Terence Moore

By Supes

January 9, 2009 5:49 PM | Link to this

Typical BS from Terry McGuirk…”I have not been able to contact him” BS…same stuff that John Shuerholtz spin with Tom Glavine years ago “I couldn’t reach him”…* if it’s that important that you do, just get in the fraking car and drive over to the man’s house. you know where he lives* UNREAL!

I just heard Frank Wren try and spin it on 680thefan with Kincade earlier today.

I feel betrayed by the Braves Management and LIBERTY MEDIA, this pencil pushing faceless corporation that doesn’t have one ounce of emotional investment in this franchise.

I pray that the day comes soon, when the Braves will have local ownership that gives a frak, not just about numbers like profit!

Calm down, sure why not. Right after we acquire Jake Peavy and Derrick Lowe!

By R. Moore

January 9, 2009 5:51 PM | Link to this

Thank you Mr. Moore (nice name by the way)

I am amazed how easily people fly off the handle with only knowing half the story.

One day common sense will prevail again…

By SR

January 9, 2009 5:51 PM | Link to this

You miss the point entirely- he felt he had given enough to this organization that they wouldn’t low ball him in the first place, thus allowing another team to swoop in and top the Braves offer without much effort at all. That is precisely the point he made in the conversation he had with Chipper Jones, as reported in this newspaper. And you know what, he had given enough to this aimless organization. No, no matter how this is spun and parsed, the Braves mis-read and miscalculated this situation to the extreme and they deserve all the condemnation they are receiving for such conduct.

By william cranman

January 9, 2009 5:54 PM | Link to this

Terrence, every Braves article you write contains Cy Maddux, Cy Glavine, and Cy Smoltz. It was creative the first time you used it but it is very old now.It is in every single Braves article. It actually took away from an otherwise good article.

By floridafalcon

January 9, 2009 5:55 PM | Link to this

Right on, terrance, you hit this out of the park! This year i’ll root for the Sox like never before!

By Later, Smoltzie

January 9, 2009 6:05 PM | Link to this

Oh, well — one fewer right-wing nutjob in a town with far too many of them anyway. Let Smoltz take his bible thumping to Boston for a couple of years. I’m sure he’ll be delighted to live in a state that legalized gay marriage.

“Smoltz, a devout Christian, criticized those who want to legalize gay marriage,” the AP reported. “‘What’s next? Marrying an animal?’ he asked derisively.”

Have fun up there, John.

By allan waldron

January 9, 2009 6:11 PM | Link to this

I am inclined to agree with you. It seems that neither Smoltz nor his agent went to Braves management and made it clear to them that John was seriously considering Boston’s offer, thus never giving the Braves a chance to increase their offer. If contact was made, and the Braves refused to budge, then I can understand why John was so upset. But, I have not heard that this ever took place. I just hope that John has at least one more healthy year so he can show baseball just how good he is in one of the really top media markets.

By singndablues

January 9, 2009 6:13 PM | Link to this

Yep, we’ve had a lot in the media blasting the Braves FO for letting John go but I think he really wanted to go despite what you’ve heard. Unless he’s blasted thru that 100+ miilion he’s made in his career then money is probably not the primary factor but it does provide cover for his desire to play on another world series team. Probably not happening here for a while.

By patrocket

January 9, 2009 6:14 PM | Link to this

Terence, you hit the nail on the head. Smoltz wanted to hit the road.

By Jerry Ratrix

January 9, 2009 6:15 PM | Link to this

My grandma could hit Smoltz. He never could pitch without pine tar secreted inside his cap and glove, and sox, and belt. I spotted this his first day at training camp in 1988. I kidded him about it, and he grabbed me and said, “If you ever tell anyone that I throw greaseballs, there’ll be no place you can hide.”

Well, I never said anything till now, that he’s finished, and even my grandma can kick his a*.

Hall of Fame? This guy Smoltz is no Whitey Ford, okay?

By davis adams

January 9, 2009 6:17 PM | Link to this

I am perfectly calm. As a newly minted BoSox fan, I feel completely Zen-like.

By gvblack

January 9, 2009 6:30 PM | Link to this

I agree with Terrance Moore 100% about this. That means Hell has frozen over and the world will end soon. He is still right. There’s a first time for everything, I suppose.

By Mychelfromatl

January 9, 2009 6:32 PM | Link to this

Relax People!!! I’m like everyone else sad to see Smoltzie leave, but I also recall similar revolts being called upon this summer when the Falcons cut away veteran peices and drafted Matt Ryan instead of a defensive tackle. Also don’t forget the backlash towards the Atlanta Spirit Group when the Hawks let Josh Childress leave for Greece. End Results: Falcons suprised the NFL, earned the third best record in the NFC and made it to the playoffs! Also, the Hawks are currently 22-12 and 6.0 games out of having the best record in the NBA! So let’s just sit back and relax and watch this play out…who knows, the Braves may be yet another surprise Atlanta team this year.

By D-Man

January 9, 2009 6:40 PM | Link to this

Cranman, get a freak’n life and quit sweating the small stuff…good job Mr. Moore I think you are right on with your asessment. And before anybody calls me a Terence Moore homer, understand I have disagreed with Mr. Moore before..I just get sick and tired of people knitpicking the AJC columnists over stupid things.

By billybrave

January 9, 2009 6:43 PM | Link to this

Moore’s stamp of approval on the horrible situation isn’t surprising.

By Baracked the vote!

January 9, 2009 6:52 PM | Link to this

Terrie, while u are correct that Smoltz will have a better chance to win another ring if he plays for the Red Sox (this is true even if he pitches until he turns 50) there is another part of the story. The Braves are doing NOTHING to improve their standing the NL east. The Marlins have twice has many rings as this team, the farm system isn’t producing pitching, too much was given up to obtain Tex, and besides acquiring Jurrjens, nothing has been done improve the team.

By country boy

January 9, 2009 7:01 PM | Link to this

I don’t take J. Smoltz’ side on this … not at all. Remember last year when he pitched only two months???? Hampton actually almost ended up pitching about as many games as Smoltz. Yet I’m sure Smoltzy was able to extend his sore arm for a paycheck in the same manner as sorry azz Hampton. I think maybe he saw the poor state of Braves and wanted to try to get back to the World Series or at least play for a winner. Smoltz and agent could have fired a warning shot to Wren saying he was signing with Red Sox in a couple of days if they were not serious about offering him very close to even money. He wanted out. I think given the injury and age situation the Braves were reasonable to offer a contract based on incentives.

