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By Scott

September 19, 2005 12:59 AM | Link to this

Just another Atlanta road loss; forget the Super Bowl, just another case of a dome team that becomes an oil spot on the playoff road in January…

By Matthew

September 19, 2005 01:36 AM | Link to this

Scott…

Go find another board to post on.

Stop wasting your time and ours.

If this is your conclusion after two weeks, one in which we beat the “best” team in the NFC, then you don’t know your a— from a hole in the ground.

Dome team?

Son, the Falcons were the first team to ever… EVER beat the Falcons in Lambeau during the playoffs, and they remain the only team to ever beat Brett Favre when it is below 32 degrees at Lambeau.

You don’t know s—t, so go find an Eagles site, kiss TO’s a—, and stay off of our boards.

Either do that, or actually learn a thing or two about football before you blog.

And Terence, where’s your “Everyone hates Vick because he’s black, and we all want Matt Schaub,” article, you hypocrite? If figured that article was coming, or maybe, it is coming and you’re just waiting for the “right” time.

A—hole.

By D-man

September 19, 2005 01:55 AM | Link to this

Let me say that while I am a rabid Falcon fan, I am not above coming down on my team when they stink it up. Yes, I will be pulling for them the rest of the year, yes I will keep going to the games and yes I am p** off at their play today. There is simply no freak’n excuse for those first two quarters. While Walter Jones is an exellent pro-bowl offensive lineman, Pat Kerney looked just plain stupid against him. Is Jones that inhuman or is Kerney over-rated? Man…he sucked it up. And Rod Coleman? Where the heck was he? Did he make the trip? Was he on the sidelines? Was he selling beer in the stands? Where was he? Ok, so Brady Smith may be a more important element of this defensive line then I have given him credit for. Coleman and Kerney just looked like toddlers out there without him. Pat Kerney looked like an idiot out there falling down, getting back up and falling down again against Jones. What a joke. And what the heck happend to Deangelo Hall? Man, the first two quarters he looked like he couldnt cover his own shadow. He was giving the Seattle receivers way too much room. If he would have pulled that Monday night, T.O. would have owned him. I will say the defense stiffened up the second half..but by that time the game was over. We should have had a better gameplan to get at Hasslebeck. When he is pressured…he does make mistakes. Ugly ones. Instead, we gave him forever in the pocket and in the first half he picked us apart. In the last half we started blitzing more and he sucked it up (They didnt score again!). Why couldnt we have tried that earlier before it was 21-0? And what about our crappy offense? Jenkins is a joke. Ok, so he caught a crucial 58 yard pass last week..good for him. What happened this week? Heck, he dropped at least three crucial passes that would have really made a difference in this game. Back to the old Jenkins..last week was obviously an illusion. This team is crazy if they think they can compete against all of these playoff teams in the coming weeks. Get ready for a losing year guys. I hate to say it but it is true. There is nothing these guys showed me this week that makes me feel good about the upcoming weeks. Carolina seems to have gotten it together in their win over the Patriots. In my opinion, they are the team to beat in the NFC South. Oh, and the Bucs looked pretty good too with their new running back and 2-0 start. See all of you in September of 2006. This year is over. Peace.

By D-man

September 19, 2005 02:08 AM | Link to this

Matthew..shut the heck up. If people want to gripe when the team screws up..let them. I am a 10 year season ticket holder and yes, I have an opinion and no, it may not be the one you want to hear. If you think what I said in my comments was hurting your sensitive eyes…its a good thing your virgin ears weren’t in the Falcon’s locker room after the game…your poor little heart would have fainted from the comments of Jim Mora and staff. The team f—ked it up and you can get over your freak’n denial. Nobody, not even you loves this team more than me..I have spent a heck of a lot of money watching them over the years..I have taken all the bad and the good. But I have never been more disappointed by a lack of effort as what I saw in the first 2 quarters. I want the team to get past the “one good game, one sucky game” mentality. If we are to get over this never winning two seasons in a row crap, we have got to end what happened today. There is simply no excuse. (and I am confident Mora said the same thing in the locker room right after). Does that man you will come down on him for saying only what is true? Wake up Matthew. Your about as alert as the Falcons were.

By HAL STEVENS

September 19, 2005 04:40 AM | Link to this

I HAVE BEEN A FALCON FOLLOWER SINCE THEY WERE FIRST HATCHED. I SUFFERED THROUGH THE SMITH FAMILYS INEPT OWENERSHIP AND POOR SELECTION OF COACHES AND PLAYERS. YES, I AM A TRUE FALCON FAN ; BUT TODAYS OVERALL PERFORMANCE BY BOTH THE FALCON PLAYERS AND COACHING STAFF WAS EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTING. THE PLAY CALLING WAS AS BAD AS THE EXECUTION IN SPOTS. I DONT PROFESS TO BE AN EXPERT BUT I HAVE BEEN A STUDENT OF THE GAME FOR A GREAT MANY YEARS HAVING PLAYED IN HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE.LET’S HOPE COACH MORA AND HIS STAFF WILL BE BETTER PREPARED FOR THE COMING GAME WITH THE BILLS.BY THEIR BEING BETTER PREPARED, I AM CERTAIN THE TEAM WILL BE BETTER MOTIVATED. I HOPE WE ARE ABLE TO WIN WITH QB MICHAEL VICK. HE HAS NOT SHOWN THE GENERE OF A GOOD NFL QB. HE IS ABSOLUTELY PHENOMINAL ON SPECTACULAR PLAYS, BUT THESE PLAYS DO NOT CONSISANTLY WIN. I HOPE I AM WRONG AND MR. VICK BLOSSOMS INTO A REAL WINNER FOR OUR FALCONS.

By Pete

September 19, 2005 06:45 AM | Link to this

My guess is the Falco’s will beat Buffalo handily next week. The Falcons lost against Seattle in a very hard-fought, 60-minute game in which they completely dominated the second half, after being totasted in the first. Teams that play Monday night have always struggled the following Sunday afternoon - that’s the reason Seattle was favored in the game.

By the way, Terence, your article says the Falcons won seven straight games at some point last season … I’m not 100% sure, but I don’t think that’s right. I know they were 6-2 at midseason, and 11-3 after 14 games, then lost their last two. I can’t see how they could have squeezed in a 7-game win streak.

By P

September 19, 2005 07:22 AM | Link to this

As Michael Vick slows down with age, he had better learn the offense to survive. There is no way you can call put him in the top 20 QBs when he doesn’t run.

I like our defense, we’ll be in every game. The offense however is terrible.

By Jamie

September 19, 2005 07:49 AM | Link to this

The team looked uninspired in the first half.DeAngelo was too busy reading his press clippings from last week and the play calling with 2:00 left was pitiful.The Falcons looked like the team that got blown out in K.C. last year.

By Neil McDougall

September 19, 2005 08:18 AM | Link to this

After a loss like this, which eats at ya and makes you insane, there’s nothing worse than seeing falcons players yucking it up on the sidelines like nothing just happened. I want to see some anger, some p** off players. Instead we see “players” like Jenkins with a big stupid smile on his face. Some Falcons fans paid thousands of dollars to go to this game etc. The least they (we) deserve is for the players to give 100% and to look like the damned result matters to them. P** me off… .

By Kudzu

September 19, 2005 08:22 AM | Link to this

When are you guys going to (get it)? We are seeing the best of Vick. As his legs go, so goes this team. The man cannot pass consistently enough, play after play, series after series. (TOP) quaterbacks find a way to come back in a game, win big when you should, make good split second decision. He’s not this teams leader. You don’t suck up the place for 30 minutes, then all of a sudden start (caring), “Oh, I think I’ll start giving the fans a little something for their money, because the did come to see me play”. Crap.

If I have to see Arthur Blank codddle Vick on the sidelines one more time, I believe I might puke.

Vick shoulders the blame- period. Don’t any of you (easily offended bunch) start saying it’s the OL, the receivers can’t catch or run good routes; wait, it’s the play calling; no, it’s jet lag… what the hell?

TOP quarterbacks raise the level of play for 60 minutes. Vick needs a kick in the a**. In the meantime Falcon fans will suffer the emotional crapped out feelings associated with watching an overated QB. You don’t have to be able to run in this league to be a great QB. But if you can’t pass, you’re sucked.

By mountain jim

September 19, 2005 08:56 AM | Link to this

Vick only threw 2 or 3 bad passes - as far as I am concerned it was a good game from him…

Jenkins let a perfectly thrown touchdown bomb go threw his hands, and if he had not slowed down it would not even have had to be an over-the-shoulder catch. He also dropped the first-down pass Vick got off while being wrapped and downed.

Knapp only gave Vick 5 pass plays in the first half and he was 3-5 with 2 Jenkins drops. He looked good out there, a lot better than Jenkins or the defense or the Oline run-blocking.

Those 2 plays and the 2nd have touchdown bomb to Jenkins that Vick did overthrow were the difference.

Concerning the rest of the season, if Knapp does not adjust the play-calling to 8-9 men in the box and start spreading the field and throwing more, it’s going to questionable whether the back-to-back winning seasons is acheivable.

Knapp is much worse in his position than Vick in his right now. He almost lost the Eagles game with his poor playcalling also.

That first down Dunn run with a little over 2 minutes left was the killer play call - I wanted to strangle him right there. Wasted 1 of the 4 remaining plays and the clock. Get in the gun and pass during the 2 minute drill - Knapp threw away any reasonable chance of a comeback right there.

And Jenkins was open on the last play but Shaub threw it to triple-covered Roddy, guess he had no confidence in Jenkins catching it either.

So many poseurs - I mean posters here have so many agendas - and Matthew if you can’t keep from taking shots at the writer you ought to have the manners to stay out of his columns’s blog - you only show your own arse repeatedly.

mj

By 64ghs

September 19, 2005 08:58 AM | Link to this

We can’t run the ball with 7 or 8 men on the line of scrimmage on defense, so why did you mr. knapp keep calling run plays. Man are you stupid or what? Pass the ball don’t keep running the ball. duhhh! Mr. knapp stop tring to convince us this west coast crap works.Our Defense beat the eagles last week not your stupid offense.

By Huh?

September 19, 2005 09:33 AM | Link to this

Matthew:

“Dome team?

