Opinion Talk

By Marlene

July 15, 2008 7:51 AM | Link to this

We’re paying over $4 a gallon for gasoline. People are starting to ask how did this happen. Much of the blame can be laid at the feet of Republicans.

President Carter put us on the track to having a sound, sensible energy policy. He advocated a combination of energy conservation and the development of alternate sources of energy. This worked so well that our oil consumption plummeted.

Conservatives mocked Carter, and as soon as President Reagan took office, he dismantled as many Carter initiatives as he could. Consequently many small businesses that were developing alternate fuels were forced to close.

Imagine how much better off we would be if all those small businesses had spent the last 28 years helping the United States become energy independent.

By spankmonkey

July 15, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this

Let’s not forget Ari Fleischer’s famous proclamation, that “it’s every american’s god given right to drive an SUV”

By Copyleft

July 15, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

Of COURSE he was right. How is that even a question? For years, Carter and other people with better than a fourth-grade education saw the stupidity of continuing to rely on a SINGLE, non-renewable resource. They tried to warn us; they tried to promote alternative-energy development and conservation.

And they were ignored. Laughed at, even. Heck, today the fools of the far right—still squarely in the pockets of the oil and gas lobbyists who PUT us in this mess—call them “eco-terrorists”!

OBVIOUSLY Carter and the other energy experts were right. We ignored them to our great cost, and we’re paying for it now. Even today the denial continues, as the oil-and-gas funded media hacks continue to insist “drill more, drill more” as the only POSSIBLE solution.

They’ll never mention finally implementing the fuel-efficiency standards that would’ve prevented our current crisis, and even now would go a long way toward fixing it. Never once will you hear the word “conservation” cross the lips of these so-called “conservatives.”

Ironic, isn’t it? Remember that when you vote.

By Denny

July 15, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Some of you are suffering from convenient, or maybe just selective, memory.

Mr. Carter oversaw double digit inflation rates and my home mortgage rate was 13.5% during his disasterous term.

Low mileage vehicle are available and have been for a long time. People just don’t want to buy them or own them.

Democrats mandating that we can only build high mileage vehicles is not a sound response to increased fuel cost.

By GaLiberal

July 15, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

It’s so typical to look back using 20-20 hindsight. Carter was right for the time and conditions, but things change. When Reagan took office, we had a stable oil supply from friendly nations (thanks to Carter) so energy was not that much of a problem. All the programs Carter had started were just not ever going to be competitive with cheap oil. Even with continued government subsidies, these businesses never would have gone very far.

We have to address today’s problems in the context of today; not 30 years ago. The Rethuglicons just want to punch more holes in the ground draining what oil is left even faster. We gave the oil companies billions in tax breaks so they pump oil as fast as they can driving down the overall cost of oil production and keeping gas prices artificially low. Get rid of the corporate welfare and lets see the true cost of oil production. That would probably make some alternatives cost competitive. Won’t happen as long as the Rethuglicons are in office.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And encouraging overproduction for cheap gas is living proof.

By jondoe

July 15, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

Wow, one rarely hears kudos for Jimmy Carter. I’ll fight the urge to vilify Reagan and Bush, and instead praise Carter, a great man of integrity and vision, crucified by those he truly wanted to help. Pushing for energy independence was a great goal, and a huge loss for this country when dismantled, in ways we are still seeing today. Congress is so bold to now demand CAFE mileage of 34mpg - in 2020! Such vision. Thank you Jimmy, for all tried to do and teach us.

By jondoe

July 15, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

Wow, one rarely hears kudos for Jimmy Carter. I’ll fight the urge to vilify Reagan and Bush, and instead praise Carter, a great man of integrity and vision, crucified by those he truly wanted to help. Pushing for energy independence was a great goal, and a huge loss for this country when dismantled, in ways we are still seeing today. Congress is so bold to now demand CAFE mileage of 34mpg - in 2020! Such vision. Thank you Jimmy, for all tried to do and teach us.

By tatman

July 15, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

History has proven many times over that Carter was correct on many of his initiatives, not only concerning energy but world peace as well. We were well on our way to energy independence, and yes, it was the Republican party that very deliberately squelched those efforts. We are now paying the price. Not only at the pump, but many of Americas most promising young people have been sacrificed to a war of questionable origins. Our uncomfortable situation is not only due to a lack of leadership on the national level, but on our own shortsighted lust for more, bigger, and all things disposable. We are now faced with the end of the fossil fuel era and we have nothing in the pipeline to keep us moving. Our current president hanging on to more drilling as if it is the great hope for all the world is pathetic. We as a nation should already be past fossil fuel and living on the profits of the alternatives that should already be widely available.

By Soothsayer

July 15, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

PayPal’s cofounder hopes to produce a practical $30,000 all-electric car in four years.

Hang on to your SUV. You can put in the museum.

By Soothsayer

July 15, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

The idea of growing what you put in the tank of your car, rather than sucking it out of a hole in the ground, no longer looks like economic madness. Nor does the idea of throwing away the tank and plugging your car into an electric socket instead. Much of the world’s oil is in the hands of governments who have little sympathy with the rich West. When a former head of America’s Central Intelligence Agency allies himself with tree-hugging greens that his outfit would once have suspected of subversion, you know something is up. Yet that is one tack James Woolsey is trying in order to reduce his country’s dependence on imported oil.

By Sam

July 15, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

Jimmy Carter was and still is a moron who can’t see past his own bad ideas. Let’s not forget that the late 70’s brought about the worst gas shortage in American history ($4 a gallon gas is very rought to swallow but at least you’re not being turned away by gas stations who have none). Of course this is also the same Carter who thinks Isreal is evil and that simply trying to talk to Soviet Russia or Iran would do some good. We need to begin more domestic drilling now and quite listening to the crazy antics of an old codger who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

By Willie

July 15, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

By Marlene July 15, 2008 7:51 ” We’re paying over $4 a gallon for gasoline. People are starting to ask how did this happen. Much of the blame can be laid at the feet of Republicans.” Marlene either you are young, brainwashed, or just plain liberal simple. California liberals led the “hug a tree” and no nuclear plants contruction in the ‘70’s. Please have another glass of kool-aid as O’Reilly would say. The only policy liberals want is for Americans to go back to mule and wagons. Liberals want us to good little socialists and let people like you give us what you think we need. I do not call that living in a free world. But apparently you like communism.

