Opinion Talk

By BOBO

May 1, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this

NO GET OUT OF THE WAY OF CARS AND TRUCKS. WILL ONLY CAUSE BACK UPS AND DEATHS

By Scott

May 1, 2008 8:17 AM | Link to this

Cyclists are welcome to share the road with cars, as long as they follow the same rules of the road. ALL the rules. That means stopping at a red light, not just pausing and then going right through the intersection. And that means no advancing up the line of cars waiting at the light. If you want to be treated as an equal on the road, then act like an equal, not like you have special privileges.

By Jan

May 1, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

What if more people rode bikes? And there were less cars on the road. Less traffic, less pollution, less gas used. I was in Boston recently, and Madison, Wisconsin, where large numbers of people were on bikes every day. They co-existed with the cars easily.

By Common Sense

May 1, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

Of course cyclists should use our roadways. So should every other vehicle as allowed by law. I read the original opinion letter earlier this week and remember the author complaining about cyclists being slow. Funny though, I remember an AJC article a couple of years ago about a local Prius club where owners always tried to one-up each other with better mileage. 16mph followed by a long line of cars seemed to be a common occurrence in thie article. Should Prius’ be banned now? That’s worse than any cyclist I’ve ever been behind. Besides, any competant driver can safely pass a cyclist even on a crowded two lane road… not so easy to pass a Prius.

By Tony

May 1, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

As a cyclist, I will not ride on Atlanta roads because of the big trucks, red necks, speeding kids, SUV drivers with cell phones, etc etc etc. It just isn’t worth getting killed and leaving my wife and two young boys without a husband or dad.

However, cyclists do have the right to ride on roads, they should have the right, and if they are following the laws cause very few traffic issues. The issue is that drivers often are impatient, and cyclists often don’t follow the laws (riding single file, obeying red lights/stop signs, etc)m which inevitably causes a conflict.

I see both sides of the argument, and as a cyclist I choose to stay of the roads because if I get hit by a vehicle or something thrown from a vehicle I will always lose in a big way.

By 50 Year Old Cyclist

May 1, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

Sorry, but keep them off the main roads, as the size/power/risk dispartiy between bicycles and motor vehicles is too great. Bicycles should ride on the sidewalks near major roads, where their benefits (exercise, gas savings) can still be realized without negatively impacting (safety, reduction in speed consuming more gas, etc.)faster moving motor vehicle traffic.

From a safety perspective - bicycle collides with pedestrian: bruises or broken bones. Bicycle collides with car/truck: much worse, and not for the motor vehicle driver. A Cyclist would generally be better able to control their bicycles around pedestrians than most car drivers can control their cars around bicycles.

A bicycle should only be on the road in residential neighborhoods where traffic is lighter, slower, and drivers are more accustomed to seeing / dealing with cyclists.

Yes, in an ideal world we would have bike paths like in Hilton Head, etc. But guess what: paths keep bicycles off the main roads, and isn’t a bike path nothing more than a fancy sidewalk?

By saywhat

May 1, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

No. I am tired of those cyclists who think they own the road. They clog up the road and not only endanger themselves but us drives who have to find ways to dodge them or go around them. Cyclists keep saying “share the road” but the road was made of the size of a single car - not a bike and a car. If they want us to share the road then let them come-up with the tax dollars to spend on widening the road or adding an additional bike lane. I have two friends who were bike riders for many years - both got hit by cars and they were on roads that don’t support bikes and cars - they don’t ride any longer on those roads. So - I say let those who want to ride their bikes - pay for the extra lane or stay off.

By DAG

May 1, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

NO Way i think they should be allowed on the road, unless they had a path designed for them. If you lived where i do, drivers sometimes have to cross yellow lines to get pass them and in a curve or on a hill this could be dangerous. I sometimes think that they believe the road is all theirs.

By fedupingwinnett

May 1, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

The bikes should not be allowed on the road if there is a sidewalk available. They don’t register bikes and pay any kind of taxes for the bikes.

By John Q. Public

May 1, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

I agree with Tony. I too am a cycling enthusiast. However, riders often disobey the rules and ride in packs (especially around Stone Mountain) causing lane blockage thereby impeding traffic. Being a driver as well, this causes for sudden stops as most drivers fear for the safety of the riders while balancing the NASCAR types rambling towards them in their rear view mirror. If the riders were to ride single file, and obey the laws of the road, a lot of this anguish could be avoided. Hey, a novel thought, why not have BIKE PATHS??!!!! Guess that would be like making roadways that make sense, huh??

By Land Yacht

May 1, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

Cyclists should only use the roads if there is no alternative available. Here’s to the STUPID cyclist riding in the road ADJACENT TO THE SEPARATE, PAVED BIKE LANE: get over your stupid two-wheeled-helmet-wearing-spandex-clad arrogance and get the h*ll out of the road and into the bike lane!!!

By OK with bikes if....

May 1, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this

I have no problem with bikes sharing the road if….

If cyclists want equal treatment on the road, the expectation should be that they are also subject to the same registration/taxes as motorists.

By BB

May 1, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

It’s impossible to over-estimate the combined arrogance and stupidity of Atlanta drivers. Floor it every time you leave a traffic light. Speed up to every stop you have to make. The extra 5 seconds you save will give you time to eat another bite of a donut to fuel your early-onset diabetes. If more people would get out of their cars an onto bicycles, we could all positively impact the healthcare crisis and the energy crisis.

It won’t happen, though. There are too many people who think they’re entitled to unlimited, low-cost energy, and entitled to free drugs to support their lazy, sedentary lifestyles.

By Billy Bob

May 1, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

I have always been amazed at some of the attitudes people demonstrate while driving. I have ridden bicycles, motorcycles. Driven small cars, large cars, and tractor trailers. I have literally been run down by a driver who got impatient in traffic while riding my motorcycle. There is only one thing drivers respect when on the road, themselves. Maybe the new gun laws will help weed out some of the people who sit behind the wheel of a car and play Judge, Jury, and Exicutioner. The concept is simple. Run down a cyclist, get shot by that cyclist.

By No Bike Paths

May 1, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

Anyone who suggests that sidewalks or bike paths are appropriate for cyclists needs to learn how to ride a bike. 50 Year Old Cyclist is NOT a cyclist, maybe just a 50 year Old Bicycle Owner. Meandering bike paths are for leisurely strolls with the kids. Sidewalks are usually illegal. Neither one is safe for a cyclist. Even a 40-something year old, overweight, part-time cyclist can easliy maintain speeds that makes bike paths the cycling equivalent of a neighborhood riddled with speed bumps and stop signs.

By Lois (PW)

May 1, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

NO. The bike paths are empty and all the bikes are in the streets delaying traffic.

By betty

May 1, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

I used to live in ATL and all the time I would see people with bumper stickers on their cars that said “Share the Road” with a little bicycle under it.
Well, all that is fine and good. But I can’t tell you how many times I was “sharing” the road with a bicycler who broke laws. They MUST follow the same laws as cars or ELSE Ride up on the sidewalks and stay the F* out of my way!!!!! Don’t get me wrong I think bicycling is wonderful for the person and for the environment, however atlanta is just not equipped for it, there are no bicycle lanes so that just creates problems for everyone. America ought to take a page from Amsterdam. Most people ride bicycles there, they have bicylce lanes throughout the whole city, and cars and pedestrians have their own lanes too. It is very efficient. Excellent engineering.

By Two by Four

May 1, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

I frequently ride my bike for pleasure from Decatur to Candler Park or Virginia Highland. Do I ride on the main roads? Hell, no. I would never ride on Ponce, Scott Boulevard, Dekalb Avenue, Moreland, or Briarcliff except to cross these streets at intersections. Intown there are plenty of alternative, quiet streets a block or two off the main roadways that will get you where you want to go. Ride through the neighborhoods - you’ll enjoy the quiet, safety, and great views, not to mention the fact that you don’t have to breathe exhaust fumes all the time.

By Steve-o

May 1, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

Ok. I can understand both sides to this conflict. Bike riders should have to do the following to SHARE the road. Here are some thoughts I have. 1st I have to pay to have liability insurance for my car. So should a bike. What if you run into the back of my car? Am I supose to fix it with my uninsured motorist insurance? 2nd. I have to pay and have a tag on my car. So should a bike. Go register your bike. Pay the tax and the fee that goes along with having a vehicle onj the raod. 3rd. I have to have a license to drive on the roads and be 16 years of age. I feel there should be classes to teach road safety and correct etiquette for bikes. I see kids, and when I say kids, I mean under 16. I also see adults with no helmets, reflectors, and no hand signals to indicate right or left turns. So all in all…I have no problem with a commuter wanting to ride to work. I actually think that would be awesome if I lived 2 or 3 miles from work and could ride a bike to work. BUT..the rule is 2 wide on the road with bikes. And I feel it is ridiculous to see 12 to 25 bikes on the street. Go to the silver comet trail, or the hundreds of miles of paved tracks in the state. You really can not expect me a licensed, insured, tagged, tax paying motorist to sit behind 20 bikes on the road. Get off the street and in a park, or track, or trail. That is what our taxes are paying for. A place to have recreational fun…OFF the street.

By Cyclist from E. Point

May 1, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

Cyclist should follow the same rules and get equal treatment. I ride many evenings and on the weekends and I follow the rules. Every now and then a car drives very close to me putting my life at risk. It is not worth injuring a cyclist and going to jail to make a point. A cyclist on a free flowing two lane road should not cause the distress it seems to cause in so many people. Just go around.

By biker in wga

May 1, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

For those who apparently are unaware of it, roadways are maintianed primarily using property taxes, not ad valorem or gas tax, and therefore cyclists pay on average as much tax for road maintenenace as everyone else who owns a home, in fact in many cases much more. Maybe its non property owners who should be assessed an extra amount to make their contributions to road maintenance equal to that cyclist they are disparaging.

