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By DirtDobber

October 1, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this

If JAGS have “done nothing in four games to prove it” (being in the top spot) then why put them there?

Your logic is seriously flawed by your own admission.

A simple formula to examine a team’s record and difficulty of schedule, and difficulty of opponents’ schedule might prove less subjective.

We will take these rankings more seriously when you do .

By 7aaa fan

October 1, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

North Hall is a well coached,well disciplined team.They execute extremely well and will be tough to beat. Flowery Branch is a well coached team also and they have quick strike ability. Both teams have good defenses so this will be an excellent game. Flowery Branch will give N. Hall a better game than Gainesville did. My guess is this will be a 24-21 type game and I don’t know who will win.

By jag count

October 1, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

stephenson can only play the schedule we are given but in the next coming weeks we will solidify the #1 status with wins over MLK, Redan, and douglass.

By G

October 1, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

Sorry DirtDobber, but Holcomb is dead on with Stephenson. They’ve beaten four teams they are supposed to beat, and the Jags are No. 1 because it was their time, not exactly because they did anything outstanding to earn it. It’s almost an indictment on the rest of AAAAA, but I digress…back to Stephenson, I am impressed that the defense has only given up 6 points all year (can’t count a safety against the defense), but the offense had trouble against Luella (saw it with my own eyes) and the quarterback seemed uncomfortable. I’ve seen Stephenson at least once a year for several years now and know the Jags are a team that improves as the season progresses. Who knows? Now they are off to 4-0, the train might not be stopped.

By G

October 1, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

Holcomb, how about ranking the top 10 teams in all classes? I’m very interested in where you’d put Carver-Columbus…

By shake

October 1, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

the good thing is that the rankings are superficial. make the playoffs and then win. that’s all that matters!

By Clubhouse

October 1, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

Stephenson deserves the spot because of the position they were in. They were 3rd and the other two teams ahead of them loss. No one had a problem when they were 3rd. Now its up to them to remain there. The pressure is on! They will remain #1 at least until MLK on October 12th. If they are not deserving the entire state will know. MLK will come with their best so it will be a true test of whether their weak schedule put them at #1 or they are really a team to beat in 5A.

By K

October 1, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

I am trying to understand how M.L.K is steadily dropping in the polls while pummeling who ever is in there way????? What formula do you use?

By Hornet Nation

October 1, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

The AP Poll is the one to watch and rely on.

By DirtDobber

October 1, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

Am glad TH made an agreeable selection for Stephenson fans but the stated logic/basis for the ranking remains flawed. Stephenson MAY or MAY NOT be the right choice.

Time and scores will reveal who is truly #1 .

By tru fan

October 1, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

stephenson thats ok north cobb and gwinnett i can see that, but mlk at 10 last time i checked mlk was not only beating their opponents but they were killing them. hello lets get this right

any other team with a loss below that. stop dropping mlk and if you cant get your ranking system right do away with it

By DirtDobber

October 1, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

My point exactly K .
There is no formula. This ranking is purely subjective and thus, there is no basis for any team listed , nor any team not listed.

By Action

October 1, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Hard to look at the Harrison Hoyas as a one loss team. They shut out Lowndes in Valdosta and only lost to North Cobb as a result of some very questionable officiating. Funny how the only flags against HHS that game were on big key plays including calling back two touchdowns. They were not flagged on plays with little or no gain.

By Todd Holcomb

October 1, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

If JAGS have “done nothing in four games to prove it” (being in the top spot) then why put them there?

If there’s no proof, then it’s faith. All rankings rely on some faith until the final game. I had Stephenson ranked higher in preseason (as did everyone), and Stephenson has done all it can to support that faith — winning by an average score of 30-2. All four Stephenson opponents have lost by more points to Stephenson than any other opponent.

Has North Gwinnett or North Cobb done anything that Stephenson couldn’t do if given the chance?

The team playing the tougher schedule is not necessarily the better team. So there’s no logic in that argument either.

‘G’ makes a good point when he says, ”the Jags are No. 1 because it was their time.”

While everyone is ripping Stephenson’s schedule, let’s look at history: A 10-year-old school, Stephenson has won twice as many playoff games (12) since 2001 as North Cobb (2) and North Gwinnett (4)have won in 50 years combined.

I realize that 2007 is a new day, but Stephenson has done all it can do with the schedule it has.

If Stephenson had won any of its games by 7 or fewer points, or if NC or NG had won all of its games by more than 7, then that might be enough to have me reconsider, but it’s hard to have a team get jumped in the rankings after a 27-0 victory.

By Dragon Before a Jaguar

October 1, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

From one of Coach Gartrell’s former players, great job putting your team in position to even be considered #1. People need to stop worrying about Stephenson’s ranking and worry about that defense. 6pts in 4 weeks, sounds like championship or #1 caliber to me. Defense can score touchdowns too, so don’t worry about the offense.

This might be your year coach!!

By NC-FAN

October 1, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

NORTH COBB JUST NEEDS TIME TO MAKE BELIEVERS OUT OF THE REST OF THE STATE

By Hornet Nation

October 1, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

Dragon Before a Jaguar - Quality of opponents offense - have they really played an outstanding offense this year?

By Warrior Woman

October 1, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

So Stephenson won 27-0. North Cobb won 42-0, playing deep into the bench. How a team with a schedule as weak as Stephenson’s can be #1 while MLK is #10 is beyond me. And how North Cobb cannot be #1 with the way they’ve played and the teams they’ve defeated is insane!

By luvmehateme

October 1, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Stephenson deserves to be #1 because they have not done anything but win, so far. And if they are overated as was Roswell & Norcross, they will be exposed also. So North Cobb & North Gwinnett, STOP whinning, and keep winning, and we’ll all see after 15 games.

By Todd Holcomb

October 1, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

The AP Poll is the one to watch and rely on.

What? Those goobers?

Let me ask this: Who thinks that Tift County should be ranked? The AP had Tift at No. 7 last week despite losing 32-13 to AAAA Thomas County. Tift has no outstanding victories to compensate for that loss.

What about Camden County? Camden is ranked in AP, and while I think Camden might well be one of the Top 10 teams (subjective opinion), there is no justification for ranking a team that lost to Chattahoochee, which lost to Wheeler, which lost to Campbell, which lost to Marietta, which got blown out by Harrison (objective opinion).

Camden has done nothing to atone for that defeat and cannot be ranked — if you are being objective. Fluke or no fluke, Camden lost to a team that’s not even among the 20 best in AAAAA.

I’m just saying.

stop dropping mlk and if you cant get your ranking system right do away with it.

When the season started, I thought MLK was a team that ought to be 8-10 in the rankings. The AP and coaches polls didn’t think MLK was good enough to be ranked at all, so for awhile, I was defending MLK.

So far, the Lions have played as I’ve expected them, so I still think they’re an 8-10 team. No reason to advance them, especially when they barely beat Redan — 14-13. They’ve played like a No. 10 team.

Furthermore, MLK has never beaten a Top 10 team in AAAAA, not this season, not ever. That’s the forumla.

There is no formula. This ranking is purely subjective and thus, there is no basis for any team listed , nor any team not listed.

The rankings are not purely subjective, just partly subjective. Otherwise, I’d have Roswell ahead of Walton, as the AP does. That would be subjective.

But objectively speaking, Walton beat Roswell, and it’s not for me to interpret which was really the better team when there was a game to decide it.,

As far as formula, this is what I try to do: If Team A beats Team B, then Team A will be ranked higher unless there is contradictory evidence. (For example, P’tree lost to Grayson but is ranked higher because P’tree beat Norcross, which beat Grayson.)

When you have teams that don’t have common opponents, either directly or indirectly, then it’s subjective. At that point, you almost have no choice but to be subjective.

As much as possible, I try to respect final scores and not accept excuses for why a team lost (like the refs in the case of Harrison vs. North Cobb).

By luvmehateme

October 1, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it funny Mr. Action how you never hear the winning team, or their fans question the officials. Please ACCEPT your loss, win out, and be State Champions!

By It's my opinion!

October 1, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Dear Mr. Dragon Before a Jaguar, I’m assuming that’s Shamrock Dragon. You should be banned from posting anything because Shamrock sucked! Also North Cobb, North Gwinnett, be patient. Ron Gartrell is a loser, and it’s just a matter of time!!!!!!

By Lion's Den

October 1, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

I can not understand how MLK (5-0) has dropped from being ranked 8th to 10th the last few weeks and also please explain why there are (6) teams that have already lost a game ranked higher than the LIONS???

Once again, thanks very much to the AJC for keeping the team hungry and motivated. With all due respect, Douglas HS will be the next victim this coming Friday at Lakewood stadium and we can not wait to bring the pain to Stephenson HS and anyone else that crosses our path.

Kicking butt and taking names all the way to the 5A title! Go Lions!

By Todd Holcomb

October 1, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

please explain why there are (6) teams that have already lost a game ranked higher than the LIONS???

Either we go by W-L record, which is what standings are for, or we look closer at how the teams are performing.

All six of those teams w/ one loss have lost to teams that are better than anyone that MLK has played.

MLK has never finished in the Top 10 of Class AAAAA, and has never beaten a Top 10 team in AAAAA.

I’d just rather not put too much faith in a program that hasn’t done anything in AAAAA to justify being any higher than about 8-10.

By Warrior Woman

October 1, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

If you look at winning percent, and then use average score differential to sort where winning percents are the same, you get a very different ranking for AAAAA:

This doesn’t really address strength of schedule, but it also avoids boosting or penalizing this year’s ranking because of historic performance.

By jag count

October 1, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

its my opinion I take exception to your comment, for you to come on a blog anonymously an talk about shamrock and then insult my coach i have a serious problem with that. I think the real loser is the adult that is afraid of having his identity revealed. By the way if you want mine I can provide it along with office hours for you to come by and continue this conversation.

By I Go To Games

October 1, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Thank God there’s a playoff system! Keep your notes this year Todd and you will see, once again, how wrong you are. If you go watch some of these teams play instead of sitting in your office cascading won-lost records, you will know who is best.

By John

October 1, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

This appears to be one of those years when three AAAA teams—Northside, Tucker and Thomas County Central—may be capable of dominating any region or any other classification.

Also—is anybody in AA capable of even competing with Buford?

Finally—AAA appears to be as hard to figure out as AAAAA. Carrollton, LaGrange, Carver-Columbus, Stephens County and North Hall all appear fully capable of winning state.

By Coach Boo

October 1, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

I don’t really have a problem with you ranking the teams in any order you want to rank them… as long as you make sure that everybody knows that it is just YOUR ranking done by some type of SWAG or “Napkin Analysis”.

I think that people get frustrated because they think that the AJC has some type of BCS super computer that does these rankings! They don’t realize that it is no more than someone (you) offering up their opinion as to who the top teams are… and often on very little information.

Be honest… how much knowledge do you have about the depth of teams like Norcross, M.L. King, Stephenson, Peachtree Ridge, North Gwinnett, etc.? What about the head coaches and their styles and personalities? I would submit to you that these are very important factors in determining the rankings of teams, but I am most sure that they are also things that you do not even consider.

So to all my fellow bloggers… Give this man a break!!! He is only trying to do his job… no matter how ignorant he may seem!!!

By DirtDobber

October 1, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Now Todd. “The rankings are not purely subjective, just partly subjective.” That in itself, is ALSO subjective.

Warrior Woman above has the right idea . You keep this up and readers will most definitely “rip you a new one” every time. Maybe that is what you are after [to promote conversation] but I would at least come up with a mathematical model , with multiple categories and category weightings, then simply do the math . Stick to it through a season and see what happens .

Good luck Todd ! You are more of a man than most to invite this kind of fan abuse .

By jag count

October 1, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

good job todd no matter what folks say.

By Bohgey

October 1, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

Todd, there is a case for all the good teams out there, but this isn’t the final poll of the season. Until Stephenson loses, leave them there. Being a Lowndes homer, I have only seen Harrison, Coffee, and Central Gwinnett play. Harrison should remain ranked, they were a good football team. They are not worthy of the top spot though. The state knows what Lowndes has done the past three weekends, and I hope Coffee really was worthy of #2 before 8 PM last Friday. This season is starting to take the shape of Lowndes 2005 when we lost to Ware County and took that loss out on the teams we played from there on out. I think we should be right where we are in the rankings, the only one that matters is the last one.