By JeepersCreepers

July 15, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

No Carter was not right has never been right and will never be right. There was a push back in carters day to use foreign oil and preserve our oil. I guess I am the only one that read or remembers that. Then you whacko liberals kick in and saturated the air waves with communist propaganda and stopped the drilling and buiding nuclear plants. You were even driving spikes into trees causing other Amercians to get hurt. I will drive my SUV until the end of time and you can drive your Yugo. Besides with the Anti-Christ Obama as a leader, we will become another plain old world country. Do you celebrate Stalins birthday?

By Soothsayer

July 15, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

[On the afternoon of January 29, 1969, an environmental nightmare began in Santa Barbara, California. A Union Oil Co. platform stationed six miles off the coast of Summerland suffered a blowout. Oil workers had drilled a well down 3500 feet below the ocean floor. Riggers began to retrieve the pipe in order to replace a drill bit when the “mud” used to maintain pressure became dangerously low. A natural gas blowout occurred. An initial attempt to cap the hole was successful but led to a tremendous buildup of pressure. The expanding mass created five breaks in an east-west fault on the ocean floor, releasing oil and gas from deep beneath the earth.

For eleven days, oil workers struggled to cap the rupture. During that time, 200,000 gallons of crude oil bubbled to the surface and was spread into a 800 square mile slick by winds and swells. Incoming tides brought the thick tar to beaches from Rincon Point to Goleta, marring 35 miles of coastline. Beaches with off-shore kelp forests were spared the worst as kelp fronds kept most of the tar from coming ashore. The slick also moved south, tarring Anacapa Island’s Frenchy’s Cove and beaches on Santa Cruz, Santa Rosa and San Miguel Islands.](http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~jeff/sb69oilspill/69oilspillarticles2.html)

Just so you don’t forget why we have a ban on offshore drilling.

By Soothsayer

July 15, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

Sorry about that. Here it is again. For all you well-off Republicans imagine if this happened offshore from your Destin or Hilton Head condos.

On the afternoon of January 29, 1969, an environmental nightmare began in Santa Barbara, California. A Union Oil Co. platform stationed six miles off the coast of Summerland suffered a blowout. Oil workers had drilled a well down 3500 feet below the ocean floor. Riggers began to retrieve the pipe in order to replace a drill bit when the “mud” used to maintain pressure became dangerously low. A natural gas blowout occurred. An initial attempt to cap the hole was successful but led to a tremendous buildup of pressure. The expanding mass created five breaks in an east-west fault on the ocean floor, releasing oil and gas from deep beneath the earth.

By Burton

July 15, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Yo Willie,

Please have another glass of kool-aid as O’Reilly would say.<

Bill O’Reilly got caught having phone sex with some girl, while shoving a dildo up his you know what not long ago.

Talk about LIBERAL…he has no room to talk and needs to shut his pie hole.

By saywhat

July 15, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

Sure he was right - I was only 5 years old at the time and I said the same thing - but does that make me more respectable or somewhat more vindicated? Carter is still a moron and an idiot. About 52 years ago there was a certain Russian leader named Khrushchev that said “we will bury you without firing a shot”, and he now appears to be right as the US is slowing destroying itself from within and as we become a socialist country - so should we sing his praises too?

By RJ

July 15, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

Carter was, indeed, correct on the issue. Unfortunately, there existed neither the economic latitude nor the political capital to make a bold move toward energy independence.

As a frame of reference for what “could have been”, thirty years ago— about the same time Carter made his speech— Brazil started on a path to energy independence. Thanks to that initiative, they have the luxury of not importing any foreign oil. When you go to a “gas” station in Brazil, you tell them if you want gasoline, ethanol, or natural gas— and most vehicles run on at least two of them.

And you all thought Brazil was a third-world country…

By Kita

July 15, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

Carter was right. Getting caught in semantics about the long lines, the oil people could not get etc. does not diminish the fact that gas mileage could have possibly hit 40-50 miles per gallon TODAY, that at the TIME in the 1970 - 80’s we could have started this process - NONE of those previous facts excuse our current situation. It does not diminish the fact that at the time, most car companies had the knowledge to have gas mileage at 30 mph at did not bother becasue they were not mandated to do it ( which kinda kicks the idea that private corporations will change/address concerns to help people theory). It does not excuse the fact that as a nation we should have faced that friendly folks can become enemies, difficult etc. according to their own country’s situation or needs. We should have planned for OUR OWN future and used solar energy, plugged in some cars, harnessed the wind etc. for power. REGARDLESS of the hassles of those times IF we took the initiative to stop becoming so dependent on other countries for oil we would not be in this situation. Start at the top and take a look. This attitude of not taking the lead and looking out for ourselves (Americans) has even compromised our food supply etc. This is not a liberal or a conservative nor is it a Democrat or Republican issue. This is an issue of American being what it claims to be : A country that has the fortitude to do for itself, share its wealth all the while maintaining a can do, will do spirit. We have slept at the wheel. Let’s stop arguing about the past and become more proactive about our present. We DEFINITELY need to do these things now. Whether we like it or not President Carter was RIGHT about the energy issue. No matter the other issues that are brought up about his administration, about this issue, ENERGY, he was RIGHT.

Allegiance to a philosophy, party, or an ideology cannot be so strong as to eliminate common sense. Blind allegiance is foolish whether a person is liberal, moderate, conservative, Democratic, Liberterian, Republican etc. Isn’t this sort of blind allegiance how we (Americans) got in this economic and gas guzzling mess anyway? Wake Up. Don’t just smell the coffee, take a sip and admit that it is really awful and bitter. We made it, now it is time to drink the crap up and no amount of sugar or cream can help.

