stack up, quite yet, to Mike Schmidt, Eddie Matthews, Brooks Robinson, etc. That is pretty elite company and I think it will be tough for Chipper to get in, even if he produces his .300 30 and 100 numbers. I think he is close to being a hall of famer though and I won’t bet against him.
By BirdDawg
June 3, 2006 09:50 PM | Link to this
Terence Moore, you are an idiot of epic proportions.
I can guarantee you that every man woman and child in the Dawg Nation appreciates DJ Shockley for everything he ever did, and am glad that he decided to make such a “momentous mistake.”
You are pure trash, Moore.
You’re a race-card playing reverse racist of the worst kind.
And you and your ilk wonder why your fish-wrapper of a newspaper loses subscription after subscription, week after week?
I would have thought it would be apparent to such “educated” people such as yourself.
Whether it’s your ridiculous columns, Mark Bradley and the rest of you giving Bobby Cox a free pass, or Cynthia Tucker and the rest of the “journalists” at this paper, I hope you all keep on losing subscribers.
Unfortunately, this fish wrapper is the only game in town, so two-bit hacks such as yourself will remain employed.
How unfortunate for the rest of us.
Moron.
By Sondra
June 3, 2006 09:54 PM | Link to this
I am first a senior,handdcapped/disabled who has a medical condition with my hands(not my brains) and want to apologize up front for any errors or what have you.Ive never done this before and depending on HOW well the Braves do in the next 2 weeks may never do this again. Right now I have the Tigers/RSox game on because I’m tired of watching and listening to Skip narrate(if you want to call it that)I have been a Braves fan for quite a few years and I’m sure NOONE EVER THOUGHT TO LOOK AT THE STATS AND SEE WHO IS EITHER ON TV OR RADIO DURING 85% of the Braves losses in the last 4 years????When you find out, think about it and seriuosly consider that A NEGATIVE VOICE OR A VOICE THAT CONCENTRATES ON THAT OPPOSSING TEAM AND HOW WELL THEY WIN THEIR GAMES just might,just might cause that negative ripple to cause lossess for our team.NO I’m not crazy.I know that the man dosen’t pitch or hit or manage BUT I’VE PAID CLOSE ATTENTION BECAUE I KEEP SCORE OF THE GAMES AND GUESS WHO’S NAME IS MOST ASSOCIATED WITH THE BRAVES LOSSES.Idon’t mean the man any harm(I love his son Chip)but in conjunction to ALL THE REST OF THE STUFF(Braves offense not producing,Pitchers not being effective,Bobby doing some strange things at times when we should have won,ALL OF THAT!I AGREE WITH MOST EVERY THINGE YOU FOLKS SAY.Butyou really REALLY should take alooksee and I’ll apologize to everyone if you find after your search that I’m wrong!!I’m no FLAKE.JUST CONSIDER IT???????
By Sondra
June 3, 2006 10:25 PM | Link to this
To Moron I think you were very disrespectful to Terence Moore.Just as you have in the past,He was writing about What HE thought in regards to Chipper. Chip is a Great Ball player and I see nothing wrong in the article.YOUR OPINION IS YOURS JUST AS HIS OPINION IS HIS.It wasn’t necessary for anyone to go off on a tangent as you did.Still FREE SPEECH COUNTRY WE LIVE IN.Let the man have his say!!!!!!!!
By Brian, Sandy Springs
June 3, 2006 10:46 PM | Link to this
Well stated, Terrance! I believe the current Braves have Hall of Famers in: Chipper Jones, Andruw Jones, Bobby Cox and John Smoltz…and don’t forget about JS!
By steve
June 3, 2006 11:08 PM | Link to this
I usually feel Terence has racial undertones in a lot of his columns, but in this one I believe the gentlemen believes what he has written. I for one can in no way see the race card in this. Why in the world do people continue with the race issue here. This is about baseball and a player named Chipper Jones. As for agreeing or disagreeing with the column feel free to comment. I do not believe Chipper is hall material. The question I usually have is,is he ALL-STAR material? I may not agree with Terence’s assessment on Chipper but I respect his opinion. Come on moron were is the race in it?
By jamie
June 3, 2006 11:13 PM | Link to this
I think BirdDawg is just mad because most of this article was written above his reading level, and the only thing he could get out of the article was some reference to D.J. Shockley. I hope Chipper maskes the hall of fame, and 3 or 4 more 30 HR seasons would put Chipper at or around 500 HR’s along with over a .300 lifetime BA, which would increase his likeliness of being elected in the hall.
