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Food for thought: Cox or Schuerholz?


Jeff D'Alessio

Hey all, AJC college sports editor Jeff D’Alessio here. Lots of good feedback so far. Keep it coming. We’re whittling down the list.

Here’s another couple questions for you to ponder as we ponder our Sports Person of the Year pick: Who deserves more credit for the Braves’ improbable 14th consecutive division title: Bobby Cox, who managed the Baby Braves to the NL East crown, or general manager John Schuerholz, who assembled the team?

And which player deserves more consideration — hometown hero Jeff Francoeur or home run hitter Andruw Jones?

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By Max Sizemore

December 21, 2005 09:11 PM | Link to this

To even ask the latter question makes a mockery of whatever it is you are doing.

By Ms. Marion Byrd

December 21, 2005 09:33 PM | Link to this

That first question really doesn’t deserve an answer but here goes. BOBBY COX, No question about it. Andrew is the answer to the next. 76year old Braves Fan since early 80s from California Marion Byrd

By bert

December 21, 2005 10:06 PM | Link to this

Of those you mention, certainly Cox for coaching the youngsters and Frenchy for his rookie prominence. However, as always, the AJC misses the big picture. How about some credit for the Braves’ scouts and player devlopement in the minors for getting these guys ready and finding them in the first place? And (I say again) what about John Smoltz over both Francouer and Andruw for sports person of the year? He deserves it much more than anybody listed so far, and I’m not just crediting him for his athletic accomplishments…

By t-towndawg

December 21, 2005 10:30 PM | Link to this

Hands down, given the choices, it is JS and Andruw. JS has done it for 14 yrs. Hope AJ can do it for more than one.

By Scott

December 22, 2005 01:02 AM | Link to this

Bobby Cox and the second question is ridiculous. One guy is the only Brave to ever hit over 50 homeruns in a season. The other is a nice rookie who wasn’t even rookie of the year in the national league. The answer is Andruw Jones by far.

By Matthew

December 22, 2005 01:25 AM | Link to this

How about how the f—k cares?

This discussion about who meant the most to sports in Georgia begins and ends with DJ SHOCKLEY!

The Braves managed to choke away yet another October, while DJ led his Dawgs to something the Braves haven’t had in years… a title.

Discussing those choktastic Atlanta Braves is a waste of time. Andruw and Francour both dissapeared in September, and never reappeared in October. DJ Shockley gets hurt, and an undefeated season is derailed. How is that for valuable? He comes back, and fully healthy, leads the Dawgs over Yech and then is key in the demolition of LSWho.

When it mattered most, DJ Shockley didn’t disappear like Francour and AJones. DJ Shockley didn’t make the horrendous mistakes that Cox made this postseason when it mattered most, or make a dumb decision like shipping a guy who throws 100mph for a head case like Dan Kolb.

No, DJ Shockley is everything those choktastic Atlanta Braves aren’t. He’s clutch. He plays with heart and emotion. He’s a stand-up guy who doesn’t give excuses for his failures (not that he’s had many), like the Braves and expecially their manager and GM do. He doesn’t tell the fans to eat dirt, like Booby Cox did. For that reason alone, Cox shouldn’t be on the list.

No, Shockley led his team, a team people were picking third in the SEC East and about 7th in the SEC to the Sugar Bowl.

What did Booby Cox and his choktastic bunch do?

That’s right.

DJ Shockley!

DJ Shockley!!

DJ SHOCKLEY!!!

By nitrodust

December 22, 2005 05:53 AM | Link to this

It can’t be any brave. It can only be Shockley

By Claudette

December 22, 2005 06:12 AM | Link to this

Bobby Cox for the first question and Andruw Jones for the second.

By patty

December 22, 2005 06:39 AM | Link to this

Bobby. Andruw. Period.

