Jeff Schultz

By Marc

January 13, 2009 11:51 AM | Link to this

YER CRAZY MAN, YA HEAR ME? YER CRAZY!

By 22oz

January 13, 2009 11:53 AM | Link to this

A 35 year old workhorse vs a 41 year old coming off major shoulder surgery who won’t be able to pitch until June, if all? Not even comparable. Smoltz left, and not over money, he wanted to pitch in Boston. Let it go.

By edward

January 13, 2009 11:55 AM | Link to this

Stafford and the money! Why would I EVER want to be a gator? ‘Dawgs all the way. And yes, signing a 35yo to that kind of money is a bit hit or miss. Do we have money now to get an outfielder? How long do you think Frenchy will last if he starts like he ended?

By dogsbrekky

January 13, 2009 11:58 AM | Link to this

Schultz you are a whiny little man

Lowe is a gamer, sinker ball picther in a PITCHERS park with a 3/4 excellent infield behind him….

He finished 6-1 last year and crushed,

he if fit, is a young 35 in terms of innings and played ahead of a very very poor LA Dodgers (defence and offence until Manny) and WON

stop crying…. Wren has signed 3 good starters and Kamikaze is an MVP from Japan and Cy Young from Japan (see how DICE K, slightly better has done)

EOFS

By Dixie Dawg

January 13, 2009 12:02 PM | Link to this

Frank Wren…

You look a little better today, to me, than you did yesterday.

Not bad at all…

By Professor

January 13, 2009 12:02 PM | Link to this

It’s a good thing you don’t have to take an IQ test to be a Braves fan or an AJC writer apparently; many of you would be out of luck. You complain that $15M is too much for a proven, healthy 35 year old starter but $14M was OK for a 41 year old with arm problems to pitch 28 innings. You complain that Wren didn’t sign Peavy or Burnett…did you think he could have gotten them for “cab fare”? Lowe and Kawakami are great additions to the Braves pitching staff. Wake up Braves fans, a 42 year old with a history of arm problems and major, potentially career ending surgery isn’t the best use of their money. Smoltz did a real disservice to the organization that has been so good to him for years. Obviously, he wanted to go to the Red Sox but instead of showing the character we thought he had, he used the Braves as his scapegoat. Hang in their Frank, despite Jeff Shultz, there are fans and other AJC writers that realize baseball is a business and the Braves are not a cash cow for non-productive players.

By Lew

January 13, 2009 12:03 PM | Link to this

Jeff-Sorry, but you’re not even close on this one. I, too, wanted Smoltz signed, but you’re not only comparing apples to oranges, but you may have invented a new fruit while you’re at it.

Lowe is six years younger than Smoltz. He has zero history of injury, throws with an entirely different (and easier) motion, is not coming off of potentially career ending surgery (one called by Dr. Andrews the worst shoulder he’s operated on), nor did he miss all of last year.

No comparison to the situations, Dude. None whatsoever. There’s big risk and then there’s little risk. This deal is NOT the big risk Smoltz’s signing could have been.

By Jt

January 13, 2009 12:06 PM | Link to this

A 35 year old who does not have a history of arm problems and who has averaged 15 wins and over 200 innings the last 8 years. John Smoltz left in order to stroke his own ego. He’s not starving for money. And based upon last year’s miserable failures with sore armed pitchers, the Braves acted responsibly.

By mr baseball

January 13, 2009 12:06 PM | Link to this

Derek Lowe has not missed a start in 7 seasons. Javier Vasquez has not missed a start in 9 seasons. Tom Glavine & John Smoltz made about $22 million last season and made about 20 starts combined. Comprende?

Hampton’s problem wasn’t age. He just broke down. Repeatedly. Pitchers like Lowe who do not have to throw in the mid 90s to get hitters out can pitch effectively deep into their 30s. Especially those with absolutely no history of arm trouble.

But we wouldn’t necessarily expect you to know that, since that might require some research instead of constantly poring through the Sarcasm for Dummies manual.

By Jim

January 13, 2009 12:06 PM | Link to this

No more of a stretch signing Lowe for four years than Smoltz…think John will still be pitching in four years? Doubtful I’d say….

I am not that excited about Lowe either but at least he is young enough that four years isn’t a total stretch….

Personally I’d as soon John be gone and take Wren and Schuerholtz with him….Sell the team to Blank and let him go and hire someone new…

By MP

January 13, 2009 12:07 PM | Link to this

Looks to me like Wren has done a good job putting together a decent (if not better) pitching rotation. Any pitcher 4 years/$60 mill is a risk.

By Peter

January 13, 2009 12:08 PM | Link to this

While I’d rather be Tebow on judgement day for the here and now I’d take being Stafford. How much more of a hell could Stafford end up in that’s worse than Detroit?

“Her response, alluding to Tebow: “He’ll find a job.” Well you must admit that she’s got a history of just settling doesn’t she? (Just kidding ya’ know I luv you! )

When the Braves finally give up the ghosts of season’s past and plan for seasons future Lowe might still be a valuable part of a trade. If you look position by position in the N.L. East how many Braves are you going to pick as the best at their spots?

Lowe won’t make Francoeur any better. He won’t provide offense and defense in CF & LF. He won’t keep Kelly Johnson from being a streaky hitter. He won’t “miracle” Chipper’s legs back to optimum health.

It’s time for the Braves to stop playing mirror, mirror on the wall and face what they really are. Closer to worst than first. As far as Dawson goes the Hawk was a helluva’ player. Stints with losing teams probably doomed his chances, unfairly.

So I know you guys went to Rome last year. Where to this year?

By MARK

January 13, 2009 12:12 PM | Link to this

When you look at this deal looks alittle pricy however in todays vetern market and his stats thats going rate,,and too Lowe seems to have good post season experience and record also looks like he s getting better I mean he seems to be in his prime I hope his arm dont go bad..

By MP

January 13, 2009 12:12 PM | Link to this

Looks to me like Wren has done a good job putting together a decent (if not better) pitching rotation. Any pitcher 4 years/$60 mill is a risk.

By Lee in S GA

January 13, 2009 12:16 PM | Link to this

There is no guarantee concerning any pitcher’s injury risk factor. The Braves had to sign a quality pitcher. What bothers me is there is still no true ace on this staff but from top to bottom it looks like a capable group of pitchers. The Braves also will have Hudson returning by next season and perhaps by the end of this one.

By Brian

January 13, 2009 12:18 PM | Link to this

Very easy answer to the Lowe/Smoltz comparison. Smoltz is six years older, made just six starts last year due to injury, and is coming off major shoulder surgery. We already know he won’t pitch the first month of the season. Lowe has made at least 32 starts seven straight seasons and has averaged 208 innings over that span. There is basically no injury history, and no durability issues. Obviously, anything can happen, but there’s no way you can compare the risks associated with the two pitchers.

By Baracked the vote!

January 13, 2009 12:23 PM | Link to this

The Lowe signing is a good start, but the Braves still need to find a 2nd baseman (at least one that can field the ball) and do something about the woeful outfield production. (maybe move Johnson BACK to the outfield where he started would be a decent idea) still concerned about the farm system.

Stafford will probably go to Detroit, but if the Lie-downs have any brains they will trade the pick for multiple picks and try to improve the team.

By Brian

January 13, 2009 12:28 PM | Link to this

Let me add that the statistics show no sign of Lowe slowing down. Last year was his best season statistically since 2002, when he was third in the AL Cy Young voting. His 3.24 ERA, 147 strikeouts, 45 walks, 14 homers allowed, 1.13 WHIP, and 194 hits allowed were all his best numbers since that 2002 season (a couple of them were even better than in 2002).

By Bubdylan

January 13, 2009 12:31 PM | Link to this

What’s amatta, Schultzy, Frank’s decent-come-lately offseason making your former rant less Pulitzer than you’d hoped for?

Give it a rest. The jury was still out but you were already shouting “GUILTY.” Frank Wren brought in THREE desirable, healthy starters in an offseason plagued by horrible luck. Oh, and he hung onto all but one premium prospect in the process.

By cb

January 13, 2009 12:33 PM | Link to this

Good move by Wren to lock up Lowe even at 60 mil. And 22oz is right: Smoltz wanted to pitch in Boston. I don’t think it was about the money because Wren would have easily come up with an additional 1-2 mil. a year to keep him. Smoltz is at the end of his career and wants to be in the best situation possible to win another championship. The Red Sox are closer to achieving that right now than we are. Here’s to hoping the Braves prove me wrong.

