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By Lyonsjimmy

January 8, 2009 9:07 PM | Link to this

Dude, I enjoy your commentary. I’ve followed the hawks since the mid 80’s and I’m glad they are competitive again. I enjoy reading the behind the scenes stuff. Any thoughts on why the 5th big man didn’t play last night when they needed a bigger body on Howard?

By Lyonsjimmy

January 8, 2009 9:08 PM | Link to this

Also why do you think Law doesn’t play more?

By richbrave

January 8, 2009 9:42 PM | Link to this

doc:

So you’re gonna’ jilt the TED for my old club, eh.? Enjoy. Hot dogs and cold beer pretty much the same everywhere-$$$$, not so much.

G-BRAVES will have SAMMONS as catcher. Don’t know what will become of VLADIMER NUNEZ and the two other Cubans. 6’ 9” AUSSIE “Roo-Nads” was lights out in AAA until he was dumped by COX in mid-season. He’s a great reliefer if his head’s screwed on straight. JONES should be better, again IF minus any ‘tude. I’m sure SCHAFER will be in CF, especially if ANDERSON is up with the big club. You will like BRUNDIGE. He’s the sleeper for COX’s job in my humble estimation.

I’ll keep it coming for you on “critter” when I can see the games. Enjoy every minute you can with your dad. Lost mine at 12. So I know whereof I speak.

By Astro Joe

January 8, 2009 9:55 PM | Link to this

Bringing this over from the previous blog. Seems to be supported by Sund’s comments above.

By Astro Joe

January 8, 2009 9:45 PM | Link to this

Ray, the problem with the trade Bibby arguement is that it is a finacially BAD decision. We either have to take back comparable salaries or we try to get draft picks. So what are the chances that we would get quality draft picks by trading Bibby? A lottery-bound team isn’t trading for Bibby and giving us a lottery pick. Would we trade Bibby for Portland’s pick… somewhere in the 20s? I hope not. Could we get more than 1 draft pick for a 4 month rental? Doubtful. So would the ASG risk the revenue of a possible home-court playoff series (or even a second round playoff appearance) PLUS the flexibility of doing something (or nothing) with that $15M salary slot in the summer by trading away Bibby for either one non-lottery pick or comparable salaried players? Again, it doesn’t seem to make good finacial sense.

No doubt that there will be competition for Bibby. What we have to hope is that the growing bond between Bibby and JJ is such that we have an advantage… not just with Bibby but also with keeping JJ the following off-season. It’s hard to imagine JJ staying with us after having a partner of Bibby’s caliber to share backcourt duties. Sund must make a competitive offer and convince JJ that he didn’t make a “John Smoltz” offer that forced Bibby to leave the fold. What we don’t want is for JJ to have a comparable reaction to what we’re reading from Chipper about Smoltz. Because unlike Chipper, JJ will still be in his prime when his current contract expires.

By Sautee

January 8, 2009 9:59 PM | Link to this

What kirknga said: I can’t believe with all the experts here, none has given consideration to the idea that Acie is not that good a player?

From Sekou: I wouldn’t trade Acie. Dude’s only in his second year. Devin Harris didn’t start right away and he’s become one of the best young guards in the league. * I’d hold off passing any lasting judgment on a guy a year and a half into his career.*

After the Houston game (when Acie played) Woodson said “Acie was great for us”.

From Sekou tonight: Law is the only guard they have capable of developing into an on-ball defensive stopper

Do Sekou and Woodson count as experts on the team that is their chosen profession?

By ray

January 8, 2009 10:06 PM | Link to this

It’s an interesting observation and one I can’t say I really thought a whole lot about before our conversation. But it does point out an interesting wrinkle in how Woodson has been playing his guards.

He has everything but a defensive stopper in the backcourt. He has a candidate that gets talked about around here almost as much or more as any of the starters (yeah, Acie Law IV) but the guy barely plays.

Law is the only guard they have capable of developing into an on-ball defensive stopper (Mario West has the desire but he’s not light enough on his feet to stay in front of smaller point guards).

The job is open and Law is looking for work.

It only makes sense.

Indeed.

