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The Ducks? Give me a break


Terence Moore

The more that all of these Notre Dame Bashers continue to fume over the Fighting Irish getting a Fiesta Bowl bid over (yawn) Oregon, the more that all of these Notre Dame Bashers prove that the bytes and brains of the Bowl Championship Series got it exactly right.

Let’s start with this: All of these Notre Dame Bashers will be among the millions and millions and millions of viewers who will make the Fiesta the most viewed bowl this side of that little one two days later in Pasadena.

Nobody outside of three or maybe four miles of Eugene, Oregon, cares about the Ducks.

In contrast, everybody cares about the Irish, whether it is to cheer them or to boo them, which brings us to the essence of what bowls are all about. It is to invite a couple of teams that will generate absolutely the most interest (uh, money) as possible. You can’t get much bigger than Notre Dame versus Ohio State.

Yes, Oregon finished a slot higher than Notre Dame in the final BCS standings. No, Oregon isn’t the better team, even with a 10-1 record to Notre Dame’s 9-2.

Both teams lost to Southern Cal, and Notre Dame’s other loss was in overtime to a Michigan State team that was streaking at the time. And Notre Dame didn’t pad its record against the likes of Houston and Montana, the Ducks’ opening opponents.

All of these Notre Dame Bashers disagree with such truths, of course, but it doesn’t matter. Come the Fiesta Bowl, they’ll whine, but they’ll also watch.

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By Harlan

December 7, 2005 04:21 PM | Link to this

And heaven forbid (no reference to the Irish there, just a coincidence) that we’d have to see any permutation of those God-awful (there I go again) Oregon uniforms on TV during a BCS bowl game. Ugh. They could go 11 or 12-0 and they’d probably be banned from the BCS just for inflicting their sartorial punishment on us all…

By Donald Duck

December 7, 2005 04:27 PM | Link to this

Terence, the argument is not Oregon over Notre Dame. The argument is Oregon over Ohio State.

By Ace

December 7, 2005 05:10 PM | Link to this

The Irish won exactly two games, last I counted, against teams with winning records. One of those teams was Navy. So you can’t really complain about Oregon padding the schedule. Of course I may just be helping you make your point about Notre Dame haters.

I’d rather see Auburn, LSU, or VA Tech than Notre Dame.

Ohio St is deserving.

By Clete

December 7, 2005 05:35 PM | Link to this

Notre Dame football…..YYYYYYYAAAAAAWWWWWWWNNNNNNN!!!!Sorry Terence, I won’t be watching the Fiesta Bowl because I could care less about Notre Lame or OSU. Either team would lose 4 or 5 games in the SEC.

By Bruce Bruce

December 7, 2005 05:35 PM | Link to this

Another ND article by the great TM? Has the race card been worn out already? I would watch a bunch of drunk midgets play ND too; does that mean that drunk midgets are more deserving of a BCS bowl than Oregon as well?

By matt

December 7, 2005 06:08 PM | Link to this

Ohio State would lose 4 games in the SEC????

we played in a much better conference, with the big 10 having 8 bowl eligible teams, and the SEC having less then that with more teams in the actual conference. the Big 10 has two teams in the BCS, no other conference can say that can they clete?

Another stupid SEC elitist that thinks the “DAWGS” are the best in the world, when in reality they can’t even beat their biggest rivals (auburn and UF).

By matt

December 7, 2005 06:10 PM | Link to this

another thing

There really should be no debate over this discussion anyways. the buckeyes were not an atlarge bid. If a team finishes in the top 4 of the BCS, then they are automatically in a BCS bowl game. The coaches, the harris poll, the ap poll, every dang poll has the buckeyes infront of Oregon, just like they deserved to be. Would Oregon have a shot in hell against OSU???

By Ben

December 7, 2005 06:30 PM | Link to this

one of the LAMEST arguments in college football “if x team was in the SEC they would lose all eight games” that is so terrible…….making an argument out of something that will never ever happen. Go Bucks! Drill the Domers!