By steve
June 3, 2006 11:16 PM | Link to this
By the way, I am a Bulldog fan and I am glad Shockley stayed at Georgia. Do I think it was the right decision for Shockley? I don’t know and we never know. Do I think he could have started somewhere else for 2-3 years, yes. He may have done the right thing for himself by what he learned in the system of UGA. It may benefit him in his life. On the other hand he could have gained experience and exposure as a starter somewhere else. You may never know which would have been the best, but I believe he is glad he stayed at UGA. No regretts
By Head Coach
June 3, 2006 11:43 PM | Link to this
Terrance , I love to watch Chipper play too. He is the finest 3B we have had since Bob Horner. But , like Bob Horner his career is in slow decline. Chipper has bad wheels and we both know it , his power stroke has diminished to the point that he is a gap hitter with little power. He can still hit as his current .300 average will attest but he is not even close to any hall of fame consideration. JS has Betemit as Chippers understudy because he understands that Chipper is one more major leg injury away from retirement. I wish and hope that Chipper stays healthy , but if he were a stock up for sale I sure as hell would take my money elsewhere.
By Margaret
June 3, 2006 11:44 PM | Link to this
Thank you, Mr Moore. This is an article that I genuinely enjoyed reading. The honesty of your intent shines through. Well done!
By Sheila Broslovski
June 4, 2006 12:38 AM | Link to this
First of all, apparently Terence Moore has never heard of Pete Babcock, or else he would be able to compile a Hawks-only list of the worst moves in Atlanta sports history. Having said that, obviously from Shockley’s point of view transferring to another school would have been a no-brainer in hindsight, since he would have got to play and probably would have been drafted much higher than the 7th round. Dawg fans, take your blinders off and look at it from someone else’s point of view for a change.
I would love to see Chipper make the Hall, I think even a lot of Braves fans don’t realize how great of a player he has been through his career. But in the end I think he will fall short, because a) as consistent as he has been, he has never created the impression of being a clutch player, and b) you can’t definitely say he was the best at his position for a significant period of time in his career. I still think he is one of the top 5 switch-hitters ever, and he should make it, but it’s the voters’ opinions that matter, not mine or yours unfortunately.
By Brandy
June 4, 2006 01:04 AM | Link to this
I completely and totally agree with Mr. Moore. But i am hoping that this doesnt signal the end of an Era for Chipper. I’ve grown up with Chipper, Andruw, and Smoltz, and it is going to be a sad sad day when they leave the game. They are all Hall of Famers in my book…..Go Braves!! We’re trying to keep the drive alive!! I think yall should ask yourselves a question…..Do you Believe? I DO!! Go Braves
By BirdDawg
June 4, 2006 01:42 AM | Link to this
I may be 45 year’s old, Kyle’s Mom, but I’ve seen your movie.
If I remember, you were the blowhard who was put in her place by a foul - mouthed, 8 year - old fat kid.
The fact remains is that Terence Moore believes he can speak for Shock, probably because he too is black, and that the love and adoration that Shock has in the eyes of Dawg Nation isn’t worth anything to a race - baiting SOB like Moore.
But I guarantee you it is worth something to Shock.
As for Chipper, he doesn’t have the numbers. Less than 500 homers and barely adequate defense at the hot corner does not a HOFer make.
He’s stable. He’s reliable. He’s Howard Johnson, Terence Moore. And HoJo is not a HOFer.
He’s more Billy Dee Williams than Billy Williams.
By Brady
June 4, 2006 03:15 AM | Link to this
chipper needs 2 hit second or sixth with his weak a* singles…..any1 can get a base hit in the bigs it takes a player 2 get in the runs….replace him with betemit and we’ll be winning these close games
By Colt 45...It Works Every Time
June 4, 2006 03:44 AM | Link to this
howard johnson hit .249 in his career, you moron. compare him to someone else who ain’t gonna come within hide or hair of the hall if you want your digs to have any coherence.
By Kevin
June 4, 2006 06:27 AM | Link to this
Chipper in Hall of Fame he only belongs in turner field hall of fame like dale Murphy….Hall of Fame u kiddin Me!
By EG
June 4, 2006 06:44 AM | Link to this
Some of my friends down in Macon told me over 10 years ago about this kid on the Macon Braves that was fast as lightning, could hit a consistant .300 with power from both sides, field his position like a gold glover and stayed focused on his game while he was there in Macon. I asked my friend if he was talking about Mantle’s ghost because of the way he discribed him to me. He just told me to take a look at his numbers in the Macon Telegraph and I did. I worked down at WRAFB at that time. He got his chance at the big leagues in ‘94 but while running out a routine grounder to first he tore up his knee when his foot hit the bag. We all got a chance the next year when this kid bailed us out in Colorado in the first two games of the Division Series that year. If he hadn’t the Braves would probably have lost that series to a group of sluggers on a bat heavy Rockies team managed by Don Baylor. He’ll make it to the HOF.
