Hawks

By mike28212

March 1, 2009 8:21 PM | Link to this

nice hustle by josh to get the block on james then get back down the floor for the put back

By Blast

March 1, 2009 8:22 PM | Link to this

Time to shine indeed. Hawks on the big stage. Lets see how they do!

Josh Smith! 2 great plays in a row!

By ray

March 1, 2009 8:30 PM | Link to this

Interesting comments by the ESPN commentators.

After watching an insane block, a sick follow-up dunk, a turnover, then a great assist to Bibby for the 3-point play, the commentators talk about how Josh Smith has been in the league for 5 years, but has never had a veteran playing in front of him to teach or show him anything (or come in while he gets set down on the bench to learn and cool his heels).

They also said that for this team to take it to the next level, Josh has to play at a higher level than he is now….

By Blast

March 1, 2009 8:31 PM | Link to this

As I posted earlier, this game could really propel the Hawks further if thay can take it. It’s their home floor, on national tv, the stars are abound, Cleveland is playing great, but the Hawks are hanging in there. They take this game, and their profile rises, as Sekou said, and maybe go on a winning streak. They lose, oh well… at least lose decent.

By Rollins Tree

March 1, 2009 8:35 PM | Link to this

Whats happened to Joe Johnson? He plays with no emotion now. We need him!!

By Melvin

March 1, 2009 8:44 PM | Link to this

Whom ever the Lady analyst for ESPN is doing a good job calling the game.

By richbrave

March 1, 2009 8:46 PM | Link to this

Watch out for the ‘CRAB” dribble.

By Blast

March 1, 2009 8:55 PM | Link to this

Josh Smith!

By Melvin

March 1, 2009 8:55 PM | Link to this

JSmash right down the lane… Send it home big fella…

By mississippi

March 1, 2009 8:56 PM | Link to this

The hawks are fighting tough through the first quarter and a half. Josh is playing well, but we need Horford to bring some intensity. They’re hanging in there and if some guys get hot we’ve got a shot.

And, as someone said, Doris Burke knows her s**.

By niremetal

March 1, 2009 9:02 PM | Link to this

Anyone else sick of Woody’s idiotic 2-foul rule? Marvin was doing a damn good job on LeBron. At least make him rack up three fouls before you send him to the bench.

By Sekou K. Smith

March 1, 2009 9:02 PM | Link to this

If the Hawks actually make an open shot this thing will get really interesting. And what’s with Christina Milian trying to on her Lil’ Kim look?

As for the basketball, the Cavs are getting some serious love from the crowd and the officials.

Hawks better crank up their energy in here, because they’re not going to be able to feed off the crowd.

By Blast

March 1, 2009 9:04 PM | Link to this

The refs are shafting us again vs Cleveland. That was no jump ball. That was LeBron fouling Josh from behind. And the previous play?

By Melvin

March 1, 2009 9:04 PM | Link to this

And there you have it. Mike Bibby was ask to breakdown Josh Smith game and one of the things he said is that he can shoot the 3…lol

By 404atlhoops

March 1, 2009 9:05 PM | Link to this

The Hawks are playing hard but the Cavs are just better. Their supporting cast is coming through big in this game. The Hawks have no answer for Big Z. Bibby is way off with his shot. Hopefully, he can pick it up in the 2nd half.

By Blast

March 1, 2009 9:07 PM | Link to this

That’s twice now two ESPN analysts have said Al is a power forward, not a center.

By Sekou K. Smith

March 1, 2009 9:08 PM | Link to this

Joe Johnson has to go on the attack for the Hawks to crank this thing up. He’s probing the defense but not attacking. Playing from behind you have to attack.

By Clyde

March 1, 2009 9:09 PM | Link to this

Hold Up!!!

Did little Delonte West just block Al Horford as he was going up for a dunk? Horford ain’t giving us nothing tonight.

By terrell barron

March 1, 2009 9:12 PM | Link to this

Bibby is off. He barely hit the rim on back to back 3’s.

By Reggie

March 1, 2009 9:14 PM | Link to this

You think the refs like Lebron James in this one, or the entire team. We won’t win this game. The refs won’t give us a chance to get a run. Almost every O rebound for the Cavs has been an over the back. Oh nice there’s a phantom call with .1 on the clock. Absolutely ridiculous. I could care less that he misses both cause if they keep getting these calls we will have no chance.

By Sekou K. Smith

March 1, 2009 9:15 PM | Link to this

Bill Simmons was right, NBA officials are as bad as they’ve ever been right now.

By Melvin

March 1, 2009 9:16 PM | Link to this

Those ain’t refs out there, those are Lebron Lovers…

By David Stern

March 1, 2009 9:17 PM | Link to this

Fair referees? Not in this league!

Suckers.

By Macaroni Tony

March 1, 2009 9:17 PM | Link to this

we are out numbered in this game, we need mw back. but the calles that lj is getting is all bull…

By Blast

March 1, 2009 9:17 PM | Link to this

Refs straight up killing us, man. That was no foul on LeBron from Josh!. Yeah, Bron missed the free throws, but Josh has another foul! Refs, Please call it straight! Let the best team win!

By ray

March 1, 2009 9:21 PM | Link to this

Uggh, here we go with this again…

By Da Real Real

March 1, 2009 9:21 PM | Link to this

Wish I was at the game tonight. Good to see the guys competing…I think the thing that hurt the Hawks was the two quick fouls Marvin picked up early in the 2nd quarter. I think the difference here is that you see a team in Cleveland who doesn’t have to rely on their star to get points and that the supporting cast can score the ball - its a plus when Lebron goes off on somebody. Lucky he didn’t go for 20+ tonight or we’d be done more than 10.

For our Hawks we have to not only depend on JJ and Bibby’s scoring we also have to get good support. We typically have to have JJ or Bibby going off along with good support to win games whereas when both of them are off our chances of winning a game is not good. We’re not getting anything from JJ, Bibby, or Flip…the bench…come to think of it how are we even down by 10 right now??? Hopefully Josh can keep it going, and Marvin can keep it going when he gets back on the floor and then we need JJ or Bibby to step up and we need the bench too if we’re going to win this game. I don’t think it will be Bibby because he still isn’t looking well so JJ…get back to attacking so can win this thing.

By Melvin

March 1, 2009 9:22 PM | Link to this

Clyde, What game are you watching???? Horford has 8pts,4rebs and 1 block in the 1st half.

Sean Williams had 4pts,6rebs and 3 blocks for the entire game today……

By Live From The Game

March 1, 2009 9:25 PM | Link to this

Can I get Acie and Mario in the game????  Damn !!

Hawks have no life once again!!!! House is packed!!!! We need a damn spark. Flip and Mo just ain’t bringin it. We need somethingggg. Can a nikkua get a table dance?????

By JJ

March 1, 2009 9:25 PM | Link to this

Referees are deciding this one. Chalk it up as a hard luck loss for the Hawks. Thanks Mr Stern.

By Macaroni Tony

March 1, 2009 9:26 PM | Link to this

the nba is a joke, because they protect the one’s that they want to love, if that was jj we would have been in half time by now. and the commentators are one-sided also…

By devon

March 1, 2009 9:27 PM | Link to this

this is the worst example of “officiating” that I’ve seen all year long…

Just go ahead and give LeBron 60 points, the refs want a show, no matter how illegitimate it makes them look.

these guys get paid to be this bad?

By Macaroni Tony

March 1, 2009 9:28 PM | Link to this

i wish clyde would find a different blog, that’s some of the negative energy around here.

By Blast

March 1, 2009 9:29 PM | Link to this

Pistons have won two road games in a row without Iverson. Vs Magic AND Celtics. Is this a resurgence with Hamilton back in the starting line up? Does it mean they are better without AI? Will AI accept coming off the bench? Can Pistons overtake Heat for the 5th seed? Can Hawks maintain their 4th seed? Can Philly really challenge for top five in the East? Lots of intrigue and drama in the NBA this season. This is fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By ray

March 1, 2009 9:31 PM | Link to this

I seem to remember a young, energetic pg who the Cavs couldn’t stop last time. And he seemed to give a better defensive effort against the Cavs’ guards. I wonder if he’ll get to play any tonight, what with Bibby not being himself by a long stretch…

By doc

March 1, 2009 9:32 PM | Link to this

not yet!

By KevinA

March 1, 2009 9:32 PM | Link to this

We need to make this ugly. Drive and take it to them. Maybe we need to play a third big to help with the rebounds. Bibby is not quite back yet. Play Flip.

By ray

March 1, 2009 9:33 PM | Link to this

We have to dig deeper for this one. Clamp down harder on defense, go for all loose balls, don’t worry about the bogus foul calls that the refs give Lebron.

And we need better contributions from everybody. Josh is playing like he’s on a mission.

By keen observer

March 1, 2009 9:33 PM | Link to this

Hawks down only 10 is ok, they will make a run, Doris Burke is ok analyst …

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 1, 2009 9:36 PM | Link to this

To me, its obvious we need to get up and run.

By MAC-TOWN

March 1, 2009 9:37 PM | Link to this

I hope we can turn it around in the second half

but let me tell you guys a scary tend I’ve noticed

Last year after some how building healthy leads over the teams behind us….in the 2nd half of the season i caught myself asking these questions alot

“Dang, can we beat anyone better than us on the road? “Dang, can we come back and win against anybody better than us?” “Dang, can we beat anyone better (record wise) than us, period?”

noticing this really bothered me….because I could look at the scoreboard every night and see various average/below average teams getting big wins over juggernauts teams but not us…..

before I knew it…those teams behind us were breathing down our necks and we almost missed out on the playoffs.

I’m starting to get that same feeling again!!!

By niremetal

March 1, 2009 9:38 PM | Link to this

Clyde, you’re a joke. Seriously. Just stop.

By MAC-TOWN

March 1, 2009 9:40 PM | Link to this

….and then a stereoptypical 3rd quarter let down

By jake

March 1, 2009 9:41 PM | Link to this

all jump shots…we not really gettin any calls but they can”t stop going to the basket.

By MAC-TOWN

March 1, 2009 9:41 PM | Link to this

….and then a stereotypical 3rd quarter let down

By 404atlhoops

March 1, 2009 9:41 PM | Link to this

This doesn’t look good. Hawks come out flat and ice cold in the third. If they don’t get it together quick, the game could get ugly.

By Blast

March 1, 2009 9:41 PM | Link to this

The dreaded 3rd quarter. Hawks down 13 on national tv.

By Da Real Real

March 1, 2009 9:42 PM | Link to this

Bibby still doesn’t look like he’s 100% to me….We could definitely use both Acie and Solo tonight…

By niremetal

March 1, 2009 9:45 PM | Link to this

It’s amazing. LeBron drops his shoulder and uses it to push Marvin off. For most guys, the refs will call that an offensive foul. But of course King James is untouchable…

By JJ

March 1, 2009 9:51 PM | Link to this

Can someone please tell me why I am having to listen to Doris Burk call this game? Better yet, why is it that she doesn’t understand the principle of verticality?

By Blast

March 1, 2009 9:53 PM | Link to this

That was a 2 by LeBron to end the third, not a 3. He stepped on the line.

By doc

March 1, 2009 9:53 PM | Link to this

well, that was jj’s second blocked shot in the last THIRTY games. unfortunately almost as few steals to go along with it.

By Manassas

March 1, 2009 9:54 PM | Link to this

Whom ever the Lady analyst for ESPN is is a filthy w******* with a rancid vagina.

By Sekou K. Smith

March 1, 2009 9:55 PM | Link to this

I like the fight the Hawks are showing tonight. Not backing down an inch. Now they need to really turn the heat up and make the Cavs sweat a little bit before LeBron starts cooking.

