Opinion Talk

By Cory

March 14, 2006 08:16 AM | Link to this

No. Let’s build something that represents everyone-A Georgia Heritage Museum. As a black resident in Atlanta I am aware that people from all over the world will come and visit something that is inclusive and reflects principled ideas such as the King Center. There, we see people of all nations visting because of Kings a universal appeal. But to build something that appeals to one group is not what I call a march toward diversity. True diversity isn’t what I all too often see - everybody but whites.

By MC

March 14, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this

Question is—how would it not??

By Syed

March 14, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this

Cory Well said. I agree 100%. It should represent all, black white, asian, spanish and so forth.

By rob

March 14, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

Cory is DEAD-ON RIGHT. Financially it would be more attractive and profitable to include all races INCLUDING NATIVE AMERICANS WHOM THE LAND WAS STOLEN FROM!!! Why are they not the first group singled out for PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT? CALL IT WHAT IT IS. The reason the NASCAR museum went elsewhere is the city of ATL ran thier add campaign like a entitlement program. The only two things I heard then offer was: 1.) someone else’s money thru tax breaks and 2.) diversity (code word).

By time for the truth

March 14, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

NO IT WOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT BENEFIT!!

There is more than enough racial pandering going on in Atlanta. There is apparently already one of these museums and a library on Auburn Ave, plus the black colleges, the King Centre etc. This sure seems like just another attempt by the professional civil rights crowd to unnecessarily ram racial issues down every body’s throat and generate yet more divisive racial spoils tax payer funding for the “cause”.

There’s really no such thing as an “african-american” - its just another micky mouse politically correct term. Like the ultra dumb “homophobic” which really is ‘anglocized Greek’ for fear of your own kind/man-fearing but liberals amusingly and very conveniently ignore that.

Extending this obtuse racial labelling it would be perfectly reasonable to call white South Africans “white-african africans”.

There are simply Americans and non-Americans. That is actually black and white - with no “grey” (clear thinking pun intended).

By all means expand existing (historically relevant) museums to include “black exhibits”, as well as all other ethnic groups - wouldn’t it be “racist” to simply honour one ethnic minority? Now just watch certain folks robotically screech “you’re a racist”.

By Thomas

March 14, 2006 09:10 AM | Link to this

An “African-American” museum? If it’s built with private funds, sure. Enough tax dollars are already spent on racial pandering, however.

And if an “African-Museum” museum, why not an Asian, Hispanic, Arab-American museum? Where does the racial division therefore stop?

I have a better idea – let’s use those proposed funds to repair the roads and schools in the Atlanta area.

By time for the truth

March 14, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

If such a blatantly pandering museum were built then surely there must be a prominent section honouring BLACK CONSERVATIVES who are the real heroes in black America. These are folks who think outside the traditionally regimented racial/liberal block. They have long been viscerally abused by the NAACP and so called civil rights leaders, often in racially perjorative ways.

I would be very happy to see a national museum for freethinking Conservative Blacks, that would be worth spending taxpayer dollars on. After all there are a ridiculous number of museums, centres, libraries etc honouring black liberals.

NOW THAT’S BEING FAIR AND BALANCED :)

By Carlton Wyatt

March 14, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

As has been pointed out previously, museums for black heritage already exist here in Atlanta. Why would a new one be necessary?

Also, to the person who chose to whine about a word like “homophobic”, if you really were as informed as you think you are, you would know that the word’s meaning is “fear of AND/OR AVERSION TO homosexuals”. I suspect, given the scope of your tantrum, you’ve been rightly accused of that offense a few times and didn’t like it. Boo hoo.

By time for the truth

March 14, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

the term “homophobic” is undeniably a RECENT made up micky mouse term … it derives its “meaning/acceptance” from repeated liberal/media use. Happily I note you don’t also obtusely dispute the actual ORIGINAL “Greek root” of the word.

Its effectively liberal hate speech to denigrate those who dont share their political agenda. :)

I actually dont care about homosexuals per se one way or the other - they’re just folks like every one else trying to get along in life. But hey - thanks for the “homophobic” sneer - much appreciated.

I do object to the shrill leftist homosexual political agenda though.