By Todd

December 7, 2005 08:59 PM | Link to this

Nice. Notre Dame could barely beat a Stanford team that couldn’t get bowl eligible in the Pac-10. Let’s list all the quality wins for ND…..oh yeah, there aren’t any. Are we counting moral victories now? I guess the SC game and the MSU game count then. It’s a good thing ND is playing Ohio State in the Fiesta instead of the Ducks. The Irish will only lose by a touchdown or two.

By DawgsbeatOHiO

December 7, 2005 09:30 PM | Link to this

Interesting that the following post appears:

Another stupid SEC elitist that thinks the “DAWGS� are the best in the world, when in reality they can’t even beat their biggest rivals (auburn and UF).

Does anyone remember what happens to OHiO Acrons each time that Georgia has played them in a bowl game. Remember Garrison Hearst? Seems that OHiO and its accompanying acorns are beaten each and every time that they enter the SEC. Explains why they stay with the Manor/Dupont Technical Colleges as 8 of their 11 games each year. GO Dawgs and Go Irish!!!!

By Douglas Siu

December 7, 2005 11:14 PM | Link to this

If the author of the article had bothered to do a little due dilligence he would have noted that Oregon didn’t “pad” it’s schedule with inferior opponents. They were forced to turn to Montana and Houston because their previously scheduled opponents cancelled on them.

Sports is the one thing in life that can’t be faked - you either bring your game or you don’t. The idea that one team is more deserving than another because they have more star power or more history behind them is unfortunate and ultimately bad for sports. This journalist totaly misses the point.

By matt

December 8, 2005 12:11 AM | Link to this

Let me ask you something dawgsbeatohio???

how many national and conference titles does UGA have?

There are two things college football is measured on: 1- national championships 2- beating rivals

UGA isn’t close to Ohio State in anything at all. Look at the polls, in the past 50 years, they have finished infront of Ohio State only 10 times. The Buckeyes have more national titles then UGA has national and conference titles.

Don’t act like UGA can hold a candle to the Buckeyes, b/c they cant son.

I give UGA all the credit in the world, and Mark Richt all the credit in the world, b/c he is a fantastic coach. BUT HE HAS DONE PRETTY MUCH NOTHING. Won one game against their biggest rival(who had a lame duck coach might I add) and no national titles with better talent then 110 of the 117 division I teams. UGA fans don’t realize it’s not about sec titles, b/c title games are a joke. Everyone knew auburn was the best team, and they didn’t even get a chance to play.

By Catherine

December 8, 2005 08:56 AM | Link to this

I understand why Oregon is p**. Any fan would be p** off if their team went 10-1, was ranked in the top 5 and got relegated to a pre-New Years bowl. They have a valid argument about Notre Dame, and I do think almost everyone but Notre Dame fans can sympathize. But when Oregon fans start in on being more deserving than Ohio State, they not only lose Ohio State fans’ sympathy, they make themselves look ridicules to most college football fans.

Consider this: Oregon lost to one very good team; Ohio State lost to two really good teams. But while Ohio State lost two close games (by 3 points to Texas, and 7 points to Penn State) Oregon couldn’t play with USC, losing by more than 30 points. Those losses show that Ohio State could play with the big boys and Oregon obviously couldn’t.

If you look at the won/loss records of their opponents, Ohio State has the edge. And then consider that 8 wins by an Oregon opponent was I-AA Montana! Should those even count?

Finally, Oregon didn’t even play UCLA this year - a team I’m convinced could have beat them. Basically, when you look at the two teams, Oregon isn’t in Ohio States’ league.

Oh, and as for this “Ohio State couldn’t win in the SEC” (remember all those people who claimed that Penn State would dominate the Big Ten back when?), PLEASE! When you can watch football games in short sleeves, that just ain’t football!

By Warren

December 8, 2005 09:39 AM | Link to this

Terence you hit it on the head when you said nobody 3 or 4 miles outside Eugene, Oregon cares about the Ducks! Notre Dame has a huge following and it’s a big business for them. College football is big business and whoever doesn’t think so has played too much football without a helmet. So when it gets down to picking bowl teams you look to who will bring in the cash. Now exactly where is Eugene, or who is Eugene, and how can anyone from anywhere get excited about a DUCK?