By Capt

December 22, 2005 07:32 AM | Link to this

Bobby Cox….hands down

By AKJ

December 22, 2005 07:35 AM | Link to this

While Bobby Cox managed the team that Schuerholz assembled to their 14th in a row, and Andruw and Francoeur had exciting seasons, I think John Smoltz is more deservingly called the sportsperson of the year. He defied the odds and made the improbable move from closer to starter… got off to a terrible start… dug in and did an outstanding job. He inspired other players! His work ethic and determination make him stand out the most in an organization of stand out people.

By Ed Jelks

December 22, 2005 07:42 AM | Link to this

Andruw or Francouer? What a stupid question! 51 homers, numerous clutch, game-winning hits and an 8th straight Gold Glove vice 150 good at bats? Another example of how little journalists (wannabes) know!

By SM

December 22, 2005 08:15 AM | Link to this

Matthew, sounds like you need a few sessions with a good therapist. It’s baseball, not life-or-death. Entertainment people… it’s just entertainment.

On that note, I agree that Smoltz is far and away a better choice than any of the other four. What he does off the field as a father and member of the community is worth 10 times what he ever does on the field. Likewise, what Shockley did behind the scenes the last 4 years, staying with his team and being the consummate team player, also deserves recognition.

By jack

December 22, 2005 08:29 AM | Link to this

Bobby Cox, far and away. Without him holding things together the heroics of the others go for nothing. As for Francouer, I won’t be surprised to see him playing somewhere else in a couple of years, he has a very big hole in his strike zone. I hope that I’m wrong and he gets it corrected, otherwise the rest of the National League will take advantage. That is why he became almost a non factor in late September and October.

By Melvin

December 22, 2005 08:40 AM | Link to this

Matthew, you hit the nail on the head. Definately D.J. I cannot remember, in the 55 years I have been here, a more dedicated, and hard working Ga. player. He stands for what we want our kids to be. Hats off to D.J.

By Braves and Dogs lover

December 22, 2005 08:42 AM | Link to this

Matthew, first off let me say that I am also a D.J. Shockley fan and a Georgia Bulldogs fan. Secondly, let me add that I am a huge BRAVES fan and I am a little perplexed by your statement that “the Braves haven’t had a title in years”. Perhaps you have forgotten our 14 straight Division Titles (comparative to the SEC title….after all, it’s not a National title) and our World Series title in 1995? As a UGA fan, I could only wish that the Dogs had the same success….14 SEC titles in a row and a National CHampionship in 1995! Last time I checked, our last one was in 1980. That being said, Bobby Cox, John Schuerholz, Andruw Jones, or D.J. Shockley would all be fine choices for Sports Person of the Year.

By Mike

December 22, 2005 08:47 AM | Link to this

The Dawgs and the Braves both accomplished the same thing. They won a division/conference title. The Braves was tougher since there are fewer divisions than conferences. As for Bobby versus John, it’s like asking someone to pick a favorite child. You don’t have to, just be thankful for them both. Jeft vs Andruw. Francoeur is greener than a leprechaun. He’s the free-est swinger since Mae West. Sometimes, he looks like he’s out there swatting flies on a hot summer night. Great potential though.

By Matt Ross

December 22, 2005 09:26 AM | Link to this

I still can’t get over anyone thinking DJ Shockley is deserving. People are saying that he led the dogs to a title, that’s a SEC Title, not a national championship. Bobby Cox led the Braves to a Division Title, not a World Series. That seems to be fairly similar. Plus, Shock still plays in college, it’s not the top level of sports.

