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By Hunk Erdown

April 6, 2006 10:29 PM | Link to this

Maybe Poor old Barry could get Cynthia Mckinney to come stand by him and hold his hand through all of this.

By BirdDawg

April 6, 2006 10:33 PM | Link to this

Willie McCovey is an idiot.

Yeah, Bonds is getting hate mail because he’s black.

He’s black who’s cheated in order to break a record held by another black man.

So what do you call that, McCovey, black on black crime? Or black on white on black crime? Or white on black on black crime?

How about we call it what it is: a nation of baseball fans fed up with the McGwire’s, the Bond’s, the Giambi’s, etc.

You know something, South Park had it right when they had an episode about steriods a couple of years ago. Timmy, the disabled kid and his friend Jimmy were in the special Olympics, and Jimmy started to take steriods to win all the events. And he did. Then, after winning everything, and getting his award from McGwire, Bonds, and Giambi, he had a change of heart, and stood up in front of everyone and admitted his cheating. He said his records should be erased, as should the records of everyone who has used steriods to cheat (the camera then pans to McGwire, Bonds, and Giambi), and then he calls everyone who does a steriods a p@$$y. A big p@$$y (the camera the pans the CHEATERS again, as Jimmy basically calls them each a p@$$y a bunch of times).

That’s what this is about. Willie McCovey, you’re an idiot with your head buried in the sand. The man you’re protecting is lying, cheating, no-good, so and so who has brought everything on his own shoulders by his actions… by his cheating.

The chickens have come home to roost, Barry Bonds, and there’ll be hell to pay. Just go away, and leave this record to one of the greatest ballplayers and gentleman ever, Henry Aaron.

By ron

April 6, 2006 11:11 PM | Link to this

i can’t even address you with the respect of using a “sir” name due to the criticism you’ve heaped on mr.bonds the last week.i’ve supported you when it appears the entire kkk has written and attacked you on every personable level imanigeable.their comments most of the time was not even related to whatever the article you were writing.

By Young Jeezy

April 7, 2006 12:49 AM | Link to this

BirdDawg is right. There’s plenty of racism in the world right now, too much of it. Go to the Falcons blog if you want to see some subliminal racism. Yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh. But hating Bonds for cheating is not included. I mean maybe if he wasn’t a complete a* to everyone for 20 years before he was revealed as a steroid user he would receive more sympathy. Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. The biggest proof of this is the other future Hall of Fame home run hitting outfielder, Ken Griffey, who gets nothing but love from everyone. It’s not too far-fetched to think that if he stays healthy for another 6 or 7 years that he could hit 700 homers. I don’t hear anything about him getting so much hate mail about how he’s a cheater or whatever. Yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh. Why? Because he’s a good guy who didn’t take steroids. Bonds is getting what he deserves, make no mistake.

By p

April 7, 2006 06:31 AM | Link to this

i agree. mccovey is an idiot.

do us all a favor, moore. never mention aaron and bonds in the same article. there is no comparison.

By King 3-B

April 7, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this

I must echo Young Jeezy, if the Cheater hadn’t been such a butthole for the past 20 years there probably wouldn’t be the hate mail aspect concerning his possible passing of the Greats: “Babe and Hank”.

As a Black American, I don’t believe race has as much to do with this whole affair as some would like to think. The comparison to Ken Griffey is a prime example.

Bonds is a cheater and cheaters should never prosper. It sends a bad message to our children.

I think all the pitchers should make a pact to NOT pitch to him for the rest of his career. The exception would be, if not pitching to him would cost your team a trip to the post season. But you certainly would not pitch him anything he could actually handle.

Just a thought.

By Penn

April 7, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this

“You guys don’t even know the half of what Barry is going through,” said McCovey, shaking his head, glancing at a spot on the floor. “You saw what Hank Aaron went through (while chasing Babe Ruth’s record), so you can imagine what Barry is going through.”

RACIST!!!

By A Fan

April 7, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

I’m not saying that Bonds is innocent, but people forget that there were just as many pitchers taking steroids as hitters. I still believe that stats are stats and they should not be erased.

Tom house, former Braves player, has been quoted admitting the steroid use in the 60’s and 70’s. He did not name names but he said players would take anything including steroids for animal use.

The first known reference to an anabolic steroid was in a letter to the editor in Strength and Health magazine in 1938. So chances are they were in baseball before the 60’s.

So who knows which records are tainted.

And if there were as pitchers taking steroids as hitters, then who had the advantage? Which stats do you erase? The pitchers’ or the hitters’?

People always refer to the weight gain and the fact that Bonds is still doing so well at 40 years old. Well, every player fills out as they get older. And Nolan Ryan pitched until he was 48, and Clemens is 44. WHy not question them.

I was 6’1” and weighed at most 170 lbs in high school. I’m 32 now, and I am 6’2” and weigh 230 lbs. Now granted I’m not in the best shape, but I am not fat either. I have a full time job and resposibilities that take time away from working out as much as I would like. But for professional athletes, working out is there full time job. So they can work out 8 hours a day. In the 30’s through the 60’s and part of the 70’s, MLB players did not make enough money so they had jobs in the off season. There weren’t personal trainers then either.

Now, don’t get me wrong, I know there was a steroid problem in baseball. And I’m glad MLB is testing and suspending players aho are caught. But not everybody that has played in the last 25 years took steroids.

And as much as I think Bonds has been an a*******hole in the last 20 years, he is innocent until proven guilty. This is America. And the new books that have come out have not presented any new evidence. If the FEDS could not nail Bonds, then how is MLB supposed to. In fact, soem of the info in those books have already been found to be wrong. The alleged conversation with Griffey was shot down by GRIFFEY himself. People just hate Bonds and they make sh!t up all the time. And there is some race involved in this too. Because Bonds is a lefty and Babe holds the record for a lefty. Nothing is being written about McGwire.

By OldTimer

April 7, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this

Aaron received hate mail becuause he was black. Bonds receives hate mail because he’s an arrogant cheat. Plain and simple. As for Willie Mays he’d love to see Bonds break Aarons record. Mays and Aaron never did got along with Mays being the darling boy of the press. For a long time (in the early 70s) it was Mays or Reggie Jackson that was pegged to take Ruth down, not Aaron. Mays never got over that. If Mays can’t be the home run king he’d at least like it in the family. Blood is thicker than water. McCovey’s going to say whatever Mays does. Nothings changed there.

By Dan

April 7, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

You should be heartened by Barry’s “ordeal” I agree with oldtimer Aaron was judged by the color of his skin Bonds by the content of his character (or lack thereof) Aaron was hounded by racists barry is the racist, he is quoted as saying ruth had it easier because he is white, yeah a white kid who grew up in an orphanage at a time when that was tantamount to being on the street or wors. Barry on the other hand is the arrogant son of a rich ballplayer, who was known for his surliness way back in highschool, to compare his “troubles” to aarons is to belittle aarons

By brewerfaninATL

April 7, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

A Fan: You are way off when you think people just hate Bonds and make stuff up all the time. Remember, HE is the one who started this s**t storm, not us or the media. He has had a huge chip on his shoulder his whole life, or at least since he first came up to the majors. He couldn’t stand it when Bobby Bonilla got as much attention, or more, as he did, he hated that Griffey Jr. was getting all the media loving, hated when everyone bowed at McGwire’s feet when he was breaking Maris’ record, and now he wants us to feel sorry for him because the media is suffocating him! PUUUUUUUHLEEEEEEASE!!!

Also, I used to respect Willie McCovey the person as much as the player, but not any more! Bonds getting hate or race mail the same as Aaron? No frickin’ way it’s even close! Aaron got them because he just happened to be a Black man challenging one of the most hallowed records of all time. Plus, Aaron handled it all with complete class because that is the type of man he was and is. Imagine if Aaron had Bonds’ attitude back in 1974…he would’ve been shot (remember security back then is nowhere near what it is today), beaten up, etc. I agree with the other blogger who said that if it were Griffey Jr. at 708 HR we all would embrace it because he is NOT a cheater and he is a classy man. This has nothing to do with race, it is about the integrity of the game. I despise Bonds as much as I despise Rose, Giambi, Canseco, Sosa, Palmeiro, and anyone else who lied and cheated to get their “accomplishments.” It’s a shame because Dale Murphy, Andre Dawson, Jim Rice and some of the other stars of the deadball era of the early-mid ‘80’s are the ones who are getting shut out of the Hall of Fame…and that is just TOO BAD!!

By drummerdad

April 7, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

T. Moore, Sounds like you’ve gone a bit soft of the guy. Here’s what strikes many of us who have watched over the years. He’s spoiled, has a contract that pampers and spoils him even more and holds his team hostage. He IS NOT A TEAM PLAYER. Everything about him that comes to light says that his unspoken (and maybe spoken) statements to his teammates is “I am more important than you are”. I just finished Schuerholz’s book and was shocked to find out that he once made a trade for BB. He just doesn’t seem to be the kind of guy the Braves have built around. I remember seeing him cry during an interview with Roy Firestone. And then there were the 2 pathetic throws from left field to home plate when championships were on the line. If he just wants “to be loved” thats fine, but what comes across is more along the lines of wanting the fans to follow the media and bow down. He shouldn’t expect the fans of baseball to do it when there is serious question about whether or not he played within the rules. Turn Jack Bauer loose on him. He’ll find out about the steriods.

By Moore Cowbell

April 7, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Dear “A Fan”, you obviously aren’t a baseball fan or you would no that plenty of people have pointed out McGuire (as Birddog did)and Giambi, and I have pointed out Clemens in the past. Only in this steroid era have players gotten better as they have neared 40. They may be getting thicker but its not around the waste and hips like Aaron, Stargell, Powell and some of the great homerun hitters of the 60’s and 70’s. The players today look like they are ready to hit the Bodybuilding circuit. Bonds looks like a comic book superhero he is so pumped full of muscles. And he is 40! Clemens has to be on the juice too, because he was in decline and out of shape with the Blue Jays before resurging to take 4 more Cy Youngs in his late 30’s and 40’s with the Yankees and Astros. Folks that is not nature at work. At least Nolan Ryan was consistent for his career. He was never a great pitcher in terms of wins and losses but he could always throw a ball through a wall. If he was juicing there isn’t a real period you can point to and say thats when he probably started.

Bonds can cry and moan all he wants about his treatment but the fact remains you don’t average 30-40 homeruns your entire career, (AS AN MVP CALIBER PLAYER NO LESS) then enter your late 30’s and kick up your production about 60%. Every other player in history starts to lose batspeed and visual acuity in his late 30’s, but not Barry. He is so arrogant and disdainful of the fans and the media he doesn’t care how he tarnishes the game and the legacy of greats like Aaron (a true class act), Mays and MCCovey (who look like fools for supporting him). He just wants everyone to envy him and his accomplishments. How pathetic is that.

By Ken

April 7, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

I am certain that there are people out there who hate Barry Bonds because of his race. I am not one of them. How do I feel about him? All of those D words apply. (Disappointed, Disillusioned, Disgusted) I would feel the same if I were to find out that my childhood hero, Hammerin’ Hank, had cheated. I think this is what most people are feeling and when they attempt to express those feelings it comes out looking a lot like hate. It’s a terrible thing to find out that your idol has feet of clay. It makes us feel foolish for having trusted him.

By A Fan

April 7, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

brewerfaninATL, how much coverage is McGwire getting compared to Bonds. Basically nothing. It’s non stop with Bonds. Part of it is because Bonds is still playing, but they both are suspected cheating.

And yes, people do make up sh!t about Bonds. One book claimed he told Griffey Jr he was going to take steroids. Griffey Jr flat out denied Bonds ever said anything like that. That’s making sh!t up! Unless Griffey Jr is covering for Bonds. I just do not see why Griffey would do that though.

Also, I know Bonds has acted like a complete jackass over the last 20-25 years! There’s no doubt. But he grew up with his father, Bobby Bonds and god father, Willie Mays getting subjected to racism. So I think that’s why he crys racism all of the time. But I think he is partially right. Racism does still exist today, just not liek it did then.

Moore Cowbell, I am a huge baseball fan. I know McGwire has been mentioned, but not like Bonds. That is my point. Everyday, there is bad press with Bonds.

Aaron and the players of yesterday did not work out like guys do today. Guys, today, have personal trainers. Aaron’s generation never did that. Today generation work out 6-10 hours a day! Aaron’s generation never did that. Science and nutrition has improved drastically since the day of Aaron.

Now, yes there are some of todays’ stars that have taken steroids. But there are reports that players in the 60’ & 70’s did as well. I’m not saying Aaron did, because I do not know and I am a huge Aaron fan. However, I find it interesting that he has not spoken out against Bonds.

And for those of you that claim the integrity of the game is at stake. Well, what about the other cheaters. Pitchers who load the ball up or scuff it, hitters who cork their bats or take greenies. Greenies were very widespread in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s. That’s an unfair advantage too.

Every generation has had it’s “advantage” so the sciense is better today. Then people use the whole thing that steroids give an unfair advantage for the body that has risk. Well, laser eye surgery has risk too. Tommy John surgery is risky too. I know what you will say, those are all legal. Well, steroids are only illegal because it is harmful to the body. But smoking is harmful to the body as well, except it’s harmful to others too. At least steroids only harm the person taking them. Smoking kills millions more each year than steroids.

Now, do I think steroids should be illegal? YES! But I also think smoking should be illegal! Do I think steroids should be banned from baseball? YES! Do I think greenies should be banned? YES! Do I think that players that test positive should be suspended? YES! MLB is headed in the right direction. MLB did the same with guys caught corking their bats, or scuffing the ball, or loading the ball. They banned the spitter years ago. It’a ALL cheating! And don’t give me any crap that steroids is worst than the others. It’s all cheating. Guys will cheat in baseball until they are caught. A guy still has to see the ball, hit the ball, throw the ball and catch the ball! Each generation found ways to illegally inhance this!!

By A Fan

April 7, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

Oops. That was supposed to be “Each generation found ways to illegally ENHANCE this!!”

By Colin Coward

April 7, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

This is so typical.

A column by Terrence Moore (who IS a respected member of the NATIONAL MEDIA, with MANY contacts), about Barry Bonds automatically brings HATE induced posts from a bunch of idiots.

BirdDawg, I mean Matthew Cafaro, YOU are the #1 IDIOT, and naturally (no pun intended) the first to post. You know nothing about anything other than how to post on a message board, you gimp!

You most certainly have no right (oh wait, it IS a free country) to rank ballparks.

You are an expert in nothing but ballet and broken backs, I mean knees.

To the rest of you, I apologize for this tirade.

By RRR

April 7, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

It’s sad that Bonds and McCovey have to use the race angle as a psuedo defense…and Terence seems to be buying into it.
Where’s the Congressional Black Caucus when you need it? I wonder how much “hate” mail Dontelle Willis gets? Or, how about Griffey, Gwynn, Andruw, Rollins, et al… Word of advice Mr Moore: “Keep it real.”

By AK

April 7, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

A Fan…I agree with you totally!! I’ve said the same thing all along about the weight gain of athletes. Take a look at Andrew Jones…hmmm, he has put on few pounds since he came into the league. We all gain weight over time. You guys are just idiots and haters. Steriods doesn’t help your hand to eye coordination. Barry can hit plain and simple. Plus baseball didn’t have any drug policies when these guys hit all the homeruns so why should it matter now? When McGwire was going after the single season record all the white trash thought he was the best thing going besides banana and mayo sandwiches! Yuck!!Again you idiots are p** because Barry doesn’t bow down to white trash. In the words of Barry, “F u”!! Go Bonds!!!

