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By brewdawg

April 23, 2006 07:30 PM | Link to this

Finally some clarity. Schaub may indeed prove to be a good starter but the Falcons need to move him and get something for him while his value is so high. I think Shockley will be available late for us to grab- if not, we can find someone else. All this ” start Schaub ” crap only hurts the Falcons. I will never understand what exactly Vick has done to have people turn on him, but regardless we need to move Schaub while he’s hot.

By Dominic Hughes

April 23, 2006 07:50 PM | Link to this

Excellent column. I’m still hoping a trade for Schaub will happen in coming weeks. We should get something for him while he remains an unproven quantity and other teams see nothing but upside. One thing though, Jeff, it’s Lawyer Milloy. You’re obviously confusing him with Terry “I coulda been a contender” Malloy. I’m hoping Lawyer is more than just a contender for the Falcons.

By falcon74

April 23, 2006 08:09 PM | Link to this

I am a huge Vick fan and glad he’s our QB, but we have to have a reliable backup. Think back to the recent playoff runs the Falcons have had and the starter never played 16 games. In 98 Chandler was out for a game or 2. In 02 & 04 Vick missed a couple of games. To have backup like Schaub who can come in and the Falcons still have a chance to win is huge. McKay is betting on the Falcon’s making a Super Bowl run and knows if he trades Schaub and Vick goes down, we are done.

By Scooter

April 23, 2006 08:15 PM | Link to this

I am glad someone wrote a column that stresses the fact that Vick is the starter and will be for the long haul. As for trading Schaub, It’s a double edged sword. Your damned if you do, your damned if you don’t. The only way we trade Schaub is to get an offer we can’t refuse and I don’t see that happening with the little playing time he has had. Then again, who knows we may be in for a surprise on draft day.

By titothebear

April 23, 2006 08:24 PM | Link to this

The huge hole that needs plugging is the quarterback position. Vick is not a decent quarterback! His numbers from this past season prove that. His improvement, since entering the league, is non-existent. Check it out for yourselves. Mike Vick’s numbers from 2005 are just as bad as those from 2004. He does not have the sort of passing ability all the great ones have possessed. Please trade Schaub! It would be the best for him and nothing can help the Falcons as long as they say statistics do not matter. The statistic that really counts, wins and losses, will take a precipitous plunge this season if Vick remains the QB. Expect to read 3-13 at the end of the year. So, please trade Schaub and allow him to become the star he will be while you cling to this erratic, enigmatic and un-talented running back masquerading as a quarterback!

By titothebear

April 23, 2006 08:24 PM | Link to this

The huge hole that needs plugging is the quarterback position. Vick is not a decent quarterback! His numbers from this past season prove that. His improvement, since entering the league, is non-existent. Check it out for yourselves. Mike Vick’s numbers from 2005 are just as bad as those from 2004. He does not have the sort of passing ability all the great ones have possessed. Please trade Schaub! It would be the best for him and nothing can help the Falcons as long as they say statistics do not matter. The statistic that really counts, wins and losses, will take a precipitous plunge this season if Vick remains the QB. Expect to read 3-13 at the end of the year. So, please trade Schaub and allow him to become the star he will be while you cling to this erratic, enigmatic and un-talented running back masquerading as a quarterback!

By Scooter

April 23, 2006 08:31 PM | Link to this

I knew this column would bring out the Vick haters. Look, Vick is the starter for the next ten years so learn to like him or root for another team. Actually, I don’t even think half you guys are falcon fans. Which really makes the situation lame. Great column by the way.

By Chris

April 23, 2006 08:37 PM | Link to this

Tito, you’re an idiot. What would possibly make you think the Falcons will finish 3-13, especially with the moves they made in the offseason to plug some holes? And if you say Vick is not a good quarterback, why would you advocate trading Schaub? Your post makes no sense.

And I guess that trip to the NFC Championship game 2 years ago had nothing to do with Vick. Look at the man’s career winning percentage and come back when you have a clue.

By Al D.

April 23, 2006 08:49 PM | Link to this

I don’t necessarily disagree with the trade but I take complete exception to your aweful attitude toward Schaub and the rest of the guys you dissed. Since you don’t pay for your tickets like the rest of us how dare you say a back-up QB doesn’t matter. We season ticket holders didnt get a refund in 2003. No that we expected to make the playoffs but we certainly deserved to have a competitive team to watch. Your assessment of Duckett sounds like those idiots on some message boards. Maybe he isnt right for the Falcons zone blocking scheme, but he will be a successful RB in this league. As far as Webster is concerned, maybe he is a better nickle back or maybe he was playing hurt most of the season. Make you point BUT don’t diss guys who worked hard to help the team compete.

By Ashy Larry

April 23, 2006 08:57 PM | Link to this

How much do the Falcons even figure to get for Schaub in a trade anyway? Keep in mind that former Pro Bowler Daunte Culpepper, who probably would have been MVP in 2004 if Manning didn’t have his historical season, only was worth a 2nd round pick in a trade. What makes you think that anyone in their right mind is gonna give us more than a 3rd round pick, or a player with similar value, for Schaub? If you can’t get higher than a 3rd rounder for Schaub, might as well keep him until his restricted free agent year. Since he was a 3rd round pick, if anyone wants to sign him they will have to give us a minimum of a 3rd round pick for him anyway, depending on what we tender him. And if nobody wants to sign him in restricted free agency, then we can trade him. But for now, I don’t see why anyone is gonna give us a high pick or an immediate starter for a guy who has completed 49% of his passes (less than Vick, who by the way is at 54%) for his career. If McKay can sucker someone into giving up a high pick or an immediate starter for him then by all means go ahead and trade him, but there is no Isiah Thomas in the NFL, so I don’t see that happening.

By William Kitchens

April 23, 2006 09:01 PM | Link to this

First… liking Schaub does not make one a Vick hater.

Second… a trade for a first round pick with Schaub will probably at best be 17th from Minnesota which at 17th doesn’t bring us anymore than another need at back up? Not a starter!

We need a back up QB and have a very good one who already understands our offense and is in tune with the coaches and system. So a trade for a first round pick at 17 does the Falcons absolutely no good this year unless the cat is a special teams monster.

Jeff.. you should know this!

Should Schaub go for a 1st and another pick, it could happen. A 1st in the top 12 a done deal but not likely.

Regardless of your feeling about this… it’s gonna be fun watching the draft on Saturday and the pundits discussing the Schaub buzz.

By Brian

April 23, 2006 09:04 PM | Link to this

Schultz, thats the best thing you’ve written, though I do disagree with your Duckett comment. Schaub is like any good investment, its time to book the profit we’ve made and reinvest elsewhere. A solid draft pick and a veteran CB or OL would be well worth the trade. Protect Vick in the pocket and we’ll lessen the chances (albeit not remove them given his mobility and penchant for running) of a season ending injury from a hit while looking for our receivers.

Maybe Webster is a good nickel back. But he is not a good corner. We missed many veteran cover corners early on in free agency.

The time for hiding behind the veil of “What happens if Vick gets hurt?” is over. It won’t matter if we play defense like we did last year.

By WW

April 23, 2006 09:27 PM | Link to this

Schultz, YOU ARE A MORON! I’m sick of the trade Schaub comments every time I browse the AJC. What the heck has Vick done anyway? I firmly believe SCHAUB is a BETTER QUARTERBACK than Vick. Because I stress…Vick is NOT a quarterback!!! End of story! Anyone who thinks he is knows nothing about football and especially about the NFL. You have to be able to pass the football to win in the NFL and to win a Super Bowl. When is the last time that an athlete at quarterback won a Super Bowl? Don’t get me wrong, Vick is a heck of an athlete and the most exciting player in the NFL, but he is simply not a quarterback and is a horrible passer. Schaub is our best insurance/asset right now because Vick could down anytime along with $100 million. Schultz, you know nothing about sports and decision-making. Move back to wherever you came from.

By Chris

April 23, 2006 09:31 PM | Link to this

“So a trade for a first round pick at 17 does the Falcons absolutely no good this year unless the cat is a special teams monster.”

Wow. A #17 does us absolutely no good? Ridiculous. Almost any 1st-rounder has the ability to be an instant impact player, especially one as high as 17. Also, any player you get at 17 has a chance to have an impact for years to come. If you could get a 1st-rounder for Schaub, you have to do it. Flipping a 3rd-rounder for a 1st is a no-brainer.

By mountain_jim

April 23, 2006 09:35 PM | Link to this

Nice column. Brought out the yellers.

I am still hoping for a first and third/fourth for him myself, or 2 seconds from MN rather than the possible 17, but my guess is if the right person is there we accept the MN 17 that while not on the table is looming right over the table.

And I say again - Vick is going to prove you lam-o so-called-fans all wrong this season with the passing game being developed now, with better coached mechanics, better scheme and playcalling and plenty of practive time with raw but good receivers.

mj

By Chandler

April 23, 2006 09:39 PM | Link to this

William Kitchens what are you talking about? No one is offering a first round pick for Schaub. No one! What have you been watching to say that no starters would be left at 17. You can’t be serious. If you are, please go to any draft site and get informed. The falcons could do plenty with the 17th pick but that doesn’t matter because Minnesota nor any other team will give up a 1st round pick for Schaub.

By Chris

April 23, 2006 09:49 PM | Link to this

“When is the last time that an athlete at quarterback won a Super Bowl?”

There actually haven’t been any quarterbacks like Vick, so that statement holds no water. How many “athletes” have been at QB? Not many. While Schaub may be a better pocket passer than Vick, Vick is more likely to win you a game. Teams have to change their entire defense for Vick. When you have to keep 1 player home to spy him, it allows for 10-on-10 instead of 10-on-11. He creates so many problems for defenses simply by being on the field.

Take your own advice and go away.

By the way: Vick-54% completions. Schaub-49%

By WW

April 23, 2006 10:01 PM | Link to this

Chris, you have no clue. Have you forgotten about the performance that Schaub put on against the Patriots despite our horrible defense? He played well without a good OL or defense. What’s Vick’s excuse? Let me remind you…298 yards and 3 TDs vs. NE. Has Vick ever had either of those stats next to his name? Then take your lame excuse for a comeback and get a clue. By the way, look at Vick’s numbers against teams that “spy” on him like you like to talk about…particularly against Thomas Davis and the Carolina Panthers. You’re not making a good case for your argument bud.

By Chris

April 23, 2006 10:09 PM | Link to this

Every team spies him. You can’t just throw out Carolina and Davis and expect that to be the basis for your argument. Schaub vs NE: 298yds, 3 TDs, 1 LOSS. That’s pretty much the only statistic that matters, isn’t it? And remember, that was a NE defense that was in tatters. Vick may not have thrown for 298 against them, but he doesn’t need to.

It’s obvious that Vick was given a $130 million contract for a reason. The people who make those types of decisions know what they’re doing, and they’re good at it. Matt Schaub will never approach a $100 million contract, because he will never deserve it. Again, look at Vick’s career winning percentage, and look at how the Falcons’ fortunes have turned with him at the helm. He also makes players want to come play here. You never would see us attract the free agents we have the last 2 years with Schaub at QB. Vick makes everything about the Falcons better.

By Bob

April 23, 2006 10:13 PM | Link to this

Bottem line…Vick sells tickets. Blank doesn’t care about wins, he cares about money. As long as Vick sells the tickets he will play (and earn his $100+mil). And just because you hate Vick doesn’t make you a “Falcon hater” or even a bad fan. Much of us who have had season tickets since ‘66 hate Vick. Yeah he is an exciting player, but I’d rather WIN the old fashion way. Eventually, his awe will wear off and once again we will be the only fans in the stadium.

By WW

April 23, 2006 10:15 PM | Link to this

Last time I checked, Schaub had 21 other players playing against the Patriots. He more than did his part to get a win, especially as a backup. “It’s obvious that Vick was given a $130 million contract for a reason.”

And many of us are still trying to figure out what that reason is…

By Chris

April 23, 2006 10:22 PM | Link to this

Blank doesn’t care about wins? I can almost guarantee you he is every bit as competitive as any owner in the league. He has the drive to be the best, and he hires the people who will do the best job. Did we need to bring in Rich McKay to fill seats? No, Vick does that on his own. McKay was brought here because he had built a proven winner in Tampa, and Blank wants the same for this franchise. No way we would’ve brought in the talent we have the last 2 years if Blank wasn’t interested in winning. That’s just absurd.

If he was only interested in making money, do you think seriously think he would be interested in purchasing the Braves? They lose money. That’s a bad investment. If he runs the Falcons and/or Braves at anywhere near the level that he ran Home Depot, Atlanta sports fans will be happy for years to come.

By Birdy

April 23, 2006 10:23 PM | Link to this

Yes, Jeff Schultz. You have hit the nail squarely on the proverbial head.

There is no risk-free championship. If we can protect Vick like Brady and Manning we can win the whole thing. Get an everyday player for Schaub and wish him good luck.

I think I know some of those “disturbed few” you mentioned, by the way. There are Dummkopfs all over the world, lol!

By Josh Knight

April 23, 2006 10:25 PM | Link to this

Get off the big wheel tittybear! Hurry!!!

By titothebear

April 23, 2006 10:36 PM | Link to this

Chris,

You are living in the past! The Foulcons were eight and eight this year and very lucky to avoid being five and eleven. They’ll be three and thirteen after next season. I don’t care how much money Vick makes. It doen’t matter to me. He’s not won any Superbowls and he’s not going to win any either. He’s a very poor quarterback! His statistics are terrible and the team’s won/loss record is in a downward spiral. The moves the Foulcons have made will avail them of nothing. Your pique will avail you of nothing. The Foulcons are a perpeual loser. Through forty years, they’ve had one truly outsstanding season. They’ve had thirty-nine that were mediocre or terrible. Another terrible one coming right on up! By the way, save the name calling for your wife fool!

By Scooter

April 23, 2006 10:42 PM | Link to this

Titothebear, Why are you here on this blog?

By Chris

April 23, 2006 10:48 PM | Link to this

Saying the Falcons will go 3-13 this season shows you lack the mental aptitude to carry on a debate such as this. The Falcons, with their new and improved defense, could win more than 3 with Casey Clausen at QB. And last year’s 8-8 was an abberration brought on by an injury-depleted and safety-deficient defense. With Hartwell at full strength and the additions of Abraham, Millow and Crocker, there isn’t a chance of finishing under .500.

I have several names for my soon-to-be wife. Most of them contain the words “hot” or “sexy,” two adjectives I’m sure a moron like yourself will never be able to use to describe your significant other.

By Bo

April 23, 2006 10:49 PM | Link to this

Chris The Braves do not loss money.Look up the records for last year and only two teams lost money. The Braves ranked 8th for both leagues. Blanks would make a great owner for Braves. You know very little about Mr. Blanks , he very much wants to win for the fans , city and state. Judge not would apply to you.

By Jennifer

April 23, 2006 10:50 PM | Link to this

From what you said it’s obvious you know nothing about football. Your suggestions are completely ridiculous and the real answer is so obvious a 5-year-old could figure it out.