By AUTIGER

December 8, 2005 10:06 AM | Link to this

Catherine, I DARE you to examine Auburn University’s record last year (13-0) and make any more statements about a team being P* off about not getting to play in a post-New Year’s Day bowl….get real….Auburn’s taken a media bashing for years and the SEC, in general, doesn’t get a fair shake becase most of the “really important” bowl decisions are made outside of the south. Give me a break!

By SD Duck

December 8, 2005 11:19 AM | Link to this

Quite possibly the most ignorant article I have read about this latest BCS blunder. Notre Dame has lost their last 7 bowl games, and the past 3 by a margin of over 20 points. They played one great game this year against USC, the rest were pretty fluffy opponents. For God’s sake, the Beavers blew them out, twice, in the past 3 years.

It’s about time all you east coasters open your eyes to the Pac 10. Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn’t a Pac 10 team won the national championship the past 3 times (SC will beat Texas this year)?

By Hm

December 8, 2005 12:15 PM | Link to this

The lack of talent shows in this column. Go back to sweeping floors for a living!

By No Respect

December 8, 2005 12:19 PM | Link to this

Ohio State Fan argues that it is better to lose twice to good teams, rather than to lose only once to the No. 1 team. Teams must not be rewarded for losing (Nebraska ‘01).

This Oregon team deserves respect. They had to overcome East-coast media apathy(how many of Oregon’s night game’s did you watch?). They had to climb further in the polls (39 to 5). They recruit primarily in California aginst the heavyweights(USC, UCLA territory). They won their last three games with the back-up QB. They improved from 5-6 to 10-1. They even play an exciting brand of football. Coach Belotti and the team should be commended for the season.

By whathasNDdonelately?

December 8, 2005 12:25 PM | Link to this

TM, you’re a DOLT! You may want to consider getting a less public job, as your Mississippi education is showing through.

By TALAL

December 8, 2005 12:31 PM | Link to this

Let me get this RIGHT. Why do teams play, win, and go 10-1? ANSWER: Money!! That would be the best answer for the BCS system. To me, Its all about true sports and the true meaning of wins and loses. Yes Oregon deserved a spot to play against another 10-1 team or at least Ohio St. By the way Terence, I dont live in Oregon but i like to watch them play and NOW I AM A HUGE DUCK FAN. (DUCKS Have a Case Against your system).

By Pat

December 8, 2005 12:38 PM | Link to this

No I will not watch. I am stuck here in Arizona having to listen to all the garabge about this game of two lose teams. The system is flawed. The team that wins week in and week out should be the team that is rewarded, not a team that almost wins. As for the Ducks, they are building a tradition, not resting on one. I appreciate that you are wrinting about the Ducks. At least they are getting some national recognition. Any press is good press.

By Fan of Football. . .not the B(c)S

December 8, 2005 12:41 PM | Link to this

To those who bash Oregon in favor of Ohio and ND…when having “good” losses become more important than winning?

By veritas

December 8, 2005 12:46 PM | Link to this

the media sweats notre dame like a jr high boy for his florida teacher. notre dame’s opponents are weaker than water with the exception of sc. the not-so-big 1(1)0??? offers no quality competition outside of happy valley. truth is sweet.

By james

December 8, 2005 12:55 PM | Link to this

Notre Dame is a 6-5 team in the pac 10. They played 3 teams with winning records. ASU, CAL,UCLA, USC and Oregon would all beat the over rated Irish. Live in the past all you want. Heck, the Irish could hardly handle STANFORD! One lucky game against USC and everones on the bandwagon. What a joke. Maybe they should join the big east…WV and PITT…HAHAHAHAHA!

By Catherine

December 8, 2005 01:05 PM | Link to this

Excuse me, AUTIGER, but what is your problem? I said that any team in Oregon’s position would be upset at being closed out - that means Cal for the BCS, Auburn for the National Championship last year, plus others. I was saying that any of us who found our team where Oregon is right now would be upset.

