Hawks

By Derrk

January 13, 2009 10:08 AM | Link to this

Go Hawks!!!

By Ben

January 13, 2009 10:09 AM | Link to this

ZaZa on Shaq, Smoove on Amare. Get ready for 90 points in the paint for Phoenix.

“This dude is just not playing the way he normally does. Anyone can see that. He’s watching the action go by him on both ends of the floor.”

I completely agree

“Johnson’s subtle dig about the Hawks not respecting teams and players is a direct shot at some of his teammates (young and old, starters and reserves) that he feels ease up when they’re facing teams and players they assume they’re better than - Sunday’s game against Philly comes to mind, and I’ll let you choose your own adventure in terms of who he is referring to specifically”

Sekou, the game wasn’t on TV—could you let us know who he is referring to? Is this Smoove also?

By Show me state

January 13, 2009 10:20 AM | Link to this

The Hawks have been playing just like Joe was saying. Some think just because a sub .500 come to town that they can just show up and beat them but in the NBA any team can beat anyone on any given day. The point is that the Hawks need to play with passion, determination and life. They also need to set the tone from the beginning instead of waiting till mid 2nd qtr. to try and start playing. Jump on teams early and often. Regardless who it may be the Hawks need to play hard. They are alot better than what their three game losing streak is showing. Turn over a new leaf starting in Phoenix.

Go Hawks!!!

By Go West

January 13, 2009 10:21 AM | Link to this

I’m the king of wishful thinkinggg

By Sekou K. Smith

January 13, 2009 10:26 AM | Link to this

I don’t think he was talking just about Josh Smith at all. And it’s not just Josh Smith. It’s a team-wide epidemic. These cats have a history of playing down to their competition. And it has to change.

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 13, 2009 10:26 AM | Link to this

I agree completely about Josh Smith. He needs to step his game up. I’m not looking forward to Zaza vs. Shaq.

With the new redesign, why doesn’t this blog’s format change to the same one as the Hawks Hacks? It is nice to see your message show up immediately after hitting “post” instead of having to wait forever.

By richbrave

January 13, 2009 10:44 AM | Link to this

doc:

Here’s the line. Min. Shots FT Rbds. O-D T A
J.Crittenton 17:31 2-3 0-0 1-4 5 4

STL TO BS BA Pts. 3 0 0 1 4

By Astro Joe

January 13, 2009 11:02 AM | Link to this

Sekou, seems to me that your scout friend is calling out our sometimes shot-happy backcourt. Let’s face it, between assists and shots, Bibby and JJ dominate the ball so if there is a lack of ball movement, then that speaks to the stoic one who says his teammates don’t respect the other teams and players and his new partner in crime. And those two also seem to be responsible for our lack of fast break points… we have stopped pushing the ball this season in favor of setting up the 3-point bomb. Let’s face it… our offense has become one-dimensional and our defense has suffered… maybe because the front-court is too ticked off about lack of shots to play the requisite defense.

By cp

January 13, 2009 11:10 AM | Link to this

Josh could easily average 10 boards a game if he ever learns to block out. I realized that in the past he used his athleticism and length to rebound. He has to learn to block out. He could be so much more better on the glass if he did. Even without blocking out he should be grabbing more boards. Marvin needs to step it up in that department too. Marvin has shown improvement in a lot of areas but he still disappears too much in games. We have to get it going on this road trip. If not things could get even uglier.

By Sekou K. Smith

January 13, 2009 11:43 AM | Link to this

Astro,

It seems to me you would be quite right about my scout friend and what he was trying to point out.

By jayL

January 13, 2009 11:53 AM | Link to this

Hey all - just wondering - what happened to the front office dynamic duo of Billy Knight & Gary Fitzsimmons? Wasn’t there rumors of BK going to run the NYKnicks?

By Clarkekent

January 13, 2009 11:59 AM | Link to this

Sekou… the hawks offensive game is bad … Guard on guard pick and rolls and isolation plays for JJ is the only play they run. Why isn’t josh posted more often with him going to his left. sounds like an easy 2pts to me. the way he jumps and a his quickness he would cause fits. Joe needs to shoot coming off those picks also. He dribbles coming off those screens (trying to explore the lane) instead of just shooting. Bibby should be running off picks like rip hamilton. Horford should be used like webber in his later years like when he was in sac-town. Horford can hit that shot from the elbow all game long. our coaching staff does not utilize our players properly on the offensive end and thats why we have long stints during the game when we can’t score, not to mention we dont run more. Josh defense is incredible when he gets off to a good start on offense so why dont we psot him up early and ride his energy?

By daddyrichbb

January 13, 2009 12:07 PM | Link to this

The hawks have about a 5% chance of beating phoenix tonight without Horford. Im eager to see if this team is refocused and hungry again. We will find out, because a loss to the LA Clips or Golden State will prove otherwise. Regardless, I think we will play well enough down the stretch to have a 5 seed at worst. Id like to avoid playing the big 3 of the east in the first round if possible.

By O'brien

January 13, 2009 12:19 PM | Link to this

I agree Astro. How many games have we seen when JJ knows the double is coming, but he dribbles and dribbles and ends up taking a very tough shot. Other times he waits too long to pass, while the shot clock winds down, and then Bibby or Josh is forced to take a tough shot when he does pass.

I think these players are so conditioned from the last couple years when Woody’s only play was “iso JJ”, that they have a hard time getting it out of their system. I give Woody credit because he’s working on it in practice, but the players aren’t bringing it game time.

These players need to step it up, and maybe being on the road away from Phillips will help bring them together and re-energize them.

Sekou, as far as Josh’s effort recently is concerned, do you think it’s mental, physical or both?

By Dan

January 13, 2009 12:19 PM | Link to this

Good for Joe!

I am so tired of listening to some of the guys talk about how this is just a funk. It isn’t. They are not playing hard. And, that is a major problem. You either are giving maximum effort or your not. You can’t just turn it on and off.

These guys have some nerve thinking they can just show up and beat anyone. I love the Hawks, but give me a f’ing break! They have not proven anything, yet.

Josh Smith has been hurting this team. He is not earning his $$.

By champ

January 13, 2009 12:42 PM | Link to this

Not that he is relevant but what is the update on Craig Claxton? Didn’t he pull a hamstring 3 months ago? Am I missing a new injury or is he really milking this for 3 months?

By shresee2

January 13, 2009 12:52 PM | Link to this

I have seen this team grow-up but have not fully matured. I do not know if JSmooth is still favoring his ankle but he is letting too many plays pass by him uncontested. Other teams know how athelic this team is and are now blocking there shots and when that happens they cannot seem to regroup. Too many times I see our guys arguing a call while the other team is already down the court scoring. The first 6 games of the season was won on defense, and teams were not scoring 100 points on them, but now it is just drive on them, go down the lane, or jump shoot they are not contesting shots. This starters are already appearing tired, Woody has to do more with the bench players not just when an injury happens.

By Dan

January 13, 2009 12:56 PM | Link to this

champ

Speedy is not going to play this year, per Rick Sund. Sund told us that at a season ticket holder meeting.

Also, Speedy does not count against the salary cap. I found that most interesting. Can’t remember all the details on that, though.

By Quick

January 13, 2009 1:06 PM | Link to this

Astro, great analysis man. We got too much youth and athletecism to not run the court. And a buddy of mine told me four years ago, ‘give Woody four years to get this team going’. I wanted to get rid of him two years ago and last year. Just seems to me that he aint the motivator he needs to be. We can blame the players cuz they are the ones ‘one the court’ but they need to be taught. The NBA isnt a self teach league. These guys need a director, a guy who will teach ‘em what to and what not to do on the court. I just dont think Woody is that guy. We got good players. We just dont have a good coach.