By Jerry

January 9, 2009 7:02 PM | Link to this

I’ve watched for over 40 years and I can only think of when Justice left that I have felt so low. If the money was reversed Smoltz would have still went to the Sox. I mean come on. The writing was on the wall, if you can read wall writing. One thing I read the other day that got my interest was the comment that all the CEO, GM, President, Cox and the towel boy got together and decided not to counter offer. No one else seems to want to talk about this. Wren said all along they wanted to wait and see Smoltz progress through the winter months. That is reasonable. Do you remember out of the blue one day you read in the paper where Smoltz’s agent sent his mound workout last month to other teams. Could you read the righting on the wall. This is not about the Braves Dissing Smoltz. This is Smoltz wanting to go elsewhere and win a title. Whether you play for 20 years or 1 year, when the contracts up you make a decision. The Braves made an offer and Smoltz decided. This rest in his lap not the front office.

Sign Lowe and trade Hoss while we can get something. I love Hoss but right now he’s more valuable as trade bait then he is as a player. He’s not finished that’s why we could get something good for him.

By gerry cain

January 9, 2009 7:07 PM | Link to this

Run Frank Wren out of town

By longtimefan

January 9, 2009 7:10 PM | Link to this

smoltz never offered to repay the braves for his non play last year. He should have been appreciative of his giant contract for not playing. Chipper has missed many games and he has a giant contract, also. He has no room top talk. Baseball is a team sport first. The yankees have paid players the big bucks the last few years and look at them. California and Tampa Bay were low budget clubs and look what they did not long ago(if I remeber correct they were MLB champs). Let the selfish spoil brats go and get players that are team oriented first.

By richbrave

January 9, 2009 7:20 PM | Link to this

TRADE CHIP JONES for COLE HAMELS.

By Larry J

January 9, 2009 7:25 PM | Link to this

Terry McGuirk is lying - and Terrence Moore is falling for it.

Chipper Jones was right. What is a couple of million dollars to keep a guy like Smoltz - especially when you look at some of the ridiculous moves the organization has made in recent years?

The Braves said they had all of this money to spend in the off-season … and I guess they are padding the pockets of McGuirk, Frank Wren and John Schuerholz with it because they don’t have a single new player to show.

By The real deal

January 9, 2009 7:25 PM | Link to this

Calm down?

This coming from a newspaper that has/had an blog or an article about a convict named Mike Vick (and continue to every week or so today)?

Give me a break. This is exactly what the AJC wants… but to suggest that people are over reacting proves that TM is a bigger idiot that his reputation is.

Smoltz is 10 times more a superstar (results) than MV7 was. So check yo self.

By The Fight Realtor

January 9, 2009 7:54 PM | Link to this

Terrance, sometimes I think you just don’t think your ideas through before you put them on paper. NOBODY is upset with John Smoltz. The anger is directed at Frank Wren, who is quickly establishing himself as an incompetent GM. Do you think about this stuff before you write it?

By kevin

January 9, 2009 7:54 PM | Link to this

You so right Terrance(No class) Moore niekro n david Justice all did was win did Niekro win 300 games.Are were we dreamin also justice won 2 rings with Yankees …Oh they did nothin again i see u payed by braves to p*** around for them but u right i shall do what ask Root for redsox everytime all the way…and Boo U n braves when they do the upside down chop

By NYC Brave

January 9, 2009 8:20 PM | Link to this

Hey I loved Smoltzie as a kid and he’s been my favorite player for 20 yrs, but it annoys me that he is acting like the Braves disrespected him. Why do they owe him anything? He got paid, what $12 million last year (way more than I’ll make in my lifetime) and he hardly pitched at all. If anything he should have been giving cash back to the Braves. What a joke! He should just come out and say what really happened; he wants a chance to win and more money. The Red Sox give him a better shot in both arenas.

By nelson

January 9, 2009 8:33 PM | Link to this

bye smoltz , bye glavine , time to rebuild he team

smoltz 42years cmon guys !! ..braves need lowe & kawasaki

By D'Marcus Jefferson, Kappa Alpha pledge at UGA

January 9, 2009 8:35 PM | Link to this

All the Braves are immature. Smoltzie and Chipper should cool it. They are old men….this is a business….and get a grip….we’re not paying these idiots $10-15 million to sit on the Bench…

Smoltzie would be a car salesman or selling aluminum siding in Hamtranck, Michigan if it weren’t for the Braves…

Chipper would be a Speech or Motivational Speaker….”uhhhhhhhh”…yeaa

Tell Frenchie to shut up and start thinking strategic hitting instead of the fences….or get him the “f—k” out of Dodge!d

By geo

January 9, 2009 8:42 PM | Link to this

if it was not about the money—the BoSox would have offered less and signed him! Nice try, Mr. Sportswriter

By Henry V111

January 9, 2009 9:02 PM | Link to this

I have to defend Frank Wren, who is been criticized unfairly for a decision he has made in the best interest of his employer and of the Braves, instead of in the interest of John Smoltz. These are the same fans who will curse and stay away from the Ball Park because Smoltzie cannot make his start and the Braves have to send a minor leaguer to the mound. Smoltze has been good for the Braves but the Braves have been overly good to Smoltz. How soon has he forgotten all the starts and years that he missed, due to Arm trouble requiring surgery and lengthy rehabs. Tom Glavine served the Braves well and was the winning Pitcher in the Braves only World Series Victory in recent years and I believe was the series MVP, yet when he left for the Mets, he was treated so badly by Braves Fans, which I still cannot fathom to this day. Frank Wren is trying his darn best to put a better team on the field this year, as can be seen by his efforts to sign top pitchers and position players. The fact that he has failed to land Peavy, Burnett,and Furcal is no fault of his own, but is the case that the Braves are no longer the team they were in the 90’s when they had three Cy young Pitchers, and every Major League Ball Player wanted to play here for a shot at post season and the World Series. Hammering Hank the greatest Braves Player of all times, and crowd favourite Dale Murphy were traded. Dale Murphy’s trade opened the way for Justice who hit that Homerun to clinch the series in 1995, and was traded prematurely with Grissom. Frank ignore the noise and try to put a championship team on the field this upcoming season.

By hop

January 9, 2009 9:04 PM | Link to this

this is a very sad day for the braves as they reach a new low in dropping a another bomb on the players and fans of the braves.

it speaks volumes when boston has far more faith than the braves on john’s ability to comeback as he always has from previous setbacks!

i would not bet against him this time as he has proven a money player throughout his career.

once again terence moore misses the point in seeing an atlanta icon leave because of a two million difference .

what a joke this winter has turned out for the braves,but what will ready been telling is when they the braves do not spend the 50mm they had left over from last year.

this team will be fighting for last place with washington.

By Crime Pays Sometimes

January 9, 2009 9:06 PM | Link to this

Fight Realtor, you couldn’t get through three sentences without exposing yourself as blog-simple.

Terrance is a superior writer.

