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DEL.ICIO.USShould cyclists use roadways?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Spring weather has finally arrived and it’s a great time to ride a bike.
It’s also the time of year when motorists and cyclists often are at odds over where, when — and even if — cyclists should use roadways.
A recent letter to the editor in our Northside edition complained about cyclists using major roadways during rush hour. We’ve since heard from cyclists who point out that they have a right to use the roads and that biking is a cheaper commute in the time of gas prices.
Have our roadways become so crowded there is no room for cyclists? Or, should cyclists have the right to use roads when and where they want — even if it causes a backup?
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By BOBO
May 1, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this
NO GET OUT OF THE WAY OF CARS AND TRUCKS. WILL ONLY CAUSE BACK UPS AND DEATHS
By Scott
May 1, 2008 8:17 AM | Link to this
Cyclists are welcome to share the road with cars, as long as they follow the same rules of the road. ALL the rules. That means stopping at a red light, not just pausing and then going right through the intersection. And that means no advancing up the line of cars waiting at the light. If you want to be treated as an equal on the road, then act like an equal, not like you have special privileges.
By Jan
May 1, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this
What if more people rode bikes? And there were less cars on the road. Less traffic, less pollution, less gas used. I was in Boston recently, and Madison, Wisconsin, where large numbers of people were on bikes every day. They co-existed with the cars easily.
By Common Sense
May 1, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this
Of course cyclists should use our roadways. So should every other vehicle as allowed by law. I read the original opinion letter earlier this week and remember the author complaining about cyclists being slow. Funny though, I remember an AJC article a couple of years ago about a local Prius club where owners always tried to one-up each other with better mileage. 16mph followed by a long line of cars seemed to be a common occurrence in thie article. Should Prius’ be banned now? That’s worse than any cyclist I’ve ever been behind. Besides, any competant driver can safely pass a cyclist even on a crowded two lane road… not so easy to pass a Prius.
By Tony
May 1, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this
As a cyclist, I will not ride on Atlanta roads because of the big trucks, red necks, speeding kids, SUV drivers with cell phones, etc etc etc. It just isn’t worth getting killed and leaving my wife and two young boys without a husband or dad.
However, cyclists do have the right to ride on roads, they should have the right, and if they are following the laws cause very few traffic issues. The issue is that drivers often are impatient, and cyclists often don’t follow the laws (riding single file, obeying red lights/stop signs, etc)m which inevitably causes a conflict.
I see both sides of the argument, and as a cyclist I choose to stay of the roads because if I get hit by a vehicle or something thrown from a vehicle I will always lose in a big way.
By 50 Year Old Cyclist
May 1, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this
Sorry, but keep them off the main roads, as the size/power/risk dispartiy between bicycles and motor vehicles is too great. Bicycles should ride on the sidewalks near major roads, where their benefits (exercise, gas savings) can still be realized without negatively impacting (safety, reduction in speed consuming more gas, etc.)faster moving motor vehicle traffic.
From a safety perspective - bicycle collides with pedestrian: bruises or broken bones. Bicycle collides with car/truck: much worse, and not for the motor vehicle driver. A Cyclist would generally be better able to control their bicycles around pedestrians than most car drivers can control their cars around bicycles.
A bicycle should only be on the road in residential neighborhoods where traffic is lighter, slower, and drivers are more accustomed to seeing / dealing with cyclists.
Yes, in an ideal world we would have bike paths like in Hilton Head, etc. But guess what: paths keep bicycles off the main roads, and isn’t a bike path nothing more than a fancy sidewalk?
By saywhat
May 1, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this
No. I am tired of those cyclists who think they own the road. They clog up the road and not only endanger themselves but us drives who have to find ways to dodge them or go around them. Cyclists keep saying “share the road” but the road was made of the size of a single car - not a bike and a car. If they want us to share the road then let them come-up with the tax dollars to spend on widening the road or adding an additional bike lane. I have two friends who were bike riders for many years - both got hit by cars and they were on roads that don’t support bikes and cars - they don’t ride any longer on those roads. So - I say let those who want to ride their bikes - pay for the extra lane or stay off.
By DAG
May 1, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this
NO Way i think they should be allowed on the road, unless they had a path designed for them. If you lived where i do, drivers sometimes have to cross yellow lines to get pass them and in a curve or on a hill this could be dangerous. I sometimes think that they believe the road is all theirs.
By fedupingwinnett
May 1, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this
The bikes should not be allowed on the road if there is a sidewalk available. They don’t register bikes and pay any kind of taxes for the bikes.
By John Q. Public
May 1, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this
I agree with Tony. I too am a cycling enthusiast. However, riders often disobey the rules and ride in packs (especially around Stone Mountain) causing lane blockage thereby impeding traffic. Being a driver as well, this causes for sudden stops as most drivers fear for the safety of the riders while balancing the NASCAR types rambling towards them in their rear view mirror. If the riders were to ride single file, and obey the laws of the road, a lot of this anguish could be avoided. Hey, a novel thought, why not have BIKE PATHS??!!!! Guess that would be like making roadways that make sense, huh??
By Land Yacht
May 1, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this
Cyclists should only use the roads if there is no alternative available. Here’s to the STUPID cyclist riding in the road ADJACENT TO THE SEPARATE, PAVED BIKE LANE: get over your stupid two-wheeled-helmet-wearing-spandex-clad arrogance and get the h*ll out of the road and into the bike lane!!!
By OK with bikes if....
May 1, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this
I have no problem with bikes sharing the road if….
As noted in several other posts, cyclists obey all of the same traffic laws as motor vehicles and are subject to the same citations as motorists when they break a traffic rule.
They pay to license/register their bikes for use on the road. Having a valid license plate on a bike would help accident investigations where a cyclist was involved.
They pay some sort of “trail fee” to remain on par with the taxes built in to gas prices that motorists pay. These fees would be used to maintain the roadways that the cyclists want to share.