By Charles
June 4, 2006 07:02 AM | Link to this
Who cares? Chipper makes HOW much each season. Solid player, nothing that great.
By KneeJerk
June 4, 2006 07:21 AM | Link to this
Chipper has aged faster than Roberto Alomar. He will never hit 40 HR again. A good season for him now is 300-25-90. Good numbers, not HOF material.
By raymond
June 4, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this
Going to the Hall? You have to be kidding. Chipper is nothing more than a financial burden to the Braves who has done nothing close to earning his pay in three years. He stays hurt and I question his desire to win. The only Jones who is going to the Hall is in centerfield.
By TD
June 4, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this
Instead of just spouting off the first thing that comes to mind, if you take a close look at his numbers, CJ does appear to headed to the HOF. I try to rely on the information contained in baseball-reference.com which, at least contains some comparative analysis about who is in the HOF and who isn’t.
By p
June 4, 2006 08:30 AM | Link to this
chipper maybe and AJ no. unfortuneatly for AJ a 260 lifetime average won’r cut it.
so when are the bravesgoing to fire HOF mansger bobby cox? when they are 30 out?
By Paultb
June 4, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this
If you are going to give Larry Jones the credit for this team then he must also share some of the lackings.
The unemotional, business as usual lethargy that besets the Braves in the post season is a reflection on him. It is when he is absent that the others such as Andruw step up and the energy level seems to increase.
And rookies and hitting coaches and new players (expecially pitchers who only spend limited time in the dugout) simply cannot overcome the dead, unemotional attitude that he symbolizes. (Is it a surprise that he is buddies with LaRoche?)
So long as Chipper is the senior member of this squad it will always be plagued by lack of enthusiam.
And that same attitude is returned to him when by many many fans when you ask us to get excited about his numbers.
By Swami
June 4, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this
With his declining numbers and the Braves’ roster in need of an overhaul, I do not believe Chipper Jones’ will end up in the Hall of Fame.
By Matthew
June 4, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this
I think that when everything is said and done, Chipper will end up in the HOF. Definitley not first ballot, just because he didn’t play in Chicago, Los Angeles, or (ug, perish the thought) New York. But there are going to be plenty of sportswriters who will look and see what he did to those New York teams and give him a boost for the Hall. Also, I would figure that out of this set of players who have been in this run, we’ll see Tom Glavine go in as a Brave, as well as Greg Maddux (although the Cubs would have a strong case to be that team). Smoltz will get in if gets to 200 wins, maybe 250. Bobby Cox has already punched his ticket, and I would suspect that if Andruw keeps hitting like he has now for about another 10 years, he’ll make it as well.
By kph
June 4, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this
Shiela, You stated that Chipper had never created the impression of being a clutch player? Did you notice that Terrance said he had more game winning RBI,s than any other player in the majors over the past eleven years? TAHT IS CLUTCH MY FRIEND! Chipper belongs in the hall he is the most consistent player on the most consistent team ever in the game! Fourteen years in a row and without him it wouldnt have happened.
By JD
June 4, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this
Chipper needs to play 3 more seasons, keep his lifetime BA above .300, get to 400 HR, and preferably get to 1400 RBIs - if he does, I’d say he is in. He has been the representative, everyday player on one of the best teams in the game for the last 10 years. He has kept his nose clean and by all accounts is good with the media (read voters). Probably not first ballot, but possibly 2nd or 3rd - especially in a down year. Not to mention there aren’t many (any?) 3rd baseman who have better numbers during his era.
As for the HoJo comparison - huh?? Lifetime .249 and only 5 years with more than 20 HR - nice work..
Try someone like Mark Grace (.303/173 HR/1146 RBI in 16 seasons) as a contemporary and you might understand that Chipper has been MORE than a ‘nice’ player.
One more thing for those who think Chipper is not close to HOF material - how about this guy: BA .293; 536 HR; 1536 RBI; 178 SB; Great defensive CF; 17 seasons??
Griffey Jr. is a slam dunk - Chipper will surely merit strong consideration.
By Joe Roman
June 4, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this
The greatest players who ever played the game would have been ‘underappreciated’ if they played for the Braves. Between the Vent and the various blogs of the various columnists, the incredible level of nastiness and negativity of a considerable element of the Braves’ audience is like a cancer. While I want to believe these insufferable people are a minority, they do much to poison the atmopsphere around the most successful teams of the past two-and-a half decades. It is so sad.
By kph
June 4, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this
Amen Joe Roman, It is obvious that the people you are speaking of were not in Atlanta when the Braves were horrible. I as a Braves fan since 1966 am thrilled with thier accomplishments over the past 15 years. I know it is going to end some day but it has been GREAT TO BE A BRAVES FAN FOR A LONG TIME NOW!!!