But, if you apologize, like I know you’re going to, then maybe I can convince him you really didn’t mean it……

By hugh

January 9, 2009 9:06 PM | Link to this

Listen up—OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BRAVES SEASON TICKET HOLDER GROUP(211 OF US)—HAVE DROPPED OUR RENEWAL— Frank Wren has wimped out on every opportunity—the Braves are now mainly AA players— Not worth watching— 211 season ticket holders doesn’t bother Wren—he’s despicable—-as is Liberty Media.

By Murphy

January 9, 2009 9:08 PM | Link to this

True points here Mr. Moore. Smoltz deserves to be with a team that actually has the money to win. It sucks for those of us down here limply holding our tomahawks with nothing much to cheer for down at the Ted.

By shelia smith

January 9, 2009 9:09 PM | Link to this

I think the world of Smoltz,this has broke my heart.I never thought he would leave like this. I hope he has a great season. I’m upset with Chipper.I understand his feelings,i’m mad too,but going so public with this could hurt the team,and thats wrong. John would not want that. We love you CHIPPER AND HOPE THIS WILL NOT MAKE YOU LEAVE TOO. . To John, the fans here love you very much,you are part of our families,not just a ball player. You will be missed,and you will always be our Smoltz,and no-one else’s,no matter what uni you wear.We always thought you would retire a Brave, You and Chipper,and then be here in another roll. I still hope that will be true,some way, some how.we’ll always love you, and pull for you no matter what. Good Luck my friend.

By rich blais

January 9, 2009 9:13 PM | Link to this

What a crock!!!! the guy is a primadonna! Where’s the thanks on his end? You’re paid millions playing golf while pitching part-time and your feelings get hurt because they don’t throw a couple of million at you even though you may not be able to work, just a little?? Go and take that puss jones with you. I wish my employer would pay me for doing nothing just because he gives me a job. All you people need to get a dose of reality. Poor John, Poor chip, who gives a flying!!!! You all suck!

By Da Mick

January 9, 2009 9:14 PM | Link to this

Terrence,

After the years and years and years of shaking my head in disgust at your columns, it’s remarkable to see you offer a perspective that actually makes a lot of sense. Congratulations, you should give some thought to writing grounded sports columns full time.

By Marc

January 9, 2009 9:21 PM | Link to this

I’m not angry; I’m confused. Nothing the front office has done this offseason has made much sense to me. This whole Smoltz thing just makes it even more bizarre. In any case I’ll cheer him on if I ever get to see him pitch again.

By grafe

January 9, 2009 9:22 PM | Link to this

i agree that people are overreacting a bit and while i haven’t been the biggest fan of wren since he took over this is more than understandable i think. i also want to point out that glavine was a pretty good pitcher with the mets, certainly not as good as he had been with the braves but he was average to good every year he pitched in new york.

By Dixie Dawg

January 9, 2009 9:31 PM | Link to this

I agree with the person in the very first post who said something about the ownership.

If we had REAL local owners who gave a “frak” about this club, then none of this John Smoltz stuff ever would have happened.

Liberty Media has got to be one of the worst owners the Braves have ever had. Hell, maybe in the major leagues!

I just cannot believe MLB owners and Selig ever approved of this sale. This ownership gives the Braves a “cheap” feel. And don’t forget, Liberty is also behind porn, as well. I remember reading that before the sale went final.

I was thinking to myself “I hope this sale doesn’t go through.” The Braves have been nothing but mediocre since Ted let ‘em go to corporate owners.

The Braves are being ran by a bunch of used care salesmen!

LIBERTY MEDIA SUCKS PLEASE SELL THE BRAVES TO ARTHUR M. BLANK!!!!!!

By Jo

January 9, 2009 9:43 PM | Link to this

I loved Smoltz in the day but I disagree with his leaving. All he gave the Braves we cry? What of all of the years, like last year, that he pitched almost nothing and still got paid more than 10 Million?? Doesnt he owe the Braves too a bit of loyalty??

Bad one Smoltz and I for one am not crying as you will do close to nothing in Boston anyway.

Lets get Lowe!

By dg

January 9, 2009 9:44 PM | Link to this

One point no one has mentioned. What will this do to Brave ticket sales? Smoltz is still a draw as well as a team leader. Is that moral worth the money not spent?

By mjurgens89

January 9, 2009 10:15 PM | Link to this

Yes! * Please Mr. Blank - buy the Braves!* they need all the help they can get!

By Ken W

January 9, 2009 10:24 PM | Link to this

Hi Terrence, This is an extremely well written perspective that really hits the nail on the head. I have to believe that winning is John’s motivation for leaving. Thanks for writing this piece.

By Scott

January 9, 2009 10:25 PM | Link to this

I agree with Moore. When I first heard Smoltz was leaving it was like a body blow. But after thinking about it (a lot), I have to side with the Braves on this one. There is no guarantee that Smoltz will pitch and if he does it is for the stretch run in Sept and Oct. The Braves need starting pitching NOW. I agree with Frank Wren in that the Braves were going to pay Smoltz as much as the Red Sox to pitch. They just werent’ going to pay him as much as the Red Sox to not pitch. I wish Smoltz good luck, it was fun while it lasted. The Braves need to get someone like Derek Lowe and they need to work on a long term deal to keep Chipper until he retires. Just my 2 cents.

By 22oz

January 9, 2009 10:28 PM | Link to this

Well, Terence, you and i finally agree on something. Smoltz was ready to go, and used the difference in offers to save face and put the blame all on the Braves. Its just too bad everyone immediatelt jumps on the “evil” front office.

By Allen Mc

January 9, 2009 10:39 PM | Link to this

John Smoltz is an important part of the Atlanta Braves’ history. However, he isn’t the entire franchise. If Michael Jordan can leave the Bulls and play for the Wizards and Joe Montana can end up with the Chiefs at the end of their careers, then certainly Smoltz can play out his last few games with the Red Sox. Wren made the right move- it is time to rebuild, as painful as it may be. Smo;tz- thanks for the memories. Wren- thanks for the courage.

By Henry V111

January 9, 2009 10:46 PM | Link to this

We should try to get something for Chipper now if he has any trade value, he misses a third of the games in each of the past 4 to 5 seasons. I am not too sad that Smoltz is gone, he has been a great pitcher for the Braves, but he has missed almost three years total due to injury since 1991 and still got paid all those years. It is time to get the Braves back to the top of the NL and we need new younger talent to take us there, not a 42 year old with a bombed Arm. I wish Smoltz well in Beantown and will root for him against those Dam Yankees who continues to try and buy a World Series.

By Greg M

January 9, 2009 10:53 PM | Link to this

been a braves fan for 36 years….no more…done..over it..this is a joke

By BullDawg79

January 9, 2009 10:55 PM | Link to this

Hey rich blais, Remember Jones won the batting title last year at his age. Teixiera admitted his resurgence in hitting was due to learning from Chipper. As far as Smoltz, he has more heart and guts than anyone in the Braves organization. Anyone that tells me I should support the organization needs to remember the organization is the players. Noone goes to the ballpark to see the owner, GM, or anyone else in the front office.