By bryan

January 13, 2009 12:34 PM | Link to this

Jeff, i usually like your columns - but this one is a little off.

Putting words in Wren’s mouth re: “risk” is a bellow the belt move.

You know well enough that a 35 and 42 year old pitcher is a world of difference. Especially coming off surgery.

By Dave

January 13, 2009 12:36 PM | Link to this

You need to listen to your wife…Tebow will find a job.

By BoneBreaker

January 13, 2009 12:36 PM | Link to this

Jeff, you and so many others are missing the boat when it comes to deciding whether or not players like Barry Bonds should be in the HOF. Yes, Bonds would be elected even if he never did ‘roids, but the extreme likelihood that he DID take ‘roids and other performance-enhancing drugs is a HUGE factor that should keep him out of the HOF! In my book, taking PEDs is cheating, and Bonds knew that it was cheating when he took them, and that alone should keep him out of the HOF — no matter how great a player he was with or without the drugs.

It makes me sick that so many folks like you are willing to overlook the huge matter of cheating and ethics when deciding whether to vote someone into the HOF. All of the players who would get in otherwise but who apparently took PEDs — Bonds, Clemens, etc. — should never get a whiff of the HOF.

By Marc L.

January 13, 2009 12:45 PM | Link to this

It’s over, Schultz. Time to move on.

By Trojan Man

January 13, 2009 12:47 PM | Link to this

What good is it to have all the blondes if you don’t do anything with them. I’d rather be Stafford.

By Voice of Reason

January 13, 2009 12:47 PM | Link to this

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein, (attributed) Thank God that Frank Wren is strong enought to do what needed to be done. Enough Said!

By kirkinga

January 13, 2009 1:01 PM | Link to this

Lowe is solid but not what you’d call spectacular: 68-60 with a 3.91 ERA over the last five years. He has averaged 206 innings in that span.

Which would make him better than anyone else currently available to pitch for the Braves.

He also has less injury history than Smoltz or Hudson, you left that part out though.

If Lowe had signed with the Mets I bet we would reading how “another one got away”.

Sabathia $160 million, Peavy $83 million, Burnett $82.5 million, Lowe $60 million. Seems about right to me.

By Virgil

January 13, 2009 1:03 PM | Link to this

This team is starting to look good. And with good pitching the need for someone to knock the ball out the stadium every other at bat is reduced. Braves have the pitching and still have the money to look for someone to fit into the system. Wren is looking good…and so are the Braves.

By Wren is THE TOOL !

January 13, 2009 1:04 PM | Link to this

The Braves should be ashamed of themselves for hiring this tool WREN.

Only an idiot pays “Prime Rib” prices for McDonald’s-quality beef (Lowe), but passes on “Filet Mignon” (Smoltz) at a Wendy’s price.

That’s OUR General Manager, Braves Nation!

WREN’s “trash” is the Red Sox’s TREASURE.

By Random

January 13, 2009 1:06 PM | Link to this

Jt: “A 35 year old who does not have a history of arm problems and who has averaged 15 wins and over 200 innings the last 8 years.”

Bone-headed bluff and bluster — Lowe has averaged less than 14 wins and less than 194 IP the last eight years.

Nothing to sneeze at — but why lie about it?

Oh — you meant the last seven years, didn’t you?

Never mind.

Jim: “No more of a stretch signing Lowe for four years than Smoltz…think John will still be pitching in four years?”

Apples and oranges and strangefruit — Smoltz would have been signed to only a one-year contract.

By same ol thing

January 13, 2009 1:06 PM | Link to this

Lowe does not throw like Smoltz. Hes a ground ball pitcher and they hold up better so the risk is much better then having Smoltz for say 6 games out of the season.

I really think that the Smoltz/Glavine combo kept players from wanting to sign here because of the risk. My only wonder is what about Hudson. Will they take his option next season or will they let him go too. Hanson is blocked but will be in AAA Gwinnett. I will have to go and watch him pitch there a couple times this year.

Now on to a strong hitter to put behind Chipper and yes we are contenders again. GO BRAVES!

By murfdawg

January 13, 2009 1:08 PM | Link to this

College should be used for preparing one for a better life. i.e.being a teacher, a writer or a professional athlete. Stafford has prepared himself for a great life.(If $85 million can be considered a great life)Tebow should go to med school so he can be prepared to do circumcisms by himself.

smoltz made $14 million last year for 28 innings. Did he spend all the money and decided he couldn’t live on 2.5 million this year? Pro athletes are totally unrealistic with their opinions of themselves and their perceived worth. I have enjoyed watching Smoltz, but he is done. Bring in the next young pitcher who can pitch like Smoltz did in ‘91.

By Daybed Wagmoe

January 13, 2009 1:10 PM | Link to this

I thought that the AJC didn’t allow their writers to vote in the HOF voting. At least, I think that’s what Dave O’Brien says…is that not a company policy??

By BILL Mc

January 13, 2009 1:15 PM | Link to this

I hate to say it, but Smoltz has become like Brett Favre to me. He could have remained a hero in my eyes by staying put. He didn’t earn his money last year and the way he pitches is not condusive to lasting much past 40 anyway. I would have welcomed him back for what we offered, but now I see he was chasing the spotlight and the money. He could of had something more valuable, in my opinion, by staying(how much money does he need). After you pay the agent, taxes,expenses to move, etc… it was not worth it to leave your career team and reputation behind. I wish him well, but I’m glad that I won’t have to watch him wear down the second half of the season again(if he makes it to the second half).

Welcome Mr. Lowe, Mr. Vasquez and Mr. Kawakami to the Atlanta Braves. Let’s start a new pennant streak.

By CC

January 13, 2009 1:17 PM | Link to this

I do believe the fan base just got revived (thanks Frank), and the Schultz Toasting has been, like, THREE thumbs up!! Smoltz was not rejected NOR evicted — he jettisoned.

Maybe Chipper’s rethinking about now — oh, not about whether he might be next — ‘cause he could be —, but that Mr. Wren iust might not be some hapless little bird in a bush to shoot his bee-bees at.

I didn’t vote for Obama, but you know, change can be good. No doubt with Lowe and KK coming on board, Huddy, JJ, Gonzalez, Moylan, etc might all be getting stoked, pumped and juiced over all this. Will be a rockin and rollin spring startup for the pitchers.

Oh, forgot to mention Glavine above. Well… right now it’s hard to think seriously about anyone over 40. Hang it up soon, Tom, while you’ve been let back in (I think).

By kappellmeister

January 13, 2009 1:19 PM | Link to this

Gotta agree with the majority here: Love Smoltz, but certainly less risk involved with Lowe.

While I’m at it, Jeff, how do you call this a “Top Ten” when 5-7 are alla continuation of the same thing? It’s like you took the column you wanted to write and just stuck numbers in it.

By P. Rose

January 13, 2009 1:19 PM | Link to this

So are you saying you’d rather have a 41-year old who pitched 28 innings last year, has had four elbow surgeries, and now one on his shoulder, and will remain inactive until June, instead of a 35-year old who averages 208 innings per year, and throughout his 10-year career has never been on the disabled list? We’re talking about a guy (Lowe) who went 3-0 with a 1.86 ERA in three post-series-clinching wins (including a world championship) just four years ago, versus a guy (Smoltz) who clearly no longer wanted to be here anymore. Are you out of your mind?

By leland

January 13, 2009 1:20 PM | Link to this

Dear Mr. JS—pretty good article. Not funny, but pretty good. As for #10 and #9, go read Mark Bradley’s article. Your pal, Leland

By Marie

January 13, 2009 1:22 PM | Link to this

Risk - look it up in the dictionary.

By Chris Kilroy

January 13, 2009 1:22 PM | Link to this

Happy they got Lowe, but they overpaid for him because of the Smoltz departure.

If they had kept Smoltz ($2.5 M more guaranteed), i think they could have gotten Lowe for less. Boras knew that the Braves couldnt take the PR hit of losing Lowe so close to the Smoltz departure.

