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By James Evans

October 19, 2005 10:51 PM | Link to this

Best article you have written in a long time. I was afraid with your racist tendancies that you would have been on the other side. Kudos to you.

By Michael

October 19, 2005 11:52 PM | Link to this

The fact that this dress code is an issue shows why the NBA has fallen from the Jordan-Bird-Magic era. Let us also point out that I haven’t seen Dominique Wilkins in anything less than a suit since he wore a basketball jersey. NBA owners are paying millions to unproven players that seem to have the common sense of a politician.

If any spoiled rotten NBA player doesn’t want to wear a suit, I’ll be waiting at the Men’s Wearhouse in a $5,000 suit waiting for my roster spot!

By Luis Valdes

October 20, 2005 09:12 AM | Link to this

I don’t disagree with the dress code, I think that it will help the image of the league, but that is just it, it helps the “image” of the league. However, it is just a band-aid for what is really wrong with big time athletics. The real problem is character, ethics, and integrity. How many of our professional athletes can say that they have character? What about the steroids, the cheating, the crazy behavior. Let’s do something about help our athletes develop some maturity and help them to learn some coping skills to go along with all that cash!

By paul02085

October 20, 2005 09:16 AM | Link to this

i am just amazed that anyone watches the NBA anymore regardless of what they wear.

By maggie

October 20, 2005 09:34 AM | Link to this

I am so glad the NBA came up with this idea…It is wonderful!! Plus, with all the money these guys are making, they should do whatever the league wants them to do without any complaints!

By JB

October 20, 2005 09:35 AM | Link to this

I understand and agree on most levels with the NBA Dress Code. I do feel that the NBA has every right to require that their players present themselves as more professional. That I agree with. What I do not agree with is some of the explanations that I have heard regarding why the Dress Code needed to be implemented. I keep hearing the words “Thug”, “criminal”, “street hustler” and many other negative images attached to the way that many of the young Black NBA player dress. These players do represent their culture and generation by the way that they dress and to say that that representation is unprofessional is completely understandable but to say that it is too “thug” or “criminal like” is completely unacceptable. The VAST MAJORITY of people who dress like that in society or the NBA are neither thugs, nor criminals, nor street hustlers. To state other wise perpetuates many of the same negative racial stereotypes that have plagued our country since it’s inception.

By Pops

October 20, 2005 09:40 AM | Link to this

It’s about time. These thugs and punks that call themselves NBA “Stars” couldn’t hold a candle to true NBA lengends. They may have more talent, but they lack integrity and even civility. I don’t watch the NBA anymore because I grew tired of the chest thumping, trash talking, non-team playing bums. If you look like a thug, act like a thug, talk like a thug and dress like a thug, you must be thug.

By Jim

October 20, 2005 09:52 AM | Link to this

Please Terrence… explain to the young black athletes that looking like the neighborhood pimp is not what life is about.

No, clothes and style don’t make the man… however when we dress like a duck folks think we’re a duck.

The NBA is correct in attempting to recreate its image… this old SAWB (you know smart a* white boy) sure is turned off by the African American athletes that emulate gangsters and street corner pimps…. to the point that I watch ZERO basketball…. period

By Greg B

October 20, 2005 09:56 AM | Link to this

In your article you mention that the trend in hip-hop may be changing to a more corporate look. If this is indeed the case why not let this new trend take its course. Jordan brought his identity to the game and he was accepted by virtually everyone worldwide. Likewise Allen Iverson has managed to capture the hearts of fans worldwide. Why shoudn’t this generation be allowed to choose their own heroes. This is America there doesn’t have to be a cookie cutter approach to everything. If the NBA players represent a facet of our culture then so be it. Let’s not forget we are talking about entertainment.

By Charles L. Freeman

October 20, 2005 10:21 AM | Link to this

As a 49 y/o black man whose minister grandfather marched with Dr King and was ALWAYS dressed in a suit, tie and hat, I applaud David Stern’s desire to “de-thug” the NBA.

By Rahim

October 20, 2005 10:45 AM | Link to this

Coming from an era when the NBA was all about STYLE. I think this should be a no brainer to today’s Ballers. Clyde nor the Pearl would never be caught in baggy jeans and sneakers, never.

By J.T.

October 20, 2005 11:06 AM | Link to this

Raja Bell of the Phoenix Suns had the following to say, “”We sell to kids and people who are into the NBA hip-hop world. They may be marketing to the wrong people with this.”

Why? Call me old fashioned, but why is it that hip hoppers need to look up to a bunch of players dressed like bums? Why is it that young black men can’t look like they are professional and still get respect? I would think that dressing as such would command more respect.

Maybe if Raja really thought about this, he would realize that he has an even greater chance to make a positive influence on the youth of America. In other words, “I may wear shorts and a tank top to work as a basketball player, but even though I get paid millions to do my job, I still want to look like a professional in my down time.”

By JD

October 20, 2005 11:08 AM | Link to this

Since when does a killer and/or assassin, i.e., thug as it is being so loosely used, sport (purchased) diamonds, gold, etc.?

By 2 can play that game

October 20, 2005 11:08 AM | Link to this

1st amendment??? While I personally don’t subscribe to the “thug” look, I do not agree with this mandate at all!!! what’s next, no more cornrows, or tattoos?

By Ed B

October 20, 2005 11:10 AM | Link to this

I suspect this has less to do with players looking like unemployed street thugs, and everything to do with the NBA losing corporate suite money. The fans in the stands may dress that way, but the “suits” in the suites that really generate the NBA’s profits look at it and lose their desire to put money into the NBA. Follow the money trail and I think you will find the origin of this dress code policy.

By JD

October 20, 2005 11:11 AM | Link to this

I think I just described George Bush.

By Rod from Stone Mnt

October 20, 2005 11:12 AM | Link to this

At least the NBA is attempting to clean up its image. Major League Baseball is full of cheaters and the owners and the commissioner bend over backwards to protect them. Hockey is a fist fight on ice. The NFL and NASCAR lack sportsmanship. But the worst of all are the makers of the video games (EA Sports and Sony PlayStation). They are corrupting the youth minds year around.

By Shante

October 20, 2005 11:13 AM | Link to this

I can’t believe that people think that jeans and a t-shirt equals a thug, or pimp dress. What world are you living in? I agree with JB in saying yes, the players do need to be professional on and off the court, but the verbiage that is being used in responses and the media is way off the mark.

By Swangirl

October 20, 2005 11:13 AM | Link to this

“According to research by Richard E. Lapchick of Central Florida, only one out of 10,000 high school basketball players will spend a millisecond in the NBA. Even so, Lapchick determined that 59 percent of those youngsters believe they will dribble as a pro someday. Thus is the reason why a slew of them wish to play and dress like their favorite pro athlete.”

Thank you, THANK YOU, for this bit of information. I hope teachers will print it out and show it to their more lackluster students who are convinced they are the next “big thing” the NBA is praying for. These kids have to wake up and realize that they need to invest in their future by doing well in school first.

By Harveyl

October 20, 2005 11:14 AM | Link to this

Don’t Judge a Book by Its Cover-I never saw Tom DeLay in a workout sweats or sagging pants,T-shirts or jersey!

By K Virden

October 20, 2005 11:14 AM | Link to this

Terrance once again, you were right on the target with your article. As a 44 year old black male and father of two sons, ages 14 & 16. Its a real turn off to see these grown men dressing like a child. I approve of the NBA dress code and if any player doesn’t like it, let him go out and find a real job M-F and live a real life.

Come’on black men, step up and represent all of us in a positive way.

By Harveyl

October 20, 2005 11:15 AM | Link to this

Don’t judge a book by its cover-I never saw Tom DeLay in workout sweats, sagging pants,T-shirt,or jersey!

By James

October 20, 2005 11:16 AM | Link to this

This is a move in a positive direction. I am of the opinion the way one dress impacts their behavior.

By joe

October 20, 2005 11:17 AM | Link to this

Where I work I am expected to dress a certain way and show a certain dignity. I don’t see why athletes who are “employed” by an organization feel they shouldn’t follow the mandates set down by their employer. Fortune 500 companies expect their employees to project a certain image, so should pro sports leagues. Grow up.

By Bob S.

October 20, 2005 11:17 AM | Link to this

I usually dont agree with Mr Moore, but this time I think your right on the mark. Thank you Mr Stern for haveing the guts to take this stance. To JB your right the VAST MAJORITY of people who dress like that in society or the NBA are neither thugs, nor criminals, nor street hustlers. However the Vast MAJORITY of Thugs,Criminals and Hustlers do dress like this. So I agree with Pops,If you look like a thug, act like a thug, talk like a thug and dress like a thug, you must be thug. To Greg B unfortunately it’s not just entertainment, it’s about live style and way a of life that many impressionable young fans will try to emulate. Just because Hiler had a mass following didn’t make him right.

By Jim Rhodes

October 20, 2005 11:18 AM | Link to this

Terrance I don’t often agree with you but you were right on with this article. This is a step in the right direction for the NBA.

By Juelz

October 20, 2005 11:21 AM | Link to this

You are who you are no matter what they dress u up as I believe this new policy is stupid. Most jobs have a dress code, yes but this job was not based on how great of a business professional you are. It is based on pure skill, and these days you dont find that skill rapped up in a suit. Those kids were to busy studyin to play. Leave basket ball where it is, in the streets thats where the real talent is Nelly and Jay-Z werent always wearin suits they changed and now we are forcin the basket ball players to change to. And who the hell is gonna take off a three piece suit when they have to get back on the court.

By yw

October 20, 2005 11:23 AM | Link to this

Well, Mr Stern stop selling your $100.00 plus NBA jersey to our young African American community. If you want to change the images of your player.

By Ben

October 20, 2005 11:26 AM | Link to this

This dress code is reall stupid. C’mon now do you really think that seeing someone in a suit and tie is going to change anyone’s pre-concieved notions about Black NBA players or young Blacks in general. To paraphrase Allen Iverson if you put a suit and tie on a murderer he is still a murder. Most if not all of the ballers in the NBA learned their game from streetball so they are paying homage to the street courts the honed their skills. And besides I watch basketball for action on the court and not for a fashion show. Seeing Allen Iverson in a suit and tie is not going to make me watch basketball any more or less.

By david

October 20, 2005 11:26 AM | Link to this

Charles Barkley said it best last night on the Tonight Show- Quote”If you are making NBA money you can dress however the Hell you want,but keep in mind that in the minds of the young men who idolize you that 99% of them can NOT get a job in the real world and be a productive citizen when dressed like a clown”Well said Mr.Barkley.

By Ron

October 20, 2005 11:27 AM | Link to this

I would like to say, I agree with the dress code for the NBA player. It shows professionalism. But what you people don’t realize is the generation today wants to look like a thug or as some say a criminal. It’s hip to look hard and and ruthless. I don’t agree with it and true you can not judge a book by it cover, but that is the look they are going for, HARD RUTHLESS THUG.

By Bud

October 20, 2005 11:29 AM | Link to this

Gosh, I hope that Stern’s new dress code won’t interfere with the average NBA players’ ability to sire more illegitimate children.

—Bud—

By Judson Powell

October 20, 2005 11:33 AM | Link to this

As we all know most of the players in the NBA are Black. The dress code affects the Black players and their ability to make money off the court. Many of the players have made images by wearing hip hop gear and many of their shoe contracts are based on that image and their appeal to young people in the hip hop generation. One of the most out spoken players against the dress code is the Philadelphia Seventy Sixers Allen Iverson. Iverson feels that he has taken a great deal of time to develop his image and the 10 year veteran feels that he should be allowed to continue to wear what he wants to wear when he is not in uniform.

Many players are already losing money on clothing and shoe endorsement deals as rappers are now moving into the lucrative shoe contract business. Rap artists like Jay-Z, 50-Cent, and Missy Elliot all have shoe contracts and are now taking money that used to be exclusively for athletes and especially for basketball players. Football players were traditionally left out of the shoe marketing business because they wear helmets and many of their faces are not recognizable. The Oakland Raiders’ Warren Sapp was continually penalized and fined while he played for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for removing his helmet during games. In the NFL it is a violation to remove the helmet unless you are on the sideline or during a timeout. Sapp complained that the rule takes away the players ability to market themselves because no one can see their faces.

The result was that the shoe companies turned to the NBA and most notably Michael Jordan. Jordan, when he signed with Nike, began the era of multimillion dollar shoe contracts in the NBA. The shoe companies were drawn to the fact that basketball players had a lot of face time on television and were easily recognizable. Us older guys remember the Magic Johnson Converse shoes and the even older guys remember the Puma Clyde’s which, were named after the New York Knicks All Star guard Walt “Clyde� Frazier but they didn’t make near the kind of money that Jordan made from his shoe deals. This outside income sparked criticism from many NBA owners and people in the media because they wanted to know if the player worked for their team or if they worked for the shoe company.

Was it a question of loyalty or were the critics upset at the astronomical incomes that some of the players were making and were the owners afraid that they would lose control over the players because they no longer controlled all the purse strings? I have a sneaking suspicion that control was the issue then. I would also say that control is the issue with the implementation of the new dress code today. The bigger question is whether or not this new dress code is racist. I for one believe it is. Don’t get me wrong I am not a proponent of hip hop gear for myself. A jersey and a cap are about as far as I will go. I am not into the sagging pants and the “bling bling� medallions.

However, the banning of hip hop gear is racist because it takes away part of our African-American culture. It is a form of original expression completely unique to the hip hop culture and young African-American males. Part of supremacy is to take away the other persons culture and identity so that you can gain power and control over them. In my opinion it is a violation of the free speech and free expression guaranteed by the constitution. My feeling is that I may not like what you wear of what you say but in America you have the right to wear it and say it. NBA Commissioner David Stern is wrong on this one and Billy Hunter and the NBA Players Union should fight back. This dress code will take money out of many players’ pockets because their appeal to the younger audience will be diminished. A man has a right to his image and to dress according to how he sees fit.

Stern, even though he denies it, has caved in to big business and corporations who sponsor and televise the games. They are tired of seeing young Black men turn themselves into marketable enterprises and brand names and make hundreds of millions of dollars that they can’t get their hands on. Money, power, and control are what it is all about. Jordan for sure grew larger than the game and younger players like LaBron, Iverson, and Shaq have grown larger than the game. They are their own independent enterprises and make more money off the court than they do on the court. Forcing them to dress a certain way is detrimental to their earning potential. Plus let’s not forget these are grown men and they are just playing a game and they have the right to dress any way they chose. Mr. Stern let my people go!

By E-Rud

October 20, 2005 11:33 AM | Link to this

That is the problems most of the young NBA players want to be THUGS everwhere they go looking like fools!

By HCB

October 20, 2005 11:35 AM | Link to this

This is one great article by Mr. Moore. NBA players,just play the game, adhere to the dress code or get out of the NBA and work a regular job like myself and others who do not bounce a basket ball. Every job has a dress code, this is your job, the NBA is your boss, shut-up, dress like professionals and just play ball. If I do not want to follow my firm’s dress code, I can just disregard it and be fired first time i walk into the office dress otherwise. I’m paid by the hour, have a great education, can only wear jeans on Fridays, no tee’s of any sort, no polo’s, no sneakers, no outter garments showing any type of lettering/advertising, except something firm related. So NBA millionaires, just shut-up, dress-up and play ball.