By RWH

March 14, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Let’s get close and personal, we all have witness to much of “one-side” going toward a particular race…something that must stop. The battles of having this or that because of race must not stand. Until we all unite, this racial-between all race will live on long after we all have gone; and noone, or no body will or have accomplish nothing! We must begun to speak, live, do, have and built for the sake of all of Georgia. When we tend to lean toward a particular race to have something in their memory or for all to see; we set that race apart either making them above or below others. Even if this is not the reason….it just goes that way! Instead of having an Africian-American Heritage Museum; it can simply be a Museum honoring all Heritage-Races. There are more people interested in the unity-factor over the race factor. We don’t get anywhere if we continue to use race as a issue for this or that. Our blood run red no matter what race we are. A fact all of us need to remember and never use “color-of-skin” to find a negative or positive reasons for doing anything that will help shape or cure this society from the racial issues we continue to face. I move to have just just a Georgia “Heritage Museum”

By NotMyProblem

March 14, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Enough with the lopsided policies that benefit blacks and leave everyone else behind! Yes, we have a lot of civil rights history here, and that is covered in the King Center. We also have a lot of history in this state that comes from whites, asians and other ethnicities. When are we going to stop the constant pandering and sucking-up to the black community? Yes, they were slaves over a hundred years ago. Show me someone who actually WAS a slave, and I will say that person should be entitled to reparations. My relatives went through hard times a hundred years ago too, but that certainly hasn’t bought me a free ticket of entitlement. Our history is what it is, and any museum in our state should showcase the contributions of everyone who made it what it is today, not just those who want to rewrite history to fit their social programs agendas.

By Syed

March 14, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

time for the truth I agree with you, I guess there is a little bit too much racial pandering in Atlanta. This kind of pandering will only divide the society instead of uniting. I really thing the term “African American” is very wrong. This is the way to remind a black person, who is born here, that he doesn’t belong here. What “African” attribute does a black person has in him, NONE. Those term should be for people with African Origin. Example, when an African or Indian migrates to USA and become citizen, he can be African American or Indian American. I think race should just be an attribute, like sex, hair color, height etc. But identity must be American. I am off Indian ethnicity, I foreign worker, This is what I think of Civil right leaders. The true Black Civil right leader I think are Dr. King and Rosa Park. Think about, how much guts she had to say No to a White back in those days, I think these personality are worshipable. On the other hand, I find Jesse jackson and Al sharpton are just some politician, trying to benefit from the racial conflict. They stood by Henry Tooky Wiiliam , convicted killer of 4. I think, present Black civil right leaders are just using the black community, although I believe, there shouldn’t any Black community, just community.

By time for the truth

March 14, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

well said Syed … and your cricket team were bloody lucky yesterday :) We should have won the first test!! If Ian Botham and Graham Gooch were still playing you’d get hammered every time (big grin).

Rosa Parks more than deserved every honour she got. MLK was personally/morally very flawed but he had a wonderful vision of how the world really should be, which like Rosa Parks should never ever be forgotten. Far too many blacks tend to want to continuously slap the “past” in your face. And of course its principally about money/power. If the ‘civil rights whores’ as they are often legitimately described really cared about ordinary black folks they’d be loudly hammering away every day about the hip-hop kulture, drugs/gangbanging, the shameful “acting white” mentality etc. If they can keep the petty racial divisions going by blaming racism/whites - anyone but their “community” then their money and influence will continue … and the dumber ones will always swallow it - having a convenient visible target to blame. People are pretty much the same the world over but some kultures and kultural practice are divisive. I dont have to live in housing projects etc - but surely the folks who do should be given a shot at escaping - but the prevailing kulture sadly too often prevents it by either sidetracking many yoofs into crime or young (unmarried) pregnancy. The thugs prey on the decent folks and its a vicious circle which has NEVER been properly and systematically addressed by black leaders or politicians. All the cops try and do is “manage” it.

By Thomas

March 14, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Fundamentally, it’s a human phenomena, not a black, white, Asian, or Hispanic one to blame others for your own failures, be they individual or collective.

I am the furthest thing from pull yourself up (by your daddy’s) boot straps conservative, but by and large, blacks have not been as successful economically or educationally than other immigrants. This is not a racist statement. It is a cold, hard, and empirically demonstrable fact.

I see no opportunities available to other ethnic minorities that are precluded from blacks. Yet the problems within the community at large continue to persist while minority groups flourish.

At what point do the excuses end? At what point does it stop becoming whitey’s fault?

By pat

March 14, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

I thought we had one, the airport. Last time I landed there I thought I was in Kenya. All the pictues and statues are african-american. If you really want racism to go away, then stop differentiating by skin color. Of course, half the new media would lose thier jobs as they would no longer have fire to throw fuel on. I think the media loves racism. It gives them something to do. It’s all a load of crap, a person is a person.