PS - Seeing that trees give oxygen, food, etc. which is CRUCIAL for life, being a tree hugger is probably one of THE smartest things a person can become accustomed to doing. Money is not everything nor are creature comforts. Without life - LIVING, it all means nothing. Let’s get back to using common sense and admitting to what we really see and where we really are.

By Karl Rove

July 15, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

It;s amazing reading these comments about drilling for more oil.

Yo either have to be living a dark cave or living off don’t want to change our energy draining habits.

If you have not notice we have been purchasing oil from the Middle East for over 60 years because of our oil consumption.

It is obvious we will have to get flex-fuel vehicles and New cars need to average 50 miles per gallon.

Also for all you Mr. Carter haters the inflation went up because the Federal Bank raised the interest rates to combat supposed inflation during 1979 thru 1981 That had nothing to do with Mr. Carter.

Also, Oil companies are not obligated sell their oil to America. They can sell to the highest bidder.

Right now our oil companies are selling oil from Alaska to Asian countries.

Check it out!

By Chaz

July 15, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

For all of you with short attention spans and selective memory, let me remind you that not only conservatives mocked and disrespected Jimmy Carter, the left did too. They went so far as to run Ted Kennedy (that paragon of virtue and self-denial) against their incumbent president. Carter was, as he should be remembered, a well-intentioned, principled man with few managerial skills and clueless when it comes to dealing with foreign dictators (as in Iran & Cuba).

Every president since Nixon has vowed to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, and not one has done it. Ultimately, it’s our own damn fault, each and every one of us.

By DaveD

July 15, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

Carter put solar panels on top of the white house…and what was one of the FIRST things that moron Reagan did? He had them pulled off. Had we invested in solar power the very same way we give tax breaks to the oil companies (after all these years), there seems to me that we would have made a difference in our global energy consumption.

Why do we STILL not (as consumers) get federal tax credits when we install solar panels? Why tax breaks for global oil companies that make record profits?

By Denny

July 15, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Brazil may be energy independent, but they never, never stopped searching for and drilling for oil.

By Fred

July 15, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Soothsayer, 1969 was also the LAST time there was a major oil spill from an offshore derrick. 39 years ago. Katrina demolished any number of derricks in the Gulf with no spills reported afterwards. It’s 2008, we CAN do it safely, and even if there is a spill every 40 years or so, I think we can deal with that risk. Get your head out of the sand.

By spankmonkey

July 15, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

I love it, nothing get republiKKKans to froth at the mouth faster than the mention of Jimmy Carter’s name… They’ll trip all over themselves to cut his name down as fast and as vitriolic as they can, and at the same time wax peotic about the senile and treasonous president who followed him.

By RJ

July 15, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

Denny, never said they stopped drilling for oil. It is a commodity with significant value. Why would they not continue exploration?

By Barry

July 15, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

Our energy independence will only come with more domestic supply (drill, extract), more domestic sources (wind, solar, biofuels) and more efficient use of what we have. There isn’t one answer to this. We need all the answers.

We’re the only oil-producing country that has reduced our production in the last 15 years. In the face of rising prices and stagnant supply, that makes no sense economically or for our own independence.

By gttim

July 15, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

“Mr. Carter oversaw double digit inflation rates and my home mortgage rate was 13.5% during his disasterous term.”

Wrong! Remember Ford’s campaign slogan when he ran against Carter? WIN- Whip Inflation Now. Inflation was there before Carter took office. It was because of the disastrous Republican economic policies.

“Soothsayer, 1969 was also the LAST time there was a major oil spill from an offshore derrick. 39 years ago. Katrina demolished any number of derricks in the Gulf with no spills reported afterwards.”

Wrong:

“In fact, the clear satellite evidence of major spills was borne out by final reports. In May 2006, the U.S. Minerals Management Service (MMS) published their offshore damage assessment: “113 platforms totally destroyed, and 457 pipelines damaged, 101 of those major lines with 10″ or larger diameter.” […]

Unsurprisingly, this devastation caused significant spillage, according to the official report prepared for the MMS by a Norwegian firm. […]

In addition, the hurricanes caused disastrous spills onshore throughout southeast Louisiana and the rest of the Gulf Coast as tanks, pipelines, refineries and other industrial facilities were destroyed, for a total of 595 different oil spills. The 9 million gallons reported spilled were comparable with the Exxon Valdez’s 10.8 million gallons, but unlike the Exxon Valdez, were distributed throughout Louisiana, Mississippi, and other Gulf Coast states, many in residential areas.”

More:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/3457319.html

By Soothsayer

July 15, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

Thank you gttim. Fred, the days of cheap oil are GONE FOREVER. Even if we drilled ANWR and ALL of the coastal regions of the US, the effect at the pump will be minimal at best. The hard reality (whether you accept it or not) is that fossil fuels are running out. We have two choices: find alternatives or do without.

The most promising SUSTAINABLE alternatives currently are CSP (concentrated solar power) and algae-to-oil. Not surprisingly, only these two alternatives have even the remotest possibility of replacing fossil fuels in the long run.

If you really want a dose of reality I invite each and every one of you to visit the www.theoildrum.com. I doubt if anyone on this site comprehends how serious and dire the situation is. We are right on the brink of some drastic changes in all of our lives.

By Fred

July 15, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

So you can report exact numbers on the number of platforms destroyed, pipelines damaged and sizes of the pipelines, but can only point to ‘significant spillage’ not directly attributable to onshore refineries. Funny how 595 oil spills went unreported at the time. Even Soothsayer seemed unaware, why else dig back 39 years?

Even if all you say is true, all endeavors entail risk and we as rational beings weigh risk against benefits, and then we manage the risk as best we can. Only the most hardheaded environmentalist (or anti-capitalist) would rather see our oil supplies constrained at this point rather than contributing to our independence.