By dw

October 20, 2005 11:36 AM | Link to this

yw,

The answer is not for Mr. Stern to stop selling $100+ jerseys. The answer is for parents to stop buying the jerseys for their kids and encouraging their kids to spend their money more wisely. He won’t sell what we won’t buy.

By Terry

October 20, 2005 11:37 AM | Link to this

These responses by readers underscores the need to address the “perception” that gangsta clothing has on both the NBA and black males.

Let’s face it, if you read the AJC and respond to these blogs, you are probably well educated. I find it quite revealing that the black men who have responded to this article, as a group, support the NBA dress code. Therefore, it could be rightfully assumed that, on average, an educated black man sees the value of “dressing for success.”

That leaves the perception that black men (and white men) who dress like “gangsta rappers” are uneducated and therefore aren’t capable of dressing in a manner that indicates some meaningful level of intelligence or education.

This NBA “gangsta look” has spilled over into our schools where kids try to “out-bling” their classmates instead of focusing on their education (but that subject is on another AJC blog.)

Hopefully we can get back to the days of dressing in the business-like manner of Michael, Magic and Bird. Just maybe not back to the Walt Frazier days, please. (Thank God for the death of polyester suits.)

By L. Bell

October 20, 2005 11:38 AM | Link to this

As a young black male I actually agree that when you come to work you should dress the part. But I’m begging people to stop with this, if you wear baggy clothes, chains, throw back jerseys, that you’re some kind of thug. I work a 9 to 5 where I wear slacks and button ups every day. On the weekend I wear “urban” gear. And it may shock some of your readers, but I’ve never been to jail. You know why. Because clothes don’t make someone a criminal. Actions do. The problem is not the players portraying themselves in one way or the other. The problem is that thick headed prejudice (not racist) people who judge folks strictly on appearance rather than there actions. The folks in the Mafia wore the nicest suits ever. The original thugs of thugs.

By 2 can play that game

October 20, 2005 11:39 AM | Link to this

Amen Judson…….it’s all about control…..and if you don’t like the look of the NBA, turn the channel….one gentleman made the comment that this affects the portrayal of African American men everywhere……How???? What you do/wear has no bearing on me….I’m the only person held accountable for my actions…not AI, or anyone else!

By tugabug

October 20, 2005 11:42 AM | Link to this

I think it’s great - my dad officiated basketball in the 70’s - all players and coaches looked respectable. It’s about time that these icons step up to the plate and present themselves in a better light with the kids/teenagers. Morality has good downhill and adults need to make the positive changes first.

By tugabug

October 20, 2005 11:43 AM | Link to this

I think it’s great - my dad officiated basketball in the 70’s - all players and coaches looked respectable. It’s about time that these icons step up to the plate and present themselves in a better light with the kids/teenagers. Morality has gone downhill and adults need to make the positive changes first.

By 2 can play that game

October 20, 2005 11:50 AM | Link to this

seeing saggy shorts, or a wad of tobacco protruding from your mouth, which is worse???? Cancer is known to kill, while I’ve yet to read where anyone has died as a result of over “bling.”

By WhoCares

October 20, 2005 11:59 AM | Link to this

I believe the real problem lies with the owners. The NBA at one time was a league of men. Players where required to attend college which most did attend. In college, you learn a lot about life and its trials. It somewhat prepares you for what is the real world. Today the NBA and its many arms go to high schools, and grab these kids, who have never had responsibilities. Most have never paid for there own clothing, their parents allowed them to dress a certain way, they are then thrust into the NBA, lots of money and excess; hey continue what they know.

If the NBA really wants to clean up its image? Force the kids to continue their education to learn that the real world does require standards of dress and behavior.

Because of the NBA desperate need to be popular and targeting the youth to attain this status, plus owner greed, you have what you wanted. This dress code thing is their attempt to rein in the control they gave up.

By A

October 20, 2005 12:05 PM | Link to this

It seems to me that a lot of people feel that wearing hip hop attire or letting the players dress as they have been is negative. Whether in a suit or a jogging suit these are the same individuals. Letting them dress how they want allows them to be themselves. With every negative thing that happens in this country maybe we should all be less concerned about what one individual is wearing and more concerned about what individuals are doing. As a huge fan of basketball it will not make me watch it any more or less because they are now in suits inside of jogging pants. David Stern should realize who his “employees” are they are young millioniares, who are black, and who have grown up in the hip hop world, if he wants his “employees” to come to work in business suits maybe he should be working in an office building.

By D. Lilly

October 20, 2005 12:12 PM | Link to this

To all the “bandwagoners” that’s jumped on the “Thug” bandwagon in reguards to NBA players dress, I hope you have that same attitude the next time a woman is called a slut, whore, or “she got what she deserved” simple because of the way she was dressed.

I won’t hold my breath though we all know that young blacks are the only people held to this standard.

Besides, how in the heck can that HYPOCRIT David Stern ban something THE NBA SELLS FOR $200 under their corporate name? And on top of that, the very “thug” will be used to promote the NBA wearing the very clothing this “crit” is selling.

Used an entire culture, Hip Hop to build a near bankrupt league and now it’s time to hand it back over to the skybox and middle America massa.

By Hal

October 20, 2005 12:14 PM | Link to this

Wow…this article makes alot of sense. I’m 26 years old and I remember seeing Michael Jordan at the Omni in a suit and I told my parents I wanted a suit like that. I actually used to get dress pointers from NBA players. I hope all the leagues require the players to dress up, besides if youre making at least $300,000, you can dress up. It is a job, and any job where it is feasible, you should dress professional. The only thing that I did not like was the shot at Ludacris at the end. He will dress up eventually and so will hip-hop.

By Rob D

October 20, 2005 12:16 PM | Link to this

I love to hear how America feels about our young African-American men. We are “thugs” and “pimps” now, I am 24 and I am tired of it. Its time for the players to get grown and start using their money to gain power. Why do we have to sit in a league where our fans consider us inferior because we dress a certain way. The old days are gone, its the new age, I feel you guys pain that u cant stand some of these guys and the way they act and dress, but hey you support politicans that lie, cheat and steal, Democrat and Republican, Black and White, and you guys cant stand up for that. Its a game when will you realize that, who cares how they dress. You dont go to the game and say Damn! look Al Harrington with that three-piece suit on the bench or look how nice he is dressed in an interview. If he scores 30 and the Hawks win, thats all you remember. You guys see Rasheed and the Pacers fight, now all the Black NBA player are criminals and you cant stand the game. Well here is my proposal, since all the professinal player and college players dress and act like thugs and pimps, it is time to go back to the old days you guys loved so much. We can start an NBA with all the thugs, an NFl with all the thugs, you can keep the MLB, NHL and NASCAR. And we can send all thug college players back to the predominantly black schools. And then you can have your leagues back the way you want them. Whenever these guys learn the power they have they can overtake this business and play for the fans who really care about the entertainment value they create, no the role models they hold them to be. You want them to do their job, so why don’t you do yours and teach them something they never had the opportunity to learn in their childhood. If you spent as much time talking and counseling as you do criticizing, it would be amazing how much the poverty level and miseducation of African American kids would decrease, thus reducing your “thugs” and “Pimps”.

By BigDaddy

October 20, 2005 12:17 PM | Link to this

Judson Powell, et al: that is one of the most well-thought out, well-presented, cogent arguments presented for not enacting a dress code. However, you’ve based your entire premise on a faulty notion. David Stern’s dress code does not dictate to NBA players what they must wear every second of every day of their lives. The dress code is only applicable when these employees of the NBA are on NBA business. After the players leave the locker room and go out clubbing, they are free to keep it as real as they want (read: dress like a hood-rat).

I had to do the same thing in my business (I run medical offices). I had a couple of men (a little light in the loafers) who started coming to work in pink hot pants. I had women coming to work with crop tops on. Needless to say, this did not look professional - in fact it was offensive to paying customers. In order to not alienate those who actually pay for my company’s product, I implemented a dress code. To this day, though, I have no control over what my employees wear in their private lives, only what they wear when representing my company.

The same holds true for the NBA. Players can wear whatever they want - as long as they are not on official NBA business. Players are free to make a choice: dress however they want, whenever they want, OR, dress in business-casual attire for their job and make millions playing a game. This shouldn’t be a hard decision - but you’d never know it from the absurd degree of hand-wringing and irresponsible, racially-charged arguments against role models being required to dress a bit better than pimps, hustlers and drug dealers.

By 2 can play that game

October 20, 2005 12:18 PM | Link to this

well said D. Lilly….this is a prime example of how the new breed of racism is being played out in this country….it’s “applied” to everyone, but it surely doesn’t “affect” everyone!

By Eric

October 20, 2005 12:21 PM | Link to this

Fashion is good. It has defined STYLE periods over the years. I agree both wqys here. Players can gear up any way they please. Just like we do. When they come to work, a basic dress code should not bother them. They’ll adjust. My problem is with the lack of leadership to allow the situation to get this far without making a league wide rule. 10 years too late!! Many fans lost from the full umbrella of THUG life-isms that have manifest over the past decade. Sneaker companies and commercials approved by the NBA are not off the hook either. This whole multibillion dollar Basketball business is sick. No different that dealing drugs to kids!!!!!!!!

By Latonia

October 20, 2005 12:26 PM | Link to this

I am a big fan of the NBA, I am also a mother raising a son. I really like the idea of the dress code, because the players should repersent themselfs as the professionals that they are. Let there skills speak for them because if an invester is interested in them I would think they would want to see someone that carries himself with respect and dignety then someone who looks like the street hustler because yes the drug dealers dress the way Iverson dresses. I’m trying to teach my son to show respect for himself in his appearance. Some on the players look like they just got out of the bed to come to the game and thats very disrespectful. Your making the millions, look the part.

By David

October 20, 2005 12:26 PM | Link to this

These players need to wake-up and smell the coffee. They are paid much more than “Leo Mullin” the Crown Prince of the looser league from Delta Airline. “Little Leo” dressed nicely for much less pay than these hoop stars from Phi Slama Jama.

With the average pay of $ 4 million per year with multi-year contracts exceeding $25-30 million for part of a career is not half bad. Too bad are being asked to shed some of their Bling Bling and Sloppy clothing.

Welcome to the real world fella’s as most of us are not paid on a rock star pay scale with absolutely no other requirements other than the ability to light up a scoreboard.

These guys should quit crying racism and be thankful to live in a country which provides such an opportunity to be paid such a large sum of money with such a small real contribution.

By dan

October 20, 2005 12:29 PM | Link to this

Never write in comments and rarely if ever agree with Mr. Moore. This time he is so right on I had to support his position. The NBA has got to come into the real world.

By DRJ

October 20, 2005 12:31 PM | Link to this

OK…the first amendment allows freedom of speech in a public forum. Work dress codes are part of a contract you sign or understanding you have with your employer. In return you make money. It is that simple. If you want the money, you do what the employer wants. If you do not want to live up to your obligations in regards to this…look for another job. Most people have to deal with this in their jobs. Why should athletes be excluded from this societal mandate?

By 2 can play that game

October 20, 2005 12:36 PM | Link to this

because, DRJ, this is an “ex post facto” mandate…..had this rule been in existence from start, there would be no discussion…true indeed, they have the option of finding another source of income should they decide not to adhere to the guidelines, but this is akin to changing the rules after the game has started…

By BigDaddy

October 20, 2005 12:41 PM | Link to this

2 can play that game, all dress codes in every industry, by your reasoning, are ex post facto. That is not a valid argument.

By Kenn

October 20, 2005 12:41 PM | Link to this

Now that the NBA has a dress code, perhaps they’ll start enforcing the basic rules of the game? Remember “travelling and 3 second violations in the lane”? I may even start watching the pro game again if this happens. In the meantime I’ll enjoy high school and college games where the fundementals are still practiced.

By Jestin

October 20, 2005 12:47 PM | Link to this

I must say that I agree with the standardard of dress now enforced by the NBA. However, I must agree with Sir Charles Barkely that if you make NBA money you can dress how the hell you want. I’ve read many blogs mentioning the fact that there are standards of dress for almost every career field. In the NBA, the standard of dress is the uniform that is worn on the court of play. I think players should abide be a dress code when they are attending offical NBA functions but not to from the sports arena.

The association of types of dress with a particular lifestyle should really be minimized. The problem in our society is how quick we are to prejudge what we are unfamiliar with. What’s so interesting is that if I wear a do-rag, white t-shirt and baggy jeans to my job as a budget analyst for the State of Georgia then I will likely be labeled a thug regardless how well I do my job.

But, I guess it our own fault for such an association. When music, athletics, television, over emphsizes such behavior what can you expect.

By Shelby

October 20, 2005 12:51 PM | Link to this

I agree with the new NBA dress code. When I go to work, I have to dress according to the guidelines my company set in place. If I don’t then I will lose my job. Why shouldn’t NBA players have to dress as according to the guidelines of their company or lose their job? And as far as those players who think they should receive a clothing allowance, give me a break. They make plenty of money to but big cars and big homes. Take some of their car money and buy a suit. What happened to the good ol’ days of the NBA…when class not crass ruled the court? Bring back Magic, Bird, MJ, Dr. J, The Ice Man…legends who represented the NBA on and off the court. Today’s players are brats!

By Cianci Amoroius

October 20, 2005 12:55 PM | Link to this

Eventually black athletes will realize that they are the product and control their own destiny. Eventually they will also realize that this is a modern day verison of slavery, voluntary slavery. Restoring the glory of the Negroe leagues would quickly stop the white man’s racist rules regarding the awesomely unmatched physical superiority of black athletes and infinite creativity of black style. I suppose Phat Farm and all the other black clothiers are hurting mainstream white clothing stores.

By John Reid

October 20, 2005 01:01 PM | Link to this

Just because I like to wear jerseys and sneakers doesn’t mean I can wear them to the office on Monday mornings. It’s as Terence said, be a professional and shut up. You work for the league, don’t forget that!

By Guy06

October 20, 2005 01:01 PM | Link to this

Very well said Terence. I cannot help but think about the comments that Bill Cosby said a while back. Cosby was right! I have no problem with the new NBA dress code. NBA players are still free to dress as they choose when not connected with their place of employment. Sounds fair to me. I often kick it in a Falcons Jersey and my Air-Force 1’s…but not at work. It is business attire for doing business. As for thugs, crooks, and criminals…they come in all shapes and sizes and dress in all manners.

By Eric

October 20, 2005 01:03 PM | Link to this

What seems to perplex me is the fact that many of the upset players feel this is a personal shot at them and more importantly their culture. While some of the clothing that they are no longer allowed to wear may tie into a “street” image, I think it is no crime to ask players to appear professional wehn going to work. These players make millions of dollars a year, I don’t think asking them to dress business casual is a shot at their culture, but rather a chance to show respect for the company they work for. In your own time, dress how you please, but when it is time to represent your business, act like a businessman.