By DSGB

October 1, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

Todd, What is your take on TCCHS vs Cairo this Friday. Should be a hell of a game.Let me know what you think and I won’t be so hard on you, Just kiddin you do a great job.

By Corey

October 1, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

MLK is only in their second year in 5A. They have play in 3A and 4A, and have been very competitive in all. They have had some GREAT road wins against schools that will give most 5A schools a run for their money. They have been successful in all classifications they have been in.

By LION KING

October 1, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

I have looked at your explanation for taking MLK down from #8 to #10 in this weeks rankings, and your reasoning is completely bogus. First off, this is MLK’S second year in AAAAA, and they made it to the second round of the playoffs in their first year. True enough, their performance was not that impressive, but even you have to admit that these “top” teams that you go back and forth about each week are not that impressive either. Please don’t try and make a justification for dropping a team down 2 spots after they beat a team by more than 40 points because you are nervous about them? You should have been more nervous about having to go through 3 or 4 teams at number one in only 5 weeks of football!! Have more respect for Dekalb County football than that!

By Let It GO

October 1, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Let Stephenson be #1. They’ll be gone early in the play-offs.

By faycotiger

October 1, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

how are the fayette county tigers not ranked in the top ten? They have gone 5-0 for the first time since 1967 in arguably one of the toughest divisions in AAAA? Where is the love?

By ktmoney

October 1, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

please don’t sleep on tift co. the week they lost to tcc there were some key players that were out all state running back kareem hess was out due to a broken finger our starting defensive end and our starting offensive tackle was out so don’t be so quick to judge us based on that game I was there and we had chances the score got outta hand late in the fourth qtr. all i’m saying is watch out for tift co. now that everyone is healthy.

By No Problem

October 1, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

Don’t be too quick to claim that number one spot. I know i wouldn’t cause everybody thats been there has fallen.

By Dee

October 1, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

PLEASE GIVE NORTH COBB SOME CREDIT!!! THEY ARE WINNING GAMES BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD. YES, THEY DID BEAT HARRISON NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT. BOTTOM LINE.

By Rich

October 1, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

I cannot believe there is not a word about LaGrange on here. The team has not been scored on yet this year, not a single point. 0. How often has that happened?

By joe INFOMED

October 1, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

u N.COBB GUYS just want people to hand u the # ONE SPOT. well it dont work like that. just look at your record over the past ten years an look at ours and u will c why we are NUMBER 1. have seen us play? we make those teams look bad. because alot of those boys can play in our region. come an c us play then comment. LIKE I SAID LOOK AT YOUR T.V. ON SAT. AN SUNDAY, WHEN U WATCH THOSE GAMES AN C HOW MANY OF OURS PLAYERS OUR ON THERE AN THEN LOOK AT YOURS BOYS. MAYBE THEN U WILL UNDERSTAND!!!GO JAGS

By joe INFOMED

October 1, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

u N.COBB GUYS just want people to hand u the # ONE SPOT. well it dont work like that. just look at your record over the past ten years an look at ours and u will c why we are NUMBER 1. have seen us play? we make those teams look bad. because alot of those boys can play in our region. come an c us play then comment. LIKE I SAID LOOK AT YOUR T.V. ON SAT. AN SUNDAY, WHEN U WATCH THOSE GAMES AN C HOW MANY OF OURS PLAYERS OUR ON THERE AN THEN LOOK AT YOURS BOYS. MAYBE THEN U WILL UNDERSTAND!!!GO JAGS

By Allen

October 1, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

i was at the North Hall v. Gainesville game, and it was actually more lopsided than the final score reflected. N.H. is just aphysically dominating team. you know what they are going to do, but you are helpless to stop them. That said, i agree that Flowery Branch is a tougher opponent than Gainesville (not dogging the red elephants), but the Trojans just faced the spread offense and fared pretty well (41-22) against it. I think it’s gonna be close, but in the end, the Trojans win

By RicRac4ever

October 1, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

I don’t think Westside will be able to hang with Northside, but there are at least two other teams - Tucker and TCC - that could. TCC has a strong team and Pilcher always has his team playing better in the playoffs (they once won state after a 5-5 regular season) and Tucker has the team speed and (more importantly) would play Northside in the Dome (where Tucker would have large fan support).

Northside will still be favored - they have the state’s longest current win streak. and i’ll be pullling for them.

By RicRac4ever

October 1, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

How many times does Charlton County have to beat Buford and/or win AA state for metro area fans to realize Buford is not so obvious as the best team in AA?

the Wolves may win this year - they have a fine program - but I have to chuckle whenever someone asks incredulously “Who can beat Buford?”

the answer has been provided multiple times: 3-time defending AA champion Charlton County

By slalom1

October 1, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

To “John” Always good to hear from someone who is interested in teams other than AAAAA. AAAA does appear to be very tough this year, with Northside and Thomas County shaping up to possibly be the best in the state.(No disrespect to Tucker.) As for AAA, you are right. The picture is very fuzzy. The probable state champion will most likely come from one of the currently ranked Top 3 teams: LaGrange, Carver, or Carrollton. Do not know much about this year’s Carrollton team other than they seem to have no problem winning in higher classifications, and dominating their region opponents. As for LaGrange and Carver, these are 2 teams that I follow very closely. On paper, Carver looks almost unbeatable, with possibly the state’s top QB and WR for 2007, along with a very rugged defense, and running game. The Grangers, on the other hand, have possibly the most talented sophmore and junior class of any team in the state, which includes kicker Joe Mansour, who is simply phenoninal, both as a place kicker and punter. Throw in QB, WR, Jamius Gunsby, a 6’4 198 lb. soph. version of Darren McFadden, along with junior LB. Qua Huzzie(5’11 200 lbs., possibly the best in the state), and you have a team that could go all the way, as long as they do not beat themselves. Should be an interesting play-off year.

By tj

October 1, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

when coffee play lownes that was a b****** game that cheated they paid the ref

By Ben

October 1, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

Lowndes is starting to look scary. Does Stephenson have the kicking game of a #1 team? Just wondering..

By devin

October 1, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

LOWDNES REFREES CHEATED FRIDAY NIGHT AT THE COFFEE AND LOWDNES

By DEVIN

October 1, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

lownes paid the ref AT THE COFFEE AND LOWNES scary SO THEY cheated

By DEVIN

October 1, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

lownes paid the ref AT THE COFFEE AND LOWNES scary SO THEY cheated

By BleedBlue

October 1, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

I am a hugh Stephenson fan. I see them week in and week out, know most of the boys personally and have seen them play football since the park days. I know Stephenson is always in the mix somewhere in the rankings but this year I believe they have a real legitimate chance of at least making it to the dome. It just depends on who they are matched up with. Without giving anything away that others don’t already know, their offense may be a little vanilla so you don’t have the 40+ point scoring like other schools but those boys know the game and they know how to win and the defense is like no other, bigger, smarter and faster than most. Coach Gartrell has been in the big games and lost enough to know now, what it takes to win. Stephenson will make it to the dance this year without a doubt.

By joe INFOMED

October 1, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

MLK WHY OUR U UP HERE CRYING ABOUT GETTING DROP FROM 8 TO 10. U SHOULD BE MORE WORRYED ABOUT HOW U OUR GOING TO EXPLAIN THE BEATING U ARE GOING TO GET BY THE JAGS ON OCT.12 AT 7:30PM.U NO THAT WHAT HAPPEN LAST YEAR WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. THE BAD PART IS THEY ARE BETTER THIS YEAR TO ME THAN LAST YEAR BUT WE WILL C WHAT U THINK AFTER THAT GAME. AN “40 PTS” DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT ON THAT D. U WILL BE LUCKY TO SCORE 6 AN THATS IF THEY FALL ASLEEP ON A PLAY AN LAY DOWN ON THE FEILD.HOPE TO C CATS I MEAN LIONS THERE!!!GO JAGS

By joe INFOMED

October 1, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

MLK WHY OUR U UP HERE CRYING ABOUT GETTING DROP FROM 8 TO 10. U SHOULD BE MORE WORRYED ABOUT HOW U OUR GOING TO EXPLAIN THE BEATING U ARE GOING TO GET BY THE JAGS ON OCT.12 AT 7:30PM.U NO THAT WHAT HAPPEN LAST YEAR WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. THE BAD PART IS THEY ARE BETTER THIS YEAR TO ME THAN LAST YEAR BUT WE WILL C WHAT U THINK AFTER THAT GAME. AN “40 PTS” DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT ON THAT D. U WILL BE LUCKY TO SCORE 6 AN THATS IF THEY FALL ASLEEP ON A PLAY AN LAY DOWN ON THE FEILD.HOPE TO C CATS I MEAN LIONS THERE!!!GO JAGS

By yo

October 1, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

Devin are you talking about the time the referees called a fumble on Lowndes that clearly was not a fumble but was caused by the running back hitting the ground and then the ball came loose? Remember? One of those times when Lowndes was getting ready to score again! If the refs were cheating then they must have been helping out the Lowndes offensive line by blocking your guys as our running backs were running through those gaping holes. Coffee has a talented team that can go a long way in the playoffs…but not by making excuses and blaming the refs. The fact is the outcome would have been the same no matter what group of refs had called the game.

By hsref

October 1, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

To the person that said it is funny how they only threw flags on the long plays, and none on the short plays. Maybe the reason they got the long play was due to that hold or block in the back. As a H.S ref we take a lot of pride in what we do. We don’t throw flags unless we see a reason for it.

By james

October 1, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

Todd

You are amazing with your rankings and comments defending them. ML King dropping 2 spots, with a blowout win against Union Grove. Moreover your fan vote included ML King as a possible number 1 pick. Please don’t insult us, just let us know the real reason………

By Todd Holcomb

October 1, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this

how are the fayette county tigers not ranked in the top ten? They have gone 5-0 for the first time since 1967 in arguably one of the toughest divisions in AAAA? Where is the love?

There are 13 undefeated teams in AAAA, so not all can be ranked. But there are a couple of one-loss teams in there – Habersham Central and Marist. Their losses are against ranked teams (Tucker, Stephens County) that are stronger than anyone that Fayette has faced to this point. And while 2-AAAAA is a pretty good region, Fayette has played only two region games, none against any of the four returning playoff teams. Good luck to the Tigers, though. It would be nice to see them in the playoffs, or the Top 10 for that matter.

Frankly, the AAAA rankings were harder than AAAAA this week. Those first six have separated themselves, and then it’s nit-picking to separate teams after that.

* have looked at your explanation for taking MLK down from #8 to #10 in this weeks rankings, and your reasoning is completely bogus. First off, this is MLK’S second year in AAAAA, and they made it to the second round of the playoffs in their first year. … Have more respect for Dekalb County football than that!*

I didn’t say MLK never won a round in the playoffs in AAAAA. I said MLK had never beaten a Top 10 team in AAAAA. So I don’t think it’s bogus or disrespectful to let MLK wait a little while before being a mid-Top 10 team.

* Don’t be too quick to claim that number one spot. I know i wouldn’t cause everybody thats been there has fallen.*

Smartest thing I’ve read all day.

By Wizzade

October 1, 2007 7:37 PM | Link to this

One question. Why is everyone worried about the rankings anyway? I think that Tucker can play with anyone in the state. No school in your heralded GWINNETT COUNTY can beat them. As for Stephenson, the state title goes through Jaguar country. Look at the past state champions in recent years. They beat Stephenson, but only after injuries to key players for Stephenson. A healthy Stephenson and they have 3 titles easy. Ask Lowndes. Ask Camden County. Ask Peachtree Ridge. Parkview found out the hard way with the number one tailback in America( Caleb King ). Stephenson is number one until they lose. End of story. In fact cancel the rest of the season and put Tucker against Stephenson in the dome for the GEORGIA All-Class championship, or they can play it at Hallford Stadium.

By hsref

October 1, 2007 7:49 PM | Link to this

Tucker is a Great team, BUT they could not compete with some of the teams in 5a. To be honest I don’t think Tucker could beat anyone in the top 10 in 5a. I will say this if the bracket workes out right I do think Tucker will play NWR for the 4a title.