Boycott the Braves. I have spent my last dime on them, especially since they will not lower ticket prices to reflect their pecuniary approach to the team this year.

Jones is right. Smoltz, with his HOF performance has earned the benefit of the doubt if anyone questions whether he will be able to perform. The Braves have wasted more money over the years on useless acquisitions like Kolb and his ilk yet refuse to honor the real Braves like Smoltz.

I hope Smoltz wins another WS ring with the RedSox so Wren will be fired.

By bill

January 9, 2009 11:00 PM | Link to this

This article is dead wrong. The Braves were taking him for granted and using everything possible against him to try to get a good discount. They were not communicating with him. He was p** and sad about what was being done by Braves management.

He told friends that he wanted to stay here. He told the media he wanted to stay. He told the Braves he wanted to stay.

The Braves assumed he would just take whatever they paid him since he is recently divorced and would like to stay near his kids in addition to wanting to finish as a Brave.

It is unforgivable what they did to our most beloved player perhaps of all-time.

Wren and McGuirk are liars. Period.

John did probably chose the Sox based on a chance to win another ring, but the choice to leave Atlanta in the first place was made FOR him.

By JRJ

January 9, 2009 11:05 PM | Link to this

“it’s time for everybody to take a deep breath and move on.” - Terrance Moore

No, it is NOT time to move on. Not yet. I’m afraid you do not get over something like this in a couple of days! When someone is with an organization for 21 years, and you, as a fan, follow this player and the organization for the 21 years, you don’t get over it overnight! This is quite comparable to losing a friend. You don’t get over losing that friend in a day or two. This is the kind of hurt that runs deep. In fact, I dare say there will be some Braves fans (maybe EX-Braves fans) who won’t EVER forget this thing. The Braves Nation needs time to grieve for the loss of Smoltz before we move on. Sure, the organization can do whatever they need to do. But, we fans have a right to take time to heal this wound.

By Skeezix

January 9, 2009 11:10 PM | Link to this

I don’t blame Smoltzie for this debacle—I blame this clueless ownership and that lying, lackey bunch of sorry incompetent synchofants called ‘Braves management’. This bunch have turned our beloved Braves into one of the sorriest teams in MLB.

I wish Smoltzie all the best. He, along with Hammerin’ Hank, Mad Dog and Eddie Mathews, will always be among my all time favorite Braves.

Also, lets never forget how badly ownership treated Skip the last 2-3 years before his passing.

By coachgb

January 9, 2009 11:10 PM | Link to this

I spent the first day trying to figure out if I was more angry at Wren or Smoltz. Baseball, it is a business, almost like politics. Everyone is always trying to save face first and foremost. Smoltz wanted to go play for a team most feel will be in the playoffs, the Sox, not the Braves! He had to make it sound like he was upset with the disrespect he was getting from the Braves. Wren had to make it sound like the Braves wanted Smoltz real bad. I’m sure they did, but it was the old Smoltz they wanted, not the one that doesn’t know for sure if he will pitch again. Just goes to show you…well it goes to show you something, I’m just not real sure of what!

By DOUG ELKINS

January 9, 2009 11:13 PM | Link to this

If Smoltz can help keep the Dark Side from winning the World Series then it is a good thing!!!!!Damn Yankees!!

By Chris in Marietta

January 9, 2009 11:26 PM | Link to this

Sorry Terrence. Your opinions, like that stupid idea of having the Braves spend money to bring Andruw back, warrant you to be sent down to the minors too. Maybe you’re better suited to write for a small market rag?

As for the Braves and their mistreatment of Smoltz & the Braves fans…I don’t think you or the Braves front office…have seen the impact of this utter stupidity. If you watched Frank “Wreck” today you know this man has no soul, lies like a politician and should be thrown out immediately, with the rest of the bozos right behind him.

The Braves have become a JOKE….very sad.

By Bill

January 9, 2009 11:29 PM | Link to this

Look at this two ways; 1. Smoltz will be better off with the Sox and maybe get another ring this year. Braves are going no where in 09, maybe finish 3rd. 2. With Smoltz gone the Braves can sign another young pitcher that one day may be as good as Smoltz. Both win.

I hope one day Smoltz returns as Mgr. Nobody wants to win more than him and he knows baseball as good as anyone.

Just think the Braves may get* A. Jones* back…boy thats really wanting to win. The Dodger pay 22 million to get rid of AJ and Braves want him back. Which direction does that tell you the Dodgers are going (up) and which way are the Braves going (down).

With all the stars gone its time for a younger mgr. Wren said “the reality is, they’re getting older and they’re not the same.” That goes for Mgr. too. Retire Mr. Cox

By RC35

January 9, 2009 11:31 PM | Link to this

This is not just another move. Smoltz has a lot more left in the tank than most of the players you mentioned. This was a slap in the face of the Braves’ fan base, an insult to one of the all-time great pitchers, and an illogical refusal to invest available funds in a proven winner.

Inviting Derek Lowe to the Ted on the same day was like bringing a date to your spouse’s funeral. All I see in Lowe is a gun for hire who has already had more arm trouble (by his current age) than Smoltz did.

Mr. Moore, you are usually a favorite columnist, but you missed this one like Jim Ray Hart swinging at a Phil Niekro “eephus” pitch.

By renegade

January 9, 2009 11:34 PM | Link to this

at first i was p**. but after pondering on it a while i’ve decided ;good move braves , great move john. you found a boatload of dumba$$es who just love to throw money away. well congrats on your little boston tea party.here’s hopeing your arm holds up til you get to chunk some balls at them mean ole braves who wouldn’t over pay you to not contribute. really though thanks for the 20+ years of being a team guy and a stand up citizen. good luck and good health and well see ya at the turnip this summer.

By curtis jones

January 9, 2009 11:39 PM | Link to this

The scariest thing about this column is that Terence Moore has a Hall of Fame vote. And the qualifications to be a Hall voter are, what, having cable?

But, in case anyone’s forgotten, Smoltz owes the Braves some kind of loyalty for those early years when they paid for his sports shrink. The guy’s a head case, and the Boston press will eat him alive after he makes one or two appearances and spends the rest of the season cashing his guaranteed check.

By Bill

January 10, 2009 12:06 AM | Link to this

**curtis jones, Smoltz don’t owe the Braves a damn thing. He put more Fans in the stands than any other player in 21 years. He busted his a@@ every pitch and nobody wanted to win more. He help younger players on the team. He spent his money on Churches, hospitals, schools, childrens homes and little league teams and more than I can name. The Braves got credit for all his work because he was MR. Braves. He went all over the country speaking to youth group as a Brave, a star. That my friend put Millions in the Braves pockets and stands. What the he!!, some people can’t see the trees for the Forest. Damn Braves management and its cheap organization. They don’t deserve to win.