By Duane

October 20, 2005 01:04 PM | Link to this

I think Mr. Moore is correct. I applaud the NBA( No Babies Allowed) for raising the standards. I teach in a inner city school and we are loosing of generation of young African Americans. To whom much is given, much is required and the NBA is behind in realizing that. If we raise the bar, then this generation will have to follow suit to survive. It takes a village to raise a child.

By antonio

October 20, 2005 01:10 PM | Link to this

Judson, stop listening to Jesse.

By TIFFANY

October 20, 2005 01:11 PM | Link to this

I am the mother of 2 teenagers both of whom love sports and the “new image” that is potrayed by the players. My oldest is a girl that has to constantly get drilled on the importance of image. We feel that the jersey and uniform look is fine in it’s place but image is very important even at 15. We are teaching her that looking like a ball player is fine when you are playing ball but looking like a ball player all the time isn’t. My 13 y/o son likes the baggy, unlaced shoe look but since we are the ones that purchase his clothes then we don’t allow or condone that “thuggish” look.

By Chris

October 20, 2005 01:14 PM | Link to this

I really dont have a problem with the dress code but it kind of made me mad a little because of their reasons for having one. They might as well have just told the truth for why they wanted one. Because young black males dressing in do-rags, jersey’s, jeans and t-shirts still scares white america, and you dont want to scare away the people that is spending the most money on the sport. If the sport was 80 percent white you wouldnt hear David Stern making a dress code because hes tired of seeing Steve Nash wear Nike T-Shirts and jeans to the game.

And Mr. Moore dont try to take one part of a Jay-Z song and use it in your arguement. First of all jeans and a button up would be against the new dress code and secondly you should hear some of the things he says in the rest of that song. And making pro players dress up is not going to change how young people dress. Where you grow up has more influence on how you are going to dress than basketball. I grew up in southwest atlanta and i dress just like those so called thugs and hustlers that you are speaking about but i know when to put on some business cloths because my parents raised me, not the sports players that I watched on tv.

By Shock 'em Shockley

October 20, 2005 01:15 PM | Link to this

To the person who mentioned the first ammendment-You obviously do not understand it. If the players don’t like it, they can leave the NBA and go start their own league, where they may dress and act as they please. Otherwise, they don’t have a say in the matter, period. They have no rights, just like if you work at a private company, to have a say in the dress code that is enforced. To bring free speech into this is merely a display of your own ignorance.

By Randy

October 20, 2005 01:16 PM | Link to this

Well I guess they will be bringing back those “nut buster” shorts too. I mean this thing started with “Michael Jordan” breaking the on the court dress code. Now all of you are on his (excuse the pun)nuts. Remember Jordan and those “killer” big shorts and those “drug dealer” sneakers. Maybe Mike liked shorts that fit his physical make up. hint hint. Those shoes he wore we different they accented the uniform. The way Blacks have all ways “jazzed” up there personal style. Maybe thats the real issue style. I have seen mention of Walt Frazier, who dressed like a 70’s pimp/drug dealer or brother with style. Dont worry about the Brothers they will find away around the so called rules, like they always do, like Jordan did.

By BigDaddy

October 20, 2005 01:23 PM | Link to this

Cianci Amoroius, you are so right: making players who by and large make millions of dollars per year at a job they are not forced to do, but enter into willingly, is just like an institution where you don’t even own yourself, where you can be whipped, beaten, raped, seperated from your family, bought and sold, worked to death and hanged at the whim of another. Do you know anyone who takes you seriously?

By 2 can play that game

October 20, 2005 01:27 PM | Link to this

since NASCAR is becoming so increasingly popular, wonder if they’ll be required to wear business casual clothing to and from the tracks? I mean they do represent the stereotypical southern, tobacco chewing, “redneck.”

By Eric B

October 20, 2005 01:28 PM | Link to this

Terrence

I am a proponent for business suits but why headphones and jewelry. Moore is a joke professionally and literally. If Moore doesn’t see the undertones, he’s still a lost BROTHER. What will Mark Cuban wear on the sidelines while representing the NBA? If Moore works work with so many youth why isn’t he considered a role model !!!! AJC is AP/UPI paper….hire some real writers!

By david

October 20, 2005 01:40 PM | Link to this

Yes,Clanci Amoroius,that’s what the players need to do is turn the NBA into streetball at Rucker Park,where you are free to express yourself and dress as you please.The TV networks will be free to express themselves also by not televising the games and the players will then be able to decide if they have enough money to buy the bling and the attire or any of the many other decisions that need to be made when your minium salary of today’s NBA becomes more than the maxium salary of the days you wish for.No TV contracts lead to no exposure and then follows no one gives a damn about your product.Great business plan,Entitled “The Road to Ruination”

By G

October 20, 2005 01:43 PM | Link to this

To you people that believes drug dealers look and dress like Iverson, stop watching so much tv. I got to school and noticed that the people that look and dress more like Steve Nash has and pushes more drugs.

By Shock 'em Shockley

October 20, 2005 01:43 PM | Link to this

2 can play that game- What does your comment even mean? You fail to make any valid points. The idiot that said “voluntary slavery”, Cianci (whatever the hell that means) shows his/her ignorance by the contradiction I mentioned above. Get a clue.

By JOHN

October 20, 2005 01:44 PM | Link to this

Would your portrayal of African American men change if the “Thug” put on a 3 pc. suit? Why would you allow a inner city thug high school graduate to be your childrens role model? If NBA players made less than $20,000, would you even care what they wore to a game? Who knew that forceing NBA players to wear business suits would have more impact on racial harmony than Martin Luther King? WOW!

By calou

October 20, 2005 01:46 PM | Link to this

totally agree with john reid. to 2 can play etc… if cancer is that deadly why those rappers die with more lead in their body than bling bling around their neck?????? also if you come to a job interview dressed like crap, you will be consider crap even if you’re not because there are more people looking for jobs than job offered. you won’t change society. if you’re an executive whatever color your skin is you’ll have to wear a suit to work, after hours belongs to you

By BigDaddy

October 20, 2005 01:46 PM | Link to this

2 can play that game, you might have a point if all NASCAR drivers showed up to the track barefoot in ripped overalls with no shirt underneath, a straw hat on and a chaw in. But since that’s not the case, I’m not sure what your point is. The NBA and NASCAR are not run by the same people, and as such are free to set different standards for dress and conduct of their employees. I think you might have caught the dreaded Cynthia Tucker virus: everything can only be seen in racial terms…

By Brenda

October 20, 2005 01:49 PM | Link to this

It’s about time…I grew up watching NBA games with my mom or dad when I was a young girl…(yes, I hung out with my dad watching games on the weekends!!!) Basketball icons like Walt Frazier, Julius Erving, Ervin Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Artis Gilmore, George Gervin always exhibited class in the way they dressed and how they presented themselves on and off the court. I think they realized early on that children were watching them as examples as they are now. Kudos to the NBA for cleaning up the crappy image. I may start watching basketball again!

By Rob D

October 20, 2005 01:49 PM | Link to this

Open your minds people, stop being so defensive. There is nothing wrong with not liking the way young black people dress and what it represents. I am more hurt when people lie, every person on here that speaks negatively about this feels like that image means i am just getting out of prison or i am headed there. Why dont you old white and black men try growing up in a country, where every person you see in power doesn’t look like you, where 80% of the country does not look like then 10 % of the remaining 20% hates that you are ruining their culture. Welcome to the young African American Males world. You guys always complain about the players, if the players are making millions, how much do you think the person signing their check is making. Why dont you ever here any beeps about them, hmmmm? Oh yeah for all the so called racially intelligent people, there are other forms of slavery besides what you think slavery is. Slavery is a mindset,slaves are made to believe that their only option is to serve the master to ensure their well being. Thats why when the slaves were freed, they went back to their masters, because they had been trained too. Need an example, think about how you bought your dog as a puppy and trained him, he is a wild animal trained to be cuddly family pet. If he ever realized that you were the person that enslaved him, he would reach up and bite you in the rear. Get smart people, educate and conversate.

By Shock 'em Shockley

October 20, 2005 01:50 PM | Link to this

Where do some of you who are making these comments get your logic? Nobody owes any of these players ANYTHING, they are not entitled to ANYTHING, they don’t have a right to do whatever they please and that includes how they dress. The only right they have is to choose not to play in the league. Sure they’ll b*** and moan, but they know who signs the check that comes in the mail every two weeks and I guarantee you, NONE of them will exercise the right that I mentioned above.

By BigDaddy

October 20, 2005 01:54 PM | Link to this

Rob D, so what you’re saying is that modern slavery exists, where men (both black and white) freely enter into an industry and make millions of dollars, because black people are no smarter than dogs? That argument is more illegitimate than Shawn Kemp’s family! That’s more outrageous than the Republican Congress’s spending habit! Personally, I think a lot more of black men (and women) to equate them with the intelligence of dogs. I’m just sorry you don’t share that sentiment…

By MJ23

October 20, 2005 01:55 PM | Link to this

Rob D-What part of Africa do you originate from? Last I checked we’re all AMERICANS.

By B

October 20, 2005 01:59 PM | Link to this

The comment regarding “they are marketing to the wrong people with this” is completely idiotic. The people that buy into the “thug” look don’t have any money anyway. So good luck “marketing” to them. That is exactly why the NBA is trying to change its image so that it is more mainstream and people that do have money will watch basketball.

Plus, it is really sad that the term racism is thrown around in reference to a dress code. Can you imagine Dr. King marching against this? I can’t. I think referring to a dress code for players that make millions of dollars cheapens the legacy of real civil rights activists. This just adds to the perception that the term racism or racist is nothing more than a cheap card to play when you have nothing else in your hand.

By MJ23

October 20, 2005 01:59 PM | Link to this

Nice point bigdaddy. Just like we’re all AMERICANS, we’re all HUMAN, too. Your analogy only defeats your purpose.

By 2 can play that game

October 20, 2005 02:04 PM | Link to this

Shockley, I don’t expect you to understand….but as one blogger stated, if this doesn’t reek of racial undertones, then why the ban on headphones??? What kind of negative image does wearing headphones portray??? Some of you need to get your heads out of the sand!

By MATTIE

October 20, 2005 02:05 PM | Link to this

I MUST SAY, I TEND TO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE NBA OFICIALS HAVE PUT IN PLACE REGARDING THE DRESS CODE FOR NBA PLAYERS. IT IS SOMETHING I HAVE LONG QUESTIONED SINCE THE YOUNGER PLAYERS CAME ON THE SCENE. IF I AM PAYING YOU BIG BUCKS TO GO OUT AND REPRESENT MY COMPANY, I EXPECT YOU TO DO JUST THAT. REPRESENT IN THE WAY YOU ACT, DRESS AND PRESENT YOURSELF TO THE PUBLIC. SPORTS HAS CERTAINLY LOST A LOT OVER THE YEARS AS FAR AS “TACT” KUDOS TO MR STERN!!!!

By BigDaddy

October 20, 2005 02:08 PM | Link to this

2 can play that game, if I recall correctly, the ban on headphones applies to on-court appearances, and even more specifically, to interviews and press conferences. Now, I have an ipod, as do many people, both black and white (sorry to rain on your parade, but headphones know no color). My ipod has headphones. Do I wear headphones or listen to my ipod during meetings? No. Do I allow my employees to wear headphones or listen to their ipods during meetings? Again, no. That would be both rude, disrespectful and inappropriate. How many more straws do you have at which to grasp?

By david

October 20, 2005 02:13 PM | Link to this

Most valid points made on here are by Big Daddy.

By 2 can play that game

October 20, 2005 02:17 PM | Link to this

I’m not grasping at anything…..I guess though, too, that medallions, or gaudy jewelry (which is also now banned) creates a negative image? You can’t tell me that ban in itself is not geared towards the African Americans in the league…

By Duane

October 20, 2005 02:22 PM | Link to this

One thing I can deduct from the comments, I see that people of color do have standards. No, people who dress like thugs or gangster aren’t necessarily that. However, how you dress and what you present to others can dictate your character.

By Shock 'em Shockley

October 20, 2005 02:24 PM | Link to this

So what? What right do they have to wear headphones at work? Please tell me, because your right I don’t understand. Is it racial to make Keith Van Horn wear a suit? Steve Nash? Like another blogger said…this is not a cause MLK would have marched for. Not letting someone eat at a restaurant because of color, that is racist. Making a PROFESSIONAL athlete, dress and act like a PROFESSIONAL.

By Shock 'em Shockley

October 20, 2005 02:26 PM | Link to this

is not racist.

By david

October 20, 2005 02:27 PM | Link to this

What AI and his followers fail to realize is that Mr.Iverson is free to leave the game and walk away from his salary.He can then dress in whatever manner he desires.What also accompanies this scenario is all the money,fame, and cred leaves also.Absolutely no one is interested in Citizen Iverson or his thoughts or various musings on any subject.The same also applies to Steve Nash.If they are not in the NBA,no one cares whatsoever.This is not racism but simply a business entity that has every right to make the rules that govern their product.Likewise any fans of any race are free to voice their displeasure by not supporting the product.

By Brianna

October 20, 2005 02:29 PM | Link to this

I think it shouldn,t matter how the NBA players dress. I know if I just came out of a game the fisrt thing I would want to put on is some jogging pants or even a pair of jeans. Why should I get all dressed with suit and tie after I just bust my behind on court, I know you wouldn’t. Now dont get me wrong if there is a meeting they have to go to then I say yes they should wear suit and tie, but if they are off the court and they want to wear there like you say Allen Iverson clothes then so be it. I know you dont wear suit and tie all the time neither. So all them people who are talking about them NBA players need to look at themselves before they open there mouth.

By 2 can play that game

October 20, 2005 02:32 PM | Link to this

Do you get paid for how you behave on your way to work, or once you arrive, and do what is asked of you? Their work consists of what they do on court!!!…They get drafted and traded based on what they do on court!!! Have you ever seen a game in which someone had on headphones on court? When you do, then I can see your point about the headphones and jewelry.

By BigDaddy

October 20, 2005 02:32 PM | Link to this

2 can play that game, I’ll acknowledge that medallions and gaudy jewelry are geared toward the hip-hop image, which is primarily ensconsced in the league’s black players. But if the players have such a big problem with it, here’s what they can do: the next time the collective bargaining agreement is open for negotiation, they can put the issue on the table. But I’m wondering how that conversation will go…

Players Rep: “We want to raise the league’s minimum salary, increase the maximum number of contract years, raise the overall salary cap, and allow our players to wear medallions the size of small dinner plates. We are willing to concede that said medallions be 24K gold or platinum at minimum.”

