Opinion Talk

By catlady

June 18, 2008 7:54 AM | Link to this

Just as Clinton was impeached to hold before the world and disavow his bad acts, so should Bush. His acts were far more heinous, far more deadly, far more harmful to the Presidency and the American people and the body poltic.

By CJ

June 18, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

I agree with catlady. No one died as a result of Clinton’s bad acts… how many have died on Bush’s watch? There ya go.

By Willlie

June 18, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

“His acts were far more heinous, far more deadly, far more harmful to the Presidency and the American people and the body poltic.”…Horse pucky!

He did something no liberal president would do. Bush enforced the postwar sanctions and made Saddam pay for violating them. Were did you get your information? Are you sure it is accurate? Did you personally see these events take place or did the media or some friendly liberal tell you. Tell me! How accurate is you information.?

By GeoffDawg

June 18, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

Impeach him for what? I don’t like many of his decisions either but could someone please point me to this “evidence” of high crimes and misdemeanors? You want to impeach him for political points. Talk about hubris.

By No1AboveTheLaw

June 18, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

I think both W. and Cheney should be impeached so the world can see that no one in this country is above the law. I would go one step further and bring criminal charges against them. From lying in the 2003 State of the Union about Saddam seeking African uranium to outing an undercover CIA agent working againt Iranian WMD for politcal reasons, I’m sure there have been plenty of laws broken.

By gman

June 18, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

Dubya did what any president with any kahuna’s would have done in the aftermath of 9-11. He acted decisively on the intelligence he had. The buck stops at his desk, not Pelosi’s, reids, or Daschles. Many Dems forgot about 9-11 less than 6 months after it happened. It’s easy to be a Monday Morning QB when you look back, but when 3,000 Americans and allies are lying under a smoking pile of rubble, it’s time to act. Any effort to impweach Bush would surely backfire on the Democratic party.

By GeoffDawg

June 18, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

Boy, I sure wouldn’t want to serve on a jury with No1. “We don’t have any actual evidence, but I feel that the defendant broke some laws”.

By Hmmmmm

June 18, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this

This is RIDICULOUS! President Bush has NEVER lied to a grand jury! Mr. Clinton was IMPEACHED and should be stripped of his ability to practice LAW! I would submit to anyone that if anybody else had committed the same act ,their right to practice law would have been taken away. To the people who continue to put up this LAME “nobody died as a result of Clinton’s acts and How many died on Bush’s watch” , PLEASE GET A GRIP! The fact is we will never get the true story about why we went to war! The fact is the President DOES NOT owe any more facts than were given! I can guaranty you one thing. The people of IRAQ are very glad that Bush eradicated a truly EVIL man! For the life of me I have NO IDEA how people like CJ and catlady come to the conclusions and write such HORSEcrap about our President!

By zeke

June 18, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Well, no surprise in your opinion! The difference between Clinton and W> is this, CLINTON COMMITTED PURJURY WHEN HE LIED TO A GRAND JURY!! HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN STRIPPED OF OFFICE AND PUT IN PRISON! This demogog action is pure pay back for their boy being outed as an inmmoral thug! The intelligence that Bush used came from an intelligence community ravaged by the Clinton administration who despised the American way and tried to destroy the ability to collect intelligence by whatever means possible. Bush may have told something not totally true, but, it was not because he lied, it was because the liberal socialist had decimated the intelligence community!!!!!! DOWN WITH LIBERAL DEMOCRATS AND THEIR LOT!!!

By dw

June 18, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

Are the same “tolerant” and “open-minded” folks going to call for Obama’s or McCain’s impeachment when they don’t agree with them 100%? Or for Obama’s, when he doesn’t follow his campaign words to the letter? In my opinion, his intentions do not match his campaign jargon 100%. i.e. hidden agendas. So why not startup the impeachment process now!!! That was sarcasm. I am not thrilled where the U.S. economy is right now. Same with gas prices, etc. But Bush is not the main reason for these issues. So get a grip. I hate that American soldiers are being killed/wounded. But I would hate extremists having an easier time attacking the U.S. and doing the same here. Remember 9/11 ??? Overseas soldiers are the main reason why there has not been a repeat.

By ESR

June 18, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

I’d like to interview the poor saps that lose an election to the pygmey freak Dennis Kucinich and see how they feel losing to someone as weird as this freak-loser is. Then I would like to see an interview with some of his supporters and have someone grill them about their voting habits. Kucinich is the best that area can come up with? Of all the freaks in Congress, excluding Cynthia McKinney perhaps, Kucich is the biggest freak we have up on the hill. He is a waste of tax payers money and an embarrassment to Congress. I saw his little gimick on the news where he read for two and a half hours, his charges against Bush. There were four people in the chamber as he was reading. Of the four on was texting the whole time, one was reading a magazine and one was sound asleep. This tells you what kind of respect this freak really has.

