Opinion Talk

By West Cobb Dad

June 17, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Leave it to the California court. Their reasoning on their ruling was justified, but not issuing an injunction on gay marriage was asinine. The majority of the people of that state, including the legislature voted no and made it a law. The court knew this, but instead of taking the commonsense approach and letting the people correct it with a constitutional admendment, they have created a charlie foxtrot. What is going to happen in November when an admendment is passed? Some gay “married” couples are going to sue saying it isn’t fair? We were married but now it is illegal? Courts do injunctions all the time. This one apparently was smoking too much when they rufused this time.

By CommunistAJC

June 17, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

California residents voted down gay marriage. The court ruled in favor of it. My thoughts are that the people have spoken and that should be it. Don’t understand calling it gay marriage when the dictionary clearly says its between a man and a woman. No procreation involved. Just my take.

By Tatman

June 17, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

Check your facts West Cobb Dad. The majority of Californians, nor the legislature of the state, did not vote no or make it a law. The ruling is based solely on the state constitution. Further, poll after poll has shown that a clear majority of californians approve of same sex marriage, or at the very least care not who gets married. The reality is that it is just a matter of time before these marriages will be recognized in every state as valid and equal. Now, if we can only get those who already have the right to marry to at least get somewhere near a 50% success rate.

By sandy

June 17, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

Marriage should be between two concenting adults. What right does the government (or your neighbor) have to tell you who it’s ok for you to love and want to spend the rest of your life with? By the way I am a hetro married for 20+ years.

By Wow

June 17, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

Approve of marriage for all or not (I hate the term gay marriage), denying rights to one group by enshrining it in a constitution is a slippery path.

Marriage, in its basic form, is a contract between two individuals to share their lives, assets and whatever else they choose between them. Religion has sanctified marriage stating that in the eyes of God that two people are joined as one.

Personally I don’t see why the religious backers can’t understand that for legal reasons marriage is a big plus for gay folks. They (religious) state that marriage is an institution not to be torn asunder by gays but straight folks get divorces all the time, sometime on the quick and quiet, i.e. GA House Speaker.

Live and live, let the Almighty be the judge and concern yourselves with your own lives and loved ones.

By CommunistAJC

June 17, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

Tatman, Last time I checked the voters voted it down. Same in 13 other states in 04. People know it’s a bad idea. Your polls are meaningless when actual voters vote it down. Where does it stop? Do we allow people to marry animals and trees? It’s a ridiculous idea.

By J

June 17, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

Communist there is nothing analogous between same-sex couples and people marrying animals or trees. What kind of logic is that?

The courts have long been instruments of change. If it wasn’t for some brave judges, blacks and whites would still be attending seperate schools. Regardless of your opinions on homosexuality, it is really an individual choice, not something you or I can dictate. Why shouldn’t same-sex couples be allowed to marry?

By Wow

June 17, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

CommunistAJC : That is the stupidest, most ignorant, argument that I heard in a while, at least since 2004 when the Republicans and religious right raised their voices skyward and said that if gays marry, soon people will want to marry their dogs and cats and houseplants.

The Republicans (I used to be one) always make the dumbest arguments when it comes to this subject. It reminds me of the fear mongering the NAZI’s did in order to get Hitler appointed Chancellor of Germany.

Please make a argument backed up by facts. By the way, courts do strike down laws deemed unconstitutional as it did when they ruled banning interracial marriages unconstitutional.

By amused

June 17, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

Sure CommunistAJC, we all know that animals and trees have legal rights.

But if you’ve got more strawman arguments for denying two people their legal rights, I’d love another laugh.

By So what?

June 17, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

I remember when voters were dead set against different races marrying or even attending the same schools. The courts defended the rights of the minority to be equal and that was that… 40 years later and all is well with the world.

I see no valid reason why gay people cannot share in the same GOVERNMENT sanctioned benefits that straight married couples enjoy. There has been no adverse affect on the straight marriages of Massachusetts. Gay marriage has been allowed for several years and straight marriages have not fallen apart because of that.

And as far as the procreation argument… are you telling me the only reason straight people are allowed to marry is to have children? What if they cannot or chose not to… is their marriage any less valid?

And the argument about people marrying their dogs? You are just being totally stupid. That argument is sooooo 8th grade.

The truth of the matter is that those who are against gay marriage are actually against gay people. You want to make them suffer for being gay.

By sane jane

June 17, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

CommunistAJC, if “no procreation is involved”, do you think hetero couples who can’t (or don’t want to) have children should not get married?

And please, the whole “Do we allow people to marry trees” argument is ridiculous. We’re talking about equal rights for citizens. Get a grip.

By CommunistAJC

June 17, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

Wow, Yeah, it was only a matter of time before the nazi comment came up. Same old garbage from libs. People have voted on the issue and voted it down. Pretty simple.

amused, actually, according to environmentalists and animal rights groups they both do.

By sane jane

June 17, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

Let’s also point out that the familiar conservative war cry of “small government” totally evaporates when it’s THEIR “morals” they’d like to impose others.

For those of you sincerely wanting to “protect the sanctity of marriage”, I would direct your attention to a 50% (hetero) divorce rate. Kind of overshadows the handful of homos who want to get hitched, no?