By J&J Ranch

March 14, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

The Civil Rights movement was meant to “Stop the Hate”, stop segregation and equality for all people.

For the life of me I cannot fathom why Atlanta and other places continue to push “African-American” heritage down our throats.

Stop The Hate! Treat each individual, no matter their heritage as equal.

Until we can have a museum for every heritage, why even ask the question. It is obvious that we are “One People”, “We The People of The United States”.

Not one is more precious than the other.

By Don

March 14, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

The APEX vision needs support and funding!Civil Rights museums have their place and purpose but they begin much too late in the history of Africans in America. Our history did not begin in Montgomery nor Selma, and what is lacking is the oft ignored history of a people from the richness of our kingdoms and our culture thru the darkness of slavery and our contuing struggle to define and represent ourselves in a society still burdened by racial superiority and inferiority. Atlanta needs to reflect the full and heritage and history of African people before and since 1954!

By Syed

March 14, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

time for the truth What can I say, Cricket is a game of Glorious Uncertainity. Don’t forget, there were Kapil Dev, Gavaskar,Azharuddin during Botham and Gooch. But I am sure you would agree, loved to see Australia lost after scoring huge huge huge 434. Miracle on grass, I guess.

I really don’t know about the personal life of Dr. King, but I can say, he had the right visions for the blacks.I think there was more media coverage on Mrs King than Rosa Park, which I believe is totally unfair. In my opinion, Rosa Park is the second most important milestone on civil rights, after Civil war. Today civil rights leader as well as politicians want racism, that will give them something to do and also cheap popularity, so that Democrats gets the black votes and Republicans secure the nascar votes.In the name of racial equlization, i think leaders are pandering one specific race, although there are other racses here, like spanish, Indians, chineese.

BTW, I am from Bangladesh, Yes, we play test cricket, Yes we suck, and Yes we beat everyone one day, we already beat India, Pak, Australia and Srilanka. England is next on the list

By Nel

March 14, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

Considering the state of the King Center I don’t think there is the will for this except in the minds of a few. From what I have read recently, this African-American museums cannot seem to get the funding support from African-Americans as it is. Let’s just get a natural history museum here that reflects the history of Georgia, warts and all. Also, if you put and African-American in Africa, they are Americans visiting for a short period of time, because they wouldn’t be able to survive in those cultures. Let’s all just be Americans and forget divising people this way.

By Nel

March 14, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

Syed, don’t forget the West Indies, they also play cricket. Hopefully one day they get to televise a test match in Atlanta. I know there would be an immense crowd.

I understand that they are still trying to get funding for the new Symphony Hall, which would add a major cultural component to Atlanta. There was talk about using the old World of CocaCola site once they move, but again, who’s going to fund it? Many believe that with the museum coming in DC we really don’t need another one here.

By Hadden Knough

March 14, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

All I know is that as a life-long white person I’m repeatedly told that I must be blind to race/creed/color/nationality/religion/sexualorientation. Fine, I can handle that. Don’t need it rammed down my throat, but I have it covered.

But, at the same time I’m being told that I must also practice diversity, value other cultures and lifestyles, pay special attention to the rights of others, give some groups preferential treatment, and generally notice everyone’s race/creed/color/nationality/religion/sexualorientation.

So which is it, do you want me to treat you like the next guy, or do you want me to make an issue out of you? Please tell me because I’m confused as hell and fast becoming bored with whole thing.

Ah, screw it all anyways. They named “White Out” after us, so I guess get what you can while you can - just leave me out of it, please.

Hey, should we be getting royalties for the “White Out” deal?

By Michele

March 14, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

No, there is enough whining as it is. If they want one, make the MLK center the civil rights museum as it has never fulfilled it’s mission anyway thanks to Mrs. King and her brood. What might be a good idea, if they would carry it off objectively and truthfully would be a Georgia History Museum going back to the 1600’s with a beautiful antebellum building, a few acres of cotton fields, mules, horses and other farm animals, a great restaurant with real Georgia cooking, accurate history of the War of Northern Agression and include the fact that a lot of the slaves were beloved members of the family. The civil rights setion could take an upper floor. That could never happen though as it would not be politically correct and by the time the blacks weighed in every Georgian before 1973 would be painted to be a devil.

By Michele

March 14, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

No, a Georgia Heritage Museum with accurate history of Georgia since the 1600’s. Someone besides the PC professors and blacks need to help in writing and crating the exhibits. We could have examples of farming, the coastal regions, all of it. The truth is interesting anything else just continues to divide.