By Todd Holcomb

October 1, 2007 7:49 PM | Link to this

Thank God there’s a playoff system! Keep your notes this year Todd and you will see, once again, how wrong you are. If you go watch some of these teams play instead of sitting in your office cascading won-lost records, you will know who is best.

Don’t tell my boss, but I hardly ever go in the office. But I’ve been going to a game a week for the past six years or so. That doesn’t mean I know what I’m watching, but I do show up.

**I don’t really have a problem with you ranking the teams in any order you want to rank them… as long as you make sure that everybody knows that it is just YOUR ranking done by some type of SWAG or “Napkin Analysis”.

I thought everybody knew these were my rankings. Otherwise, why would I do a blog and court all this love every week? And I don’t know what SWAG or ‘’Napkin Analysis’’ is. Maybe I’d live to give them a try. It might help.

Be honest… how much knowledge do you have about the depth of teams like Norcross, M.L. King, Stephenson, Peachtree Ridge, North Gwinnett, etc.? What about the head coaches and their styles and personalities? I would submit to you that these are very important factors in determining the rankings of teams, but I am most sure that they are also things that you do not even consider.

Frankly, I don’t think that those things (coaching style, personality) matter much in rankings. It’s all speculation anyway. Nobody knows how a coach and a style will affect a team, unless you’re talking about the same style and team that’s put a successful record together. Then it’s not speculation. It’s track record.

But nobody really knows ahead of time what impact Bill Ballard will have at P’tree Ridge or Franklin Stephens at Tucker. It’s when they pound Norcross or Marist that it matters. I’m not trying to predict the future as much as I’m trying to reflect the past. Rankings are more about what you’ve done, not what you’re going to do. Early in a season, I’m forced to make more guesses unless I just want to make the preseason rankings the same as the 2006 year-end rankings. But the closer we get to the end, the more rankings should be strictly on what you do on the field.

By sam

October 1, 2007 7:59 PM | Link to this

How many top 10 teams has Stephenson played?

0

North Cobb had a one point victory over the current #4. Harrison is a force to be reckoned with, and North Cobb beat them.

A one point victory does not nullify our higher points differential. Stephenson has had no challenge. We beat a team that was #6 when we were not ranked, and has now risen to #4. To say that we are not as good as the Jaguars, who have played no top ten teams, is simply illogical.

By Todd Holcomb

October 1, 2007 7:59 PM | Link to this

I cannot believe there is not a word about LaGrange on here. The team has not been scored on yet this year, not a single point. 0. How often has that happened?

Not a word means a compliment. Stephenson is getting lots of words. You don’t want that.

Tucker and LaGrange are the only teams that have not been scored on this season. It’s happened three times that a team has not allowed a point in the regular season — 1957 Fort Valley, 1984 Mary Persons, 1985 West Rome.

By hsref

October 1, 2007 8:02 PM | Link to this

Hey Todd,

A question a little off topic, but here it goes. What are your feelings about GHSA’s change from having the semi final games at the GA dome to having all the championship games at the Dome?

By Todd Holcomb

October 1, 2007 8:13 PM | Link to this

A question a little off topic, but here it goes. What are your feelings about GHSA’s change from having the semi final games at the GA dome to having all the championship games at the Dome?

I liked it the way it was because I could see 20 good teams in two days at one venue.

But for the sake of football statewide, I think the GHSA is right to give the Dome a try for the finals. If it doesn’t work, then you can always go back, but there are enough serious concerns about seating and parking and concessions for title games at these small fields that going to the Dome is worth a try. Most other states play their finals on neutral fields in big stadiums.

By Todd Holcomb

October 1, 2007 8:26 PM | Link to this

North Cobb … beat a team that was #6 (Harrison) when we were not ranked, and has now risen to #4. To say that we are not as good as the Jaguars, who have played no top ten teams, is simply illogical.

No it’s not, Sam. Actually, what you’re saying is illogical. You’re saying that North Cobb is better than Stephenson simply because North Cobb has played the tougher schedule. What’s logical about that? If the New England Patriots had played Banneker, McNair, Towers and Luella, would North Cobb be better than the Patriots? Sometimes the better team plays the weaker schedule.

By DeeDawg

October 1, 2007 8:31 PM | Link to this

Todd.. you have to admit this blog is a huge success!! I give you credit for sticking to your logic and ranking Stephenson #1. They deserve it. To do otherwise would have brought just as many comments demanding to know why not. If you look at the individual school blogs, you will see that Stephenson always has the most comments, criticism, and accolades. One of the reasons is because, despite having never won a state championship, Stephenson has the most success developing division 1 college football prospects and scholarships. This past saturday college games featured many former Stephenson stars…starting on top college squads. Florida, LSU, Tulane, FSU, Georgia, to name a few. So thank you Coach Gartrell for helping our kids strive for and achieve their college and professional dreams. Many hate that you achieve this without a state high school championship. Thats fine, because Stephenson is loaded with talent at every level middle school to high school. We’ll be watching Stephenson grads playing on Saturdays and Sundays for years to come. That is REAL success!!!

By yo

October 1, 2007 8:43 PM | Link to this

I have a couple of questions for you AAA and AAAA types who can’t give it up. Especially pointed at Northide Warner and Lagrange. How many championships out of how many years played did you win when playing at the then AAAA largest classification? Now how many championships have you won since playing in the smaller classification of AAA or AAAA and out of how many years played in that classification? I think you will see the comparison of the 2 numbers dont lie. Much easier to win championships in lower classifications. Now throw in the fact that the largest classification of AAAAA has become much more competitive and you should come to the realization you might be wise to be glad you are in AAA and AAAA. To futher prove the point it is no accident that TCC when moved up to AAAA from AAA has found it much more dificult to win championships.

By Todd Holcomb

October 1, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this

* I give you credit for sticking to your logic and ranking Stephenson #1. They deserve it. To do otherwise would have brought just as many comments demanding to know why not. *

Thanks, Dee. The reality is that I could’ve chosen Stephenson, North Cobb or North Gwinnett and defended any of the three w/ a valid argument, but as you said, rocks would’ve flown regardless.

Ultimately, Stephenson’s history of success is what put the Jags at No. 1. And if they played North Cobb or North Gwinnett, I think they’d win. Just a gut feeling. Will be fun to see how it plays out.

By Old timer

October 1, 2007 8:57 PM | Link to this

I too am glad there is a playoff system (but I liked the co champion thing). And also appreciate the tradition of Stephenson and Lowndes Co. as I have followed high level, high school football since 1974. And though North Cobb has always been more of a pretender than a contender on the state level, they are the real deal this season. They may not win em all but they will not be embarrassed by anyone. And the reason holding flags flew all night long in the Harrison backfield was because of speed (and wet jerseys). I hope they get to play in good weather later in the season.

By Bohgey

October 1, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

To “Devin” I think there were a few calls that went Lowndes’ way, but the game was decided on the first and second drives by Lowndes. It is hard to say that a couple of penalties warranted Lowndes hanging 42 on you. “Wizzade”, I don’t think when Lowndes played Stephenson, you lost because of a couple of key players. Your team got you to the spot that you were, not just one or two people. I am pretty sure Marcus Ball was in that game anyways. It wasn’t a blowout, and you lost to the state champions, that is nothing to be mad about. Good teams find ways to win, and you are right, until you lose, you deserve the top spot.

By fan

October 1, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this

todd, you are right on! mlk quit crying and be happy you are even ranked. north cobb, you barely sqeaked by harrison, so be cool with two a field goal or one less penality and you would’nt even be ranked! stephenson, you know u hav’nt played anybody so enjoy the top for the time being. lowndes, be happy u are only one behind harrison, hey it’s better than nine! finally football fans be greatful that we have this wonderful game to love and take our minds off the real preasures of life . thanks todd

By Bohgey

October 1, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this

“Devin” Besides, those refs were from Albany, they weren’t even from 1-AAAAA. If we paid them, I didn’t know about it.

By Todd Holcomb

October 1, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

*I have a couple of questions for you AAA and AAAA types who can’t give it up. Especially pointed at Northide Warner and Lagrange. How many championships out of how many years played did you win when playing at the then AAAA largest classification? Now how many championships have you won since playing in the smaller classification of AAA or AAAA and out of how many years played in that classification? I think you will see the comparison of the 2 numbers dont lie. Much easier to win championships in lower classifications. Now throw in the fact that the largest classification of AAAAA has become much more competitive and you should come to the realization you might be wise to be glad you are in AAA and AAAA. *

You deserve your own blog, Yo. That’s good stuff.

While Northside was perhaps the best team in any class in 2006, Roswell played 5 teams in the playoffs that were just as good if not better than Marist, the team that Northside played in the final.

Roswell’s playoff gantlet:

Collins Hill (a team that had beaten P’tree Ridge and went 3 OT w/ Norcross)

Brookwood

Houston County

Tift County

P’tree Ridge

So while it’s possible that the best team resides in AAAA in a given year, it remains much, much tougher to win AAAAA. In the opinion of me and Yo, of course.

By NC FAN

October 1, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

JOE, THE PAST TEN YEARS REALLY DOESN’T MATTER IN THE POLLS FOR THIS SEASON. WHO CARES ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO. LOOK AT THE PAST 5 GAMES AND TELL ME THEY’RE NOT AS GOOD AS STEPHENSON. OUTSCORING OPPONENTS 161-31. ARE THEY NOT MAKING OPPONENTS LOOK BAD?

By slalom1

October 1, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

To “Rich” Just today I posted quite a long summary of AAA, and in particular referenced the talent on this year’s Granger team, as well as the teams of Carver, and Carrollton. Do not know why it never showed up. (Probably an error. If not, maybe the powers to be are just not interested in the “non-AAAAA” schools.) The Grangers have some awesome young talent.

By slalom1

October 1, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

To “Rich” Just today I posted quite a long summary of AAA, and in particular referenced the talent on this year’s Granger team, as well as the teams of Carver, and Carrollton. Do not know why it never showed up. (Probably an error. If not, maybe the powers to be are just not interested in the “non-AAAAA” schools.) The Grangers have some awesome young talent.

By slalom1

October 1, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

To “Rich” Just today I posted quite a long summary of AAA, and in particular referenced the talent on this year’s Granger team, as well as the teams of Carver, and Carrollton. Do not know why it never showed up. (Probably an error. If not, maybe the powers to be are just not interested in the “non-AAAAA” schools.) The Grangers have some awesome young talent.

By Bored

October 1, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this

Off topic again, how will the gates ($)be split during these championship games? And, finally, are you really being paid for your stay at home opinions? GREAT GIG DUDE.

By slalom1

October 1, 2007 9:58 PM | Link to this

To Todd Holcomb and “Yo” I can answer that question. While playing in the state’s largest classification, LaGrange won 8 state titles, and one national title, while having what was technically a AA student body. (Even during the 1991 state and national championship year, the Grangers were not only THE smallest school in what was then the state’s largest classification, but would have been one of the smallest schools in the state’s second largest classification.) As for Northside, I am glad to see them getting the recognition for a job well done. And, they never won the big one in the state’s largest classification. But, that was then. This is now. Northside deserves all of the praise they have been given. This IS their time. Todd, I am dissappointed to hear you pander to an arrogant, misinformed AAAAA snob such as “Yo”. By your own stats the AAAA schools are 29-16 this season against their larger AAAAA rivals. That is “good stuff”? Truth is, what “Yo” writes is nothing more than arrogant bunk. A fun scenario might be to see how some of the elite AAAAA schools would fare playing in AAAA or AAA. Dropping down in classification has certainly not helped Clark Central nor Southwest Dekalb, both of whom were powerhouses in the state’s largest classification for many generations.

By Walton

October 1, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this

N. Gwinnett didn’t completely impress me when they played Walton. They had -1 yard in the 2nd half but are ranked high in your poll none the less. I guess what I don’t get if N. Gwinnett is so good then why isn’t Walton ranked ahead of Peachtree Ridge? I would say N. Gwinnett is a better foe then Chattahoochie. Are you saying the Norcross is a bigger win then Roswell?

By yo

October 1, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this

Slalom 1…I am feeling the love but you didn’t answer “all” of the questions. Please continue. Not just the part that proves your point but “all” of the questions.