By Alexander H.

July 15, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

Carter might have been right, after all even a broken clock is right twice a day.

By cc

July 15, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

for all the blame weak minded people put on Carter, just think for a moment where our country was between 1976 and 1980. I can tell you for a fact that no person short of Jesus could have done a great job during that time. I country was in turmoil and still reeling from the Vietnam War. no one was ready to do confront our energy problems, except Carter. then the oil companies began their successful campaign of manipulating the American people by getting people to believe that you are a wimp, a tree hugger or Heaven forbid, a liberal, if you didn’t love oil and the Arabs that have us by the short hairs. anybody that thinks oil in the answer, no matter from ANWR, shale in the Rockies or offshore, is a complete idiot and a someone who is helping to hurt this country, and that’s unpatriotic. oil is not the answer, it’s the problem. we should think smart, we should use sugar cane and soybeans for ethanol, not corn. every house should have solar panels and sisterns for collecting water. nuclear energy should be used more and the companies that build and operate the plants should be frequently inspected and held accountable for their actions. we should be using wave and wind energy, more reservoirs and hydroelectric power, etc.
but what we should never do again is elect someone in the oil business to be our President. we should use the oil we can get our hands on, but it is not the answer. we are painting ourselves into a corner the more and more we look to this energy source. it’s hilarious to watch the programmed conservatives all slowly coming around to green alternatives and climate change, because they know it’s the smart thing to do. but they’ll never admit they were wrong and will never apologize to the people they have put down while they promoted the lies and agenda of the oil companies. dividing this country in the process the whole time while wearing their lapel pins and claiming they care about America. if you care about America you’ll support making our country energy independent and get ourselves away from those jerks in the Middle East. if Brazil can become energy independent, we should be able to do it too, but only if we can stop putting political parties before the best interest of America.

By Barry

July 15, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

At this point, cheap oil isn’t even a realistic goal. The high prices we face now are just a wake-up call to the distinct possibility of a cutoff of oil. Long lines at gas pumps, factories shutting down, brownouts from powerplants, a shortage of plastics for any number of critical applications… the consequences are innumerable and far-flung. Our entire infrastructure runs on oil and we need to make sure we have enough while we develop (and I mean DEVELOP for real) other sources of energy.

Solar? Bring it on! Wind? I’m all for it! Algae? Umm, okay! But you know as well as I do that we can drill in ANWR and off the coasts a whole lot quicker though. If the prices come down a little, that’s a side benefit. Don’t count on it though, so CONSERVE, dammit.

By Soothsayer

July 15, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Fred, please read this:

“But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”.

“It must repeat those points over and over again until the public believes it. The principles behind propaganda are the same principles of mind control, hypnotic suggestion, and mental programming: distraction and repetition. With propaganda, distraction draws attention away from information that is true and directs attention to information that is false. Repetition of the false information imbeds it in your subconscious mind so that your acceptance of its truth becomes a conditioned response. You accept this information as true without thinking whenever it is presented to you again.”

—Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

What is the true information: No amount of drilling will significantly change the situation we’re in.

What is the false information: Drilling in ANWR and the OCS will solve our oil dependency problem.

If you can DISPROVE the true information I will be happy to hear it.

By Icabod

July 15, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Wow, this makes me look back on the Carter years with such appreciation. All of that time, as a teenager up north, chopping up firewood to heat our house because we could not afford heating oil. All the time listening to my family, friends and neighbors lamenting the ridiculously high interest rates. Struggling to make ends meet while that fool Carter drove this country to the brink of failure. That man was and still is a national embarrassment. Democrats are stupid hateful people that are not content to ruin their own lives but have a sick need to force their misery on others. Their desire is to destroy capitalism any way they can. Democrats hate America. Have a nice day.

By Filster

July 15, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

Carter right???? Man, that is some serious s**t you’re smoking! Care to be a brother and share?

By Fred

July 15, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

Carter was never right about anything as you are not right now.

By gttim

July 15, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

“Funny how 595 oil spills went unreported at the time.”

No, they were reported. They just were not reported by the main stream media- which is all owned by large conservative corporations. The main stream media does not report the truth, just what is good for their corporations’ business model.

Why do all the GOP talking heads not have them listed in their talking points? Because they do not support their assertions and lies. They could not lie to your face with the “No oil spills in the Gulf in 39 years” if they told you about all the spills that happened during the hurricanes.

By Bob

July 15, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

Carter was a great man.

Chavez is our friend.

Che was a great humanitarian.

Mugabe really loves white people.

Democrats love America.

Dream on.

By Bob

July 15, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

Gee, I wonder if these 2 news reports have anything to do with each other…

(CBS/ AP) Putting pressure on congressional Democrats to back more exploration for oil, President Bush on Monday lifted an executive ban on offshore drilling that has stood since his father was president.

NEW YORK (AP) - Wall Street recouped its steep early losses and traded mixed Tuesday as oil dropped by more than $7 a barrel, giving investors hope that lower energy prices could help revive the flagging economy.

By Jack Stilton

July 15, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

Jimmy Carter is a embarrassment to the state of Ga and to this country. He never met a dictator he didn’t like and we still buy oil from those dictators, because the Democrats wouldn’t let this country drill or refine.

Jimmy was wrong abut 90% of the time back then and he is wrong 95% of the time now.

By Billy Carter

July 15, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

Funny all you Carter haters can’t bring yourselves to say he WAS right, so you go to bashing the “inflation, gas lines”…. how sad. Carter was proposing a FUTURE solution, not a quick fix for the ARAB OIL EMBARGO. That is why there were lines.

Face facts….while proactive people recycle, look for alternatives and plan for the future, reactionary people want the instant gradification, no sacrifice, big cars to match their egos and listen to “talking heads” tell us “global warming is an illusion”. They are always four steps behind, and then panic to catch up.

Carter asked us to sacrifice, something most (not all) Republicans don’t want to hear. As long as people put more faith in talk show hosts and “fair and balanced” TV instead of science, we are in trouble.