By Adriane

December 22, 2005 09:35 AM | Link to this

I am so proud of DJ and the job that his parents Coach Shock and Tanya have done in molding him to be the man that his is. I also want to say that we couldn’t pick a better “Sports Person of the Year” other than DJ Shockley. He has done an outstanding job in the 1 year he’s really got to play. I’m not taking anything away from David Green, but at one time that’s all people talked about. Even when DJ would get in the game (“every now and then”) nobody really would give him credit for what he brought to the team. Don’t get me wrong he got “some” credit but no much. I don’t think the GA fans were really sure about him. They only saw Green. Yet DJ never let that bother him. He took that time to learn, learn from Green and support Green whenever he had a chance. He was ready whenever they called on him and hit the field running with a smile and positive attitude. He NEVER has anything negative to say about his team, coaches, or the game. If he had it would have been understood. He had the opportunity to leave GA and wouldn’t do it, all because he believed in his teammates, his coaches, the game, his devotion to his school and in himself. I believe he is able to do all this because he knows and was taught, that there’s a greater power than DJ (GOD) that abides within him. That’s where that, positive, mind blowing characteristic comes from. He understands that no matter what happens, never give up. All of these qualities make him an excellent quarterback and team player. HE IS THE EPITOME OF SPORTSMANSHIP AND A ROLEMODEL. The gifts and talents he possesses cannot be denied or disputed. I guess by now you know that I’m a real “DJ Fan.” GO DJ GO DJ GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Mike D

December 22, 2005 09:37 AM | Link to this

Choosing between Bobby and John is like asking do I love my mother more than my Father. There should not be a single sports person of the year, it is the two! Without Bobby , JS can staff the team with every great player in the world with no title. Without JS staffing, there is only so much you can do! Shockley is a great choice but lets remember Bobby and JS have been doing this since Shockley was in Diapers, no way he can dethrown the best management combo in history, Cox and Shuerholtz share my vote! I would like to see a closer besides Reitsma but thats another Blog.

By Mike D

December 22, 2005 09:40 AM | Link to this

Can I make a vote for Shockley to backup Vick next year? Same playbook, same style. Trade what’s his name and see what Detmer can make out of Shockley! Oops thats another Blog too huh. Sorry.

By Tom O'Malley

December 22, 2005 09:51 AM | Link to this

DJ Shockley, without question. He is the epitome of hanging in there and not giving up. As a father of a current UGA senior, what I love about DJ is his decision to stay at UGA was his statement that he felf comfortable at UGA as a STUDENT. I am a huge UGA and college football fan, but let’s not forget that not all memories of colege life just happen on the football field. This year DJ made the “Grade” on the field and off! Go Dawgs!

By NO CONCELATION PRIZES

December 22, 2005 09:55 AM | Link to this

While we are at this, let’s honor the Hawk’s organization as well for “Good Try”

As we all know in sports “It’s not whether you win or lose, its how you play the game”.

D’Alessio, you never cease to amaze me

By NO CONCELATION PRIZES

December 22, 2005 10:04 AM | Link to this

Oh, and the SEC/Division title comparison is asinine. The closest comparison would be SEC EAST to a Division title, and that is not accurate. How many teams in the East Division? 5. The Braves beat out 4 other teams, of which are not the most competitive in the entire MLB. These two teams didn’t “accomplish the same thing”.
What a joke!

By Bob

December 22, 2005 10:25 AM | Link to this

With the 100+ college football teams and dozen+ conferences, a watered down conference championship (from a football standpoint) means little or nothing. It is good for marketing though as it encourages the alum to pump more of their cash back into their instituion. The Braves are in a much more elite group.

By Matthew

December 22, 2005 10:38 AM | Link to this

You guys are idiots…

The same? SEC Title and Division Title? A Division Title in baseball is WORTHLESS!

An SEC Title lasts forever.

No, because of the arbitrary nature of the Nat’l Title in College Football (based on polls, not a playoff… and did you know that Div I-A College Football is the only championship not recognized by the NCAA?) an SEC Title is just as good as the World Series title in baseball.

So all of you Braves poseurs, who like the claim that your s—tty “division titles” (I put it in quotes, because it is no real title) mean anything… when’s the last time your title got you anything but another stupid flag to hang on Turner Field? Has it gotten you world-wide fame and recognition? No, it has gotten you ridicule by anyone not named David O’Brien and his Atlanta Media Posse for being the biggest chokers in the history of baseball with all of your October collapses.

No, when the Dawgs were supposedly down, they actually accomplished their mission. They finished the drill, led by DJ Shockley. The Braves? They don’t know the meaning of finish the drill. All the know is choke in October.

DJ Shockley!

DJ Shockley!!

DJ SHOCKLEY!!!