If cyclists want equal treatment on the road, the expectation should be that they are also subject to the same registration/taxes as motorists.
By BB
May 1, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
It’s impossible to over-estimate the combined arrogance and stupidity of Atlanta drivers. Floor it every time you leave a traffic light. Speed up to every stop you have to make. The extra 5 seconds you save will give you time to eat another bite of a donut to fuel your early-onset diabetes. If more people would get out of their cars an onto bicycles, we could all positively impact the healthcare crisis and the energy crisis.
It won’t happen, though. There are too many people who think they’re entitled to unlimited, low-cost energy, and entitled to free drugs to support their lazy, sedentary lifestyles.
By Billy Bob
May 1, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
I have always been amazed at some of the attitudes people demonstrate while driving. I have ridden bicycles, motorcycles. Driven small cars, large cars, and tractor trailers. I have literally been run down by a driver who got impatient in traffic while riding my motorcycle. There is only one thing drivers respect when on the road, themselves. Maybe the new gun laws will help weed out some of the people who sit behind the wheel of a car and play Judge, Jury, and Exicutioner. The concept is simple. Run down a cyclist, get shot by that cyclist.
By No Bike Paths
May 1, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
Anyone who suggests that sidewalks or bike paths are appropriate for cyclists needs to learn how to ride a bike. 50 Year Old Cyclist is NOT a cyclist, maybe just a 50 year Old Bicycle Owner. Meandering bike paths are for leisurely strolls with the kids. Sidewalks are usually illegal. Neither one is safe for a cyclist. Even a 40-something year old, overweight, part-time cyclist can easliy maintain speeds that makes bike paths the cycling equivalent of a neighborhood riddled with speed bumps and stop signs.
By Lois (PW)
May 1, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this
NO. The bike paths are empty and all the bikes are in the streets delaying traffic.
By betty
May 1, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this
I used to live in ATL and all the time I would see people with bumper stickers on their cars that said “Share the Road” with a little bicycle under it.
Well, all that is fine and good. But I can’t tell you how many times I was “sharing” the road with a bicycler who broke laws. They MUST follow the same laws as cars or ELSE Ride up on the sidewalks and stay the F* out of my way!!!!! Don’t get me wrong I think bicycling is wonderful for the person and for the environment, however atlanta is just not equipped for it, there are no bicycle lanes so that just creates problems for everyone. America ought to take a page from Amsterdam. Most people ride bicycles there, they have bicylce lanes throughout the whole city, and cars and pedestrians have their own lanes too. It is very efficient. Excellent engineering.
By Two by Four
May 1, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this
I frequently ride my bike for pleasure from Decatur to Candler Park or Virginia Highland. Do I ride on the main roads? Hell, no. I would never ride on Ponce, Scott Boulevard, Dekalb Avenue, Moreland, or Briarcliff except to cross these streets at intersections. Intown there are plenty of alternative, quiet streets a block or two off the main roadways that will get you where you want to go. Ride through the neighborhoods - you’ll enjoy the quiet, safety, and great views, not to mention the fact that you don’t have to breathe exhaust fumes all the time.
By Steve-o
May 1, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this
Ok. I can understand both sides to this conflict. Bike riders should have to do the following to SHARE the road. Here are some thoughts I have. 1st I have to pay to have liability insurance for my car. So should a bike. What if you run into the back of my car? Am I supose to fix it with my uninsured motorist insurance? 2nd. I have to pay and have a tag on my car. So should a bike. Go register your bike. Pay the tax and the fee that goes along with having a vehicle onj the raod. 3rd. I have to have a license to drive on the roads and be 16 years of age. I feel there should be classes to teach road safety and correct etiquette for bikes. I see kids, and when I say kids, I mean under 16. I also see adults with no helmets, reflectors, and no hand signals to indicate right or left turns. So all in all…I have no problem with a commuter wanting to ride to work. I actually think that would be awesome if I lived 2 or 3 miles from work and could ride a bike to work. BUT..the rule is 2 wide on the road with bikes. And I feel it is ridiculous to see 12 to 25 bikes on the street. Go to the silver comet trail, or the hundreds of miles of paved tracks in the state. You really can not expect me a licensed, insured, tagged, tax paying motorist to sit behind 20 bikes on the road. Get off the street and in a park, or track, or trail. That is what our taxes are paying for. A place to have recreational fun…OFF the street.
By Cyclist from E. Point
May 1, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this
Cyclist should follow the same rules and get equal treatment. I ride many evenings and on the weekends and I follow the rules. Every now and then a car drives very close to me putting my life at risk. It is not worth injuring a cyclist and going to jail to make a point. A cyclist on a free flowing two lane road should not cause the distress it seems to cause in so many people. Just go around.
By biker in wga
May 1, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
For those who apparently are unaware of it, roadways are maintianed primarily using property taxes, not ad valorem or gas tax, and therefore cyclists pay on average as much tax for road maintenenace as everyone else who owns a home, in fact in many cases much more. Maybe its non property owners who should be assessed an extra amount to make their contributions to road maintenance equal to that cyclist they are disparaging.
By Anonymous
May 1, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
This issue has bother me for some time as I feel that cyclists are not sharing the road and not following the rules themselves and if something happens I’m sure it would be all my fault. The last thing I ever want to do is hurt someone. I do try to carefully go around them, but it is frustrating during rush hour. Quite some time ago, I had the misfortune to get behind what must have been a cycling club and counted 22, yes, 22 cyclists hogging the road. There was no way to get around them and when they got to the intersection of Mt. Paran and Hwy 41, they did stop at the red light for obvious reasons but they were a pretty smug looking group. Probably laughing off the glares of disgusted drivers. Granted they were riding through a very nice residential area, but it’s still a high traffic area. You couldn’t pay me enough to ride a bike on some of these narrow roads. Everyone, both cyclists and drivers could stand to be more courteous.