By Anonymous

May 1, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

This issue has bother me for some time as I feel that cyclists are not sharing the road and not following the rules themselves and if something happens I’m sure it would be all my fault. The last thing I ever want to do is hurt someone. I do try to carefully go around them, but it is frustrating during rush hour. Quite some time ago, I had the misfortune to get behind what must have been a cycling club and counted 22, yes, 22 cyclists hogging the road. There was no way to get around them and when they got to the intersection of Mt. Paran and Hwy 41, they did stop at the red light for obvious reasons but they were a pretty smug looking group. Probably laughing off the glares of disgusted drivers. Granted they were riding through a very nice residential area, but it’s still a high traffic area. You couldn’t pay me enough to ride a bike on some of these narrow roads. Everyone, both cyclists and drivers could stand to be more courteous.

By SG

May 1, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

According to Georgia law, bikes have every right to be in the roadway, and there are specific laws already in place to deal with the issues that inevitably arise when cars and bikes are sharing the roadway. Bicyclists who disobey those laws and create unsafe conditions should be ticketed. I love to ride but try hard to stay out of the roadway as much as possible… it’s just too dangerous. Ya’ll get crazy sometimes when you see a bike in the road… even if we have every legal right to be there.

By Keith

May 1, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

Of course cyclists should be allowed to use roadways. They do have the same responsibility to observe the rules of the road, just as drivers do, and should be smart about wearing helmet and bright clothing.

By Token Gringo

May 1, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Soon as they get tags so the cops can pull them over for breaking traffic laws. Why ride on the street during rush hour? There are plenty of bike trails in the ATL. Why intentionally cause traffic and exacerbation? Bike riders are very self centered.

By Anonymous

May 1, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

This issue has bother me for some time as I feel that cyclists are not sharing the road and not following the rules themselves and if something happens I’m sure it would be all my fault. The last thing I ever want to do is hurt someone. I do try to carefully go around them, but it is frustrating during rush hour. Quite some time ago, I had the misfortune to get behind what must have been a cycling club and counted 22, yes, 22 cyclists hogging the road. There was no way to get around them and when they got to the intersection of Mt. Paran and Hwy 41, they did stop at the red light for obvious reasons but they were a pretty smug looking group. Probably laughing off the glares of disgusted drivers. Granted they were riding through a very nice residential area, but it’s still a high traffic area. You couldn’t pay me enough to ride a bike on some of these narrow roads. Everyone, both cyclists and drivers could stand to be more courteous.

By Pizen

May 1, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

Property taxes are used to maintain county roads - not state roads nor federal highways. I have no problems with cyclists using back roads, but when I have to follow a bicycle on Peachtree Street at 5:15 PM, I’m a bit annoyed. Bikes should be registered and license plates should be required. And I would gladly support the creation of bike trails that would permit people to ride their bikes to work or whatever without hindering motorized traffic.

By Bicycles ARE Vehicles...

May 1, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

…according to GA laws:

GA Bike Safety Laws: http://www.gohs.state.ga.us/gabikelaws.html

Cars aren’t allowed on sidewalks, are they? Neither are bikes. Since they are considered vehicles, cyclists must follow the same laws as drivers or face the same penalties.

To the “bike paths are empty” poster: There are VERY FEW bike paths in the metro area. But, the ones we do have are used heavily (see Edgewood Ave.)

If you mad motorists want to do something, why not start asking for more bike lanes?

By Mondy

May 1, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

Riding on sidewalks is illegal. They’re for pedestrians. Most cyclists would rather eat a scorpion than ride on the major arteries in this town. And if they’re on them, they won’t be there for long because they’re probably about to turn off because they’re scared for their life. So drivers, show some respect and slow down.

By taylor

May 1, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

Bicyclist have just as much rights to the road as cars and trucks do. Bike lanes should be added to busy roads though for saftey resons.

Face it folks with gas prices expected to double in the next 10yrs it is a excellent alternative to cars so get used to bikes…there here to stay

By Scrappy

May 1, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

Funny how every cyclist who posts claim to follow the rules, but every driver that posts has never seen one. I had to slam on my brakes to avoid hitting a rider recently. I was turning right at a light and the bike rider came all the way up through traffic and was going straight on through, no stopping. How was I supposed to see him and know he was going to go straight through the light? And then he flipped me off? I don’t think so- get off the road during rush hour, and when on the road OBEY the laws like everyone else.

By taylor

May 1, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

The only people that dont want bicycles on the road are the people that are too fat and lazy too ride them. Bikes have just as much right on the road as any car or truck out there. I pay taxes on my truck and if I’m riding my bike I’m not driving my truck so the taxes paid on my truck that isnt being used should cover the bike while it is being used!

With gas prices the way they are and expected to double in the next 10yrs, you people need to get used to bikes because they are here to stay!

Share the road!

By taylor

May 1, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

The only people that dont want bicycles on the road are the people that are too fat and lazy too ride them. Bikes have just as much right on the road as any car or truck out there. I pay taxes on my truck and if I’m riding my bike I’m not driving my truck so the taxes paid on my truck that isnt being used should cover the bike while it is being used!

With gas prices the way they are and expected to double in the next 10yrs, you people need to get used to bikes because they are here to stay!

Share the road!

By Law abiding

May 1, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

To all the excellent, law-abiding drivers here who never break any law… hello? Anyone? I didn’t think so. Same to cyclists… Anyone?

Use your brains and a little common courtesy people. It’s dangerous out there.

By sandy

May 1, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

According to the LAW, if you are riding a bike, you must be on the road, or a designated Bike Path. No sidewalks. They are also ALLOWED by LAW to ride two abreast. Which is MUCH safer for them and you, because you actually have to safely pass them in order to get by, not “swipe” them. Yes, the big masses of cyclists ARE hard to pass sometimes, but they are never going faster than 9-25 miles per hour, and I KNOW you can all drive 26 miles per hour…can’t you? You certainly do seem to do so. I only ride my bike on the Comet Trail because so many drivers are rude and even menacing. Anyone who says all cyclists should stay on the sidewalk : 1) Is Ignorant of the law 2) Has probably not ridden a bike since they were a kid. You can’t ride on sidewalks consistently here. It. Is. Not. Possible. Go try it!

By Uzuri

May 1, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

Get out of the way! We need more bike lanes along the sidewalk so that traffic isn’t interrupted.

By Taxpayer

May 1, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

I paid over $10k in property taxes last year. I have 7 cars that are registered, liscensed, insured and taxed. I’ve paid the same amount whether I choose to drive or ride my bike on a particular day.

Do I pay enough to get to ride my bike on the road?

By JustMe

May 1, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

First, let’s talk reality….

Nine out of ten bikers do not follow the rules of the road. They run traffic lights. They don’t give proper signals. They weave in and out and around cars.

Police (in Atlanta at least) refuse to ticket these bikers that break the law.

With this reality, NO bikers should not be on our roadways. They create traffic jams, car accidents, and also put themselves in harm’s way.

IF the bikers followed the law like everyone else, then fine - I could tolerate it. But, that will never happen.

By hybridatl

May 1, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

Bikes and cars can coexist on our roads but there is a lack of consideration/respect for those who choose to not drive. The drivers who threaten bikers with their ‘maneuvers’ are the same ones who exhibit road rage and nothing more. This has nothing to do with taxes, who owns the road, or anything else. The same idiot drivers who pass bikers within inches of their lives, blow their horns to scare the !$#%^ out of them, or scream obscenities out the window are the same ones who will risk the lives of other drivers. Think about it? Bike lanes would be the safest alternative, but that’s not gonna happen. With gas at almost $4/gal and climbing fast, you’ll see alot more of us out there. Just have some respect for each other people… if that’s possible.

By sandy

May 1, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

PS: Also, as for the big groups of riders: They cannot possibly ride that way at the Comet Trail…it is not possible, because there are little kids and strollers and dogs everywhere along the narrow path. Which, is wonderful! And it’s great for riding by yourself or with one or two buddies. But, the big group rides could not happen there. They HAVE to ride on the road! Yes, as I said, they are a little harder to pass sometimes, but think of it this way: If they were broken up into groups of 2 or 4, then you would have to pass 10 times, not once. Just sayin’

By Ron Cordell

May 1, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

By GA_Tiger Fan

May 1, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

NO, they hog the road and do not obey the laws. Find another place to ride!

By Jessamine

May 1, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Bottom line, it’s not a question of should we use the roadways - we HAVE to because it’s the law. If we ride on the sidewalk we DO get ticketed.

And, I own 3 houses and a car that I pay taxes on if you somehow think I’m using “your” road for free. If paying an additional tax on my bike will get you to stop trying to run over me I will do it in a heartbeat.

And, during rush hour, my husband who commutes on Briarcliff daily can more than keep up with the flow of traffic because it is only moving at 5 miles an hour.

There really needs to stop being so much anger at cyclists. You have a 3,000 lb car. Trust me, we’re more afraid of you than you are of us.

By John

May 1, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

So Scrappy, did you have your signal on? I don’t know how many times I’ve been riding, legally on the shoulder, and some jerk in a car comes up beside me and then whips in front of me to make a right turn…no signal, no indication at all of intent. Once I got knocked over, driver just kept on going…so it goes both ways, but the overwhelming number of jerks on the road are in automobiles.

By alan

May 1, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

Can you imagine how much nicer the world would be if everybody that could would ride bikes? Pollution would be minimum, people would be healthier and happier. We would not be slaves to the oil industry anymore…

SUV’s….Booooo! Bikes….yeah!

By cane

May 1, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

For all of those who suggest bikes ride on the sidewalk, it’s illegal to do so. Plus the chances of getting hit by a car on the sidewalk are greater because cars pulling up to intersections pull past the sidewalk before stopping. Not a problem if the bike is in the road.

Bikes are currently allowed to be in the road and that law isn’t going to change. Motorist will just have to get used to sharing the road with bikes.