By MC

March 14, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

Man, I didn’t think that here in 2006 we’d have such opposition to a museum of civil rights. Astounding, and sickening. Especially those who wish to include Georgia’s “antebellum” history. For one thing, we already have a museum for that—the Atlanta History Center. And besides—that kind of defeats the purpose of a civil-rights museum, is idolizing the times and places of the worst injustice so as to send a coded message to the visitors.

It’s also really juvenile, I think, that the term “civil rights” is being interpreted here as just “black rights”. No, Jews, Muslims, homosexuals, Catholics, Asians, and even Irishmen have more rights now in this state then they once did. Not just “the blacks”.

Michele: Please leave Atlanta if you don’t like the lack of Confederate symbolism as compared to, say, Jasper County.

By Pat

March 14, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

How about a mexican heritage museam? Sponsored by Chemlawn an King Green?

By Syed

March 14, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

Michele When did civil war become ‘Northern Agression’ .Funny. You can ask for a “Georgia Bigot Meseum”

By Syed

March 14, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

Nel You can get the Cricket channels like ESPN or Star Sports through Dish, But very expensive. But it’s a long sport and you would be able to watch it if you work full time. Also, WI still play, but after Viv, Desmind, Loyd, Ambros, Walsh, the glory is gone. Man ! they were the most formidable once

By sATaLyte

March 14, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

What is so wrong about an African-American Heritage Museum, you people sound so up in arms and inflamed over the idea.

Who is pushing race down your throats? A couple of statues in the airport, a museum on Auburn, a Martin Luther King exhibit, geez, don’t they have enough?

Who said we did not have room for a heritage museum dedicated to another race, if it was an Asian-American museum, or a Hispanic-heritage museum would you be all, “they have telemundo”, they have all of “Buford Hwy” isn’t that enough.

I do not think you would say anything like that.

I understand what you guys are saying, and there is some truth, however that truth gets lost in all this ranting and raving about how Blacks already have too much.

Read your own comments once over if you feel they are not racially insensitive. That whole “it further divides us” nonsense is old. So they want to place a museum in a city that is largely populated by blacks devoted to the heritage and history of African-Americans.

Yeah way to hold the white man down.

By time for the truth

March 14, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

MC + Satalyte

Under the now convicted felon Campbell’s corrupt stewardship of Atlanta ‘civil rights’ was formally/legally deemed as being “black rights only” by the City of Atlanta. Remember the legal case of the poor Koreans who were nearly lynched by a black mob and had their shop burned out during the so called Rodney King race riot. Happily the Court of Appeals unceremoniously threw out Campbell’s institutionalised racism.

The general point of most of the posts on here is that continuously seeking to ‘divide’ people in the metro area on grounds of race is corrosive and unproductive.

I wonder how you would feel if a law suit was filed challenging the ethnic “apartheid” on display at Hartsfield airport? Surely seeking actual equality in ethnic memorabilia, artefacts, artwork etc would not be unreasonable. Obviously white folks historically played by far the biggest part in building/developing Georgia yet because of seemingly bigoted black political control this is utterly ignored at the state’s only major airport.

In good part the reason why legal challenges haven’t happened is that white folks nowadays generally speaking are far less bothered by “public” racial pettiness as blacks folks seem to be. Otherwise wouldn’t the displays at Hartsfield actually be ethnically diverse?

Just mirroring back your points to ya :)

By MC

March 14, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

Is having statues and paintings of blacks in an airport pettiness? Honestly, I think white men have their share of statues throughout this state.

By time for the truth

March 14, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

“Diversity” is not something that should be selective. The state’s only major international airport imparts an important impression to (first time) visitors, the PERMANENT black ‘monopoly’ is petty and presents a very negative image that excludes anyone else and sends a distinct unsavoury racial message. Just as if if it were say whites only “art/statues etc” at Hartsfield - that would be equally divisive, and imagine the screeching if that was happening in 2006.

Clearly black leaders in Atlanta only pay cynical lip service to diversity. You’d think after all that happened in the past that today blacks, more than any other group would genuinely strive to avoid such racial pettiness.

By Syed

March 15, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

time for the truth Clearly, Civil right became Black right now a days. Example, the state passed law banning all public services to the illegals. Whether they are right or wrong, that’s a separate issue, But I havn’t see a single black leader said anything about it. It seems a civil right issue to me, effecting hundreds of thousands of people.Since it doesn’t affect the black, and they are not voters, everyone just turned their back on this.