No wonder Free Agents don’t want to come here.

By scottbravesfan

January 10, 2009 12:07 AM | Link to this

Chipper Jones just won a batting title and posted the second highest batting average in the history of baseball for a switch hitter and you people are wanting to trade him? Sure why not, because everyone knows the Braves offense is loaded. Oh wait, no it’s not.

Seriously people put the crack pipe down.

By Ken Stallings

January 10, 2009 12:22 AM | Link to this

Terrence,

I think among all the columns written on this subject, your’s struck the truest tone!

I agree that for Smoltz, the Red Sox strength for post season was a major factor. I think we all would love to see the man win a ring with them.

But I also agree that the Braves were foolish to trade David Justice and that move ranks as the beginning of the ebb because Justice went on to many productive years that would have greatly helped the Braves win more world titles. Justice’s homer accounted for the margin that gave us the one title.

To trade him immediately thereafter was a shocking and foolish move. Smoltz’s departure doesn’t rank as foolish because it wasn’t done six years ago. But, from a public relations standpoint it hurts more than Justice’s trade because despite his talent Justice didn’t establish two decades of connection with the Braves fans and community.

By tk angel

January 10, 2009 12:26 AM | Link to this

Good point Terence. I just wish Smoltz would stay and help the team out. He still got paid a lot of money last year even though he wasn’t able to pitch. Everybody is out for the money no matter who they are.

By Jim

January 10, 2009 12:46 AM | Link to this

Smoltz had the option to stay with the Braves - how many more millions does he need? No ire was raised when he was injured and not able to play over the years. And as for Chipper being so upset, my advice to the Braves is to send him packing as well. Yeah, he hits for a high average, but I’ve seen him wiff way too many times in the clutch for him to be worth keeping. All those playoff and World Series opportunities what did ole’ Chipper contribute to turn losses into wins? I lost interest in him when he shamed himself with his slimy personal life. Get rid of him and don’t let the door his behind on the way out.

By azcat225

January 10, 2009 12:50 AM | Link to this

Frank Wren—-Proof positive that the Peter Principle is alive and well.

By bravesfanbob

January 10, 2009 12:57 AM | Link to this

You’re full of it, Terrence. This wasn’t about money or winning…This was about respect! The Braves gave him none. That’s why he’s in Boston. I hear Bobby Cox is pretty furious to say the least, too. So expect this to be his last year. Congrats, Braves! You’ve taken a wonderful organization, and turned it into the Florida Marlins.

By Mitch

January 10, 2009 1:03 AM | Link to this

Terrance, let me put it into perspective for you like this.

The Braves are worried about spending a few million more, for a guy that was with them for 20 years, won 210 games, saved 154 more, and will be in the Hall of Fame?

Between early 2005, and late 2008, the Braves spent.. nearly 45 million, or more.. on a gentleman named Michael William Hampton, who made a total of ten starts for them, in nearly four years, and then, he batted it out of town back to Houston, quicker than a a runner running a speed race. Hampton hasn’t had nearly the career that Smoltz did, and he meant not even a fraction as much to the Braves.

Terry Mcguirk is trying to cover his behind with his statement. If old Mr Mcguirk really gave a rat’s butt about Smoltzie, he’d have made him a reasonable offer, taking into consideration not only 2009, but Smoltz’s twenty plus years here, and all the times John took less money, to remain with us, when Glavine, et al, all fled to other teams.

I truly don’t think John wanted to leave. I think that he was offended by the Braves offer. Smoltzie isnt stupid. He knows how much money Hampton made just sitting on the DL for almost four yeazs. He had to be thinking.. “Hmm, Hampton made so much sitting on the DL for so many years, they cant give me a couple of mil extra, to take a chance, for one year? This is the thanks I get, after 20 good years with them, and a Hall of Fame career?”

I like and respect Phil Niekro a lot. I’ve been a Braves fan since 1983, so I remember when he left, but I dont agree with him about this. Ted Turner tried to force Phil to retire, and Phil got even, winning number 300 with the Yankees, as the Braves fell to last place.

Sorry, Terrance, I cant agree with you. Smoltz leaving is going to be a P.R. nightmare that will take the Braves a long time to recover from. 42 years old or not, I think Smoltz will come back, and pitch well for Boston. What would be poetic justice, is if Smoltzie won that second world championship with Boston, as the Braves lost, about 100 games, and played before an empty park this summer.

Fans are going to take a long time to “calm down” about this. The Braves are done. The Hawks, in spite of their two losses to Orlando this week, are Atlanta’s new team now. As for the Braves, they will just be a footnote for the next few years, with a very muted tomahawk chop chant, from the few fans that will show up at the Ted this summer, to witness a team that may play like a reincarnation of 1989, when they lost, 97 games.

By wildbird

January 10, 2009 1:32 AM | Link to this

lowe has never had any arm trouble check the facts man

By Gene Clark

January 10, 2009 1:42 AM | Link to this

Wow, you must not be listening to the fans. Not a single person is mad at Smoltz. Everyone understands why he left. We are furious with this administration, and we all believe that after an abysmal offseason, this was the last straw and now Frank Wren must be fired.

By Mitch

January 10, 2009 1:56 AM | Link to this

I posted a long comment a bit ago, and dont know where it went, so I want to post another one. I’ll make this one brief.

I’m sorry, Terrance, but I cant “calm down” about this. I have to look at it this way: We spent $40 million plus for nearly four years, to see one Michael William Hampton sit on the DL for most of that time, and then hot foot it out of town. You’re telling me that after doing that, a guy like Smoltz wasnt worth a gamble for one year, for a couple of million more, after all he has done in his career, and all the times he stayed here, for less money? I dont buy it.

One final thing: Mt Mguirk is giving the old “company line” to cover himself, for letting Smoltz get away. John Scherholtz was raked over the coals when Glavine left in 2002, and Mcgirk is trying to do damage control.

I think if the Braves had made Smoltz a reasonable offer, he would have stayed. He left because they insulted him. They cant expect to let a guy who has meant so much to this city and this team, get away, as they did, and not have fans be upset about it.

It will take me a while to “calm down” about this. I have been a Braves fan for 25 yrs, through good and bad, and this to me, is one of the lowest moments in Braves history.

By jed

January 10, 2009 2:40 AM | Link to this

great column. you’re exactly right. i think both smoltz and the braves did the right thing for themselves here. i cant wait to see smoltz get back into the playoffs, where he belongs. and unfortunately, it’s not looking like it’s gonna happen with the braves. if you’re angry, that’s where you need to look.

By Evan

January 10, 2009 5:38 AM | Link to this

Terrance…I’m simply going to say this:

YOU made a huge mistake by telling Braves fans to calm down about losing Smoltz!

