Hawks

By Dennis Green

February 19, 2009 2:57 AM | Link to this

The Sacramento Queens are who we thought they were.

You want to crown them, then crown their @*!

The Sacramento Queens are who we THOUGHT THEY WERE-

AND WE (almost) LET ‘EM OFF THE HOOK!

By JohnGTFan

February 19, 2009 3:18 AM | Link to this

Sekou

You are right…a win is a win and at the end of the day, all that matters is the record. But we all know it…this team will not be successful in the playoffs with this roster! As great as Horford was, he will probably rarely see the ball Friday in Portland. Atlanta has to get a big to help him out. If Atlanta makes no moves….my opinion is that Atlanta gets the 6 or 7 seed, loses in 1st round, season over. Believe me…I HOPE I’M WRONG!!!! But I don’t think I am. They have to make a move. Doesn’t have to be a blockbuster..but something has to be done.

By smartguy

February 19, 2009 7:43 AM | Link to this

Woodson is a total idiot. He still can’t figure out our third quarter blues. Its only been five years now…

By Gary Dick

February 19, 2009 8:46 AM | Link to this

smartguy (dumbguy),

You’re the total idiot - the Hawks won the 3rd quarter 28-18 last night vs. the Kings.

By oldmike

February 19, 2009 8:46 AM | Link to this

I still think they win despite the coach. What would this team be like if they ran an offense that had flow and ball movement and stressed running the floor?

By The Truth

February 19, 2009 8:47 AM | Link to this

Sekou I don’t mind the half-full approach if it represents an accurate depiction of the full story. The real game the Hawks played was a case of the Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. The Good; Yes we got the win, Yes Biddy and Horford had nice stats, but the blogger Dennis Green comments really depicts The Bad. Also, the Woody quote you stated: “I was happy with our troops down the stretch because we made the plays on defense that we needed to make”, was a half-quote. He said a lot more. Actually, Woody body language and counter-statement suggests also that he was upset that we blow a 10-12 point lead going into half-time against a depleted team. They made an 18 point run against us during that period. The Ugly; Kevin Martin should be upset that he is not being considered for the hall-of-fame after his offensive performance of 32 points. He was unstoppable which is why I think Woody’s statement:” I was happy with our troops down the stretch because we made the plays on defense that we needed to make,” was an exaggeration. Yes we made a few defense plays, but it was so many wide open lanes, The Hawk’s defense looked like an expressway on Sunday Morning for most of the night. We struggled to make plays down the stretch while their plays looked easy. The Sac Queens blow some easy chances to win. It was just that close.

By Astro Joe

February 19, 2009 9:05 AM | Link to this

Sekou, what’s the latest on Flip? Will he be available for the Portland game?

By Show me state

February 19, 2009 9:20 AM | Link to this

Great win Hawks!!! The W is all that matters in the NBA nowadays. Sekou, btw this was Bibby’s second win against the Kings.

By ILL-logical

February 19, 2009 9:20 AM | Link to this

RE: Hawks win. The good news: the bench got some serious burn in the first have and did not play badly, especially Solo.

The better news: While clearly not up to par physically-can anyone get any info on this-Josh gutted it out in the second half. ( There is something else going on with him in terms of some anxieties as well) The shot blocks are still there albeit in a lesser frequency.

the best news: Down the stretch, Coach woodson did not panic or display his usual pique when things were not going well. I hope he is begining to understand the importance of his demeanor and comportment in terms of leadership styles.

Net net, this is a win on the road on a night when several of the teams chasing us in the standings lost.

By JM

February 19, 2009 9:29 AM | Link to this

Was it me or did Smoove’s rhythm look off yesterday. Your boy almost missed a point blank dunk and had to lay it in.

Sekou, has the coaches or Johnson said anything about his decrease in production of late? He had one lights out game after his injury, but it still looks like his points are harder to come by than previous years. I still think he should work out of the double team faster to avoid pounding the ball. Thoughts?

By doc

February 19, 2009 9:38 AM | Link to this

jm dont mention that to nire about jj or he might go legal ballistic.

according to the broadcasters third toughest schedule on the last thirty games is what we face. nay win will be a good win in that time period.

By rms

February 19, 2009 9:38 AM | Link to this

I absolutely agree that if the Hawks can make a move to get a big man that at least reboung or clog up the middle without giving up a whole lot go ahead a pull the trigger…PLEASE! Did you see how the Sacramento Quee- I mean Kings just drove to the hole at will at got easy layups!! Why couldnt we counter with the same thing. We are in love with the jump shot for some reason.

By Da Real Real

February 19, 2009 9:44 AM | Link to this

Yeah I agree Sekou - you can’t complain about a win because in the end its all that matters. We pick up a game on the guys behind and on the Magic. The only thing that I have to say is that I can’t wait to see this team play together 100% over a good span of time. It just seems that there’s always an injury, or somebody is getting sick, or some family issue that pops up which is why I disagree with a blogger that last night said the Hawks were the worst 10 game over .500 team ever.

I think the Hawks being 10 games over .500 has been very impressive up to this point with all the injuries and other things that they’ve gone through this year. I’ll be interested to see what this team can do once everybody is back and we’re at full strength over a good span of time.

By Astro Joe

February 19, 2009 10:16 AM | Link to this

rms, yeah, Kings made 2-3 consecutive lay-ups while JJ and others continued to pull up for jumpers. I don’t think it is the scheme, it’s just their nature. Joe seems to think that shooting bombs will get him going, as opposed to driving the basket or employing his mid-range game. If Wade we’re on our team, does anyone think that he would be forced to shoot jumpers because of the scheme? Of course not, he would still be driving into the lane. We have two jump shooters who hog the ball. If our front court doesn’t show and prove early in the game, our backcourt decides “okay, you had your chance, now it’s up to us” and they proceed to chuck-up jumpers from 18 feet and beyond. (And if the front court decides not to rebound, then you get a Lakers-type blowout).

Marvin (although he has sturggled the last 2-3 games) has shown a willingness to drive into the paint. Smith has gotten better about trying to score in the paint. And Horford appears ready to take his offensive game to the next level after returning from his knee injury. But none of those guys can do it without the ball and their backcourt provides them limited opportunities to “warm up”. That’s why Flip has been so valuable, because he can get the ball and he actually drives more often than not. He’s the only backcourt player who gets PT who has an “I’m going to the hole and somebody try to stop me” mentality. There was a guy with a big afro who used to operate that way too. I wonder what happened to that guy?

Sekou, someone needs to point out to Joe that he has been outplayed recently by Kevin Martin and OJ Mayo (HORSE). Will Brandon Roy be next? Time for our All-Star to at least out-play the opposing SG.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 19, 2009 10:18 AM | Link to this

“If you think any of the Hawks were disappointed because they barely beat the NBA’s worst team (11-44), think again.”

If they keep playing this way, they will be disappointed after they get blown out in the next three games.

The Kings on at least three or four occasions yesterday were practically begging the Hawks to step on their throats and blow them out. Instead, poor shot selection and a lack of energy let them back in every time.

I don’t expect the Hawks to be disappointed after a win. That job is for fans like me who care about the long term success of this team more than the result of one game. I do, however, hope the Hawks realize that an effort like last night’s won’t get it done against 90% of the teams in the NBA.

And I am going to co-sign Mac-Town from the last blog. I am starting to get p-ssed off at Joe Johnson. There is no need to bail out the opponent by taking mid range jumpshots less than 10 seconds into the shot clock when there is nobody in position to rebound the ball. I realize the scheme and the heavy minutes figure into this too, but when he is matched up against someone like Bobby Jackson, there’s no reason to shoot a jumpshot instead of posting him up. When he’s matched up against someone like Spencer Hawes, there’s no reason to shoot a jumpshot instead of taking him off the dribble. Joe is too talented to be bailing out the defense by settling for jumpers.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 19, 2009 10:20 AM | Link to this

Kevin Martin played yesterday’s game the way a true #1 scorer is supposed to play — attack the rim, put pressure on the defense, and take jumpshots when you are relatively open and in rhythm.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 19, 2009 10:21 AM | Link to this

And Josh Smith still looks like a shadow of his former self on defense. One year ago today I would have put him on the list of finalists for the Defensive Player of the Year award. Yesterday way too many people got to the rim on a regular basis with Josh doing very little to challenge. I wonder whether he’s still injured…

By Greg

February 19, 2009 10:25 AM | Link to this

Sekou give them a pass all you want. This team sucks, and I love the Hawks! I am not impressed with a subpar win over a short handed team. It does not erase the fact that we could go 1-4 on this road trip. The reason they can not win consistently is we keep play Al and Josh out of position. That slight adjustment will make us at least 10 games better.

By chris

February 19, 2009 10:26 AM | Link to this

Sekou,

The Tyson Chandler deal fell through. Can the Hawks get him? Maybe trade Marvin, Zaza and a draft pick. Would give them the big man they need.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 19, 2009 10:26 AM | Link to this

At Portland, at Utah, at Denver, vs. Miami, and vs. Cleveland. Yesterday’s Hawks will lose every one of those games by double digits.

By Melvin

February 19, 2009 10:26 AM | Link to this

I wonder if the Hawks can make a deal to pickup Joe Smith or Chris Wilcox (for maybe Speedy’s contract) before the Celtics get them….

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 19, 2009 10:27 AM | Link to this

Co-sign AJ’s 10:16 AM post.

By JMar

February 19, 2009 10:35 AM | Link to this

Not one mention of a LANE VIOLATION on a FIRST FREE THROW that almost cost us the game? I wish we had a coach with the guts to discipline Josh Smith, even if it means putting a slightly weaker lineup on the court in crunch time.

By Melvin

February 19, 2009 10:45 AM | Link to this

Astro, in search for your tweener. Keep an eye on the big guy (#35, Brooker) who plays for Clemson. He reminds me of Jason Cafferty(misp) who played for Alabama and the Bulls in the pros. 6-7 or 6-8, widebody, athletic, good low-post moves and nice mid-range jumper. And I was referring to Jason’s Alabama days….lol

By The Truth

February 19, 2009 10:47 AM | Link to this

Chris I don’t understand that logic. That’s a joke right?

By Sekou K. Smith

February 19, 2009 10:53 AM | Link to this

I meant Bibby’s first win against them in Sacto Show me.

And folks around the team are worried about Joe’s uneven showing since January, because he doesn’t say much and they’re left to wonder if something is wrong that he isn’t articulating.

He was a demon against Detroit last week but then comes back with less then stellar showings against the Lakers and Kings. It’s hard to figure.

As for Josh Smith, he remains the most perplexing player on the roster. Why he doesn’t dominate the way he did last year this time is beyond me. He allows far too much to get past him on the defensive end. But I’d like to see him attack the glass the way Al Horford did last night. Just attack. Because he can. And for no other earthly reason than to dominate. But he apparently has other ideas.

And I’m not giving this team a pass for anything. I just realize that they are closing in on matching last season’s win total with 28 games left, which means they have the potential to chase 45-47 wins this season, depending on how they finish.

Knocking them now for lousy efforts in wins just doesn’t seem particularly prudent at this juncture!

By Melvin

February 19, 2009 11:02 AM | Link to this

JMar, I mention that last nite on the blog that was a bad call. Even the SacTown broadcasters couldn’t figure out what Josh did that was in violation. Do you know b/c I didn’t see it either?

How come that violation almost cost us the game? What about Bibby, Joe and Marvin each missing a free throw that could have seal the game for us? Oh I forgot, its Josh fault b/c he’s the worst free throw shooter on the team….

By cp

February 19, 2009 11:03 AM | Link to this

Well Brandon Roy owned JJ in their match ups last year and with JJ slumping like he is I don’t expect to see anything different in the next game. Has Josh Smith lost his hops? If his ankle is still hurting him then we rushed him back to quickly. He is missing point blank shots that he used to try to tear the rim down with dunks in the past…. Is there something in Evans contract that says he must play every game regardless if he is stinking it up? This cat couldn’t guard my granny and she uses a walker….We need to get another big in here.Not a scoring big but a guy who can play some defense and grab some boards… When Flip gets back I doubt Law will play much so get a package together and get us some help in the frontcourt….

By Astro Joe

February 19, 2009 11:05 AM | Link to this

Check out NBAD-League box score from last night with Othella Hunter getting some valuable playing time. And notice a certain C. Bozeman on the roster… that’s right Cedric Bozeman who played for the Hawks a few years back. He’s having a very solid season. I liked his game when he was with us, kind of a pass-first/defensive SG with a good b-ball IQ. It looks like he is shooting well this season, I hope that he gets a 10 day deal from a team later in the season.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/games/boxscore.jsp?gameId=2020800221

Melvin, thanks for the scouting alert. I’m looking forward to the conference tournaments and madness next month. But I have to admit, I have enjoyed ignoring college ball as I haven’t felt compelled to “look for our savior in the NCAA” this year. Who knows, maybe if the Hawks allow Hunter to develop for the next few months in the D-League, he will become that athletic ‘tweener that I want (although he seems a little light in the pants to me).

By JM

February 19, 2009 11:09 AM | Link to this

Thanks Sekou. Good to read that people are worried, but Woody should just ask Joe straight up, “Are you hurt? Do you need some rest? ‘Cause your not giving me what I’m use to.”

As far as Josh, again, I think its mental. The cat just looks out of the flow. Could be the two early fouls in the last couple of games. Or he is seeing what we are seeing, thus is p** at the back court and can’t muster the effort to chase down all the long rebounds those j’s create.

Both need to get it together if the Hawks are going to do anything in the playoffs this year.