By CommunistAJC

June 17, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

sane jane, question 1: maybe, depends on their intention. Love, money or convenience. People get married for all the wrong reasons. Has nothing to do with gay marriage or lack of.

part 2: marrying animals and trees? not really too ridiculous because there have been attempts.

Get a grip? I’m quite alright. Thanks

By Like it is...

June 17, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

Do trees and dogs pay taxes? Think not. Case closed. You have not one valid argument, Communist.

Except of course for the fact that the only reason that you do not want gay people to marry is that you do not like gay people. And it has been my experience that those who fight the loudest and hardest against gays have something to hide themselves.

Just sayin’

By capain

June 17, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

Marriage is between a man and a woman. PERIOD.

By sane jane

June 17, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

Communist AJC, just out of curiosity, what is your personal opposition to gay marriage?

Just curious.

As for your questions, let’s say their intention is “love and companionship” - but no kids. Do you say no to this form of hetero marriage?

And I’m not interested in getting into any flame wars - no “nazi” name calling, no “silly lib” generalities. I’d sincerely like to understand the rationale behind the positions you’re taking here.

Thanks.

By CommunistAJC

June 17, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Like it is…, Sorry to burst your bubble but I’m happily married home slice.

By Common Sense

June 17, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

It seems to me that the sticking point here is the word “marriage”. Those who disagree with the gay lifestyle (whether it is actually a choice or not) feel like they are having the acceptance of said lifestyle forced down their throats when they hear the words “gay marriage”. So here’s my suggestion: Let what was formerly referred to as a “certificate of marriage” by the government now be referred to as a “certificate of civil union”. If people want to enter into such an agreement to cohabitate (whether the relationship is sexual or not) in order to reap the legal advantages (and disadvantages, because there are some), then that should be their own business. If those two parties want to publicly refer to themselves as “married”, then so be it. Whether or not I agree to recognize such as a “marriage” is likewise left to my own personal beliefs, as long as I do not interfere with their legal rights. In any case, if one is religious then one usually believes that the marriage is sanctioned by their deity of choice, not by the government. And anyone who worships government as the highest authority over them deserves what they get.

By CommunistAJC

June 17, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Like it is…, So just because someone pays taxes, it gives them the right to do whatever? Okay, well, if we play that argument I could go out and freely rob a bank or run down a pedestrian. This argument is never ending. Paying taxes has nothing to do with marriage. Period. No, I’m not a fan of the gay lifestyle. Doesn’t do anything for me.

By sane jane

June 17, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Capain, thanks for your articulate & well-reasoned position. It all makes sense now.

Got anything substantive to add?

By CommunistAJC

June 17, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

sane jane, My opposition to gay marriage has more to do with confusion in society. Yeah, a lot of people should not marry. I am totally against divorce if can be helped. Churches will be affected by it also. Here’s how. Say a preacher doesn’t believe in it and therefore refuses to allow it to take place at his/her church. The church would be brought in to court and the media would have a hay day with ridiculing that preacher and church. That’s my problem with it. If gays want to be gay, fine. Don’t care. But don’t rewrite what was naturally intended to be between a man and a woman. It’s a distortion.

Question 2: Nope not at all. My point is that people often get married out of “convenience” instead of love.

Hope I’ve answered you questions and thanks for taking the high road in not name calling.

By Derick

June 17, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Discrimination should NEVER be written into a Constitution….. We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal.

By sane jane

June 17, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

No one is actually going to make YOU get gay-married, Comm. So it’s ok if it “doesn’t do anything” for you.

Just curious why you’re so adamant about infringing on the rights of others to do what you do.

And I don’t think the “taxes” comment was intended to suggest that “taxpayers can do whatever they want.” I think the point was “taxpayers are all afforded equal protection under the Constitution” - something trees & pets don’t do & don’t have.

By Like it is...

June 17, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Paying taxes has everything to do with marriage… why do you think you and your lovely wife (I presume) get a break on your taxes for being married… Problem with brick walls like you is that you do not think before you post.

By rjh

June 17, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

If we are going to deny certain individuals civil liberties (i.e., marriage) that are guranteed to others, let’s be fair about it. If gay individuals are not allowed the legal and financial benefits of marriage, maybe they shouldn’t be required to pay as much in taxes as the rest of us. Less rights, less taxes. And for the heterosexuals out there complaining that same-sex marriages will ruin the institution of marriage…think again. WE, the heterosexuals, are the ones ruining marriage with our 50%+ divorce rates, domestic violence, and horrible parenting skills. Way to go hetero’s!! We are such fine examples…NOT!!

By Josh

June 17, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

They were named Adam and Eve…not Adam and Steve. Marriage should be between one man and one woman. PERIOD!

By capain

June 17, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

sane jane, glad you like my assessment. Nothing more needs to be said on this matter. The southern states will never allow gay marriage. So let New York, Mass., and California do what they want.

By rjh

June 17, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

And to CommunistAJC… it is clear that you are a huge homophobe. How can you relate same-sex marriage to robbing banks, etc.? Funny thing is, if you look at the research you’ll find that most gay folks have higher education and larger salaries than the straight folks. Go figure.

