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DEL.ICIO.USNo, really — who’s REALLY good?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Maybe it’s just me.
In a season and a half of doing the AJC rankings, I’ve changed No. 1 teams in Class AAAAA eight times.
There had been only eight lead changes in the highest class in the previous seven seasons combined.
The latest No. 1 is North Cobb, a school that hasn’t been atop the rankings since 1959.
What do North Cobb, North Gwinnett and M.L. King — the Big Three unbeatens — really have in common? Yes, they’re undefeated, but more telling is that each has a one-point victory this season. North Cobb beat Harrison 13-12. North Gwinnett beat Brookwood 22-21. MLK beat Redan 14-13 and Douglass 22-21.
What I’d like to hear is which teams you think are really good enough to win state, and which teams are being propped up in the rankings because of reputation, an undefeated record or one lucky win.
Talk back to Todd: Holcomb chats live with YOU each Monday, starting at 7 p.m. Leave comments, questions, etc., here and return to talk about the rankings.
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By Wes
October 15, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this
Todd,
I was wondering what the deal was with Evans. They beat Statesboro last Friday and are undefeated. Are they for real or just lucky?
By devil lover
October 15, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this
Hey Todd. I have supported most of your decisions this year. However your ranking of Peachtree Ridge ahead of Norcross doesn’t seem correct and here is why.
PR has loss two games while Norcross has only lost one. While PR has averaged 27.3 pts per game Norcross has averaged 31.8. While PR has only allowed 10.3 pts per game Norcoss has only allowed 8.5. And besides all of that We gave Grayson, one of the team that beat PR, a good old beating 24 to 3.
So Todd what in the world were you thinking?
By Jerry
October 15, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this
I know you are the expert, but perhaps you could explain why a team that is averaging beating it’s opponents by 30 points, why they are not ranked in the top 10 of AAAA? I of course, mean the NorthWest Whitfield Bruins, the best team in the state of any classification????
By stan
October 15, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this
Just wondering how Coffee falls out of the top ten after losing to Lowndes who is a pretty good football team. I noticed every team except Lowndes is within 60 miles of the ATL> Imagine that
By Ken
October 15, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this
I agree Stan. All the teams in the highest classification are from the Metro Atl area. But you have to remember that this is an Atlanta paper, even though they want to sell papers state wide. They are still bias. Coffee is a great team and gave Lowndes a hard fight. Lowndes only loss came on the FIRST game of the season on a VERY wet and stormy night. This paper has little or no respect for anyone outside of the “Metro” area. Does that suprise you?
By John Onimole
October 15, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this
Grayson Running The Things
By John Onimole
October 15, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this
Grayson Running Things
By yo
October 15, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this
I feel the 4 best teams in AAAAA are: Brookwood Coffee Lowndes North Gwinnett (in alphabetical order)
Still not sold on N. Cobb. I know, they beat Harrison who beat Lowndes. Having seen that game it wasn’t that Harrison impressed as much as Lowndes didn’t. Also not sold on MLK until they beat somebody outside their region who matters.
By Windreader
October 15, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this
Hey, Jerry…
While we appreciate your desire to lead the cheers for your hometown team, consider the same evidence that the rest of us do. Four of NW Whitfield’s victories have come against teams that have yet to win a single game. Pepperell is AA and mediocre at best. Your sixth was a three point squeaker against a very average Ridgeland team with a similarly inflated record. Come back and talk to us after you’ve beaten Dalton and Rome. Then maybe we’ll take you seriously.
By Bill
October 15, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
North Cobb is probably at #1 by attrition. That’s generally how rankings work though, isn’t it? In many respects, they are learning on-the-fly how to be the top team in the county and the state. How they handle that will dictate how far they go this season. They have nothing to draw from, and we’re talking about 15-18 year old kids. So it’s very possible that things could unravel in a hurry. But it’s also possible that they don’t know any better, and they could take it al the way.
By NSHS FAN
October 15, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
Todd, Like some college conferences, about 7 or 8 of the best 5A rated teams have reached parity. There are no clear-cut superior teams. I doubt the state 5A champion will come from any of the top three rated teams, i.e. North Cobb, North Gwinnett or M.L. King. I will just about bet 1A through 4A classification final champions come from teams more in-line with AJC/AP rating. On the other hand, overall, 5A may just be weak. I saw Lowndes County play Houston County, and Valdosta play Warner Robins this Friday. None of those team will go far this year. It appears this is a down year for 5A because the same thing is happening with North Georgia teams. 3A and 4A are very strong this year. Of course like teams, these things go in cycles. Some years up and some down.
By K
October 15, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this
They all are good enough to win the state title. But you guys at the ajc don’t watch enough games.You base most of your opinions on hearsay and reputation. Stephenson has no ability to throw the ball consistently, yet they were ranked #1. Last year Norcross was number one and everybody’s favorite…you forgot that they have never been good in the “Big Game”…they never will…the talent needs to coached…enough said.If PR can do it anybody can!!!
By Warrior
October 15, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this
Please keep thinking that North Cobb shouldn’t be number one … please keep thinking that we aren’t really that good. Please keep overlooking us and thinking that the real play-off threat is somewhere else. And by the way, whoever said we have a number one ranking out of attrition … thanks - look up what the word means. Because the meaning is exactly why we are number one, by wearing down our opponents, by beating them down - and that is exactly what we will continue to do, wear down our opponents. So, keep thinking that we have nothing to draw from (except a 7-0 record and beating a number 4 ranked team).
I look forward to seeing each of your teams in the playoffs - and you can come apologize at the dome.
By old timer
October 15, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this
Todd,
As a North Cobb old timer that has followed top flight GA high school football the last 30 years, I believe that all of the following teams are GOOD ENOUGH to win the AAAAA title. But know you have to be LUCKY AND GOOD to get to, and win a game on December 14th.
North Gwinnett MLK North Cobb Harrison Lowndes Co. Norcross Valdosta Stephenson Coffee Co. Walton HS Grayson Chattahoochee Roswell Etowah Marietta Camden Co. Brookwood Peachtree Ridge
My money is on Lowndes Co. but I sure hope NC gets bracketed and plays well enough to get to meet Harrison again (on a dry field).
By Eric
October 15, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this
North Gwinnett can win state. They have a quick defense and they have a potent offense. Question is how Tamburo? Peachtree Ridge gave him something to think about and he may become gun shy. If he is tough enough they will take state, if not or well that leaves the door open.
By To Yo
October 15, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this
Yo, for all the outlandish things you have posted in the past, you finally got one right..almost. Re: “I feel the 4 best teams in AAAAA are: Brookwood Coffee Lowndes North Gwinnett (in alphabetical order”. Not certain about Coffee though.
By Trojansouth
October 15, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this
This year in 5a the number 1 team will be at the end of the year and it won’t be any current top 5 team. That’s what kind of year it is for 5a. And all u folks outside the Metro Atl area don’t get cault up in the AJC Rankings because it is in North Ga. And they will always have there teams up there ranked high every year and that should not bother non metro teams. That is there paper and they can do that all they want but at the end of the year we will see who’s in the dome. From 1a-5a and that’s what matters
By RY
October 15, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this
FYI MLK MADE THE TRIP TO THE GEORIGA DOME ALREADY, Despite the fact that it was in 3A which contains very tough teams OUTSIDE the metro area. Someone mention MLK not beating people that mattered.
Well, considering the fact that the school is only SIX years old, been to the DOME, came within two games of going to DOME last year in its first season in 5A, not to mention the fact they have already won their REGION this seaon, I’ll say they matter pretty much.
By David
October 15, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this
AAAA Rankings??? Todd, come-on man. You must have had a bad weekend. Baldwin get blown out by NW Warner Robbins and Tucker sqeeks by Mays. YOU KEEP THEM AT THEIR SAME PLACES. Maybe you should think about replacing a few of these. 1)NW Warner Robbins 2)Tucker 3)Cedar Shoals 4)TCC 5)Evans 6)Mays 7)Fayette County 8)Westside macon 9)Habersham 10)NW Whitfield
By to trojansouth
October 15, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this
Uhhhhh, dude I know you’re from south georgia - but check your grammar and spelling. When you are using the word “there” talking about a group of people with possession as in “there paper” - it is T-H-E-I-R !
their teams … their paper …
if you would like some lessons in football as well, then bring your south Georgia teams up to play some Metro Atlanta teams.
By NORTHSIDE EAGLE
October 15, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this
IT DOESNT MATTER WHERE AJC RANKS TEAMS WHEN IT ALL BOILS DOWN THE BEST TEAM WOULD HAVE WON.WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR RANKINGS THEY ARE MOSTLY ATL AREA SCHOLS.5A ISNT STRONGER THAN 4A TRUST ME .MOST OF THE SCORES I SEE THOMAS COUNTY CENTRAL,NORTHSIDE-WARNER ROBINS BEAT UP ON THESE 5A TEAMS.I AM A NORTHSIDE-WARNER ROBINS SUPPORTER AND TO ME IT DOESNT MATTER WHO WE PLAY 5A OR 4A.WE HAVE BEEN WINNING A WHILE NOW SURE WE THOUGH WE SHOULD HAVE BEAT STATESBORO IN THE FINALS BUT A CHEAP CALL GOT US,BUT LOOK AT US NOW.
By prattvillenolzfan
October 15, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
Why do ya’ll keep saying North Gwinnett is undeafeated…..Oh I forgot it was an EXHIBITION GAME….Yeah right……After spending the majority of my life in the south ga area, I got 2 words for ya…..Thomas Central……..
By No AAAAA Dominant Team
October 15, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this
With parity in AAAAA this year it will come down to the team that gets hot during the playoffs; barring a home field advantage disadvantage. This year, more than any, is a perfect reason for teams matched during the playoffs to play neutral field each round. (the two teams involved determine the neutral site each round) Some day Georgia high school sports will wise-up and crown a true champion.
By Prattvillenolzfan
October 15, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this
All joking aside, the North Gwinnett’s qb is one of the best high school qb’s I’ve ever seen, although not as good as Prattville’s Larry Smith (last year’s Mr. Alabama) or TCC’s Charlie Ward….(Remember him…..)
Every one in Prattville wishes North Gwinnett nothing but success….Good Luck…….
By trojan 93
October 15, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this
Todd, where is Coffee? I agree with anyone else that thinks Lowndes will be a player in the end. So don’t discredit the loss to Lowndes although it was a bad one. Coffee has a good football team that will likely be a player in the end also. If our coaching allows us to play and stop being so conservative on offense, they can be explosive.The receiver group is very talented and as a whole that size on offense is at least D1-AA size. The Lowndes game could have been different once we realized that they could not stop the pass.Unfortunately, for us we didn’t throw the ball until the 2nd half late. p.s we just ended Tift’s 15 home game winning streak. How is a team out of your top 10 after 1 loss to a team that can possibly be the best in the state in this classification?
By Prattvillenolzfan
October 15, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this
Last post & I leave ya’ll alone….
When TCC won all those championships in row, you might’ve had 8-10,000 people at the games…Great for the community, but not much else….
When Prattville played Hoover for the title last year, it was at Legion field in Birmingham…..
Almost 35,000 showed up for the game….No way we would’ve had that many at Hoover/Prattville…….
Just like Atlanta, Birmingham is within a several hour drive of the entire state, Prattville had almost 20,000 fans drive to the game….Hoover, although in the metro Birmingham area, didn’t have a decidedly “home field” advantage. So many S. Ga’s think the Metro Atlanta area would have a “home field advantage” if it were in the dome, (I know I used to think that)…I just don’t see it…..
By NG17
October 15, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
NORTH GWINNETT CAN GO ALL THE WAY. AFTER THE LAST DRIVE AGAINST A GREAT PEACHTREE RIDGE D AND WITH A BACK UP QB NORTH PUT THE GAME AWAY. THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR THIS TEAM CAN DO IT.NORTH HAS 3 WEEKS TO GET READY FOR THE NORCROSS TEAM AND I THINK MICKEY (JR QB )WILL BE RECOVERED BY THEN AND HE WONT BE GUN SHY.THIS TEAM HAS ALOT OF HEART AND HAVE PLAYED EXCELLENT D IN THE LAST 5 MIN OF EVERY GAME.
By NC-FAN
October 15, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this
TODD I THINK SEVERAL TEAMS ARE CAPABLE OF WINNING IT ALL IN 5A-NC HARRISON N.GWINNETT NORCROSS MLK TO NAME A FEW.BUT I SURE HOPE ITS NORTH COBB! IT SHOULD BE AN EXCITING PLAYOFFS. GO WARRIORS
By Lion's Den
October 15, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
The MLK Lions are the best 5A team in GA period; as eloquently stated after Friday’s Game vs Stephenson “We Want To Be #1”.
They’ve just defeated the #1 ranked team last week and only moved up to #3 (why not #1). Previously ranked #10 with 6 teams ranked above them that had already lost games and they’re undefeated??? This ranking crap is too biased and is not worthy of the paper it’s printed on. Why in the heck is N. Cobb now ranked #1.? We would kick their tails all over the gridiron.
This progam has done nothing but excel over the last (5) years, and the school has only been in existence (6) years. The team has really grown up before our eyes with most of the guys starting on the varsity squad as freshmen and now, knows what it takes to WIN IT ALL. To heck with just making it to the GA Dome; been there, done that.
When it’s all said and done, we will see the last team standing and I very confident that it will be the MLK Lions standing tall.
Go Lions!
By Kyle Campbell
October 15, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this
GO HOYAS!!!
By Baz
October 15, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this
Brookwood had some gelling to do at the first of the season, and some squeaker losses to state contenders…after watching kenny miles run over and past everybody…I think they will compete now for the championship…only their pass coverage may be suspect.
By SanMan
October 15, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this
I’m very curious to know how you can leave Cherokee completely out of your AAAA poll? They’re ranked in the top ten in evey poll except yours, including #5 in the Coaches poll.
By BAMMAR
October 15, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
Devil lover, What was the score of the Peachtree Ridge v. Norcross game?
By Fan
October 15, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
Hey people, typing in all upper case indicates you are shouting. It also makes it hard to read. Try typing like everyone else.
By Todd Holcomb
October 15, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this
First off, congrats to MLK. I held off ranking MLK higher because I noted that MLK had never beaten a Top 10 team in AAAAA. Now that the deed is done, MLK has earned its spot in the top three.
OK, let’s get to the callers …
I was wondering what the deal was with Evans. They beat Statesboro last Friday and are undefeated. Are they for real or just lucky?
I’m wondering the same. Statesboro dropped out of the Top 10 in AAAA, and I chose between Evans and Fayette County to enter. Frankly, I’m having some misgivings about not dropping out Marist now that Tucker’s close game w/ Mays suggests that Marist should’ve been punished more for not being competitive w/ Tucker. In fact, Baldwin also got no penalty for being blown out by Northside, but I think Northside is a whole ‘nother beast.
*Your ranking of Peachtree Ridge ahead of Norcross doesn’t seem correct. … PR has loss two games while Norcross has only lost one. *
If you look at the head-to-head games among Peachtree Ridge, Norcross and Grayson, all are 1-1, but only P’Ridge was close to sweeping. Only Grayson was closed to being swept. So that’s why I have it ordered P’Ridge, Norcross, Grayson. Yes, Peachtree Ridge lost to North Gwinnett, but that’s the No. 2 team in the state. Norcross will have its chance vs. NG soon.
I know you are the expert, but perhaps you could explain why a team that is averaging beating it’s opponents by 30 points, why they are not ranked in the top 10 of AAAA? I of course, mean the NorthWest Whitfield Bruins.
Weak schedule. NW was 6-0 last season, too, but was not a Top 10 team. Beat Dalton, and I’ll be forced to rethink things.
Just wondering how Coffee falls out of the top ten after losing to Lowndes who is a pretty good football team. I noticed every team except Lowndes is within 60 miles of the ATL> Imagine that
There are only four teams outside metro Atlanta that could be considered for a ranking in AAAAA. Let’s take them one by one.
Jenkins — Has not played an opponent that’s among the 25 or 30 best in the state. Has not beaten a Top 10 team in ages.
Coffee — I’m not writing off Coffee, but to be a Top 10 team in this age of parity in AAAAA, I expect you come closer to beating another Top 10 team than 29 points. To me, that’s the measure: How do you compete against Top 10 teams? Coffee didn’t. If this were AA or AAAA, where teams such as Northside and Buford are 28 points better than some other Top 10 teams, it would be different, but in AAAAA, to be a Top 10 team, you should be competitive w/ all the Top 10 teams. I can only go by what Coffee showed me when it had its chance.
Valdosta — Same as Coffee. Crushed by Brookwood, an unranked team. Also needed overtime vs. Tift County, a team that’s not even among the top 20. Based on those results, Valdosta is an 11-20 team.
Camden — Camden is borderline. But Camden would have to be behind Chattahoochee, and I don’t even have Chattahoochee ranked, perhaps a mistake in itself. The only reason to rank Camden would be reputation and history. Most know that Camden is an excellent team, but when given the chance to affirm it, Camden lost at home to an unranked team.
And all u folks outside the Metro Atl area don’t get cault up in the AJC Rankings because it is in North Ga. And they will always have there teams up there ranked high every year and that should not bother non metro teams.
If I have time, I’ll do the math, but I doubt there are more metro teams in the AJC rankings than in the AP or coaches’ polls. Maybe I’ll come back to this one, but it’s a myth worth busting.
AAAA Rankings??? Todd, come-on man. You must have had a bad weekend. Baldwin get blown out by NW Warner Robbins and Tucker sqeeks by Mays. YOU KEEP THEM AT THEIR SAME PLACES. Maybe you should think about replacing a few of these. 1)NW Warner Robbins 2)Tucker 3)Cedar Shoals 4)TCC 5)Evans 6)Mays 7)Fayette County 8)Westside macon 9)Habersham 10)NW Whitfield
That’s fair second-guessing, David. AAAA is hard to sort after Northside, TCC and Tucker. But should I rank Westside over Baldwin, since Baldwin beat Westside? Both have one loss, and Baldwin’s was to Northside. And Cedar Shoals, that’s the team that’s always beating mediocre opponents by 3 points, right? I’ve thought about Cedar, but the Jags are not convincing me. Evans has a very good argument to be in there. Almost wish I’d found ‘em a spot.
I’m very curious to know how you can leave Cherokee completely out of your AAAA poll? They’re ranked in the top ten in evey poll except yours, including #5 in the Coaches poll.
If you’re a team that wasn’t top 10-15 last season, then play a weak schedule, I’m probably not going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Cherokee’s opponents are something like 8-22. Sequoyah is pretty good, but the rest are below average, and a couple are downright awful. Maybe Cherokee will be this year’s East Paulding because I have to admit that I did not respect that region last season until the playoffs, and I might be on the verge of doing it again.
I’ll be back for more tonight.
By AAAAReg6Fan
October 15, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this
To SanMan, ask your question to Todd, once Cherokee has played someone. No impressive wins against top state talent. There’s only one true contender on your schedule, East Paulding. Check back after that game.
By Fan
October 15, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this
I too would like to see Harrison and North Cobb play on a dry field. The wet conditions at North Cobb might have hurt Harrison’s speed more than North Cobb’s. Whatever it might be, it would be one heck of a game if it happens.
By Shante Cunningham
October 15, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this
What’s a good stragedy for our football team. They need some HELP!!!! Please write me back. Thnkx ~1~
By The Truth
October 15, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this
Are the teams that the top 10 are playing taken into consideration. Fayette County is playing in a cupcake region. There is no competition for them. All the teams in their region lost all their powerhouse players last year and everyone has young teams and are rebuilding. Whitewater graduated over 75% of their team. Creekside lost Eric Berry and their key linebackers and d-line. Westlake lost Cameron Newton, the running back and their d-line and o-line. McIntosh and Woodard Academy, well it is what it is, still trying to develop a programs. Jonesboro and Mt Zion programs are struggling. Mt. Zion has the lone running back, but no supporting cast. Northgate lost the players that made them competitors last year. Banneker and Starr’s Mill.
Tucker deserves to be in the mix. Let’s consider who these teams are playing.
By DanM
October 15, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this
At the beginning of the season you rated Hart County No. 1 in AAA. Hart County tied their first game against a AAAA opponent and fell out of the top 10 all together. Since then they are undefeated but have not been reconsidered for the top 10 ratings. Why?
By old timer
October 15, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this
Fan,
I agree. And if it doesn’t work out officially due to the brackets, the weekend between the championship game and Christmas should be open, right? Your place or ours? lol.
Old timer
By M
October 15, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this
A NORTH COBB-HARRISON REMATCH WOULD BE NICE.IF YOU SAW THE FIRST MEETING YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.NORTH COBB HAD ALOT OF THINGS GO THEIR WAY THAT NIGHT,MAINLY LUCK.
By Lion2
October 15, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
Alright.. Alright.. PR lost to N.G. gotta give the credit to the Dogs but we did dominate Norcross, and the score doesn’t give it justice 2 missed field goals and 2 turnovers in the Red Zone would have really put the kick to the head.. While on the scoreboard we lost to Grayson, 17-14 Grayson’s 2 touchdown drives were 16 and 8 yards respectively… some offense…Back to NG…down 24-0 ask them what it felt like to blink and 4 minutes later PR has the ball again with the score 24-19.. Don’t count them Lion’s out yet…
By Carl
October 15, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this
Northside Warner Robins is the best team in the state. I have never seen that many athletes assembled together on one football team! They will beat any team in the state of GA regardless of classification.
By old timer
October 15, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this
Ms. M,
Now you know how we felt at your place last year.
Old timer
By BullDawg Rick
October 15, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this
The beauty of it all is the true #1 team in each classification will be decided on the playing field! Peachtree Ridge was a #4 seed going into last year’s playoffs & won co-state (with Roswell)..