By Ryder

February 19, 2009 11:12 AM | Link to this

Overall Atlanta played very lax when they went up by 13 and must realize that in order to get to the next level they must MENTALLY put their opponent away. Playing the way they did last night will get them destroyed against better teams like Utah and Denver later on this trip.

I don’t think that Sund needs to make any moves. Let’s wait until Flip gets back and get the bench back in tow.

That said, Josh Smith seems a bit slow and maybe sitting out a game or so will help him get his ankle back the way it should be.

By Astro Joe

February 19, 2009 11:30 AM | Link to this

Maybe Josh and Joe hurt themselves riding Mopeds recently.

By terrell barron

February 19, 2009 11:33 AM | Link to this

I still cant wait to see Mike Bibby chase around Sergio and Bayless after playing 44 freakin min. Are you kidding me? Hopefully he has better legs and ankles than I think he has.

By ILL-logical

February 19, 2009 11:38 AM | Link to this

” As for Josh Smith, he remains the most perplexing player on the roster. Why he doesn’t dominate the way he did last year this time is beyond me. He allows far too much to get past him on the defensive end. But I’d like to see him attack the glass the way Al Horford did last night. Just attack. Because he can. And for no other earthly reason than to dominate. But he apparently has other ideas.”

OK Sekou, I am not letting you get away with this! You have information on all of the team and the coaches and you make that kind of statement when A0 he is playing out of position for no good reason. IF Defense is the current incumbant coach’s mantra, why isn’t his strongest defensive line up on the floor? Why not ask why the offense work Josh does WHEN the team runs-like in the second half last night. Bibby finds him on those breaks but Joe somehow doesn’t!

Since you can speculate on w/not Joe may have some issues( like last year’s “personal” problems that were the opposite of Jay-Z’s) Be a reporter; why don’t you just ask Josh rather than throwing him under the bus with this lame stuff.

By terrell barron

February 19, 2009 11:41 AM | Link to this

Did you guys read Woody’s lips when he was screaming at Marvin “get the ball to Joe”, “get the ball to Joe”? Marvin nearly turned it over trying to just that, you idiot. Joe WASN’NT OPEN. And then old Woodrow gave him that stare as he made his way to the sidelines. Just imagine how Acie feels, if Marvin is still intimidated by his bald headed azz. I’ve said it 1000 times, and I’ll say it again. We’re winning games IN SPITE of Woody.

By terrell barron

February 19, 2009 11:49 AM | Link to this

Honestly, what this game tells me is what I already knew. We’re just a tad bit better than the bottom tier teams of the league. Right in there with Detroit, Miami, and Philly. Orlando, Cleveland, and Boston, usually blow out the Sacramento’s of the world . When they go up by 10, they put the nail in the coffin.

By terrell barron

February 19, 2009 11:56 AM | Link to this

Sekou, last year Josh Smith was playing for his contract. He got it. There’s your answer.

By Sekou K. Smith

February 19, 2009 12:03 PM | Link to this

ILL,

You don’t have to let me get away with anything. Look at Josh’s performance this year and tell me he’s been the dominant player he has been in the past? I’m not breaking this news here. I’ve talked with him about it and with others. Dude hasn’t been the consistent force he was a year ago this season. Plain and simple. And in my opinion (that’s all it is money, opinion) he’s the player that pushes these Hawks over the top when he’s at his best.

Of course, things look different when the Hawks get up and down the floor. That’s been made clear here repeatedly the past three years. I’m an advocate of the Hawks playing that style of ball. But it’s not going to happen. It’s simply not the style of play Mike Woodson is going to use.

My point about Josh is that he has to decide he’s going to be dominant force on his own, regardless of the scheme or what position he’s playing or anything else. If you’re going to argue that the offensive or defensive system isn’t designed for him to average a double double and three blocks a night, then so be it. I just don’t believe someone has to design a system for him to take advantage of his obvious skills and talent.

By terrell barron

February 19, 2009 12:06 PM | Link to this

Sekou, I’m not knocking you, but I’m tired of all the “look at our record this year, as opposed to last year” s**. We’ve been hearing that for 5 years now. Yeah, we’ve won a few more games every year under Woody, but who cares? We shoulda won more. Let me ask you this, if we win 45 this year, 47 next year, and 50 the next, only to be ousted in the 1st or 2nd rd, would you be happy? Afer all, we one more than we did the previous year. I myself want to win a title, and I dont think Woody is the man that can take us there. Therefore a few more wins a year is irrelevant in my book.

By terrell barron

February 19, 2009 12:18 PM | Link to this

“It simply not the style of play Mike Woodson is going to use”. Enough said! As Clyde would say: …. …..!

By Sautee

February 19, 2009 12:25 PM | Link to this

Sekou

about this: “I just don’t believe someone has to design a system for him to take advantage of his obvious skills and talent.”

OK, I’ll buy. And yes, Josh needs to step up the effort, unless he’s injured to the degree that he CAN’T. (which doesn’t seem to be the problem. Or else Ray might have a heart attack.

BUT, what about an approach that MAXIMIZES his skills, AND Horfords. What about the high-low set you and I discussed, and what about JJ and Bibby actually giving up the ball early in the shot clock. As someone else posted earlier, they might get it back for an uncontested jumper IF the ball goes inside first.

I don’t think THAT would require a “system”.

There are some players, and maybe Josh is one, that thrive when they are INVOLVED in the game on both ends. (Shaq is a prime example).

Yes, most of this is on Josh. But if an effort were made to involve him a little more, I’ll wager that he’d perform better. On BOTH ends.

By Khao$

February 19, 2009 12:32 PM | Link to this

Of course, things look different when the Hawks get up and down the floor. That’s been made clear here repeatedly the past three years. I’m an advocate of the Hawks playing that style of ball. But it’s not going to happen. It’s simply not the style of play Mike Woodson is going to use.

Sekou, that is one of the most frustrating things about our team. Everybody knows we’re built to run up and down the court. Our personel seems to dictate as much. However, Woody is so stubborn he will not adjust his style to fit the personel. Granted, he didn’t pick the pieces. For the most part BK did. That said he continues to try to fit a square peg into a circle. We have no offensive identity. Kenny Smith has begged the question for several years now; what is the Hawks idenity. The way we’re built would suggest we should be a running team. But no, Woody wants us to be a half court grind it out offensive team.

All of that said, our problems on the court stem from the issues being discussed right now in a Maryland courtroom. If the Hawks ownership group didn’t have its money tied up in litigation, I have a hard time believing Woody is still the coach. He knows basketball, no question. However, he’s not the right coach for this team.

By Dick Wood

February 19, 2009 12:32 PM | Link to this

Well Terrell,

I’d rather be winning in spite of Woody than losing in spite of Woody.

Every team wants to win a title - unfortunately, there is only one team that can win per year. Sometimes you have to measure success in other ways - did you improve on the previous year?

LeBron hasn’t won a championship yet - would you say he has had a successful career so far?

By smitty

February 19, 2009 12:35 PM | Link to this

I just want to ask Coach Woodson how frustrated he gets trying to coach Josh Smith who seems not to listen,most of the time.Woodson is in that bind no coach likes: he has a player too gifted to leave on the bench but so stubborn in his ways that he often does the very things that result in a loss in a close game.

By Ariose

February 19, 2009 12:36 PM | Link to this

Sekou,

a few points for you…

1) Josh loked EXTREMELY p** with himself and his perfomance last night from my view(Watching SportsSouth) so I think we should lay off. As long as I know H’s AWARE and he CARES then i’m not worried about it.

2) Or offensive scheme isn’t that good

3) Joe takes too long to position himself to score. He just needs to catch and go.

4) Acie/Solo need PT w/FlipMo YES it’s possible to do that

It would be awsome if you could form my points into questions and ask them to woodson until he actulally starts to really LISTEN to them and put them into action….

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ariose

February 19, 2009 12:37 PM | Link to this

…….And whoever said that Flip Murray doesn’t play defense OBVIOUSLY isn’t watching the same games I am……dude plays hard on both ends of the floor PERIOD.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ariose

February 19, 2009 12:39 PM | Link to this

Randolph needs time too DAMMIT!!! HE’s The Tallest person on our roster and we don’t know what he can do. Somebody slap Woodson!!!!!!!

~Sir Links A Lot~

By darrell starks

February 19, 2009 12:46 PM | Link to this

I dont understand why do COACH WOODY CONTINUE to let joe dribble the ball all day, thats not how you run and offense with ONE ON ONE ISOLATION you must move the ball AROUND and get every one involve that how you score easier point, JOE will score more point that way, AND woody should understand that by now.GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By JM

February 19, 2009 12:49 PM | Link to this

I say it again like I did last year; the reason the Hawks don’t run has more to do with Joe Johnson than Woody. I think Woody would be more willing if Joe was. It’s just not their game. But it fits everone else, even Bibby, just fine.

By Ariose

February 19, 2009 12:50 PM | Link to this

Sekou, Too many times have I seen Bibby and JJ geting constant screens while Josh and Marvin just stand Around the peremeter…….WHAT IS THAT SEKOU?????

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ariose

February 19, 2009 12:54 PM | Link to this

Sekou, Right before the break Josh was in Beast Mode he had at least seven 20+pt games. Amd last night he was great on defense in the second half blocking shots and just being a presence down low.

It’s not his fault that woodson doesn’t have a scheme that involves him.

By Daniel

February 19, 2009 1:17 PM | Link to this

I agree that ultimately a win is a win. I am hoping and thought we were seeing in the first quarter of the Laker game a return to the Hawks early season play. I think that we can underestimate how the injuries and Joe’s illness have affected this team’s play. Now with all the starters back and healthy(?) we can really get back to great team defense and running off turnovers. And finally, develop an identity for this team. Remember once we get home we have a long stretch to really make some noise before the playoffs. I am only nedding two wins on this road trip, although three would be better. BTW Sekou, I totally agree that Josh’s play is the difference for this team being pretty good to being very good.

By Astro Joe

February 19, 2009 1:25 PM | Link to this

Ariose, did the scheme change between the 20 point “beast mode games” and now? Seriously, if we had a different scheme, would we win 10 more games or would individual players look better? Smith’s greatest value to this team in on the defensive end, where “no scheme” is required. Pulling down 13 boards in 4 games has nothing to do with coaching. (And let’s not even talk about his Ben Wallace-like free throw shooting). I agree that our backcourt doesn’t do enough to establish the frontcourt… but that’s on the offensive side.

Yes, 13 boards in 4 games! Only 5 more than Solo over the same period.

Aldridge is as soft as wet toilet tissue. So despite the size advantage, I want Smith to show more heart, toughness and determination tomorrow night.

By gypsyjoe

February 19, 2009 1:26 PM | Link to this

I just seen that the Wolves sent Mccants to the Kings for Sheldon Williams. I thought Mccants would be a great scorer off the bench. Why in the hell could we have not got this guy????

By terrell barron

February 19, 2009 1:32 PM | Link to this

Dick Woody, I guess your’re one of the “very few”, who thinks that ole Woodrow is the right Coach for THIS team? Is it his offensive scheme? What about his player development? Could it be his unwillingness to trust his bench? Or how about his yanking of the players that are actually PLAYING WELL? Maybe it’s just the halftime speeches? Oh, I know, it’s because we’ve won more games in 2009 than we won in 2004. Whatever man. NBA players get better on experience alone. Thats what I see from this group. Not good coaching.

By Ariose

February 19, 2009 1:43 PM | Link to this

Astro Joe, I see your point. I wasn’t Aware of the fact that he’d only gotten 13 boards in 4 games….WOW. There’s no excuse for that. But other than his freethrow shooting, I don’t think his strugles on offense

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Wink from Lithonia

February 19, 2009 1:59 PM | Link to this

Guys, I am tired of all this polly anna crap! Yes they won, quanity is good, but I think quality displayed on a consistent basis is better. Then when that game come along and someone takes you to the watershed, you want see it as the norm.

Sekou - “just the fact that they bounced back for their 32nd win of the season (five shy of last season’s win total) is a statement in itself.”

Here is a statement from the same game…here’s a statement… “when you are up by 13 points with 2 minutes left in the half to the worst team in the league, that is undermanned, *you are not suppose to be down by 4 points at the half, especially if you are the 4th best team in the Eastern Conference”…can say replay from the day before against the best team the Lakers.

Then we say Horford’s double double of 18 / 18 was timely.. man among boys..that cute..we need him to be a man among men alsl; love Horford’s game, but between Horford & Josh against the Lakers we get 7 boards…I believe they were needed then also.

Johnson said. “We have to try and grow out of that. We are trying to be one of the top teams in the [Eastern Conference]. We had to come out and show a lot of character and a lot of growth.”

Yes, they have the 4th best record in the Eastern Conference, but they are not the 4th best team in the East, far from it. Teams below them are getting better and are growing & making moves to get better…we are treading water and not improving. See the Falcons were a better team but they went home early. The Cardinals were a bad team that got better as the season progressed and they went to the Superbowl…who saw it coming! Hawks should check the rear view mirror they have 28 games to get the growth Joe is talking about…I don’t as an organization they have it in them….Give me a break they are the 4th best team.

By RLP

February 19, 2009 2:07 PM | Link to this

Last night while watching the game I was upset because the Hawks were not playing with the confidence and rhythm that good teams exhibit. That game was very important for the teams psyche going forward. An 0-5 road trip could lead to disaster down the road. But upon reflection this morning I had another thought. That kind of game in the past few years were the ones that the team just could not win. They would have folded in the end. You would just be able to see it coming. But last night, while bemoaning each mistake such as the lane violation I had the feeling that the game was the Hawks to blow. But they never did. So out of a very bad performance came the mental toughness that allowed them to win in spite of not playing well. I know that most of this blogs posters will not see it that way but the truth is that this team has shown more maturity than Hawks teams of the place few years. So less us not get too bogged down with all of the negatives.