Nobody can know how much that cost the Braves, but i would say that it isn’t ridiculous to say it was at least a 10% premium, so $5M

So i suggest they could have had Lowe AND Smoltz for $60M

Instead they just got Lowe for $60M

By Jeff Schultz

January 13, 2009 1:26 PM | Link to this

To Several Above who seem to be couching this as, “Well, it was either Smoltz or Lowe.” I think you’re missing the point. You could’ve had both pitchers. …. Peter: You’d rather be Tebow on “Judgement Day”? Do you think the picture of Stafford holding a keg over his head is going to count against him that much. … JS

By Professor

January 13, 2009 1:35 PM | Link to this

• By Wren is THE TOOL ! The Braves should be ashamed of themselves for hiring this tool WREN. Only an idiot pays “Prime Rib” prices for McDonald’s-quality beef (Lowe), but passes on “Filet Mignon” (Smoltz) at a Wendy’s price. That’s OUR General Manager, Braves Nation! WREN’s “trash” is the Red Sox’s TREASURE.*

*OK…I’m instituting a minimum IQ of 50 to be a Braves Fan. Sorry, Wren is THE TOOL ! …you failed and will need to find another team to pull for. Shultz, I’d be concerned as well. And, what is with your infatuation with Smoltz. He’s a married man (correction, was a married man with 4 kids still in Atlanta.) *

By Amber

January 13, 2009 1:38 PM | Link to this

Guys… remember that until last year, Glavine had never been on the DL either. We’ve got a way with pitchers.

By bali

January 13, 2009 1:39 PM | Link to this

I feel better about the bravestoday than I did yesterday. It would have been nice if Smoltz could have finished his career in Atlanta,but it seems that he will be able to find nice digs in Beantown.I know the cost of living is higher , but hey maybe the red sox will win the penant and maybe that will help him out financially.It is hard for me to feel sorry for ball players in today s real economy.AS far as Tgator and Sbulldog I think both are doing what they need to do and they both should have a nice life. Who could ask for more. Blondes monday wednesday and Friday., Brunettes tuesday and Thursday. Rest on saturday

By Paula

January 13, 2009 1:49 PM | Link to this

Let’s see, Jeff. Lowe is 5 years younger than Smoltz and NEVER been on the DL. How many times has Smoltz been on the DL?

If Smoltz were entirely comfortable with his shoulder (held together by 6 pins, I might add), he would have had no problem accepting the Braves offer.

I heard an interesting conversation on the radio yesterday. They were talking about sportswriters, sports talk radio hosts, etc., who get too “chummy” with the athletes they cover - that it will cloud their judgement when it comes to the reporting of facts. I think, Jeff, in your case, this seems to be the case.

By KC

January 13, 2009 1:49 PM | Link to this

“Jeff Schultz asks why signing Smoltzie is too risky for the Braves GM but nabbing Lowe, 35, isn’t.”

Well let me see if I can help you out Jeff…

Perhaps, just maybe it’s because John Smoltz’s soon-to-be 42 year-old shoulder (which sits atop a 4 time surgically repaired arm) was recently - for all intents and purposes - reconstructed and is now reportedly “held together by 5 anchor points.

Maybe it’s because Smoltz won’t even pitch until June, and while his rehab is going well, he can’t provide any assurance that he’ll pitch again at all.

Whereas Lowe has been the very definition of a horse, and gives you 200 innings every year.

The Braves have had good luck with pitchers in their mid and latter 30’s who have a history of good health. They haven’t had much luck with 40-something pitchers.

For the record, I think the Braves should have offered 5-6 guaranteed if that’s what it took to keep Smoltz. I don’t believe, as many do, that they did him wrong or somehow disrespected him by not offering that. But from a baseball perspective, I think Smoltz was worth the risk.

But with all due respect to inquire… “why signing Smoltzie is too risky for the Braves GM but nabbing Lowe, 35, isn’t.”*… seems kind of silly to me.

Lowe isn’t much of a risk. Smoltz would have been. Perhaps Smoltz was a worthwhile risk… but if we’re just talking risk level here, there’s no comparison between the two.

By singndablues

January 13, 2009 1:51 PM | Link to this

Stafford may have great natural talent but how many QB’s coming out of college have we seen like that? Plenty that have tanked and wound up as 2nd/third string. Stafford lacks that NBL intangible like we’ve seen with Ryan. I think Tebow has it and will surprise when he hits the NFL. So even though I’m a big Dog fan, Tebow is the proven winner.

Would anyone be surprised if Smoltz has a recurrence of arm problems once he returns to the field? The Braves made the right decision. Can’t hang on to the past.

You say “ejection of Smoltz”? I believe it was mutual. John just wanted a reason to leave.

By MSC Brave

January 13, 2009 1:56 PM | Link to this

We now have a pretty competitive pitching staff for this year and years down the road. Smoltz would have been a longshot to make it through or finish the season.

I like Lowe better than signing Smoltz to a one year deal at 41 and A.J. Burnett who has a history of being on the DL.

Now we just need a Big Bat!

By Professor

January 13, 2009 2:00 PM | Link to this

To By Paula

I heard an interesting conversation on the radio yesterday. They were talking about sportswriters, sports talk radio hosts, etc., who get too “chummy” with the athletes they cover - that it will cloud their judgement when it comes to the reporting of facts. I think, Jeff, in your case, this seems to be the case.

Excellent observation!!!! I definitely think Mr. Schultz’ judgement is clouded. The lack of judgement in writing this and his previous column with all the negative comments towards the Braves is very apparent. Jeff, please stick with football, basketball, synchronized swimming, curling; anything other than the Braves and baseball.

By Father of 5

January 13, 2009 2:10 PM | Link to this

The Braves are way worse off today than they were on Oct 1. We traded away valuable prospects for the privilege of paying 11M to a weak #4 starter, then we agreed to pay a solid but unspectacular #3 starter 15M a year until he’s 40. And that will help because they both “eat innings?” Can’t 23 year olds eat innings? Who’s going to dominate the opposition on those days when we can’t score any runs (which, by the way, will happen often)?

As for the bigger question, Tebow hands down (ouch). This coming from a Nole grad/Gator hater. Tebow has the proper perspective, and he will be more than set for life (in this dimension and eternally). What good will Stafford’s 70M do him if he becomes Ryan Leaf? Hopefully enough Richt has rubbed off on Stafford (whereas Tebow is the one trying to rub off on his slimy coach) but, as you pose your question, I go with the first guy.

By Roger

January 13, 2009 2:26 PM | Link to this

I, for one, hate to see Smoltzie go but I’ll have to admit for a near 42 year old coming off shoulder surgery, 5 million guaranteed for a year is a risk. What if Smoltz had gotten that from the Braves and then started having serious pain after a couple of starts? The Bravos would have been in big trouble. At the same time, I don’t think this Lowe character is worth what the Braves will be paying. Sports figures are sooooo overpaid!! We do need a BIG BAT in the outfield. Maybe Mr. Wren realizes that.

By scottbravesfan

January 13, 2009 2:37 PM | Link to this

Jeff,

I’ve been reading you for years and I always like to read what you write but you are wrong about Lowe. This is a great signing. You can throw his win lose record out the window, that 3.91 ERA is what is impressive. The last five years, which also included time in the American league in the steroids era is very impressive. Plus he helped bring a world series title to Boston and was outstanding for the Dodgers last year down the stretch in the pennant race. He was just as valuable on the mound as Manny was at the plate because Lowe out pitched Brandon Webb that last weekend to give the Dodgers the division title. And the Dodgers actually got out of the first round, something that Braves haven’t done in awhile.

Also I would rather be Stafford without a doubt. I know your wife said Tebow will get a job and he probably will as a college analysis or something like that but I would rather be a multi millionaire that Stafford is going to be come this summer. It’s a no brainer. And I honestly don’t know why someone would rather be a college legend, the NFL is where it’s at.

By mr2nole

January 13, 2009 2:37 PM | Link to this

Just a thought. Smoltz is a highly competitive person .The odds are he will push really hard when he gets to pitch for Boston and will likely over do it to prove his point to Atlanta. His return will be about the time that inter league play starts. So we might actually get to see him blow his arm out. I hope not but look back at his career. He doesn’t know how to pull back. He’s going to break down. Wait and see

By Brad

January 13, 2009 2:38 PM | Link to this

Mark McGuire would not have had HOF numbers minus the juice? The guy hit 49 home runs as a scrawny skinny rookie!