By Ramon

January 13, 2009 1:20 PM | Link to this

Sekou, I’m curious to know if there’s ANY chance you could get an interview with Belkin. I’m very curious to know what is going through his mind at the moment.

I totally agree with the scout’s vision. Many times you speak of some of your scout friends, so I’m also curious to know in your opinion who are the best 5 scouts in the game right now? Much emphasis and attention is put on the players and head coach throughout the league, but the scouts play one of the most important roles.

By Ramon

January 13, 2009 1:22 PM | Link to this

Doc, how do you feel about Lowe and Cox working together? And also, am I the only one that wish the Braves would consider Griffey before Jones.

By Chea

January 13, 2009 1:42 PM | Link to this

Is there some NBA regulation that states players must use “lackadaisical” instead of “lazy”?

Oh well, I’m just glad Ando isn’t in the NBA lest we hear about a team’s “vapid” and “sopoforic” performances.

By Chea

January 13, 2009 1:46 PM | Link to this

*soporific

but bump spelling

By JM

January 13, 2009 2:03 PM | Link to this

Anyone at Sunday’s game should have seen what your scout friends have been saying. Not only was the their little exploitation of mismatches, there was very little ball movement at all. It was Joe dribbling down the clock or Josh and Zaza trying to force something.

SS what are your sources saying about all the switching on defense that Philly used to score many points in the paint because a guard was covering a big?

With a hot start, I think we have a chance tonight. I gotta feeling Joe is going to lead by example and put up big numbers.

Go Hawks!

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 2:16 PM | Link to this

If the Hawks win 2 on this trip, then the ship begins to sail back in the right direction. If they win 3, then they will have their swagger back… No need to discuss the other options…

By rms

January 13, 2009 2:17 PM | Link to this

Woody= LOY (Loser of the Year) SEKOU= COY(Coach of the Year)

By will

January 13, 2009 2:50 PM | Link to this

The probleming with the hawks, is mike woodson let his starter stay in the game too long and he don’t used his bench enough. Another problem he don’t used his big man enough on offensive.Hawks can be a mismatch for anybody if the coach use his player right. He need to have plays run for big Al,josh, down low. He also need to use more of his big mens on the bench. good teams know you have to work in to out in order to be a power house. you don’t work your big man only use your 3 guard rotation you only make it hard for your team because you are not using all your weapons.

By Astro Joe

January 13, 2009 3:24 PM | Link to this

Ramon, not that you asked but I agree… I’d rather see Griffey in left (with a youngster in CF) than Andruw return. Plus, I think Griffey and Diaz would be a decent platoon. I hope Wren saves money for a mid-season acquisition if the team can tread water in the early going. I love our ‘10 starting rotation of Lowe, Hudson, Jurrjens, Vasquez and Hanson.

By smartguy

January 13, 2009 3:28 PM | Link to this

Have I been away so long that ya’ll have forgotten what a rotten coach Woody is?? JJ and Bibby may have something to do with it as of late, but we have had the opportunity for these mismatches for FOUR YEARS NOW.

Its obviously the coach’s fault. Did anyone see the poll on the AJC.com’s sport page that asked about the coaches in Atlanta? The choices were: Mike Smith, Mike Woodson, Mark Richt, Paul Johnson, and Booby Cox. Most of the vote was spread out, but Mike Woodson received an overwhelming 0.7%. Its amazing that the fans can see what the awful Hawks can’t.

BK did finally realize it, but was immediately let go. Knowing Woody, he has already prepared his excuse of “injuries.” Its just like Mike Shanahan in Denver; he kept saying we need this, or we need that, but in the end he just couldn’t get the job done.

FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL, ENOUGH OF MIKE WOODSON!

By paul revere

January 13, 2009 3:31 PM | Link to this

Medium, Medium Well, or Well, either way the Hawks are DONE!!!

By MannyT

January 13, 2009 4:10 PM | Link to this

The Hawks have played to the level of their competition for a long time. They usually play down to teams they can beat and get inspired for better teams…except for this past week against Orlando.

Until this team learns that earing your keep in sports is more about consistent efforts, there will be difficulties. If the coach doesn’t mix it up when players don’t give that effort, what is the incentive for them to do anything different? Woody needs to pull out a new trick or rotation or something. While he’s not on the court playing, it is critical that he try something different to address the challenge that scouts, bloggers, and basketball writers have seen with this team.

The Solo move to the starting line up could be one of those moves. Kudos for even considering it.

doc from prior blog, I think your accounting is generally correct w/o doing the research. Chills is funny money and Speedy is CHIRP i.e. real money with insurance subsidy. It is cheaper to keep them than move them is cash flow is an issue.

All that said, cash flow issues do nothing for changing the mix of players.

As for that glue guy talk from before, it should be Josh, but I don’t see it happening unless there is more ball sharing on offense. Otherwise he’ll get frustrated. Marvin is trying, but his jack of all trades offensive approach makes it harder for him to contribute successfully on offense. Pro sports tend to lean on people with specific roles, but Marvin’s offense is more of a dim sum deal. Tried drive last time, so next time is a hook or a jumper or soemthing I have not done in the last 4 or 5 attempts (even if it was successful last time.) Marvin IS being more of a glue guy on defense. He gets his hands on more balls and slows down more players this year than ever before.

BWAF

By Sautee

January 13, 2009 4:12 PM | Link to this

Sekou

About this:

These cats have a history of playing down to their competition. And it has to change.

And just exactly who was the coach for this “history of playing down to their competition?

And shouldn’t he be culpable if they fail to take their opponents seriously?

And then this: Even worse, they let those Philly guards off the hook on the defensive end. They didn’t make them work the way you have to with two 6-9 guys on them.

”I’ve heard that critique of the Hawks several times this year, that they don’t utilize the entire floor the way they should offensively because they’re so used to their default setting of ‘Give it to Joe and watch him go.”

It’s a valid opinion. I can think of a lot of ways to breathe life into a struggling team. And one of those would be taking some of the pressure off of your No. 1 option by utilizing some of your other options, not all the time but just whenever the opportunity presents itself.

But Sekou, wouldn’t that mean Woody being flexible?

Not his long suit, eh?

By Ramon

January 13, 2009 4:26 PM | Link to this

Astro, you your opinion is always welcomed. It was really an open question to the entire blog. But I remembered Doc being highly opinionated about the Smoltz breakdown. But I agree with you. I do think Griffey could give some good experience, a good bat, and all for a low price of $19.99. (lol)

By Sautee

January 13, 2009 4:27 PM | Link to this

doc

From the previous blog. You said:

“ray i am giving you or anyone else really the gift that will just keep on giving, but no one here wants to be right as their purpose or do they:”

By kirkinga January 12, 2009 5:20 PM | Link to this

“KC, some people are persuadable. You just have to keep saying stuff over and over too. Then one day, someone else will make the point you’ve been making as if it was their own and then people will say “ok”. So don’t worry. When the Braves play better than expected, all the points you try to raise now will be raised by others as their own and you will know they got it, even if they deny you said it way back when. :) Just keep on making rational and balanced statements and you’ll see.”

So then doc, you said:

“you know ray, a broken clock is right at least twice a day. dont change anything because i bet we somehow will come across something you say is right if you just stay right where you are and dont waver, logic, good ole logic, just like a broken clock.”

LOL, that’s freakin’ hilarious.

I guess it’s like “keep on wearing those bell bottoms and they will eventually come back in style. And the Buddy Holly glasses.

Who knew that kirk had such wisdom? It’s almost Zen!

And that he was such a hipster trendsetter? LOL!