By War Eagle

December 22, 2005 10:51 AM | Link to this

It should be close, BOBBY COX, has been productive not only this year, but every year he has been manager.Only one cigar, still he and JS gives Atlanta a consistant winner something other local franchise fail to do.

By Jim

December 22, 2005 11:00 AM | Link to this

Between Cox & Schuerholz, it’s pretty close — they both deserve a lot of credit for putting together a great Braves team and season. Between Francoeur and Jones, it’s not close at all — Jones hands down. That being said, I hope all four are around for a long, long time to come.

But if you’re looking for a statewide Sports Person of the Year, you really do need to be looking to the Georgia Bulldogs and DJ Shockley.

While you’re up there in Athens, why don’t you fill us in on how Kyle Maynard is doing?

By Sarah

December 22, 2005 11:03 AM | Link to this

Jeff Francoeur, he is soooooooo much better looking than pudgy Jones, who is U G L Y.

By james

December 22, 2005 11:05 AM | Link to this

Answering the question I’d go with Cox and Andrew. But if this was an open-ended discussion I would definitely say, without question, DJ Shockley. He did a LOT more for UGA than Cox or anyone on/in the Braves organization did for them in a subpar NL East.

By Jim

December 22, 2005 11:16 AM | Link to this

Bobby Cox is the man! John makes deals but Bobby has to actually deal with the right combinations each game and the intracies of the game. I think Andruw Jones’ time has come for accolades. Frenchy is young & has time to make his mark. I vote for Cox & Jones! A die hard Braves Fan in Texas!

By C K

December 22, 2005 11:19 AM | Link to this

What about Lance Armstrong…Famous the world over for his heroics on the two-wheeler. Go Lance.

By John Hughes

December 22, 2005 11:27 AM | Link to this

SCHUERHOLZ - Mickey Mouse could have managed the teams he has assembled and won probably better than Cox. ANDRUW JONES carried the team for much of the season. Smoltz and Sosa both deserve mention for their work as well.

By WHW

December 22, 2005 11:42 AM | Link to this

How about Phil Garner? Remember him? He’s the run-of-the-mill manager who made Cox look like a rookie in Houston and he and the Astros were responsible for the Braves “success” for the season - or was that “lack of success”?

By GaSouthpaw

December 22, 2005 11:45 AM | Link to this

Based on the choices you gave us, I pick Cox and Jones. Since no one else is staying on topic, though…

This is killing me. Quoting Matthew here: “This discussion about who meant the most to sports in Georgia begins and ends with DJ SHOCKLEY! The Braves managed to choke away yet another October, while DJ led his Dawgs to something the Braves haven’t had in years… a title.”

So, what are those 14 Division Championships that the Braves won? If they’re nothing, then so is the Bulldogs’ SEC title.

And DJ Shockley’s injury was the only reason for the losses to Florida and Auburn? Wow- I’ll be the other 21 starters would be surprised to hear that.

Sportsperson of the year? If we’re limiting it to Georgia, I pick Warrick Dunn. The guy is great on the field, and a truly stand-up guy off the field. My runner up is John Smoltz. Both of those guys are winners on and off the field.

By Charles

December 22, 2005 12:00 PM | Link to this

First, linking an SEC championship to a Television-invented basball division “championship” is like comparing the Pacific Ocean to Lake Allatoona. If we are talking about a National League Pennant, then the comparison would be apt. The Braves “triumphed” over 4 other teams; the Dawgs prevailed over 11 others. All these Dawg-haters need to take it down a notch. Winning the SEC football championship is far more of an accomplishment than winning a piddling division “championship”; in baseball, “winning the pennant” still means winning the League championship.

As to the original questions, without Schuerholz, Cox could have done nothing. That Cox handled the players in such a way as to have had a (plus 13) winning season is commendable. However, whatever accolade you want to give Cox for winning regular season games is severely diminished by his inability to win in post season. Schuerholz is the obvious choice between the two of them.