Again, the NBA, just like every other business in the world has the right to set standards for dress for their employees. If the management of the NBA feels that giant, “gaudy” (your word, not mine - which, incidentally, is defined as, ‘Showy in a tasteless or vulgar way’) medallions detract from a professional image, than they can disallow their employees to wear them. If the players don’t like it, they can address the issue via CBA negotiations, or perhaps they will find employ in the European leagues…

By Rell

October 20, 2005 02:38 PM | Link to this

if some of you would reread your comments i can feel the FEAR and vieled RACISM in some of these statements…you think that you are so smart but you are just scared, spooned feed by the media and taking this ish as truth. I have defend this very country and freedoms so you can come on here and say what you want and go home and say death to all blacks, or whatever else you like to do in your claverns…i will say this the dress code is aimed at a percieved image, i have been hip hop since 83 long before half of you SAWB even heard of run-dmc..and i go to work everyday, kiss my wife, pay my bills, and respect people that have no respect for me or my “culture”…at work i don’t follow the dress code but i am best dressed out of all my peers, even says it in my review…so please the dress does not make the employer or the man..it is what inside the cloths that makes both..and to think i was willing to die for this ish, you disgust me with your vieled racism…i would have more respect if you just say i hate black culture and it is ruining society…lest i know where you stand….don’t hide behind this dress code to say what you want

By Gerald A. Baker

October 20, 2005 02:43 PM | Link to this

Mr. Moore, Excellent article! You should be on a speaking tour with Bill Cosby. ( remember his comments about $500 sneakers ). The players in the NBA as well as other sports need to stop thinking that they are premadonnas, and return to the golden age of sports. True to some they are role models, but I was always raised to be like to other role models, my father and mother.

By Rell

October 20, 2005 02:50 PM | Link to this

Im kind of mad about the dress code because it seems to be pointed at black men in the league. But at the same time I have no problem with the dress code, I could care less if they wear head phones, baggy jeans a throwback or if they dress up in a $2000 dollar outfit… THERE PLAYING BASKETBALL… They are not sitting in a room talking about the budget at some company, or discussing how to maximize profits. They are playing a sport, yea its their job but their job is nothing like your jobs. They dont even compare. If they want to wear headphones so what! I wouldnt be walking into an office building with head phones or big earrings, but they are not walking into an office building they are walking into a gym.

Once again I dont have a problem with them wearing what they want to, i was just a little mad about how it was said. But after a little thought I really dont care. Im not going to watch basketball any less or any more. Im kind of glad white america doesnt understand my culture. Thats why it scares them when they see little Timmy wearing a $200 dollar jersey and some Phat Farm jeans. Its all just funny to me.

America didnt start putting labels on black males when hip hop hit the scene, and it started way before the first afro. And when I have a son America will find something to say about they way he wears his cloths.

By Rell

October 20, 2005 02:52 PM | Link to this

ok somebody is posting under my name…that is lame

By Crystal

October 20, 2005 02:58 PM | Link to this

It’s as simple as this. All jobs have a dress code. You dress for your job. You make millions every year you wear something nice like a suit. You work in a fast food restaurant. You wear something more fitting but it’s still a uniform. The last pro athlete I saw on television (NFL quarterback) had a full suit and tie on. It’s not too much to ask. If I wore something rediculous to work I would be sent home. Fair is fair.

By Rell

October 20, 2005 02:58 PM | Link to this

Me and the other Rell’s not the same person, but he makes a good point..

By Rell

October 20, 2005 03:01 PM | Link to this

My bad I didnt see your post until I wrote mine. But I use that name a lot also, because its short for my middle name.

By don

October 20, 2005 03:02 PM | Link to this

Why is it when young black men do something it is always looked at as a negative. Because a person wears a tee shirt or a pair of baggy jeans means he’s a thug you people are out of your minds. These are althletes they aren’t saving lives or protecting lives. If being in a suit makes you some kind of humanitarian then Jon Gotti must have been a saint he was always in suit. What about the coperate thugs at enron or world com they wore suits too and stole all of those innocent peoples money and laughed all the way to the bank. People want to run the Micheal Jordan card about how good he dressed, he was probably dressed nice when he was gambling or cheating on his wife with numerous women. What about Magic he dressed nice as well and he fornicated well too. People quit fearing what you don’t know or understand just because someone dresses a certain way doesn’t make them a certain way. Unfortunately these guys are roll models because a lot of you parents are to lazy to teach your own children right and wrong. I leave with this if the league were 80% white and the white players were dressing like Garth Brooks would this be an issue? Probably not but because they’re young black and have a lot of money somethings got to be wrong with what they do.

By John

October 20, 2005 03:10 PM | Link to this

1. NBA players are unionized laborers. Policy, especially the “to and fro” part is a change in working conditions. If Union management has allowed or permitted NBA management to engage in non-negotiated policy/procedure implementation without negotiations they should be fired.
2. If a player shows up in a suit, long overcoat, and a nice brim; could he be mimicking the “pimp” lifestyle? Coming soon the following amendments. Stern bans Cadillac’s (pimps), earrings (gay), and the colors pink, red, blue, white, purple, yellow and orange (see the above for reason why).
3. I’m a father of a 20 yr old male. I don’t like the sagging, to big, always in a baseball cap look; but I remember I once wore jeans, t-shirt, and tennis shoes on a daily basis, I also remember I once wore “Angel Flight” ugh!!!
4. If I was a player, I’d show up in a suit and tie, with a 10” cross (or Star of David; platinum and diamond encrusted of course.) and dare to be fined. Last I hear it is illegal to discriminate against a person for his religious beliefs and practices.
5. I also was a jock. I’m now a fan. The only thing that matters is winning and losing and/or any off the field behavior that impacts winning and losing. If a player needs or wants to wear headphones, house slippers or whatever to prepare him/her to perform so be it. Moore, you’re like the gossipers in the sanctuary, to busy talking about others, and forgetting what’s important. It’s a game folks, play time, and the last I hear, you don’t dress up to go play.

By Neumann

October 20, 2005 03:11 PM | Link to this

The NBA Lost me (age 29) about 6 years ago. I don’t relate to violence and disrepect, but they make millions so who cares what I think. I thought I would never say this, but great article Terence.

By Shock 'em Shockley

October 20, 2005 03:20 PM | Link to this

Yes, what I do and how I act away from work does affect how I get paid in the sense that if I do something my employer doesn’t like, he has a right to fire me. At my place of work we have a certain standard we have to adhere to at all times. Do you know why that is? Because the owner says that’s how we will conduct ourselves and he has that right because he is the boss. The great thing about the freedom we have is I have the right to go start my own company and act and do as I please. The same is true with the NBA and it’s players. Nobody is entitled to a job and as soon as you figure that out, you will see why sometimes don’t always get to do as we please. The NBA wants a more professional image, guess what? They have the RIGHT to demand their members conform to it, just as any private enterprise does.

By HayzeBlu

October 20, 2005 03:30 PM | Link to this

Good afternoon good people. Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents about the NBA Dress Code thing. We may not always agree with rules but that does change the fact that we have to live by them. The way this situation has been played out has been blown out of proportion to an extent but part of that is David Sterns method of handling it. Instead of emphasizing what could not be worn (i.e. medallions, headphones, and hats) just tell the athletes that Business Casual attire is now required for any situation where the employee (NBA player) is representing the employer (NBA). Then if someone violates the dress code, handle it on a case by cases basis.

The New York Yankees require their athletes to shave all facial hair. This was mentioned briefly in relation to the trades involving Randy Johnson and Jason Giambi. They had a choice of obiding by the rule or seeking alternative employment. Simple. And yes that is not as grand of an issue as this NBA situation but it could have been handled in a similar manner.

So to David Stern, be conscious not of what you say but of how you say it. To the NBA players, you are entitled to voice your opinions and there are some valid points to be made about how the situation was handled but let’s set a good example for your fans by handling this in a mature way. To the Fans (something I take pride in calling myself), let’s continue to enjoy the game and remember that there are more important things in life than Stern asks his employees to wear.

By Bmurph

October 20, 2005 03:33 PM | Link to this

For those making a first amendment argument that the band is unconstitutional, give me a break. When a lawyer, banker, or business person goes to work, they too must conform to certain dress codes dictated by their business’s culture. No one complains that their banker can’t strut the bling. This is not a first amendment issue but a NBA culture issue. Personally, I like the dress like a professional when working approach because I think a person is more impressive in nice clothes. Also, the comment on athletes as roll models carries a lot of weight. Better our children respect role models who dress to impress so that the kid’s own dress habit helps them get along in the world. I’m all for personal expression, but this must also be tempered by the practical reality that people are judged by what they wear.

By AH

October 20, 2005 03:39 PM | Link to this

I have seen many interesting points and arguments posted here. My opinion is as follows. There is no such thing as a right to dress the way you want. Working for an employer (which the NBA and its member teams are) means that rules of conduct associated with the job. At my job when I agreed to work here, I also submitted myself to the rules. If for some reason I do not like the rules I can find another place of employment, not work or I can start my own business. NBA players also have the same right. They can go play in another league, get another type of job where the rules do not bother them our start there own league. Although these options way not be as lucrative, the same consequences can occur if anyone decides to look for a different job. Someone mentioned that this dress code came after the fact but the case is that this was part of the new collective bargaining agreement for the players. In addition, some of the players have stipulations in their team contracts that bar them from certain off the court activities. I hear no one complaining about the right to ride a motorcycle. Secondly, I hear comments about the current style of dress as being African-American cultural, hip-hop culture, black culture and the dress code racist. I myself being a young black male that grew up NYC during the development of the hip-hop, I see this as all fads and it will change, it always changes and it will come back and change again. Urban African-American culture style of dress has such a broad range. It is not all just jerseys and doo rags. Its also suits, dress business-casual, and metropolitan. Drive by a couple of trendy night spots here in Atlanta and a lot of the young black males can show a completely different side to urban dress that will satisfy the NBA dress code. A couple of popular rappers right now probably won’t be seen in public in throwbacks and doo rags. That being said, come to your job as a professional, which means follow the rules and protocols of your employer.

By leilani

October 20, 2005 03:43 PM | Link to this

I don’t believe that “hip hop” clothing is part of African American culture, Spare millions of white people take part in hip hop culture. Besides I think it is rather degrading to reduce African American culture to a style of clothing. So needless to say no one is being robbed of there African American culture simply because they have to wear a suit. However they are being robbed of their ablity to wear what ever in the hell they please. SO long as they are fully clothed and they are wearing things with offensive comments who really cares. I can’t believe people don’t have better things to do with there time. Lastly, so what if NBA players are role models. In the whole scheme of things what does that have to do with wearing a suit. If you are teaching your child to be that superficial you ARE A BAD ROLE MODEL!

By ATLien4Life

October 20, 2005 03:49 PM | Link to this

TO ALL OF YOU WHO ARE TREATING THIS DRESS “CODE” AS SOME KIND OF WELCOMED MESSAGE TO OUR YOUTH: Go buy some Geratol and sit down and shut up. I happily wear business casual attire to work every day, but I think this league-wide code banning specific hip-hop related clothing and accessories is at the very least culturally biased, and in my opinion, truly racist. The NBA has every right to institute this silly ordinance, but I can’t stand the idea. Even “classy” players like TIM DUNCAN, who toe the league line on most issues, are saying this is a load of cr@p. and that’s exactly what it is. If Stern thinks this is going to attract more rich white men to games, he is sadly mistaken. Or maybe he isn’t. These are the same men who are comfortable buying stock in companies like Reebok, Sprite, Nike, Sony, and others that make serious money or market throught the hip-hop culture, but will cross to the other side of the street when they see a Morehouse student in a throwback jersey and some jewelry!!!!

By ATLborn

October 20, 2005 03:53 PM | Link to this

I find it funny many ppl are quoting what “Sir” Charles Barkley said on this matter, especially about the NBA players looking like clowns if they want to.

This fool once trumped to the world that he was not a role model and shouldn’t be viewed as one.

I don’t think the NBA dress code is racist, but it does have an adverse impact on black players. This league has marketed itself on hip hop for years but now wants to distance itself from that image.

The dress code won’t bring middle and upper class whites back to NBA arenas and viewership. The ppl the NBA think may have a problem with how their players dress actually have a problem with the league being majority black itself.

I don’t think the NBA’s motives are racially based, but the outside sponsors driving the policy probably have racial motives.

I’m not saying the NBA is beyond racially motivated initiatives. The age restriction was racially motivated in my opinion.

By Jazzy

October 20, 2005 03:54 PM | Link to this

To everyone wondering why people in general are using the term “thug” to describe anyone dressing in a hip hop style, it’s because the style began in the Projects with drug dealers!

In the beginning, there was rap, and the rappers were dressing like they still lived in the Projects because they wanted to make money. White kids and MTV were not playing rap so they wanted to appeal to the kids who were buying their music and those kids didn’t have any money to buy nice clothes. Up until then, kids had been trying to emulate the Michaels (Jordan and Jackson) by dressing cool or outrageous, but when rap morphed into hip hop, and for less money, it became cool to look like your local dealer (pimps have never dresssed down like that).

I wanted to look like Diana Ross or Vanessa Williams, not a 38th St. hooker. Now, I’m too old to dress like Beyonce but I would if I still could. However, Beyonce is one of the best dressed on the Planet and you don’t see her dating a thug. Jay-Z is a fashion plate if nothing else.

When my son dresses up, he acts different than when he dresses street. The argument stops there for me.

By ATLien4Life

October 20, 2005 03:54 PM | Link to this

I mean, why not go all the way and bring back the short shorts, make all black players wear 1 inch, neatly trimmed afros, all the white players use gel and part their hair on the side, and ban headbands and put everyone in some allstars??? While you’re at it, make them surgically remove all the tattoos, stop playing hip hop during timeouts, and eliminate the dunk contest.

By leilani

October 20, 2005 03:55 PM | Link to this

I am feelin’ you ATLien4Life. It is all so true. They want the money, but are afraid of the very culture they exploit!

By C

October 20, 2005 03:59 PM | Link to this

I think the dress code is cool but telling people not to wear their jewelry or how to wear it is a bit much and it is directed towards young blacks. I didn’t hear them mention anything about personal hygene. I don’t care what Steve Nash is wearing that nasty looking hair is not giving off a business like appearance.

By ATLborn

October 20, 2005 04:02 PM | Link to this

Jazzy this style didnt’ begin in the projects with drug dealers. It began in the urban areas (some projects) with the youth.

Drug dealers started buying this type of clothing in abundance after it became the style.

I have no problem with the dress code for the most part, but I do find fault with them not allowing the players to wear jewelry and headphones.

I could care less if the NBA adopts a dress code or not, but it just seems crazy to target small stuff like chains. If the players are not gonna come to the arenas wearing chains like Mr. T, then it should be alright.

By Tre

October 20, 2005 04:04 PM | Link to this

Street thugs, corner pimps??? Who’s to say, that because these men are wearing sweats & jerseys they are criminals? Look how racist our society is. All of these derogatory remarks on people who want to express themselves or even better just be comfortable. These men are just getting finished running up & down a court. What’s wrong with wanting to throw on some sweats, t-shirt, & some flip flops? Come on now, after I jog a mile I don’t want to throw on an Armani suite immediately afterwards. To take these men freedom of wearing what they want just to make the “league� look good is ridiculous. Clothes don’t shoot, rob, or rape people… People shoot, rob, & rape people. Heck look at Kobe. He wears suits all the time & yet stood accused of raping a young woman. I agree completely with what L.Bell wrote, look at the Mafia… Some of the best dressers out there but were “thugs�.

By ATLien4Life

October 20, 2005 04:05 PM | Link to this

Appreciate cha, leilani. I personally love the NBA, always have, always will, but STERN seems to think that putting them in suits will make fans forget that no one in the league can pass or shoot anymore. Oh, and BTW, what do you think of this: you put a “thug” in a suit, you know what you get? THE MAFIA!