By Astro Joe

February 19, 2009 2:20 PM | Link to this

Wink, how is winning 5 of our last 7 “treading water”? Do you want to know when we’ll get better? When our top 6 players (Flip + starters) are able to play more than 5 consecutive games together. It’s probably been a 3-4 weeks since that happened.

gypsyjoe, McCants is a taller, more expensive and not as consistent version of Flip.

Do you all know why so many teams below us are making deals… because they’re trying to catch us! I’m not saying that none of the top 4 seeds in each conference will make a trade (other than the Lakers dump of Mihm for a fruit basket), but most of the activity will be amongst teams that are either shedding salaries or chasing the top 4 seeds (including your Atlanta Hawks).

By RLP

February 19, 2009 2:32 PM | Link to this

but I’m tired of all the “look at our record this year, as opposed to last year” s. We’ve been hearing that for 5 years now. Yeah, we’ve won a few more games every year under Woody, but who cares? We shoulda won more. Let me ask you this, if we win 45 this year, 47 next year, and 50 the next, only to be ousted in the 1st or 2nd rd, would you be happy? Afer all, we one more than we did the previous year. I myself want to win a title,**

There are three things this team can do:

1. They can win a title. Do you really think with the ownership group, the coaching staff, and the players we have this team can win a championship?

2. The change their composition - new coach, trade players shake things up. Again with the current ownership is that likely given the economic status of the team? Or will any changes this ownership makes lead to a repetition of the previous meltdown that occurred when the ownership blew things up? Sure you could fire Woody but would we be able to hire a Pops or a Phil Jackson who would make things better or would be hire a Lon Kruger. I suggest that there are a lot of potential trades out there that could make the team better. But given what we have the chances are that any changes they make would actually make things worse.

3. Or we can develop the patience that will give our young team the opportunity to go through the maturation process that has the potential to develop a team with a consistent winning record for a few years that will allow us to hope for a time when incremental changes will help the team maintain a certain level of success.

None of the choices are especially appealing to me. But given the situation we have I continue to suggest that we enjoy the product we currently have which is the best we have had in at least nine years.

By Flappin' Hawk

February 19, 2009 2:47 PM | Link to this

Watch out Portland. Here come da FLIP!!! What’s the big shock about the Hawks. The Hawks are right were we thought they would be this year. Next year is the big one. I hated last nights weak victory too, but no Flip and Josh is obviously still tweaked (ankle and hurt his back in LA). Yeah, they’ll probably loose the rest of the Western swing, but they won’t loose to Miami. GO HAWKS!!

By I MUS WRITE

February 19, 2009 2:59 PM | Link to this

WTF…………. Malik Rose are you kidding me. The knicks just got C.Wilcox for Malik Rose… I mean im sayn we couldnt throw Solo and a 2010 2nd round pick out there for him.

I guess the front office feels like we’re set for the playoffs. That is such BS, especially after the Lakers dominated us both inside and out.just 36 hours ago…….. I guess Chad Ford is right ” They’re still the hawks” when referring to making moves. CASH STRAPPED……..Every time i see speedy in a suede blazer i wanna throw up in my mouth

By Melvin

February 19, 2009 3:06 PM | Link to this

Imus, I got a feeling that Joe Smith will endup on the Celtics bench…

By Melvin

February 19, 2009 3:21 PM | Link to this

What in the heck are the Bulls doing? They traded one current disgruntle Bulls player (L.Hughes) for an ex-disgruntle Bulls player (Tim Thomas)….

Sund, get me Charlie V in a Hawks uni…

By AtlFlavor

February 19, 2009 3:31 PM | Link to this

Joe is tired. Plain and simple. Playing 44 mins a game will do that to you. But its not only Joe but all of the guys who get minutes. Hawks stand pat at the deadline, this is the team for the rest of the year. Coach Woodson’s rotation is more crucial now more than ever. Guys need to heal up. We are a month and a half from the playoffs. Goal should be get to the playoffs HEALTHY. We are not the last team in. This team can really go deep in the postseason. Just have to be smart about it.

By Astro Joe

February 19, 2009 3:39 PM | Link to this

I. MUS, Wilcox makes around $6M which means we would have had to send back salaries in the range of $4.5M to $7.5M. Assuming that the owners prefer to keep Speedy’s insurance checks, what other assets could we have put together for an inconsistent and under-achieving PF? IMHO, Joe Smith is a fair better fit for this team, but again, we didn’t have the expendable assets to get him.

It appears that Orlando picked up Rafer Alston to replace Jameer. That seems to be the most significant trade among playoff-bound Eastern teams (other than the earlier JON deal to Miami).

By Melvin

February 19, 2009 3:46 PM | Link to this

You right ASTRO on the Rafer deal. Orlando was struggling with TLue and AJ at the Point. Just imagine , we expect the Hawks to win with that combo last year and Orlando has the best center in the game and couldn’t do it…

By Ariose

February 19, 2009 3:49 PM | Link to this

I Mus, Solo+ a 2010 pick? Even if that deal could matmatically work I wouldn’t do it. Solo is giving us exellent minutes off the bench. As soon hae he and Acie are integrated into the roster full-time I think you will see our offense gain some consistancy like our defense has over the last 10 games.

Question, How can you play Acie large minutes against thebest team in the leauge, and then only play him 3 minutes against the worst team in the leauge????

Somebody Slap Woodson!!!!

By Harry Hawk

February 19, 2009 4:00 PM | Link to this

Once you start making the playoffs, the number of wins that you had during the season are out the window because of the fact that you get to measure yourself against other playoff teams on the big stage.

When you’re trying to start making the playoffs, wins are a good benchmark to use in order to be more or less optimistic.

Because the Hawks are going to be in the playoffs for the second year in a row, it’s easier for a fan to wring his hands over the flaws that will likely prevent this squad from going very far in the postseason. Why? Hawks fans won’t be just “happy to be there” in 2009. We want some positive results.

By Astro Joe

February 19, 2009 4:05 PM | Link to this

Melvin, I haven’t watched Rafer play in a long time. I hope his jumper has improved because the Magic don’t seem to run all that often. But he is clearly a HUGE upgrade from AJ/Lue. And if nothing else, his ability to dribble/penetrate should create open looks for Rashard/Hedu and even more slams for Dwight. I’m guessing that JVG must have put in a good work to SVG before that deal went down.

By Dick Wood

February 19, 2009 4:12 PM | Link to this

Acie - learn how to shoot and the minutes will follow …

By Ariose

February 19, 2009 4:24 PM | Link to this

Damn, the Magic got lucky just in the knick of time. We still may be able to pass them with 28 games left in the season……

The Charlotte Bobcats Will likely pass the Bucks for that eighth seed in the playoffs. MJ has actually put together some decent moves for once.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By KevinA

February 19, 2009 4:24 PM | Link to this

We should start the 1st and third quarter by posting up Josh, Marvin and Al at least twice apiece. I think this would get their competitive juices flowing early and get them into a better defense frame of mind. Whether we are ahead or benind start rotating the bench in after 6 min. We need a team effort attitude. This will keep JJ and Bibby minutes down a bit and allow them to be fresher for the second half. As a side point when a player like Kevin Martin is to torching us why would you not put in Acie or Mario West a few minutes to see if they can match up with his quickness.

By KevinA

February 19, 2009 4:30 PM | Link to this

Don’t trade the future for short term gains. A player’s prime is usually 27-32. JJ is just entering his prime. Marvin, ZaZa, Acie, Al, Josh and (Childress?) are 3 years from the beginning of their prime. Will Acie be the point guard of the future? We have a couple of years to decide. Until then Bibby is great short term solution. ZaZa and Al will continue to get better. I agree we need a true starting center but I would not trade either of these guys. Our future center can come from draft picks and Speedy when he comes off the books. We have a couple of years to decide on Acie and a starting center. I see no reason to make big deals at this time. 3-4 years from now is the time frame for a big push for being an elite team. This is not a race, but a process. Give these kids a few years with all the bumps and lumps that come with it. We may end up with 8 or 9 years watching a great team in the making.

By Mike is back

February 19, 2009 4:32 PM | Link to this

Ariose, I’m with you this one brooooooooooo.  I think people are making too much out Josh current struggles.  He’s pressing hard right now listening  to all his detractors. That can easily happen to any player, especially a young one.  It’s all mental, it’s compounded by the fact that the offense has no true structure or identity. He’s lost his aggression because he’s too worried about making mistakes. Now he’s looking for the ref to bail him out every time he takes the ball to the rack. Then the free throw struggles started.  He’s completely out of his game.  Basically, the offense is get it JJ or Bibby, and everybody else go for yourself. That’s why you routinely have guys taking ill-advised shots. Guys have to work so hard to score in Woody’s offense, they start forcing the issue.

Josh needs to go back to playing with reckless abandon, have some fun, and forget about his detractors. People need to decide if they want the aggressive player that makes mistake, but plays his Assssss off, hustling trying to make plays, or the current passive player, that makes fewer mistake, plays with no confidence, and has very little impact on the game.  They can’t have it both ways.  Josh will get his MOJO BACK, GET OFF HIS BACK!!! Josh struggles are magnified because the Hawks are so thin at the post. IT IS WHAT IT IS!!!!

I’m starting to think moving Nique from the broadcast booth to bench is the solution for Josh and Marvin. The thing that often got overlooked about Nique game was how fundamentally sound he was around the rack. He had a plethora of moves he use base on the way the defense was playing him. I think Nique knowledge and incite of the game would be invaluable to Josh, Marvin, and Al.  

While Nique may have struggle some broadcasting the game, and that’s an understatement. He’s been right on point with his analysis of the team. Nique recognized right away, that way to exploit Sacramento last night was to post up Marvin. Marvin a ridiculous size and weight advantage on his defender. People keep slamming the players, but some how Woody never figured that out, Go Figure!!! Yeah, lest talk about superstar Kevin Martin, the guy who scored 32 points, man that cat weights a buck 05 soak and wet, some how he never got posted up. 

Why do the Hawks struggle against lesser talent…can’t hold leads…can’t finished teams off…because they shoot to many Daaaaaaaaam Jump Shots!!!  Even when the Hawks have double-digit leads, they still hoist up jump shots, this allows the other team to hang around in the game. Base on Sund remarks, I have accepted the fact that Woody will be the coach, and as long as Woody is the coach of Hawks, they will be the cardiac kids. AGAIN IT IS WHAT IT IS!!!! 

GO HAWKS AND GO JOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Melvin

February 19, 2009 4:34 PM | Link to this

Astro, for our sake, I hope Rafer can’t shoot…lol

By Murphy

February 19, 2009 5:15 PM | Link to this

I’m also told that Sacramento will be releasing Mikki Moore after the Kings were unable to include him in any trades before the deadline. Given the leaguewide need for big men, there figures to be a fair bit of interest in Moore once he clears waivers. Expectation is high that he will wind up in Boston, reports ESPN The Magazine’s Ric Bucher.

The Hawks need to get up on that asap. I think he would be a great addition.

By I MUS WRITE

February 19, 2009 5:20 PM | Link to this

AJ I here what ur sayn with the salaries but it was still a deal that could have been done…………. I would prefer Joe Smith instead of Wilcox any way………… Wilcox has’nt gotten consistent minutes all year becuz OKC wants to go in another direction (youth movement). Wilcox is just like AC .How do u know what he’s capable of when he doesnt play consistently. Wilcox out played all of our bigs when we played them earlier in the season.

AJ- Do u really think Solo is better than that pair……I dont think so

Melvin-Ur probably right ,I would’nt be mad at that -he deserves a chance to play for a title…… Ive liked his game ever since he was at Maryland

Our front office is like a beautiful homeless woman…….You wanna do sumthing but ……….naw HELP WERE BROKE…all of this wheeling and dealing going on and Sund is getting a mani/pedi DAM

By Reggie

February 19, 2009 5:34 PM | Link to this

I wonder if we only truly payed Woody to be a supervisor instead of a coach. That’s what it looks like sometimes.

By Sherewshevsky

February 19, 2009 5:42 PM | Link to this

What are you complaining about? We complain because we want the team to improve. We complain because even though we recognize the team has done very well, and they’ve come so far, and we are grateful, we still believe they can do better. Why do I even have to say this? It should be a given.

The bad news (not so new): The Hawks simply are not yet a conference championship team. Like you said, too many holes, some of which are still unfortunately mental and team structure. For example, 1) we have no consistent low post scorer. 2) We settle too much for outside shots. 3) We don’t have guards who can defend the perimeter. Opposing guards slide by Joe and Bibby with regularity on the way to 4) unopposed drives to the basket. 5) HORRIBLE foul shooting, even with the best foul shooter coaching them.

Don’t know if the Hawks are smart enough to win or if they are so incredibly anxious at the line they need some meds.

The good news: Almost every other team has flaws as well. With the right draw in the playoffs (Detroit), Hawks could win 1st round, with or without home court. Hawks cannot beat Cleveland or Boston. Simply cannot match up with them. Orlando now that they have Rafer? Hmmm, probably not.

Trade deadline: Hard for me to imagine Sund didn’t try to make a trade for a 7-footer for the bench. His statements in the paper astounded me. Oh, we’re sittin pretty. We don’t have to call anyone. They can call us. Geez. Moronic attitude. Miller would have fit in nicely as a starter, I think. Indiana has 4 guys, any one of which seems like they would help us off the bench. I think the Hawks could have done something.