By Walton

October 1, 2007 10:07 PM | Link to this

Whoops I meant Grayson not Hoochie……

By Dekaln

October 1, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this

come on now jags played a 3A team.they didn’t play a team thats match up with them.they are a great football team but u can’t rank them top 5.they played esay game for them to be ranked this high.they will go undefted.mlk is not a good team either.watch and we will see

By joe INFOMED

October 1, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this

WELL MR.OR MISS NC FAN THE TRUE IT DOES NOT MATTER BUT AS I SAID U DONT JUST GET RESPECT U EARN IT. AN WELL TO ME U HAVE NOT. U HAVE SOME GOOD WINS BUT AS FAR AS IM HEREING NOTHIN TO MAKE U THE NUMBER ONE TEAM IN THE STATE. WE ARE # 1 BECUZES WE HAVE EARN IT BY PLAY OVER THE YEARS AN NOT JUST ONE GOOD START TO THE SEASON.KEEP DOING IT.THATS WHEN U CAN BE # 1 AN NOT US. BUT IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO IS NUMBER ONE RIGHT NOW! ITS AT THE END OF THE SEASON.THATS WHEN U WILL C WHO IS NUMBER ONE.GO JAGS!!!! THE ONLY REASON U GUYS ARE SO MAD ABOUT IS BECUZES U DONT WHEN WILL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT U GUYS BEING # 1 AGAIN. WELL AT STEPHENSON ITS NORMAL 4 US TO WIN. THINK ABOUT THIS MY TEAM WILL BE IN TOP TEN NEXT. THAT IS A FACT.DO U NO THAT ABOUT YOUR TEAM OR ARE U HOPING THEY CAN GO 5-O AGAIN NEXT YEAR. GO JAGS!!! NEXT

By joe INFOMED

October 1, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this

WELL MR.OR MISS NC FAN THE TRUE IT DOES NOT MATTER BUT AS I SAID U DONT JUST GET RESPECT U EARN IT. AN WELL TO ME U HAVE NOT. U HAVE SOME GOOD WINS BUT AS FAR AS IM HEREING NOTHIN TO MAKE U THE NUMBER ONE TEAM IN THE STATE. WE ARE # 1 BECUZES WE HAVE EARN IT BY PLAY OVER THE YEARS AN NOT JUST ONE GOOD START TO THE SEASON.KEEP DOING IT.THATS WHEN U CAN BE # 1 AN NOT US. BUT IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO IS NUMBER ONE RIGHT NOW! ITS AT THE END OF THE SEASON.THATS WHEN U WILL C WHO IS NUMBER ONE.GO JAGS!!!! THE ONLY REASON U GUYS ARE SO MAD ABOUT IS BECUZES U DONT WHEN WILL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT U GUYS BEING # 1 AGAIN. WELL AT STEPHENSON ITS NORMAL 4 US TO WIN. THINK ABOUT THIS MY TEAM WILL BE IN TOP TEN NEXT. THAT IS A FACT.DO U NO THAT ABOUT YOUR TEAM OR ARE U HOPING THEY CAN GO 5-O AGAIN NEXT YEAR. GO JAGS!!! NEXT

By joe INFOMED

October 1, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this

WHO DO U REPRESENT MR.DEKALN.

By joe INFOMED

October 1, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this

WHO DO U REPRESENT MR.DEKALN.

By Todd Holcomb

October 1, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this

*To Slolom:

You’re still my favorite, but I agree w/ Yo that AAAAA is much tougher as a class to win the title title because of the number of good teams you must beat in the playoffs starting in Round 1.

Didn’t say that LaGrange or Northside couldn’t still be the best team in the state in a given year, including 2007.

But let’s not get carried away w/ LaGrange. Five of those eight titles to which you refer were pre-GHSA and not in the highest class. And two others were in the ’50s.

Also, in 1991, according to GHSA figures, LaGrange had 892 students, which would’ve been more than any team playing in AAA that year, the second-highest class. So it appears that LaGrange did not choose to play up.

LaGrange was definitely one of the smaller schools in AAAA, but about the same as state powers Clarke Central and SW DeKalb. The biggest school in Georgia in 1991 was Griffin, by far w/ 1907.

It’s correct to say that LaGrange’s 1991 national championship team came from a school roughly the same size of the current LaGrange. So that does help prove that great teams can come from smaller schools. I agree w/ you on that.

Are you saying the Norcross is a bigger win then Roswell?

Under the circumstances, yes. P’tree Ridge led Norcross 26-7, with Norcross’ only score a KO return. PR out-gained Norcross in the first half something like 210-12. It was domination. Walton didn’t dominate Roswell.

Also, P’tree Ridge lost to Grayson, not Chattahoochee. But yes, N.Gwinnett is a better loss than Grayson, but Grayson’s not bad.

The difference between P’tree Ridge and Walton is two-fold: One, while both teams could easily be 5-0, only Walton could easily be 4-2. Or 3-3, for that matter.

I agree about North Gwinnett. I’m skeptical, but bottom line is that no other team in the state has beaten two of the top 12-15 teams in AAAAA - Brookwood and Walton.

Off topic again, how will the gates ($)be split during these championship games? And, finally, are you really being paid for your stay at home opinions? GREAT GIG DUDE.

It is a great gig, but you notice I’m still working at 10:45. Well, it’s not really work. …

Not sure about the gate receipts for the finals. During the semis, the higher classes got a larger share:

AAAAA-27 PCT

AAAA-24 PCT

AAA-20 PCT and so forth.

Teams coming to the Dome are paid mileage, so if you’re coming from Camden, you get more money back than if you’re coming from Stephenson.

By jag count

October 1, 2007 10:54 PM | Link to this

what is your opinion about the many haters of stephenson high school

By yo

October 1, 2007 11:19 PM | Link to this

Let me help you out Slalom 1. Did a little research for you from your own web site. Lagrange first 7 state championships came from the years 1921, 1924, 1923, 1926, 1930, and 1955. Prior to 1947 were not GHSA titles. So from 1947 to 1997 Lagrange won 3 state titles out of 50 years in the largest classification. That is 1 out of every 17 years. From 1998 to 2006 Lagrange has won 3 state championships…that is 1 every 3 years. Congratulations on the wise decision to move down to AAA and make yourself more competitive. Now to Northside Warner always a good program as long as I can remember. In fact until 1999 they were always a thorn in Lowndes side (man was 1999 sweeeet!). From 1964 to 1999 (36 years) no state championships (even though they may have had a state championship team). They remain in AAAA when the bigger schools move up to AAAAA and in only 7 short years they have won their first state championship and now working on their second. Proof that the week in and week out competition in the biggest classification is much tougher to compete in. Especially the gauntlet of 5 straight AAAAA good to very good teams when you get to the playoffs.

By B-Wolfes

October 1, 2007 11:26 PM | Link to this

Hey News for everybody STEPHENSON isn’t as good as people want to believe. they say they have to play the schedule they are given and if they want to claim fame for it thats there problem. they need to take a backseat to a team who plays more than one good team.maybe like north who plays/played ,walton,brookwood,P-ridge,and Norcross. i go to grayson but when i saw them play and was very impressed,there quarterback is outstanding he got offers to commit to GA hes sophmore year and now hes ahead in just about every quarterback asspect in football. he will take North a long way

By yo

October 1, 2007 11:26 PM | Link to this

Wow Todd…appears I could have just sat by and let you respond…amazingly similar responses.

By Wizzade

October 2, 2007 12:02 AM | Link to this

Take the top 5 in Gwinnett and take the top 5 in Dekalb to get it in in a today event for the bragging rights of the metro area. Sorry Cobb, you all can’t win outside of Cobb County. Dekalb would win 4 to one. Stephenson, Tucker, MLK, Marist, and SWD can take North Gwinnett, Norcross, Peachtree Ridge, Brookwood, and Parkview. Petition for this next year at the dome and let’s see some quality football.

By Nam Nhu

October 2, 2007 12:07 AM | Link to this

Thank you very much for the lack of respect for Tift County. It’s true that we lost to Thomas County Central. But TCC was only the #2 team in AAAA. In my opinion, we shouldn’t have dropped completely out of the AJC poll. But you know what? Region play in 1-AAAAA Will separate the real contenders and the pretenders!

By Clubhouse

October 2, 2007 1:26 AM | Link to this

Concerning the question about the gate… If you are a Dekalb County team, you get NO gate. ALL the money made from games goes back to the county. NO MONEY comes back to the schools. Not for regular season, not for playoffs, not for championships. So we play for the love of the game and not financial gain. I guess the county needs more money coming there so it won’t look so bad when they mishandle it, like Henderson did.

By kings eyes in the sky

October 2, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

To those who said MLK has not won a game, against a top 10 opponent. Let me remind you that our last year in AAA we went to Carrolton and won when they were number #1 in the state. Went to Peach County and won when they were number #2 in the state. Just a friendly reminder since you’ll seem to know so much about King. Oh yea and keep Stephenson at number one so when we win and we don’t move up we will know the real reason, Some things just wont change in the SOUTH HUH, Martin Luther King JR. High has proven that they playoff and state level ball every year. Check your History books or do we want to go back

By Andy

October 2, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this

WITH NO DISRESPECT TO STEPHENSON, WHAT’S HAPPENED IN 5A IS MOVEMENT AMONG THE FRONT-RUNNERS DUE TO THEIR STRONG PARITY. AJC HAS ELEVATED STEPHENSON WHEN IT HASN’T PLAYED AGAINST ANY OF THE FRONT-RUNNERS – NOR EVEN HAVE ANY OF THE TEAMS STEPHENSON HAS PLAYED BEEN MEANINGFULLY INVOLVED WITH THE FRONT-RUNNERS. IN ESSENCE, (GOOD, BAD, OR INDEIFFERNT), THERE IS JUSTIFICATION FOR MOVING STEPHENSON UP OR DOWN BASED ON THE OUTCOME OF GAMES TO DATE. THIS MERELELY ILLUSTRATES WHAT A SHAM AND A FRAUD THE AJC POLL IS.

By BAMAJET

October 2, 2007 8:47 AM | Link to this

I have been following Stephenson since the Reggie Ball days and in no way is this team the best team in that era but neither of those great teams reach # 1 in the poles either so i think we all should take our hats of to coach Gartrell and say great JOB. GO DEKALB CO *

By kings eyes the sky

October 2, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this

King 199 - Opponents 57.

By LOSER

October 2, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

STEPHENSON IS A GOOD TEAM….they earned their spot whether easy schedule or not; they played. USC plays a weak schedule every year.. THEY STILL ARE #1….go and beat them and we can talk….

By Todd Holcomb

October 2, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

The AP poll is out …

The AP Poll is the one to watch and rely on.

• HornetNation.

Highlights:

— Stephenson is No. 1.

— Harrison is NOT ranked.

— Peachtree Ridge got a first-place vote.

— Harrison is NOT ranked.

— Tift County remains ranked. (Nam: Sorry, that was probably a cheap shot I took at Tift, but I still don’t think the Devils should be ranked. But I’ve been premature to write them off.)

— MLK is No. 5. I got no problem w/ that. But I’m still waiting for a defining victory from the Lions.

— Harrison is NOT ranked.

— Athens Academy (3-1) is ranked No. 6 in Class A despite losing 31-14 to Fellowship Christian.

— Fellowship Christian (5-0) is NOT ranked in Class A despite beating Athens Academy 31-14.

— Harrison is NOT ranked.

— I was at the Harrison game last week and left with about 3 minutes to go. Did Marietta come back and win? Did I miss something?

I forgot, the AP poll is done by sportswriters, too. You’re all a bunch of slope-headed morons.