By AH

June 18, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

GOD bless George W. Bush and Richard Chaney.

Thank you for everything you have done for our county the past 7 years.

By Gigantus

June 18, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

What a pathetic joke. Bush haters have nothing better to do. They hate the fact that the President is a man of integrity, does what he says, has protected us all, won the war in Iraq, sent killers to commune with 72 virgins, was strong…and they want to get even for Clinton’s impeachment, which involved obstruction of a judicial inquiry. Your time’s running out, dem’s. Better hurry.

By Eric1

June 18, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

It’s about accountability. Bush and his buddies have not been held accountable for anything they’ve done. This has been the most secretive and corrupt administration of my lifetime. It makes me sick to think of all the garbage those gangsters have piled upon my country and in a few months they’ll all waltz into their priviledged, private lives smelling like French w*******. Impeachment should be the very least of their punishment. I’d like to see them all behind bars!

By Joe

June 18, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

Of course it’s pointless. He’s done nothing wrong. Only the far left cool aid drinkers are spewing all the ridiculous rhetoric that he lied us into war. If that is the case there’s many dems that should be impeached too…. They read the same intelligence Bush did and came to the same conclusion..

By Eric

June 18, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

I now see how easy it will be for the Anti-Christ to come and take over. The evidence to impeach Bush is all over the place, yet those loyal to him choose to ignore it. Wake up people. Soon all of our rights will be gone thanks to Republican tactics. Will you have such loyalty to the GOP then?

By jd

June 18, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

I’d rather see Bush, Cheney and the whole cabal on trial at the Hague, but this would be a good first step to show the world we understand the problem. Some of you are still confusing Afghanistan with Iraq. One was justified, the other gave the terrorists everything they ever wanted. OK, bush didn’t lie to a grand jury - but he lied to everyone else, like congress, you, me… the world. He told Time of his plans to remove Sadam before he was even elected. He didn’t get his cheap oil, but his buddies got even wealthier by his actions.

By jd

June 18, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

I’d rather see Bush, Cheney and the whole cabal on trial at the Hague, but this would be a good first step to show the world we understand the problem. Some of you are still confusing Afghanistan with Iraq. One was justified, the other gave the terrorists everything they ever wanted. OK, bush didn’t lie to a grand jury - but he lied to everyone else, like congress, you, me… the world. He told Time of his plans to remove Sadam before he was even elected. He didn’t get his cheap oil, but his buddies got even wealthier by his actions.

By jd

June 18, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

I’d rather see Bush, Cheney and the whole cabal on trial at the Hague, but this would be a good first step to show the world we understand the problem. Some of you are still confusing Afghanistan with Iraq. One was justified, the other gave the terrorists everything they ever wanted. OK, bush didn’t lie to a grand jury - but he lied to everyone else, like congress, you, me… the world. He told Time of his plans to remove Sadam before he was even elected. He didn’t get his cheap oil, but his buddies got even wealthier by his actions.

By catlady

June 18, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

Let’s talk about Clinton’s impeachment, Willie:

Were did you get your information? Are you sure it is accurate? Did you personally see these events take place or did the media or some foaming at the mouth Republicanl tell you

When the shoe is on the other foot it pinches, doesn’t it?

By NotUndertanding

June 18, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

I don’t understand why so many right wingers are still so loyal to this administration. They have set your movement back decades. They cherry picked the intel about Iraq and WMD (See Downing Street Memo) to make their case. They authorized torture and declared open war on basic civil rights like Habitués Corpus. Don’t forget that he tried to put his own personal lackey lawyer on the Supreme Court and showed indifference while New Orleans flooded. If I were a conservative I would be screaming for blood for what he did to the movement but all I see is blind loyalty. If you must be loyal, be loyal to your country not politicians and these particular politicians have done a whole lot to bring this country down a few pegs. They need to be held accountable for what they did to this country.

By GeoffDawg

June 18, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

How could one possibly know that an administration is the most secretive in his lifetime? By the nature of being secretive, you wouldn’t know what, if anything, they were hiding. Catch 22.

By fred

June 18, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

George W. Bush and Richard Chaney - thank you for everything you have done for our county the past 7 years…

Signed, the newly revived Democratic party.

By Heather

June 18, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

You guys thinking they should be impeached should read what they are being charged for, and it’s not just the Iraq war. (And btw, Clinton was the one who started the campaign to get Saddam out of power) Kucinich also added that he should be impeached for high gas prices, and Hurricane Katrina. Two things that the federal government have no control over. You’d hope a guy in the Senate would know enough about government to know that. It’s a waste of time, waste of taxpayers’ money. It’s been proposed about 30 times since Bush’s 2nd term and has been thrown out every time. What did the democrats say about the definition of insanity? “Keep doing the same thing to get the same results”. But who knows, maybe the 30th time will be the charm

By GeoffDawg

June 18, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

Wow, Eric sounds crazy. Is that what the dog told you?