By JJ

January 13, 2009 4:47 PM | Link to this

I think what Astro and others are saying is that Woody is messing this team up.I beleve BK had a vision for this team that is not being put to use.When you got horses,let them run.I know Bibby has done a good job,but for this TEAM to really move we need Acie on the floor.This would take the ball out of JJ’s hand and I believe Smooth and Marvin would be more involved in the offense.I remember when the Lakers were walking when they should have been running.The difference is their star,Magic,wanted to run and I’m not sure JJ wants to.This would take the ball away froim him and put it Acie’s hand.We want a TEAM,not an all-star.Woody,wake up,please.

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 13, 2009 5:11 PM | Link to this

“Let’s face it… our offense has become one-dimensional and our defense has suffered… maybe because the front-court is too ticked off about lack of shots to play the requisite defense.”

I agree, but at the same time, it would be nice if the coach made it a point to get the ball into the hands of the front court playmakers so that either they or the backcourt could get easier shots.

By BB

January 13, 2009 5:26 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry, but when you are getting paid millions of dollars per year to play basketball, there should be no such thing as “lack of energy” or “lack of effort.” When some of these guys are getting $100,000+ per game, there is zero excuse for not giving it your all. I’m sick of this team thinking they can coast through a game and then decide to finally play defense for 5 or 6 minutes in the 4th quarter. As a season ticket holder, I paid money to see these guys come out and play hard. I sat through the losing seasons and have enjoyed the basketball I’ve seen the past couple years, but these past 5 games may be as lazy as I’ve seen them play in years. It’s disgusting to think that I’m paying $100/game to watch guys making $100k per game loaf around the court trying not to break a sweat.

By honest_abe

January 13, 2009 5:29 PM | Link to this

in the beginning of the season when the hawks had that winning streak they ran pretty much the same offense. it was hit or miss on the 3’s but the hawks energy was palpable. the hawks always seemed to dominate the opposition when it came to loose balls, rebounds, steals and defensive intensity. where’d it all go? i think it really does start with josh. he energizes the team on both sides of the court, so when he becomes stagnant the team does as well.

hey woody give acie some damn minutes.

not too worried about shaq as much as i am amare. amare will score 40 tonight, unless jsmith decides to strap on his britches and play some tough d which we all know he’s capable of.

By Astro Joe

January 13, 2009 5:40 PM | Link to this

Actually, I’m not blaming Woody for a shot-happy backcourt that won’t get their frontcourt a fair amount of shots. The last thing we need is a coach who calls plays on every possession… as opposed to letting the experienced backcourt run the offense. Avery Johnson supposedly tried to call plays for Jason Kidd last year. Dunleavy (at least earlier in the season) called every play for Baron Davis. I really don;t think Woody is that type of coach, sure he calls some plays during the free-flow of the game, but ultimately Bibby and JJ decide where the ball goes. I don’t want Woody to start dictating plays, I want our savvy and experieced backcourt to recognize mismatches and the need to feed the bigs every now and then. If Woody has to start telling these guys when to go and how to wipe, well then, we should just go ahead and let Acie and Gardner play in the backcourt for 40 minutes a game. At some point, high paid vets need to do the right thing and stop shooting 3-balls and start moving the ball and pushing the fast break.

By terrell barron

January 13, 2009 5:53 PM | Link to this

So your scout buddy also realizes that Woody cant coach. We’ve been saying that s** for 5 years now. Andre Miller guarding Josh Smith? Louis Williams on Marvin? And we still run the world famous Iso JJ. Woody is clueless.

By Sautee

January 13, 2009 5:54 PM | Link to this

AJ

Excellent point.

By rms

January 13, 2009 6:56 PM | Link to this

I still say “the sky is falling”, “the sky is falling”! Well, at least on the Hawks it is. At least we are over .500 for now and have an entire 2nd half and some change to make the necessary improvements. But of course we wont make any improvements because we that would simply make to much sense. An anybody that follows the Hawks for any amount of time knows that we hate doing things that make sense, it has to dumbfounded and backwards. ALWAYS!!

By doc

January 13, 2009 7:00 PM | Link to this

ramon, they say they are like two peas in a pod cox and lowe. it alone might have sealed the deal …. well that and 15 mil a year for 4 years. though folks are giving wren credit and not to take it away, i think he got burned several times only to get the guy he should have gone for in the first place unless peavy was in the mix if raffy had come back. never quite understood that one, there must have been something behind it. think kirk and i were agreeing here yunel and the other moves he planned to move were not good moves. a good thing that they fell through. in the end somewhat not pleased about the smoltz thing; totally understand it in others.

yes, to the astro’s handling of your question ramon and was going to say the same thing that griffey was more the left fielder. we still need someone to run down some fly balls and unless andruw is down to 210 and on hgh or finds a way to take pharmaceutical levels of testosterone from a physician then we need to look elsewhere. depends on how much green griffey wants for his ego and who we can plug in center field.

yes astro to the wipe stuff and your last point. does anyone see that fatigue is a factor in players not pushing the ball on every possession playing 40 minutes a game? jj comes out flat and blames the other guys and sulks from the first mistake or missed shot which in most cases has been his. i dont quite get it.

sautee, just saying that ray can continue to get chopped by us, but say the course and it will come back to him and he can get full credit for saying it since he always wants to be right, a ruling right entitlement. you know like saying that this team is going to go on a long winning streak over and over until it finally happens. it could be three years from now but it would be right and say i told you so. just trying to help ole ray out.

By Sautee

January 13, 2009 7:23 PM | Link to this

By the way, what happened to the italics function on this blog?

Yo, blogmaster, cleanup on aisle “dialog box”.

By ray

January 13, 2009 7:24 PM | Link to this

Doc,

Read the end of the previous blog and see that I understood your intentions completely. As per your e-mail, I also understood your point and am not offended at all. Believe me, I understood the point. And you know me….I’m going to see humor where others might miss it. Can’t say the same for some. Wish they could laugh more. So much nicer that way…

Astro Joe,

You’re on the money, man.

Terrell Barron,

It has probably been known by the more experienced critics for quite some time (even longer than people have been calling for his head here). Sooner or later, things come to fruition. Not right now. Maybe not even soon. But sooner or later…And as I said before, I’ve seen better coaches fired for better records. Just sayin’…

By crumdog

January 13, 2009 7:38 PM | Link to this

the hawks just need a new coach period. the offense is just stupid. no ball movement, no screens for jump shots and no running game. has mike woodson ever heard of trapping the pick-n-roll to prevent switching bibby or paul pierce and having pierce taking the 16ft jumper at the free throw line or drive to the hoop. this team doesn’t consistenly play with any intensity,passion or fire. get flip murrary on the floor and occassionaly go with the hot hand in the fourth quarter woodson. when a team plays like this on a regular basis thats a reflection of the coach. no reason the magic should have run through the hawks like that, they are a finesse team. stop double teaming dwight and guard everyone else so they can’t get those wide open threes. the bulls use to play shaq straight up and contain everybody else. dwight howard can’t beat the hawks by himself. a frustrated hawks fan.

By ray

January 13, 2009 8:53 PM | Link to this

It all has to happen in the beginning of this game. And it starts with this game. Or it won’t happen. Period.

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 9:04 PM | Link to this

2 wins rights the ship. 3 gives them that swagger back…

By Sekou K. Smith

January 13, 2009 9:11 PM | Link to this

No doubt Melvin. No doubt. But we’re going to see if they’ve got the right attitude early right now.

By rms

January 13, 2009 9:34 PM | Link to this

They dont Sekou! Hawks lose!

By terrell barron

January 13, 2009 9:36 PM | Link to this

Already down 17 points. I see another blowout coming. Fire Woody!!! Cant take it anymore.

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 9:39 PM | Link to this

Another sloppy 1st quarter. Too many flaws/mistakes to list. Plain and simple they need to win the last 3 qtrs of this game……

By Sekou K. Smith

January 13, 2009 9:42 PM | Link to this

Doesn’t look like an inspired group to me rms. Looks jus like the team that lost the last three playing empty basketball. It’s alarming to see how energy deficient this team looks right now.