By Sekou K. Smith

March 1, 2009 10:00 PM | Link to this

Hawks down 13 and come all the way back. Not bad.

By doc

March 1, 2009 10:01 PM | Link to this

cool we have battled back to lead going into the fourth. go hawks!

By JJ

March 1, 2009 10:01 PM | Link to this

Great comeback. The defense really picked it up in the latter half of that quarter. Which of course made the offense much more fluid (as it usually does.)

By ray

March 1, 2009 10:02 PM | Link to this

Doris Burke says that Mike Woodson says he wished he had 11 Joe Johnsons…..while I feel that this is an insult to the rest of the team, Sautee says, “Now why would he want that? At least 4 of them would be wasted, as Woody would only play 7 of them!”

Hee hee hee hee….

By Blast

March 1, 2009 10:02 PM | Link to this

Flip didn’t make the three point play, but what a move! Nice to see Joe getting some love from ESPN. 2nd in the league in minutes played, though, that can’t be good.

By Da Real Real

March 1, 2009 10:04 PM | Link to this

Good come back now all we need to do is continue to bring that effort! JJ and Flip did exactly what they had to do and Marv is playing some pretty good D, on James……on another note…I actually think that Doris Burk is doing a pretty good job….I love Nique’ - the player - but Nique’ the color commentator needs to take a couple of lessons from Burk.

By Macaroni Tony

March 1, 2009 10:05 PM | Link to this

flip, flip we need to keep this energy up.

By mississippi

March 1, 2009 10:06 PM | Link to this

go hawks! What a great third quarter run. The D stepped up now we have to finish it off.

By ray

March 1, 2009 10:06 PM | Link to this

Mike Brown needs to shut the F up. His team is only just now being held accountable for the fouls they’ve been committing all night. What is it about bald coaches?

The refs suck!

By niremetal

March 1, 2009 10:10 PM | Link to this

Anyone who calls Zaza soft is just a Euro-stereotyping fool. He loves to mix it up. If anything, his weakness is that he sometimes forgets that there’s more to good defense than just playing physical.

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 1, 2009 10:10 PM | Link to this

ZAZA is a beast.

And Doris Burke is pretty good I think, except that IM A WITNESS nonsense.

By ray

March 1, 2009 10:12 PM | Link to this

Given the way these guys are shooting free throws, you could say Fire Mark Price. But since the trend around here is to give a guy 5 years of not winning, then Mark has 4 more left.

Who knows, maybe the team free throw percentage will go up a few percentage points every year, and then we can say “See, they’re making progress because of him!”

By doc

March 1, 2009 10:13 PM | Link to this

yeah ray i wonder if he would go to a ten man rotation if he had 10 jj’s.

By NBA Referees Union

March 1, 2009 10:13 PM | Link to this

MBAF??

By 404atlhoops

March 1, 2009 10:14 PM | Link to this

The Hawks are playing tough and hanging in there. The defense is much beter this half as they are contesting all of the Cavs shots.

By Blast

March 1, 2009 10:14 PM | Link to this

It’s getting heated up! Hawks by 2, LeBron shooting free throws in the 4th. I would be the happiest man in the world if the Hawks can pull this out!

By Da Real Real

March 1, 2009 10:17 PM | Link to this

LOL Now that was funny Ray

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 1, 2009 10:17 PM | Link to this

ZaZa is a beast.

By the way, ESPN’s Doris Burke not bad, though she should drop all the “IM A WITNESS” crap.

By Melvin

March 1, 2009 10:18 PM | Link to this

Joe Smash where have you been…. Way to step it up…

By TJ

March 1, 2009 10:20 PM | Link to this

OMG, did Joe just dunk?!

By Ooh, Smelly!

March 1, 2009 10:21 PM | Link to this

I’M A WITNESS to Doris Burke’s smelly vag.

By Blast

March 1, 2009 10:21 PM | Link to this

Hawks are balling!!!!!!

By KKIng

March 1, 2009 10:22 PM | Link to this

Hawks keep doing ur thing. this is truely a statement game. right now there makin that statement and the Hawks r a team to think of…..KEEP DOING IT BIG!!!

By ray

March 1, 2009 10:24 PM | Link to this

JJ is starting to really play well. This is good.

Flip is tired. Why? Because Woody won’t play anybody but him and Bibby…

By JJ

March 1, 2009 10:25 PM | Link to this

Ronald Murray is an cold blooded assassin (in a good way.)

By JJ

March 1, 2009 10:27 PM | Link to this

It will be a miracle if the Hawks win this game missing this many free throws. Somebody, anybody…. hit 2 of 2 please.

By ray

March 1, 2009 10:29 PM | Link to this

I’m about sick of Flopzilla. That call was bullsh!t.

Now where is Josh?

By Sekou K. Smith

March 1, 2009 10:31 PM | Link to this

I don’t know about leaving Josh Smith out all this time. About two minutes ago would have been a nice time to stick him back in the mix. Now, you’re almost too late with 3:31 left.

By Da Real Real

March 1, 2009 10:34 PM | Link to this

Where is Josh??? Did I miss something? Did he get injured or something?

By Macaroni Tony

March 1, 2009 10:35 PM | Link to this

why do both sites have us at 86 but the tv has us at 84

By JJ

March 1, 2009 10:35 PM | Link to this

Varajeo is the biggest flopper since Bill Laimbeer.

By Melvin

March 1, 2009 10:39 PM | Link to this

Where did Joe get these new found hops from….

By ray

March 1, 2009 10:40 PM | Link to this

Offensive rebounds….crap….

Where is Josh Smith?

By Ben

March 1, 2009 10:40 PM | Link to this

Josh sucks that is why he isn’t playing!!! Woody is finally sick of his boneheaded plays and stupid jumpers.

By niremetal

March 1, 2009 10:40 PM | Link to this

Flip misses an out of rhythm shot. And Zaza is having a great night, but I dunno about leaving him in over Smoove, unless Smoove got shaken up…

By Melvin

March 1, 2009 10:45 PM | Link to this

The Lebron Lovers stole this game from us….

By Smelly Taint

March 1, 2009 10:46 PM | Link to this

Great defense, you pu$$ies!

And Doris’s vag does smell like a$$!

By doc

March 1, 2009 10:47 PM | Link to this

oh well some day jj is going to hit that type of shot.

By ES

March 1, 2009 10:47 PM | Link to this

What a joke of officiating…once again, another NBA Game decided by horrendous last second officiating to decide the game. The NBA: where stars get all the calls.

By JJ

March 1, 2009 10:47 PM | Link to this

What a fraud. This game was fixed from the start.

By niremetal

March 1, 2009 10:47 PM | Link to this

Free throws, folks…free throws…

By Fred

March 1, 2009 10:48 PM | Link to this

How can “Woody” possibly explain not making sure the Hawks got a 2 for 1 with 40 seconds to go.

That dumb a$$ has to be the dumbest coach EVER. I think Smith’s & Woody’s combined IQ is about 74.

40 seconds left and the ball in the offensive zone and you take a shot with 25 secods left.

YOU GUYS ARE PATHETIC - you have the talent, but are dead between the ears.

P.S. - Practice your free throws DUMMY!!!

By Blast

March 1, 2009 10:48 PM | Link to this

Bad loss for the Hawks, man. Joe could have made that last shot. I love Cynthia Burks. She calls the game the way it is. No b******. How come the Hawks have to lose on every national tv game?

By Gator-red

March 1, 2009 10:48 PM | Link to this

Refs are terrible!! How do you call that at the end of the game. It wasn’t even a foul!!!!

By Da Real Real

March 1, 2009 10:48 PM | Link to this

Can’t believe the outcome of a game was decided on a phantom Lebron James foul call…oh wait a minute I forgot this was the NBA. Man, two tough national game losses but there’s no way I can complain about this one. My only question is what the heck happen to Josh Smith??? the guy disappeared, I don’t even remember seeing him on the bunch during any the cuts over to the bench.

By Rollins Tree

March 1, 2009 10:48 PM | Link to this

Go ahead loser fans and start your we played good and nice fight comments. Im tired of these “almost” losses!!!!!!!!!!! Our all star is NOT clutch and whatever Mark Price teaches at his free throw clinic…. it doesnt work!!!!!!!1

By Blast

March 1, 2009 10:50 PM | Link to this

How come Josh dind’t play in the 4th quarter?

By keen observer

March 1, 2009 10:51 PM | Link to this

tough loss, JJ had 2 great looks, ‘Bron ‘Bron gets the call at end as do all the greats,

Also, Flip once again proved his versatility and value……and finally for I’m not a Law III hater but he just isn’t good enough…

By Melvin

March 1, 2009 10:51 PM | Link to this

This lost sucks. Our guys compete and the Refs took this game from us. How many fathom fouls did Lebron get… Only in the NBA…

By tyler

March 1, 2009 10:51 PM | Link to this

Typical NBA game, refs play a bigger part in the end than the players do- apparently it is a foul to play defense against James, no way would they have called that the other way. Also- the whistle would’ve blown before JJ had gotten the shot off there if it were James shooting. These guys are terrible.

By ray

March 1, 2009 10:52 PM | Link to this

WTF!!! Why would you go ISO Joe when the entire opposing team knows EXACTLY what you’re going to do??!!! Then use up all the clock and give them the last 24 seconds to score??!!!

And you KNOW that Lebron was going to drive and draw the foul, even if it wasn’t a foul!

Stupid play call by Woody. Bad execution by Joe. Lost game.

And I don’t want to hear about JJ missing that shot at the end.

Woody=still in the running to keep his job, but not with dumb play calls like that.

Other than that, great effort by the Hawks, particularly in the second half. I was proud of them for turning it on and keeping it on.

Time to take it all out on Washington. Don’t sleep on the Wiz, they’re playing fairly well right about now.

Get that win back, we’re only 4 wins away from matching last year’s total and will probably need at least 43 wins to keep the 4th spot, if not 44 or 45.

I know Zaza was playing well, but the move to keep Josh out of the game did not pay dividends.

By champ

March 1, 2009 10:52 PM | Link to this

100% correct Fred.

By 404atlhoops

March 1, 2009 10:54 PM | Link to this

Great effort by the Hawks but I think they let one get away because the Hawks could not close the door on the Cavs. The Hawks lead 87-82 and they fail to score on thier last four possessions. 2 misses by Joe, 1 by Flip and a turnover by Marvin.

By Mark

March 1, 2009 10:54 PM | Link to this

Just like most Atlanta Teams. They find a way to come up short.

By J

March 1, 2009 10:55 PM | Link to this

I dont know about anyone else on here, but I am so angry right now. We were playing the Cavs and the Refs. Its hard to win when the deck is stacked against you. I have not seen a game in a looong time that was this lopsided as far as BS ref calls. I mean, no calls any time the hawks are on offense and bumping around in there, brush bron’s jersey and he’s at the line. Bron hits his head on Varejao so flip gets a foul. Marvin gets called for an Offensive when his arm inadvertently hit a still moving Varejao, who promply continues moving by flopping onto the floor. I know it helps the NBA when the Cavs win, but come on, just judge the game impartially! We all know the NBA has had problems with unreasonable refs before…

By JJ

March 1, 2009 10:55 PM | Link to this

Doris Burk was OK with the exception of the time when she couldn’t believe the fans behind her (and Josh Smith) were complaining about Josh’s foul on Lebron James (I think it was in the 3rd quarter.) She was beside herself that anyone would dare question the fact that Josh went straight up, Lebron moved into his space, and they called a foul on Josh. The rule clearly states that is an offensive foul.