By Otis Nixon

October 20, 2005 04:07 PM | Link to this

ATLien4life- That’s a real original name, did you get the trademark rights from Outkast for that? I guess ignorance must truly be bliss. You are blowing this way out of proportion and your invalid . Do the natives of Atlanta a favor and quit “claiming” this city as yours “4” life.

By Beth

October 20, 2005 04:10 PM | Link to this

I have never had a job where there was not a dress code. I have to wear a suit to work every day. Sure, I would love to wear jeans and a t-shirts with flip-flops! I get paid to do a job and there are certain rules I have to live by or else I will not have a job. If the NBA players do not want to play by the rules, then find another job!

By ATLien4Life

October 20, 2005 04:11 PM | Link to this

Hey “Otis”, get a life. You’ve got some nerve talking to me about trademarks. For your low-class information, I AM one of the few, proud, Atlanta natives! Born and raised.

It’s too bad you don’t have an intelligent enough viewpoint that all you can do is make fun of my screenname.

By leilani

October 20, 2005 04:12 PM | Link to this

So true on the Mafia thing. Bottom line I am business casual M-F 9-5. It sucks, and it does not make me a good person. Likewise the fact that I wear jeans and tims when I get off does not mean I don’t have a good job and an education (by the way I am also not a drug dealer). I do however like to be comfortable and who’s to say how I should do that. To sum it up most of the old white elite in the NBA would aprove of me and if I never had to wear another pair of slacks it would be too soon.

By ATLien4Life

October 20, 2005 04:16 PM | Link to this

Since your cognitive skills are obviously below average, I’ll simplify my statement for you: I never questioned the Rights of the NBA to impose this dress code, I simply stated my opinion as to their motivations and reasons behind this silly rule.

By ATLien4Life

October 20, 2005 04:23 PM | Link to this

Besides, “Otis”, how am I blowing this out of proportion? You see a lot more of NBA players on the court than off; that’s their workplace. Do you really think, if chains, sneaks, and throwbacks don’t fit their so-called professional image, that cornrows and tattoos all over their arms, fully exposed for the whole 3 hours of the games do?????

By ATLien4Life

October 20, 2005 04:29 PM | Link to this

To JAZZY: You make some valid points, but I would offer this about your son; that the difference in his overall behavior when he’s dressed up vs street has a lot more to do with the occasion than the clothes. The players that are professional and articulate in post-game interviews are going to be so regardless of attire, as will those that aren’t. Does anyone seriously think ‘Sheed or AI aren’t gonna be crazy just because they are in some Armani??

By leilani

October 20, 2005 04:32 PM | Link to this

So true! Your attitude is your attitude, no matter what you have on. If you lack good sense they could wrap you in pages from the Bible and I doubt it would make a difference.

By ATLborn

October 20, 2005 04:33 PM | Link to this

I just hate to see this much fight going on over a dress code. If I were an NBA player I’d make a mockery out of it. As soon as the season starts I’d dress in a loud pink suit with fur on the edges, powder blue shirt with gold buttons and a fly away collar, and some hot pink gators with elevated glass soles with gold fish in ‘em.

This would be in compliance with the dress code because it would be a shirt with a collar, slacks, shoes and no jewelry.

By Otis Nixon

October 20, 2005 04:42 PM | Link to this

Leilani-are you insinuating that these guys, “‘Sheed” (I feel so cool calling him that) and Al lack good sense and a nice suit wouldn’t at least make them appear professional? You make a good point, Alien, in that the league should look into a ban on tattoos. There is no racial motivation behind this rule and to say otherwise, simply displays a lack of grip on reality. Does your significant other constantly accuse you of reading into things too much, because that is all you seem to be doing in this case. Even Terrence, who occasionally is accused of race-baiting, sees how this is meant to be a positive thing for all parties involved.

By leilani

October 20, 2005 04:48 PM | Link to this

I was not referring to those men specifically. I was just saying that clothes are not going to change anything important. If someone were to rob and kill you would you give a damn that they “appeared professional”? The point is that it does not matter. They wear a uniform on the court, off the court they should be able to wear whatever they want. This has nothing to do with race, but it is stupid nonetheless.

By A FAN

October 20, 2005 04:49 PM | Link to this

I think that this dress thing is a good idea. I think that basketball stars should dress accordingly. When they come to work if it’s on the side lines, that is considered work and they shouold dress as young business men. This is your job and you should want to represent your job in the right light. Besides I think these guys would really look good in these types of clothes. You don’t want to wear a full suit then don’t that’s why you have so many options. Where a nice pair of jeans and a button down as Jay-Z says. That’s sombebody who really dresses nice. You want to model yourself after hip-hop okay, there’s Jay-Z and there’s Puffy . Things are changing,people are changing. GROW UP and get with the program. I’m really tired of seeing the pants hanging off the butt and doo-rags, gold chains down to their knees. I want to see some nice looking young men that are going to be a good role model for my child. (eventhought his father is his role model.) I just want to say Bravo to Mr. Stern

By leilani

October 20, 2005 04:51 PM | Link to this

UM, last time I checked they were not young business men, they were young basketball players.

By ATLborn

October 20, 2005 04:56 PM | Link to this

I don’t see how wearing a suit is “dressing appropriately” for an NBA player. They can’t play in them.

Many folks say that they have a dress code on their job, that’s true but I’m pretty sure no one cares what they wear to work, so long as they wear appropriate clothing in the office.

Going by what some of these folks say, then some folks would be in trouble if they changed into exercise at the job to work out at lunch.

By david

October 20, 2005 04:58 PM | Link to this

It doesn’t matter whether various people see “racism” in this policy or not,I suspect 98%of minds are made up on this issue.The bottom line though is that the NBA has the right to enact this policy for their players.If any player regardless of race or any fan regardless of race is upset about this policy you have that right also.Simple solution WALK AWAY FROM THE GAME.Let’s see how many players have the courage of their convictions to do this?The answer ZERO.Fans of any race if you are appalled by this policy don’t support the NBA with purchasing of tickets,merchaindise,or viewing of the games.Support the game at the neighborhood rec.Better yet start your own league and make whatever rules you and other like minded people see as equitable and supprt this endeavor to its fullest.

By CDogg

October 20, 2005 05:00 PM | Link to this

First of all, does anyone remember this being an issue before Stern announced the changes this week? I sure don’t. Where was all of this outcry before now?

For those who have not noticed, this hip-hop dress culture - including rap music - has been embraced by Mainstream America for years. So, it cuts across all racial lines. This is not exclusive of just one group.

I don’t have a problem with the employer telling the employee what to wear to work. However, unike the players, I will still be able to wear whatever I want on my own time.

By 2 can play that game

October 20, 2005 05:01 PM | Link to this

young business men!!!! GMAFB!

By leilani

October 20, 2005 05:01 PM | Link to this

Finally someone gives real advice and doesn’t just spread useless rhetoric.

By david

October 20, 2005 05:04 PM | Link to this

C Dogg you must have not gotten the memo,Players are free to wear whatever they desire while away from the job.

By ATLien4Life

October 20, 2005 05:05 PM | Link to this

“Otis”, good point. However, my question to you is this; do other people in this country dress like these players are currently? yes. What percentage of those people happen to be Young Black Males? quite a bit. Who does Stern believe is most alienated by their “unprofessional” attire? Upper middle class white men, who can best afford season tickets and luxury booths.
Are you going to tell me that this rule is meant to better attract the 18-25 demographic?

By david

October 20, 2005 05:09 PM | Link to this

C Dogg you are also right about this not being racial,these rules apply to all players.You also correctly point out that the hip-hop culture didn’t explode until middle-class white kids embraced it.

By Stan

October 20, 2005 05:14 PM | Link to this

2canplaythatgame: actually, last year Vince Carter was told to remove headphones on the court. So there goes that argument.

By david

October 20, 2005 05:14 PM | Link to this

People you are still missing the point,If Stern is wrong and this causes TV and ad revenue to plumment and doesn’t help the game,then he will be replaced for a failed business decision.Businee decision-pure and simple,Time will tell,but I don’t believe this edict will cause the league any demographic group they are after.

By ATLien4Life

October 20, 2005 05:17 PM | Link to this

THANK YOU, DAVID!!!

By PK

October 20, 2005 05:22 PM | Link to this

Did I miss something in this announcement that said that this new dress code was only for Black Players ? Can the White players still wear jeans and t-shirts ?

By ATLien4Life

October 20, 2005 05:34 PM | Link to this

PK, no one is saying that this code is just for black players. However, the “image” that they are trying to get away from through this dress code is most associated with young black men. It’s not culturally biased against the players, since white players look sloppy too, but against the “culture” those clothes seem to represent in the eyes of many, including our distinguished bloggers.

By ATLien4Life

October 20, 2005 05:36 PM | Link to this

Leilani, here’s another one for you: What do you think are the odds that the same people here saying that these men are ‘professionals’ and should act “business” like through their clothing, are the same people that say players should feel lucky that they get to play a “game” when the players talk business at the bargaining table???

By 1st Amendment

October 20, 2005 05:56 PM | Link to this

Why is it that so many think this is a first amendment issue ? The first amendment protects the citizenry from GOVERNMNENTAL censorship and intrusion with whom the individual citizens wish to associate.

It is the NBA setting a dress code, not the US Government. It is no different than Coca-Cola or BellSouth setting guidlines for its employees.

Some of you who are so quick to play the race card would be better served by LEARNING what the government can & can’t do and what corporations can and can’t do. Perhaps then you wouldn’t sound so much like the little boy who cried wolf.

By Russell Mondy

October 20, 2005 06:09 PM | Link to this

The NBA has chosen to define their player’s values “for them” based on it’s own concepts of what is appropriate. How they dress is really none of Terence’s or the NBA’s business. They play a sport. Their uniform consists of shorts and jerseys. The rest is irrelevant. Should they care how he wears his clothing when he’s not working? The values that the NBA is teaching is that what is on the surface (as defined by the infallible American business community) is more important that what’s on the inside. This is why prettier people do better than those who are considered unattractive. It’s shallow to dictate a dress code that forces conformity for no good reason.

By ATLien4Life

October 20, 2005 06:28 PM | Link to this

Mr. Mondy, I tip my hat to you, sir.

By Chris

October 20, 2005 06:49 PM | Link to this

I agree with the NBA’s new dress code, but I’m extremely disappointed at how you put the entire weight of this issue on Allen Iverson. Don’t fall into the same routine as your colleagues who attempt to assassinate his character every time they get the opportunity. Just because Iverson won’t conform to what the NBA and the media want him to conform to as a person, doesn’t make him a bad guy. You and other people in the media are constantly making comparisons to his character vs. Jordan’s. What you all fail to remember is that Jordan was raised in a middle class home with both parents. Iverson was raised by a single mother in the hood. Give the man a break!!! We need more Iverson’s and Jordan’s in the league. The Iverson’s of the world give unprivileged children hope that they can rise above anything and make it in America. The Jordan’s of the world speak for themselves; however there is without a doubt a need for both.

By john

October 20, 2005 06:50 PM | Link to this

When Iverson leaves his home to take the 8 hour chartered flight to L.A. is he attending a team/NBA sponsored event? When he arrives and takes the team bus to the hotel is he attending a team/NBA sponsored event. When he takes his per diem and goes to dinner is he attending a team/NBA sponsored event. What about when he leaves home for practice, is he attending a team/NBA sponsored event? Shoot arounds? How about the player not selected for the All Star event, they are clearly attending a NBA sponored event, but they are on their own time and dime so does the policy pertain to them? They are after all NBA players still. If after the jet arrives, and the player is going to see his agent before going to the hotel, does that mean the policy doesn’t apply to him at the time the jet arrives so he doesn’t have to dress as the policy dictates? Does injury exclude the player from conforming with the policy? Say a bruise shoulder requiring a bag of ice. Or a thigh bruise that requires electrical stimulation, best facilitated by wearing sweats. These issues and more would trouble me if I was a player, and if I was a member of a union. If my union permitted management to impose policy without having to discuss parameters and limits I would vote to terminate them and/or disband. NBA players should consider their unions role in how this policy came about and respond accordingly.

By John

October 20, 2005 07:07 PM | Link to this

One more comment, brought on by the lucky 350 million dollar lottery winner. Isn’t it ironic that NBA players have dedicated hours upon days upon weeks upon months and years to achieve a level of skill and expertise to make them wealthy so that they would not to act or behave as we bankers, carpenters, sales men, and other ordinary uniformed laborors. I can truly see in the minds eye the blood sweat as the dedicated themselves not to be like their peers, working at fast food joint with their colorful uniforms. And yet, they now have to not only wear a uniform as they perform their paid task (jersey and shorts) they have to wear uniform of the labor masses “professional business attire”. HA Ha Ha. Bet they never thought that being wealthy meant you have to comform more than if they had remained poor.

By david

October 20, 2005 08:37 PM | Link to this

John then let the NBA players go back to the poor life and they can dress any way they desire.It’s not race it’s business,it can be debated Good or Bad business decision? Time will tell.Any player that doesn’t want to adhere to this code is free to walk away and pursue another line of work or simply retire.

By Shock 'em Shockley

October 21, 2005 08:16 AM | Link to this

It amazes me that so many people post here thinking they have some original thought, while they are merely just reiterating what has already been said. Let me save you the exercise in futility- go back and read what others have said, either elaborating on a thought or coming up with a new one. John: Unions are the downfall of American business, much like people who depend on the government for everything.

By AH

October 21, 2005 10:33 AM | Link to this

Third point. The dress code is for when players are on NBA business. It does not limit them on what to wear when they go to the store to buy milk.

By Angela

October 21, 2005 11:36 AM | Link to this

I have to admit you put the pen to the paper in this article. I salute you my cousin.

By Greg B

October 21, 2005 11:40 AM | Link to this

It is obvious the NBA has the right implement a dress code. But should they. I am really conflicted about this becuase it bothers me that I am being forced to view myself and my peers in a negative light. If I thought for a minute that people would percieve Allen Iverson dressed in a suit as an upstanding citizen and accept him for the person that he is when he is dressed in hip-hop fashion as well, I would not have a problem with the dress code. But sadly, this is not the case. Frankly, I am tired of being made to feel less than for parts of my culture. Especially when that same hip hop culture produces billions of dollars in revenue. Do I think some players dress in an unsuitable fashion sometimes? Yes. But unsuitable to whom and why?. I have bought into this self-hate and I can’t seem to work around it. So you know what, the players should draw a line in the sand. Yes they are professionals, but they are also young black men who are not thugs and should not be made to feel that they are, becuase a segment of the population attributes their attire to thugs. I am not saying this because I think this is the perfect scenario for a culture war becuase when you have a team, a sense of uniformity is a good thing, but young African American men need to start standing up for themselves in a conventional forum. Because of the media attention people will be forced to listen to this problem of false perceptions and self-hate. But more than likely the media will turn this into a class issue about spoiled athletes becuase it is easy to get ratings and steers away from issues America is still not ready to deal with.

By Bob

October 21, 2005 11:41 AM | Link to this

All I know is that Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen both in Armani commanded a lot more all around respect from the “masses” than Alan Iverson and Michael Vick do dressed like your basic 15 year olds.