By SG
May 1, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this
According to Georgia law, bikes have every right to be in the roadway, and there are specific laws already in place to deal with the issues that inevitably arise when cars and bikes are sharing the roadway. Bicyclists who disobey those laws and create unsafe conditions should be ticketed. I love to ride but try hard to stay out of the roadway as much as possible… it’s just too dangerous. Ya’ll get crazy sometimes when you see a bike in the road… even if we have every legal right to be there.
By Keith
May 1, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this
Of course cyclists should be allowed to use roadways. They do have the same responsibility to observe the rules of the road, just as drivers do, and should be smart about wearing helmet and bright clothing.
By Token Gringo
May 1, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this
Soon as they get tags so the cops can pull them over for breaking traffic laws. Why ride on the street during rush hour? There are plenty of bike trails in the ATL. Why intentionally cause traffic and exacerbation? Bike riders are very self centered.
By Anonymous
May 1, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this
This issue has bother me for some time as I feel that cyclists are not sharing the road and not following the rules themselves and if something happens I’m sure it would be all my fault. The last thing I ever want to do is hurt someone. I do try to carefully go around them, but it is frustrating during rush hour. Quite some time ago, I had the misfortune to get behind what must have been a cycling club and counted 22, yes, 22 cyclists hogging the road. There was no way to get around them and when they got to the intersection of Mt. Paran and Hwy 41, they did stop at the red light for obvious reasons but they were a pretty smug looking group. Probably laughing off the glares of disgusted drivers. Granted they were riding through a very nice residential area, but it’s still a high traffic area. You couldn’t pay me enough to ride a bike on some of these narrow roads. Everyone, both cyclists and drivers could stand to be more courteous.
By Pizen
May 1, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this
Property taxes are used to maintain county roads - not state roads nor federal highways. I have no problems with cyclists using back roads, but when I have to follow a bicycle on Peachtree Street at 5:15 PM, I’m a bit annoyed. Bikes should be registered and license plates should be required. And I would gladly support the creation of bike trails that would permit people to ride their bikes to work or whatever without hindering motorized traffic.
By Bicycles ARE Vehicles...
May 1, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
…according to GA laws:
GA Bike Safety Laws: http://www.gohs.state.ga.us/gabikelaws.html
Cars aren’t allowed on sidewalks, are they? Neither are bikes. Since they are considered vehicles, cyclists must follow the same laws as drivers or face the same penalties.
To the “bike paths are empty” poster: There are VERY FEW bike paths in the metro area. But, the ones we do have are used heavily (see Edgewood Ave.)
If you mad motorists want to do something, why not start asking for more bike lanes?
By Mondy
May 1, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
Riding on sidewalks is illegal. They’re for pedestrians. Most cyclists would rather eat a scorpion than ride on the major arteries in this town. And if they’re on them, they won’t be there for long because they’re probably about to turn off because they’re scared for their life. So drivers, show some respect and slow down.
By taylor
May 1, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
Bicyclist have just as much rights to the road as cars and trucks do. Bike lanes should be added to busy roads though for saftey resons.
Face it folks with gas prices expected to double in the next 10yrs it is a excellent alternative to cars so get used to bikes…there here to stay
By Scrappy
May 1, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this
Funny how every cyclist who posts claim to follow the rules, but every driver that posts has never seen one. I had to slam on my brakes to avoid hitting a rider recently. I was turning right at a light and the bike rider came all the way up through traffic and was going straight on through, no stopping. How was I supposed to see him and know he was going to go straight through the light? And then he flipped me off? I don’t think so- get off the road during rush hour, and when on the road OBEY the laws like everyone else.
By taylor
May 1, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
The only people that dont want bicycles on the road are the people that are too fat and lazy too ride them. Bikes have just as much right on the road as any car or truck out there. I pay taxes on my truck and if I’m riding my bike I’m not driving my truck so the taxes paid on my truck that isnt being used should cover the bike while it is being used!
With gas prices the way they are and expected to double in the next 10yrs, you people need to get used to bikes because they are here to stay!
Share the road!
By taylor
May 1, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
The only people that dont want bicycles on the road are the people that are too fat and lazy too ride them. Bikes have just as much right on the road as any car or truck out there. I pay taxes on my truck and if I’m riding my bike I’m not driving my truck so the taxes paid on my truck that isnt being used should cover the bike while it is being used!
With gas prices the way they are and expected to double in the next 10yrs, you people need to get used to bikes because they are here to stay!
Share the road!
By Law abiding
May 1, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
To all the excellent, law-abiding drivers here who never break any law… hello? Anyone? I didn’t think so. Same to cyclists… Anyone?
Use your brains and a little common courtesy people. It’s dangerous out there.
By sandy
May 1, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this
According to the LAW, if you are riding a bike, you must be on the road, or a designated Bike Path. No sidewalks. They are also ALLOWED by LAW to ride two abreast. Which is MUCH safer for them and you, because you actually have to safely pass them in order to get by, not “swipe” them. Yes, the big masses of cyclists ARE hard to pass sometimes, but they are never going faster than 9-25 miles per hour, and I KNOW you can all drive 26 miles per hour…can’t you? You certainly do seem to do so. I only ride my bike on the Comet Trail because so many drivers are rude and even menacing. Anyone who says all cyclists should stay on the sidewalk : 1) Is Ignorant of the law 2) Has probably not ridden a bike since they were a kid. You can’t ride on sidewalks consistently here. It. Is. Not. Possible. Go try it!
By Uzuri
May 1, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this
Get out of the way! We need more bike lanes along the sidewalk so that traffic isn’t interrupted.
By Taxpayer
May 1, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
I paid over $10k in property taxes last year. I have 7 cars that are registered, liscensed, insured and taxed. I’ve paid the same amount whether I choose to drive or ride my bike on a particular day.
Do I pay enough to get to ride my bike on the road?
By JustMe
May 1, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this
First, let’s talk reality….