I am so sick of hearing this s** from you guys. If you know so much about how to (1) pick a draft, (2) trade a free agent, (3) coach a team, (4) stack a depth chart, (5) play the game, or (6) analyze all of the above then go get a g******* job paying you to do it and me and everyone else won’t feel like tossing you in the river for making smarmy-assed comments like my opener. This means you, buddy. You want to make something of it then get in line and pay the $10.50 like everyone else.

By THIRTYBOOTY

April 23, 2006 10:59 PM | Link to this

I totally agree with trading Schaub. I think we can get more out of him as a back up than we could get out of him as a starter. Let’s face it….Michael Vick isn’t going to play as a back-up or split time with another quarterback! He has so much raw athletic ability, speed, a cannon for an arm, and now that there is a legitimate quarterback coach at the helm to refine and harness all this talent, the picture is starting to look much clearer. I think we could pick up the rights to Buffalo’s cornerback (Nate Clements)and their first round pick for Matt Schaub, Jason Webster, and our 4th round pick in ‘07 acquired from Denver. That would solidify the other corner spot for us, give Buffalo a fighting chance at the quarterback position, and it benefits both organizations by filling voids in needed areas.

As I see it, Jason Webster’s style of play at the corner spot doesn’t seem to work for Atlanta’s scheme because he is constantly challenged on very important downs, and if you watch any of the games this past season, he seemed to not be able to step up and answer. Nate Clements, on the other hand, doesn’t seem to like the idea of being a franchise player for Buffalo, which could give us a chance to bargain for his services at the right price. It seems anyone could justify coming to Atlanta for a mutually benefitting deal because all the pieces are in place on Defense for a winning equation.

It wouldn’t be a very bright decsision if you would turn down the chance to play with such guys as Lawyer Milloy, Patrick Kerney, John Abraham, Keith Brooking, D’Angelo Hall, Rod Coleman, Ed Hartwell all are Pro Bowl caliber players and a unit that would “knock the dust out of your grandma” on Sunday.

I certainly see, a very big move for the Falcons before the draft that will more than satisfy their needs at their weak points. This year is a bright one that will lead to a much better season and likely a Lombardi Trophy.

By PEEWEE

April 23, 2006 10:59 PM | Link to this

GO! JENNIFER GO! I agree with you 100%on Chris. If you can get a #1 pick for SCHAUB do it.

By Chris

April 23, 2006 10:59 PM | Link to this

I know enough to know there is no “s” at the end of Blank. I know enough to know that he’s a fantastic owner and very competitive. Did you even read my post?

By Great Falconi

April 23, 2006 11:01 PM | Link to this

If the Vikings will give up a first-rounder for Schaub, the Falcons would have to do the deal. However, I don’t believe the Vikes will bite when they can pick a guy like Oregon QB Kellen Clemens or Tide QB Brodie Croyle in the second round.

By titothebear

April 23, 2006 11:07 PM | Link to this

Chris,

What is the man’s name whom you are to marry? I think it’s wonderful that two people in love, no matter their gender, can now become man and man or whatever. Hartwell’s strength isn’t going to have any effect upon that awful offense Maggot! You can get used to the idea-the Foulcons are going to go 3-13 next season. All your little girl screaming won’t change that. So get back to your crocheting and leave the football talk to us real men! You can holler like you do when you and Albert are in the sack but it won’t change anything. The Foulcons will be losers, again and so will you. Goodnight precious little girl.

By DirtyBirdDawg

April 23, 2006 11:07 PM | Link to this

The same people saying to keep Schaub are the same ones who wanted to keep Duckett. There was a time that the hype of Duckett would have made it pretty easy to secure a 1st round draft pick, but we waited and now his stock is worthless. If we don’t move Schaub soon we’ll suffer a similar fate because either he’ll leave as an unrestricted free agent or he’ll end up worthless. Anyone who is so sure he’s a better QB than Vick has an agenda. What has Vick done? He’s led the Falcons to the playoffs twice. What has Schaub done other than go 0-2? I mean don’t tell me the only stat that matters is wins and losses then spin the Falcons horrid defense as an excuse for Schaub not winning games. The same defense lost many of Vick’s games last season.

By Chris

April 23, 2006 11:12 PM | Link to this

3-13. Ridiculous. This will be my last post regarding Tito because it’s obvious there’s no point debating with such an absolute homophobic moron. 3-13 is hilarious.

By jroc133

April 23, 2006 11:15 PM | Link to this

What I find so funny about all the Matt Schaub lovers is the fact that they point to one game in which Schaub threw for 298 and 3 TD’s against a defense that was w/out Richard Seymour, Tedy Bruschi, Ty Law, and Rodney Harrison. The same defense was ranked 31st in the NFL at that point in the season and had just given up 265 yards to Kerry Collins (who is also w/out a team as we speak…).

But what all the Schaub lovers or the rest of the press fail to point out is how Vick threw for 306 yards and 2 TD’s against the number 3 ranked d in the league in Tampa Bay. You know why no one talks about it? B/c the Falcons lost. Which is the same exact thing that happened to Schaub against NE. For 3 weeks Vick had a passer rating better than 95 and the Falcons went 1-2 primarily b/c last year’s defense was absolutely attrocious. That was the problem w/ this team. Not its qb, who does nothing but move the ball and gives this team its best opportunity to win. When Schaub is traded - and he will be - it will be to someone who is desperate for a qb. Schaub could very well be a good qb, but we won’t find out here.

Stop listening to sports talk idiots who are nothing more than talking heads and do some real research. And also take a look at the fact that Mike Vick is going absolutely nowhere…

By titothebear

April 23, 2006 11:15 PM | Link to this

DirtyBD,

The defense won three games for the team and saved Vick! Blame them all you want. We know the truth.

By Jeff

April 23, 2006 11:15 PM | Link to this

Sounds like Schultz is the one who should stay off the Big Wheel! Good Lord man, who do you want running the Falcons offense if Vick goes down (which seems to be highly likely every year!)? A guy who knows the system like Schaub, or - as you suggested - Jay Fiedler, Jamie Martin, or Ty Detmer? Excuse me while I laugh my butt off at those options! Sorry Schultz, I’ve had my fill of p**-poor backups in Atlanta history (see: Tony Graziani, Turk Schonert, 92-year-old Steve DeBerg.) I prefer a good young guy with a lot of upside. And if I’m not mistaken - he played pretty darn good against the Patriots last year. It was Vick, for the record, who fumbled away the Tampa Bay game. So, spare your “trade Schaub” tirade - Atlanta is doing just fine, thanks, with their current offense. I’m happy they FINALLY upgraded the defense! With Hartwell, Milloy and Abraham, the Falcons “D” should be infinitely better… and don’t be surprised to see Atlanta deep in the playoffs (and, don’t be surprised to see Schaub play well in the 3 or 4 games Vick misses.) If Atlanta was 4-12 every year, and Vick was our only weapon, I just MIGHT agree with you - but for now, what impact player are we going to get at No. 25, 26, 27 in the first round anyway?

By Jennifer

April 23, 2006 11:16 PM | Link to this

I’m not saying that there are no good comments and thoughts here, now. There are many. They just don’t involve the words “obviously”, “ridiculous”, and the most nonsensical “little girl”. Even more obviously ridiculous is being offended at the comparison to little girls. My niece plays soccer while wearing her tiara and tutu and could run circles around 99% of you. Let’s change “little girl” to something actually more weak and vulnerable than “little boy” or I will raise my rates for making something of it to $11.00.

By Jeff

April 23, 2006 11:18 PM | Link to this

Sounds like Schultz is the one who should stay off the Big Wheel! Good Lord man, who do you want running the Falcons offense if Vick goes down (which seems to be highly likely every year!)? A guy who knows the system like Schaub, or - as you suggested - Jay Fiedler, Jamie Martin, or Ty Detmer? Excuse me while I laugh my butt off at those options! Sorry Schultz, I’ve had my fill of p**-poor backups in Atlanta history (see: Tony Graziani, Turk Schonert, 92-year-old Steve DeBerg.) I prefer a good young guy with a lot of upside. And if I’m not mistaken - he played pretty darn good against the Patriots last year. It was Vick, for the record, who fumbled away the Tampa Bay game. So, spare your “trade Schaub” tirade - Atlanta is doing just fine, thanks, with their current offense. I’m happy they FINALLY upgraded the defense! With Hartwell, Milloy and Abraham, the Falcons “D” should be infinitely better… and don’t be surprised to see Atlanta deep in the playoffs (and, don’t be surprised to see Schaub play well in the 3 or 4 games Vick misses.) If Atlanta was 4-12 every year, and Vick was our only weapon, I just MIGHT agree with you - but for now, what impact player are we going to get at No. 25, 26, 27 in the first round anyway?

By titothebear

April 23, 2006 11:19 PM | Link to this

Chris,

Imbecile, the Foulcons will do no better than 3-13 next season. it’s possible they’ll be worse. I hope Vick plays every minute of the beatings to come.

By Jeff

April 23, 2006 11:22 PM | Link to this

Sounds like Schultz is the one who should stay off the Big Wheel! Good Lord man, who do you want running the Falcons offense if Vick goes down (which seems to be highly likely every year!)? A guy who knows the system like Schaub, or - as you suggested - Jay Fiedler, Jamie Martin, or Ty Detmer? Excuse me while I laugh my butt off at those options! Sorry Schultz, I’ve had my fill of p**-poor backups in Atlanta history (see: Tony Graziani, Turk Schonert, 92-year-old Steve DeBerg.) I prefer a good young guy with a lot of upside. And if I’m not mistaken - he played pretty darn good against the Patriots last year. It was Vick, for the record, who fumbled away the Tampa Bay game. So, spare your “trade Schaub” tirade - Atlanta is doing just fine, thanks, with their current offense. I’m happy they FINALLY upgraded the defense! With Hartwell, Milloy and Abraham, the Falcons “D” should be infinitely better… and don’t be surprised to see Atlanta deep in the playoffs (and, don’t be surprised to see Schaub play well in the 3 or 4 games Vick misses.) If Atlanta was 4-12 every year, and Vick was our only weapon, I just MIGHT agree with you - but for now, what impact player are we going to get at No. 25, 26, 27 in the first round anyway?

By titothebear

April 23, 2006 11:22 PM | Link to this

Jennifer,

Did your niece borrow that tiara from Chris?

By WW

April 23, 2006 11:28 PM | Link to this

Thank you Jeff! Finally a good post.

By Keepin It Real

April 23, 2006 11:34 PM | Link to this

Hey TitotheBear,WW,Jeff

PLEASE PUT THE PIPE DOWN!!!!!

“there is a small and disturbed following who believe Matt Schaub could do better. I’m assuming this is based on something other than the fact Schaub is 0-2 as a starter, which projects closer to Doug Johnson than Super Bowl”. NOW THATS SOME FUNNY SHI!

WHAT BIG WHEELER OR YOU GUYS DRIVING?

By Keepin It Real

April 23, 2006 11:35 PM | Link to this

Hey TitotheBear,WW,Jeff

PLEASE PUT THE PIPE DOWN!!!!!

“there is a small and disturbed following who believe Matt Schaub could do better. I’m assuming this is based on something other than the fact Schaub is 0-2 as a starter, which projects closer to Doug Johnson than Super Bowl”. NOW THATS SOME FUNNY SHI!

WHAT BIG WHEELER OR YOU GUYS DRIVING?

By Keepin It Real

April 23, 2006 11:36 PM | Link to this

Hey TitotheBear,WW,Jeff

PLEASE PUT THE PIPE DOWN!!!!!

“there is a small and disturbed following who believe Matt Schaub could do better. I’m assuming this is based on something other than the fact Schaub is 0-2 as a starter, which projects closer to Doug Johnson than Super Bowl”. NOW THATS SOME FUNNY SHI!

WHAT BIG WHEELER OR YOU GUYS DRIVING?

By Chris

April 23, 2006 11:38 PM | Link to this

More like finally 3 good posts.

By Chris

April 23, 2006 11:42 PM | Link to this

Thanks for showing up, Keepin it Real. Someone who knows what he’s talking about is actually here. What a relief.

By titothebear sucks

April 23, 2006 11:45 PM | Link to this

titbear, i could have been your father, but the dog beat me into your mom’s bedroom.

to all of you other hypocrites, I betcha if Terence Moore had written this column word-for-word, all of you would have a different tune.

titothebear sucks. and his mom humps pups

By titothebear

April 23, 2006 11:46 PM | Link to this

keeping it real-stupid,

Fool, Matt Schaub has done better! He threw for three touchdowns in a game and nappy-head has never done that. Vick is an awful quarterback! 8-8 was the record of the Foulcons this past season, Keeping it Real Confused. You oblivious idiots talk as if the Foulcons had a great year. If not for the defense winning three games, the Foulcons would have wound up 5-11. They were horrible and much of the atrociousness can be laid at the feet of the man with the little girl braids. Now, get a life and try to get off that rock Foo!

By Gator

April 23, 2006 11:47 PM | Link to this

The thinking is backward Jeff. Trade Vick and free up the salary space and we could get all the above…corner, safety, tackle, guard, center, Rb, and maybe a new backup. Schaub has the intangles…excellent accuracy, fits the system, etc…remember the San Fran Qb’s few were lofty first rounders. Vick still has plenty of potential but he needs to show it quickly as for passing in this league and leading. I’m still a Vick fan but we’re not getting our money’s worth and that is a business problem.

By Common

April 23, 2006 11:55 PM | Link to this

Gator, when you say “we” are not getting “our” money’s worth, what are you saying exactly? Are you paying Vick’s salary? I know I’m not. And if you are referring to the ticket you buy (and that’s IF you even go to the games), I’ll ask you the same question Russell Crowe asked the crowd in Gladiator: Are you not entertained? You’re getting YOUR money’s worth.

By WW

April 23, 2006 11:58 PM | Link to this

Keepin it Real:

Push the “Post” button once, not 3 times!

Gator makes plenty of sense with his post. Right on! As for anyone on here who thinks Vick is worth $130 million is a complete idiot…period! What a waste. I haven’t heard Vick offering to free up money to better the team…selfish thug. Warrick is a team player and knows life is about more than money and material stuff. At least he’s in the community building homes, etc. Vick is a thug and waste of salary space. Trade him and let Schaub shine as the QB.

By uup115

April 23, 2006 11:58 PM | Link to this

“Matt Schaub will never be the Falcons’ starting quarterback. Never. The Falcons have too much invested in Vick in salary, marketing and all things related to identity. That is not going to change.”

Great! we have a marketing mascot as our QB. funny how nowhere in this article does he infaticly state who is a better QB, but he does let you know who sells tickets.

By Chris

April 23, 2006 11:59 PM | Link to this

Vick is only 25. With the exception of a very few, QBs aren’t exactly in their prime at this stage of their careers. Trade Vick? Hahaha. The man’s a leader and is still getting better, and will continue to improve for several years. I wish I had some of whatever you guys are smoking. Must be good.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 12:02 AM | Link to this

Remember folks, Vick is only 25. With the exception of a very few, QBs aren’t exactly at their primes at this stage of their careers. Trade Vick? Hahaha. The man’s a leader and will continue to improve for several years. I wish I had some of whatever you guys are smoking. Must be some good stuff.