IMO.. The BEST team in the state is AA - Buford Wolves…
By Warrior Mom
October 15, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this
North Cobb has the talent to make a run to go deep into the playoffs and even a shot at the title – but so do another half dozen or so teams. I have watched enough football to know that on any given day a top ranked team can be knocked off. Just ask USC or LSU???? Unless you have seen every team play each other and have the ability to look into the future, no one can predict today who will play in the big game in December. When you are number one, every team is going to bring their “A” game, because they have beating the #1 team in their sights. With that said, I know that my son and his friends on the team are not getting big headed about what the polls say. They are staying focused on this Friday’s game, with the attitude to win that game and keep marching towards the playoffs- one game at a time.
By 28 Sweep Pass
October 15, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this
Last year I thought the cream would rise to the top and we’d get a “traditional” AAAAA champion. We know how the story ended and Roswell and Peachtree Ridge shared the title and tradition lept out the window.
This year appears to be more of the same. As it stands now, one of last year’s 1-AAAAA final four participants won’t even make the playoffs in 2007. My guess is that the WR-Tift loser is out. Roswell is now also an upset away from sitting out the postseason. Don’t you think their archrival Milton would love to be the spoiler that keeps them at home?
My prediction will be that we will have at least two Gwinnett teams in the Dome. It could be any combination of Region 7’s North Gwinnett, Norcross or Peachtree Ridge or Region 8’s Brookwood or Grayson. I’ll also predict the other two Dome slots go to Region 5, Harrison or North Cobb and the other to Region 1, probably Lowndes. The bracket alignments and any further upsets between now and November 9 will narrow the field.
It’s deja-vu all over again!
By Michael
October 15, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
If Dalton beats NW Whitfield friday will that get them in the top 10?
By Jerry
October 15, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this
Carl:
That will hold true until NWR comes up against NWW (NorthWest Whitfield) . Coach Mike Faluer has these guys hitting on all cylinders with the Appy State spread offense and a defense that is AWESOME! They will put a halt to Northsides streak!!
By NSHS FAN
October 15, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
As I said earlier, Lowndes is not— nor Valdosta nearly as good as you think they are. Both of their QB’s are short and have trouble seeing down field. They are not fast and their lines average—-so outside Coffee, who has an outstanding QB, 1A is very weak this year. 5A Championship will be decided in the north. I am a middle GA guys saying this and would love to see a 5A championship down here but the truth is—it won’t happen this year.
By Reeze
October 15, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this
Hey Todd,How would you feel about the AAAA champ going up against the AAAAA champ after the championship week is sorted out.I understand it’ll never happen.Just for discussion,What do you think?
By Clark
October 15, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
why is it in class 5a if a qoute unquote triditional team is not in the top five its no a good year. I am so tired of hearing about the Valdosta’s of the world. There are other schools in the state that have talented athletes. For instance Martin Luther King Jr. High School in Lithonia has a very talented Football team, and has had talented kids since the school opened six years ago. They have routinely sent kids to college and will again this year. Coach Jarvis and his staff are great with the kids. The players have really bought into what they are doing over there. They have taught the kids that hard work pays off. When you ask yourself are they a ligitament top three team maybe you should give Coach Gartrell over at Stephenson High School are they good enough to go deep in the playoffs and possibly win the whole thing.
possibbly
By Reeze
October 15, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this
NSHS FAN ,i agree with you 100%.I was also out there saturday when Valdosta came to town.How in the world Valdosta is 6-1 is anybody’s guess.Warner Robins offense was pathetic,both of their QB’s seemed confused the entire game.If either of these teams were in the 4B-AAAA region it would be ugly for them,and coach Bryan Way,i thought Peachtree Ridge hinted to you in the dome last year that it was time to give the Wing-T offense up.It won’t get by a good defense
By Toby cash
October 15, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this
Todd, keep up the good work, it keeps the high school fans wondering why their favorite team is not ranked. Thanks for the commentaries.
By Trojansouth
October 15, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this
Wow! I’ll be smarter now. their there their there WOW!!!!!!
By TR
October 15, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this
Todd
I believe before next year starts, you should go the West Ga SE Defensive Camp, during the second week of July. You will see 15-20 of the top teams in the state from 4A and 5A. Maybe, this will give you a CLUE on the top teams in at least the top two classes. After viewing this camp, maybe you will be more inline with the other two polls (AP and GaSports.com the Coaches Poll).
By devon
October 15, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this
Northwest whitfield is overrated they got alot of officiating help during their win over Ridgeland. Two big touchdowns called back and one 30 yards behind the play as Ridgeland’s Terryl Freeman, which is quietly one of the elite junior backs in Ga, was 10 yards away from entering the endzone. They got dominated statistically in every category. If you were at the game……. yea thank you, NW whitfield got alot of help. They will get beat by Dalton and Rome .
By Keith Helms
October 15, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this
Northside of Warner Robins looks to be the best in the state, but they are just 4-A. They are without doubt playing in the strongest sub region with Baldwin County and Westside of Macon with all 3 in the top 10 all year. Norhside beat Baldwin and plays Westside Nov. 9 while Baldwin got by Westside in 3 O.T.
By slalom1
October 15, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this
To: Trojansouth Good for you. You took the criticism , and turned it into humor. Someone actually got more than a little upset with me last night, for pointing out some problems with THEIR use of the English language.
By Todd, Not Holcomb
October 15, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this
Northwest Whitfield will end Northside-WR’s streak? I’m not saying Northside is unbeatable but let’s not be delusional. Northside will be favored against any team they play this season, but TCC and Tucker have the talent and speed to beat them; however, NWW has four wins against winless teams—I really don’t see them ending the streak—or even making it far enough to try. If they do make the number one seed, which I highly doubt happens, they’ll still have to make it through TCC in order to play Northside for the state title.
By To slalom1
October 15, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this
While we’re having fun with grammar, “someone” is singular and “their” is plural. Your sentence should say “someone actually got more than a little upset with me last night for pointing out some problems with HIS use of the English language.” Not intending to be a smart@$$—just thought you’d like to know.
By slalom1
October 15, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this
To: Todd Holcomb Things were headed into the gutter last night with “TCC.” Regarding my criticism of his grammer, I must admit that I probably came down on him just a little too hard.(No pun intended.)
By slalom1
October 15, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this
To “By” COLD busted!! You are right. Just making an effort to work in the “their”, “there” thing. But, overlooked the obvious. My bad.
By NTH Trojan
October 15, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this
To Don M: You asked why Hart Co was not ranked? Well, kick back and I’ll explain it to you. First of all, they tied Clarke Central (5-1), and barely beat a weak Wesleyan (3-3) team. Plus, they play in a weak region, and to top it all off, they haven’t beaten a quality team. You better hope that they don’t have to play North Hall in the playoffs. Just ask Flowery Branch & Gainesville what happens when you face them.
By yo
October 15, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this
I think it is real easy for a team to declare itself to be the best in the state when they don’t have to play the schedule of others. What is more impressive a NSWR victory over a AAAA Baldwin (who would be average in AAAAA and who could barely get by Westside) or a Brookwood victory over Valdosta, a Lowndes victory over Coffee. All comparable scores. Sorry guys, until you are up here with the rest of us doing it every week it is all conjecture and history tells us NSWR has “never” finished the deal when playing up here. Beating a few AAAAA schools is not the same as beating AAAAA every week. 6 out of 10 of the teams on Valdosta’s schedule is harder than any one team Northside has had to play (excluding Warner and Houston). I am not saying that Valdosta is better than Northside this year, but again history says Northside can’t finish when playing with the big boys. In a one on one head to head competition at the end of the year they might win but until they play the schedules and go through the AAAAA playoffs successfully (and they never have) it is all talk on their part. They couldn’t even get through AAAA successfully until all of these teams they always proclaim themselves to be better than left AAAA to go up to AAAAA. Even then it took them 7 years to accomplish the feat. Of course with out having to beat any AAAAA teams on a weekly basis. NSWR always claiming to be the best in state but history keeps repeating the same story about their claims.
By SC EAGLE
October 15, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this
I am tired of reading about how NORTH COBB isn’t as good as people think. Also tired of how the Harrison game was a lucky game when there is no such thing as luck both teams came to play and the better team came away with the victory. Both teams had too many penalites so that was not the case. If the field was dry I believe the score would of favored NC better because they have more team speed and play makers then Harrison. Being an opposing players for both schools I say that game will probably be a rematch of the state title.
By Todd Holcomb
October 15, 2007 7:49 PM | Link to this
How would you feel about the AAAA champ going up against the AAAAA champ after the championship week is sorted out. I understand it’ll never happen.Just for discussion,What do you think?
As a fan, I’d love it. In basketball for a couple of seasons in the 1970s, the champions from all four classes came together for a special Final Four and championship. The only problem w/ this concept is that the AAAA champion will face an easier road to its title. Meanwhile, the AAAAA champ in a season like this one will probably be the ‘hot’ team, not necessarily the best. As a result, a team like Northside would stand a much better chance of winning this type playoff than it would if there were a Super 32 playoff of all the best teams in Georgia.
If Dalton beats NW Whitfield friday will that get them in the top 10?
I think Dalton would have to win decisively, and even then, maybe not. The problem is that Dalton lost to a AA team that lost to an unranked AAA team. The victory over Rome was a pretty good one, though. But AAAA has lots of teams knocking on the Top 10 door, including undefeated Evans, which has beaten Statesboro. I’d probably still have Evans ahead of Dalton.
**you should go the West Ga SE Defensive Camp, during the second week of July. You will see 15-20 of the top teams in the state from 4A and 5A. Maybe, this will give you a CLUE on the top teams in at least the top two classes. After viewing this camp, maybe you will be more inline with the other two polls (AP and GaSports.com the Coaches Poll).
Not sure my goal is to be inline w/ the AP and the coaches. But unless you state which teams that you believe I’m overlooking, or have overrated, I can’t really comment. Except about Cherokee, which I did earlier. I feel pretty good about not ranking Cherokee, unlike the coaches and AP, which have Cherokee around No. 5.
At the beginning of the season you rated Hart County No. 1 in AAA. Hart County tied their first game against a AAAA opponent and fell out of the top 10 all together. Since then they are undefeated but have not been reconsidered for the top 10 ratings. Why?
NTH answered that question pretty well. The tie vs. Clarke isn’t that terrible since Clarke is a AAAA team, but the struggle vs. Wesleyan is not impressive. Another factor is that AAA is much deeper in quality this season, in my opinion. Rarely does a Top 10 team lose and give somebody else a chance in AAA. When last year’s finalists, Shaw and Peach County, each have one loss and are ranked 9-10, that says a lot for the depth of the class.
By slalom1
October 15, 2007 7:52 PM | Link to this
To “Yo” Take a look at what you have just said. To quote you: “when they don’t play the schedule of others”. On the one hand you are right. NSWR does not play the schedule of Lowndes and Valdosta. But, neither Lowndes nor Valdosta plays the schedule of NSWR. To assume that the NSWR schedule is inately weaker is a moot point. Like you said, “it is all conjecture”. “Yo”, yes NSWR wins the prize for being the bridesmaid in AAAAA and in AAAA, until 2006. I am still a believer that region 1AAAAA is year in and year out is the best in the state. But, take a look at region 4AAAA,(I believe that is it, but can’t find my notes.) Any how, it is the region in which NSWR competes. Looks pretty tough to me.
By Patrick
October 15, 2007 7:53 PM | Link to this
Todd, How far do you see Walton going this year? They look pretty doggone impressive.
By Todd Holcomb
October 15, 2007 7:55 PM | Link to this
* am tired of reading about how NORTH COBB isn’t as good as people think. Also tired of how the Harrison game was a lucky game when there is no such thing as luck both teams came to play and the better team came away with the victory.*
I know you weren’t directing this at the original blog, but I do want to clarify that, in asking my question about who is really good in AAAAA, I wasn’t suggesting that North Cobb wasn’t really good. I watched NC last week, and I’ve convinced NC is really good. My question came from the fact that there seems to be 12 to 15 teams that are good, and I’m curious as to which ones that everyone has a gut feel will be in the mix in the end. Lowndes seems to be one of those teams.
Also, regarding wet fields, according to what I’ve read here, Harrison would’ve beaten NC on a dry field, but Lowndes would’ve beaten Harrison on a dry field. So I guess Harrison is even.
By yo
October 15, 2007 8:08 PM | Link to this
Not just 1AAAAA but other AAAAA are tougher than 4AAAA. 4AAAA is “very tough” for AAAA. History! Don’t doubt it. Looks to me that Baldwin a top team in AAAA and region 4AAAA is comparable in team to Houston Co. and Warner in AAAAA this year. Based on scores against NSWR. We all know Warner and Houston are not in the upper echelon of AAAAA this particular year.
By Todd Holcomb
October 15, 2007 8:13 PM | Link to this
Todd, How far do you see Walton going this year? They look pretty doggone impressive.
Sorry I just now saw your question, Patrick.
A key for Walton is getting the #1 seed in Region 6 because seeds 2-4 get Peachtree Ridge, Norcross, North Gwinnett. . So that means beating Wheeler. Assuming that Chattahoochee is #1 in the Fulton division of R6, then I don’t know which would get the #1 seed. Probably Walton since Walton’s loss was non-region.
Frankly, I don’t think Walton is one of the 10 most talented teams. Walton needed a couple of huge plays to beat Roswell and even Kennesaw Mountain. But it’s a well-coached team that could win a couple of rounds w/ a good draw.
By nick
October 15, 2007 8:29 PM | Link to this
harrison was cheated out of the north cobb game, the refs called back every thing over 20 yards, and the same one called it every time. refs are supposed to enforce rules not try to change the outcome of games.
By NC Alumni
October 15, 2007 8:33 PM | Link to this
I have never seen a North Cobb team that is just this good, so we finally have some and no one can say anything but about how lucky we were? I am glad that you watched us last night Mr. Holcomb. Did you come away thinking that this was a team that could go to the dome? I’m interested in more what you think then anyone else, because Im a homer and have only seen what we have done, where you have been able to see what others have. So in short- What is your prediction for the dome? Do you think NC has the firepower? What other teams?
By NC Alumni
October 15, 2007 8:37 PM | Link to this
Nick…stop complaining. Harrison had NC’s number for the past 10 years. That game could have gone either way, but it went North Cobbs, the best teams find a way to win no matter what they have to overcome… Harrison was not able to do so, and the game wasn’t that badly reffed. So, I guess Im tired of people living in the past, move on and I will see you in the playoffs…
By Todd Holcomb
October 15, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this
North Cobb didn’t play an outstanding team Friday, so it’s hard to draw too many conclusions about where the team is headed in postseason. I wish I had seen the Harrison game.
But I did see North Cobb play 2-3 times last season, and I don’t think there’s any question that NC can play with anybody in the state. McEachern coach Jim Dorsey told me he thought North Cobb was the most talented team he’d seen in Cobb in years, and I assume that meant since the 2002 Harrison team w/ five D-1 guys.
Matt Roark is a big-time difference maker and very difficult to defend at the high school level because he handles the ball so well on the option and he’s almost Jonathan Dwyer-like at sprinting through a hole. (I know he’s not as fast as Dwyer, but that’s what I think of when he’s got a step on somebody.)
Also, Roark is a much better passer this season, which opens up another dimension to an offense that’s very difficult to defend. One key will be how the O-line holds up in protection against the kinds of defenses NC will see in the playoffs.
My only concerns about North Cobb are lack of much playoff experience and a propensity to make mistakes that let teams back into games. I saw a little of that vs. Woodstock, and a lot of that in 2006.
By grayson fan
October 15, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this
i think grayson is underrated, did anyone say 84/0. thats how many points scored vs. points allowed in their last three games. yes they beat peachtree ridge, and yes then lost to norcross because of a weakness in the corner spot vs. 2 D-1 players. i do believe, grayson should be ranked higher, and i do think thier respectful defence, and strong offensive line will take them to the dome this year.
By Matthew
October 15, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this
I’m a Harrison grad so I’m obviously pulling for the Hoyas to win 5A this year. No doubt however, that Northside WR and Buford are two of the best teams in the nation. Northside is ranked #6 in SI and Buford is only unranked nationally because of their classification.
I’ve always had a facination with Valdosta and I hope they can find their way back to the state finals this season.
By Chris Whitfield
October 15, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this
Besides the Warrior fans, I have probably seen North Cobb more than anyone here on this blog. I covered the Harrison game and the South Cobb games for the paper and have had several long conversations with coach Queen, Middleton and Roark, and I will emphasis like Todd did that North Cobb is a good team. They aren’t world beaters, but they aren’t going to be a gimme game for anyone either. That being said, with the parity in the classification this year, North Cobb could very well be playing on the second Saturday in December for the title. It’s all about who is hot. I would like to see a little more diversity from North Cobb on offense, but the defense was highly impressive. Roark and Middleton are two high quality football players, but I would like to see a couple of other consistent threats emerge. I am sure that I will be covering the Warriors in their games later this season with Marietta and Etowah, so maybe this team has gotten a lot better.
By Dan
October 15, 2007 9:06 PM | Link to this
Todd, earlier this year I asked you about Walton, and you were skeptical about them. What is your opinion of them now?
By Warhawk
October 15, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this
How can you not have North Gwinnett #1…??? They have beat three quality opponents Walton, Brookwood and Peachtree Ridge.
By Tank
October 15, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this
I am so tired of hearing Harrison whine.
By Wildcat
October 15, 2007 9:11 PM | Link to this
While Coffee has done fairly well against their opponents this year, you have to realize one thing. They haven’t played hardly anyone until they got into region play. I mean come on, a AAAAA school playing Clinch County??? Valdosta may not win state but atleast they have played a pretty tough schedule, and look how far they have come from a year ago. GO CATS! However, I would bet Lowndes will make it to the final. Friday night should be interesting.
By btown big boy
October 15, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this
yea what has been bufords closest game. o yea thts right, 64 to 7 against grove city, ohio
By slalom1
October 15, 2007 9:18 PM | Link to this
To “Yo” Are you as bored by all of the “Greater Atlanta” hype as I am? Even though I am at odds with you on this year’s NSWR team, Most of the so called “Super Schools” of Gwinnett County would quite simply be buried on a week to week basis by teams from 1AAAAA, 4AAAA, and ,(Okay, here goes….region 2AAA.) Oh!……I feel SO much better!!! Now, just to put things in perspective….Region 2AAA has 3 powerhouses: Shaw, Carver, and LaGrange. (Do not leave out Troup and Harris Co.) You have already seen the roster of LHS. Should you decide to check out the rosters of Carver and Shaw, you will see much of the same. Now “Yo”. One thing that some of the uninformed bloggers will undoubtedly refer to is Carver’s record, prior to moving into region 2 AAA. Trust me on this . The difference is NOT the drop down in classification, it is all about Coach Dell McGee. This guy has absolutely turned the program around in 3 years. In my mind, the 3 stongest regions in the state are: 1-1AAAAA 2-4AAAA 3-2AAA Once again, your honor, I rest my case.
By SC EAGLE
October 15, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this
todd holcomb i was just addressing everyones as a whole on NORTH COBB PERIOD.
By Todd Holcomb
October 15, 2007 9:44 PM | Link to this
* think grayson is underrated, did anyone say 84/0. thats how many points scored vs. points allowed in their last three games.*
Glad to hear you say that because I felt a little guilt for not ranking Chattahoochee No. 10 instead of Grayson. I would’ve bet anything that I’d hear a Hooch protest quicker than a Grayson protest today.
Todd, earlier this year I asked you about Walton, and you were skeptical about them. What is your opinion of them now?
I talked a little about Walton up higher. … Walton has played better than I expected this season, but I remain veru skeptical that this is a Final Four-type team. As I mentioned earlier, it took big plays at the right time to defeat Roswell and Kennesaw Mountain. I think Walton can beat anybody on a given night, but I don’t see Walton stringing together 2-3 wins like that in the playoffs. That’s why being seeded #1 in R6 will be critical.
How can you not have North Gwinnett #1…??? They have beat three quality opponents Walton, Brookwood and Peachtree Ridge.
Best question of the night, and not sure why it took so long! …
I’ll start by saying that I could just as easily defend North Gwinnett at #1. Having three quality wins, plus a better finish in 2006, is mighty hard to argue against.
But here are some reasons for North Cobb to be #1:
— North Cobb was ranked #2 and North Gwinnett #3 the week prior, and I’m hesitant to have one team jump another after #2 wins decisively (score was 36-8 late). It would’ve been a slap in the face almost.
— North Cobb has the best win (Harrison, I believe, is better than Walton, P’Ridge or Brookwood, although that’s debatable. too.)
— North Cobb crushed Kennesaw Mountain 42-0, leading 35-0 at half. KM had Walton beaten until a last-second pass. North Gwinnett beat Walton 21-16.
— Having North Cobb #1 in one poll and North Gwinnett #1 in the others is the best representation of the uncertainty that exists in AAAAA. (Not sure if that’s a good reason, but I do feel that it’s appropriate that the honor of No. 1 be shared at this point.)
Here’s another tough question: What if NC and NG both go 10-0, but NG beats Norcross 35-0. Should NG be #1 then? Probably. I hope I didn’t just set myself up.
By slalom1
October 15, 2007 9:54 PM | Link to this
To: All of Cobb County Good luck to N. Cobb this year. However, I must say that Cobb County has historically not been much of a threat to the rest of the state when it counted, regarding high school football. But aside from that, the cheerleaders from Cobb county have ALWAYS been among, not only the state’s best, but quite possibly the best anywhere. Go!!!!!Cobb Cheerleaders!!!!!
By NC Alumni
October 15, 2007 9:59 PM | Link to this
Here’s another tough question: What if NC and NG both go 10-0, but NG beats Norcross 35-0. Should NG be #1 then? Probably. I hope I didn’t just set myself up.