By sane jane

June 17, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

I think the preacher (or larger religious organization) has every right to set the terms under which they will or won’t perform wedding ceremonies. Catholics have been doing it for years (not ringing the bells if one of them is a non-Catholic; refusing the ceremony outright when there’s no pre-marital counseling, etc.) and they’ve managed to avoid litigation & media scrutiny for those decisions.

Besides, I’m a little confused because we’re talking about Californians’ marriages being recognized by the government.

I don’t see anywhere in this ruling that actually forces churches to marry individuals against their will. It simply recognizes and affords the protection for those that do.

If a preacher wants to rail against the evils of gay marriage, I see no problem with that. To borrow a economic phrase from the conservative playbook, shouldn’t we “let the market decide”?

If that preacher’s flock is ok with his (and the church’s) position against gay marriage, it will be reflected in the congregation. I sincerely doubt homos are going to attend (much less want to be married by) a church that doesn’t want them.

Enjoying the civil discourse, btw. Let’s keep it up.

By rjh

June 17, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

To CommunistAJC and Josh - guess what? your member will not shrink if gays are allowed to marry. I promise.

By Wow

June 17, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

CommunistAJC : I am so sorry if you thought I was calling you a NAZI. I wasn’t calling anyone a NAZI, I was trying to make a point referring to the actions of the NAZI’s and writing discriminatory language actions into laws or constitutions.

By the way, I am not a liberal or a conservative, not a Republican or Democrat. I believe that the government, state or federal, has no right to tell me who I can marry, that I cannot drink on Sunday and cannot smoke in a bar.

No one is forcing gay marriage on you or forcing you to accept the “gay lifestyle”, whatever that is. I hate it when I see a man and woman all over one another but I walk on and live and let live.

By Epiphany

June 17, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

It only takes an issue like gay marriage to quickly remind me of the incredible capacity for hate imbued in my fellow man. Sad, very sad indeed.

By LawGuy1

June 17, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

The argument that preachers would be forced to marry gay people is a fallacy. No church is commanded by law to marry anyone for any reason. I know of straight people who have been turned away from a church for marriage because they were already living together and the preacher thought that was sinful so he said no. Guess what? They just went and found a church that would marry them. There was no lawsuit because there was no legal leg to stand on. So this argument needs to be taken off of the table. It is not true and is just a red herring to scare people.

By jimbo

June 17, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

Most of you people are missing the point. This is NOT a democracy, it’s a constitutional republic. People DO NOT have the right to deny the rights of others regardless of the opinion of the majority. If I got a majority of people to agree that I should cut your tongue out as a service to society does that make it right? No. If you don’t agree or approve of gay marriage and you’re a man DON’T MARRY A MAN, if you’re a woman, DON’T MARRY A WOMAN, but for you to step into another adult’s life and mandate what they can or can’t do because you disagree is fundamentally at odds with what this nation stands for. Now, I’m waiting for the straw man argument “BUT WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE? AT ANIMALS? AT CHILDREN?” Well the law has an answer for you by defining what or who is considered a consenting adult.

If people in this country minded their own business and tended to their own concerns then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

By Common Sense

June 17, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

Like it is,

The idea that all married couples get a tax break is simply untrue. It’s probably true if you have children. However, if you do not, then you basically get penalized for being married. I know this for a fact because I happen to be married with no kids. Let’s say that both of you make $25,000 a year. Instead of each of you getting taxed individually on your earnings of $25,000, you get taxed on $50,000 almost as if you are a single person. I believe it is slightly lower than a single person making $50,000, but it’s still higher than the tax rate you would pay on my $25,000 if you were single. Any way you look at it, that’s not a tax break, that’s a penalty. And since most gay couples are unlikely to have children, they’re in for a real shock if they think that being married will save them money. And no, contrary to popular belief, two people most definitely do NOT live as cheaply as one.

By Fred

June 17, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

Oh well…Once again, leftists legislate through the courts. Nothing ever changes.

By Josh

June 17, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

To everyone who is defending this sin of gay marriage, where are you going when you die? I know i’ll be in heaven with the Lord.

By Definition

June 17, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

Marriage — The legal status, condition, or relationship that results from a contract by which one man and one woman, who have the capacity to enter into such an agreement, mutually promise to live together in the relationship of Husband and Wife in law for life, or until the legal termination of the relationship.

Marriage is a legally sanctioned contract between a man and a woman. Entering into a marriage contract changes the legal status of both parties, giving husband and wife new rights and obligations. Public policy is strongly in favor of marriage based on the belief that it preserves the family unit. Traditionally, marriage has been viewed as vital to the preservation of morals and civilization.

By Jay

June 17, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

You are forgetting an important tax benefit for married couples: One spouse can inherit from another spouse tax-free.

By PC

June 17, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

Yet another example of PC contributing to the downfall of our society…

By jimbo

June 17, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

Josh, you won’t be in heaven because you ate that bacon this morning.. and shell fish and you didn’t stone that thief. You can’t pick or choose your right or wrong if you go with biblical law, if you buy one law you buy the whole enchilada.

As for me, I’m not committing the sin of gay marriage I’m treasuring god’s gift of free will by allowing my fellow man to make their bed so they can lie in it in the next life.