By pam jordan
June 4, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this
My daughter who is 6 yrs old has loved Chipper since she was 9 mos old,I love the braves and always watch them. I really think Chipper should have his day. I would love to meet him on that day so that my daughter can really get to meet her idol. Pam Jordan.
By KPH
June 4, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this
BirdDawg, How can you compare Chipper to HoJo? do some research on thier stats before you do something like that. It makes you look like the dullest tool in the shead. If you are going to use DAWG in your blog name get the facts straight or the BULLDAWG NATION will pull your name rights away.
By Gene
June 4, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this
Two years ago, I had seats at Turner Field right behind the Braves dugout. People would walk up to the rail and take photos of players. Chipper refused to look up or smile, even if children wanted to take his photo. He was the only player who behaved in that way. I hope that Chipper never makes it to the Hall of Fame. He is arrogant and lazy. Remember the error in the playoff in Houston when he pulled up on a foul he could have easily caught? He is clearly jealous of Francour, who has become the fans’ poster child. Chipper can hit, but he seems to injure himself swinging the bat. How long has it been since he played a complete season? If he were traded in the NL, he would come back and murder the Braves with his hitting, but I think the Braves would be a better team without him.
By Lew
June 4, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this
I think the Billy Williams analogy is a good one. The injuries the past two years are going to hurt Chipper’s chances. The comparison to other third basemen is somewhat valid. Brooks was the best fielding 3B ever. He couldn’t hitin the HOF category, however, and went in because of his glove. To the person who mentioned Eddie Murray, I seem to remember he played first? Schmidt was in a category by himself as a power hitter, but Chipper is considerably better with average. He should be close to .300 lifetime. He will eventually hit over 400HR, which before the steroid era would have been enough (just ask Dale Murphy), but with the injury thing, 500, which would be a lock, is doubtful. Three or four more 25-30 HR seasons with an average of 100RBI should be enough to get him elected. Keep in mind that the writers who vote for the Hall can be a bunch of total IDIOTS, so who knows? Let the fans have a vote. I’ve already watched or attended over 100 games this year. I know as much as most sports writers-maybe more. Also, cut the racial comments people, they are unnecessary.
By Lew
June 4, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this
To Gene- If you want Chipper’s autograph or picture, go to Spring Training when the players don’t have the games on thier mind as much. I have seen Chipper get an ovation for signing over 75 autographs. He has signed a ball a bat and three other items for me. The only time he didn’t sign was when his son was in the hospital this spring. He just isn’t as emotionally demonstrative. This is not a character flaw. All I know of you is the email and I don’t like you.
By Chipper_Choker
June 4, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this
Chipper in the HOF? No way. This guy has put up good numbers through his career but is the biggest playoff choker of all time. For a HOF borderline guy like Chipper, the playoff contributions- or lack therof here- are what puts him in or out. Chipper does not go.
By CJ the unknowing one
June 4, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this
First off, let me say that birdawg is the biggest idiot in here. Dude, you need to shut up.
How many straight division titles do the Braves have? And some of you are calling for a complete overhaul of the lineup. Sure thing. The young core we have is just horrible, right? McCann, Francouer, Langy, Betemit, Andruw and Diaz are NOTHING to build around? Give me a break. Fairweather fans. Go pull for some other team.
Chipper is businesslike, that’s for sure. But that was the attitude of the team he came up on. Winning baseball games is what the Braves have been about for a long time. Chipper does everything he can to help the team win. Do you think he’s playing for the HOF? No, he’s playing to win. He is not over the hill or a detriment to the team. Moore is right.
Finally, let me reiterate that Birdawg is an idiot.
By Matt T
June 4, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this
I am 24 and have grown up with the Braves on TBS even when I didn’t live in Atlanta.
Chipper Jones is my favorite Brave. This is a guy who has done everything the team has asked for him. He played left to help the team.
He offered to restructure his contract for many years before they finally did it so they could go after additional players.
His numbers are great, but he brings more than just numbers.
It will be a sad day when he retires or leaves Atlanta
By ronald
June 4, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this
If he even wants to be remembered he needs to quit now before he goes out like Dale Murphy. He is on the verge of doing just that.
By BirdDawg
June 4, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
CJ, your name is very appropriate, “the unknowing one.”
The Braves are about “winning baseball,” huh?
How about, the Braves are about “almost winning baseball.”
Or the Braves are about beating up on bad team in the regular season and choking in October.
That is Bobby Cox’s and Chipper Jones’ modus operendi.