By Chris

October 21, 2005 12:25 PM | Link to this

The thing that I enjoy most about this decision by the NBA is the fact that they have mentioned “corporate” and they are a “corporation” to justify their “corporate dress code”. I personally do not care what a professional athlete wears anytime besides the time they are on they are on their respective playing fields. But I do look forward to the next time an NBA franchise seeks public financing for an arena and they try to make the tax payers forget that they are a “corporation” and we are told that they are integral parts of the community and not just a “corporation”. I look forward to the exciting changes that will be occurring in America’s youth after this “corporate” dress code change at NBA INC. Mr Moore please keep us informed.

By ATLien4Life

October 21, 2005 01:09 PM | Link to this

I sincerely hope some media outlet with some guts does a survey see how many of the people who see the NBA as a “league of thugs” now end up seeing them differently after a year of playing dress up. My bet is it will be nil.

By ATLien4Life

October 21, 2005 01:33 PM | Link to this

Mr. Moore: Hopefully you’ll read this before you write your next asinine column. Those examples you claim Stern wants? Larry was an arrogant, insufferable jerk, as was Isaiah. Magic contracted the AIDS virus because he was basically a male s l u t, and His Airness was basically another lying, cheating, gambling lowlife like most professional athletes and wealthy people are behind closed doors. But oh, no! You have to “cringe” every time you walk into a locker room; maybe you shouldn’t be there. Why don’t you best stay home, and play some 45’s on your record player?

By Peter

October 21, 2005 02:07 PM | Link to this

John Gotti was the “dapper Don” Frank Sinatra and JFK himself had ties to Italian and Irish organized crime. Movies , books and endless articles are produced about these men, most of them simpathetic.

Yet the African American NBA player who dresses up in a hip hop style which makes billions for companies not controlled by any black person, is a thug, crook or criminal.

How’d all of the guys at Enron dress. When’s the last time an NBA player stole your pension fund???

By ATLien4Life

October 21, 2005 02:09 PM | Link to this

Peter, welcome to the team. I think we have an MVP candidate.

By ATLien4Life

October 21, 2005 02:14 PM | Link to this

Hey, America, look on the bright side! At least the NBA players won’t look so out of place when they’re in the hotel lobby picking out their groupies for the night.

By Mary Blanchard

October 21, 2005 02:25 PM | Link to this

Thank you for you insightful remarks. If you dress professionally you will act professionally. If you dress like a thugh you will act like a thug. I think that is the reason schools are having so many behavioral problems these days - kids wanting to look like their favorite sports figure/rapper and acting like a thug. I see it everyday as I am a middle school teacher. One thing I have noticed is that when the male students dress up they don’t sag. Case closed.

By ATLien4Life

October 21, 2005 02:53 PM | Link to this

Case closed, Mary??? Why don’t you ask your counterparts about the behavior of their uniformed rich students that get away with everything because of their “image”?

By ATLien4Life

October 21, 2005 02:58 PM | Link to this

And Mary, you say your a middle school teacher, right? That means you should have a masters. In five plus years of school, you actually came away thinking that “if you dress professionally, you will act professionally”? Are you serious? See: Enron comment above, executives committing adultery with coworkers, the MAFIA - again, and Georgia’s former education secretary. She’s in jail now, right????

By BigDaddy

October 21, 2005 04:06 PM | Link to this

I’ll wade back into this fray…

Okay, for all of you who are citing the Mafia as an example of suit-wearing thugs, let’s take a step back and examine your argument for a second.

When any of you see someone, black or white, dressed in a suit, is the first thing you think: ooooh! they must be in the Mafia! Or, look out! They used to work for Enron! No, that would be rather stupid and thus the association has no validity.

However, when you see someone macked out in bling, dressed like the drug dealers I drive past everyday on Auburn Ave, what association do you have? Here’s the difference: white collar criminals attempt to dress like upstanding citizens (ie, in suits) to legitimate their enterprises; the hip-hop style, on the other hand, is predicated on erstwhile upstanding citizens dressing like they still live on the street. To what end? To “keep it real?” The question is: why would anyone willingly choose to dress like the lowest common denominator?

By Rod

October 21, 2005 04:08 PM | Link to this

I’m glad there is a dress code, although i like hip hop. I do believe it sometimes glorifise a negative life style like hustling, pimpin, and being a thug. I was raised in that atmosphere, but when I came up (In the late 80s)we played ball to get out of that life! These kids now don’t have a clue, I’ve seen kids walk into mcdonalds looking like a thug, in there latest hip hop gear and ask for a application only to be told were not hiring. I want to tell them if you didn’t look like you might rob the place you might get a job! My point is not everyone is blessed to make millions, young people look up to NBA player as way out. They need to stop think about that and act more responsible, thats keepin it real!

By David Rosa II

October 21, 2005 04:23 PM | Link to this

As a high school history teacher in an urban school district in New Jersey, we had a great discussion about this topic in my class. Even though most of my students would like to retain individual style in the way they dress, they do realize that they are part of something bigger than themselves, which is the team they play on and the league they are in. The students also made the point the NBA is a business and business dress while working for the NBA should be a part of that. It would be different if they were self employed but they work for the NBA, os they need to obey the rules of the organization they work for. I often poke fun at the NFL as being the No Fun League for the way they deal with uniformity, but I also think it is the reason they are the number 1 sport in America and one of the best run businesses in America. The NBA (just like NASCAR, MLB, NHL) is trying to become more like the NFL because that business model is one of success, and if that means the NBA needs a dress code then that is something the players need to respect.

About this being a racial issue, contrary to the opinion of scholars like Stephen Jackson and Michael Vick, I do not see this as an issue at all. It is an issue of uniformity. As long as the rules are applied for all within the NBA, race should not be an issue.

When I ran track and field for Fordham University, my team and the university had rules which were respected and followed by all members of the team. Does this make me “old school” or a racist? No, players can do whatever they want in their free time as I did while a college athlete. Players can express their individualism in many other ways or even “bling” themselves in many other ways as well. Driving that brand new Escalade or Mercedes to the arena and living in a beautiful home is “bling” enough. I just want the people of America to know this is not discrimination of any kind, just respect for your team, league, and most importantly yourself.

By BigDaddy

October 21, 2005 04:27 PM | Link to this

David Rosa II, I applaud your rationale, sir!

By ATLien4Life

October 21, 2005 04:41 PM | Link to this

BidDaddy and David Rosa II, you both make some solid points regarding the basic virtues of dressing AND ACTING professionally. However, that is where the argument lies for me. This code is an extremely hypocritical attempt at a bandaid. Let’s see, the NBA thinks it’s good to make money from the license fees from the throwback jerseys, they think it’s ok to market to that segment, young black males, like they do, and think it’s perfectly ok for hip-hop artists such as Jay-Z and Nelly, who’s money stems from years of glorifying the very image the NBA wants to stamp out, and even worse, who LIVED the lifestyle that those clothes supposedly portray. In addition, hip hop music blares through the PA system at all arenas. But a do-rag and some bling are “unprofessional”??? This code does nothing to address the conduct of these players, and that is the REAL reason the NBA has such an “Image” problem. The message is: play the game, but don’t be who you are.
Ludicrous and Pathetic.

By BigDaddy

October 21, 2005 04:57 PM | Link to this

ATLien4Life, I do agree with you to a point. The NBA has been very actively marketed to hip-hop culture. Now, I’m no sociologist, but let’s take a W.A.G. at what percentage of the US identifies themselves with hip-hop. Five percent? Less? Just judging from the posts on this blog from self-identified black men, half of them are supportive of the dress code. Granted that’s just anecdotal evidence, so let’s throw in a few percentage points for other races who identify closely with hip-hop. What does that potentially bring us to? Seven percent? Eight?

The dress code is just part of a re-branding effort on the part of the NBA, because it has been steadily losing television viewers - the next time the TV contracts come up for renewal, the NBA will be hard pressed to negotiate deals as lucrative as what they currently have, if not losing net television revenue.

I do agree with you that you can put a pig in a dress and make-up and take her out on the town - but in the end, it’s still a pig. (Or rather, you can put a pig in a suit and watch him dunk basketballs, but in the end he’s still a pig). So, no, I wouldn’t expect a suit to change a man’s character, but it can help to rehabilitate a brand image. But this is far from being the NBA’s biggest problem.

The NBA has real problems that are more associated with game play than they have problems with fellas sitting on the bench dressed like they just walked off the set of Boyz n the Hood. The NBA will continue to lose viewers as long as players can’t hit a mid-range jump shot. Or box out. Or set a pick. Or play anything resembling defense. Or pass. Etc, etc, so on and so on.

By John

October 21, 2005 05:25 PM | Link to this

Shock (and awe???) Prelude :( digression) Regurgitation. Method by which one teaches one about subject one was taught. Rebuttal: (more digression) Regurgitating, thru admittedly non-original headlines in my mind: Exxon, Google, Coke and Pepsi record profits, economist report record growth. S & L bailout, Congress passes law to help Big Oil, Insurers, Gun manufactures etc. Destruction of American economy eminent!!! Back on point with an Ali moment. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, opening night player wears jeans and a tee. Stern is livid, looks like he’ll blow his cool. Pundits, anticipating fines, and suspensions began to drool. Fan and others smirk, this gonna cost you a mint. Player smiles and winks, our relationship is covered by the collective bargaining agreement. Arbitrator is called and asked, determine if Stern was right is your task. Sterm says yes, but the Arbitrator says nyet, the issue is did you negotiate. Somewhere birds are singing and children are playing, there is plenty of work cause the bosses are paying. But there is sadness in NBAville cause Stern, the mighty Stern has stuck out.

Post script: (Note to self. While verbal jousting and o-pine-ing (Yup that’s what he said) is fun, must stay away from this string for a few days, withdraw. Yes characterizing young wealthy black men as “thugs” and “gangsta” is akin to all the other racist stereotyping of African-Americans, but this is America, it is not unusual; and remember John, you ARE NOT the defender of the race, God is. So let it go, k John, let it go.)

By Samuel

October 21, 2005 05:42 PM | Link to this

This is a very interesting topic. Initially, when I saw the article written by Mr. Moore and the responses, I immediately became emotional and wanted to respond right away.

I’m glad I waited as I have been encouraged by the responses so far.

I must say that I am dissappointed that Mr. Moore, the man that just weeks ago basically acused fans of being “racists” for wearing David Greene jerseys.

I think that was a total “SELLOUT” statement, that anyone that wears a certain style is a “thug”.

My son’s sometimes dress in the hip hop style and they are not thugs. One is in college making damn good grades and the other is well on his way. They understand that yes they will be “judged” by people like Mr. Moore, David Stern and Millions of others, so they must be “that much better” in order to prove the ignorant wrong.

David Stern,of all people should be very sensitive to this issue.

I’m gonna be “real” with yall. The first impression I get when I see him is: IS HE “GAY”? Why because he looks feminine, talks feminine, and I never see him with any women. I know I’m not the only one who has ever noticed this.

But hey, I gotta give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise, right.

Now, does that make all little short “puggy” white men in suites “GAY”, surely not.

“Keeping it Real”, I do believe there should be “some” restrictions on what a player can and cannot wear, but the problem I have is who is to say what is “acceptable” and “business like”. Why should Davis Stern make that determination himself.

To me the NBA players are “Entertainers” and last time I noticed. Many entertainers dress in this manner.

Every thing else in the NBA is negotiated, voted on, and approved by Management and the Players Union. Why was this one “forced” into law?

By david

October 21, 2005 08:27 PM | Link to this

The players union agreed to this without one word of dissent because trying to defend this as having the right to dress any way you desire while on someone else’s dime is absolute foolishness.Despite what the blogs reflect here several people vocalizing the same tired old “race card” arguments over and over to no avail.This is not about race.It’s business and whether the NBA can do this.THEY CAN.END OF STORY!

By breaking news

October 21, 2005 10:10 PM | Link to this

NBA DRESS CODE-To simplify things the commissioner has divided “business casual” into a players four most popular social settings-ARREST,ARRAIGNMENT,TRIAL and SENTENCING.

By DOREEN

October 22, 2005 01:11 AM | Link to this

Kudos to the NBA for doing what the NFL has been doing for awhile. I don’t think it will kill anyone to wear a suit and look professional for a couple of hours. I still think clothes makes a man. Maybe, just maybe if the players would put on a suit they might start acting like business men instead of hoodlums (some, not all). Like someone else said, if they don’t want to follow the rules, get your own gig then you can dress up, dress down or undress if you like. Quite frankly, I’m tired of the baggy, hoodlum look. That has to go down in history as being the longest fad ever.

By ryan

October 22, 2005 06:53 AM | Link to this

I never thought I woudl EVER be defending anything Terrance moore said about anythign remotely involving race, given his general prediliction to drop the race card if someoen sneezes in the wrong direction but. .he’s absolutely right.

As far as those of you who have the huge racial chip on your shoulder, and want to make instituting a dress code a ‘rtacial’ thing. .get over yourselves. You cater to your audience, or your potential audience. Not the minority of your audience, and the majority of the audience doesn’t like the ‘thug’ look. Are you saying being black is entirely an image thing, and that you can’t be black unless you dress like that? Is their self image THAT shallow that it can’t survive dress casual?

And as for the person and or persons mentioning the ‘first ammendment” David Stern is neither a member of the US government, nor is hip - hop gear political speech, so it really doesn’t apply. Are you goign to try to say that your employer is racist if he doesn’t let you show up to work like that?

If you constantly view everythign as a matter of victimhood, you will ALWAS be a victim. Try viewing things through the lens of real life every once in a while rather than through race - colored glasses> NOt everything is about race.

By Samuel

October 22, 2005 10:24 AM | Link to this

You guys can say all you want about this not being a race issue but in reality, you know it is.

The whole “thug” language is entirely racial and yall know it. I’m sittin here looking at a group of white children in the AJC on a full page ad.(pA4). How would you describe their look. One has a bandanna the other a skull cap. Do they look thuggish? or Cute.

Again, I do believe that their should be limits but to single a certain style out because a certain generation doesn’t like it is wrong.

Actually, the more you look at this issue the more I believe it is “jelousy” as much as racial. People hate the fact that these young Black Men are millionairs. Then the fact that they are “playing” Basketball makes it even worse. You guys want to put some type of “contol” on them. Mayby that will make you feel better as you go to your “JOBS” everyday and are forced to wear your coat and ties, triangle hats, pointed toe shoes or whateve else.

I would be willing to bet that the majority of the people who are speaking out in favor of this dress code hardly ever watches NBA Basketball. The “real fans” could care less what the Athletes wear, and that’s a fact.

By david

October 22, 2005 10:52 AM | Link to this

Samuel,get over yourself the point is that the NBA can enact this policy,it doesn’t matter whether you see race in it or not.Talking about kids on the front page of the AJC has nothing to do with it.All the race arguments are irrelevant to this subject,it’s not about race but about business.It matters not whether your sensibilities or mine are offended or if anyone else’s are uplifted over this edict.I am a NBA fan,I have the DirecTV package and even try to get down to the ATL 3 or 4 times a season to watch the Hawks from over 200 miles away.I think anyone who watches the Hawks regularly deserves some creedence.The 1 and ONLY question is ? Can the NBA do this do they have the legal right? YES!IF Allen Iverson or Steve Nash are distraught over this policy they can walk away from the game.Same for you or myself.If anyone is that offended over a business decision,then simply have nothing to do with the NBA.IT’S NOT RACE no matter how hard you try to make it seem that it is.