By titothebear

April 24, 2006 12:02 AM | Link to this

keeping it Real moronic,

Put down the pipe and try to organize your addled brain idiot. I like Terence Moore and I don’t have a problem with him at all. Terence is an informed and intelligent journalist. You, on the other hand, are a person of little education who is as un-needed as a football bat. You love Vick. So what? He’s a terrible QB and you’re a terrible whatever it is that you are. mainly, you’re just a pest. Be gone fool.

By Keep it fake

April 24, 2006 12:04 AM | Link to this

WW, you are a g-dd-mn idiot. The very f—king structure of vick’s contract is set up to provide cap relief for the team you damn moron. How could you not know that given how much of a f—king expert you are?

WW = Worthless Wuss

uup115, you are so damn stupid. The word you were trying to spell “emphatically” yet you write “infaticly” Nobody as stupid as you should be taken seriously on a blog. You are too g-dd-mn stupid.

By WW

April 24, 2006 12:07 AM | Link to this

Chris, you’ve already proved you know nothing about football, sports and anything else it seems…so just go to bed. Vick’s a leader huh? He can’t even check off at the line of scrimmage. He does not know how to read the defense and make adjustments. It’s a guessing game for the Falcons’ offense. A leader though, right?

By Chris

April 24, 2006 12:09 AM | Link to this

“Infaticly”? What the hell is that? Perhaps you were going for “emphatically.” Now, normally I wouldn’t harp on misspelled words, but come on…

And how exactly is Vick a thug? And why would you offer to give away money in a contract you signed less than 2 years ago, especially if it wasn’t absolutely necessary? No one is saying the Falcons need more money to sign free agents. We’ve done pretty well this offseason managing the team’s spending. Think, then type. It works wonders.

By WW

April 24, 2006 12:16 AM | Link to this

Keep it fake:

Hey man, is the language necessary? I’ll be praying for you brother. I’m sorry if I really offended you that much. I don’t appreciate you using the Lord’s name in vain so much and I’m sure no one else does either. I don’t think it’s necessary on here for everyone to see. And $130 million is $130 million anyway you dice it. That’s an awful lot of money for someone to play football and at a position that he is not best utilizing his talents at.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 12:16 AM | Link to this

By “leader,” I mean someone the team will rally around. Someone who commands respect from his coaches, teammates and opponents. Someone who can and does accept responsibilty when things don’t go well and who makes everyone around him better. Learning reads takes time. Vick will learn more and more, especially with a proven QB coach to teach him.

By JustDMan

April 24, 2006 12:16 AM | Link to this

Tito & WW….hmmm WW sounds like a George Bush wanna be. Anyhow, you two should be the first on the big wheels leading your snuff carrying boyzs with ya…By the way, be sure to ride on the sidewalk, wouldn’t want run your Big Wheel ridin a@#s over!

By JustDMan

April 24, 2006 12:19 AM | Link to this

Tito & WW….hmmm WW sounds like a George Bush wanna be. Anyhow, you two should be the first on the big wheels leading your snuff carrying boyzs with ya…By the way, be sure to ride on the sidewalk, wouldn’t want run your Big Wheel ridin a@#s over!

By titothebear

April 24, 2006 12:20 AM | Link to this

Chris,

Vick has been in the league five years and he hasn’t improved at all. In fact, he’s regressed! Look up his record for yourself. Oh, that’s right! Records, including team records, mean nothing when you are speaking of Vick. Well, if records don’t matter, what does?

By Jeff

April 24, 2006 12:21 AM | Link to this

WW,

Vick reworked his deal this year. Do your homework!!

By Chris

April 24, 2006 12:22 AM | Link to this

Whatta Waste:

How awfully condescending of you to say you will pray for someone else. And there are dashes in his post. Stop getting so worked up on that pedestal up there.

Oh yeah: my God can kick your God’s a55. Pray about that.

By titothebear

April 24, 2006 12:26 AM | Link to this

JustDman,

So is the D for dumb? Yes, i think it is. I would be happy to respond to your post if there were anything to respond to. Try speaking English! I take it you are a fan of Vick’s. Wonder what that’s about. Get a clue! He’s as bad a quarterback as you are a writer. Actually, he’s probably not as bad a QB as you are a writer. You are almost as pathetic as Keeping it really stupid.

By WW

April 24, 2006 12:31 AM | Link to this

I was being sincere there. But whatever, I should know better than to get on here and argue about something that does not matter anyway.

Chris, thanks for the update on the dashes. I did see those but don’t you think people can still understand what they mean or else why would I be talking about it? I’m not on a pedestal there bud. Just trying to do some clean venting on here without someone calling me something so disrespectful. Peace and happy posting guys!

By Chris

April 24, 2006 12:39 AM | Link to this

Since 2002, when Vick became a full-time starter, the Falcons are 31-18 in games he has started. That’s a .633 winning percentage. Not too shabby. How’s that for a record? That certainly means something, considering our winning percentage the 4 years prior to 2004, when their record was 30-34, a .469 winning percentage. I’d say the guy’s pretty much done his job.

By titothebear

April 24, 2006 12:53 AM | Link to this

With four years experience, Joey Harrington has passed for sixty touchdowns. With five years, in the pros, Vick has passed for fifty-one Tds. You talk as if the Foulcons have been of championship caliber since he’s been the Qb. They haven’t won any championships and they won’t with him in control. All this talk of the shoddy defense materialized after mid-season. Now, it’s all the fault of the defense. You’re putting the blame everywhere but where it really belongs and that’s on Vick’s puny shoulders. Next season you’ll have no choice but to acknowledge Vick’s culpability. He’s the problem! This time next year, you’ll be screaming for the Foulcons to move him. The truth is no one wants him now. After next season, it’s on to the Arena League.

By G$

April 24, 2006 01:11 AM | Link to this

Ya’ll all crazy

By Alex

April 24, 2006 01:17 AM | Link to this

Jeff, good article once again.

However you seem to say that the Falcons are going “nowhere” without Vick? How do you know this? Do you have some kind of crystal ball you’ve looked into? Are you so sure that Matt Shaub is uncapable of replacing Michael Vick and leading this team to the playoffs?

I know that Matt hasn’t had the chance to really show what he can do in the NFL, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of a doubt. Obviously the coaching staff here, and the GM see something in him, that makes them believe he can be a good backup to Michael Vick. Maybe you can trust their judgement. You will not get a 1st round pick for Matt Shaub alone. Most likely, Atlanta will have to package a deal, like someone else here suggested, include another player and maybe a future pick in next year’s draft. There are needs, esp. at CB or DT. However, the need for a backup QB is just as great. I don’t want the falcons season ruined if Michael Vick goes down and our backup QB is someone not on the Falcons’ roster at the moment. With Matt Shaub they would still have a chance to fight for the playoffs. He proved in the limited playing time that the offense is still good with him leading the way. I know he doesn’t bring the excitement factor to the game, or the “running abilities of Michael Vick”, but he’s efficient enough right now.

Trading the security of having a solid backup QB, when you have a starting QB who’s missed 25% of his NFL starts, is a must. In a division as competitive as the NFC South, one or two games can be the difference. I want to know that the Falcons will still be competitive in those games, if they have to play without Michael Vick.

By Taurean

April 24, 2006 01:30 AM | Link to this

^^^^^^^^ To follow up on the previous post…That may be the case that Joey Harrington Has thrown for 9 more touchdowns than Vick….But Vick has Scored more touchdowns in total and most importantly….WON MORE GAMES….so please dont compare a franchise player to someone who doesnt even know at the end of April who he is playing for in ‘07. Like my man said….Vick is the starter for the next 10 years….so like it or root for another team. GO FALCONS!!!!

By uno

April 24, 2006 01:33 AM | Link to this

Two questions…

Why trade the best QB on the team unless you’re planning to get Leinhart, Young, or Culter? If you have inside info that the Falcons are going to shock the NFL and trade up into the top 10, then your column makes perfect sense. Otherwise…well, let’s just say it makes less than perfect sense (trying to be nice.)
Since the Falcons coaching staff isn’t smart enough to start their best QB (who is merely adequate, by the way) or trade for a competent QB, then Vick’s backup is always going to be one of the most important positions on the team. As long as Vick tries to be a RB (and he doesn’t have the skills to do anything else), the Falcons have no chance — he’s going to miss games every year and be get embarrassed by playoff caliber defenses anyway — as he has proven time and time again.

Running backs get hurt. Running backs that line up behind center and look downfield at receivers (without reading defenses) get hurt even more…Good luck Falcons!

By Taurean

April 24, 2006 01:37 AM | Link to this

Some dick wrote: “Fool, Matt Schaub has done better! He threw for three touchdowns in a game and nappy-head has never done that. Vick is an awful quarterback! 8-8 was the record of the Foulcons this past season, Keeping it Real Confused. You oblivious idiots talk as if the Foulcons had a great year. If not for the defense winning three games, the Foulcons would have wound up 5-11. They were horrible and much of the atrociousness can be laid at the feet of the man with the little girl braids. Now, get a life and try to get off that rock Foo!”

                                                              I really cant take that comment serious...All I have to say is....DEFENSE IS PART OF THE GAME DUMASS....IF DEFENSE WINS ALL 16 GAMES IT DOESNT MATTER CUZ ITS A TEAM GAME....OFFENSE CONTROLS DEFENSE...AND DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS....

i swear mane….learn the game b4 u comment like that again…Schaub for Vick….HA!

Vicks won more games than Schaub has suited up for

By BLA

April 24, 2006 02:19 AM | Link to this

Just remember these two words: Brett Favre. Let’s not watch history repeat itself. Keep Schaub until you can get a magnificent package for him. Considering he has a better grasp of the offense than Michael Vick, he is more than an asset. Nobody wants Vick to go down with an injury, but if it happens Matt Schaub is more than capable of running our team. Not like the other back-up’s we’ve had in the past. I enjoy watching Vick play, but until he can grasp this offense maybe he needs to hold the clipboard and let Schaub show him how it’s done. With two starts last year this guy has developed a huge following. NFL exec’s are watching him and I wouldn’t let him go unless I get one of those ATL Hawks deals: 2 first round picks.

If anyone should be discussed in a trade it should be T.J. Duckett. Maybe someone would give us something for him. He tip’s through the hole like he’s trying out for the Atlanta Ballet.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 02:24 AM | Link to this

Schaub and Favre can’t even be discussed in the same context. That’s taking it a little too far, especially considering what little we’ve seen of Schaub. I like the guy a lot; hell, I may even get a Schaub jersey this year (get a new one every season), but I understand that Vick unquestionably gives the Falcons a better chance to win.

By BirdDawg

April 24, 2006 02:55 AM | Link to this

Some of you people are just plain terrible human beings. And you know which ones you are. Pitiful, hateful, spiteful excuses for human beings.

Not only are the lot of you illogical, your illogical and hate blinds you to the Michael Jordan of football. We have no place for people like you in the 2000’s. Go back to the 1800’s where you belong.

By Ashy Larry

April 24, 2006 02:58 AM | Link to this

I posted this on a blog a few weeks ago, and I still have not received an answer.

Last year, Vick completed 55.3% of his passes. For his career he has completed 54.1% of his passes. Vick has won about 2/3 of the games he has started in his NFL career, putting him among the league leaders.

Last year, Schaub completed 51.6% of his passes. For his career he has completed 49.3% of his passes. Schaub has won 0 of the games he has started in his NFL career, putting him at the very bottom.

Keeping in mind that not only does Vick win more games, but he ALSO COMPLETES A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF HIS PASSES, can one Vick-hater please explain to me how Schaub is a more accurate QB??

I still have not heard even one Vick-hater answer this question. The last time I posted it, my post was mysteriously ignored by all the Vick-haters, who took the time to respond to everyone else.

Until someone answers my question with stats or evidence to back it up instead of calling me an idiot or gay or something, I still believe the majority of Vick haters want Schaub to start because he is white.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 03:05 AM | Link to this

Nice post Larry. Good luck with the ashiness. And I agree with you 100%. Black QB in the South? Bad news. And I don’t recall ever seeing or hearing a black reporter or pundit declare they think Schaub should be the starter. You folks are all Blinded by the White.

By uno

April 24, 2006 03:32 AM | Link to this

Ashy Larry, I will answer your question…

See, it’s a matter of common sense…that’s probably what’s troubling you. Vick is either the worst or near the worst in terms of completion percentage in the entire NFL. For those who have seen Schaub play, he generally looks like at least a mediocre QB. Any knowledgeable football person will tell you that you can’t judge a QB based upon 1 start. So logic follows: Since it is accepted that Schaub could be an average QB if given the opportunity, and since every QB in the NFL completes a higher percentage of passes than Vick, then it is safe to assume that Schaub would also be more accurate than Vick.

It’s just basic logic, Larry. They teach classes on it for people like you. Or if you prefer the short answer…

Question: Is Schaub more accurate than Vick? Answer: Who isn’t?

(By the way, I’m not a “Vick hater”…more of a “Vick realist”. I happen to think Vick is a talented player whose salary is detrimental to the team — along with the fact that he insists on playing out of position. After 5 years, he has clearly proven that he will never be a good NFL QB. Pay him RB money, line him up behind Schaub or preferrably someone better than Schaub, and you might have another Reggie Bush if you’re lucky…unfortunately it’s too late for that. The Falcons future has been mortgaged for years to come…Go 2014 Falcons! — that’s when they’ll actually have a chance to repeat the successes of the Chris Chandler era, as sad as that sounds.)

By uno

April 24, 2006 03:48 AM | Link to this

Oh, and Chris…

The entire panel of the NFL Live show on ESPN — INCLUDING ERIC ALLEN, WHO HAPPENS TO BE AFRICAN-AMERICAN — stated just this week that they don’t think Vick will ever win a Super Bowl.

It’s unfortunate that your world is so blinded by race. You know, regardless of race, it’s really possible to think your team’s QB is not a good player…especially when all the statistical data indicates that he is, in fact, not a good player. It doesn’t take a racist to call an African-American QB who can’t play “a bad QB”. In fact, I have noticed that it is generally being accepted now in the national media that Vick has been both overhyped and overrated.

Therefore, I think your charges of racism are unfounded and irresponsible. Many of the people here who have been critical of Vick would welcome a trade for McNabb or Culpepper (if healthy) or Vince Young. Also, many of the people who say Vick can’t play are also saying right now that many of the Braves white players can’t play (just ask Reitsma or LaRoache.) Most sports fans just want to see their team win, and they are critical when an athlete isn’t getting the job done — black or white or otherwise. And when the highest paid QB in the NFL rates in the bottom third in almost every statistical category, that is the definition of “not getting the job done” in my opinion.

I’m sure your not interested in facts though, Chris…because if you were, you’d already be aware of the fact that Vick simply can’t play QB.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 03:54 AM | Link to this

There was a Chris Chandler “era”? Is that what you would call it? How about “experiment” or “Crystal Chandelier’s Magical Hospital Tour.”