I don’t think so…and I will express my opinion and hope for a rebuttal. IF North Cobb wins out and North Gwinnett wins out, I don’t think you can take NC outta the ranking (well of course you CAN, but I dont think it would be fair…) because:
-North Cobb will then have wins over Marietta (whose only loss thus far is Harrison), Etowah (whose only loss thus far is to Campbell), Campbell (whose only other loss thus far is to Marietta) and Harrison (whose only loss is to North Cobb)……
I understand that North Gwinnett has a tough schedule to, but can you really move a team out of the #1 ranking if they beat all of the above team?
Thanks again Mr.Holcomb, always a pleasure.
By Fan
October 15, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this
Todd, If you are referring to my previous comment, you did not read that Harrison would have beaten North Cobb if the field were dry. What was written was that the wet field might, might Todd, have hurt Harrison more than North Cobb. That does not mean the same as saying Harrison would have one the game.
Now if someone else wrote arrison would have won the game then I stand corrected yet if it is my comment then you should stand corrected.
By yo
October 15, 2007 10:46 PM | Link to this
Wildcat..as Slalom 1 would say..be careful dissing the smaller class schools. Especially Clinch Co. that Coffee pretty much took it to, while Charlton Cty. (remember them) had a hard time. Also, except for the Lowndes game Coffee has beat some pretty good teams. Madison Cty. who has often been a thorn in Valdosta’s side as of late. Pretty convincing win for Coffee over Tift. Seems Valdosta needed a blocked extra point to best Tift. Lowndes played, with out a doubt, its best game of the year against Coffee. However Lowndes was hesitant to pull its first string until the very end of the game because it was obvious Coffee still meant business. They came at us hard the second half. I may end up being wrong but Coffee will be a team others don’t wish to face come playoff time. Speaking of Slalom 1 :-) … Slalom…actually I have come to very much respect many of the regions in AAAAA around metro Atlanta. More and more we are playing these guys and the level of competition from Atlanta (especially Gwinnett and Cobb) has really come up. A region with N. Gwinnett, Peachtree Ridge, and Norcross coming out of it in the playoffs looks pretty formidable even for 1AAAAA.
By slalom1
October 15, 2007 11:00 PM | Link to this
To “Yo” You are probably right. It just hits me right in the gut to believe it, especially Cobb County. (But, I will ALWAYS believe that Cobb County cheerleaders are the best, year in and year out.)
By fan
October 15, 2007 11:02 PM | Link to this
all of you 4a’s wondering what it would be like to play a 5a for a game after the champ. game how would you like to go play a game against a pop warner team after your championship? ok thats how we feel just play in your league and be happy . we dont try and play a college team after our champ.
By Ed NSHS Fan
October 15, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this
Hey By YO, You do a great job cutting down teams and regions while hiding behind your handle, “By YO”. Come clean! Let us know your school and the region you so fondly love. I am sure a lot us will gladly challenge your comments on a level field. Remeber! Your team and region. Not any of that all Metro, Gwinnett, of DeKalb County teams bull. One specific school and region. We bloggers can talk with you after that. Please by yo! No, no, no! I said one team and one region. Stop squirming around giving other rationale for not coming to the point. I SAID, One team -one region.
By Ed NSHS Fan
October 15, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this
Hey By YO, You do a great job cutting down teams and regions while hiding behind your handle, “By YO”. Come clean! Let us know your school and the region you so fondly love. I am sure a lot us will gladly challenge your comments on a level field. Remeber! Your team and region. Not any of that all Metro, Gwinnett, of DeKalb County teams bull. One specific school and region. We bloggers can talk with you after that. Please by yo! No, no, no! I said one team and one region. Stop squirming around giving other rationale for not coming to the point. I SAID, One team -one region.
By Best Team
October 15, 2007 11:06 PM | Link to this
Currently the best AAAAA team in the state is not even ranked. Beware, be very aware. They have jelled and heading to the dome.
By M.L. KING PLAYER
October 15, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this
TODD WHY IS IT THAT M.L.KING IS #3BUT WE BEAT THE #1 TEAM ON FRIDAY WHY IS IT THAT EVERYBODY IS LOOKINGOVER M.L.KING INCLUDEIN YOU WE DESERVE TO BE #1 IN OUR FIRST YEAR IN 5A FOOTBALL WE WENT TO THE 2ND ROUND OF THE PLAY OFFS AND WE STILL DONT GET ANY RESPECT FRM ANTBODY WHY IS THAT TODD
By Region 6 Help
October 15, 2007 11:15 PM | Link to this
Can someone explain how region 6 in 5A determine their 4 playoff slots?
By slalom1
October 15, 2007 11:19 PM | Link to this
To: Ed NSHS Fan Are you blind? Did you just enter this blog? Do you actually have to ask “Yo” who his team is? Maybe you should do a little bit of home work before asking such a dumb question. GEEZ!!!!
By slalom1
October 15, 2007 11:47 PM | Link to this
To: “By Fan” Dude, for the second straight night, I am pleading….begging you to learn the English language. Once you learn how to use things like periods, commas, paragraphs(I know that is a BIG word for you), people may actually read what you write. Here is a tip. Go to the library. Check out a 5th grade English grammar book. From that book, learn when to use caps. Learn when to use periods and commas. The rest of the book will most likely be over your head. So, do not fret. Just get the easy 5th grade stuff right.
By CougarFan
October 15, 2007 11:52 PM | Link to this
Why is Chattahoochee not ranked? This season has been a great season for the cougars and the only lost was to Wheeler, and that was because of very contreversial calls by the refs, not 1 or 2 calls by the refs but 9 calls!! anyways, why is Chattahoochee not ranked since they have beaten Roswell and Camden County being that both games were away games and against two very good teams?
By Todd
October 15, 2007 11:59 PM | Link to this
Yo—it seems to me that the NWR fans are pretty humble on this blog. No one said they are the greatest. We’ve had great teams in the past that have lost and know disappointment better than anyone in the state. 1AAAAA is an incredible region, and there are several excellent programs in AAAAA; however, AAAAA has had two consecutive mediocre years and Northside would have competed and probably defeated any of last year’s AAAAA teams, including the WRHS semifinal team they did defeat 28-7 last year. And please don’t even begin to compare WR and HoCo to Baldwin. Baldwin held Northside scoreless until halfway through the 2nd quarter while Northside led 28-0 after the first quarter against Houston County—regardless of the final score. Some seem to forget that NWR has removed the starters after the first quarter for a majority of their games, excluding WR and Baldwin. You’re comparing apples and oranges. Northside has an excellent team and SHOULD go undefeated—but nothing is a given.
By TCCjacketfan
October 16, 2007 2:01 AM | Link to this
Todd, first off I would like to say how much I enjoy your blog. And yes, most residents of Thomas County are very well educated, so please excuse the rants of my fellow TCC fan. But, I must take issue with alot of your points and assumtions in several of your weekly blogs. As a matter of fact, I don’t think I have time to address them all today, so I’ll just start with a couple.
First, I don’t beleive that north georgia football is on a path to be better than south georgia football. I think what you are seeing is that north georgia is finally starting to catch up to south georgia. Granted you can take one or two seasons and base all of your statistics on that. But that’s not going to fly my friend. I just recently moved back to to Thomasville from the Atlanta metro area. I lived up there for 10 yrs. and was very unimpressed by the quality of football being played. Now that’s the metro area as a whole, but there are teams that year in and year out are top notch programs. To list a few - Marist, Parkview, Brookwood, other gwinnet schools. Occasionaly some other cobb schools such as Harrison, and some times North Cobb. Every other year you will have some Dekalb County schools in the mix. But even after listing these teams, they are but just a small number of the schools in the north ga.. When you list these schools along side the powerhouse programs in south georgia one basic fact rings true. It’s all about coaching. In high school unlike college and pro, the major factor is not how much talent you have on your team. It is how you make use of that talent. In north georgia how many Division 1 players play on losing or average football teams? As a matter fact I hear all the time about teams that have two or three division 1 players and do not even make the playoffs. You can say that oh it has to do with the toughness of their region, but how come nobody out of those regions ever win state championships. Again it’s all about the quality of the coaching. Take for an example Thomas County Central. In all of Ed Pilcher’s years at TCC he’s had all but a fraction of the same quality athletes that are the norm at other programs. Look at his record of accomplishments. Numerous region titles, 5 state championships, 1 state runner-up, and the states best home playoff winning percentage. He and his coaching staff get the best out of the players they have, and make them into good and occasionally great players. In years when we have no real Div. 1 players we challenge for state championships. In years when we have 2 or 3 Div. 1 players we usually win state championships. This same instance rings true in several programs in south georgia. You can start at 1A and go all the way up to 5A and as a whole at the end of most seasons the south georgia schools will out number those in the north in post season accomplishments. I know that the majority of the Atlanta metro schools are 5A and don’t largely make up much of the smaller classifications, but how many schools are in the Atlanta metro, and north ga.? Alot. And how many high schools are in south ga.. The numbers aren’t even close. So I guess you would assume that the end of the season rankings should only contain an occasional south ga. team. Well, I guess by looking at our postseason success, that’s definitly not the case. So in closing, I know the south will not dominate the north all of the time. But, until north ga. gets the same percentage of great coaches that south georgia enjoys, the south will continue to dominate football in georgia.
Other points I will address later….
1) Ed pilcher is definitly one of the top ten ga. coaches of all time, and is even in the running for the best.
2) Georgia high school football is vastly underrated and can easily be compared to Florida, Texas, California etc.
3) The assumption that most of the time the 5A classification is better than 4A. Actually as a whole the opposite is true. As a matter of fact, sometimes the top 3A and 2A teams would devistate some of the more successful 5A programs.
4) Why TCC fans beleive we are realistically going to contend for the title.
….These are but a few subjects with many more to come.
By trojan 93
October 16, 2007 2:44 AM | Link to this
To Wildcat, you better be worrying about your tails on Friday night instead of worrying about Coffee!!!We are on the way so don’t start saying anything about us now wait your turn, we have other region business to take care of 1st. Oh yeah, SEE YOU NEXT WEEK!!!!
By ceo
October 16, 2007 2:53 AM | Link to this
we’ll see how pilcher does when tcc is upset this week in americus by an exciting defense with a badass quarterback
By T.J.
October 16, 2007 5:08 AM | Link to this
Don’t feel bad Todd. Here is another reason not to feel bad about ranking Grayson at number 10. During Norcross game Grayson was down 3 starters (Corner Back, Running Back, and Kicker)from the battle with Peachtree Ridge. Yes I brought it up again but everyone is ignoring that fact. There was a comment on how Grayson’s offense only had to go short distances for touchdowns against Peachtree Ridge. That is because the defense and special teams are just that good, so quit your whining Lions. Question I have is what the ranking will be WHEN Norcross losses to North Gwinnett! What will determine a change with bottom 3 teams in the AAAAA rankings? The score? Win/loss records? Bottom line in my book it does not matter—-2 teams from Gwinnett will enter the dome and one will leave to be the CHAMP! Gwinnett vs. the State—-NO CONTEST!!!! Gwinnett has the premier football program in the state of Georgia from the rec league on up. So Todd, if you struggle on your top 10 in the future, give a Gwinnett team the nod with confidence!
By homet
October 16, 2007 7:20 AM | Link to this
*”By SanMan
October 15, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this
I’m very curious to know how you can leave Cherokee completely out of your AAAA poll? They’re ranked in the top ten in evey poll except yours, including #5 in the Coaches poll.”*
Yes Cherokee should be ranked in the top 10, however the bigger issue is how East Paulding stays at #7 when they are 6 & 0 and will be 7 & 0 after this weeks game with Chapel Hill. East Paulding will go to Cherokee 7 & 0 to decide the region championship the following friday. I hope they will then get at least moved into the top 5!!! ( They will be 8 & 0 after that game!!!)
By Fan
October 16, 2007 7:23 AM | Link to this
To slalom 1: there obviously are two different people using the name Fan. You are correct in that whomever wrote at 11:02 does not know how to write. I just want to make sure the two of us are not thought to be one and the same.
Thanks.
By joel crosby
October 16, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this
i would like to see a harder non-region schedule than valdosta has played.#1-5a jordan out of utah who is rivals #1 west regional team,collins hill who is a tough team most years,brookwood and #3-4a tallahassee lincoln (fsu’s jr. varsity).in valdsota’s region the last 2 years the following teams have had 2 weeks to prepare for the wildcats.tift co.,warner robbins and lowndes.the brookwood game was requested by coach tomberlin to be played on a saturday nite and the request was turned down.however last year we played on a saturday in valdosta at the request of brookwood. all teams have a bad game.valdosta did and they moved on.they will be in the mix.tomberlin is still getting his system in place.he has made great strides in just 2 years. go cats go!
By kings eyes in the sky
October 16, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this
Earlier it was MLK had not beat a team with a winning record. Then it was we have not beat a top 10 opponent in AAAAA. What is it, is it the name Martin Luther King that has yall not wanting to respect us. Three years ago we beat PICKENS COUNTY, PEACH COUNTY,. Two years ago we beat Carrolton when they were suppose to be the best in state, all schools outside of the county. We went to the dome and lost to Lagrange. SO what is it,what do we have to do win a state championship, something that many people have not done and still have more respect than we do. North Gwinnett,and North COBB Line them up anyday and we will hand it to them. Look what happen to your so called number one. We don’t want to be number one until the last week so save it for us…
By NHS Forever
October 16, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this
To “Yo”. Your love affair with the toughness of the 5A level of competition shows your naivety. Give me some examples of how 5A has dominated 4A this year. TCC (4A) wiped the floor with Tift (5A). Northside (4A) blew out Houston and Warner Robins (5A). To suggest Baldwin and Westside Macon would be middle of the road 5A teams is ignorant. Both are quality teams and would be competitive with the top ten in 5A.
I know you are undoubtedly jealous of the success Northside WR is having, but your belief that 5A is inherently superior due strictly to student enrollment numbers does not carry much weight when the teams step on the field. Coaching, preparation, training, athleticism, and desire have much more to do with it. I prefer to listen to more informed opinions on the quality of the NWR team, and the national pollsters at SI, Max Preps, USA Today, Prep Nation, etc. all agree that Northside is the best in GA, any classification, and a consensus top 10 team nationally. Of course, that remains to be proven on the field, but this team is just starting to reach it’s potential.
By Region 6 Play Off Teams
October 16, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this
Can someone (Todd Holcomb maybe?) explain how region 6 in 5A determine their 4 playoff slots?
By DARTDAWG
October 16, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this
I WAS AT THE NW WHITFIELD AND RIDGELAND GAME AND RIDGELAND IS ALOT BETTER THAN MEDIOCRE. NW HAD THE GA BULLDOG DROPITAS IN THE FIRST HALF BUT CAME FROM BEHIND IN THE SECOND HALF TO WIN. AS FOR THE REFS CALLS FOR THE IDIOT, THE OLINE FOR RIDGELAND WAS HOLDING ALL NIGHT. THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD BLOCK THE DLINE OF NW. DALTON AND ROME WILL NOT BEAT NW OR RIDGELAND. AND BY THE WAY, NW STARTERS ARE AVERAGING A LITTLE OVER 28 MIN. PLAYING TIME PER GAME. THEY DESTOYED PAULDING CO. AND I DO BELIEVE E.PAULD SQEAKED BY THEM. AND REMEMBER THIS, RIDGELAND IS THE ONLY TEAM TO SCORE ON THE FIRST TEAM DEFENSE IN 6 GAMES. AND THEY HAD 1 DRIVE OF 1 YARD. THE MEASURING STICK COMES OUT THIS WEEK AT DALTON’S HARMON FIELD. MY PREDICTION IS NW 24 DALTON 7. I WOULD NOT MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE NW WILL BEAT TEAMS LIKE NSWR,TUCKER,TCC, ETC. I JUST THINK THEY CAN PLAY WITH THEM THIS YEAR.
By yo
October 16, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this
To Todd..but not the Todd Holcombe of this blog…it always concerns me when someone declares their own humility. To Ed NSHS Fan…thanks for the “great job” compliment. Slalom 1…thanks for telling Ed NSHS Fan the obvious. To “NHS Forever” who said Your love affair with the toughness of the 5A level of competition shows your naivety. Give me some examples of how 5A has dominated 4A this year. TCC (4A) wiped the floor with Tift (5A). Northside (4A) blew out Houston and Warner Robins (5A). It is easy to take 3 games of the 2 best teams in AAAA to prove your point. When NHS has beaten N. Gwin., Lowndes, Brookwood, N. Cobb, Coffee then come and talk to me. Quit bragging about having beaten teams who are not what they normally are this year and are playing mediocre ball. When NSHS has to play a AAAAA schedule, soon enough, then we’ll see how much you get to brag. Until then…history…don’t doubt it! NSHS may be the best team in Ga. this year, but, they can’t claim it legitimately because they will be claiming it without having beaten all of the class of AAAAA. Regarding AAAAA…get your head out of the sand. The reason AAAAA has become more level of a playing field of competition is because the Atlanta area is adding AAAAA teams right and left. Not AAAA teams right and left. They are huge schools and they are making AAAAA tougher to compete in. Now notice I did not say impossible to compete in. AAAAA is the SEC of Georgia football and the next closest conference would be AAAA playing at a PAC 10 level. Now please understand…Big 10 occasionally has a team good enough to win the national champ. but the overall level of competition is just not the same. How many of those Big 10 Nat. championship teams would not have happened if they would of had to go through the SEC first? Same results for NSHS if they had to play in the SEC (AAAAA) instead of the Big 10 (AAAA). Now if you doubt me, see your own history in this matter, it does not lie.
By yo
October 16, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
Now notice I did not say impossible to compete in. AAAAA is the SEC of Georgia football and the next closest conference would be AAAA playing at a PAC 10 level. I meant Big 10 level in previous post.
By sandlotball
October 16, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this
You NW Whitfield guys are cracking me up. If that team played in region 6, they’d be 3-7 at best. Reality check in three weeks, boys. Your Bruins will be no better than a three seed, and most likely headed home for good after the first round of the playoffs.
By TCC2001
October 16, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
Hey yo get off the big ten….im frum cleveland and nobody ever gives ohio state its props thats why we beat you soundly and are always at the top and in contention for big ten and national titles.And to you 5A superfreaks…do not ever compare yourselves to the sec…thats ridiculous…half those teams wouldnt survive against 2A buford…so i guess that means the MEAC beats up on the SEC…at least try and be realistic when you say something…all the stuff you talkin bout is irrelevant….i don see a 5A team ranked nationally and there is no clear cut number 1 team in 5A…and to all yall NSWR, fans you do have a good team but shutup….we were in 3A(TCC) when we won all those championships right…yall were in 4A right…had good seasons but choked right…now difference between TCC and NSWR 5 to 1 right…get more rings fore you talk stupidly…i would never compare TCC with Valdosta…Round here we think logically…maybe thats why we win so much and you guys hate us so much…and to the guy from americus talkin smack…how many times have Americus sumter beat us….excactly 0 times since yall got yall new school…and Americus by itself is only 2 and 11 lifetime against TCC a .154 win percentage is not scary… maybe if yall hadnt combined with sumter county yall would have 3 wins against us but that is highly impossible so i take that back…and we not going to americus…you dont even know where you playin at so how you gonna win..we’ll see what happens at the jackets nest
By NSHS FAN
October 16, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this
To Yo and his side kick by Slalom 1, Wrong,wrong! It is impossible for NSWR to play all top ten AAAAA teams. The system is not set-up to allow that to happen. That is crazy because the football season would never end. However, you are suggesting this should be NSWR legitamacy to their national standing as the best team in GA. You know as well as I do winning is cyclical. The best team in any classification will have maybe a two/three year run. Parkwood, Brookwood, Peach County, Buford, La Grange, Lowndes County, Lincoln County, West Rome, to name a few. This just happens to be NSWR time. Give them credit! Next year in all the national rating agencies, it could Carrolton, Charlton County, Gainsville, East Paulding, etc. to hold this esteem rating as one of the best in the nation. Will one of these teams be so viciously attacked as NSWR? There is a chance NSWR will move up to 5A next year. That is up in the air by the Georgia Sports Association because another County High School (Veterans) will soon be built. When another Parkwood or Brookwood emerges, perhaps you can lay claim to them being the best. For now, it is all NSWR.
By TCC2001
October 16, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this
NSHS FAN …who in the world is Parkwood..you mean parkview right…lol…cant win state if you dont know what you talkin bout homie…lol…get it right man get it right
By NTH Trojans
October 16, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this
To slalom: First of all, thanks for acknowledging that 5A & 4A are not the only strong classes out there. While I agree that 2AAA is the strongest region in AAA, it isn’t the only tough region. There is also 6AAA, 1AAA, & 7AAA (which I feel is right behind 2AAA). I mean, what does it say about AAA when the 2 teams in the finals last year are ranked 9 & 10 this year? As for 7AAA, it speaks volumes when a team like Gainesville has 3 losses already. The team at the top in that region is North Hall.
By TCC2001
October 16, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this
NSHS FAN ….”The best team in any classification will have maybe a two/three year run. Parkwood, Brookwood, Peach County, Buford, La Grange, Lowndes County, Lincoln County, West Rome, to name a few.”…what is all that can i get so 5 out of 6 year run love for TCC baby boi!
By TCC2001
October 16, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this
NSHS FAN ….”The best team in any classification will have maybe a two/three year run. Parkwood, Brookwood, Peach County, Buford, La Grange, Lowndes County, Lincoln County, West Rome, to name a few.”…what is all that can i get so 5 out of 6 years run love for TCC baby boi!
By TCC2001
October 16, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this
NSHS FAN ….”The best team in any classification will have maybe a two/three year run. Parkwood, Brookwood, Peach County, Buford, La Grange, Lowndes County, Lincoln County, West Rome, to name a few.”…what is all that can i get so 5 out of 6 years run love for TCC baby boi!