By Beleagered Cyclist

May 1, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Many of these posts from drivers seem to be of the opinion that cyclists are some snooty lawless breed that carelessly flaunt the law in front of heavily burdoned drivers. I’ll I have to say is: try it for a while. Bike through Atlanta. I biked over three years in the most dense areas (mid-town, and YIKES Buckhead) and have found the drivers are the main culpitrits not following laws and endangering cyclists and pedestrirans. Helmets? Turn signals? Rolling through stop signs and intersections? If motorists were better role models…

By Rider

May 1, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

Same road, same rights. Let ‘em ride and survive. Though I probably could comfortably do the ride between my home and office downtown, the state of the road surfaces (Peachtree, Piedmont, West Peachtree) would cause so much damage to my bike that I’d rather not.

For those who like to intimidate cyclists and tailgate us, I sometimes ride with an off-duty policeman who has carries his badge and side-arm on rides. You should see the reactions and sudden vigilence from motorists when he flashes his badge at some backwoods a**hole or car-full of ruffians.

By Steve-o

May 1, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

Sandy,

I feel that the comment you just made is the very point of this topic. It is not about the 1 or 2 bikes on the road. They are not the problem. The problem is the roads are not the tour de France. Think about this….what if at rush hour, or a road that has 12 curves and turns was held up by a funeral brigade. As in a line of cars going slower than the posted speed limit. Thus creating a huge traffic debacle. I really feel it comes down to courtesy and paying attention. But what are those these days???

By judge

May 1, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

The problem here is that everybody is in such a hurry these days they dont want to have to slow down for bikes. Whats the big hurry, wherever you are going will still be there if you are held up a extra 30 seconds.

If you dont like me and my bicyle on the road…take another route!

By zeke

May 1, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

As long as they do not impede traffic, obey all rules including re lights, right of way, stop signs, etc., they should be able to use roadways! Problem is, just like motocycle riders, they ignore rules of the road constantly, putting themselves and car drivers in jeapordy! Any on stupid enough to ride a 50# bicycle in lanes with 3000# to 10000# vehicles had better learn and obey the rules of the road!! But, when accidents occur you nuts in city hall, county council and state law enforcement will continue to BLAME THE AUTO DRIVERS!!! Another problem for drivers, the stupid buses stop in the travel lanes and impede traffic! If the area insists on providing bus service at the rape of taxpayers, get them off the roads when they stop and out of the traffic lanes!!!!!

By AM

May 1, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

I don’t own a bike, and haven’t in many years, but I got cut off by a soccer mom in a Tahoe the other day. I think we should ban all the Tahoes, since I’ve seen some Tahoe drivers that I don’t like the look of and I think they’re all wasteful, selfish, and killing the environment. Obviously, there are no safe Tahoe drivers out there, because one cut me off. They’re also slow, and since I have a Nissan 350Z they should get out of my way before I blow their doors off.

Yes, there are some pompous, self-righteous, arrogant bikers out there who think they’re more special and important than anyone else. I’m not going to let them turn me into a pompous, self-righteous, arrogant Nissan driver.

Be careful who you want banned, because someday somebody might want to ban your car. And you’ll have been so busy wanting to ban people that nobody will be there to look out for you.

By saywhat?

May 1, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

I constantly see car/truck drivers change lanes and make turns without signaling, run red lights, pass other cars illegally,weave recklessly through traffic, speed, follow other cars too closely, etc. Should motor vehicles be banned from the road ways because of this? So why bikes? All you “law abiding” car drivers need to suck it up and obey the laws regarding sharing the road with bicycles. If you can’t follow the laws, don’t drive.

I am personally all for police officers ticketing cyclists who flagrantly break the law, especially those who ride on the wrong side of the road, or run red lights.

By kresGT

May 1, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

I have to laugh at all the cycling homers talking about rules of the road. Cyclists do nto follow the rules, They pass on shoulders, run red lights and stop signs, andd rive so slowly that it is dangerous. Cyclists obey the laws when it benefits them and ignore them when it is to their advantadge.

By Steve-u

May 1, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

Steve-o, one car going less than the posted speed limit will create a line of cars…

By Jen

May 1, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

I commute the short 3.5 miles to work by bike. I only take residential streets…but that’s because it’s the shortest route by bike or car.

I can tell you that motorists go down Oakdale or Lullwater at speeds of 40-45mph. The limit is 25mph because it’s a residential street.

I’m a cyclist who maintains her place in line at traffic lights and stops. I also own a motorcycle and I just ride my bike like I do my motorbike. It’s not that hard, cyclists.

I WILL take the center of the lane if the lane is particularly narrow, ie, bumpouts, or if I am the first in line at an intersection and want to make a left turn, etc.

I have to say that it makes me angry to see the cyclists who ride up on the right past a queue of cars to get to the front. That’s not only illegal it’s dangerous and it rightly angers motorists. And I see this as common among fancy cyclists wearing fancy clothes as I do the no-helmet college boy in his flip-flops and cargo shorts.

Please stop doing. Now, don’t respond to this request by point a finger at the motorist or by playing woe is me. Just stop it.

And motorists, get over yourselves and get on a bike. You will feel a lot better if you’re not stuck in your car all day.

And city of Atlanta, please keep installing bike paths for commuters.

By EJ

May 1, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

What a backwards society we have here. Ever other city in the nation allows bikes and here you are debating whether or not they should be allowed to use the road.

For the ignorant, cars and bikes pay no taxes. Cyclists and drivers do.

For the ignorant, cyclists follow the laws at about the same percentage as drivers do. As soon as you pass us you are above the speed limit for your drive. You do not use turn signals. You drive on the shoulders when the backup is too long at the light.

Cyclists know the laws. It is the drivers that need the refresher course.

Cyclists have the legal right to ride to abreast. Yet they do not. Why? They are trying to be cooperative.

Why are the drivers so angry? Because at the next light, the cyclists passes them while they sit and wait, stuck in their vehicle.

By Anonymous

May 1, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

As far as whether it is one or two cyclists or a group, there was no passing that group of 22 cyclists I had the misfortune to be behind. It was a narrow two lane and lots of traffic coming from the other direction - I had to follow slowly along until the lanes finally widened and we went different ways - so I lost alot more than “an extra 30 seconds”.

By mark

May 1, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

Should 1/3 of surface streets be closed to commuter traffic except buses and bicycles during rush hour?

By Choose roads more wisely

May 1, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

I don’t mind sharing the road, and I don’t mind that groups of cyclists like to get out and ride during lunch hours/after work/on the weekends. It would be great if there were bike lanes in the Milton and South Forsyth area, but there aren’t.

The biggest issue I have with packs of cyclists is that if you are out for exercise/sport (not commuting), you can choose the roads on which you travel. Where I live, there are some cycling groups that regularly choose to ride on very windy, well-trafficked two-lane roads. These roads are in good shape and are mainly flat, but they are double yellow lines the majority of the way.

I have been behind as many as 60 cyclists before in Milton, Alpharetta and Cumming. Some are in a tight pack, but others are single file or two abreast with small pockets of empty space between cyclists. It’s one curve or slight hill after another, and with so many cyclists spaced the way they are, it’s nearly impossible to pass safely on this type of road.

Yet, these curvy roads are the ones the cycling clubs in my area are choosing. I have also seen huge trucks (not big SUVs, but dump trucks) use these roads regularly, and I cringe at the thought of one of those big trucks coming around the corner and hitting a cyclist.

I guess I would ask the cycling groups to choose routes for their outings that make it possible for everyone to share the road.

By Jen

May 1, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Why are the drivers so angry? Because at the next light, the cyclists passes them while they sit and wait, stuck in their vehicle.

Isn’t it illegal to do this? Aren’t cyclist required to stay off the shoulder (improper lane usage) and not share the lane (improper lane usage)?

Like I said, I commute by bike to work but seeing cyclists do just this makes me mad.

By Avid Cyclist

May 1, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

Illegal to pass on the right when cars are stopped?

I can see it now. Cyclists sit 10 cars back and wait their turn. The light turns green, all the cars ahead accelerate away, and you are the driver behind the bike waiting for it to get to through the intersection before the light turns red again.

So how long do you think it would be before you were honking your horn and screaming? I thought so…..

By Dunwoody Cyclist

May 1, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

There is no question at hand - Cyclists DO have the right to the roads. Perhaps cars should not be allowed.

By Steve-o

May 1, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

To Steve-u,

Touche. I think you are stating the obvious. My point is that I feel the same thought applies to the silver comet trail is like the road. As in…the silver comet is only wide enough for two bikes. The same rule for the road…two bikes abreast. Now, in Sandy’s comment she stated that big group rides can not happen on the silver comet. Well…big groups don’t belong on the roads either. So some patience and courtesy should be applied to both. You should treat the silver comet like the road. Bikes should not be in huge packs or groups on the road. Not tryin to get into a p** match….but common sense always seems to be the key.

By freddy

May 1, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

Jen,

I thought you had a scooter..

By Dave

May 1, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

It is absurd that the AJC would even pose this as a question. In the interest of balance perhaps later they will post a follow up question, “Should drivers use roadways?”

Whether or not cyclists should be on the roads is not a matter of opinion; it is the law. To reiterate what has already been said: it is illegal in Georgia for adult cyclists to ride on the sidewalk, and for good reason — riding on the sidewalk is in many ways more dangerous for cyclists, not to mention a serious hazard for pedestrians.

A message for other cyclists reading this: the most important thing is to be a confident and assertive rider. Do not allow yourself to be intimidated by aggressive drivers. Treat yourself like any other vehicle: obey all traffic laws, and don’t be afraid to “take the lane” if it is too narrow for a driver to pass safely on the left — this is entirely within your right. And don’t shy away from “big” streets either; I ride down Peachtree, 10th, Marietta, Ponce, etc. all the time and have never had a serious altercation with another vehicle.