-HornetNation

Hard to argue with that. :)

By Todd Holcomb

October 2, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

AP poll —

Class AAAA

Stephenson (7) 113 (4-0) North Cobb (3) 101 (5-0) North Gwinnett (2) 100 (5-0) Peachtree Ridge (1) 78 (4-1) M.L. King 65 (5-0) Roswell 62 (4-1) Norcross 55 (4-1) Tift County 28 (3-1) Lowndes 27 (4-1) Walton 21 (4-10 Others receiving votes: Camden County, Harrison, Coffee, Brookwood, Valdosta, Grayson

Class AAAA

Northside-Warner Robins (12) 129 (5-0) Tucker (1) 117 (5-0) Thomas County Central 102 (5-0) Statesboro 76 (4-0) Baldwin 75 (3-0) Westside-Macon 59 (4-0) Rome 41 (4-0-1) East Paulding 32 (4-0) Cherokee 31 (4-0) St. Pius 19 (4-1) Others receiving votes: Mays, Northwest Whitfield, Fayette County, Cedar Shoals, Sequoyah, Habersham Central, Marist, Dalton, Evans

Class AAA

Carver-Columbus (10) 124 (4-0) LaGrange (2) 116 (5-0) Carrollton (1) 107 (4-0) Stephens County 86 (5-0) Cairo 69 (4-0) Hart County 52 (3-0-1) Flowery Branch 51 (5-0) North Hall 28 (4-0) Peach County 26 (3-1) Monroe-Albany 15 (4-1) Others receiving votes: Cass, Shaw, Carver-Atlanta, Chamblee, Cross Creek, Grady

Class AA

Buford (7) 124 (5-0) Charlton County (6) 121 (3-0) Fitzgerald 91 (4-0) Early County 86 (5-0) Calhoun 57 (4-1) Cook 45 (3-1) Greater Atlanta Christian 37 (4-1) Dodge County 33 (3-1) Dublin 32 (3-2) Jefferson County 21 (2-1-1) Laney 21 (4-0) Others receiving votes: Savannah Christian, Adairsville, Thomasville, Callaway, Crawford County, Jeff Davis, Darlington, Bleckley County, Fannin County

Class A

Lincoln County (12) 128 (4-0) Wilcox County (1) 114 (5-0) Emanuel County Institute 96 (5-0) Pacelli 76 (4-0) Dooly County 65 (5-0) Athens Academy 53 (3-1) Bremen 51 (5-0) Clinch County 39 (2-2) Seminole County 35 (3-1) Warren County 25 (3-1) Others receiving votes: Fellowship Christian, Schley County, Irwin County, Commerce, Hancock Central, Prince Avenue Christian

By allen

October 2, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

todd, maybe you should have made 2 separate blog topics instead of combining them, because there has been very little talk about the north hall / flowery branch game this weekend. i guess that if it doesn’t involve 5a teams then it doesn’t really mean anything to most of the people that visit this blog. now concerning the NH/FB game friday, who do you think will win? also, i think that it’s one of the 3 biggest games in AAA this year (along with LaGrange / Carver, Col. and Stephens Co. / Hart Co., dont u?

By Todd Holcomb

October 2, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Final comments before I’ve got to get some work done.

First, sorry that the AP poll came out so hard to read.

To those who said MLK has not won a game, against a top 10 opponent. Let me remind you that our last year in AAA we went to Carrolton and won when they were number #1 in the state.

Nobody said MLK hadn’t beaten a Top 10 team. Someone said that MLK hadn’t beaten a Top 10 team in AAAAA. Never. Also, no one said MLK couldn’t or wouldn’t beat a Top 10 AAAAA team at some point, but until it happens, I think being ranked in the middle of the Top 10 is premature.

King 199 - Opponents 57.

King 136 - Winless teams 33 King 49 - One-win teams 11 King 14 - Three-win teams 13

WHAT’S HAPPENED IN 5A IS MOVEMENT AMONG THE FRONT-RUNNERS DUE TO THEIR STRONG PARITY. AJC HAS ELEVATED STEPHENSON WHEN IT HASN’T PLAYED AGAINST ANY OF THE FRONT-RUNNERS – NOR EVEN HAVE ANY OF THE TEAMS STEPHENSON HAS PLAYED BEEN MEANINGFULLY INVOLVED WITH THE FRONT-RUNNERS. … THIS MERELELY ILLUSTRATES WHAT A SHAM AND A FRAUD THE AJC POLL IS.

Good point on the first part. Parity is what sets the shuffle in motion. … But as for Stephenson, well, I think I’ve explained that one about as well as I can. Good point by ‘Loser,’ who notes that Southern Cal hasn’t played the toughest schedule, either.

Sure was nice to see the AP validate me on Stephenson. Then again, Harrison is really NOT ranked?

By slalom1

October 2, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

To TODD and “Yo” I am now feeling the love. Guys, if either of you had read my Sept.28, 5:00 p.m. posting on “Todd’s Top 15”, you would have seen that I stated that “playing in region 1AAAAA would be considerably tougher”,and that “wins and state titles would probably be fewer.” Also went on to say that “We would win our fair share of games and titles.”. So, where is the argument, other than “Yo’s” contention that the smaller schools would not have a chance? My only position is to quote Todd’s response is stating that,”Great teams can come from small schools.” As for the accuracy of the GHSA enrollment figures, I compare their numbers against the local school board’s numbers both in the Troup County schools as well as in Muscogee County, and Harris County, each year, and they rarely ever balence. Do not know the reason for that, but would guess that the numbers of the GHSA might reflect the numbers from the previous year, or perhaps an estimated number for the forthcoming year. Rest assured, I will be looking into that.Therefore My Brother “Yo”, unless you are too narrow minded to accept the possibility that great teams can come from small schools, and that one of those small schools such as AAAA Ware County who whipped your beloved Lowndes team 28-7 in 2005, is capable of doing it again, we have no argument. Uh…for now.

By yo

October 2, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Slalom 1…I am well aware that smaller schools can beat bigger schools…to not think so would be to have my head in the sand. What I have a problem with is when a smaller school goes undefeated in a given year they suddenly think they are God’s gift to the state of Ga. for all classifications.

By Block

October 2, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

It’s amazing to me how all the northern AAAAA football fans are so eager to discredit Tift County for losing to Thomas County Central. Yes, we lost to a VERY GOOD football team form AAAA. I challenge any team in the state to play Thomas County Central and see what the outcome is. Tift County did not play their best game by far, but I’m not using that as an excuse for the loss, we just got beat. As soon everyone forgets that Tift won it’s region and went all the way to the Dome in the semi-finals before losing to a very good Roswell team. Don’t count Tift out yet!

By Paul

October 2, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

The best thing about these rankings are that we eventually get playoffs and a champion is named on the field. You do a great job Todd and everyone including myself will disagree. I know TCC beat Tift and I was impressed, but other than Northside, I don’t see any team in the state at 4A being more impressive than Tucker. I honestly think ML King has been extremely impressive on offense and should be higher but they haven’t really played any great teams yet either. and I also think Norcross and Roswell fell to far for one loss teams but that’s what happens when you lose. Honestly good job, Stephenson should be first this week but I think you can make a good case for either North Gwinnett who have been impressive in all phases (man coach Spire is a good coach) or North Cobb who I guess get a little shafted for being newcomers.

By warrior99

October 2, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

I just have one thing to say and that is that I beleive In division AAAA, Cherokee is a big sleeper. Granted we have not faced any legit opponets other than Stars MIll, but each win has been a sound beating. If anything, we are just as good as some of the teams getting more recognition than us. Please, feel free to comment on my post.

By george

October 2, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Northside is the best team in the state PERIOD. They will handle Westside by at least two touchdowns, probably more. This is a better Northside team than the one who won the state last year, and that’s saying something. The games won’t even be close until they reach the Dome.

By hsref

October 2, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Talking about the ap poll. I don’t know how these guys can not rank fellowship, and have athens ranked 6 after this last weekend. I did that game and Fellowship man handled athens.

Also, Tucker will win 4a this year and beat northside. I have never seen a team with so much speed in all areas like tucker has this year.

By Guys, It's the Wrong Poll

October 2, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

The people that are in the best position to rank teams are the coaches. Sports writers please stop publishing your poll and use the one done by people in the know….the coaches. You can access it via GaSports.com

By myron

October 2, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

look i play 4 redan,an honestly i feel we hav the strongest defense in the state,stephenson had problems on offense against luella,so wut do u think is gonna happen win think is gonna happen win redan plays stephenson,keep in mind, MLK only scored 14 points to our 13 points,an creekside scored in the last 16 seconds left in the game,to beat us its gonna take alot so the otha teams better be prepared bcuz we takin ova 1 week at a time,BELIEVE DAT

By Simsfamily

October 2, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

We’ve enjoyed your info. Seems like you have a little more info than the others that don’t give CASS any recognition. Be the first to jump on the Bandwagon. Don’t forget to check out CASS vs Carrollton! Don’t base it on the past! cya, Simsfamily

By Todd Holcomb

October 2, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

The people that are in the best position to rank teams are the coaches. Sports writers please stop publishing your poll and use the one done by people in the know….the coaches.

I don’t think that’s what you want.

Can someone please explain the coaches’ logic on the following:

CASE ONE

Laney is undefeated

Swainsboro is 4-1

Laney beat Swainsboro last week

Laney is unranked

Swainsboro is No. 8

CASE TWO

North Gwinnett (5-0) is No. 1

Roswell (4-1) is No. 5

Walton (4-1) lost to North Gwinnett

Walton (4-1) beat Roswell.

Walton is unranked.

CASE THREE

North Cobb (5-0) is No. 2

Lowndes (4-1) is No. 6

Harrison (4-1) lost to North Cobb 14-13

Harrison (4-1) beat Lowndes 9-0.

Harrison is No. 7 (behind Lowndes)

So if you want rankings that make sense, it looks like you guys are stuck with me. : )

By Allen

October 2, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

For those of you who care, the Coaches Poll came out today. Here it is: AAAAA 1 North Gwinnett(7-AAAAA) 5-0 3 2 North Cobb(5-AAAAA) 5-0 5 3 Stephenson(2-AAAAA) 4-0 4 4 M.L. King(2-AAAAA) 5-0 6 5 Roswell(6B-AAAAA) 4-1 7 6 Lowndes(1-AAAAA) 4-1 — 7 Harrison(5-AAAAA) 4-1 10 8 Norcross(7-AAAAA) 4-1 1 9 Peachtree Ridge(7-AAAAA) 4-1 — 10 Berkmar(8-AAAAA) 4-0 —

AAAA 1 Northside, Warner Robins(4B-AAAA) 5-0
2 Tucker(6-AAAA) 5-0 3 Thomas County Central(1-AAAA) 5-0
4 Westside, Macon(4B-AAAA) 4-0
5 Statesboro(3-AAAA) 4-0 6 Cherokee(5-AAAA) 4-0
7 Baldwin(4B-AAAA) 3-0
8 Rome(7-AAAA) 4-0-1
9 Fayette County(2-AAAA) 5-0
10 Griffin(4A-AAAA) 4-1 —

AAA 1 LaGrange(2-AAA) 5-0 1 2 Carrollton(6-AAA) 4-0 3 3 Carver, Columbus(2-AAA) 4-0 2 4 Stephens County(8-AAA) 5-0 5 5 North Hall(7A-AAA) 4-0 7 6 Cairo(1-AAA) 4-0 4 7 Flowery Branch(7B-AAA) 5-0 8 8 Peach County(4B-AAA) 3-1 9 9 Cass(6-AAA) 3-0 — 10 Hart County(8-AAA) 3-0-1 —

AA 1 Buford(6B-AA) 5-0 1 2 Charlton County(2-AA) 3-0 2 3 Fitzgerald(1-AA) 4-0 4 4 Early County(1-AA) 5-0 6 5 Greater Atlanta Christian(6B-AA) 4-1 3 6 Calhoun(7B-AA) 4-1 9 7 Dublin(4-AA) 3-2 10 8 Swainsboro(3-AA) 3-1 8 9 Dodge County(4-AA) 3-1 5 10 Callaway(5-AA) 4-0 —

A 1 Lincoln County(7-A) 4-0 1 2 Emanuel County Institute(3-A) 5-0
3 Wilcox County(2A-A) 5-0 4 4 Bremen(6-A) 5-0 7 5 Clinch County(1-A) 2-2 8 6 Dooly County(2A-A) 5-0 9 7 Pacelli(4-A) 4-0 6 8 Fellowship Christian(5-A) 5-0 — 9 Athens Academy(8-A) 3-1 3 10 Brookstone(4-A) 3-1 10

I have always taken the coaches the most serious,(no disrespect intended Todd) because I have always thought that the coaches were always less biased about where other teams were ranked (not including their own).