By jimmy

February 19, 2009 5:45 PM | Link to this

It’s been said by many,but never understood.The Hawks frontcourt does not mesh with our backcourt because they are only asked to “GET THE BALL TO JOE” and WAIT.Who wants to watch JJ play with the ball?Put the ball in Bibby or Acie’s hand and let the offense run through them.Joe is not a PG and as soon as Woody realize this the TEAM will become ONE.When I watch the Hawks play I understand why BK wanted to fire Woody.BK had the vision and Woody can’t get it.

By cheese

February 19, 2009 5:53 PM | Link to this

MARVIN WILLIAMS BY FAR IS THE MOST ATHLETIC PLAYER ON THE ATLANTA HAWKS??? this article below says so. i dont agree on that statement but i do agree on other things this writer states. note: this was written last december.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8950878/Hawks-not-title-ready-yet

By Da Real Real

February 19, 2009 6:23 PM | Link to this

Read the blog after my last post and there’s a lot of Josh Smith talk that I want to add onto. I’ve said this about Smoove before on a blog and I’ll just harp back to it.

Smoove has this Mike Vick mentality about proving people wrong instead of staying in his comfort zone or in his box and doing what works for him. He’s a young guy so trying to prove something comes with age, but he’s got to get pass that and I think he will. I do understand the point that Smoove needs to add that mid range jumper to his arsenal but for now I’d much rather have a Josh that can take it to the hole or use a low post hook shot like he had started to do before the break.

I think, when healthy, Josh is better defensively all around (that includes the one on one game too) than some people want to give him credit for.

As for the rest of the team, it doesn’t look like these guys are having a good time playing right now does it? I mean just last night the guys were arguing with each other more and I can’t really recall the last time I seen these guys out on the floor smiling and having a good time playing the game.

By rms

February 19, 2009 6:24 PM | Link to this

jimmy as much as I hated BK for his busted draft picks and his love for forwards, I must admit you may be right about whatever vision BK had. Oviously Woodson didnt see it and so I wish he would have been fired. Unfortunately it was the other way around. At least he realized his mistake and traded for a pg in mike bibby. I wonder what coach he had in mind when he tried to fire woodson. Now it looks like he will be with us for a while which means we will continue to underacheive with this athletic group we have.

By MannyT

February 19, 2009 6:43 PM | Link to this

Sekou, if there were no anxiety on this blog when we won ugly, at least 1/2 of your traffic would evaporate. This and many blogs NEED that anxious tension.

I would bet that your wife would get the nervous what if conversations if she were more into hoops. The next time she talks about something that truly interests her, listen for the extra analysis and concern. I’d bet my halftime popcorn that she has similar feelings about her favorite things.

All that said, her text reminds me of a kirknga post. Gotta enjoy the wins when they come. We have not seen enough of them in the 21st century.

Astro Joe keep rockin’ the blog. You are nailing the trade stuff. Must have had an extra portion of something tasty (cheese steak, cheese cake?)

Only in the NBA does cap number play such a large role in trades. So some of these funky deals are entirely financial. Teams want to minimize their luxury tax payments or get contracts that expire at the end of this season. Look at the bright side, Claxton will be in demand this time next year.

The Hawks were close enough to the luxury tax that taking on extra salary was probably a no no which gets magnified by the court case. We are winning enough that Bibby wasn’t getting dumped for a box of Cracker Jacks.

Sorry Ando—you’ll have to eat that prediction.

Compound that with the fact that centers are the most overpaid position in the league. We were unlikely to find a player that would really help AND we would be able to fiscally absorb unless those Christmas kettles with bells said ASG instead of Salvation Army.

Chris Mihm can go to the Grizz for a can of magic beans because the Grizz are under the salary cap. This was a less dramatic version of Kurt Thomas and draft picks to Seattle when the Sonics were under the cap and Phoenix wanted nothing to do with luxury tax payments.

Wilcox wanted out of OKC. Swapping him for a guy with a similar (expiring) cap number makes sense for them. Knicks get a better player for about the same $$$.

Rafer Alston has been shooting better lately, but he was no Jameer Nelson this season. However, like you said, he is definitely an upgrade on the Hawks PG reunion tour.

Sactown guts that roster like a crazed Wolverine in a fish market. Almost like BK when he first got the GM gig here.

I just want to know which sports owners made their money off repo work and bankruptcy law. Those folks are rolling in the cash these days.

BWAF

By tyger

February 19, 2009 7:04 PM | Link to this

Begging to Differ

The Hawks arent that good, bottom line. Yes, they hover around .500 and beat up on weak teams every other game. Thank the NBA schedulers. Yes, they have improved over the past two seasons, but remember, despite all the glory bestowed upon them for taking the Celtics to 7 games. They went to the playoffs with a losing record.

My point is this: You are not going to reach the mountain top accepting mediocrity, and the Hawks are mediocre. They’ve been in this win 3 lose 4 cycle for the past two years. At some point soon, they have to develop the “killer” mentality of the great teams, where they “crush” weaker opponents and beat the “good” teams home or away. Notice I didnt say “compete” or give a “good effort”, I said “beat”.

This is not your daughter’s volleyball team, this is the NBA. And the great teams take care of their business every night like yeoman. I dont see that here.

By ray

February 19, 2009 7:11 PM | Link to this

Co-sign Astro Joe’s 10:16 a.m. post, and Najeh’s 10:18 post.

Joe,

Thanks the for NBDL link….

Da Real Real,

Josh is a lot better individually then a lot of people want to give him credit for. People always say they want to see him play within the flow of the offense. One problem: the offense isn’t flowing. See A.M. posts by Astro Joe and Najeh. The majority of the plays and shots come through the backcourt. I am tired of wondering why the hell we don’t consistently use our uber-athletic frontcourt. Sure, there will be some bumps and bruises along the way. That’s how you learn.

But that’s growth. Our team chemistry is disjointed. And still we win. That’s why I have such a hard time with the idea of not changing anything because it’s working. What worked against Sacramento won’t work against Portland. This team needs to learn consistency. I realize that this team is still in the learning phase, though. Some things are just painful to watch because they’re so unnecessary.

By Ariose

February 19, 2009 7:26 PM | Link to this

Mike is back, Amen man, amen….your preachin’ to the masses.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By ray

February 19, 2009 7:27 PM | Link to this

I agree with anybody that says Josh has to return to dominating defensively (and on the glass). That’s his particular gift. He doesn’t have to score 20 a game, although he can if he’s given the chance. But his ability to terrorize and disrupt comes from his ability to defend, rebound, get steals/deflect passes, score around the basket, dunk on people….

It was nice to see him and Marvin set it off when the Hawks were actually running the offense through the frontcourt. And every time they did this, those guys shot good percentages. Not so with running everything through the guards. Hello…they’re taking shots from further away, making them lower percentage shots.

Joe needs to say on the court what he’s so willing to say to the media. If he is, then I’m missing it. All I see is pouty and disgusted looks. I’d rather see him walk up and straight slap a brotha in the back of the head as admonishment, then slap him on the a$$ for encouragement (you know, Kobe style, not RuPaul style), than see him flounce back down the court too slow on defense, with that scowl.

Back to Josh…

Get it together, dude. Do your thang, whether they are getting you the rock or not. At some point, they will get you the rock. Until then, make it a personal vendetta against every opponent. Go Ron Artest on ‘em. Block shots into the 5th row of the stands. Lock your man down tighter than Fort Knox. Dunk on people and scream in their faces. Then dunk on them again. And again. Go for every loose ball. Do your thang. You’re the man. You know this. Now let everyobdy else know. Ya Heard?!

By Reggie

February 19, 2009 7:31 PM | Link to this

It’s tough that we didn’t get a big because I don’t feel we have any chance of making it past the 2nd round if we don’t get one. Why don’t we go after Courtney Sims. He is 6’11 245 averaging 23 pp, 11 rpg, 2 bpg and shooting 61 percent from the field in 20 games this year. I believe you can call up a player from a different affiliate, correct me if I’m wrong. Will it happen probably not but I’m just stirring some topics here. Make it happen I’ve seen him some and he’s a monster.

By ray

February 19, 2009 7:32 PM | Link to this

Tyger,

Believe me, I feel ya and all. This team cannot play down to the competition or lack thereof, and expect to continue to win. But bro’ “win 3, lose 4” does NOT equate to 32-22. I tried to apply that math on the calculator and it said “get yo big-a$$ meat beaters off me, fool.”

Of course, I realize you are probably exaggerating just a bit to make your point. Heh. So was I…

By ray

February 19, 2009 7:38 PM | Link to this

Mike is Back,

I’m all for getting ‘Nique away from those damn headphones. I suggested giving him a set that don’t have a cord connected to the broadcast, and then telling him they’re just the “wireless” kind. He’ll never know, I swear…

Yeah, let him work with the young fellas a bit on dunking on people’s heads. But then again, this dude is the one who said that players like Marvin only come around once every 10 years.

Uhhh….we better go with the wireless headphones…

By Da Real Real

February 19, 2009 7:50 PM | Link to this

Yeah Ray that’s exactly my point when it comes to Smoove especially on the offensive end. But a lot of this all go back to what we were talking about on the last blog and the leadership of this team.

When he does start getting off his game, like after a foul call, I’d like to see somebody get in his face and straighten him back up because Smoove is easily frustrated and when he gets frustrated his game really suffers. When Josh is just playing the game and being a beast I think he’s our third best and arguable our second best player on the team. But like I said, he’s still a young guy and he’ll hopefully learn (I’m pretty sure he will) what it is that will make him as good of a player as we know he can be on both the offensive and defensive side. He just has to stay within himself.

By Astro Joe

February 19, 2009 7:59 PM | Link to this

Ray, you ain’t right man. You can’t give our team’s best player ever a bum headset with a busted-A mic and let him babble to himself for 2.5 hours. No man, that ish just ain’t right. Funny as heck, but it ain’t right.

Time for Sir Charles’ apology. I hope it’s better than A-Rod’s.

By Reggie

February 19, 2009 8:09 PM | Link to this

Ray How do you think Nique would feel after he found out! haha Man that’s just not right but it would be ABSOLUTELY hilarious. Also I don’t think you’ll ever find a guy exactly like Marvin in your life, but from a basketball standpoint there’s plenty out there. I must have missed Nique make that comment. I think he could help Josh a bit, I don’t think he should work with Marvin or Al any but Smith could use some mentoring from somebody especially from a mental standpoint, but in that case so could JJ

By Astro Joe

February 19, 2009 8:12 PM | Link to this

Light years better than A-Rod’s. He may not have been accurate with every statement but the sincerity poured through and was genuine. I hope that he gets it and keeps it together. He can be a powerful force for good. Welcome back, Sir Charles.

By Mac-Town

February 19, 2009 8:12 PM | Link to this

Ok I looked at some website and it showed that the hawks had the 3rd or 4th EASIEST 1st half schedule, and during the game last night rathbun said we had the 3rd toughest schedule of any team in the 2nd half.

The stuff we were doing in the 1st half just not gonna cut it in the 2nd half. We were lucky enough to have stretches at a time in the 1st part of the season where we would get ATE by good teams for like 2-3 games, then have like 6-7 lined up against sub .500 teams. We wont have that benefit during the 2nd half of the season. I know the front office and coaches are aware that what we’re doing and how we’re playing now WILL NOT work with our remaining schedule. So why arent there any line up changes, play calling changes, or trades NOW? Something needs to be shakin up WHILE WE ARE IN THE SPOT WE ARE IN. I mean they know it but it seems like they are WAITING until the hawks have slipped to like the 6th seed and are in danger of being in 7th, 8th or out of a playoff spot until they try something dramatic. What poor leadership.

By Ariose

February 19, 2009 8:14 PM | Link to this

It actually was a great Apology….

By Realist

February 19, 2009 8:15 PM | Link to this

Anybody else noticed that the last time the hawks looked REALLY good as a TEAM was those 2 games Joe Johnson was out

hmmmmm…

By otrhawksfan

February 19, 2009 8:25 PM | Link to this

look these wins are giving us the mojo that we can come out of any situation and make a run. Its gotten us another national televised game(lets tailgate and fill the house up on sunday!!!!!!!!!!!!). If josh plays just a lil closer to the hoop and becomes agresive we can start finding other lanes to flash for easy 2’s. and maybe a extra pass for marvin in the corner. good post by everyone.

Lets go hawks!!!! we owe the blazers two from last year. i remember that hero shot on mlk day and b. roy taking over in the 4th. in portland.

By Reggie

February 19, 2009 8:30 PM | Link to this

Realist I don’t consider winning against Minnesota and Charlotte by a combined 13 points is REALLY good. Also his next two games after that he had 22 points on 9-17 shooting with 8 dimes and 6 boards; and then 27 points on 10-16 shooting. Trust me leaving JJ out doesn’t make us better. Yes he could play better right now and get the big men more involved but he is still our X-Factor.

By Ed

February 19, 2009 8:39 PM | Link to this

All I can say is that for Acie to not even get 4 mins of playing time against the worst, (& a decimated) team in the league shows how bad his judgement is. You just can’t do that & expect a player to stay on an even keel & be highly motivated. Without a doubt he doesn’t like him, wishes BK had never drafted him, & doesn’t really care what it does to Acie or the Hawks.

By Hawks Fan

February 19, 2009 9:05 PM | Link to this

All I have to say is I hope the Hawks get somebody for Acie Law IV when they trade him. As stated earlier, his style of play=pick & roll, etc. is not Woody’s style unfortunately. I’ll laugh (but actually cry) when Law smokes the Hawks whenever his new team plays us.
Hope Woody is like Bill Cowher & eventually wins a ‘ship, but is it going to happen? Probably not.