Last I checked Jesus never set up a religious state.. or even a religion. Just the idea that we could all be forgiven.

By jimbo

June 17, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

I know PC, right? Contributing to the fall of society..

Just like freeing the slaves.. or letting them vote.. .or letting women vote… or de-segregation…

collapse of society man.. it’s been coming for 150 years… still coming…

By Civics Lesson

June 17, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

It is amazing to me when people, particularly the right, begin to caterwaul about “the people voted for it so it should be law.” I suppose this ignorance is owed to a basic lack of understanding of the realities of this form of government and a lack of any genuine foresight.

The courts in this country are not guided by what the majority of people desire; they are guided by the principles of justice. While there are valid arguments on both sides of the “strict construction” argument there should be no misconception regarding the fact that legal decisions guided by popular opinion would lead to disaster. The form of government we enjoy was designed to protect the minority view from the tyranny of the majority. It is for that very reason, among others, that justice wears a blindfold. It is not necessarily activism when the court overturns a popular or voted upon law, although I suppose it can be. More often than not it is a courts recognition that somehow, somewhere the rights of a valid minority are being or could be infringed upon. (And please note that I am not wishing to explore the validity of homosexuals as a minority. I am simply commenting on the view that if the majority wants it, they should get it. ) It seems judicial activism in today’s parlance means a court that rules against a position the speaker holds dear, and that sad fact is crowed about by politicos of both colors.

As for foresight, the majority as it stands now should spend some time looking into the future and realize that the demographics in this great country are changing. The majority of today is the minority of tomorrow. And there are few things capable of wreaking more havoc than a formerly aggrieved minority that suddenly finds itself in the majority.

By CJ

June 17, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

God bless California! Our Constitution states that all men are created equal, therefore we gays deserve every right that you straights have.

For those of you who would like to tell me to “move to California if you don’t like it here”… I should not have to move in order to enjoy the same rights as everyone else. I wouldn’t dare ask anyone to leave their family, home and career in order to pursue something that should be available to all; that is absurd!

Almost everyone who is opposed to gay marriage has enjoyed every right and freedom, because the average straight person may marry, worship, adopt, and enjoy every other facet of family life relatively undisturbed. If someone dared take any of those rights away from you, you would probably implode.

Gay marriage is a statement of equal rights for all people. Two consenting adults of any gender, race, or age should be allowed to marry and enjoy the benefits of marriage without fear of prejudice.

By MoonBeam

June 17, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

I have been secretly married to my cat, jimbob for 13 years. I’m just waiting for society to catch up with my. Actually, it’s not all it’s cracked up to be, jimbob has a hell of an attitude problem just lies around all day watching Oprah.

By Josh

June 17, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

CJ: gay marriage isnt a statement of equal rights…gay marriage is a statement of sin! PERIOD!

By Fred

June 17, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

Josh,

Let those who are without sin cast the first stone. PERIOD. Time to look in the mirror, buddy. You want to judge someone, judge your own heart. Get it right for 33 years straight, live a perfect life, then come around turning over everyone’s tables….

By CommunistAJC

June 17, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

rjh, You totally missed my point. But thanks for trying.

By jimbo

June 17, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

Hey Josh, good thing a free people has freedom of religious expression. Which means you can believe that with all your heart, but.. I don’t have to believe that at all. I can believe in the Hindu pantheon or that Lenin is god or that my dead ancestors or god and that’s just as correct and right in the eyes of the law as what you believe. Legally, your beliefs shouldn’t infringe on my beliefs and my beliefs shouldn’t infringe on your beliefs and regardless of what you think infringement is it’s not you getting your way because things you see other people doing offends you.

By R

June 17, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

Thank you Civics Lesson. You are 100% correct. Hopefully your post will educate some of the poeple on this blog today.

By songbird

June 17, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

Josh - you get the award for biggest dumba$$ today on this blog today.

By reebok

June 17, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

Arguments against gay marriage are the same nonsense spewed 50 years ago about interracial relationships. I’m heterosexual and married for 25 years. How exactly am I harmed if the committed gay couple next door want a wedding and a marriage instead of a domestic partnership? By the way, history nuts, the ‘traditional’ man/woman marriage has only existed for about 175 years…before that, women were not equals under the law, they were more like property. And BTW, in bibilcal times, respectable men had multiple wives as well as mistresses.

By songbird

June 17, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

oops, too many today’s in my post. my bad

By jasper

June 17, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

What’s the freaking big deal. Let it happen, just don’t call it Marriage. Have the legal rights but a different description. The term “marriage”, legal or otherwise is taken, so come up with something on your own. You gay folk are supposed to be creative, right? Surprise us.

By mom

June 17, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

I just wonder how many of you have loved ones or friends that are (or could be) gay. My son came to me while he was in high school and told me he was. I would fight anyone for his right to do whatever anyone else is legally able to do. And God doesn’t love him any less. My God is a loving God.

By mom

June 17, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

I just wonder how many of you have loved ones or friends that are (or could be) gay. My son came to me while he was in high school and told me he was. I would fight anyone for his right to do whatever anyone else is legally able to do. And God doesn’t love him any less. My God is a loving God.