As exciting, refreshing and rejuvenating as Francoeur was for the Braves, Andruw Jones carried the team for a much longer period of time and with considerably better numbers. Thus, the second question has as obvious an answer as did the first. Jones is without a doubt the choice.

Having said all of that, I still believe ultimately D.J. Shockley should barely edge Warrick Dunn for the Georgia Sportsman of the Year overall for all the reasons set forth so well by both of their groups of supporters.

By Phil

December 22, 2005 12:43 PM | Link to this

Bobby Cox and JS for Sports Person of the year? You gotta be kidding. Those 2 bafoons have screwed up every divison title we have won(except 1). Failing miserably in the playoffs doesn’t deserve an award.

The more logical choices would be Mark Richt or DJ Shockley for winning the SEC Championship, when nobody gave UGA a chance at the beginning of the season.

Throw out those losers Cox and JS.

By Jason

December 22, 2005 01:27 PM | Link to this

Man of the year has to be Bobby Cox. How many rookies was it he molded into the 14th consecutive division title?

You college football guys are driving me crazy. As an Atlanta native, there’s nothing I hate more than hearing people talk about SEC football. A lot of teams have won an SEC championship, but only one team in all of PROFESSIONAL sports has ever won 14 consecutive division titles. Hint, it’s not those cheating Yankees.

By Dr Phil

December 22, 2005 01:29 PM | Link to this

I would have to say that your exhusbands boyfriend would be sportsman of the year.. I know, I know, but we here in Texas still like Roger Clemens

By Scott

December 22, 2005 01:34 PM | Link to this

Hmmmmm….”losers” Bobby Cox and John Schuerholz? When any of you folks out there have won over 2000 games then you can talk about it. The 162 game baseball season is a long and arduous journey through which Cox guides his team with great skill. Does he make bone-headed mistakes? Absolutely! Is he the victim of others making bone-headed mistakes? Without a doubt! Would we all like to have a lot of World Series championships? Of course! Does the fact that he doesn’t have any denigrate his skills? Not on your life!
And while we’re at it, let’s think about this - Bobby Cox and John Schuerholz play by the rules that they’re given, they did not make ups the asinine playoff system the MLB has foisted upon us. But, remember that the Dawgs are playing by a system as well. If there were not a “Championship Game,” would they have been SEC champions? If Florida had managed one more win, would the Dawgs be champions? Of course, the answer to both questions is “no.” Both the Braves and Dawgs play within the framework of the rules of their respective sports, saying the accomplishments of one is better than the accomplishments of another is pure sophistry.
Now, all that being said, I would vote for D.J. Shockley as sportsperson of the year because of his immense talent, heart, and leadership skills. He has proven himself to be worthy of that title. And Matthew….get a life.

By Jman

December 22, 2005 01:36 PM | Link to this

Matthew:

Are you forgetting that Shockley was out for the biggest game of the year? and was hobbling for the second biggest game of the year, both of which the Dawgs lost? Then he happened to get lucky and actually throw accurately against LSU?! Shockley shouldnt even be in the top for this category!

Cox and Andruw.

BY FAR!!!

By Jman

December 22, 2005 01:41 PM | Link to this

UGA won the SEC in a year that the SEC had only 6 teams over .500! UGA deserves absolutely NO recognition for winning a conference championship in completely hideous year for the SEC. The Big East champion West Virginia will probably dismantle the puppies in the Sugar Bowl. Hope it happens! Shockley is a wimp! He could have played against Florida! He could have played better against Auburn! But no, he hobbled and used the stupid injury as a crutch! Go Mountaineers!!!!

By Matthew

December 22, 2005 02:14 PM | Link to this

JMan,

You just invalidated your whole arguement by saying Shockley was “lucky” to throw those two passes against LSWho. Shockley was the key component in an anhiliation of the number 3 team in the country. When has anyone on the Braves done so much in the last 7 years?

And I have pointed out that his injury cost the Dawgs an undefeated season many times, if you would take the time to read what I write. That, JMan, validates Shockley as far more valuable than the duo of AJones and Francour who disapeared in Sept and Oct, and Booby Cox, who once against ran this ship right into the ground with yet another abysmal October performance.