Overall, my experience as a cyclist in Atlanta has been overwhelmingly positive, and if they gave it a try I think most people would be surprised at what a pleasant alternative to driving it is. The best way to create a better environment for cyclists is to have more of us out there asserting our right to the road.

By Jen

May 1, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

Avid Cyclist,

It doesn’t matter how you envision it. It’s the law and I wish cops would ticket cyclists more for doing this.

Accountability on both sides.

By Kyle

May 1, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

I have to say that KresGT is completely wrong. I ride my bike to work every day. I obey every traffic rule out there. I dont even speed!!!

By Jeff

May 1, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

Well, down here in South GA, there are ZERO bike lanes.

And in certain areas of Albany, traffic is usually WORSE than ANYTHING you see in ATL. (And I used to live/work in ATL, so I know what I’m talking about!)

And while I TYPICALLY say that Bikers should follow traffic laws, it is flat out NOT SAFE to ride WITH traffic, so I support biking AGAINST traffic so that you can see what is coming.

By Beleagered Cyclist

May 1, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Being an Atlanta cyclist, twice I’ve been honked at warned to Get Out of the Way by a tailgating motorist while riding THROUGH A GROCERY STORE PARKING LOT. Here we are, both going the same speed limit through a tight area, yet because I’m on a bike I’m supposed to yeild immediately? Four dollar a gallon gas, eh? Hope it goes up to eight, sucka!

By Jen

May 1, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

Freddy, I did but it broke and the repair cost was the same as replacement so I bought a motorbike.

However, technically, scooters are motorcylces.

By Sean

May 1, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

@Jen Lane splitting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_splitting) should be legal in Georgia.

By metalman

May 1, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

What a silly thread. Bikes can ride on the roads - it is the law. They have to follow the rules of traffic and are afforded the rights and responsibilities of any vehicle. There is nothing to debate here. Any driver who wishes to ban cyclists on the basis they might be slowed or otherwise inconvenienced is a d*che bag idiot. Almost every cyclist is also a driver and therefore had payed for their share of the maintenance and upkeep of the roads - to think otherwise is infantile.

By CD

May 1, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

Are bicyclists really “saving the environment” when they literally slow 1,000 cars down or make them accelerate and brake unnecessarily, causing inefficiency in gasoline usage? Also, if you have an accident and hit a minivan, you put a $200 dent in the vehicle. If you hit a bicyclist, they die and have a lawsuit you’ll never be able to repay. No one wants to have an accident, but accidents happen. This wasn’t designed to be a bicycling / environmentalist city. You’re not going to change the world by p** people off.

By papajones

May 1, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

Bicyclists and motor vehicles cannot coexist on Atlanta’s narrow, crowded main thorofares. If bicyclists want to use these roads, then they should be required to register their bicycles, purchase bicycle license plates, take a bicycle driver’s test, carry a bicycle driver’s license, and pay a road use tax. Money generated from these activities could then be used to install bicycle paths along those major thorofares where bicycle traffic has been shown to impede the flow of motor vehicles.

By Common Sense

May 1, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

Can one of you who claim it is illegal for bikes to ride past cars when they are stopped cite the specific code they are violating? Are you telling me that it is always illegal for a car to pass a bike?

By JS

May 1, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

I just wish that they would drive on the bike paths already established. I continually see bikers riding in the roadway right beside the bike path!

By Jen

May 1, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Sean, lane-splitting isn’t legal in Georgia and I think it’s an unsafe practice for a bike to split a lane with a car. I could see it being okay for a motorbike and bike or 2 bikes.

Here’s the ref for lane-splitting. It’s for motorcycles but I imagine it applies to bicycles:

Code 40-6-312 (b) The operator of a motorcycle shall not overtake and pass in the same lane occupied by the vehicle being overtaken. (c) No person shall operate a motorcycle between lanes of traffic or between adjacent lines or rows of vehicles.

By Logical Dude

May 1, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Cyclists should be separated from cars with a bicycle lane. Since Georgia is so short-sighted as to not include bicycle lanes, we are stuck with have bicycles share the road.
SHARE THE ROAD.

Learn how to deal with cyclists when in your car. If you hate dealing with cyclists, do something about it. Write your representative and request bicycle lanes added to all highways, thoroughfares and main roads.
What? You don’t hate the cyclists enough to write your representative, and just complain about it when someone asks?
Then learn to SHARE THE ROAD.

By h ryder

May 1, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

I do not bike on any well trafficed roads. I do agree that bikers should follow all traffic rules as should all vehicle operators. That includes adhering to posted speed limits at all times. When vehicles carrying bikes, obviously to soon ride, zoom by me on Columns Drive at 40-65 MPH something is drastically wrong with the brains of those persons behind the wheel of the speeding vehicles. When ticketed, the moronic violater usual offers the excuse of selective law enforcement, rather than always driving within the speed limit and having less liklihood of causing a death due to an operational error on the part of either a biker or driver.

By Jen

May 1, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

Section 2, page 41 of the Georgia Driver’s Manual for 2008 discusses what’s acceptable for passing:

http://www.dds.ga.gov/docs/forms/FullDriversManual.pdf

It is not always illegal for a car to pass a bike but a car must clear the lane (move completely into the other lane) and they can only cross into other lanes when it’s legal to do so (check out the yellow or white dashed or solid lines). Same rules for passing another car or motorcycle.

By kresGT

May 1, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

When a cyclist is causing huge delays on major highways during rushour like occurred on HWY 5 a couple of weeks ago, it’s time to re-examine the law.

By TIme Out

May 1, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Yes a lot of cyclists, perhaps most cyclists do not obey the traffic laws as required. The police could start enforcing the laws and that would put an end to that. But after reading these posts, I have to agree with some of the cyclists. Most of these people that are complaning about cyclists are probably “fat gooey people” who could not pedal a bike twenty feet if their life depended on it. This country is full of people who are jealous of fit people. Slowly we are attempting to justify being unhealthy. We want models to gain weight and we have all seen the incredibly obese Monique talk about how sexy it is to be fat. I would suggest that some of you people start a work out program and after you begin to see the results perhaps you can understand why these cyclists put their lives at risk to cycle in the street. And by the way they are allowed to do this under the law. However you people could go complain to the Govnuh, he certianly seems to enjoy taking away peoples choices.

By janet

May 1, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Say what you want about cyclists, I enjoy the view as a cyclist or a group of them passes me - best tight butts around. Worth stopping and enjoying the view. Thanks guys.

By janet

May 1, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Say what you want about cyclists, I enjoy the view as a cyclist or a group of them passes me - best tight butts around. Worth stopping and enjoying the view. Thanks guys.

By Jen

May 1, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

I’m certainly not anti-cyclist. When I was in college I didn’t have a car, only a bike, and that was back when it wasn’t all that common to wear a helmet!

And now that I live close to work I commute by bike again (now I wear a helmet, have LEDs flashing, reflective strips, etc).

I would love to see more people, especially city dwellers who have a relatively short commute, biking as part of daily life.

And yes, drivers here are way behind the times when it comes to commuting cyclists.

But, there ARE plenty of problem cyclists out there…and they need to stop pointing their fingers at everyone else.

By Georgia74

May 1, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

These are the rudest bunches of people I have ever witnessed. They should all be required to take acourse in common sense etiquette( however you spell it). I amazed there aren’t 15 a day killed.

By John Tackett

May 1, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

Hey JustMe… Cyclist don’t follow the rules!! Then why do cities have to put up “red light cameras?” And as for cops ticketing cyclist when they break the law, as long as they ticket motorist who don’t signal, don’t stop for peds in the sidewalk, and exceed the speed limit (which by the is something most cyclist don’t do.)

As a cyclist that rides 20 miles a day to and from work, i have no issue with a licenses fee, I have already taken a safe cycling course (do all drivers have to take a safe driving course to get a license?), I pay property and car taxes. I have a headlight on the front and 2 flashing red lights on the back.

But when the city of Atlanta narrows streets and removes bike lanes (Lindbergh road, Peachtree Hills, E. Wesley road) for traffic calming, what is that saying - it is saying that the city needed to slow down motorist, not cyclist!! Even the mayor herself has stated that she was not aware that many of the streets in Atlanta were designated for cyclist with lanes. You can see the old paint on Peachtree from the bike lanes, maybe the city needs to repaint them.

I was hit by a driver who thought that my left turn signal was a “come around” signal, despite the fact that I was in the center of the lane. She had to cross a double yellow line to pass me. She pleaded “nolo contendre” and got off with a $50 fine, despite the fact that I spent 4 days in Grady hospital. BTW, the driver took a driving course in school but was not taught how to use hand signals or interact with cyclist (Not that people use turn signals already in the vehicle.)

There are issues on both sides of the debate. Yes I have seen arrogant cyclist, but the same is for drivers (I have heard of road rage, but never cycling rage.) But Atlanta, and the surrounding communities do not consider cyclist when planning roads or updating roads. I will continue to ride my bike, and if I have to deal with drivers that believe that I should not be there, I will deal with it. After all, I can remember when certain people did not think that blacks should sit at the same lunch counter as whites. It has taken some time, but we overcame that issue as well.

KEEP ON PEDALING!!!

By JD

May 1, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

I would hope that, with the recent studies of Atlanta’s air quality, there would be more focus on funding bike lanes, bike trails, and other means of accessing the city. With so much development and redevelopment going on in the metro area there is great opportunity to make Atlanta a bike-friendly city.

Having said that, the idea is to share the road, meaning that motorists follow the rules of the road and do what they can to accomodate cyclists, and that cyclists should follow the rules of the road and be mindful of how their actions affect motorists. It is the ones from both parties who disregard the rules that make it onerous for both.