By Eric

June 18, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

NotUnderstanding

You hit the nail on the head and buried it in the wood on the initial hit. Blind loyalty at its best.

By Old Snarky

June 18, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

Apparently Eric1 has had a very short life. It amazes me how the young people in this country are being so mislead by the dems. I only hope that when they grow up, they will see the truth and not be led around by the nose by a bunch of ignorant dems who will do anything, including lying, to get in the White House.

By GeoffDawg

June 18, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

NotUn, like I stated previously, I’m not crazy about Bush’s handling of social security, his failure to make the tax cuts permanent, his over the top spending habits, etc. but that doesn’t mean in any way that he hasn’t done what is correct and justifiable in defending this country against terrorism. You act with the best intelligence you have, not the intelligence that you wish you had. This talk about impeachment is absurd and the ajc is getting just what it wanted - to whip a bunch of people into a frenzy.

By Glenn Davis

June 18, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

“Were did you get your information? Are you sure it is accurate? Did you personally see these events take place or did the media or some friendly liberal tell you. Tell me! How accurate is you information.?”

You sound and spell like a typical uninformed neo-con. The evidence is pretty straight forward; there were no weapons of mass destruction which was the premise the Bush Administration used to wage war on the country of Iraq. The evidence is straight forward that they violated the rules of the Geneva Convention and their mistreatment of P.O.W’s or enemy combatants (same thing just worded differently).

Bill Clinton was impeached because some woman performed f****** on him and he lied about it, plain and simple. But nobody died from Bill Clintons lie.

Bush on the other hand used the innocent lives of Americans to over throw a government and then lied about his reasons for doing so. Should he and Cheney get impeached? yeap. Is it pointless to impreach them now? yeap. Will they get away with murder? yeap. Is he a hero to so many clueless Americans following a politcal ideology? yeap. Is this whole topic pointless because nothing will ever happen to Bush and his crew? yeap.

By Eric

June 18, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

GeoffDawg

Yeah I am crazy with the truth. You should try it somtime.

By Do It!

June 18, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

To all of those who say the dems read the same intelligence - I am a dem and I fought as loud as I could that this was wrong. You wouldn’t listen - you kept your head in the sand because you didn’t want to believe your precious Bush would do something so bad. Guess what - 4,100 are now dead because Bush and Cheney don’t care what you say or think. As far as Iraq wanting us there - why are they now going to congress to have a bill passed that will force the U.S. OUT of Iraq if they want us there so bad? Those who think Bush has done no wrong have their fingers in their ears, hand over their eyes, and palm over their mouth. You are puppets for an administration that has caused this country far more harm than any we have ever had and you need to get your head out of the sand with poison in the White House. Impeach him now - so this country never forgets how bad he is!

By WhitneyH

June 18, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

Crack is Whack!!!!

By jd

June 18, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

Sorry for the multiple posts. It kept saying the post didn’t go through…

By Lefty

June 18, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

The Democrats have called our President a liar for over 7 years. I hope that if Obama is elected they will give us equal time. But, of course they are never wrong. If I had the likes of Kennedy, Reid, Waters, Dodd, and Kucinich in my party, I wouldn’t say a word about anybody lying..

By GeoffDawg

June 18, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

Nice come back Eric. You can really fire out those zingers.

Also, just so we’re all on the same page, Bush did not lie about WMDs. He used the same intelligence that the everyone else agreed at the time was accurate and reliable. Beyond that we know 1. Some WMDs actually were found (just not the large stockpiles they were searching for) and 2. We know as an undisputed fact that they exist. They were used by Saddam against Iran and against his own people and this is a hard, documented fact. The problem lies in that he obfuscated the issued with the UN inspectors for years and never accounted for their reconciliation.

If you were to look at it like the US is the ATF and Iraq is some extremist compound and we know for a fact that they have stockpiles of destructive weapons yet they refuse to allow a lawful search warrant to be executed, what do you think should be done about it? Should we just take their word that they don’t exist or would we storm the compound? It’s a very clear parallel.