You’re disagreeing with that? Why, because you don’t think anyone ever suffered as much as Auburn did last year, and NO ONE deserves to be put in a catagory with them?

And the SEC doesn’t get their share of respect? Apparently a lot of folks in the SEC don’t have the attention span to follow anything outside your neighborhood. The PAC 10 has more trouble getting their teams noticed than this conference.

But I still don’t think Oregon is anywhere near Ohio State’s ability. If they HAD played UCLA, the Ducks would’ve had TWO blow-out losses!

And really - “the SEC, in general, doesn’t get a fair shake becase most of the “really importantâ€? bowl decisions are made outside of the south”??? You’re kidding, right? Only the National Championship game is determined by anyone other than the bowls themselves. Any bowls that have tie-ins to conferences made those deals THEMSELVES. Ohio State was #4 and earned an At Large spot - like Notre Dame - no one said they had to play in the Fiesta Bowl. That bowl wanted them!

By terence moore GIVE ME A BREAK

December 8, 2005 01:29 PM | Link to this

Ok TM you disgust me! im an oregon duck fan and i live in southern california! im a die hard duck fan and im going to the holiday bowl! so i guess your theory on 3 or 4 miles outside of eugene was wrong,i think you should go get a new job ok! like fliping burgers or somthing! if your going to bash,do it tastefully. dont just throw in your own opinion! its about the facts rite, or it should be! THE FACT IS= OREGON deserves and has earned a BCS game! but there not going to get it because why? because its about money and apperently not about the sport of football like it should be! thats ok though! Fact- oregon is a 10-1 team! and what are the records of ND and ohio state! i dont even have to say! Notre dame does not deserve to be in the fiesta bowl.a team who should have lost to stanford. stanford a team in witch oregon blew out! but oh yeah oregon doesnt rate! all of this is making me sick! I WILL NOT BE WATCHING THE FIESTA BOWL! but ill read about the 40 point loss by notre dame in the paper, hows that sound TM. GO DUCKS!!!

By Karl Mueller

December 8, 2005 01:31 PM | Link to this

The SEC? Give me a break; let’s look at some facts. The SEC cannot play offense to save it’s life—it isn’t that the defenses are overwhelmingly good. Look at the 41 points Notre Dame hung on the Vols and then consider the 6-3 snozzer of a game vs. Alabama. Does the SEC have a better BCS record than the PAC-10? Nope. The PAC-10 has the best BCS reord of any major conference at 6-1. The facts suggest that the best teams in the PAC-10 are the best in the county. What would your Georgia boys do when the Ducks 8 deep receiving corps is 2 steps deep behind the Dawgs db’s all game long? Run a dive up the middle? Give me a break. By the way, I assume they consider themselves the Atlanta of the north in New York. They grow more peaches in one county in South Carolilna than all of Georgia combinied. As usual, you attempt to take credit for being better than you are. Have fun losing your bowl games.

By Jim Ross

December 8, 2005 01:32 PM | Link to this

It makes me laugh when people say UCLA would have beat Oregon. You mean that same UCLA team that got smoked by Arizona. The same one that didn’t make a game against USC until their band was in playing. Yes Oregon got blown out by SC, but people tend to somehow overlook the fact that Oregon had two touchdowns called back in the first half on horrible calls. No, Oregon wouldn’t have won the game, but the score should have been a more respectable 45-27 or even closer, you never know how the momentum of being up 17-0 or 24-0 at halftime would have changed that game. I guarantee that Oregon would give Ohio State all they could handle and Notre Dame wouldn’t give them much of a game.

By Catherine

December 8, 2005 01:35 PM | Link to this

Ok, Fan of Football…not the B(c)S, you said “To those who bash Oregon in favor of Ohio and ND…when having “goodâ€? losses become more important than winning?”

So here’s the question. If Georgia plays 12 games against Top 25 teams, and goes 10-2, and Tennessee plays 11 games against I-AA teams and goes 11-0, you’re saying that Tennessee would OBVIOUSLY be the better team?