As a private pilot, I have to live with the disparity that not following the rules means that my license could be revoked while watching motorists get away with near-murder. Not only do I have to worry about regulations, I have to consider how my actions affect others, possibly to the point where I don’t do something that is perfectly legal just because it’s going to cause problems, provoke irritation and reflect upon my fellow pilots. Cyclists, just because we can do something doesn’t mean we should. Be considerate of motorists; avoid being a hindrance to auto traffic in peak times if possible. Consider that your failure to follow rules or even to just be considerate reflects on the rest of us and leads to the blanket accusations above. The expectation of cyclists to be perfect in following traffic laws may not be fair and may even be hypocritical, but that’s life.

By Time Out

May 1, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Hey John, I enjoyed reading your post, however you should have left your last sentence off. Please don’t start talking about when blacks couldn’t sit at the lunch counter. You obviously don’t know these people well. All it takes is a spark to start it. Wait for it……

By gttim

May 1, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

As far as the law goes, it is a right for cyclists to use the roads. It is a privilege, that can be revoked, for a motorist to use the road.

The law on lane splitting applies to motorcycles not bicycles. I will ride by a long line of cars at a red light on my bike. If there are only a few I will not. I am not going to sit through numerous red lights in a traffic jam caused by cars.

If your logic is that cyclists should not be able to use the roads because a few cyclists break the laws, then no motorists should be allowed on the road because a much higher percentage of them break the law. Take a radar gun out onto the highway or watch how many motorists drive through a red light during rush hour.

“When vehicles carrying bikes, obviously to soon ride, zoom by me on Columns Drive at 40-65 MPH…”

I live on Columns and run or ride there 4-5 times a week. It is not the cars carrying bikes who are going so fast. It is the older, angry condo dwellers at the end who speed. I have watched a SUV driven by a condo owner (Hey Lawrie!), purposely veer into the bike lane trying to run cyclists off the road- right near a mother with a stroller. I have watch agressive driving by many condo/townhouse dwellers causing problems. It was funny after the condo/townhouse dwellers kept calling the police, the police finally did start monitoring Columns better. The result? Many motorists getting tickets, license checks, and finally some reduction in speed of the cars. I wish the Cobb County Police department would spend more time on Columns and more time monitoring cars all over the place. The streets should be safe, but never will be with the actions of drivers these days!

By John Tackett

May 1, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

Hey Time Out,

Only trying to make a point, but I have my flame resistant suit on, so I am ready. Not playing the race card, but I needed to make a strong point and that seemed to be a good analogy. Thanks for the heads up..

By baddabing

May 1, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

I am a cyclist and I ride lots of in town group rides that often are during Atlanta’s never ending rush hours. Most of the riding is in residential neighborhoods but we often have to use more popular busier roads to get from one area to another. I agree with the people that say cyclists need to follow the rules of the road. It irks me to see fellow cyclists go by cars waiting at intersections. I also know that there is safety in numbers and my in town rides are safer than rides I do on the Comet Trail. I know too many people that have left the Comet Trail via ambulance because of runners and walkers with IPODS who couldn’t hear them or dogs not tethered on a leash properly. Bottom line, move closer to where you work, spend more time running or riding so you won’t be so stressed out, and leave the cell phones and IPODS at home and enjoy this beautiful city.

By A hypocrit

May 1, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

A very common complaint I see in these comments is that bicyclists need to obey ALL the laws of the road.

How many drivers break the speed limit every single time they drive?

Drivers and cyclists BOTH break laws all the time. Just different laws.

By Edward

May 1, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

What if the argument was unrelated to bikes? What if the argument was ‘Should someone be allowed to drive 15-20 MPH in a 35, 45, 50 MPH zone?’ Doing so makes the road unsafe. The same problem applies to bikes. If they can keep up with the flow of traffic, then fine. Otherwise, they should be somewhere else.

By DW

May 1, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

I ride a road cycle, and many times a car will speed by me, dangerously close, many times forcing me to the curb or off the road completely. Nine times out of ten I soon catch up with the same car sitting at a red light or stop sign just ahead. Red lights and other drivers, and yapping on your cell phones cost you more time every day in traffic. Just cool it and let off the gas once in a while.

By DW

May 1, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this

I ride a road cycle, and many times a car will speed by me, dangerously close, many times forcing me to the curb or off the road completely. Nine times out of ten I soon catch up with the same car sitting at a red light or stop sign just ahead. Red lights and other drivers, and yapping on your cell phones cost you more time every day in traffic. Just cool it and let off the gas once in a while.

By Can't ride in Atlanta

May 1, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

Atlanta has the worst drivers I have ever seen. They don’t know how to share the road with anyone and never obey traffic laws.

How can anyone think that cyclists are the problem?

By decatur rider

May 1, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

I like the amount of car drivers on this post who act annoyed with bike riders not following the laws. It’s true, we have a tencendy to run the lights, not properly signal, etc. But, in case you have not driven a car lately, most of the vehicles on the road do the same exact thing. Constantly not signaling, running lights, stop signs, and on and on. So, if you expect us to follow the rules, try doing the same yourself. A little common courtesy goes a long way.

Also, I truly believe that most cyclist and motorist obey these rules, but it’s the ones who don’t that you remember.

By GoondocksFD

May 1, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

I am a cyclist and, as a Firefighter/ Paramedic, I feel That I AM a productive member of society. I feel like the fire station and my home ARE real destinations. I work hard so that everyone in the house can come home safely to their families. I also strive to keep the citizens and visitors of my city safe. I don’t feel that my life should be placed in danger because of ignorant and impatient drivers who won’t afford me my legal right to get some exercise and save my family some gas money to and from work. My taxes ALREADY go to road maintenance and construction and I will bet you my paycheck( however small) that my 23 pound bicycle has not done the road damage in its 20+ year lifetime that your car does on a trip to Starbucks.If you see me getting on or off my bicycle, stop me and talk to me. I am sure will find that I am an intelligent, reasonable and compassionate person and not the selfish “green” Nazi you imagine that I am. I’ve commuted by car. It’s not for me. Don’t knock it until you try it. I would think your anger would be better directed towards oil companies with ever increasing profits and politicians who continue to provide them with subsidies with no knowledge, input, or regard for how they are spent, but I guess thats a topic for another day.

By HONK if you're DEAF!

May 1, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

Hell NO, not until they follow the SAME rules as cars. When have you ever seen a bike stop at a stop sign?

Or, move the hell over as in “SLOW traffic keep right?”

And that spandex is disgusting on OLD MEN!

By kresGT

May 1, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Let’s look at who we are dealing with here.

These people are on par with politicians and lawyers in terms of scumminess. I realize some of you are decent people with good intentions, but you are the vast minority. Most cyclists are the bottom of the barrel when it comes to decent human beings.

By Hey brainless

May 1, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

What does paying taxes have to do with it….I pay SCHOOL taxes, and I don’t have any kids…Come up with a REAL argument!

By JD

May 1, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

What if the argument was unrelated to bikes? What if the argument was ‘Should someone be allowed to drive 15-20 MPH in a 35, 45, 50 MPH zone?’ Doing so makes the road unsafe.

The person driving 15-20 MPH does not make the road unsafe. The way that people react to the person driving 15-20 MPH, makes the road unsafe. That’s like saying that the person driving the speed limit on I-285 makes I-285 unsafe, rather than the efforts of the drivers to get around that person so they can get home 5 minutes sooner.

Interesting thought: if motorists drove a uniform speed, stayed in their lane except to exit, didn’t tailgate, and drove responsibly, 1) we’d have fewer traffic problems, 2) we’d have fewer accidents causing traffic problems, 3) we’d all save on gas and 4) we’d probably all get there in less time. It’s the “get-out-of-my-way” mentality that causes road rage, accidents, and makes bicycle vs. car dialogues like this so contentious.

By Oh please

May 1, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

John Tackett — You did not play the race card. You just made an asinine analogy. Cycling, and driving are not civil rights. Besides, cyclists already have the right to ride on the roads. And they do. Everyday.

Cyclists need not fear being arrested simply because they commuted to work by bicycle today or enjoyed an evening ride. They need not live in fear of their houses being torched or their family being lynched because they chose to ride on the roads. Also, never have the local police or the national guard pulled out the water hoses to stop a bunch of cyclists from riding down the road.

Yes, drivers and cyclists can be rude. Yes, bike lanes and other bike-friendly venues would be welcome. And yes, cyclists might take on a bigger risk in terms of major injuries and fatalities than a driver every time they head out on the roads.

But to equate cyclists’ struggles to better and more-safely enjoy their workout or commute with the struggles of an entire race to enjoy even the most basic American rights is insulting.

By malika

May 1, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

i lived in virginia highlands, and before my bike was stolen, i regularly rode my bike to work near city hall east. i stayed on the sidewalks, i was smart enough to never ride straight through stop signs or red lights and i had no problem riding around pedestrians, even if it meant i had to slow down or even stop to walk my bike past them. as a driver now, i simply don’t see why bike riders can’t be as cautious and courteous as i was.

By Jonny

May 1, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

I bike quite a bit. When I bike to GSU along Dekalb Ave, I am on the sidewalk. I mean, to be on the road is inviting being maimed, paralyzed, or worse. On the non residential roads, bikes should be on the sidewalk for safety reasons and for reasons of not having a vehicle that can maintain proper speed on the roadway. I believe if a car cannot keep up with the speed limit, it is legally barred from being on the roadway. How can this not apply to bicycles?

I think some nice sidewalk widening would be fantastic on those non residential roadways to accommodate for bicycles and pedestrians. Being a biker myself, traversing along busy roads is too dangerous for me. I know a guy, PhD, successful professional, wife, kids, that got hit while riding his bike. He’s now mentally incapacitated and paralyzed from the neck down.

He is one of God’s creatures and I believe his reward with come… but I don’t want to carry out the rest of my worldly days like him. I stay on the sidewalks.

By Edward

May 1, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

JD-

Using your argument, it’s not the person that yells ‘Fire’ in a crowded theater that makes it unsafe, it’s the way people react to the person who yelled that make things unsafe.