By old gator

January 10, 2009 5:48 AM | Link to this

What’s more shocking than Smoltz pitching for another team is Mr. T Moore telling us to to take a deep breath and move on. I think he is right on this time.

By mike

January 10, 2009 7:24 AM | Link to this

It want matter what the fans say about any of this,never has ,never will . Baseball is a business, players are employees , and most of all,MONEY TALKS !! Good luck John Smoltz, on a good business decision .

By taco slammer

January 10, 2009 7:26 AM | Link to this

The Braves have no pitchers, yet they let John Smoltz walk. Makes perfect sense doesn’t it? The Braves will get spanked again this year. We have no team. I will not watch.

By Michael

January 10, 2009 7:42 AM | Link to this

While I agree that John deserves another shot at winning - and he’ll have that at Boston, and good for him - I also belive he wanted to finish his career here. He said so himself, too many times, in this newspaper.

He also took pay cuts along the way so the Braves could better themselves while Time-Warner/AOL was throttling the payroll.

So if I’m John Smoltz, and I want to win more than anything in the world (which he always has), and I get a low ball offer from a team that has done absolutely NOTHING to better itself since last year, I do the exact same thing he did.

So let’s not confuse what our collective anger is about. Yes, we’re PO about Smoltz leaving - but I’m way more angry about why he left. He left because the Atlanta Braves have shown no commitment whatsoever to fielding a winning team.

I don’t care if that’s Frank Wren’s fault, Terry McGuirk’s fault, or Liberty Media’s fault. The fact is, this team has gone from an organization that espoused excellence to an organization that just plain sucks a little bit more with each passing day. Adding Derek Lowe isn’t going to change that, and losing John Smoltz just makes it 10 times worse.

So please don’t waste my time telling me to calm down - why don’t you write an expose on how one of the most elite organizations in all of sports has turned into just another joke of a team? How and why has this happened? That would be a great article to read, Mr. Moore.

This is a PR nightmare for the Braves, as well it should be. When the face of the team realizes you don’t care about winning, the fan base gets it, too.

By Michael

January 10, 2009 7:55 AM | Link to this

One last thought - I find it “Moore” than a little peculiar that Terrence wrote one of his most scathing articles ever when Brian Jordan was shipped off to the Dodgers, but now tells us all to calm down when we lose John Smoltz? So am I to believe that your Hall Of Fame Voter credentials mean that you believe losing Brian Jordan was a mistake but Smoltz makes sense? Something about your bias on this kind of stinks, and your recognition of what those two players contributed overall to the Atlanta Braves is so far off the charts that I frankly don’t see how you justify your article.

By JG 66

January 10, 2009 8:42 AM | Link to this

I am disappointed that loyalty and integrity is no longer a part of American sports. The Braves stuck by (and Paid) John Smoltz when he couldn’t pitch. The least Smoltz could have done is come back and talk to the Braves.

By Barry

January 10, 2009 9:00 AM | Link to this

I wouldn’t call David Justice a Braves icon. You also don’t let a clubhouse leader slip away so easily. The numbers are one thing, but the leadership is priceless. So, no, I’m not going to calm down. The Braves have laid a goose egg this off-season.

By Kevin

January 10, 2009 9:07 AM | Link to this

I heard the panic stricken guys on the sports radio shows wetting their panties today, as usual (Matt on 680 being the biggest one) about the Braves are just done, and we need to rebuild now. Wrong! There is no such word as rebuilding when your in the top 10 in MLB in spending money. If the Braves get Lowe or Peavy, they have a top 3 starting pitching staff in the National League. They already have one of the top bullpens, and I am a believer in Francour coming back and having a great year (30, 100 this year…guaranteed). With their great infield in place, if they can add a Ankiel, or a decent hitting outfielder I think they have enough to compete for the NL East title. Don’t listen to the radio booger eaters…any novice sports fan could outpick those pansies on any sport, any year!

By Barry

January 10, 2009 9:08 AM | Link to this

And yeah, the Sox are contenders. The Braves would be contenders this year if they would’ve acted more agressive in signing the personnel they need to win the division. They didn’t. I don’t blame Smoltz for leaving. Even rats know when to flee a sinking ship.

By ericn

January 10, 2009 9:19 AM | Link to this

after pitching 39 innings last year- you would think a player would have some loyalty - but his chances of winning are beter in boston - the braves might as well bite the bullet and go with the youth movement - their chances this year are poor- so might as well bring up some young blood and let’s watch ‘em struggle and grow versus watching this team struggle and wither-I’ll still pull for smoltz

By turkey

January 10, 2009 9:20 AM | Link to this

This is exactly what is wrong with the braves. 1995 is long gone and for some reason everyone wants to look back. Yes Smoltz was a great pitcher but wasn’t his time up. Move foward plan for the future do not get caught up in this sentimental trap.

By Finally!

January 10, 2009 9:29 AM | Link to this

This is the first article you have written that I agreed with 100%!! Baseball players just want to win and Smoltz wants to win another World Series and he knows he will not with the Braves. How many of the same people who are screaming about him leaving would do the same thing? Every one!!

By Steve

January 10, 2009 9:33 AM | Link to this

I’d like to suggest a John Smoltz Appreciation Day. Everyone stays home on Opening Day to express their displeasure at this situation.

By Guy

January 10, 2009 9:48 AM | Link to this

TM is correct and let’s move on.The sun is still rising and setting even without John Smoltz.He will be missed,but he made a decision all of us have to accept. Let’s roll!!!

By Drixie

January 10, 2009 9:50 AM | Link to this

Terrence, I agree with you. Smoltz is one of my favorite Braves of all time, and will always be. But I’m happy he’s going to get a chance to play for a playoff contender. It may be years before the Braves make the playoffs again, and Smoltz will have long retired. Good luck Smoltzie!

By carmatter

January 10, 2009 9:59 AM | Link to this

Honesty/integrity forces me to admit that I agree with T Moore on this one.

By dap01

January 10, 2009 10:05 AM | Link to this

Thanks for a well timed blog.

By PlusSizeModel

January 10, 2009 10:28 AM | Link to this

I am so sick of people saying the Braves owed Smoltz anything. How much did he make in salary over his career? $150 MIllion? Smoltz was treated like a God!

The fact is he is now damaged goods and the Braves are going to be mediocre at best for a couple of years. WHY KEEP HIM? Also, has it occurred to anyone that Smoltz really WANTS to play in Boston? I would if I were him: a legendary baseball town, contending for a title. The Braves are doing him a favor.