By Brad

January 13, 2009 2:39 PM | Link to this

Obviously, the Red Sox only got Smoltz for the postseason. Theo Epsten said today that Smoltz will pitch important games for the Sox in Sept. and October. Everyone knows Smoltz’s shoulder would never last a full season, they’re hoping it last 2 months!! The Braves would have needed Smoltz for the full season, they had to find someone more reliable. I love Smoltz as much as anyone, but Lowe is with out any question more reliable this year. Smoltz gave Atlanta everything he could, but time and too many sliders took their toll. Good luck John, if the Braves can’t win the World Series, I hope you and the Red Sox do.

By Brad

January 13, 2009 2:41 PM | Link to this

Obviously, the Red Sox only got Smoltz for the postseason. Theo Epsten said today that Smoltz will pitch important games for the Sox in Sept. and October. Everyone knows Smoltz’s shoulder would never last a full season, they’re hoping it last 2 months!! The Braves would have needed Smoltz for the full season, they had to find someone more reliable. I love Smoltz as much as anyone, but Lowe is with out any question more reliable this year. Smoltz gave Atlanta everything he could, but time and too many sliders took their toll. Good luck John, if the Braves can’t win the World Series, I hope you and the Red Sox do.

By Frank Wren --> NOT Hall-of-Fame Material

January 13, 2009 2:44 PM | Link to this

Dear Frank Wren,

What did Cal Ripken, JR’s Christmas card to you say this past December?

By KC

January 13, 2009 2:46 PM | Link to this

Brad: Those are excellent points, and I think you’re right. Red Sox really aren’t concerned about what they get from him, if anything, through 3/4 of the season. But the Braves aren’t in the same position as the Sox.

The Sox already had enough pieces to be reasonably assured of a postseason berth. The Braves need are not there yet. They’re going to need their starters to carry a substantial load all year long. Especially given that the offense is such a work in progress right now.

By Dennis

January 13, 2009 2:47 PM | Link to this

Sometimes writers write articles to incite and this appears to be that. Schultz cannot let go of this issue and raises it again. Why are the Braves supposed to feel bad about making a reasonable offer that was rejected by Smoltz? I continue to believe that Smoltz wanted out of Atlanta and made comments to demonize the Braves organization rather than be honest and be demonized himself. Loyalty is a two way street and Smoltz showed no loyalty to the organization that paid him $130M over the years thru times when he could not even lift his arm, much less pitch. So he chose to leave town, leave his children (yes that is a common issue that many face when we do not take a promotion and more money so that we can remain with close to our children as responsible parents should) to pitch with a contender. It was his choice and we need to get over this over the top response. Let’s place at least an equal share of the blame with Smoltz. I wish him well, but think in the end the money we did not spend on him will be spent in better ways.

By Ted Striker

January 13, 2009 2:50 PM | Link to this

Although Tebow might become an excellent QB in the arena football league — assuming they actually play again — I’d rather be Stafford.

Yeah, yeah, the Heisman is nice, but Gino Toretta, Eric Crouch, Danny Wuerffel, Andre Ware, Rashaan Salaam, Jason White, George Rodgers and O.J. Simpson all have one. Translation: Big Whoop.

By Bryan G

January 13, 2009 2:51 PM | Link to this

Jeff, I assume that Dale Murphy was just an accidental oversight on your Hall of Fame Ballot???

By Duh!

January 13, 2009 2:52 PM | Link to this

The poster known as “Professor” is either Frankie Wren or his mommy.

By Professor

January 13, 2009 3:02 PM | Link to this

To* Duh…neither, just an intelligent fan and by the way, you failed the IQ test as well. Find another team. See you, Duh!! Before you leave, Duh, read *Dennis’ **comments above. The Professor could not agree more or said it any better. Definitely there are reasons other than money to remain in Atlanta. (Dennis, you must be Frankie or his Daddy).

By justin

January 13, 2009 3:02 PM | Link to this

Schultz let it go. We need pitching in April, not June. We can’t wait on Smoltzie and he didn’t think he could be back till May at the earliest. Lowe is an innings eater and always has been. If he “shows his age” in two years, that means he’ll pitch like a 38 year old and last I checked he was a sinkerballer anyways so it’s not like losing some velocity is going to hurt him. Plus in two years we’ll have Hudson back and JJ will probably be the staff ace at that point and hopefully Tommy Hanson will have made some strides and we can just slide Lowe into the number 3 or 4 spot.

By George W.

January 13, 2009 3:06 PM | Link to this

“They’re surrounded by studs. For 14 straight years, I went to the playoffs. For the last three years, that was not part of my career. I’m sure it will be part of it again” THAT IS THE ONLY REASON HE LEFT ATLANTA. IT WASN’T THE MONEY IT WAS THE FACT HE IS 41 AND WANTS TO GO TO THE POST SEASON. BY THE WAY JOHN I HOPE YOUR F——NG ARM FALLS OFF IN MID PITCH YOU SELFISH PRICK. WE GOT DEREK LOWE TODAY WHICH MAKES US A CONTENDER AGAIN. MY WISH IS THAT THE RED SOX GET BLASTED BY THE YANKS AND RAYS THIS YEAR AND MISS THE POSTSEASON. THAT WAY WHEN THE BRAVES MAKE THE POST SEASON WITHOUT SMOLTZ HE WILL REALIZE HIS MISTAKE FOR GIVING UP ON THE BRAVES. 1/13/2009 2:38:02 PM

By Ed Glennon

January 13, 2009 3:17 PM | Link to this

The biggest risk the Braves have made in the last two years was making Wren GM.

By edward

January 13, 2009 3:25 PM | Link to this

What would it have hurt to have paid smoltz the 5mil? Didn’t the yankees pay Clemens 17mil for half a season. He didn’t exactly pitch them to the series. All everyone wanted was Smoltz to stay one more year and then let him retire a Brave. We obviously aren’t spending anything on the outfield so it wouldn’t have mattered where the other 3mil would have come from. I like Lowe. I think he is a good pitcher. Will he take us to the playoffs?? Maybe but that depends on the other 4 guys in the rotation too. I say bite the bullet and send some of the younger guys north this year and let them start in the outfield now. Francouer hopefully didn’t “bulk up” again this year and maybe he will hit like he did the first year. I seriously think that was his problem. He started thinking he was a 40-50homer hitter. I am a huge Glavine fan, but if he can’t go and retires I am happy for him. At least he will end as a Brave.

By kevin

January 13, 2009 3:27 PM | Link to this

I wish the press, especially the little booger eaters on 680 the fan, would find a life. The Braves now have a top 3 starting pitching staff in the National League. They have one of the top bullpens in baseball. Francour will be back (30 homers, 100 RBI’s- guaranteed). May be the best infield in the National League. If they can pick up 1 more outfielder this winter- they have the guys to win the East. RELAX SPANKERS!!!!!

By CounselorMan

January 13, 2009 3:31 PM | Link to this

Why don’t you define ‘jack-a*’ Schultz, since it is obvious that you wrote this article out of your … The Braves did what they had to do, and Smoltzy did the same thing. He is gone, get over it!! The Braves are in a MUCH better postion with a healthly, younger Lowe than Smoltz.

By Michael Procton

January 13, 2009 3:59 PM | Link to this

Good call, Schultz…”steroid users?” How, precisely, are you so sure this includes McGwire? The only thing he was ever solidly linked to (unlike Bonds, Palmiero, Alomar, Frank Thomas, etc.) was andro, a supplement he OPENLY used in legal fashion against neither the rules of baseball nor the law. Hope you’re not holding a freely-available over-the-counter substance against him.

By LivininAL

January 13, 2009 4:03 PM | Link to this

I’m thinking the Braves would have better possibilities with both Lowe and Smoltz. I think the additional 3 mil to Smoltz would be worth it in many ways beside innings pitched. If the risk for 5 years at $83 million is worth it for Aj Burnete and health issues; then I think Lowe’s offer is somewhat reasonable. I do think that Lowe should give a call to Smoltzie and thank him for the extra $24 million more than the Mets offered!

By ET

January 13, 2009 4:07 PM | Link to this

To the posters that blame Wren for Smoltz going to Boston…You really don’t understand what transpired here. John Smoltz was just on ESPN and said that he would do anything to win with Boston including working out of the bull pen if needed… Isn’t this the same guy who just a few years ago said if he couldn’t be a starter with Atlanta he would sign elsewhere?