Or, it’s not the person that runs out in front of a speeding truck that makes the situation unsafe, it’s the way the truck reacts that makes the situation unsafe.

But thank you for making my argument for me: “Interesting thought: if motorists drove a uniform speed, stayed in their lane except to exit, didn’t tailgate, and drove responsibly…”

You are exactly right. If everyone drove the same speed…at the speed limit…then we wouldn’t have a need for this discussion.

Like it or not, roads were primarily built for automobiles. Otherwise, they could just be 2 feet wide, and we’d save a lot of money. Therefore, anything that serves as a hinderance to normal traffic flow, whether it be slow drivers, bicycles, or the pedestrian that doesn’t understand the concept of a crosswalk, will make the situation dangerous.

By Shawn

May 1, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

Honk if you’re deaf and several others here are abosolutly right. The reality is a bike is NOT the same as a car so get that $#$% out of and off the road. This is at the top of my pet peeve list. Arrogant azz cyclist acting as if they own the road and riding in the street when there is a sidewalk for them to ride on. Not obeying ANY kind of rules. And John Tackett, you can never compare cycling to the plight of African American’s 400 plus years of oppression. You “MUST” be one of the cyclist that we’ve all mentioned who just doesnt get it to even mention such a statement.

By Leona

May 1, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Thurston - I feel the pain that you and Lovie are experiencing. This weekend, I’ll send over a chauffeur - after all, I don’t really need three any longer - and I tremble to think of the poor cyclists that may get injured just because you two are trying to do your best. (And - there’ll be a case of 2006 Napa in the trunk - exquisite and ready to drink now!) Cheers!

By Tinky

May 1, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

GROUP HUG!

By TomL

May 1, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

This works both ways. Serious drivers treat bicycles as burdened vehicles.

No one would run a slow moving vehicle…whether it’s your mail carrier, trash truck, or grandmother off the road for driving ahead of them. Some motorists seem to think this is great sport with cyclists.

Bicylists: For your part stay to the right of your lane when riding uphill to give cars an opportunity to pass safely. For your safety, take the lane when moving at traffic speed and ANY TIME you pass through an intersection.

By Gruff

May 1, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

I don’t mind if one person or a small group of people are riding along the side of the road in SINGLE FILE… but when bikers ride in the middle of the lane, next to each other, or in swarms (when they KNOW there are cars behind them), their arrogance and pretension drives me crazy! Then if you try to pass them, they yell at you and flip you off… as if you should just wait for them to turn out of your way. Also, stop signs apply to ALL users of the road; bikers are NOT exempt!!!

By dawgfan

May 1, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

I can’t believe I moved back this backward a* redneck hellhole.

You idiots realize its against the law for cyclists to ride on sidewalks?

And what sidewalks are you talking about? There aren’t any of those either!! Should we have a separate tax for people who walk just pay for sidewalks as well?

But you all just sit idling in your Lexus’ and Ford F350s and every time you flick me off while riding my bike I just laugh at the absurdity of this region.

By Charlie

May 1, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

If they pass a driving test, get a valid drivers license, pay the annual ad volurem taxes and follow ALL of the rules of the road then they should be permitted to use the road.

We should NOT have differing rules based on what you drive. If you are using the roads the same rules should apply to ALL types of drivers.

By Matthew H.

May 1, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

When gas goes up to $5 a gallon in a few months and people really can’t afford to drive any more, they are going to soften their stance on cycling.
As a daily bike commuter, I don’t feel threatened by all this bike-hating rhetoric because soon enough everyone will have to ride a bike or walk. And it will be good for them and their fat, Quick Trip chili dog-eating asses.

By bikndrive4evr&pray

May 1, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

Our extended family has been cycling in Atlanta since the 1890’s. I’ve been bike commuting to school and work since 1966. I ride in the road with traffic and select my routes carefully. I obey the traffic laws as they apply to me. I want motorists to think that I’m the most courteous and careful cyclist they’ve ever seen. I’ve been known to pull off the road rather than needlessly block traffic on certain curves and hills, but I’m assertive enough to stay on the road when motorists can share the road easily.

Shame on cyclists who blatantly disregard the laws. Too bad law enforcement is lax on cyclists.

Shame on the parents who don’t require their kids to take safe cycling seriously, including having them wear helmets, according to state law. No wonder so many of them grow up to be terrible drivers.

Shame on road engineers and so-called experts who think 11 foot lanes are wide enough for motorists and cyclists to share without stress.

Efforts to force cyclists to ride on poorly maintained trails or sidewalks amount to transportational bigotry. Those who advocate such nonsense should try to deal with all the curb cuts, tree roots and awkward intersection entries and exits that are the bane of sidepaths. Then you’ll see why using the road is safer most of the time, and makes cycling a practical form of transportation.

I drive a car too, and I appreciate those cyclists who share the road carefully. As a driver, I give cyclists plenty of room when passing, and I don’t pass them when it’s not safe, like on a blind curve or hill. I expect cyclists to make mistakes and sadly, I expect most of them to ignore traffic laws.

Let’s have some civility on the road. I’ll do my part whether I’m cycling or driving. Until our roads are improved with proper lane width, we’ll all have to be patient with one another. Safe miles to you.

By Noelle

May 1, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

Cyclists should certainly use good judgment in the roads they choose. Any combination of narrow, heavily traveled, relatively high speed limit, and nonexistent shoulders/no bike lanes is a recipe for disaster, even if it’s technically legal for cyclists to use it. There’s nearly always a better alternative even along the most popular commuting routes.

However, it’s clear a lot of people posting here know nothing about bicycling safety or the law. Bicycles belong in the road, not on sidewalks, which are for pedestrians. Cyclists should ride with the flow of traffic (not against) and must obey all traffic laws. They should also stay as far to the side as possible, not in the middle of the lane, so cars can move around them. By the same token, though, drivers should be alert for cyclists and treat them the same as other cars when it comes to basic rules of the road (like who goes first at a four-way stop).

Obviously there are both drivers and cyclists who don’t obey the law or use common sense and courtesy. That doesn’t change the way things should be done.

By Homestar

May 1, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Matthew, when you get in my way on the road and I run down your lean bike-riding a*, it won’t help you one bit. Gas is already $6/gallon (or whatever per liter) in England and they’re still driving. It’s what we economists like to call inelastic demand … if it goes up to $10/gallon people will still drive. BECAUSE THEY NEED TO!

By Jen

May 1, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

Let’s stop talking about people being fat, okay.

I’m a bike commuter who’s fat. My cardiovascular system rocks, my muscles are strong, but my body fat sucks.

Biking to work does not make you not fat. It will make you healthier.

However, the point is that bike commuters (bicommuters?) have the same rights and restrictions as motor vehicles.

By Soryu

May 1, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

In other countries in major cities bicycles and motor scooters are given their own lanes where they won’t mingle with cars and get smashed like bugs.

The major issue in the US is many bicycles riders simply doing things that are simply idiotic which in the long run make it more dangerous for the bike rider.

What makes a 4-wheeler more angry than anything is having to pass you twice. If you pass him again by running along the side of the road to get at the head of the line at a red light, expect the next time you get passed by him for him to come as close to you as possible and at some point in the future he is going to misjudge and turn you into roadkill.

Making things angry that outweigh you by a ton or more is not very bright.

By dude

May 1, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

Bikers should be able to use the roadway. If they are slower and don’t move to the right, or if they go around stopped traffic & blow through stop signs & lights, they should get a ticket. This never happens. And just about all of the bikers I see (estimate %75) on the road do not follow the rules of the road. Which p** drivers off, and makes for a hostile environment for bikers like me.

By Tom

May 1, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

I keep reading it is the cyclists who “clog up” the roads..On the contrary, it is our car-centric society that is metro Atlanta. Combine too many cars with too many of those driving the cars that are dangerous drivers, and there’s your problem. Cyclists aren’t the problem.

By spirit of the times

May 1, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

Atlanta, you so richly deserve the horrible traffic problems that your city is famous for.

By Soryu

May 1, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

Jonny:

There are no minimum speeds on most roads. There are on Interstates, but bicycles are banned from those and if any person was crazy enough to try to ride a bike on an Interstate I bet the person would be killed if not by actually being hit by a car by being beat to death by an irate driver.

By Hassled

May 1, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

The operative words, folks, are rush hour. I encounter cyclists every day as I’m driving home from work. They are dressed in spandex and wearing helmets. It’s pretty obvious they aren’t coming home from work.

Is it asking too much for a cyclist to wait until 6:30 pm to go out for a ride on the highways, instead of going out there at 5 or 5:30? We drivers are happy you’re off from work early, but we’re tired, and we want to get home. Maybe a little civility and consideration on both sides would help solve the problem.

By Elmo Grogan

May 1, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

Do you recall those bumper stickers that cyclists are so fond of putting on their cars? (No irony there, eh?) They read: “Same road, same rules, same rights.” Pity there isn’t room for one more line: Same responsibilities.”

By CP

May 1, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Most of you whiny drivers are probably fat, disgusting, uneducated, suburban rednecks. Bikes are here to stay. Get over it, get a clue as to the LAW, and get some exercise yourselves. I commute to work on my bike. There are no bike lanes. In no way do I hog the road.

By Commuter

May 1, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

To Hassled When I commute home I change into my riding clothes as do many other people. Do you really think someone would ride in their suit or pants in Atlanta on a warm or hot day. Cycling specific clothing is designed to help remove moisture from the skin and help to evaporate it.

By Jen

May 1, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

Hye, CP do you live in CP?

Commuter, I wear my work clothes, which are admittedly casual. I’m 50lbs overweight and look ridiculous in spandex. Not comfortable wearing it. So I just ride home in my capri pants and lightweight polo….