By rms

January 13, 2009 9:49 PM | Link to this

Acie Law sighting! And he replaced Bibby! And he penetrates!!

By bigdave

January 13, 2009 9:49 PM | Link to this

LETS GO ACIE BALL OUT BUDDY.. GET SOME WORK IN… LETS SEE IF BIBBY IS EXPENDABLE

FOUL ON SHAQ..

By Fritz

January 13, 2009 9:50 PM | Link to this

Finally we get some real Acie minutes. Is there any doubt that he can play this game. He’s the one guy we have (save JJ) who can actually penetrate and dish.

By rms

January 13, 2009 9:51 PM | Link to this

Hey Sekou, Give them a Red Bull since they need energy!!

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 9:51 PM | Link to this

Ok put me on the bandwagon thats ready to FIRE WOODSON. The team finally start going on the off with Law getting to the rim and playing good def and Woody takes him out…GEESH

By bigdave

January 13, 2009 9:51 PM | Link to this

why take him out.. ? the team was actually moving on offense…

bibby pull up.. pull up.. pull up… no penetration from anyone…

By bigdave

January 13, 2009 9:52 PM | Link to this

RMS, U BEAT ME TO MY POINT…

By Ben

January 13, 2009 9:53 PM | Link to this

Great. Law is playing well and we take him out, even though Joe has done jack!@#$ tonight and is still in

By bigdave

January 13, 2009 9:55 PM | Link to this

Saw the same think Sekou, guys just walking around as if they dont care, no energy or emotion…
I saw a little life when Acie came in and forced tempo, but that was it..

By bigdave

January 13, 2009 9:57 PM | Link to this

do we double every big now…? wow… don’t tell me we even doubled Dalembert…

By bigdave

January 13, 2009 10:00 PM | Link to this

There u go Za Za and it looked like they wanted you to pass out of the mismatch…

By rms

January 13, 2009 10:02 PM | Link to this

DOUBLE SHAQ IN THE PAINT

By bigdave

January 13, 2009 10:04 PM | Link to this

when a play is busted or well defended, why do we always force the issue… Joe was denied the ball are you telling me there is no second option on that play…? everyone just stood and watched..

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 10:08 PM | Link to this

The Hawks show some life in the 2nd quarter… Now lets win the 2nd half….

By bigdave

January 13, 2009 10:10 PM | Link to this

Thank you…

No need to double, you leave yourself vulnerable to the 3 point shot… especially against a good passer out of the post like shaq..

Magic killed us because we doubled down damn near the whole game.. these teams can shoot us out the game… better to trade 2 vs giving up the open 3..

By cp

January 13, 2009 10:13 PM | Link to this

Mike Woodson went Mike Knapp on us again. Although Bibby was stuggling and Law came in and was doing well, he yanked Law… Pachulia had a strong first half. Marvin has rebounded well but other than that 3 he hasnt done much offensively… Joe is off. Bibby is off… Law and Flip came off the bench and cut into the lead…. Josh played better near the end of the second quarter but man he has to hit his free throws, stop jacking up shots, and stop arguing with the refs after every call…

By Sekou K. Smith

January 13, 2009 10:15 PM | Link to this

Back to within four at halftime. At least now it looks like a basketball game. The big question is will it last? The bench was the catalyst for the comeback. Flip Murray was lights out and Acie Law IV turned in quality minutes as well. They have to go back to that again in the second half. Use the entire active roster if that’s what it takes.

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 13, 2009 10:19 PM | Link to this

I didn’t see most of the first half, but if there’s anything positive I can see from the box score, it’s that the Hawks have 8 offensive boards already and are regularly getting to the foul line.

They still won’t win if they can only manage 39% shooting and give up 55% though.

By bigdave

January 13, 2009 10:24 PM | Link to this

WOW… WE’RE NOT JUST GONNA DOUBLE, WE’RE GONNA TRIPLE TEAM…

DID WE JUST DOUBLE ON THE PERIMETER…?

By ray

January 13, 2009 10:26 PM | Link to this

Josh is getting on my nerves with his uninspiring play.

Bibby and JJ are not leading.

Law looks smooth and energetic out there.

Flip is doing what he should do more than anything else: dribble, take a step in, and hit that midrange jumper. He’s good at that, and it’s a higher percentage shot (believe it or not), than driving into the mess he usually drives into. Sheesh.

We were better with Law and Flip in there….

We have a total of 4 ASSISTS so far in this game. That does not even make sense, people.

That tells me there is no ball movement. And now Phoenix is going back on a run.

Speaking of “run”, why aren’t we running?!?! Must be a COY thing…

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 10:26 PM | Link to this

Mike Bibby has to play better defense. Plain and simple they are attacking him….

By bigdave

January 13, 2009 10:30 PM | Link to this

WHY DONT WE MAKE MORE OF AN EFFORT TO GET MARVIN INVOLVED ITS LIKE WE TRY TO MAKE HIM BE CHILDRESS… THE KID NEEDS HIS TOUCHES RUN SOMETHING FROM HIM.. GET HIM GOING WE HAVE GOOD NIGHTS WIN OR LOSE WHEN HE CONTRIBUTES.

SMART PLAY JOSH.. TAKE THAT BALL TO THE HOLE…

By ray

January 13, 2009 10:33 PM | Link to this

OOOOOOOOH! Marvin with a beautiful follow-up jam!

You know what? Joey Crawford is just a d!ck, man…

By bigdave

January 13, 2009 10:33 PM | Link to this

why was that not just a delay of game warning…?

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 10:33 PM | Link to this

Josh is playing with a lot of energy since coming back into the game in the 2nd qtr. The team has played better b/c of it.

By ray

January 13, 2009 10:35 PM | Link to this

Zaza is playing so hard, and so well. Can’t do anything with the 400 lb diesel, though…

Of course, it would help if we RAN and tired the Diesel out, but that would be strategic, and we all know strategy is beneath the COY…

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 10:40 PM | Link to this

Joe single handlely push Phx lead back to 10…. Terrible decision making by him at a critical point in the game. Hawks had two chances to cut Phx lead under 5pts and Joe takes a bad shot and turn it over on consecutive trips down the floor.

By bigdave

January 13, 2009 10:40 PM | Link to this

Did someone choke the shyt outta bibby..? whats that on ole boy neck…?

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 10:41 PM | Link to this

Did I see Josh limp off the floor…. hope not..

By ray

January 13, 2009 10:43 PM | Link to this

Marvin is playing well. He’s going to get a double-double easily, but we need some more from Josh as well.

I’d much rather see Law and Murray in right now than Johnson and Bibby. They aren’t giving us anything. Maybe a headache. It’s ridiculous. They’re getting overrun on the defensive end as well.

Shaq can’t be stopped by anyone on this team. With Amare sitting down ( I refuse to put that stupid apostrophe in his name), we should be putting the hurt on these guys.

We need to run Shaq and Crew to death, that can only help.

WHERE IS LAW???

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 13, 2009 10:45 PM | Link to this

It’s taken two and a half quarters, but the Hawks have finally figured out how to double team Shaq and rotate back to the shooters on time. Let’s hope they keep it up.

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 10:47 PM | Link to this

Ok Joe. I take back my comments about you. Even though I didn’t like that 3pt attempt just now. We friends again…

By doc

January 13, 2009 10:47 PM | Link to this

you know it is almost like woody doesnt want the bench to do well.

By ray

January 13, 2009 10:48 PM | Link to this

What is wrong with Joe, taking that 30 footer so early in the shot clock?

I think we’ve found Flip’s zone: midrange game. He’s been lights out with it tonight. Looks much better than accumulating 2 or 3 turnovers trying to drive the lane, right into traffic.