By mom

June 17, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

I just wonder how many of you have loved ones or friends that are (or could be) gay. My son came to me while he was in high school and told me he was. I would fight anyone for his right to do whatever anyone else is legally able to do. And God doesn’t love him any less. My God is a loving God.

By JeepersCreepers

June 17, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

If gay marriage is legal and accepted then in my belief the United States will be conquered by a foreign power.(that will get your college liberals and atheists going.) It is in my religious history. Regardless of what the people do, the country will fall due to the leaders accepting this crap. I believe it and you can not change my religion nor my vote. Only a progessive liberal thinks this way and their way is just a short trip to doom. Homosexuality is vile disgusting behavior.

By Tom

June 17, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

Reading these posts, it is everything I expected. For, against, indifferent, and then there’s the people who feel it necessary to insult their “enemy” on either side. I was sad to see this happen in California. I am not against the homosexual, I am against the sin of homosexuality. The Bible is very clear on this. however people don’t want to beleive it. The christian attitude should be that of love towards others no matter what their sexual orientation because that orientation is seperate from who they are, which are children of God. It saddens me when I hear a supposed christian bashing a person because they are gay. That’s not Godly. What is Godly is to hate the sin but love the sinner, just exactly as the Lord Jesus does, who has forgiven my every sin as well as the ones I have yet to commit. He is graceful that way. I work with a lot of homosexual people right now and I truly respect them for their positions in the workplace. I would rather work with them than without them, not because they are gay, but because they are good people and good at their jobs and I respect them and enjoy being around them just as much as any other co-worker. This sin has accomplished exactly what any sin attempts to accomplish, it divides people and subsequently divides souls. God has truly blessed this country and everyone living in it. I beleive His hand is upon the U.S.A. But if we keep spitting in His face and allowing abortion, profanity, homosexuality..etc He will hand us over to those things and to the sin we so desperately fight for everyday to have the right to consume. Wake up people, this isn’t about a lifestyle. It isn’t about rights. It truly is about the consequences of sin.

By john n

June 17, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

The real issue for the fundies is they need a boogieman to blame the poor record of success in “straight” marriages.

Who is the victim, who is going to get hurt? Are you going to be like that blowhard Santorum and actually claim that a gay marriage will harm your own? Members of the freak-out brigades, are that weak in your marital relation that you’re scared what another couple wants to do?

As for the voting thing, as usual, it’s typical blowhard claptrap, not understanding how our country works. The courts can strike down an unconstitutional law. Of course, we know a Constitution usually gets in the way of what the Religious Right wants to do.

By CommunistAJC

June 17, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

mom, Are you saying that God is tolerant of Gays? Just curious. Not trying to make you mad. I’d just like to know where you get your thoughts on God. Whether from a Bible or some preacher.

By jeeperscreepers

June 17, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

MOM…I hope you are not referring to the same God I worship!!! if so YOU ARE WRONG!!!

By Californication

June 17, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

I can’t wait for the California ruling on interspecies marriage. I am so tired hiding my love for BaaarBraaaa. Soon my sheep and I can hold our heads up, I will be able to hold her hoof in public, and be proud. California you are the leader we all have been looking for.

By comp133xi7y

June 17, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Jeepey, the Constitution allows you to believe what you choose. However, it also allows me to call you a primitive, uneducated hick whose superstitions are about as rational as those of primitive man cowering in fear from an eclipse.

The Constitution allows me to point our your post to my friends, who will join me in ridiculing you, your family, and anyone who agrees with you. The great 1st Ammendment guarantees me the right to share your post with my American friends currently living in other parts of the world, who will roll their eyes at the utter stupidity that is you, and bemoan that, yet again, a Southern religious fanatic has managed to make the United States look like a haven of fools.

It’s amazing that idiots like you manage to survive past high school. Ah well, thank God for McDonalds, Shop Class and the Welfare State.

By AlG

June 17, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Gay marriage is just fine, as long as polygamy is just as fine, marrying your adult sister is just as fine, and marrying your adult daughter is just as fine. After all, loving consensuality is the only test, right? Who needs thousands of years of tradition and pesky old moral codes.

By jimbo

June 17, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Jeepers I can’t convince you to change your mind and your opinion is yours. I do take personal offense at this comment here: “Only a progessive liberal thinks this way and their way is just a short trip to doom.”

I own more guns than some police forces. I typically vote republican and I am strongly pro-business. I’m a middle class capitalist and I like beer, single malt whisky, and I have a humidor that grows better and better over time. I like fast cars and old trucks and rock and roll and I eat steak. There’s nothing like a wood burning stove to warm a house.. and I’ll provide for my own healthcare, thank you.

But one thing I won’t abide by under any circumstances is to live in a country where the “freaks” or the “weirdos” don’t get their say and can’t live their lives as they choose. This country was made for them, just like it was made for you and me. To me your point of view is as deviant as theirs is to you. To me, your view is as deviant as that of a Maoist communist or a Taliban commander. Your allowed you opinion and by god vote for it, but understand that if your opinion becomes law this country is lost. If attitudes like yours prevail this country can only fall into the dark pit of tyranny, lord knows it’s already well enough on its way.

By Georgian-by-birth

June 17, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Yes CommunistAJC, the God I believe in and worship loves all of his children. No matter if they are gay or hate people simply because they are gay. So don’t worry, he loves you too.