Son, the Falcons were the first team to ever… EVER beat the Falcons in Lambeau during the playoffs, and they remain the only team to ever beat Brett Favre when it is below 32 degrees at Lambeau.”

Can you at least get your teams right when you blog?

By Jennifer

September 19, 2005 09:34 AM | Link to this

I mostly agree with MJ, right on down to the comment on good-old-Marine-boy Matt. I don’t mind blasting enemy invaders with some choice language, but TM is on our side.

And who brought up race this time?

As for the article, I didn’t find it particularly critical, considering. There’s a note of confidence in there, too.

I think the Falcons will have regained their amnesia by this Sunday. It’s a skill they have to practice, just like pass rushing. Perhaps Mora needs to instill it in training camp and the pre-season…..?

By Bob from Butthood

September 19, 2005 09:35 AM | Link to this

Dear Mathew ..

The “Falcons beat the Falcons at Lambeau” ..?? Maybe Terrence was right, in that you and your team can’t keep your birds straight ..???

By Eman

September 19, 2005 09:39 AM | Link to this

Well lets start by saying that the falcons don’t have a reason for stinking the place up . Let me tell you something , people work 7 days jobs for little of nothing and there is no let down for them and nfl players are getting played millions of dollars for playing a game and they gave it a half effort; who do they think they are. It is no reason for a team to have a bad showing like that. The falcons have two monday nights games are they going to lay down afther each game.The playcalling was the worst since week one o’ yeah that was last week. This team is the worst passing team since they created the forward pass! We are not going to the superbowl untill somebody teach Mike Vick how to pass.I know lets tank this year and next year so we can get his brother Macus Vick; he is a better passer than Mike Vick. When teams play 8 man in the box you should pass on them with easy ;instead we still try to run the ball! Greg knapp is not a good offensive cord because when we got the ball back when it was 2:34 in the 4 Q he called a run up the middle when we need to pass. I could call a better play on my playsation 2 madden 2006. At lease I would have driven the ball to the 30 to kick a field goal. If we loose in bufflo then this maybe another lossing year for the birds. I gave up because I try to think postive about the team and they let me down all the time. They will not make the playoffs playing that way. Dan Reeves the falcons old coach, knew on thing and that was how to prepare his players. I think that Mike Vick was going to be a greater passer under him then mora. I think mora just want to win games and keep his job, so he tells vick “just do want you do”. HE is not concern if Mike Vick ever becomes a great passer as long as he keeps winning and he has a job. Thats real. I love the falcons and eventhough I am young I know a lot about football and any sport. If you read this and want to state you say e - mail me at stackalot2000@yahoo.com thank you.

By 2 can play that game

September 19, 2005 09:48 AM | Link to this

Tampa Bay Won!!!!!

By Buc fan

September 19, 2005 09:50 AM | Link to this

Falcon fans: Welcome to life in the NFL. After starting the year 0-4 in 2004, the Bucs have began to play the “underdog” role and have flown under the radar so far, which is the best place to be in my estimation because it keeps a sense of desperation that is vital to the teams overall success. If you look at the Falcons schedule and compare it to the Bucs, it becomes appearant that Tampa Bay will make a run at the division and that the Falcons might be left in the dust of a brand new “Cadillac.” Good luck and I’m looking forward the playing you…Bucs fan.

By Rob D

September 19, 2005 09:57 AM | Link to this

13-28 122 1 TD 1 int Peyton Manning 11-26 154 0 TD 1 int Jake Delhomme 11-19 123 1 TD O int Mike Vick

Who cares about stats, the W counts in this league. If Vick won with these numbers, there are no complaints. The D was flat this game, three straight drives in the 2nd quarter was the difference. When Vick sits in the pocket he is called a bum, and when he runs he is not a passer. Let the man play his game, he is so focused on answering his critics that he doesnt let his ability take control of him. Evrybody wants to be an expert, so lets get rid of Vick and bring back all the Superbowl and exciting Qb’s we had before him, like hmmm… there are none. Chandler, George, Miller, Nagel, Herbert really get me pumped up. Let the kid be Vick and the W’s will follow.

By John M

September 19, 2005 10:02 AM | Link to this

OK, I think we all all agree that Knapp’s play calling was bad at the end of the game. Yes I’m still mad at the run play on first down.

Let me just say this though, I was proud of the fight that the Falcons showed in the second half. That is something in the past that I have not seen. This game will prove to be a positive in the future. The Falcons know they can’t come out flat yet the NFL have has been served notice that we are not a quitting team.

I believe we will rebound this week and play solid on all phases against Buff.

SORRY YOU GUYS CAN’T BLAME PEERLESS FOR ANYTHING NOW!

GO FALCONS!!!!!!!!!!!

By Carolina is coming...

September 19, 2005 10:02 AM | Link to this

Give me Jake anyday over Vick. At least we have a QB who can make reads and hit open recievers! Sure, he’s the best runner in the league but until his completion percentage climbs above 50, you might as well have have Schaub in there. Looks like we’ll be fighting it out with Tampa for the division. RIP Falcons!

By Chris

September 19, 2005 10:07 AM | Link to this

I thought surely you would claim that since Jim Mora is white the Falcon’s lost yesterday. I guess you reserve your race quandry’s for The University of Georgia, and all the David Greene fans in Bulldog Nation. Good luck concocting the next great keep the black man down scandal. I’m sure you’d like to see Bobby Cox fired and replaced by Eddie Baker if the Braves find a way not to make it to the World Series again this year.

By BAH

September 19, 2005 10:07 AM | Link to this

It’s no secrect that V7 is out this year trying to prove that he can pass. Analysts know, fans know, coaches know, V7 himself admits it. Then why Falcons coaches call plays like they are afraid to let V7 throw like they fear V7 would throw the game away? Could it be that they have no confidence in V7? If we are confident in the throw then we would see 4-wide receiver sets on 1st downs instead of the predictable, 1st down - run, 2nd down - run or pass but most likely run.. 3rd down - shot gun V7 scramble and look to pass to Crumpler. We ran the ball on 1st down on our last drive - knowing that we could’nt run all game. What the heck? It’s the last drive and you’re still trying to establish the run? You wait until the desparate last play to put in extra receivers set and toss up a prayer? I don’t need to know how to play Madden 2006 to call better plays. Look at Seattle, they have a capable runner in Alexander but they came out throwing on 4 consecutive plays - all connected. That threw off ATL defense big time - that’s why our defense were confused for the first half. We appear to have game planned to stop the run and failed to adjust.

Bottom line - give V7 the opportunity to ‘throw’ the ball. We were a bad-azz running team last year. Everyone knows that, they’re coming out to shut our run down - 8-9 players in the box. So let the ball fly, and give our team the opportunity to truly evaluate whether V7 is QB material or just a thrill ride. Give him the opportunity to succeed with his throws. Can’t just throw during practice. Let him do it under real game duress. I would give up a fe losses to allow V7 the opportunity to learn the pass.

By 2 can play that game

September 19, 2005 10:11 AM | Link to this

Tampa Bay Won!!!!…so did FSU, and U of F, and Miami….great day for college football in Florida!!!

By Mikey Mike

September 19, 2005 10:28 AM | Link to this

It is far too easy to criticize a team when it loses and far too easy too compliment a team when it wins.

Michael Vick will learn from this game, then dominate the rest of the year.

The Falcons coaching staff will trake lessons from this game, much like they did the KC game last year, and prepare the team a lot better than they did for this game.

Everything will get better, you just gotta believe.

11-3 the rest of the way.