By A Fan

April 7, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

brewerfaninATL, I do agree with you in that Dale Murphy, Andre Dawson, Jim Rice all deserve to be Hall Of Famers. Dave Parker too. All of those guys dominated for a decade.

By AR

April 7, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

WELL SAID AK, the HATERS are out in full force. BONDS will past Ruth and them folks hate it, well tuff s#$#!!!

By AR

April 7, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

WELL SAID AK, the HATERS are out in full force. BONDS will past Ruth and them folks hate it, well tuff s#$#!!!

By AK

April 7, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

A Fan…I agree with you totally!! I’ve said the same thing all along about the weight gain of athletes. Take a look at Andrew Jones…hmmm, he has put on few pounds since he came into the league. We all gain weight over time. You guys are just idiots and haters. Steriods doesn’t help your hand to eye coordination. Barry can hit plain and simple. Plus baseball didn’t have any drug policies when these guys hit all the homeruns so why should it matter now? When McGwire was going after the single season record all the white trash thought he was the best thing going besides banana and mayo sandwiches! Yuck!!Again you idiots are p** because Barry doesn’t bow down to white trash. In the words of Barry, “F u”!! Go Bonds!!!

By brewerfaninATL

April 7, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

A Fan: You have to realize that when McGwire (and Sosa too remember!) was breaking Maris’ record, baseball was just recovering from a strike 3 years earlier that still had fans ticked off. Bud Selig and the owners/players union didn’t do anything because 1) there was NO drug testing in baseball like there was in other sports, 2) his/their home run chase put butts back in the stands and lined up the owners’ pockets, 3) it had been 37 years since anyone had reached that coveted number, and 4) McGwire was a likeable guy who showed his emotional side on numerous occasions. Do I agree and condone these reasons? Absolutely NOT, but now with the drug testing in place, albeit a laughable one, Bonds is at the top of the list. Plus, it does not help that he is a churlish bastard likes to blame other people. You and I both know that the media eats this stuff up and tries to push Bonds’ buttons…BUT, Bonds allows this to happen, he feeds the media these false pretenses that he gets picked on and no one loves him, blah, blah, blah. Come on, everyone with half a brain knows what Bonds really is…a self-absorbed, jealous, cheating jack@$$ who just couldn’t settle on being a legit 5-tool HOF’er…no, instead he should get put in Pete Rose’s purgatory!

By A Fan

April 7, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

brewerfaninATL, you are right about the 1998 season with Sosa and McGwire. It saved baseball. Selig knew that and that is why he did not pay any attention to steroids. But now that Congress stepped in, he forced the drug testing. That’s alright though. Baseball needed it. It’s still not the greatest procedure, but it’s real good. ANd it’s a step in the right direction.

However, Bonds has passed EVERY DAMN drug test given to him and Selig is still going after him. And yes, I think he is going after BONDS!! The reason he is going after him is because Bonds is so close to Ruth’s lefty HR record and Aaron’s overall HR record. And there’s a big fuss over it.

Do I think Bonds took performance enhancers? Probably. But he has passed all drug tests too. So there is some doubt. If Bonds was at 508 homers instead of 708, Selig would not have hired the Mitchell group. It is so obvious!

Selig should have got off his a* years ago, and forced the drug testing issue then. I know that every person has the choice about taking steroids, but MLB is partially to blame. Guys are going to find ways to enhance their performance. It’s happened in EVERY Generation. It’s just human nature. This time though, MLB supported it because steroids brought the fans back to baseball in 1998!!!

And I will say this. If I had a choice of cigarettes or steroids being illegal, I would choice cigs. At least steroids only do damage to the person taking them. I have no choice but to breath in smokers’ poison.

By Whiningdawgs

April 7, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

Waaaah, waaaah, waaaah, poor Barry. Well, maybe he should given it a bit more thought before embarking on years of steroid abuse.

The fact is he was already one of the all-time best ball players. So, maybe Messrs. McCovey and Mays should consider the man has brought this all on himself. The hate mail is unnecessary and bad and comes from low-lifes out for a free ride, lazy, working (if they have jobs at all) from paycheck to paycheck. It’s unfortunate.

Nonetheless, Messrs. Bonds, McCovey, Mays and Moore, Barry cheated, gave up his integrity and chose the Devil, and will pay the price as he travels from city to city this Summer. My guess is he will absorb unending verbal grief from fans everywhere.

If he had it to do all over again, would he? I think not, and, when he’s in pain suffering from the longer-term side effects of the steroid abuse, he’ll definitely wish he had made better choices. There’s still time, though, to save some face and gain some level of integrity; however, he’ll have to step up, tell the truth and request forgiveness for the mistakes. Probably won’t happen, but there’s a chance he can change history if he acts now …

By A Fan

April 7, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Oh and Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. If Gaylord Perry is in and Whitey Ford is in, then Rose should be in. Both Ford and Perry admitted to cheating. Perry even wrote a book about it. Ford admitted it in numorous books. We are all human, we all make mistakes. And one of the hardest things to do it admit them. Rose screwed up. But he is human. He has paid his debt. Now it’s time to move on. I don’t care what anybody says, everybody has done something wrong! Even Aaron, Mays and others. Nobody is perfect.

By brewerfaninATL

April 7, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

A Fan: Here’s the key to Bonds’ passing this so-called drug test…they call in advance and tell him when they are coming in! Does that sound like a reasonable drug test to you? They should have had an Olympic-type drug test in place since, oh I don’t know, FOREVER! This is all a big, gigantic farce. Bonds is no dummy, he is taking FULL advantage of all this! Yes, I hate Bonds…like I hate McGwire, Sosa, Giambi, Canseco, Palmeiro, Rose, etc…but I REALLY HATE Bud Selig and the players’ union even more!!

By A Fan

April 7, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

brewerfaninATL, how much notice do the players get? Where did you get that from? Just curious. I know the drug testing is not perfect, but it is better than nothing. And it must not be that easy to trick a test, as there have been numerous players that have failed.

By BirdDawg

April 7, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

A Fan… Bill Jones, not so nice to make your aquaintance.

So tell me, Fan, if I have no right to share my opinions on anything, what gives you the right to dothe same thing? Illogic can never win over logic, Fan. You can call me what you want, even comparing me to that lunatic Matthew. But my opinions are just as valid as yours, maybe moreso, because they have he valdity of logic stamped upon them, while your’s do not.

Until I blog again, I bid you adieu. And, by the way, I have every reason to write what I feel about the ballparks, because I’ve seen over 20 of them, some which aren’t even here anymore, like The Vet, Three Rivers, Old Comisky, and Tiger Stadium. The only one I haven’t seen is New Busch, but when I flew into St. Louis this winter, I took a walk down to the construction site, and it is a beautiful new stadium, built downtown, like Turner Field should have been.

So, Fan, before you wantto criticize what I have to say, you might want to realize that some of us may be a bit older and wiser than you, with a wealth of life experiences like taking many trips in the summer time to visit cities to watch baseball games in. Last year, for me, it was the West Coast.

By BirdDawg

April 7, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

A Fan… I’m sorry, I singled out the wrong person.

It is Colin Coward, I’m guessing which is an absolutely “ingenious” pun on Colin Cowherd who needs to mind his manners and respect his elders.

A Fan, I am sorry for singling you out by mistake. While I disagree with your statements and believe you are either being naive or just plain burying your head int he sand to escape the truth, I hold no such malice towards you.

By Johnny C.

April 7, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

“They call in advance to tell them when they are coming in”, is a bunch of horseS&%t that this fool just made up on the spot. It doesn’t matter to you a*******holes that the owner of Balco has said time and again that he never gave any steroids to Barry Bonds. You prefer to go by a bulls$&t book that is based on the word of a disgruntled former girlfriend. As far as people booing Bonds, that’s nothing but a motivator for most players (was for me) to really kick your team’s a$$. Boo on, stupid!

By Johnny C.

April 7, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

As for the clown who thinks that all pitchers should walk Bonds every time he comes to bat…spoken like a true p@$$y.

By george

April 7, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

To mention Barry Bonds with the likes of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Willie Mays, Henry Aaron, Stan Musial, Frank Robinson, Ted Williams and many other all-time greats is a joke. For most of his career Barry Bonds was “better than average”, but certainly not a “great” player. In fact, the only “great” thing about him is is EGO. It would be very interesting to know what his past and current team mates would say if they could speak candidly. Barry is for Barry. Team is a concept he doesn’t understand.

By george

April 7, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

To mention Barry Bonds with the likes of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Willie Mays, Henry Aaron, Stan Musial, Frank Robinson, Ted Williams and many other all-time greats is a joke. For most of his career Barry Bonds was “better than average”, but certainly not a “great” player. In fact, the only “great” thing about him is is EGO. It would be very interesting to know what his past and current team mates would say if they could speak candidly. Barry is for Barry. Team is a concept he doesn’t understand.

By george

April 7, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

To mention Barry Bonds with the likes of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Willie Mays, Henry Aaron, Stan Musial, Frank Robinson, Ted Williams and many other all-time greats is a joke. For most of his career Barry Bonds was “better than average”, but certainly not a “great” player. In fact, the only “great” thing about him is is EGO. It would be very interesting to know what his past and current team mates would say if they could speak candidly. Barry is for Barry. Team is a concept he doesn’t understand.

By george

April 7, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

To mention Barry Bonds with the likes of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Willie Mays, Henry Aaron, Stan Musial, Frank Robinson, Ted Williams and many other all-time greats is a joke. For most of his career Barry Bonds was “better than average”, but certainly not a “great” player. In fact, the only “great” thing about him is is EGO. It would be very interesting to know what his past and current team mates would say if they could speak candidly. Barry is for Barry. Team is a concept he doesn’t understand.

By A Fan

April 7, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

BirdDawg, I accept your apology. However, you say “But my opinions are just as valid as yours, maybe moreso, because they have he valdity of logic stamped upon them, while your’s do not.”

My opinions do have merit as I use common sense. Every generation has “cheated” or used “performance enhancers” including some of the greatest players to ever play the game in the 50’s and 60’s. You are the one that is naive if you do not think Steroids and greenies were being used in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s. You are even more misinformed, if you think certain kind of cheating (steroids) is worst than other kinds (scuffed ball, greenies, ect).

I know that steroids became a huge problem. And yes it was more of a problem in the late 90’s than it was before the 80’s. However, it was still a problem. So many of those “cherished” records are probably tainted anyway. Not to mention that when the great Babe Ruth was playing, blacks were not even allowed in the majors. I doubt he would have hit 600 homers if he played against the best of the best like today. Things did not change until the 1947 and that was for 1 man (Jackie Robinson) and 1 team (Dodgers). It would be years before all teams allowed blacks to play.

COmbine that with the fact that in today’s game there is a relief specialist for everything. Where as in previous generations, hitters got to face the same pitcher the whole game. Now they face 3 maybe 4 different pitchers a game.

By Randy

April 7, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

It’s a shame everyone is wasting so much air talking about a cheater, when a real athlete and great kid, Saul Raisin of Dalton, Georgia is fighting for his life in a hospital in France. Since the AJC didn’t cover it, I’ll fill you in. Saul crashed in a bike race earlier this week. Subsequently he suffered a cerebral hemorrhage and is in a coma. He was slated to be a co-leader in the upcoming Tour of Italy. Now, we’re just praying he lives. Forget Barry Bonds and all the other juicers. For a moment think about a kid with a bright future and pray that he lives to see it!

By OldTimer

April 7, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

Let’s get one thing straight. Babe Ruth has nothing to do with this. He doesn’t hold the homerun record. That record is held by Henry Louis Aaron, a Negro from Mobile, Alabama. A man of intense character and conviction. He’ll never criticize Bonds because his character won’t allow it. Comparing Bonds to Aaron is the same as comparing Milli Vanilli to Martin Luther King.

By chap

April 7, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

As a teenager I hug on every homerun hit in the magical summer of 1961. The M&M boys were on a homerun tear that would not be seen until the age of steroids. Mickey and Roger had the entire nation on the edge of their seats the entire summer, how wonderful and special it was. They were the true boys of summer and doing it on the talent that god had given them. In no other sport are numbers and records so important as in baseball and it breaks my heart to see so many great records fall to cheaters, every record from 1990 until now should be in a seperate record book; a book that should be buried.Barry desires to hold the homerun record about as much a Benedict Arnold desevers the Congressional Medal of Honer. The M&M boys along with Ruth him self must be sadly shaking their heads at the present state of their beloved pastime.

By James

April 7, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

I don’t think Barry Bonds should go into baseball’s record book should he break Aaron’s homerun record. And even though I’m white, that doesn’t make me a racist. I sided with Aaron when he was chasing Ruth’s record. I hated that he received tons of hate mail. He is STILL my all-time favorite baseball player. To FURTHER prove my point that I’m not a racist, I HOPE and PRAY they NEVER let Pete Rose into the baseball Hall of Fame because he gambled on his team as well as other teams KNOWING FULL WELL it was against the rules of Major League Baseball. In fact, I’d rather they allow Bonds into baseball’s record book if he top 755 career homeruns than to ever let Rose in the Hall of Fame.

By JOHN B.

April 7, 2006 07:43 PM | Link to this

OldTimer, Ruth holds the record for HRs from a left handed batter. So yes, Ruth does have something to do with this. And were you there to be sure Aaron never took anything illegal? Don’t forget, House was a Braves pitcher and stated that he saw everything being taken. NOW, DON”T GET ME WRONG, I”M NOT SAYING AARON CHEATED! In fact, I want to believe he never even popped any greenies. However, I know there is a slight chance. Nobody really knows. Nobody knows what records are tainted. Because if steroids were around, and there’s proof they were, I would bet some players used them.

By JOHN B.

April 7, 2006 07:50 PM | Link to this

OldTimer Aaron has spoken up about injustices in the past, so I am surprised that he has not spoken up against Bonds. But neither one of us or anybody knows for sure. Aaron could be just keeping it to himself.

Or he could be avoiding the issue because he knows he popped a few greenies in his day or maybe even something stronger. I doubt it, but I don’t know and neither do you or anybody else for that matter. Only Aaron knows.

By A Fan

April 7, 2006 08:00 PM | Link to this

John B. , i could not have said it better myself. And I agree with you about Aaron was very likely clean but we just do not know. And it is funny how he has not spoken against Bonds at all. If I had that record and did everything cleanly, I would be speaking up.

By TheSouthernJackAss

April 7, 2006 08:02 PM | Link to this

OK enough already about this major league cheater!!!…talk about something else for a change…Bonds is just plain boring now!!…GO JACKASS!!!…

By JOHN B.

April 7, 2006 08:03 PM | Link to this

Well, we’ll see what this investigation uncovers, but I doubt they will go back any further than 2002 because that is when baseball supposedly banned steroids.

By Hunk Erdown

April 7, 2006 09:44 PM | Link to this

My Grandpa played pro baseball, and even though he never took steroids, he once told me that the key to living a long life was to sprinkle a pinch of gunpowder on your cereal every morning. Grandpa lived to be 105 years old. He left 4 children, 16 grandchildren, 14 great grand children and a 50 foot hole where the crematorium used to be.