By the way, having receivers who can actually catch would probably boost Vick’s completion percentage a bit. How many dropped passes have you seen from Jenkins and White (paricularly Jenkins—-not even going near Price; that’s a whole different post entirely)? He does misfire on some throws, but so does every other QB. And he’s never really had a proven QB coach to help him with things like footwork and throwing mechanics. He has that now.

You can’t teach the intangibles Vick possesses. That’s a fact; he’s great at improvising. Another fact is that you can teach (and learn) things like mechanics and defensive reads. Vick has a lot of things to learn, but at 25, he also has a lot of time to learn those things. My guess is that after another year or two, there will not be two sides to the “Should Vick start?” argument.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 04:04 AM | Link to this

By the way, I’m white. And they didn’t say they thought he wouldn’t win a Super Bowl. They said they thought Manning would win more and would win one before Vick. My world is not blinded at all by race; that was an observation made by me, a white guy who has lived in Atlanta his whole life.

Vick rates in the bottom third in every statistical category…except wins. Winning nearly 2/3 of your games is about the only stat that counts. And if you add his rushing yards and touchdowns to his passing totals, you would be surprised how many QBs he would actually rank ahead of. He’s multi-dimensional. He doesn’t have to throw for 200 yds and 3 TDs for the Falcons to win. He wins games. Nearly 2/3 of them. I’ll take 10-11 win seasons for the next 10 years. That gets you into the playoffs, my friend. That is “getting the job done,” in my opinion.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 04:16 AM | Link to this

By the way uno, from 1997-2001 (Chandler’s time in Atlanta), the Falcons went 37-43. Yeah, let’s hope we can regress back to that point. Again, 37-43. Since that time, 33-30-1. And remember, Vick only started 4 games in 2003. Throw out the 2-10 record while Vick was injured that season, and you’re looking at 31-20-1. Oh, where have you gone Chris Chandler and Tony Martin? Save us!

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April 24, 2006 04:18 AM | Link to this

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By uno

April 24, 2006 04:40 AM | Link to this

Actually, the first question was:

Will Manning or Vick ever win a Super Bowl?

The pannel agreed that Manning would and Vick would not.

The next question followed:

Who do you think will win a Super Bowl first — Manning or Vick?

At which point, the host said that he believed this question had already been answered, so he skipped ahead to the next question.

The fact is, the experts are concluding that the Falcons can’t win a Super Bowl with Vick. The question had nothing to do with his supporting cast or any of the other variables that so many of you blind Vick Worshippers use as excuses for his horrible play. When the experts are stating that Vick can’t win a Super Bowl, regardless of his supporting cast, that is not exactly a vote of confidence.

But then again, I’m sure a lot of you Vick Lovers will figure out a way to twist that into a vote of confidence…I’m thinking something like:

“Ignore all the stats, the overwhelming evidence, the expert opinions, etc…what matters is, uh, Vick’s good - I mean, uh - he’s fast. Yeah, that’s it. Intangibles! Just because Vick’s stats make him look like the worst QB in the NFL, what that actually means is he’s the best in the NFL. Confusing? Just look at his early success, I mean he actually won games with the team he inherited that was 2 years removed from a Super Bowl, can you believe that? Who else could make the playoffs with a Super Bowl team? Nobody, that’s who! And nevermind the fact that he regressed in his 5th year in the NFL when most QBs are coming into their prime — that doesn’t mean anything! Shut up, it does not! I’ve got a long list of excuses for why that happened, and none of them have anything to do with Vick’s inaccuracy or embarrassing inability to read defenses. He’s ‘the Michael Jordan of football’, reinventing the sport for bad QBs all over the world. And did I mention he’s my hero? And don’t criticism him! If you state the obvious, then you must be a racist!”

There. I saved you all a post. Now all you have to write is: Thank you, uno.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 04:47 AM | Link to this

Why do you continue to bring up stats while ignoring the most important one: wins?

1999: 5-11 2000: 4-12 2001: 7-9

Yeah, Vick inherited quite a team…Do your homework next time.

VICK WINS GAMES

By uno

April 24, 2006 04:53 AM | Link to this

Chris wrote…

“And if you add his rushing yards and touchdowns to his passing totals, you would be surprised how many QBs he would actually rank ahead of.”

Sounds kind of like a moral victory for you, Chris, but still a big loss for the real Falcons fans…What, are you happy that your boy might be considered average if you reinvented QB stats for him? Does “actually ranking ahead of some NFL QBs” justify 130 mil?

I vote “no”.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 04:59 AM | Link to this

WINS, WINS, WINS. I don’t care about his passing or rushing stats. I merely pointed that out as a rebuttal to your statement. The man wins games. If he’s not very good, as you stated, then why did the Falcons win more games in 2003 in the 4 games Vick started than they did in the 12 games he missed? I’d say he more than carries his weight.

I don’t care about moral victories. I care about football victories. That’s what Vick gives you. 2/3 of the time. WINS.

By uno

April 24, 2006 05:01 AM | Link to this

Vick doesn’t win games against decent defenses. Vick didn’t make the playoffs last year. (By the way, there are very few 130 million dollar athletes that aren’t even good enough to get his team into the playoffs.) Vick doesn’t give his team a chance to ever win a Super Bowl since any Super Bowl caliber defense will always make him look silly…you can’t win as a one-dimensional running team and Vick can’t pass.

Why am I doing this? I’m arguing with myself. I already predicted your previous response, Chris, that was a reduntant post. Let’s try again, repeat after me:

“Thank you, uno.”

By Chris

April 24, 2006 05:05 AM | Link to this

And to those who question Vick’s durability:

Yes, 2003 sucked, but people get season-ending injuries all the time. But in ‘02, ‘04 and ‘05, Vick started 15 of the possible 16 games each regular season, leading the Falcons to the playoffs in 2 of the 3 years. Those playoff trips included the first-ever victory for a visiting team at Lambeau Field in the playoffs and a trip to the NFC Championship game. Remember, Brady and NE even missed the playoffs in the ‘02 season.

By uno

April 24, 2006 05:12 AM | Link to this

The Falcons won more with Vick in 2003 than without him because he was better than the alternative. Is that all it takes to justify 130 mil as the Falcons QB? To be better than your backup? Man, are the Falcons hiring?

In my opinion, a QB that makes 130 mil should be better than anybody else in the leauge (since a team must effectively bet its entire future on one player with that kind of salary.) The fact is, the stats, the experts, whatever objective information that you want to look at — everything says that Vick is barely mediocre after 5 years in the NFL, and the Falcons have no chance at winning Super Bowls for the next decade.

I am doing you a favor, Chris. Don’t get your hopes up…unless those regular season victories from years past are enough to carry you over for a LONG time.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 05:13 AM | Link to this

“By the way, there are very few 130 million dollar athletes that aren’t even good enough to get his team into the playoffs.”

ARod couldn’t get the Rangers into the playoffs, and he makes nearly double Vick’s salary. I guess by your rationale, ARod’s not a very good baseball player, right?

And saying he can’t perform against good defenses is silly. I guess he’s just had the good fortune to play against bad defenses 2/3 of the time then. What a lucky guy.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 05:23 AM | Link to this

Vick’s salary is an investment. He’s only 25, and you make it sound as though he’s past his prime and hasn’t gotten the Falcons anywhere. He’s done plenty already, and he’s just getting started. I defy you to name a QB of some stature who had realized his potential at 25. Most are still sitting the bench in only their 2nd pro season. Vick has experience and a GREAT WINNING PERCENTAGE already under his belt.

If you are not happen winning 2 out of every 3 games, something is wrong in your brain. If making the playoffs 2 out of every 3 seasons (assuming he’s healthy) isn’t good enough for you, you haven’t been paying attention to the NFL very long.

And the Falcons haven’t mortgaged their future for him. His deal is actually set up to not swallow a huge portion of the salary cap. There is more than enough $ to go around, especially with the ratification of the new labor deal.

By keeping it REAL !

April 24, 2006 05:25 AM | Link to this

Pass rushing we look good . Run stoper still weak . before hartwell went down as for stopping the run we did not look that good . still need that big body with speed and skill in the middle of the defense and a good conner with cover and run stopping skills.The offense line has a huge hole in it. The offense guard, center, and tackel are all huge needs . #61 and #62 the time has come and now is for them to be GONE! We need skill people up front who can do both pass and run block. Schaub is a good back up. Letting go only if we get better parts to help the team. Sockley whould be a steal and also P.J. Danial to.U.S.C.has some of the best offense guard and tackel in the draft.

By uno

April 24, 2006 05:25 AM | Link to this

If A-Rod played in a sport with a salary cap and his salary accounted for a grossly disproportionate amount of the team’s cap space…And considering that he has not exactly been a cluth player by any means…yes, you are right. I wouldn’t want him on my team. Whatever you gain from him in the regular season, it will all be negated by the roster sacrifices you make for his salary and his postseason choke-jobs. (Of course A-Rod is actually much more talented as a hitter/3B than Vick is as a QB…I’m playing along since you brought it up.)

I think you might be catching on, Chris! My work here is done for the night!

By Chris

April 24, 2006 05:31 AM | Link to this

No point trying to argue with someone who ignores the 1 statistic that really matters. I can’t believe you refuse to acknowledge that Vick’s winning percentage proves that he is a good QB. Can’t say anything else. That’s all that matters. Why such denial?

By UGA 72

April 24, 2006 05:36 AM | Link to this

Mike Vick is a better passer than he’s shown with the Falcons. He completed over 64% of his passes at VT where he has receivers who would actually catch the ball when it hits them in the hands, chest, head, or gut. If you guys who are all over Vick would check the Falcons have led the world in dropped passes, so give him a break. If the Coaching staff ever recognizes that catching a pass is better than always kissing the Coach’s butt, then Mike Vick will get the credit for being a good Passer, as well as the Great Athlete.

I’ve lived a lot longer than some of you folks, and I’ve never seen a player with Mike Vick’s skills, he really is once in a life time talent.

By Ed

April 24, 2006 05:43 AM | Link to this

Does anyone remember Chris Miller’s backup back in ‘91? It was some guy that goes by the name of Brett Favre. The Falcons traded Favre away thinking just like they do now about Schaub. Schaub has the potential to be Favre-like, so why trade him? Because Blank threw $130M Mike Vick’s way. God knows I love Vick and the confidence he brings to the Falcons, but I can see his talent being wasted like that of Jeff George. George had loads of talent. He had the arm. He had the stats, but he didn’t have the wins. I would just hate to see in a few years time Schaub leading his new team into a Super Bowl and eventually ending his career as one of the best quarterbacks ever to play the game over a bad $130M investment. I say keep Schaub, and give Vick at least six games into the schedule. If Vick hasn’t shown any progress into their version of the West Coast offense, bring in Schaub.

By uno

April 24, 2006 05:46 AM | Link to this

Already, that winning percentage you love to sight is on the decline…last year was not an abberation. I seriously doubt at the end of Vick’s career, anyone besides you, Chris, will be celebrating those early years when Vick actually made the playoffs. (By the way, do you still celebrate the early years of Kordell Stewart too?) Unfortunately, defenses have caught up with him, and he is clearly regressing. He will be remembered as the greatest bust (in relation to his salary) in the history of sports.

But I have no doubt that Chris will be there in the end saying…

“Yeah, but before he lost 2/3 of his games, he won 2/3! I don’t care if he’s 35, legs gone, and he still can’t pass or read defenses…one day he’s going to realize his potential! It usually takes 17 years to master the West Coast Offense!”

I’m afraid you’re in for a long wait, Chris.

By Patrick S.

April 24, 2006 05:46 AM | Link to this

Been a while since i’ve posted hehe, wonder if Cafaro is still around? haha

Anyway i couldn’t help but add my two cents, Chris don’t even try to debate with people like Tito, Uno, WW. They are unreasonable, the have their opinion and they will try to shove it down anyone else’s throat.

W do you know what that equals WW, Tito, Uno? I think not, when Vick went down in the preseason in ‘03, the team started off 2 and 10. Let me make that clear TWO victories, TEN defeats. When Vick came back mind you with the same team around him that Johnson had around him they went 3 and 1. Yes that’s THREE victories, and ONE defeat. Give me all this garbage about “vick was just better than johnson but that doesn’t mean that vick is good” junk. Are you trying to tell us that if we had Peyton Manning or even better Tom Brady on our team that they would make this team soo much better? Hah i would love to see Manning or Brady planted on their back all the time while still trying to come back from a 20+ point deficit all the time cause the defense was aweful all year last year. The O line didn’t pass block well last year and everyone could see that, the defense couldn’t stop anyone running at all last year, while they actually did better in pass defense than the year before, but since the D could never get off the field cause the rock was getting pounded down their collective throats all the time eating up the clock giving the offense less time to score points. Tell me this, how many games did we actually win the time of possession last seaons?

I’m not going to say you Uno, WW or tito are clueless i’m sure you have to have talent in at least one area, and are smart about something, even though i couldn’t possibily imagine what that could be.

Lay off fans trying to discuss, go take your anger out somewhere else, or lighten up. And Tito i know you aren’t a falcons fan, i believe from what i’ve seen of you your a panthers fan, if so go to their blogs and boards and stop instigating here.

I’m out, i’ll try to post more often, i just stopped for about a year cause there was too much drama between this blog with Cafaro, and also the braves blog with Cafaro and Carroll.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 05:50 AM | Link to this

Putting Schaub and Favre in the same context is laughable. The only comparison is that they both played backup QB for the Falcons. For every Favre, there are many more Grazianis, Johnsons, and Kittners. And with the very little we’ve seen of Schaub, even attempting to compare him with Favre is ridiculous. And talking about Schaub ending his career (before it’s even begun) as “one of the best quarterbacks ever to play the game”…where did you get this? What makes you see that in him? So should we hold onto every player, even if the guy starting in front of him is better, just because there’s an outside chance they may develop into one of the best ever at their position?

George had the stats but didn’t have the wins. Vick has the wins but not the stats. Guess which one I’d rather have…

By Patrick S.

April 24, 2006 05:58 AM | Link to this

I just don’t understand the obsession with “pretty” passing stats, you know every week when the regular season is going on, i believe it was fox or cbs would point out 100+ yard russing games by teams and 300+ yard passing games, and always every single time they pointed out that the teams that rushed for 100+ yards in a game won 3/4 of those games. The simple fact is the more you pass most probably means your behind in score, and TOP. Our teams is the best, yes the BEST rushing team in the league, that allows us to win more games. Guess what? Vick while not only adding to the rushing total himself, opens up lanes for Dunn/Duckett to run thru cause defense have to spy on Vick, PERIOD.

Let me ask you “Vick realists” this, when the Ravens won the superbowl a few years back, did Trent Dilfer… Yes that TRENT DILFER win that game? or for that matter even GET THEM TO THAT GAME? no, it was their DEFENSE that put them in that position, and thier DEFENSE that won that game, just try, please try to argue that one with me.