By nathan
June 4, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this
1ST of all…..JD, one of the criteria for HOF consideration is that you dominant or the best, or at least one of the best at your position for the better part of a decade (yount, molitor, puckett, brett, etc…not even getting into pitchers). So in that regard Griffey Jr. is a lock, because there is no question what so ever that he was THE BEST CF for most of the 90’s when healthy, and possibly - along with andruw - one of the best ever. Chippers only saving grace, kind of like Eddie Murray, is that he is a switch hitter. That will help him I believe. He’ll be close to getting in, but like Dale Murphy, I think his votes will continue to decline each year of eligibility. Unless he puts up some monster numbers in the next 3 to 4 years, and I don’t see that happening.
As for whether he is helping the team right now? I don’t know. I agree he should be either a number 2 or 5 or 6 hitter in the lineup. He just doesn’t have the power number to be in the 3 or 4 hole anymore. It’s nice to look at a players past when assuming that a player is “clutch” or “helping” out by reputation. But unfortunately, we live in a what have you done for me lately world, and based on his salary/health/production, Chipper has been a disappointment for the last 3 seasons. He said it himself the other day “they don’t pay me to hit singles”. Tony gwynn was probably the best singles/doubles hitter of all time. I he was still playing today in his prime would anybody pay him 15 million dollars a year? I dont think so, because he was not that great defensively.
Should he just be brushed to the side, traded, phased out, or released? No, the guy has earned the right to stick around. It’s not his fault the Braves overpaid him a few years ago based on what he had done in the past, and their assumtion that he would continue to do it. But they did sign the contract. And with him being a 10/5 guy he can’t be traded without his permission (which I don’t think he’d ever give). It’s just something we’ll all have to deal with. Look at what happened with Ripken with the Oriols! If CAL RIPKEN can basically be told that he’s not wanted in a round about way (which is exactly what happened there), then Chipper is ignorant to think it can’t eventually happen in ATL. However, I will say, as long as Bobby is the manager, Chipper will be in the lineup. Even if that ends up being another 10 years.
By Joe
June 4, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
Birddog can kiss my a*. Your just made because whatever team you like is garbage. You better hope I dont catch you slipping.
By Tony
June 4, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
Chipper is a 1980s HOF player. Sadly, in the steroid era he is not HOF worthy. He has been a good player with a couple of great years, but he is not HOF material. Someone mentioned his absolute collapses in the post season, totally agree. The same reason why Derek Jeter will get in (postseason), is the same reason Chipper will not get in (postseason).
By nunna yo biznezz
June 4, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this
LOL..Good Job Mr.Moore..U got these suckers eating out of your hands when u talk about such a good fella like chipper..Just like Brooking,he never gets criticized for jack,nada,NOTHING!!!
He is all hype from the Media,just like your #2 QB on YOUR ATLANTA FALCONS…
Chipper,u cannot be counted on to be consistent in the clutch ever..U did a long time ago with a homerun that had the braves in a fight to the end,and 10 minutes later they were out of the playoffs..After that,u never even came close to being the MVP of the league let alone the team..U make good money,but u need to give some of it back..Chipper is a nice nickname for someone who is gonna go down as one the greatest..U need to change your game intro name to,”Larry”..I like u as a person,and i do think u are a decent ballplayer..But i do think u are not sharing the blame here when your team fails in the playoffs..U are not a vocal leader,u are not one who gets on players or challenges them..U need to be more of a manager on the field than u are buddy..Then u can be classified in the great player mode…Good Luck…
By nunna yo biznezz
June 4, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this
LOL..Good Job Mr.Moore..U got these suckers eating out of your hands when u talk about such a good fella like chipper..Just like Brooking,he never gets criticized for jack,nada,NOTHING!!!
He is all hype from the Media,just like your #2 QB on YOUR ATLANTA FALCONS…
Chipper,u cannot be counted on to be consistent in the clutch ever..U did a long time ago with a homerun that had the braves in a fight to the end,and 10 minutes later they were out of the playoffs..After that,u never even came close to being the MVP of the league let alone the team..U make good money,but u need to give some of it back..Chipper is a nice nickname for someone who is gonna go down as one the greatest..U need to change your game intro name to,”Larry”..I like u as a person,and i do think u are a decent ballplayer..But i do think u are not sharing the blame here when your team fails in the playoffs..U are not a vocal leader,u are not one who gets on players or challenges them..U need to be more of a manager on the field than u are buddy..Then u can be classified in the great player mode…Good Luck…
By CJ the unknowing one
June 4, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this
Let me repeat myself again. Birdawg, every time you open your mouth, the world becomes a little bit dumber. The Braves are about winning. Look at the divisional titles you useless oxygen waster. You are probably some small time small minded person that could never play sports, but boy don’t you know everything. Get back in that singlewide, smoke another Marlboro, drink another beer and shut the hell up.
By nathan
June 4, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this
There are two words to describe this Braves team, and it’s a quote from one of the greatest movies of all time: This is Spinal Tap
How do I describe this team?