By Candi

June 18, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

For those reciting “Bush lied, people died. Clinton lied and nobody died”: Clinton did more than just lie under oath. He stole money from taxpayers, put his corrupt friends in political positions & fired existing employees just to get his friends in, tried to appoint his wife into a position, ignored Osama bin Ladin, sexually harrassed female employees (possibly raping one of them), hid & destroyed documents, either killed or got someone killed who knew too much, and the list goes on and on. People die in war. It’s sad, but true. More people die in the U.S. everyday than the men and women in Iraq. Saddam always had us in his sights, or do you forget the Iraq War in the 90’s? He even admitted that he had planned to manufacture WMD’s after we left him alone and there’s evidence that he destroyed what he had when we started going in there. He’s not an idiot. But the democrats like to think he was totally innocent and we attack him for no reason. There is Al Queda in Iraq. Remember Al Queda? Those guys who attacked us? And where would you rather we fought them - in Iraq in their home turf or wait for them to come over here and attack them on the streets of New York? If you vote for the latter, I ensure you that more Americans would die, and not just soldiers. You think its a coincedence that we haven’t had another attack since 2001? Bush may not have done everything right (his spending habits for one are atroucious) but he did what he believed was right - not for popularity, not for glory. He wasn’t a poll-watcher like Clinton, Kerry and Obama. He didn’t change his stance based on the polls. That takes a lot of courage and conviction. That’s the kind of traits we need in a leader. It’s not “blind loyalty”. I may not agree with everything he’s done and said, but I’m proud of what he has done to protect this country from threat. That’s coming from a non-republican.

By Grandfather

June 18, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

I tell you what….why don’t we stop having Presidents and let the newspaper editorial boards run the country. I fought for you to have the right of freedom of speech not freedom to be a moron.

By kimmer

June 18, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

Impeached for what crime? Disagreeing with a president’s policies, even if they result in military deaths, isn’t against the law. Especially since the Congress AUTHORIZED that same policy.

Perjury IS against the law, even if it is about sex.

One may consider the policies as more aggregious than perjury & that’s your perogative but impeachment is not intended to be used for that purpose.

By Gigantus

June 18, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

It’s so much fun riling up the dem’s…they can see the truth (see recent Senate inquiry) that Bush acted on intelligence that was substantially justifiable…if it weren’t for the bogey-man WMD stuff, they’d think of something, anything to get Bush. But he is above all that now, and will be remembered well by History as a defender of Western Civilization. So there.

By DumbAmericans

June 18, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

That treasonous clown impersonating a president should get the death penalty.

It says a lot about the type of people who live in this country when you realize that people actually voted for this jackass.

By Willie

June 18, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

Catlady: Bill and Monica confessed! Did you get the memo?

By Eric

June 18, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

GeoffDawg

Thank you for the compliment!

If evrything that you are talking about is so true about the WMD existence and the UN’s knowledge of their existence, why didn’t they just storm the compound right then and there. It makes no sense. Stay UP!

By Don't Understand

June 18, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

GeoffDawg: W. did not act on the intel he had. If you read the Downing Street Memos (Which Tony Blair says are legit) you will find that they fixed the intel around the policy instead of the other way around. They had already decided to invade Iraq well before the Spring of 2003 and ignored the intel that contrdicted their intentions. This alone should be grounds for impeachment.

By GeoffDawg

June 18, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

Stay UP? What does that even mean? Please take the mittens off when you type.

The reason why the compound wasn’t stormed right then and there is because the UN is a bunch of nancies. That’s why. You can disagree with my reasoning but you can’t change history.

By Willie

June 18, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

By DumbAmericans June 18, 2008 10:04 AM; You are so right! So I heard there are some good places in Europe just for your kind. You can have a Queen and all. I am sure they have the same values as you. You should be very happy there. Hurry! Oil has driven prices up too much. Oh you know thats because you do not want to use oil any longer. I understand but have a good life in Europe.

By Fix-It

June 18, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Believe me the Bush haters would have impeached Bush a long time ago, if they could. The problem is that this is NOT Bush’s war it is the congress and senate’s war also. The idiot liberal thinking is that Bush is to blame for the weather, well get over it. The democrats have to approve everything that Bush has done or will do. It takes a majority vote in both houses to approve military action. The reason they will not impeach is that they would be putting themselves on trail. I wish they would then the truth of their stupidity would come out. Why does everybody forget Bosnia? Clinton lost many Americans and killed many locals over there? Oh remember lobbing missiles into the Sudan, it amazes me the selective memory that the democrats have.

By Hmmmmm

June 18, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Candi,,,

WELL STATED! Enough said!

By Willie

June 18, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

By DumbAmericans June 18, 2008 10:04 AM; You are so right! So I heard there are some nice places in EUROPE just for you. The people are your kind of people and you can have a Queen. Wow! But you got to hurry the airline tickets are going skyhigh because you are going green and wont drill for oil and such. But have a great trip and dont forget to send us dumba$$ a postcard.

By chris

June 18, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

No, It would not be hypocritical for Congress to impeach Bush. Just like the rest of the American people, they were misled into thinking this war was a just cause. I say impeach him.

By GeoffDawg

June 18, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

I have to disagree with you there DontUn. The veracity of this memo is a very clouded issue. Blair for one stated that this had no bearing on the British’s decision to enter Iraq. Or are we saying that there was a massive global conspiracy at work given his supposed knowledge of this memo prior to even going to the UN? Also, the same memo discusses the possible use of WMDs which undermines the theory that this is a “smoking gun” of fabricating intelligence. The fact that the memo author thought the evidence was “thin” is just opinion, not fact and not one shared by the administration, many democratic leaders in Congress, and the British government.