By Gilbofootball
October 16, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this
Reg 6-AAAA is where it’s at !!! Tucker, SWD, Mays, Marist, St.P are all top notch. Look for Tucker to go all the way.
By Todd Holcomb
October 16, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this
WHY IS IT THAT M.L.KING IS #3 BUT WE BEAT THE #1 TEAM ON FRIDAY WHY IS IT THAT EVERYBODY IS LOOKING OVER M.L.KING INCLUDEIN YOU WE DESERVE TO BE #1 IN OUR FIRST YEAR IN 5A FOOTBALL WE WENT TO THE 2ND ROUND OF THE PLAY OFFS AND WE STILL DONT GET ANY RESPECT FRM ANTBODY WHY IS THAT TODD
MLK has played the weakest schedule among the top three teams.
MLK has a pair of one-point victories over teams (Douglass, Redan) that have lost to opponents in a lower classification.
North Cobb and North Gwinnett have played tougher schedules and been more decisive in their victories.
Also consider that MLK’s current ranking is the school’s highest in history in any classification. It’s no insult to be No. 3.
I WAS AT THE NW WHITFIELD AND RIDGELAND GAME AND RIDGELAND IS ALOT BETTER THAN MEDIOCRE
Ridgeland was 5-1 last season also, but finished up with three straight losses — 34-3, 30-0 and 30-0. I don’t think Ridgeland is among the best 20 teams in AAAA.
I don’t beleive that north georgia football is on a path to be better than south georgia football. I think what you are seeing is that north georgia is finally starting to catch up to south georgia. Granted you can take one or two seasons and base all of your statistics on that.
I never said that North Georgia football was better than South Georgia football. I did write an article that posed the question of whether North Georgia teams would be dominating in the highest classification in the future. This theory isn’t based on which area of the state plays better football, but the fact that there are many more AAAAA schools in North Georgia. Fifteen years ago, that wasn’t true. It was about even. Now, metro teams in the highest class far outnumber non-metro teams.
why is Chattahoochee not ranked since they have beaten Roswell and Camden County being that both games were away games and against two very good teams?
I appreciate you challenging me on that because it was probably the toughest call I made in the rankings this week.
Chattahoochee could easily be ranked. It’s splitting hairs trying to separate Nos. 6-13, in my opinion.
Yes, Hooch does have two victories over very good teams (Camden and Roswell, both of which are unranked, by the way).
However, several teams have played two very good teams. The only difference is that those other teams (Walton, Grayson, Norcross) split those games, while Hooch swept.
However, Hooch lost to Wheeler. So the bottom line is that all those teams are 5-1 (or 6-1) playing vs. similar schedules.
But here’s another factor I considered: Chattahoochee also struggled vs. below-average Lassiter (28-25).
Chattahoochee has put itself in danger of losing four times. That’s more than all those other 5-1/6-1 teams.
Again, I’m not dogging Chattahoochee, which has accomplished a lot, but I think those teams ranked 6-10 have done just as much or more with the schedules they’ve faced.
Can someone (Todd Holcomb maybe?) explain how region 6 in 5A determine their 4 playoff slots?
I’ll have to ask one of the coaches to confirm, but here’s what I remember from last season:
The top two teams in each subregion qualify for the state playoffs, and those standings are based on subregion games only.
The No. 1 seed is determined based on head-to-head meeting, if applicable. That’s why Wheeler was #1 last season over Roswell.
What I’m not sure about is what happens if the first-place teams didn’t play each other. In that case, I assume that the team w/ the best overall region record would get it, but it might just as easily be a coin flip because you wouldn’t want to penalize a team for playing a tougher schedule.
If I find the real answer, I’ll report back.
By NSHS FAN
October 16, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this
Sorry everyone, I did mean Parkview! TCC, I was surprised of your comment about getting the school’s name right. In the meantime, I did have a problem with your “im frum Cleveland”. At least I did spell “Parkwood” correctly. Now, concerning how tough TCC is———have you forgotten NSWR kicked TCC butt in the quarter final in 2005? Oh yes smarter, TCC had moved up from 3A. It didn’t help! Last year you were eliminted by St.Pius so talk your smack when you win a Champion ship at the AAAA since you elected to play with us.
By WhiteAndGold
October 16, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
Yo
NHS is by far the best in the state. You can argue that 5A has a tougher division if you want. Sure 5A has more students ergo a larger population of establish a football team from. 5A even has more parents available to donate money to their programs. What we are talking about is the best coached group of athletes in the state. That team is in Warner Robins this year. Their schedule might be tougher if they were in 5A. Shoot they might even have to play their starter more than the first half a few extra games but the results will be the same. I for one will place my faith in paid sports analyst, not the opinion of bloggers. According to SI those analysts have NHS ranked in the top 10 nationally. So tell me what is the highest ranked 5A team in the State of Georgia?
By NHS Forever
October 16, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this
“Yo”—your argument comparing 5A to the SEC and 4A to Big 10 is ludicrous. Florida destroyed Ohio State last year because they were THE BETTER TEAM. Anyone who watched that game could see that, just as anyone who watches NWR objectively can tell that they are the best in this state, this year. As to the history, that’s just what it is—history. When Northside lost those state title or semi-final games against Parkview, Statesboro, and Lowndes, it is because those other teams were just a little bit better. To say this Northside team isn’t the best now because of losing in past years to slightly better teams is wrong and prejudiced.
We are enjoying our run and will as long as it lasts. No one is claiming we are a dynasty for years to come. But in the here and now, NHS is best!
By kings eyes in the sky
October 16, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this
Why is it when a school from DEKALB COUNTY is doing pretty good, you are quick to say that oh it is a down year in football,particularly AAAAA. But when a school from down south is at the top, oh, they are considered a top program, they are the best, and all these other racially motivated statements. Look at MLK’s history and see how many other schools have had that much success in such a short period of time. Look at Dekalb, take all the teams and combine them to one and none of you would have anything to talk about because you wouldn’t win. Look at all the county schools and look at the schools in the county and compare the difference and records.
By NTH Trojans
October 16, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this
To Todd Holcomb: In a previous blog topic you said that there are 4 or 5 teams that could win AAA. Those teams are the AJC’s top 5 now. What about Peach Co. and Shaw, last years finalists? Also, how would you rank AAA’s regions from strongest to weakest?
By Yellow Jackets of Thomas county
October 16, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this
nshs fan tcc was in 3A when they won all their championships. And now they are in 4A. When they moved up so did every other team.For an example Valdosta, Parkveiw, and Brookwood,were in 4A now in 5A. So your comment on win one in 4A makes no since at all. But since you made the comment, look for them to win state this year.Tcc is very good this year. They are a whole diffrent team than the 2005 team. I believe that no team can stop their running game. Their o-line is very quick and strong. D-line is quick and strong also. As a whole TCC is very well rounded this year at all positions. If things go like they are suppose to, TCC while host the state championship home at the Jackets Nest. One of the hardest stadiums in the state to get a win. 27-1 the states best far as post-season wins. Tucker will be nswr biggest challenge this year until they have to face the THOMAS COUNTY CENTRAL YELLOW JACKETS.
By andre
October 16, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this
turner county football.beat the #1 ranked wilcox county with there high power offense scored only 6 points great defense turner county.
wilcox county maybe next year.see in basketball,i think we rank #2 in 1a in boys basketball in the pre season ranking. returning 4 starters d. ewing 6’5 forward,t.davis 6’3 guard,s.jackson5’7 guard,k.odums 6’6 center and newcomer j.burgess 6’4 guard.bench player’s c. spears 6’8 soph. center and b. dixon 6’7 freshman great offensive player.
watch out whitfield .
By devil lover
October 16, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this
Hey Tobb… great discussion however I think that the Coach’s poll on gasports better represents the teams who are currently playing better and are capable of finishing strong.
The biggest differences are Norcross at no.6 and Cattahoochee at no.10.
The coaches remember that Norcross beat Walton in the preseason and Cattahoochee has beat two good teams on the road. And while North Cobb appears to be an excellent team, North Gwinnett has won over three goood teams who have been in your top ten this year.
Top ten teams should not necessarily be piked because of last year’s success( I wish…Norcross was undefeated,the regional champions and beat NG decisively) but because of their current record.
I would be hard pressed to pick someone who has lost two games right now to be in the top ten. Therefore Roswell and Peachtree Ridge needs to make way for teams who have been more successful.
By devil lover
October 16, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this
Also Tobb, how about Jenkins 5-0 and Milton 5-1? Shouldn’t one of these two teams be ahead of Peachtree Ridge who is 5-2 based on this record?
By devil lover
October 16, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this
Also Tobb, how about Jenkins 5-0 and Milton 5-1? Shouldn’t one of these two teams be ahead of Peachtree Ridge who is 5-2 based on this record?
By devil lover
October 16, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this
Also Tobb, how about Jenkins 5-0 and Milton 5-1. Shouldn’t one of these two teams be ahead of Peachtree Ridge who is 5-2 based on this year’s record?
By yo
October 16, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
“Yo”—your argument comparing 5A to the SEC and 4A to Big 10 is ludicrous. Florida destroyed Ohio State last year because they were THE BETTER TEAM Thanks for making my ludicrous point…..again!!
talk your smack when you win a Champion ship at the AAAA since you elected to play with us. At least TCC is willing to back up its mouth by its actions. Last time I checked NSHS is still claiming to be better than all AAAAA but it seems to be all talk. I think you are still playing in AAAA. Why don’t you quit talking the useless smack and prove the point…come on up!!! Just like TCC and Valdosta…who are not afraid to play up…prove you are what you say you are. Come on up!!! But before you do you better remember history, because I think all of those years you mentioned, you “thought” you were the best team in Ga those years, too!!! Remember you have only won one state championship and you weren’t playing with the Big Boys when you did it. And it still took 7 years!!!!! Don’t make excuses about another school, be manly like TCC and Come on Up!!! AAAAA is “not” afraid of the competition and you can make a lot more money, so Come on up!!! or stay in AAAA where it is safe and keep on talking, but talk is cheap.
By yo
October 16, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this
I for one will place my faith in paid sports analyst, not the opinion of bloggers. I bet you only put your faith in these guys when it is “your” team they are bragging about. Trying to think back now…lets see…do you recall what these guys had you ranked Nationally when Lowndes took you down in 1999? And you still have faith in these guys? Like I said, only when it is to your benefit to claim them, then you do.
By Reeze
October 16, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this
I really think all of you TCC loyals need to take a harder look around all the AAAA regions before you start screaming state champions!and this even includes all NSWR fans as well.It’s a lot of good teams out there this year in AAAA.And really, looking at your opponents so far this season,neither team would put fear in a PoP Warner under 75 lbs league.It’s already known your defense is suspect this year,take a look at NSWR,Baldwin(21 were on ot,exclude the 31 we put on them),Westside (22 were in ot) or Tuckers PA totals,believe me no where near 85 points.You can have all the offense you want ,If you dont have any defense ,you won go anywhere.As far as your offense goes, we have two teams in our region that run the veer,NSWR defense eats it up, and The kids we play against are lightening quick,just like your kids,nothing new.You will have to beat us with a balanced attack,and keep the ball away from our offense,TCC loyals if you can do that. You’ll whip us, but we NSWR loyals hasn’t seen it done since DEC 2005.Anyway looking at the playoff picture ,you guys may have Westside-Macon visiting the nest .They are not the same team you sqeaked by last year in the playoffs Ok til the playoffs then.
By NHS Forever
October 16, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
Yo, you really don’t get it, do you? The Florida-Ohio St. comparison was meant to show it boils down to what team is better than the other, not which league. An individual team can be the best regardless of classification. Northside was in AAAAA when they narrowly lost to Parkview (led by Jeff Francoeur), one of the better teams in state history. A 12-7 loss to that team was no embarassment. But again, that was then and this is now.
And the now is: Max Preps: Northside number 4 nationally. Sports Ill: Northside number 6 nationally. PrepNation: Northside number 8 nationally.
No 5A team from GA ranked anywhere close to the top 50 nationally.
I don’t know what you have against Northside, but you obviously need to come watch them play. Your opinion would change. And as far as being afraid to play 5A teams, they always play Houston and WR, both of which are normally powerful opponents. They are both down this year, but that isn’t Northside’s fault. Get over your jealousy.
By cool cell
October 16, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
Carver-columbus , has the best QB/WR duo in the state of georgia. Also Duron Furr is the best QB in the whole state. Carver vs LG oct.27…should prove this statement!
By Todd Holcomb
October 16, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this
how about Jenkins 5-0 and Milton 5-1. Shouldn’t one of these two teams be ahead of Peachtree Ridge who is 5-2 based on this year’s record?
Devil: There are probably 20 teams in AAAAA that would be undefeated with Jenkins’ schedule. What’s the point in having rankings if it’s just based on W-L record? We have standings for that. If Jenkins had played Peachtree Ridge’s schedule, I suspect Jenkins would be 4-3, at best.
And Milton? Do you really think Milton should be ahead of PR or Roswell?
The coaches like to reward undefeated teams in the rankings (Cedar Shoals, Cherokee, Carver-ATL, Jenkins)out of respect, it appears to me. I don’t think those any of those teams are good enough to make the quarterfinals, and that’s essentially what a Top 10 team is.
In a previous blog topic you said that there are 4 or 5 teams that could win AAA. Those teams are the AJC’s top 5 now. What about Peach Co. and Shaw, last years finalists? Also, how would you rank AAA’s regions from strongest to weakest?
I don’t think Shaw or Peach can win it this year. I strongly believe it will be among those top five — Carver, LaGrange, Carrollton, Stephens, North Hall. I’d need some time to rank the regions. Maybe next week. Clearly, Region 2 has the top guns, but it’s also got some pretty sorry teams, too. FWIW, the Massey computer rankings (of BCS fame) ranks them 6-1-2-7-4-8-5-3.
Why is it when a school from DEKALB COUNTY is doing pretty good, you are quick to say that oh it is a down year in football,particularly AAAAA.
Kings: Not sure if you’re responding to something I said or someone else, but I’ve never said this was a down year for AAAAA or for Georgia high school football.
Now, I will say that this is a year in which the AAAAA champion will not be considered a team for the ages. That’s because we’ve played only 7 weeks, and every AAAAA team has already proven itself vulnerable.
But the class overall is probably as strong as ever.
By yo
October 16, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this
Yo, you really don’t get it, do you? The Florida-Ohio St. comparison was meant to show it boils down to what team is better than the other, not which league. An individual team can be the best regardless of classification. Lets just say some one doesn’t get it, but then you put your faith in national ratings too. AAAAA is still waiting on you to quit talking and come on up!!! No jealousy here..my team has 4 state championships in the biggest classification. And we didnt need national rankings to prop us up. We beat the biggest boys in the state at that time and proved it on the field. Now you prove it….come on up!!! Quit beating on AAAA teams every week except 2 (give me a break) and come on up!!! Play them every week of every year and beat them (unlike you have been able to do in the past) and then I will give you all of your due. For what its worth I respect NSHS (the team) but the best team in the state stuff year after year by the fans gets to be old. Especially since they have “never” proved it. Some come on up!!! and prove it…Ohio State look a like…now do you get it?
By slalom1
October 16, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this
To: “NTH Trojans” As I have stated on this blog before, there was a time when I was just like most of these uninformed AAAAA fans. It was back when my team WAS in the state’s largest classification. Never gave a second thought to the schools in lower classifications. Until…my school was no longer in the state’s largest classification. I was absolutely shocked by the competition in AAA, in particular among the state’s top programs. When all is said and done, most AAAAA fans could give a “you know what” about anything non-AAAAA. They are not interested in the fact that AAA Carrollton has whipped AAAAA Newnan for 4 years running. They did not notice that AA Buford put the lumber to AAAAA East Coweta 35-7 during the 2006 season. And now, they are having a “hissy-fit” about the national recognition being given to Northside WR.(AAAA) I would really prefer not starting up the “enrollment vs. roster” issue again. However, that is the real story, which most AAAAA fans either chose to ignore, or deny. Enrollment is important. But it is not THE most important factor in a high school team’s greatness.
1 is community support 2 is roster 3 is coaching 4 (FINALLY) is enrollmentAny school, regardless of classification, can and WILL win, when their team’s school has the advantage in community support, roster, and coaching. Hail Mary!
By yo
October 16, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this
NHS forever…don’t you think if your coaches thought you could compete in AAAAA “successfully” you would be playing in AAAAA. What is holding you guys back? Let me inform you…it is because AAAA championships are easier to come by…if they weren’t you guys would claim your real bragging rights and come on up!!!
By yo
October 16, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this
ps-the mythical national rankings and paid prognosticators might even call you the #1 team in the nation come the end of the year (that would be fine with me), the problem is you will not have proved you are even the #1 team in Georgia if they did. Now that would be a shame.
By slalom1
October 16, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this
TO: “NSHS FAN” Do not know how I could have possibly been included among the group of Northside bashers. To the contrary,I have been an outspoken proponent of Northside. VERY proud of all the recognition that this AAAA school has earned. Not only do I believe that Northside is “hands down” the best anywhere in Georgia this season, but also believe that they would have manhandled any team in the state in 2006.
By NSHS FAN
October 16, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this
Sorry Slalom 1, We are cool. Someone p——d me off and I thought it was you. I must apologize. Another subject: I do believe Buford could play with any of the big boys in 3A,4A, or 5A. Wouldn’t it be something if the champions from each classification played each other—-
By yo
October 16, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this
slalom 1…so why don’t they come on up??? Prove it…remove all doubt…Valdosta has…Come up at least. TCC has…come up at leat. I mean lets face it…AAAA is no different than AAAAA according to all the postings on this board…so what keeps them down? Their actions and their words are not matching up. Now just because some one states facts others don’t wish to hear does not mean they are bashing. People feel like they are being bashed because the truth is a very painful thing sometimes. The fact is all of the schools can step up in classification but they don’t and maybe that is because they see the Valdosta’s and the TCC’s of the world stopped winning state championships when they did. Now those are facts…hurtful facts…to those who get their feelings hurt so easily.
By Reeze
October 16, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this
Yo! NSWR had success playing with the “Big Boys”, We made it to the semi’s and the finals ,the other years we went deep in the rounds.Remember a few years back when the 5A class was created the big boys were already in 4A with us!We moved into the new class, and for some reason ,which i disageed with we came down,I think the Demons did to,The move down had nothing to do with fear of competetion,We were already slugging it out with them .From 1998 -2003 when we were playing with the “big boys” We went 69-9. I think Slalom 1 is right about uninformed bloggers,YOU! my friend are the poster child.Look dude nobody’s really hyped about any type of rankings,State or National,not real footballers.In fact Nix thinks its a burden.Just because NSWR is ranked,don’t feel its to degade TCC in any way,by now true ballers around the state usually by this time of year knows who’s who,Dude TCC is there,we know this,everyone in the state knows this.And As i said in an earlier post ,You guys have to more to deal with than NSWR, there ‘s Baldwin, Westside, Mays,Tucker,Upson_Lee,Evans,Cedar Shoals,E Paulding,Fayette Co. The list goes on this year in AAAA.The only way our teams could meet this year(If we get by Upson-Lee and Westside)is the championship round,You may think its easy to get there! Last year in round 3 you guys overlooked a good St.Pius team.Remembering the blogs last year,all we read is what you guys were gonna do when dome time came against NSWR.What happened?St.Pius came back and punched you in the nose,and the same thing can happen this year.As i said in an earlier post YO, wait Til playoff time
By slalom1
October 16, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this
To: “Yo” Alright Yo. Here is the deal: There is much more to take into consideration than “bragging rights” when it comes to the decision by a school to play in whatever region and class that it may come down to. 1-Travel considerations 2-Fan support from the potential region 3-Facilities, (This may at first glance seem a little trivial, but not really.) A good example is region 2AAA. Too many teams. Not enough stadiums. 11 teams, and only 4 stadiums. This means too many Thursday and Saturday night/Saturday afternoon games. Like Valdosta, LaGrange now has to accomodate not only Troup, Callaway, and LaGrange. But also, LaGrange College. 4-Money. We all know that even at the high school level, money talks. Numbers 1-3, listed above all come down to money. Granted, football is the “cash cow”,but the other sports also have to be taken into consideration. They cost money too. If it were up to me to make the call, as a fan, I would take your lead and vote to “step up” in classification. But, that would be for “bragging rights”. Bottom line is that should LaGrange “Step up” to AAAAA, they would be placed into a region which includes Newnan, East Coweta, Hiram, etc.) No disrespect to Newnan nor E. Coweta. But this particular AAAAA region is nowhere nearly as tough as 2AAA. Neither is the fan support as vibrant as 2AAA. Money, money, money. Regarding playing in AAAAA vs. AAA, or AAAA….It simply depends on which region you would be placed in. In this particular scenario, LaGrange is better off playing in AAA, rather than “stepping up” and playing in AAAAA. Just for the record, Calloway Stadium in LaGrange may be among the BEST 3 high school facilities anywhere in the USA.
By slalom1
October 16, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this
To “Yo” I found myself rambling(once again) in my last post. To put everything in proper perspective, the point I am trying to make is that “All AAAAA regions are not equal.” Neither are the regions of AAAA, AAA, AA, and A. Some are better than others. In many cases, the AAAAA regions in a particular area, are not nearly as competitive as their AAA or AAAA counterparts. In looking at the “BIG PICTURE”, some schools are better off by not “stepping up” in classification.
By andre
October 16, 2007 7:49 PM | Link to this
turner county football beat wilcox county 14-6 haven’t lost a region game in 2 years and we’re in one of the toughest region in the state dooly,wicox,hawkville,and irwin county.4 of us have been rank this year.3 of us rank now #5 dooly county #9 wilcox and #8 turner county to much power in 2A subregion IN 2B NO POWER ,REALIGN THE REGIONS.