And you people who claim that a division “title” is just as good as an SEC Title… y’all are the ones who need to get a life. You have no perspective at all if you even try to compare the two. One is a meaningless trip to the playoffs which 13 times out of 14, has ended in abysmal failure. The other is a title which is remember for years and years, a real title earned from playing in the best conference in football, a title earned by destroying the number 3 team in the country.

No, the Braves failures have done nothing but make them the punchline to a very sad joke in the Nat’l Media. While, on the other hand, the Bulldogs SEC Title has earned them a place in a prestigious Bowl, and 4th straight double digit win season.

Mark Richt and DJ Shockley have gotten results. Mark Richt and DJ Shockley know how to finish the drill.

Booby Cox and Andruw Jones just know how to fail and choke when the games actually mean something. Booby Cox and Andruw Jones just know how to give excuses for why they once again failed when the games actually mean something. You know, in the playoffs? Winning your petty “title” is worthless. The SEC Title won by the Dawgs is priceless.

The Braves are a joke.

The Dawgs are the real deal. And so is Shockley.

DJ Shockley!

DJ Shockley!!

DJ SHOCKLEY!!!

By DAWGS2001

December 22, 2005 02:16 PM | Link to this

Calling Shockley a wimp is just plain childish. I’d like to see you out there on the football field week after week and see how you hold up.

By Matthew

December 22, 2005 02:17 PM | Link to this

JMan,

I’m sorry, I mistook you for a person, when you’re nothing more than a petty, jealous Bug!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Too funny. Weren’t you and your Bug pals telling us Dawgs about LSWho was going to kill us, too?

Funny, little Bug, that your whole idea of cheering is having to cheer against the Dawgs because your team sucks so much.

I pity you, Bug.

By Jman

December 22, 2005 02:29 PM | Link to this

This year’s SEC title, once again, was cheap! 6 teams over .500! Georgia, SEC Chumps, would have been 5th in the PAC 10, & 6th in the ACC! I am an SEC fan and I realize that!

The Atlanta Braves have sustained excellence for 14 years in a row! The Bulldogs suffered through the 80’s and 90’s. Not until 2000 did the Bulldogs even become competitive in their own division! 14 consecutive division championships beat the Dawgs 2 SEC Championships in 4 years by a long shot! And since this is based solely on the Braves not winning anything bigger than division championships, when was the last time the Puppies won a national title? Judging from the way you write and your ecstatic thinking you probably werent even alive the last time the Pups won it all!

By Matthew

December 22, 2005 02:40 PM | Link to this

No, Little Bug, I was alive.

And your comparing SEC Titles to worthless division “titles” in baseball is off base. It is an unintelligent analogy you make. The better analogy would be somewhere between winning a pennant and winnnig a World Series. Not quite the same as winning the World Series, but much better than winning a pennant.

And Little Bug, you claim to be an SEC Fan, but say it’s down. That is also unintelligent. The SEC has more teams in the top-10 (3) than any other conference, and the most teams in the top-25 (6).

Yeah, the SEC is real down, Little Bug.

Hey, I wonder how good Rice, or Washington, or Duke, or any of the other embarrassing teams in the other conferences are, especially compared to our embarrasing team, Kentucky. I’d pick our worst team over anyone else’s worst team, and maybe a few others up the ladder.

You’re an embarrasment to your bug-kind, Little Bug. Stop speaking and proving yourself to be a fool.

The fact that you buy into the Braves and Booby Cox’s excuse making makes you a huge fool.

By Jman

December 22, 2005 02:40 PM | Link to this

And in addition to that, The Braves will win another World Series before the Puppies even contend for a national title! They might have this year, had Shockley not gotten hurt for the two biggest games of the year, which he could have played through. What a team leader, he stands on the sideline while JoeT makes a mockery of the QB position. Then goes out after a bye week and throws the next biggest game of the year away. And he would have done it against Tech had their QB not done it first!