By RealityKing

June 18, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

57 million people freed from the tryanny and oppression of a few. 2 brand new democracies formed and voted in by said 57 million people.

Yes! Let the mindless 110th liberal Congress, who have always been bogged down in partisan rancor, impeach the man responsible..

By Willie

June 18, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Candi….Wow! I like it. Are you taken? LOL

By Eric

June 18, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

GeoffDawg

I admire your blind loyalty but whole they had WMD’s and they just disappeared still make no sense. Why would someone work tirelessly the create WMD’s and then destroy them once the heat is on if he is hell bent on destruction? If the weapons were destroyed and Bush knew it, why did he attack?

Oh yeah, Stay UP!

By Eric1

June 18, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

I’ve lived through Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Shrub and without question Shrub is the worst. Secrecy? When the prez or the VP refuse to release information about energy policy meetings, when they invoke privilege at every turn, when they hide behind their office, they’re secretive. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure it out.

By GeoffDawg

June 18, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Analytical thinking may be a new skill for you Eric.

By Kory

June 18, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

This is ridiculous. First of all, Catlady, your nice little play on who told you “a foaming at the mouth republican” was great. Except in Clinton’s case it was two people on his own staff, so thank your loyal White House personnel for that debauchal. Impeaching President Bush would be the biggest circus this country has ever seen. Your going to impeach a government official for acting in accordance with the U.S. Congress. Yes, I understand that a lot of Democrats did not vote to go to war, but some of them did. So by using the logic I have seen here, everyone that looked at that intelligence should be on trial. As long as it is fair and everyone is held accountable, I am all for it. Lets waste more of the tax payers money on things that will get the country no where. Finally, can we please stop this garbage on tv about the 2000 election. I have seen that HBO show “Recount” and 5 documentaries in the last two weeks. It was almost 8 years ago, unless you have a time machine where you can go back and fix it, GET OVER IT. I don’t like how the Iraq war is going any more than the die-hard liberal next to me, but while we are there I am going to support it and the soldiers that are fighting.

By Kory

June 18, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

This is ridiculous. First of all, Catlady, your nice little play on who told you “a foaming at the mouth republican” was great. Except in Clinton’s case it was two people on his own staff, so thank your loyal White House personnel for that debauchal. Impeaching President Bush would be the biggest circus this country has ever seen. Youre going to impeach a government official for acting in accordance with the U.S. Congress. Yes, I understand that a lot of Democrats did not vote to go to war, but some of them did. So by using the logic I have seen here, everyone that looked at that intelligence should be on trial. As long as it is fair and everyone is held accountable, I am all for it. Lets waste more of the tax payers money on things that will get the country no where. Finally, can we please stop this garbage on tv about the 2000 election. I have seen that HBO show “Recount” and 5 documentaries in the last two weeks. It was almost 8 years ago, unless you have a time machine where you can go back and fix it, GET OVER IT. I don’t like how the Iraq war is going any more than the die-hard liberal next to me, but while we are there I am going to support it and the soldiers that are fighting.

By Bob Bales

June 18, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

I’m shocked at the ignorance. ALL of the reports coming out even now indicate that the administration acted on what it thought to be good intelligence. You can’t second guess after the fact. BTW, someone explain to me that if WMD’s were used against Iran, the Kurds and his own people that Iraq ‘didn’t have them’.

By Eric

June 18, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

You don’t need to analyze anything for facts when it is in plain view, GeoffDawg.

By Eric

June 18, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

GeoffDawg

I had fun playing catch with you. Got to go now. Sit! I will come back later.

By Manny

June 18, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

What’s is the impeachable offense? Is there evidence that Bush outright lied about CIA intelligence that led up to the war? Is secrecy an impeachable offense? Do you have undeniable proof that President Bush fabricated evidence?

The bottom line is this: There’s no undeniable evidence that you can present that will constitute spending the dollars and time that it will take to bring about an impeachment. There was clear evidence that Clinton lied, by his own admittance, even though his impeachment was frivolous and politically led, IMO.

But there’s no clear evidence of an impeachable offense. You can say that Bush did a bad job, or that he’s “The worst President, ever”, but those are not impeachable offenses. You can say that he “misled America” in the build up to the war, but if you don’t have any proof that he falsified documents, or fabricated evidence and gave that information to the American people, then you have no case. But if all you have is that he “Ignored contrary information”, there cannot be documented proof of that, unless you have videotape or audio recordings of Bush telling people that they are willfully ignoring the evidence, or suppressing and/or destroying that evidence.

But if someone merely is stating that they did that in some book or interview is hearsay, and not admissible.

And lastly, in 6 months, George W will not even be President.

By GeoffDawg

June 18, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

Apparently you do Eric when you obviously miss so much. You may want to check out some reading comprehension classes at your local community college.