By Da Truth: AdrianF

September 19, 2005 10:53 AM | Link to this

All of you need to chill out for a second and really look at why the Falcons lost that game. I am a Falcons fan but a lot of “other” Falcons fans that I know don’t like what I have to say because I just keep it too real for them. What I mean by that is I only can tell the truth from what I see. Where with them they only see/hear what they want to see/hear. Some of you say the offense was bad. Some of you say the defense was terrible. But the truth is the blame should fall squarely on the coaches. I’ll explain here in just minute. I read where D-man said, “Where was Rod Coleman? Did he even get on the plane? What happened to Pat Kerney? Is he over-rated? DeAngelo Hall looked like he couldn’t cover his own shadow in the first half.” Well D-man…you were absolutely right to ask those questions but I have some answers for you and all Falcons fans. When asked in the past who was the best o-lineman that he’s ever faced Patrick Kerney said, “Walter Jones.” Walter Jones (Seahawks left tackle) is that d-mn good. While it seemed as though Rod Coleman and Patrick Kerney (h-e-l-l the whole D-line) was ineffective, they can only be as effective as the coverage behind them. Patrick Kerney is not by any means over-rated. In my opinion, he’s actually underrated but his defensive coordinator didn’t call anything to really help him or his fellow d-linemen. How can you as a defensive coordinator call zone coverages basically the whole first half and expect to get any pressure on the QB with the front four when all the receivers have to do is run a 5-yard in route? It wasn’t D-Hall or J-Web’s fault that the coverage called for them to play 10-12 yards off of the ball. They seemed to be playing a cover 3 or cover 4 the whole first half. I know because I played football and I know how to read a defense when the corners are playing that far off the ball. That’s also why Seattle ran wild on us and Philly didn’t. We played mostly man against Philly that’s why T.O. didn’t get off against us last week and our front four got pressure on McNabb all night. When you play man-to-man coverage you help your d-line out by making the QB hold onto the ball until a receiver fights to get open. Playing man-to-man also helps the d-line out when it comes to run support. It brings our corners up to the line of scrimmage for run support to help on those sweeps/toss plays that Seattle was running. When given the cushion that we were giving all a receiver has to do is take a few steps and stop or slant in. Which is exactly what they were doing. All an opposing offensive coordinator has to do is keep calling sweep/toss plays because the pulling linemen can now run downfield and block a DB that’s playing 10-12 yards off anyway. The run will be good for 7+ yards every time. Enough about the defense and their f—k ups. Let’s talk offense now. What was up with the call on 3rd and a long 1 where the Falcons called a QB sneek acting as if all they had to go was an inch? You have a big back in TJ Duckett who Seattle couldn’t stop for a loss all game and you run Vick on a sneek? End result…Punt on 4th and less than an inch. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb!!! They should’ve run Duckett straight up the middle and converted for a first down. That play/punt probably cost them the game. Secondly, what was up with the Vick sweep in the first half where it was a called run but he didn’t have anyone in front of him to help block but Alge Crumpler. I know that they aren’t trying to get Vick killed but keep calling dumb s—t like that and we’ll be looking at him standing on the sideline in street clothes again. Questions…When will they start getting Warrick Dunn involved in the passing game? Where are the screen plays? Where are the plays where Dunn lines up in the slot? When will we see Vick check down to his backs? Where are the plays where you’d have D.V.D. in the backfield at the same time? When will we actually spread the field with 4 wides making defenses bring in that 3rd or 4th DB creating match-up problems? When will we actually catch a defense off guard by starting an offensive series in the no huddle offense? Truth is we won’t do any of these things. That is not until Vick learns how to throw a timing route. Meaning the ball has been thrown before the receiver makes his cut into the route. Thus creating those much needed yac (yards after catch) yards. He did do better yesterday but he still needs work. I’m not saying that Schabb should start. To h-e-l-l with that. Vick should start always but he does need to work on timing and touch. He also needs to look the defense over twice before snapping it so he can see where the blitz is coming from. That way he could at least check off at the line thus making the defense adjust to his adjustment. But I think in order for Vick to become what we all think he can Greg Knapp is going to have to call more roll out pass plays than he does now. Vick is far more accurate on the run than he is in the pocket. Everyone knows this but Knapp continues to call bad plays that don’t feed into the type of talent that we have. That is the problem with the Falcons. They have coaches (o and d coordinators) that don’t know how to use the talent that they have on this team. Why not go 3 wides sometimes? And I’m not talk about when they have Alge Crumpler lined up in the slot and they bring in Eric Beverly as the tight end. I’m saying bring in Finn in the slot or Dunn and lets play some real not-so-obvious football. In closing, all I’m saying is we need to utilize our talent to their strengths. The offense needs to mix things up bit more often as well as the defense. In order to be a super bowl caliber team we need to be a more physical team on offense and more so on defense. Playing more man-to-man or cover 2 and being more physical at the line of scrimmage with the opposing teams receivers will help our defense be that physical presence that we all would like to see them be on a consistant basis. If you look at the teams that run these defenses (Philly, Bucs, Colts, Pats & Jags) they are physical from the point of attack from start to finish. That’s why they are in the mix for the super bowl every year. If I’m the Falcons, we know we can run the ball but we have a problem passing it consistantly. Therefore, I don’t even run one running play in practice. I make Vick pass every down until he learns how to do it accurately and consistantly. True, Jenkins dropped two big ones yesterday but that shouldn’t make Vick stop throwing the ball his way. Vick over threw him on another one where Vick had time to deliver an accurate pass but didn’t. We all know about the line so we might as well just shut up wait until the draft to try to fix it. But until then we have to learn. Ever heard the saying, “Practice makes perfect.” Well Vick and the Falcons need to take that to heart and pass all week long in practice. And with that I’m gone!!! P.S. Did I mention that I’m black. You’ve probably never heard a black person keep it this real about Vick. I don’t have the ingredients to make excuses. I only make solutions! Da Truth AdrianF

By Rick

September 19, 2005 10:54 AM | Link to this

2 can play that game. What the Heck does college football have to do with that Falcons? I am an FSU alumni and glad that we won. But Ga. Tech and Georgia won as well. But the Jags and Dolphins lost in Florida. So what your point??

By RICHARD

September 19, 2005 11:01 AM | Link to this

DID YOU “FAIR WEATHER” FALCON FANS REALLY BELIVE THEY WOULD GO ‘UNDEFEATED’-GET REAL..THIS IS A VERY GOOD TEAM AND STILL GETTING BETTER EACH WEEK..ROAD WINS ARE TOUGH FOR ANY TEAM..GO FALCONS

By 2 can play that game

September 19, 2005 11:02 AM | Link to this

Rick, no point intended…had it not been for the Jags, and Dolphins, the state of Florida would have had a nice sweep this past weekend….

By Jennifer

September 19, 2005 11:53 AM | Link to this

Adrian F,

I totally dig most everything you have to say. I’m not ready to just sit blame on the shoulders of the coaches. I think everyone is still learning. I mean, this is game 2. I don’t see how you can really start learningg your team until you start playing regular season games.

i do agree that we’re not letting MV7 pass to Dunn enough. I thought we didn’t play man enough. But, I’m aware that I have never played, nor have I ever coached, etc.

IMO, I thought our D line struggled but didn’t fail. I thought that our Dline and thier O-line were so perfectly matched that they effectively cancelled each other. It was left to the linebackers and the secondary to get it, and the linebackers did okay, but the secondary were nothing but a bunch of ghosts (note, I do not mean the racially charged word spook, but exactly that, ghosts - ie they haunted but were essentially in another world, could only see them out of the corner of your eyes, etc).

But, fans, come on, what’s with all the negativity? It’s GAME TWO. If it were Game 13, I’d feel down and angry, but come ON.

You know, I’m a late comer fan. I’ve heard from people that’s why I have more optimism. Because I didn’t see the years of Falcons disappointment. I climbed on board in 2003. That’s b******. I’ve been a Saints fan my whole life until the Falcons took Dunn. So, don’t tell me about not know what’s it like to hang onto optimism after years of bait and switch.

Chill out, wait and see.

By Todd

September 19, 2005 12:00 PM | Link to this

QB rating Week 2 (cumulative). Idiot Vick 21/32 Donnavan 3/32

Yeah, yeah. I can hear it now. “We beat Donnavan”. Yep, and not one of you were thinking about that during yesterdays LOSS.

To the idiot that posted the message about Atlanta being the first team to beat GB at Lambeau during the playoffs. Go back and look at GB’s record at home (playoff or not) prior to that loss and then take a look at GB’s record (playoff or not) after that loss. That was just the beginning of GB’s slide at home. They have clearly been a different team after that loss.

And the 32 degree S is just a silly stat. Again GB’s record at home was great (cold weather or not). They were better than the teams they played and the reason for the wins, not the temp.

And Arthur’s blanks hands on Vicks knees does make you sick. About as sick as Mora punching his player in the chest prior to the game. Does he think this black boys buy into his crap. They’re thinking you would not give me the time of day if you did not need me.

By Anthony

September 19, 2005 12:37 PM | Link to this

Man, I hope all of you guys jumping off the bandwagon don’t hurt your knees or anything!

Game 2. Go ask Packer, Viking and Raven fans how they’re doing today. Heck, go ask Lions fans how it feels to get beat by 32 points to the Bears!

Relax guys, I know it stings. I was as fired up at Jenkins, the playcalling and the overall team performance in the first half (players and coaches).

However, this shows that guys like Rossum and Brady Smith mean a lot more to the team that anybody thought. Rossum gives us the field postion needed to win games and Brady Smith would have given Kerney a chance to exploit the other side of Seattle’s line. Jenkins is young, Vick is still young, let the season play out before you want to name Jenkins the next Peerless Price huhg?!?

Week 5 last year vs. Detroit, we lose, everybody is mailing in the season. Week whatever vs. KC, we lose, mail in the season right?

Come on! Everybody take a deep breath and look at the big picture. We’re 1-1, so are the Jets, Broncos, Panthers, Seahawks, Rams and BOTH Super Bowl teams from last year.

Vikings, Packers and Ravens are all 0-2 and all of these teams except for the Panthers and Ravens made the playoffs last year.

The Colts and Steelers are the only other teams to make the playoffs last year to start 2-0 and ask Peyton Manning how he did yesterday. Steelers played the Titans and Texans so far…I’ll hold off my judgement on them before I crown them SB champs.

Nothing is over, we all knew the Falcons would lose games; the NFL is just too close these days.

Bottom line, nothing is as good or as bad as it seems. All teams have bad days and all teams have problems right now that need fixed.

Was I mad about the performance? Hell yes. But come on fellas (and ladies), time to rally together.

I bet if I asked you all before the season if a true fan only backs his team when they win, you all would say that doesn’t make a true fan.

So what changes now? 1-1, 14 games left to go, I’ll see next week for the ugly uniformed Bills…

Anthony “Falcons fan since he was 9” (I thought I would add this since that’s how guys establish their creditablity when posting)

By dave

September 19, 2005 12:40 PM | Link to this

besides a lack of quality WR’s ( we do have crumpler and he’s one of the best), i think it comes down to Vick…he just does not seem to fit the role as QB/passer, whether its reading defenses, checking off receivers, learning to throw the ball with a little ‘touch’,etc…..he just looks unsure and uncomfortable standing in the pocket….he’s a great athlete, a great scrambler, and when he’s on with the A game in passing, nobody’s better but he’s too inconsistent…..It reminds me of a column from one of the AJC writer’s when peerless price left…..the writer wondered if the problem wasn’t with the WR but it might be something else (Vick?)….I hate to say it but i’m not convinced this team gets that much better offensively with Vick as QB despite it being his second year in the same offense….unless we get a Moss/TO caliber WR to help him out…..i think if Atlanta does well this year it will be because the D wins the games….go falcons

By Jeff

September 19, 2005 12:43 PM | Link to this

Todd, obviously, you have never played football. What does the coaches being white and players being black have to do with their getting motivated. The Falcons players, black and white, buy into Mora and his enthusiasm. It just wasn’t there yesterday. Teams and players try to pump themselves up like that all the time, even when they all know it’s just an act.

You’re an idiot.

By Bruno

September 19, 2005 12:44 PM | Link to this

Don’t panic you microwave society rejects. Get over it. Pro football is nothing like your little blackberrys and labtops that dangle from your collective inpatient ear lobes and dolce purses. get off the bandwagon if you can’t handle a loss. we will lose at least 4 more and make the playoffs again.

By Greg from Marietta

September 19, 2005 12:49 PM | Link to this

Hey all you disgruntled “Bloggers”, this is just one game out of 16. Give the Falcons a break!! They played 1 and 1/2 good games out of 2 and there are 14 more to go. No team is going to go undefeated. Heck, even the Patriots got their butts handed to them. I dare say that most of you that are complaining the loudest are wanna-be’s that never suited up a day of your lives anyway.