When was the last time we had a defense like that? oh that’s right NEVER, and btw did we average scoring 23 points a game last year? i believe we did, and if our defense would have been in the top say 15 in the league we would have been in the playoffs. Argue that one with me.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 05:58 AM | Link to this

Right on Patrick. Haven’t been here long, but glad you’re back. I like logical people that actually exhibit sane reasoning. I believe I said just about everything you did above somewhere, but it all falls on deaf ears.

By RC

April 24, 2006 06:05 AM | Link to this

I don’t understand the AJC’s obsession with getting rid of Schaub….talk about idiot philosophies…..

Here’s an idea….trade J. Shultz and the other guy who proposed to trade Schaub in a package deal for one young reporter with promise……oh never mind, we’d never get any takers.

By uno

April 24, 2006 06:06 AM | Link to this

When will the Falcons have the kind of defense that can carry them to a Super Bowl, Pat? When they get rid of that 130 mil dollar anchor, that’s when. Because they sure can’t afford to build a great defense now. This isn’t logic Chris, this is pure fantasy. If you pay the QB 130 mil, you better be a great offensive team…which the Falcons will never be with Vick.

You were right to compare Vick to Dilfer though. If Vick made the same salary that Baltimore paid Dilfer, then he might actually have some value.

By Patrick S.

April 24, 2006 06:06 AM | Link to this

Chris i agree i like people that actually put some thought into what they say and try to use their inteligence that was god given, but some just want to argue for argument’s sake, it’s fine to have your own opinion, but jeeze just cause we don’t agree don’t try and force it on me or anyone else. I’m not a vick hater or lover, i love this team, do i like Vick? yes, why? cause he give my team it’s best possible chance to win, given our personnel,i think Peyton Manning or Tom Brady would stink up the joint completely. I mean Manning was throwning the ball to himself right? Marvin Harrison had nothing to do with his passing stats right? and Harrisson isn’t the “only” weapon he has around him either, Ed. James had nothing to do with the fact that he could us Play action right? Whatever………….

By uno

April 24, 2006 06:09 AM | Link to this

…Or I should have said, if Vick made Dilfer money, the Falcons would have a better chance to win in spite of him.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 06:13 AM | Link to this

So Vick’s salary prevented us from getting 2 safeties and a stud of a DE this offseason, right? Vick’s salary doesn’t allow us to have 7 Pro Bowlers on defense, right? Do you even think about things before typing? I’d love to see you try to carry on an oral conversation. I’ll bet that’s hilarious.

By uno

April 24, 2006 06:22 AM | Link to this

Pat suggested that the Falcons should simply follow the Baltimore model…build one of the greatest defenses in the histoy of the league — so that you are able to overcome a below average QB. Easy, right?

Chris, if you really think the Falcons off-season additions are going to produce another Baltimore type defense, you are dumber than you sound already. I’ve heard of fanboys, but this is getting ridiculous.

By geechee

April 24, 2006 06:22 AM | Link to this

Someday I know I will disagree with you because I disagree with so many at this paper but this ain’t the day. Trade the guy and get a first round pick. They already make money money if they do since he was a third round pick to begin with. They can then pickup DJ Shockley in third, fourth, or maybe even fifth round. DJ could basically run almost the same offense as Vick if Vick goes down whereas if Schaub comes in the O has to adjust to a different style which never works.

By uno

April 24, 2006 06:27 AM | Link to this

Okay, Chrissy Fanboy, I’m calling it a night. You and Pat can hash it out from here on. I fully expect one of you to have come to the conclusion by morning that Vick is God, and I am clearly going to hell for doubting his all-powerful skills.

Don’t disappoint, Chrissy…I’m looking forward to more laughs tomorrow.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 06:39 AM | Link to this

No one will ever give the Falcons a 1st-rounder for Schaub. Not unless Vick misses the entire season and Schaub throws for 4,000 and 35, with a 13-3 record and a Super Bowl berth. It’s ridiculous to think we would get that from any team.

By Patrick S.

April 24, 2006 06:59 AM | Link to this

Uno, i never suggested the falcons should have a Ravens type defense circa i believe 2002. I never said anything about vick being comparable to vick, what i was trying and i do stress trying since you have such a thick skull, is that it’s a “team” game. And for the falcons Vick has already made the “team” better, otherwise those who actually make football decisions for the falcons wouldn’t have paid him, and i trust their insight much more than your so called “expert insight.” And also Despite of our leaky defense in all of Vick’s years of starting, he has won 2/3rd’s of his starts, try and dispute that with me, and try and tell me how a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning would fare behind our O-Line please tell me genius. Vick wins because he brings more than those silly pass happy fantasy league stats, he does anything and everything to win period, not to say that tom brady or manning don’t but i just don’t see them standing long enough behind our O-Line to put up those fantasy league passing stats, and anyone reasonable would see that as well.

Chris don’t worry about Uno, he is just an antagonist that loves to see his thoughts in print on a blog, to boost his ego. And that’s the BOTTOM LINE…………

By Mont

April 24, 2006 07:22 AM | Link to this

The Falcons as a NFL football team are in the business of winning games and being a consitent contender. Vick, just is not a fit with that objective in the QB role. Saying that Vick will “never” be replaced is like doing something unmentionable in one hand and wishing in the other…rubbing your hands together and seeing what you still have all over your wishes. Go Falcons

By p

April 24, 2006 07:28 AM | Link to this

If the falcons were offered a 1st and 3rd or multiple picks, sure trade him.

but other than that, why would you weaken a weak position on the falcons?

By Chris

April 24, 2006 07:29 AM | Link to this

Vick doesn’t fit? Winning 2/3 of your games and taking your team to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years (excluding injury-shortened 2003) doesn’t constitute winning? What exactly then, Mont, are your definitions of “winning” and “fit”?

By Joseph

April 24, 2006 07:30 AM | Link to this

Jeff,

SHUT UP!

By titothebear

April 24, 2006 07:52 AM | Link to this

Chris,

My definition of winning is having a record where wins outnumber losses. The Foulcons did not have that in 2005. They won’t have that in 2006 either. The Foulcons will be 3-13. Cry and moan and make all the loud noises you want. It won’t change a thing! The only thing that could change it would be to get rid of the non-talent Vick and replace him with Schaub or someone else who can pass effectively. Vick is terrible and his stats prove it. Joey Harrington is now out of a job because of his ineffectiveness. Harrington passed for sixty touchdowns in four years. Vick has passed for fifty-one in five. I’d take harrington over Vick. I’d certainly take Schaub over Vick! Vick is a loser and the Foulcons will be really big losers with him in 2006.

By Zinte

April 24, 2006 08:02 AM | Link to this

O-Line, O-Line, O-Line. Can’t stress it enough. Sadly, because Michael Vick is a Black man & has a “Black” game and being a 130 million dollar player is too much for some of these bloggers to fathom. All these comparisons to Peyton are weak. Why? Just how many super bowls has the platinum child won in Indy? The exact same amount that Vick has. What’s worse is the platinum child has had all-pro weapons to work with. Spare me the garbage about how they played in NE in Jan. Even when NE was OUT of the playoff picture guess what: #18 STILL couldn’t Git-R-Done. The Falcons need good pass-blocking linemen and DB help. If Vick doesen’t throw for 5,000 yds and 50 touchdowns SO WHAT? If you can’t convert a 3rd & 8 w/the game(meaningful)on the line then you can take your wet dream fantasy stat monster(#18),go back to Knoxville and relive the Citrus Bowl stats he racked up THERE. Falcons, get linemen first. Hopefully, Vick WILL get to a Super Bowl before #18 despite the NFL’S/ESPN’s SHAMELESS attempts to get him there(does anyone REALLY think these rules changes to protect QBs[DBs can’t jam on the line anymore, hits below the waist on QBs]were implemented to protect VICK?? Uh, no. Who knows,maybe #18(and his DADDY) will get the NFL to change/add ANOTHER rule to protect him. Win ONE ring;platinum child and THEN you can rise above Vick. Until then keep piling up those impressive(but HOLLOW)stats in that glorified Run-N-Shoot offense you play in(it keeps ESPN/fantasy geeks/NFL busy).

By Jason

April 24, 2006 08:12 AM | Link to this

Who is smoking crack here? Vick is a loser? You people are all insane if you think the Falcons would be better of with Shaub instead of Vick. Vick has done nothing but win since he has been in the league, and more often than not with less than average talent. Wake up!!!!!! Shaub is a backup for a reason…he has won how many game in the NFL. Remember our facination with Doug Johnson, Kurt Kitner? Without Vick the Falcons are nothing, irrelavant. With Vick, they are a winning team 66 % of the time, constantly on ESPN and a force that opposing defensive coordinators have nightmares about. STOP TH VICK BASHING!!! Enjoy one of the geatest quarterbacks of our time.

By titothebear

April 24, 2006 08:15 AM | Link to this

Zinte, is that a new Malt-liquor drink? Thanks for the racial overtones. Real class, fool. Vick is the twenty-eighth best Qb in the league. That is a fact and you know that. By the way, Manning’s team was a winner and went to the playoffs. Vick’s was mediocre and did not and Vick is the reason why. Save the bling stuff for those more easily impressed.

By titothebear

April 24, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this

Jason,

We all enjoy the twenty-eighth best quarterback of our time, Mike Vick. Stay off that rock, fool!

By Mark

April 24, 2006 08:20 AM | Link to this

Everybody puts so much emphasis on M. Vick that it makes me sick. This is not a one man team you know. Trade M. Vick and get a QB that will blend in with the team. Remember that their eleven men out there, NOT ONE. We need to have a decent back up because Vick will go down again.

By Mungo Jerry

April 24, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

I have a question for the pathetic jock-sniffers who worship at Vick’s throne.

You know, the clowns who keep bringing up Schaub’s 0-2 record as a starting QB.

With a trip to the playoffs on the line, what was Vick’s record in the final three games of the 2005 season?

Bonus question: How many TDs did Vick and the offense score in those three games?

One more question: How much are Blank and Vick paying Schultz to carry their water?

By WW

April 24, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

Chris, can you bring up anything besides this 2/3 winning percentage? We all know winning matters, what’s the point of playing pro sports otherwise? You’ve said it 331 times already. Has it crossed your mind that just maybe the Falcons won despite Vick? Maybe the defense was a big part of that? Just wondering if that has crossed your mind.

All of you talk about the OL not blocking, etc. and I know some of that is truth but…

Defenses know what Vick does and most of the time (although he is learning to and the OL was horrible last season) Vick does not stay in the pocket which makes it even harder for someone 150-200 lbs. heavier to move around and block for someone with speed like Vick’s.

But the BOTTOM LINE is…

Vick best utilizes his talent when he scrambles outside the pocket, no doubt, but the guy just cannot throw the football, period. We’ve already seen that over the past few years. He has no touch on the football and read defenses to audible at the line of scrimmage. Give him this year and let’s see what happens. Excuses are out the window. We have the defense and a decent offense. Let’s see what happens. Go Falcons!

By Keep it fake

April 24, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this

WW, I am sorry for the language I used in response to your post last night. But let me say this:

Uno and titothebear are both f—king a-sholes. How dare you compare Vick to Joey Harrington based on f—king TD passes. Harrington has never lead the Lions to the playoffs, has he? But of course if Vick had more TDs and no playoffs, you’d bash Vick b/c he’s not a winner. F—k both of you.

I could have been your father, but the dog beat me into your mom’s bedroom.

By mountain_jim

April 24, 2006 08:35 AM | Link to this

Some of you need to get a life - those with 20 or more posts in here particularly…

The Vick haters can spew all they want for now, the TV talking heads can stir it up all they want for now, but my money says Vick shuts all of you up this year with a great season due to the improvements in QB coached fundamentals, play-calling and scheming changes, and more time to develop timing with his raw receivers.

Just come back to these blogs after next season and admit what idiots you were - I will be waiting to hear from you.

mj

By Rufus T. Shyne

April 24, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this

I like to waches ole mick vike run aroun like a chikkin wit his hed cut of. He run this way an that an then he throw the bal and God kno wher it gona goes. He ain much good but he look good. Thas the mose impoorant thin.

By robert

April 24, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this

Once again you show your ignorance when it comes to football. Now wonder the falcon front office never talks to you guys. Look , bottom line,. the kid is cheap. He cost nearly nothing to keep as far as quarterbacks are concerned. Is he a winner? Who knows . What we do know is he can execute the playbook . There is as much doubt about him as any backup QB. And to boot he is worth just as much next year as he is this year.If his stock falls next year he still has payed big dividends in the salary cap for this organization. And for all you draft trade freaks out there, let me ask you this. How much cap space are you willing to waste on a number one pick that may or may not have an impact on your team this year, not to mention the money its going to cost to bring in a backup that can execute a playbook and read defenses in the NFL, just so you can hear your name called in the first round. Thank you Mr. McKay for saving us from these idiots that call themselves sports writers. Its nice to have a front office who doesnt waste there time talking to these boneheads and runs the organization like a first class staff. I look forward to seeing our new prospects that you guys are working on in the later rounds. Im sure we will have some nice suprises. Oh and P.S. I bet none of them will have the name D.J.

By Schaubfan

April 24, 2006 08:42 AM | Link to this

The bottom line is that Vick is injury prone. The team needs a quality backup, like Schaub. Heck, he could be starting for several NFL teams right now. Schaub proved last season that he can come in and put the falcons in place to win games. Don’t just give him a third and long and expect him to make things happen. Schaub is a smart QB and the teams trusts him.

Don’t get me wrong. I like Vick. But the team needs to get away from putting its weight on ONE player. Vick tends to get hurt and it is worth keeping Schaub for another year to fill the role when it happens.

By Good News

April 24, 2006 08:42 AM | Link to this

Now that this Schaub controversy have been finally sorted through, it makes absolutely good sense to make the trade and upgrade especially on defense. As one would say, “think long, think wrong”. The risk is worth the return for the 2006 seasons. History have proven, defense wins championship as well as makes contenders out of pretenders each year. When in doubt, secure your team with a solid defensive unit. Just look at Pittsburgh, Chicago, Carolina and Tampa who won with a dominate defensive unit last season. Falcons could have (Pitt) and should have (Chi, Car, Tampa) beaten those teams with a respectable defensive unit. This year, there are a lot of good defensive players available on the draft board, and if the Falcons hopes to contend, especially winning home-field advantage, they will need a strong defensive unit to match-up in their division and conference. Falcon fans, let’s stop thinking like pretenders and trade Schaub for a 1st round pick to secure the defense and rock the dome. This is a no brainer……If Vick goes down or not, the season can only be salvage with a strong defense, not a backup quarterback or even a healthy Vick to secure home-field advantage for the playoffs. Even with the recent offseason moves, the Falcons are still missing one or two valuable pieces on defense. Let’s make the trade and secure the 1st round draft pick on defense. Falcons in 2006!!!