He wanted to leave because he didn’t think Atlanta was going back to the playoffs. He played it so that Wren ended up looking like the bad guy to the fans. I had a lot of respect for Smoltz until now. He made Wren the scape goat so he could leave and still look like he wanted to stay.

If Smoltz thought he could still pitch he should have taken the 10 million dollar contract we offered him… That’s right, ten million was on the table if he could pitch. That wasn’t the issue, Smoltz wanted to go to Boston and needed Wren to take the public hit for him. I’ll take Lowe at 36 and healthy instead of a 42 year old Smoltz who isn’t healthy or man enough to say he wanted to pitch elsewhere.

He wants you to think that 3 million extra dollars guaranteed for only breathing pushed him to Boston. Wren was only asking him to be on the roster for 60 days to recieve that extra money. Either Smoltz really doesn’t think he can pitch two months or as I said he wanted out.

By Paula

January 13, 2009 4:10 PM | Link to this

Seeing as the Red Sox are only the 3rd best team in the AL East, they’ll have a hard time making the playoffs, so perhaps John should have chosen another destination if he was so concerned about making the playoffs.

By Phinfan

January 13, 2009 4:17 PM | Link to this

This is why Frank Wren’s the general manager and you are supposedly be paid for being a what ?? What’s that .. a writer.. LOL

By Professor

January 13, 2009 4:19 PM | Link to this

Mr Schultz

As someone else posted, we aren’t in Boston so how about replacing Smoltz’ signing with something Braves related, maybe covering Kawakami at the stadium today. Just a suggestion.

By Paul Lentz

January 13, 2009 4:21 PM | Link to this

While I would have been ok with the Braves not spending the money on Lowe, I have no problem with the Lowe signing. There is a hell of a difference between a 35 year old workhorse with no history of arm injuries, vs a 42 year old with a gang load of arm and shoulder injuries. After the debacle of last years pitching staff, we have 3 guys at the top of the rotation who are at least 7 innings guys. While they may not have “dominant” stuff, they are pitchers who can get you deep in a game without having “ace material”. That means wonders for a bullpen. Our bullpen was way overworked last year. It showed in the second half of the season. Plus, it would be nice to get a complete game every once in awhile.

An extra $3 for Smoltz?: Please. Look, just because I think Wren letting Smoltz leave for the Red Sox was a good thing, does not mean that I dont appreciate what Smoltz did for us the 21 years he was with the Braves. It’s just that I dont feel that he is worth the invest in the future. Some of you fans just cant look past the past. You seem to take it personal. Well you are the kind of fans that I feel are hurting the Braves If you want nostalgia, go to an old timer’s game. I want the Braves to put players on the team who are healthy and who can actually pitch without fearing that the next pitch they throw is going to end their season.

With us having 4 starters now penciled in, the stress on filling the #5 spot is lessened. Bobby Cox can evaluate between a number of candidates. First, if Campillo shows that last year wasnt a fluke, he will probably get first crack. If Morton and Reyes show that they have made significant improvement in the off season, then perhaps them. Then there leaves Hansen. Chances are he’ll start the year in Triple A., unless he wows the Braves so much in Spring Training that Cox and Wren feel compelled to pencil him in the #5 spot come April. Either way, the pressure isnt so great to rush anything due to the top 4 spots being slotted.

However we all know that injuries can pop up when least expected. We know that sometimes pitchers can be ineffective and not live up to expectations. I have a feeling that due to their not being a left hander in the rotation that if Reyes has a good Spring, he may get dibs on the #5 spot. Campillo has the kind of arm that can fill the long relief role (if a starter gets knocked out early, he can pitch effectively for 4 or 5 innings, giving our offense a chance to get back in the game). If Morton has the potential to be a good starter in the Majors, then perhaps it would be prudent to have him pitch in the minors and keep his arm strength as a starter, along with Hanson. Either way, Wren and Cox have options. They can evaluate the various performances and health of these guys in Spring Training. It would be nice to have a surplus of a healthy mix of youth and veteran (veteran, not old) pitchers to pick from.

Braves fans were spoiled by having Maddux, Smoltz, and Glavine for as long as we did. I think that part of the “frustration” of these so called fans is that they keep comparing our current pitchers with these legends of the past. Well, having those guys at the same time happens once in a lifetime. However, that does not mean that we cant win with guys who are lesser quality.

Despite what many of you said about “Wren not doing anything” which is so foolish to say that keeping on commenting on it is probably a waste of time, I feel that he has done plenty of hard work and made some tough decisions. He has improved our rotation, not vastly overpaid, and gotten younger as a result.

I still feel that Wren has a few more moves left up his sleeve. The man has options now. He can either keep Johnson at second and go after a big bat in left with the surplus of free agents available. Or he can work a trade with the surplus of young pitching we have. Or he move Johnson to left and go after a lead-off type second baseman like Orlando Hudson (if Hudson would be interested in playing with the Braves). With the moves Wren has been able to make, he has a stronger position now to make a selling pitch to a quality second baseman like Hudson, if Braves management feels that going after Hudson would be a worthy move.

Many of you may not think much of the Ross signing, however I feel that having a decent back up catcher is so important. McCann wore down last year. When McCann didnt play, whoever we played at catcher was pretty much an easy out. However many of you cant see that because you are easily blinded by the need to make a big splash with a big name free agent signing.

Give Frank Wren a chance to shape this roster. You guys talk about him being arrogant and smug. So what. To make it far in professional sports, whether in management or on the field, one has to have a great deal of confidence. I would rather that Wren has those qualities, than to be a “nice guy” who caves in to pressure when others start “ripping him”. Wren has shown me that he will go after someone he deems desirable, yet exercise the discipline to back off when the price gets too high. Did he overpay for Lowe and the Japanese guy? Perhaps. However overpaying by a few million for a couple of guys who are healthy and can eat up a lot of innings (in other words, keep you competitive without taxing your bullpen) is worth the risk.

I’m excited to see what Wren has up his sleeve next, whether it is revealed next week, in February, or in Spring Training.

One more thing, to get 3 workhorse type starters, we didnt have to give up any of our prized prospects. Spring Training should be interesting, with they competition that will be happening in centerfield and the #5 spot in the rotation, along with a few bullpen spots.

By Shane

January 13, 2009 4:33 PM | Link to this

Why would the Braves want to pay Smoltz not to pitch? Didnt they do that last year.

By Tech Man in Dawg Country

January 13, 2009 4:45 PM | Link to this

Jeff, What I want to know is, what was your wife’s opinion on all the blondes?

By Hillbilly Deluxe

January 13, 2009 5:01 PM | Link to this

Signing Derrick Lowe strikes me as a panic move. Something to quite the rumblings of the fan base. In my opinion too much money, yoo old and not enough pitcher.

Amen to Andre Dawson, Tim Raines, Jack Morris, and Bert Blyleven deserving to be in the HOF. None of these men were media darlings though. Andre Dawson is ahead of current Hall of Famer Gary Carter in every offensive category. Dawson was an excellent fielder, great arm, a true 5 tool player. He’s also ahead of Jim Rice in every thing but batting average and slugging percentage. (I do believe Rice is deserving.)

By bevsouth

January 13, 2009 5:19 PM | Link to this

wren the tool you are a fool

By Gil In Mechanicsville

January 13, 2009 5:46 PM | Link to this

Bottom line, it’s not my money and I doubt the Braves will get any from me this year. Atlanta… I hardly know you anymore….

By Jayna

January 13, 2009 5:51 PM | Link to this

bevsouth = Frank Wren’s Regretful Wife

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 13, 2009 6:01 PM | Link to this

Stafford’s gonna get paid and likely be a star for the next 15 years. Tebow’s not. Case closed, as far as I’m concerned.

By the Stranger

January 13, 2009 6:04 PM | Link to this

So you’d vote Bonds in because he had Hall credentials before he started juicing? Assuming he “allegedly” began juicing in ‘98, that would give Mr. Bonds 12 seasons without resorting to cheating and less than 400 home runs total. A great career by arguably the best player in MLB at the time, but hardly enough accomplished to gain entry to the Hall. I’ve heard this argument from writers before and it is total BS. If he is a HOF’er (he’s not) and one of the best to ever play the best game ever (he was), then why in the world would he need steroids? Bonds in the Hall? Bad idea. Terrible precedent. Insulting to those that earned it to have to share the same rarified air.