By jt in dallas

March 1, 2009 10:56 PM | Link to this

FIRE WOODY

By ray

March 1, 2009 10:58 PM | Link to this

And there it is: Lebron can go to the hole and get a foul called, no matter what. JJ cannot. Why? Lebron always goes to the hole. JJ doesn’t.

I’m really pi$$ed about that play. Eat up the whole shot clock just to go for a shot that he isn’t going to even get a good look at….

Josh Smith played hard and good out there, he was just the unlucky beneficiary of some superstar foul calls. So Woody leaves him on the bench. Brilliant. We could’ve used another monster dunk in the paint, you moron.

For the record: I hate Anderson Varejao. But I’d sign him in a hot second.

By Mark

March 1, 2009 10:58 PM | Link to this

Sekou the hawks play better without Josh screwing things up with his stupid plays and terrible freethrow shooting. That is why he is out of the game.

First Joe misses freethrows against Boston that may have sent the game to overtime, then he passes up a shot against the Nuggets, now he misses another game winner.

Joe is an allstar, not a superstar.

By Mark

March 1, 2009 11:00 PM | Link to this

I come up short too. In the worst way imaginable. Thats what all the ladies say.

By Blast

March 1, 2009 11:01 PM | Link to this

It’s a shame, man. Hawks had this game in the bag but they let it go. On national tv no less! Refs screwed us, but the Hawks could still have won.

By Old Atl

March 1, 2009 11:02 PM | Link to this

Once again the Hawks find more ways to lose a gamethan to win one. They are a talented team but that’s about it. They make to many costly mistakes for me to consider them an elite team. Joe is good enough to keep a team in the game but not great enough to win the big game. Thank God, that they play in the East, or they wouldn’t even be consider for the playoff. Yall keep your hopes up but this team is far from being ready.

By mike28212

March 1, 2009 11:03 PM | Link to this

should’ve done a better job at the line to keep the refs out of the end of the game. espn obviously knew that wasn’t a foul as they only showed one brief replay.

By Mark

March 1, 2009 11:03 PM | Link to this

Ray shutup about Josh. He sucks ok!

By bigjohnhawksfan

March 1, 2009 11:05 PM | Link to this

FIRE JOE

By ray

March 1, 2009 11:05 PM | Link to this

Also, Flip once again proved his versatility and value……and finally for I’m not a Law III hater but he just isn’t good enough…

It’s IV, not III, and he didn’t even play. Last time against the Cavs he scored 20 with 6 boards and 7 assists. Yeah, we didn’t need that at all. After all, we had a still-sick Bibby for 9 points and 2 assists.

I would’ve kept the man out or played him less. We have to play Washington tomorrow night for crying out loud.

Woody must’ve watched “Lonesome Dove” one time too many. “You’re my horse if you never win a race…”

He’s gonna ride these horses right to the freakin’ glue factory.

By dillpickle

March 1, 2009 11:06 PM | Link to this

JOE CHOKED!!!

By keen observer

March 1, 2009 11:08 PM | Link to this

I believe Woddy did a good job with 40 seconds left…he went 3 guards, ran a play that got JJ a good look in the lane, don’t forget the priority here is a basket regardless of the clock, 2 for 1 is secondary here….also got JJ a good look with 1.6 left…

By hawkfan

March 1, 2009 11:09 PM | Link to this

don’t blame this on joe, without him tonight we wouldn’t even been close in the game and it would have been another blowout, he did all he could do to get the win, yea i dont like these close losses, especially losing by one point again in less than a week on espn that never shows us, but at least we played better as a whole tonight, it felt like the playoffs again

By Mark

March 1, 2009 11:09 PM | Link to this

I really don’t like Josh. He used to take my lunch money in high school.

By Mark

March 1, 2009 11:11 PM | Link to this

Josh banged my sister too. I hate him.

By Reggie

March 1, 2009 11:12 PM | Link to this

Rollins Tree Please just go away. Mark Oh man that was a great one. You act like that was our season on the line. Well I knew Lebron would drive and get fouled there on that last possession. They have to protect their favorite player from getting a little upset. They also can’t call a travel on him when he does his “crab walk” 3 step move. JJ played well and showed some fire. I think he got 3 times more contact on his hook shot than Lebron did on the foul. Joe’s last second shot was a really tough one considering he had to catch and shoot while fading away to his left side for the win. Lebron, Kobe, or Wade maybe make that shot 2 out of 10 times. We played very well except for one quarter. That quarter was when Marvin was out and wasn’t guarding LBJ. Mo Williams is an absolute punk and I really wanted to go and knock him out during that game. He is probably 2 times more cocky and arrogant than LBJ. I have zero respect for him. I remember during the all star break when he guaranteed a win in the skills comp. and trotted around the court to get eliminated in the first round. I think J-Smoove might have got shaken up or something because I didn’t even see him on the bench in the 4th. Correct me if I’m wrong but I think he might have went to the locker room. Either way I think Zaza did a better job than JS would have done. He got a lot of big boards for us. The hawks should win the next three. If we would just come with intensity just a little it would show a difference. Tough game but the Hawks really showed a lot tonight and win the game if the refs called it fairly. Mike Brown is a jerk. Hawks on national television this year= 3 games, 3 losses by a combined 6 points.

By smalldick

March 1, 2009 11:12 PM | Link to this

Transplants sure do love Atlanta. Maybe you failures should move back to your hometowns that you love so much. Oh wait, Cleveland, NYC, Detroit, Miami, Philly, and LA are all cesspools, so let’s stay in Atlanta and cheer for our “home” teams like çunts.

By ray

March 1, 2009 11:15 PM | Link to this

Mark,

I realize you’re disappointed that you couldn’t pin this loss on Josh (since he wasn’t in the game towards the end). So you picked JJ instead. You’re so brilliant.

By rms

March 1, 2009 11:15 PM | Link to this

That was a nice designed play by the Hawks to end the game. Joe has got to hit that shot, which is why he is an all-star not a superstar! Would have been nice to see them run that play for Marvin or even Flip just to keep the opposing team off guard. We lost that game not because of the coach but we missed free throws. I dont think nobody hit 2 straight free throws all game. Free throws man, ya’ll killing yourselves, missing free throws

By Reggie

March 1, 2009 11:15 PM | Link to this

Mark You’re an idiot.

By Mark

March 1, 2009 11:16 PM | Link to this

Whoever is using my name is lame, but it’s funny!

By cp

March 1, 2009 11:17 PM | Link to this

Tough loss. You get the ball into your best players hand and he had a wide open shot. He missed it but you got the shot you wanted. I’m not going to even comment on the iso iso iso crap we pull every game although everybody knows its coming. We better get it together because Detroit is playing better without A.I. and Miami wont go away.

By jerrywest

March 1, 2009 11:18 PM | Link to this

why didn’t we go 2 for 1? We had a chance but they were predetermined for 1 shot

By j

March 1, 2009 11:23 PM | Link to this

Hello, “Fred”, you are a stupid, malcontent douche. You and your Trollmate Rollins Tree need to get a life.

By Reggie

March 1, 2009 11:24 PM | Link to this

jerrywest I’m really not sure if Woody told Joe to run the clock out or if Joe was unaware of the time left on the clock. I’m leaning towards Woody though. Joe is usually a very smart player on the court and pretty aware.

By kwooden1

March 1, 2009 11:24 PM | Link to this

Finally got to watch a HAWKS game again, NOW I JUST FEEL SICK!!

Joe got fouled on his drive doesn’t get any call and Lebron goes to line on a similar play. Joe drives and gets hammered but luckily Marvin gets the ball and makes a three. Anyways, the problem with the HAWKS is clearly style of play. They need to have their forwards push the ball on rebounds and for the guards to always attack if they rebound. They walk the ball up to much and run to many ISO plays with no screening away from the ball. I’m going to be steamed all night about this loss.

By the way Woodson left JS out because he needed Zaza and Horford for rebounding. It’s another example of his in-game confusion and not having a system that utilizes his players strengths. Woodson had to leave JS on bench because JS can’t shoot free-throws right now and isn’t a banger. If JS is in the game at the PF position he needs to be strongly encouraged to rebound and run. Woodson doesn’t do that or is unable to communicate this after 4 years. I know all of you say JSmoove is OC, but I don’t care! If they push the ball as a team they can take the next step, that happens if all 5 guys push the ball. They are one of a few teams that can do it, the Jazz being another example. (Jazz obviously don’t need to because they have a coach with an offense) Style is the key to getting better, but its not going to happen with Woodson so I’m just going to have to enjoy the ride, even though it’s really going to be bumpy!

PS: Good job with the minutes Woodson, JJ was much fresher in the 4th.

GO HAWKS!!!!

By ray

March 1, 2009 11:25 PM | Link to this

Okay Mark,

You’re just strange. Yeah, whatever you’re writing is certainly lame, and “lame” seems to be your favorite word whenever you come up against something you either don’t like or can’t argue with.

Something tells me we’ve found Casey’s younger brother or something…

Oh wait, I guess that was lame too, huh? Sheeesh…kids…

By new jersey faithful

March 1, 2009 11:25 PM | Link to this

Same old crappy Hawks! How do they blow this game???? The NBA is the worst league ever!!!

By Buffalo Braves

March 1, 2009 11:26 PM | Link to this

Joe is NOT a go-to guy!

By keen observer

March 1, 2009 11:26 PM | Link to this

hey ray, Law IV scored 20 against the Cavs when the Hawks lost by 14, when the Hawks beat them he had a dnp…if you want to see him play when his contract is up you’ll have to got to Europe…

By Clyde

March 1, 2009 11:30 PM | Link to this

How many times will the Hawks come up short against the elite teams in the East?

Its getting old.

And Sean Willams only played 17 minutes last night.

FIRE WOODY

By Fred

March 1, 2009 11:32 PM | Link to this

keenobserver - you are a moron (are you related to Woody by any chance?).

Only a complete fool would question not going for a 2 for 1. If you don’t have a set play to run to get a shot off within 10 seconds when inbounding in the offensive zone - then you have NO RIGHT CALLING YOUR SELF A HEAD COACH IN THE NBA. PERIOD.

By Steve Belkin

March 1, 2009 11:36 PM | Link to this

Don’t worry, Hawks fans. Things will be different in Blueland, I mean the The Highlight Factory in a few weeks…

Suckers.

By Fred

March 1, 2009 11:36 PM | Link to this

hey “j” - please explain how questioning Woody & Josh’s intelligence, asking why we don’t get 2 shots in 40 seconds and stating they need to work on their free throws makes me a “stupid, malcontent douche”?

I mean really - you are the one that comes off sounding like a complete dlck brain!

By Reggie

March 1, 2009 11:39 PM | Link to this

Fred what’s sad is that we had more like 16 seconds to get a shot off.

By niremetal

March 1, 2009 11:41 PM | Link to this

And lest I forget, remember this from November?

Also, Marvin played outstanding D tonight on LeBron. He’s the one guy I’m not a little disappointed in. He didn’t give an inch, and that kept us alive. Anyone else notice that LeBron went on his only tear of the game in the 2nd while Marvin was on the bench? He played a man’s game tonight.

By keen observer

March 1, 2009 11:41 PM | Link to this

Fred…is the ball blown or stuffed? First priority is to score, second is two for one, basic basketball…if JJ scores at 25 second mark Hawks win…

By I wuz there

March 1, 2009 11:42 PM | Link to this

I’m with Fred on this one. The difference between a 2 for 1 and not is letting the other team control their own destiny. When you know King James will get the foul call - it’s stupid to allow him to do exactly what he did - draw the foul and leave virtually no time on the clock. Poor coaching.