By robert

April 24, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

Once again you show your ignorance when it comes to football. Now wonder the falcon front office never talks to you guys. Look , bottom line,. the kid is cheap. He cost nearly nothing to keep as far as quarterbacks are concerned. Is he a winner? Who knows . What we do know is he can execute the playbook . There is as much doubt about him as any backup QB. And to boot he is worth just as much next year as he is this year.If his stock falls next year he still has payed big dividends in the salary cap for this organization. And for all you draft trade freaks out there, let me ask you this. How much cap space are you willing to waste on a number one pick that may or may not have an impact on your team this year, not to mention the money its going to cost to bring in a backup that can execute a playbook and read defenses in the NFL, just so you can hear your name called in the first round. Thank you Mr. McKay for saving us from these idiots that call themselves sports writers. Its nice to have a front office who doesnt waste there time talking to these boneheads and runs the organization like a first class staff. I look forward to seeing our new prospects that you guys are working on in the later rounds. Im sure we will have some nice suprises. Oh and P.S. I bet none of them will have the name D.J.

By Breast Milk is better

April 24, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

I cannot believe some idiot is using the ESPN NFL show to predict Vick’s 2006 campaign. Merrill Hodge has had way to many concussions to think clearly. Do you trust anyone who thinks Matt Leinert is a 2nd rounder at best? That’s what he thinks, and if you disagree with that, then you cannot put any stock into what he says about Vick. Eric Allen has no clue. None.

By David

April 24, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

Ok, I happen to agree disagree. We HAVE to have a backup this year and Bryan Randall isn’t the answer. Our backup may have to play 3 or 4 or more games. The Falocns area year away from going to the SB. We do NOT have the OL yet to win it all, so tak ethe step up this year, draft a CB and OL, and NEXT year we get a 1st AND a 3rd for him so we’ll have two first rounders. And Schultz is completely wrong comparing Schaub to Mitchell and Gary Hogeboom, come on this guy could’ve won the Heisman had it not been for a poor supporting cast and injury his senior year!! Be patient, McKay knows what he’s doing.

By wes

April 24, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

Trade Schaub for a late 1st rounder if possible. Pick up Joe Hamilton from the Arena Football League as Vick’s back-up.

Agreed?

By wes

April 24, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

Trade Schaub for a late 1st rounder if possible. Pick up Joe Hamilton from the Arena Football League as Vick’s back-up.

Agreed?

By Hernandos

April 24, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

But now who’s going to pass the ball?

By w. r. smith

April 24, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

If trading Schaud will improve the starting 22, than do it. If you could get 2 seconds for him you could improve two positions that will actually be playing in a game versus having a good backup on the bench who will not be playing most games. If you invest in some offensive linemen to protect Vick, the chances of needing a backup quarterback are reduced.

By Pat

April 24, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

Trade Schaub? Trade Vick!

By RC

April 24, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

I do not hate Vick, he is one super talent, BUT, how many titles has he (or his team) won at any level? I think he should be switched to receiver/athlete ala Hines Ward. He shows no/little hope of ever developing all around passing skills….no touch IMO….so why not use him where he could best help the team?

By woodenmike

April 24, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

LMAO! Vick is a Quarterback, and he is a starter, the problem is, HE ISN’T A WINNER. I doubt Vick will last ten more seasons in the NFL. “They need a guard, a tackle, a center — anybody who can give Vick more than two seconds to think.” Vick could have 2 minutes to think, and it wouldn’t help. I’m not a Vick “hater”, just an observer who thinks the Falcons could do better than Vick, and worse than Schaub. If you want to trade anybody, trade Vick, while he’s still fooling a few GM’s. Good Luck.

By Carl

April 24, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

I would love for us to look in our own backyard and get D.J. Shockley. We let too many of our home-grown “NFL All-Stars” get away. D.J. is very accurate, versatile and athletic. That is a combination of Vick and Schaub. If Vick goes out, for whatever reason, we don’t have to change our whole offensive schemes. D.J. brings a lot to the table. I like Schaub but I think Mckay will use him to sure up our OL. Thus far, I must give the organization a B+ for off season transactions.

By steve

April 24, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

As long as Mike Vick is the QB, the offense will remain “dumbed down”. Mike Vick cannot handle anything complicated. The lack of complxity showed in his “choke” performance against Tampa bay last year. The Falcons best bet, trade Vick for many draft choices (remember Jimmy Johnson built a SuperBowl team when he traded Hershal Walker for draft choices). Matt Shaub can run complex offenses that will win games. Mike Vick will sell tickets but never win a championship.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

“LMAO! Vick is a Quarterback, and he is a starter, the problem is, HE ISN’T A WINNER.”

How exactly does a career .633 winning percentage not equal winning? Are you using some other definition of word with which I am not familiar? Cause here on Earth, that IS winning. More often than not.

By STFU

April 24, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

All you Vick haters p** me off so much. Lets just trade him and go back to the way the franchise has always been. A bunch of F*#%ING losers.

All you Vick haters, though I hardly expect you to admit it, know that your heart stops every time he gets hit or flies through the air like a real fu*&ing falcon. For a split second you think OH SH^&, Please don’t let him be hurt. We can’t win without him. That is your natural reaction, and you know it. But after a few hours you revert back to the whole Vick sucks mantra, and you go get on the message board spewing your AntiVickite propaganda.

Andruw Jones sucks too.

By Curt

April 24, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

Anyone remember Rob Johnson? The can’t miss back up for Mark Brunell in Jacksonville who parlayed one great fill in start into millions of dollars from several organizations who fell in love with his potential?

Matt Schaub seems like a nice guy. He has played admirably in the spots he has started but let it be noted he hasn’t won yet. His value will never be higher than it is right now and with the Falcons lacking a first round pick, now is the time to move him. He might go on to be Tom Brady, but it won’t happen here anyway. Plus he is a free agent at the end of the year and you risk getting nothing for the guy. The window is closing and the Falcons need to do whatever they can to keep it open.

By Marc

April 24, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

Vick stinks. He will not be around for years because he will be injured to much. The sooner the better for the Falcons

By Carl

April 24, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

“This isn’t to suggest Schaub will not be a solid starter one day. But he is not there now. He may never be there. He is a pack of seeds. He may end up resembling the picture on the front, or he could turn into this fall’s weed patch”. You can say the same about any first round pick you can get in a trade. And by saying Schaub is 0-2 is way too simplistic. That says NOTHING about his ability. Vick is our starter, but if he goes down and Schaub is somewhere else, we have NO chance!

Anybody remember Brett Farve??? ‘Nuf said!

By xmann

April 24, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

This Blog never ceases to amaze me. Most people on this blog want nothing to do but show how they can call each other names and get the other people to fall for it.The fact is that I don’t care who is at QB, if you score an avg of 24 pts a game, you should win more than 8 games.The one person who knows what he is doing(McKay) has addressed the needs of the team(Defense) and is still looking to make more moves.

By Mont

April 24, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

Chris you left out consistent. The definition of winning is winning consistently enough to be in the playoffs and winning playoff games. One of the two playoff seasons you mentioned the Falcons needed the help of other teams just to get there and barely made it. They were eliminated in the first game by? yes…Cleveland. Vick is a gifted athelete and has a place with the Falcons or another team. He just doesn’t fit as a starting QB in the NFL. An objective opinion shared by many.

By Carl

April 24, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

Trade Vick? If you trade Vick, you would have to trade half of the offense sense it is designed around him. I believe that we are 2 or 3 players from the Super Bowl. With the OL that we have now, Matt Schaub would be on injured reserve after 3 games. Lets fix what’s broke. Atlanta was willing to go through an 8-8 year but we are not willing to go through a rebuilding year.

By Carl

April 24, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

Way to fight the good fight Chris, but you and I both know that now matter how many game we win with Vick, there are plenty of folks that won’t be happy until he is either benched, traded or bleaches his skin.

By Moore Cowbell

April 24, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

Vick/Shaub haters, niether one of these guys wins games, DEFENSE wins games. It doesn’t matter who the quarterback is, if the defense doesn’t dominate they don’t go to the Super Bowl. You can get to the Super Bowl with an average QB, see Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Matt Haselbeck, et al, but not with an average defense, see Steelers, Ravens, Patriots, Bucs, et al. A strong defense makes an average quarterback so much better by giving him good field position and more chances to score. After a good defense, you must be able to run the ball to open up lanes in the passing game. It doesn’t matter who plays QB, if we don’t dominate in those areas you aren’t going to advance in the playoffs.

Vick gives you greater options under this scenario since he can throw the ball a mile and can outrun a jackrabbit, however Schaub would suffice if the defense dominates. I would trade either for an impact CB or LB. You can’t trade Vick though because of his salary. Nobody can swallow that under the cap and we can’t swallow the amount we would need to move him. If you can get an impact player on Defense or a dominant O-lineman for a backup QB, you do it, no questions asked. When we are beating teams 35-6, because we have the ball all day, Vick will look like Steve Young. What happens if Vick gets hurt? If you have a dominant defense, Ty Detmer can win a 9-6 game.

By Sid

April 24, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

Yes trade Schaub before he becomes a free agent and we get nothing for him!! Bottom line trade him!!! before the falcons got Vick attendance 55k a game with Vick season ticket waiting list!!! enough said!!!

By Insane Falcon

April 24, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

I posted the following on another blog and I believe it is worth repeating in this crazy debate.

Let me start by apologizing for such a long blog but some of you are clueless.

What continues to amaze me is that people are willing to discard a pro bowl player for someone that hasn’t even proven his worth in the National Football League. And as far as Schaub being able to run the west coast offense more efficiently, how can anyone make that statement when he has rarely played and defensive coordinators have not game planned for him (Trust me, there is a world of a difference when teams watch film on you and prepare for you). Matt hasn’t even started consecutive games (let alone, win a game) and yet everyone is hailing him as the next coming of Brett Favre or Joe Montana. Question: How many of you actually follow professional football to make such statements?

Here are some clues for you: CLUE 1: If DC’s and players indicate that Michael Vick is the most dangerous player in the league, then shut up. CLUE 2: Am I mistaken, or hasn’t the Falcons made the playoffs 2 out of the 3 years in which Vick has started the entire season (2-2 playoff record). CLUE 3: I hate to regurgitate from previous blogs but I must. In four games last year, the Falcons scored 24 points and lost (the defense was an issue). Had the Falcons won those games, we are in the playoffs. Vick started 3 of those games. Here are his combined numbers for the aforementioned games: 676 yds passing - 6 passing TDs - 0 interceptions; 104 YDs rushing - 1 TD - - QB rating (each game) 104.8 ,99.2, 108.9.

I have made this statement before and I am going to make it again… When you have an immense talent, you wait that talent out… You don’t give up on it. Particularly if the guy is young. What you hope for is that the player will eventually get it (that it will click). Here is a baseball example that is close to home: Andruw Jones - Everyone wanted to get rid of him (because he smiled when he would strike out). Despite the fact he was averaging 30 HRs and 100 RBIs, as a center fielder. I repeat as a center fielder (not a power position). And let us not forget, he was winning consecutive gold gloves. Bobby Cox, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, and John Smoltz all mentioned Andruw Jones in their success. But everyone was calling for him to be jettison from the Braves. During JD Drew’s one year in Atlanta, people were even blogging about resigning and moving him to CF. What idiots!!!!!!!!!!! Last season, it finally clicked for Andruw. Now everyone loves him. But guess what, the boy was young and it took time for him to get it.

I say all of this because Michael Vick is only 25 years old. And no matter what he does, some of you will hate just to hate. When he has a bad game, you are on here slamming him but when he has a good game, you are quiet. So here is some sound advice, get another team and cheer against the Falcons.

By RealTalkATLstyle

April 24, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

Micheal Vick: Week 11(Nov 20)-TAMPA BAY(Lost)27-30——QBR:99.2…..Comp/Att:21/38 Yards:306….Y/A:8.1..Long:54…INT/TD:0/2..Rush-ATT/Yds:4/17…PerCarry:4.3Long:13yrds

Matt Schaub: Week 5(Oct 9)-Patriots(Lost)28-QBR:112.1…..Comp/Att:18/34 Yards:298….Y/A:8.8….Long:53….INT/TD:0/3….Rushing yards:2

Now Tell me again what makes Shaub the second coming of Jesus and Vick a slob?

When given the opportunity Both of these QB’s can put up numbers, however at this point, Vick has the winning percentage to go along with the possibilities for these numbers.

Shaub may prove to be a solid QB in this league. Vick has proven that he is a Solid QB and superior athlete in this league.

Put a solid line in front of him and a system that maximizes his MANY talents and He becomes even more feared than ever before…..This is RealTalk

And as for Matt, I wish him all the best and I hope he does get the chance to shine in the spotlight, with another time. And I hope he doesn’t become the bust that Doug Johnson did.

By Jack

April 24, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

Jeff, as usual you got the cart in front of the horse. It should be trade Vick because you can get a load for him.Vick is not a Quarterback. Vick is a running back playing quarterback. The odds on a Vick injury are high and his chances of ever being a good quarterback are not good.

By William Kitchens

April 24, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

Chris and MJ I’ll slow it down for you since the meaning of my statement was misunderstood.

There… won’t… be… anyone… on… the… the… draft… board… at… 17… who… can… start… for… the… Falcons… in… 2006… that… can’t… be… taken… later.

The 17th pick in this draft might start for another team, but not for Atlanta. There are not enough high impact players where we have needs that will be there at 17. Our needs will be met in the second round picks unless we really move up.

By dirk

April 24, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

OK I,m not a Falcon fan nor am i a Michael Vick fan I am a Steeler but I live in Atlanta so I do watch A LOT OF fALCON Football it,s the right move to trade Schaub now. He may be a good QB one day I don,t know and Know one else does eather. It stands to reason if you have a QB like Vick who plays on the run and you have your whole offence built around his style of play why would you not go out and get a QB with the same style of play and there are a lot of them out there P.S VICK IS NOT A GREAT QB HE HAS A LOT OF TALENT. The problem with the Falcons is hold on to your seat Keith Brookings and know one says a word about it but if you could see the film on Brookings you would see what i,m talking about he can,t get to the ball please look at the game evry team that ran the ball ran it up the middle get rid of brooking and you are on your way to the super bowl like us the super bowl champions Pittsburg Steelers

By JT

April 24, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

The fact is this: with Vick’s reckless, go-for-broke style, he is bound to get injured. Schaub is good enough that he could win a couple of games while Vick the stud is nursing injury. I understand the wanting to get better, and the Dirty Birds have done that by bringing in two Pro Bowl performers in Milloy and Abraham, and an up and coming player in Chris Crocker. The reason for last year’s atrocious season was the DEFENSE. However, in today’s NFL, no one player is untouchable, and if the correct package came along, such as a first round pick with some middle rounders thrown in, plus a player that could contribute immediately, then fine, trade him. Until the front office gets that offer, which they haven’t and they won’t, Schaub will be wearing the red and black number 8 jersey.

By Adam

April 24, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

I think Matt is an outstnading backup, but I agree that we should use his high standing to acquire a defensive back that can pay now.

By Greg from Marietta

April 24, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

After reading all these blog entries, I don’t know who is the biggest moron; Jeff Schultz, the idiots that agree with him or me for wasting 20 minutes. I guess it was me. However, I have learned one very important thing, and that is, that there are a lot of people that know absolutely nothing about what it takes to run a football team. If, as they say, ignorance is bliss then there must be a lot of blissful people out there.