By slalom1
October 16, 2007 8:03 PM | Link to this
To: “Todd Holcomb” Todd, I am not as young as I once was, but neither is anyone else. Aside from that, for some reason I began to sort out your TOP 10 high school coaches list, and I must ask,”Max Bass?” On what grounds? By what standards? By what records? Granted Coach Bass has the distinction of being the only coach in GHS history to actually have the GHSA step in and BAN the football camo jerseys that Coach Bass felt would give the advantage to his players. (Come to think of it, not a bad idea.) Regardless, Newnan had tremendous talent under Max Bass, but NEVER won the BIG one.(Unless I may be mistaken). I do remember watching a very good LaGrange team getting spanked by Newnan in 1992. Newnan’s roster looked like an SEC roster.(Linemen: I remember counting somewhere between 30 players in the 230-335lb. range.). But, that was not where their talent was. It was in QB Derrick Stegall,(GT) RB Cory Bridges(4.28 forty), and several other studs in the backfield. But, that was Max Bass. Always had talent, but NEVER won the big one. FYI: The 1992 Newnan team in my mind may have been the best group of players EVER assembled in Georgia. But, they would lose in the first round of the state play-offs to region1AAAA Colquit Co. 28-13. (On a wet field.) Who cares? Newnan lost, AGAIN.
By JUST AN OBSERVER
October 16, 2007 8:40 PM | Link to this
i know this will probably upset a lot of people, but everyone down south needs to quit whining about their team not being in the top 10. Lowndes is obviously the only true power up to this point, and they lost to a north GA team, as did valdosta. i think LHS and VHS are the only two south GA schools who will make a run in the playoffs. and until VHS proves themselves, as they have a chance to this week, they don’t deserve the top 10. 37-6 ain’t top 10 material. Lowndes, even though they have the 1 loss against Harrison, has proven themselves against everyone else they’ve played, and we’ll see how real they are this friday. i don’t think their is some huge bias like everyone thinks. north GA is doing well this year, and you should respect it and not whine so much. and no matter how anyone feels, whether south or north is better, the REAL teams will come out in the playoffs.
By slalom1
October 16, 2007 8:40 PM | Link to this
To: NSHS FAN, You are right. This Buford team looks real good. I still do not believe that they could hang with NSWR, but probably with anyone else. This year’s Northside team is very simply among the best to EVER play in Georgia. And, on a given night, Buford may very well be the team to upset any team in any class. So, it comes down to this: 1-Northside WR. 2-Buford 3-Lowndes 4-(Here goes) Brookwood 5-LaGrange 6-Carver(of Columbus) 7-Carrollton 8-Thomas County 9-(the Gwinnett County team of your choice) 10-Coffee County 10-Valdosta (Tie)
By Brett
October 16, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this
OMG! Still no Cherokee. Guess your still bitter from the win over Brookwood a few years ago. Let it go man!!!
By NC PLAYER
October 16, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this
i would love to see Harrison again on a dry field. we have more team speed. and we hardly threw the ball that night because of the rain. the referees threw plenty of flags on us too, and maybe if you hadnt had penalties your long plays would never have happened. so i’d love to see HHS again. how bout december 14?
By T.J.
October 16, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this
Question I have is what the ranking will be WHEN Norcross losses to North Gwinnett! What will determine a change with bottom 3 teams in the AAAAA rankings? The score? Win/loss records? Any given Friday someone can lose, everyone does not need to get so wound up over rankings. Bottom line is someone from Gwinnett will win State anyways!
By slalom1
October 16, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this
To: Todd Holcomb: You are right on both counts. 1-2AAA has the top dawgs. 2-2AAA has some pretty sorry teams. But, Your honor, 2AAA has 11 teams in their region. In addition to Carver, Shaw, and LaGrange, 2 AAA also has Harris County, Troup, and Hardaway. Never mind how good the TOP 3 are, look at the next 3. I have seen each of these teams play. The TOP 3 stand alone. But, Harris County would embarrass many AAAAA schools, (as would the BIG 3).
By Warrior Dad!
October 16, 2007 10:20 PM | Link to this
I agree with Chris Whitfield, that North Cobb has a very talented pair with Roark and Middleton. They also have a lot of other weapons that are not being utilized. If Coach Queen would stop trying to run the entire show and believe in his coaching staff with the play selection, there would be no questions as to how far this team would go. This is a very good team and if they don’t make it to the finals - it won’t be because of a lack of talent on the team. It would be because of questionable play calling. If this team stays motivated and not get demotivated, they will go all the way.
By Michael
October 16, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this
North Cobb will surprise doubters in the playoffs. They are big, fast and execute their plays well. The run the best spread offense in Ga. H.S. football that I have seen thus far.
Only 4A team that has the best chance on beating Northside WR is Thomas Co. Central. I have seen them play before and Central always seems to give them a hard time.
North Cobb Mom:
You should be a football coach because your words are so true.
By yo
October 16, 2007 11:00 PM | Link to this
Reeze…I didnt say you were not successful in the biggest classification when you played there, the point is you were never “good enough”. Now, please tell me how that is a misinformed statement. If you have won a state championship in Ga’s largest classification at some point in history that I am not aware of then I must apologize for being a misinformed blogger. If you have not then…… For clarification purposes-“good enough” means State Champions. The best in the State of Ga needs to have played the best and been “good enough” when having played there or they are not the best. Again, NSHS a very good football team but has never been “good enough” when competing in the largest classification. By the way,the largest classification (when you never did win a state championship) used to be easier than it is now. So if you couldn’t then, I have strong doubts for now.
By yo
October 16, 2007 11:05 PM | Link to this
Good points “Just an observer” but my gut tells me it will be Coffee and not Valdosta taking second in the region and making more of an impact in the playoffs.
By NHS Forever
October 16, 2007 11:25 PM | Link to this
Yo, the only thing I get is that you need to get your 5A blinders off and look at reality. Georgia football isn’t the only example of the best team coming from a lower classification. This happens routinely across the country. Lakeland,Fl was the best in that state last year and one of the best in the nation. They play in a lower classification. Independence High in North Carolina was that State’s best, also playing in a lower classification. It happens all the time. I am not detracting from 5A, I’m just saying you don’t have to play in that classification to be the best. But I know I’ll never convince you, and that’s fine. We’ll just disagree.
By To NHS Forever
October 16, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this
I hope you don’t put stock in MaxPreps rankings. They have two of the top teams in the nation ranked 32nd and 33rd. That being Katy, Texas and Southlake Carroll, Texas. Miami Northwestern is the top high school team and they are only ranked 9 and Prattville, AL is 10th. So much for the MaxPrep rankings….they’re a joke. And to close, in Georgia Buford and Charlton County can play with and likely beat Northside WR.
By Will Excuses Ever End?
October 16, 2007 11:46 PM | Link to this
When will south Georgia run out of excuses? Harrison beat Lowndes because (get this>>) ‘it was a wet stormy night’. Didn’t Harrison play on the same field that night? You got shutout on your south Georgia home field that night so live with it. But you did bounce back and beat AAA and AAAA teams the following weekends; wow!
By mlkalumni
October 16, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this
MLK yall keep doing yall thang, if they dont wanna give yall respect, make them. Its obvious that no matter who yall beat, they gon always have something bad to say like yall gotta keep proving yall self…even when yall win a championship, they still gon try to hate, but its cool, we know wuzup and thats all dat matters… So when yall win, make sure u give a big ups 2 all ya haters, MR HOLCOMB especially!!!
By Region 6 Four Spots
October 17, 2007 12:05 AM | Link to this
How is the sequence of the four playoff teams in region 6 determined since there are two divisions?
By To TCCjacketfan
October 17, 2007 12:41 AM | Link to this
Your comment of “2) Georgia high school football is vastly underrated and can easily be compared to Florida, Texas, California etc.”
You are correct; Georgia can be easily compared to Florida, Texas, California etc but just not favorable; at least not with Texas. I grew up in Georgia and was transferred by my employer to Texas for a dozen years before returning to Georgia. I thought no where could compare with Georgia high school football when I moved out there but I was wrong. Football in Texas is at another level when compared to Georgia. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a die-hard GA high school fan and never miss a game for 16 straight weeks in Georgia. We play good football here but in Texas, it’s a religion. 45,000 at a playoff game and it’s only the second round…no where but Texas; season tickets willed to the next generation…no where but Texas; travel 400 miles or more for a playoff game…no where but Texas; play neutral field for all rounds of the playoffs…no where but Texas. We could borrow some good ideas from them if we would just look and learn.
By NHS Forever
October 17, 2007 7:55 AM | Link to this
To the respondent using my name, it’s funny how ratings are useless when they don’t fit your viewpoint. MaxPreps uses their owns system, right or wrong, it is what it is for all teams. Those other teams may be better than their current rating, they will have a chance to move up if they prove it on the field and in the playoffs.
As to Buford and Charlton Co., both very good teams, I think they would give Northside a good game also, for a half or so. But to say they would probably beat Northside again shows you and others are simply jealous of the success we are enjoying. It’s nice to be the best, isn’t it?
By to Warrior Dad
October 17, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this
Dude, seriously … you’re going to criticize Coach Queen? Two years ago North Cobb was 2-6 in the region I believe and they struggled for a long time before that. Queen and his coaching staff came in and last year NC went 6-2 in the region tied for first and hosted a playoff for the first time in ten years. This year they are 7-0 under his “questionable play calling” and ranked #1 in the state. And under other sides of the argument we have almost 50% more kids involved in the program and grades, attitudes, fundraising, etc. is all doing a thousand times better.
No one ever has any room to criticize Shane Queen … if anything he should be the Cobb County coach of the year - again.
By NSHS FAN
October 17, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this
To YO, I totally agree with BY Northside Forever, you don’t have to be in or ever play play the highest classification teams to be the best. A proven point is basketball, teams play up and down in different classifications without any noticeable advantage. When Dwight Howard played at 1A level no team in any classification could touch them. Also, they were rated nationally when other Georgia team were not. To continue to complaint about NSWR success is crazy. Hell, every team in 5A hasn’t won a championship. Some you could move to 1A and the results would be the same. Stop hating! Be proud that a team from the State of Georgia is recognized by national agencies.
By yo
October 17, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this
To “Will Excuses Ever End?”…S. Ga and Lowndes is not making excuses. We are just realistic to the facts. The fact is if (to make some bloggers on this blog extremely happy) Lowndes would have played NSHS on that particular night we probably would have lost 50-0. A “very good” team would have destroyed us. Instead you could only beat us 9-0. We were clearly the more atletic team that could not get its act in gear offensively. Shoot, we couldn’t even take the ball from center to Qback without it being a disaster. Now that is not an excuse, we take the blame. It was definitely our fault we lost. Unfortunately better teams lose to inferior teams at times and we made sure that night we did. You still get the W. If I were you and I were at that game…you were there supporting your team right…then I would be concerned about my teams ability to take on the upper echelon from a physical stand point.
By yo
October 17, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this
NSHS Fan…good try..but comparing Football and Basketball is like comparing Basketball and soccer…that just doesn’t fly. The last time I checked one takes 5 players (basketball) and the other takes 22 (football). Now for your “be the best” comment I kind of figure If I haven’t successfully pulled that little light swithch in your head by now then I am not going to ever succeed. You need to reread every thing I have said very carefully and maybe you will understand the point. Maybe?
By TCC2001
October 17, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this
to NHSH Fan….“im frum Cleveland”. Its called ebonics fool and im an educated brotha so get it right before you say something Parkwood fan.And if you got prolems go get help. And to all yall Ohio State bashers….whose number one and if i recall where is florida now…past couple of years Tressel has kept Ohio State at the top of the rankings…meanwhile florida’s rebuilding while we just reloaded and continued beating the crap outta ere’body who want it…And thats right TCC did move up…but we are still legitimate contenders every year not every, other year, not every once in a while. NSHS was 4a when we were 3a right…so shouldnt they be in 5a…oh and didnt yall choke when the big bois were in 4a and there was no 5a…while TCC was busy winning championships…good records and no rings sux dont it…i guess TCC would be feeling like that to if it were like Northside…Just like people and media overlook Ohio State you do the same to TCC in GA.
By Cougar Mom
October 17, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this
Chattahoochee deserves to ranked among the Top 10. Mr. Holcomb, while I appreciate your honesty with your response to cougarfan I must disagree with your reasoning. The Cougars point spread may not be by much but a win is a win, correct? Let’s not forget that Hooch beat Camden County, a former high school State Champion as well as Roswell the defending 2007 State Champions. Why did we win? Our boys played with determination because they wanted to win more than the opposing teams. Even with our win on Friday against Roswell we still didn’t get any love from the AJC. But you know what, that’s okay because we will see you at the Dome after the Cougars win the State! Then maybe, just maybe Mr. Holcomb you will show us some love and repect! And the Cougars will get the ranking that we know we deserve! Go Cougars!!!!
By Cougar Mom
October 17, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this
Chattahoochee deserves to ranked among the Top 10. Mr. Holcomb, while I appreciate your honesty with your response to cougarfan I must disagree with your reasoning. The Cougars point spread may not be by much but a win is a win, correct? Let’s not forget that Hooch beat Camden County, a former high school State Champion as well as Roswell the defending 2007 State Champions. Why did we win? Our boys played with determination because they wanted to win more than the opposing teams. Even with our win on Friday against Roswell we still didn’t get any love from the AJC. But you know what, that’s okay because we will see you at the Dome after the Cougars win the State! Then maybe, just maybe Mr. Holcomb you will show us some love and repect! And the Cougars will get the ranking that we know we deserve! Go Cougars!!!!
By momma
October 17, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this
Ncobb is good and we new we needed to watch them this year, but the ref’s were not on our side and when other teams oaches call in to complain to the higher authority’s then you know the proof is in the firing. Has anyone seen some of those guys lately, that ref’d, because I called and found out that 2 of them lost their jobs or quit.
We’d love to see NCOBB on our turf and see what happens. I know we are better then NCOBB.
Yes signed Harrison Parent!!
Go Hoyas….
By GSN
October 17, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this
Discuss the Gwinnett County sports scene at Gwinnett Sports Net.
By Fan
October 17, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this
Everyone, the North Cobb/Harrison game is over. Harrison has their view and North Cobb their’s. Maybe the two will meet again in the playoffs and settle it.
Enjoy this week’s action
By jimmy
October 17, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this
as a lowndes fan, i think the only ranking that really matters is the one after week 16, thats the one that concerns me anyways. as far as AAAAA vs. AAAA, again,,,no difference except maybe when it comes to depth.
By devil lover
October 17, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this
Somebody please help me out. Tell me who has NCobb has played that would be considered talented enough to make the qtr finals or better in the state championship? If you only say Harrison then tell we who they have played that qualifies as qtr finals or better.
Todd I think the issue is that most teams aren’t having to play very many good teams before they get into the playoffs. That is why I don’t think we ought to send four teams per region. There is only about two to three teams per region that qualifies as a potential state championship team. And based on who NCobb has played I don’t think they qualify to be no.1 yet.
By slalom1
October 17, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this
To: “TCC 2001” You are as confused and misinformed with your Ohio State football, as you are with your grammar.(Excuse me, “Ebonics”) I have a question for you about Ohio State football. Here goes: (I hope you can interpret my writing, because my skill level in Ebonics is not very good, but I will try just the same.) Here is the question, “dawg who be da #1 confronse dat ohio state in da live time of da skool has ohio state lost evry time day played in da post seeson? post seeson meen da bowls. (Bear with me “TCC 2001”. I am trying to find common ground.) Let me rephrase the question in simple English: What is the post season record of Ohio State vs. the SEC, lifetime? Answer: 0-8. (Come to think of it, maybe 0-9. Somebody help me on this.) On a related note, admittedly, I am not very good at Ebonics. TCC is. Maybe it would be fun and educational to have an “All Ebonics” night some time. “peace, luv,”
By Reeze
October 17, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this
To:Slalom 1.I am very impressed with your posts in this blog.Especially your knowledge of Ga high school football.But i don’t think it’s anyone”s place in this blog to be the grammer police.I also feel that TCC 2001 needs help,he’ll need to help himself or maybe a love one can point him in the right direction.I am an african American male in my 40’s,I hate when i hear this word ebonics.I can see you didn’t draw first blood and I am not attacking you,or anyone else,but reading your posts I think you’re intellegent enough not to add to this nonsense.This is a blog about GA High school football.Let’s keep it that way.
By Ed NSHS Fan
October 17, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this
To TCC 2001, Now I understand the reason I couldn’t follow any of your football logic. I apologize for not being able to write and speak ebonics (im frum cleveland, brotha, prolem, sux, otta, ere’, bois, etc.) I will take you with me when I visit the Dafar Region of Sudan. To think you call me a fool for not recognizing you as being an ebonic mmigrant in Georgia from Cleveland. You need to change your moniker to “Ebonics” to keep other bloggers from having to bring in a translator.
By Ed NSHS Fan
October 17, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this
To By Reeze, I didn’t see your commnets to “by slalom” until I had responded to TCC ebonics declaration. You are totally correct! We should be looking for ways to help him. He is probably engulfed with a low self esteem and strikes out wildly at anyone who opposes him. I won’t make a further reply to him concerning his grammer.
By slalom1
October 17, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this
To: “Reeze” You are right. My problem is that I have seen so many of my friends of African-American decent try, (and successfully) separate themselves from the TCC’s of the world. TCC does not speak “Ebonics”. The late, great James Brown did. And, I loved it. Ebonics, is a colloqulalism.(“used in conversation, but not formal writing.”) ref…THE POCKET DICTIONARY, Houghton Mifflin Co. * Boston. Then again, you are right. This is about Georgia High School football. I apologize for getting caught up in the moment.
By slalom1
October 17, 2007 8:25 PM | Link to this
To: “Reeze” I do not know what to say, other than” your words make good sense.” You are quite obviously a man of great wisdom. I need some of that, sometime. Thank you for your insight, and again for your wisdom.
By THAT GUY
October 17, 2007 8:31 PM | Link to this
SLALOM 1 OR THE NAME TCC GAVE YOU SLONG 1. YOUR THAT GUY. WHAT A WEIRDY.
By slalom1
October 17, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this
To: “Ed NSHS Fan” Are you in military service? It sounds as if you may be. If so,I wish you the very best, my friend. God speed.
By slalom1
October 17, 2007 8:57 PM | Link to this
To: “That Guy” If only my girlfriend would just once refer to me as “Slong 1”, I would be a made man. But……this is about GHSF. (I may very seriously take into consideration the name of “Slong 1”, as my keeper.) What a GREAT handle!!! Thank you, TCC2001!!!!
By NSHS FAN
October 17, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this
To: By Slalom 1. Something I said must have tipped you off. I am a miltary retiree. I have a civilian job now.
By Whatever
October 17, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this
Yo—your logic is delusional. But you’re confident in it, so kudos. AAAAA is weaker now than it has ever been. In past years, I would agree that Northside had not “played the best” by competing in a lower classification. But now AAAAA has no great teams and an abundance of good teams, whereas AAAA has three great teams in NHS, Tucker, and TCC.
By slalom1
October 17, 2007 10:10 PM | Link to this
To: NSHS, Good for you. You did your duty for your country, and….for many of us who never sacrificed one day of our lives for our country. As for me, you guys in the military are the HEROES of this generation. Your children and your grand children for generations to come will remember you and your legacy. You have my utmost RESECT.
By jaybo
October 17, 2007 10:50 PM | Link to this
NSHS fan get your facts straight, TCC only moved to AAAA when AAAA was added a few years ago. WE have always been AAAA since the reclassification. Furthermore, how can you classify a 14-7(2005 NSHS vs TCC) win as a butt kicking? Come on now! Since you want to talk about classification, why did NSHS drop from the states largest classification? You wanted a ring so bad for your aging coach, you dropped a class-everybody knows that NSHS should be playing in AAAA! TCC really should be in AAA, but we are not afraid to step up and man up. Go ahead NSHS, do the right thing, and move up to AAAA where you belong!!!
By jaybo
October 17, 2007 11:11 PM | Link to this
TCC moved to 4-A when 5-A was added. NSHS dropped to 4-A to win a championship. Everybody knows they should be in 5-A!(the administrator removed one of my A’s in my other post)
By For the Record
October 17, 2007 11:51 PM | Link to this
Northside plays in AAAA because their student enrollment falls within the AAAA perameters. They must consider travel costs for other non-profitable sports and activities such as baseball, wrestling, tennis, etc. With the new region alignments coming next year, Northside will move back to AAAAA. They did not drop down because of football. TCC’s enrollment mirrors Northside’s enrollment when region alignments were created in 2006.
By War Eagle
October 18, 2007 1:16 AM | Link to this
Just to let all those buford fans know, grover city is 2-6- real powerhouse. NOT.
By slalom1
October 18, 2007 1:56 AM | Link to this
To:” NHS Forever”, posted-10-16 “NHS”, you are right on the money. As I have said many times, “school enrollment matters. But, it is not nearly as important as community support, coaching, and roster. Give me 85 kids who wish to play football, along with a community who will pack the stadium on Friday night. Give me enough position coaches to “coach-up” the players who are just “high school athletes”, and finally out of those 85 players, there may be 4 or 5 gifted players who may go on to bigger and better things.(out of 85 players, there will be at least 5 or 6 “gifted” athletes) The above is THE recipe for a successful, high school championship program. And…..I NEVER mentioned enrollment, being a factor in any of this.
By jaybo
October 18, 2007 5:34 AM | Link to this
I fully understand the dynamics of enrollment as it relates to classification. I stick by what I said earlier, NSHS should be in 5-A and should have never been in 4-A. Past playoff failures in the states highest classification prompted this decision. Conrad Nix wanted a championship just that bad! Good to know you’re moving back to the states largest classification where you belong.