Ariose,

To continue answering your question: While this may be in stark disagreement to what ol’ Ando thinks, I’d be in favor of making a trade of one of our forwards (and perhaps another player) for another low post banger that has solid moves on the block. Chris Wilcox comes to mind, although I certainly wasn’t the first to bring his name up here. He’s none too expensive, and can be a help. Not the best choice perhaps, but definitely serviceable.

You know who I like even better? Drew Gooden. Basically the same size as Horford. Another double-double guy who’s a decent/solid defender (doesn’t block a lot of shots, but you don’t have to). He has a midrange shot as well, and can run the floor. I’d love to have him.

It’s my thinking that you don’t have to have a “true” center that stands 7-feet or more. Although it works just fine when you have to inside players (Yao and Scola come to mind). If you can’t have that, then what’s better than a pair of 6’10” 250 lb power forwards that are used to having to play center?

By ray

January 8, 2009 10:24 PM | Link to this

Astro Joe,

My point isn’t about trading Bibby. That’s not even the argument. I agree that it doesn’t make much financial sense at this point from your perspective. I see that as something you do if you’re not making major plans to keep him. I don’t see why we wouldn’t be making major plans to keep him, but you never know. I agree that if the chemistry and bond is or becomes strong between him and JJ, then you have to make the move. But after having seen how management handles things , are you confident that we can wait until season’s end and make a great pitch to keep Bibby? A successful one?

I see your point about convincing JJ that a competitive offer was made to Bibby (at least). Again, are you trusting that Sund will make such an offer in time? How much hardball is too much hardball? And what happens if we don’t manage to keep him? Telling JJ that we really tried hard is nice, but is it really enough?

It would be nice to be at an advantage, or have some kind of leverage (provided by JJ) in negotiations. But Bibby has to be an old hand at this sort of thing. So are other GMs…The problem is that it doesn’t just end there. There’s the situation with Marvin as well. Shall all the eggs be put into one basket? I’m not really asking you some of these questions, just being rhetorical.

Something tells me Marvin’s not going to end up staying, and he may not get what he wants no matter where he goes. There’s just not a huge market for athletic wings, because there is more of them than anything else in the league.

By Sekou K. Smith

January 8, 2009 10:31 PM | Link to this

Howard wasn’t the problem to me last night Lyonsjimmy, it was the floor that opened up because of the Hawks’ attention to Howard that I felt cost them the most. So another guy to foul him wouldn’t have made much difference.

If anything, I’d have preferred the Hawks push the pace a bit more and make Howard play in transition and see if they couldn’t wear him down a little bit.

As for why Acie doesn’t play more, I think it has everything to do with the fact that he and Woody haven’t developed a trust that a coach and point guard (even a backup) have to have in place in order for their work relationship to work.

Woodson has Bibby and even Flip Murray around to run his team and they’re both shot makers (Bibby more than Murray, of course). They allow a coach to feel much safer than a guy like Law, whose go-to-game right now has to be his dribble drive ability.

There’s no doubt you have to make sure that Law is in your plans for the future, which means finding some role for him, even if it’s just three to five minutes a night. But this is not a time to develop players at the expense of winning games.

Not with the Eastern Conference landscape littered with teams capable of moving into the top half of the standings. The Hawks have a chance to challenge for one of those top four spots, so I can understand not wanting to take any unnecessary chances.

I didn’t say I agree with it. I just understand it.

By ray

January 8, 2009 10:33 PM | Link to this

If Sund wants to see how good this lineup can be over the full course of a season, then there’s no real advantage to doing anything by the trade deadline. Why? Because Woody’s rotation is set for the time being, at least. Anything we’d be picking up would be down on the far end of the bench, hoping to play some day. Or, that person would be taking the minutes of someone else who comes off the bench. I don’t see us picking up that kind of person.

In the back of my mind, though, I wonder what Sund thinks. Because no matter what, no later than season’s end, a decision has to be made regarding the pg spot. Same with Marvin Williams. If I were Marvin, I’d get ready for a long summer…

By Sautee

January 8, 2009 11:11 PM | Link to this

Sekou

About this:

There’s no doubt you have to make sure that Law is in your plans for the future, which means finding some role for him, even if it’s just three to five minutes a night. But this is not a time to develop players at the expense of winning games.