Sh*t Sandwich
By Drew
June 4, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this
All of these folks seem to forget that the Hall of Fame is not just based purely on numbers. This is a guy that has essentially anchored a playoff team for each of the past 11 years. He has also won silver slugger awards and not to mention his MVP award. He is a World Series champion and is also one of 4 switch hitting players to hit 330+ HRs (mantle murray and i believe chili davis). I whole heartedly agree that if this guy retired today he would not be in (at least for 20 years) and may not be a first ballot, however we will see larry wayne jones enshrined in cooperstown someday.
By Tony C.
June 4, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this
Man this town loves to tear down people.
While I’m sure people would like Larry-Wayne (That’s why he goes by “Chipper”) be a more visible rah-rah type of guy, that’s just not his style. You can read it in his quote in this column
“You know, I’m the No. 3 hitter for one of the best teams in baseball over the last 14 or 15 years. So I know that when I walk out on the field that, in a clutch situation, that pitcher and those players on the other side don’t want to have to get me out. That’s the kind of respect I’ve tried to gain throughout my career, and that’s a compliment enough for me.”
Don’t forget that this guy is the same guy who beat the Mets BY HIMSELF (at least at the plate) against maybe their best lineup until this year (Same lineup won the NL pennant the next year, while #10 was affected by injury). This is the guy that willingly went out and looked like a fool in the outfield for 2 seasons, just so that the TEAM could add another bat. This is the guy that has re-worked his contrat TWICE in order for the TEAM to have a (financial) chance to win the championship. This is the same player that was the ONLY reliable HR threat for Team USA in the “Classic” this year (don’t believe me look at the numbers). This is the guy that gets his own special taunt from NYC fans….trust me they don’t just do that for a “solid” player.
So he doesn’t have an infectious smile, or juicy sound-bites for “Sportscenter”…he just happens to be the best switch-hitter of his generation, the only CONSTANT THREAT this Braves club has had at the dish for 10yrs.
No production in the postseason? Look how they pitch him. You hear the other team say “Well we aren’t going to let Chipper beat us…one of their other guys will have to step up.” or words to that effect. Watch film of how he is pitched and then look at his postseason numbers….very respectable. It’s not his fault Sheffield gets ice-cold in October, or that Furcal can’t take a walk after September 23rd… Trust me, I too used to dog ol’ Larry-Wayne as well for not showing more emotion…til I went to games in the really nice seats wher you could hear him offering encouragement to his teammates “you got this guy Ray” to a beleagured Ray King who was down 3-1 to a pre-injury Scott Rolen or last season “Slow down Jeff, relax” right before Franceour hit a monstorous HR….he just isn’t the flashy type.
He had some off-field issues, and well I don’t blame him for being cautious and gun-shy when dealing with the media…you try having your life played out before a whole city and sportsnation. You should hope you could display as much grace as he showed while the media doggedly put his private life on display night after night.
Anyway, you all know that when you hear “Crazy Train” come on the P.A. at the Ted, you move to get a better look at the guy who has quietly CONSISTENTLY put up HOF numbers.
By Tomas
June 4, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this
Why do the braves keep playing reitsma, he is not an effective pitcher, he always gets hit hard? As for chipper i think he is the heart of this ball club with andruw and John, but play him in 1B and play Beitemet in 3B, and you trade Laroche and reitsma for a good closer.
By Tomas
June 4, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this
I love the Braves but their playing really bad baseball, when they bat well they pitch badly when they hit badly, they pitch very well, they just havent put it together, and when someting like this happe you need to go outside of your sistem and find 1 or two players who will put it all together.
By Luis
June 4, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this
See Chipper has not been able to carry the braves to a world series, he has been know for his mediocre october performances and he should not be considered for the hall at this time. It hurts me to say this but it is the truth. I would The braves need somebody top step up and Chipper hasn’t done it when it matters. Also, PLEASE GET RID OF REITSMA, PLEASE!!!!!!!!! HE SUCKS SO BAD IT IS DEPRESSING
By Tomas
June 4, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this
If i where the gm i would be thinking which players will be the perfect fit for this ballclub, well two player come to mind, Francisco Rodrigez of Anaheim and Adam Dunn of Cincinati, that would solve the pussle for the braves. The angels have Darin Erstad injured and dont have depth in the outfield, so Laroche would be a perfect fit, and they have a lot of good relievers, (Francisco Rodrigez- Adam Laroche and a minor leaguer), as fo Dunn cincinati needs a reliever,, and reitsma a former red would help them a lot if he gets right, and they need defense in the outfield, so (Adam Dunn for Reitsma and Langerthans). That would be perfect because you move chipper to first base and play Beitemet at last at third, plus chipper has made already 8 errs at third.