The facts are Reagan DID cancel most of Carter’s energy plans. He needed to free up money for DoD toys. Defense must come first, even while the infrastructure crumbles. That is the spirit of dictators, who rule starving countries with no electricity, no food, no clean water or medicine, but plenty of tanks, guns and jets. Go figure…..

We need people like T Boone Pickins. At least he HAS a plan.

By T Boone Pickens

July 15, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

I have a plan www.pickensplan.com

By Peter

July 15, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Carter was right, but that was then this is now………today the guy who is right is Republican Billionaire oilman T. Boone Pickens is putting his clout behind renewable energy sources like wind power.

As an independent voter, I would like to see that type of thinking for America !

By Blind Homer

July 15, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Carter’s foreign policy was horrendous, but he was right about energy. As always, about 95% of the bloggers are incapable of independent thought and just take the party line, Carter was crap and Reagan was god. Reagan re-directd the department of energy to his infamous and ridiculous ‘Star Wars’ leading to the energy problems we have now. BTW, we had ten years of misery indexes and stagflation beginning with late Nixon and continuing until about the third year of Reagan, six of the ten were under Republican administrations. And all of those presidents ran with a balanced budget plank, but only the traitor Reagan delivered record setting deficits instead!

By Jack Stilton

July 15, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

Even the clock is right twice a day.

Ok now I am going to foresee problems of the future.

1 Stop illegal immigration and send them home 2 Drill for oil now and build nuke plants 3 Balance the budget it is going to cause problems in the future 4 Fix social security and let the younger generation opt out of this horrible socialist program 5 Get rid of the IRS and have a national sales tax

I am a genius! All of these things will cause problems in the next 30 years if not now causing problems. That darn Jimmy Carter isn’t your average peanut farmer.

By ron

July 15, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

Carter was right.Admitting that now does us no good.The question is,what do we do in 2008 and 2009?I’ll tell you.We’re going to get used to high oil prices.And we’re going to talk.About high oil prices.And do nothing.Just get used to them.They’re not high enough yet to cause any great change.Just a little cutting back.

Someday they’ll be high enough to cause great social upheaval,but not today.And not in the near future.The oil companies and OPEC aren’t going to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.They are going to squeeze the goose harder this time than they’ve ever squeezed before.Get used to it.And talk some more.

By hounddog

July 15, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

We continue to reap what Jimmy sowed…as the emboldened Iranians held our people hostage Carter had NO RESPONSE and freted in the White House. Not until President Reagan took office were our people freed. Why…the rag heads knew he would do something, not sit in seclusion and p** like a puppy!

By Rick

July 15, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

If this has been already mentioned, my apologies, as I am not going to read every entry:

Please remember that one of Ronnie’s first acts was to dismantle the solar panels that Carter had had installed. I recall thinking that one act spoke volumes about the GOP’s priorities.

One of my favorite lines: Republicans react to Ronald Reagan’s name the same way the gays react when they hear Barbra Streisand being mentioned…

By morris

July 15, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

For all those republicans kicking Jimmy Carter.Think about this, out the last 44 years we’ve had a republican president for 32 of those years.And look at where we are now Nixon gave us china to take our jobs and your beloved REAGON gave us deficets and bush gave us war.Trivia question!@ Who was the last republican president to balance the budget.

By Freddie

July 15, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

add me and Fannie Mae to the ever growing list of Republican entitlement programs like: the oil companies, the drug companies, illegal immigration, the Iraq War, etc. it’s 2008 and our brainiac president final is ready to admit the economy is in bad shape, can we please for the sake of this country stop putting these morons in power?!

By Carter is a FOOL

July 15, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

What a bunch of stick your head in the mud and call it whipped cream liberals. Carter was and is a FOOL. He ran our country into the ground. He cowered and fidgeted in the White House while the Iranians kept our embassy personnel hostages. The current kook in Iran came from these captors. He is the only president to oversee double digit inflation and interest rates along with long gas lines.

You people are either too young or too stupid to remember. It took Regan 2 years to rebuild our place in the world and reverse this Fool’s handiwork. Of course the great JC did not go quietly. We FIRED HIM, but he still has undermined every president elected since he was FIRED. Republican or Democrat, he does not care. He interferes in Foreign Policy with them all and embarrass the country every time he opens his mouth.

Now we have another person with thin credentials and accomplishments set to slick talk the American public and do further damage to our nation. Carter is the worst president in the history of our nation and is distinguished by being the worst EX-President in our nation’s history.

What a great thing to look forward to — the reincarnation of the great JC in the form of left wing socialist Backtrack Obama.

By michael

July 15, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

I’m one of the guilty parties that still own 2 thats right 2 mustangs with a combined mpg of like 28 between both of them!!. As soon as I can save enough and hopefully ford will have a good electric or hybrid by 2010 then I’m parking my muscle cars!!. I wish it was as easy as saying yeah I’m getting a honda but as a guy or more importantly a guy raised in the south and going to races my whole life looks and power matter to me are etched in my head but it’s beyond that now. ALL cars should get at least 35mpg by now including my american muscle.They have the technology but not the b@#Ls to use it.

By Sudsy McBrew

July 15, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

you won’t find a Republican politician who’s best friends with corporate America doing what Carter did, Carter legalized home brewing! name another politician that would stand up against Anheuser-Busch, Coors and Miller to help regular folks. now we have a lot of excellent micro-breweries and lots of different types of beers. this also helps many people start their own small business where they were shut out before. that’s called more freedom, more independence, more true capitalism, not the corporatism that some people believe is capitalism, it isn’t. Republicans would never do this for us, but they would wiretap your phone and tell you it’s for your own good.