By Philliesuk

January 13, 2009 6:14 PM | Link to this

Jeff, I really can’t believe you actually wrote this. Hmmm, let’s see. Is a 41 year-old who just came off of major surgery more of a risk than a 35 year-old who has never been on the DL? Would it be more of a risk to sign someone who won’t even be ready by AT BEST May, or someone who can actually pitch from day 1? Add this to the fact that Smoltz probably only has one year left in him. Do you really think Smoltz will pitch in 2010? I’m guessing Lowe will pitch in 2010…and 2011…and 2012.

Lowe is 35, but that doesn’t make him a ‘risk.’ Is he an ‘ace?’ Well, he started game 1 for the Dodgers in the playoffs, but maybe he’s not an ace. I will tell you that he’s a good enough pitcher that the Mets are pretty bummed out about not getting him. And while we’re on the subject of aces, did the Giants or Padres having an ‘ace’ get them in the playoffs. Absolutely not. What is more important than having an ‘ace’ is having a balanced pitching staff with a few strong arms that give you a chance every night.

I’m just getting tired of this ‘ace’ talk. LOWE WAS A GREAT PICK-UP. When will the negativity end? I’m sad that Smoltz is gone too, but it’s time to move on. Jeff Schultz, that means you.

By Pleasure Dawg

January 13, 2009 6:33 PM | Link to this

Et tu Asher Allen??

They just can’t get off the sinking ship fast enough.

All the Gators are coming back. Even our marginal prospects are bolting for the NFL.

Guess we’ll be hearing about how young the team is AGAIN next year. Well, that and of course the injuries (16 to miss spring practice).

By Scott S.

January 13, 2009 6:58 PM | Link to this

Lets just look at what we are paying for our staff now and then look back on last years staff. Do we want what we have now or what we had last year? I would guess that any of you would agree we are in better shape now than we were and we just need that big bat. I am not hanging hopes on Andruw but I saw a interview on one of the Atlanta channels and it shows Andruw in the batting cages with Chip and B-Mac and I have to say he looks good so we will see. Plus we beat the Mets on the Lowe deal which helps us in two ways!!! Love ya Smoltz, we will sign you for $1.00 next year off the DL so you can end your career as a Brave!!

By bravedawg

January 13, 2009 6:58 PM | Link to this

Schultzy, Nice try. As a lifelong Atlantan (49 yrs and counting, hopefully for a long time yet)I will miss Smoltz as much as anyone. Ron Reed, Cecil Upshaw and Len (or was it Lem?) Barker all taught me the importance of pitching. But a healthy 35 is preferable to a shaky 42 every single year. Yes, we will miss our icon, we missed Murphy, Aaron, etc…but we cannot build with a 42 year old who comes in at midseason. Perhaps a 35 year old and a 33 year old give us a few years more to develop some youth. Plus it’ll be fun listening to Joe Simpson butcher the Japanese pitcher’s name. Finally, why couldn’t we get ‘Boog’ to leave the broadcast team and go to Boston?
Finally, part 2: Tebow has the hardware and will undoubtedly get more. But, Stafford is going to have more pro cash, and the girls in Athens don’t eat boogers.

By LTBravesFan

January 13, 2009 7:36 PM | Link to this

Schultz, maybe the fact that there is something like 6 or 7 years difference in age; Lowe is not coming off arm surgery (has he ever had arm surgery?); He pitched 200+ inning last year; he is expected to pitch the whole season (Smoltz might not be back till June, if ever); it gives the Braves an ace for next year (probably Smoltz’s last year) last 7 season 12+ wins (Smoltz didn’t); pitched in the playoffs last year (I think rather well I may add); will have a vet’ around for Hanson, Reyes, and Morton for longer than just one more year; clears the way for one of the young guys next season to prove themselves at the big league level (at least one has nothing else to prove at the minors league level); it keeps a little money free for an outfielder(probably more but you know)

Yeah it would have been a good gamble to take on Smoltz. I mean could you see Lowe, Smotlz, Kawakami, Jurrijens, and Vazquez. That’s a good looking rotation, at least on paper. But then again so does Lowe, Kawakami, Jurrijens, Vazquez, and Hanson/Glavin/Reyes/Morton/Parr.

I could see taking the risk on Smoltz and I wanted the Braves to have him back bad. But it could be another five or six months before he toes the ole slab in a regular season game.

By Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)

January 13, 2009 7:41 PM | Link to this

Yes, I think that Derek Lowe will help to improve the quality of the Braves rotation.

No, he is not an ACE. Mid rotation starter is what Lowe can best be described as.

Yes, the Braves overpaid. But hey, It’s not my money.

No, the Braves rotation as it currently stands does not match up with that of the Phillies or especially those Marlins. Yea folks, those Marlins are hip deep in pitching. Hudson is the Braves ACE.

Our offense is still putrid and I’m talking embarrassing to the point of being laughable. Case in point:

No lead off hitter. Will Josh Anderson prove me wrong? I hope so. Will Cox give him the opportunity? It’s highly unlikely. Why? Andruw Jones redux. This is the part where I stop and puke.

YAAAACCKKKKK!

Chipper probably won’t play more than 120 games. I hate saying it but Hoss has bad wheels and everybody knows it.

McCann can’t bat cleanup when he has to take a day off after every seventh or eighth start behind the plate.

Did I mention the 27 home runs that our entire outfield hit in 2008? Frank Wren has done NOTHING to improve it.

How about the 58 stolen bases by the ENTIRE team? and the 27 caught stealing. Want to know who the two fastest teams in the N.L. are? That’s right ladies and germs, those WS Champion Phillies and bridesmaid Mets.

In summation. Our Braves have a decent rotation but no ace ( he’s rehabbing from T.J. surgery). The bench is solid and the bullpen looks promising ( Knock on wood). The Braves run the bases like a herd of turtles and hit the long ball like my kid sister.

Frank Wren won’t admit that our Braves are still in the process of rebuilding an incomplete team. However, they are and 2009 is going to be a very long season.

By fordcobra

January 13, 2009 7:46 PM | Link to this

Poor old Wren,when he didn’t get trades done he was and idiot and when he gets trades done he is still being thought of as an idiot? Like 22oz said Smoltz is past we have a new pitching staff let’s all get together and support them. Thanks Frank for pulling the trigger on these pitchers, now please don’t sign Andruw and get us a dependable power hitter not Mr. Dunn. Thanks

By fordcobra

January 13, 2009 7:47 PM | Link to this

Poor old Wren,when he didn’t get trades done he was and idiot and when he gets trades done he is still being thought of as an idiot? Like 22oz said Smoltz is past we have a new pitching staff let’s all get together and support them. Thanks Frank for pulling the trigger on these pitchers, now please don’t sign Andruw and get us a dependable power hitter not Mr. Dunn. Thanks

By fordcobra

January 13, 2009 7:48 PM | Link to this

Poor old Wren,when he didn’t get trades done he was and idiot and when he gets trades done he is still being thought of as an idiot? Like 22oz said Smoltz is past we have a new pitching staff let’s all get together and support them. Thanks Frank for pulling the trigger on these pitchers, now please don’t sign Andruw and get us a dependable power hitter not Mr. Dunn. Thanks

By fordcobra

January 13, 2009 7:53 PM | Link to this

Sorry about the multiple posting of the same response.

By Tomas

January 13, 2009 7:55 PM | Link to this

What is riskier signing Derek Lowe a 35 year old sinker ball pitcher who hasn’t ever been on the disable list, or signing 42 year old John Smoltz who finished this season with a serious injury? May I remind you all John Smoltz was 41 last year and made 14 million, so this deal isn’t bad at all. Derek Lowe was by far the less riskier choice in the FA market, certainly less than AJ Burnett.

Wren has redeem himself if you ask me.

By Bobby's Cox

January 13, 2009 8:39 PM | Link to this

What was more exciting, landing Lowe or finally coming to a contractual agreement with a Boras client?

Decisions.

I like the job Wren has done.

Laying off a injury prone Peavy at the expense of Hanson/Gorkys was smart.

Being spurned by Rafi was a fluke, and maybe a blessing in disguise as perhaps Burnett signing with New York was

Instead, we now have 3 solid veterans Kawakami, Lowe, and Vasquez. We have also opened the door to signing more Japanese players in the future, as well as rekindled any sort of past differences with the top agent in baseball.