By Jennifer

September 19, 2005 12:51 PM | Link to this

Not only is Todd an idiot, but he’s certainly a complete loser. It’s been a week since we spanked his team and he’s still not over it.

Very unmanly. Todd, you were bent over and given the shaft. The only difference between your team last week and our team last night is that no one saw us going into the game like we were the pimp and they were the ho. You’re just whining because no matter that you won yesterday or that we lost, it still doesn’t change the fact that last week you were our b***.

Now go away. You’ve got lots of positive things you can say on your team’s blogs….

By wes

September 19, 2005 01:27 PM | Link to this

What lost the game? Defense? Special Teams? Play calling? Or, in my opinion, was it the receivers? Michael Jenkins flat out lost this game for ATL. He dropped AT LEAST 4 balls yesterday. And Roddy White? The only thing he was good for was a 5 yard penalty against us. Finneran reminds me of why some of my friends still call him Brian “ButterFingeran”. Awful job by the WR’s, maybe we should have kept Peerless.

By BAH

September 19, 2005 01:38 PM | Link to this

Go lady Falcon Jen!!… bent over… shaft.. pimp…. ho…. b*h… almost all in one sentence…

Don’t think we are being negative here. This is a blog. So we gripe a bit after a bad loss. So we all put our ‘anlayst’, ‘player’, ‘coach’, or whatever hat on and point out the obvious or propose solutions. But come game day, we are all still our teams biggest fan. Easy on the ‘off the bandwagon’ sayins.

This is what this blog is all about. To hear some opinions from fans.. except your crap - Idiot Todd. Especially since I am not getting much ‘inside’ information from our dedicated sports writers, I expect to read more analytical opinions from you guys.. and gals…

By Jennifer

September 19, 2005 01:51 PM | Link to this

Yep. I try to hand it to our mosquitoes. I’m not flared out by fans doing the gripe. I get a little impatient with “fans” who tank the season after game two. But I don’t blame the gripe. Sheesh, I mean, by the end of the first half I was good and MAD at the team. I didn’t know whether to throw my Steve Maddens (those are shoes, btw) at the TV or out the window or at my husband.

But I was much heartened by the second effort, a couple quarters late and a pass-play short that it was.

By Todd

September 19, 2005 01:51 PM | Link to this

Hey Anthony,

You said, “Come on! Everybody take a deep breath and look at the big picture. We’re 1-1, so are the Jets, Broncos, Panthers, Seahawks, Rams and BOTH Super Bowl teams from last year.”

Jackass, all the teams you mention there (cept 1), won yesterday. Atlanta lost, right!

Also, I keep seeing where you clowns talk about Atlanta playing great 1 1/2 games but I don’t remember anybody saying Philly won the second half Monday. Atlanta was scoreless in the 2nd half.

Pathetic idiots. Reminds me of Auburn’s coach passing out National Championship rings last year. Defiance will make it true, right!

By Trent

September 19, 2005 01:52 PM | Link to this

Seattle was favored by one point. We lost by 3 points. We were two points off the point spread and everyone feels like it’s the end of the world or last year’s Kansas City game. Seattle made the playoffs last year and are a very good home team. Yes, I’m sad we lost, but to write an article that we havent “grown-up” is inmature in itself.

By BAH

September 19, 2005 02:01 PM | Link to this

Anyone know anything about Vick’s injury? Wonder if Steve is working on it?

By C Brown

September 19, 2005 02:03 PM | Link to this

Good article Mr. Moore. I love the Falcons, but as usual they continue to live off past victories. They beat an Eagles team that was w/o their leader by a good hit by our DEFENSE (that won the game for us). If McNabb were at full strength we probably would have lost, but a win is a win! The team goes as the QB does. let’s hope they get focused for this game.

By Pimpin

September 19, 2005 02:10 PM | Link to this

The Falcons showed the world they were over rated. No one wins the super bowl in week 1, and no one loses it in week 2. How bout those high flying Seahawks, I’m changing my pick for the super bowl from ATL, to dem boys from Seattle. The Falcons not only embarrased the great city of Atlanta but the state of Georgia and the Blank family.

By Great Falconi

September 19, 2005 02:24 PM | Link to this

The only thing good to come from this loss is that the team came out in the second half and played like it had a set. Other than that, there’s not much to hang your hat on.

The Falcons are in a strange situation, I think. I think the coaching staff knows that Matt Schaub is a much better passer than Vick. They’d have to be blind/insane not to know that. However, Vick’s legs add so much to the possibilities to the QB position that it’s impossible to take him out of the game. Add to that the man-love between Blank/Mora and Vick and Schaub didn’t stand a chance to enter that last “drive” if Vick wanted to go in.

The fact is Vick has to be able to throw for around 200 yards in order to progress as a QB. It’s not just about decisions. It’s about moving the ball.

I have ESPNEWS on right now and they’re blaming the receivers, “Vick did every he could to win that game”, etc. 19 passing attempts won’t get it done if you can’t run. 11 completions surely won’t get it done if they only amount to 123 yards. I remember watching Jenkins at Ohio State and he seemed to make all the big catches. Maybe McKay brought his “unable to draft a good WR” curse with him to Atlanta? I hope Roddy and Jenkins prove me wrong…soon.

By Jennifer

September 19, 2005 02:24 PM | Link to this

Wow, keep it coming Philly Freqs.

(1) Game 2 (2) Stats: 1-1 (3) History: Playoffs (4) Future: Playoffs and a big fro for MV7

I’ve never seen such a desperate grab for subordination as I have from these Mosquitoes.

Get over yourselves.

Emotional projections by Eagles fans onto a blog they had to Google to find and subscribe to in order to be gnats:

(1) They thought THEY were going to win the Super Bowl this year so after we smack them around a bit they claim that’s what WE thought.

(2) The Falcons are definitely weaker than the Eagles on Offense and they STILL lost. The frustration makes them claim WE’RE the embarrassment.

Sorry. WE are not embarrassed. WE are proud of our team. WE will be happy to have 2 back to back winning seasons. WE would be overjoyed to make it to the Super Bowl. WE would think we’d died and gone to heaven should we win. WE expect good things, even with our tough schedule.

Can you come close to saying the same thing, Mosquito?

By Great Falconi

September 19, 2005 02:28 PM | Link to this

Projected Wyche blog:

Michael Vick tweaked his hamstring Sunday in the Falcons’ road loss to the Seahawks. He’s scheduled to have an MRI Monday.

What will the MRI show? How hurt do you think he is?

By Jennifer

September 19, 2005 02:36 PM | Link to this

Falconi, I think it’s a combo of WR and Vick.

Right, I agree that Vick’s talents aren’t in passing accuracy. We KNOW he’s got arm strength. I think he can be developed into a good passing QB over time, barring injury. Look at Jake Delhomme….how many years did it take him to even make roster? In that time he developed into a decent QB with great leadership skills. So be it with Vick.

I don’t think he’s earned his big contract, though… Not yet.

On WR: Well, if they’re premium WR used to premium QB then they’re mismatched to Vick. I think we need scrappy receivers. I don’t see scrap. Perhaps they can learn to play to Vick’s strengths and weaknesses while he develops. It will make them better receivers overall.

I saw a few passes that I thought were good, a few that stunk. I saw a running game that stayed inside too much. I saw a defensive line that was perfectly matched by an offensive line. I saw a secondary that seemed scattered.

I’m glad they pulled together in the second half. I scratch my head and wonder? Did they just not watch enough tape? What?

By Larry

September 19, 2005 02:37 PM | Link to this

Bring back Dan Reeves, Chris Chandler, Tony Martin and Jamal Anderson now!

By Carlos

September 19, 2005 02:47 PM | Link to this

I am more upset at Gregg Knapp than the Players. The play calling was horrible!!!!especially down the streth. As long as Knapp is the offensive coordinator this team will not reach its potential. The Falcons usually win DESPITE Knapp. Mr. Blank, please hire another offensive coordinator…..

By Matthew

September 19, 2005 02:54 PM | Link to this

Falconi…

Schaub is not a better passer. If he was, he’d be playing.

He has a weak arm, and holds the ball even longer than Vick.

Jen,

Terence Moore, Super-Hypocrite, is on no one’s side but his own.

And to all the bandwagoners…

Please, jump off now. We don’t want you. We don’t need you.

To the idiots in the grammar police… yeah, I made a mistake, and anyone with a modicum of common sense would have been able to know I meant Packers.

It’s a long season, this was game 2. Yes, this team has problems. Yes, the offensive line stinks, they can’t, or won’t, give Vick even 2 steps of a 3 step drop to throw the ball. Yes, Greg Knapp is a s—tty play caller. Until Jim Mora gets fed up, unfortunately, we are saddled with this albatross. Knapp is a much better QB position coach than he is OC. Yes, Keith Brooking is not athletic enough to play weakside linebacker. He should be playing middle. I’m sorry, Dom or Wes (can’t remember), Ed Hartwell is the better athlete. He tackles better and is faster. He’d be better than Brooking at WLB, even if he’s better suited to the middle. Brooking at WLB is a liability. He needs to have the play come to him, not him chase after the play. The coaching staff needs to remedy this ASAFP.

But there are good things as well. We have the best young coach in the NFL (even if he is too loyal to a certain crappy playcaller). Our defense and DC are top notch. Our special teams are vastly better than last year (thanks to an undrafted rookie free agent). Our running game is the game’s best. And our receivers and QB are young (yes, Vick is still young) and learning and growing together, and will only get better.

So, you wanna look like an idiot and talk your s—t in week 1, Scott?

That’s fine. I have some for you, as well.

No team with TO will ever win the Super Bowl.

I don’t care how many passes or TDs he catches. He is a cancer, and will only destroy a team from the inside.

So have fun with that this year. I’ll enjoy the excellent chemistry we have here in Atlanta.

By johna

September 19, 2005 03:02 PM | Link to this

It is what the MRI doesn’t show and what the game film does show is going to hurt Vick. He can not connect deep. If Vick is not mobil don’t even put him in the game. I hope his hamstring injury is not one of those that linger on for a long time. Jenkins needs to get some gloves that have glue on them so he will stop dropping passes. Roddy White looks like he has never played football before and the best wide receiver the Falcons have right now is Finneran. Through the draft and free agency over the past 3 years the best we still have is Finneran. This is not a West Coast offense, I don’t care what they say, to me it looks like a bunch of guys that don’t play well together when they try to throw the ball. One question, why don’t they ever throw it to Dunn in the flats? I thought that was part of the West Coast offense that we are supposedly using.