Nine out of ten bikers do not follow the rules of the road. They run traffic lights. They don’t give proper signals. They weave in and out and around cars.
Police (in Atlanta at least) refuse to ticket these bikers that break the law.
With this reality, NO bikers should not be on our roadways. They create traffic jams, car accidents, and also put themselves in harm’s way.
IF the bikers followed the law like everyone else, then fine - I could tolerate it. But, that will never happen.
By hybridatl
May 1, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
Bikes and cars can coexist on our roads but there is a lack of consideration/respect for those who choose to not drive. The drivers who threaten bikers with their ‘maneuvers’ are the same ones who exhibit road rage and nothing more. This has nothing to do with taxes, who owns the road, or anything else. The same idiot drivers who pass bikers within inches of their lives, blow their horns to scare the !$#%^ out of them, or scream obscenities out the window are the same ones who will risk the lives of other drivers. Think about it? Bike lanes would be the safest alternative, but that’s not gonna happen. With gas at almost $4/gal and climbing fast, you’ll see alot more of us out there. Just have some respect for each other people… if that’s possible.
By sandy
May 1, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this
PS: Also, as for the big groups of riders: They cannot possibly ride that way at the Comet Trail…it is not possible, because there are little kids and strollers and dogs everywhere along the narrow path. Which, is wonderful! And it’s great for riding by yourself or with one or two buddies. But, the big group rides could not happen there. They HAVE to ride on the road! Yes, as I said, they are a little harder to pass sometimes, but think of it this way: If they were broken up into groups of 2 or 4, then you would have to pass 10 times, not once. Just sayin’
By Ron Cordell
May 1, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
By GA_Tiger Fan
May 1, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this
NO, they hog the road and do not obey the laws. Find another place to ride!
By Jessamine
May 1, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
Bottom line, it’s not a question of should we use the roadways - we HAVE to because it’s the law. If we ride on the sidewalk we DO get ticketed.
And, I own 3 houses and a car that I pay taxes on if you somehow think I’m using “your” road for free. If paying an additional tax on my bike will get you to stop trying to run over me I will do it in a heartbeat.
And, during rush hour, my husband who commutes on Briarcliff daily can more than keep up with the flow of traffic because it is only moving at 5 miles an hour.
There really needs to stop being so much anger at cyclists. You have a 3,000 lb car. Trust me, we’re more afraid of you than you are of us.
By John
May 1, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this
So Scrappy, did you have your signal on? I don’t know how many times I’ve been riding, legally on the shoulder, and some jerk in a car comes up beside me and then whips in front of me to make a right turn…no signal, no indication at all of intent. Once I got knocked over, driver just kept on going…so it goes both ways, but the overwhelming number of jerks on the road are in automobiles.
By alan
May 1, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
Can you imagine how much nicer the world would be if everybody that could would ride bikes? Pollution would be minimum, people would be healthier and happier. We would not be slaves to the oil industry anymore…
SUV’s….Booooo! Bikes….yeah!
By cane
May 1, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this
For all of those who suggest bikes ride on the sidewalk, it’s illegal to do so. Plus the chances of getting hit by a car on the sidewalk are greater because cars pulling up to intersections pull past the sidewalk before stopping. Not a problem if the bike is in the road.
Bikes are currently allowed to be in the road and that law isn’t going to change. Motorist will just have to get used to sharing the road with bikes.
By Beleagered Cyclist
May 1, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
Many of these posts from drivers seem to be of the opinion that cyclists are some snooty lawless breed that carelessly flaunt the law in front of heavily burdoned drivers. I’ll I have to say is: try it for a while. Bike through Atlanta. I biked over three years in the most dense areas (mid-town, and YIKES Buckhead) and have found the drivers are the main culpitrits not following laws and endangering cyclists and pedestrirans. Helmets? Turn signals? Rolling through stop signs and intersections? If motorists were better role models…
By Rider
May 1, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
Same road, same rights. Let ‘em ride and survive. Though I probably could comfortably do the ride between my home and office downtown, the state of the road surfaces (Peachtree, Piedmont, West Peachtree) would cause so much damage to my bike that I’d rather not.
For those who like to intimidate cyclists and tailgate us, I sometimes ride with an off-duty policeman who has carries his badge and side-arm on rides. You should see the reactions and sudden vigilence from motorists when he flashes his badge at some backwoods a**hole or car-full of ruffians.
By Steve-o
May 1, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
Sandy,
I feel that the comment you just made is the very point of this topic. It is not about the 1 or 2 bikes on the road. They are not the problem. The problem is the roads are not the tour de France. Think about this….what if at rush hour, or a road that has 12 curves and turns was held up by a funeral brigade. As in a line of cars going slower than the posted speed limit. Thus creating a huge traffic debacle. I really feel it comes down to courtesy and paying attention. But what are those these days???
By judge
May 1, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this
The problem here is that everybody is in such a hurry these days they dont want to have to slow down for bikes. Whats the big hurry, wherever you are going will still be there if you are held up a extra 30 seconds.
If you dont like me and my bicyle on the road…take another route!
By zeke
May 1, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this
As long as they do not impede traffic, obey all rules including re lights, right of way, stop signs, etc., they should be able to use roadways! Problem is, just like motocycle riders, they ignore rules of the road constantly, putting themselves and car drivers in jeapordy! Any on stupid enough to ride a 50# bicycle in lanes with 3000# to 10000# vehicles had better learn and obey the rules of the road!! But, when accidents occur you nuts in city hall, county council and state law enforcement will continue to BLAME THE AUTO DRIVERS!!! Another problem for drivers, the stupid buses stop in the travel lanes and impede traffic! If the area insists on providing bus service at the rape of taxpayers, get them off the roads when they stop and out of the traffic lanes!!!!!