RandMo gets a chance to score. Get them free throws big feller. And show us something down on the block.

By Kevin

January 13, 2009 10:53 PM | Link to this

Sekou,

If Woody can’t call a play for the mismatch what is his job exactly?

By ray

January 13, 2009 10:55 PM | Link to this

You know what? Grant Hill has JJ locked down tighter than Fort Knox. And JJ isn’t playing defense worth anything.

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 10:56 PM | Link to this

2 ill advise shots by Bibby and Joe and the Suns go on a 7-0 run to take the lead. Look like Sekou scout was right.

By bigdave

January 13, 2009 10:56 PM | Link to this

no mins for acie in the 3rd.. would have been nice with them in foul trouble..

By jora12

January 13, 2009 10:56 PM | Link to this

somebody please tell Joe to stop shooting and pass the bloody ball

By ray

January 13, 2009 10:58 PM | Link to this

Yeah, you called it Najeh. Only took two and a half quarters for the COY to figure it out…brilliant.

Bibby is trying so hard, but with JJ lagging on defense, Nash and the Brazilian blur are just blazing us.

We sure could use Law to help slow that down.

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 10:59 PM | Link to this

Agreed Doc.

By bigdave

January 13, 2009 10:59 PM | Link to this

I WOULD SIT MOE AND PLAY ACIE WITH THIS GROUP WITH JOE AT THE 3 AND RUN THESE BOYS OUTTA THE GYM…

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 11:02 PM | Link to this

We got a break from the Pistons tonite as they lost to the Bobcats….

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 11:05 PM | Link to this

Now would have been a good time to play Acie with Shaq on the bench. His ability to pentrate would cause Phx problems, possibly draw another foul on Amare and allow Bibby to rest like Porter is doing with Nash… Dang, Woodson out coach again…

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 11:16 PM | Link to this

ZaZa is battling tonite. He’s been big on the offensive boards tonite…

By jora12

January 13, 2009 11:16 PM | Link to this

Joe go home

By rms

January 13, 2009 11:22 PM | Link to this

Josh looks so much better when he attacks the basket and dont shoot jump shots. Bibby is starting to catch fire now-took him long enough! SO much for Law getting any playing time!

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 11:23 PM | Link to this

Bad call on ZaZa. Standing ovation as he leaves the court. He played well tonite.

By Melvin

January 13, 2009 11:25 PM | Link to this

Bad shot selection in the final min seal our faith.

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 13, 2009 11:26 PM | Link to this

I don’t have a huge problem with Josh shooting that wide open long 2, because he was wide open. But does anyone else feel like Josh’s jumpshot has actually gotten worse since the start of the season?

By Mark

January 13, 2009 11:27 PM | Link to this

Josh Sucks and is not worth 69 million dollars. I wish we could trade him. He can’t dribble, he can’t shoot, and he makes poor decisions.

By Mark

January 13, 2009 11:29 PM | Link to this

Can we get some new commentators! Bob and Nique need to shutup with this the hawks left there heart on the court tonight. Joe has no heart and is only an ALLSTAR not a SUPERSTAR.

By Mark

January 13, 2009 11:29 PM | Link to this

Can we get some new commentators! Bob and Nique need to shutup with this the hawks left there heart on the court tonight. Joe has no heart and is only an ALLSTAR not a SUPERSTAR.

By rms

January 13, 2009 11:30 PM | Link to this

DANG Just when I give Josh a comment about not shootin jumpshots and attacking the basket, he turns around and does exactly the opposite a shoots a freakin jumpshot and cost us the game! LOSER

By Mark

January 13, 2009 11:30 PM | Link to this

It’s amazing how other teams hit their freethrows and we don’t. We suck and need to breakup this pathetic team.

By E. G.

January 13, 2009 11:31 PM | Link to this

Woody still doesn’t know how to keep the players in who are doing well and breaking down the opposing defenders.

By Murphy

January 13, 2009 11:34 PM | Link to this

4-21!!!!!!!! Thats some str8 BULL

By Mark

January 13, 2009 11:34 PM | Link to this

We need a low post scorer. Josh and Horford are the unskilled players I have ever seen. The only thing they are good for is jumping and occasional blocks. I never thought that I would say this but Zaza is our best lowpost scorer. We SUCK!!! We will never be an elite team. I hate this freakin team.

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 13, 2009 11:35 PM | Link to this

At the very least, in the 2nd half today the Hawks began to shake off the lack of energy that plagued them against Philly and Orlando. The box score shows this — 18 offensive boards against a team that starts Amare and Shaq is impressive. Three starters had double doubles for the Hawks.

The ball movement still needs to improve to the level it was earlier in the year, so that the previously dead-eye outside shooters can once again get open shots in rhythm. This can only be accomplished if Woody and the backcourt make an effort to get guys like Josh Smith and Marvin Williams the ball in the post.

Minutes watch: In 6 January games, Joe Johnson has shot 31.3%, 43.8%, 29.4%, 33.3%, 38.9%, and now 19%. Still think the league leading minutes he plays isn’t getting to him?

By Mark

January 13, 2009 11:36 PM | Link to this

This team ain’t worth a crap! All atlanta teams should DIE!!!!

By E. G.

January 13, 2009 11:37 PM | Link to this

I know you guys think I am crazy, but Randolph Morris has a decent mid-range jumper. Why couldn’t the Hawks given him the ball, if Shak was checking him, to let him shoot the two point shoot instead of Josh Smith.

It seems like only Bibbly and Joe Johnson is allowed to shoot the basketball in the last few minutes, and if the clock is running down Josh Smith ends up taking the desperation shot.

I’m telling you guys; Joe and Bibby need to use Randolph Morris of the offensive end. I saw him shooting mid-range jumpers before at the Hawks scrimmages, and he shoots midrange shots better than Josh Smith.

By Mark

January 13, 2009 11:40 PM | Link to this

I Belkin wins the battle with the Atlanta Spirit because this team needs a single owner, not those idiots!!

By E. G.

January 13, 2009 11:41 PM | Link to this

The Hawks didn’t leave their hearts on the court tonight because Woody didn’t play the Hawks bench (Acie and Flip) long enough for them to leave their hearts on the court tonight.

By hocker

January 13, 2009 11:42 PM | Link to this

After his horrible game tonight, maybe Joe needs to keep his yap quiet about the team’s focus. He single-handedly lost the game.

By Dan

January 13, 2009 11:44 PM | Link to this

This is the second game we lose specifically because of Josh Smith’s poor decision. When is he going to get it that he is a liabilty when he shoots and a strong asset when he drives. Joe has to understand that his team needs him to go to the line 10 to 12 times a night. He needs to get into the paint and draw the foul. Right now he is costing the hawks possesions when he can’t finish as opposed to getting to the free-throw line. And for all you stupid Acie Law fans, give me a f*** break. The guy does not know what to do out there. He plays scared. He’s a good penetrator, but he can’t finish. He almost always gets his shot blocked. Anybody that plays basketball knows what I am talking about. Another game we could of had.

By doc

January 13, 2009 11:44 PM | Link to this

nice to see the diesel still doing it.

By Sekou K. Smith

January 13, 2009 11:45 PM | Link to this

Josh Smith shut me up on the glass tonight. And all these Hawks battled back. But Joe Johnson killed them with bad shots down the stretch. He didn’t have it going and they went to him anyway. My scout friend mentioned it and tonight it rang true. I might have been crazy enough to leave Flip Murray out there myself. But that’s just me.

By E. G.

January 13, 2009 11:45 PM | Link to this

MARK

That’s what I’ve been trying to say all along. The Hawks don’t have any low post players. In addition, Woody is too afraid to give Randolph Morris some post up plays to see what he can do. I have seen this kid post up and hit turn-around jumpers on defenders. The worst thing he can do is miss, but I bet his percentage will be higher than Horford and Josh Smith.