By Allen

October 2, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

Another game to watch in AAA this weekis Carrolton Vs. Cass. Most people would think that this will be a blowout by Carrolton, But i think that it will be a close game that could go either way, if Cass is as improved as they are reported to be. I do know that they just hammered Cartersville 34-7.

By slalom1

October 2, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

To “Yo” I have no idea who you may be referring to regarding your comment about smaller schools going undefeated. I believe that most reasonable high school football fans understand that a AAAAA schedule represents a tougher road to the BIG prize. In particular, once they are in the state play-offs. However, there are some regions in the state regardless of classification, that are simply tougher than others. Region 1AAAAA is an example of the best, period. Region 8AAAAA is another. Take a look at Region 4AAAA. Mighty tough, year in and year out. Also, Region 2AAA. In my humble(?) opinion, these 4 regions represent the best of the state. 4AAAA speaks for itself. Region 2AAA consists of 11 schools who with the exception of LaGrange were all members of a AAAA or AAAAA region until 2004. Shaw led the way, going 40-0 in regular season play from 2000-2003, along with a state AAAA title in 2000. Since LaGrange joined the region in 2004, Shaw has not had an undefeated season. Just for fun, I have devised a hypothetical region which includes Lowndes. We can call it Region 9X. This region will include NO AAAAA schools, and will remain in tact for 5 years. Here are the members: 1-Lowndes 2-Carrollton 3-Northside WR 4-Thomas Co. Cen. 5-Shaw 6-LaGrange 7-Peach Co. 8-Carver of Columbus 9-Griffin 10-Marist 11-Buford Okay, here is the scenario: Lowndes plays each team in Region 9X for 5 years running. Are they better off in 1AAAAA, or in Region 9X?

By slalom1

October 2, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

To: Todd Holcomb I plead “Guilty, Your honor”. My info regarding school enrollment in the 1991 season was based upon a local print media, whom I contacted today for an explanation. Based upon what I was told, there was a “typo” error. The article should have referred to 1997, not 1991. However, this enrollment issue has made me curious. Would it be asking too much to share your source of info with me? As you are aware, I am somewhat dogmatic, and would love to do some additional research.

By Todd Holcomb

October 2, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

The GHSA recently put all of its yearbooks online, back to the 1930s. Enrollment figures didn’t appear until perhaps the 1980s, don’t know exactly when. Perhaps in the ’70s.

Find them here under GHSA Constitutions from Prior Years:

http://www.ghsa.net/?q=node/757

By DemonFan

October 2, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

Along the same logic used by other people…Northside-WR beat Houston County and WRHS last year by double digits. WRHS lost in the AAAAA semi-finals, and HoCo in the quarter-finals (I think). WRHS beat Camden County and Norcross in the playoffs. I’m almost positive HoCo beat MLK. The Eagles didn’t lose a lot of boys last year. NHS deserves to be #1 in the state until defeated.

DISCLAIMERI’m not implying NHS could beat MLK, Norcross, or Camden County this year. I’m applying same logic used in previous posts.

I think last year’s team (NHS) was much better than the current team. The AAAA teams are much tougher this year than last. The Baldwin-Westside game (Thursday) is one to watch. These teams may give NHS a run for their money. Coach Robert Davis (former WRHS AD) is quite familiar with NHS. I won’t say the region is always tough because it’s not. This year it is almost the toughest in the state.

To all the AAAAA snobs…not much seperates large AAAA schools from small AAAAA schools.

By Eaglefan

October 2, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this

I’m here to examine this Tucker hype.Granted they’re 5-0 and hadn’t been scored on.But I think we need to take a look at things before some of you dish out the AAAA crown.Namely the region that these routs have taken place.I’d have to say the wins over Marist and Pius might not turn out to be that great at all.both teams struggled with 1-4 Washington.and looking at the weeks ahead I dont think any team left for them to play will score either,maybe Mays?I hear about the team speed.I don’t know ,i haven’t seen Tucker play.If they’ve got more speed than Nside -WR defense and Running backs or Westside -Macon”s recievers and Defense throw TCC and Baldwin in the mix then we’re in for one heck of a AAAA run for the crown .So Tucker Fans until you guys play one of these teams or a few others hold tour commets til the playoffs

By blackdiamund

October 2, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

slalom1 Are you the guy who said he was recruited by several major D-1 football programs, but chose Indiana instead. You were injured before your freshman season which is why your name does not appear on any Indiana U. ahtletic documents

By Guru

October 2, 2007 7:30 PM | Link to this

Everybody wants to be #1. The Coaches, the players, the parents, and the fans. I don’t care what the situation is you stride to be #1. Who wants to be #2 or #3? Give me a break, if you are sitting at #2, you are wishing somebody knocks off the #1 team. Being ranked #1 in the pre-season as well as in season has its advantages and disadvantages. I think its easier for a coach to get his team ready to play when you are ranked #1. Even if it is more pressure to go out and perform on a weekly basis, you can not down play the fact that every kid on that team knows they are #1. On the flip side, you have a bulls-eye on your jersey, and EVERY team is going to bing their “A” game to try & knock you off. If you are a program that has not been ranked #1 before then the chances are they will get knocked off but if you have had success and know what it takes to have that title, then I think those teams stride under those type of situations.

By blackdiamund

October 2, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this

MLK’s 5 opponents this year are a combined 4 wins and 18 losses. Are you kidding me? The weakest region in AAAAA.

By Eaglefan

October 2, 2007 7:52 PM | Link to this

Good point Demonfan,Although i disagree with you about this year”s NHS team .I feel the Offense is Much better,because of the younger kids seeing more playing time.The defense is not the defense of last year but getting more fierce with each game,still they’ve only given up 2 TD”s.You are correct about Westside as well.I went to the Westside/upson-Lee game last week and this Westside team is scary.I think the GHSA game of the year will be the Nside/Westside game Nov 2nd.If you Atl area guys wanna see lightning fast football,take the 1.5 hour trip down I-75

By slalom1

October 2, 2007 8:01 PM | Link to this

To “Black diamond” He, he, he….. NO, I am NOT the person you referred to. I was not recruited by any major college team, period. But, if given the chance I could have possibly spanked any D-1 recruit in the 40 yd. dash. Actually raced Herschal Walker once in the 100 meters. Lost, but got a good look at his elbows.

By yo

October 2, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this

From one of those accused of being AAAAA snobs I agree with you Demon Fan when you say To all the AAAAA snobs…not much seperates large AAAA schools from small AAAAA schools.
However your statement implies that AAAAA is still better overall than AAAA to which I will have to agree with you. If speaking the truth makes one a snob then I suppose you just included yourself.

By yo

October 2, 2007 11:12 PM | Link to this

Slalom 1…the only one in your hypothetical that would scare me year in and year out would be Northside Warner. I think we are agreeing to disagree here. Or disagreeing to agree (I’m not sure of which). Obviously when you take the best of AAAA and AAA they can compete with any one on any given night. Especially Northside Warner who has a 5 and 1 won-loss record going way back against Lowndes. With Lowndes winning the last match up. That was when they were both in AAAA. I would say to you Lowndes has grown significantly in population since 1999 and has improved as a football team. In 2004 all 3 of the state champions of the 3 largest classifications were staking their claim as being the best in the state. Personally for me, I don’t think any team in the state of Ga. (save Parkview-who Lowndes had to go into their back yard and beat at a time when they were unbeatable at their home field) could stay on the field with Lowndes in the year of 2004. Or 2005 once the Ware Co. debacle was over and the boys got their eyes back on the goal. Again proof that on any given night when an inferior team plays its best game of the season and you play your worst you can get beat. See Harrison/Lowndes this year (Lowndes 7 bobbled center/qback exchanges, 2 running back fumbles and 2 interceptions).
I would say to you that Lowndes does play a schedule as good as your 9X region now. 1AAAAA (HoCo., Tift, Valdosta, Coffee, Colquit, Warner Robins) Central Gwinnett, Harrison, Ware Co., Eagles Landing (the only notorious patsy on the list). This year HoCo., Warner, and Colquit are down yet I still don’t see Northside beating them 42-0. Which might signify how tough it would be if Northside had to play our schedule every year (and me thinks they will be soon except with us on it). I’m also thinking that once Northside moves up to 1AAAAA this Northside best in the state on a yearly basis is going to slow down quite a bit. In 2004 and 2005 Lowndes did not just beat these teams (save Parkview in 2004 and Ware 2005) they trounced them. These are teams recognized as serious contenders in AAAAA. This does not include the trouncing Lowndes threw on all of the playoff teams in both years except the Parkview game (14 out of 15 trouncings is pretty serious stuff). So I suppose I’ll turn the tables on you a little and ask you how well do you think any of the 9X region would fare against Lowndes schedule this year? Then add the AAAAA playoff teams of which there will be 5 (I’m assuming Lowndes will be in the Dome of course :-)) Do you really think any of the 9X teams could get through this with 0 to 1 loss? Northside didn’t exactly trounce 2 of the worst teams in 1AAAAA this year. Beat them good yes, but not the best team in Ga. kind of scores in my mind. Then again, maybe Northside just had a bad night and still won. ????????????????????????

By slalom1

October 3, 2007 6:03 AM | Link to this

To “Yo” As far as this season goes, I believe 9X might be quite a bit tougher than 1AAAAA. As you pointed out, Colquit, Houston, and Warner Robins are somewhat down. Tift has already been spanked by one member of 9X, and the jury is still out on Valdosta and Coffee. With the exception of Shaw, none of the 9X members have yet to lose. Shaw having lost to Carver, who may have the top QB-WR combo in the state.(Both have already committed to Auburn). But, the question was “year in and year out for 5 years”. In the real world, where there is no Region 9X, I still believe that 1AAAAA would be the biggest challenge year in and year out. But in the hypothetical world of 9X, I see teams who are more consistent from top to bottom, year in and year out. Granted, Carver is a newcomer to the non-AAAAA elite. But with Coach Dell McGee, I believe they are here to stay for quite a while. As for me, I am not sure, just interesting fodder. Also makes me go…..”hmmmmmmm”.

By slalom1

October 3, 2007 6:09 AM | Link to this

T “”Yo” Regarding losses this year, add Peach County and Marist to the 9X teams who have lost this year.

By james

October 3, 2007 6:13 AM | Link to this

Tood i have one question why last week would you rank north cobb the 5th best team in the all class rankings and stephenson 8th but this week put stephenson #1

By james

October 3, 2007 6:17 AM | Link to this

Tood I have won question? Why would you last week put noth cobb ranked 5th in the all class ranking and stephenson 8th but this week put stephenson ahead of north cobb

By noneya

October 3, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

Who cares who’s No. 1 in October? It really doesn’t matter. Why not make ALL the Atlanta area teams number one?

By tracman

October 3, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

To “Yo” and any other Norhtside WR detractors- You say because Northside didn’t run the score up on Warner Robins and Houston County that they aren’t the best in the state? First of all, that is an ignorant argument. 34-7 and 30-0 are statement wins against cross-town rivals. Those teams are members of Georgia’s once toughest region 1-AAAAA (no longer the toughest, thanks to Gwinnett Co.). Coach Nix has been pulling his best players early, to try to keep them healthy for later, let the backups get good game experience, and to not totally embarrass the opponents. They could have score 40 plus against Houston had they wanted to. Against their other opponents, into the 50’s and 60’s.

Northside plays in the toughest region in AAAA, with Westside and Baldwin in their half of Region 4. If they struggle against those teams, I’ll listen to your argument. Otherwise, watch them play and give them their props. Again, the national experts all agree Northside is by far the best in Georgia, any classification, and a top 10 team in the country.

By spartans

October 3, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

NORTH COBB.. UPSET ALERT CAMPBELL”S DEFENSE CAN RUN WITH YOU!! IF CAMPBELL SCORES 21, WHICH CAN BE HARD TO DO, BUT IF THEY DO THEY KNOCK OFF N.COBB

By DavifC

October 3, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

DirtDobber if you can read the comment was that Stephenson has done nothing to dispute not being ranked #1.

By Demon Fan

October 3, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Yo, if that’s the way you’d like to interpret the statement, then fine. However, I think a good team is just that regardless of classification.