By AM
May 1, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this
I don’t own a bike, and haven’t in many years, but I got cut off by a soccer mom in a Tahoe the other day. I think we should ban all the Tahoes, since I’ve seen some Tahoe drivers that I don’t like the look of and I think they’re all wasteful, selfish, and killing the environment. Obviously, there are no safe Tahoe drivers out there, because one cut me off. They’re also slow, and since I have a Nissan 350Z they should get out of my way before I blow their doors off.
Yes, there are some pompous, self-righteous, arrogant bikers out there who think they’re more special and important than anyone else. I’m not going to let them turn me into a pompous, self-righteous, arrogant Nissan driver.
Be careful who you want banned, because someday somebody might want to ban your car. And you’ll have been so busy wanting to ban people that nobody will be there to look out for you.
By saywhat?
May 1, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this
I constantly see car/truck drivers change lanes and make turns without signaling, run red lights, pass other cars illegally,weave recklessly through traffic, speed, follow other cars too closely, etc. Should motor vehicles be banned from the road ways because of this? So why bikes? All you “law abiding” car drivers need to suck it up and obey the laws regarding sharing the road with bicycles. If you can’t follow the laws, don’t drive.
I am personally all for police officers ticketing cyclists who flagrantly break the law, especially those who ride on the wrong side of the road, or run red lights.
By kresGT
May 1, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
I have to laugh at all the cycling homers talking about rules of the road. Cyclists do nto follow the rules, They pass on shoulders, run red lights and stop signs, andd rive so slowly that it is dangerous. Cyclists obey the laws when it benefits them and ignore them when it is to their advantadge.
By Steve-u
May 1, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
Steve-o, one car going less than the posted speed limit will create a line of cars…
By Jen
May 1, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this
I commute the short 3.5 miles to work by bike. I only take residential streets…but that’s because it’s the shortest route by bike or car.
I can tell you that motorists go down Oakdale or Lullwater at speeds of 40-45mph. The limit is 25mph because it’s a residential street.
I’m a cyclist who maintains her place in line at traffic lights and stops. I also own a motorcycle and I just ride my bike like I do my motorbike. It’s not that hard, cyclists.
I WILL take the center of the lane if the lane is particularly narrow, ie, bumpouts, or if I am the first in line at an intersection and want to make a left turn, etc.
I have to say that it makes me angry to see the cyclists who ride up on the right past a queue of cars to get to the front. That’s not only illegal it’s dangerous and it rightly angers motorists. And I see this as common among fancy cyclists wearing fancy clothes as I do the no-helmet college boy in his flip-flops and cargo shorts.
Please stop doing. Now, don’t respond to this request by point a finger at the motorist or by playing woe is me. Just stop it.
And motorists, get over yourselves and get on a bike. You will feel a lot better if you’re not stuck in your car all day.
And city of Atlanta, please keep installing bike paths for commuters.
By EJ
May 1, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
What a backwards society we have here. Ever other city in the nation allows bikes and here you are debating whether or not they should be allowed to use the road.
For the ignorant, cars and bikes pay no taxes. Cyclists and drivers do.
For the ignorant, cyclists follow the laws at about the same percentage as drivers do. As soon as you pass us you are above the speed limit for your drive. You do not use turn signals. You drive on the shoulders when the backup is too long at the light.
Cyclists know the laws. It is the drivers that need the refresher course.
Cyclists have the legal right to ride to abreast. Yet they do not. Why? They are trying to be cooperative.
Why are the drivers so angry? Because at the next light, the cyclists passes them while they sit and wait, stuck in their vehicle.
By Anonymous
May 1, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
As far as whether it is one or two cyclists or a group, there was no passing that group of 22 cyclists I had the misfortune to be behind. It was a narrow two lane and lots of traffic coming from the other direction - I had to follow slowly along until the lanes finally widened and we went different ways - so I lost alot more than “an extra 30 seconds”.
By mark
May 1, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
Should 1/3 of surface streets be closed to commuter traffic except buses and bicycles during rush hour?
By Choose roads more wisely
May 1, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this
I don’t mind sharing the road, and I don’t mind that groups of cyclists like to get out and ride during lunch hours/after work/on the weekends. It would be great if there were bike lanes in the Milton and South Forsyth area, but there aren’t.
The biggest issue I have with packs of cyclists is that if you are out for exercise/sport (not commuting), you can choose the roads on which you travel. Where I live, there are some cycling groups that regularly choose to ride on very windy, well-trafficked two-lane roads. These roads are in good shape and are mainly flat, but they are double yellow lines the majority of the way.
I have been behind as many as 60 cyclists before in Milton, Alpharetta and Cumming. Some are in a tight pack, but others are single file or two abreast with small pockets of empty space between cyclists. It’s one curve or slight hill after another, and with so many cyclists spaced the way they are, it’s nearly impossible to pass safely on this type of road.
Yet, these curvy roads are the ones the cycling clubs in my area are choosing. I have also seen huge trucks (not big SUVs, but dump trucks) use these roads regularly, and I cringe at the thought of one of those big trucks coming around the corner and hitting a cyclist.
I guess I would ask the cycling groups to choose routes for their outings that make it possible for everyone to share the road.
By Jen
May 1, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
Why are the drivers so angry? Because at the next light, the cyclists passes them while they sit and wait, stuck in their vehicle.
Isn’t it illegal to do this? Aren’t cyclist required to stay off the shoulder (improper lane usage) and not share the lane (improper lane usage)?
Like I said, I commute by bike to work but seeing cyclists do just this makes me mad.
By Avid Cyclist
May 1, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
Illegal to pass on the right when cars are stopped?
I can see it now. Cyclists sit 10 cars back and wait their turn. The light turns green, all the cars ahead accelerate away, and you are the driver behind the bike waiting for it to get to through the intersection before the light turns red again.
So how long do you think it would be before you were honking your horn and screaming? I thought so…..
By Dunwoody Cyclist
May 1, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this
There is no question at hand - Cyclists DO have the right to the roads. Perhaps cars should not be allowed.