By Rick Long

January 10, 2009 11:08 AM | Link to this

Curtis Jones and others:

John Smoltz doesn’t “OWE” the Braves anything. This guy has pitched his heart out for this team for two decades while doing so through a number of extremely painful injuries. He also had the opportunity to leave for more money in the past, but never did so. This team is currently in serious rebuilding mode (something I feel management should have realized several years ago rather than delaying the rebuilding process by, for example, trading 5 prospects for Mr. Mercenary, Mark Texeira).

With no assurances that he is even going to be healthy enough to pitch this year, being 42 years old and recognizing that the Braves are rebuilding, I can’t believe that some fans are criticizing him for deciding to pitch for Boston.

The real problem for the Braves is not Smoltz leaving, but Wren appearing like he has no clue about how to be a competent GM.

By SportsFan57

January 10, 2009 11:09 AM | Link to this

Smoltz made 14 mil last year and pitched how much? After taking their money while he was hurt doesn’t he at least owe them a second bite at the apple after the Sox made their offer? The fact Smoltz did not give the Braves a second chance speaks volumes. His feelings were hurt by the first offer? Grow up. He wants another WS ring, say so and move on. With the onset of free agency like Sienfield said we are only rooting for the laundry.

By GT65

January 10, 2009 11:20 AM | Link to this

Terence: You are exactly right, and I don’t blame the Braves and I don’t Blame John Smoltz —one of my top three Atlanta Braves of all time. Best to John this season with the Red Sox.

BTW Terence, this is an excellent piece —great job.

By Phil Nieske

January 10, 2009 11:23 AM | Link to this

The bottom line is are the Braves winning titles? Not even close now. Everyone is expendable now because we aren’t winning. Smoltz is my favorite Brave and the one I would want on the mound in the post season. Retire his number build a statue he will get his due at the Ted I’m sure. The Braves won’t win again until they get a new coach, a good coach, not someone in the Braves organization who gets a promotion. Chipper had an awesome year last year and a couple more like that he could be in Cooperstown. He keeps getting better if he doesn’t get injured. But enough about the Braves we really need to be fighting the New World Order!

By Keith

January 10, 2009 11:24 AM | Link to this

Terrence -

Yes, you are right about how we should feel about Smoltz. But this is not what the Braves Nation is furious about! Everyone with the least bit of knowledge about the Braves and baseball knows that Smoltz cannot be blamed one bit for this. I am a lifelong Braves fan and will always be a John Smoltz fan. Best of luck to John in Boston - I will no doubt be rooting for him.

The problem is Braves management. If he says he wants to finish his career in Atlanta, you do whatever it takes. Smoltz is the face of the franchise. He defines what it means to be a Brave. Frank Wren has done nothing but strike out this winter. The Peavy situation - ok, I’ll give Wren credit for that - the Padres wanted too much. But Burnett, Furcal, Smoltz - that’s 3 strikes and you’re out, Frank. He must go. That $30M-$40M that he keeps talking about now should be spent on Schuerholz to have him come back down to GM.

By gsb

January 10, 2009 11:57 AM | Link to this

The Braves management has been unfairly critized. They have a much smaller pay roll to work with than Boston and substantial money is already tied up on the injured Tim Hudson. Smoltz was a great pitcher but is not the same physically and no longer fits what ATL needs to rebuild the team.

By thr2

January 10, 2009 11:58 AM | Link to this

It is what it is. Terence thanks for stating what sounds like the truth. John wanted to go to where he has a chance to get another ring and he never gave a chance to the Braves to counter so this was his choice. It surprised me to say the least but when Glavine left so did that. I do think he owed the Braves more than this slap in the face (I thought Hampton did too) but then he never got over the Braves basically telling Maddux to go away and I didn’t either. It is what it is. The days of Ted asking what do you need to win are over. Maybe Arthur Blank will buy the Braves and we can get back to the benefits of having an owner and best of all a salary cap in baseball to make level the playing field and make it a fair game.

By Samuel Alex

January 10, 2009 12:10 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t be surprise to see Chipper Jones go to the Red Sox when free agency comes. The Red Sox could use a 1st basemen and move Youkilis to 3rd or the othee way around. Yes I will tip my cap to Chipper if he leaves and I am rooting for him to do it.

By Father of 5

January 10, 2009 12:44 PM | Link to this

At first I was upset and, now that I’ve heard Wren’s spin and considered everything, I couldn’t agree more with Chipper! This is different. This is Smoltz. I rank Smoltz above every guy listed in TM’s column. I say Smoltz sits at the very top of Atlanta sports icons, considering the whole package and what he has done for this city. If Wren manned up and offered to match whatever value an outside team placed on Smoltz, then this article would make sense. Instead, for a de minimus portion of the overall budget (but HUGE dollars to an individual like Smoltz — especially as he goes through a divorce), Wren got cheap and basically offered Smoltz cab fare out of town. Smoltz had no choice — and you just do not treat a guy like Smoltz that way.

You and the Braves seriously miscalculated if you think my family and I are going to “get over it” like this was one of those other guys. This is Smoltz. My baseball loving boys will get their fill of GTech baseball this year, and the Gwinnett Braves. I don’t care what has-been they sign; we are done with Turner Field as long as Wren is in charge. That idiot actually spoke about pursuing Lowe to get some “veteran leadership” in the clubhouse — what do you think he just gave up?!? Wren sleeps at night by thinking he “made the best offer he could” to a 42 year old pitcher “who might not pitch again.” Did Wren even watch Smoltz get his 3000 K? He was totally dominating — and that was with a hurt 41 year old arm! How do you think he’ll pitch if healthy? Name players you’d rather have pitching for you in the playoffs ahead of Smoltz — that list runs out pretty quickly, even with his 42 year old arm. Wren clearly is planning on playoffs, and that tells me not to plan to attend any games — except maybe to watch Smoltz come back one last time and kick their tail. You don’t “get over” the final nail in the coffin — you bury it and finish the job.

By Pittsburgh Al

January 10, 2009 12:57 PM | Link to this

I agree. Braves fans should give it up because Smoltz is where he wants to be and it gives him the best chance to have a relevant end to his career. You would think he has a lot of money but remember he just went through a divorce and he embraces a high standard of living. Boston will provide him with the anonymity that he has not enjoyed in Atlanta and allow him to enjoy a freer lifestyle. Combine that with playing for a contender, in the most exciting park in baseball at more money… what a great opportunity for him. Now the Braves should be ready for a trip to Pirateland with me where we have little resources to compete (remember the Braves are corporate owned} and most days at the park are very dismal. At least the Pirates have lots of prospects (Most that will never develop or will be traded as soon as they do) where the Braves have already traded all of their prospects away for rental players that are never resigned.

By bobby

January 10, 2009 1:00 PM | Link to this

Whose time was Smoltz working on when he hurt his arm? It’s not his fault he got hurt and I’m sure he would have preferred otherwise. To say that he should give back part of the money from last year is idiotic. I bet none of you would refuse workman’s comp or any other pay if you got hurt on your job. Best of luck to him.