By Copyleft

June 17, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

The only threat to hetero marriage is hetero divorce. As soon as every straight couple in America is 100% perfect, they’ll be in a position to pass judgment on gay couples.

By mom

June 17, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Jeeperscreepers: I said my God is a loving God. Is that a different God from yours?

CommunistAJC: It’s not for us to decide for or against Gays. I was raised by extremely religious grandparents - went to church every time the doors were opened. I believe God loves everyone and expects us to do the same.

I have to say also, I have never been around a more caring, sincere, extremely funny, honest group of people than the gay folk. They’re alot more pleasant than most straight people.

By mom

June 17, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

Jeeperscreepers: I said my God is a loving God. Is that a different God from yours?

CommunistAJC: It’s not for us to decide for or against Gays. I was raised by extremely religious grandparents - went to church every time the doors were opened. I believe God loves everyone and expects us to do the same.

I have to say also, I have never been around a more caring, sincere, extremely funny, honest group of people than the gay folk. They’re alot more pleasant than most straight people.

By mom

June 17, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

JeepersCreepers: I said My God is a loving God. Is that a different one from yours?

CommunistAJC: It is not anyone’s place to judge a person based upon what kind of partner he/she chooses. If you were perfect – which no one is – then you would have a right. Only God can judge.

I have to say that the gay folk are the funniest, easy-going, honest, hard-working and most pleasant people to be around. I would much rather hang out with them than most straight people…. honestly.

By mom

June 17, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

JeepersCreepers: I said My God is a loving God. Is that a different one from yours?

CommunistAJC: It is not anyone’s place to judge a person based upon what kind of partner he/she chooses. If you were perfect – which no one is – then you would have a right. Only God can judge.

I have to say that the gay folk are the funniest, easy-going, honest, hard-working and most pleasant people to be around. I would much rather hang out with them than most straight people…. honestly.

By mom

June 17, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

JeepersCreepers: I said My God is a loving God. Is that a different one from yours?

CommunistAJC: It is not anyone’s place to judge a person based upon what kind of partner he/she chooses. If you were perfect – which no one is – then you would have a right. Only God can judge.

I have to say that the gay folk are the funniest, easy-going, honest, hard-working and most pleasant people to be around. I would much rather hang out with them than most straight people…. honestly.

By mom

June 17, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

JeepersCreepers: I said My God is a loving God. Is that a different one from yours?

CommunistAJC: It is not anyone’s place to judge a person based upon what kind of partner he/she chooses. If you were perfect – which no one is – then you would have a right. Only God can judge.

I have to say that the gay folk are the funniest, easy-going, honest, hard-working and most pleasant people to be around. I would much rather hang out with them than most straight people…. honestly.

By CommunistAJC

June 17, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

mom, You don’t have anything to back up your claims other than what you did when you were a kid. Where do you get your beliefs from? The Bible is very clear on homosexuality.

Georgian-by-birth, That’s nice of you to say that. By the way, where are you getting God loves gays from? Just curious. Because I’ve yet to read anywhere in the Bible that God loves homosexuality when He created men and women for marriage.

By Californication

June 17, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

I have a real problem here, more people voted to legalize pot than voted for gay marriage, so what is up with that? The truth is the war on drugs will never be won, and gay marriage will never be accepted by some people. OK, next! By the way comp133xi7y, having gays threatening religious folks has been going on for millennium, and visa versa. Why can’t we respectfully disagree and do what you where going to do any way. Life was so much easier in the closet, why not go back. Nobody cares where you put your weenie, so you don’t need to tell everybody.

By sane jane

June 17, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

If your religion views homosexuality as a sin, then fine.

But can we please not confuse religious dogma with the laws of this land?

Fundamentalist Christian zealots have more in common with radical Muslims than their own countrymen - they’d like to see their religious beliefs imposed on everyone.

Sad.

By Adam likes Steve

June 17, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

Marriage in Biblical times also meant NO divorce. Of course the divorce waiver the Christian world has given itself is staggering! 50% of all Christian marriages end in divorce, which of course Jesus called an abomination.

No our good Biblical Christian friends have no intention of giving up their entitlement of divorce.

Divorce is a choice, Jesus called it an abomination, yet I haven’t seen one petition circulated out there that would protect the word of God and ban divorce.

Nope when it involves 50% of the population waivers are given, these same people only claim to be on God’s side when they can shove the Bible down the throats of 6%, only then will you hear the word “abomination.” I guess this gives them the right to pretend they are doing God’s work, their type of insecurity makes them think they are special.

Guess what, they aren’t.

By CommunistAJC

June 17, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

Copyleft, You make a great point. Divorce is a huge issue in this country. Kids are out of control because of one parent working two jobs and not being able to be with their children. It’s crazy. I’ve seen people marry someone out of convenience when they should have never married that person in the first place. Churches need to offer more counseling to couples before they get married. My wife and I had counseling before we got married. Helped out a lot.

By sane jane

June 17, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

Commie, the bible is “clear” on a lot of things, including shellfish, slavery, clothing, menstruation & more - none of which are observed by the modern church.

The entire book of Leviticus are the ravings of a nomadic lunatic.