By Steve-o
May 1, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this
To Steve-u,
Touche. I think you are stating the obvious. My point is that I feel the same thought applies to the silver comet trail is like the road. As in…the silver comet is only wide enough for two bikes. The same rule for the road…two bikes abreast. Now, in Sandy’s comment she stated that big group rides can not happen on the silver comet. Well…big groups don’t belong on the roads either. So some patience and courtesy should be applied to both. You should treat the silver comet like the road. Bikes should not be in huge packs or groups on the road. Not tryin to get into a p** match….but common sense always seems to be the key.
By freddy
May 1, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
Jen,
I thought you had a scooter..
By Dave
May 1, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
It is absurd that the AJC would even pose this as a question. In the interest of balance perhaps later they will post a follow up question, “Should drivers use roadways?”
Whether or not cyclists should be on the roads is not a matter of opinion; it is the law. To reiterate what has already been said: it is illegal in Georgia for adult cyclists to ride on the sidewalk, and for good reason — riding on the sidewalk is in many ways more dangerous for cyclists, not to mention a serious hazard for pedestrians.
A message for other cyclists reading this: the most important thing is to be a confident and assertive rider. Do not allow yourself to be intimidated by aggressive drivers. Treat yourself like any other vehicle: obey all traffic laws, and don’t be afraid to “take the lane” if it is too narrow for a driver to pass safely on the left — this is entirely within your right. And don’t shy away from “big” streets either; I ride down Peachtree, 10th, Marietta, Ponce, etc. all the time and have never had a serious altercation with another vehicle.
Overall, my experience as a cyclist in Atlanta has been overwhelmingly positive, and if they gave it a try I think most people would be surprised at what a pleasant alternative to driving it is. The best way to create a better environment for cyclists is to have more of us out there asserting our right to the road.
By Jen
May 1, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
Avid Cyclist,
It doesn’t matter how you envision it. It’s the law and I wish cops would ticket cyclists more for doing this.
Accountability on both sides.
By Kyle
May 1, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
I have to say that KresGT is completely wrong. I ride my bike to work every day. I obey every traffic rule out there. I dont even speed!!!
By Jeff
May 1, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this
Well, down here in South GA, there are ZERO bike lanes.
And in certain areas of Albany, traffic is usually WORSE than ANYTHING you see in ATL. (And I used to live/work in ATL, so I know what I’m talking about!)
And while I TYPICALLY say that Bikers should follow traffic laws, it is flat out NOT SAFE to ride WITH traffic, so I support biking AGAINST traffic so that you can see what is coming.
By Beleagered Cyclist
May 1, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
Being an Atlanta cyclist, twice I’ve been honked at warned to Get Out of the Way by a tailgating motorist while riding THROUGH A GROCERY STORE PARKING LOT. Here we are, both going the same speed limit through a tight area, yet because I’m on a bike I’m supposed to yeild immediately? Four dollar a gallon gas, eh? Hope it goes up to eight, sucka!
By Jen
May 1, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
Freddy, I did but it broke and the repair cost was the same as replacement so I bought a motorbike.
However, technically, scooters are motorcylces.
By Sean
May 1, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
@Jen Lane splitting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_splitting) should be legal in Georgia.
By metalman
May 1, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
What a silly thread. Bikes can ride on the roads - it is the law. They have to follow the rules of traffic and are afforded the rights and responsibilities of any vehicle. There is nothing to debate here. Any driver who wishes to ban cyclists on the basis they might be slowed or otherwise inconvenienced is a d*che bag idiot. Almost every cyclist is also a driver and therefore had payed for their share of the maintenance and upkeep of the roads - to think otherwise is infantile.
By CD
May 1, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
Are bicyclists really “saving the environment” when they literally slow 1,000 cars down or make them accelerate and brake unnecessarily, causing inefficiency in gasoline usage? Also, if you have an accident and hit a minivan, you put a $200 dent in the vehicle. If you hit a bicyclist, they die and have a lawsuit you’ll never be able to repay. No one wants to have an accident, but accidents happen. This wasn’t designed to be a bicycling / environmentalist city. You’re not going to change the world by p** people off.
By papajones
May 1, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this
Bicyclists and motor vehicles cannot coexist on Atlanta’s narrow, crowded main thorofares. If bicyclists want to use these roads, then they should be required to register their bicycles, purchase bicycle license plates, take a bicycle driver’s test, carry a bicycle driver’s license, and pay a road use tax. Money generated from these activities could then be used to install bicycle paths along those major thorofares where bicycle traffic has been shown to impede the flow of motor vehicles.
By Common Sense
May 1, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this
Can one of you who claim it is illegal for bikes to ride past cars when they are stopped cite the specific code they are violating? Are you telling me that it is always illegal for a car to pass a bike?
By JS
May 1, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
I just wish that they would drive on the bike paths already established. I continually see bikers riding in the roadway right beside the bike path!
By Jen
May 1, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
Sean, lane-splitting isn’t legal in Georgia and I think it’s an unsafe practice for a bike to split a lane with a car. I could see it being okay for a motorbike and bike or 2 bikes.
Here’s the ref for lane-splitting. It’s for motorcycles but I imagine it applies to bicycles:
Code 40-6-312 (b) The operator of a motorcycle shall not overtake and pass in the same lane occupied by the vehicle being overtaken. (c) No person shall operate a motorcycle between lanes of traffic or between adjacent lines or rows of vehicles.
By Logical Dude
May 1, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this
Cyclists should be separated from cars with a bicycle lane. Since Georgia is so short-sighted as to not include bicycle lanes, we are stuck with have bicycles share the road.
SHARE THE ROAD.
Learn how to deal with cyclists when in your car. If you hate dealing with cyclists, do something about it. Write your representative and request bicycle lanes added to all highways, thoroughfares and main roads.
What? You don’t hate the cyclists enough to write your representative, and just complain about it when someone asks?