By HawksFan

March 1, 2009 11:44 PM | Link to this

Sekou, Why was Josh sitting the entire 4th quarter?

By HawksFan

March 1, 2009 11:45 PM | Link to this

Sekou, Why was Josh sitting the entire 4th quarter?

By HawksFan

March 1, 2009 11:45 PM | Link to this

Sekou, Why was Josh sitting the entire 4th quarter?

By Fred

March 1, 2009 11:46 PM | Link to this

Reggie - exactly. Any designed shot taken in under 16 seconds when inbounding the ball at the offensive time like is time we have coming back after the foul. And it just sucks worse that we get an open inbounds pass to JJ, who, if he has another 2-3 seconds, could have dribbled in for an relatively easy 10 footer.

I guess there is a good reason Woody is one of if not THE lowest paid coaches in the NBA. You get what you pay for!

By keen observer

March 1, 2009 11:49 PM | Link to this

hey Fred…one more thing…”inbounding the ball in the offensive zone”….what sport are you watching? It’s called the “front court”…..take a bball 101 review course before you post again please…

By SQUAWKER

March 1, 2009 11:51 PM | Link to this

FIRE WOODY

nuff said

By Fred

March 1, 2009 11:51 PM | Link to this

keenobserver - you are missing the point. I agree the first priority is to score, but when you draw up a play that takes the whole time - that is just plain ignorant.

You draw up a play to score within 10 seconds. If that option isn’t available, THEN AND ONLY THEN do you not worry about scoring quickly.

However, it was obvious that the drawn up play was to get it to JJ, dribble for 10 seconds, then iso drive to the hole and toss up an off balance 12 footer with 2 guys all over you.

Something tells me they could have gotten off an equally hard shot in 10 seconds!

By Reggie

March 1, 2009 11:52 PM | Link to this

keenobserver You’re contradicting yourself. You said the first objective is to score. Exactly! So shy would you wait to bring it in at the shot clock buzzer and have only one chance to have an offensive move instead of actually at least trying to score from the start. Doing what the Hawks did was absolutely stupid. Just like your points so far tonight.

Iwuzthere You are exactly right about Marvin, I mentioned that earlier about LBJ only going off when Marvin was out of the game.

By Bill

March 1, 2009 11:53 PM | Link to this

Looks like it’s pointless to ask Sejou anything else tonight - it’s been an hour and a half since his last post.

Figures, just like the team he covers - he doesn’t finish what he starts!

By Fred

March 1, 2009 11:55 PM | Link to this

keenobserver - Thanks for admitting I won the debate.

If the best you can come up with is that I should have said “front court” instead of the “offensive zone”, you have certainly reached the bottom of the barrel in your areseal of arguments.

By bunions

March 1, 2009 11:55 PM | Link to this

FIRE DAVID STERN

By Reggie

March 1, 2009 11:59 PM | Link to this

Bill Sekou is one of the few guys that actually answers our questions and talks with us. He also is one of the few guys on AJC that doesn’t receive a bunch of hate from the readers. Did you ever realize its midnight and he could be sleeping right now. Seriously.

By O'brien

March 2, 2009 12:00 AM | Link to this

I was not fortunate enough to watch the game, but looking at the box score, the FT percentage jumped out at me. 71%? (although both teams shot poorly from the 3pt line and free throw line).

When we get to the playoffs, the games will be close, and there will be a lot more pressure. If we can’t make free throws consistently during regular season games, will we make them in the playoffs?

I wonder how Mark Price feels…

By ray

March 2, 2009 12:01 AM | Link to this

keen observer,

Your self-proclaimed powers of observations aren’t too impressive. Law was the reason we lost by 14, and not 27.

And you can watch European League games if you have the right sports package.

By ray

March 2, 2009 12:04 AM | Link to this

Fred,

Precisely. Which is why the cheese slipped off my cracker when I saw that play unfold. Gee, we only run that play 24 times a game, every game of the season…

By keen observer

March 2, 2009 12:04 AM | Link to this

look, 2 for 1 stuff is primarily for the first 3 quarters, at the end I don’t care how much time is used….the idea is to take the LEAD and not have players be anxious or rush things…get a good shot/put the ball in your best players hands… once again if JJ scores, Hawks win…that’s a philosophy that most coaches will agree with, enough said…

By Bill

March 2, 2009 12:06 AM | Link to this

Reggie - you make a good point, except, being a journalism major - I know one of the first things you are supposed to do is to “sign off” to your readers.

Additionally, his last post was with 3:31 to play in the game. Something tells me, that’s a little too soon go be leaving for the night.

By Mark

March 2, 2009 12:06 AM | Link to this

Mom says I have to stop posting for the night. I have school in the morning. Who put red pepper in my lotion bottle. Now my wiener hurts. I think I have a rash.

By keen observer

March 2, 2009 12:08 AM | Link to this

fred…my point is if you don’t know basic terminology how can you have an intelligent discussion regarding philosophy and strategy???

By ray

March 2, 2009 12:10 AM | Link to this

The officiating really did suck tonight….Oh well, on to Washington.

By Fred

March 2, 2009 12:11 AM | Link to this

keen observer - 2 for 1 is something for the first 3 quarters??? Are you frigging nuts???

A 2 for 1 is for the last minute of EVERY quarter you nimrod.

You best go to bed - it’s obvious (and looking at the posts, most agree with me) your sleep medication is kicking in.

Also - I agree with Bill on Sekou - he should have at least given a heads up that he was done for the evening. I’m sure he isn’t in bed, but if he travels with the team, he might be trying to get up to DC.

By Reggie

March 2, 2009 12:11 AM | Link to this

keen observer The point is that we didn’t get a good shot put up. We didn’t have to rush to get the 2 and 1. We still make Cleveland have a shot clock on their last possession but the difference was about 1 second. If we ran an offense their than we could have gotten a better shot than we did at the the SC buzzer. We didn’t even have to rush to do it.

By keen observer

March 2, 2009 12:12 AM | Link to this

the point freeeeeeed…is that i’m trying to drag the conversation away from your obviously valid point and make fun of your terminology so i will feel better and maybe i won’t look as dumb as i seem. or maybe not.

By keen observer

March 2, 2009 12:17 AM | Link to this

fred i really don’t know anything about filosofy or stragedy. im just trying to talk the good game so that i look somewhat smart. what i don’t realize is that you can misspell words and look like you don’t know what you’re talking about.

By Fred

March 2, 2009 12:17 AM | Link to this

keen observer - What I’d like to know Mr. “First 3 quarters strategy man” is why are you trying to hammer home a point where anybody with a brain would know what “offensive zone” means?

Until you can justify your complete dumba$$ statement of a 2 for 1 being a first 3 quarters consideration - I’m certainly not going to waste any more time on explaining what “offensive zone” means. BTW - since you translated it to “front court” - you obviously knew exactly what I was speaking of - so once again, you are only coming off sounding dumber by the minute trying to correct someone that make a clear point even without using “proper terminology”.

Go to bed loser - your points are getting further and further away from anywhere someone with rational thoughts would try to go.

By keen observer

March 2, 2009 12:19 AM | Link to this

but listen to what im saying. 2 for 1 is not something you use on the basketball court. you only use that in the grocery store or maybe on sale at jcpenny’s. don’t you know anything, all nba coaches know that.

By Fred

March 2, 2009 12:19 AM | Link to this

keen observer -

Fair enough - truce!

I’ll brush up on my terminology and Woody still sucks as a coach!

Good night to all!

By keen observer

March 2, 2009 12:20 AM | Link to this

by the way, i coach the little girls league because they won’t let me near the little boys anymore. i don’t know why. that’s where i get all my basketball knowledge.

By keen observer

March 2, 2009 12:21 AM | Link to this

im not a nimrod fred. maybe a numbrod. i can’t get it to work sometimes.

By Reggie

March 2, 2009 12:25 AM | Link to this

*Bill That is true, I didn’t realize his last post was that long ago. I’m not going to nag him though because he is one of the only journalists on here that usually makes sense and connects with the readers. He probably just had a long night in the snow though.

By Mark

March 2, 2009 12:27 AM | Link to this

Reggie, Ray honest question.

Do you think the Hawks with this present team, could ever win it all?

If so why?

By Reggie

March 2, 2009 12:35 AM | Link to this

Mark The Hawks could win it all with this present team. Not this year but in about 2 years and also without Woody. If this same group matured without any loses for about 2 years and also signing a solid coach than we would be a top notch team. May I ask why you ask me and Ray?

By ray

March 2, 2009 12:46 AM | Link to this

Mark,

Okay, which one of you am I talking to? Seriously, the answer to that question is NO. And for the record Mark, as much as I like Smith and what he can do, I can’t argue with any trade that makes us better. I’m a Hawks fan first, foremost, and always, not a “Smith lover.” I see a ton of potential in him, but I really, honestly do not know if he will reach it.

But none of that matters if we cannot win it all. And we are going to have to make some moves to get to that point. If trading him somehow makes us better, then I’m all for it. And that may happen this very summer, though I don’t know if we’ll be better for it. We’ll see.

By Mark

March 2, 2009 12:48 AM | Link to this

So you think a new coach is all we need?

Should we make any changes as far as the players are concerned?

The reason why I chose you and Ray is because you all are the biggest fans on the blog.

By ray

March 2, 2009 12:53 AM | Link to this

Reggie,

Hate to disagree, but then I saw your caveat about Woody. Honestly, I think we have some tough choices ahead of us. I think we need more contribution from our bench, as well. This team is a good team. But we are at our best when we are fighting and scrapping on every play, when guys are not tired from playing 40+ minutes, and when we run. Yes, I think we could benefit from better coaching. We need to run 9 or 10 deep.

I could be wrong, we could have everything we need on this roster (though I don’t see it that way). Of course, we’ll never know that if things keep on the way they do now. Who’s the backup big that play center for us for 25 minutes a night? A guy that can shut down the lane and hold his own consistently against other centers? Zaza? No. Solo? No. Morris? Never will know. Who’s our backup pg? The same guy who’s the backup sg. See, that’s silly.

Is our frontline capable of matching up consistently with Boston’s? Orlando’s? How about the Lakers? The Blazers? Utah? San Antonio? These are the types of teams we’re talking about beating if we’re going all the way. I think we need some tweaking. There are some things that a coach can’t fix.

By Mark

March 2, 2009 12:54 AM | Link to this

This is the Mark that gives you a hard time about Josh.

Who would you move in order to make this team better?

By Da Real Real

March 2, 2009 12:59 AM | Link to this

Reggie I think I agree with you. I don’t think this present team could win it all right now A couple of years possibly so…I think, when you look at our team and you look at teams in the east ahead of the Hawks I would say that the Hawks are missing two pieces and its the same two pieces that all of us talk about all the time….a true center and a coach to lead us there. I couldn’t help but think a couple of times how a true center would have matched up against Big Z tonight because he got a couple of easy ones early that helped the Cavs. If we had a true center on this team we’d certainly be a major contender and if we a legit coach we’d definitely be able win it all. Just adding one more player and a coach.

By JimmyAS*

March 2, 2009 1:04 AM | Link to this

There is no question that the referees were against the Hawks in some way, shape, or form but they lost because of the same reasons why they lose games we should win….coaching and effort (which may go hand in hand. In the second half Woodson decides to leave Marvin in the game entering the second quarter to later take him out around 8:30 left in game, damn well knowing James was coming in the game a minute later. Well we were down 4 at that point and walked into halftime down 10 (only because of missed free throws before half). Williams played great D on James all night and should have been shadowing him all game, hip to hip.