By ollie north

July 15, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

and what would you have done ‘C is a fool’ with our people held hostage? attacked downtown Tehran and wind up having them all killed? hostage negotations are tricky. and there is a reason police don’t just rush in every time someone is held hostage. at least Carter sent the Marines in to attempt a rescue after negotiations failed, he waited too long, but he tried. our defense contractors and military leaders failed us that day by sending a helicopter into a sandy environment without any modifications to protect the engines from sand damage. but that’s Carter’s too right? or should Carter have made back room secret deals with terrorists (the Iranians) like Reagan did? I thought we didn’t negotiate with terrorists. but that’s ok if your a Republican, no accountability. or maybe Carter should have cut and run like Reagan did in Lebanon. or maybe Carter should have made drug and arms deals for a secret war even after Congress voted against it, that’s treason pal. or maybe Carter should have taken credit for ending the cold war (a much bigger line of crap than IF and they didn’t say they created the internet), not Pope John Paul II, not Lech Walesa, not the mujahadein, and not even a failed economic system that is communism, nope, Reagan did it all by his little ol’ self. bull! until you idiots clean up the mess you caused called George Bush and Dick Cheney, yo have no room whatsoever criticizing any other President.

By Karl Rove

July 15, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

Look I love the REpublican capitolistic party more than anyone.

Capitolism solves everything! Hey we have alwways bought oil from Chavez! He is a homeboy! That is why we buy oil from him!

Our pockets are getting lined! I hope you average Americans survive you have not seen anything yet!

All energy and materials products will increase that is how we make our MONEY!

I LOVE CAPITOLISM!

By Joshua Barlowe

July 15, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

Taxing the fool out of people wouldn’t solve anything.

Drilling on our own soil would.

Get real.

By Billy Carter

July 15, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

“Carter is the worst president in the history of our nation and is distinguished by being the worst EX-President in our nation’s history.”

Bush #2 will have the top spot Jan 2009

By T Boone Pickens

July 15, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

We can’t drill our way out of this one, and I’m an oil man!

By Carter is a FOOL

July 15, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

Obviously I will not get “Ollie North-(yeah right)” to believe the truth.

Carter sent in the Marines like any other politician when it finally dawned on his dimwit brain that he would loose the election because he was a COWARD. He sent them in ill-prepared, under supplied. Why, because he like every modern democrat he has a contempt for the military that provides us our freedom to live in our democracy. The military that provides the freedom for the very people that hate them and spit on them.

Back to Carter. He is a FOOL. His inability to react quickly and decisively is at the root of his failed presidency. I remember his decree in state government to eliminate paper in the Medicaid office. We will buy NO MORE FILE CABINETS. An executive order from this fool who would reorganize state government. We then resorted to cardboard boxes to file the papers.

As President, his indeciveness and inability to act caused him to fail to deal with Inflation. He failed to deal with the gas lines. He failed to deal with double digit mortgage rates. He failed in his attempt to handle the hostage crisis which was of his OWN MAKING. He created this when he betrayed the Shah. And they said Regan was asleep at the switch. Regan was concentrating on the important tasks of defeating the Communists and creating a new and safer world for us. This he did accomplish when the wall fell and the Soviet Union collapsed.

His answer to the energy problem was to throw a log on the fire and wear a sweater on TV. He was and is a clown.

His ill fated and unsolicited book on the middle east emboldens our enemies to think we are weak and crazy. His ideas on the Palestinians are truly radical. He just does not know when to quit. Well he has never met a dictator that he did not instantly fall in love with. Hugo Chavez is not a cuddly role model except to Carter.

We are still paying for Carter’s policies. The current situation in Iran is a direct result of Carter. The inability to explore for oil and be energy independent is Carter’s fault along with the environmental (sky is falling) kooks in the Demoncrat party. Pelosi won’t even listen to reason, but Congress popularity is in single digits. The Demoncrats were going to fix rising gas prices and this is why they were elected. Things are worse and will be if Jimmy Bactrack Obama is elected.

By Carter is a FOOL

July 15, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

No. When our current President leaves office in January, he will not steal items from the White House. He also will not be the worst President and Ex-President as the Over-Inflated Ego that is Jimmy Carter has earned this title for posterity.

By Ms. Tucker If UR Nasty

July 15, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

Jimmy Carter was right about a lot of things. Carter has taken tremendous flak from people who are just plain old mean spirited, and these same people flaunt themselves as “Patriots”,Puhleeze.

By Carter is a FOOL

July 15, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

Signing off as their is no reason to argue with people who support this fool.

Sign the petition and drill for new oil. Make America self sufficient in Energy. Stop sending our money overseas to the dictators of the world. Drill and create a supply of energy to carry us over until we can invent the technology needed to power our society that is not based on oil and gasoline.

By Carter is a FOOL

July 15, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this

Signing off as their is no reason to argue with people who support this fool.

Sign the petition and drill for new oil. Make America self sufficient in Energy. Stop sending our money overseas to the dictators of the world. Drill and create a supply of energy to carry us over until we can invent the technology needed to power our society that is not based on oil and gasoline.

If the Demoncrats regain the White House, their energy policy will not buy us one more drop of oil or one more day to create new technology not dependent on oil. They just want to hug a tree and return to horse and buggy days.

By tatman

July 15, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

We are drilling on our own soil. It is being sold to the highest bidder. Look it up, Google it. The highest bidder is in Asia. Why not ask the oil companies about that?

Carter was right. We should have listened.

By HeySoose

July 15, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry, but I still think Jimmy Carter is and was a complete idiot. I might also add, a great embarrassment to our state.

By daryl

July 15, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this

Obama must be reading Carters Dairie’s conserve conserve taz windfall profits yet none of that will help ease the situation read the first part of the article !!! Carter encouraged us to conserve & raised the gas tax 50 cents did any of that help ours is a consumer economy drilling more oil & more refinerie’s to increase supply is the only way to achieve lower energy costs

By tatman

July 15, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

Even the Energy Department of George W Bush states in the current report. You can find this yourself online. That drilling today in Alaska and every coast of America will not change anything about the current energy crisis until 2032. In 2032 the world can expect a 1% change from the oil produced on American soil. We should really focus the billions it would cost to drill on new energy sources. The time to start this change was in the 70s. We had leadership that did just that. Unfortunately, that leadership was followed by many shortsighted administrations. Today we have a president that in spite of what his own hand picked energy advisers are saying, wants to drill for more oil. We as a nation need not wonder why our status as world leaders has slipped. We have seen the enemy and it is us.