By NSHS FAN
October 18, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this
Thanks, “By For The Record” in your reply to “BY JAYBO” outragious, silly, mis-informed comment concerning how NSWR moved down (?) to 4AAAA (ha,ha,). Apparently his lack of knowledge leads him to believe a school can elect to play in any classification they want. The guy has “NO” understanding of how student population is the deciding factor. What a nut!
By NSHS FAN
October 18, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this
To BY JAYBO, Stop lying! You are trying to coverup now. You specifically said NSWR moved DOWN to 4AAAA from 5AAAAA. Nice try! Keep in mind, a higher classification brings no fear to a great program. It was pointed out earlier that before 5AAAAA was created, NSWR record against teams that moved up was 69-16. Against Lowndes County NSWR record is 5-1. Now What?
By NSHS FAN
October 18, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this
To By Slalom 1, You did support us and we felt your presence. We are just citizen soldiers accountable to the American public. Patriotism come in all forms, so I say thanks to you- fellow American.
By Grangerfan
October 18, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this
Northside WR and LaGrange would take any of the top 5A teams and beat them this year and LaGrange wont really be good until next year because they have absolutely no seniors this year.
By Grangerfan
October 18, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this
Northside WR and LaGrange would take any of the top 5A teams and beat them this year and LaGrange wont really be good until next year because they have absolutely no seniors this year.
By TCC2001
October 18, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this
to slalom1…get educated on da hood bro you might need to watch a lil mo BET if you want to catch on quicker…what you said just shows your ignorance…and you know what that means…1 i was not talkin to you…2 you just a hata….3 who cares about the SEC…4 ohio state had a 4 game bowl win streak before losing in the national chapionship to fla…5 dont talk unless you know what you talking about fool to Reeze … uhhh you lame homie 40 years ol and all in some ish you dont know about…i hate ebonics…you a sell out…lol…no i dont need yo luv i get that frum my women …no i dont need yo help ima grown man cept not a 40 year ol geezer…and its just a blog…you people are so simple minded… 1 word “ebonics” got yall all hot…to slalom1 oh and by the way when did a blog become formal writing…this is not an essay or dissertation…thankyou for being so educated…whats this low self esteem ish homie…i really think you need psychological help…i think my girlfriend can help you shes going for her masters right now in psychology but shes prolly to expensive for you…good luck to all you know it alls out there…late great james brown….please you prolly didnt know about him till he died.
By TCC2001
October 18, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this
to slalom1…get educated on da hood bro you might need to watch a lil mo BET if you want to catch on quicker…what you said just shows your ignorance…and you know what that means…1 i was not talkin to you…2 you just a hata….3 who cares about the SEC…4 ohio state had a 4 game bowl win streak before losing in the national chapionship to fla…5 dont talk unless you know what you talking about fool to Reeze … uhhh you lame homie 40 years ol and all in some ish you dont know about…i hate ebonics…you a sell out…lol…no i dont need yo luv i get that frum my women …no i dont need yo help ima grown man cept not a 40 year ol geezer…and its just a blog…you people are so simple minded… 1 word “ebonics” got yall all hot…to slalom1 oh and by the way when did a blog become formal writing…this is not an essay or dissertation…thankyou for being so educated…whats this low self esteem ish homie…i really think you need psychological help…i think my girlfriend can help you shes going for her masters right now in psychology but shes prolly to expensive for you…good luck to all you know it alls out there…late great james brown….please you prolly didnt know about him till he died.
By ClevelandRox
October 18, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this
1.This is a blog not formal writing. ex. of formal…an essay or dissertation. 2.B4 losing to fl…OSU 4 consecutive bowl wins which includes the only 14 and 0 national championship run in the history of college football. 3.why be a hater…lol…ebonics is part of your everyday life…tell me how many people in the worl arent hip hop today…dont get mad at culture because you 40 years old and nobody cares what you think anymore…dont hate particpate 4.what is this low self esteem ish…thats a low blow…i happen to think very highly of myself…you dont know me as i said fool. 5.You need pychological help…my gurl going for her masters in physchology…she may be able to help you lol…shes very expensive though and you prolly wont understand her cuz she speaks ebonics too lol 5.just wanted to dreak it down so maybe yall will catch on quicker 6.Go TCC an OSU haterz everywhere we go!
By Plez gow up
October 18, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this
I guess stereotypes exist for a reason. I hope your girl get paid fool because the only person I know who talks like you cleans my cars. Peace out and good luck going through life bragging about your girl’s accomplishments.
By Cleaveland Rox Duwhat?
October 18, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this
I don’t even know where to begin but I’ll give it a shot.
1) Ohio State puts up gaudy numbers against slow stiffs from the Big Televen
2) Nobody’s “hating” on Ohio State, SEC schools just don’t think much of them. OSU has spent the better part of 100 years getting killed by SEC teams. Their record is attrocious.
3) The SEC as a conference, leads the nation in attendance, in NFL representation, and in general media coverage. So clearly nobody “cares” about the SEC. (Eyes Rolled)
4) TCC is good and always has been, I find very little smack to be talked about them.
By For the Record
October 18, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this
Apparently, Jaybo, you didn’t understand why Northside “chooses” to play in AAAA. It’s because of the other sports and activities. Travel expenses to Griffin and Stockbridge are much cheaper than travel expenses to Valdosta and Colquitt Co. Northside is by no means an affluent school, and they try to do what is best for the students who participate in activities besides football. You obviously have no idea what factors into that decision and are sadly mistaken and somewhat ignorant if you think such a huge decision for a school is made for something as trivial as a football state championship.
By NSHS FAN
October 18, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this
To Slalom 1, and To Reeze: Remember our agreement to not answer TCC 1 concerning his foolishment about ebonics. Let him get help elsewhere. I hope people in the TCC area read his blog. Someone will offer help.
By Jaybird229
October 18, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this
Why are people not giving Northside WR they’re credit. If you think about, if Northside were to move up to 5A, they would probably be in Region 1-5A. Okay, who on here would disagree that they would run through any school in 1-5A besides a two touchdown win over Lowndes. Think about last year. Two 1-5A teams, Tift Co. and Warner Robins, made it to the GA Dome and another to the elite 8, Houston County. Northside beat Houston County by two TD’s and Warner Robins by 3 TD’s. They were two of the top 5 or 6 teams in the state last year. But everyone complaining about they should move up. Why? Go and get tell 500 or so kids from Houston County and Warner Robins to go to Northside so they can move up to %A and beat everyone there too. Folks this happens ever so often. A team comes along that just can demolish any team that comes into it’s path. Valdosta back in the day, Lowndes a couple years back, Lagrange back in the day, and Charlton County now. There are other teams, but it happens. All that’s happening is people are tired of hearing how good Northside is. Northside fans aren’t tired of it. Just like you wouldn’t be tired of it, if it was your team. Just give them their respect. Their a well-coached, fundamentally sound, athletic machine.
By Jaybird229
October 18, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this
What is Jaybo talking about? TCC is pretty good, but you should win region every year. You play in the worst region in GA. Who else in your region is worth mentioning? Every team in your region makes the playoffs, cause there’s only 4 teams!! You were 9-4 last year. The rest of the teams in your region finished 5-6, 3-8, and 3-8. Yet all made the playoofs. Americus finised 2nd in the region and they were 3-8!!!! Jaybo mentioned that TCC should be playing in AAA, but they arent’ afraid to man up. You call playing in that region maning up? Cairo is in AAA and they manned up and beat you 31-7 last year.
By NHS Forever
October 18, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this
Well said Jaybird229. I just want NHS to keep winning impressively. They are within striking distance of a mythical National Championship. To be seriously considered, they need to win the rest of their games by at least two touchdowns, including playoff games. Not an easy task, as there are good teams out there and any team can have a bad game. One at a time, and Upson-Lee has a pretty good team and home field.
By Jaybird229
October 18, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this
Upson Lee is pretty good, but they got blown out by Westside Macon, who got blew out by Baldwin who got blown out by Northside. Based on that it should be an easy win, but like you said NHS Forever, take it one at a time. The national title is a stretch for them, cause a few teams are gonna have to lose and I don’t see Miami Northwestern losing to anyone. They are an incredible team also. I do believe that Northside would compete with them though.
By The Man that is a Yellow jacket Fan
October 18, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this
Jaybird229 that was last year. This year TCC is 7-0. They are a lot better this year than last. They are one of the elite programs in Ga. This year they have all the talent to win state. And last years game against cairo I hope they would win, when a team has 6 turn overs. Again that was last year. This year TCC won. Cairo is a good 3a team. And Americus record is 5-1 this year so they are a better team than last year. Their one lost was to Tift Co. Just look for TCC to host the Championship this year at the Jackets Nest.
By Lee
October 18, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this
One word comes to mind when I think of the Cherokee Warriors….SLEEPER! As good as some of the teams in Region 4-A are, Cherokee may be the team who shocks them all…
By slalom1
October 18, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this
To: “NSHS Fan and “Reeze” Brothers, I am trying. Strange thing is, apparently the Thomas County fans do not seem to be embarrassed by “you know who”. Makes me kind of wonder if “you know who” may actually be somewhat of a Thomas County prototype. For the good of Thomas County, I surely hope not.
By slalom1
October 18, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this
To “Yo” You have been mighty quiet lately Big Guy. (Probably just booting up for a major offensive). Yo, I was reading one of your recent posts regarding NSWR, and the fact that they never won the BIG ONE while playing in the state’s largest classification. Your contention seems to be that since they(NSWR) could not do it then, they would most likely not be capable of winning the BIG ONE in AAAAA, now. Yo, you are overlooking an obvious intangible: Over time, a successful program gets better. Take a look at Lowndes. For many years they were Valdosta’s #2 high school team. I can remember a time when Lowndes was not only #2 to Valdosta, but quite often the doormat of Region 1. But, look at Lowndes today. Is the program stronger now than in the 1990’s? How about in the 1980’s?, 70’s? I believe the same is true for Northside. They were good in the 1990’s. But their program is stronger today. I would bet the ranch and the mule, that this NSWR team, as well as the 2006 NSWR team represents the best high school football Georgia has seen in the last 2 seasons.
By NTH Trojans
October 18, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this
To slalom1: I agree that the best team is not always in the highest classification. I also agree that community support and coaching are 2 of the most important aspects (along with talent) to having a successful program. the school that my daughter attends has been in existense for 50 years and the football program stunk until we hired our current coach in 2001. Since that time, they have turned it into a contending program in AAA. The school is North Hall, and they are currently ranked #4 by AJC, #5 by AP and Coaches polls. They have been to the quarters in the playoffs twice in the past 4 years (lost to WaCo both times). They have an exceptional offense and a very good defense, which in years past has been suspect, especially the secondary. Teams have been inside their 20 on sixteen different occasions, and have only scored (f.g. and t.d.) only twice against the 1st string. I’m still worried about LaGrange, Carver, Col., and Carrolton because I haven’t seen them play. Stephens Co. is also very good (they beat Habersham Central earlier in the year), but I have seen them play, and I like the matchup vs them. I still think that the LaGrange - Carver, Col. winner is in the drivers seat, but anything can happen.
By slalom1
October 18, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this
To: Todd Holcomb, Here is a topic for discussion, that most everyone seems to duck: “Number of 19 Year Olds On a Roster”. Why 19 year olds? Because a 19 year old has most likely had to repeat at least one grade, and enjoys an advantage in phsical maturity over his 18 year old counterparts, whom have made their grades, but are left having to compete against a more physicallly mature 19 year old. Big difference between being 18 and 19. There was a time, when a certain south Georgia high school powerhouse was legendary for “holding an athletic kid back a year”. Wouldn’t it be a bummer to see a talented young 18 year old senior, who had always made good grades, lose his position as a “starter” to a 19 year old who had been held back. Among the state’s Top 10 in each classification, I wonder how many 19 year old’s are on their rosters. I could be wrong about this, and if so, somebody help. But, I believe that the GHSA actually allows a 2 time repeater,(who would turn 20 before school’s end) to compete in football, so long as they do not turn 20 before January 1. Okay, where am I going with this? Here is the SIMPLE question: “Should the GHSA allow 19 year olds to compete in GHSF?”
By NTH Trojans
October 18, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this
Don’t know how much truth there is to it, but there is a rumor that Buford is moving up to AAA in the near future. The coach said if he could be guarranteed to be in 7AAA (addressing travel concerns and that it would be natural rivalries with Flowery Branch, North Hall, Gainesville, and Chestatee), he would do it in a heartbeat. I say make it happen, stronger competition, and a stronger region.
By yo
October 18, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this
Yea Slalom 1, I had gotten bored with the topic. Answer your question with a question. How much has Lowndes High grown in student population since 1977 and how much has Valdosta Highs and NSWR? Also, how do these 3 schools compare now as to regards to the top AAAAA populated schools compared to how they compared then? I’ll trust your research. Go back to about 1977 because that is when Lowndes began to arrive on the football scene competively when they hired Joe Wilson from Valdosta.
By yo
October 18, 2007 7:36 PM | Link to this
But now AAAAA has no great teams and *an abundance of good teams, whereas AAAA has three great teams in NHS, Tucker, and TCC. * Thanks “Whatever” you said it exactly right. Now if a lot of those good teams from AAAAA were playing in AAAA then how many teams would AAAA have that would then be considered great besides the 3 you mentioned? Also, I believe the 3 you mentioned as great would suddenly become only good if they were playing in AAAAA. If Lowndes were playing in 1AAAA would they now be great? Especially since they whipped TCC in preseason 40 something to a very little bit. If Brookwood were playing in AAAA probably they would be unbeaten and have destroyed every body in their path up to this point. So now Lowndes and Brookwood suddenly become great teams simply by having played in AAAA. These are just 2 of the schools I could mention from AAAAA that are good only because they play in AAAAA.
By slalom1
October 18, 2007 8:32 PM | Link to this
To:”NTH Trojans,” You are indeed well informed. As for North Hall, I have a couple of remarks and a couple of questions. But first, as for the AAA scenario, it is still pretty difficult to call. The teams you named deserve to be in the “hunt”. But, DO NOT forget about Shaw. The LaGrange vs. Shaw game this Friday will speak loads. NEVER underestimate The SHAW RAIDERS. As for Carver, on paper, they should be able to tear any team in the state to shreds. (Including all of the AAAAA hot shots. Uh…..maybe not AAAA NSWR.) But, Carver is capable of beating themselves. Coach Dell McGee has done a tremendous job of taking a downtrodden program, and turning things around in a very short period of time. in my mind, their kicking game will at some point “do them in”. Speaking of programs on the rise, I would like to learn more about North Hall. True to your words, until just the last 4-5 years, I had never even heard of North Hall in terms of high school football. But, during this short period of time, they have certainly made a name for themselves. They(North Hall) remind me of some of Georgia’s other programs, who were at one time never even mentioned in the big picture.(i.e.Lowndes, Northside WR.) Of course, we all know where these 2 elite programs are today. Congrats on the success that North Hall has enjoyed in such a very short period of time. They appear to be a team to watch, and more importantly, a PROGRAM for the entire state to watch. As for the “questions”: How about filling everyone in on the “rise to power”, regarding North Hall?
By devil lover
October 18, 2007 8:34 PM | Link to this
Hey Duds..Todd asked; “What I’d like to hear is which teams you think are really good enough to win state, and which teams are being propped up in the rankings because of reputation, an undefeated record or one lucky win.”
For AAAAA North Cobb has not played enough high performimg teams yet to be No 1. North Gwinnett is the only team that qualifies for No. 1 until Norcross beats them the last game of the season. ML King might deserve to be in the top three but I don’t know their region. Harrison does not deserve to be in the top four until they beat another top ten team. Lowndes maybe but must beat another top ten team. The problem with Walton is that you ranked Roswell to high and therefore then they beat Roswell you had to move up now that Roswell is no longer in the top ten Walton need to beat another top ten team to remain in the top ten. Don’t forget that Norcross beat them in a pre season game. Stepenson might belong but again I don’t know their region. I think that Peachtree Ridge although is capable of being a good team has loss two games just like Roswell and need to move out of the top ten ( like in the Coach’s Poll) until they beat a top ten team. And I think that Chattahoochee more than any other team deserves to move up.
Right now the teams that can win the state at AAAAA are North Gwinnett, MLKing, Norcross, Chattahoochee Lowndes and Valdosta or maybe North Cobb.
Todd where do you live, North Cobb or around Peachtree Ridge?
By Whatever
October 18, 2007 8:43 PM | Link to this
Yo—is that supposed to be a logical argument based on speculation and what-ifs? I don’t think that really works. The truth is that if Lowndes and Brookwood played in AAAA, they would still be good teams—not great teams. The level of competition does not make a team great—the team itself is great. Lowndes and Brookwood were once great teams. But Lowndes was beaten by Harrison—no longer great, and Brookwood lost two game—no longer great. Granted Lowndes and Brookwood would probably beat most of AAAA, as they would beat most of AAAAA. But Northside would “probably be unbeaten and destroy everybody in their path up to this point.” So by your same logic, doesn’t that make Northside a great team that can play in AAAAA because they would beat most, if not all, of the teams? I mean, if we can just create ideal scenarios to back up our points, then I choose to do the same.
By slalom1
October 18, 2007 9:18 PM | Link to this
To: “Yo”, You have a tendency to always default to “student enrollment” That was not the question. The question has to do with the growth of the program. NOT the student enrollment. It is a given that Lowndes has great coaching. But, can you actually say with a straight face that Lowndes was as strong in 1977 as they are today? Yo, by your “student enrollment” philosophy, I would bet that in 1977, the roster size was within 10% of what the roster size is today. But, who cares? That is not the point. The point is that Lowndes, (in my opinion) has a stronger PROGRAM today, than in 1977. Obviously more students, but more importantly…a better program. Would you argue that? Yo, I have come to believe that you are indeed a very intelligent man. I would even go as far as to guess that you are a man of great importance to many people. But, you are ONE stubborn ombre, who will not “give up” this “student enrollment” fallacy. Lowndes is good. They are good because they have 76 varsity players who CHOSE to make the sacrifice to play high school football. (NOT because Lowndes has a student body of 2,741). Getting back to the purpose of this latest post….you have made a point of dogging NSHS because they never won the big one while in the state’s largest classification. My point is simply this:
1-Is Lowndes a stronger program today than in the 1990’s? Probably so. 2-Is NSWR a stronger program today than in the 1990’s? Most definitely.Yo, let these guys enjoy their moment in the sun. They have earned it.
By RM
October 18, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this
Has anyone noticed that there are 2 georgia teams on the Rivals.com FAB 50. In case you didn’t, they are Northside WR and North Cobb.
By slalom1
October 18, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this
To “Yo”, From the heart, don’t you believe that it is time to simply say congrats” to NSWR? Granted, they have not won the BIG one this season. But, so far, so good. If not now, will you “give it up” to this fine program at the end of the season, should they run the tables?
By NSHS FAN
October 18, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this
Hey Guys, In preparation for the envitable, the time wil come when NSWR like Hart County, Parkview, West Rome, Worth County, Mitchell-Baker, and Valdosta before them—reign will come to an end. At least for a few years. My fear is this: When NSWR moves up to AAAAA during the next round of classification realignment she may beginning on her down years. I just hope the naysayers won’t say, ” I told you NSWR couldn’t compete when she moved up”, As opposed to realizing her off years have kicked in. Who knows? At that time Meadowcreek, the doormat of all AAAAA teams may be king of the hill. We all have our 15 minutes of fame.
By Todd Holcomb
October 18, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this
re: Buford
Buford will play AAA beginning in 2008.
re: 19-year-olds
I’m not sure if it’s possible to find out how many 19-year-olds are playing. You can turn 19 as far back as May 1 and still be eligible, so long as this is only your fourth year of high school.
For AAAAA North Cobb has not played enough high performimg teams yet to be No 1. North Gwinnett is the only team that qualifies for No. 1 until Norcross beats them the last game of the season.
I respect that as a reason for putting North Gwinnett at No. 1. However, I don’t believe you can exclude North Cobb or any team from consideration for No. 1 simply because tha tteam has not played quite as tough a schedule. The best team isn’t always the one that’s played the tougher schedule.
ML King might deserve to be in the top three but I don’t know their region.
MLK plays in Region 2, which is generally regarded as a mediocre to weak region. However, MLK has one quality win and is undefeated, so that’s enough for me to have MLK at #3.
Harrison does not deserve to be in the top four until they beat another top ten team. Lowndes maybe but must beat another top ten team.
Nobody has two victories over Top 10 teams, except North Gwinnett, so if that’s your criteria for being ranked in the Top 5, then there aren’t enough teams that qualify.
Also, Harrison won on the road vs. Lowndes, a shutout no less. And Lowndes is one of the teams that you list below as a potential state champion. Plus, Harrison lost to North Cobb by 1. NC is another team you believe can win a state title. Harrison also crushed once-beaten Marietta, which beat Campbell, which beat Wheeler, which beat Chattahoochee.
The problem with Walton is that you ranked Roswell to high and therefore then they beat Roswell you had to move up now that Roswell is no longer in the top ten Walton need to beat another top ten team to remain in the top ten.
Good point, although keep in mind that Walton’s only loss (North Gwinnett) is to the team you believe is #1 in the state. And Roswell is a very good team despite the two losses, so that still rates as a quality victory. I don’t know if Walton is the 6th-best team in AAAAA, but I’ve got no problem ranking Walton at #6 given the results — one quality win, one quality loss.
Don’t forget that Norcross beat them in a pre season game.
Preseason games don’t count. If they did, then why would you have North Gwinnett #1, when NG lost a preseason game?
Peachtree Ridge, although capable of being a good team, has loss two games just like Roswell and need to move out of the top ten ( like in the Coach’s Poll) until they beat a top ten team.
Peachtree Ridge has already beaten at Top 10 team — Norcross. That’s why PR is ranked and Roswell is not.