By John

May 1, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

Yee haw…I knew we could be number 1 in something. Forbes just came out with it’s 10 worst cities for (automobile) commuting and guess what..Atlanta is #1 in that list…we are the worst city in the nation for commuting traffic…which we can add to be number 6th for pollution…congratulations to all of us, especially the bike-haters on this blog, we could not have made this “honor” without your forward thinking. I love being on my bike going over 285 and seeing the huge parking lot below..I always wave..hope you car-centric neanderthals choke on all that lovely exaust.

By Commuter

May 1, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Hey Elmo, Don’t talk about responsibilities. Most car drivers in Atlanta aren’t responsible. Just look at the people who use their car as a phone booth, breakfast room, dinner table, office cubicle, text messaging station, bathroom vanity, dressing room, etc. I can’t wait for the day that it is actually illegal to talk on your cell phone withour a hands free device while driving a car. I will write every ticket I can. When you get in your car, you are there to drive it. That’s it, nothing more. None of the above listed activities. When people can do that and be responsible, things might be different.

By Where's GDOT

May 1, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

If GDOT had any freaking clue, and they don’t, they would have bike lanes and PATH trails to activity centers where people would bike to: universities, middle schools, large parks, etc.

All of this frustration directed towards bicyclists and lousy drivers should instead be directed to the Georgia Dept. of Transportation (and elected officials). They’re the ones who created this mess.

I do have to say there are thousands of idiots metro ATL drivers who run red lights, not just putting themselves in harm’s way, but other drivers, pedestrians, bicyclists, etc.

By John

May 1, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

Hey Hassled…do you mind not leaving the office until..say 8:00 pm so that it will be easier for me to drive home?..I’m tired and want to get home earlier..without an extra vehicle clogging up the roads.

By John Tackett

May 1, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

To Oh please,

Poor analogy on my part, I will admit. But the point I was trying to make is that despite the difference and issues we as a society / group have had in past, we have always tried to overcome it. Whether it be a legal issue or civil issue, If we try, we can solve the issue.

Apologies to those I may have offended with the analogy.

And Oh Please, i was not looking at in racial terms, but you seemed to be. And i use my real name.. Anonymity can be construed as cowardice.

By Jessica

May 1, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

No,non-otorized vehicles ahould NOT be on the roads. Besides the obvious safety hazard, there is a fairness issue as well. In order for my car to be allowed on the road, it has to be registered with the State of GA and I have to carry auto insurance on it (which all cost me money to keep the roads in driving condition) on top of the tax I pay at the pump to put my car on the road. So if cyclist want to use the roads also, it should be mandatory for them to carry insurance and have to purchase a tag for the back of their bicycle, which is what I must do to use the roads for my car.

By Atlanta Biker

May 1, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

Ok I drive around Atlanta enough to know that cyclists haven’t taken over…some of you folks are just big babies…once in a blue moon you encounter someone on a bike and you lose 10 seconds of your life..boo hoo. You aren’t entitled to a delay-free life.

By ant1

May 1, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

So the roads have gotten to crowded for cyclists to use them. What happens when they get even more crowded? Should we not let women use the roads? Motorcycles? Old people? Any vehicle that gets more than 20 miles to the gallon? If you’ve got a problem with cyclists on the road, talk to your government. It’s not the cyclists’ presence that is the problem, but rather the inadequate infrastructure.

By CherokeeDave

May 1, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

I know I’m in the minority but understand, my home road in North Cherokee has become a mainline weekend staple for every Atlanta Cyclist Club running the mountain route. As an expert on this subject, I’ve seen repeatly the “majority” of group cyclist break every road use law on the books. From 4 abreast when they are suppose to keep to two, running stop signs in groups, passing cars in line at 4-way stops when they should fall in line, etc.etc. etc.) They are arrogant, selfish pinhead road rats that don’t follow simple road rules and you can’t get the local law enforcement to ticket them just as motorist who break the law are ticketed. They want fairness on the roads, then show us they mean to follow the same laws as motorist. I’m not exaggerating, this happens consisently every weekend on Yellow Creek Road and Hwy 369 in Norteast Cherokee county. I have respect for the individual rider, but the clubs are pathetic. They don’t deserve to be on the roads.

By Marilyn

May 1, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

No they don’t need to be on the roads.

The only cyclists we have encountered DO NOT obey the rules of the road. For instance, my spouse was cutting grass on a bank next to a major highway. A cyclist rode up behind him, my spouse did not see him, and the lawnmower blew grass on him. The cyclist turned around, got off his bike, came onto our property and threatened to whoop my spouse’s a@@. My spouse told him to get back on his bike before he called the law on him. The biker continued to threaten and finally my spouse told him if he advanced one more step he would deck him. The biker finally realized he wasn’t messing with someone who could easily be intimidate (or whooped).

By ant1

May 1, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

Jessica,

So the only people that should get the benefit of using a paved roads are those than can afford a car? Do you think that roads are built and maintained using car registration fees, gas taxes and auto insurance? People who do not own cars and cycle instead still pay all sorts of taxes that go to pay for road construction and maintenance. I pay taxes and insurance premiums for healthcare. Some people do not. Should they be left to die on the curb outside the hospital since they did not pay for the benefit of using a hospital, like I did? Should poor people who do not pay taxes not benefit from police protection? Please support your position with valid arguments or stay out of the discussion.

By Atlanta Biker

May 1, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

Jessica,

let me address your points: 1) As posted before, cyclist also drive and buy gas so we pay our share of the taxes…heavy trucks pay extra road use taxes because they do more damage to roads..seems like cyclist should get a tax break for using the road with minimal damage

2) Insurance..or more precisely..liability insurance. You have to carry it because of the high risk your damage might do to another vehicle or individual. Working in the insurance industry, I can tell you that the risk from a bicycle to anyone but him/herself is minimal.

3) License plates..frankly that would be fine with me but I doubt if the state of georgia deems the cost of producing the plates worth the minimal benefit from the relatively few cyclists that would require said plate. It’s not practical..yet.

By Wow

May 1, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

In other parts of the country, it actually raises property values when cities and communities are designed to be walkable and bikeable. Some cities and counties in the US actually try to make it somewhat easy to walk and bike to school, work, colleges, parks, etc.

By mike

May 1, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Cyclists don’t own the roads, but neither do drivers, although drivers like to think that they do since they are inside a 1-2 ton vehicle. If you are a driver that’s concerned about giving a cyclist a place to ride, or just want them out of your travel lane, write your commissioners and ask for more bike lanes, especially on major travel routes. This will allow people to actually bike somewhere useful and take more cars off the road reducing traffic.

By ant1

May 1, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

Yeah, cyclists are the only once who break laws of the road. Cars, on the other hand, never speed, never run red lights, always make complete stops at stops signs, never have accidents, or cause people to die, never create polution or dependance on other countries. They’re God’s gift to transportation. The perfect answer to all our problems. Cyclists on the other hand are extremely dangerous. It’s all a question of consequences.

By test

May 1, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

Bikers are too stinking slow for the street, they would be safer riding on the sidewalks. I think a person on a bike getting hit by a car would be worse than a person walking on the sidewalk, getting hit by a bike. Before the law changed, we used to ride on the sidewalks all the time, and I have never seen a person walking on the sidewalk get hurt by a biker. However I have seen several bikers get hit by cars.

By onlycritter

May 1, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

As a driver, I welcome bikes to share the street but only if they follow the rules….no two-wide, no running traffic lights, no lack of hand signals. As a frequent runner, I want them off the sidewalk so use the roadway.

By Concerned

May 1, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

Absolutely cyclists should be able to use the roadways. They have every right to be there. In fact, they often times abide by the traffic laws more than people in vehicles do. They certainly aren’t going over the posted speed limit in almost all cases, which you won’t find any Atlantan doing ever - speed limits are a joke everywhere in Atlanta! As far as riding on sidewalks, that’s illegal. Therefore, it’s not an option unless they want to receive a ticket. Cyclists using the roadways are trying to train for races, just plain exercise or avoid the rising costs of gas. The whole point of sharing the road is to SHARE the road. That doesn’t mean to ride on the tail of the bike in front of you until you have five seconds to get over, then give them maybe a foot as you pass and then whip in front of them all the while cursing at them out the window, flicking them off and throwing litter at them. Think I’m kidding? Ask any cyclist and they’ll tell you plenty of stories of being attacked for simply riding their bike. So, before you go sideswiping the next cyclist you come across, why don’t you take a deep breath and remember the lessons you learned about sharing back in preschool and kindergarten. Life’s too short to break your neck yelling at the cyclists who have just as much right to be on the road as you do. Have some patience and understanding, and you’ll get the same in return.

By Motors only

May 1, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

I frequently see cyclists say we should share the road with them, then they promptly break the rules of the road, ignoring stop signs, weaving in between cars at traffic lights, etc. I even see them ignore BIKE LANES! If it doesn’t have a motor, it shouldn’t be on a road with a speed limit over 35 mph.

By DV

May 1, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

sure - as a bicyclist I’ll gladly pay my share of taxes to ride on the roads. Let’s see, automobile fees go to pay for road upkeep - that upkeep is needed due to the damage done to it by the vehicles using it. So, if an automobile driver causes $50 of ‘damage’ per year for a one-ton vehicle, a bike, weighing 25 pounds, would be 2.5% the cost an automobile driver pays, which is, rounded UP, 2 cents.

That is my 2 cents!

By steve

May 1, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

Bicyclist do have the right under law to use the roads. I see many of very busy thoroughfares during rush hour traffic. This is a possible injury hazard for the cyclist (been there…done that) as well as delaying quite a bit of traffic which typically leads to a frustrated driver doing something foolish. Why not post signs on major roads disallowing cyclist during certain hours (e.g No cyclists 7-10AM & 4-7PM.