By old timer

April 7, 2006 10:43 PM | Link to this

I am sure some of what Bonds is getting stems from racism. From people who don’t want him passing Ruth. That’s too bad, but the rest of it, Bonds should expect now that he’s been outed. McCovey, by the way, is a gentleman, not an idiot at all. I really think Bonds will retire before he passes Aaron. There’s a good chance he will break down before he can hit 48 homers. Even if he doesn’t, I think he’ll be too embarrassed to take Aaron’s record, knowing Aaron earned it with 23 years of hard work. As I have said, this must be awkward for the Hammer. He has said all along his record is there to be broken and he would root for anyone closing in on it. And he has supported Bonds. But now, well, it must be difficult. I am not, by the way, the person logging in as OldTimer.

By robert mays

April 8, 2006 03:05 AM | Link to this

to all baseball fans.a drunk will lose sight on the world. if you understand this,no explanation is necesary. if you dont understand,all the explanation in the world,want make you understand.

By Dave In Tampa

April 8, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

So now we are suppose to feel sorry for Barry Bonds????? Please, he chose his life style and now has to deal with it.

By southern

April 8, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

Waaah waaah waaaah, Bonds. This reaction wouldn’t be happening if it were Griffey, Jeter or Andruw Jones chasing. Whether Bonds passes Hammerin’ Hank or not, I’m sure when he dies an early age due to all the sh!t he put his body through, it will be all worth it.

By bdglen

April 8, 2006 06:25 PM | Link to this

WOW, the racism on this board is rampant. 90 percent of those who posted comments here no nothing of Bonds, McCovey, Mays, Aaron, Ruth, MacGwire, Sosa or any other baseball player.

Wait, we ALL know Clemens has been amped on Steroids for years as well as Schilling, Oswalt and about 100 other pitchers right?

Get a grip you hillbilly losers. THIS IS AMERICA! a man is innocent until proven guilty and to this day there is NO PROOF Bonds ever took steroids, only accusations and dumbass comments like look how big he is. Anyone who saw his father play before him would acknowledge that Bobby Bonds was a skinny kid coming into the league and put on 40 pounds by the time he retired, Father and son basically mirrored each other in their body shape throughout their careers.

One final note to birdshit, I mean dawg. MLB players are given NO advance notice of drug tests.

By bdglen

April 8, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

To : By George….Now you are showing the world what an idiot you are.

400 homeruns 400 stolen bases 411 lifetime average 4 MVPS

ALL before anyone even claimed Barry did anything wrong.

Barry had hall of fame numbers by 1997 Lou Gehrig, Stan Musial, Frank Robinson and Ted Williams couldn’t hold Barrys jock, in their entire career they don’t come close to the kind of numbers Barry has produced in just the first half of his own.

Simple fact, love him or hate him, Barry Bonds is the greatest pure baseball player in the history of the game and if you sorry losers bothered to open your eyes and take a look you’d see history in the making instead of the pitiful hatred and jealousy you cover your eyes with.

By OldTimer

April 8, 2006 08:55 PM | Link to this

Yes Ruth was left handed. It’s irrelevant. Being the all-time left-handed home run hitter is a consolation prize. It’s like being the all-time white home run hitter. Or having the most home runs as a midget, or while wearing a skirt. It doesn’t matter. Tack on enough qualifiers and we’re all the home run champ. Aaron has the record. No adjectives or qualifiers required. Just a plain simple fact.

By brewerfaninATL

April 8, 2006 10:33 PM | Link to this

bdglen: You are a moron! Yes, Bonds was great and was a sure fire HOF’er before he took the steroids and that leads me to my question, why the hell did he feel the need to juice up? The reason is jealousy. He hated all the publicity McGwire got and he’s selfish in that he wants to cheat to get the all time HR mark…well, it may not happen after all because the jerk is flat-out done, he is nothing but a shell of what he was 2 years ago. This is what happens when you juice up, your body breaks down in rapid proportions, esp. as much juice as he’s used, now he’s paying the price! Yes, there is justice, stick a fork in the guy, the fat, selfish pumpkin-head is crumbling right before our eyes!

BTW, you’re a low-grade schmuck for stating Gehrig, Ted Williams, Frank Bobinson, and Stan Musial weren’t as good as Bonds. Gehrig had his life stripped from him in his 30’s and Ted Williams served 2 years in the military fighting for our country, while he was still in his prime. See, Bonds was and is a CHEATER, his stats from 1999-present should be stripped clean. You are right though, they can’t hold Barry’s jock because there’s nothing TO HOLD! His testicles are probably shriveled up little peas so the only thing in his jock is basically what he and his career is…CRAP! And who in their right mind WOULD want to hold that kind of jock?!?!

By bdglen

April 8, 2006 11:09 PM | Link to this

brewerfaninATL….let take your statements chronologically.

…”You are a moron! Yes, Bonds was great and was a sure fire HOF’er before he took the steroids and that leads me to my question, why the hell did he feel the need to juice up? ……

YOU nor anyone else has any proof that Bonds did or did not juice up. All you have is statements and accusations from people who have statements and accusations from other people who may or may not have statements and accusations from other people. So if YOU choose to convict someone based on statements by an ex mistress who tried to blackmail Bonds, then it shows your total misunderstanding of the way things work in AMERICA! No one has been more tested than Bonds for Steroid use since 2002, yet in 2002 and 2003 he performed as a HOF’er. I think it is way too soon to say how he will do this year, but odds are, at least by professional bookie standards that YOU are way off the mark on your assesment of his skills.

……”The reason is jealousy. He hated all the publicity McGwire got and he’s selfish in that he wants to cheat to get the all time HR mark…well,”……

Nice to know you are not only psychic but apparently sleeping with Barry ande know his deepest thoughts and emotions.

…..”it may not happen after all because the jerk is flat-out done, he is nothing but a shell of what he was 2 years ago.”…..

Again, way to early to make such a ridiculous statement Doctor.

…….”This is what happens when you juice up, your body breaks down in rapid proportions, esp. as much juice as he’s used, now he’s paying the price! Yes, there is justice, stick a fork in the guy, the fat, selfish pumpkin-head is crumbling right before our eyes!……”

Own up to this remark on October 1, 2006 and the world will either think you a fool or a genious, my bet is a fool.

……”BTW, you’re a low-grade schmuck for stating Gehrig, Ted Williams, Frank Bobinson, and Stan Musial weren’t as good as Bonds.”……

Facts are facts, none of them could or did produce like Bonds in ANY facet of baseball let alone ALL areas like Barry has and still does.

……”Gehrig had his life stripped from him in his 30’s and Ted Williams served 2 years in the military fighting for our country, while he was still in his prime.”…….

Well that settles it, let’s make up stats and give them extra brownie points. In fact I hereby proclaim Ted Williams the all time home run king based on his proud military service. Get a clue the only one jealous here is you buddy. Barry was the best in the history of the game before 1998 and has only gotten better since.

……”See, Bonds was and is a CHEATER, his stats from 1999-present should be stripped clean. You are right though, they can’t hold Barry’s jock because there’s nothing TO HOLD! His testicles are probably shriveled up little peas so the only thing in his jock is basically what he and his career is…CRAP! And who in their right mind WOULD want to hold that kind of jock?!?!”……..

The last vestige of scoundrels, accusations with no proof, slander with malice of forethought and blind ignorance to facts. I dare say you will quietly slip into oblivion when this baseball legend, Mr. Bonds, who is so obviously in your mind “done” and a “has been”, passes Babe Ruth and then out of respect to a man who endured racism the like of which no man should, quietly retires from the game 1 perhaps 2 HR’s short of Hank Aaron, a man he admires and honors for what he brought to the game despite the virulent racism of the dirty south.

Take your head out of your @ss and watch a legend and history being made, one day you might be able to tell your grandchildren that you saw Barry play and he was the greatest 5 tool player in the history of the game.

The only thing that will come out of the MLB investigation is:

Some people have made accusations and no one has any evidence, no records will be re-written and no one will be punished. The reason is simple amphetimine, steroid and other substance use by pitchers in particular and playersw in general has been a long standing tradition, The error in going after Bonds is that no one has been more tested than he, and he has never failed a test, and there are accusations about 100’s of players including some of the days top performers. Did i mention Clemens, Oswalt, Schilling, Piazza…?

Take away Bonds HR record and you also take away Clemens Cy Young awards. Do you credit Barry for the HR’s that came off at bats against pitchers accused of steroid use?

Barry Bonds is again, love him or hate him, the greatest baseball player in history. PERIOD with or without steroids no one has or ever will possess the skills and abilities that Barry does.

I really feel sorry for you in your jealousy that you are missing out on some great moments in history.

By old timer

April 9, 2006 12:08 AM | Link to this

Gimmie some of what bdglen is on and I’ll break Aaron’s record.

By bdglen

April 9, 2006 12:34 AM | Link to this

Old timer… For someone whose posts to this point have been relatively balanced and inocuous. Your assertion that I am “on” something merely because I have an opinion based on FACTS instead of speculation, is disappointing at best.

By brewerfaninATL

April 9, 2006 01:27 AM | Link to this

bdglen: I hope the meds you are on kicks in soon…you ARE stupider and stupider with each word you write. The FACT is that baseball’s drug testing is a JOKE, has been since it started in, what 2002—gee, what a concept, and still is today! Yeah, you go ahead and believe that Bonds is clean and you might as well click your ruby slippers 3 times and hop, skip, and jump down the yellow-brick road! Let’s see, Ted Williams HAD to join the war, it was not by choice, so yeah, considering his gaudy stats at the time, you could easily add about 80 HR’s and about 400-450 hits to his already great stats…oh, he also happened to hit over .400 in a season, something Bonds NEVER accomplished in his bloated career. Oh yeah, he NEVER cheated!! Jealous of Barroid? Ha, I won’t be the one on the death bed, gravely ill from all the steroids that wrecked his body and organs, begging God for forgiveness that he broke baseball’s number one rule…he cheated to attain the numbers he “earned” and then lied about it later! That, my man, is truly SAD! And so are you for decrying his “greatness”…YOU are the fool!

By bdglen

April 9, 2006 02:57 AM | Link to this

brewerfaninATL…

Amazing isn’t it that the steroid testing is such a joke that reknown players like R. Palmero still managed to get caught red handed. others like Sosa, so debilitated and afraid, have had to leave the game entirely.

The testing is neither a joke, nor ineffective despite your contention otherwise.

I deal with FACTS, prove that Bonds is not clean and I will annouce it to the world, until then, take your prejudiced opinions and put them back in the closet with those other things you hide in there.

Admittedly Ted Williams was a great hitter, I don’t think he was ever a gold glover, Stolen base leader, or MVP player more than once. Bonds was MVP 4 times BEFORE all the jealousy, allegations and BS levied against him. He did nothing but add 3 more.

You are entitled to your opinions no matter how misguided and predjudiced they are, but you are not entitled to “your” facts. There is only ONE set of FACTS. and the facts are;

Barry Bonds is without peer. He is the greatest player in baseball history because he was a complete baseball athlete, SPEED (stolen base leader) DEFENSE (5 time Gold Glove) HITTER (for avg, and for power) Barry is the total package, something no other player in history could come close to.

AND the other fact is NO ONE has ever proven any of the allegations against Bonds. NO ONE, EVER, NEVER!

Griffey Jr., Sheffield have both denied the supposed quotes attributed to them in the Bash Barry books. And we know Shef is such a good friend of Barry that he denied it out of his sincere love for his dear friend Barry…Yeah right!

The owner of Balco labs, Victor Conte, while in prison no less, with absolutely nothing to gain denied as outright lies the allegations about Bonds, not about himself mind you but about Bonds.

Lie, upon lie, upon lie, gathered from disgruntled ex mistresses, former wannabe big shots, and assorted other low lifes is all there is…

Even the illegally leaked Grand Jury testimony, if you actually bother to read it, backs up Bonds testimony that he NEVER knowingly used steroids of any kind at any time, other than those prescribed by a Doctor.

Sad to think you live and apparently grew up in America but fail to understand the very basic concept of innocent until proven guilty.

Your loss not mine, I’m enjoying history in the making. I’ll be able to tell my grandchildren I was there, I was a witness to history and bigotry and hatred and racism, but most of all a witness to unparalelled greatness.

By brewerfaninATL

April 9, 2006 04:43 AM | Link to this

bdglen: Yawn, yawn, yawn…are you still babbling? Funny how you write so much yet mean so little! OK Johnnie Cochran prove to me that he is NOT guilty…oustside of Barroid saying he hasn’t. And don’t give me that “he passed the pee test” crap either. The drug testing today is a JOKE and until they get Olympic-type testing, it always will be! Even Bonds HIMSELF admitted he used this steroid cream that he “supposedly” didn’t know they were steroids at the time…yeah, I buy that excuse! Sure, he’s gonna let some stranger, or his training buddy, come into the Giants locker room and approach him and hand over this cream to rub on his arm and he’s gonna just say, “OK I’ll do it, even though I have no idea what the side effects may be and even though it just might possibly be illegal, but, yeah, I’ll do it!” Come on, even his old teammate Andy Van Slyke knows he juiced, same as old buddy Gary Sheffield.

BTW, he sure showed off that Gold Glove arm in the ‘92 playoffs when SID BREAM (with 2 shot knees) beat his 14-hopper to the plate! Yeah, and how did he perform in the 1990, 1991, and 1992 playoffs when the games really counted? Or, how about in the 1993 pennant chase with the Braves? He didn’t start doing anything until 2002…surprise, surprise, he had help from the juice! Without peer, my @$$, give me Derek Jeter, Paul Molitor, Edgar Renteria, or Scott Brosius any day of the week…guys who perform in the clutch and actually WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS! You know, something that Bonds has yet to do in umpteen tries!

By old timer

April 9, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

OK, I am convinced now. Bonds never used steroids. No proof other than Grand Jury testimony and Bonds public ascertion that he used steroids but didn’t know it. I mean, I never personally saw the man inject himself. And reliable sources tell me he is going to team with OJ and they are going to spare no expense to find the real steroid users.

By The BIG Boss Man

April 9, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

If you read the excerpts from the “steriods” book, Bonds is not just a cheater. He is also a dispicable human being who cheated on his wife (and his mistress) and who treated his employees like crap by constantly cursing and threatening them.

BTW, numerous impartial,scientific studies have shown that only three groups of people believe that Bonds has not taken steroids.

1) People who live in Cynthia McKinney’s district.

2) People who served on the O.J. Simpson jury.

3) People who have room-temperature IQs.

By What a surprise

April 9, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

Imagine that…..an article by T. Moore alleging racism…Unbelievable.

I learned YEARS ago that 90 percent of this hack’s articles are about either racism, or how great Notre Dame, the Reds or the Raiders are.

When he tries to write about something “mainstream”, his articles are usually filled with factual errors. Read his article on the SEC Championship game to see what I mean. That was one of my personal favorites. He wrote about a Georgia player tackling one of his own players, and of the PAC-10 Championship Game, when none exists.

I used to go up to Frankie’s at the Prado when they filmed a TV show with T. Moore. When they allowed audience members to ask questions, I would stand up and ask him a factual question and watch him squirm in his seat. See…T.Moore knows NOTHING about sports. His articles are about how people feel, and what people say. His goal is to incite the reader with his antiquated societal ideals. Racism is not his enemy: It is his friend. Without it, he would have nothing to write about, so he does all he can to keep it in everyone’s mind. And just in case the rednecks are coming around, he’ll submit an article like the one above just to get them all riled up again.