By jasper

June 18, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

Bush lied:

babies cried, angels sighed, chicken fried, paint dried, hog tied, pony ride, tour guide, open wide, hang glide, blushing bride, port side, bona fide, mama tried, cross eyed, fanny slide, tanned hide, national pride, worlds collide, you decide.

By GeoffDawg

June 18, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

Don’t leave now Eric - ignorance is bliss and it was very pleasant having you around.

By W lovers are hypocrites

June 18, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

It’s pretty funny that you rednecks in this state that still treat W like the second coming of Christ when his administration is an absolute failure. I don’t use political parties to come up with opinions on this joke, just simple education. Quit sticking up for this guy just because you still have that crusty faded W bumper sticker on your car. 80% of America and an even higher majority of the planet know the he may go down as one of the worst leaders ever of a civilized nation. Wake up already, we’ve lost thousands of lives in a country that was no threat to us and is not going to change its religious, economic, and social beliefs for anyone. A guy who supposedly has insight on the oil industry(he did fail at that too) has been putting profits in the pockets of big oil companies while prices at the pump have tripled since he’s taken office. Unemployment rates are rising, businesses closing, and homes being foreclosed on at record rates. You talk about how tough he talks and how much action he takes, yet as these domestic issues get worse, the less we see of him in public dealing with the issues. The list goes on and these decisions, or lack of, have affected our daily lives. Say what you will about Clinton, but he sure as hell didn’t do anything too stupid that hurt how I live my life. You know damn well you’d be calling for his head if he was our current President. Don’t let the label Republican blind you anymore, use your brain and not your Bible when coming up with an opinion about Bush.

By CJ

June 18, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

If someone can show me a WMD from Iraq, then I’ll say no - don’t impeach Bush.

Now they’re saying that they acted based upon faulty intelligence. OK - how about an apology to everyone for acting on the bad intelligence?

“Mission Accomplished”, everyone! Weee!

By Pat

June 18, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Sure, trying to impeach Bush will probably fail, rile partisans and make the 08 race even nastier. But if we don’t impeach this President … who DO you impeach? Lies that killed thousands… the destruction of civil liberties guaranteed to by the Constitution Bush swore to defend … sanctioned torture, imprisonment without specified charges or trial… repeated refusals to testify under oath on matters from Cheney’s energy summit to 9/11…insertions of administrative propoganda into phony “newscasts” … continued campaigns to mislead the public and smear rivals, opponents and whistleblowers … intimidation of scientists in government jobs to follow Bush ideology … where do you start? If we aren’t willing to even TRY to impeach Bush and Cheney, we should just eliminate the impeachment clauses from the Constitution now. Having them is pointless.

By Eric

June 18, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

Yes I have to go GeoffDawg. You are right about ignorance and you contain retain alot of it.

By Get Real

June 18, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

He needs to be impeached for being a horrible wartime President if anything. Where is OBL? Thats what the entire War on Terror is right, finding him? Imagine what the Republicans would be saying if Al Gore had gone 7 years without finding the person that actually planned and committed 9/11. You Bush lovers have yet to realize that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Afghanistan should be the real war, but it is being completely ignored due to Iraq.

Bush and his cronies didn’t listen. There were never ANY WMDs found, and the war turned into bringing peace to Iraq. Now we can’t leave until we ‘win’ the war. I deserve to know exactly what that means since my tax dollars are going over there to fund everything. Damn infrastructure or any other domestic issues. He’s the worst President EVER, and you Republicon lovers would rather go down with a sinking ship than admit he screwed this up and should be tried for High Crimes and Misdemeanors. Ignoring intelligence that was against going for War is a crime.

By waste of time

June 18, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

It’s like preaching to the choir on here trying to tell a Bush lover that he’s made a ton of mistakes. W can have a primetime speech tonight addressing the nation and taking responsibility for his rap sheet of being a failure and you people would still applaud him. His followers believe in him no matter what. 9/11!!! Woooohooo!!!

By GeoffDawg

June 18, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

You’re so clever when you take what I say and repeat it back to me. Those debate classes were not for naught.

I contain retain?

By rc

June 18, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

hey geoffdawg, i have not read all posts, just curious have you served your country yet?

By Bush has to go...

June 18, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

Bush has thrown our Constitution out of the window. He has dissolved your freedoms to the point he can now spy on Americans right here at home with total disregard for warrants etc. He and his cronies have reduced our economy to a wasted shell of its former self. His friends at Haliburton and Blackwater have profited hugely from his war, while skimping on basic services and protection they are suppsoed to afford our troops. He has sent our brave men and women into a massive quagmire of his own making and yet he has no idea what real war is even like. So go ahead and praise your president who stands at a 24% approval rating as of today. It just points out your ignorance.