By Reggie

February 19, 2009 9:12 PM | Link to this

otrhawksfan Yeah I remember that game man it killed me, it was a great game though but it was just another buzzer beater against us. You’re right we owe the Blazers.

By Samuel

February 19, 2009 9:24 PM | Link to this

Realist,

You are right in your observation and Reggie you are also right. JJ holds the keys to our success.

I believe that all the press and fame has gone to his head a little bit.

Complain all you want about Woody’s lack of offense but it’s really JJ’s lack of execution that stymies our offense. He’s just plain holding the ball too long. That’s not Woody’s fault. Coaches can’t make on court descisions.

Somebody mentioned Kobe. As good as he is. How many times have you seen him not hit the open man and try to dribble or score on two and three players? Not many. That’s the bottom line. JJ doesn’t get it yet. He really makes it hard on himself. Not Woody.

It’s really refreshing to see you guys’ expectations sooooo high. I’m more realistic. I can see us: holding the 4th spot and beating either Miami or Detroit in the 1st round and losing in round two. Anything more would be gravy and a big surprise. To me that would be progress.

Woody=COY

By Darrin "The Vent King"

February 19, 2009 9:42 PM | Link to this

I hate to say this because I really do like him, but Josh Smith is acting like he has the “fat cat” syndrome as if that contract he got has made he a little too comfy. It seems the saying “an artist is always at his best when he is starving” is what I’m starting to believe is the problem with this guy. Last year when he thought he was auditioning for a super big contract, Smoove WAS the Highlight factory especially on defense and now it seems some of that fire is gone. Hopefully I’m wrong on that, but I truly believe it is a combination of this and the prospect of having to continue playing for Mr. Bad Body Language aka Coach Woodson the rest of his days here and it has Smoove jaded. I really want to believe its the latter and not former because then I can actually accept that. I really just don’t think Woody is the man for this job. His expressions and body language are starting to make it tough for me to even watch the game. He just always looks p**. No fire, no thataboys, nothing just that stupid disgusting look on his face looking like he rather be somewhere else taking a dump. I hope the new GM grants him that wish next season. He has been here lonnnng enough-let’s move on please. The guys are not getting better because of him more than they are because they have Mike Bibby running the show. THATS why they are winning at a better pace, not Woody. He has the same stupid hate for 1st and 2nd year players, stunting their growth and the same unproductive rotation he has always employed. I really believe they win in spite of Woody not because of him. He had me fooled at the beginning of the season with that 6-0 start, but the great Celtic series love shades are off and I’m seeing what I’ve been forced to watch for far too long- coaching dung. They need a far more respected coach with better NBA coaching pedigree they can believe and be inspired by cause they all are just not feeling Butterball head in my opinion. Getting pounded by the Lakers and barely getting by the Kings? Ish like this has been the theme of this whole season and it all points to what I’ve said this whole post, Woody has either lost or is losing this team. I’m down with this squad cause they are the hometown team, but something has got to be done this off season.

GO HAWKS!!!

By Reggie

February 19, 2009 10:14 PM | Link to this

Samuel you’re dead on there. JJ has held the ball to much lately. He still gets his assists but he needs to get the offense flowing. Get it to Horford more especially. When he is on he is a star but he needs to accept it when he’s off and take limited shots. I truly believe he has very close to the talent of Kobe but nowhere near the mentality or basketball I.Q. of Kobe. Also I feel the same way I like our chances of a first round win but I see the exit in the 2nd round. Unless we pick up a big man who proves himself we can’t hold off the likes of the best big men in the NBA. Maybe we could give Courtney Sims a chance with a 10 day contract from the D League. What do we have to lose? We have to try something to get deeper. Right now though we’re the top of that 2nd tier in the East.

By doc

February 19, 2009 10:27 PM | Link to this

glad to see some folks are noting that the offense seems to stop at jj rather than flow through it. indecisive and not as quick as he was earlier in the season. other comments suggest that is still the way woody wants it and there are only two starters and one bench player he trusts with the ball. not sure that is going to make it in crunch time which is now. we will see soon as the team heads into its tough stretch of the season.

samuel that is the best i can hope for as well. i would like to hope we can keep the 4 slot but that may be even too much to expect. i havent looked at our pursuers games left only know ours ranks as one of the toughest in the league.

By Reggie

February 19, 2009 10:31 PM | Link to this

Wow incredible game here on TNT, Detroit vs. San Antonio AI has 29 and SA is up by 1 with 1:30 to go. We don’t need Detroit to get hot

By Reggie

February 19, 2009 10:36 PM | Link to this

Doc Yeah it’s pretty tough. How many games do you think we can manage to win out of the next 5: @ POR, @ UTAH, @ DEN, MIA, CLE

By hawk'shawk

February 19, 2009 10:41 PM | Link to this

been time for woody to go or either change up the offense and the rotation. Joe and bibby shoot way too many jumpshots and not enough freethrows or hardly any layups. One day we’ll get everybody involved in the offense, other than just bibby and joe, they never get a rhythm. Joe bouncy bouncy and hold the ball and pass with 5 secs or less aint no offense,its a Joe show and not a Hawks show. I love Smoove but we need more boards, i know u hate woody and u hate not gettin the ball enough on offense, but everybody wants u to play lights out on defense and cover up for bibby and joe lack of defense, thats why u get early fouls, they at least need to try to play defense to keep their frontcourt out of foul trouble. I dont want u to blast teammate out in public or your coach but in the locker room, somebody like bibby or even big al need to address the problem and come together as a team. right now woody is not doing it, so somebody need to step up and do it, Joe aint doing it. Hopefully after this season we dont see woody at any hawks games ever again. Go hawks, Joe, stop being selfish, love your game but u need to speed up all your dribbling and holding the ball. At least get aggressive and go to the hoop and finger roll, heck slap the glass, we know dunking aint in your game, but get a aggressive and run alil bit, all this walking up the court is only letting the defense get set. We have and undersized front line that doesnt get the ball at least reward them with some easy layups from out running the taller, slower bigs.

By Melvin

February 19, 2009 10:42 PM | Link to this

Thanks to Rasheed, Detroit lost tonite…lol

By Ariose

February 19, 2009 10:42 PM | Link to this

The pistons have lost five in a row……

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ariose

February 19, 2009 10:47 PM | Link to this

We Just Need to take it one game at a time. The only team that is CLEARLY better than us is CLE and we’ve beaten them befeore…..and we play them in ATL.

All of these teams are beatable……..we’re good enough……Woodson and the players need to change some things though….

~Sir Links A Lot~

By bigdave

February 19, 2009 10:47 PM | Link to this

i do blame the scheme… he usually gets the ball on the wing, and is doubled… a cross court pass is pretty hard to execute from this position, especially when the players are stationary and there defenders are sitting in the passing lanes because they can easily play man and ball with there assignment just standing there. our offensive scheme is probably one of the easiest in the league to defend.. we barely make teams work on d..

Kobe on the other hand.. this guy has always been spoiled with talent… sharp shooters, a big that can score in the paint and stretch the d from the outside. its usually catch and shoot for Bryant… or catch and drive.. doesn’t work nearly as hard for offense as Joe…

By C Jay

February 19, 2009 10:48 PM | Link to this

My disappointment stem from the fact the 4 big men were on the market (, Miller, J. O’Neal, Amare, and Chandler), 3 were traded and I never heard the Hawks mentioned in any trade talk. My guess is ownership was too busy in court calling each other liars. They had little or no time to focus on running, building and improving this team. I am not going to blame the GM, Coach or players until this ownership situation is fixed. I just wish the judge would render a decision that would force the 7 plus 1 to sell and sell now.

By Reggie

February 19, 2009 10:50 PM | Link to this

This jazz celtics game should help us see what we face when we have to go into there in a few days.

By ray

February 19, 2009 10:51 PM | Link to this

Damn. I gotta co-sign Samuel on that. That ish was on point. No two ways about it.

Reggie,

You know I’m just crazy. Say what I want, if I got a chance to meet ‘Nique, I’d be delighted. By the way, he said that about Marvin when we drafted him. It was a nice thing to say. But so untrue in the grand sheme of things.

Astro Joe,

I’m just trying to be as funny as YOU are.

Charles Barkley is the same guy he’s always been: genuine and real. Yeah, he made some mistakes. But dude is straight up, no matter how goofy he acts, or how he portrays himself. He’s real, and he’s not full of himself. Which is the biggest difference between him and A-rod. I don’t care for A-rod, talent or no….never have…

By Reggie

February 19, 2009 10:53 PM | Link to this

*bigdave Yeah Kobe has been spoiled with great stuff his entire career. Nique mentioned all that the other night and it’s very true but JJ can still do a lot better job than he’s doing but it’s definitely not all his fault.

By otrhawksfan

February 19, 2009 11:04 PM | Link to this

I wish solo would give us a lil more juice into that frontline. he needs to get going his mins are productable. jj needs to start demanding some things from the guys. i’m sure he does. we can get out the first round i believe that. hawks win in utah and portland lose in denver then win at home vs mia. the clevland game is going to be tough but with the late start and extra rest the hawks pull it out with a josh smith slash to the hoop over tha king!!!!

By Melvin

February 19, 2009 11:12 PM | Link to this

Out of the Hawks, Philly, Detroit and Miami. I think Philly has the easiest schedule…

By Samuel

February 19, 2009 11:15 PM | Link to this

If we can manage 2-3 it’ll be good. We can steal one in either of the next 3 and win 1 of 2 at home. We owe Miami. Looks like they are still not sold on Beasley. He didn’t get the start the other night despite the Marion trade and JO is iffy at best.

Ando,

Check my math but it looks like we are up 3.5 and 4.5 over the 5,6, and 7 spots.

Fire Spoe, Curry and Leo

By Reggie

February 19, 2009 11:20 PM | Link to this

Ray Yeah I know I would be quite delighted as well. Marvin has some unique things (goofiness). No he really does have some good things about his games and he COULD be an all star by the time he’s done but he will never live up to the hype from when he was drafted. He’s not a bust but he’s not spectacular either, just a solid starting forward in the NBA. Also nice analysis on Chuck and A-Fraud otrhawksfan Don’t get carried away with the predictions my man. but it’s not a bad thing to be optimistic. Most of us on here can’t say we use optimism much. haha C’s are looking good vs. the Jazz.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 19, 2009 11:44 PM | Link to this

Detroit lost again (what is with that team anyway?) which means more good news for the Hawks.

To be honest, if they weren’t competing with the Hawks for the #4 spot I would be pulling for them to win. I’ve always been a fan of Allen Iverson, and I’d like to see him get a ring on his own merit (instead of riding coattails at the end of his career Gary Payton style). But the way the Hawks are playing, the more cushion they have the better.

Murphy pointed out that Sacramento waived Mikki Moore. Moore is skinny and won’t provide much beef inside to guard the Dwight Howards of the world, but he will come in and provide some of the energy that Josh Childress used to provide off the bench last year, by getting those loose balls, offensive boards, etc. It wouldn’t take more than a minimum salary deal to get him for the rest of the season, so it would be smart for the Hawks to go after him…

By Reggie

February 19, 2009 11:52 PM | Link to this

hmmmm KG just went down and it didn’t look too good but no info on it at all.

By Melvin

February 20, 2009 12:02 AM | Link to this

Man, that Belkin is a savvy crook i meant businessman…

By rms

February 20, 2009 12:04 AM | Link to this

I am watching this Celtics-Jazz game and just watching D. Williams even when he dribbles the ball up court he does it with style and confidence, something Law doesn’t do. I change my situation and say we stick with Bibby a few more years. I like how he is at least a threat to shoot it and sometimes drive it in the middle. A better offensive minded coach will do us real good. We are an uptempo team that is good at attacking the rim, not a half-court team that run iso-plays. We are not a jump-shooting team, at least consistently we are not. So its like when we shoot good we win and everbody looks good and when we dont shoot bad everybody looks bad, so lets try something else. Like Aroise would say Somebody slap Woody

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 12:07 AM | Link to this

Man KG is in HORRIBLE pain. This is really bad. You never hope for an injury like this to benefit our team. This hurts the NBA if he’s out. I enjoy watching him even though i don’t necessarily like him. This could be bad. Maybe an ACL tear.

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 12:13 AM | Link to this

Scratch that. KG is a tough guy. The TNT guys were saying it could be real bad and he’s back out there before anybody for a shoot around at the half. WOW

By ray

February 20, 2009 12:18 AM | Link to this

Najeh,

Detroit is struggling with it’s identity under a rookie HC. Because of the tools they have, they can’t be taken lightly, but they have identity/chemistry issues for sure. That’s a playoff team we can beat. Dare I say we should even be able to out-coach them?

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 12:20 AM | Link to this

Strained right knee is the injury.

By ray

February 20, 2009 12:21 AM | Link to this

Reggie,

KG is definitley a tough guy. But it seems to be a trend with the Celts. Remember Paul Pierce acting like he was about to die, then coming back out the tunnel, dancing like Rocky Balboa? I’m just sayin’, lol!

Najeh,

Good point that does get overlooked: The trade deadline has passed, but that does not prevent any team, Hawks included, from picking up guys that are waived or simply looking for work. And depth is depth, regardless of whether or not Woody plays the guy right away or not….

cough, cough…ahem…new Hawks Hacks blog up…

By Mike is back

February 20, 2009 12:44 AM | Link to this

Ray, that was funny assss heeell, “Ying Right Man!!!  Dam I thought he was getting better. Heh heh  

On a serious note,  I disagree that Nique can’t help Marvin and Al, he has made numerous observation about Marvin and Al games, he’s usually  right on point.  He played against the best, and he brought his lunch bucket and hardhat to every game.  That was his trademark, and that is what is missing from this team. You never mind plucking some dollars down for the Hawks back than, because you knew Nique would put on a show when the Big boys were in town. I still remember when Nique dunk on Detroit whole team. Leave’em alone Ray!!  