Only a moron could believe the Bonds issue about racism. It’s very simple. Bonds is an a%&hole. He always has been. He is most probably a cheater as well. BUT EVEN IF HE ISN’T, I don’t want him to break the record because he is a selfish jerk. Racism has nothing to do with it. (How could it be??? Isn’t Aaron BLACK??)

As a white male, even in today’s society, I understand that being a minority must be an immeasurable challenge. However, it must be nice to always have the race card at the ready when times are tough. Didn’t get that job you wanted? RACISM! Guy cuts you off in traffic? RACISM! People don’t like Barry Bonds? RACISM! No ideas for your column today? RACISM!!

What a hack.

By ghs

April 9, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

         Ruth    Bonds

AB 8398 9140 Hits 2873 2742 AVG .342 .300 HR 714 708 Slug .690 .611 Assists 204 166

Any idiot should be able to compare the above and determine that Bonds is not in Ruth’s class. Please note that Bonds as more than 800 AB’s over Ruth, but still has far less hits, not to mention home runs.

It should also be noted that Ruth was an accomplished pitcher (94-46 with a 2.28 ERA) and held the record for consecutive scoreless innings pitched in the WS for many years.

AARON IS THE HOME RUN CHAMPION OF ALL TIME, and Ruth is number two. No matter what Bonds does, or does not do, he will never measure up to either of these two men.

You folks who do not believe Bonds is juiced are either very naive or totally ignorant of the evidence that IS available.

I think is is quite possible many of you have never really seen some of the real all-time greats of the game play. Most of baseball has been a joke for the last ten years or so.

Bonds will never have the respect of those who respect the game.

By bdglen

April 9, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

Ah yes the dirty south lives on. Honestly what would you hillbillies do with your time if you had no one to rail against?

It’s good to see the old traditions live on in the redneck, bigot world of Georgia.

And for OLD IMER…..

Read the Grand Jury testimony before you comment on it. The only available testimony that has been published supports Bonds contention that he NEVER knowingly used steroids. Believeing and holding as fact some third party mis-quote is really ignorant, but maybe thats your Alzheimers setting in.

Secondly Bonds himself NEVER publicly or privately admitted to using, in fact the opposite is true, he has denied using, every time he has been asked, whether public or private.

For those who claim Bonds is just a jerk and therefore deserves to be punished, I guess you include;

Ted Williams, the drunk wife beater. Babe Ruth , the drunk womanizer and every other jerk of a human being including yourselves for repeating hateful lies about someone you know nothing about.

My time is wasted here on iggnorant small minded people like you. Enjoy your bliss as the saying goes, but please send me your names so that if I am ever on trial I can instruct my Attorneyto dismiss you from the jury because of your penchant for convicting people without proof of guilt.

One final point to the person who brought up Cynthia McKinney and O.J. Simpson….Your KKK renewal form is in the mail, but don’t worry it’s produced with pictures only. Afterall we know dumb asses like you can’t read let alone create cogent thoughts.

The Civil war ended over 100 years ago and your sorry treasonous asses were handed to you in a basket. GET OVER IT LOSERS!

By Robert Walsh

April 9, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

Hey bdglen:

If you believe that Barry Bonds has not done steroids AND that he is unaware that he has done so….you are a freaking moron. Check the stats. You can almost pinpoint the offseason he started cheating. You don’t just START hitting 70 Home Runs in the middle of your career for no reason.

Regarding your comments about being in the KKK if someone does not agree with the delusional antics of McKinney and the murderous acts of Simpson: If you back McKinney’s psychotic behavior and actually believe that Simpson is innocent, you are far worse than the “rednecks and hillbillies” you came here to harangue.

You are not only part of the problem: You and your type ARE the problem. You look at the face and if it is black, you figure they must be oppressed/innocent, regardless of the egregiousness of their actions. Being black does not give you an excuse to be a totally incompetent moron (McKinney) a murderer (Simpson), or a cheating, egotistical, crybaby (Bonds).

Are you T. Moore’s brother? You are both idiots.

By Peewee

April 9, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

Hey BIRDDAWG your blogs the Best Man # 1. U tell it like it is Man. BOND WILL NEVER BE A HANK AARON…jUST ANOTHER MCKINNEY..DID I SAY THAT?

By Greg Andrew

April 9, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

For the record, let’s quote Jim Bouton: “The game is cleaner today than when I was playing.” And he’s not referring to players washing his hands. Those who think that Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire other players who have used performance enhancing drugs are somehow different than those “heroes of yesteryear,” think again. They may have access to better drugs or know how to use them more efficiently, but that’s about it.

By DUH

April 9, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

“They may have access to better drugs or know how to use them more efficiently, but that’s about it.”

That’s about it? And that’s not enough?

Scuffing the ball, coming up with spikes flying, or throwing dirt in someone’s eyes is a far cry from taking drugs that make you be able to see a ball better, faster, or more clearly, and subsequently able to hit that ball 500 feet.

Sure, players took steroids in earlier eras, but those drugs were predominately made for veterinary purposes and they took them hoping for a general bulking effect. Today’s enhancing drugs are pinpoint accurate as far as their purpose. Comparing today’s cheater drugs with those of days past is ridiculous.

We already know that Bonds is a jerk. Before it’s all over with, we will be presented with the proof that he is a cheater as well. Anyone with a sliver of common sense already knows that he is a cheater, but we will have the proof very soon….

By Truthiness

April 9, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

San Francisco April 9, 2006

A Major league baseball game was played today in San Francisco, featuring the Atlanta braves and the San Francisco Giants.

A known cheater stepped onto the field to the cheers of 1000’s of people across the country blinded by their faith.

A man so obsessed with fame and glory that he used any and probably every edge he could get his hands on, whether legal or not.

A man consumed by ego.

A man whose records are now in question.

A man whose body size betrays him. He is a shadow of his former self. The years of substance abuse has taken it’s toll, he is a mockery of illicet drug use.

His team mates protect him, not out of fear of him, but out of fear of exposing their own misdeeds.

A Cheater stepped onto the field today.

The accuser was bested today by the accused.

A Cheater stepped onto the field today.

Jacked up on Steroids and Amphetamines a heater stepped onto the field today. How has he managed to play so much longer than his peers?

Accused by many, including past team mates and opponents.

A Cheater stepped onto the field today. We all know his name, John Smoltz.

A cheater stepped onto the field today,

By brewerfaninATL

April 9, 2006 07:52 PM | Link to this

Bonds is DONE!!! His knees are shot, which basically means his legs are shot. Any power hitter needs his legs to drive the ball and his legs are now gone…just look at him! He gets no height or distance on his hits, just a lot of grounders and strikeouts. Sure, he’ll hit SOME HR’s but, you watch, he won’t have anywhere near the numbers he’s had in the past…in fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he retired from all the pressure surrounding him, even though he’ll say it’s the knees. Since the drug testing is a LITTLE more strict (still a JOKE) he’s had to lay off the juice due to the investigation…now we’re seeing the results! Justice is being served! Enjoy the crumbling of “the greatness” of this “baseball icon!” (bdglen’s quotes)

By Michael Scott

April 9, 2006 11:37 PM | Link to this

Contrary to what has been stated over and over, ad nauseum: there is no evidence that Bonds ever knowingly took steroids. There are two writers who CLAIM to have evidence. And all of it based directly or indirectly on one man: Greg Anderson. I hope they are giving him royalties. None of this explains Bonds’ numbers before ANYONE claims he used ( 500/500 club, among others), none of this explains the numbers SINCE testing began. The book is full of quotes taken out of context,”usage logs” provided by Anderson, third and fourth person rumor ( “Montgomery claims that Anderson said that Conte told him…”), subjective interpretation presented as fact, etc. The bottom line on the whole witch hunt is that we have a bunch of “journalists” using their bully pulpits to go after Bonds because he’s uppity.

By old timer

April 9, 2006 11:52 PM | Link to this

Michael, I really tried to like Bonds, wanted to get behind him in his effort to catch Aaron, mainly because that’s what Aaron wanted. But there is so much evidence that Bonds is a jackass (sorry southernradiopersonalitygonehaywireetc), besides what the SF Chronicle reporters are putting out, that it’s hard to pull for the guy. And Brewerfan, you might be right. Bonds may not have enough left to catch Aaron. (And I don’t think Bonds would be even close to Aaron if it weren’t for steroids; he was a sure-fire Hall of Famer before he started taking those drugs, it’s true, but he wasn’t going to come anywhere near 700 homers.)

By Michael Scott

April 10, 2006 12:12 AM | Link to this

Why is Aaron such a God now, NO ONE wanted him to break Ruth’s record back then. And what does being a jackass have to do with anything, old timer? Clear the HOF, if THAT’S a disqualifier. As to Brewerfan, my condolences, being a Brewer fan will make any guy irrational ( Scott Brosius!??! Get real).Bonds is over forty, sure his numbers will decline. He is still the greatest ball player of his era. Oops, sorry, Brewfan, I meant the best player OTHER THAN Brosius.

By Michael Scott

April 10, 2006 01:18 AM | Link to this

History lesson, guys: Aaron was not even considered the best right fielder of his day (Clemente was). There have been about a hundred more feared home run hitters than Hank ( but no, not Brosius, Brewfan). His record can be attributed more to steadiness and longevity than “greatness”. And was this longevity aided by “performance enhancers”? We’ll never know, probably. But there is plenty of evidence that amphetamine use was rampant then. Was Hank above all that? Again, we’ll never know. There are a lot of guys now wearing suits who can get extremely sanctimonious on the drug issue, now that they are safely out of the fray. And old timer: there IS NOT any grand jury testimony that Bonds knowingly used steroids. This is a prime example of how the press can distort the facts. All we know about the grand jury testimony is what the Chronicle reporters have divulged and there is not any first hand testimony at all regarding Bonds’ usage. These guys have what Greg Anderson says and NOTHING else. George Will wrote recently that before you can accept the conclusion you do have to accept the source. On the one hand the reporters would have us believe that Anderson is a conniving drug pushing liar but when it comes to getting Bonds, his word is gospel. But my protest with all this has less to do with whether Bonds ever used or not, but rather where all the drooling, rabid HATRED is coming from. I don’t see it for McGwire ( pity, perhaps) or Giambi, or any of the guys who have actually tested positive; only Bonds seems to be able to bring the brewfans out of their pokes. I just cannot leave this discussion until I get to The Babe himself. I think when he hit 60, the second most was FOURTEEN!! What’s THAT? And look at the pictures: bloated, little legs, big barrel of a chest: what was HE on?

By brewerfaninATL

April 10, 2006 06:51 AM | Link to this

Michael Scott: How many championships does your God Bonds own? NONE…ZERO…ZILCH! He had numerous chances to obtain one too and he choked big time, he vanished like a fart in the wind! True, Brosius will never make the HOF, but if you read my post very closely, which I doubt you did, I named players who are clutch when the games matter the most, guys who have ice water in their veins (not drugs), guys who WANT the pressure in the waning moments, and more importantly, guys who will sacrifice anything to get that championship and SUCCEED for the better of the TEAM (a concept Bonds has yet to grasp)…that is the TRUE charcter of a WINNER! What does Bonds do in the face of pressure? He cowers in the corner, whimpering like the little wuss that he is, blaming the media (of course) that they’re the reason he doesn’t perform…you know, making excuses. Obviously, Bonds could give a rat’s @$$ about making those sacrifices seeing as he made it abundently clear in 1999 he would much rather go for the record books than lead his team (laughingly, he claims to be a leader) to the Promised Land! Remember, excuses are for losers and BONDS is the BIGGEST LOSER, well, next TO YOU of course! Take your silly little banter on the little kids blog because that’s where your education lies!

By cynasm

April 10, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

       We will never know whether he took steroids or not.  He will never confess to it and if baseball finds something they will say he was set up.  I agree with some other people in this blog, if he wasn't such an arrogant a$$ all these years people would be a little more forgiving with him.  But even the thought of him cheating instantly ruins anybodies willingness to accept his record.  Look at how everybody judges McGwire since his "testimony".  I don't like him, but this is baseball's fault.  And here is a question you have to ask yourself.

IS IT CHEATING IF THERE ARE NO RULES FOR IT OR AGAINST IT?!?

By A Fan

April 10, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

brewerfaninATL,

Bonds throw to the plate in the ‘92 NLCS was a strong accurate one that may have even gotten Bream. I just watched the tape this weekend. It was a very close play. It was not a 14 hopper by any stretch.

Ernie Banks never won a WS, Ted Wiliams never won a WS. A WS ring does not mean anything except that the player played on a great team. Bonds has not had “upteen” chances at a ring. The 2002 team was the best team he played on and it went 7 games.

ghs,

Babe Ruth never had to play against the best players. Black were not even aloowed to play until 1947. And it wasn’t until years later that all teams allowed blacks to play. The generations of yesterday played their careers when starting picthers went 9 innings every start. So the hitters got to see a guy 4 or 5 times in a game. Today, a hitter only sees the starter 2 times the nhas two more at bats against two different pitchers. It wasn’t until the late 70’s that relief played a big role on a team. There is a lefty specialist, groundball specialist and so on in today’s game. Today’s hitters have it a lot tougher as well with all of the road trips. They never used to make as many cross country trips. The media is 100 times worst today than it was for yesterdays generation.

Each generation had it’s top stars. Each generation had it’s Hall OF Famers. Nobody should compare guys that played 50 years apart. Things are completely different.

By brewerfaninATL

April 10, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

A Fan: Sorry, Bream beat the play even with 2 shot knees and a piano on his back (from a supposed Gold Glover!)…that is SAD! Plus, Bonds was playing LEFT field and Bream was on second so there was NO WAY Bream should have scored…just another choke job by Barroid! Let’s see, Bonds had a chance in 1990 vs. Reds, 1991 vs. Braves, 1992 vs. Braves, helped choke away a huge lead in the division in 1993, 2000 vs. Mets, and then 2002 vs. Angels. ‘90, ‘91, ‘92 and ‘93 were the ultimate choke-jobs, 2000 he was OK at best and he did fine in ‘02, BUT while he was on the ‘roids! That, my man, is umpteen chances to get to the Promised Land! Ernie Banks? Look at the team that was surrounding him, same with Nolan Ryan when he left the Mets…for decades he was on teams that were mired in mediocrity. They did all they could with little talent surrounding them, while Bonds HAS had great talent surrounding him, as the numerous trips to the playoffs will atest.

By Cur

April 10, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

Barry’s problem is his Image. But now it’s too late to make a change of that. Nice guys will get away if they are steroids users.