By Joe Roman

October 22, 2005 11:51 AM | Link to this

Way to go, Terence! The idea of a bunch of zillionaires dressed as low-level street hustlers is beyond stupid. If NBA players think baggy t-shirts, baggy jeans and bling gives them “street cred”, they are even dumber than I think they are. I didn’t know that was possible. Now, if NBA officials would actually officiate by the rules, I might even begin to think professional basketball is actually not the same as professional “wrestling”.

By Joe Roman

October 22, 2005 12:29 PM | Link to this

Here’s a little does of reality for those opposing the idea of dress codes. While racism plays a part in the greater numbers of black men busted than white, there is another factor. BLACK THUGS ARE SO OBVIOUS!!! White people know how not to get caught. They don’t dress in ways that might as well include a neon sign saying “I am a dope dealer”. They ply their trade BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. THEY DON’T RUB THEIR NEIGHBOR’S NOSES IN IT WHICH DEPRESSES THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEIGHBORS, ATTRACTS THE POLICE AND MAKES ALL YOUNG BLACK MEN LOOK BAD. How sadly ironic that a people who invented cool now suffer because so many in their ranks have no idea how to BE cool? THE BEST WAY TO AVOID BEING STEREOTYPED IS TO STOP BEHAVING LIKE A STEREOTYPE.

By Samuel

October 22, 2005 01:32 PM | Link to this

Hey Joe,

Tell us something we didn’t know. Whites have never fooled anyone about their “thuggary”.

Yes David, the owners and Management can “try” to enact this policy. It remains to be seen wheather it will stick, however. Some pretty big “PLAYAZ” are speaking out, including the “Big Fundamental”, All American, squeaky-clean himself, Tim Duncan.

I believe the league’s hand will be “called” on this issue. Then what. When players openly defy policy. How will that look. Suspend Tim Duncan, AI, Please. Then we’ll see what happens to those fans who paid $100 bucks only to be dissappointed.

Time will tell.

By Samuel

October 22, 2005 02:19 PM | Link to this

I keep hearing and seeing people post and talk about how the NBA is loosing fans. That’s the biggest bunch of BULLSH-T I have heard in a long time.

Basketball is “THE” fastest growing sport in the World. Anyone who disputes that, is only kidding themselves and the number one reason for this is Hip Hop. Just as Hip Hop is the fastest growing style of music in the World. Dispite all your futile attempts to stop it.

Now football and hockey and on the other hand. Now you’re talking about some thugs. After all that’s the nature of the game. Funny, I don’t hear that language though.

I guarantee that many of you hypocrites who are raging on these boards that if we check out your children: they got Jerseys, Sean John, FUBU, Mike Jones, Ying Yang and everything else in “YO HOUSE”. And if they don’t they listen and wear it when you’re not around.

By david

October 22, 2005 02:57 PM | Link to this

Samuel you seem articulate and well spoken,lt’s hard to understand how you miss the point.This policy was agreed to in collective bargaining and whether Tim Duncan,AI or a star white player such as Steve Nash (who is not exactly a coat and tie man himself )speak out, nor does it matter if the hip-hop community speaks out in whole against this ,their opinion much like yours or mine are irrelevant.You are also right about children and their taste and habits,but your kids or mine when told how to dress on company time will either adhere to the policy or walk away in some form.Let’s see how many players have the courage of their convictions and choose not to play or be paid over this.This is much ado about absolutely nothing.Samuel in short your opinion,my opinion,the hip-hop communities opinion the local John Birch Society opinion are all held in the same regard.The suits that run the NBA have correctly calculated that the league will continue to prosper without the people whining about this edict.

By Samuel

October 22, 2005 03:57 PM | Link to this

Are you so sure that they have “calculated” right.

David, I have been trying to find the dress code issue in the new CBA. I thought I had it downloaded but I guess I don’t. Could you or anyone please tell me where it is listed in the 2005 agreement. I would surely appreciate it.

By Joe Roman

October 22, 2005 04:32 PM | Link to this

With all due respect Samuel, who ressurected the term ‘thug’? It wasn’t white people, but sometimes I wonder. From a lot of what I’ve seen in the last twenty years, it looks as if many young black men and recently women too are bending over backwards to give credence to the stereotypes envisioned by the the nastiest white racists. e.g. Allen Iverson makes Buckwheat in the Our Gang comedies of the 20s and 30s look like Malcolm X. I’d love to hear your response to that.

By Peter

October 22, 2005 04:54 PM | Link to this

This isn’t a part of the CBA, why would the players have accepted it???

For a lot of African Americans we’re already wearing the suit that matters. Some of my clients are rappers. If the Rangers are playing and we go into one of the locker rooms the young players go wild. It’s black kids constantly innovating in hip hop but who’s doing the driving.

It’s about control. Can’t make your kid ignore the image…then change the image.

I’m from TMoore’s generation and he won’t say it but proper speech, dress, attitude etc. was part of the process to “uplift the race” The young guys know that even in the Armani suits you’re going to get crapped on the same.

The current Thrashers aren’t “thugs” ?? You want your kids emulating them???

How often during the day are you reminded of your race? Until you know what that’s like you’ll NEVER get it.

By Samuel

October 22, 2005 05:52 PM | Link to this

Respond to what Joe?

Buckwheat didn’t seem too radical to me, how does AI make him look like Malcolm? Buckwheat sold out. You guys loved Buckwheat. AI makes you guys “CRINGE” and wish he were dead.

Thank you Peter. People think they can tell a lie and no one checks out their story.

From what I can see, this was a “MEMO” sent down by David Stern. I don’t think it will fly. We’ll see.

By david

October 22, 2005 06:08 PM | Link to this

Samuel,I read the info from the New York Post-NBA writer Peter Vescey.I haven’t actually read the CBA.I’ve always found his info to be credible.I’ll see what I can find.Just my opinion but I feel that the players association would already be screaming “bloody murder” if there was even a minute chance that this was not negotiated beforehand.I suspect that after the players union agreed to this it was not publicized for the reason that is evident now.I could be wrong but do you really think the NBA would throw this out there on a whim?If there was even a slight chance it could be rescinded? They would take even more heat if this was a unilateral edict that could not be enforced.If you find something definite please let me know also.

By david

October 22, 2005 07:07 PM | Link to this

Peter,agent or not you should understand that if this couldn’t be done or already consented to,you know Billy Hunter would be wailing in symphony with yourself about “due process”.This was negotiated and when the player’s union was punked at the table on this and also the age limit they quietly sulked away.I would speculate that most agents that represent the players also chose to keep their mouth shut until after Stern announced so they could plead ignorance also.

By lewis

October 22, 2005 07:15 PM | Link to this

Just for general info Stephen A. Smith has also said that this was agreed upon in the CBA.The following is a quote from Mr.Smith “The players and their representation will cry,b***,moan,wail and p** and then they will shut up and dress for work,The fans will scream about this much longer than the players”

By Alan

October 22, 2005 09:27 PM | Link to this

Almost every job in America has a dress code, why should the NBA be any different?

By Peter

October 22, 2005 10:08 PM | Link to this

David, I have an entertainment company I’m not an agent (who by the way should be exterminated)

I think you’re missing the point. For the record I have a dress code. I hate the way a lot of these guys dress, speak and act. However there is something that is never spoken about.

If you’re black, well spoken or not, educated or not, rich or poor, your life can be filled with daily humiliations and it doesn;t matter how you dress, speak or act.

They’re not going to fit in no matter what so why set yourself up for that? Who’s buying the majority of hip hop music? Non-black kids. World wide and the NBA is hypocritical in pretending that this isn’t so. These are the future season ticket holders in the NBA.

A lot of these guys have lived lives of terrible deprivation. Nobody gave a sh// if they had “proper” clothing when it was freezing at night and when they finally get the payoff…now, NOW people care about their clothes.

I don’t neccesarily disagree with the dress code but the subtle, unspoke reasons behind it.

Should all of the lesbian women on the pro tennis tour start to wear frilly little dresses?

Yeah I cringe when I see these kids walking around with their crack showing because they’re copying a style of guys who’ve had their belts taken away in the jail. But I SAY that’s why I don’t like it.

Think Jordan or Magic don’t feel the same way? Yeah, they say so and it’s only repeated in Ebony or Jet. When I hear “somebody has to take control of the situation” there is a part of me that hears “keep thos n*s in their place.

This should have come from the players themselves. Yes it would have been tough..you can take a look and see which guys are from two parent households.

My problem is painting anyone who dresses that way as a thug.

By Peter

October 22, 2005 10:24 PM | Link to this

Don’t blog while eating eggo waffles with syrup. The keys stick and you end up writing words such as unspoke.

By david

October 22, 2005 11:59 PM | Link to this

Peter,I do not disagree with any points in your post.Very well articulated musings.My point is that the NBA can do this under the guise of a business decision.I personally don’t see this edict as racism,but I would not pretend to state what this means to you.My one and only point has been that the NBA can do this.I respect your thoughts also.I personally think that man’s attire does not necessairly equate to character.

By Ryan

October 23, 2005 12:08 AM | Link to this

Just to clear up: FIrst ammendmend forbids laws which:

• Establish a state religion or prefer certain religion (the “Establishment Clause”);
• Prohibit the free exercise of religion (the “Free Exercise Clause”);
• Infringe the freedom of speech;
• Infringe the freedom of the press;
• Limit the right to assemble peaceably;
• Limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Now, unless the NBA is the federally elected government, this text is utterly and completely in all ways totally irrelevant to the NBA and their rules towards how their employees dress. Unless the Government came in and made a rule stating a dress code for the NBA, there would be no relevance.

Got it? THe first ammendment does not mean “I can say whatever I want, wherever I want to, whenever I want to, with no consequences whatever from anyone private or public”

MEaning that a private employer can set up a dress code and apply punishments, fines, etcetera for its violation. ANd the first ammendment has nothing to do with it.

By Charles Yarborough

October 23, 2005 03:44 AM | Link to this

Shhh… Hey fellas….let the NBA continue to rape hip-hop culture and make millions of dollars in the process…just don’t dress like those “thugs” we blast over the sound systems of arenas all over the country.

By BigDaddy

October 23, 2005 06:16 AM | Link to this

Peter - I agree with you: don’t ever blog while eating waffles with syrup. As to the rest of what you said… not so much. Here’s the thing - you yourself equated the hip-hop style as being a copy of people in jail. I think under normail situations, people in jail are not those anyone should hold up as those to be emulated. Do you not share that sentiment?

As far as the trope about, “these guys have lived lives of terrible deprivation,” so have many that wear suits to work everyday. Condeleeza Rice grew up the daughter of a Mississippi sharecropper. US Senator Barak Obama was the son of an African goat-herder. Do you think MLK, growing up during the days of segregation, didn’t have his, “life filled with daily humiliations”? Yet, somehow, they don’t use their humble beginnings to excuse sartorial disasters.

You say you don’t like how they dress - that it represents jailhouse syle - so why not demand better? Why not expect better? Your post is indicative of those who prescribe to what President Bush (in his one eloquent moment) dubbed, “the soft bigotry of low expectations.”

By Ryan

October 23, 2005 06:44 AM | Link to this

SO tell me, from no on does every single executive decision have to be vetted first by David Stern to make sure it effects more white people than bolack people, lest it be racist?

Or can it be possible to be in favour of or opposed to something without race being a factor?

By Samuel

October 23, 2005 11:44 AM | Link to this

Hey guys,

I think I have said about all I want to say on this issue until I get a copy of the new CBA.

I could have sworn that I saw an entire copy on the net but I can’t find it anywhere. I know some of you lawyers and/or scholars can tell me where I can find a copy.

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By Samuel

October 23, 2005 12:17 PM | Link to this

Nevermind,I found it. The NBA Players Union Website: nbpa.com

The CBA doesn’t specifically address the dress code. The only thing that I can see that would apply is: Article XXVI: Team Rules

It basically says that each team can set their own rules, which is already being done.

What about Cuban in Dallas who has said that he wouldn’t comply with the “MEMO”.

I’ll let you lawyers look it over and tell me if you see otherwise.

By steve

October 23, 2005 01:57 PM | Link to this

I am just amazed at some of the responses above. Comments like “this is America”, or “they just want to express themselves”. Wake up folks, like it or not you CAN’T do just anything you feel like in this country. There are laws and there are rules. Rules set by government or by private entities. If your boss says to dress a certain way, then that is how you dress, even if you don’t like it. However, if you just have to “express yourself”, fine, go get another job. Nothing is holding you there. Complain all you want, but a business owner makes the rules for his business. Get that?, HIS business, not yours. You have choices. Comply or leave. Problem with most of these athletes is they have never been told “no”. All i have to say to them is “Grow Up, join the real world.

By Samuel

October 23, 2005 03:39 PM | Link to this

Not so fast Steve. There are also unions in this country and the NBA has a pretty good one.

Besides, you also have to realize something. Without the players, you have no Business. The players and the owners know that. It’s time “YOU” realize that.

It’s not like they can bring in a bunch of Immigrants(although they are trying that to) but you just can’t imitate a MJ,Lebron, or Shaq Daddy.

There’s nothing like the real thing, “Baby”.

By Ryan

October 23, 2005 05:25 PM | Link to this

ANd without the owners, the players would have no arena to play in, no seats to fill with fans to buy tickets to pay their salaries. No coaches which are payed by the opwners to run the teams…

If the players want to be spolied rotten infants because the leauge expects them to dress decently, it only shows THIER immaturity. And CUban is a bad example. He would go against anything the league said just because they said it.

By steve

October 23, 2005 08:59 PM | Link to this

This, is a response, to Samuel,my daughters are 22 and 21 they never dressed the way you quoted. Get your facts straight BUDDY, Also if most of the NBA players had fathers or some kind of role model,themselves they might see things differently.

By sodapabts

October 23, 2005 11:04 PM | Link to this

you idiots need to realize something here… The NBA as a business is not BET,,,, We’re talking about professionals and money making, that’s all. You don’t mazimize that potential when everyone is wearing pajamas and nose-bones…. It turns off the average viewer. The NBA’s decision to do this makes a lot of sense, and it’s practical for business purposes. Good GOd.. you’d never know it without this rule, but apparently a lot of millionaires are allergic to nice clothes. …losers…

It is in fact their responsibility to represent themselves and their teams in the best light possible…. and dressing like a bum does neither.

Good for stern… This was a long time coming. Maybe the NBA can pull itself out of the gutter now.

By EHUSS

October 24, 2005 11:43 AM | Link to this

IM WEARING A DOO RAG RIGHT NOW BOY DO I FEEL LIKE KILLING SOMEBODY LET ME GO AND CHANGE TO MY SUITE SO I CAN FEEL BETTER THAT PEOPLE DONT SEE ME IN A NEGITIVE LIGHT! NOW I HAVE MY SUIT ON LETS GO AND DESTROY SOME COMPANYS YEA!!!