I gotta admit those bro, you got my nomination for blogger of year after that one. U DA MAN DAWGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!  

GO NIQUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Heh heh

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 12:50 AM | Link to this

*Ray out coached? Don’t get carried away now! haha Yeah I remember that and loved Justin Timberlake’s song about it in the Espy’s it was great. I don’t think KG would pull that off though, well hopefully not.

By ray

February 20, 2009 1:20 AM | Link to this

Mike,

Nah, really, I believe ‘Nique could help. I don’t know why he’s not allowed to. Somebody knows something we don’t, or just feels differently about it. I know dude was explose going to the hole and would dunk on anybody.

Watching Kirilenko go to the basket and hit the midrange jumper against the Celts, I can’t help but think Josh can do the same. Of course, it took Kirilenko a while to get to where he is now, and be more committed/satisfied with his role.

Man, Deron Williams is a pleasure to watch.

Reggie,

Even considering the way many of us feel about Woody (and I’m not trying to get Samuel started), it would be downright ridiculous for him to not be able to out-coach Curry. I’m just sayin’….

By Gypsyjoe

February 20, 2009 1:25 AM | Link to this

The Kings Waived Moore and the thunder waived Sene. two 7 footers please pickup one of them. PLEASE. They can at least stand in the frigin key and stop the 30 layups a game we give up.

By kirkinga

February 20, 2009 1:31 AM | Link to this

Pistons lose tonight and the Hawks pick up 1/2 game.

The Hawks are 32-22 and remain in 4th place in the East.

Hawks have a a 3.5 lead over the Heat.

The Hawks continue to do what they’re paid to do and that’s to win basketball games.Fortunately this is the NBA and not gymnastics or ice skating as there are no points for style,they only care if you won or loss.

The Hawks do have holes, but apparently so do the 11 teams below them. Along with the much discussed holes,the Hawks have played more road games than any other team in the East except Toronto, have had injuries to key players, yet they are what the record says they are just like they were when they were losers.

I’m proud of this team. They’re growing and learning,right before our eyes, an imperfect and often unattractive process, but that is how it is going to be.

Way to go guys! Thank you for your effort and results!

Go Hawks!!

By MAC-TOWN

February 20, 2009 1:36 AM | Link to this

Sekou, do you think the hawks will sign any one soon, perhaps another big?

By MAC-TOWN

February 20, 2009 1:47 AM | Link to this

There are always two sides to a story. The hawks are 32-22 and 4th in the east. Yes this is an improvement over last year. Yes we are doing better than the “experts” said we would. Yes we are fortunate and yes the teams below us obviously have some problems of their own. Thatls very true, but it is also true that we have had a very weak schedule that has turned from one of the easiest to what is now about to be one of the toughest, and the way we are playing right now, we will not hold our own well against this tough schedule unless we improve. All of that is true. It’s delusional for anybody here to think everything is so good or everything is so bad…..BUT…considering we want to be an ELITE team, I dont think there is anythind wrong with the fans and supporters of the hawks to call out and discuss the many problems we have to fix before we can become that elite team. In my opinion, people who act like they have such a big problem when others discuss the hawks’ shortcomings, are accepting mediocrity

By E. G.

February 20, 2009 4:21 AM | Link to this

THE HAWKS WILL BE DEMOLISHED NEXT GAME, AND I HAVEN’T EVEN TAKEN THE TIME TO FIND OUT WHO WILL BE THE NEXT DEMOLISHER. IT’S UNNECESSARY; THE SACRAMENTO GAMES PROVES TO BE THE OMEN FOR THE NEXT GAME.

Thanks Woody!

By MAC-Town2

February 20, 2009 4:26 AM | Link to this

Yes I have a problem when people are happy about the Hawks. It really bugs me how any real fan could be happy with a team that isn’t ELITE.I think people who go around saying they only care about wining should be banned from this blog, don’t they know we don’t like them, how much of a hint do they need to just go away, go over to the Braves blog with all that win stuff.

Sekou can you please ban people who don’t want to dwell on the Hawks shortcomings and can’t be made to believe that 4th place in the East is really a sign of mediocrity?We don’t need them posting that crap about wins, wins, wins! Please Sekou, please get rid of them because they rarely have anything negative to contribute to the conversation.

By dap01

February 20, 2009 7:01 AM | Link to this

ANYONE: What is the scouting report on Sene? Before he was drafted, it was thought that he could develop into a defensive center? Any later scouting on him?

By dap01

February 20, 2009 7:10 AM | Link to this

One thing that bothers me about the Hawks is the fact that there is never word on what the coaching staff if trying to do to help develop a player. What is the goal for AC? What is being done to develop Morris? Who is working with who to make each player better? How are workouts being tailored to develop someone? SEKOU; Does any of this exists?

It seems Woodsen only wants someone like Bibby, a finished product.

By ant banks

February 20, 2009 8:21 AM | Link to this

kirknga the hawks have the 3rd toughest schedule down the stretch, so i dont know how long this 4th seed will last.

dap01 i am not happy at all wit’ the hawks, but i am happy wit’ there position, 4th seed. i can’t get happy when clippers thrash you and you eek out a win against sac kings, but as someone said, a win is a win.

e.g. they play portland tonight. we will see about that demolishin’. flip will be back tonight.

By Astro Joe

February 20, 2009 8:25 AM | Link to this

dap01, interested in a scouting report on Sene? Let’s see, he was a cheap and young center on a team that hasn’t had a center since Jack Sikma. And what did that team do with him (despite his contract being inexpensive)? They gave him a check and told him to leave the building. That’s all we really need to know. Oh and who drafted that guy? Our very own Rick Sund.

Should the Hawks cut Gardner and take a flyer on Sene? Only if a vet like Mikki Moore refuses to come here. And if we do end up with Sene, I wouldn’t expect much more than what we are getting from RandMo (or Speedy for that matter).

By hawk'shawk

February 20, 2009 8:45 AM | Link to this

why not play Morris though? give him some game action, build some confidence and no need to sign another big man woody aint going to play. How about cut back on evans minutes, cause he sucks on defense, fouls way to much and when his shot isnt on he’s really just out there, not giving the team anything. why not give gardner some minutes and let him get some game action. its crazy how we get all these young players in since woody got here and only 3 developed into anything respectable by NBA standards. Something just aint right with that! GO hawks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By doc

February 20, 2009 9:49 AM | Link to this

you know i wonder if dumars and the rest of the players on the pistons are saying gee i know the guy looked like a geke andh he didnt belong but maybe ole’ flip knew how to coach? gee, they are looking sad. that was a move to really help our cause even more so than the trade of ai. this cant be laid at his feet.

agree kirk, style points dont get you anything. right now it is just win baby. i’ll still call it for what it is heh heh, UGLY! just the same, it is a win. like having a friend with a rich wife that is bad ugly, you can call it for what it is but there still has to be some acknowledgment, he might know what he is doing, in the long run.

looking forward to the game tonight and the return visit here next month. telling story and hope there is at least a split, which is what i expect.

By ILL-logical

February 20, 2009 10:41 AM | Link to this

To: Sekou

Re: February 19, 2009 12:03 PM post

To paraphrase Dr. Cornell West, I agree with your reasoning but I disagree with your conclusion.

Look, there is a lot of frustration out there and sports can be a relief for some ( and another source of frustration for others like me). But scapegoating, expressed or implied, doesn’t help.

The last thing this kid or the team needs is for the media to create controversy in a town that is ,shall we say,selective in their in their support of individual athletes.

If there are fingers to be pointed, looking at ownership could be a more fruitful endeavor. And prehaps productive.But I am not unaware of the media marketplace and how it is influenced by ad revenues.

Josh can and will play better in the future, inspite of being touted as the key to success as you imply yet being hampered by a system that asks him to mask the devensive liabilities of the starting backcourt; stand around 20 feet from the basket while jump shot after jump shot is being hoisted up and asked to get the rebound from there against players 2-4” taller and 20-50 lbs heavier.Plus , have a coach who has flat out stated that he is not going to run despite that being Josh,s and others strength offensively.

So yes, I am perplexed that there is, at least in my mind, an attempt to paint the challenges for these young Hawks as being primarily the responsibility of one individual.

By Wink from Lithonia

February 20, 2009 11:21 AM | Link to this

Astro Joe

Definition of “treading water” - doing just enough to keep from drowning. Like getting run over by the Lakersk, because you refused to tread or TRY…in other word you quit. If you are waiting on someone to come save you (Flip & starters healthy)you will eventually drown any way…especially when you decide to quit or in the basketball sence —FAIL TO COMPETE

By Sautee

February 20, 2009 11:54 AM | Link to this

Samuel

about this: “Complain all you want about Woody’s lack of offense but it’s really JJ’s lack of execution that stymies our offense. He’s just plain holding the ball too long. That’s not Woody’s fault. Coaches can’t make on court descisions (sic).”

Sam, c’mon man, you’re a coach. if you had a player repeatedly doing something wrong on the court,

would you not pull his a$$ out of the game and tell him the facts?

If WoodyWON’T do that how on EARTH can he be COY?

Woody needs to do his JOB.

Yes we are 10 games over, but it’s clear when one of his biggest defenders is pointing out an obvious flaw in the offense, and Woody sits on his hands (when he’s not standing, arms folded) that there’s something lacking there.*

By Wink from Lithonia

February 20, 2009 12:09 PM | Link to this

Realist

Anybody else noticed that the last time the hawks looked REALLY good as a TEAM was those 2 games Joe Johnson was out

I NOTICED!

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 12:24 PM | Link to this

Wow Amar’e Stoudamire might miss the rest of the season with an eye injury. I bet the Suns wish they traded him now. I’ve had that injury but luckily didn’t have to have the surgery he had. That’s pretty tough on the suns.

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 12:35 PM | Link to this

Wink from Lithonia That statement isn’t really true if you look at my post at 8:30. JJ has struggled the last two games but there is no way that we look better when JJ is out. He can create shots for people and knows how to score the ball. Don’t jump on him yet, everybody struggles but if it becomes a continuous thing then we might get a little scared.

By JBattle

February 20, 2009 1:30 PM | Link to this

Woody and COY should never be mentioned ever again on the same blog! You must be kidding! I was just wondering who is in charge of our big men? Have you noticed how no one is really progressing? Yes, we don’t have much, but there must be someone who can get every one of our post guys to contribute in small increments. Solo and Randolph just aren’t getting it done….they are like foul magnets, and opponents just lick their chops when Al goes out of a game. For whomever said we should stick with Bibby in the future, you think so? Who else do we have to choose from? Bibby will get his $$ next year, whether it is from us or someone else. He won’t take that much of a cut either. THe Hawks better make some noise this year outside of the courtroom. We don’t look like a team built for the long haul. We have way too many questions to be comfortable with our makeup. And what is wrong with Josh Smith and his FTs? Get someone into his head and straighten this out soon. This is going to put him on the bench if we continue this way. It still looks like Smoove needs a mentor…a hands on no-nonsense pro who has been there. Pay someone to get the max out of #5.

By terrell barron

February 20, 2009 1:59 PM | Link to this

I noticed that too Wink. Not taking anything from JJ, but too many plays go his way when he’s on the floor. Marvin looked like a totally different player when Joe was out. When he came back Marvin started looking for JJ as soon as he touched the ball. No more aggressiveness whatsoever. He was getting to the line at will for a minute there. It’s no fault of his own of course. It’s all Woody knows. Iso JJ.

By terrell barron

February 20, 2009 2:04 PM | Link to this

Garnett went down last night. Dont know the severity, but if the chips fall our way, maybe we can make a run at the Eastern crown. I dont beleive that one bit. Dont even know why I wrote it. Oh well. Go Hawks! And btw, No Oden tonight. Still gotta deal with Aldridge and Priz though.

By gypsyjoe

February 20, 2009 2:33 PM | Link to this

I live outside of Sacto. I watched the game with the Kings up close. I don’t get to see many Hawks games out here in Cali. I was realy blown away by how easy the Kings guards were driving to the hoop. That is why I think we need to pick up Moore or Sene. I know they are not D. Howard but they have 6 fouls, make then earn there points.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Ken Strickland

February 20, 2009 2:39 PM | Link to this

SAUTEE-what do you call it when the HC(Woodson) is standing on the sidelines yelling at Marvin, who was in the process of running the play, “GET THE BALL TO JOE, GET THE BALL TO JOE”. Name one NBA HC that can’t call a timeout and get his players, especially his guards, to run the OFF? If you can name one, I’ll guarantee you he won’t be a HC for long, unless he’s the HC of the Atlanta Hawks.

Our OFF requires our BIG’s to extend too far from the basket to make and receive passes. Otherwise, they have to clearout and stand around to let JJ and Bibby play their ISO and one on one gm. That’s why we don’t get as many OFF rebounds as a team as quick, fast and athletic as we are should.

On DEF, we switch on everything, which is like playing a switching zone. And as we all know, playing any type of zone DEF makes it more difficult to box out and rebound. You won’t see Zaza come out any further than the FT line to pressure the ball, which is why he still rebounds well, but you’ll see Horford and Solo extend to the top of the key to pressure the ball. Woodson blames the players, and just about everything else, for our inconsistency because he’s not going to blame himself, his OFF/DEF systems, nor his equally flawed philosophy.