By A Fan

April 10, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

brewerfaninATL,

Sorry, but I just watched the game this weekend, it was no choke. The ball was not hit that hard. He has no control over that. So it was not his fault that Bream scored. I think there were two outs so the runners were on their way with the pitch. How the he11 do you call Bonds 1993 season a choke? The guy hit .336, with 46 hrs and 29 sb. The teams he was on were not all GREAT teams. The Pirates teams were all good, but not great. Bonds was amazing in the 2002 WS. A team does not win or lose a series just because of one man. And there is still no PROOF that Bonds took steroids. You can not convict a man based on assumptions. Just because he did well in his late 30’s does not mean he was on steroids. What made Aaron so productive in his late 30’s? He hit 203 HRs from 1969 (Age 35) through 1973 (Age 39). His HR totals were 44 (1969), 38 (1970), 47 (1971), 34 (1972) and 40 in 392 ABs in 1973 at the age of 39. I am not saying Aaron took steroids or even amphetamines (greenies), but it’s possible. Braves pitcher Tom House did not mention any names, but said he saw steroids and greenies being taken in the 60’s and 70’s. In fact, House said they would take anything to get an edge. And it is a little odd how Aaron has never spoken up against Bonds breaking his record. People also say Bonds gained so much weight. Well, many guys do. Andruw Jones has gained a lot of weight over the last few years.

The only reason everybody is on Bonds so much is because he is a jerk. And I agree, he is one of the biggest a*******holes I have ever seen. There’s denying that! But that does not mean we should convict him because of accusations and assumptions. The guy is still one of the greatest players of all time.

By A Fan

April 10, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

It was supposed to be “And I agree, he is one of the biggest a**holes I have ever seen. There’s NO denying that!”

By Michael Scott

April 10, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

brewfan is probably a pretty smart guy, maybe he even finished grade school with a little help. But just the THOUGHT of Barry Bonds makes him write incredibly ridiculous, stupid things. And what are we to think of the people linking Bonds with McKinney and O.J. Simpson? What is the common thread? None. Oh, except race. As A Fan notes, Ruth never had to compete against blacks (or Latins), Bonds might be chasing Josh Gibson if he had. In the 2002 postseason, including the World Series, Bonds had 72 plate appearances, reached base 43 times, batting average of .355, 8 HRs. His performance in the series that year was one of ther greatest of all time. His team did not win, of course, but only a brewfan could lay that on Bonds. His CAREER on base average in the post season is over .400. It’s interesting that brewfan talks of baseball being a team game but blames only Bonds for his teams not winning the series. I dare say Bonds MIGHT have pitched better than Livan Hernandez in the 7th game in ‘02, given the chance. Barry Bonds is not a God, he is merely a great baseball player. He did not invent steroids. A true investigation would not begin and end with Bonds, as this one seems destined to do; but would start with the Midget League coaches encouraging the youngsters to “bulk up”, the team owners, trainers, all of those who use and abuse our young people for profit. That Barry Bonds is seen as the grand villain ignores this much larger issue. An even bigger issue will never be cured- how people like brewfan can be filled with such hatred for a baseball player.

By ghs

April 10, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

I repeat one last time…BONDS WILL NEVER HAVE THE RESPECT OF THOSE WHO RESPECT THE GAME..

You Bonds worshippers are free to have him forever. Nobody else wants anything to do with him.

By brewerfaninATL

April 10, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

Michael Scott: A racist? Yeah, here I’ve been talking about Ken Griffey Jr. being one of the TRUE great stars for over a month now…so I’m a racist! Tony Gwynn was/is my all-time favorite hitter in the game and I’m a racist! Let’s see, I’ve also stated my disdain for Pete Rose and Mark McGwire on numerous occasions and so I’m a racist! You are just saying stupid things to protect your “God” of a ballplayer. Let me ask you this, when have I ever linked Cynthia McKinney or O.J. Simpson in this whole thing? Do me a favor, before you start putting words in my mouth (falsely), read MY blogs, not the other bloggers, and you’ll see NO racism coming from me! Bottom line is Bonds IS A CHEATER, just like McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, Giambi, Rose (looks like a mixture of races there, buddy!), etc. And he WILL get what’s coming to him…just watch!

By brewerfaninATL

April 10, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

Also, Michael, his .400 OBP is skewed due to the 2002 playoff/WS performance (when he was on the juice) where he had insane numbers. Check his playoff stats BEFORE he juiced and you’ll see a totally different number. And, YES, he did choke at the end of the ‘93 season…his gaudy stats were from April through the end of July, at least the majority were…look it up! He is NOT one of the great players of all time, he is one of the great CHEATERS of all time…BIG difference!

By Michael Scott

April 10, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

brewfan, you need to read more closely. I only called you stupid and ignorant, not racist. BTW- you like to throw Griffey, Jr. out there. What are his numbers before and after the testing started? How many rings does HE have? Doesn’t look good for Ken on that front. If testing is the joke you claim it to be, how can you be so sure of Griffey, Jr. being clean? Or ANYONE for that matter?

By brewerfaninATL

April 10, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Michael: Griffey has been extremely consistent his whole career, plus look at his body…he has been and IS rail thin through his WHOLE career. Bonds went from a 190lb. string bean to a 250-260lb. behemoth…proof is in the pudding! Plus, Bonds jumps from a career high of 46 HR (back in 1993) to 73 just a mere EIGHT years later, with the best batting eye since Ted Williams? Come on, now you’re just being downright silly…you know you’re wrong and I’m right…Griffey on ‘roids! LOL, I bet Greg Maddux was/is on the juice and I guess Dale Murphy was too, or how about even Juan Pierre? They must all be juicers too!

By A Fan

April 10, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

brewerfaninATL,

Griffey is a lot bigger than he was when he first came up to the big leagues. You can’t say a guy is on steroids just because he gained weight. Bonds did progressively get bigger. But so did Hank Aaron. His great power numbers in his late 30’s suggest he may not have done it all naturally. Greenies were VERY popular in the 60’s and 70’s. And according to BRAVES pitcher Tom House, so weren’t steroids or any drug edge they could get. I’m not saying Aaron cheated. But I do not know. Nobody knows but Aaron. Now, I’m not saying Bonds did not take steroids! I’m not saying he did take them. I do NOT know. You do NOT know either. Nobody knows but Bonds. All I’m saying is until there is hard core evidence, the man should be considered innocent. That’s a problem with this country. We preach innocent until proven guilty, but that’s not how it is. Especially when it comes to a man thought to be a jerk. You WANT Bonds to be guilty because he is a jerk. You are not looking at the facts. Just some assumptions and accusations from criminals and a p** off ex-girlfriend. Even the new books out CLAIM that Bonds told Griffey he was going to use steroids. Griffey DENIED that and said Bonds NEVER once said anything like that.

By brewerfaninATL

April 10, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Michael: We’ll see! You’ll soon have your proof/facts. Bonds did NOT get progressively bigger, it was night and day different. No, this has nothing to do with hatred, I just want to see the CHEATERS get their justice, nothing more, nothing less! Wait a minute, Will Clark must have been on steroids too, he looked bulkier at the end of his career!!!!!

By Michael Scott

April 10, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

Weight gain is now proof of steroid use ? And the stats do not back up your claim that Griffey, Jr. has been consistent. Since testing started he has hit 98 home runs in 5 seasons. In the TWO previous years he hit 88. You can’t chalk that up to injury and remain consistent yourself since you don’t give Bonds the same benefit. Look, no one knows yet the full extent of steroid use in MLB; I suspect that a thorough investigation would put the number well above 50 percent. But a thorough investigation is not in the offing: this is about Bonds and that is pathetic. It SHOULD be about ownership, management, the pushers, and the enablers. And our sports culture in general, one that does little to prepare young people for life; only for the corporate “profit enhancement”. It’s interesting that you seem to actually take delight in the prospect of Bonds facing a bleak old age due to steroid related health problems. It’s also mean-spirited. If he and other alleged users will suffer, that is not cause for glee, but for anger at the people responsible. Those people are NOT Bonds and McGwire, my friend.

By A Fan

April 10, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

brewerfaninATL,

I agree that steroids need to be removed from the game. No only for the integrity, but also for the kids that look up to players. But I do not agree with the witch-hunt on Bonds. And nobody knows who has taken steroids. But they were around before the 80’s. They have been around since the 30’s and 40’s. They got popular in the 60’s and 70’s. They then got extremely popular in the 90’s. I think MLB is headed in the right direction though. But nobody can say who took them and who didn’t. The investigation will probably be limited to 2003 season and beyond. I doubt very much they would go back much further. And yet guys like Tom House have reported steroids were being used in the 60’s and 70’s, but Selig would not dare question all of the games “greats”. Selig does not have the balls to go back to see if the steroid and amphetamine use was as rampant as players say it was in the 60’s and 70’s. That’s the problem, this investigation is pointed at BARRY BONDS and BARRY BONDS only. Today’s players are not the only ones using these drugs.

By brewerfaninATL

April 10, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

A Fan: Nice that I can agree with you on this! Yeah, the new drug testing is a step in the right direction but I just wish they could have had this in place for a long, long time by now. You’re also right, it ain’t just Bonds, it was Palmeiro, Sosa, McGwire, Giambi, Caminiti, prob. Bret Boone also. They’ll get theirs too, I don’t wish death, only justice! Unfortunately, Caminiti’s came too soon…that is SAD!

Michael: Griffey missed half-seasons if not most seasons in the past 5 years (basically since he’s been with the Reds) so he would have maintained his consistency, just as he had since 1990. Stop making obnoxious insinuations, you are WAY to melodramatic…when did I say I wanted Bonds or McGwire (or all the other cheaters) to die a nasty death? All I’m saying is that once the proof is out they should suffer the same as Pete Rose…baseball HOF purgatory!

By Matthew

April 10, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Michael Scott,

I applaude you on your intelligent and rational post. At least somebody gets it. There is no smoking gun showing Bonds took steroids, just speculation and circumstantial evidence.

He has been successfully tried in the court of public opinion thanks to the media though, as seen on this discussion thread. It is sad that people are cheering the fact that he could die young through steroid use. Considering how Bond’s is treated with nothing but contempt, it is no wonder he isn’t denying things to the press. With all this hate for the man, he doesn’t stand a chance any way. Hell, look at A-Rod, he is a choir boy yet the press and fans take shots at every chance possible.

I also agree it isn’t Bonds or any of the athletes “fault” as it is the owners and the system which empowered the “steroid era” of baseball to even happen. These players were just playing by the “rules” which were enforced at the time. The owners and the league enjoyed the revenue stream too much to address the issue. It wasn’t until bad publicity risked revenues that baseball even addressed the issue.

Is it just a coincidence that the steroid era seems to correspond with the “no comissioner/make an owner (Bud Selig) comissioner” era? If baseball had a real, neutral, comissioner like it is supposed to be instead of an owner who is a “yes man” for the rest of the owners, maybe the steroid era would have been nipped in the bud. Instead you have an owner, blinded by profits, ignorring the whole thing and letting it become a major crisis.

By A Fan

April 10, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

brewerfaninATL,

Was it because Griffey was getting off steroids? Injuries after steroids. That is what you are saying happens. I’m not say Griffey was taking steroids, but he also gained a lot of weight, then got injured often once the investigation started. Hey, same thing everybody is claiming about Bonds. The only difference is Griffey does not have a pi ssed off ex-mistress and criminals making accusations and assumptions.

It’s just pointing out the witch-hunt for Bonds. And it’s more than just Palmeiro, Sosa, McGwire, Giambi, Caminiti, Bret Boone that should be under suspicion. It’s all of baseball from the 40’s through today that should be investigated. Why the he11 else would Tom House say that he saw steroids and greenies being taken in the 60’s and 70’s? Selig is just going with the popular consensus with this investigation…BARRY BONDS. If the public would open their eyes and realize that these so called “natural” records might not be so natural, Selig might actually have a COMPLETE investigation done.

By bdglen

April 10, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

WEIGHT GAIN PROVES STEROID USE…?????

Anyone who took the time to watch “Bonds on Bonds” last week on ESPN would be able to tell you that the numerous videos shown of Barry with and alongside his father Bobby showed they had virtually the SAME body.

The amazing thig was that even in the last few months of his life, his body racked with lung cancer, Bobby Bonds and Barry Bondss had virtually the same body. Granted Barry was bigger and leaner, but his body wasn’t riddled with cancer. And you don’t treat cancer with steroids.

For you young’uns who don’t realize it yet, you have a big surprise coming your way.

If weight gain is proof of steroid use then all the below are guilty because ALL the below gained weight as their career progressed.

Andruw Jones Chipper Jones Griffey Jr. Jim Thome Alex Rodriquez Albert Pujols Babe, Ruth, Ted Williams and on and on and on……

If you didn’t see the first episode of “Bonds on Bonds”, try and find it and watch it, you owe it to yourself to find out something about the man you love to hate. The first episode was pretty interesting, it included shots of hate mail, death threats and all the vitriol Bonds has dealt with on a daily basis for virtually his entire career. It probably won’t change your opinion about Bonds, but it sure as hell shows you the life of a man who up until now NO ONE besides his family has ever seen.

Watch it you might learn something you never knew. It addressed the Steroid issue too and I’m sure it won’t be the last time the series deals with that issue.

By Michael Scott

April 10, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

Quotes from brewerfaninATL:

“His testicles are probably shriveled up little peas” “stick a fork in the guy, the fat, selfish pumpkin-head is crumbling right before our eyes!” “Ha, I won’t be the one on the death bed, gravely ill from all the steroids that wrecked his body and organs, begging God for forgiveness”

Sounds like glee to me. That’s mean stuff, brewerfan.But I’m sure you just got carried away. Ignorant hatred will do that, you might ask for a little forgiveness yourself.

By A Fan

April 10, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

Matthew,

Very well said.

By Lover of Fundamentalist Basseball

April 10, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

Barry Bonds is the poorest example of a baseball player. Anyone who fights his own teamate in the dugout needs to leave the game. Baseball is the greatest game and should be cheerished as “America’s Past-time” but when the game turns to power and homeruns as its emphasis rather than seeing the beauty in a double play or guys busting their butts the game is doomed. There is no wonder why the talk of steroids in baseball is upon us. Power=Money. Thanks Steinbrener and Bonds and all the others who have ruined a wonderful sport. nWe praise a guy for getting close to a record…Will steroids be a factor if he surpasses Hank? Probably not, And Pete Rose will never get into the Hall of Fame where he should be.

Abner Doubleday is turning in his grave.

By bdglen

April 10, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

Lover of Fundamentalist Basseball

I’ll assume you talking about Jeff Kent. A few things to remember, Jeff Kent threw the first verbal punch AND the first physical punch.

Jeff Kent has been a cancer on every tem he has played onj, ask the Dodgers, Astros, Giants, Mets, Blue Jays, Indians.

In fact Barry bonds and the Ginats were the only team to pout up with his sh*t for more than a few years.

But I agree, HR’s are over-rated, I say the Babe, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron all all bad for the game.

sheesh…..I continue to be amazed and astonished.

I do agree however that Rose should be in the HOF, his banishment brings more shame to the game than his inclusion by far.

By Matthew

April 10, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

Lover of Fundamentalist Basseball, excellent point. That is why the U.S. barely made it to the second round in the WBS, lack of fundamentals and too much emphasis on the “power” aspect of the game.

Did you see how flawlessly the Japanese infield played? The countries whose teams lacked the most major league influence: Japan, Korea, and Cuba were the best teams.

Why? Instead of being corrupted by the “chicks dig the long ball” culture of the Major Leagues, they concentrated on the fundamentals. Eerily simillar to how the rest of the world has surpassed the U.S. in basketball. While American kids were practicing their dunks, the kids in the other countries were paracticing shooting and other fundamentals.