By Todd Holcomb

October 3, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

Tood i have one question why last week would you rank north cobb the 5th best team in the all class rankings and stephenson 8th but this week put stephenson #1

For those all-class rankings, which were essentially done off the top of my head, I based it more on signature wins this season. For the class rankings, I have a different philosophy. For those, Stephenson was No. 3 and North Cobb No. 4 last week.

To Slalom

Just a note on those LaGrange attendance figures. The 1991 numbers include grades 10-12. Starting in 1998, the GHSA began using grades 9-12 to classify, if not mistaken.

You might find this post on the GHSFHA site helpful:

http://ghsfha.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=2200&hl=

By Demon Fan

October 3, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

Thanks EagleFan! I believe in giving credit where it is due…even if it is to our crosstown rivals. I must admit, it’s tough for me. I am a 1992 graduate, so becoming accustomed to NHS handing it to us on a platter YEARLY is tough for me. I’m just happy a team from WR is on top.

The only reason I think last year’s Eagle team is better is the defense. Deonta Jordan was a little beast. Plus, add Jacobi (sp) Rodriguez back into the offensive mix, and NHS is unstoppable.

I’d love to see the WRHS-NHS game played at the end of the season like days old. I love the cold weather factor. Plus, WRHS doesn’t get their legs under them until mid-season.

I currently live in the Atlanta area, but as long as I live I will cheer the original two teams from Warner Robins. I’m at the WRHS-NHS game every year, and attend all Saturday WRHS games.

Yo, I’m a Warner Robins, GA football snob…believe that! Who is your team?

By Gwinnett Dad

October 3, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

Stephenson has traditionally had some wonderful athletes and a great deal of talent, but they fold once playoffs come around. Why is that? Could a quality champion team require discipline rather than show boats and hot dogs? Don’t the winners keep their helmets on after making a good play? Maybe real winning requires keeping concentration and focus rather than to show attitude? I haven’t seen Stephenson this year, so maybe they’ve learned from their playoff losing past. If not, Stephenson will simply lose early in the playoffs once more. The other team will want to win more than Stephenson because they will play like a team. The winners will stay more disciplined and won’t dream of their press clippings during the game. But, I could be wrong. Maybe this year, Stephenson will finally play smart and not let their mouths run wild while losing their focus.

By yo

October 3, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

Demon Fan…I feel your pain…at least last year I did…Lowndes…did not say Nside was not a good team…please reread…just making a possible point.?????…all conjecture don’t you think?

By Reggie

October 3, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

I’m not going to get on here a mess talk but don’t be suprised if MlK come out with a lost on friday. We douglass don’t have any one stand out as we have in the past but we have learned to play together no we haven’t played anybody worth watching but neither has stephonson or mlk. Its just the beginning and everyone knows before MLK came along it was always between Douglass and Stephonson in 2-AAAAA and when it was 7-AAAAA nothing has cahanged we shot ourselves in the foot in the loss to westlake we took our bye and are strong. Applaude goes to stephonson’s defense and MLK’s team but do not take Doulass lightly we don’t care about the rankings in do time it will be noticed.

By Raider Fan !!!

October 3, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

By warrior99

October 2, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

I just have one thing to say and that is that I beleive In division AAAA, Cherokee is a big sleeper. Granted we have not faced any legit opponets other than Stars MIll, but each win has been a sound beating. If anything, we are just as good as some of the teams getting more recognition than us. Please, feel free to comment on my post

**Don’t worry about being “tested” warrior 99 Cherokee has to play East Paulding in 4 weeks and at that point East Paulding will be 7 & 0…if by some fate Cherokee keeps winning they also will be 7 & 0 at that point…hmmm maybe that game would get a bit of AJC print then!!!..GO RAIDERS!!!!

By slalom1

October 3, 2007 7:46 PM | Link to this

To “Tracman” You make good sense. However, do not expect any of the AAAAA “class snobs” to even listen, much less comprehend. In their private world, they are all that matters. In the words of Cervantes, “So learned, yet so misinformed.” Personally, I am very proud of the state and national recognition that Northside has EARNED.

By slalom1

October 3, 2007 8:28 PM | Link to this

To: Todd Holcomb, “Yo” and anyone else who cares…… I am getting dizzy with all of this “student enrollment” poop. Do the band members play the game? How about the cheerleaders? The soccer players? Drama club? As I have stated before, it is not about the student enrollment, it is about the roster. “Smaller schools do not have the enrollment to compete with the AAAAA schools.” This has been a reacurring theme among the AAAAA elite. So, here goes: The 2007 roster for Lowndes includes 72 players. 26 are sophmores. 9 players are listed at 6’2 or better. The 2007 roster for LaGrange includes 85 players, with 27 sophmores. And, 15 players between 6’2 -6’4. Now, tell me where the enrollment advantage is for Lowndes? (Oh, these numbers come from the Lowndes home page, and the LaGrange home page.) Did I forget to mention the number of D-1 recruits at LHS ?

By slalom1

October 3, 2007 8:51 PM | Link to this

To “Yo” Are we having fun yet?!!! Here is another one that you may get a good kick out of: The Lowndes roster lists 25 players at 200 lbs. or better. Oddly, 9 of those players are listed at exactly 200 lbs.!? In the 190 - 200 pound category, they only list 3 players. How odd!? The Grangers list 14 players over 200 lbs., but 10 players between 190-198 lbs. Very strange. Straight up, your Lowndes roster looks much weaker than many of AAA’s top teams. But, you have a LARGE enrollment. I guess that counts. (Might consider dressing out the Spanish Club).

By slalom1

October 3, 2007 9:06 PM | Link to this

To: Todd and “Yo” Once again, I must correct my numbers. The current Lowndes roster lists 12 players over 6’1. The current LaGrange roster lists 16 players over 6’1. Still looking for that “enrollment advantage”.

By slalom1

October 3, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this

To “Yo” Getting a HUGE kick out of all of the Lowndes “stuff”. 2,741 students!!! Cheese and crackers!! What is everyone doing in Lowndes County these days? Watching MMA? You have a roster which is smaller than some AA schools. Bet those little guys are fast, though. No wonder the “Guys from the north” are doing so well. There was a time when Valdosta, Ga. set the water mark for what high school football was about. Now, I doubt it.

By DemonFan

October 3, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

Yo, my only comment directed towards you was the snob part.

I believe you think NHS is a good team, as do I. However, our paths diverge at this point because I think they are the best team until someone beats them. I’m finished beating that dead horse…until next week.

On another note, I think we host Lowndes this year. I may check that game out.

By yo

October 3, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this

Slalom 1..concerning your big boys & Div 1 only…make great teams…now compare the size of Brookwood/Lowndes of 2005. Lowndes/Coffee of 2007. Lowndes/C. Gwinnett of 2007. Lowndes/Parkview of 2004. Let me ask you what team would you rather have? A team made up of 8 Div 1 ball players and every body else or a team with 2 or 3 Div 1 ball players and the rest of the team playing Div 2-3 ball. It is not just the Div 1 ballplayers that make up a great team. They just give fans bragging rights and feel goods. What makes a great team is the depth of very good ballplayers a team has below their Div 1 ballplayers. See Valdosta through out the ages. See Valdosta/Lincoln,Tallahasee 2007. According to your standards Lincoln should have kicked Valdosta all over the field. When it is ultimately all said and done the lost equation in all of these blogs is teamwork, trust in your other teammate to do his job, leadership, and determination. Quite often the Div 1 sorts don’t have these going for them. And yes….speed kills…and Lowndes is faster this year than ever. The only one stopping Lowndes on offense is Lowndes.

By yo

October 3, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

DemonFan I don’t doubt NHS may be the best team in the state. I was just making a point using them as my point. Ultimately I suppose it is too bad and we will never know who the real best team in the state is. Also, the best team in the state now is not necessarily the best team in the state after 15 games have been played. For now, I really can’t argue NHS (even though for the fun of it I have been) but by the end of the season who knows?

By yo

October 3, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this

Slalom 1…if you have 2000 boys to pick a team from compared to 1000 boys, does it not make sense that your chances are better to have more overall quality athletes to choose from? Especially when trying to make up a team of 75 boys? Lets look at it another way…what if Lowndes/Valdosta was made up of one team and they had both schools to pick their team from? What if Brookwood/Parkview were made up of one team and they had both schools to pick their team from? What if Northside Warner/ Warner Robins/ Houston Co. were made up of 1 team and they had all 3 of these schools to pick their team from? Lets call these Super schools. Do you think the teams of these new Super schools would be better than each one of these schools are individually now? Assuming the best coach of each of these schools coached the new super school, whoever the best coach is.

By slalom1

October 3, 2007 11:17 PM | Link to this

To “Yo” Good effort. But, that is not the real world, anymore than region 9X. The facts are the facts. Your Lowndes team is not as deep as AAA LaGrange, (even with a student body of 2,741 students!) By your flawed reasoning, if the Lowndes enrollment was cut in half, your football roster would not even compete with the lower tier of AA and AAA teams. I agree that size counts. I would love to pick an all-star team from LaGrange, Troup, and Callaway. But, as is the case with your scenario, that is not the real world. Your position is that NO AAA team can match the depth of the upper tier teams in AAAAA. As you like to say, “Get real.” I have shown you a great example of one school who can. Again, did I fail to mention the D-1 players on the LHS roster? Just one other little tidbit…Your school has twice the student body of LHS, and a smaller roster. “Your Honor, I rest my case.”

By slalom1

October 3, 2007 11:49 PM | Link to this

To “Yo” Everytime you speak of “team work” and not refer to “student enrollment”, you are reinforcing my point. You are absolutely correct. Very few high school athletes will ever play the game at a higher level. The high school game IS more about coaching-up the high school athlete who will never play college ball, than it is about D-1 players. Although, having the D-1 players most definitely helps. However, this myth regarding roster depth is simply that. The top programs in AAA and AAAA can absolutely match the depth of the top programs in AAAAA.I believe even you can see that from the depth charts of LaGrange and Lowndes. (Do not mean to slight the A and AA programs. Just do not know enough about them to render an opinion.) Another huge factor in high school football is the number of position coaches.(I will follow up on that as well, using the Lowndes Vs. LaGrange comparison.) You know,…….I am starting to really like the Region 9X idea.

By yo

October 4, 2007 12:41 AM | Link to this

Slalom 1…Are you talking about the 9X “get in the real world” idea like you called the super schools idea? I suppose the “real world” is the world “you” choose to live in. The point I made of the Super Schools put you away like Lowndes would Lagrange. You have made a lot of good valid points over all.
Slalom 1…#’s of players on a team does not constitute depth. Nor does size of the players. What constitutes depth is the dropoff of starter to replacement. The ability to keep players fresh. The ability to replace injured players without much drop off in performance. The more kids you have to choose from the more your possibilities of having a higher quality of football players. That is just common sense and pretty basic math. Obviously when you throw in the other factors of coaching, community support, etc. that has an enormous impact on the quality of a football team, maybe more so than the numbers to choose from. You would have a hard time convincing me that your coach in your community would not have a better football team if he had another 1000 people in Lagrange student body to choose from.
If what you are saying is true then cut your school enrollment in half and take half the football team with it and then see how well you do in even AAA. Yes I believe in any given year LaGrange could beat Lowndes. I have that much respect for Lagrange. Even if they were not better than Lowndes there are still a such thing in sports as upsets. Also, it is hard for a team to stay on top every year (see Lowndes last year). However, as a whole (in other words a vast majority of the time) the champion of the AAAAA schools will be better than the champion of AAAA or AAA. I should take the time to point out at this moment that “the vast majority of the time” does not mean “all of the time”. ps-I am sure Lowndes would welcome Lagrange in a matchup one year…get your guys to call us and see if Lowndes is willing. You seem so convinced.