And I think that Chattahoochee more than any other team deserves to move up.
That’s fine, as I nearly put Chattahoochee in the Top 10 as well, but lemme ‘splain again: It’s not about which teams have the better W-L records. It’s the W-L record in the context of the schedule you’ve played.
PR has beaten a current Top 10 team (Norcross). Chattahoochee has not.
PR has lost to two Top 10 teams (North Gwinnett, Grayson). Chattahoochee has lost to an unranked team (Wheeler).
PR has dominated in all of its victories. Chattahochee has narrowly one three games.
Based on that, I think Chattahoochee would be 5-2 if it had played PR’s schedule, and I think PR would be 6-1 if it had played Chattahoochee’s schedule.
Right now the teams that can win the state at AAAAA are North Gwinnett, MLKing, Norcross, Chattahoochee, Lowndes and Valdosta or maybe North Cobb.
Valdosta, and not Brookwood? Norcross, and not Peachtree Ridge?
Devil Lover: Thanks for all your opinions. They’re as good as mine. The fun is in the debate.
By Todd
October 18, 2007 10:28 PM | Link to this
That’s my fear as well, NSHS FAN. Northside loses a ton of talent after this year, and I know that the same people on this board who say they can’t compete in AAAAA will be saying “told you so” when they have a down year. But Northside played in the highest classification until 2004 and despite their lack of state titles, take a look at the records of traditional powers in the hightes classification from 1998-2003:
Parkview 76-8 .904 Northside 69-11 .862 Camden Co. 62-12 .837 Brookwood 60-15 .800 Valdosta 59-18-1 .756 WRHS 49-19 .720 Lowndes 57-17 .720
I don’t think there’s any way a rational person could say Northside cannot compete in AAAAA—even if they were the Buffalo Bills of high school football.
And by the way, Northside is 46-3 from 2004-present, since joining AAAA. I don’t know if that’s because of weaker competition or because of Northside’s much improved talent. I tend to think it’s a little of both.
By jaybo
October 18, 2007 10:54 PM | Link to this
Hey, I told you I am aware that student population is the key in determining class. Schools can choose to play up i.e. TCC, Valdosta. Don’t give me that “other sports junk”-you were a championship starved football program. Be for real, do the other sports carry as much weight as football? As it relates to region 1-AAAA being weak, we can’t determine what region we play in, but we do play 5-A Colquitt and Tift Co. and a strong 3-A Cairo program. Quit hatting, TCC is one of the strongest programs in the state and so is NSHS—just need to be in 5-A(you dress out over 100 players)
By jaybo
October 18, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this
Jaybird, this is 2007 not 2006. quit talking about what happened last year. we can’t help who is in our region.
By slalom1
October 18, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this
To: Todd Holcomb…Ref. 19 year olds So Todd, what do you think? There is so much discussion on this blog about enrollment, etc. But, none so far, regarding players who in some cases are much closer to being men than boys, in terms of their age. Hypothetically, let’s say that Team X is loaded with 18 year old talent. However, they are ALL juniors.(Which gives these players a one year advantage in physical maturity when they become seniors.) Keep in mind that most kids begin school at age 6, which means that as long as they are not repeaters, they will turn 17 as they enter the 12th grade, and in most cases 18 before they graduate. So, what about this? Is it fair for a kid who has failed grades, to enjoy an advantage on the football field against kids who have studied, made their grades, but lack the physical maturity of their less studious counterparts? This is after all “high school” football And… I do believe it is possible to determine the ages of the players on the rosters. Trouble is, it seems that not many people who work in the print media today are interested in having to “DIG” for the facts.
By know your facts
October 18, 2007 11:17 PM | Link to this
To Yo. Tcc did play Lowndes in a pre-season game and lost 21-7 in 3 quarters. The first quarter the jv competed. 2 and 3 quarters was the varsity. The scrimmage was cancled after the 3 quarter due to lightning. TCC Varsity had 3 Turn overs in that scrimmage. So YO know what you are talking about before you put crap that is not true on this blog. And far as TCC playing in 5A, ask Tift Co head coach what he thinks about TCC playing in 5A. When Central beat Tift this year, he made the comment in Tifton paper that TCC would do very well in region 1 5A.TCC is very very good this year. I have seen them play this year. They are very fast on both sides of the ball and have the strongest running game I have ever seen in high school football. They are every bit as good as the 97 TCC team that won state and went 15-0.
By For the Record
October 18, 2007 11:49 PM | Link to this
Jaybo—you are completely unreasonable. No other sports don’t “carry as much weight” as football in terms of popularity. But they do carry as much weight in terms of cost. And that’s what you can’t seem to grasp. For affluent schools such as Brookwood, Parkview, etc., the cost is absorbed by overly involved booster clubs—but not for schools like Northside. They have the fan support but not the financial support. Do we play in AAAAA and make the parents of students who play less popular sports pay money they don’t have in order to make up cost? As I said before, you have no idea how high school programs work. And no one said TCC isn’t a top notch program. They are incredible. But why don’t you quit hating on Northside? They are, after all, undefeated against TCC.
By Until this year
October 19, 2007 12:07 AM | Link to this
TCC did lose in 2005 14-7 to nsw and our players have not forgot that either. This years team is a whole lot better. RB Debrale the train Smiley was a sophmore then. He was all state that year. He is bigger and faster now 6ft 240lbs and runs a 4.6. Also we have a qb that is very fast unlike the qb in 2005. This years team is all around solid in all phases of the game. Their running game is this best I have seen yet. The defense is very quick and aggresive.
By jaybo
October 19, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this
Hey for the record, congradulations on your superior knowledge of the intricacies of high school athletic programs. I don’t understand travel and the economics of high school sports because YOU got all of the knowledge soaked up—yea right, give me a break!!! Its been great sparring with you. Good luck the rest of the way and we’ll see you down in Thomasville at the Jackets Nest for the championship.
By For the Record
October 19, 2007 12:45 AM | Link to this
Jaybo—way to be a smartass. I work in a high school—that’s how I know. I’m not making things up. That is the reason Northside plays in AAAA. I wish NHS would play a league up, but they don’t, and I understand why. Hope to see you guys in the Jackets Nest in December.
By Reeze
October 19, 2007 1:57 AM | Link to this
Good post Todd (not Holcomb).It amazes me that people forget that NSWR was a force to deal with when we were in the AAAAA class.I can’t remember the year ,but i think WR Demons were ranked #1 and NSWR was #2 in state,We lost ,but we all know that story.And i don’t understand these TCC supporters.As far as 2005 went .You guys scored a lot of points that year against your opponents.”Our offense average 35pts per game! How yall gonna stop us?”,thats what your Thomasville newspaper people screamed at us before the game.You guys scored 7pts,140 total yards and had a 1.5 yard per rush average.A long way from 35pts per game average.You ran into a defense like no other that year.You can say your team is twice better than your 2005 team.Well NSWR is twice the better team than our 2005 team.NSWR will always respect its opponents equally ,from Dutchtown to TCC we will come with the same intensity. Thats from Lessons learned from 1999 (Lowndes Loss) and 2003(Newnan Loss).What I am getting at is NSWR isn’t a fluke, we are are a recognized program that should be respected by YO ,Jaybo, or whoever.Todd You’re correct,i only wish we could have entered AAAAA this year instead of next.Its gonna be hard to replace the four headed offensive monster of Ivory, Green,Bass and Coupe.They will be missed next year.
By Reeze
October 19, 2007 4:19 AM | Link to this
To:For the record,you stated earlier in a post that you were employed by the school system.And you seem to know the ins and out of school classifications, scheduling, etc.If you are employed in Houston county answer this one for me.I understand the importantance of the city championship thing that goes on in Warner Robins.I often wondered why(closing my blinds,turning off the T.V and lights) Northside couldn’t defer from the Warner robins and Hoco match ups for a year or two,and in place, maybe get non region match ups with a Brookwood or TCC for example.Definately get the Peach Co.Game back,If it has to do with profits,I’m sure the peach game made as much or more than the Hoco game.Let me hear from you
By devil lover
October 19, 2007 8:01 AM | Link to this
Todd you are definitely making me a more knowledgeable high school football fan; however here are some additional points to your critique;
Wasn’t Camden County and Roswell in the top ten when Chatoochooee beat them?
Grayson was not a top ten team when they beat PR were they?
I think like in any sports, the team who gets hot can win the state champion like last year. Peachtree Ridge got hot and eventhough they loss at least 3 regular season games they tied for the championship.
You need to ask this question again the 9th or 10th week.
By Jaybird229
October 19, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this
TCC Fans have bumped their heads on here!!! Know your facts, you must have a son or relative who plays on this year’s TCC team. Cause that’s the only excuse you can have for stating that this year’s team can even hold the ‘97 Central team’s jockstrap. Your comparing a team who has done nothing to a team with a senior class that won 3 state titles in 4 years. Having played against the 97 team and having watched the current team, there’s no comparison between the two. This is the best running game you’ve ever seen? Please. What a homer statement. As far as Central playing in 1-5A, please win a title in AAAA before you even put yourself in the same class as 1-5A. Just cause you beat a crappy Colquitt county team and an average Tift County team doesn’t warrant you moving up to 1-5A. But I do hope you play Northside in the Jackets Nest, so “the best running game you’ve ever seen” will meet the one of the best teams the state has ever seen.
By Cougar Mom
October 19, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this
devil lover Yes, Camden County and Roswell were in the Top 10 when Hooch beat them. As a matter of fact, with the Cougar win last Friday against Roswell, Chattahoochee knocked Roswell out of the rankings. We may have struggled to keep our win but we won and that speaks volumes. Thank you so standing up for Hooch! Not for one minute do I believe that Hooch would lose if they played against PTR. The unfortunate thing is that we don’t have the opportunity to prove that because of the scheduling. Like I said before, Chatthoochee will proceed to State and then maybe Hooch will be shown the respect it deserves, but then again so many Haters so little time….Go Cougars!
By Todd Holcomb
October 19, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this
Now that I have both Cougar Mom and Devil Lover conceding that I’m right about Peachtree Ridge and Chattahoochee, I was wondering what y’all thought about the AP and coaches polls — which both have Camden County ahead of Chattahoochee.
I have neither ranked, but Chattahoochee is my No. 11. Camden would be No. 12 or No. 13.
By yo
October 19, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this
But Northside would “probably be unbeaten and destroy everybody in their path up to this point.” * Again Whatever you continue to prove my point. More *speculation and what ifs that continues every time someone says NSWR is the best team in Ga. this year. History simply proves that statement wrong. 1999 they did the same thing. Whipped everybody in their path much worse than they are doing this year. It is one thing to go through AAAA whipping every body and another to go all the way through AAAAA whipping every body because your 1st post said it best. There are a lot of good teams in AAAAA and when great teams continually have to play good teams back to back, week after week, then it is tough to stay undefeated. When that happens great teams suddenly become just good teams.
By NTH Trojans
October 19, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
To slalom1: You asked me to fill you in on the “rise” of North Hall football. This is what I know: the booster club hired their current coach, Bob Christmas, in 2001. Their first year under him they were 1 - 8 in 8AAAA, then the next year they were moved to 7AAA because of another school (Chestatee) opening. They went 8-2 and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs. That is also the year that their booster club almost doubled in size. In 2003 they were 9-1,lost in the first round. that year they also started their summer conditioning program. It’s very grueling and lasts 3 hrs. a day for the whole summer. In 2004 they were 10-0 and lost to WaCo in the quarters. Their booster club is as strong as a lot of 5A schools and the weight room that was added (in 2003, I think) rivals a lot of 1AA colleges. Playoff games kept getting moved from our home field, so the booster club put in more seats. The stadium is called “The Brickyard”, and the plan is to brick it in all the way around. They also have a great student body which show their at all games, home and away, and thats the one thing that we both forgot to mention, is how important. what I think is different from this team as opposed to teams prior, is that this team is lightyears ahead defensively. You asked, so I did the best I could. If there is anything else that you want to know, just ask. I check in at least once every day or two.
By yo
October 19, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this
It amazes me that people forget that NSWR was a force to deal with when we were in the AAAAA class.I can’t remember the year ,but i think WR Demons were ranked #1 and NSWR was #2 in state,We lost ,but we all know that story. No one is saying if NSWR were in AAAAA they would not be a force to be reckoned with. Just like in the past they might even be ranked #1 right now if in AAAAA. Just like in the past they might very well “not” end up state champions if they were in AAAAA even though they might now be ranked #1. But then this is all conjecture, just like a mythical national championship of which I would like to see NSWR end up with. Then again if they do it still does not “prove” they were the best team in Ga.
By NTH Trojans
October 19, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this
to Todd Holcomb: what region is Buford going to be in?
By yo
October 19, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this
For the Record…For the record when NSWR moves up I expect you’ll find that those were lame excuses. The money they will pick up from playing in 1AAAAA and against an occasional big time AAAAA schoool of another region will only bring in more money, not less. Warner, Houston, Lowndes, Valdosta, Tift would all be highly populated games each year. Then again so could Coffee and Colquit be. Wow what a region that will be and then all of the conjecture can end.
By devil lover
October 19, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this
First of all I am not conceding my pt about the Hooch. You said no team other than North Gwinnett had beat two top ten teams. If what Cougar Mom has confirmed to be true, then I believe that the Hooch should be ranked as a top ten team whether you and the coaches don’t believe that they are good enough. They have lost only one game (which 6 top ten team have also plus 1 who has lost 2) but have beat two top ten teams which no other AAAAA team has other other than the no.1 team North Gwinnett.
By devil lover
October 19, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this
Concerning the Caoches poll ranking Camden County ahead of the Hooch, it is the same thing that you and most of us are guilty of. We think that even though someone lost we might believe that they are still better than their opponent who won. I believe that the record should mean more than what our mind is telling us.
By devil lover
October 19, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this
Concerning the Caoches poll ranking Camden County ahead of the Hooch, it is the same thing that you and most of us are guilty of. We think that even though someone lost we might believe that they are still better than their opponent who won. I believe that the record should mean more than what our mind is telling us.
By Demon grad
October 19, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this
As a Warner Robins Graduate it pains me to say this. There is not any team in the state that is close to Northside-Warner Robins. They are that good! Maybe better than anything we have seen is quite a while.
By demon grad
October 19, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
So is it true that NSWR is going to move up in classification? That will make things much more interesting. From time to time teams and individual players come alnog that can render classification less important. In the mid 90’s some of those Washington county teams were phenomenal and I beleive they were a AA team. I would have matched them against many of the big schools and expected a win.
By mlkalum#23
October 19, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this
The argument of MLK not being in a tough enough region is moot. The fact is that alot of Gwinnett teams and North Metro squads dont WANT to schedule a Dekalb/South Metro school, so when DeKalb schools spend all season beating up on each other (and it reflects in the records) then all the Dekalb haters simply look at the records and assume that these teams are no good.
DeKalb has the most quality athletes and coaches in the state (With Coach Jarvis, Coach Gartrell and Coach Buck at SWD, not to mention the coaches at Tucker and Redan) these programs produce huge amounts of division 1 college athletes. So MLK and Stephenson and Tucker, dont get upset when they dont show us the respect we deserve, we know what they think about black schools and black coaches (this is fact, not speculation). At the end of the day we earn our respect in the playoffs, and I can see any 3 of those teams making trips past the semifinals.
What about a MLK-Stephenson rematch in the dome?
either way #23 is with yall boys man keep ya heads up an keep workin hard, and forget these rankings…cuz we all know they dont mean a damn thing
By kings eyes in the sky
October 19, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this
To anybody that reads this, who decides how weak or strong a region is. I hear people say that the region that MLK, Stephenson, and Douglass are in are weak because we never beat anybody outside our region. First of all we dont make the schedule we(MLK) just dominate it, and second we have lost to the teams that are supposed to be in the top region in the playoffs, after the second and third round, not the first, Last we(MLK) have made the playoff for the last five years only being in existence for 6, why wouldnt’ that make us a dominating program. The only thing left for us to do is when it all…We had our trip to DOME, how may of the top ten teams can say that. We have been to the dome since they put the new turf in three times, one time playing our 14th game. I think it is a little personal why you all dont want to respect us. Seperate the football team from the name of the school and move on…
By TCC2001
October 19, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this
Plez gow up ….dont be mad homie last time i checked i wasnt bragging just lettin you know what it is…and as a matter a fact me and my gurl paid…so stop being green just get green u might need to smoke some green lol…and what is this need help ish..doesnt register as anything relevant to the subject…and if the person that fixed your car talks like me and you dont like the way i talk then why you paid him to fix your car dont quite understand ur reasoning fool…thats lame…and yall must have forgotten about the horseshoe’s attendence record…but i see that most of the people who have something to say to me are very antagonistic and probably dont have a life other than getting on here and tryin to prove there less than nothing of a manhood by use of a computer…it all boils down to the fact you are a hater…so ima return the favor…i hate u, u, and i dont even know you and i hate ur gutz…lol…yes you deserve to die and i hope you burn in hell…Go TCC and OSU…shake them haterz off and show’em whose boss.
By Reeze
October 19, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this
Yo,you’re wrong again.Here’s a good example for you.Last friday NSWR played against Baldwin,it was a packed house,on both sides.The following night WR played Valdosta,maybe a third less people there.The idea of traveling the two hour trek to Valdosta,or the sticks of Douglas,Tifton or Moultrie won’t set well with folks if we move up,there will be support, no doubt,but i don’t think the same support will be there compared to the 20 minute ride to Westside-Macon,the 45 minute ride to Joco or Baldwin or even the 1.5 hour to Stockbridge or College Park.Personally Yo,i don’t know if they’ll move up or not,I hope not.Ive attended a number of WR and Hoco games vs 1-AAAAA opponents,the games are boring.
By jaybird229 is a dummy
October 19, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this
Nobody said that TCC’s team this year is better than the 97 team. They are just as good was the comment made. And the Tift Co head coach made the comment that TCC would do well in region1 5A. And far as TCC meeting one of the best teams the state has ever seen, you have it backwards. When nsw has to face TCC if they beat Tucker they will have to face the best team they will play all year. And you have never seen a running game better that TCC’s veer. FEAR THE VEER.
By NSHS FAN
October 19, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this
Mikalum #23, Please don’t bring up hate issues. MLK, Tucker, Stephenson, are great programs because of the leadrship in their schools. I don’t feel because they are majority black is an issue. Come on—Let play football!
By NSHS FAN
October 19, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this
Mikalum #23, Please don’t bring up hate issues. MLK, Tucker, Stephenson, are great programs because of the leadrship in their schools. I don’t feel because they are majority black is an issue. Come on—Let’s play football!
By Cougar Mom
October 19, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this
I am not conceding Mr. Holcomb, not by any means. I said the following, “Not for one minute do I believe that Hooch would lose if they played against PTR. The unfortunate thing is that we don’t have the opportunity to prove that because of the scheduling.”
Sure your reasoning for ranking Hooch as 11 comes from a loss to an unranked team (Wheeler) but if I am not mistaken we were unranked at the time as well. Yes, a loss is a loss, however, everyone knows why we lost. As I recall, the officials from that game were suspended because of the way they officiated the game. You seem to hold that one loss against Hooch.
As far as the rankings in the different polls we recieved this announcement Monday:
“Congratulations to our 9th ranked Cougar football team! The latest Georgia Coaches Poll has Chattahoochee ranked 9th in the state after their big win over Roswell last week. They are also the 7th ranked AAAAA school in the MaxPreps rankings.”
Camden may be ranked 7th in the Georgia Coaches Poll and Hooch may be 9th but like I have said before at least they are showing Hooch some love and respect our game!
Also, I agree with Devil Lover when he/she said:
“Concerning the Caoches poll ranking Camden County ahead of the Hooch, it is the same thing that you and most of us are guilty of. We think that even though someone lost we might believe that they are still better than their opponent who won. I believe that the record should mean more than what our mind is telling us.”
See you at State! Go Cougars!!!
By Plez gow up
October 19, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this
TCC2001
I guess the world needs ditch diggers too.
By Jaybird229
October 19, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this
Reeze has a point cause I was also at the WR-Valdosta game and it wasn’t a packed house. I think the distance does play a factor in that, but I also know a lot of fans like myself that will travel to see good football. So I think its a factor, but not as much as some people think.
By Jaybird229
October 19, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this
Know your facts is a funny dude. He obviously can’t read either, cause where did I say that you said this year’s TCC team was better than the ‘97 team. You stated that they were every bit as good, which is a dumb statement because of the simple facts that I gave you. You are comparing a team which has done absolutely nothing but go to the elite 8 last year and is undefeated through seven games this year, to a team that had a senior class who not only won the title in 97, but had won two titles the previous three years. Do you understand how there might be a discrepancy between how good one team is compared to the other? Oh I forgot, I’m debating with a TCC fan. The flakiest fans in South GA. The Jacket Nest? Please, more like the The Jacket Nest with Gas Poured over It. To all the Jacket players out there, please don’t lose a game. Cause the same fans boosting you up at Walmart to go and get another title for Thomas County, are the same ones that will bash you at the barber shop on Saturday if you lose. I know, I live in Thomasville. TCC Fans are incredible. You see how much intelligence they show on these posts. Oh yeah, TCC 2001 please get some help. “I hope you die and burn in hell”. Who says that and doesn’t need to be in an institution.
By kings eyes in the sky
October 19, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this
Hey, NSHS fan, I support MLK alumni thoughts on the issue that he was raised. It is valid, you probally have never been discriminated against or have never been considered apart of a black team during your years of being a fan. Come walk on our side of the tracks and see whats really going. Ok then if it is not a “race” issue then tell what is the difference in STephenson and Martin luther king. We beat the number one team, and now it is not valued. Before we even played Douglass these same people were saying that MLK (CANNOT) beat a top 10 opponent. I dont know if you saw us play Stepehenson but, just called your boy Gartrell and ask him how he feels about the KINGS> he want give us credit either. I think martin luther king is a damn good football team, and that is the bottom line. Mix the region play up and then you can talk. If DEKALB county was 1 highschool, again, this would all be a mute point. And lets not talk about the officiating, how can referees be biased. I don’t know why but they are, they read this b****** to, so instead of calling a fair game they throw flags with there heart not the rule book. And lets scrimmage NSHS’ talk to you coach, come get you some you will understand when it is over.