By Michael Scott

April 10, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

The world has surpassed the U.S. in basketball? Which world might you be referring to? Certainly not this one. And while I’m delighted that the WBS gave us a chance to see some players that we don’t get a chance to watch regularly, it is just ludicrous to suggest that Japanese or Korean baseball is on a par with ours, let alone superior. Most of our best players were in camp with their teams ( where they belonged). The scheduling of the WBS left something to be desired, I’d say. I’d agree that oft times the fundamentals are an over looked aspect of the game, but I think it’s a stretch to suggest that the Babe, or Aaron, were BAD for the game. It used to be said that only home run hitters drove Cadillacs, now of course even the .198 guys do.

By Randall Green III

April 10, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

I hate to interrupt your little tiff, but I just wanted to make a point.

As of NOW, nothing has surfaced to prove that Bonds has KNOWINGLY used steroids. He covered his butt by claiming that he blindly applied the “clear” and the “cream” without knowing what he was putting on/in his body. (WHAAT ATHLETE WOULD DO THAT???) I could ramble for hours on this point alone. Think about his reasons for making this comment: If it ever came to light that he actually did use steroids, he could fall back on the old….”Hey, I didn’t know….it’s not my fault.” You didn’t know??? Maybe the 25 pounds of muscle, that bucket head, and the fly balls that used to be caught in shallow right that suddenly started flying into the bay should have been your first clue that something else was in the cream, the pills and the injections that he “blindly” put in/on his body.

Bonds is no moron. A selfish jerk, yes. A moron, no. He would have to be retarded to not know that something was amiss.

The bottom line is that although nothing has yet surfaced to shine a light on any wrongdoing…it will. There are too many people that Bonds has p** off. Too many people who would love nothing more than to see Bonds’ legacy crushed…his records tainted as a cheater.

This whole steroids thing is totally out of hand. It is sad to me that these players (Bonds, McGwire, Canseco, et. al) consider themselves above the game. Be a naysayer all you desire….but rest assured, judgment cometh, and sooner than later. Watch and see.

I would like to say I am shocked that Bonds would cheat just to put up bigger personal numbers, but what do you expect from a guy who positioned his big screen TV in the locker room so that no one else could watch it but him?

I have no sympathy for the guy whatsoever. I will cherish it when he goes down in the flames he has fanned for so long.

Barry Bonds: Cheater, jerk, embarrassment to the game that made him rich. What a disgrace.

By brewerfaninATL

April 10, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

Michael: I said that would probably be Bonds’ FATE, nowhere did I say that I WISH he would die a nasty death…two different things there. Did you see the way Lyle Alzado looked right before his death? That wasn’t me WISHING a rotten death…that was REALITY! Maybe it will be the same for Bonds, maybe it won’t but it sure will speed the death process up…another REALITY, not me WISHING! Were my words harsh, yes they were, but that’s what happens to the human body when it’s intoxicated with steroids…REALITY! Sorry if it was sickening to you but it’s too bad Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, or anyone who has injected steroids won’t listen because FATE has nasty timing…another REALITY!

Randall Green III: Great post! That puts it all in perspective!

Matthew: I agree with you (did I say that?!) about Korea and Japan, and other countries for that matter working on and teaching fundamentals…that is becoming a lost art here in the U.S.A. Have the other countries surpassed us? I don’t know about that BUT I think they are on par with us, without question. Yes, we did get beat in the 2nd Round, but as Michael Scott pointed out, some of our best players were in camp with their ML teams. It would have been entertaining , though, without question!

By friend of bonds?

April 10, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

It seems funny that so many people talk as if they personally know Bonds. The comments are so strong about him as a person considering none of you know him. Reading the blog makes me think of the comment about the pen being mightier than the sword. It’s evident that the media has used a Jedi mind-trick on you guys. They say/suggest anything and it is accepted as gospel. Just realize that the very people writing the stories are the ones who don’t like Bonds. I can’t say that I know the guy so I definitely wouldn’t make a personal comment about him. He’s a man…just like all of us men. And it appears that he’s been chosen to take the blame for “baseball’s problem”. I guess they had to choose someone that could handle it. Barry, just keep being yourself. Being liked is not a sign of respect.

By Michael Scott

April 10, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

Randall: Judgement cometh? Naysayer? Bonds going down in flames? Are you Pat Robertson? And those that DO NOT BELIEVE as you are heathens and infidels? We are talking about baseball, Randall. Well, some of us are. If you want Barry in hell because he hogs the big screen, go for it. And brewerfan, I actually do think you’re just probably having fun with this (Gosh, I hope so), but boy, stay out of Randall’s camp: you just never know who God’s gonna come git: it might NOT be Barry, you know.

By MBBRAVESFAN

April 10, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

I not only hate Bonds with a passion, but I also hate ESPN just as much. They are all in his pocket, and anyone who goes to their website can see why. They have an entire PAGE devoted to him, which shows all of the following:

• Bonds’ 2006 stats, including when and against whom he hit his last home run.

• A section titled “Blogging Bonds,” with an article about how he’s being avoided.

• A section titled “Barry Bonds Headlines,” with every article he has been in this year.

• A section titled “Stat Pack: Comparing the Leaders,” which is a disgraceful statboard comparing Bonds to the real greats Aaron and Ruth.

• A section titled “Barry Bonds Home Run Breakdown,” which sorts his home runs by year, park, “victim”, day, month, and even inning.

• A section where they predict the date when he will break Hank’s record as well as Ruth’s. They are, unsurprisingly, predicting him to break the record in September. Not only do they want fans to predict the dates, but they also want them to predict this years ratios for plate appearances per game, at bats per game, walks per game, and home runs to at bats.

• The top three home run leaders of all time, with Barroid Bonds at #3, without an asterisk (which I think should be included if he breaks the record).

• And they have listed every TV clip Bonds has been in this year so people can watch them, not that any sane person would want to.

My point is, BARRY BONDS IS A LOUSY, GOOD FOR NOTHING, LYING, CHEATING SON OF A B** and EVERY record he has set should not be recognized!!! There is no room in this great game for cheaters like him!!! And to anyone who believes and supports Bonds: Go buy “Game of Shadows” and read it in it’s entirety (as I have done). THEN you will see what a lying, cheating bastard Bonds is. As for ESPN, I think every loyal baseball fan should boycott them for good. If you live in the south, watch the Southern Sports Report. They are better than ESPN in many ways. And I have something to say about that BS Willie McCovey came out with: Willie, I thought better of you before I read that. If you think this is a racial issue, then you seriously need a lobotomy because you are going senile. That hate mail he is receiving is not about Bonds’ race, but about his INTEGRITY. A real baseball player doesn’t resort to steroids in an effort to earn more publicity, he uses his NATURAL TALENT. Barry cheated out of jealousy, and for that, I DESPISE him.

By Michael Scott

April 10, 2006 06:14 PM | Link to this

The Southern Sports Report? I think I’ve heard of it. Up to the minute lynching totals. Film at eleven.

By MBBRAVESFAN

April 10, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this

Michael Scott, this isn’t the days of the KKK. If you wish it was, go to hell. This Bonds fiasco has nothing to do with race, and if you are siding with McCovey and Barroid then you need a lobotomy as well.

By OldTimer

April 10, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

Ruth died wihout a peer. Such was his life. He phoned it in.

By Michael Scott

April 10, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

Lighten up MBravesFan. If it wasn’t about race, you guys would be spending just as much time ragging on McGwire. No, it’s not JUST that Bonds is black- he’s black and uppity. Flaunts his wealth. He’s just not a GOOD black boy.And y’all really think you know who’s going to hell and who isn’t. Why don’t you read the part about ” Judgeth not, lest ye be judged”. Or did you think that was about Instant Replay?

By Randall Green III

April 10, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

friendofbonds?:

You don’t have to know someone personally to know that they are a selfish jerk. That’s the ironic thing about this whole issue. Bonds only needs to be “nice” a few minutes every day. We judge him by how he CHOOSES to appear to the media. He CHOOSES to be an a$$. Therefore he will have to face the consequences when he is judged as such.

Michael Scott:

“Judgment” refers to the judgment that assuredly comes. Mine, yours, and that of the rest of the fans, when the truth comes out…and it WILL eventually come out. Sooner than later. Trust me.

Since when is “naysayer” a biblical term? “Going down in flames” is a very common, if not cliched, expression. Look it up. You seem to have a “god” fixation.

Great detective work, Sherlock. I am an atheist, you moron.

By Michael Scott

April 10, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

It is your choice to post with such exaggerated “prose”. Now I DESPISE the people responsible for our young men and women dying in a needless war, I DESPISE the profiteering in our young athletes, I DESPISE whoever invented flavored potato chips. You know, Randall, important stuff. BTW- “naysayer” is from the Bible. That’s the book in your bedside table. The one next to the .45.

By MBBRAVESFAN

April 10, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

Michael Scott, first of all, McGwire was not about to break the greatest home run record of all time! Second of all, in case you were wondering, I hate McGwire for cheating just as much as I hate Bonds for it! Cheating is cheating, no matter who does it, no matter their race, no matter their sport.

By Ernest McLean

April 11, 2006 01:18 AM | Link to this

Mr. Terence Moore. I just saw you on ESPN’s Outside the Lines commenting on the racial aspects of the hate mail Barry Bonds receives and Willie McCovey’s comments. the way you dismiss it as trivial.

It’s late, I have to go to bed and try to get a few hours sleep before getting up for work tomorrow. For that reason the only comment I have for you right now is that you are the biggest UNCLE TOM COON N**** I have ever heard or seen on TV.

Trust me, I will have more for you and the other blind sheep Bonds attackers later……..

By Ernest McLean

April 11, 2006 01:18 AM | Link to this

Mr. Terence Moore. I just saw you on ESPN’s Outside the Lines commenting on the racial aspects of the hate mail Barry Bonds receives and Willie McCovey’s comments. the way you dismiss it as trivial.

It’s late, I have to go to bed and try to get a few hours sleep before getting up for work tomorrow. For that reason the only comment I have for you right now is that you are the biggest UNCLE TOM COON N**** I have ever heard or seen on or off TV.

Trust me, I will have more for you and the other blind sheep Bonds attackers later……..

By Manger Borne

April 11, 2006 01:36 AM | Link to this

Bob Lee hosted an ESPN segment whereas the death threats and hate mail Barry (“Bury”) Bonds is receiving was examined.

What Mr. Lee forgot to include was the daily segments of ESPN and other sporting shows, where “Bury” was lynched, characterly assassinated and humiliated as selfish, …”an a***** to the media.” With all this negative coverage and messages being portrayed against a man, how can the neo Nazi’s, kkk, and reproductively/athletically insecure non-Blacks not help but blossom?

As an evaluator of the techniques of systemic hatred, Bob forgot (sure) to mention how many whites hate to see African-American’s regularly “take-over,” and dominate sports we enter. Therefore, just like Jeremy Schaap pushed the hate-dometer over the limit with his OTL show about, how come the NBA is oh, so Black, it’s things like this that ESPN brainwashes the gullible public with, then hides behind more constructive and objective coverage’s; after the death-threats and lynch birds, appear.

Just like Schaap’s ESPN segment revealed how whites truly see the ‘Color’ of their heroes, not just the sport. Where Mr. Schaap/OTL fell short is, whites dominate ALL sports at the most important level for their future generations—the check-signing, managerial, corporate levels!

By Manger Borne

April 11, 2006 01:37 AM | Link to this

Bob Lee hosted an ESPN segment whereas the death threats and hate mail Barry (“Bury”) Bonds is receiving was examined.

What Mr. Lee forgot to include was the daily segments of ESPN and other sporting shows, where “Bury” was lynched, characterly assassinated and humiliated as selfish, …”an a***** to the media.” With all this negative coverage and messages being portrayed against a man, how can the neo Nazi’s, kkk, and reproductively/athletically insecure non-Blacks not help but blossom?

As an evaluator of the techniques of systemic hatred, Bob forgot (sure) to mention how many whites hate to see African-American’s regularly “take-over,” and dominate sports we enter. Therefore, just like Jeremy Schaap pushed the hate-dometer over the limit with his OTL show about, how come the NBA is oh, so Black, it’s things like this that ESPN brainwashes the gullible public with, then hides behind more constructive and objective coverage’s; after the death-threats and lynch birds, appear.

Just like Schaap’s ESPN segment revealed how whites truly see the ‘Color’ of their heroes, not just the sport. Where Mr. Schaap/OTL fell short is, whites dominate ALL sports at the most important level for their future generations—the check-signing, managerial, corporate levels!

By Manger Borne

April 11, 2006 01:38 AM | Link to this

Bob Lee hosted an ESPN segment whereas the death threats and hate mail Barry (“Bury”) Bonds is receiving was examined.

What Mr. Lee forgot to include was the daily segments of ESPN and other sporting shows, where “Bury” was lynched, characterly assassinated and humiliated as selfish, …”an a***** to the media.” With all this negative coverage and messages being portrayed against a man, how can the neo Nazi’s, kkk, and reproductively/athletically insecure non-Blacks not help but blossom?

As an evaluator of the techniques of systemic hatred, Bob forgot (sure) to mention how many whites hate to see African-American’s regularly “take-over,” and dominate sports we enter. Therefore, just like Jeremy Schaap pushed the hate-dometer over the limit with his OTL show about, how come the NBA is oh, so Black, it’s things like this that ESPN brainwashes the gullible public with, then hides behind more constructive and objective coverage’s; after the death-threats and lynch birds, appear.

Just like Schaap’s ESPN segment revealed how whites truly see the ‘Color’ of their heroes, not just the sport. Where Mr. Schaap/OTL fell short is, whites dominate ALL sports at the most important level for their future generations—the check-signing, managerial, corporate levels!

By brewerfaninATL

April 11, 2006 06:57 AM | Link to this

Michael Scott: You sure like to stand up on your soapbox and call all of us “racists” when this blog was started by none other than Terence Moore! HE is the one who began this whole “racial thing”, as you like to call it, so why don’t you call HIM out and call him names? It’s so easy to point fingers at the white masses and call them/us racists when we simply want justice served, not just for Bonds, but for MC GWIRE also. Yet, all people like you do is cry “racism” which is the easy way out! I’ll tell you what, I have news for you, it ain’t just the whites, it’s the blacks too (Terence Moore) who feed into this frenzy! So YOU tell ME, which is worse? It’s all about publicity and publicity is colorblind!

By brewerfaninATL

April 11, 2006 07:32 AM | Link to this

Oh, and bdglen: You like to mention that Barry and Bobby Bonds had virtually the same bodies at the same age. HAHA LOL! Barry is 250-260lbs. of rock-solid muscle (from the juice) whereas Bobby just got fat and out of shape (of course, he was terminally ill later on), you know like many “normal” bodies will do once their careers are over! Have you seen Ryne Sandberg lately or Paul Molitor…they were on the thin side when they played but have gained a ton of weight since their careers ended, must be the steroids, huh?

By Matthew

April 11, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

Michael Scott,

I live in the world where the U.S. “Dream Team” is getting schooled by other countries teams in the World Championships and the Olympic Games.

No, Aarron and Ruth didn’t ruin the game with their home runs, but they also weren’t striking out 100+ times a year. So many of today’s “power hitters” try to pull everything and don’t know how to hit the ball.

Playing defense and hitting the ball for average as well as power is becomming a lost art in the Majors.