Thats only one example of many bad coaching errors throughout this game. If its not clear to Rick Sund that we are winning solely because the players are so damn talented that they have no choice but to win games, then he is horribly mistaken. Sund needs to let Woodson go. Thats it. Release the man so we can all move on and see this five-year plan come to fruition. Leaving Smith on the bench for that long in the 4th is inexcusable. If you dont trust him at the end of the game, then put him in earlier and maybe he will spark the beginning of the fourth. Put him next to AC Law is just an insult. I love AC Law and think that he could become a great point guard that could facilitate this offense and provide some attack to the paint with his quick step and release. Let him mold to the likes of WIlliams and Smith and Horford by making plays and feeling that rush from the crowd putting that enthusiasm back in the game for him. Law just needs a coach to let the electric collar off him, he is hungry enough now, let him eat…..

Why not run a play like this as your game winning play??? Close your eyes and try, I mean really try, to envision this………Same play as this one with 1.7 left, Horford sets the screen Johnson gets open, but doesnt receive the ball?!?!!!!! Horford peels off receives the ball under the rim and dunks it right on Varejao’s assets and steps on his hair while kissing his bicep and blowing it to Ciara. Oh snap. Game winner we go home happy…….not bad eh?

Cant take it anymore…done with Woodson win or lose

By Mark

March 2, 2009 1:04 AM | Link to this

I would have to agree with Ray on this one Reggie because I just can’t see this team as presently constructed winning now or in the next few years. I get so mad at Josh because, although he is young, I think that his problem is more mental than physical. I remember when we drafted Josh and Jay Bilas wasn’t sure why we picked him. If you honestly look at Josh’s game, it seems as if it hasn’t evolved much over the past five years.

I hate the fact that Marvin will never be much more than he is. He is very passive and although he takes the ball to the lane a littler more aggressive, he still isn’t a good finisher.

By Reggie

March 2, 2009 1:05 AM | Link to this

Mark and Ray Mark you asked with this present team. Now I do think with the players we have that if they develop well then we could make a run for a title. Now note that i said could. I do agree that we could make many additions for our bench. We could get a true backup PG. Also we could get another C. Although Zaza has been playing great. We could do many things to improve this team. Our starters as of right now are very solid though. I do think we would benefit if we traded JS/MW for a C so Al could play his true PF position and they still have Zaza at backup. We COULD make a run and win a title with this present team but it would be in a few years and I just don’t think Woody would be the one to coach it though. Trust me though I don’t think we should settle for the team we have right now.

By Da Real Real

March 2, 2009 1:05 AM | Link to this

Sorry, I meant to type disagree…but yeah, we definitely need a legit big…if we get that one piece then this team would be scary

By rms

March 2, 2009 1:12 AM | Link to this

come on reg, in a perfect world the Hawks would go get a true center and a coach to take them to the next level. Only then would all the players know their roles on the team and you wont have a PF playing Center and a SG subing for a PG while you backup PG doesnt play at all. We are so backwards when it comes to rotating players. Nice dream reg, it really must be late!!

By tscott625

March 2, 2009 1:14 AM | Link to this

what does everyone think about the hawks picking up drew gooden?

By rms

March 2, 2009 1:15 AM | Link to this

Reg come on now, you cant trade both Josh and Marvin for a Center. Its either one or the other and somebody like AC or Claxton for a Center, maybe even a future draft pick if they are really solid.

By HB Ando

March 2, 2009 1:17 AM | Link to this

Mark, who WOULDN’T you move to make this, or any, team better? That’s the perspective folks need to wrap their heads around. If the goal is winning championships, which has always been my perspective in discussing the Hawks on Sekou’s, and now the Hack’s, blogs, then no one here is untouchable.

The limitations of both the roster and the coach have been beaten to death this season, even when appreciating that this is the best Hawks’ team in a decade (which is more a statement of just how long things have been bad than a matter of reaching the pinnacle of success).

I neither see, nor would really understand, a swell of logical opinions suggesting that this team, with the current roster and head coach, could realistically expect to compete for a championship in the coming years. If that’s a reasonable perspective, then both the players on the team and their head coach are all replaceable, as the fans continue to hold out hope for a legitimate championship contender.

By Mark

March 2, 2009 1:18 AM | Link to this

I just can’t settle for getting to the playoffs every year and losing in first or second round. It is sort of irritating when the GM, Coach, and players goal is to JUST be the fourth seed and hope they win ONE round in the playoffs.

Would you trade Josh and Marvin for Chris Bosh?

By JimmyAS*

March 2, 2009 1:18 AM | Link to this

If I am Sund, I sign Drew Gooden who just hit the market. He wont hurt them much and they could use him for the playoffs….Horford would get some solid run at the 4 and would probably shine at the right time, which is now…..I like it they need a spark.

By Reggie

March 2, 2009 1:23 AM | Link to this

Da Real Real and RMS Real; All of your points are the same as mine. Where do you disagree? Rms; Once again that is what I said. Now in a few years with these present starters if they develop nicely “which would be w/o Woody” than we could make a run for the title. Maybe you aren’t reading well because it’s too late rms.

By Reggie

March 2, 2009 1:25 AM | Link to this

RMS I said Marvin/Josh which meant marvin or josh sorry if that came out wrong.

By Reggie

March 2, 2009 1:29 AM | Link to this

Mark The problem with that would be who would be our SF. Plus we would still have a problem of not having a true center because Bosh still benefits as a PF. Also I don’t think that the money would work out there but I’m not sure. Also I think with the trade of O’Neal that the Raptors might just intend with keep Bosh until the big 2010 free agency year. That trade has too many problems I think for it to work out.

By rms

March 2, 2009 1:30 AM | Link to this

Dang reg, you’re right it is too late! I was just saying dont trade Josh and Marvin for a Center. Trade either or along with Law or Claxton for a Center. I guess I didnt read it right because I thought you were saying trade both Josh and Marvin which would be ridiculous. But you’re right, I am going to bed sinc it is late, luckly I dont have to work tommorow. I had a nap earlier which is why I am still up

By Reggie

March 2, 2009 1:31 AM | Link to this

Drew Gooden is solid. He is a pretty good rebound guy also. He still isn’t a true center though and still couldn’t match up with the BIG bigs.

By Reggie

March 2, 2009 1:43 AM | Link to this

RMS Yeah it would be stupid to trade them both. Yeah it is quite late but I was just messing with you. Yeah most of us have a “SNOW DAY” ha.

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 2, 2009 2:02 AM | Link to this

I just got back home from the game (no, I didn’t have access to the Internet at 9:36, 10:10, and 10:17 PM)…

First of all, tonight’s crowd was maybe one of the worst I’ve ever seen at Philips. I could have had a conversation with someone on the opposite side of the arena if I wanted. A handful of people clapped when LeBron did something, but that’s about it. Even when Josh Smith had his emphatic dunk in the first half there was barely any crowd reaction. Forget about home court advantage — the Hawks might as well have been playing this game in Quicken Loans Arena for most of the game. It got pretty loud in the last two minutes, but until then it was pretty embarrassing. I wonder if the ESPN people pointed this out.

Secondly, I have the same question as everyone else — where the HELL was Josh Smith in the 2nd half? Was he injured? Did he just get benched? If so, why? I thought he was doing a pretty good job in the first half…

I thought the Hawks played outstanding defense all game, and although the officiating was horrible on both sides, they did a pretty good job on LeBron for most of the game, especially in the 2nd half. Offensively it’s the same story — too much iso Joe, too much one on one from the guards, not enough attempts made to involve the forwards in the post. In fact I think one matchup that wasn’t nearly as lopsided as it should have been on paper was Al Horford/Zaza Pachulia vs. Zydrunas Ilgauskas. You would think with his 6 inch height advantage and his smooth stroke from the outside, the Hawks would have had a really hard time stopping Big Z, but both Horford and Pachulia did a pretty good job on him for most of the game.

The final sequence sucked obviously — the Mo Williams 3, which really swung momentum in the Cavs’ favor in the last two minutes, was pretty lucky and really could have gone either way, since it was a bit of an accident that he even got the ball in a position to shoot it. But on the very final Cavs’ possession, if I was Woody I would have fouled LeBron at the top of the key with 15 seconds or so left on the clock. Everyone in the building knew that the Cavs were going to run iso LeBron and that he would drive to the hoop and either score, get fouled, or both. Instead of letting him dictate how much time the Hawks have left, why not send him to the line ahead of time and give Joe Johnson some time of his own to line up his game-winner? I realize it’s probably tough for a coach to put the opponent on the line with the chance to take the lead, but in that situation the odds that LeBron doesn’t either score or get to the line are slim to none, especially when you take the refs into account. Sure, Joe Johnson got an open look at the end of the game that he probably should have knocked down, but you gotta think with 10-15 seconds he could have probably got himself a better look.

At the end of the day though I see this as a good loss. The Hawks played well enough to win this game.

By JM

March 2, 2009 2:24 AM | Link to this

Woody is a damn idiot. Everyone in the building knew JJ was going to have to take the shot with 24 seconds left. The Hawks knew it: they were standing around watching it. The Cavs knew it. 5 guys collapsed on JJ w/o a second thought towards the end of the “play.”

yeah, the officiating sucked, but the guy who said ATL should have fouled LBJ w/ 15 to go is absolutely right. Woody just cannot f-ing teach or react to anything out there. He’s horrible. Horrible.

By Dominique Wilkens

March 2, 2009 2:53 AM | Link to this

To hold the Cavaliers under 90 points, well that’s just good nimbers. Joe Johnson has had good nimbers all year long. Eck-specially at home.

Bob, THAT was a heat check!

Like I said…heat check!

By Patrick

March 2, 2009 3:09 AM | Link to this

I can’t stand watching this team on offense. This is because Mike Woodson is coaching the team.

1) Why the hell does this team walk the ball up so much? Josh is one of the best transition finishers in the NBA, and Marvin, Joe and Josh are all very athletic for their position. In addition, they have an undersized front court, further compounding their troubles in the half court. Playing at the pace they play just doesn’t match the players they have.

2) Given the pace they play at, you would assume the Hawks had numerous different sets to run in the half court. Watching the game, I saw the same play run about half of the time. That would be, post iso to Johnson. Joe is fine in the post, but again playing this way basically removes Al and Josh from the offense, as Joe is taking their spot in the post and neither of them are really a threat to shoot if Joe gets doubled. So it leaves you playing 3 on 5 with Bibby and Marvin looking to score of catch and shoots.

3) Josh and Al are undersized for their position; they are also much quicker than other PFs and Cs. Varejo, Hickson and Big Z don’t have a chance stopping Josh or Al from facing up and blowing by them; why let the Cavs off the hook by not going after these guys? The few times Josh was able to go at Hickson, he immediately drew a second defender and made a nice pass.

4) Flip Murray was allowed to take 15 shots.

On the larger issue of Josh, I know he catches a lot of heat for the dumb things he does, or the suspicious effort he gives at times. That said, he plays in a system that almost acts like he doesn’t exist. The walk it up instead of running. They post up their shooting guard and ask him to sit in the weakside corner instead of posting him up. They basically don’t involve him in any screen rolls, even though he’s at his most destructive when he is running towards the basket. If I was coaching the Hawks, I would do the following.

1) Less post iso with Joe. Maybe run that play 1 in 5 times down the court instead of 1 in 2. It’s hard for other people to get involved in the offense when they are just watching Joe, it also specifically removes Al and Josh from influencing the offense.