By Ed

January 13, 2009 11:46 PM | Link to this

Here’s a very telling stat; Hawks assists = 10! That is 10 assists for the entire team. Another stat; Acie Law 5 minutes…gimme a break Woody!

By doc

January 13, 2009 11:47 PM | Link to this

the guy jj is shooting 20% for the night. we still we have folks tied up with josh shooting the ball. would like to see him drive more only what confidence he had is gone apparently.

By Dan

January 13, 2009 11:48 PM | Link to this

Nice for who, stupid!

By ray

January 13, 2009 11:50 PM | Link to this

Well that was fun.

Obviously RandMo should have been in the game more. He was harder for Shaq to push around, although Zaza did a hell of a job for us.

I was glad to see Marvin have a solid game, and Josh woke up finally, going for 24 and 10. Unfortunately, he did not shoot so great. But his energy helped pick us back up. We need that from him for the entirety of the game, not just in the 4th quarter.

Bibby was making one good play after another in the last few minutes. Unfortunately, it was “almost enough, too late.” I would have liked to have seen Law in the game with him for a bit. But of course, Law doesn’t see the floor again after a 5 minute stint.

Flip played great for us. He was under control, didn’t turn the ball over, and didn’t force the issue. He took what the defense gave him: the midrange shot.

JJ did not earn his pay tonight, point blank. Dude gave us nothing. No leadership, little defense, 3 boards, 3 assists, 2 turnovers, and 11 points I can hardly remember him scoring. I remember the free throws and a couple of one-handed shots. This from our top guy….who incidentally, was in the game for a high of 42 minutes.

Gee, I wonder who’s idea that was…

By HB Ando

January 13, 2009 11:51 PM | Link to this

Sekou’s post echo’s what I cautioned against when the Hawks hit 6-0. The Hawks came out playing “game 7” intensity, every game. Veteran teams know the 82-game schedule is a marathon, not a sprint, and the best teams start out accordingly (there’s a reason old stars like Shaq think in terms of a 50-game schedule, and a focus on having legs for the playoffs).

As it was then, so it is now. This isn’t a team that can take any game lightly. This point was highlighted, literally, 2 months ago, as the Hawks won their sixth straight game and then lost an epic battle in Boston.

The potential upside of this team is not in its world-beating individual talent. This continues to be a team that requires playoff-level intensity to win nightly.

When they show up for a game, believing they are better than that, they can lose against anyone.

So now they are tested, lacking their undersized center, and the developed, trusted, depth to replace his production, in the short term. This is a challenge to the team on the floor, as well as a fair question for the commitment of the front office, as the flaws of all NBA teams are all becoming clearer.

45 games left, and a 23-22 finish would see the Hawks end up with 45-wins. But since the 6-0 start, we’re now one game over .500 since then.

Better than last year? Looks like it. Good as they could be, given the right kind of guidance and support? Only time will tell.

By cp

January 13, 2009 11:54 PM | Link to this

I guess Dan missed the part of the first half where it was Law and Flip that helped cut into the lead.. Nice to see Woodson reward Law’s solid play once again with no second half minutes…. Woodson is a joke…I’ve stayed away from the fire Woodson bandwagon but I’m on it..Certain guys on this team can take ill advised jumper after ill advised jumper, turn the ball over, and play little defense yet get to stay in the game.. Other guys can come in and play good ball and never see the court.He still does not know how to take advantages of mismatches… Still doesn’t know how to involve Marvin more into the game-plan although he was playing great in the 3rd quarter.. I have supported Josh but its frustrating watching him play now. He is in his 5th year and seems to make more mistakes now than he did in his first two years… I just don’t understand how he does not realize he is better when he attacks the hoop instead of settling for jumpers.. Sund its time to do something…

By ray

January 13, 2009 11:55 PM | Link to this

HERE we go with this AGAIN:

Bibby and JJ: 38 shots, 10 of them made. And 12 of those shots were 3s, of which they hit 3 (as in 3-12).

Zaza, Smith, and Williams: 38 shots, 19 of them made. Even with Josh shooting 9-22, the frontcourt manages 50% shooting.

When are we going to learn that this isn’t working? WHEN???!

By HawksFan4Life

January 13, 2009 11:57 PM | Link to this

Josh needs to get UNDER the basket. Thats why he is WIDE open. Set a screen if you are going to roam the perimeter. Best shot blocker rebounder low post player roaming the 3 point line. Not just 1 game, but EVERY game. I just dont get it. Guys have to learn thier roles. Joe call guys out,BUT lead by example. Marvin playing hurt. He needs to sit and heal. Morris might be worth some playing time. Just get tougher. Solo needs to eat a double cheeseburger every hour on the hour. Just too light. Check this, we are not playing bench guys so we can win. But whats the differnce when you STILL lose. Oh well Clips and Warriors are goinggg Downn!

By Dan

January 13, 2009 11:57 PM | Link to this

Wher is that unstoppable Joe Johnson that tanked the Celtics in that game 6 of the playoffs? Has anybody seen him since?

By E. G.

January 13, 2009 11:58 PM | Link to this

DAN

Acie plays scared because he is afraid to make a mistake. Plus, he knows he’s not going to be in the game long no matter how he performs. Acie has enough skill to shoot well, but he doesn’t have enough confidence because of a lack of playing time.

Fire Woody and replace him with one of the Assisstant Coaches; I hope they are not as asinine as Woody.

By amazed

January 14, 2009 12:01 AM | Link to this

U guys are blaming Josh Smith 4 a bad jumpshot late. I agree. The Hawks were down 4 points when JJ came in the game and shot three terrible shots and gave up two 3pt shots. Smith had 24 and 10 and Joe Johnson sucked the whole game. Marvin missed 2 free throws late. Woody once again did the Joe show at the end of the game. How does Flip not play late in this game? Smith scores twice on Amare when he has 4 fouls and then Woodson starts running plays for Marvin against Matt Barnes. The Hawks will never be a great team as long as Woodson and his preschool offense is around.

By Dan

January 14, 2009 12:01 AM | Link to this

I watched the whole game and your right CP, Flip did help us get back, but “major bust” Law, didn’t do s**!

By kwooden1

January 14, 2009 12:05 AM | Link to this

Finally found an internet site where I could watch to game, so now I can give a really assessment. #1 - Obviously we lost because JJ shot 4-21! (Very hard to win, when your best player isn’t playing well.) Acie looked really good in his FIVE!! minutes on the floor. He was the real game changer, Flip was just making shots. I haven’t seen Acie all year, so you’ll have to forgive me for stating the obvious. He’s QUICK!! Very Quick. Got by Barbosa without a problem.

This was a game we could have won, but never got the feeling that it was going to happen. This is going to be a tough stretch for the HAWKS. Defense isn’t that great right now and JJ has to get out of the funk he’s in. JS has some real mechanics problems with his shot, which I thought he really fixed this passed summer, but they are back again. JS also really has to work on getting comfortable finishing with his right hand.

The Warriors are a different team all together, so we will probably see a lot more of Solo. I think a few more of these loses along with good bench play is really going to hurt Woody’s chances of staying around. It’s obvious that bench is not be used properly and Woody is failing at pushing the right buttons to get the starters to play.

Guys, keep working hard!!!!!

GO HAWKS!!!

By bigdave

January 14, 2009 12:12 AM | Link to this

mins. have caught up with Joe point blank period… he has no legs right now… but i would have kept going to him as well.. nobody scored with consistency besides Flip. Marvin had a good night, but he’s still shaky in the clutch..

By ray

January 14, 2009 12:14 AM | Link to this

Better than last year? Looks like it. Good as they could be, given the right kind of guidance and support? Only time will tell.