Then learn to SHARE THE ROAD.
By h ryder
May 1, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
I do not bike on any well trafficed roads. I do agree that bikers should follow all traffic rules as should all vehicle operators. That includes adhering to posted speed limits at all times. When vehicles carrying bikes, obviously to soon ride, zoom by me on Columns Drive at 40-65 MPH something is drastically wrong with the brains of those persons behind the wheel of the speeding vehicles. When ticketed, the moronic violater usual offers the excuse of selective law enforcement, rather than always driving within the speed limit and having less liklihood of causing a death due to an operational error on the part of either a biker or driver.
By Jen
May 1, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
Section 2, page 41 of the Georgia Driver’s Manual for 2008 discusses what’s acceptable for passing:
http://www.dds.ga.gov/docs/forms/FullDriversManual.pdf
It is not always illegal for a car to pass a bike but a car must clear the lane (move completely into the other lane) and they can only cross into other lanes when it’s legal to do so (check out the yellow or white dashed or solid lines). Same rules for passing another car or motorcycle.
By kresGT
May 1, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this
When a cyclist is causing huge delays on major highways during rushour like occurred on HWY 5 a couple of weeks ago, it’s time to re-examine the law.
By TIme Out
May 1, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
Yes a lot of cyclists, perhaps most cyclists do not obey the traffic laws as required. The police could start enforcing the laws and that would put an end to that. But after reading these posts, I have to agree with some of the cyclists. Most of these people that are complaning about cyclists are probably “fat gooey people” who could not pedal a bike twenty feet if their life depended on it. This country is full of people who are jealous of fit people. Slowly we are attempting to justify being unhealthy. We want models to gain weight and we have all seen the incredibly obese Monique talk about how sexy it is to be fat. I would suggest that some of you people start a work out program and after you begin to see the results perhaps you can understand why these cyclists put their lives at risk to cycle in the street. And by the way they are allowed to do this under the law. However you people could go complain to the Govnuh, he certianly seems to enjoy taking away peoples choices.
By janet
May 1, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this
Say what you want about cyclists, I enjoy the view as a cyclist or a group of them passes me - best tight butts around. Worth stopping and enjoying the view. Thanks guys.
By janet
May 1, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this
Say what you want about cyclists, I enjoy the view as a cyclist or a group of them passes me - best tight butts around. Worth stopping and enjoying the view. Thanks guys.
By Jen
May 1, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this
I’m certainly not anti-cyclist. When I was in college I didn’t have a car, only a bike, and that was back when it wasn’t all that common to wear a helmet!
And now that I live close to work I commute by bike again (now I wear a helmet, have LEDs flashing, reflective strips, etc).
I would love to see more people, especially city dwellers who have a relatively short commute, biking as part of daily life.
And yes, drivers here are way behind the times when it comes to commuting cyclists.
But, there ARE plenty of problem cyclists out there…and they need to stop pointing their fingers at everyone else.
By Georgia74
May 1, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
These are the rudest bunches of people I have ever witnessed. They should all be required to take acourse in common sense etiquette( however you spell it). I amazed there aren’t 15 a day killed.
By John Tackett
May 1, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this
Hey JustMe… Cyclist don’t follow the rules!! Then why do cities have to put up “red light cameras?” And as for cops ticketing cyclist when they break the law, as long as they ticket motorist who don’t signal, don’t stop for peds in the sidewalk, and exceed the speed limit (which by the is something most cyclist don’t do.)
As a cyclist that rides 20 miles a day to and from work, i have no issue with a licenses fee, I have already taken a safe cycling course (do all drivers have to take a safe driving course to get a license?), I pay property and car taxes. I have a headlight on the front and 2 flashing red lights on the back.
But when the city of Atlanta narrows streets and removes bike lanes (Lindbergh road, Peachtree Hills, E. Wesley road) for traffic calming, what is that saying - it is saying that the city needed to slow down motorist, not cyclist!! Even the mayor herself has stated that she was not aware that many of the streets in Atlanta were designated for cyclist with lanes. You can see the old paint on Peachtree from the bike lanes, maybe the city needs to repaint them.
I was hit by a driver who thought that my left turn signal was a “come around” signal, despite the fact that I was in the center of the lane. She had to cross a double yellow line to pass me. She pleaded “nolo contendre” and got off with a $50 fine, despite the fact that I spent 4 days in Grady hospital. BTW, the driver took a driving course in school but was not taught how to use hand signals or interact with cyclist (Not that people use turn signals already in the vehicle.)
There are issues on both sides of the debate. Yes I have seen arrogant cyclist, but the same is for drivers (I have heard of road rage, but never cycling rage.) But Atlanta, and the surrounding communities do not consider cyclist when planning roads or updating roads. I will continue to ride my bike, and if I have to deal with drivers that believe that I should not be there, I will deal with it. After all, I can remember when certain people did not think that blacks should sit at the same lunch counter as whites. It has taken some time, but we overcame that issue as well.
KEEP ON PEDALING!!!
By JD
May 1, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this
I would hope that, with the recent studies of Atlanta’s air quality, there would be more focus on funding bike lanes, bike trails, and other means of accessing the city. With so much development and redevelopment going on in the metro area there is great opportunity to make Atlanta a bike-friendly city.
Having said that, the idea is to share the road, meaning that motorists follow the rules of the road and do what they can to accomodate cyclists, and that cyclists should follow the rules of the road and be mindful of how their actions affect motorists. It is the ones from both parties who disregard the rules that make it onerous for both.
As a private pilot, I have to live with the disparity that not following the rules means that my license could be revoked while watching motorists get away with near-murder. Not only do I have to worry about regulations, I have to consider how my actions affect others, possibly to the point where I don’t do something that is perfectly legal just because it’s going to cause problems, provoke irritation and reflect upon my fellow pilots. Cyclists, just because we can do something doesn’t mean we should. Be considerate of motorists; avoid being a hindrance to auto traffic in peak times if possible. Consider that your failure to follow rules or even to just be considerate reflects on the rest of us and leads to the blanket accusations above. The expectation of cyclists to be perfect in following traffic laws may not be fair and may even be hypocritical, but that’s life.