By King of the New South
June 4, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this
First and foremost allow for me to chime in on this whole article. By no means whatsoever is anything in this article remotely racially biased and the article is nothing more than this man’s occupational obligation of fabricating a topic for discussion, which I might add that he has fullfilled his obligation. I will also agree with Sondra on their second input based on FREE SPEECH!!!! However, the emphasis on race is still an issue due to the mindset that stills plagues the south!!! Discrimination is the reason why!!! If discrimination is still practices in this country then racism will always exist! Period! Untill equality is given and I am not talking socialogically but also financially and occupationally then this will always be bought up. My suggestion is to not be quick to call someone a moron when you are doing nothing more than stating your opinion and not backing your words with action. If any of you paid remotely any attention to the article it states nothing more than the contributions in which Chipper Jones provides to the Braves and his possible honorable mention to the Hall of Fame. Unfortunately some of you missed the a key point that is made that was not remotely geared by in racial motive whatsoever is that Chipper mentions that his actions not his or anyone else’s words don’t mean nothing! So why you all are here spazzing off at the mouth about racism and the guilt that a lot of you may feel from what a lot of your ancestors have wrongfully done and have gotten away with for some many years is to make a change by following your words with the appropriate and accordingly actions. If you are not willingly to put an end to all of the racism and bigotry then my suggestion to a lot of you is to just shut up and go lay with Lucifer because you all are nothing more than self-righteous hypocrites that don’t have the courage enough to make a change for the better!!! Regardless of a man’s race, skin complextion, etc. a true man’s character is a reflection of what he/she does for the advancement for mankind. It amazes me to see that even though some may profess that some educational institutions are better than others it however is reflected when the same hatred and ignorance that KKK members embody are awarded diplomas from these institutions and are given opportunities that are not extended to others due to the color of one’s skin! That right there is IGNORANCE in its purest form. Sad to say that the discrimination lawsuit against Coke didn’t change the a thing when other companies within the metro area still find ways to suppress qualified individuals based on the color of their skill or even go to the extent of claiming a diverse work environments by hiring a statistical number of minorities and what have you to still practice segregation in the work place by awarding bigger bonuses and promotions to their more often less qualified constituients than the better individual for the position based on a specific skin tone that matches Mr. Moore. May the Lord have mercy on your souls to whom this may apply to because they will reveal themselves as the enemy that they lay with always does with a rebuttal to this inevitable truth! One day we will all have to answer to someone for all of our wrongs but I am glad that I will not have to answer to Him for discriminating and false judgement towards any man, woman or child based on the color of their skin!!!
By Tomas
June 4, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this
Another dissapointing loss for the brave against Arizona, Reitsma allowed 4 runs.
By uga4ever
June 4, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this
“His selflessness caused him to agree to the second-worst move in the history of Georgia sports (topped only by D.J. Shockley’s decision to spend four years as a backup quarterback at UGA) when he spent those 2 1/2 years in left field.” Comments like this is what continues to make you a joke. I would hardly say DJ decision to stay at UGA would rank #1 in the history of Georgia sports. I can name so many more bad moves in Georgia history. I am a DIE HARD UGA fan, but please the #1 worst move in history. TERRENCE, YOU REALLY ARE A JOKE.
By old timer
June 4, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
Chipper is a Hall of Famer in my book, but he is borderline in the record books. All numbers from his era are skewed by ‘roids, which makes it even harder to judge. He needs at least 400 HRs, which I he’ll get. One thing in his favor is he’s led his team to so many playoff appearances. He has been a good clutch player. He is much like Justice was. David doesn’t have the numbers for the Hall, especially when compared with all the steroid guys, but he will always be a favorite of mine and this franchise would not have become what it is without him.
By Tomas
June 4, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this
chipper is a very good player his is a former mvp in 1999, switch hitter 300 carrer average, and close to 400 homeruns, he is very eligeble to the hall
By Bob
June 4, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this
Bottom line…for $90 Million he’s appreciated plenty!
By Nate Raymond
June 4, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this
We need to make a trade. I dont care what we do but I am sick of watching reitsma and laroche got out and just suck. they need to make a trade or we will be screwd and start to look at next year. If they by the end of next week arenet atleast 2.5-3 games back of the braves we will have a lot of catching up to do.