By Mr. R

June 18, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

Send Bush and Cheney over to their war of oil. They lied, they cheated thousands of family of loved one lives that were killed in result of their lies. The Bible says ” The devil comes to kill, steal and destroy.” I say IMPEACH!

By FoolheartyPeople

June 18, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

I’m amazed more and more every day just how STUPID amerikuns really are..

I don’t need to know anything, just a radio or TV jock to tell me what to think..

Use me, screw me. Take all I have, just don’t allow them queers to marry, give them minorities too much and kill the “ragheads”, I’m too darn afraid of ‘em..

Let my love for country be measured by whether or not I place a bumper sticker on my car that says “W”, “Support The Troops” or wear a flagpin.

Drape me ALL in that flag, just don’t show me on T.V. when it’s draped over my coffin.

Morons.

By GeoffDawg

June 18, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

rc, you obviously haven’t read all posts yet.

By ed from ga

June 18, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

For so many, Georgia remains GWB’s great state of denial.

Everybody had the same sexed-up intelligence that the Executive Branch allowed them to have. Anything to the contrary was buried or disregarded. King Boy George was the decider.

Impeaching this moron would be a waste of time. Perhaps some foreign government will kidnap him after his term is over and put him on trial. After all, according to Boy George’s rules, things like treaties, soverignty, and international law don’t matter, so he’s fair game.

You crackpot conservatives should go a day wiithout listening to Hannity and Limbo and read some objective reporting once in awhile.

By GeoffDawg

June 18, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

I find that simple minds are easily amazed foolhearty.

By GeoffDawg

June 18, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

Ed, do you mind listing who you consider to be “objective”?

By Rickster

June 18, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

NO ONE DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED!!!

By ed from ga

June 18, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

Geoff,

I say this with respect. I do mind because this is a very tired tactic that is overused by internet posters in trying to argue their incorrect or fallicious comments.

There are government reports, foreign newspapers, well-researched and documented articles and papers on these subjects, and they’re available to those willing to do their own legwork for their own edification. There are actually some entities that don’t have a dog in this fight, and they work to remain impartial. Seek them out. They do exist, but I’m not willing to do your homework for you.

By drego

June 18, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

i agree with most of the people here and those I don’t seem to have good point ( that is if I could hear more from them)HOWEVER! truth be told most people say he had balls for 9/11. I really don’t think so because no one remembered that time it happened he ran to the south then left went to the mid-west then to the heart land! then we were still left to deal with it ourselve. when the ghost was clear he came out of hiding and sent troops there to be hurt and killed.keep it mind we still haven’t caught him.so over all he just killed more people then 9/11. he is the worst presidents our country has ever had!HELL he been on vacation since he been in office. the flood victim in louisanna got call refugees and the people in IA got nothing.2 different place but still america and he did nothing but sit on his thumbs.the only good thing he did was send troops over there but at some point he should have brought them all home.when clinton was in office we didn’t have any on this. now bush want to talk about a good fight but remember in history some great presidents were in the war.impeach him and let the amreica people get all of our lives back on track!

By GeoffDawg

June 18, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

Ed, if you’re willing to throw someone under the bus, you should be willing to back up your assertions with comparative facts to support your argument. Not some nebulous “the truth is out there” doctrine.

I’m happy to discuss any issue with anyone calmly and reasonably so I’m not trying to be disrespectful towards you despite your “crackpot” remark and your desire to see the President kidnapped by a foreign power. However, it’s also a very common posting tactic to make unsubstantiated remarks without bothering to lay the foundation to support them. Philosophical differences are a matter of opinion. Facts which are in dispute should be verified.

By jasper

June 18, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

Let’s not stop with Bush. Let’s impeach every member of congress who ratified the treaty for war. They are just as much culpable. Since we’re all gung ho at sending a message, make it one that counts. We will also need to overhaul the US, British and Russian intelligence agencies. Talk about your underachievers.

You libbies have got to make up your mind. Is Bush stupid and incompetent, or smart enough to single-handedly convince so many into going to war. We all had mixed feelings about going into Iraq, but if it had gone the way we wanted, we’d be feeling pretty good about it now. It didn’t and we don’t and narrow minded people want to put all of the blame on one person.

By ed from ga

June 18, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

Geoff,

It’s not a nebulous statement. It’s saying do your own homework and you’ll find, at the very least, the incontravertable facts that Bush Co. intentionally misled the American public about the threat to American posed by Iran, and Saddam’s connection to Al-Queda.

You’ve made statements about the existence of WMDs and the Downing Street report with no attribution, and have portrayed them as facts. Sources, please.

Also, I have no desire to see Bush kidnappped, but considering his views on international law (and our own laws for that matter), some country may feel justified in thinking the same way and decide to scoop up Boy George and charge him with war crimes. That’s the precedent his administration set. If Guantanamo is the standard, he’ll just be gulaged and never charged at all.