By James

April 24, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

Why would ANYONE defend TJ Duckett?!?! Did none of you watch him run last year? He tiptoes through the tulips like he were in a minefield. He’s softer than Grant Hill in the fourth quarter of a playoff game. Pansy! Suzan, you need to start vacuuming.

By Ryder

April 24, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

Insane Falcon, on behalf of all Falcons fans who truly appreciate this team finally putting the pieces together to become a winner, thank you.

I hope each and every one of you take a long look at this post. Study it, learn how to write and present your arguments with proper English and common sense. I know that may be difficult for many of you because you live in the South, but hopefully you can keep up.

Regard;ess of who is the Quarterback of this team, it won’t matter if there is not an upgrade on the offensive line. That is where championships are won.

By Jeff

April 24, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

William Kitchens, you are wrong.

Jimmy Williams may be available at 17. He won’t be available later. He would certainly replace Webster by mid-season. Same can be said for Tye Hill, Jason Allen and Antonio Cromartie. Davin Joseph is another player that could be starting by week 8. He won’t be availbale much later.

By DGUNN

April 24, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

I agree whole-heartedly. The Falcons have so many holes it is ridiculous. We should trade Schaub for any boby that can help especially O-line. Throw in TJ Duckett with the deal he is very expendable.

By ga.swamper

April 24, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

All I have to say about Mike Vick is… “remember the Chicago game last year.” No heart, no team commitment, and I don’t even think he has his teams respect anymore, imo

By falcon guy

April 24, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

While I agree that the ultimate goal of the Falcons should be to get something for Schaub before he can walk away a free man, I don’t think trading him now is a must. He has one more season (2006) under his rookie contract (which means he’s a bargain) before he can become a RESTRICTED free agent. That means the Falcons can take steps to ensure that any team interested in Schaub would be better served to trade for him, than try to sign him outright. They can make him offers that are prohibitive, or they can use one of the “tags”, either franchise or transition, to get something back for him. There’s no need to panic and trade him now. Despite what Schultz thinks, the Falcons need a game ready backup, because Vick will miss time. Whether that’s 1 quarter or 4 games is unknown. But the suggestion that the season is over if Schaub has to play is ridiculous. Remember, he put 300 yards and over 30 points on the Patriots. The fact that the Falcons lost, was not at all Schaub’s fault. In fact, had it been Ty Detmer or Bryan Randall in that game, it would have been an absolute a* kicking. And no matter how great your QB is, you never know when you’ll need your backup for a few snaps. Even Tom Brady’s storybook career, might never have materialized as it has, had it not been for a steady relief appearance from Drew Bledsoe in the AFC title game against the Steelers back in the 2001 season. Who knows if he would have been graced with his current golden boy status if he hadn’t won that 1st super bowl. But the bottom line is that without a definitive replacement for Schaub, the Falcons will need him this year. But I expect the Falcons to look for another QB gem in the 3rd or 4th rounds to make it easier to part with Schaub in the offseason.

By Ed

April 24, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

I do understand that Matt Schaub will not replace Vick as a starter here. But I am one of those fans that think a quarterback like Schaub is better than Vick for the Falcons. I have gone to every regular season and pre-season game since Vick and Schaub have been in Atlanta, and when Schaub runs the offense everyone on the field seems more in tuned with what the offense is acutally trying to accomplish.

I agree, trade Schaub for a first rounder, because he will never play here. I don’t agree with the long term starategy with Vick at quarterback, but only time will tell who is correct in that argument.

By Landlord

April 24, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

What’s the deal with all of the Vick Haters? The bottom line is…The guy is a winner!! You can take all the stats you want…but the fact is do they WIN! Let’s see..Peyton Manning had a great receiver, and great back, and O-line. They also had a much improved defense last year!! However, last time I checked…Peyton Manning and Mike Vick has the same number of Super Bowl wins…So..does that make Manning any more a winner then Vick? Considering the ultimate is winning a Super Bowl!! Btw..for those who want to compare 1 playoff game in Chicago, and how Vick performed…go back and check Mr. Mannings record in the championship games!!

By Pat

April 24, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

If Vick is so good then how come we done have two winning seasons in a row? I admit the guy is talented and can run with anyone out there, but he is not a good QB. Have he return kicks or punts or even put him at wide receiver.

By falcon guy

April 24, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

While I agree that the ultimate goal of the Falcons should be to get something for Schaub before he can walk away a free man, I don’t think trading him now is a must. He has one more season (2006) under his rookie contract (which means he’s a bargain) before he can become a RESTRICTED free agent. That means the Falcons can take steps to ensure that any team interested in Schaub would be better served to trade for him, than try to sign him outright. They can make him offers that are prohibitive, or they can use one of the “tags”, either franchise or transition, to get something back for him. There’s no need to panic and trade him now. Despite what Schultz thinks, the Falcons need a game ready backup, because Vick will miss time. Whether that’s 1 quarter or 4 games is unknown. But the suggestion that the season is over if Schaub has to play is ridiculous. Remember, he put 300 yards and over 30 points on the Patriots. The fact that the Falcons lost, was not at all Schaub’s fault. In fact, had it been Ty Detmer or Bryan Randall in that game, it would have been an absolute a* kicking. And no matter how great your QB is, you never know when you’ll need your backup for a few snaps. Even Tom Brady’s storybook career, might never have materialized as it has, had it not been for a steady relief appearance from Drew Bledsoe in the AFC title game against the Steelers back in the 2001 season. Who knows if he would have been graced with his current golden boy status if he hadn’t won that 1st super bowl. But the bottom line is that without a definitive replacement for Schaub, the Falcons will need him this year. But I expect the Falcons to look for another QB gem in the 3rd or 4th rounds to make it easier to part with Schaub in the offseason.

By uup115

April 24, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

“Matt Schaub will never be the Falcons’ starting quarterback. Never. The Falcons have too much invested in Vick in salary, marketing and all things related to identity. That is not going to change.”

Great! we have a marketing mascot as our QB. funny how nowhere in this article does he emphatically state who is a better QB, but he does let you know who sells tickets.

By Ed

April 24, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

I do understand that Matt Schaub will not replace Vick as a starter here. But I am one of those fans that think a quarterback like Schaub is better than Vick for the Falcons. I have gone to every regular season and pre-season game since Vick and Schaub have been in Atlanta, and when Schaub runs the offense everyone on the field seems more in tuned with what the offense is acutally trying to accomplish.

I agree, trade Schaub for a first rounder, because he will never play here. I don’t agree with the long term starategy with Vick at quarterback, but only time will tell who is correct in that argument.

By GA Girl

April 24, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

For all the Vick haters out there… I see the arguements about his stats or winning percentage, and all your supposed “truths” about his skills. The actual TRUTH is that if Peyton Manning had the same OL covering him that Vick does, the Colts would have been lucky to end the season 8-8.

No matter what kind of passser or athelete you are, you cannot run an offense or even complete a pass while your back is tackled to the turf!

In a game against the Colts an announcer stated that “Vick is down for the 9th time today… Has Manning been down 9 times all season?”

By Jordan

April 24, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

Bottom line keep Schuab. Tampas Jon Gruden said if he had Vick he would design a whole new offense around him. The Falcons don’t have the imagination to create the plays to best showcase him. Vick looked to me like he was lost at the end of the year. If I coached the Falcons I would turn their backfield into a track meet with Vick, Hall, Rossum and Schuab in all at the same time on some plays. The falcons are too predictable and did anyone else notice they can’t run a screen play to save their life?

By Ed

April 24, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

Vick is sacked so many times because he couldn’t read a defense with a book on tape. GOOD Quarterbacks get rid of the ball, when the other team uses a blitz defense….Ours just runs around trying to make a big play. And he does 1 times out of ten. It’s just the other nine that turn out ugly.

By Super Elf

April 24, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

Better IDEA-TRADE VICK-Get another QB and a position player and maybe a draft pick-Schaub could be another Favre if given the chance. VICK is not the QB to get the Falcons to the Superbowl. He is not Donovan MCNAbb and he is not Doug Williams. A QB with time to throw is better suited for this team. Vick is a halftime/highlight show.

By bob

April 24, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Who do you want for backup??? Marcus Vick!!!!!

By Pat

April 24, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

The Falcons don’t have a team the have Vick. It’s like Kobe Bryant and the Lakers. As for the Vick to Manning comparison……..LOL! How about this for a comparison……….. Peyton Manning 67.3 Cmp% 3747 yds. 28 TD 10 int. 104.1 Rating Mike Vick 54.1 Cmp% 2412 yds. 15 TD 13 Int. 73 Rating. I don’t need to mention the wins vs. losses.

By bob

April 24, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

Who do you want for backup??? Marcus Vick!!!!!

By ForDaBirdz

April 24, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

I am so sick of the Vick haters. You guys don’t even know enough to play football on your Playstations.

Look, Vick doesn’t have numbers as good as some other QB’s, that is true. But LOOK AT THE TEAMS THOSE OTHER GUYS PLAY WITH!!! If the Falcons get a good O line, and improve on defense, and get a good RB to spell Dunn more than Ducket is able to do now, Vick will suddenly become the Superstar and all of you will then jump on the bandwagon and talk about how you knew it all along.

No QB can be great without a great offensive line and a good defense to keep the other team from scoring. The Falcons are OH SO CLOSE, I can smell Super Bowl from here. I have loved the Birds since their first season, suffered through pathetic season after pathetic season, and now, when they are finally a competitive team and are showing signs of becoming a great team, all of you want to remove the one thing that has got us in this position???

I have just one word for all of you…IDIOTS!

By "D" in Houston

April 24, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

First, I want all Non-Falcon fans to stop posting on this website….see Tito(idiot!) Vick wins. Period. Not the way most want him to, but he still wins. I say we trade Schuab and get Vick the protection he needs so the need of a backup is a non event. If he has protection, he is less likely to get hurt. Plus, your telling me there’s not 1 QB with NFL experience on the market………I think not! I live 1000 miles away and still and always will love my Falcons…..See you in New Orleans on Sept 25th!!!

By Sportsgirl

April 24, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

GREAT COLUMN…..The truth shall set you FREE!!

By Lee

April 24, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

When Schaub was drafted ya’ll said it was a terrible pick. And you were wrong. When Schaub was called up to play in place of the injured Vick, you said he wouldn;t be able to play well. And you were wrong.

Schaub lost his two games, not because of a lack of offense, but because of a lack of defense. The Falcons sucked last year, because of a lack of defense. Sorry AJC, but you are wrong again.

By ForDaBirdz

April 24, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

OH, one other thing, for all of you who say Vick is not the QB for this team, let me make some suggestions of QB’s for you…

Chris Miller Pat Sullivan June Jones Randy Johnson Bob Lee

Need I say more????

By Cee Pot

April 24, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

This is hilarious. I find many of these comments obsurd, while others are somewhat intelligent. That fact of the matter is Vick is NOT a good QB. Vick has the ability to scamper around the backfield and make wonderful plays, however how many of these out of the pocket scampers have actually turned into something good? I would bet my kids education that it is less than 5. Secondly, everyone keeps talking about Vick will learn, Vick is young… The fact is that Vick is STUPID. Vick has no intelligence whatsoever and therefore will not be able to EVER read defenses the way a Super Bowl QB needs to. Until Mckay and the rest of Atlanta gets out of Vick’s STD a* then the Falcons will not come close to the Super Bowl. There are too many better teams that will eat the Falcons for Brunch. Another thing, I don’t think its very good when an entire city holds their breath everytime a QB runs out of pocket in hopes he doesn’t get hurt. Vick is as fragile as fine china.

Im not saying that Schaub should start, because his ability has not been proven, yet.

By Landlord

April 24, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

My sentiments exactly GA Girl. I think we both agree…I pretty much implied the same thing in my post!!

By paul

April 24, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

It burns me up to hear people say ridiculous things like Arthur Blank only cares about money. What an ignorant thing to say. We all ought to thank our stars we have an owner like Mr. Blank. IMO he is the #1 owner in the NFL. I will leave the Schaub decision to the soon to be Commissioner of the NFL, Rich McKay. The Falcons have a great organization from top to bottom and from someone who has been following the Falcons for 40 years that is saying ALOT, believe me.

By 2N4YEARS

April 24, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

Trade Schaub? You might be on to something. I understand the importance of having a good back-up, but I think someone like Shockley would be better suited for that role. The guy’s very mobile & has the smarts (only 5 interceptions all of last year). Yeah, so what if he backed up David Greene for 3 years? Greene IS the winningest QB in the History of College Football! You can’t exactly pull a QB to start someone else with that kind of proven game-winning skills! And the reason why Shockley didn’t do as well when he came into the games the other 3 years? Because he was in a totally different offensive scheme, just like Schaub is in the current Falcons offence. Shockley would be better suited for this offence, which may be the reason McKay is showing interest in Shockley. Get Shockley & give him a year to learn the offence & Schaub will be traded next year. This is probably what McKay is thinking.

By 2N4YEARS

April 24, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

Trade Schaub? You might be on to something. I understand the importance of having a good back-up, but I think someone like Shockley would be better suited for that role. The guy’s very mobile & has the smarts (only 5 interceptions all of last year). Yeah, so what if he backed up David Greene for 3 years? Greene IS the winningest QB in the History of College Football! You can’t exactly pull a QB to start someone else with that kind of proven game-winning skills! And the reason why Shockley didn’t do as well when he came into the games the other 3 years? Because he was in a totally different offensive scheme, just like Schaub is in the current Falcons offence. Shockley would be better suited for this offence, which may be the reason McKay is showing interest in Shockley. Get Shockley & give him a year to learn the offence &Schaub will be traded next year. This is probably what McKay is thinking.

By RA

April 24, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

Jeff, you’ll have to forgive us for being a little gun shy about letting a quality backup QB go. We did that a few years back. Guy’s name was Brett Farve. Gee, I wonder what happened to him… (That was sarcasm by the way.) And for those of you that don’t think that one or two wins by a backup could make or break a season, think about the difference between having a bye week for the first round of the playoffs and having to play Tampa Bay on the second week after having barely survived Dallas during the first. Oh it makes a difference. Aside from the “he could come back and bite you in your rear” factor,there’s also the fact that with the style of play that Michael Vick plays, we need a quality number two back as an insurance policy. Now, some people don’t think that Atlanta can win big without Vick. I don’t know, but I do know that if your team is designed to depend on the availability of one player, you’ve set yourself up to fail.

R.A.

By Dean

April 24, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

I must agree that William Kitchens is clueless. “no one available at 17 who can start for the Falcons” That is a joke. There are three offensive lineman that will be available at that pick that could start immediately-Winston Justice and Eric Winston will be available at that time. I don’t think any corner or safety would start immediately. J. Williams, T. Hill, and Cromartie probably would start eventually but not at the beginning. There is no doubt that they could get a lineman that would definitely start early on.

By dancehouse

April 24, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

First, I think Vick is a tremendous QB. (I can’t stand all the Vick haters). Second, keep Schuab. Great QB’s need great backups. You can’t win w/out depth. Remember Doug Johnson. Who wants that situation to develop again.