By Matthew

December 22, 2005 02:42 PM | Link to this

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

The fool speaks, and removes all doubt.

JMan, you are the King, Little Bug.

King of Fools!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

By Mr. to you

December 22, 2005 02:55 PM | Link to this

You keep mispelling the same word over and over. It is spelled M-O-R-O-N, not M-A-T-T-H-E-W.

By DAWGS2001

December 22, 2005 02:58 PM | Link to this

I did not know you had the magical powers to know what another person is feeling. How can you say he could have played through his injury? You are a fool.

By Matthew

December 22, 2005 03:04 PM | Link to this

I don’t know what language you’re speaking, Little Bug, but in English, moron is spelled just like it sounds: T-E-C-H F-A-N

By Jman

December 22, 2005 03:06 PM | Link to this

Apparently you dont care about facts. You just spew nonsense.

But, hey, dont let the facts get in the way.

There are 5 SEC teams in the top 25, not 6. In the BCS top 10 there are 2 SEC teams. When the conference cant have more than half of it’s teams over .500 then yes it is a down conference! Considering the other BIG conferences; ACC, Big 10, Big 12, all had more than half of their teams over .500.

By Matthew

December 22, 2005 03:09 PM | Link to this

Georgia, Auburn, LSWho, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina

That’s 6 teams, idiot.

As for the rest? The Big 12? The Big Least? The ACC?

Like I said, put some of those teams who barely finished 6-5 from those conferences up against Vandy or even Kentucky or Ole Miss, and I’ll take my chances, Little Bug.

By Jman

December 22, 2005 03:15 PM | Link to this

Actually, and I know this will be bad for me especially in the blog, I am a UT Vols fan. So this year I really have no room to talk. But I can and i did. I am just another disgruntled UT fan ready for Baseball season to get here! GO BRAVES!!!!

By Mr. to you

December 22, 2005 03:16 PM | Link to this

I am willing to bet that this moron spewing about the dogs is just like the rest of their loudmouth fans: didn’t go to school there, weighs about 100 lbs(almost all of it mouth),makes a little above minimum wage, has an 8 ft satellite dish in front of a rented trailer, and drives red Gremlin with a “G” on the cracked back window.

By Jman

December 22, 2005 03:17 PM | Link to this

South Carolina is not ranked. They are in a bowl and over .500 but are not ranked. Check your sources, Pup.

By Jman

December 22, 2005 03:21 PM | Link to this

Mr. to you: True that!

By Matthew

December 22, 2005 03:22 PM | Link to this

Nope, Mr. Moron…

Former Active Duty Marine using his GI Bill and HOPE to go to college, drives a 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee, tends bar, and has basic cable in his apartment…

And is happy to shut your Bug yap any day of the week.

By Jman

December 22, 2005 03:26 PM | Link to this

And most of those fans were in hiding throughout the 90’s. Where were they when UGAly was awful? No where to be seen! They start winning for a change and they all come out of the wood work. But they’ll be doing the same thing in Atlanta this summer with the Braves. Love ‘em when they’re hot, hate ‘em when they’re not!

By Mr. to you

December 22, 2005 03:30 PM | Link to this

Moron is another pretender with a huge mouth sitting behind a computer. Marines don’t talk like you, you loudmouth pretender. Get your hands back on that broom, BOY! Maybe one day you’ll grow up to be a bus boy in a bar. Tell the bartender to bring me a beer before I smack you!

By Matthew

December 22, 2005 03:31 PM | Link to this

A man who embraces both Booby Cox and Fat Phil, the man who stabbed Johnny Majors in the back?

Yeah, JMan, your tasts are impeccable.

Oh, and BTW, we were here in the 80s and 90s. Sanford Stadium was still sold out. Just because the media wasn’t paying attention (like Tenn in the 80s) doesn’t mean we went anywhere.

Not like those Bug Fans like Mr. Moron. They never show up, especially during the lean years of Chan the Man.

Remember, JMan, Vandy and the Dawgs own your a—.