By NSHS FAN
October 19, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this
I have read so many bloggers’ comments and have come to the conclusion few people are happy with the make up of their team’s schedule or the region where they play. This is a great time to contact your athletic director for them to partition the Georgia Association BEFORE they realign football classifications and teams schedules. Personally, I would like to see NSWR play a couple of games against South Georgia teams as Lowndes, Valdosta, etc. However, AAAAA teams closer to Warner Robins as Munday Mills, Newnan, Luella, East Coweta, Union Grove (Westside-Macon or Griffin if they move up),Houston County, Warner Robins could form a 1B of region 1AAAAA. 1A would be madeup of Thomas County Central, Tift, Colquitt County, Lowndes, Va1dosta, (Westside Macon 1A or 1B). For TCC, that is if their enrollment can support being in AAAAA.
By Hornet Nation
October 19, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this
Cougar Mom - some good points but I believe that PTR would beat you guys as Roswell would if you played them say 5 games both PTR and Roswell would take at least 4 out of 5. You guys had to pull all kind of trick plays etc vs. Roswell in the 1st half and hope for Roswell miscues 2 fumbles (one on a 4th and six inches at the 4 yard line that if converted would have put Roswell up by 4 and with all the momentum in the 2nd half) and then hold on for dear life to win the game. You have a good team but I believe you will struggle with Northview and Milton. Best of Luck!
By Jaybird229
October 19, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this
Interesting idea NSHS Fan, but it wouldn’t fly because too many good teams wouldn’t make the playoffs since only four can come out of each region. Those are some powerhouses that would have to fight tooth and nail to just get into the playoffs. The only way TCC could reach the AAAAA standard is if they combined with Thomasville High, which wouldn’t be a bad idea to me. But it’s not up to us. Too Bad.
By Jaybird229
October 19, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this
Interesting idea NSHS Fan, but it wouldn’t fly because too many good teams wouldn’t make the playoffs since only four can come out of each region. Those are some powerhouses that would have to fight tooth and nail to just get into the playoffs. The only way TCC could reach the AAAAA standard is if they combined with Thomasville High, which wouldn’t be a bad idea to me. But it’s not up to us. Too Bad.
By NSHS FAN
October 19, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
To: “Kings eyes in the sky”, I have never been to a game in DeKalb County but did (Oh, Oh, sorry) see Mays or MLK play and beat Peach County in 2003/2004. I can assure you any team that plays in Houston or Peach counties will be given the upmost respect. It’s fair play or no play! From looking at MlK schedule, I believe she will be undefeated going into the play-off. Show what Dekalb is made of by defeating all in her march to the Championship.
By observer
October 19, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
jaybird229 you are probally one of the fans that you are talking about for TCC. TCC fans are very good fans for the players. Home or away they always have a packed crowd. The Jackets Nest is a very hard stadium to play in and a lot of that is due to their fans. jaybird229 you are IGNORANT. If you are from Thomasville like you say you are, you would know that TCC has the talent to win state this year. You are probally to dumb to see that. You are probally a Thomasville bulldog fan still thinking about how yall should have won this year. Keep your head up little pup, it will be ok.
By Cougar Mom
October 19, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this
Hornet Nation: Roswell had the opportunity to score in the 4th quarter with a minute or so left on the clock. What happened there? The Cougars played your quarterback and intercepted the ball. Trick plays? Roswell had ample opportunity to take the win but in the end they fell short. Now everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect the fact that you voiced yours. But 4 out of 5, very doubtful.
Please read the article below, compliments of the AJC last week.
HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL: CHATTAHOOCHEE 13, ROSWELL 10: Cougars come up with another upset
By Michael Carvell The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 10/13/07
Chattahoochee proved it is no Cinderella team this year in its 13-10 upset of No. 8 Roswell on Friday.
Earlier this season, the unranked Cougars went on the road and upset Camden County. Friday’s win was more important because it gave Chattahoochee (5-1) inside position for the subregion championship.
“We do control our own destiny, and that does feel good,” Chattahoochee coach Terry Crowder said. “I’m still not going to sleep tonight. We have to play hard every week in this region, but, at least, we are in control of our destiny.”
Chattahoochee’s Mark Lange preserved the win with an interception on his own 24-yard line with 1:05 remaining. Roswell had taken possession with 2:27 to play and made a furious drive spurred on by a roaring crowd.
Lange’s interception set off a celebration on the Chattahoochee sideline.
“Roswell was running the same route over and over, and we just read it,” Crowder said. “Mark came up and made a big play for us.”
Chattahoochee allowed Roswell (4-2) to score only once, and then did just enough on offense to hang on and win the Region 6-AAAAA Division B thriller.
Chattahoochee gambled big in the first quarter, and it paid off. Facing fourth-and-1, Crowder decided against a punt. Quarterback Brendan Cross handed off to Gary Grace on a misdirection play. Grace ran up the middle, and then quickly cut toward the sideline, scoring on a 56-yard run.
With a pair of field goals from Kyle Hady, the Cougars led 13-3 at intermission.
However, Roswell came out in the third quarter with a dominating scoring drive. The Hornets drove 77 yards in 13 plays, capped by a 3-yard touchdown reception by Reid Suhr from quarterback Dustin Taliaferro.
However, the Hornets never scored again.
“Chattahoochee played great, and we were awful,” Roswell coach Tim McFarlin said.
“We made too many mistakes, we left our defense on the field too long. We tried to make a comeback, but Chattahoochee did everything they needed to do to win the football game.
“Congratulations to Terry and his crew. That’s two big wins for them this year. As far as we’re concerned, our backs are against the wall now [in the subregion].”
Even your own coach admitted that you played awful.
Everyone has excuses and reasons why their team lost. But one must “suck it up” and move on…you sound bitter.
One more thing, You must be kidding when you say Northview is a threat…they are 3-3. If they happen to win tonight I will “suck it up” and admit to defeat.
Thanks for the well wishes and GO COUGARS!
By Todd Holcomb
October 19, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this
To: Cougar Mom & Devil Lover
Jest jokin’. I know you guys aren’t conceding anything. That’s why you’re such worthy opponents.
re: Buford
The GHSA will assign Buford a region. Then, if Buford doesn’t like it, Buford may appeal. That won’t come down until November or so.
By Cougar Mom
October 19, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this
Thanks Todd! I am just a determined Cougar Mom! GO COUGARS!
By yo
October 19, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this
Also I don’t like the idea of NSHS running from region 1A. Still trying to find ways to keep that schedule softer.
By yo
October 19, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this
Reeze, you are right and I am wrong. I agree with you in that you guys are too wimpy to travel. I am quite sure if NSHS has the choice to not move up they will not. It would only be your luck to have other schools in the area come up with you should you have to come up so you can avoid traveling down to 1AAAAA. Then you could go on beating the Baldwin, Westside patsys of your region and still think of yourselves as great. We all know that history tells us that come playoff time NSHS will not show up in the biggest classification. For your sake please stay in AAAA so you can keep running your mouths occasionally.
By Robert
October 19, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this
People fail to recognize the Harrison game was played in a thunder storm that soaked the field. Crosstown Valdosta elected to stop their game and play it the following morning.
Lowndes had several new starters on both sides of that needed time to develop. Since then they have clicked and the 42-13 pasting of Coffee shows how far they have come since that season opening loss.
The offensive line in particular has really come together.
RB Darriet Perry average nearly 20 yards a carry against Houston County and more than 11 yards against then #2 Coffee in the last two games.
By NSHS FAN
October 19, 2007 9:06 PM | Link to this
I am not sure everyone that is favored to win will win tonight. With rain comsuming most of the state; anything might happen. I believe teams like NSWR, TCC, Tucker at 4AAAA would be more dangerous after a loss than before. That why I don’t count out 5AAAAA teams like Norcross, Roswell, or Peachtree Ridge. Remember, I said it before any game has finished.
By TCC
October 19, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this
TCC is winning 28-7 in the 3rd quarter Debrale the train Smiley just took a screen to the house for 70 yards. He has 3 tds so far this game 1 away from the tie with Joe Burns with total tds for TCC’s school record. He is 5 away from being in the top 10 RB’s in the state history with the most TD’s. TCC is state bound with a vengence.
By TCC
October 19, 2007 9:58 PM | Link to this
TCC has won 35-13. Debrale scored his 4th td of the game. Tied with Joe Burns, 69 career td’s School record for TCC.
By Todd
October 19, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this
After all of the talk, mine included, Northside proved themselves vulnerable tonight. Granted Marques Ivory was hurt in the 2nd quarter, but Upson Lee was up 14-7 before that happened. Congrats Upson Lee on a game well-played. Northside’s starting defense had allowed no offensive touchdowns this season but gave up 26 points to UL. NHS definitely didn’t look like the best team in Georgia, much less the country, tonight.
By NSHS FAN
October 19, 2007 11:40 PM | Link to this
Hey Guys, I said it! “The upsets” i.e. La Grange loses, Carrolton loses, Tucker wins in overtime, and my beloved NSWR had all it could take from Upson-Lee. Especially after NSWR QB is injured. Upson-Lee played a smart game, on side kicks in the early part of the game and having a very quick QB and RB. I have to give them credit. I should have known, they beat Griffin in Griffin. TCC was the only top rated team in 4A/B team to win easily.
By jaybo
October 19, 2007 11:42 PM | Link to this
For the record,I responded to you that way because you were acting as if I didn’t know about how the state’s classification guidelines work. I told you I did, but you ignored what I said because you were buisy trying to defend why NSHS is not in 5-A. Again, NSHS should be playing in 5-A. Finally, since you say you work in a high school, I sure hope you don’t resort to using curse words when dealing with our precious youth. What an example you are of how not to handle a dissagreement-poor kids! PEACE!
By jaybo
October 19, 2007 11:47 PM | Link to this
Hey Todd, what’s the injury status on Ivory? Did he return to the game? Thanks for the info.
By Just Fair
October 20, 2007 1:11 AM | Link to this
MLK it would be wonderful if you could lead NSWR, North Cobb and North Gwinnett to your lions den and have your way with them. All of your fans would love to see you beat them because you can. Then dedicate the games to Martin Luther King, Jr., Jena Six and yourselves. You are certainly capable of beating any team under the great leadership of your coaching staff with the talent that you have. Go…. Lions!!!!! Roar on all the way to 5A….
By NHS Forever
October 20, 2007 2:23 AM | Link to this
Glad to see NHS survived after being tested for the first time this year. I hope Marques Ivory is okay. Kudos to Upson-Lee for playing an inspired game on their home field. The Eagles must understand EVERYONE is going to be gunning for them. A better team may have been able to pull the upset, but Upson-Lee is a good team, 6-1 coming in with a win over Griffin, so hopefully this wake up call is a good way to lead into the Westside-Macon game and into the playoffs.
As to you “Yo”, with your never-ending attacks on NHS saying they are running from 1-AAAAA, just look at the NHS record against that region, and against your Lowndes team (NHS leads 5-1, I believe). If I were region 1, I’d do everything I could to try to keep them out. Too many “L’s” coming your way.
By observer
October 20, 2007 2:28 AM | Link to this
TCC beat a pretty good 5-1 Americus team tonight 35-13. This was the first game I was able to see this year. TCC had 4 turn overs and still won. That tells you how good of a team they have this year. TCC’s running game is the real deal. They have a running back by the name of Debrale Smiley, he has to be the best back in the state of GA. There qb runs the veer to perfection and very fast. Their other running back has very quick feet and runs very hard. o-line very quick off the ball. D-line very quick also. I can not wait to see them play for the state title this year.
By devil lover
October 20, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this
Todd, lets just look at the facts. Since 1996 Gwinnett county schools have won the state championship six times (Region 8 five times and region 7 one tie) while south ga has won it five times(4 times by region 1 and one by region 3). Therefore I belief this year’s state champion will come from either region 1, 7 or 8.
By yo
October 20, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this
I think Upson Lee made my point for me. ps…Valdosta used to have a better record than you are claiming against Lowndes, but oh well…they made the mistake of continuing to play Lowndes. I think they pretty much have to. You stayed down…and I think you now realize how lucky you are that you did. One final thought, Lowndes won the last one, remember 1999?
By NSHS FAN
October 20, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this
To By Yo, Since day one a number of people have gone into great detail explaining how a team is selected by the Georgia Athletic Association to play in each classication. Yet, for some very dumb reason you keep mentioning how NSWR and other teams won’t moveup/down. Please stop the bull! It is not up to the indivdual school. By the way Lowndes County student population is in the 2750 range, NSWR 1650 range. Those number are looked at when placing schools. Give everyone a break and move to something more defensible.
By yo
October 20, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this
NSHS Fan how is it that TCC and Valdosta are playing up and you can’t? Are you being discriminated against by the Georgia Athletic Association?
By yo
October 20, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
NSHS Fan how is it that TCC and Valdosta are playing up and you can’t? Are you being discriminated against by the Georgia Athletic Association?
By yo
October 20, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
NSHS Fan how is it that TCC and Valdosta are playing up and you can’t? Are you being discriminated against by the Georgia Athletic Association?
By Reeze
October 20, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this
Yo,Upson-Lee proved no point of yours.They only showed,what we already knew,that they were no pushovers and you need to show them respect for playing a heck of a game. The 4B-AAAA ,in my opinion is one of the toughest regions in the state, all classifications included.If there’s a Region in the state that can boast the same caliber of players such as NSWR’s Tijaun Green,Nick Bass,Marquez Ivory —-Upson-Lee’s Laquentin Lamar,Phillip Searcy—-Westside’s Orin Mcfadden,Danny Madison or Baldwins Wayne Williams and Rico Ford,I would like to hear from you.These guys have blazing speed and are play makers and will alter the way you run a defense.The top 4 teams in region 4B-AAAA this year sport a 11-0 record vs Non-region opponents 342pf- 49PA.I think every Coach and player in this region knows that week 4 is when it hits the fan.These teams could care less about any type of rankings,they just come to play and come to win.The rest of the state will see how really strong this region is come playoff time.
By WRHS Football Fan
October 20, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this
to NSHS Fan,go to Ga Dept of Ed,locate Houston County,find NSWR 2007 enrollment of 1931 students not 1650 you are claiming.I believe last year it was 1870. TCC,Valdosta,Warner Robins have all moved up.Come on and get beat up everyweek.Last night proved my point about NSWR fans thinking they’re the greatest before the final game…you may find youself at home like so many years in the past.I’m still pulling for you to go all the way.By the way the excuse of lack of funds to travel to S.Ga to play games in 5A games doesn’t hold water because Warner Robins does it with the same basic support/budget NSWR enjoys.
By EP-HOE
October 20, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this
East Pauldng is the Real Deal! Clearly Best in there Division! Douglas Co. Beat what some people were sayin the top 5 team in the state? WAT? Cherokee? are u kidding! they lost last night to a team East Paulding Beat!!! next friday should be one heck of a ball game! with of course East Paulding coming out on top makin them 8-0 goin to play Sequoyah and the litha springs! Predictions they go into Playoffs undefieted and Region Champs! with Pride high! and play Raider Football!!!
By Hoyafan1
October 20, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this
Harrison will beat N. Cobb any day when we have Darvin Adams (going to Auburn), Alphanso Griffin (going to FSU), Robbie Godhigh, Cory Knowles, Christian Burnet, and Jamal Austin. As is we are 7-1, we lost that one game by one point and alot of bad calls. The officials sucked. Oh by the way we beat Lowndes Co. And we just beat KMHS by 27 points at their homecoming. So I hope that no one beats N. Cobb so THE HARRISON HOYAS can beat them on the turf of the Georgia Dome and then we can wipe up our mess with them. “Opps I think we’ve steped on something on the way to the Championship”. So I want all of you out there to know that real football is played at a school named HARRISON HIGH SCHOOL. Just a warning make your gameplan around those playmakers at the begining of this paragraph. NEVER FORGET LUKE ABBATE #5 he is in our hearts and minds, he is who we play for.
By Tank
October 20, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this
Hoyafan1, North Cobb beat Kennesaw Mountain 42 - 0. We know you beat Murray County 55 - 0. We had them 52 - 0 at the half. Even if we do play you again in the playoffs and lose, we still each have one loss to each other. Not really braggin’ rights on your part. By the way, “steped” has two p’s.
By yo
October 20, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
Reeze while I have the utmost respect for region 4AAAA I am sure it is not the only region with speed and good ball players. I would hate to think NSWR has “not” won all of those state championships to teams from other regions when they didn’t have speed and good ballplayers, would you? Don’t talk…come on up!!!
By yo
October 20, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
Oh by the way Reeze, Westside beat Upson Lee 31-0. Actually, I have as much respect for NSWR after the Upson Lee game as I did before, but it is still a realistic respect.
By Reeze
October 20, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this
YO!…You need to get off this school enrollment issue, AAAA teams NSWR,TCC or Baldwin could compete and and post similiar winning seasons in any AAAAA region in the state.Yo,why should we even play a single down?!.Your logic would dictate that a team, for example Brookwood(3500 plus students)should win the crown year in and out.Why don’t you just pettetion the GHSA to award the State champion each year to the school with the highest enrollment…Lol
By NSHS FAN
October 20, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this
To: By WRHS football Fan, not so fast! I was speaking to the time when the Georgia Athletic Association was selecting teams to move up to AAAAA a few years ago. At the time NSWR and WRHS had the lowest enrollment of the three County High Schools. Later, WRHS enrollment increased to the point where she was judged to move up to AAAAA. With the next re- classification round coming up, NSWR current student enrollment directs that she be in AAAAA. Re-classification I believe comes up every two years. Have no fear, NSWR will still win over WRHS until Robert Davis returns, and that isn’t likely.
By WRHS Football Fan
October 20, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this
To NSHS Fan,the enrollment between NSWR & WRHS have always been 100 or less.According to GA Dept Of Ed WRHS has 90 more students than WRHS this year.We chose to move up…why,to play the highest level you can play.I would rather play the best of the best year in and year out.History proves the level of competition in 5A.Sure there are “contenders” in 4A this year but maybe not next year. 5A has “contenders” every year.It wasn’t that long ago,2004 to be exact,that the Northside faithful were talking about it was time for Nix to go because he couldn’t win the big one.I know because I spoke with several with one intergral to the touchdown club & former player who said NIX was washed up(again history was on his side in making that statement).Now you have won one and you are world beaters.As evident of your comment about beating WRHS.Hold your breathe on that one.Again overall history doesn’t lie.One final thing,wouldn’t change Coach Way for Robert Davis anyday.We are young and will be one of the “contenders” the next several years…watch out NSHS your faithful will be calling for Nix to resign again if not careful.Don’t be cocky and finish the season strong.
By NSHS FAN
October 20, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this
To all of the bloggers North and South. Please hope for the best for Marquez Ivory, NSWR outstanding QB. He received what I heard to be a fractured ankle in the Upson-Lee game that might end his High School Football career. Without him, NSWR chances of winning a second consective state championship will be vastly reduced. The backup QB is aggresive but lack the field generalship of Ivory. I hate to believe NSWR may not get a chance to play Tucker, TCC, or some of the other outstanding teams down the road. Unpleasant things happen in football so NSWR will have to suck it up and do their best.
By WRHS Football Fan
October 20, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this
To NSHS,sorry to hear Ivory’s injury is that serious..Hopefully Nix can rally the troups and still put together that back to back state championship.Good luck
By kenny b
October 20, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this
go sandy creek we just beat carollton ranked #3
By Paco
October 20, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this
North Cobb could definately go all the way but they still have two tough region games (Etowah and Marietta). Who cares at this point who could win state? The State Championship is over a month away. That’s the kind of crap that can get any team in trouble. This has been one heck of a year in high school and college polls because teams look to far ahead. One week at at time baby! Quote of the day- “Play in the present not in the future.”
By editor
October 21, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this
Now I finally have something to print in the yearbook. Harrison 30 Little kennesaw Mt.3. No wonder you hate us so bad. ( just a little fuel to the fire)
By TCCjacketfan
October 21, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
TO Northside fans: I hope your QB is OK. All true fans of the game should say a prayer for him and all the others that get injured on the field. We as fans sometimes look for a strategic advantage for our own teams, but never at risk of another teams injured players.
By Brookwoodfan
October 21, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this
I have to agree with Paco regarding teams looking too far ahead and assuming they will win the championship yet not looking at each game. It’s been a crazy year in AAAAA high school and college as well. I haven’t kept up as well with other classifications, yet have to admit that I’ve been impressed with NSWR in AAAA and Buford in AA. Regarding the NSWR’s injured QB, as TCCjacketfan stated, my prayers are with him. Everyone does like an advantage, but I’m sure true fans would want to play NSWR (or any team) at it’s best and would not want any team’s player having a serious/career-ending injury. We have our opinions on our favorite teams, yet as high school football fans we all share a commonality of enjoying this incredible sport at this competitive, non-commercial, level.
By Old Towne Trivia Guy
October 24, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this
Hoyafan1,
Congratulations on beating Kennesaw Mountain High School on their home coming. What an accomplishment. That makes them, what 3-5 now with 6 straight losing seasons before that. LOL
Old Towne Trivia Guy
By slalom1
October 29, 2007 1:06 AM | Link to this
To:”Reeze”, Good one! For the sake of all the “enrollment” freaks out there, I agree. Let us just simply award the AAAAA state football title to the school with the largest enrollment. Then the rest of us “little guys” can win our respective titles on the field.