Better than last year? Yes. Good as they could be? No. Right kind of guidance and support? Do you really have to ask….

E.G.,

Acie didn’t look scared at all to me, tonight. He shot 2-4, moved the tempo up on offense, and didn’t let the Brazilian blur out of his sight. He leaves the game, and Nash and Barbosa start teeing off on us again? No why? Not because they were too quick or tricky. Because they were left open. Simple as that. Neither scored much near the basket. Both rained on us from deep. Open shots.

CP,

You know what’s crazy? Josh didn’t play all that well until the 4th quarter. He still went for 24 and 10! You want to talk frustration, look at what JJ did. I can’t believe it. Dude wasn’t even in foul trouble. Played 42 stinkin’ minutes. Don’t tell me Grant Hill had him by the nut sack all night! He talks about us needing to do this and that, then goes out and does that?? I’m still waiting for somebody to explain to me what happened, even though I watched the whole darn thing. I still don’t get it.

HawksFan4Life,

I would NOT look past the Warriors and Clips right about now. We’re struggling on both ends of the floor. The Warriors can score, and will do so every chance they get. The Clippers are struggling as well, but we’ve shown that we can get beaten by just two players, if they play well enough. Keep and eye on Thornton and Gordon.

Our guys cannot afford to look past anybody, especially at this point. The way we are playing, we could very easily come back east at 22-17. Our guys have got to get it together. So does the coaching staff.

By simpdawg

January 14, 2009 12:14 AM | Link to this

The Hawks front office needs to make a change. I’m not sure if it’s a head coaching change or player change, but I do know this team should be a lot better than their 22-15 record. This team has lost its focus, confidence and swagger, and sadly enough for whatever reasons this team hasn’t shown much heart.

By cp

January 14, 2009 12:15 AM | Link to this

Law scored what 4 points in only 5 minutes. Come on dude you might be disappointed with him so far but with the few minutes he had he produced.. He was attacking the hoop and got to the rim with no problem. Woodson being the coach he is never put Law back in although Bibby pretty much struggled until the fourth quarter.

By chintzy

January 14, 2009 12:17 AM | Link to this

DAN

Give me a break. The guy plays 5 minutes and shoots 2-4. He gave the ball up to Flip because he was having the hot hand. Close your azz and open your mouth when you want to talk.

By darrell starks

January 14, 2009 12:18 AM | Link to this

JOE PLAYED HORRIBLE TONIGHT NOT JUST THIS GAME BUT THE LAST 5 GAMES JOSH PLAYED BETTER BUT HE MUST STOP SHOOTING JUMP SHOTS AND TAKE THE BALL TO THE HOLE HE CAN BE A BEAST IF HE PLAY INSIDE AND ABOVE THE RIM MARVIN TO PLAYED WELL THATS WHAT WE NEED EVERY GAME FROM HIM WHEN IT COME TO REBOUNDING AND BOXING OUT GOOD GAME MARVIN 12 REBOUNDS. GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By ray

January 14, 2009 12:19 AM | Link to this

…….ding….

kwooden1,

I agree. Law was quick enough to keep Barbosa in front of him.

By cp

January 14, 2009 12:19 AM | Link to this

ray trust me I was frustrated with Joe all night as well.. He is allowed to take terrible shots and pound the ball because the so called c.o.y. wont say anything to him..He looks like he has no legs on his jumpers.. Maybe the minutes have caught up to him.. What was frustrating Josh is that he should have had over 30 tonight but those free throws and jumpers hurt..I don’t mind him taking open jumpers but sometimes he has to realize he is open for a reason…The so called c.o.y. needs to get it together.

By E. G.

January 14, 2009 12:21 AM | Link to this

Hey guys, I know JJ didn’t shoot well tonight, but even Joe Johnson admitted there was no way he would be able to play 40 minutes a night and be successful.

So, what is JJ supposed to do when Woody choses to keep JJ in the game even when he sees that JJ is too tired to hit his shots because he doesn’t have any legs left.

By E. G.

January 14, 2009 12:24 AM | Link to this

HEY RAY!!

Who was checking Nash and Barbosa after Acie went back to the bench?

By amazed

January 14, 2009 12:29 AM | Link to this

Does anyone here realize Smith took 2 jumpers because Joe threw him the ball late and he didn’t have a choice.He also shot a three at the end of the 1st quarter with one second on the clock. Marvin and Smith get put in bad situations when they have to shoot a jumper after watching Joe & Bibby dribble for 20 seconds.

By E. G.

January 14, 2009 12:30 AM | Link to this

Josh is a 25% shooter. If I was on the other team, I would let JS shoot 4 times knowing he will make only 1 out of the 4 shots.

By E. G.

January 14, 2009 12:34 AM | Link to this

amazed

RANDOLPH MORRIS WAS IN THE GAME WHEN JOE DECIDED TO PASS THE BALL TO JS LATE. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, JOE NEEDS TO REALIZE THAT RANDOLPH MORRIS CAN’T DO ANY WORSE THAN JOSH SMITH ON THE OFFENSIVE END OF THE COURT.

By Casey Hodges

January 14, 2009 1:03 AM | Link to this

I for one wouldn’t care the least bit if Joe left in 2010. I’d rather he leave prior to. People ride his bandwagon when he plays well for stretches against sub .500 teams, and sprinkle in a Cleveland or Detroit here and there. Not me. I’ve always disliked his game and would much rather see the two guards in New Jersey (Harris, Carter) make the All-Star team, mainly because an All-Star is an attacker, something that Johnson has never done and never will be known for on a consistent basis. How can your “best” player , at the 2 position, have no effectiveness at or above the rim? Can this guy jump? There is no player in the league at his size who is more afraid of drawing airborne contact in the paint than he is, and it sickens me to watch him throw up floaters, weak up-and-under moves, and baseline reverses 1 foot off of the ground. The guy doesn’t even grasp basic shooting fundamentals: a fade-away is a BAD SHOT UNLESS YOU’RE MICHAEL JORDAN!! There is no one in the league who throws up more contested jumpers leaning away from the hoop than him. His nose for the front of the rim is non-existent. I don’t totally hate the guy. I enjoy watching him fight off defenders with his size and strength on the perimeter, but where’s that physicality once you get inside 12 feet? He’s also an above average passer and very good handler. While an underrated defender, with one of the sweetest 3-ball strokes in the game, he simply doesn’t have the get-up-and-go offensively that I want to see out of my team’s “leader.” Also, awful shot selection at the worst times. It’s time for perception to become a stamp: Joe Johnson is SOFT. There. I always hesitated to say so because it’s not in his nature to be vocal, but that fact is now only in conjunction with his refusal to dribble-drive-finish with authority and conviction. While there is basically Dwayne Wade and everybody else as far as guards in the East, I would rate the offensive skills of Gordon, Carter, Harris, Redd, and Rose signifigantly higher than Johnson, simply because these are players who play inside-out, as opposed to outside-outside-medium. Not to mention that Joe is rarely seen at the line unless the other team is in the penatly. Joe is one more awful shooting percentage performance from me calling him a bum. There was an outrage when the scout called Joe a complimentary player not capable of carrying a team on the front page at the beginning of the season. I was one of the one’s who couldn’t agree more. Who cares what Josh Smith or Marvin Williams thinks on intellectual basketball matters anyway? While an awesome defender, Josh should be a leading candidate for Most Unwatchable Perimeter Player in the NBA. I like Mike Woodson, but it is totally beyond me why he allows Smith to shoot jumpers. Ridiculous. Of course the history of the Hawks was altered forever with the Chris Paul abomination (Marvin has improved to about 15% of Paul’s stock.) But, while Brandon Roy is oft injured, I’d much rather see him in a Hawks uniform for a cheaper price than Joe Johnson, although we salvaged something out of the Shelden Williams Abomination part 2. Rick Sund seems to be of sound B-Ball intelligence. Hopefully he is manuevering to part ways with Johnson, because when you look to a point-guard with limited legs or a limited-skilled sophmore power forward for tone-setting and inspiration, you have to look elsewhere for your 20 plus-point scorer. I have never seen a more quiet 20-5-5 guy in my life, as every other guy I’ve seen in NBA history with those numbers had no problem banging around inside. They actually prefer it because they know pressuring the defense is the foundation of winning basketball. The Hawks are better off without Joe. Mike Woodson is clearly a good coach in my eyes, while I can respect how someone could disagree. But how can a general manager not dispose of the main, most expensive cog on the floor when the winning percentage in his tenure is well below .500?