By ant1

May 1, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

As far as riding on the sidewalk goes, first of all not all streets/roads have sidewalks. Second, not all side walks are rideable (riding a road bike requires a smooth uninterupted surface). Third, riding on the sidewalk requires one to stop at all intersections, even if the street one is riding along has the right of way/green light. Fourth, sidewalks are rarely wide enough to let two cyclists pass each other safely. Fifth, if cars are annoyed when having to pass a 2 foot wide cyclist on a 10 foot wide road, imagine how annoyed a cyclist would be having to pass a pair of 2 foot wide pedestrians walking side by side on a 4 fout sidewalk. Sixth, it is extremely unsafe to have a cyclist ride 30 mph on a sidewalk with children and people walking their dogs. So nice try with the whole sidewalk thing.

By Cody

May 1, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

I live in the Northeast Georgia mountain area…not far from Helen. Since the “Tour of Georgia” began 7 years ago, my nice quiet..zip-up-the-mountain across the Richard Russell scenic highway has turned into a CRAWL!!! That road ALWAYS has cyclists on it now….both kinds….petaling and crotch-rockets! I hate it! I recognize that they have rights and we must share the road but most of the time the petaling cyclist are NOT single file and they’re right smack in the middle of the road….then they are waving me around…”Hello? Have you ever heard of a blind curve????? All I’m trying to do is go ride my horse…a drive that took about 25-30 min now takes about 40-45 min.

As for the crotch-rockets….Can’t stand you guys!
A peaceful drive… will never be again.

By ant1

May 1, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

In reply to: By Motors only

May 1, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

I frequently see cyclists say we should share the road with them, then they promptly break the rules of the road, ignoring stop signs, weaving in between cars at traffic lights, etc. I even see them ignore BIKE LANES! If it doesn’t have a motor, it shouldn’t be on a road with a speed limit over 35 mph.

Have you not seen cars to all the same things? Have you seen less or more cars run stop signs than bikes? Should cars not be allowed to use roads then? Have you ever heard of a police officer breaking the law? Should we get rid of cops because some do?

By ant1

May 1, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

Cody,

I remember when driving to work only took 25 minutes. Now all these cars are in my way and it takes 45. On top of that, most of the time they don’t use their turn signals when changing lanes, obey the speed limit, keep right when driving slow… Hello? Have you ever heard of the law?????

By Shawn

May 1, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

To Ant1…., well if it’s too much for you to ride on the sidewalk with your six reason’s n all, then take you bike riding azz to the park and ride your bike like we use to do back in the day in there. Like the sidewalks are just not “good enough” anymore. Arrogance must be a pre-req for aspiring bikers…

By kent in Holland

May 1, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

Wow, this from a city that is full of ego stoked hicks that moved out from any hole in the wall town they thought they were two good for. Now they have an issue with drivers and their egos. It p** you off that the bike are getting to work faster than you and you just dropped 45k on your new 7 series. It has nothing to do with traffic laws.

I lived in the atlanta area for 2 years. That was enough. I ride my bike all year long in michian now, Where driver and bikes get along all year long.

You get what you deserve in the great peach pit.

By Matt

May 1, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

I’m all for bicyclists riding on the road with traffic when (and I know this is beating a dead horse on this blog by now) THEY FOLLOW THE RULES. No, not every driver follows the rules of the road, and no, not every bicyclist ignores the rules of the road. It does go both ways. But unfortunately when two drivers in cars have a fender-bender, it’s much less damaging than a fender-bender between a car and a biker.

Of course, you could always solve the problem of a bicyclist shooting up between cars at a red light with a well-timed opening of the door to dump out the rest of that now-cold cup of coffee…

By ant1

May 1, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

shawn,

Is it really arrogant, for someone who both drives and rides to claim that riding on the sidewalk is not an option? Have you ever commuted anywhere on a bike? Is it more or less arrogant than claiming the road for yourself, at the exclusion of cyclists? If it’s too much for you to share the road with cyclists, why don’t you take your car driving to the track? Like roads with cyclists are not “good enough” anymore. Stupidity must be a pre-req for aspriring intolerant non-bikers…

By Eric

May 1, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

What is up with Carla Caldwell? How does she ask the question in this format in this day and age? Where are the AJC editors. Wow this is a paper for a major U.S. City? How sad.

The law requires cyclists to ride on the streets.

The law gives equal access to streets for bikes.

Streets are paid for local property and sales taxes in addition to gas taxes, therefore cyclists pay for the road.

A road is a public right of way.

Bikes do not delay traffic if the road is properly designed.

Bikes reduce traffic delays by taking cars off the street.

Why in the world would anyone ask the question this way? or approve this question.

AJC what has happened?

By becx

May 1, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Holy Vitriol, batman. Remind me never ever ever to go to Atlanta, much less take a bike. Up here in Wisco we have 000s of riders who get along just fine with the car drivers. maybe it’s because so many of us riders also drive cars and understand both sides?

Gheesh… UGLY vibes coming from GA.

By ant1

May 1, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

Matt,

I would agree that a fender-bender between cars is less damaging than car-bike one. But cars don’t just have fender benders unfortunately. A car not following the law can have consequences varying from none to multiple fatalities (which can be both the driver and innocent bystanders/drivers). When a bike breaks the law, the results are much less negative. I, for one, have never heard of a cyclist killing an innocent motorist. Also, I have personnaly know 4 cyclists involved in car/bike accidents and, all four times, the car was at fault. One of those times, the innocent cyclist broke 4 vertebrae. A cyclist running a stop sign is closer to a pedestrian jay walking than it is to a car running a stop sign. He is taking on all the risk upon himself, whereas the car is putting everyone in danger.

By Molly

May 1, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

Sidewalks are for WALKING - not bikes, not segways, not scooters. I lived in Atlanta for two years as well and then moved to Boston and Philly. While a cyclist has a significant chance of surviving a car vs bicycle crash if the cyclist is wearing a helmet, the pedestrian in a pedestrian vs bicyclist can actually get hurt far more than the helmeted cyclist can by the car. The cyclist LEGALLY owns JUST as much road as the CARS do. Period. If Atlanta wants to be a more pedestrian-friendly, bike-friendly, and greener city, it NEEDS to embrace bicyclists. If you can’t find a way for your SUV to coexist with bicycles peacefully in Atlanta where driving lanes are FAR wider (come to Philly, I’ll show you some narrow lanes), then I’d suggest going back to driving school. Matt, if you want to risk getting your arm broken by a cyclist coming between your cars, I’d suggest waiting to dump that cold cup of coffee in a proper sink once you get to work. Yes, I’ve seen it happen - I’ve also seen bike messengers reach OVER their handlebars, while in motion, shut the door that has been opened by some idiot not looking before he opened it, and never break a straight line - they’ll get around you if you obey the rules, but if you’re picking a car vs cyclist fight, they’ll fight back.

By Shawn

May 1, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

Ant1,

We rode bike’s on the sidewalks and in the park back in the day and there was never a problem. Accidents were few and far inbetween. Now all of a sudden you have six (and probably more) reason’s that a sidewalk just wont due anymore. You’re killing me…. Just arrogant. So F$%# you “AND” the bike you rode in on..

By Sam

May 1, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

I am a cyclist. For every instance of my seeing a cyclist going through a red light, cutting traffic, or riding in packs I can cite 100 instances of a motorist clipping or almost clipping me with a rear view mirror, running me in a ditch, or over the curb. If you include turning in front of me either when turning right or left and giving me the one fingered salute or yelling obsenities when passing it is probably 200 to one. I think most drivers resent someone who is trying to stay fit and exercise and take it out on those who do. I have never had one of the lard * who yelled at me stick around when I caught up to them.

By ant1

May 1, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

The ugly vibes are what people around here refer to as Southern Hospitality.

By Dave

May 1, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

It’s really sad that several people think that adding yet another tax on something we buy or own is a good idea. Isn’t it enough that cars, roads, gas, and everything else about transportation is taxed? If the government is so serious about ‘going green’ maybe it should encourage more cyclists and offer tax breaks to those who shun gas powered cars in favor of bicycles. The last thing this state needs is another tax or identification program, the government wastes the existing tax money on its little pet projects and can’t keep up with the identification programs it already has. Why don’t drivers and cyclists just start paying attention and taking some responsibility for themselves while on the roads…that might just do the trick.

By Joeventures

May 1, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

I would have no problem sharing the road with cars. Drivers just need to follow the rules of the road.

For example:

They need to slow down. The posted speed limits are not a suggestion. They are the law.

They need to park legally. Do not park in what few bicycle lanes are available. Ever.

They need to understand that the ownership of large, clunky metal objects don’t give anyone the right to be a bully.

They need to realize that city streets are not highways. If all you want to do is drive fast, do it somewhere else.

Drivers: your goal is to get to your destination, not to kill people. The same goes for those of us who bike, walk or take transit. The only reason why drivers get away with breaking the rules as much as they do is because they get all whiny when they get caught.

It’s truly astounding how a “tough,” pickup-truck-driving redneck bully becomes a responsibility-avoiding crybaby when caught speeding, tailgating, bullying, etc.

Suck it up, drivers, and slow down. Take some responsibility.

By atllaw191

May 1, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

The rules of the road apply. Cyclists must use the highway the same as motorists, with the same rules and hand signals instead of a “turn signal” which isn’t even used by motorists. I would like to see that the rules are swayed in favor of cyclists - always giving way to cyclists as in Holland. Amsterdam has no pollution and is composed almost entirely of cyclists! Atlanta has become one of the most polluted cities in the U.S. not to mention 1st (as of 5/1/08) in the nation for gas guzzling backups. Entry into cities must be by permit only for vehicles. This is the only way in which we save the planet.

By jon

May 1, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

If your argument is that cyclists don’t obey traffic laws (ie running red lights at non-busy intersections, filtering up through stopped traffic), then I’m sure that YOU never exceed the speed limit when driving, pass on the right, etc.

As an aside, they should change the laws to allow motorcyclists to filter through slow/stopped traffic on the freeways. Works in California.