The second game of Ohio State’s schedule was the #2 team from ANOTHER conference - one they CHOSE to play, not one they HAD to play.

The second game of Oregon’s season, instead of taking on a powerhouse from another conference, they play I-AA Montana.

Sorry - not ALL wins are equal.

By dmoney

December 8, 2005 01:51 PM | Link to this

To Catherine. Obviously you and the rest of the journalists go to bed at 9 pm right after Golden Girls comes on in your area. I was at the USC-Ducks game, anyone that was at that game (as in actually in the stadium) saw a very capable Ducks sqaud BLANK the USC team for a quarter and a half. Apparently, somewhere in the third quarter USC gave the starting quarterback (Kellen Clemens) a concussion. Unfortunately, that was not realized until after the game. And thus the offense was completely ineffective. Proof of this concussion was apparent when the 2nd string QB (Dennis Dixon) came in and in 4 plays move the ball all the way down to the USC 2 yard line, like USC wasn’t even in the building. The coaching staff put Clemens back in and the Ducks marched backwards due to penalties and a QB that was having a tough time figuring out what was going on. Catherine, you may want to put the Bon-Bons down, turn off Golden Girls and actually watch a game you talk about. As all journalists and fans that were actually in the stadium or actually watched the whole game (and not the ESPN highlights) saw that the game was a lot closer than the score indicates.

By AUTIGER

December 8, 2005 02:04 PM | Link to this

Catherine, How many BCS teams (top 25 in the nation) did Oregon play this season ?

One.

‘nuff said.

By Catherine

December 8, 2005 02:05 PM | Link to this

Well, dmoney, if a game lasted only a quarter and a half, your ducks would be studs. And Ohio State would’ve beat Texas. In fact, if the game was 3 1/2 quarters, Ohio State would’ve beat Texas.

It’s really sad when someone ACTUALLY says that a 45-13 game was closer than the score suggests. Oh, and for the record, Ohio State’s starting quarterback (Troy Smith) played less than half that game against Texas. OSU was the only team to keep Texas under 40 points (they got 25 against OSU).

If USC banged up your poor little quarterback, you DON’T want to meet OSU’s LBs. Mr. Clemens, meet AJ Hawk.

A great team doesn’t whine about injuries, they overcome them.

By Esteban

December 8, 2005 02:18 PM | Link to this

Hey CATHY,

Is it that time of the month?

By Catherine

December 8, 2005 02:21 PM | Link to this

AUTiger, I’m beginning to wonder if English is a second language to you. I never compared AU to Oregon. Not once. I just said I understood their pain. Not that I understood it more than I understood AU’s. Just that I understand. I’ve hardly be singing Oregon’s praises here.

You know, if you’re an AU alumni (or student), I’m beginning to have grave doubts about their academic standards.

By wizbang

December 8, 2005 02:21 PM | Link to this

I’m still trying to figure out whether Terance Moore is an idiot or a genius. ON the one hand, he routinely makes erroneous and race-baiting comments which enrage some and embarrass others (as an Atlanta resident, you can count as one of the latter). REall: Read TM and you won’t have to ask why print media is in such trouble in this country. On the other hand, TM knows that people talking about his work is a good thing: At least there are some people reading it. Finally, for the record: Atlanta is considerably outside the three mile limit, and this Duck graduate will be watching The Holiday bowl (I may even watch the Fiesta bowl if there’s nothing good on the other channels). Any team can rise up and play a good game against a quality opponent ON OCCASION. Major conference teams (Big Ten, SEC, and Yes, the Pac-Ten) have to bring their “A” game every week. Notre Dame hasn’t shown that they can do that.

By dmoney

December 8, 2005 02:24 PM | Link to this

Funny thing Catherine, we didn’t whine about it. In fact where I heard that from was a USC supporter after the game on the plan ride back home.

And it’s 2-1/2 quarters (4 minus 1-1/2 = 2-1/2), just like #5 is before #6, you math genius.