Wren has done a good job in my book. No matter how P-O’ed i was when Smoltz left, Wren has laid a solid foundation for the team that will only get better when these minor league kids come to fruition.

Hanson WILL be an ace. Hanson, Jair, Lowe, Vasquez, Kawakami, Hudson, Medlin, Campillo, Locke, Rohrborough, Teheren, Redmond, Parr….that’s a bunch of good arms we’ve accumulated.

Now all we need is to get Nelson Cruz from Texas.

By Paul Lentz

January 13, 2009 8:53 PM | Link to this

I cant resist getting into the Stafford vs. Tebow conversation. I sure, Stafford may be the more “polished” passer right now. However I feel that Tebow has far better potential as a pro. Tebow has a cannon of an arm. You cant teach that. He can be taught to sit more in the pocket and wait for receivers to get open (which Michael VIck had a hard time doing). Tebow can take a hit, and can dish out a hit as well. He can scramble and elude a pass rush (which is essential in today’s NFL). Plus the most important thing Tebow brings to the table is leadership. He is calm under pressure and his players play hard for him. He isnt afraid of being a leader.

I felt that Georgia had more talent than Florida did. However in big games Stafford under performed. Sure, some team will draft Stafford and give him a lot of money. However I see Tebow as having a better career.

By the way, I’m an Arkansas Razorback fan and California Bears fan (I was raised in Arkansas, however I’ve been living in the Bay Area for the past 13 years).

Some of you guys let “loyalty” blind objectivity. Tebow is a winner. He is targeted on every play. Yet he scores touchdowns and limits turnovers to a minimum.

By Old Fashioned Ray

January 13, 2009 9:12 PM | Link to this

I think many are missing the point. The Braves could have BOTH Smoltz and Lowe—-John at a very low cost,in reserve to come into the rotation when one of the others fails (inevitable). If he couldn’t pitch well again, he still would have been invaluable on the bench.

By dacha

January 13, 2009 9:24 PM | Link to this

Concerning Tebow or Stafford, it all comes down to one question: Would you rather be a hall famer in college or the NFL?

By NCBravesFan

January 13, 2009 9:28 PM | Link to this

Jeff - I agree with your assessment of Lowe. There is a risk involved in signing an older player on a team that is not likely to hit its stride for a little while longer.

All along, the Braves have felt that they can contend this year and this is how they have played their cards. If they’re right, good for them and good for the fans. If they’re wrong, they’ve just spent a lot of money to spin their wheels for a year or so.

At least with the long-standing “no trade” policy on contracts, it shouldn’t be too hard to deal off some older players if the Braves are not up to the task of contending in 2009.

Overall, I’m happy with the Lowe and Kawakami signings & the Vazquez trade - but it remains to be seen if overpaying for Lowe for four years makes sense in the big picture.

By 74dawg

January 13, 2009 9:35 PM | Link to this

I’m with you Schultzie,I would serttle for being Joe Cox-you still get the string of blondes. On Lowe- all you guys finding fault w/ this, what would be your alternative? McCain is too old and Obama doesn’t have a sinker:)This is a win /win for the Braves. If it puts them in the chase,they got a chance. if not, they can deal him at the trade deadline this year or next to somebody desperate for pitching-just about anybody,and pick up ,maybe,the next Smoltz.

By Steve

January 13, 2009 9:43 PM | Link to this

I love Smoltzie, but comparing a 41 year old power-pitcher with a history of arm troubles coming off major shoulder surgery with to a 36 year, 200 innings per year off-speed pitcher with no arm troubles is ridiculous.

I am not saying Lowe is a better pitcher, but you are talking about comparing the risk factor. The risk comparison in 100% easily in favor of Lowe. I might be jinxing the man, but I am hyped about this signing at the top of our rotation.

With Lowe and Vasquez eating up the innings in 40% of the starts, the Braves will finally be able to stabilize an over-worked bullpen which should help all the way around. Innings eaters that can also win games are few and far between in baseball these days, so this signing is HUGE!

By Eric from MO

January 13, 2009 9:46 PM | Link to this

When Smoltz left I was as mad as anyone. I stayed away from the blog for a couple days and did not want to hear any sort of reason why Wren had done what he did. I was screaming for him to be fired.

Well by Friday I came back to AJC and started reading Wren’s reasoning and it made sense. I was still mad, but it made sense. I decided if he was able to land Kawakami and Lowe, he had done a good job with the offseason. Well, he came through and I figured Kawakami would get around 3years for about 20 and Lowe would get 4 years for 60 million. Yeah the report said Mets were offering 3 years 36 but they even said they would up it and probably would of offered 3 years 45 mil. So the Braves had to outbid.

I think after Smoltz left there was nothing Wren could do that would be considered right. If he didnt sign these guys, then you Wren bashers would be why is he not spending money and if he did you all are mad because he didnt give it to a 42 year old pitcher’s arm held on by 5 screws that wont be around til at least June 1st. The only way you Wren critics will actually stop is if the Braves win it all. If the Braves make it to the playoffs, you all will claim Smoltz could of won it all for us. Actually now that I think of it, you all would probably be mad if we won it all and Smoltz wasnt a part of it.

By Eric from MO

January 13, 2009 9:59 PM | Link to this

Coach I agree with most of your 7:41 post, but other than Hamels do you honestly believe the rest of the rotation is better than the Braves. Their number 3 pitcher ERA is over 5 and their 4 and 5 pitchers ERA is over 5.5. Their number 2 pitcher is Jaime Moyer. How long can the guy pitch. Its only a matter of time.

As for the Marlins, their only two pitchers with over 130 innings had ERA’s over Lowe. So you cant really say they have an ace better than Lowe. Look, I understand its hard to believe. I barely believe it myself, but the Braves have the best pitching in the NL East.

Now I agreed with everything else you said in that post.

By Paul Lentz

January 13, 2009 10:27 PM | Link to this

I wish fellow Braves fans would use some logic when making statements they “freely” put online. Sure, we all have a “right” to our opinions. However just because you have a “right” to do something, doesnt mean that it is actually good to “exercise” that right.

Over paying for Lowe? So the Mets supposedly offered Lowe 3 years at 36 mill. That is an average of 12 mill a year. We’re paying Lowe 15 mill a year. That “extra” 3 mill that many of you were clambering for the Braves to fork over to Smoltz, instead went to a pitcher who is more than likely going to pitch the whole year for us, and pitch over 200 innings. Smoltz wont be back at least until June. And we all know about “setbacks”, particularly with older players returning from injury. I’d much rather overpay and give the extra 3 mill a year to Lowe than Smoltz.

Compared to last year, we are going to pay Lowe 1 mill more (15 vs. 14) than we paid Smoltz last year. However I am pretty sure that we are going to get more than 5 starts from Lowe.

Compared to last year, we are going to pay Vazquez almost 6 million less than we paid Hampton last year. I’m pretty sure that we’ll get more than a month of service from Vazquez as well.

Compared to last year, we are going to pay the Japanese pitcher the same amount of money that we paid Glavine. Again, I’m pretty sure that we will get more than 2 months of service from the Japanese pitcher.

When looking at it in those terms, not only are we paying less money for 3 solid pitchers, but we’ll save wear and tear on our bullpen, which will translate into paying less money to potentially broken down pitchers (like Soriano). He’s contract is up at the end of this year.

Give Frank Wren a chance. Am I 100% satisfied with what we have? Of course not. I’m sure that Wren will tell you the same thing. However I am pleased with what he has done to shape this roster so far. We are in better shape to make moves in the future. Be patient. In this day and age of sports turnarounds, the Braves will compete in the National League East.

By Henry V111

January 13, 2009 11:01 PM | Link to this

I was confident that Wren would do a good job, and he has. He was courageous to offer Smoltz a contract laden with incentives rather than guarantee money, not allowing emotions to get the better of him. JS would have done similarly because he too was a prudent and courageous manager. Tom Dimitroff and Mike Smith will do the same thing later this year, because they too are courageos managers who will not allow emotions to dictate their actions in making their team better. Truth be told it was time for Smoltz to walk, and playing up in Boston at this time will only improve his chances of going to The Hall by showcasing his talent in the Northeast more regularly. Let us pray that he is healthy and can perform as we know he is capable of.