By Virginia

January 10, 2009 1:22 PM | Link to this

These people talk about how much John has given to the orgainzation, Have you thought about what they have given him while he sat on the bench. Get a life it’s business. By the way, I felt the same way when David Justice left. I like John.

By Barnesy

January 10, 2009 1:35 PM | Link to this

I can’t agree with this article. Calm down? Most of are looking for a pulse rate in the front office. Once we detect that, you may notice a pulse rate in the stands. Time for an overhaul.

By rick

January 10, 2009 1:47 PM | Link to this

At one time the Braves had three Cy Young winners on staff. Now they have none. When Glavine left he whined about how badly the Braves treated him. Now Smoltz has left and he’s doing the same thing. As for Maddox, I don’t remember any whining. He simply turned the page and moved on to the Cubs. Maddox manned up, Smoltz and Glavine didn’t.

Glavine and now Smoltz chased money which means they’re just like every other Major League ballplayer. This business about how badly they’ve been treated is a smoke screen. They want the fans to think that team loyalty matters more than money. Don’t delude yourselves. It doesn’t. Never has and never will.

Smoltz could have made more money but he took less to stay in Atlanta out of loyalty? Sorry, Smoltz stayed in Atlanta because the Braves’ offers were good enough all things considered. Like he didn’t have to relocate; like his kids wouldn’t have to change schools and make new friends; like he would remain the Big Man in the clubhouse; like the difference between $13,000,00 and $14,500,000 is not that great when you’re up in those kinds of numbers. He took a little less because it caused a little less stress. I understand that completely. I would do the same.

What I don’t understand is how so many fans don’t seem to realize that this is the way it works, whether you’re talking about John Smoltz or Tom Glavine or Chipper Jones. Jones, by the way, has already started to whine. At least Maddox spared us the whining.

By Ken Brown

January 10, 2009 1:48 PM | Link to this

Terrence Moore has no clue. Smoltz has repeatedly has said he would never leave this organization. This is about respect. The Braves took for granted that he would stay and take less money because he’s done that in the past. Here’s a team that’s in dire need of front line pitching with money to spend and they low-balled their best. It’s utter stupidity, arrogance, and disrespect.

John Smoltz would not have left if he felt respected. It was not about another championship ring, Mr. Moore. You are dead wrong.

By RodneyW

January 10, 2009 2:04 PM | Link to this

5.5 versus 2.5??? Guess Smoltz is not worth 3 mil to Wren. I for one would have invested 3 mil in Smoltz’s comeback try over another Hampton.

By H2

January 10, 2009 2:39 PM | Link to this

By H2

January 10, 2009 2:35 PM | Link to this

I’ve been watching Braves baseball for quite a while (since they arrived in ‘66, actually). I’d like management to harking back to the not so long ago days of 100 game-loss seasons. I’m not suggesting that management speand till it drops…however, I do suggest that they stop being overly frugal (in the midst of raising ticket and concession prices). Remember, no one feels the “economic pinch” more than the FANS! Remember us? Yeah, we’re the ones that paid salaries for your mediocrity over the last three seasons! Oh, and please get rid of John Schuerholz…he values the dollar more than he values the fans. Yes, for me, it’s “SOUR FREAKING GRAPES!”

By PN

January 10, 2009 2:42 PM | Link to this

David Justice can hardly be mentioned in the same sentence as the others you listed, let alone the same article. Get real Moore.

By jojatek

January 10, 2009 2:44 PM | Link to this

Very tough to see Smoltzie go, but time to move on… Wren and McGuirk better be sitting in Chipper’s living room right now…

By 35YearBravesFan

January 10, 2009 2:45 PM | Link to this

I agree. It wasn’t the money, it’s winning. The sad thing is how Smoltz treated the Braves, not telling them the real deal about moving. Chipper needs to get a grip, and settle down. He may not remain a Brave either, depending on what happens. But hey, as everyone says these days…. Baseball is a business.

By Supes

January 10, 2009 2:52 PM | Link to this

Person who said that we need to “leave Frank Wren” alone so he can field a championship team…ARE YOU KIDDING YOURSELF!

Look folks, maybe this would have looked “better off” if Frank and Terry would just ADMIT the TRUTH.

The Atlanta Braves organization is at LEAST 2 years away from being a competitive team once again. All of our impact players (including Jordan S. and Hanson) appear to be at least a year away. All indications point to Jordan S. starting out the year in AAA and maybe brought in later on, so he won’t get a full season in the majors until 2010. How much can you “put on a rookie” like Hanson. Anyone remember Charlie Morton’s season this past year? Exactly.

We don’t have our 1 starter in Hudson, we don’t know how much (if anything we’ll get out of Tommy right now)

We have Jair and Vasquez, two pitchers who are no better than a 2 (on their best day) and normally a number 3 starter in the majors.

Even if you add Lowe this team falls short of 80 wins in 2009. Meaning on NL east and no playoffs.

They failed to land Peavy (biggest mistake yet), which resulted in a domino effect - FRANK WREN striking out as a GM while trying to land players.

So 2009 and even 2010 are going to be tough seasons, .500 ball at best.

With that being said, why not give Smoltz his 5 million and LET him retire a Brave. I think he’s EARNED that much. Don’t you think? He has pitched for ALL of you (FANS) until his arm dangles to the side in the dugout like it’s going to fall off for over 20 years, done everything he was asked to do, became a closer, moved back to being a starter, and was your vocal leader in the clubhouse. On top of all of that he was a great person for the ATL community and a good man.

He took a paycut ONCE to stay with this team, could have taken the money and went to the Dark Empire. So this ISN’T about money. It’s about respect, loyalty, appreciation.

John believed that after everything he should have been treated with respect and he wasn’t. He was offered a LOW ball contract from the Braves who were counting on him being a Brave “to just accept it”. Well guess what, you can’t treat the face of the franchise like they did. At the very least they should have matched Boston’s offer. If he leaves then…another story.

He didn’t leave for the money! He’s made more money in his lifetime than all of us will probably ever see and he’s not the head of the players union:)

With all of that payroll “space” available, I find it very hard to believe that Frank and Terry couldn’t find 3 million to SPARE, esp. considering who they are for. The face of the franchise.

LIBERTY MEDIA - FACELESS CORPORATION WITHOUT ANY ACCOUNTABILITY - PROBLEM for the ATLANTA BRAVES.

Arthur Blank, please consider putting together an “investment group” and please put in an offer for the Braves when Liberty Media sells them in the near future.

We need local ownership who is close by and personally invested in this team.

One last thing…Chipper Jones better not be traded. Infact, they better offer Chipper a 3 year deal before the season starts and make sure he stays a Brave.

If not, get ready for the mob with torches and pitch forks that will be standing infront of Frank Wren’s front yard!