2) Run the offense through Josh and Al a bit more. With Josh, there are a few things that come to mind. One would be just posting him up more often, further away from the basket where he can abuse slower PFs off the dribble. Secondly, just a screen roll at the top of the key with Bibby. Bibby can either shoot it if both defenders go under, or both he and Josh can run towards the basket if the guard goes over. Sort of like Chandler/Paul down in NO. The third would be a side screen roll with Smith flairing out to the foul line. He’s actually quite good when he catches the ball there, as he can attack the basket and is an able passer. Horford is much less complicated, just get the guy some damn post touches. He’s too talented to only get garbage putbacks.

3) Find a way to develop Acie Law, because Flip Murray is not a reasonable backup PG. He’s fine, I don’t mind him in the rotation, but he’s such a gunner that everyone just stands around watching him shoot bad jumpers while he’s on the floor.

I guess that’s the real issue with the Hawks (that I see at least): most of their trips on offense look like one guy going against the defense while the other four stand around and watch. I know the Detroit team that Woodson coached did that a lot, but that was with great isolation players and a ton of great shooters. The team he’s coaching now requires a different philosophy. I doubt things will change at this point, but I guess I can hope.

By Clyde

March 2, 2009 6:07 AM | Link to this

“Is our frontline capable of matching up consistently with Boston’s? Orlando’s? How about the Lakers? The Blazers? Utah? San Antonio? These are the types of teams we’re talking about beating if we’re going all the way. I think we need some tweaking. There are some things that a coach can’t fix.”

Ray Was That You?

A coach can maybe play some of the bigs he has on the bench sometimes.

By David

March 2, 2009 7:39 AM | Link to this

None of this matters people. The NBA is a disaster waiting to go over a cliff. And the Hawks franchise is no exception. Poor leadership=poor results. This team is talking about “protecting” their 4th place. What a joke.

Just read Simmons article on ESPN. You are WASTING your time.

By dap01

March 2, 2009 7:57 AM | Link to this

Woody is making this nice group of player NOT fun to watch.

Simply not a good HC for this team!

By Samuel

March 2, 2009 8:34 AM | Link to this

Naj,

You actually suggested fouling a guy to send him to the line for free shots with the score tied and 10 seconds left in the game. WOW!! Yea, you guys really know basketball.

The fact that we are even having this discussion about the Hawks being an elite team in the NBA is good enough for me. A few weeks ago yall were saying we were doormats of the league. HUUUUMMMM!!

I didn’t see the game last night. I’m about to watch it now.

Snow Day

Woody=COY

By Astro Joe

March 2, 2009 8:54 AM | Link to this

Wow, was I watching the same game as many of you? Smith had some nice plays but the Cavs were killing us on the baords and Smith wasn’t doing much to stop tehm. He had all of 3 boards in 30+ minutes? And at least one was that nasty offensive put back. Zaza was doing some true lunhc pale type work and wasn’t trying to show out for a national audience.

Woody had no business putting a cold Bibby back on the floor for the last two offensive possessions…. one of the consequences of that decision was it left Joe to guard LeBron on the last possession. Marvin had done a stellar job on LeBron throughout the game but was moved to the 4 when Woody went with his 3 guard line-up.

Still, Hawks have the most home games of any team in the league, still have the 4 slot and are playing well at home. Horford is playing at a different level, Bibby is showing signs of recovering and JJ is beginning to look a little better. Warts and all, this team looks like they can finish the season in a good fashion.

By ILL-logical

March 2, 2009 9:01 AM | Link to this

Patrick, thanks for your spot on analysis. It was detailed and without the usual emo stuff that clogs this blog sometimes.

It should be interesting to see what the national media take is on the Hawks after last night. Are we still regarded as an up and coming team; what are our strengths and weaknesses and how does the city stack up against the other markets re fan support?

By KevinM

March 2, 2009 9:47 AM | Link to this

Agree that putting Bibby in was just a wasted move. He was cold and hadn’t had it all night. We needed to make some shots down the stretch and we didn’t. Sekou, founding LJ on the Cavs’ last possession when he touched the ball would have been a great move. He was terrible at the line and he only hit one at the end. The Hawks had this one, had control, and just didn’t make plays at the end after taking a small command on the game in the 4th. Reminded me of the Boston comebacks. I was not impressed by the Cavs at all in this one. This and the Lakers game showed me they aren’t ready for the title either. This team can win, but it needs a better plan at the end. I have no problem giving it to JJ, but just holding the ball is not creative enough. Zaza earned those 4th auarter minutes as well even if it makes Josh sit the 4th. Hard to imagine leaving him on the bench, but Bibby should have been there as well in this one.

By JM

March 2, 2009 10:05 AM | Link to this

Dead on Patrick!

And just to add, I think we might have a Amare situation with Josh at points. These young guys can loose concentration when they are not getting enough touches, resulting in a mental and basketball slump. I think Josh will be fine, because he played pretty well last night. And if you remember early in the season, the Hawks played best when Al and Josh were getting their touches and were part of the offense.

As far as the fourth, I don’t know what the deal was. ZaZa had a good game and we needed his size, but Woody could have run some offense defense subs to get Josh in the game. Hell he could have played Solo for some size.

Marvin stepped up again on D and actually got around LBJ a couple of times on offense.

But Mark Price got go. The Hawks as a team look bad at the line.

Go Hawks, but don’t sleep on the Wiz.

By Daniel

March 2, 2009 10:46 AM | Link to this

I really don’t get most of the analysis that I read on here. Particularly when it comes to “involving Josh in the offense more.” Did you not notice he was on the bench in the 4th quarter. The guy has become a liability to his team. He has missed his last 8 free throws, and he is not rebounding the ball. This team is better off with Zsa at the 5 and Horford at the 4 to start the game. I do agree that more offensive sets is called for. Also, Acie has had opportunities to show improvement and he isn’t making any. The guy is not the player that some of you seem to think he is. Please get over it. I also wonder why the Hawks aren’t more of a player in trying to bring in Joe Smith. And finally, playing uptempo with energy is a style not an offensive scheme. Stop confusing the two

By jlewis

March 2, 2009 10:53 AM | Link to this

A lot of you complain about the JJ ISO, have you seen what the elite players in the league do, they wait for the double team. All this game came down to is officiating, they give dwade,lebron,kobe phantom calls.

Everyone knows the officials have no integrity and if anyone believes Donaghy was point shaving by himself, you must be an idiot. This league is rigged, always has been.

By Ben

March 2, 2009 10:56 AM | Link to this

that last play call for joe was a complete joke. if you look closely, no one on the team besides joe even moves on the inbounds, like the best play we can set up with 1.6 left is a tough fadeaway over lebron. i can’t believe we couldn’t get off to a better start either. this loss hurts

By Daniel

March 2, 2009 10:57 AM | Link to this

I meant Al should get more offensive sets. (bad typing) JM- What does Mark Price have to do with how Josh is playing? This is a head case, not a practice technique issue. The guy has proven that he knows how to shoot the Basketball. Lay the blame where it belongs.

By RYUHOSHI

March 2, 2009 10:57 AM | Link to this

We lost because of missed free-throws…half the misses J-Smoove had last night at the line, and it’s a different ball game down the stretch. Great game to watch for the most part, though whoever the female commentator was for ESPN needs to recognize just because you call Lebron out for airball doesn’t mean he’s gonna suddenly blow you out. I think somebody made a comment like that in regards to the Horford - Pierce incident during the playoffs, and the next night Pierce was held to under 20….Oh, and it’s LRJ, not LBJ…

By Ben

March 2, 2009 11:00 AM | Link to this

i don’t understand how Joe is the 3rd best SG in the game, yet can hardly ever break 30 points in a game. Mo gets 45 as a PG, and Joe struggles just to get 20

By ATLawk

March 2, 2009 11:12 AM | Link to this

Sund needs to pull the trigger and sign Gooden. He would be a huge plus for us. We’re just too small up front.

By Ben

March 2, 2009 11:17 AM | Link to this

i’m ready for sund to sign a FA. gooden or stromile swift would be nice. if we can compete like we did in the 2nd half last night without josh smith, we can trade him and speedy and picks for a bosh or amare this summer. smoove’s FTs have cost us 4 games this year. good job, idiot

By STRETCH

March 2, 2009 11:25 AM | Link to this

And the shot selection at the end of the game was all so awful…WOODY HAS TO GO! This guy has no game plan when it gets sticky.

Of course Lebrons going to get those calls, thats what happens in the NBA, stars get the calls.

We probably wouldnt be having this conversation if JJ and Smith wouldnt have missed 4 straight free throws if the first half!

And finally, why is everyone worried about the 4th spot? The reason you go to the playoffs is to win a championship, not just to make it there. And right now this team is NOT 2nd round playoff material even with all the talent on this team.

Get bigger and smarter with a proven leader in the off-season, then people should start getting excited.

By Patrick

March 2, 2009 11:29 AM | Link to this

Daniel-

You’re right, I was conflating the terms somewhat. They are two different things, so let me clarify. The Hawks play at one of the slower paces in the league, I think that’s a mistake given the players they have. They should be trying to run a bit more off of rebounds to maximize Josh and Marvin. Also, once in the halfcourt, they need a more diverse set of plays. So it’s two-fold.

Also, a guy doesn’t go from a 70% free throw shooter to a 40% free throw shooter (or whatever his numbers are in the last few months) for no reason. I’m sure his confidence isn’t at an all time high, I also doubt it helps that he’s effectively frozen out of the offense. I don’t think this is a permanent thing.

The reason that they aren’t a player for Joe Smith is because there is no way Joe Smith would ever come to Atlanta. He wants to go to a contender (sorry to shatter any illusions here) and Cleveland is probably a lock for his services. Gooden is more likely (although still very unlikely) but if you guys are frustrated by how big of a head case Josh is, wait until you watch this guy.

By JM

March 2, 2009 11:32 AM | Link to this

Daniel,

The comment on Mark Price was in reference to the free throw shooting of the team, Josh Smith being the worst of the bunch. If he was brought in to help shooting, how come no one can shoot a good %FT? It maybe in Josh’s mind on the line - but what about Joe and the rest of the team practically going 1-2 when they get to the line.

By Mike is back

March 2, 2009 11:39 AM | Link to this

I want make no excuses for the Hawks because I haven’t see many game lately. But, I believe they will hold down that 4th spot. The Hawks have the most home games remaining then any team in the East, that hugeeeeeeeee!!!!  

Going down the stretch of the 4th quarter was the first sign of life I see from JJ in while. If he makes a commitment to attack the rack like he did last night, the Refs want have no choice but to call a foul.  He got plenty of contact that last drive.  In the 4th quarter last night, that JJ looked like the one that played in Phoenix .    

The Hawks have to execute better on offense, that’s what cost them the game. When they had the lead, they went down the court four times with a score taking bad shots without running their offensive sets. If they score one of those time, they win.  So yeah, LBJ got his calls, but that’s not why the Hawks lost. Even Woody admitted he needed to manage the game better, ”WOW!!” I didn’t see that coming. Heh heh  

Josh played some great defense last night, but he needs to quit complaining to Refs, and play ball. He made KING JAMES pull a throw down back, and he did in front of a national audience. How many people in the league can pull that off? Normally when LBJ get up that high you but to be ON ESPN top plays.    

YEAH , I say the Hawks hold down that 4th spots, but they will still be the Cardiac Kids. Heh heh   

Doc, my Pumpkin is in the State Playoff, we made it to the SWEET SIXTEEN!!!!!!

GO LADY EAGLES, AND GO HAWKS!!!

By Nay511

March 2, 2009 11:45 AM | Link to this

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Hawks need to sign a big man ASAP. They need another solid big man off the bench besides Pachulia.