By john n

June 17, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

I just find it funny so many of you are threatened by two people committing their lives to each other.

Are you so weak in your “faith” that it scares you so much? Are you so weak in your own marriage that it scares you so much?

If you believe the Bible says it’s wrong, go right ahead and believe. However, the Bible does not rule me, and it does not give you the right to rule what others do and how they feel and who they love.

By fastkat

June 17, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

It sickens me to know that this wonderful place we live in called the United States of America is allowing this sick twisted way of living. God created Adam and Eve a man and a woman to be together as life partners…not Adam and Steve or Wendy and Jane!!!!!!In the Bible the Lord destroyed Sadam and Gamora for this very reason!!!! Hey people get a grip it is not something you are born with, it is a choice people are making and it is the wrong choice!!!!!! I am sorry if your mom or dad did not love you enough as a young child and you think you should repay them by choosing to be GAY!!!!! Choose another way to repay them…..GO give them a hug and tell them thanks for bringing you into this world!!!! What a concept!!!!

By demwit

June 17, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

If I can marry a man in California.., can I then marry my bother, in fact, why not all three of my brothers?? We’ve lived together all our lives.., why not a same sex polygamist’s marriage???

Or does that offend your definition of marriage too!?

By mom

June 17, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

I didn’t say God condones homosexuality. I said that God loves everyone. I believe that is mentioned numerous times in the Bible. I just said that I will fight for the legal rights of my son - just as anyone else would fight for their rights.

By mom

June 17, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

I didn’t say God condones homosexuality. I said that God loves everyone. I believe that is mentioned numerous times in the Bible. I just said that I will fight for the legal rights of my son - just as anyone else would fight for their rights.

By Adam likes Steve

June 17, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

CommunistAJC, every single communist country is against gay marriage. The only countries that allow gay marriage claim to be a “free country.”

You must be a communist.

By deliveranced

June 17, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

How bout my pig Wilber? Will thos Califourna juges let me marri him if I mov out thar?? I mean, he is the same sex and all and I do lovvvv him like a wife.

suweeeeeeee…

By Adam likes Steve

June 17, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Fastkat just how exactly did Adam and Eve’s family procreate?

I think the Bible is pretty clear. Brother and sister, thats how.

By TheTruth

June 17, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

WOW, this could not be further from the truth. This is what happens when we take our opinions for truth. The bible makes it very clear, man had nothing to do with the establishment of the institution of marriage, it was God. And God established marriage with Adam and Eve, between a man and a woman.

Therefore, it was God who sanctified and blessed, not man or “religion”.

By john n

June 17, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

Wow fastkat, you sure have a lot of misdirected anger. Again, who is the victim in two people choosing to spend their life together? Who is getting hurt? Or is it just your feelings and paper-thin sensibilities?

sane jane, they’ll never talk the mixed fabrics, shellfish, menstruation, etc. because it’ll expose them as they hypocrites they are.

By CommunistAJC

June 17, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

Adam likes Steve, You totally miss my point. And no, I’m not communist.

mom, This argument is never ending.

john n, No the idea of gay marriage doesn’t scare me because I don’t have to answer for it. It does bother me that people are promoting it like it’s some natural thing. That’s my problem with it.

By Abomi Nation

June 17, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

It was divorce that did the damage to the institution of marriage.

Divorce is a choice, Jesus called it an abomination. The next thing you know people are going to start wanting to marry their brothers then divorce him so they can marry a sister. One day people will want the right to marry then divorce an animal.

The time is close when one day you will hear the minister say…“You may lick the bride.”

All because of divorce. An ABOMINATION!

By Californication

June 17, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

If you against gay marriage, don’t marry a gay, that is pretty simple. The funny thing is once married they will have to stay in California, nobody else will recognize them. So doesn’t that mean all the fruits and nuts would have to stay there?

By jimbo

June 17, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

Fastkat, I’ve been relatively civil in this little posting board, but the generalizations you’re making place you somewhere south of 80 on the old IQ scale. The fact that you’re quoting the bible but can’t spell Sodom or Gemmorah.. unless you’re talking about God destroying an Iraqi dictator and a giant turtle monster from Japan (I want to read your bible!).. explains a lot about you. Can you tell me the ten commandments without looking? Can you give me the bible verses that speak of the sin of homosexuality? Can you explain to me the difference between the new testament and the old testament and the differences in god’s covenants with man?

Hell, what am I asking, you don’t even know how to spell Sodom and Gemmorah.

I think the most wonderful thing in the world for people like you is to have a gay child. I think that would change the whole game for you. I am marrying a woman who has a gay aunt and the scenario you describe just isn’t possible. In fact it doesn’t apply to a lot of homosexuals I know. You’re glaring ignorance is insulting to humanity.. and learn to spell your hate speech.

By Atlanta Jazeera-Communistication

June 17, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

The AJC is the biggest Liberalistic Homosexual deviant rag in the south. To be white, Christian, conservative or republican in the AJC’s eye is a crime. They are leading the blind to Hell in a hand-basket covered with a gasoline blanket. Rather the liberals or gays want to admit or accept it, the Bible clearly states marriage is to be between 1 man and 1 woman. It was Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve or Ada & Eve! The voters with true moral fiber will vote against the Judges rulings and have these marriages over turned in November. And you also have to remember, California and Massachusetts may recognize them, but none of the other 48 states do, so unless they live in one of these states while they’re legal, they’re nothing more than 2 homosexuals living together falsely claiming a sheet of paper as a matrimonial bond.