By dancehouse

April 24, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

First, I think Vick is a tremendous QB. (I can’t stand all the Vick haters). Second, keep Schuab. Great QB’s need great backups. You can’t win w/out depth. Remember Doug Johnson. Who wants that situation to develop again.

By Ashy Larry

April 24, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

Uno says: “…Or I should have said, if Vick made Dilfer money, the Falcons would have a better chance to win in spite of him.”

Uno says: “By the way, I’m not a “Vick hater”…more of a “Vick realist”.”

The stats say Vick wins a higher percent of his games than nearly every other NFL QB.

So in other words, the fact that Vick has proven himself to be a winner in this league is not enough for Mr. Uno, who thinks that Vick’s presence will actually hurt the team’s chances to win. Oh, but let’s get something straight, he’s not a “hater” by any means, he’s just a “realist”. Well my realist friend, let me explain something to you. Being a realist involves being in touch with reality. And reality states that Vick has one of the highest winning percentages in the league. In other words, if you are gonna make a suggestion that Vick’s presence actually hurts the team’s ability to win while the evidence slaps your suggestion in the face, you are in fact no longer a realist, but a hater.

Now let me take the time to examine your absolutely ridiculous attempt at an answer to my question:

First of all you say every QB in the NFL completes a higher percent of their passes, which is not true. Vick is near, but not at the bottom of the league in that category — Kerry Collins and Eli Manning are both below him. I don’t see anyone calling for Manning’s head, or would you be doing that if you lived in NY?

Then you drop this gem: “For those who have seen Schaub play, he generally looks like at least a mediocre QB. Any knowledgeable football person will tell you that you can’t judge a QB based upon 1 start. So logic follows: Since it is accepted that Schaub could be an average QB if given the opportunity, and since every QB in the NFL completes a higher percentage of passes than Vick, then it is safe to assume that Schaub would also be more accurate than Vick.”

Does it not occur to you that by saying Schaub would be more accurate than Vick, YOU IN FACT ARE JUDGING SCHAUB BASED ON ONE START???? He has started one game, and that leads you to believe that he would be more accurate than Vick. You are violating your own statement that you can’t judge a QB based on one start. Judging a QB based on one start is what wrecked our 2003 season, when we placed our team in the hands of Doug Johnson, whose resume at the time at least included a WIN, unlike Schaub.

In other words, not only did you insult me twice in your post, not only did you answer my question with an idiotic, rhetorical question, but you also contradicted yourself in the process. Nice try Uno, better luck next time.

By dancehouse

April 24, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

First, I think Vick is a tremendous QB. (I can’t stand all the Vick haters). Second, keep Schuab. Great QB’s need great backups. You can’t win w/out depth. Remember Doug Johnson. Who wants that situation to develop again.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

2 things:

Schaub and Farve should not even be mentioned in the same sentence. Just stop it.
Schaub will walk away for nothing at the end of the year? Do you people even know how free agency works in the NFL? Schaub is a restricted. The worst return we would get if he signs with another team is a 3rd rounder. He could fetch as high as a 1st AND 3rd, depending on what the Falcons tender him. Do some homework, people.

By dancehouse

April 24, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

Falcons fans have always hated on their starting QBs. Vick, hated. Chandler, hated.

Vick is a great QB and shouldn’t be hated. It’s not his fault he didn’t have any receivers his first couple of years.

Chandler was a tremendous player too but didn’t have an OL to protect him. No wonder he couldn’t make any passes.

Being a great QB is about more than how good the QB is. You need pass protection and recievers that can catch.

By JohnS

April 24, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

(1) Where is Kordell Stewart these days? (2) Move Vick to running back, teamed with Dunn. And watch him run East-West! But can he gain the yardage that Barry Sanders did running that way? (3) Trade T. Duckett for an other QB. Phillip Rivers? (4) Move Schaub to the first team; or Rivers to first team. (5) QB ratings in 2005: Vick - 73.1; Schaub - 98.1

By Ashy Larry

April 24, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

Uno says: “By the way, I’m not a Vick hater …more of a Vick realist.”

Uno says: “…Or I should have said, if Vick made Dilfer money, the Falcons would have a better chance to win in spite of him.”

The stats say: Vick has one of the highest winning percentages for any starting QB in the NFL right now.

In other words, Uno’s claim that the Falcons would have to win in spite of Vick’s presence flies in the face of all the evidence since Vick became a starter. Here’s a little secret Uno: In order to be a “realist”, you have to be in touch with “reality”. When you make a claim that clearly contradicts “reality”, you are no longer a “realist”… which leads me back to considering you more of a “hater”.

Now on to Uno’s ridiculous attempt at answering my question:

First of all you say “every QB in the NFL completes a higher percentage of their passes than Vick”. This is not true — although Vick’s completion percentage is near the bottom of the league’s starters, Eli Manning and Kerry Collins completed a lower percentage of his passes. Last I checked they are not exactly calling for E Manning’s head in NYC, or would you be doing that if you lived there too?

But that’s beside the point. Let’s look at your response: “For those who have seen Schaub play, he generally looks like at least a mediocre QB. Any knowledgeable football person will tell you that you can’t judge a QB based upon 1 start. So logic follows: Since it is accepted that Schaub could be an average QB if given the opportunity, and since every QB in the NFL completes a higher percentage of passes than Vick, then it is safe to assume that Schaub would also be more accurate than Vick.”

Does it not occur to you that by saying “it is safe to assume that Schaub would also be more accurate than Vick”, YOU ARE JUDGING SCHAUB BASED ON 1 START! I guess that would make you… not a knowledgeable football person? The Falcons have some experience with this “judging players based on 1 start” thing — it’s why Doug Johnson entered the 2003 season as our primary backup and ended up starting most of the 2003 season. The difference between Johnson and Schaub is that Johnson actually WON the one start he had in Vick’s relief the previous season.

So to summarize, Mr. Uno, not only do you insult me twice in your response, not only do you attempt to answer my question with an idiotic rhetorical question rather than any actual facts or evidence, but you also CONTRADICT YOURSELF IN THE PROCESS. Nice try Mr. Uno, have a good day, and better luck next time.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

2 Things:

Schaub and Favre should not even be mentioned in the same sentence. Stop it. For every Favre, there are countless Grazianis, Johnsons and Kittners. Remember when people went Johnson-crazy after he won the first game in 2003?
Schaub will NOT walk away for nothing after this season. Do you people even know how free agency works in the NFL? He is a RESTRICTED free agent. The lowest return we would get for him if he walks is a 3rd rounder; the highest return (based on what we tender him) is a 1st and 3rd. Do some research if you don’t know these things already (which you should, if you’re trying to carry on this debate)

By Ashy Larry

April 24, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

Uno says: “By the way, I’m not a Vick hater …more of a Vick realist.”

Uno says: “…Or I should have said, if Vick made Dilfer money, the Falcons would have a better chance to win in spite of him.”

The stats say: Vick has one of the highest winning percentages for any starting QB in the NFL right now.

In other words, Uno’s claim that the Falcons would have to win in spite of Vick’s presence flies in the face of all the evidence since Vick became a starter. Here’s a little secret Uno: In order to be a “realist”, you have to be in touch with “reality”. When you make a claim that clearly contradicts “reality”, you are no longer a “realist”… which leads me back to considering you more of a “hater”.

Now on to Uno’s ridiculous attempt at answering my question:

First of all you say “every QB in the NFL completes a higher percentage of their passes than Vick”. This is not true — although Vick’s completion percentage is near the bottom of the league’s starters, Eli Manning and Kerry Collins completed a lower percentage of his passes. Last I checked they are not exactly calling for E Manning’s head in NYC, or would you be doing that if you lived there too?

But that’s beside the point. Let’s look at your response: “For those who have seen Schaub play, he generally looks like at least a mediocre QB. Any knowledgeable football person will tell you that you can’t judge a QB based upon 1 start. So logic follows: Since it is accepted that Schaub could be an average QB if given the opportunity, and since every QB in the NFL completes a higher percentage of passes than Vick, then it is safe to assume that Schaub would also be more accurate than Vick.”

Does it not occur to you that by saying “it is safe to assume that Schaub would also be more accurate than Vick”, YOU ARE JUDGING SCHAUB BASED ON 1 START! I guess that would make you… not a knowledgeable football person? The Falcons have some experience with this “judging players based on 1 start” thing — it’s why Doug Johnson entered the 2003 season as our primary backup and ended up starting most of the 2003 season. The difference between Johnson and Schaub is that Johnson actually WON the one start he had in Vick’s relief the previous season.

So to summarize, Mr. Uno, not only do you insult me twice in your response, not only do you attempt to answer my question with an idiotic rhetorical question rather than any actual facts or evidence, but you also CONTRADICT YOURSELF IN THE PROCESS. Nice try Mr. Uno, have a good day, and better luck next time.

By Chris

April 24, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

This is ridiculous

By Ashy Larry

April 24, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

just testing this posting thing… it keeps giving me an error message

By JohnS

April 24, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

(1) Where is Kordell Stewart these days? He was a running QB. (2) Pair Vick with Dunn at TB/RB and watch him run East-West. Can he gain as many yards as Barry Sandes? Continue paying Vick $100M+. (3) Trade Duckett for Phillip Rivers. (4) Put Schaub or Rivers on the first team. (5) QB ratings from 2005 season: Vick - 73.1; Schaub 98.1

By Ashy Larry

April 24, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

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By JohnS

April 24, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

(1) Where is Kordell Stewart these days? He was a running QB. (2) Pair Vick with Dunn at TB/RB and watch him run East-West. Can he gain as many yards as Barry Sandes? Continue paying Vick $100M+. (3) Trade Duckett for Phillip Rivers. (4) Put Schaub or Rivers on the first team. (5) QB ratings from 2005 season: Vick - 73.1; Schaub 98.1

By JohnS

April 24, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

(1) Where is Kordell Stewart these days? He was a running QB. (2) Pair Vick with Dunn at TB/RB and watch him run East-West. Can he gain as many yards as Barry Sandes? Continue paying Vick $100M+. (3) Trade Duckett for Phillip Rivers. (4) Put Schaub or Rivers on the first team. (5) QB ratings from 2005 season: Vick - 73.1; Schaub 98.1

By Corey

April 24, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

Even though I am not a Falcons fan, I do believe that if Schaub was the starter you guys would make it to the playoffs. Not to bash Vick, but I think that he is a better athelete than he is a quarterback.

P.S. You guys should look in your backyard because it has produced a few Super Bowl winners lately.

By Ashy Larry

April 24, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

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By falconfanfromdayone

April 24, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

Well, go ahead and trade Schaub, but the Falcons are going to need a proven backup for “Vick the china doll”

By Landlord

April 24, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

My sentiments exactly GA Girl. I think we both agree…I pretty much implied the same thing in my post!!

By William Kitchens

April 24, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

Jeff… if Jimmy Williams is on the board at 17th and the Vikings offer Atlanta their pick for Schaub, then you have to take it. I just don’t think Williams will be there at 17. That is simply the point I’m trying to make.

By falconfanfromdayone

April 24, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

Go ahead and trade Schaub, but the Falcons will need a proven backup for Vick the china doll!

By William Kitchens

April 24, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

Jeff… If Jimmy Williams is on the board at 17 and the Viking want to Schaub for their pick, then we would almost certainly want to make the trade. I just don’t believe Williams will be there at 17.

By William Kitchens

April 24, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

Jeff, If Jimmy Williams is on the board at 17 and the Viking want to Schaub for their pick, then we would almost certainly want to make the trade. I just don’t believe Williams will be there at 17.

By Landlord

April 24, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

OK..Mr. Pat….nice stats….but let’s look at this one… Super Bowls: Vick = 0 Manning = 0 What’s your point? I’m sure you don’t have one. To all of the Vick haters..is it possible that you need a combination of Offense, Defense and Special Teams to click on all cylinders to win a super bowl? If you’r Mr ALL-Everything Manning can’t win a superbowl with what he had..what does tht tell you..maybe he’s not THAT great a QB either?

By Chris

April 24, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

No more posting?

By aaron ayers

April 24, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

If the Falcons actually want a chance to win it all they will have to do it with Matt Schaub at QB. He is the prototypical NFL QB, 6’4” 225lbs and can move, not like Vick but def in the top echelon of mobile QBs. Also, lets not forget that he was a 4 year stater at UVA where he ran the West Coast offense to a T, becoming the ACC’s offensive player of the year his Junior season. He has shown flashes of brilliance in the pocket when Vick is hurt, which Im sure will continue to happen.

Vick should be used as a WIDE RECIEVER. Put him out there one on one vs a CB and catch the ball down field. Vick has to beat 11 people when he scrambles from behind the line of scrimmage, but he only has to beat 2 maybe 3 people if he catches the ball in the secondary. He is a second rate QB but a heck of an athlete. Mark my words, the Falcons will not win it all if Vick remains at Quaterback.

By aaron ayers

April 24, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

If the Falcons actually want a chance to win it all they will have to do it with Matt Schaub at QB. He is the prototypical NFL QB, 6’4” 225lbs and can move, not like Vick but def in the top echelon of mobile QBs. Also, lets not forget that he was a 4 year stater at UVA where he ran the West Coast offense to a T, becoming the ACC’s offensive player of the year his Junior season. He has shown flashes of brilliance in the pocket when Vick is hurt, which Im sure will continue to happen.

Vick should be used as a WIDE RECIEVER. Put him out there one on one vs a CB and catch the ball down field. Vick has to beat 11 people when he scrambles from behind the line of scrimmage, but he only has to beat 2 maybe 3 people if he catches the ball in the secondary. He is a second rate QB but a heck of an athlete. Mark my words, the Falcons will not win it all if Vick remains at Quaterback.

By Ashy Larry

April 24, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

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By Hy Anenzede

April 24, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

Good article Jeff.

Some of you wiser than me explain this. If Vick is injured in a game due to what seems to be the consenus opinion, a poor O-line, how is that situation going to change when any other QB comes in, especially one who is not as elusive as Vick?

In other words, how is the back up going to keep from getting injured as well?

I agree with your “Fixing the starting team should be a higher priority than keeping a backup, particularly when the backup hasn’t proven anything.” comment 100% Jeff.

Give Vick what he needs to lead the team to success. I have a very strong feeling that Schaub will not be a Falcon after Saturday.

For what it’s worth, I am not a Vick Hater, a Schaub hater or any combination of the above. I am a Falcon fan and have been one since some center/linebacker from the university of Texas chose Atlanta over the Oilers because he wanted to play in the NFL.

By Shiney

April 24, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

NO WAY SHULD FLACONS TRAYED SCWAUB CUZ VICK IS KNOW GOOD AT PALYING QB VICK SHULD PLAY WR OR RB GET RID OF DUNN AND HAVE DUCKET PALY FB AND BLOCK FOR VICK I TRYD THIS ON MY MADDEN GAME AND IT WROKS ME BLANKS DO NOT TRAYED SCAWAUB

By Shiney

April 24, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this