As I remember all journalists involved in watching that game (with the exception of the LA press corp) saw the game the same way. And if you look at the 2 touchdowns that were called back due to 2 phantom penalties, the score would be a lot closer. But, you know what, I’m ok with that. Because, after the Ducks beat Oklahoma and the 2 teams above us lose, we will be #3 or #4 in the nation and you can say you were watching the Golden Girls.

By Karl

December 8, 2005 02:32 PM | Link to this

Typical. You think A.J Hawk is tougher than the USC backers by virtue of being a corn fed white boy? Settle it on the field. They’d destroy you—they are simply out of your leaugue. We’d settle it with you like we did when we destroyed Colorado in the Fiesta bowl-they were supposed to kill us. we’d settle it like we did with Texas the last time we played in the Holiday bowl. Despite what you may think back there on the east coast or the midwest, you are not tougher than we are out west. Despite my disdain for your comments, I respect Ohio State’s efforts and team this year. I saw a very capable and good Ohio State team play against Texas; at that time it was apparent that they had the skills and tools to play against anyone in the nation. When they took the lead late, I called my stepfather, a huge buckeye fan and left a message saying it looked like the buckeyes had a national championship caliber team—and they are excellent no doubt. They finished the season where they deserve to be. I watched some of their games. From your comments about the Ducks it is apparent that you haven’t seen any of ours though.

Notre Dame is the question mark. They’ve sucked the past few years and are 0-6 in their last 6 bowl games. They have two wins against teams with winning records. Does anyone remember the last time ND won a bowl game? Ohio State will destroy Notre Dame. The Big 10 is 5-1 in BCS games—the PAC-10 is 6-1 in BCS games. The SEC, not even close 3-4 (I think) , Big twelve, nope, Big East? ACC? The PAC 10 and the Big tem are the best conferences top to bottom in the county.

As far as a OSU-Oregon matchup goes though, well you guys did manage to beat Michigan this year (for a change. A Duck-Ohio State matchup would be a good game despite what you guys in Ohio think. The Ducks would probably benefit from the very lack of respect for the squad that is so apparent in the comments from Ohio State fans. As far as the who cares factor goes or the we don’t deserve it factor goes though go ahead and think back to a flag that came out a whopping 4.7 seconds after the end of a certain play (a terrible call at that) and consider whether you deserve that National Championship trophy you undoubedtly are so proud of.

As far as overcoming injuries, that is what the Ducks have done this season, winning out with their 2nd and 3rd dtring qbs. This team has the skills speed and heart to play with anyone in the nation. We’ll play with anyone and respect our own efforts and those of our opponents in victory or defeat. Go Ducks!

By Catherine

December 8, 2005 02:33 PM | Link to this

My friend here told me not to use my name on this blog - and reveal I was a woman. She bet me $5 that some moron would make crude remarks about my sex if they couldn’t come back with a coherent response. I guess I owe her $5. Good thing we didn’t make it per incident.

By Esteban

December 8, 2005 02:41 PM | Link to this

Actually, such comments are manifest due to your lack of a coherent argument. Ohio State offense = weak.

By Catherine

December 8, 2005 02:45 PM | Link to this

Karl, I respect your coherent response, even though (obviously) I don’t agree with all of it. For the record, AJ Hawk is widely considered THE best linebacker in the country. I’m not saying USC’s aren’t good - obviously they must be. But that doesn’t mean they outclass every other defense. That’s just not the case.

Of course, you’re spot on about the Big Ten and PAC Ten just being the best. But for the record, your crack about OSU not beating Michigan is about 5 years and one coach out of date. Coach Cooper couldn’t beat Michigan with a stick - he was like 2-10 against them. But Tressle is 4-1 against them.

By Karl

December 8, 2005 02:49 PM | Link to this

Estaban—you’re an idiot. Manifest was the wrong word to use makes your reply to Catherine incoherent. ‘Actually, such comments are due to your lack’ would be sensible and would carry the meaning you pitifully attempt to convey. No wonder you’re an Auburn fan. I’d suggest sticking to grunts or monosyllabic words. Try not to get to complicated ok. By the way, don’t blame shift—your comments are due to the fact that you are a jerk.