By rob

March 15, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

If we really want to help the “african- american race” why not spend these suggested monies on something worthy like stopping the modern day slave trade & ethnic cleansing going on in AFRICA right now? It would not have to be a museum, it is CURRENT WORLD AFFAIRS. I guess you would not have a reminder to pat yourselves on the back everytime you pass thru the golden doors.

By time for the truth

March 15, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

Syed, as I understand it the intent of the GA legislature, after massive public pressure is to prevent adult illegal immigrants from gaining access to most state provided benefits. Illegals should not be here, they should not benefit if they are here. Their kids get free health/school/food stamps etc and this is federally protected. Whilst its unfair to punish young kids such generous US largesse ensures that they’ll keep on coming in their millions. We need a proper fence all the way along the southern border!! I went through the INS grinder, like everyone else here legally. Why should (primarily) Mexicans be allowed to deliberately flaunt ALL immigration law with no sanctions/deportations? Employers should also be hammered legally for employing illegals, but the laws are never really enforced!! I could care less about cheap crappy housing and cheap lawn care. My house, like every house in England is all brick. Most Mexican restaurants I’ve tried are poor quality - no better than bloody Shoneys. The reason car insurance and health insurance is so high is that we are ALL paying for illegals. A few years ago there was a big conference of black activists in Birmingham AL to decide how to ensure that latinos, now the biggest minority dont end up with too much of “their entitlements”. Violent hispanic crime is becoming a huge problem and illegals are responsible for virtually all of it. And generally speaking they refuse to learn/speak english. I agree that invariably blacks are concerned with just themselves and rarely get uppity about the civil rights of other folks, which is why the rhyming reverends very rarely take on non-black causes. Very occasionally they do - but its half hearted and seems a cyncical ploy so they can say, when challenged, see - I do care about poor whites etc. It should never be forgotten though that most blacks are decent law abiding folks, just like whites and asians etc. Now the real threat to the south is the invasion of all these damn yankees!! (BIG GRIN)

By Carlton Wyatt

March 15, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

To (lack of) Truth: there are many words now in the English language that are recent additions to the lexicon. Do you dispute them, as well? What is the cut-off date for new words that meet your approval? And again, you keep erroneously attributing some Greek interpretation that is entirely irrelevant to the defined meaning of the word. Whether you like the word or not has no bearing on the word’s validity.

While I do not think another museum is necessary given the existence of museums already established, I also do not think it necessary to parade around in your virtual white sheet and make such profoundly loaded statements as you’ve done here which seemingly are designed solely to inflame and infuriate.

By Syed

March 15, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

time for the truth As I said, why illegal aliens are not a BIG problem and How you are not paying for the illegals, that’s a seprate issue, the lawmakers did that purely for political purpose. My point was, Most Civil right leaders are Black, some are white, and They all push Black Civil right agenda, which is good, but they totally ignore the other races that are here. A cop beats a black guy, big headline. But if it’s not black then no one cares. Now, about the first issue, I am not Hispanic. I wrote a serires of blogs about taxpayer funding benefits on Illegals. I tried to show how they contribute to the economy. That said, they are illegal, they should have ALL the benefits that a citizen has, however, they are human being before they are illegal, so they should get basic fundamental benefits. There were some blogs from the Hospital folks, they all said the illegal always pay cash, to avoid any paper trace or facing govt official.In my opinion, people who are enot directly involved on those services, like hospitals or food stamp, it will be premature to assume that they use lot of our taxpayer benefits. Also, All of them pay sales tax and lot of them pay income tax as well. One small example of the contribution, My friend runs a Fast Food store, He has 22 employee, all american. The food store is based on construction worker. Now , if they are gone, the company loose it’s customer, 22 american will be jobless, meaning those 22 will not be spender anymore, Domino effect

By Syed

March 15, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

Sorry, I meant they shouldn’t have all the benefits

By rob ferguson

March 15, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

Syed below are a few of my costs to support illegal aliens who do not pay thier own bills. 1.) 2002-11,188 illegal aline births costing 27 million taxpayr dollars. source GA Dept of community health 2.) 2002 Cobb county has a 7% illegal population but they take 44% of publi assistance monies. source Bureau of Immigration and Cusoms and WIC agencies. 3.) 2002 67$ million dollars spent for enlgish as a second language classes. source state fo GA. 4.) 75% of 64,000 doctor visits in 2002 to GRady Heaklth Systems were by Mexican Women. source Atlanta Latino Magazine. 5.) 2003 the cost of housiung illegal CRIMINALS exceeded 15 million dollars. source state criminal alien assistance program. Need more?