By A Fan

April 11, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

MBBRAVESFAN , You said it all with just two lines that prove our point: The first ; “I not only hate Bonds with a passion, but I also hate ESPN just as much.” You hate Bonds. That is the problem with this. People ASSUME things when they hate somebody. They do not use an open mind. It’s clouded by hate! You assume that everything in that book is gospel. It must be, somebody wrote it or said it right? The FEDS did not have enough evidence against Bonds. If they could not find any, what the he11 makes you think 2 journalists could. I have not had a chance to read it yet, but from what I have read in Sports Illustrated and other publications, all they did was regurgitate everything we already knew. The only new KEY evidence I have heard of from it was the alleged conversation that Bonds had with Griffey. But Griffey DENIED that!!!! He DENIED it!!!!!! NEVER HAPPENED ACCORDING TO THE PERSON BONDS SUPPOSEDLY SAID IT TO!!!!! People write things and say things to MAKE MONEY! Those 2 journalists are making millions off from that book.

The second line: “My point is, BARRY BONDS IS A LOUSY, GOOD FOR NOTHING, LYING, CHEATING SON OF A B** and EVERY record he has set should not be recognized!!!” Again, from your hatred of Bonds, you have assumed he is a cheater. Once again, you ASSUME he is. You have no proof except just because the media thinks so. So it must be right?

You people are so caught up in the circumstantial evidence against Bonds, that you ignore the fact that the original record might not even have been done naturally. Why the he11 else would former BRAVES pitcher, Tom House say that he saw steroids and greenies being taken in the 60’s and 70’s? He is not making any money off from that. I’m sorry but I believe that statement before I believe sh!t that 2 journalists say to make millions. Now I’m not saying I know if Bonds or Aaron took steroids. Nobody knows. But I’m not going to crucify Bonds just because he is an a**hole to the media. Bonds has passed all drug test MLB has given him. And I am not going to assume Aaron is innocent either just because he is a real nice guy.

People are blind to the fact that steroids was a problem before the 90’s. They were a problem in the 60’s and probably before that. Now, yes, I know it became more of a problem in the 90’s , but it did not start then!

By Michael Scott

April 11, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

Matthew: Surely you are not referring to Bonds when you talk about high strike out totals. He is also a multiple Gold Glove Winner. Today’s American baseball is infinitely superior to that of Aaron’s or Ruth’s era if for no other reason than the increased influx of first the blacks, then the Latin players, and more recently, Asians. But there have always been players who don’t know or practice the fundamentals. I would place more of the blame for that on the coaches and management, however. They just don’t stress it. I’ve been to hundreds of games in my 59 years and it never ceases to amaze me that, in batting practice, even the pitchers aren’t bunting or trying to punch the ball directionally. They are swinging for the fences just like the position players. And the manager is watching.

By JOHN B.

April 11, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

Matthew,

Sorry, but Ruth did not play against the best in baseball. It was not until 1947 that Robinson was able to play. It was many years later that every team allowed them to play.

Then add that to the fact that the norm for starting pitchers was going 9 innings then. Today, there is a relief specialist for everything.

Every Era has been different. The game changes so it’s fair to compare players from different generations.

By Matthew

April 11, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

Michael Scott,

No, I wasn’t talking about Bonds, I was referring to hitters like Adan Dunn. From what you said in the last part of your post, you get my point. We are in agreement with the point you made, apparently I didn’t articulate myself well enough.

By brewerfaninATL

April 11, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

Michael: Those Gold Gloves he won were back in the days when he was a skinny runt and could run down the pop flies…that is all he could do in the field. He had and still has a wet noodle of an arm and, now, with his shot knees and legs, he is pretty useless out there (even the routine balls are giving him trouble now). See, unfortunately, the Gold Gloves are mostly given to the offensive stars, esp. outfielders…it’s all a popularity contest!

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

April 11, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

Here is the thing. WHile all the evidence points toward Barry being guilty he has not been proven a cheater. He has never tested positive. And quite honestly the info the writers of the book received is less than credible. An ex-girlfriend. An ex who later admitted she was upset and just trying to get money. The fact the Victor Conte who has sold everyone else out stil insists that he never gave Bonds steroids bothers me. Why would he lie for him? The fact no one can confirm this converstation that supposedly took place at Griffey’s house. Why do all of these “sources” have to stay annyomous? Look, I admit I am a fan of Bonds but have serious doubts about his innocence. That doesn’t change the fact he has to be proven guilty. And let’s be real. I am so tired of people acting like racism no longer exists. Bonds is getting this treatment because of people’s need to bring down stars, because he is a jerk, and because he is black. While racism is better than it was 20 years ago, it still exists. Either people are naive or they are flat out lying when they say otherwise. People aren’t upset about Barry going after Aaron’s record. They are upset about him passing the great Babe Ruth. What kills me is that a lot of great players have cheated. I mean there are pitchers in the hall of fame right now who are among the biggest cheaters in all of sports. But they are applauded and idolized for their behavior. I don’t get that.

By brewerfaninATL

April 11, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

John B: Ok, you say you can’t declare Ruth the greatest of all time, but you can’t declare Josh Gibson the greatest either! There is no guarantee that many of those Negro Leaguers would have prospered in the majors. Remember, for every Josh Gibson there could have been an Albert Hall. It’s a shame we’ll never know how it could have been but that was just the way it was back then…was it wrong, well in hindsight, yes it was!

By Michael Scott

April 11, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

Brewerfan: OK, let’s leave it that it’s NOT racism here. My larger point is still about the HATRED, though. Maybe you just hate easily, black OR white. I have no problem with a full and fair investigation into the scope of steroid use in MLB. I just don’t see that happening here. I hope I am wrong but all I am seeing is a thinly disguised effort to discredit one man: Bonds. And that would be a travesty, not just for Bonds but for baseball. He is obviously the most visible subject but the use of steroids and other performance enhancing ( and performance DESTROYING) substances is an epidemic, not just an abberation. The investigation needs to air IT ALL out. If all it ends up doing is destroying Bonds, it might make a lot of people happy, but it will have accomplished NOTHING.

By JOHN B.

April 11, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

brewerfaninATL ,

I completely agree with you there. All I’m saying is Ruth hit a lot HRs, but he wasn’t playing against the best. I still consider Ruth, Williams, DiMaggio and so on some of the best of all time; just like I consider Aaron, Mays, Gibson, Bonds and so on some of the best of all time. I actually had to stop for a second for each name to think if he was black or white. But that’s because I don’t think of them that way. I think of them all as great baseball players. And I’m thankful I have had a chance to see some of the best play in the last 20 years. My father was lucky enough to see Aaron, Mantle and others of that generation play.

Nobody really knows who the best is or will be. It’s just fun to get to debate about them.

By brewerfaninATL

April 11, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Robert: Wake up and smell the coffee! We ARE upset he is going after Hank Aaron’s record! He is the leader at 755, right? And please, once and for all, stop with this racist crap. I’ve said over a thousand times I despise Mark McGwire as much as Barry. See, I just want the CHEATERS (no matter what race or etnicity) to get to get their dues!

By JOHN B.

April 11, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

brewerfaninATL,

The fact is that every generation of ball players cheated. There’s no doubt in my mind.

And I know what Tom House said, and I know what Jose Canseco and Ken Caminiti said. I know what Bonds ex-mistress said and I know what his criminal ex-trainer said as well. But I also know what Victor Conte has said too. And I know that ex-mistresses and criminals are not that trust worthy.

But it’s just not right to crucify ONE player or ONE generation. I’m sorry but I have my doubts about Bonds and Aaron and every other player. But, I’m not going to ASSUME any of them are guilty based on circumstantial evidence. He11, it would not surprise me if Canseco lied. He loves the attention and needs the money. I doubt he lied, but I would not put it past him.

Like The blogger, A Fan said, you can’t ASSUME somebody is guilty because he is the biggest jerk or a**hole or whatever. And you can’t ASSUME somebody is innocent because he a nice guy.

By brewerfaninATL

April 11, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

John B: You are right, but don’t single ME out! I’m one of the few on here linking Bonds AND McGwire together.

By JOHN B.

April 11, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

brewerfaninATL, My intent wasn’t to single you out.

By bdglen

April 11, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

I’m probably wasting my breath here as I will merely point out what has already been said by others perhaps more eloquenly than I, but here goes anyway.

Randall Green III

In reference to the “clear” and the “cream”. You state unequivocally that NO Athlete would put something into his body that he did not know what it was. FIRST POINT, “The cream” was applied TO his body, NOT in his body. It was rubbed on his elbow and knee. The “Clear” was taken orally, but consider tha facts surrounding both.

Both were supplied by Greg Anderson, Bonds trainer AND boyhood friend. They had a personal relationship going back to their childhood so it is natural to assume a certain level of trust between the two. Is it reasonable to assume that Bonds believed his friend and trainer was applying an arthritic cream to his joints?

ABSOLUTELY YES!

Is it reasonable to assume that Bonds believed his friend and trainer was giving him a nutritional supplement of flaxseed oil, called “clear”?

ABSOLUTELY YES! And here is why, Every time you go to your Doctor, a friend and someone you trust, and they prescribe something for you, you take it because the Doctor is someone you trust and believe. YOU have bo idea what they are giving you in actuality, unless you are a bio-chemist, but you follow their directions because you trust that they would not give you anything dangerous, illegal or innefective to the problem you have. You have a presonal and a professional relationship to this Doctor, who works for you.

Bonds had NO REASON to believe that Greg Anderson, a man who he had a long time friendship with would do anything to harm him either physically or legally.

Another point to consider, NO balm, cream or exteriorly appllied substance of any kind in the history of mankind has ever increased muscle mass or turned a mere mortal into a superman, so to think this “cream” somehow made Bonds into an athlete that he wasn’t already is ludicrous.

It has also been suggested in “Game of Shadows” that Bonds used HGH (Human Growth Hormone) in massive dosses. I can tell you from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, HGH cannot be taken in the kind of dosses that “Game of Shadows” alludes to. I was prescribed injectable HGH in 1998 and after one month of every other day injections, my muscles and joints were so sore I could barely get out of bed. This is a side effect of HGH. NO ONE could take the ammounts of HGH that this book claims Bonds did.

SECOND POINT, you claim Bonds is so selfish, that his big screen TV is turned so no one but himself can watch it. You’ve been in the clubhouse to know this and see it for yourself? Perhaps you read that someplace and now assume it to be true.

The fact is all you or anyone else knows about Bonds is what you read or hear on the radio. You might consider that the people reporting these things have an alterior motive. It is well known that Bonds despises the media. To Bonds, baseball is his JOB and his SANCTUARY. He hates the media that surround and interupt him on a daily basis asking stupid, stupid, STUPID questions while he is trying to focus on his JOB.

So when you pick up a paper and read something personal about Bonds, consider the source. It is a well know fact that some reporters believe themselves to be more important to the game than the athletes themselves. They simply cannot stand the fact that some players, like Bonds, won’t give them the time of day, let alone bow to their majesty. FACT, YOU know NOTHING of Bonds other than what you read or hear from men who Bonds despises and dismisses. Not exactly the best and most trustworthy source of information.

MBBRAVESFAN,

None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

I also have read “Game of Shadows” from cover to cover. There is not one single proven claim against bonds in it. There are only second and third hand allegations, most from un-named sources. And the claims and allegations that ARE from named sources are highly suspect. Ex-mistresses bounced to the curb for blackmail are not really very reliable. There is NO PROOF PERIOD, just allegations.

Not about race? perhaps you didn’t watch “Bonds on Bonds” and didn’t see the emails, mails, newspaper clippings, signs etc. that have been sent to Bonds and collected by Giants management, scrawled with the “N” word. Bonds recieves death threats on a daily basis that call him terrible names, but it’s not because he’s Black, it’s just because the Babe was White. It’s like the Black men who were hung from trees for whistling at a white women. It wasn’t because they were black, it was because she was White. Open your eyes, the world is rampant with racism, and Bonds gets more than his share from, mostly from people who think it doesn’t exist.

brewerfaninATL

Back to the weight issue. Barry Bonds is all muscle no doubt about it.

Bobby Bonds was NEVER fat and out of shape, not even on the day he died.

The point is they both came into the game skinny young men, and ended their careers considerably larger. It is the NATURAL process of male aging, you expand. The ONLY difference between Barry and Bobby is that Barry had the access and means to control his body. He has top flight training equipment and regeimes unavailable to his father. He had medical and nutrutional information unavailable to his father. Just as you have access to things yout father never dreamed of when he was your age. And oh yes, Steroids were available in Bobby Bonds era.

Despite your ludicrous claim to the contraty Barry DID NOT bulk up over night. He added small amounts of muscle mass over a period of years. If you had the opportunity to see him everyday you would realize this.

AND as everyone knows, when you stop using Steroids YOU LOSE all that muscle mass, it turns to fat, flab and gabs of sloppy skin. seen Arnie lately without a shirt on?

http://takebackamerica.us/1/state.asp?whr=5

Fact is, IF Barry was on steroids before, he has been off them for at least 3+ years, but amazingly he has NOT lost any muscle mass. imagine that. I guess they are super-duper permanent steroids that never lose their power.

Your hatered for Bonds is so pervasive that you refuse to accept any facts that might actually indicate your hatred is misguided and illinformed at best, and biggoted at worst.

By Michael Scott

April 11, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

Among the players who have tested positive are Alex Sanchez, Juan Rincon, Palmeiro, and Damian Moss. There have been a few dozen others, of course, but if there is an across the board similarity in their physiques, it is not discernable. Some have the “classic” look of a steroid user, some have none of the commonly associated traits. So to presume that Griffey or Maddux or anyone else is clean just because they don’t have that classic profile is just wrong. As fast as chemists come up with ways to detect the drugs, other chemists are coming up with streamlined and improved enhancers. It’s similar to the internet with the virus writers and the antivirus writers. And it will never end. The result of the Mitchell investigation might lead to some sanctions but it will also provide the steroid manufacturers with data to help them circumvent the new sanctions. It is incredibly depressing, of course, but it’s NOT about Bonds. The fixation on getting him is short-sighted and counter productive. If any of you want a name to hate and it can only be ONE name, try Philip Morris. Comparitively, Bonds and/or McGwire are pristine children.

By JOHN B.

April 11, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

bdglen,

You have not wasted your time. Very well put. Those pictures of Arnold are scary.

Michael Scott,

Very good point about the typical “steroid” body.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

April 11, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

bdglen, very good post. Apparently all of our friends who like to make unsubstantiated claims have nothing to say. I mean 2 hours have passed and no one has replied. Everything you pointed out has a very valid point.

By bdglen's biological father

April 11, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this

Actually, Robert, we just got tired of arguing with someone (i.e., bdglen) who is blinded by his own ignorance and bigotry.

Like The BIG Boss Man said, only fools and Cynthia McKinney’s constituents refuse to believe that Bonds has never used steroids.

I’m just waiting for some clown to blame the whole thing on Mark Fuhrman.

By Michael Scott

April 11, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

Bringing McKinney into this discussion only reinforces the perception that much of the posting here is racially motivated. There is just no relevance to the linking. And people like brewerfaninATL should be quick to repudiate the racist posts, like those of southern, Hunk Erdown , and this cracker-just as I refuse to endorse anything a jerk like Ernest McClean has to say.

By brewerfaninATL

April 12, 2006 07:33 AM | Link to this

Robert (no justice at all): I was spending time with my wife and family you jack@$$, something you would know nothing about! It’s one thing to disagree on the Barry Bonds subject, but to call people out? That is just plain childish! I’ve made my points loud and clear, and if you think Bonds is clean then that’s your opinion. I happen to think he’s a cheater and that’s my opinion. I guess we’ll know the truth, hopefully soon!