By Fan of Football. . .not the B(c)S

December 8, 2005 02:54 PM | Link to this

To Catherine,

Oregon was unranked and beat 23rd ranked Fresno State to put them out of the rankings. Oregon was ranked 24th when they got trounced by number 1 (and still number 1) USC. Incidentally the 11th ranked UCLA team that you so revere got beaten worse by USC then did Oregon. An unranked Oregon then trounced Stanford, a team that the severely over-rated Irish limped past at the last minute. An again 24th ranked Oregon soundly beat a 17th ranked Arizona State, and did so after our first string QB suffered a season ending injury. Do you think Texas, the Irish or USC would have faired as well if they lost Young, Quinn or Leinart? Then without their starting QB, a 15th ranked Oregon takes out 23rd ranked Cal and ultimately ended their regular season at 10 and 1.

Now I won’t sit here and say that Oregon would crush Penn State or Ohio State or even Notre Dame, (though I think the Oregon would beat ND, particularly considering their pathetic bowl record of late). And I won’t sit here say that that the PAC-10 is the best conference in college football. I will say that Oregon can “play with the big boys” and that both Oregon and the PAC-10 deserved some respect…those yellow uniforms aside.

By Esteban

December 8, 2005 02:57 PM | Link to this

Let’s (let us) see, Karl. Shall we pick apart your response? Hmmm. “Manifest was the wrong word to use makes your reply…” This probably should be two sentences. It’s kind of a run-on sentence. “Try not to get to complicated ok.” Hmmm. Karl, it should be “too” complicated and a comma before O.K. Perhaps you have been in the South TOO long. Who’s the idiot?

By karl

December 8, 2005 03:03 PM | Link to this

Those are typos not failures of vocabulary. It wasn’t me who had to make a period reference, it was you. You are clearly an idiot but are definitely not the idiot; the world is full of persons such as yourself. At least you aren’t lonely.

By Catherine

December 8, 2005 03:07 PM | Link to this

Fan of Football…not the B(c)S, if I was forced to choose between Oregon and Notre Dame for a Fiesta Bowl opponant, it would be hard. On the one hand, I think Oregon IS the better team, and I hate all the overblown Notre Dame hype. And Oregon is more deserving. But if I picked Oregon, I’d have to miss seeing Ohio State humiliate Notre Dame on the field, and that never gets old.

I have nothing against Oregon, until their fans start lumping us in with Notre Dame as undeserving, and THAT is unforgivable!

By Esteban

December 8, 2005 03:07 PM | Link to this

Hi Karl, Do you mean period as in being on the “rag”? Or, are we still talking semantics/grammar/vocabulary/punctuation? You know, men go through the same thing-the “rag” that it. Go Thundering Herd!!

By Catherine

December 8, 2005 03:13 PM | Link to this

So….Esteban. Thundering Herd, huh?

That explains a lot.

By YouOweDux

December 8, 2005 03:17 PM | Link to this

GO DUCKS BABY…YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.goducks.net/index2.shtml

We’re going to dismantle the Sooners

By Esteban

December 8, 2005 03:17 PM | Link to this

That’s right Kathi, Moon shine and all. Appalachia is home to me! But, I also like UC-Santa Cruz. Go Banana Slugs! Where’s Hot Karl. Do you know what a “hot karl” is, Cathie?

By dmoney

December 8, 2005 03:20 PM | Link to this

No but Notre Dame will after the Fiesta Bowl!!!

By dmoney

December 8, 2005 03:25 PM | Link to this

Cathy,

Did you get to see that powerhouse of a football team, Arizona, dismantle UCLA. Or was Crossing Jordan on? If so, put the pipe down. Just be happy basketball is starting. Because the football team was WAY OVERRATED, and couldn’t beat Oregon in their best dream.

By Esteban

December 8, 2005 03:50 PM | Link to this

See Hot Karl, I am not the only one roughin’ up, Kath. It’s all in good fun. You are way too serious. Go Pre!