Don’t get me wrong I support this team, I’m just agitated that the Falcons have talent on offense and they can’t get it together.

By Vick is Sick

September 19, 2005 03:27 PM | Link to this

I wish we would get over all of this and put Vick in at tailback. I love him but he is not smart enough to be an NFL QB (see Jeff George). If we could get Barry Switzer to come and coach the wishbone we would win the SB. Why doesn’t Vick ever talk at length in the media…are they afraid their golden goose would be exposed? I just wonder why the poster child of the NFL never speaks for any period of time on any subject….Manning is everywhere….where is Vick????

By Ron Mexico

September 19, 2005 03:28 PM | Link to this

Gotta love that Jennifer is happy with back-to-back winning seasons & just a trip to Super Bowl. Real football cities (Pittsburgh, NY, Philly, NE, Dallas, Green Bay, heck even San Fran & Tampa) expect nothing short of a champion! Notice that all of the above have had multiple back-to-back winning seasons. But hey, what should we expect from a city in the SOUTH that builds a DOME to play football! Are sub-70 degree temps too much for the falcon fans to handle? Props to Tampa, Jacksonville, Tennessee & Miami for gettin it right!

By Jennifer

September 19, 2005 03:54 PM | Link to this

Are we talking about Domes in southern cities? You mean like New Orleans, my home town?

Yeah, those domes are terrible things in places where the weather can be be very violent.

“Real fans expect more.”

I don’t disagree with that. The Falcons have never had back-to-back winning seasons. I expect this will change. That is more.

By Paul Hamilton

September 19, 2005 04:40 PM | Link to this

While I still believe we have a very good team and we will have a great season. What a poor,poor performance by the offense in the first half. I wonder who made the call that the offense was going to take the first half off. They basically just turned their back on our defense and with the knowledge that we lost our 3rd and 4th dbacks and a starting dlineman. The defense played the entire first half, while the offense was sitting on the bench resting. It should be the exact opposite. You really cant fault the defense for wearing down through the second half. Even with a little effort from the offense in controling the clock probably would have won the game for us, they just didnt show up at all in the first half. They really should be ashamed of their performance, I would say their paycheck is plenty reason to get up/excited for each and every game. No excuses!

By GT

September 19, 2005 04:43 PM | Link to this

This game was a set up the moment it appeared on the calendar. We have to play what most people consider the best team in the NFC and then take a jet ride on a short week about as far as we can go and still be in the original 48 to play a team that is not that bad. We could have easily been 0-2 at this point. Who would you rather lose to Seattle or Philly. I mean look at the trolling trash we have to listen to from mega mouth yankee bozos as it is and that’s after we kicked their not ready for prime time asses. If we had lost to those “last one that leaves Philly turn the lights out” jerks it would be worse than having to read Moore. As for the Dome, I’ll take our chances playing in your place that God forgot if you want to come down here and play in our heat like real men, not Eskimos. Do they even play high school football in the NE? I know they don’t play college ball up there. Where then do they get the players. That would be from us. That’s right you sit and watch with those beer guts at about 9 months, while we put on the show, so sit down and shut the hell up.

By DbleD23

September 19, 2005 04:58 PM | Link to this

You people wanna blame everything except the right thing, this STUPID sorry a__ defense. What about the way Hall ‘shut down’ Darrell Jackson? I mean, that 8 catches for 131 yards was very comparable to the 7 for 112 TO kille dhim for, I mean shut him down for, HAHA!!!! Did anyone see Brookings piling on a tackle by jumping up and down? Where is Hartwell? Kerney never shows up until Coleman is having a killer game.

By sugarlee

September 19, 2005 06:26 PM | Link to this

Well, well well. The Falcons lost a game. Wow. I can’t believe it. When I read these comments on the board, I am so glad you guys are not the coaches. You would be totally lost after a lost. One guy says he loves the falcons more than anyone, another says he’s had season tickets for 10 years. They both sound like they’re ready to jump ship. Michael Vick didn’t have a great game but he had a good game. He always has a good game by his standards. Michael Vicks game is so good, you will watch him til the end of the game. You just can’t help it. Because you know you’re going to see some good football, and when I say good football, don’t forget there’s two teams on the field, you know you’re going to see excitement, and most of the time you going to see victory for the falcons. As good as the falcons are, you know they’re good enough to win eleven or twelve games with this so called tough schedule everybody worried about. When are you guys going to realize this is an elite team here. One lost doesn’t keep you from getting to the Superbowl. Not two, three, four or even five. That’s a hellava cushine for a team like this. Personally, I only see them losing three more games. So stop trippin’. Just keep cheerin’ and pushin ‘em on Mr.season tickey holder, stay behind your team Mr. Luv-em-a-lot. We hope that they can tighten up some things, and they will. But it’s far far from over Y’all. Do me a favor and ask your lady if you pass the ball great everynight. if you know what I mean :) She still hasn’t left your sorry a*.

By vik

September 19, 2005 06:46 PM | Link to this

hold up. hold up. someone said schaub is a better passer than vick. lets get one thing straight, i would rather vick have his arm than anyone elses in history. r u guys get crack from pizza hut or something. if people like jenkins could catch the ball, vick would pass more and throw for 250 yds easily. that one pass to jenkins was a sure touchdown but it slipped right through his hands. no one can make the ball fly like vick made it on that play. certainly not schaub, u crackheads.

vick, alone is the ultimate falcons experience. without him, no fans outside of atlanta would give a damb about anything concerning falcons football. u guys can write that down. go on. ill give u a couple of seconds.

i know for a fact that anyone who bashes vick has an under-average iq. if u cant see how vick carries the team (at times by himself even) you’re just plain ignorant, like murphy is about the fact that mormonism isn’t advocated by Jesus or the bible.

Personally, on a scale of 1-10, my interest in the falcons bv (before vick) was like a 3.5. AV, it jumped to 10 (and is reaching off the scale towards 11). im sure many people feel the same way.

waaahhh, shaub is a better quarterback. are u freakin retarded. u definetly must be. thank goodness idiotic opinions like yours dont count.

when i say retarded, i mean like your mental growth was retarded (held back). most probably from all the mushrooms u grew from dung and then smoked. R u people jealous or something.

one last point, what other quarterback could have led the falcons to victory over the eagles. shaub? if shaub started the philly’s d would have scored at least 3 times and the falcons d would have given up at least that many td’s. idiots, get at least a middle school education and then comment

By Kudzu

September 19, 2005 06:50 PM | Link to this

Dang defense stepped it up in the 2nd half. I dare say it wouldn’t have been 21-0 at the half if the offense new some other plays beside “three and out”. Offense sucks! Maybe we’ll get over this hero worship some day and figure out how to play consistent football. Just gripes me that our superstar (do no wrong) quarterback, can’t do better than this. He’s got it made. It will always be somebody else’s fault, that’s probably what Blank told him yesterday.

By seahawk don

September 19, 2005 07:22 PM | Link to this

I was at the game and you had guys open all day.I will admit nobody looks better than Vick in ads.Seahawks are in big trouble when we play a team with a quarterback like Bulger etc.

By Lawton

September 19, 2005 08:10 PM | Link to this

First of all, win are people gonna realize that Greg Knapp and that west coast crap doesnt fit Michael Vick. Why would you put someone with a ARM in a dump it off and quick slant offense? Montana was good at it because he didnt have the big arm like a Elway or Marino. Bret Favre to me is the only quarterback with a big arm who can blossom in this type of offense because favre has limited running ability and he can read defenses (even though he tries to force it). Vick needs to be in a playaction offense with a deep threat receiver like Randy Moss. I knew the Falcons were finished when they didnt get Moss. They should be a power running team with a deep threat wide receiver in a conventional offense. that west coast crap aint crap and bogs down too much. the offensive line cant block on the pass because all they are taught is how to hold on the running plays.

By GTIronman

September 19, 2005 08:22 PM | Link to this

Matthew - You’re out of your mind! We’ve got to get rid of Knapp and bring Fridgeren in from Maryland.

By wes

September 19, 2005 08:57 PM | Link to this

I don’t know about ya’ll, but I really enjoyed that last run up the middle on first down. Doesn’t get much more clever than that when you need one last score, right?

I mean, it was such a good call. It really had worked out great for the Falcons all day…pounding Dunn up the middle like that. Wow, great call!

And Matthew is right about bringing Brooking back to MLB. How has #56 been most effective this year? If I recall correctly, it’s blitzing up the bleeping middle!

C’mon Falcs, GET IT TOGETHER!!!!

By Jeff

September 19, 2005 10:17 PM | Link to this

Lawton, I’m with you. I’m not so sure this west coast offense is for Vick. He mas progressing so well under Reeves. I think Reeves’ system worked well for Vick.

But they do say it takes three years. Hopefully, he’ll be more proficient next year.

By South Georgia Fan

September 19, 2005 10:24 PM | Link to this

I seem to remember at least one missed long ball by Jenkins and an overthrow by Vick on a very similar route. Either would have gone for a big gain and could have been a turning point. However, the frustration is understandable. We went back to the same route after Vick overthrew him and the result was a sack. My seven year old predicted the outcome…..perhaps he should be in the press box.

If Vick doesn’t come along soon in his total development as a player, that write-off on Price will look like a rounding error when it comes to losing a 100mm man. No wonder Blank consoles him.

By Peerless' Mama

September 19, 2005 11:23 PM | Link to this

Mr. Cafaro,

You are rude and an idiot.

GO COWBOYS!!

By Todd

September 20, 2005 07:57 AM | Link to this

LOL. Check that.

Just like last year. Vick’s QB rating falls after Monday night football.

He was 21/32 yesterday. He is 23/32 today.

It matters idiots. Why? Because all the money being dumped on this glorified tailback could be put to better use and maybe a real superbowl chance.

It appears that Fox (channel 4) sure is pro Vick. Is Fox (channel 4) local or national. I know FoxNews (cable) is and I thought channel 4 is too but they pump Vick up way too much. I will never watch another football game on Fox. A freaking commercial on every other play, it seemed like.