Solomon Jones is not going to be a factor when the playoffs come. Drew Gooden, Joe Smith, Adonal Foyle, and Stromile Swift are all available as of today. : O

By welikebaseball2

March 2, 2009 11:52 AM | Link to this

How can you leave Joe on an island with Lebron? Joe is probably our best one-on-one defender but you know Lebron’s going to drive it & get a call. You’ve got to double Lebron & make someone else beat you. Come on, one-on-one defending Lebron James aka “I’ll-go-to-the-line-if-you-breathe-on-me”?

Okay, I think I’m over it now. On to Washington. That 10 games over .500 (much less a 50-win season) is looking more & more bleak.

By Daniel

March 2, 2009 11:53 AM | Link to this

Ben- I don’t mind swift or Gooden. No one is going to trade for Speedy and Smith. Speedy is going to be out of the league next year.

By Mike is back

March 2, 2009 12:04 PM | Link to this

Ben, why don’t you tell us how you really feel about Josh, IS THAT ALL YOU GOT, SURELY YOU GOT MORE THAN THAT DAWG!!!!Heh heh

By Daniel

March 2, 2009 12:08 PM | Link to this

Patrick,

I agree that it is unlikely to get Joe Smith, but I would just like to see this team from a front office perspective being aggressive. To not only send a message to the fans but also to this team, that the status quo is not getting it done. And, that this team can make a bigger push than just the second rounds. Yes you are right about Drew Gooden, but at a half season salary without long term commitment, I can take his stuff a lot better.

By Reggie

March 2, 2009 12:08 PM | Link to this

Ben Is some of the stuff you’re saying serious?

I think on this little 3 game road trip coming up we should try something. It is 3 games that we should win and I think we should maybe try starting Bibby,Johnson,Williams,Horford,Zaza. Zaza as proven he can rebound with the best and really brings some intensity and energy to us. We could bring Smith off the bench to then bring some explosive offense to us and get him some touches right away. The Knicks do it with Nate, The Spurs with Manu. I think it could possibly work and the time to do it would be know. Also is it just me or does JJ not shoot as much on the nights he is shooting well but shoots more when he isn’t shooting well. On nights he is off he will take 20 shots but then n nights he is making them he shoots maybe 15 shots. I am glad though that he started bringing it to the hole some in the last few games. If he continues this than he might go on a hot streak for us in the next few weeks. Maybe he has finally gotten over his injury in Phoenix. If he does finally start to bring the aggressiveness than he can play with anybody. He has the shot, the nice layups, and the great dribbling already but to add some aggressiveness with dunks would be great. All he needs now is the mentality of Kobe. Don’t sleep on the WIZ.

By Ben

March 2, 2009 12:17 PM | Link to this

drop mario and sign luther head

By Ben

March 2, 2009 12:20 PM | Link to this

this team would not be in the top 8 in the west with its current record

By Reggie

March 2, 2009 12:33 PM | Link to this

This team also wouldn’t have the record it does right now if it was in the west. While the west has an overall better top 8 it doesn’t have anybody in the bottom 8 to post a threat. The bottom 8 teams in the east are teams that have the capability to beat the top teams and have beaten to the top teams.

By nique

March 2, 2009 12:48 PM | Link to this

would’ve been nice to have made a FT here and there. anybody know why smith was out in the 4th?

By Hey Haters

March 2, 2009 1:02 PM | Link to this

All you people that are b*tching right now and we’re probably doing the same this time last year….Please stay off the band wagon when we start winning in the playoffs. We dont need you this year….we’ll be just fine thanks!

By Blast

March 2, 2009 1:04 PM | Link to this

After last night’s game, I feel more confident about the Hawks playing Cleveland in a 7 game series, so long as the the refs call the game evenly, which we know ain’t gonna happen. The Hawks just need to play above the refs and their terrible calls, man. Hawks lost last night for two reasons. Missed free throws, which if they had made would have negated the second reason: Terrible officiating. Hawks never get a break from the refs when they play Cleveland or Boston.

Hawks must take their frustrations out on the Wizards tonight!

By Ben

March 2, 2009 1:09 PM | Link to this

**three hings: 1) now would be the appropriate time for woodson to blast the refs and get that $15,000 fine. it seems like everyone with the hawks is scared to do anything. joe doesn’t complain to refs, while lebron gets every phantom call he wants woodson is scared to play speedy (who cares if we lose insurance money…that money could be counted towards flip who is massively underpaid). mo evans is scared to score points, as is evidenced by his consistent 0 ppg.

2) Woodson needs to learn what a 2-for-1 is. Why the hell do we have the ball with 40 or so seconds left and not try take a shot with 30 seconds. I couldnt watch the game because there was no charter cable working in athens last night, but my boy Big Shaunty was giving me updates, and i told him 3,205,169 times that we needed to go for a 2-for-1, because i knew lebron would get the ball at the end. but no, the usual loss happens, where we pass into joe and he takes an awkward fadeaway shot. i still can’t believe that’s the best play we could draw up. why not run 3 screens for smoove (who you’d put in) and throw an alleyoop he could lay in? step your game up, woody

3) reggie, any team in the west can beat any top team too. did you not see the t’wolves perform in january or LAC outplay Boston the other night? this season, anybody can beat anybody. your argument holds no water. the hawks are in a mediocre conference and are destined for a 2nd round exit (maybe a 1st) if we Marvin isn’t more involved, or Josh Smith doesn’t start to hit FTs**

By Mychelfromatl

March 2, 2009 1:16 PM | Link to this

Wow Steven A. Smith just reported on ESPN’s FirstTake that Rick Sund put together a deal for the Clippers Chris Kaman but the Hawks ownership would not allow the team to spend any money!!

He also spoke on Sund trying to pursue Marcus Camby first but the Clippers wouldn’t part ways. Wow, so we were close to having a starting lineup of Kaman, Horford, Smith, Johnson, Bibby with Marvin, Zaza, Flip & Mo coming off the bench.

By Mychelfromatl

March 2, 2009 1:22 PM | Link to this

All things considered, reports are that Kaman is close to returning from the that foot injury and only suffered a slight setback with the flu-bug. Also not one time did Steven A. mention the Hawks having to part ways with Josh or Marin so I’m guessing some type of package including Solo & Acie. Man FTASG.

By Ariose

March 2, 2009 1:23 PM | Link to this

I’m just happy Marvin got the left handed Yam over LeBeron. Then Smoove Boomed twice and bloced some shots and even JJ got in the Act and demoralized Delote West.

The media tries to hype the cavs and LeBeron so much and i’m like “He’s their ONLY athletic player aside from delonte west”. Whereas we’ve got athletic polayers up and down our roster which is why Bron-Bron doesn’t have a feild-day in our paint like he does aagainst other teams.

Maaan I hope we get some payback in cleveland.

But i’m ready for this 4-7 game win-streak that we’re about to go on…..

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ariose

March 2, 2009 1:29 PM | Link to this

I was really glad smoove complained to the ref’s because if he hadn’t they would’ve given LeBron all of the calls.

Don’t tell me you didn’t see how he and Mike brown were Bit$%^@$%ing like little girls througout the first half. Brown should get another fine.

The phantom fouls on both Smoove and Horford were game-changing calls. The refs really need to straighten up.

…..and I guess LeBron was sare so he had to bring his litte(I’ll suck your Di&*%k if you come play for New York) Fan club(Spike Lee and Bill Murray)…..whatever…

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 2, 2009 1:34 PM | Link to this

“You actually suggested fouling a guy to send him to the line for free shots with the score tied and 10 seconds left in the game. WOW!! Yea, you guys really know basketball.”

See, this is exactly what I mean. People like you and Woody are so stuck in your “beliefs” that you can’t break from them when there’s an alternative that would obviously be better. Are you telling me you think the Hawks had a chance of denying LeBron a made basket AND a trip to the foul line, especially with no Josh Smith on the floor to play help defense, and especially with the way the game was officiated?

Good coaching is about playing the percentages. Maybe in the high school games you coach, the refs are fair enough that they will consider the possibility that a star player might drive to the basket, not get fouled, and miss a shot. But this is the NBA. Woody went with the 0.0001% chance that LeBron would drive to the basket, miss his shot, and not get a foul call. I will take LeBron free throws with 10 seconds left over LeBron free throws with 1 second left 100 times out of 100.

I know it’s a tough call for a coach to make, but just like Bill Belichick taking a safety in the Super Bowl, sometimes giving the other team points in exchange for more time on the clock (or more field position) is the right thing to do.

Patrick at 3:09 AM, great post.

By Ben

March 2, 2009 1:35 PM | Link to this

**lol @ all this.

i saw some junk earlier about the espn guys talking about smoove has never had a veteran big to learn from…um hakeem olajuwon?**

By Ariose

March 2, 2009 1:37 PM | Link to this

Mychelfromatl, Damn, I knew this would happen. we we’re one Legit Big away from being a contender but those cheap azz scrubs are too busy bickering and loosing money.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ben

March 2, 2009 1:43 PM | Link to this

when do we hear the asg ruling?

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 2, 2009 1:45 PM | Link to this

Mychel, it’s nice that Sund is targeting players that would help the Hawks, but I’d be really surprised if a trade for Kaman or Camby didn’t involve either Josh, Marvin, or both, especially considering that salaries have to match in any trade.

By terrell barron

March 2, 2009 1:45 PM | Link to this

Ben, we’re not in the West.

By Ben

March 2, 2009 1:56 PM | Link to this

terrell, makes no difference. i don’t see how people look at us as the #4 seed and think and are pleased with that. We cannot beat anyone worth a squirt of p** on the road and Woodson cannot motivate us to start well vs. ANYONE.

By Melvin

March 2, 2009 2:26 PM | Link to this

Ben, Didn’t the Hawks beat Orlando and New Orleans on the road…

By Ben

March 2, 2009 2:31 PM | Link to this

yeah, Orlando was the 1st game of the year, and NOH was early in the year, plus I don’t consider them an elite team. Don’t forget we lost to ORL by about 250 points a couple months back. How many impressive road wins do we have since then? we must as well forfeit every west coast game worth a damn in the future because we can’t beat any of these teams.

By Astro Joe

March 2, 2009 3:06 PM | Link to this

Ben, you’re right. Let’s concede the season now. Go ahead and forfeit the rest of the season and start rebuilding in June.

By Mychelfromatl

March 2, 2009 3:09 PM | Link to this

I was talking with one of the homies awhile ago venting about the refs screwing the Hawks last night, and he simply said in response: “My man Joe still should have hit that shot last night, He is a superstar isn’t it.”

Then it hit me, is Joe starting to show us all why he hasn’t gained superstar status nationally. I mean I like Joe just as much as the next Hawks fan but let’s just look at a few things from this year:

1)Missing the free-throw against Boston. 2)Giving up the shot last week in Denver to Flip at the end.(Now if Joe would have kept the ball and took the shot and drew contact, would he have got that same call Lebron got last night???) 3)Missing the shot last night.

Now ask yourself…would Kobe, Wade, Roy, Lebron, Pierce fail in clutch situations as those?

I mean Joe has obvioulsly shown that he is capable of being mentioned with such players, but this year he has not came through in clutch situations that would include him into superstar status.

Another thing I notice is that someone has probably gotten into his ear about this because lately he has started to take the first step into gaining momentum into getting superstar recognition which is driving the ball hard to the basket consistently.To me that is one thing that has always seperated him from those mentioned above is that he rarely went to the basket with authority to consistently draw such calls. Hopefully we are starting to see Joe bring that dimension to his game with the playoffs fast approaching.