By Greg B

October 24, 2005 01:16 PM | Link to this

Everyone who keeps repeating the opinion that the dress code is a business decision as though that makes it alright is missing the point. Corporations make decisions that are wrong all the time. When an automobile manufacturer, say Ford, decides whether to have a call back on car X that has a fault, they determine whether the lawsuits and bad publicity will cost more than the callback. This is also a business decision but it is not right morally. So when you read posts where some of us are emotinally charged about this issue because it may relate to some of us directly, don’t be so quick to say it’s a “business decision”. I think slavery was a pretty good “business decsion” for the slave- owners.

By DRN

October 24, 2005 01:48 PM | Link to this

Terrence,

I disagree about 99% of the time with your column. However, your column on 10/19/05 regarding the NBA’s new dress code is right on the money.

Excellent column. Enjoyed reading it.

Sincerely,

DRN

By BB FAN

October 24, 2005 02:01 PM | Link to this

Allan Iverson was the downfall of the NBA. He is nothing but a thug. The man can not even speak clearly. He gets arrested for waving a gun at a party. He is covered from head to toe with tatoos. Yet he insists he is not thug. Well, then stop acting like one. And all of these young kids are dressing like him. It’s a shame because one can not get a normal job dressed like Iverson.

I’m sorry, but this is not a racial thing at all. A company or organization has the right to demand their employees to wear certain attire. Jordan and Johnson were both black americans but they would not be caught dead in the clothes that Iverson wears. It is an image thing. The NBA needs a better image.

My place of employment requires the same dress code as the new NBA dress code…Except NO jeans. These players are all whining about this but all I have to say is it is just a little taste of the real world.

I say that if anybody in the NBA; white, black, asian or whatever race; does not want to follow the dress code then find a new job. Without the NBA, some of them would be working at Burger King.

Players are complaining that the NBA should give them money to buy clothes. That is a joke. The league minimum is like 350,000. The league average is much more. If they can not afford to buy 10 pairs of dockers or slacks, 10 button up shirts and a few sports jackets, then they must be blowing their money on useless sh!t.

The NBA is taking a step in the right direction. I also think the age limit was a good idea. However, it should be 21 or 22 instead of 19. That is another problem with the NBA…no fundamental skills. I’m not just talking about basketball skills either. Lebron James is the exception. James is usually dressed in a suit and tie. Lets hope he can bring back the days of Jordan.

By Ryan

October 24, 2005 02:46 PM | Link to this

SO now, Gregg, you are trying to compare implementing a dress code to slavery? Man, if you EVER had any credibility it just circled down the drain and disappeared. Yup, those slaves - they were payed exhorbitant amounts of money to play a game, made into celebreties and then, those HORRIBLE people that had so elevated them, had the raw NERVE to ask them to dress nicely!

HOw absolutely Horrid.

By jeff

October 24, 2005 02:52 PM | Link to this

very well stated. it is not about the guys there, it is all about the kids growing up that do not know how to dress for success.

By Greg B

October 24, 2005 03:05 PM | Link to this

The comparison is not between the slave trade and today’s NBA player. My point in the earlier post was to show how just because something is a business decision for the company does not make it right. Slavery was used as an example to show just how morally wrong some business decisons can be however right they are for the owners. I think David Stern as smart as he appears to be could have and should have come up with a better way to enhance the NBA image without insulting the culture of a majority of its players (at least those who know they are being insulted) and those of us who are tired of all the sterotyping.

By BB FAN

October 24, 2005 03:43 PM | Link to this

It does not matter what who wears the clothes. All races wear the baggy jeans, medallions, and jerseys or t-shirts. It’s not meant to single out one culture. Those things are not allowed just like straw hats, overalls and work boots are not allowed. It is a casual business dress. I think dress jeans are even allowed. Sport coats are only required on the bench.

I am so sick of the b!tching and moaning about racism culturally biased bullsh!t. The NBA has the right to demand a dress code. If Allan Iverson OR Steve Nash has a problem with it, then thy can go find a new job. Period.

By BB FAN

October 24, 2005 03:46 PM | Link to this

Whenever there are standards set in this world, there’s always this b!tching and moaning about racism culturally biased bullsh!t. That is an excuse to be lazy and disrepectful.

By BB FAN

October 24, 2005 03:55 PM | Link to this

I have lost interest in the NBA in the last 10 years. It’s because nobody in the league cares to get better. Iverson scores 30 points a game but has a 40% feild goal percentage. He thinks he does not have to show up to practice. Everybody saw his little show on ESPN with him saying, “we talkin’ ‘bout practis, dats awl, jus practis”!!!! It’s a bad attitude. And dressing like you don’t give a sh!t is part of the bad attitude. Jordan, Barkley, Malone, Bird, Johnson and so on never went on ESPN and said it’s just practice, I don’t need to practice. How one presents themselves leads to work ethic.

So asking these guys to start dressing like they care, might get them to care. And the NBA dress code is not requiring suits. It’s just collared shirst and dress slacks, khakis and shoes. Sport coats are only required on the bench.

By chris

October 24, 2005 04:56 PM | Link to this

There is definitely nothing wrong with professionalism and a clean image.My concern is INTENT.I dont think the intention of these people have anything to do with the betterment of individual players or a fans perception of a player.The image has already been created before the suit was put on.Most people want even get to see them in suits during the times that they are supposed to have them on anyway.What they will see is the media potraying the player negatively and that will probably be when they dont have on a suit.Some of the most ruthless people of our time right now wear suits everyday,teach your kids about them.I think the purpose is to strip certain people of their individuality,something that identifies who they are.And I think A certain culture is afraid of their children identifying with these players.Try reporting on the more positive things these players are doing and you wouldnt have to worry about the way they look on the outside

By Ryan

October 25, 2005 07:50 AM | Link to this

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1005/pitts102405.php3?printer_friendly

Says what needs to be said.

By Ryan

October 25, 2005 07:52 AM | Link to this

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1005/pitts102405.php3?printer_friendly

Says what needs to be said.

And you picked slavery when you coudl have picked any number of other things. Why did you pick slavery? TO try to make a sideways association between the two - otherwise there was no reason to pick that particular ‘charged’ example.

By Cleasie Hickson

October 25, 2005 10:50 AM | Link to this

I laughed until my side hurt when I heard that one of the NBA players wanted a stipend to buy clothes to meet the new dress guidelines. It just shows how many of them are in it for the money, and have no concept of what pride and professionalism is. Terrence Moore was right when mentioning that Michael Jordan, Magic, and Zeke set the standard for what successful men should look like in the public. If our men have to wear doo rags on their heads, pants that are 3 sizes too big to prove their manhood and that they are still “down” with the people, then we as a people are in worst shape than we imagine.

By Greg B

October 25, 2005 10:50 AM | Link to this

Say its a given that clothes make the man. Lets suppose that a great majority of NBA players become members of the Nation Of Islam. The NOI is known for their suits and bowties as well as their extremists attitudes. I am not psychic, but I am willing to bet that the NBA would institute a dress code requiring players to wear team sweatsuits and the like when on team business. Yes it would definitely be a good business decision. So we are right back where we started. David Stern has to try to improve the image without alienating a group that is always in a constant struggle to fit in because of deep seeded self-image problems. This is his problem because the majority of his workforce is in this group. Why not do some public service ads with Allen Iverson helping kids. Use his appeal like Reebok does, to show how hard he plays and showcase his never quit attitude. Instead of treating him like a pariah. Look I don’t have all the answers, but I know when something feels wrong.

By Ryan

October 25, 2005 11:25 AM | Link to this

Get off the racial high horse. Not everything is about race, however much you might wish it to be. If one angle doesn’t work, you’ll just keep trying new angles to try to make this racial.

By chris

October 25, 2005 12:51 PM | Link to this

Only fools duck when the truth is thrown at them,Ryan

By Ryan

October 25, 2005 12:54 PM | Link to this

Of course! If you start losing an argument, start tossing names. You have still yet to provide one compelling example or reason why this is ‘racism’ other than trying to bring up slavery on the sly. Yawn.

By Ryan

October 25, 2005 01:44 PM | Link to this

Sorry. Just noticed it was CHrish, not Gregg. Still, The rest applies apart from the slavery bit.

Tell me, what sort of place do you work? Does YOUR Boss have a right to tell you what to wear there? Why not the NBA?

By Greg B

October 25, 2005 01:59 PM | Link to this

The act of declaring a dress code is in itself not racist. But what it does in this case is reinforce stereotypes about young african-americans dressed in a certain manner not being suitable for employment or presentation to the public, which is false because clearly they are already working professionals and get paid more for advertising than most other sports combined. So why give in to these false perceptions.

By Ryan

October 26, 2005 09:11 AM | Link to this

SO why not correct the false impressions by making their dress commensurate with their stature, so people don’t think “Thug” when they see them, even if its unfair?

SO, do you think that no business shoudl be able to set a dress code then? that a store shoudl not be able to tell its employees how to dress when on store buysiness? That, say, a fortune 500 company that pays its executives millions should not be able to tell them to dress in a suit and tie, but instead should be required to allow them t5o come to work in baggy shorts and a do - rag because it might ‘create false impressions’?

By Ryan

October 26, 2005 09:22 AM | Link to this

SO shoudl a fortune 500 company not be able to tell its executives to dress in suits and ties instead of do-rags and baggy shorts? DO you think that employers shoudl not be able to define what is appropriate clothing to wear while representing their interests? Do you think NBA players should be exempt from the things that Just about every other employed person in the country is not exempt from?

By 2Nice

October 26, 2005 04:37 PM | Link to this

With all of this talk about the examples that were set by Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson - let’s look beyond their attire and look at what they did.
Michael is/was a gamblaholic who has more money than he knows what to do with. And rumor has it that he is/was quite the ladies’ man (although he was married). Magic has/had a winning personality. But his promiscuity during his “Showtime” days led to his contraction of HIV. So these shining examples of an era when “dressing the part” was the norm weren’t all so shiny after all. And that’s because in the end YOU CANNOT COVER UP THE TRUTH. An image is just what it is - what you see in public. What you do behind closed doors is what truly determines your character and being. So David Stern is dead wrong on this one. Give me a league where the players are all happy and comfortable…and let’s put the emphasis on what they do - and not what they wear.

By Adontis

October 27, 2005 04:56 PM | Link to this

First of all, everyone keeps saying that this is the NBA’s dress code and the players should either follow it or get another job. But that’s just it, this is not the NBA’s dress code. The dress code is shorts and shirt, right? That’s just like saying that a factory worker who works at plant, say General Motors has to wear a suit to work, then go to the locker room and change into some old jeans. It is stupid. A law office does not have their employees come in with a suit on then change into jeans before they go into court. If I worked at Speedway do you think I would go to work in a $1000 suit just to pump gas? So everyone needs to quit saying this is the NBA”s dress code. And as far as the players being role models, so they need to dress accordingly. Firemen are role models and they don’t wear suits on their way to work. I wear jeans and I dnt think I am a thug. I have to wear shirt and slacks at my job but do you think they care what I wear on my way into work? Your dress code should be according to what your job is. Construction workers wear jeans, accountants wear suits, swimmers wear speedos, etc.

By Adontis

October 28, 2005 12:01 PM | Link to this

You know what would be great? Something that would show Stern and everyone else how stupid their rule is. If they want suits, then suits they would get. All the players should wear crazy colored suits like a bright orange or yellow with crazy designs on them. Have words like hip hop and thug life written all over the suit. And pictures of gold chains drawn on their suits. LOL. Sure it sounds stupid but its would be a great way to protest and still abide by the rules. I wonder then what everyone would say? Stern would then try to tell the players what colors the suit can be. How stupid can these people be. Let the players wear what they want. Sure the players are making the big bucks from the NBA but not nearly as much as the owners and the NBA itself. An employer is not going to pay his employee more then he makes, right? This is a two way street and Stern is trying to drive on both sides.

By Samuel

October 29, 2005 08:45 AM | Link to this

I like that Adontis. This issue really is childish and stupid.

Go to NBA.com and view the transcript of the interview with David Stern and Stue Jackson. It seems as though this issue was “not” so well thought out afterall as they don’t even have any consequences set for violations. They are underestimating the “resolve” and independance of many of today’s players.

It’s interesting how this issue has become so raciall and generational. The people “for” the dress code on this board “SEEM SO ANGRY AND SERIOUS”. For What? I don’t give a shi_ what Tim Duncan wears on a plane and nor would any “REAL” Basketball fan would either. Only these “dried up prunes” who wish they still had a little “style left” are complaining.

I wonder how “cooperative” they were in the 60’s and 70’s when the Hippies, Fro’s and Rock N’ Roll was “PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE”?

By Samuel

October 29, 2005 03:45 PM | Link to this

By the way,

Did you guys hear about the sportcoat Cuban wore at Friday Nights game. It had the word “Mavs” on one front pocket in team colors, Dirk’s #41 on the other pocket, and Dirk’s name and number on the back.

I can’t wait to see what AI comes up with. I like the idea about wearing the “pimp” style myself. I can see Duncan now, lookin like my boy “SUPERFLY” and Artest as Fred “THE HAMMER” Williamson.

By Alonzo Anderson

October 31, 2005 09:49 AM | Link to this

I agree with your comments and with the NBA dress code. I say its way overdue!…As someone who works for a large corporation and a former military member, I have worked under a dress code my entire professional career and yes there is a BIG difference in the way that you act and present yourself to others. What a lot of folks don’t seem to understand is that pro athletes are some of the few professionals who are TELEVISED GOING to and LEAVING work!!! The image that they project has a major influence over young people. I’m African-American, I love hip-hop, I wear throwbacks, my hat to da’ back etc. But that is on my OWN TIME, when I’m at work or in public representing my coroporation I always look the part. NBA players, you guys are multi-millionaires who will make more money in one year than most people will make in a lifetime (including myself). You play a game for a living, you work what? 3-4 hours a day? Is it too much to ask that you project a more professional, business image during that time or whenever you are on COMPANY BUSINESS? Wear the bling, throwbacks etc. during YOUR TIME just like any other professional person does/would. And no, this is not a racist dress code from David Stern, It just so happens that African-Americans tend to dress in that unprofessional way. I’m sure that if the whites dressed that way the code would still be in force. I still watch the NBA!!!

By TD

October 31, 2005 06:27 PM | Link to this

Stern has been in the job too long and is still basking in the glow of effectively breaking the union a few years ago. And like one of the posters pointed out, I don’t know how this was done without union approval and if they did approve, it shouldn’t have been agreed to without concessions. The players have a dress code and a uniform of the day when they are playing the game, what the players wear when they are sitting on the bench should be their business. For those who cry for the 70s and 80s maybe they can have a “throwback day” and let the players play dress up in suits while they are sitting on the bench. The way players in the NBA dress, video games that kids play and the music they listen to are not causing the downfall of this country. maybe it is the lack of economic opportunity and outsourcing of jobs. And I really don’t care what others wear to their jobs or what jobs they have. It is a spurious argurment. The issue is the NBA. I don’t see the National Felon League having this type of problem. The issue may lie with the popularity of the sport and not the dress.