How can a team have any consistency when you give selected veteran players absolute freedom to do as they please, while the rest are kept on a very short leash and punished for any mistake, or for not acting appreciative of being treated unfairly.

By Harry Hawk

February 20, 2009 2:49 PM | Link to this

Mikki Moore would be a decent pickup for the club. He’d be worth having down the stretch.

By Astro Joe

February 20, 2009 2:53 PM | Link to this

OK, so after 50+ games, the Hawks have decided to send wet-behind-the-ears players Thomas Gardner and Othella Hunter to the D-League. I’m guessing that there are two things possibly in play here. One extraordinarily far-fetched and the other quite likely.

1. Speedy is about to actually play so Sund is comfortable with having an extra “ready” body that won’t have to fly in from southern Cali if someone gets hurt.

2. ASG borrowed some cash from the NBA and decided to invest the funds in actually developing some of their young talent.

Am I paranoid or does it seem strange to wait until 60% of the season is gone before giving these cats some court time in the NBDL?

By kirkinga

February 20, 2009 3:43 PM | Link to this

ant banks, sounds like you’re are expecting them to fall, correct?

Haven’t we discussed how tough the schedule was before? I seem to recall a prediction after the fast start in November that in December, they would come back to the Earth, then it was January, and now some or saying it’s this month or next.

So far they’ve gotten beaten by a team that is far their superior. Tonight they face a team more deeply talented, but missing a key piece tonight. I expect at least another two losses on this trip, so you will not find me hollering when they come. As someone mentioned above, the Hawks aren’t an elite team, so why people are still upset about that, or expect to see a sudden change, 54 games into the season beats the heck out of me.

I’m not sold on the fact that the teams underneath the Hawks are going to get very hot while the Hawks suddenly start to wither under the pressure of that “3rd toughest schedule”. As already mentioned, Detroit is a mess. Perhaps Miami or Philly make a big push. I’m just not yet prepared to buy Chicago, New York, and New Jersey mounting a sustain challenge to the Hawks or on 4th or 5th place in the East.

Philly’s schedule in March looks tougher than the that of the Hawks to me,or at least equally so. The Heat have 14 road games remaining and I’m not persuaded that they are suddenly going to become a wining road team which they will need to become in order to overtake and remain ahead of the Hawks. Detroit has the easiest path and is a wining road team.They are the likeliest team to challenge the Hawks if we look at the schedule only. But they aren’t playing “elite ball” anymore than the Hawks are.

So when we talk about the possible loss of the 4th spot, it’s not just about the Hawks, but the teams below them. I think some of us get eyeball-deep in the Hawks shortcomings on a daily basis, but minimize the shortcomings of the teams below the Hawks. Remember, only the Celtics, Cavs, Magic, and Pistons have wining road records, that tells me that the Hawks have a good shot at maintaining a good playoff position because the field of “elite teams” is small in the East.

So ok, people have done a great job pointing out the Hawks shortcomings, but now need to also account for the teams below and why they can be expected to play at a better clip than they have all season while the Hawks play at a much lower pace because that is what it’s going to take for the Hawks to really fall far.

doc, take the wins any way you get is what I say. A win counts the same whether or not Acie plays, whether or not JJ plays 40 minutes or not, Josh makes great decisions or not, or Coach Woodson makes 100% correct calls all game long.That’s the beauty of a win, it doesn’t make all those type of things magically disappear, but wining does render them beside the point.

Go Hawks!!

By kirkinga

February 20, 2009 3:45 PM | Link to this

Garnett went down last night. Dont know the severity, but if the chips fall our way, maybe we can make a run at the Eastern crown.

Except LeBron is still in great health…lol!

By Melvin

February 20, 2009 3:46 PM | Link to this

Astro, it’s just another puzzling move by the ASG. It has no ryhme or reason….

By Blast

February 20, 2009 5:14 PM | Link to this

On this road trip, I expected the Hawks to lose to the Lakers, and beat Sacramento, but they will lose to Portland tonight because Portland has owned the Hawks all season, even in pre-season, even at Phipps. Portland is just too big, too deep and too talented for the Hawks, even without injured again Oden. Then they face an Utah team that has been playing so well at home, that just beat Boston and has most of their players coming back. I see the Hawks losing this game also.

The Hawks best chance will come against Denver, a team that only has 2 true stars in Billups and Carmelo. Yeah JR Smith can go off, but the Hawks match up well with Denver, so they play hard, that game can be theirs to take. At best the Hawks go 2-3 on this road trip and 1-4 at the worst

I believe Hawks are 1-1 vs Miami so far. This will be an important divisional and playoff seedings game, and the Hawks have to take care of business at home. They got whooped by Miami last game. They need to win this game because no way they beat Cleveland with Big Z back.

Good to have Flip back again.

Yeah, JJ hogs the ball too much. He needs to go quicker once he gets it.

Garnett will be back almost right away.

Poor Phoenix. What else can go wrong for them?

Even though they gonna lose today, Go Hawks, Go!

By Ken Strickland

February 20, 2009 5:32 PM | Link to this

Might as well send them down to get some experience, in hopes someone at that level will put forth the effort to actually develop them. It’s as certain as death and taxes that they won’t get any of that under Woodson. They should have sent Morris as well. This move is an acknowlegement by the SAASG that Woodson has reached the point in the season where he will completely ignore anyone on the bench that’s not named Murray, Evans, Zaza or Solo, unless injury forces his hand.

By kgbsfinst

February 20, 2009 8:06 PM | Link to this

It surprises so many people are sure we will get rolled the next 5 games. For the record, we are 3-2 against those teams this year. I agree if we play like we did Wednesday night, we will go 0-5, but as much as we play down to our opponent, we seem to get up for the big games.

These next 5 games are a good test, I would be surprised if we come out flat. This could be a good time for the “lets see what your really made of” speeches from Woody. Also, I know we have a tough schedule for the rest of the year, but we also have 5 more home games than road games left.

Looking at the standings, if being 10 games over 500 is “hovering” then apparently theres only about 6 teams in the NBA that have good records, and about 10 teams are treading water, and every other team, I guess they might as well give up!

By Nate ArchiBALL

February 20, 2009 8:42 PM | Link to this

Random Thoughts……….

Why is Mario West in the NBA? (I asked that question to a friend and after two minutes of thought he said, “I give up, Why?” —— like I had the answer)

Given the fact that there are few quality Big Men in the NBA, If Randolph Morris could play - he would be playing.

If Acie keeps shooting like he does from the field……He will win the Salim “I was a great scorer in college but not in the pros” Stoudamire Award for the 2008 -2009 season and be out of Atlanta next year.

I now understand why Maurice Evans wasn’t resigned after starting 47 games for the Magic last year. Exclude the first month of the season and he hasn’t done much.

Remind me why we didn’t sign Josh Childress.

Why does a team built for a running play a “Bobby Knight/ Old Detroit Pistons” type of offense?

It would be nice to see ZaZa play like a big man and dunk the ball in traffic.

By otrhawksfan

February 20, 2009 8:49 PM | Link to this

all i ask is that joe makes roy take jump shots with a hand in his face. if they let roy drive to the hoop he will find a way to get a shot up or dish to a wing player. Lets go hawks!! marvin got to have you on the boards big time tonight fight your way in there for the loose balls just like the team did against the pistons.

By Ariose

February 20, 2009 9:17 PM | Link to this

Sooooo, JJ can keep Kobe in check but he can’t keep Roy in check? I’m not even going to argue with that weak reasoning….

~Sir Links A Lot~

By ray

February 20, 2009 9:48 PM | Link to this

Kirk,

So far they’ve gotten beaten by a team that is far their superior. Tonight they face a team more deeply talented, but missing a key piece tonight. I expect at least another two losses on this trip, so you will not find me hollering when they come. As someone mentioned above, the Hawks aren’t an elite team, so why people are still upset about that, or expect to see a sudden change, 54 games into the season beats the heck out of me.

I understand your reasonsing here. I wonder which two losses you expect (to which teams), and why. Or are you just expecting two losses in general, as it would kind of fit with how the team has been on the road this year? I recall you saying that you were not sold on this team being a 4th seed. It was a couple months back, closer to the beginning of the season. Are you sold on them as such a seed now? Is it because of the Hawks’ own ability and attributes, or because of the competition around them (the teams below us in the standings)?

So ok, people have done a great job pointing out the Hawks shortcomings, but now need to also account for the teams below and why they can be expected to play at a better clip than they have all season while the Hawks play at a much lower pace because that is what it’s going to take for the Hawks to really fall far.

Good point.

By rms

February 20, 2009 10:07 PM | Link to this

Ariose Get ready to Slap Woody

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 10:13 PM | Link to this

Blast Great optimistic predictions right there. kgbsfinst Good points there. Many people can only complain. Natearchiball Mario is a very good defender who is aggressive. Many teams could find a lot of things to do with him but Woody lacks the creativity. Ariose Yeah JJ did play some stellar D that night, let’s hope he brings it tonight again.

There is no reason why we “can’t” win this game. We have just as much talent as the Blazers. We usually play well in big games and I think we’ll hang in there. JJ posts up and gets fouled to start off. Not bad.

By KevinA

February 20, 2009 10:14 PM | Link to this

I think we split the remaining games. Tonight we could win by 15 or lose by 15. If it comes down to the last 2 min I like our chances. The one we do know is what we don’t know. If JJ and Bibby play well we can and will beat elite teams. If they don’t we can only beat weak or tired teams if Marvin, Josh, Flip, ZaZa, Al or a combination of them have great games. The fun thing about the Hawks and the thing that makes you pull your hair out is you never what team will show up. We have several identities. The only constant is Woodys coaching. He’ll be mad at everybody except Bibby and JJ. If this prediction is correct I don’t think the teams back of us can win 20 out of thirty and take the third spot.

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 10:15 PM | Link to this

this should be a great game…!!!

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 10:18 PM | Link to this

We have a little fire in us tonight. I like it.

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 10:21 PM | Link to this

Joe first step looking good tonight…

Its the Hawks of the West Vs. the Blazers of the East…..

By hawk'shawk

February 20, 2009 10:21 PM | Link to this

about got a link to the game

By O'brien

February 20, 2009 10:23 PM | Link to this

It is so obvious that the Hawks play better when they run, but Woody continues to hold them back.

Let the horses run Woody! I would love to see the Hawks keep this up for the whole game.

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 10:25 PM | Link to this

WORK THE PAINT FELLAS… WORK THE PAINT… WAY TO LOOK FOR THE POST EARLY…!!!

By Blast

February 20, 2009 10:28 PM | Link to this

Hawks balling. Josh is being a beast so far. But can they keep it up?

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 10:30 PM | Link to this

looks good early.. we’ve started great each game on this trip out west.. lets sustain energy fellas…

By ray

February 20, 2009 10:30 PM | Link to this

It is good to see that management has seen fit to make use of the development league. Hunter and Gardner are two guys that have needed some court time, even though it is not in the same setting. One wonders why this hasn’t been done earlier this season.

Our success so far is obviously linked to the one thing we have not been consistently exploiting: our talented frontcourt.

Pryzbilla has two fouls already and Smith/Horford are making it hard to take shots inside for the most part. Unfortunately, failing defense from our starting guards is accounting for some easy looks for guys like Blake.

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 10:31 PM | Link to this

Joe might flirt with a triple double tonight…

im on record…

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 10:32 PM | Link to this

Joe might have a triple double tonight. 3 points, 4 boards, and 5 dishes early.

By ray

February 20, 2009 10:34 PM | Link to this

Aldridge is such a tough matchup. Even for the electric Smith. He’s so long, and he’s 6’11 to boot.

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 10:34 PM | Link to this

only Woody would call a TO with .9 left…

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 10:36 PM | Link to this

WOW! Did you see Woody actually make a play there? Bibby was walking away before he even finished though. I guess he didn’t even believe in what he was doing.

By Ariose

February 20, 2009 10:38 PM | Link to this

rms, lol hopefully we won’t have to tonight heh.

Reggie, JJ’s D is one thing we can rest assured in tonight.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 10:38 PM | Link to this

bigdave you beat me to the triple double comment first man. haha

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 20, 2009 10:40 PM | Link to this

It’s still very early in this game, and the Hawks did look good for about eight minutes against the Lakers before collapsing, but they are really looking like a playoff team tonight. Aside from the offensive boards they are giving up, they are playing about as well as they are capable of playing. Posting up Josh Smith in the first quarter resulted in good things again and again. Let’s hope they don’t go away from that strategy.

By kgbsfinst

February 20, 2009 10:40 PM | Link to this

Great first quarter minus the last minute. I love to see Josh post, and he was drawing a double team. I hope they use a two man game with Joe or Mike. We got to stop Lamarcus, Solo would be a better fit to help than ZaZa.

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 10:42 PM | Link to this

good to see Joe standing and cheering on the bench, anticipating a made wide open 3 on Mo Evans attempt… hope the guys who question his enthusiasm saw that…

By ray

February 20, 2009 10:42 PM | Link to this

Good question. Aldridge is a stud, and a problem for any team. Our 6’9” forwards are tough, but they’re having trouble with his length and energy.

He’s not nearly as soft as so many here thought a year or two ago when Ando was singing his praises…And to think that John Paxson traded the rights to this kid for those of Tyrus Thomas. Holy crap, even Billy Knight wouldn’t have done that…

By Hms

February 20, 2009 10:45 PM | Link to this

Mike Woodson looked like a complete moron during that Hawk Squawk interview moment. I still cannot stand Billy Knight for hiring this boob.