By SC Birdflyte

July 15, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

After reading some of the vitriol slung at Carter by posters on this thread, it strikes me we need a new disorder, Carter Derangement Syndrome, for the Republicans. They’ve been whining about “Bush Derangement Syndrome” for years, although since his popularity went into the toilet, you don’t hear much about that nowadays.

By HeySoose

July 15, 2008 7:22 PM | Link to this

SC Birdflyte, you need to get over yourself. I’m sure you’ve never said a bad word about anyone.

By Chris

July 16, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

As an ex-President, Jimmy Carter has done more for this country than any other of his compatriots. What did Reagon, Ford, Clinton or Bush Sr. do after they left office? Lets see, besides sit in their special interest funded libraries, resting on their laurels and collecting $$$ for making speeches, Carter at least has done something constructive. Can’t name one former president who comes even close to doing something useful after leaving office.

Bob: You think his ideas about the Middle East are radical, do you have any better ideas that would be acceptable? Carter and Nelson Mandela are pretty much on the same page on this. Is Nelson Mandela a fool too?

CarterisaFool: Bush’s ratings are right now tied with Carter’s and heading lower. Maybe Bush will put himself through school again so he can learn to speak a straight sentence of correct English! But then, just leaving the national scene will be his greatest contribution to this country after these 8 years.

HeySoose: Carter an embarrassment to the state? Sorry, but Zell Miller took that prize after his drooling tirade at the 2004 Republican convention.

And the first gas lines started during the Ford presidency. Remember 1974??? High inflation? Ditto.

By Patrick J. Garot

July 16, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

Necessity is the mother of Invention… not big government.

Consider World War II: the War itself provided the Necessity. Big Government programs oriented around that Necessity succeeded… inventing plastic uses, the earliest tabulators, jet engines, atomic power, etc.

President Carter’s programs would have failed by the early 1980s for lack of a real and persistent Necessity. Once oil followed market forces (as opposed to the OPEC cartel’s temporary price-riggings in the late 1970s), oil was down to $13 barrel by 1985.

So, by the mid 1980s, absent this Necessity felt by President Carter in 1979, his programs would have wound up being another big government sink-hole. The programs may have dented the price of oil a dollar or so a barrel for the 1980s and 1990s (it’s hard to make oil cheaper than $15/bbl). Meanwhile, these programs would have imposed higher taxes on Americans for 25 years… programs which for those 25 years were unnecessary due to the availability of cheap oil.

Today we may have a different situation. Oil is more difficult and costly to find and bring to market than ever. Demand, particularly from the developing world, is strong and growing. “Peak Oil” is a possibility.

Today, therefore, we seem to have real and persistent Necessity. Today is the time to address this probable Necessity.

(Further, in retrospect, there were risks to addressing the “perceived necessity” in 1979. Alt-energy technologies are better now; to have invested money in them back then likely would not have given us a “head start”… we didn’t have the computing power. So instead, we would have discounted many of alt-energy technologies as impractical or ineffective. Having crossed these bridges already, it is unlikely that we would have gone back and crossed them again.)

In short, we are where we are for good reason. We have not been substantially foolish. We got cheap oil and SUVs for 25 years. The last few years have been rougher, but they are providing us the Necessity to innovate. In ten years when most of us are driving hydrogen or hybrid cars, we will look back on this time with the pride of having risen to the challenge of Necessity. - Patrick J. Garot

By R Burns

July 16, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

Jimmy Carter was a putz then and he still is. His policies only helped get us into this mess because they were too radical to be carried through when times got better-thank you Congress for this mess! I don’t know if you remember having to drive at 55 MPI but it sucked. His coddling of Arab and Persian terrorists also got us into this mess. His lack of meaningful response to the Iranian Hostage Crisis early on only emboldened the terrorists. Remember Desert I, the ill conceived mess that only wasted good men needlessly and caused the world to flee from our moral stand. Carter was known in Europe as CreamPuff Carter. He was a coward and a mental midget. Congress is where any real blame should lie for this current energy mess. Not Reagan, not GHW Bush. Our current President, GW Bush, another mental midget, has only made worse what Carter let get started by wasting our wealth in Iraq and encouraging Middle East terrorists to attack the targets we give them. Reagan wimped out in Lebanon after many Marines were piled on the alter of poorly thought out US actions. Clinton’s hollow rants and asprin factory bombing only made it worse. But, it all really started when Johnson and then Nixon let a stone age army capture the hearts and minds of America’s college age youth and liberals and propel the US into abandoning Vietnam. Since then the US had been loosing the propaganda and support battle around the world. We saw a surge in hype and hope when the USSR folded but all that did was encourage us to blow the peace dividen. The Arabs and other oil producers have learned that we are at a disadvantage while a liberal Congress and dull, weak Executive rules America. I don’t know the answer, but it seems that now we should be putting all our eggs into alternative energy production and away from oil cartels who only want to bleed us dry and conquer our lands by buying them, populating them with their own kind and converting us to Islam once we have no more money.

By Julio Rodriguez

July 16, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

Wow, this is a nice attempt to rewrite history by the Al Jazera Chronicle. I prefer to have the government stay away from my life and let the market sort out the most efficient use of resources in the economy. As a matter of fact because of we are paying $4+ a gallon, GM is talking about taking the Chevy Volt into production; we are seeing breakthroughs in ethanol technology (see www.coskata.com), the US is the second producer of wind energy in the world today, etc. Keep the government out of it and let the capital system work.

By jdi

July 16, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

people.

1979 gas was $.86 cents a gallon, inflation was running rampant.

carter wanted to add $.50 per gallon + tax on imported oil + tax on so called oil company “windfall” profits.