By Karl

January 14, 2009 1:44 AM | Link to this

All The Braves Need Know Is Bobby Abreu

I’m glad the Braves finally got their ace in Derek Lowe. We overpaid sure but we kind of had to for a Boras client. Lowe-Jurrjens-Vazquez-Kawakami-Hanson/Campillo/Morton makes for a top 5 starting rotation in the NL.

Wren needs to do one more thing: sign Bobby Abreu. Abreu swatted 20 HRs and 100 RBIs last season. He’s a high OBP guy (.902 career OPB) who would fit perfectly behind Chipper and McCann. I’m scared to death of another horrid LF platoon. Abreu hasn’t generated much discussion this offseason and given how cheaply the Rays landed Pat Burrell it seems like a weak market.

By JWG

January 14, 2009 6:56 AM | Link to this

So, Jeff, you’re not voting for McGwire because he would not have had HOF numbers without the juice? What about hitting 50+ homers his rookie season? Was he on the juice then? As for Bonds, he was a great player who chose to become the best through chemical enhancement. Where’s the justice?

By Fred

January 14, 2009 10:46 AM | Link to this

Go rot in Bean Town Smoltz.

You got your $14 million to pitch 28 innings last year. How much of that did you return???

I don’t see how you can sleep at night - earn a half million dollars for every inning you pitched last year and you sell out for $2-3 million - you make me want to puke.

I’m sure your ex-wife and her lawyer are happy though.

By willdave

January 14, 2009 11:44 AM | Link to this

Regarding Derek Lowe, the Braves, like the Yankees, have a longstanding preference of paying huge contracts to older players. That’s why they, like the Yankees, are finding it much harder to reach or succeed in the postseason.

Regarding Tebow, this impressive young man has chosen to return for his senior year when he obviously would have gone early in the first round this April. Thus, playing in the NFL doesn’t mean everything to him the way it does to some people.

He’s won a Heisman and two national championships in three years. Not many players past or present can boast a resume like that.

By DaculaJones

January 14, 2009 12:30 PM | Link to this

OK…I’m going to say it.

Tim Tebow = Tyler Hansbrough

Both all time impact legends in their own college sport. Both don’t much of a future to make any impact at the next level

By Do NOT ban Roger Clemons

January 14, 2009 12:37 PM | Link to this

No matter what happens in any trial, baseball should not even think about banning Roger Clemons. His 350 wins, and his status as the best pitcher of his era show that in no way does he deserve to be banned.

Why doesn’t he deserve to be banned, you ask? Because he deserves, year, after year, after year to have his record TOTALLY repudiated by the voters for the Hall of Fame.

They can’t vote for him if he’s banned, so by all means DON’T ban him, so he can get the full measure of the fifteen years of scorn he so rightfully deserves by being on the Hall of Fame ballot.

By Maniacal Pariah

January 14, 2009 4:09 PM | Link to this

Aren’t there too many undeserving players in the hall of fame already? Isn’t there a “contribution to the myth of baseball” part of the criteria?

What modern day player stands up the the legends of the Iron Horse, or Ty Cobb, or the Sultan of Swat?

No, lets start only voting for superstars of legendary fame who are so amazing that everybody goes kookoo over them.

I mean, otherwise, we’ll see Andrew Jones in the Hall of Fame, or some really great bat boy.

It’s got to mean something special or you ruin the game’s luster.

You know?

No hall of fame. For nobody. for another fifty years or until somebody can swing the bat again.

By MightyQuinn

January 14, 2009 4:31 PM | Link to this

I think I would like to be Tebow one more year and then switch to Stafford. Matt probably will be starting for the Lions and Tebow’s Gators would probably beat them too. After that though, gotta take the money and run. After both their football careers are over, then I would switch back to Tebow, since he is going cure cancer and bring peace to the Middle East and win Nobel Prizes for both, then be elected president of the United States and the United Nations simultaneously. Regarding the HOF, if Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, et al, come clean and confess and then do a Mickey Mantel (“Yeah I’m a role model…Don’t be like me) I might vote them into the Hall after they croak and wouldn’t be able to show up for their induction.

By MightyQuinn

January 14, 2009 4:33 PM | Link to this

Sorry, thats Mickey Mantle. I’m so ashamed!

By Clemens' comeuppance

January 14, 2009 5:35 PM | Link to this

When it’s all said and done, jail or no jail, I just want to see Clemens sitting by the phone on Hall of Fame election day every January, waiting for the phone call that never comes. Maybe McGwire can call him up the next day and console him, as they both agree “not to talk about the past.”

By Tron5000

January 14, 2009 7:47 PM | Link to this

Stupid internet making people stupid. When did all this “should of” or “could of” nonsense start? People, it’s pronounced that way, but it is actually “should’ve” or “could’ve,” being contractions of “should have” and “could have.” God help those who attend our public education prisons…I mean, government schools.

By curtis jones

January 15, 2009 9:05 AM | Link to this

By jeanE

January 15, 2009 9:31 AM | Link to this

Jeff you are so right, I would NEVER vote for Big Mac, he was just a puffed up ‘roid, don’t care how nice he is. As for Barry, he should’ve laid off the juice b/c he wouldn’ve been fine without it. We’ll see about Stafford, I don’t think he’ll be much in the NFL either. Doesn’t seem to have that killer instinct. Frank Wren is a ginormous idiot & I’m tempering my language when I say that. Now we’ve WAY overpaid for Derek Lowe who of course, was happy to come to Atlanta b/c who else was going to pay that much for a servicable journeyman pitcher?! This is after Frank was left with pie and egg all over his face when he grossly disrepsected John Smoltz! And I’m not limiting my scorn to Frank, no, it includes the other 2 boobs, Schuerholtz & McGuirk!! I know this stuff happens, it’s business, yada yada yada but not with JOHN SMOLTZ. It didn’t have to be this way, those morons made it happen.

By DirtyDawg

January 15, 2009 9:41 AM | Link to this

All Tebow does is win? Is that what he was doing in ‘07 when Georgia beat him and his Gators and they subsequently got creamed by a Michigan team that had lost to Appy State? Is that what he was doing in ‘06 when Chris Leak was actually the starting QB that led them to a 13-1 season? Is that what he was doing when he decided to demonstrate something other than Christian humility and drew an ‘unsportsmanlike’ call with his ‘chomp in the face’ of one of the Sooners?

Would I like to be Tim Tebow…the idol of millions? Sure, for another year or so, but my bet is that one day we’ll be seeing Matt Stafford throwing passes to Tebow in the NFL and making ten-times the money.

By haley

January 15, 2009 10:24 AM | Link to this

I’d rather hasve Lowe for $60 mil tha A. J. for $80 mil based on Burnett having one good year really. And I’d rather have a slugger like Dunn than Smoltz and Furball! Smoltz got paid over $125 million being a Brave. He was a good pitcher but look where unhealthly pitchers got us last year! Look what Hampton did to us after all we did for him! Good riddance. Comes down to it-it’s all about the money baby-See Ya!

By Pittsburgh Al

January 15, 2009 1:41 PM | Link to this

Some players are old at 35 and some are not. Lowe has been healthy and looks like a good investment in the crazy economics of baseball. Better than $80M for AJ Burnett.

I’d rather be Stafford and I agree with your wife regarding Tebow

I am from Pittsburgh and watched Bonds when he was a young, skinny leadoff hitter and base stealer with an occasional HR. He was unlikable then and he became more unlikable as he aged. His unlikability will be a major factor in his HOF potential. Suspected steroids use will be the reason to keep him out.

By big o

January 15, 2009 3:10 PM | Link to this

THAT IS A NO BRAINER STAFFORD DUDE. I AGREE WITH YOU 100% ON BONDS. IF WE GAVE LOWE THAT,THEN SURLEY WE COULD HAVE KEPT SMOLTZ. FRANK WREN IS A BUFFOON !!! I’LL SAY IT AGAIN HIS NAME IS OFFICIALLY CHANGED TO FRANK WRONG !!! HE IS TO THE BRAVES WHAT BABCOCK WAS TO THE HAWKS. IF I WERE HIM I WOULD BRING A.JONES BACK ON THE CHEAP FOR A BIG REBOUND YEAR BUT OH THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO SO OLD FRANK WRONG WON’T DO THAT WHAT AN IDIOT

By God is watching us.

January 15, 2009 5:38 PM | Link to this

Big O: BO