By Rawbone
June 4, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this
So, does this mean Chipper is black??,,,
By Tomas
June 4, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this
Lineup with Dunn and Francisco Rodrigez: 2B Marcus Giles SS Edgar Renteria 1B Chipper Jones CF Andruw Jones LF Adam Dunn C Brian Mccan RF Jeff Franceour 3B Wison Beitemet P ( Pitcher )
Substitutes: C Todd Pratt 1B/LF Brian Jordan 2B/Util Pete Orr LF Matt Diaz
Starting Pitchers: SP John Smoltz SP Tim Hudson SP Horacio Ramirez SP Kyle Davies SP Jorge Sosa
Relief Pitchers: RHP John Thomson RHP Chuck James RHP Chad Paronto RHP Ken Ray LHP Mccay Mcbride LHP Mike Remlinger RHP Oscar Villareal RHP/Closer Francisco Rodriges
By Handsome John
June 4, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this
In a game that only gives the hitters credit, Chippie may make it. Does not he lead the majors in errors for a third baseman? At most he is an average player. But wait, throw in young girls and he may make that hall of shame.
By Tomas
June 4, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this
Lineup with Dunn and Francisco Rodrigez: 2B Marcus Giles SS Edgar Renteria 1B Chipper Jones CF Andruw Jones LF Adam Dunn C Brian Mccan RF Jeff Franceour 3B Wison Beitemet P ( Pitcher )
Substitutes: C Todd Pratt 1B/LF Brian Jordan 2B/Util Pete Orr LF Matt Diaz
Starting Pitchers: SP John Smoltz SP Tim Hudson SP Horacio Ramirez SP Kyle Davies SP Jorge Sosa
Relief Pitchers: RHP John Thomson RHP Chuck James RHP Chad Paronto RHP Ken Ray LHP Mccay Mcbride LHP Mike Remlinger RHP Oscar Villareal RHP/Closer Francisco Rodriges This format must be bad sorry
By Hater
June 4, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this
Positive proof that anyone can be considered for the Hall Of Fame when you involve steroids ….. CHEATER.
By Jerry
June 4, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this
Chipper has been a consistant player through out his career, but the only year he stepped up his game to MVP status, was his contract year. Then he slid back into his comfort zone.
By Cheater
June 4, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this
His only comfort zone is the one between his ears. So much room because nothing is upstairs. In the infamous words of Red Forman …. ‘DUMBASS’
By KneeJerk
June 4, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this
This just in……. in order to receive good players, you must give up good or promising players.
By Tom
June 4, 2006 06:14 PM | Link to this
Chipper is what we like to call soft punks.. We call them Pussies…
By Yars
June 4, 2006 09:06 PM | Link to this
If Chipper ends his career with a .300 average, 400 + HR and 1400 + RBI’s, I think he will get in. Remember, he’s a switch hitter. I put him right up there with both Mickey Mantle and Eddie Murray. Sure, they both have over 500 HR, but that’s not the only stat the HOF voters look at. Since Chipper has entered the league, the Braves have went to the playoffs. He has a WS ring, an MVP, and a handful of all star berths. I think Chipper can play another 3-4 years and put up solid numbers, but I don’t think he will end his career at 3B. Most likely 1B. Let’s talk about Andruw for a moment. The guy isn’t even 30 yet, and has over 300 + HR. Granted, he won’t finish his career with a .300 average, but he will have 600 + HR, a ton of RBI’s, and a room full of gold gloves, and who knows, maybe even an MVP or 2.
By Lew
June 4, 2006 09:17 PM | Link to this
I agree, Birddawg is a complete idiot. So are all the rest of you who can’t appreciate Chipper’s or the Braves’ accomplishments. You deserve the Devil Rays.
By John
June 4, 2006 10:05 PM | Link to this
An average player on an average team. When most of your starter and hitting below .250, what do you expect. And why Is Cox a great mananger when he plays the same old duds because he is loyal? That’s a good mananger?
By crawlin dawg
June 4, 2006 11:09 PM | Link to this
Terence, you’re an idiot. Still are, always will be. I hope Shockley beats you up someday.
By Adam
June 5, 2006 12:04 AM | Link to this
Chipper Jones is the Derek Jeter of the National League. Since he has been in MLB with the Braves, he has got them to the playoffs and has given them a chance to win the World Series. He has been a great leader the past few years for the rookies that have came up and he has also taken a pay cut in order to sign Tim Hudson for 3 years. I belive that he is a Hall of Fame player but many people out there thrive for hating on a guy who has been nothing but a postive figure for Major League Baseball.
By Adam
June 5, 2006 12:22 AM | Link to this
We all seem to forget all of the postive things that Chipper has done for the Braves and for their fans. I am 20 years old and I think I have more common sense than most of you adults who are writing about this article. Growing up watching Chipper and the Braves play the past 14 years have been pretty amazing. I know he is towards the end of his career, and his swing is not the same as it once was, but before you go and criticize the guy, think about how lucky we Brave fans have been to be able to watch a guy like Chipper Jones develop throughout his career, stay with one team throught his career, which does not happen any more, and have Hall of Fame seasons, year after year.