By Anthony

September 20, 2005 08:47 AM | Link to this

Hey Todd,

What’s your point? Okay so every team I mentioned won Sunday…sweet; that still makes them 1-1 by my basic math. My point was stating that everybody needs to calm down because a lot of teams are 1-1.

If that went over your head, let me know, I’ll try something else.

And come at me with a something a little better than a fifth grade name and an obvious comment would ya? You’re better than that man…

By Anthony

September 20, 2005 08:52 AM | Link to this

Hey Todd,

Who’s your team hoss?

By Philip

September 20, 2005 10:00 AM | Link to this

Reality bites…

The offensive line is pathetic. Vick is pathetic…not that I think Schaub is the savior because with that offensive line he will get killed too. The secondary, aside from a maturing Hall, is pathetic. The front seven on defense couldn’t stuff a paper bag let alone stop a good running team. The Falcons have good speed on defense so a lateral running attack like the Eagles will not work, but north-south, smashmouth running football will work. That doesn’t bode well for us when we face divisional opponents. Maybe, just maybe the Falcons will finally address the line on both sides of the ball this off season. The teams that are consistently successful have good offensive lines and defensive lines…Patriots, Steelers, and Panthers.

It’s going to be a long season with the rough schedule that the Falcons have, but I’ll still support them. However, I still can’t help, but wonder what our team would be like if we had drafted LT and Brees instead of Vick…and in subsequent drafts picked up some linemen.

As for those that think we would be better off with a different offensive coordinator…wake up and smell the coffee. It doesn’t matter what type of offense the Falcons use Vick can’t read defenses or make accurate passes…at least at this point in his career. Of course now in his 5th season how many more kitchen passes are we going to give this guy by saying he’s still “learning.”

I see that Rob D talking his usual nonsense. The Falcons went to the Super Bowl with Chris Chandler. If you let Vick be Vick this team will never be anything more than a glorified option team that can’t make it to the Super Bowl. The only reason for hope right now is that the NFC is so weak. The Falcons wouldn’t even be a playoff team if they were in the AFC.

By Jennifer

September 20, 2005 11:09 AM | Link to this

I disagree with your assessment on our front 7.

By Todd

September 20, 2005 12:06 PM | Link to this

Vick Tops NFL in Bad Decisions

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=joynerkc&id=2153038&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3djoynerkc%26id%3d2153038

Anthony, I don’t have a team. That is so freakin immature that you have to root for a team to evaluate the farce called Michael Vick. Also, it is immature to ride a person for their name. Why waste thread space gooberface?

By Jennifer

September 20, 2005 01:15 PM | Link to this

Todd, it’s pretty obnoxious to call Vick a farce. I’m pretty confident in the fact that he’s up there next to or above Lance Armstrong in “Freaks of Athletic Nature”. I’m sure you’ve heard about the studies of Armstrong’s physiology and how his ability to generate ATP and work in anaerobic conditions, etc, has never before been seen. I have no doubts we’d see something similarly outstanding in Vick.

no one here argues that his passing ability is great. But, he’s 25. Jake Delhomme was a lot older before he got it right. Some QB’s come out the stocks with bang up polish. Then you have others who have more potential than anything…that’s Vick.

Imagine if you got the change to start with the most and fiercest amount of athletic talent and ability ever seen and you go the chance to shape it into whatever you want. That’s Vick.

Please stop being so obnoxious and obtusely WRONG about your point.

By Jennifer

September 20, 2005 01:18 PM | Link to this

I should say I’m confident in the idea, not fact, since there are really few facts in the world….

By RealBirdz

September 20, 2005 01:33 PM | Link to this

This is some seriously funny sh*t, BTW!!

After NFL Week 2, Falcons fans already realize - deep-down - that with Vick’s inconsistency week-in & week-out, they are cheering for a team destined - yet again - to play second, third or fourth fiddle in the NFC. The Eagles, Panthers AND Bucs will all finish with better records than the Falcons.

Now, tell me I’m wrong in an intelligent manner. Jennifer, that leaves you out, so spare me your toilet mouth.

Thanks. :-)

By GT - Let it Goooo

September 20, 2005 01:52 PM | Link to this

GT,

Aren’t we a wee bit bitter this week? What’s the matter? Coming sllloooowwwllly to the realization that the Falcons will NOT be good enough this year - again?!

Come back and talk your anti-Philly bullsh*t in January, after either:

a) The Falcons get smoked once again by the Eagles at the Linc (If the Falcons show up, it will happen again, bro’)

b) They get spanked by the Panthers before even reaching the NFC Championship Game (my personal favorite) - or

c) They get reamed by the Bucs (a distinct possibility)

What you fail to realize, or choose to ignore(?) is the fact that most good defenses will shut Mike Vick down. For instance, if he plays, let’s see how he does against the Bills……

And just think, y’all had almost finalized your post-Super Bowl parade route and festivities last Tuesday morning.

By Jennifer

September 20, 2005 01:52 PM | Link to this

Funny. I went to the Eagles boards and found the same kind of crap from YOUR fans about YOUR team after MNF. What does that say about anything?

By the way, using my sailor’s dictionary to make my point doesn’t denigrate the content of my arguement unless you’re a freakin wilting flower.

I thought you were leaving….?

By Jim

September 20, 2005 02:09 PM | Link to this

vik, you can’t spell your own name … it’s VICK! And you say we should at least have a middle school education before pos ting … did you graduate cum laud in pre-school … or would they just not admit you to kindergarten?

By Todd

September 20, 2005 02:26 PM | Link to this

Jennifer,

To compare Vick to Lance or Jake is a reach and you know it. Both of them have been done that. Vick has not even been close evidenced by the Philly beating last season.

And Jake Delhomme was never rammed down our throats like Vick has been. Vick is one idiotic, brainless run from being seriously hurt. We all know it. Why don’t you?

Read ESPN’s article above and refute it. hmmm girl on AJC blog or ESPN reporter? Which might have a clue and be able to support that clue? I wonder.

By Todd

September 20, 2005 02:27 PM | Link to this

Jennifer,

To compare Vick to Lance or Jake is a reach and you know it. Both of them have been there, done that. Vick has not even been close evidenced by the Philly beating last season.

And Jake Delhomme was never rammed down our throats like Vick has been. Vick is one idiotic, brainless run from being seriously hurt. We all know it. Why don’t you?

Read ESPN’s article above and refute it. hmmm girl on AJC blog or ESPN reporter? Which might have a clue and be able to support that clue? I wonder.

By UGA Fan

September 20, 2005 02:45 PM | Link to this

Moore - I think you are a racist boob.

By Jennifer

September 20, 2005 03:19 PM | Link to this

Todd, sorry, I can’t read the article because I don’t have a subcription for ESPNInsider. I can only read the teaser, which is about two paragraphs long.

HOWEVER, it appears that this reporter has created a scoring algorythm. Now….everyone here who knows me, and there’s pleny, they know I do math for a living.

Just for example, we know about the BCS Standings. First, we know it’s computer calculated. It’s also scoring algorythm. You probably know that it is made up of three main parts, using the USA Today Coaches Poll, the Harris Interactive College Football Poll and an average of six computer rankings (Anderson & Hester, Richard Billingsley, Colley Matrix, Kenneth Massey, Jeff Sagarin and Peter Wolfe). The three parts are assigned equal weights (now here is an assumption that is based on what?).

First, I can’t find where the BCS formula has EVER been mathematically validated. Second, that might be obvious by observing the large scale dissatisfaction with it and controversey surrounding it.

So, if you mean to say that a decision tree or scoring algorythm that a sports REPORTER invented, without subjecting it to testing and validation, is going mean jack over my own freaking eyes then you must be nothing but a sheep. BAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Besides, what I said was that Vick is undeniably athletically talented. I also said that he needs much maturing. So, in conclusion, yes he’s not a great QB but yes he can become one.

I don’t have to see the rest of that article to know that Mr ESPN Reporter’s algorythm addresses my first conclusion but, by definition, does not address my second.

So, I ask you again to stop being so obnoxious and to stop being so obtusely WRONG.

By Anthony

September 20, 2005 03:19 PM | Link to this

Todd,

Uh? Who’s name did I ride? I was talking about you calling me a Jackass (a fifth grade name), not your actual name (Todd), LOL!

Did I strike a deep down nerve with your mix up?!

I was about to write back a comment to you, but after you mixing that up and you calling me “gobberface” I think I’ll just find something more constructive to do with my time than battle with you considering you don’t even have a team and you spend your time ripping the Falcons just because you know it will get people fired up.

Haha, oh man, I kind of feel sorry for you now…poor little bugger…

…fifth grade name, Todd, that’s awesome how bad you missed that!

Go Falcons, I’m done with everybody who comes out of the woodwork after a loss, it’s amazing!

By Jennifer

September 20, 2005 03:38 PM | Link to this

I found a great paper that describes what the BCS does: http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/rsfc/rate/papers/BethelRank.pdf

It describes the methodology as well as its limitations, which are many.

Here we have a logically based way of scoring teams, which is flawed and controversial. But somehow, some off-the-cuff opinion-based rub on the magic lamp method is supposed to mean anything to anyone. Right.

By Jennifer

September 20, 2005 03:40 PM | Link to this

http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/rsfc/rate/papers/BethelRank.pdf

Sorry, I didn’t get the whole link in the last post.

By Jennifer

September 20, 2005 03:43 PM | Link to this

Damn it! It still won’t post the whole link.

Try this

By T.J.

September 20, 2005 06:11 PM | Link to this

Mr. Moore,

Let me congratulate you on another phenomenal article. Once again you show the clairvoyance in your article which only a stellar scribe such as yourself has the ability to bring forth.

I agree, the Falcons team that took the field Sunday was not the Falcons who were scheduled to play the Seahawks. Rather the team that took the field in Seattle was the team that had vanquished the Eagles on Monday night the previous week.

Who is to take the culpability for this debacle? No longer do the naysayers have their favorite scapegoat, Peerless Price, to lay blame.

The blame has to be bestowed on the coaching staff for not having the team energized to face the Seahawks when they took the field. It does not matter what plays were called and what defensive schemes were used if the players themselves fail to execute.