By dmoney

December 8, 2005 04:31 PM | Link to this

I’m not here to “rough up people”. People, like Cathy, that sit back and decide that they know what happend based off the ESPN highlights needs to be quiet. These people make arguments like, UCLA would beat Oregon, etc…

Oregon deserves respect, they lost the one and only person on the team that was more valuable to the Ducks than any player on any other team. That is a bold statement, but when you look at the facts (2 soph QBs as backups, a new spread offense just put in this year and no really big names on offense), you have to come to the conclusion that Clemens was the director of our offense and the most valuable player for the Ducks, to lose him would probably mean that we wouldn’t win many games. Fortunately, this was not true. They went 10-1 with there best player not even in uniform. THE DUCKS DESERVE RESPECT.

One more thing, Cathy. You seem to be up on stats. Take a look at the Ducks-Stanford game, you will see that the Cardinal did not even score on us in the second half.

As for Notre Dame, impressive wins against one of the worst PAC-10 teams this year. BRAVO GENTLEMEN, WAY TO FINISH STRONG AND SHOW US WHY YOU DESERVE THIS HONOR.

By Fan of Football. . .not the B(c)S

December 8, 2005 04:38 PM | Link to this

While I regret the fact that Oregon will not be playing in the Fiesta Bowl against a team like Ohio State or Penn State, (because I think either would make a great game), I take solice in the fact that Ohio State is going to annihilate Notre Dame. Further substantiating the the fact that Notre Dame is the most over-rated and coddled football program in the country.

By Clete

December 8, 2005 06:23 PM | Link to this

All these PAC10, Big10 or 11 or whatever, Notre Lame fans on this blog make me want vomit. Blog back, after all the bowls and the Mythical National Championship are played, and lets compare records and see which conference is the best.

By Clete

December 8, 2005 06:28 PM | Link to this

Apologies. That was supposed to be “want to vomit”. Although I had probably rather want vomit than have to watch OSU and ND play each other.

By Montana Duck

December 8, 2005 07:03 PM | Link to this

Born and raised in Kansas,live in Montana,and I’ve only been to Oregon once,but I love the Ducks!!! Commenting that nobody cares might be true in SEC country,but Moore’s comments are just plain ignorant.It might be wise not to make comments on something you know nothing about.

For all the comments about which SEC or Big 10 team would beat Oregon, unless you have followed the Ducks don’t bother making a comparison, because until then you’re just throwing up words and ideas.Any comments like that clearly reflect an ignorant bias and mean that nothing you say should really be taken seiously.

By the way,Oregon’s made a pretty good run of it in the last, oh, 16 years. Since ‘93 they’ve only had one losing season, and that was followed by a 10-1 regular season (this year).

By Paul

December 8, 2005 10:37 PM | Link to this

Oregon has more supporters nationwide than many people think, I live in Kentucky and I live and breath Duck football. If you lose a game, you lose a game. If you win a game, you win a game. Despite margin of victory, a teams record should speak for itself and last time I checked the only team that Oregon lost to was USC. The team that some people believe to be the best college football team in history, and might very well be if they win the Rose Bowl this year. The fact is Notre Dame would have got a Fiesta Bowl bid with just 5 wins if that made them eligable. The ole Buckeyes were simply bailed out when they automatically moved up to 4th and saved the BCS alot of blame. The Oregon Ducks would have clearly been selected for the Fiesta Bowl if Ohio St. didn’t hit 4th in the rankings. So Oregon will gladly embrace a matchup with Oklahoma for now and dismantle the Sooners. It’s okay. Something tells me that Oregon will be playing in a BCS game next season and everyone will get to see those beautiful green and lightning yellow uniforms that everyone is so jealous of. Go Ducks!

By Mark

December 9, 2005 12:04 AM | Link to this

Hasnt Notre Dame lost their last 7 bowl games? They remind me of “Denny Crain” on Boston Legal, incompetent, but if you keep saying the name enough, somebody will be impressed.

 

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