By amazed

January 14, 2009 1:11 AM | Link to this

E.G.

Because you see Randolph Morris make shots before a game doesn’t mean he will make them during a game. If you haven’t noticed he never plays and it doesn’t seem to bother him. He didn’t play in NY and he doesn’t play here that should tell u something. Joe needs to realize that when he has three people guarding maybe he needs to pass the ball to one of his teammates without taking 20 seconds to do it. Zaza, Marvin and Smith were all open various times in the paint and JJ just kept on firing. People talk about his assists. When you have the ball more than 50% of the time that your team is on offense. I personally think he should avg. more than 6 assists. He dominates the ball like old Kobe right after Shaq got traded. What is your opinion on the % of the time Joe has the ball in the offense?

By ???

January 14, 2009 1:16 AM | Link to this

“But how can a general manager not dispose of the main, most expensive cog on the floor when the winning percentage in his tenure is well below .500?” Are you serious? ” Mike Woodson is clearly a good coach in my eyes, while I can respect how someone could disagree” Didn’t you answer your own question. Johnson is responsible for being under .500 but Woodson is a good coach. Who has been the coach while Johnson has been under .500? I would love to hear your explanation of this.

By jora12

January 14, 2009 1:38 AM | Link to this

Somebody should explain to coy and Joe that there are four other players on the floor and they should have a chance to shoot (especially in the 4th quarter).

By Clyde

January 14, 2009 2:52 AM | Link to this

The way the Hawks are playing right now I might have to press up some t-shirts for the second half of the season.

To me I think Joe is starting to wear out already. If our coach would get him at least 5-10 minutes rest every game he would be ok.

I nominate by boy Ken Strickland for Blogger Of The Year!!

By BA

January 14, 2009 3:52 AM | Link to this

I wish the Hawks had come out with the energy that Astro Joe had this afternoon. Dude was lighting this board up!

E.G., I agree on Morris- if the big man is finally getting some burn, give him at least an opportunity to stroke that 15 footer.

A LOT of disdain for Johnson on here tonight, and he did have an ugly game. But after the first quarter, the frontcourt (as I saw it) WAS more involved, and the Hawks WERE trying to run. These are good signs, along with Morris (looks good, at least, to have a body that big out there). Also the defense in the second and fourth quarters looked more like earlier in the year. There are always flashes, but they have to establish defensive consistency.

Look, you have to beat Vin-Sanity and the Sixers at home. There’s no shame in losing out in Phoenix- happens to the best teams in the league.

How good do the Suns look with Shaq resurgent and Richardson at the two? Explosive offense.

By ltdbrave

January 14, 2009 7:28 AM | Link to this

I believe Joe Johnson is tired. He point production is way down. Also, Josh Smith has not been playing with any intensity along with Williams. Josh has been blocking very few shots since his return to the lineup. Basically, they allow teams to build big 1st quarter leads and then play catchup. Joe cannot do it himself. Bibby and the rest of the team have to step up on defense and start producing some points. If this does not happen, then I believe a trade needs to be made for some players who are hungary.

By O'brien

January 14, 2009 7:38 AM | Link to this

So our all start and best player calls people out. And the very next game, he stinks up the joint?

And on the first night of a back to back, JJ plays 42 minutes and shoots 4-21. I wonder how much energy he will have tonight, especially since the Warriors like to run…

There was one play when Josh was facing Amare (who gave him some room), because Amare had 4 fouls. What does Josh do? Shoot a jump shot. He needs to drive and draw the foul. Doesn’t he realize that he is left open for a reason? Nobody is scared of his jump shot, when will he (and Woody) learn?

Samuel, we haven’t heard from you in a while. Now that the Hawks are struggling, your COY needs your support…

By Hawk 1

January 14, 2009 8:02 AM | Link to this

Joe Johnson was 4 for 21 last night 19% from the field. Can’t win with that type of performance.

By kwooden1

January 14, 2009 8:32 AM | Link to this

Casey Hodges I know it’s early in the morning and JJ had a bad game but relax with the over JJ exaggeration. If you don’t like his game fine, the over analysis is a bit much. Don’t forget Carters 0-13 in 30mins this season, that must have been great to watch. (Best Dunker of ALL Time!! Though) I agree, JJ takes to many fadeways and doesn’t finish at the rim enough, but if he did those things consistantly than he would be real close to Kobe, Lebron and Wade. Right now he’s been playing like a poor man’s Danny Ganger. JJ knows it, but I wonder if a minor injury is slowing him down. (heard he’s got some problems with his feet)

Either way, he’s not going to shoot like that tonight, but JS shot is definitely a problem. If he can hit the midrange shot, then it changes the dynamic of the team completely. Teams are playing the HAWKS to force the ball into his hands late in the shot clock. The main thing I see different with this team and the team that went 6-0 playing well is JS making the mid-range shot and Marvin making the 3. Teams definitely respect Marvin’s shot, he’s not getting a lot of wide open looks, and JS is shooting poorly. I believe those things are correctable. My main issue is with Woody not running offensive sets that take advantage of match-ups.

Anyways onto tonight —

Clippers have some injuries (Davis) but it looks like they’ve losing streak comes from having a tough stretch of games. It doesn’t look like they’ve been playing that badly, so they easily win the game tonight. Clippers will hit the boards with 3 guys. (Skinner, Camby and Thornton) Gordon is very quick and can score. Again the HAWKS have to push the pace. Take advantage of JS’s and Marvin’s quickness. It looks like the Clippers problem is scoring, so we need to maximize that by getting the ball out of Thornton’s hands and making Skinner and Camby beat us with jump-shots.

Push the pace, Rebound and make the Clips Big Guys Shoot = Win If not 5 game losing streak!

GO HAWKS!!!

By Sekou K. Smith

January 14, 2009 8:45 AM | Link to this

New blog up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Mitch

January 14, 2009 8:53 AM | Link to this

The Hawks have been a very streaky team this year. We had a good stretch, followed by a bad stretch, and then another very good stretch, and now a down stretch again. Granted, we have injuries, but it makes me wonder.

Until recently, during the Hawks most recent good stretch, I had thought that maybe this team could win 50 plus games, and be better than anyone in the East, except the Celtics, Magic, and Cavs. Now, I’m really not so sure. The injuries are one factor, and people talk about the midseason “Dog Days” of the NBA of Jan and Feb, and teams losing focus. Granted, there’s enough time for people to get healthy, for the Hawks to win seven to ten in a row, and get to 50 wins.

What I realistically see for this Hawks team:  I think we will snap out of the current cold streak, and people will get healthy, but I think we will win no more than seven to ten games more than last year, if that.   This team will probably finish with anywhere from about 43 to 47 wins, and end up, maybe fifth, in the conference.  That would represent improvement, and wouldnt be bad, for a team that didnt make the playoffs for nine years, until last year.

Hopefully, things wont get any worse, and hopefully, I’m lowballing my prediction, and we can get healthy, and win the 50 games. I just think that 43 to 47 is a realistic number to expect.

     Mitch