If Vick fails to prosper under the system, they should do a better job of teaching it to him. If Vick is not the type of player for the system, then it is the coach’s job to put in a system from which he will prosper. Same goes for the receivers, offensive line, and defense.

The power has shifted from being a player’s league to a coach’s league. The players in the N.F.L. are pretty much the crème de la crème college football has to offer, evened out by the salary cap. It is the coach’s responsibility to take this talent, teach them the fundamentals to make them better, get them to play as a team, and get the team motivated to play. On Sunday Mike Holmgren did the better job and his team was the victor because of it.

Mora on the other hand failed to properly inspire his troupes after the extreme high of beating the Eagles and they had the classic let down so many teams which are learning to be winners succumb to.

I am not saying Mora is a bad coach or unable to take the Falcons to the next level, but he is a young head coach and just like Vick, he has to learn his position also. He also has to learn to be a winner and instill that mindset into his players.

Hopefully for Falcons fans, Mora will learn this then grow and mature with Vick, thus bringing Atlanta many memorable seasons to come.

By Jennifer

September 20, 2005 06:22 PM | Link to this

Thank you, TJ, nice commentary.

While I’m not sure if you’re 100% correct in your assessment of what went wrong, I am in total agreement of what needs to happen for things to go right.

One point you’ve made is how most, if not all, NFL players are the creme of the crop from college. Since it’s unlikely for the balance of good and bad players to be tipped heavily to any one team I would suggest that many of the nasty comments towards specific players must be unfounded. Therefore, the problem lie with cohesiveness, which is the responsibility of coaches first and players second.

So, for the Falcons to succeed, Mora must get to the top of his learning curve quickly. The players must respond to him.

Last season we saw the team progress in this manner. I want to see it again.

By Todd

September 21, 2005 01:18 AM | Link to this

Jennifer,

Funny you chose the BCS to refute ESPN’s methodology vs the QB rating. By design? Surely you don’t believe your audience is that guliable. You must be an Auburn grad.

2004 Season: Both superbowl QBs finished in the top 10 based on QB rating. Vick finished 21.

2003 Season: Both superbowl QBs finished in the top 15. Vick has never finished in the top 15.

Vick injured (not passing, but trying to run) early in season and was not rated.

2002 Season: Both superbowl QBs finished in the top 5.

QB rating vs BCS to refute methodologies. hhhmmm

Vick has been in the NFL what 5 years now. Just when is he going to materialize. Again for you to compare Jake Delhomme and Vick is just silly. Jake was never heralded like Vick has been. The bench mark for Vick was, from the onset, much higher. Has he lived up to it? Stop laughing.

Because Atlanta got close last year means absolutely squat on Vicks resume at this point. Chandler got there, got crushed and had a losing season the next year. Would anybody claim Chandler a great QB? Once Vick consistently comes close to living up to the hype then your claims of his great potential will be demonstrated.

But let’s see. 2003 hurt while trying to run. 2005 hurt while trying to run. If he can’t run and can’t throw what is the great potential you speak of?

By Todd

September 21, 2005 01:33 AM | Link to this

I have not read all the posts here, but I have yet to see any of the fans admit that the Seahawhs have a reputation of second half letdowns which FOX kept saying over and over and over again.

Did Atlanta play that well or did Seattle stop playing? Both could be said and if so, it would tend to negate the enthuisiam about how wonderful Atlanta was in the second half. Wouldn’t it?

By Jennifer

September 21, 2005 02:07 AM | Link to this

Todd, good lord you’re up late. I have to be, working on a project (more of that math stuff I make my living at).

Choosing the BCS to refute the don’t-look-now-while-I-do-the-bait-and-switch-behind-my-back hocus pocus of a REPORTER? Yep.

For one, and you seem to have failed to notice this, I used the BCS as an ANALOGY of how something rooted in mathematics is faulty so therefore something rooted in the biased opinion of a single individual (which is undeniable as all opinion is biased) will likely be faulty.

I’d love to see where your sugar daddy has shown his decision tree to be meaningful.

Oh, wait, you pulled up stats on a single QB’s ratings. That tells me….nothing. Passer Rating is calculated using each quarterback’s completion percentage, passing yardage, touchdowns and interceptions.

I need something called an OUTCOME in order to discuss the “does-it-really-matter” role of passing ability. In football that outcome is the result of the competition. It’s got two possible values…Win or Loss. You can represent it as a percent of total competition, if you want.

So your’re chronological listing of his passer rating is MEANINGLESS.

Have we not established that we all agree that Vick is not an accomplished passer? YES.

Your point seems to be that he never will be. There is no evidence of that. I used Jake Delhomme as an example. Why? Because he was undrafted and went years playing on practice squads, in Europe, etc, all the while getting the odd shot, and failing, in an NFL game. Then suddenly at the age of 29 he makes it. It took him 7 years to mature into a viable NFL quarterback. His existence is evidence that it could possible take Vick some time to mature into his role…hype or not.

You seem to have lost focus. You start talking about Chandler, etc. Different owner, different coach, different TEAM. We only have one player left from that error. So, I’m not sure what bringing that up is supposed to say about 2004 and 2005 Falcons.

And hurt while running? ARe you talking about his broken leg vs a pulled hammy? See, now you’re doing what is called REACHING. And waaaaaaaaaay off point.

(1) Is Vick a great QB? No, but he is a great football player. (2) Will Vick be a great QB? That remains to be seen. Evidence points to yes.

Then you switch to some made up idea that Seattle has a rep (after 1 game, huh?) of collapsing in the second half. Which, if you watched the game, then it’s obvious that they played as well in the second half as in the first. And then you question our enthusiasm, as fans?

If you read other sports sites they will tell you how Atlanta played decent in the first quarter, collapsed in the second, and came back with a vengeance in the whole second half. Seattle played with consistency, and that’s why they won.

I must ask, what is your motivation in coming here and trying to take down an entire team of fans? You must realize that you alone cannot accomplish this. It’s futile. You’re wasting your time. And you know that eventually you will come here less frequently until you disappear altogether. You do realize that? So, why bother with this nonsense?

By UGA Fan

September 21, 2005 09:16 AM | Link to this

I think we should spend some time revisiting whether or not we think Mr. Moore is a racist boob. Moore has carried on and on about how UGA fans were waiting/hoping for DJ Shockley to fail because he’s black. Well, Mr. Moore I’ve been to almost all the UGA home games since Shockley signed and has played for my school and only seen and heard support for DJ. All true UGA fans and alums hope DJ does exceptionally this year and will support him to the end as we have always done. Perhaps you should stick to writing about topics you might know something about, though at present I’m hard pressed to think of what that might be, other than how the white man has held the black man down.

By The Truth

September 21, 2005 09:39 AM | Link to this

One of MANY in the national media saying the same thing. Can you see clearly now…?

At the end of the day … order had been restored in the universe. Well, at least in the NFC. The last two NFC champions, Carolina and Philadelphia, are among the favorites (you can throw Atlanta in there, too, if you’d like) to represent the conference in Super Bowl XL. Many prognosticators have one or the other winning in Detroit. But both lost their openers last week, and there they were Sunday, perhaps not panicking, but standing on the edge of a dreaded hole named 0-2 that only two teams (Dallas in 1993 and New England in 2001) have escaped and gone on to win the title. Eagles QB Donovan McNabb took a helmet to the chest in last Monday’s loss at Atlanta, leaving his status for Week 2 in question. And there were doubts whether the Eagles had completely put their tumultuous offseason behind them. The Panthers, meanwhile, lost by three at home to the inspired Saints, lost DT Kris Jenkins in the process and had defending world champion New England coming to town. Carolina, which climbed out of a 1-7 crater last year to contend for the playoffs, was poised to stumble out of the blocks yet again. After Sunday, though, we can wait a while before we worry about these two teams again. Both clubs made statements Sunday, winning games they “had” to win, if a Week 2 game can hold such importance. The Eagles crushed the 49ers, though the ease with which they did so may say more about the level of competition than it does Philly’s level of execution. And the Panthers held off the Patriots to avoid dropping two straight at home to start the year. When you knock off a team, a dynasty, that has lost just four games in two seasons — and do so by 10 points — simply put, that’s saying something. Speaking of verbal communication, there was something of a major development toward the end of the Eagles-49ers game: McNabb and Terrell Owens spoke cordially. To each other! And based on their expressions, they seemed to enjoy the conversation. Sure their personal relationship probably is dysfunctional, at best, but there is no denying how well they function together on the field. Sunday, McNabb tied his career high with five touchdown passes, two of which went to T.O. If they stay healthy, each should again merit MVP consideration and lead Philly to another division title. If the Eagles are the NFC’s version of the Patriots in terms of philosophy, Carolina is the equal to the champs in terms of physical toughness. On offense and defense, the Panthers are just plain aggressive. Nasty, even. QB Jake Delhomme is a poor man’s Tom Brady in the way Carolina’s offense and team responds to him. You can’t explain how he makes plays. He just does. Leave it at that. With the Vikings and Packers 0-2 and the Falcons having been grounded by the Seahawks, the hierarchy of the NFC stands as it did before the season started: It’s still the Eagles, Panthers — maybe the Falcons — and everyone else.

By UGA fan

September 21, 2005 09:44 AM | Link to this

I think we should spend some time revisiting whether or not we think Mr. Moore is a racist boob. Moore has carried on and on about how UGA fans were waiting/hoping for DJ Shockley to fail because he’s black. Well, Mr. Moore I’ve been to almost all the UGA home games since Shockley signed and has played for my school and only seen and heard support for DJ. All true UGA fans and alums hope DJ does exceptionally this year and will support him to the end as we have always done. Perhaps you should stick to writing about topics you might know something about, though at present I’m hard pressed to think of what that might be, other than how the white man has held the black man down.

By Todd

September 21, 2005 10:04 AM | Link to this

Jennifer,

Boy you are slippery.

Sure I will disappear when I make you out the pathetic fan you really are which according to your rambling goobledeegook (I am sure you are aware of what that means. Let me help. wordy and generally unintelligible jargon usually meant to try and confuse) I am not to far from doing.

Again, you chose to use the BCS as your analogy. We know that. We know that rather than choose the QB rating which for the last 3 years has done a pretty job in predicting the superbowl QBs you chose one of the most hated, most questioned methodologies around. Why did you choose the BCS. Again, by design.