This would more than doubled the price of a gallon in 1979. Carter wanted to force pain on you people to make you conserve, the very same thing you’re complaining about today.

Carter’s plan to basically double the price of a gallon in 1979 would have tanked the economy.

ad his Mandate that utility companies cut their use of oil by 50%, and switch to alternative fuels - MORE PRICE INCREASES.

And what are those alternative fuels- nuclear and coal. And who is fighting the the use of either of these? (rhetorical)

The pain that carter proposed in 1979 is happening right now - the difference is that we have has 30 years of low fuel prices and tremendous national growth - none of which would have happened had carter killed us back in 1979.

By Caitlin

July 16, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

@ Julio R.

Yeah, the market sorted out fuel efficiency so well that American automakers are completely irrelevant in the international market and growing even more irrelevant here in the U.S. If I wanted a fuel-efficient car today, I’d look to Toyota or Honda. If I had money to burn, I’d look to Lexus or Mercedes. Ford and GM wouldn’t even make the list.

By viking54

July 16, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this

Carter was right on energy, but wrong on other issues. More important for that particular time and place, he appeared weak, and that is usually a fatal flaw in a leader.

But it is irrelevant at this point. It is no single politician’s or political parties “fault”-it is ours since we elected them, and we elect people who tell us what we want to hear, not what we should hear.

It is the fault of those that bought Hummers to drive to soccer games, run their AC constantly, ignore tax credits to install solar, drive 1 mile to work rather than walk or bike, refused to take a train so that the passenger rail service in this country has been virtually destroyed, refuse to replace their regular light bulbs with LED’s or fluorescent, fight nuclear power, ban drilling, buy cheap Chinese products, ride atv’s and snowmobiles……all of us.

We have become addicted to cheap oil, and we did it to ourselves. Bicycles, scooters, 40mpg conventional autos, light rail systems and trains, solar, wind, and electric cars have been or are available, and they have not been used by US, the people. If any president or political party had tried to raise gas taxes to the point that we, the people, were forced to do any of the above, they would have been thrown out of office.

There is still time to fix this, but it will take all of us working together, with sacrifice and tenacity, to pull it off. Hatred and venom for those who disagree with our personal beliefs and agenda will make this impossible. We will have to make actual life style, polictal and economic sacrifices: install solar on all of our homes, use alternative forms of transportation, buy high mpg or, when available, electric cars, allow coal and nuclear power plants, drill for oil, and pay a bunch of taxes to fund a massive R & D program for electric trains and new and/or improved methods of alternative energy sources.

We can do it if we can overcome our only true enemy….ourselves.

By michelle

July 16, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this

just as other countries who sell oil are not obligated to sell it to the US, as are we under NO OBLIGATION TO GIVE OIL TO OURSELVES.

when will you idiot supposed conservatives get it through your thick skulls that this capitalist nation you love so much will turn on you to earn a buck?

i hope we do drill for oil here. i hope the cost of gas goes down just even $.50. it will all be worth it to say i told you so because every single one of you that supports increased domestic drilling are complete and utter morons.

By Carter is a FOOL

July 16, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

Chris — Carter is a Fool. He is an Embarrassment to the state of Georgia. Zell Miller was courageous for breaking with the liberal Demoncrats that are the problem. Joseph Liberman is also to be admired for his ability to break with the liberals.

Bold What is the opposite of Progress? CONGRESS.

Congress is the problem. Nancy the Goddess Petuti is acting like Queen of the US and will not allow us to solve the problem.

EXPLORE NOW. DRILL NOW. Work on alternatives to free us now with our own oil and long term from all dependence on oil.

Electing more left leaning tree hugging liverals will not solve the problem, but delay our nation’s progress toward energy independence. I am not happy with the growth of government in the last 8 years. We need to get government off of our backs and out of our wallets.

Patrick is right- Necessity is the mother of invention, if you can get Congress and Government out of the way.

By Eric

July 16, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this

On the issues cited, I believe Carter was right. However, he has, in recent years, supported free “capitalist” markets in China, now a big consumer of oil. With the increased demand, oil costs are soaring. As usual, it is American corporations who profit, with the costs of commuting to work five or more days a week born by the American worker. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

By BigO

July 17, 2008 4:35 AM | Link to this

Of course he was right! Look no further than Brazil and you have the answer right in front of you. They are the most energy independent countries in the world and an emerging economic giant. And the US. God help us. We are and will be reaping what we have sown in spades.

By Corey

July 17, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

I guess some of you will be referring to Mr. Boone as a fool because he states that we cannot drill our way out of this situation. He’s a wealthy oil man, afterall. A smart, reasonable, thinking individual will put his political leanings aside when what’s best for the nation is at stake. Judging from some of these comments by the die hard right some people will forever refuse to believe that there is no Santa at the north pole because that goes against the party philosophy. Peace.

By Soothsayer

July 17, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

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By Soothsayer

July 17, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

How can you double something and still have ten times less than you started with?

By Soothsayer

July 17, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Peak Oil and Energy Imperialism

By RealityKing

July 17, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

Look out your window. If we had listened to Jimmy Carter…, it would still look like 1979 out there.

By Gandalf, the Grey

July 17, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Carter is a Tool…always was, always will be. His brother would have established better policies.

That being said..suppy and demand. Ever heard of it? Americans never have paid world prices for petro until now. Once the pinch occurs, we will change our habits..gas at $.78 a gallon in 2000 was what cause the huge upswing in URABAN ASSAULT VEHICHLES or SUVs. AMERICANS like to drive and won’t change until it becomes to expensive to do so. You have to be very naive not to see this is true.

Carter did nothing but screw up this nation, just like Nobama will.

By Mike

July 22, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

I just cannot believe the ignorance of conservative blabermouths who love to hear themselves talk. Stupid, ignorant, selfish, and living in denial. Yea, Jimmy Carter was wrong…..and George Bush is right. Fools…….

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