By RAMON

December 22, 2005 03:31 PM | Link to this

EVERY ONE IS SAYING SHOCKLEY, ANDREW, AND BOBBY WITH GOOD REASONS. HOWEVER, I THINK THE BEST CHOICE WOULD BE WARRICK DUNN. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT HIS TEAM DID GOTO THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP (THATS MORE THAN A WILDCARD SERIES AND SECOND-FIDDLE BCS BOWL). AND HIS WORK IN THE COMMUNITY IS SECOND TO NONE. SO THATS HIM, WARRICK DUNN, THE GUY WHO MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR FALCON’S FANS TO SMILE IN JANUARY (NOT JUST REGULAR SEASON).

By Jman

December 22, 2005 03:34 PM | Link to this

And the Big Orange has still beaten the Puppies 10 times in the last 15 years!

By Matthew

December 22, 2005 03:42 PM | Link to this

Mr. Moron,

Obviously you don’t know many Marines. We mean what we say, and say what we mean. We don’t back down, and could care less what you think or what your opinion is, because we’re better than you.

Graduated 2 Oct 1998 from Parris Island.

You want to come smack me?

You do know that things like lightsabers and phasers don’t work in real life, and you’d actually have to smack me, right?

Well, I’ll be waiting, Mr. Moron.

By Mr. to you

December 22, 2005 03:52 PM | Link to this

Do the rest of you readers see how easy it is to get into a morons head. See what a true fleabag fan is really like. You’ve already been smacked, loser! You’re just angry because all you have in life is to live vicariously through those mangy mutts. You’ll see lights when I knock your dumb _ out! Wait! You’re already outED!

By Matthew

December 22, 2005 03:54 PM | Link to this

Off to do something more productive.

Can’t shop without money.

Peace out, Little Bugs and Volunqueers.

By Mr to you

December 22, 2005 04:01 PM | Link to this

Dear Abby, I’m afraid my 2 year old son is going to grow up to be a dawg fan like his big, fat unemployed daddy. What can I do? Signed: Concerned Mother

Dear Concerned Mother, You have 2 choices: go ahead and institutionalize your son or try and get him a lobotomy. Otherwise society will have to pay.

By NOBARKING

December 22, 2005 07:36 PM | Link to this

It amazes me that so many “dog fans” do not understand how to answer 2 multiple choice questions with only 2 choices each. The dog’s biggest accomplishment in 2005 was to beat both teams that beat the AU Tigers but not the AU Tigers (or gators). Using BCS, Bulldog and other BS logic, That makes AU Tigers the real SEC Champs because they had only 1 conference loss - fewest in the SEC. Back to the original question - which should be for discussion purposes only - all 4 of the people in question are the best at what they do. If the Braves can just keep those folks around for a few more years, that will be the real winner for Atlanta sports. Bow Wow

By brent

December 22, 2005 08:16 PM | Link to this

As A Bulldog, I nominate Reggie Ball.

By Stew

December 22, 2005 09:07 PM | Link to this

Andruw should have MVP of the NL. They gave the award to the wrong guy as they did when Barry won it with only 90 rbis. Pujols was passed up then so they made it up to him. Why can’t the writers get the MVP right? They’re supposed to be objective. Leo was probably the greatest pitching coach of all time. They couldn’t find 500 grand a year for Leo, but they had 3 mill to blow on Dan Kolb for one year. They made abig mistake letting Leo leave. He had a proven track record.

By Matthew

December 22, 2005 10:12 PM | Link to this

Yeah, War Chicken…

You’re the real SEC Champions just like you were the real Nat’l Champions last year, right?

What’s it like, War Chicken, to always be the bridesmade and never the bride?

Is Tubbyville going to put up a denile banner at Jerdin-Harr Stadium stating you’re the real SEC Champions next year?

It sounds like something he’d do.

By Joe Hall

December 22, 2005 10:19 PM | Link to this

Both are easy…Bobby Cox because he had to make the right moves on the field. The most deserving player is Andrew Jones, period. He carried the team when Chipper went down and before the baby Braves took over.

 

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