You keep harping and harping and harping (your husband says this alot, right) about Jake. Show me where the expectations for Jake were anywhere near the expectations for Michael. Stop avoiding me on this. When is the heralded Mike going to deliver which according to all press should be now, not 7 years into his stint.

You said, ” You seem to have lost focus. You start talking about Chandler, etc. Different owner, different coach, different TEAM.” Well, you got me there. I guess I cannot compare any QB to Vick except the QBs currently on the Falcons, right? Please everybody stop laughing at her.

So, Jennifer, you are saying you did not hear the anchors repeatedly say that Seattle has frequently collasped in the 2nd half. To go along with your evasive technique above. Maybe this is a completely new Seattle team (all new coaches and players) and we can’t draw a correlation to previous collaspes and this years collaspes.

Jennifer, have some balls. Step up and stop dodging the questions or do you have a headache.

By Jennifer

September 21, 2005 03:46 PM | Link to this

First, you plan to come here, to my team’s blog every day until you force me to do something? Right.

Second, pathetic fan? And that’s why you can’t get me to get off the Falcons’s bandwagon? Is it so obvious from my voluminous and rambling posts that my appreciation for the team is fading? I’d better fix that….

Third, what the hell do you mean “by design”? Did I design something? Did you? A construct of some part of the arguement? See, now you have lost me.

Fourth, you’ve repeatedly missed my analogy with the BCS. I suspect this is deliberate. Your own version of those smoke and mirrors you accuse me of. Because my use of the BCS as an analogy was to point out the dumbness of using your pet sports reporter’s rating system. Somehow you got lost on QB ratings. My bad for taking the bait to point out why QB ratings also suck.

Bottom line, these methods of rating a team or a QB don’t always say much about the success or failure of the team. Case in point: The Falcons. Vick’s QB rating wasn’t good, yet the Falcons won the NFC South. Hmmmm.

Five, you’ve got this thing about hype. And you accuse me of equating Delhomme and Vick based on that. More subterfuge by you. No one alive in America would argue that Vick is superhyped. It’s obvious that my equation was directed towards maturity as a QB. Just to show that it is indeed possible to for a QB to take time to mature. The point is on maturity of the player. Say it over and over until you can think of it over the work hype when considering the point of my arguement.

You seem to think that hype must have some sort of effect on the ability of a player to improve, which is peculiar, really.

I don’t know anything about Seattle’s season last year, late losses or whatever. But anyone with two working eyes in their head could see they had no consistency problems last week. They were even consistent with the penalties. I asked you, did you watch the game?

And please, don’t ask the people on this board to stop laughing at ME. This is our board and I keep handing your a* to you on a platter. For some reason, I suspect it’s male ego, you keep coming back for more spankings. Couple this with your suggestion that I obtain a set of balls and I know you’re out of your league. The idea that “balls” are needed is absurd. Honey, exactly what would I do with them? Crush them in my fist? Wait, I did that with yours.

By Todd

September 21, 2005 04:38 PM | Link to this

Jennifer,

Like I said, you are one slippery person. Why do you continue your rant and avoid answering the simplest of questions?

Now you are reduced to flat out lies, but are too stupid to not put it in print.

You said “I don’t know anything about Seattle’s season last year, late losses or whatever.” But you have eluded to the fact that watched the game. Again, you did not hear the anchors repeatedly mention Seattle’s collaspes last year. Sure you did but have yet to own up to it, going as far as saying you don’t know anything.

As far as Vick’s maturity is concerned. Sounds like you don’t have the courage to hold the man accountable now. Why is it that these manly attributes I speak of are not part of your character? Fact is, if you did hold him accountable, you’d look pretty silly defending the Falcons but lambasting its leader, so you sheepishly join the heard.

Also, you said “Third, what the hell do you mean “by designâ€?? Did I design something? Did you? A construct of some part of the arguement? See, now you have lost me.” Does that playing stupid work with your husband? Is he stupid enough to buy into that? Wait, I know the answer! He was stupid enough to marry you, so anything goes with him huh.

So Jen Jen, for us to debate the farce called Vick, you need to step up and stop hiding, lying and playing stupid.

By FalconW810

September 21, 2005 05:19 PM | Link to this

Michael Jenkins and Roddy White will be a fine set of receivers for this team, way too soon to criticize Jenkins on dropped balls, at least the dude got open to drop the thing, which is more than you could say for the guys who started ahead of him last yerar. Hopefully he’ll settle down and show his stuff. Roddy has too much talent to be just ok, this guy is a very aggresive and strong receiver, with a swagger this offense needs. I think this team needs to abandon this theory of not wasting high draft picks on O-linemen. Why pay a QB tons of money and not pay protection fees. Knapp is not the answer, the play calling leaves little room fo guess work. How long do you blame the newness of the system before you start to look at the offensive coordinator, this guy’s job is to correct whatever is wrong with team on the O-side, whether it’s Vick not reading defenses or Vick not learning the playbook, playbook or not, I think Vick is not understanding what he sees on the other side of the ball, how many times have my boy changed plays at the line? Not often. As many times he’s been sacked you’d think he could smell a blitz from the huddle. I’m a Vick fan, but I think Knapp and whoever needs to work more with Vick on getting him to read a pass rush. The great QBs do not throw helments when the game is on the line.

By K W

September 21, 2005 06:25 PM | Link to this

A no name team with a name brand QB…

That’s what it should read in front of the GA dome. This guy (Vick) is the face of the NFL for the past 2 years almost and he can’t get it done thru the air but he wins games. As a winner he is proven, but as a passer not just yet. I think that because of his star status he and coaching staff have not committed to enhancing his QB PASSING skills to elite status (which you all say he is capable of)

What most of you dismiss as hate or unnecessary criticism ironically is smacking right in your face now. See you cannot depend on having your speed forever especially after 25yrs old. That’s why being a real QB is such a big deal. Vick came back out on the field and tried to make a comback playing hurt which takes heart and balls. But let’s face it he had a slight hamstring pull and the coach knowing Vick can’t pass to save his teams life pulled him out instead of saying “stay in the pocket and try to get rid of the ball quickly…” This is such a major issue and I find it funny how all these Vick riders seem to think its not a big deal when you have a QB that is more RB. Realize that the average life span of a good RB is 4-8 years with only 50% of those years being quality seasons (1200+ yards). No that’s scary.

By Jennifer

September 21, 2005 07:32 PM | Link to this

Wow, Todd, you are so whipped you’re reduced to insults. AND, you’re making character references you cannot afford!

First you call me stupid, then you say I’m playing stupid. Which is it?

First, you and I both KNOW that I am not stupid. To say otherwise is simply ridiculous. It’s obvious that neither one of us is unintelligent. So, please, going there is just backhanded.

No, I did NOT hear the anchors say ANYTHING about Seattle. I WATCHED the game on TV while listening to the play-by-play from 92.9 DAVE FM. That’s how I always watch, if I can, unless Tim Green is commentating. Speaking of not answering questions..DID YOU WATCH THE ENTIRE GAME?

There is NO courage involved here. None is needed as this is football and not life. I don’t need to hold Vick accountable to anything except helping the team to win. It is what it is. I’ve said it again and again. He’s not a great passer, but I think he will be one. Based on his enormous athletic talent I think maturity will see him to becoming a great QB (barring a career ending injury, of course).

Thing is, I can criticize my team while still being a fan and thinking it’s a very solid team. Of course, that’s possible. Again, it’s just incorrect to suggest otherwise. No on thinks that black and white. Please, tell me, who is YOU team? Do you never criticize them? You do realize that there is no perfect team, only the best team (Patriots).

And why would I ever want manly attributes? Who said having manly attributes was a GOOD thing over having womanly ones? Geesh!

And really, I am totally lost on the whole design thing. I have no idea what you’re referencing so why don’t you spell that one out for me.

Next time you rebut, stay away from the words lie and stupid. You’re only using them to try to make me angry and bait me somehow. As it is, I don’t think you really care about this arguement, about Vick’s potential or the Falcon’s standing, any more. I think you’re just here because it will kill you to not have the last word. And I think me being female makes it worse, based on your comments.

I mean, come on, by the end you’re reduced to making insulting accusations about my character based on my opinion of a quarterback and about my husband who has never posted here. You’re flailing about.

Try and do this without the attempts at distraction.

Here is the arguement: Vick is overrated and he will never make a good QB.

Here’s a second: The falcons are not a solid team and cannot win without Vick.

Stick to that.

Notice, however, that the second arguement contradicts the first.

By Jennifer

September 21, 2005 07:40 PM | Link to this

KW, I don’t disagree with you at all. In fact, I tend to think that Vick’s passing abilities will be developed necessarily, much like every athlete develops new skills to accomodate aging and remain effective.

The thing is, I think he will do it. I think he’s got it in him.

I don’t think too many Falcons fans disagree that he’s not a good passer yet. We all just love how he can run faster than anyone and evade sacks better, too. i mean, I know his stats show he’s the most sacked, but if you’ve watched him every game for just one season you see just how many more he gets away from.

I know that’s jsut a testament to his lack of passing skills, but boy is it exciting to watch!

I don’t think many of us hate being told that he can’t pass well. It’s more like we already know it so can we please move on to our other issues?

Like getting Dunn and Duckett on the field together. It might be my lack of understanding of the game but why can’t we do that?

By Richard Olcott

September 22, 2005 11:54 AM | Link to this

Funny how the haters trend. We beat Philly and “it’s only one game. don’t get so excited”. Then we lose to Seattle and “see, they’re going to lose everything!” Make up your mind, haters. Either that or come up with a real argument.

By RealBirdz

September 23, 2005 11:51 AM | Link to this

Richard Olcott,

Take note observant one: It’s the so-called Falcons “fans” doing most of the hatin’ in here.

Y’all go from finalizing plans for your Super Bowl parade in the days following your win over the Eagles to…..this?! That’s some funny sh*t right there, Dog.

Pathetic front-runners.

BTW, you will not score more than 10 points this weekend, Vick or no Vick.

Eagles - 12-4 or 13-3 = HFA throughout the NFC Playoffs

Panthers - 11-5 or 12-4

Bucs - 10-6

Falcons - 10-6