As far as the “crackpot conservative” comment, it’s think it’s high time that those who refer to the “loony left” or “moronic libs” are endowed with their own well deserved perjorative. Judging from your posts, crackpot doesn’t seem to apply to you, and I meant no offense to you personally.

By j-girl

June 18, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

What’s the point. You all voted him back into office. Congress voted for the war. Congress continues to fund the war. Our troops will not be coming home any sooner if we do try to impeach him. The US is already in a downward spiral. Let’s see what else Bush can do to completely destroy the economy, kill our solders, and give money away that we do NOT have. Remember, this is what you all voted for.

By Kim

June 18, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

“the President is a man of integrity” — this made me laugh so hard I cried.

“The reason why the compound wasn’t stormed right then and there is because the UN is a bunch of nancies. That’s why. You can disagree with my reasoning but you can’t change history.” — Nancies? Nice. You can’t change history? That’s what you cons have done with Ronnie & no doubt will do with Dumbo. “but while we are there I am going to support it and the soldiers that are fighting” — PLEASE tell me how you support the soldiers.

“You know damn well you’d be calling for his head if he was our current President.” — are you kidding? He would have been impeached YEARS ago & possibly hung

By Fix-It

June 18, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

I can’t help but laugh at the ignorance of the liberal democrats; they keep saying how Bush has the lowest rating of any president. There is one bunch of idiots that have an even lower rating, gee why not tell us who that is, oh come on; OK I will tell you “The Democratic run Congress” They will go down in history as being so bad that they make Bush look good. So please lets impeach congress!

By GA_Tiger Fan

June 18, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

This is all a joke….he will NOT be president for much longer, but the hate filled liberals want to try and tarnish him before he leaves. It’s funny how they preach peace all the time, yet truly hate anyone with a different opinion.

By Kim

June 18, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Yes, yes, it’s the liberals & democrats that are ignorant.

I don’t hate Bush because he has a different OPINION from me! I also don’t preach.

By Hmmmmm

June 18, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

The TRAGEDY here is how, We the People are fighting with each other, rather than focusing on our politicians who are in a world of their own! I will submit that both the republican and democratic party have lost touch with the “common American” or any American for that matter. What this country needs is a good old fashioned “FLUSHING” of ALL the politicians in Washington! Lets start over and put this Country back on the RIGHT track! Lets quit all the petty whining that goes on from both sides of the aisle. This is exactly what the democrats and the republicans want, a truly confused and divided voter base. Listen people, those politicians don’t care about you, they care about the power they have over you! Just my humble opinion, and nothing will probably ever change because we have all been brain washed to except status quo….

By ThaMan

June 18, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

Clintons 1st term: 4302 military deaths. No war. Bush’s 1st term: 5187 military deaths. War declared, Remember the USS Cole. 17 sailors dead. Clinton does nothing. Smoke on that, Rickster the sissy rhymster.

By Kim

June 18, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

I’m wondering why you don’t cite #s from both men’s terms. Hmmmmm. Bush = WORST PRESIDENT EVER. HATE

By Kim

June 18, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

Oh, wait, did you just call someone a sissy? How sad.

By ihateobama

June 18, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

Huh? Bush leaves office in 7 months, what is the point of impeaching him? Besides the fact that he has done nothing to merit it, this would be totally pointless because the man is almost out of office. Get a grip.

By bassman

June 18, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

Bush & Cheney are traitors, and as such should be impeached, tried for war crimes, and then sentenced to life without parole in maximum security prison.

They’ve broken nearly every law on the books, and the fact that they’re still at large is a supreme embarassment to the USA.

By DaveD

June 18, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

He should face a Jury In Iraq…maybe the same Jury Saddam faced. if found guilty of war crimes against humanity…he should face the same fate as Saddam. he’s killed more in a much shorter time.

Sissy who could not go fight a war when he had the chance, yet can send others in to harms way… there has NEVER been a bigger disgrace to this country than he. Actually…those that voted for him…are a MUCh bigger disgrace. Mostly if you voted for him a 2nd time.

i say hand him (and ALL the neocons) over to the Iraqi’s that have lost innocent relatives due to his call for war. Let them have their way with him.

ALL life is sacrid? What a joke! Not if you’re an innocent muslim living in Iraq. If you happen to get killed or seriously injured…hell..you’re nothing more than “collateral” damage… and worse…you’re not a “good” christian like him…

hand him over to the Iraqi courts…along with Dick, Rummy, Condi, Wolfie, etc… send them all over with 1 way tickets…

By ThaMan

June 18, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

Is sissy a bad word? I think HATE is much, much worse. And if you would read, I did cite from both men’s terms.

By js

June 18, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

It ain’t gonna happen. Put on your big girl panties and deal with it.

By Crafty

June 18, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

If Bush is impeached then we should imprison Hillary, Bill, Kerry, Edwards, Kennedy, and EVERY other Dem for signing for the war. Period.