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 10:45 PM | Link to this

Horford looks really sloppy tonight for some reason.

By ray

February 20, 2009 10:46 PM | Link to this

BigDave,

A lot of times we just play better with JJ having triple double-type nights. It gets the other guys involved and diversifies the offense.

By ray

February 20, 2009 10:52 PM | Link to this

Hawks have to block out better, fight harder on the boards. These second chance points by the Blazers are hurting us.

We could really use Solo here, as Pachulia is solid, but not athletic or quick enough to keep up.

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 10:53 PM | Link to this

i remember when we use to hit the offensive glass like them… o.. the days of the BASELINE BUM!!

By Ariose

February 20, 2009 10:54 PM | Link to this

SOLO SIGHTING!!!!!!!!

By ray

February 20, 2009 10:55 PM | Link to this

Bibby is rolling, and JJ is heating up. The team as a whole is shooting well.

Good move by Woody to get the quicker, more energetic Solo into the game. He’s already paying dividends on the boards on both ends.

By ray

February 20, 2009 10:59 PM | Link to this

This is Bibby’s true game, the game that he brought with him from Arizona: the midrange jumper.

We have to keep our energy up, though, and not forget our forwards…

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 10:59 PM | Link to this

exactly ray,

but more importantly it tells me that the other players on the floor are moving when the defense brings help over or when joe is iso’ed on a defender…

notice how Josh stood stationary on Joe’s last attempt he was forced to take a jumper… Solo boarded the miss.. Joe got it back.. Josh cut to the paint right in front of the free throw line… the defense collapsed and he found a wide open Flip in the corner… thats good offense…

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 11:02 PM | Link to this

An absolute bone headed play.

By Blast

February 20, 2009 11:03 PM | Link to this

Mo Evans, that was a dumb play. You cannot foul a guy shooting from that far away. You do it all the time!

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 11:03 PM | Link to this

u only see fouls like the one Moe just committed in video games.. c’mon Moe on the half court heave…?

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 11:05 PM | Link to this

wow.. he missed two gifts at the line… they are definitely the Hawks of the west…

could prove costly…

By rms

February 20, 2009 11:09 PM | Link to this

Maybe we really wont have to slap Woody he doing ok tonight. Now is not the time to be playing bench players, the lineup we got now is playing with intensity and stroking the J. We might have to slap Mo Evans for that stupid foul at the end of the half.

By kgbsfinst

February 20, 2009 11:09 PM | Link to this

wow, that half seemed to go fast! I know we are down 2, but I think we are playing pretty good. Solo gave us better board play and I hope he gets more PT in the second half. Portland’s bigs are playing well, I don’t think they are missing Oden tonight. Every time Outlaw gets the ball, I shiver, he seems to kill the Hawks. I’m betting this games going down to the wire!

By KevinA

February 20, 2009 11:14 PM | Link to this

Bibby is one of those tear your hair out players. To slow and can’t defend but shoots great and has good court savy. We love him when we win but to easy to point out his faults when he is having an off night. I am becoming more impressed with his road play. A true vet. The best we have on the road.

By ray

February 20, 2009 11:14 PM | Link to this

Well this one has indeed turned into a dandy. Hawks have to come back even hungrier in the second half, as the Blazers will be looking to come out quick, hit us in the mouth, and glide out with the win.

We can’t let that happen. We’re a match or better than them in every category except steals, turnovers, and offensive rebounds. The turnovers (they only have 3, we have 8) and the offensive boards (they have 10, we have 5) are the difference makers. Blake doesn’t miss those three free throws (wow, has he been attending Hawks practices or something?) and it’s a 5 point game, which becomes a double figure deficit if they get out to a quick 3rd quarter start.

bigdave,

Very good point. I’m sure Astro Joe and MannyT would agree as heartily as I do. Childress would be very, very handy in his usual role.

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 11:16 PM | Link to this

kgbsfinst Lets hope that it doesn’t come down to the wire because that didn’t work out last year too well for us. But the Hawks are a different team this year and we look pretty good tonight and especially when Smoove is moving around in the paint.

By Blast

February 20, 2009 11:17 PM | Link to this

If the Blazers keep beating the Hawks on offensive rebounds and 2nd chance points from them, the Hawks are gonna lose this game.

By Ariose

February 20, 2009 11:20 PM | Link to this

rms, I’ll defently go along with that….Somebody Smack Mo Evans!!!!

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Blast

February 20, 2009 11:22 PM | Link to this

Blake has that deadly assasin look in his eyes tonight, man.

By ray

February 20, 2009 11:23 PM | Link to this

rms,

What’s with all the slapping? Lol!

‘Nique doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He says Bibby has been shooting like this all year long. No he has NOT. He’s been shooting well, but he has not been shooting as much from mid-range for most of the season (as he has the last few games). Earlier in the season, he was taking 50% of his shots from beyond the arc. Only now is he taking just 41% of his shots from that range (still too many).

Good grief, the man is on the sidelines for every game all season long, and he still is calling it wrong???

By ray

February 20, 2009 11:25 PM | Link to this

Blast,

That about sums it up. Aldridge came to play tonight. He’s killing us.

Joe just got punked badly…Right after Josh and Al traded blocks on Aldridge.

Joe comes back with the 3 ball..

By Blast

February 20, 2009 11:28 PM | Link to this

I hope free throws don’t end up costing Hawks tonite.

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 11:29 PM | Link to this

Lamarcus is a young Sheed or David Robinson…

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 11:30 PM | Link to this

Wow right now I have no negative comments about the hawks, only positive ones about the Blazers.

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 11:31 PM | Link to this

Pryz turned out to be a good big…

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 11:31 PM | Link to this

It’s interesting that in the the 5 minutes Joe didn’t play the hawks were -12.

By 404atlhoops

February 20, 2009 11:31 PM | Link to this

This is a hell of game. The Hawks have no answer for Roy and Aldridge. If the Hawks don’t start playing defense then Blazers will run away with game in the fourth quarter.

By Hms

February 20, 2009 11:32 PM | Link to this

I will be surprised if the Hawks win this game. Portland is obviously better coached. Not only do they play ten deep, but their bench players are well versed on offense and defense. Their entire team has four turnovers, which happens to be the same number that “superstar” guard Mike Bibby has.

By ray

February 20, 2009 11:36 PM | Link to this

Geez. Josh wide open for a dunk or layup and JJ pounds the ball, then throws it to a heavily covered Marvin. Brilliant.

By Reggie

February 20, 2009 11:39 PM | Link to this

Hms Who ever said that Mike Bibby was a superstar?

By ray

February 20, 2009 11:39 PM | Link to this

Holy crap. That was the single worst possession the Hawks have had. Everybody standing around, Blazer players flying everywhere, and they get another chance at a shot. This followed by Joe trying to do it all himself, then getting the offensive board and passing to Bibby for the missed 3-pointer.

Meanwhile the Blazers show us how to do it with personnel movement and sharing the basketball. Blazers up 10. It all started right there….remember that at the end of the game.

By Melvin

February 20, 2009 11:40 PM | Link to this

And there you have it….Hawks have a 4 on 2 break and JJ shots a jumper and missed. Hawks get the offensive rebound and Bibby shots a 3 pt shot and missed. Blazers comes down and hit a 3pt shot. 10 pt lead Blazers. Even the Blazers mention how tired Joe and Bibby look and the continue to hoist 3pt shots instead of slowing game down and playing thru Josh and Horford in the post. Which had good success in the 1st half….

By rms

February 20, 2009 11:41 PM | Link to this

Somebody slap ‘Nique I wanna turn the volume up but he is killin’ me!!

By O'brien

February 20, 2009 11:42 PM | Link to this

I dont know what it is, but why is it that the Hawks always seem to get outscored in the 3rd quarter? Is it because the opposing coach makes adjustments, and Woody doesn’t?

Or do our players not come out with the same intensity? Our defense is not what it was in the first quarter…

Although ‘Nique said the Hawks are in great shape. I dont know what game he’s watching sometimes.

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 11:43 PM | Link to this

josh doing a lot of barking tonight…

By ray

February 20, 2009 11:43 PM | Link to this

Josh made it, but I didn’t like that jumper at all.

You know, I get aggravated as hell with our guards trying to play the game by themselves, but I swear….it just doesn’t help when your 2-guard is your leading rebounder..by far.

There isn’t much to be said about that other than it’s disgusting, and I’m not impressed with how bad our frontline is getting beaten.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 20, 2009 11:43 PM | Link to this

See, here is an example of a game the Hawks are losing, but not because they are playing bad. In fact I’d say they are playing better in this game than they did in the win against Sacramento. Portland is just too long inside and too talented to be kept down on their home court.

There’s still a chance the Hawks can win this game, but it will be tough to change this momentum around. If they go back to feeding Josh Smith in the post, and they can box out better on defense, they can pull it out in the 4th quarter.

By ray

February 20, 2009 11:44 PM | Link to this

In fact, Bibby and JJ are outrebounding Josh, Al, and Marvin. Sheesh…

By rms

February 20, 2009 11:46 PM | Link to this

This Blazer team is well coached and they play ten deep. I know we could at least go 9 deep maybe 10 if AC and Solo play consistently. But otherwise I like the way the Blazers play. If you take the bench players the Hawks got and put them on the Blazers I bet you wouldnt notice a differenc.

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 11:50 PM | Link to this

one of these days Z gonna swing on Woody…

By rms

February 20, 2009 11:52 PM | Link to this

Pachullia is giving us nothing. Horford looks like he is intimidated. Man up, guys!!

By kgbsfinst

February 20, 2009 11:52 PM | Link to this

Interesting that Solo hasn’t played in the second half, but Zaza continues to look bad out there. I guess we must be idiots because we thought Solo did well in the first half, but Woody didn’t think so.

By ray

February 20, 2009 11:52 PM | Link to this

Horford takes too long when setting up for an offensive move. He’s got to learn to be quicker off the draw. Either start taking (and making) that 15-17 foot jumper, or all those fakes will continue to mean absolutely nothing to a defender.

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 11:53 PM | Link to this

lets live at the line fellas… here is our chance to get this game… drive the ball… marvin get in the game and drive…!!!

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 11:55 PM | Link to this

that last play for josh was a beautiful design.. ill give credit where it is do…

By Ariose

February 20, 2009 11:57 PM | Link to this

If the Blazers hit 100pts before us…….

By bigdave

February 20, 2009 11:57 PM | Link to this

Horford is what he is.. but a weak offensive player…

WE WANT LENNY!!!

By Sekou K. Smith

February 20, 2009 11:58 PM | Link to this

technical difficulties tonight peoples. Late blog is up. Let’s chop it up for the final eight minutes and post game. NEW BLOG UP!!!!!!!!!!

By Ariose

February 21, 2009 12:01 AM | Link to this

OUR OFFENSE IS TOO DAMN SLOW!!!!!!

By Reggie

February 21, 2009 12:01 AM | Link to this

Game Over.

By bigdave

February 21, 2009 12:03 AM | Link to this

i guess our bigs are boycotting… no way in the hell do we not get rebounds on missed free throws… no boxing out.. lacking focus..

By kgbsfinst

February 21, 2009 12:03 AM | Link to this

I am watching league pass and they have the Blazers announcers, and they are talking about how tired the Hawks are right now. Nate said it in the huddle to his players, they (blazers) need to take it to them, “there too tired to stay with you”

By ray

February 21, 2009 12:03 AM | Link to this

The differences between Roy and JJ, particularly in the 4th quarter, are really something else to see. Wow.

Timeout, huh? And what good will that do.

Roy has already shown that even the strategy of shifting Josh Smith over to defend him won’t work. This guy is a star and a stud. And he’s leading his team to the win.

By KevinA

February 21, 2009 12:05 AM | Link to this

jj is just playing to many min. 6-16 - you just can’t get away with that kind of shooting % with a team thats playing good. Their bench has played 11 min more. Win or lose we have to play the bench more. This effect over an entire season is huge - I know I’m talking to the choir.

By 404atlhoops

February 21, 2009 12:07 AM | Link to this

The Blazer’s young core is more talented than the Hawks young core. They have at least two future perennial allstars in Roy and Aldridge. The Blazers might have a third in Oden if he can stay heathly. I think Outlaw is the real deal and Rodriguez could turn into a solid point guard. I’m not so sure about how Rudy Fernandez will develop but he’s super athletic. Don’t forget Bayless….

By Blast

February 21, 2009 12:09 AM | Link to this

As I said before, the Hawks are gonna lose this game. Free throws killed them, Outlaw murdered them, and they got hammered on the offensive rebounds. Again, the Hawks are lacking of a big time center.

Bibby was great on a losing effort.

Josh seems to be getting his shot blocking back.

By Tangy

February 25, 2009 8:26 AM | Link to this

I know this is late but I was watching SI this morning and I heard that th Knicks waived Marbury.

I know some say he has been somewhat of a problem in the past but he is a pure PG I wonder would it be a good idea for the Hawks to pursue him if they have the money & space? It would give us a fresh set of legs and yes, we have Bibby and Acie but Acie has declined in playing/production and during the playoffs Bibby seems to get psyched out or overhyped and goes cold. This is just my observation and opinion.

~Thoughts anyone~

By TRE HILTON

March 1, 2009 2:44 PM | Link to this

THE WAY I SEE IT, THE HAWKS ARE A TEAM ,THAT DOES NOT WANT TO IMPROVE .NOT ENOUGH DEPTH ON THE BENCH, NO LOW POST PLAYERS .CRASH THE BOARDS, PASS THE BALL & PLAY SOME DEFENSE . MAYBE, JUST,MAYBE YOU GO PAST THE 2ND ROUND.