By Samuel

March 2, 2009 3:10 PM | Link to this

Naj,

Just plain stupid. Any way you look at it. Many things can happen in 10 seconds. You just don’t put a player on the line with a chance to hit uncontested free throws to win. No way.

Up by three, maybe. Otherwise, just a stupid move. Wake up dude.

By Ben

March 2, 2009 3:21 PM | Link to this

mychel, I said road games, not the season, idiot. can you name one west coast game against a semi-decent team that we have not gotten obliterated from the start? NOH was so early that you can hardly count that. I’m already terrified about WAS tonight after they destroyed an improved CHI team the other night

By Ben

March 2, 2009 3:26 PM | Link to this

My bad Mychel, I meant that comment to go toward Astro Joe.

As for your comments about Joe:

1) there’s no way Joe would’ve gotten a shot off vs. Denver over Chris Andersen who was clearly getting ready to swat Joe’s shot were he to take it

2) We all knew Joe would miss that 2nd free throw vs. Boston. This is the Celtics we’re talking about. Pierce probably would’ve GW’ed it if he had made it anyway.

3) That was a terribly set up “play” last night. No one else on the team looked remotely close to getting in position to take that last shot last night

By BA

March 2, 2009 3:49 PM | Link to this

Ben, enough with the bold type, you dolt.

And there was nothing wrong with the “set up” of that play at the end last night- he got an open look with plenty of time to get the shot off.

Samuel, let’s get some perspective- YOU are calling ‘Poop stupid? ‘Poop is one of the more well-stated posters here.

You’re a glamorized cheerleader, on par with kirknga.

By Melvin

March 2, 2009 3:54 PM | Link to this

Mycel, I agree with your first two views. 1) Joe should have made the free against the Celtics. 2) I thought Joe should have drove that ball right into KMart chest drawing the foul. It would have made no difference if Birdman had block his shot b/c the result of the play would have giving us 2 free throws. However, I disagree with your 3rd view. I thought that was a tough shot for Joe to make. Fade away three pointer with Lebron flying high to block it. Notice how ESPN try to give Lebron credit for getting a fingernail on that shot (in which he didn’t). Freaking Lebron Lovers…. I thought Joe could have pump fake and pull a Reggie Miller and jump into Lebron to draw a foul but Joe mentality is to avoid contact… And yes, he was foul on his previous two attempts…

By BA

March 2, 2009 3:54 PM | Link to this

And this whole thing about Woody needing to “motivate” these guys- now THAT’S stupid. Were talking about grown azz men, making millions of dollars to play in the best proffessional basketball league in the world.

If Woody “motivating” them is really an issue, they should clean house and get some players that are responsible enough to be motivated on their own.

I think a lot of people would rather blame Woodson for every shortcoming, rather than admit that the Hawks are a young team that is still a work in progress. Did any of ya’ll REALLY think we’d go from 37 wins to the title the next year? Again, like with Samuel the cheerleader, get some perspective.

By BA

March 2, 2009 4:03 PM | Link to this

my bad, I meant “professional”

By Ariose

March 2, 2009 4:11 PM | Link to this

Lang Whitaker has the play-by-play from the game last night.

He talks about the horrible officiating from Tony Brothers too.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By fudd21

March 2, 2009 4:46 PM | Link to this

Samuel maybe fouling Lebron with 10 seconds left may not be the right thing to do but allowing Joe to guard him one on one certainly was the WRONG thing to do. At a minimum you send another defender at him to get the ball out of his hands and make someone else beat you.

Ben it was a good look and a fairly good designed play. Joe just missed the shot plain and simple.

By jhan

March 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Link to this

“And finally, playing uptempo with energy is a style not an offensive scheme. Stop confusing the two”

If you play uptempo with energy does that mean you beat the other team up the court, wait for them to get back, then run your offensive set?

I regard “uptempo with energy” as attacking the rim before the other team has a chance to get back. That equates to much quicker, higher percentage shots with less defensive pressure around.

Sure sounds like a totally different offensive scheme to me.

By Samuel

March 2, 2009 5:03 PM | Link to this

Yea, a stupid suggestion. Play percentages? How about 76% FT vs 48% FG. I may be a public school teacher who can’t spell worth a lick but I can count.

If Woody pulls a stupid move like that, I’ll be the first to join Clyde’s movement. I’ll get T-Shirts, Bumper stickers, web sites and yard signs.

BA, isn’t that ironic that guys calling for Woody’s head are actually making a good case for extending him. Going from 37 wins to being talked about as being an elite team in less than a year.

Sean Williams is a scrub. Nick Saban is over-rated and:

Woody=COY

By Ben

March 2, 2009 5:13 PM | Link to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAIyM6HNWTE does joe not get fouled by 4 players on this play? If lebron did not get a foul call on this same play, the refs in this game would be suspended for life

By Ben

March 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Link to this

go to 1:40 my bad

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 2, 2009 5:37 PM | Link to this

“Just plain stupid. Any way you look at it. Many things can happen in 10 seconds.”

When LeBron has the ball one-on-one at the top of the 3 point line with his teammates clearing out the lane for him, “many things” cannot happen with 15 seconds left. Exactly one thing can happen. I was at the game with 4 other people, and we all saw him iso’d on Joe at the top of the 3 point line, and we all knew he was going to drive the ball to the basket. The LeBron fans in attendance were licking their chops knowing he was going to make something good happen for Cleveland. 76% FT’s vs. 48% FG’s matters over the course of the whole game. It doesn’t mean a damn thing at the end of the game when LeBron is driving one-on-one. In that situation he IS going to the line or making the shot, if not both.

“You just don’t put a player on the line with a chance to hit uncontested free throws to win. No way”

With 10 seconds left, he’s not hitting uncontested free throws to win. He’s hitting them to take the lead. The worst thing that could happen in that situation is that the Hawks have 10 seconds to hit a 2 to go to overtime or a 3 to win. The whole point of my argument is that by intentionally fouling him, maybe you go down by a point or two, but you get the ball with 10 seconds and a chance to send it to overtime at worst and win the game at best.

Using Woody’s strategy, you are probably not going to get a good shot to win or tie the game, if you get the final shot at all. You are handing Cleveland the last possession of the game by playing it the way he did. You allow LeBron to dictate exactly how much time, if any, you have to hit your game-winning or game-tying shot. When the game is tied, you have to force the issue defensively in that situation so that you have a chance to win in regulation.

fudd21’s suggestion to run another guy at LeBron makes a lot of sense too — I hadn’t thought of that, but it would have made sense to double LeBron and leave their weakest 3 point shooter open. Of course even if you do that, you risk being down by 3 with a second or less on the clock. But I’d rather live with someone like Wally Szczerbiak taking the potential game-winning 3 than LeBron driving to the basket to win the game.

Either way, allowing LeBron to dictate the final possession of the game is the worst possible outcome in my opinion.

By ray

March 2, 2009 6:03 PM | Link to this

Ben,

Try reading whole sentences. What the ESPN announcers said (and what I posted) was:

“Smith has been in the league for 5 years, but has never had a veteran playing in front of him to teach or show him anything (or come in while he gets set down on the bench to learn and cool his heels).”

So, uh….when was it that Hakeem Olajuwon played for the Hawks?

Mark,

No, trading both Josh and Marvin isn’t a good idea unless you’re getting Dwight Howard. In that case…

Reggie,

I was being too specific. We may have guys on the roster that can meet the needs we have (but again, I’m not sold on that idea). But with Woody around, we’ll never know that.

Whatever is happening with Josh Smith at the line is purely mental. He was not this bad of a free throw shooter last year, or the year before. He needs to see a sports psychologist or something.

Samuel,

Go ahead and buy stock in what Clyde is selling. That play call for ISO Joe was as stupid as you claim Najeh’s suggestion was. Or are you going to say that Woody didn’t call it, and JJ just botched it? No, you’re right, I forgot rule #1: it’s always the players…

BA,

I think Woody coached a good game, and his gamble to play Zaza instead of Smith actually paid off to a degree. I wanted to see Smith in there due to Marvin’s lack of aggression, but cannot deny Marvin’s solid defense on Lebron. The thing about Smith is being able to make that big play anywhere on the court (except from the arc, where we all have coronaries). But again, Woody with a good gamble, as Zaza was playing his Euro-a$$ off, and even Samuel has to give it up to him. Talk about ironies…that one’s thick enough to cut with a knife…

By BA

March 2, 2009 6:14 PM | Link to this

Ray- the way Z has been playing at home, I don’t even think he qualifies as “Euro” anymore- he’s an official Atlanta native! Still, too play the bulk of the fourth with your best shot-blocker on the floor…

Samuel, I WANT to believe they’re elite. I’ve seen them play as if they were elite. But the Hawks just aren’t elite yet, more like upper echelon.

By BA

March 2, 2009 6:42 PM | Link to this

Damn, I meant “with your best shot blocker OFF the floor”. Issues today.

By Clyde

March 2, 2009 6:50 PM | Link to this

i say we bring Rasheed Wallace back to Atlanta.

By ray

March 2, 2009 7:11 PM | Link to this

Najeh,

Very well put. And to think, you may have never coached a single game. Heh, heh.

By ray

March 2, 2009 7:15 PM | Link to this

Clyde,

Yeah, that was me that posted that about our front line. We don’t disagree on the fact that we need more size. We just disagree about who is at fault for that. It’s not Horford, man. He’s doing the best he can to accomplish the task he’s been assigned. Put a center next to him and watch him shine. Yeah, we could even put Sean Williams next to him….

BA,

Heh, we all have days like that. Trust me, I was a bit bugged by that move. But what can I say? It wasn’t exactly a failure…but it wasn’t precisely a success.

By ray

March 2, 2009 7:17 PM | Link to this

Mike is Back,

I agree, Josh needs to stop complaining about calls. What he needs to do is show that he’s worthy of getting some of those calls. And to do that, he’s got to perform much better than he is.

Wow. Verizon center is worse than Phillips on a bad day….

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 2, 2009 7:18 PM | Link to this

Ray, unless you count PlayStation games, I definitely haven’t haha…

By JJ

March 2, 2009 7:21 PM | Link to this

Pass Al the damn ball. sh!t. He is the only consistent player on this team. Al asks 4 the ball and alot of times guys just act like they don’t see him.

By Mel

March 2, 2009 7:26 PM | Link to this

Why does Woody take out Marvin for Evans no matter how good/bad he’s playing?

I think there’s a little bell that goes off in his potato head that alerts his substitutions regardless of how the 5 out there are playing

By jhan

March 2, 2009 7:28 PM | Link to this

I don’t agree with fouling LeBron in that situation either. I would prefer to immediately double team LeBron & force the Cavs to make a couple of passes to get their basket.

We played right into his hands by letting him iso for the final shot. The double team didn’t come until he was already at the rim.

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 2, 2009 7:31 PM | Link to this

I really don’t understand what the Wizards think they accomplish by refusing to start JaVale McGee. It’s not like Songaila’s any better anyway, and it’s not like they are in the playoff race or anything…

By Patrick

March 2, 2009 7:40 PM | Link to this

Agree. JaVale has basically been the lone bright spot for Washington this year. That whole team is a mess in my opinion (I know, hard sell). Don’t know why they didn’t try to jettison Jamison/Butler at the trade deadline. Even with Arenas, this team isn’t a playoff team, so why not just admit it and try to move on?

By JJ

March 2, 2009 8:02 PM | Link to this

man this team sucks. How are we struggling with this crap team.

By Blast

March 2, 2009 8:45 PM | Link to this

Hawks new secret weapon? Marvin Williams.