By 89viking

October 4, 2007 7:53 AM | Link to this

first thing,,,polls make no difference in who plays for the state championship so who cares,,,i’d rather someone else have the bullseye on their back anyways. i just wanna be #1 at the END of the football season. as far as lagrange,tcc and smaller schools go, yes,,i do believe they can compete and win some games against some every good 5A teams. to me the only big difference is when it comes to depth. this is how valdosta won for many years, they were so deep with players they could send in their #4 rb and he could beat you to death as well as the #1 rb. again,,,only my opinion but the top 22 players on any team could compete aginst most schools, where they may lose the game comes in the depth dept. as far as the “well call our coach and schedule”, we all know it doesnt happen like that. first, we all have schedule that are commited for a couple of years. lets say lagrange played lowndes in 2 years, lowndes wins bc lagrange doesnt have the players, then what? its a “i told you so”, and if lowndes loses bc we may be rebuilding, its a “i told you so”. either way, until they take the stae champ from each class and play for a ultimate state champ ( not a bad idea? it’d put a end to the “my tema is beter than your team” argument) lagrange (or anyone else) wouldnt be able to say “but my team could beat yours.

By viking lover

October 4, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

I am wondering how this blog turned into a La Grange bashing of Lowndes? I thought we were talking about 5A football and who should be ranked #1. As for La Grange being able to win a State Championship at the highest level, we will never know unless they are willing to jump up into the refining fires of 5A football. I believe Valdosta is considered a 4A size school, but they choose to compete at the highest level. Maybe La Grange could do the same and we could actually find out how good they really are. As for the Lowndes bashing, anyone who has seen these “small kids” play knows that size has never made Lowndes the program that it is. These kids love to play football and love to win. Coach Mac is a great field general and knows what to do with the kids he has to work with. We never have any Div.1 prospects and very few make it even in the lower levels of college.Even in last years rebuilding year we had a winning season of 6-4. This doesn’t sound like a formula for winning football teams year in and year out, but here we are again improving every week and making believers out of opposing teams and coaches, not to mention people around the state. People can fantasize all they want about who could beat who, I’ll just show up on Friday nights and watch the “little” Vikings pillage all the so called powerhouse teams in the state.

By sam

October 4, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this

Bold: If the New England Patriots had played Banneker, McNair, Towers and Luella, would North Cobb be better than the Patriots? Sometimes the better team plays the weaker schedule.

If the New England Patriots were to play Banneker, McNair, Towers and Luella, I would expect scores in the triple digits. This would give the Patriots a much higher differential than the Warriors, making them better. A tougher schedule does not make North Cobb better than Stephenson, the combination of a tougher schedule and a higher differential does.

North Cobb’s differential is 127. (according to GaSports.com

GaSports Reports Stephenson’s differential as 110.

This proves that North Cobb has performed better against a tougher schedule, which they probably could not do against the New England Patriots.

By sam

October 4, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this

Bold: If the New England Patriots had played Banneker, McNair, Towers and Luella, would North Cobb be better than the Patriots? Sometimes the better team plays the weaker schedule.

If the New England Patriots were to play Banneker, McNair, Towers and Luella, I would expect scores in the triple digits. This would give the Patriots a much higher differential than the Warriors, making them better. A tougher schedule does not make North Cobb better than Stephenson, the combination of a tougher schedule and a higher differential does.

North Cobb’s differential is 127. (according to GaSports.com

GaSports Reports Stephenson’s differential as 110.

This proves that North Cobb has performed better against a tougher schedule, which they probably could not do against the New England Patriots.

By joe INFOMED

October 4, 2007 8:21 PM | Link to this

A SAM LET IT GO U STILL ARE # 2222222! IT WILL NOT CHANGE. U CAN GIVE ALL THE FACTS BUT STILL U WILL BE # 2222222222!! AN I NO U GUYS ARE HAVING A GOOD SEASON “SO FAR” BUT THAT TEAM AINT THAT DAM GOOD SO UNTIL U WIN STATE STOP BLOGING. AN LOOK IF THEY ARE SO GOOD THEN Y DOES MORE D-1 PLAYERS COME OUT OF THAT SCHOOL U ARE BETTER THAN.U NO THE ONE THEY CALL STEPHENSON.GO JAGS.

By joe INFOMED

October 4, 2007 8:21 PM | Link to this

A SAM LET IT GO U STILL ARE # 2222222! IT WILL NOT CHANGE. U CAN GIVE ALL THE FACTS BUT STILL U WILL BE # 2222222222!! AN I NO U GUYS ARE HAVING A GOOD SEASON “SO FAR” BUT THAT TEAM AINT THAT DAM GOOD SO UNTIL U WIN STATE STOP BLOGING. AN LOOK IF THEY ARE SO GOOD THEN Y DOES MORE D-1 PLAYERS COME OUT OF THAT SCHOOL U ARE BETTER THAN.U NO THE ONE THEY CALL STEPHENSON.GO JAGS.

By sam

October 4, 2007 8:29 PM | Link to this

Joe informed. You are not informed. Please get back to me when you are in high school. This is not a forum for young children or those who behave as such.

By slalom1

October 4, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this

To “Viking Lover, and “89 Viking”: I apologize if my postings seem to “bash” Lowndes. That was not my intent. I was simply responding to the comments made by a Lowndes fan who goes by the name of “Yo”. Even though it seems that we have now found some common ground, it all started with AAA bashing. i.e “AAA schools do not have the depth to compete week to week with the BIG AAAAA schools.” My only objective has been to point out that many of the upper tier AAA schools have rosters that are not only as deep as their AAAAA counterparts, but in some cases, even deeper. This is where the LaGrange vs. Lowndes comparison started. Lowndes is quite obviously one of Georgia’s elite programs. Through the years, not only has Valdosta, Ga. brought pride to their city and county, but have also given all of Georgia something to be proud of. This LaGrange vs. Lowndes thing that has transpired is in reality not at all about drawing comparisons between the 2 schools. It is about giving respect to some of the successful “non-AAAAA” schools such as Carrollton, Peach County, Shaw, LaGrange, Carver of Columbus, Northside WR, Thomas County,Marist,Buford, Charlton Co., etc. I am certain that I have left out some others that should be included in the “non-AAAAA” category. Regardless, I meant no disrespect to Lowndes.

By slalom1

October 4, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this

To: All Georgia High School Football Lovers….. There was recently a post on this blog downgrading Georgia High School football in general. The author stated emphatically that Georgia’s best teams could not even compete with the best teams in Texas. Personally, I do not concur. However, this is an opportunity for the AAAAA elites in Georgia to stand up and make their case for why this is not true. But, before doing so, consider the fact that some of the teams in Texas have student enrollments which exceed 6,000.

By viking lover

October 4, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

Slalom 1, I understand what you are saying, unfortunately for the smaller schools they will probably never get the attention they deserve because 5A seems to be where all the marbles are. Therefore La Grange will probably not get the kudos they seek from the fans of 5A football. No doubt you have a great football team in the Grangers. Example… our local Div 2 Valdosta State Blazers won the National Championship in 2004. Most football fans could tell you who claimed the Div 1 title that year, but how many would even know that Valdosta State existed? Good Luck to you and your team.

By slalom1

October 4, 2007 11:49 PM | Link to this

To “Yo” Going back to your Oct. 3, 2007 post regarding D-1 players, and how they (to paraphrase “do not necessarily help a team”.) Again, you speak out of both sides of your mouth. On the one hand, size counts. On the other hand, when a smaller school clearly has a larger roster, size does NOT count. Now neither do D-1 players,(playing for a smaller school). Getting back to your “bigger is always better philosophy”, and the best talent comes from the bigger schools, I suppose that you would have to agree that the Texas schools with enrollments of 6,000 or better would year in and year out, make waste of Georgia’s best. Right? If not, please explain. As for the D-1 players, I suppose that should my team start 22 D-1 players, and your team starts 22 non D-1 players, your team would win….. provided that they were well coached , came from a large student body, and played well as a team. Right? “Yo”, your team loyalty is admirable, but you are blinded by reality. All of this started with your bashing the 2004 Grangers, and your conviction that they would have been dogmeat for Lowndes that same year. You stand alone on that one issue, my brother. Virtually every major sports writer and head coach in the state of Georgia, as well as in the nation agreed that the Grangers were “hands down the best in the state,” in 2004. Do not forget that the final national polls by Rivals.com in 2004 had LaGrange #9 and Lowndes #12.

By slalom1

October 4, 2007 11:59 PM | Link to this

To “Viking lover” Appreciate the kind words, and the wisdom spoken. You are also right about Valdosta State. I did happen to be one of the few who took notice. Did you not just go bonkers over the App State win over Michigan?! I did. Players play the game, fans cheer. That is it. Hope that the Blazers do well with their new coach. And, good luck with Lowndes this season.

By DARTDAWG

October 5, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this

POLLS ARE FOR TALK. THE REAL SEASON STARTS AT PLAYOFF TIME(WHEN IT COMES TO PROVING WHO’S THE BEST). AS FOR AAAAA V/S THE REST, EVERY SO OFTEN THERE IS A TEAM IN THE LOWER CLASSES THAT COULD PLAY WITH ANYBODY IN THE STATE. BUT AS FOR WINNING THOSE GAMES IS JUST A THEORY. IVE SEEN VERY GOOD 5A TEAMS GET DRILLED IN THE FIRST ROUND. I JUST THINK 5A IS A DIFF.LEVEL. SO MANY KIDS AND SO MANY ATHLETES. LAST YEAR E.PAULDING WAS LACKING ON RESPECT FOR A WHILE. THERE IS ANOTHER DARK HORSE THIS YEAR AND IT IS NW WHITFIELD IN AAAA. WAIT AND SEE.

By yo

October 5, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Slalom 1 I place very little emphasis on national polls. Lowndes was preseason ranked #4 in the so called national polls of 2005 and a lot of good it did them against Ware. Any way I was not bashing Lagrange just stating I believe Lowndes was a better football team. You seemed to take that personal but I suppose that doesn’t qualify as blind loyalty. This conversation has been a lot of fun and can be debated forever. The answer is have Lagrange hook up with Lowndes on a yearly basis when the schedules allow in the future and then lets see. In the meantime, I am now having way to much fun annoying the state of Texas on another post.

By joe INFOMED

October 5, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

texas thats funny becuzes i dont see your logic in sayin that texas has better TEAMS, becuzes the way to prove that is to play teams from texas. well i think GA has one of the best football state’s in the U.S.A. U can’t take anything from texas but to make such a broad statment is stupid. those boy from TEXAS UNIV. could not help u beat them boys C.UNIV THO.

By joe INFOMED

October 5, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

texas thats funny becuzes i dont see your logic in sayin that texas has better TEAMS, becuzes the way to prove that is to play teams from texas. well i think GA has one of the best football state’s in the U.S.A. U can’t take anything from texas but to make such a broad statment is stupid. those boy from TEXAS UNIV. could not help u beat them boys C.UNIV THO.

By slalom1

October 5, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

Hey “Yo” I agree. Also, I am with you on this “Texas thing”. However, they are going to make some BIG points about the size of their enrollments. You think Lowndes is big? Have you checked out the size of some of the elite Texas schools? They are going to make the very same arguments about the “student enrollment” as you made with me. On a related note, I have and always will believe that year in and year out, the best football in the state, in ALL classifications comes from south Georgia.(Region 1AAAAA in particular). Good luck to Lowndes this season.

By Ed NSHS Fan

October 6, 2007 11:21 PM | Link to this

Todd, Well,well,well—so Westside is the team to stand up to Nortside-Warner Robins. Hey, Baldwin beat them on their home field 29-21 (overtime). We get Baldwin next week. The only comparison I have is Stockbridge. Baldwin beat Stockbridge at home 20-0. Northside went to Stockbridge and beat them 34-3. We get Westside home on 2 Nov. 07. Just before we play Westside we get a week off. Northside will be ready. See at the dome!

By NCFAN

October 7, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

NORTH COBB.. UPSET ALERT CAMPBELL”S DEFENSE CAN RUN WITH YOU!! IF CAMPBELL SCORES 21, WHICH CAN BE HARD TO DO, BUT IF THEY DO THEY KNOCK OFF N.COBB —LOOKS LIKE YOU SCORED 21 AND STILL LOST. 6-0. SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

By MLK 07' alumni #13

October 12, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this

MLK just beat Stephenson so who #1 now HATERS. We never get the respect we deserve. Yall gone have 2 give it 2 us someday or better yet we gone jus TAKE IT.

By kings eyes in the sky

October 13, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

Ok, we are 7-0 unlike most of the people in the top 10. Ok,we have beat a team with a winning record. Ok, we beat your so call number one team in the state. Ok, now what?