By sane jane

June 17, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

By the way, marriage has traditionally been same sex: a union between one man and one woman’s father.

You folks who spout “one man / one woman” are dearly shortsighted. Marriage-from-love is a relatively recent phenomenon.

Adam and Eve, and Cain and Abel. Who did Cain & Abel marry? Monkeys?

By john n

June 17, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Well commie, there are a lot of things I don’t like. Should I demand people stop putting pineapple on pizza because I don’t like it.

Or maybe you’re completely misguided and think the California ruling requires you to be gay? If that’s the case, I want to reassure you, you do NOT, I repeat, do NOT, have to become gay. Feel better now?

By CommunistAJC

June 17, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

sane jane, What you’re referring to is old testament. Has nothing to do with us today. But, if you want to point out old testament then you need to look no further than Sodom and Gomorrah.

By sane jane

June 17, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

Seriously, who did Adam & Eve’s kids marry?

I’d like an answer from our Christian friends.

By Atlanta Jazeera-Communistication

June 17, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

Mom, you may fight for your son’s “rights”, but you should be fighting for his salvation. Yes, God loves everyone who loves him, and he wants all to love him, but if you disobey him and go against him, you will have to suffer the consequences. The Bible says you must truly repent of your sins to be saved, for if you don’t repent, you in your heart didn’t really seek forgiveness if you’re not willing to turn away from sin and self, and towards the Lord.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in Heaven will enter.” - Matthew 7:21

“I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” - Luke 13:3b

By sane jane

June 17, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

So half the bible can be disregarded and has “nothing to do with us today”? Don’t you think that’s just a LITTLE bit blasphemous?

I don’t think God appreciates you talking trash about His book.

Also, if the old testament has nothing to do with us today, I guess it’s time to let go of the “Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve” argument, huh? ‘Cause I’m pretty sure Genesis is in the old testament…

So much for the inerrant word of God.

“no no, just the last half!”

By jasper

June 17, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

So did you hear about the gay polish dude? He likes women.

By jimbo

June 17, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

But it doesn’t say:

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, I’m gay!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in Heaven will enter.” - Matthew 7:21

“I tell you, no, but unless you repent for being gay, you will all likewise perish.” - Luke 13:3b

Where is that verse? The one that clearly explains Jesus’ thoughts on the subject? I only know of one random bit in Leviticus and let’s face it, none of us are following Leviticus. I know Jesus was ok with ministering to all sorts of unsavory fellows so..

By Josh

June 17, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

are people born gay or is it a choice? i’m just curious as to what other people on here think…

By CommunistAJC

June 17, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

john n, I feel fine. Maybe you should demand no pineapples. I’m not a big fan of them either. Hey, we agree on something. Don’t remember ever saying someone will become gay because of gay marriage. Just pointed out that it doesn’t make any sense. Marriage was originally designed for conception and populating the Earth. I mean, nothing but dung comes out of the butt hole, right?

sane jane, They must have married their sisters, right? No one else around. So, I guess all the southern jokes should be retracted. I guess it is okay to marry your sister as long as she’s hot. IS that wrong?

By Adam likes Steve

June 17, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

If if you Bible thumpers want to point out something from the New Testament look no further than what Jesus said about divorce. He called it an abomination.

Where were you people when the blog about the Glenn Richardson divorce was active?

Not one of you were sticking up for God. Not one of you were pointing to the Jesus declaration that divorce is an abomination.

Not one of you said “God created Adam and Eve, not Adam who divorced Eve so he could marry his hot young girlfriend Candi.” NOT ONE OF YOU!

Where is the petition and referendum here in Georgia that will create a constitutional amendment to ban divorce?????????????????

Hypocrites, ALL OF YOU!

Keep throwing your stones. Jesus talked about your types too!

By TheTruth

June 17, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Jimbo,

If you want to use someone’s ability to spell as your method of determining their “IQ” and who they are, then you ought to use a spell checker (it’s not Gemmorah, it’s Gomorrah). To answer your questions, being able to “recite” the Ten Commandments means nothing. I wish we had time and space to deal with the Law of Moses and why it was given. Next, let’s start with Romans 18-32, verse 26 and 27 in particularly, but read it all for context. Last, we don’t have the time nor space for an explanation of the differences between the OT and the NT and the covenants, but I would suggest you find fellowship with a solid, bible teaching congregation and I’m sure this question will get answered over time.

The fact that people disregard and disobey the Word of God does not make them right or excuse their choices. Yes, we as Christians are to love the person, but we must hate the sin. And therein lies the difference, too many folks mistake the hate of the sin for the hate of the person.

The bible is very clear, even God loves the person and hates the sin.
We as Christians must do the same.

By T

June 17, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

I thought this blog would have been worse. Just the rantings of a few, things are changing.

By Rodney

June 17, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

CommunistAJC, you know what homophobia REALLY says about you, don’t you?