Michael Scott: Your continuous ramblings on racism is pretty damn stale! Just because people/I think Bonds is a cheater does NOT automatically make them a racist, as much as you like to think they/we are. Remember, Terence Moore started this blog and HE happens to think Bonds is a cheater as well, does that make HIM a racist now? Do me a favor and get a life…oh, and stop using the convenient race card too!

By A Fan

April 12, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

Just so everybody realizes this…it is possible to peak at a later age than the norm of 28-33. There have been numerous guys that have peaked at between 33-38. One of the most famous ones is Randy Johnson. He had his best seasons between 34 and 38. I’m just saying that the fact that Bonds had his best seasons in 2001 and 2002 at the ages of 36 and 37 is not impossible. Johnson’s best two years came at the ages of 37 and 38.

By Michael Scott

April 12, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

brewerfaninATL: It is racist to link Bonds with Cynthia McKinney. It is racist to bring the frigging O.J. MURDER trial into a discussion about steroids and baseball.Period.As far as YOU are concerned, your problem may not be racism but your posts are full of irrational hatred.Look at them. You should be ashamed. You have every right to think Bonds cheated. But you are getting in bed with people who ARE spewing racist garbage. I HAVE a life, sonny; those of you who can “HATE” and “DESPISE” do not: you have empty holes, now go kick your dog or whatever you do when you’re not hating men you do not know.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

April 12, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

You know, Brewersfaninatl, I don’t know what you are talking about. First of all, Monkey boy, I didn’t call you out by name or any other way. Second of all, I know plenty about spending time with family. I have a wife and 8 kids (six of whom are foster kids I just adopted). So, Jerk, before you speak get your crap straight. You act like the “roid monkey” more than Bonds has ever acted.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

April 12, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

You know, Brewersfaninatl, I don’t know what you are talking about. First of all, Monkey boy, I didn’t call you out by name or any other way. Second of all, I know plenty about spending time with family. I have a wife and 8 kids (six of whom are foster kids I just adopted). So, Jerk, before you speak get your crap straight. You act like the “roid monkey” more than Bonds has ever acted.

By Sherman March

April 12, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

I’ve got a good idea, cracker boys: why don’t we change the subject. How about Kellie Pickler? Nice white trailer park trash. You should all be able to get behind defending her. I think her boobs are fake, her po ‘lil ol me crap is a big act, and she looks like an albino hooker. What do y’all think of that? Now don’t pretend you don’t know who she is. She’s the crumpled up picture under your mattress.

By brewerfaninATL

April 12, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Robert: read your post from yesterday at 4:06 PM, dips**t! I am one of the ones with “unsubstantiated claims”, right? THAT is what I am talking about! Don’t be calling me/us out and then take the wimp route, it just makes you look more and more like the fool you are!

Michael: You never answered my question…by Terence claiming Bonds juiced up, does that make HIM a racist too? I guess that would make it black on black crime, or is that “allWHITE” with you?! And another thing jack@$$, when did I ever link Cynthia McKinney or O.J. Simpson into this mess? Other bloggers maybe, but NOT ME! Get your facts right!

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

April 12, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

Unfortunately I don’t think Pickler is faking her stupidity. However she is very hot.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

April 12, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Well, Mr. Sensitive I actually didn’t have you in mind at all when I typed that, Dips**t. I was talking about people in general. And if you would also re-read you see that I said that I have doubts about Bonds innocence but that he has been convicted of nothing. Thank you.

By Bea in Texas

April 12, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Now I think all you boys just need to calm down and get along. I’m sure Barry is a very fine Christian man and if he took anything it’s only because his doctor told him to. And, being a white woman, I can tell you that we all think he is REALLY hot.I’d walk through the flames of hell and be happy to burn for eternity for just one minute with Mr. Bonds. We all would. I’ll bet that just rots your little shriveled up peas, now don’t it?

By Michael Scott

April 12, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

Read my post Brewerfan. I didn’t say you brought McKinney in. I said your problem was hatred. And it is. And it is not racist to think Bonds cheated, I never said it was. I like the Kellie Pickler thing from Sherman, though. What do you think? I think she is mucho caliente. Much better topic than Bonds.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

April 12, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

By the way, Brewersfaninatl, I think Barry using racism as an excuse for the criticism is a copout but that doesn’t mean that racism is at the root of some of the criticism nor does it mean that he is not getting death threats simply because of the color of his skin. If you don’t think that is true, then you are either naive or know that it is exactly the case.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

April 12, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

How can you not like Pickler? I mean she is not someone you are going to have a quality conversation with but, man, is she easy on the eyes.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

April 12, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

How can you not like Pickler? I mean she is not someone you are going to have a quality conversation with but, man, is she easy on the eyes.

By Bea in Texas

April 12, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

I think Kellie is a big phony and a cheater. She would never be where she is without those fake breasts. I DESPISE her. I hate her. When she is old and everything is all saggy except those plastic breasts and she’s on her deathbed, she’ll pray for the Lord’s forgiveness. And He won’t give it to her because she’s a cheater.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

April 12, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

Why does everyone think Pickler’s breast are fake. I don’t think they are. I mean I would hope if she got fake boobs she would at least get some of some size. She is not phony. She is stupid. But, I think a cute stupid. Amd how is she a cheater?

By Bea in Texas

April 12, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

Now,Robert- she is a cheater because she has those phony thingies. Just because they are not real big don’t mean they aren’t fake. Just look at them- all perky. I HATE her. And I won’t feel sorry for her when they spring a leak and she’s flat and old and bitter.

By Bea in Texas

April 12, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

Robert: I know you are a smart man so you must know that I’m just making fun. I just thought some of these boys ought to get their minds off of Barry Bonds and start thinking about girls, and music, and dancing. It’s just not healthy to have so much hate.

By Tom from Buffalo

April 12, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

Lets see,Willie Mays,Bonds godfather.Willie McCovey,great friend of Willie Mays.What did you think they would say.[By the way,in my opinion,WILLIE MAYS,WAS THE GREATEST BASEBALL PLAYER EVER] I recall Bonds saying Ruth was a WHITE HERO.Racial statement,or someones opinion?I guess it depends on who looks at it. Bonds cheated!Giambi cheated!Mcgwire cheated!Griffey DIDNT! As far as im concerned,ROGER MARIS,AND HENRY AARON,are the homerun champs!!!!Oh wait,can I say that about AARON.Im white!!!!

By Sherman March

April 12, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

Tom, You don’t know if Griffey cheated or not.All you know is that he has never tested positive. The same as Bonds. Or are you going to go for the ” pumpkin head” theory? If so, back it up with medical fact. I’ll be waiting.

By David

April 12, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this

Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player in the history of the major league baseball!!! Period.!!!! That statement wreaks havoc in the minds of most fans to have to admit the obvious. You see, no one will ever admit to the truth, and that is that Barry “U.S.” Bonds is the greatest talent to ever play baseball. And I think he knows it, which is why he has been so arrogant over the years. It has just been confident arrogance per say; and I think Barry knows that no one else has ever possessed his over talent to play the game, and that no one ever will. This is why he is so discouraged right now because of his combination of talents and the way that he has used them flawlessly over the years, he thought that by the time this season rolled around and he was ready to give fervent chase to Hank Aaron’s home run records, totally unencumbered and uncriticized, but Barry thought that all of the sports writers that he ticked off over the years would get on his side, quickly jump on his bandwagon and he would win EVERYBODY OVER to his side. Instead, he has been hated even more, and right now Barry probably feels that outside of his immediate family and his godfather [THE GREAT SAY HEY KID—WILLIE MAYS]— not one soul on the face of the planet will support Barry and his dope pushing self and I think this has made him so depressed to the point that I think he is almost ready to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. Let me just leave you with some words of wisdom: THERE IS NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF GAME WHO HAS POSSESED BARRY BONDS’ COMBINATION OF POWER (700HR’s), SPEED, HAND-EYE-COORDINATION, GOLD GLOVES(8),STOLEN BASIS(500+), MVP TROPHIES(EIGHT)…..MUST I GO ON AND ON—PLEASE GIVE THE DEVIL HIS DUE… Barry is the Best of the Best and if he’s not, then kindly name me someone who has had a greater impact on the game of baseball and who has possessed as many skills as him. There is no one and the sooner that the general public realizes it, and the fans of baseball acknowledge the obvious, all of these folks should worship at the feet of the master because Barry has given us all such sparkling moments in baseball and incredible genious on the diamond that I feel we ALL owe him a debt of gratitude to him and should lay our backsides down at the feet of the master. Thank you.

By brewerfaninATL

April 12, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

Michael: You never said it had to do with race? HAHA! You have been doing nothing but crying racism for the past 3 days. YOU are the one that keeps bringing up race, Cynthia McKinney, O.J., etc. Plus, yeah, I hate Barry Bonds, so what, big deal…but it’s mostly his attitude that I hate! Is that a crime? Doesn’t mean I would ever stalk the guy or try to attack him, no I hate him in a competitive way…see, I am a Brewers fan, not a Giants fan! I also hate when the Packers, Bucks, and Badgers lose games…again, that’s me being a fan! I would venture to say that most Giants fans love Barry the ballplayer because he gives their team the best chance to win games. I’m sure it’s different when we’re talking Barry Bonds the person. Be careful when you talk hatred because there are many levels of hatred, some that may have semantics involved. I’m sure there are many people out there that hate Barry or other players because of jealousy, skin color, whatever. I am NOT one of those. I am just a sports fan who loves my teams!

By Michael Scott

April 12, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

Brewerfan: I pointed out the racism in the some of the posts, I did not “bring it up”. Others brought McKinney, Fuhrman, O.J., etc. into the mix. For me to say that those references do not belong is not ” crying racism”. I am glad to at least hear you say that your remarks stem from good old home team bias. Speaking of the Packers, BTW, my father was the “Voice of the Packers” during the Lombardi years. He also did the Brewers for awhile with Uecker. And I have a very good friend from high school, Jim Paschke, who has covered the Bucks, and the Brewers also, I believe. He was one of the grooms at my wedding, 33 years ago. So I know a little about your local teams. It must be tough these days- Selig didn’t do much for Milwaukee. But you can always look forward to booing Barry a couple of times a year.

By Sherman March

April 12, 2006 07:54 PM | Link to this

I thought we had moved on to important stuff. I think there is a lot more proof that Paula Abdul is snockered on American Idol than there is of Bonds using steroids. I also think Taylor Hicks should win. And that Kellie will be wrestling Tonya Harding at the Beaumont Bar and Grill about this time next year. What do you think, Boss Man? Wait a minute, it’s almost 7. Boss Man is passed out by now.

By Bea in Texas

April 13, 2006 12:49 AM | Link to this

That darling Bucky boy was sent home tonight. He’s just SO cute. If he was black I think I’d die from the thrill.

By brewerfaninATL

April 13, 2006 07:04 AM | Link to this

Michael: I’m glad your father made a nice career out of broadcasting and I’m glad your friend is making a nice career out of broadcasting…too bad YOU didn’t hold up your end of the bargain! Wow, whoop-dee-doo, you know a little about my favorite teams, so what, I know a little bit about EVERY team from EVERY sport too, but I don’t go around bragging and hanging on the coattails of my family and friends’ success! Wow, what a loser!

By Bea in Texas

April 13, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

Hi there brewerfan, If you knew so much about EVERY team in EVERY sport, you wouldn’t make such dumb a* remarks about Barry Bonds. Now go back to your imaginary family and keep your hateful ill-informed opinions to yourself. My father, BTW, did not make a NICE career out of broadcasting, he was merely the greatest football announcer who ever lived. Being proud of your family and friends is not “hanging on the coattails”, d*******, at least I have a family to be proud of. The kind of stupid, personal remarks you just made only exhibit why your opinions are so worthless. Now go away.

By Sherman March

April 13, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

Who the h* is Bea in Texas? I’m confused- who’s whose Daddy here? And brewerfaninATL: Did they throw your a out of Wisconsin? If you’re in Georgia now, I’d say that’s where you belong. We don’t cotton to your kind in the north, boy. And for MBBRAVESFAN: not the days of the KKK? You just don’t CALL yourselves that any more. Now you got names like “Young Christian League”. Same-O.

By Michael Scott

April 13, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

I don’t know who’s posting and using my user name but knock it off. I completely agree with brewerfaninATL on everything. Anyone with half a brain knows that Bonds is a cheating, lying, good-for-nothing juicer. We don’t need little crap like PROOF. We know it to be true because without Barry Bonds to hate our lives would be empty. We’d have to find a job, raise a family, make something of ourselves. It’s just easier to hate Barry. When he is gone, we’ll find someone else. And then another. They’ll all be black but it’s not because we are racists. We hate all cheaters. Except ourselves.

By brewerfaninATL

April 13, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

Bea in Texas: Bite me, beeyotch! It’s funny how you talk about my opinions when you claim your father was the best announcer who ever lived. Maybe he was good, but the best that ever lived? TOTAL OPINION! Plus, moron, this is a blog about BARRY BONDS, not American Idol, so take your little queer @$$ back to that stinkhole you call Texas, and take Sherman March with you! You two can reenact the roles to Brokeback Mountain except this will be TRUE love! So long, dirtbags!

By just a nobody

April 13, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

Excuse me but aren’t we all overlooking a major slander? AK don’t diss bannana and mayo sandwiches please. Lighten up all thanks

By Sherman March

April 13, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

A blog is whatever it becomes, brewerfaninATL. It is not what you want it to be. I’d say the new topic is your chemical lobotomy. Report to the commissioner’s office for testing.Now. This is a black man talking, so you listen up, cracker boy.

By Bea in Texas

April 13, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Barry Bonds IS every white woman’s American Idol. That’s what gets y’all’s little dander up,brewerfaninATL. Admit it. Or do you really think yer wife’s thinkin’ about YOU?

By brewerfaninATL

April 13, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

Sherman: Who the he!! are you anyway? Last I recall, I never said anything offensive to you or about you for you to your crap on me! OK, fine, you are a black man, fine, cool…my wife happens to be half-black too and we love each other very much, so YOU listen up! Read some of the other bloggers’ comments and you’ll find your racism…it ain’t coming from me!

Bea in Texas: You’re barking up the wrong tree, dumb@$$! See my above comment to Sherman for your explanation. YOU seem to be the one infatuated with Barry Bonds…so take him, be my guest! Have a ball!

By Bea in Texas

April 13, 2006 07:23 PM | Link to this

brewerfaninATL: I’m just having fun with all you guys. You really shouldn’t get so het up about everything. Mr. Bonds will be punished one way or the other if he’s a cheater. And I’m sure he’s a very lonely man even if he is rich. It doesn’t seem to me that he’s got many friends. That’s probably his own fault but it’s still real sad. I’m sorry if I offended you, but like I said, I was just trying to be funny. My husband would KILL me if he saw the things I wrote about black men. He don’t even know I can use a computer, I go to my girlfriends house and we pretend we’re hot young things and talk dirty to folks in the chat rooms. It’s not nice, I know, but it takes my mind off of Roy for awhile. Roy’s my husband and he can get mean when he’s been drinking. Well, I’ve burdened you enough, you all have a nice evening.