By time for the truth

March 15, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

to Carlton lack of smarts … regardless of how recent an addition this word is its still a micky mouse politically correct term that is designed to enable liberal hate speech and finger pointing at those who for whatever reason object to certain agendas. I didn’t “dispute” the word, clearly funding for the Atlanta City school system’s English comprehension was an issue in your time as well. I simply objected to the asinine contrivance!! The same thing applies to the word “gay” … long ago it had NOTHING to do with homosexuality, its simply another, nowadays very successful, attempt by homosexuals to “spin/soften” their collective image. Liberals frequently arrogate to themselves the “right” to twist the language for self promotion, … the word “activist” is a classic example. Leftist nutter is an equally apposite designation - just depending from which side of the aisle one’s coming from of course.

As for your puerile personal reference to the odious klan … nothing I have said here is any way “racist” or “bigoted”. I have posted nothing other than fair comment, based on fact. Obviously limitations of space means that somethings were slightly more tersely put than I would have liked. I note that as expected you make NO ATTEMPT to refute amy of my points. Just a typical liberal personal smear when facts/logic etc has you cornered :)

Perhaps if more people critically absorbed and inwardly digested the points I and several others have made here then the world would be such a much less harsh place for you to have to endure the right of free speech in!! Tell me where I am “wrong” - substantively … dont just hide behind glib personal abuse.

By Syed

March 15, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

Rob Great Blog, I wish I had some authentic data with me at this point, But I will present those after doing some reasearch. However, here are the gap i have seen on the statistics. 1- The alien birth, the kids are citizen, so I guess they have the right to be taken care of. The statistic needs ot be divided between money spent to the illegal mom’s health and the child. 2- This is a strong data, notsure about the deatils of those money. But I will give you 1 point for that. so , we are, 1.5 vs 1. Now, 3- in the school, there are both Lelag and illegal aliens. The non english speaking aliens come through DV [Diversity Visa] lottery program. I should take the whole 1 point, but I will split. we are 2 vs 1 now. 4- The doctors visit doesn’t say they are unpaying, what I have heard from the blog of some hospital people, they usually pay cash. I will take this point, we 2 vs 2. 5- You can never put a cost on holding a criminal, but i will give you this point. you lead 3-2. Now, That said, The statistic that no one has is cognitive. First, The cost of housing is low because of the illegals. Second, Govt using the cheap labor without taking any responsibilty of them since they are illegal. Third, They are not only illegals but the buy stuff so they are consumer. They cause lot of business, like Budweiser, grow by buying the prodicts and those businesses provide job for american people.Also, Lot of them pay income tax and All, pay sales tax. Uncle Sam is getting money, may not as much as he deserves, but considering the fact that Govt has 0 responsibilty, it’s good money. Now you score on these points.

By time for the truth

March 15, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Syed … there are very few white civil rights leaders that I am aware of. The virulently anti-American hard left ACLU and their ilk are nowadays hardly civil rights entities.

Watch out mate, some idiot may insinuate you like white sheets too! :)

I take your point about the “black economy” - for Carlton’s edification that’s a widely used euphemism for the non-taxed economy - not inflammatory hateful rhetoric. But the rule of law must and always be applied, especially when its being so systematically and egregiously abused, day after day after day by the same people!! Bush clearly has much of the blame but Klinton was even worse, he handed out a liberal vote pandering amnesty based on labour certification which ultimately helped attract millions more illegals, hoping to cash in on both parties need for votes.

The abuse of medical facilities is in the billions nationally, same for education and other welfare payemts. I always look at the bigger picture beyond GA. AS for your mate with the fast food shop, he is (you say) benefiting from illegal behaviour, albeit not directly of his doing. Most fast food places dont depend solely on Mexicans for their survival, unless its a Mexican place.

By Carlton Wyatt

March 16, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

Truthless: my, we did hit a nerve! For someone who decries insults and epithets you seem to enjoy using them for your own amusement. If you would post some facts instead of the typical right-wing rhetoric, perhaps there would be something substantive others could dispute. BTW, the word “gay” being used as a synonym for “homosexual” dates back to the mid 1800s, hardly the work of “political correctness”. Right-wingers misuse language for their own agendas, as you’ve demonstrated. Now we have “conservatively correct” becoming more rediculous than “politically correct” ever could.

BTW, your disparagement of my education was as erroneous and hollow as the rest of your diatribe. Again, perhaps if you could muster some facts instead of slinging insults based on false assumptions, we could have a more mature conversation about the necessity, or lack thereof, of another museum.