By Time Out
May 1, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this
Hey John, I enjoyed reading your post, however you should have left your last sentence off. Please don’t start talking about when blacks couldn’t sit at the lunch counter. You obviously don’t know these people well. All it takes is a spark to start it. Wait for it……
By gttim
May 1, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this
As far as the law goes, it is a right for cyclists to use the roads. It is a privilege, that can be revoked, for a motorist to use the road.
The law on lane splitting applies to motorcycles not bicycles. I will ride by a long line of cars at a red light on my bike. If there are only a few I will not. I am not going to sit through numerous red lights in a traffic jam caused by cars.
If your logic is that cyclists should not be able to use the roads because a few cyclists break the laws, then no motorists should be allowed on the road because a much higher percentage of them break the law. Take a radar gun out onto the highway or watch how many motorists drive through a red light during rush hour.
“When vehicles carrying bikes, obviously to soon ride, zoom by me on Columns Drive at 40-65 MPH…”
I live on Columns and run or ride there 4-5 times a week. It is not the cars carrying bikes who are going so fast. It is the older, angry condo dwellers at the end who speed. I have watched a SUV driven by a condo owner (Hey Lawrie!), purposely veer into the bike lane trying to run cyclists off the road- right near a mother with a stroller. I have watch agressive driving by many condo/townhouse dwellers causing problems. It was funny after the condo/townhouse dwellers kept calling the police, the police finally did start monitoring Columns better. The result? Many motorists getting tickets, license checks, and finally some reduction in speed of the cars. I wish the Cobb County Police department would spend more time on Columns and more time monitoring cars all over the place. The streets should be safe, but never will be with the actions of drivers these days!
By John Tackett
May 1, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
Hey Time Out,
Only trying to make a point, but I have my flame resistant suit on, so I am ready. Not playing the race card, but I needed to make a strong point and that seemed to be a good analogy. Thanks for the heads up..
By baddabing
May 1, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
I am a cyclist and I ride lots of in town group rides that often are during Atlanta’s never ending rush hours. Most of the riding is in residential neighborhoods but we often have to use more popular busier roads to get from one area to another. I agree with the people that say cyclists need to follow the rules of the road. It irks me to see fellow cyclists go by cars waiting at intersections. I also know that there is safety in numbers and my in town rides are safer than rides I do on the Comet Trail. I know too many people that have left the Comet Trail via ambulance because of runners and walkers with IPODS who couldn’t hear them or dogs not tethered on a leash properly. Bottom line, move closer to where you work, spend more time running or riding so you won’t be so stressed out, and leave the cell phones and IPODS at home and enjoy this beautiful city.
By A hypocrit
May 1, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
A very common complaint I see in these comments is that bicyclists need to obey ALL the laws of the road.
How many drivers break the speed limit every single time they drive?
Drivers and cyclists BOTH break laws all the time. Just different laws.
By Edward
May 1, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
What if the argument was unrelated to bikes? What if the argument was ‘Should someone be allowed to drive 15-20 MPH in a 35, 45, 50 MPH zone?’ Doing so makes the road unsafe. The same problem applies to bikes. If they can keep up with the flow of traffic, then fine. Otherwise, they should be somewhere else.
By DW
May 1, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
I ride a road cycle, and many times a car will speed by me, dangerously close, many times forcing me to the curb or off the road completely. Nine times out of ten I soon catch up with the same car sitting at a red light or stop sign just ahead. Red lights and other drivers, and yapping on your cell phones cost you more time every day in traffic. Just cool it and let off the gas once in a while.
By DW
May 1, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
I ride a road cycle, and many times a car will speed by me, dangerously close, many times forcing me to the curb or off the road completely. Nine times out of ten I soon catch up with the same car sitting at a red light or stop sign just ahead. Red lights and other drivers, and yapping on your cell phones cost you more time every day in traffic. Just cool it and let off the gas once in a while.
By Can't ride in Atlanta
May 1, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
Atlanta has the worst drivers I have ever seen. They don’t know how to share the road with anyone and never obey traffic laws.
How can anyone think that cyclists are the problem?
By decatur rider
May 1, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
I like the amount of car drivers on this post who act annoyed with bike riders not following the laws. It’s true, we have a tencendy to run the lights, not properly signal, etc. But, in case you have not driven a car lately, most of the vehicles on the road do the same exact thing. Constantly not signaling, running lights, stop signs, and on and on. So, if you expect us to follow the rules, try doing the same yourself. A little common courtesy goes a long way.
Also, I truly believe that most cyclist and motorist obey these rules, but it’s the ones who don’t that you remember.
By GoondocksFD
May 1, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
I am a cyclist and, as a Firefighter/ Paramedic, I feel That I AM a productive member of society. I feel like the fire station and my home ARE real destinations. I work hard so that everyone in the house can come home safely to their families. I also strive to keep the citizens and visitors of my city safe. I don’t feel that my life should be placed in danger because of ignorant and impatient drivers who won’t afford me my legal right to get some exercise and save my family some gas money to and from work. My taxes ALREADY go to road maintenance and construction and I will bet you my paycheck( however small) that my 23 pound bicycle has not done the road damage in its 20+ year lifetime that your car does on a trip to Starbucks.If you see me getting on or off my bicycle, stop me and talk to me. I am sure will find that I am an intelligent, reasonable and compassionate person and not the selfish “green” Nazi you imagine that I am. I’ve commuted by car. It’s not for me. Don’t knock it until you try it. I would think your anger would be better directed towards oil companies with ever increasing profits and politicians who continue to provide them with subsidies with no knowledge, input, or regard for how they are spent, but I guess thats a topic for another day.
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