Not with the Eastern Conference landscape littered with teams capable of moving into the top half of the standings. The Hawks have a chance to challenge for one of those top four spots, so I can understand not wanting to take any unnecessary chances.

I didn’t say I agree with it. I just understand it.

I guess I don’t understand it. Or, more exactly, I can’t see where developing a bench, and challenging in the East are mutually exclusive. If the players in question (Solo, and mainly Acie) were coming in and losing games by their mistakes, it would be understandable to protect our standing and play them less. In fact, if that were the case, and Woody was sticking with them and we lost games because of them, the blog would be in an uproar about Woody’s poor decision.

However, as you well know, these guys are coming in and producing positives for their team. So I have a hard time seeing why 5-10 minutes a game for them is a losing proposition. Why can’t we have both development AND win at the same rate?

I guess that’s on Woody to trust his young’ns.

By mykhalc

January 9, 2009 12:37 AM | Link to this

Sautee, just what you said!!! EXACTLY!!! and WOODSON still $ucks as a HC…PERIOD!!!

By RealSquawk

January 9, 2009 12:45 AM | Link to this

I am glad Rick Sund made that comment. The one thing Flip brings is that willingness to take a shot when things break down and effort to drive the basketball at the defense and convert. He is like our Sam Cassel he has his spots and he scores his points.

Cannot wait to read this article maybe Rick Sund says something about Acie Law’s playing time.

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 9, 2009 12:50 AM | Link to this

I’m not a huge college sports fan, but I’ve never understood how loyalties switch to the conference once the team is eliminated. How does someone like Mo Evans, whose Longhorns are arch rivals of the Sooners, switch to pulling for the Sooners in the title game? Never made sense to me. It would be like a Kings fan pulling for the Lakers in the finals in ‘02 after getting punked by them in the conference finals.

I agree with Sautee too… the example of Rajon Rondo has been mentioned time and time again about how a championship-caliber team can still develop young players at the same time. There’s no reason why playing Acie should necessarily mean sacrificing wins. I could understand why Salim Stoudamire didn’t get meaningful minutes when he was here, because he was a significant liability on defense and as a passer. I understand why Solo doesn’t get meaningful minutes, since he’s not physically strong and fouls too much. But Acie doesn’t have the glaring weaknesses in his game that some other bench players do. Aside from his jumpshot, which he doesn’t use much anyway, there’s no area in which he significantly hurts the team when he’s on the floor. There really isn’t much to be lost by playing Acie in my opinion.

By Joe

January 9, 2009 1:03 AM | Link to this

Sekou why don’t you have any info on when speedy claxton will come back or why Thomas Gardner is never givin a shot to play??? He might be a lift off the bench that the hawks need!! They have a good bench now but I’ve never understood why or how you sign and pay someone to just sit and watch every game!! How do you become good or show you can be good if you don’t play???!!

By Ed

January 9, 2009 1:21 AM | Link to this

I feel comfortable that Bibby will finish out the year in Atlanta barring a prolonged losing streak before the trade deadline. What I have a huge doubt about is whether or not the Hawks pitiful ownership group will make a serious run @ keeping Bibby & then JJ the next year. As far as Acie is concerned, it has to be personal between Woody & him & goes beyond trust on the bb court. He just brings too much to the table in areas that the Hawks are dearly lacking. With playing time Acie’s confidence would build & he would make his share of the outside shots people are making such a fuss about. I remember seeing him play @ A&M & he made huge shots in big games so the pedigree is there. There’s just something missing, something none of us has knowlege of that is between Acie & Woody. Until their issue is resolved we have a stalemate & all parties will suffer; Acie, Woody, the other players, as well as us, the fans.

By Gypsyjoe

January 9, 2009 1:23 AM | Link to this

I was reading about the Kid Sims from the D-leage. He is close to seven feet and seems tough. lets give him a look.What do you guys think????. Cut the guy that has not play in the last 2 years. I guess we will have to eat his contract.

By MannyT

January 9, 2009 1:33 AM | Link to this

Sautee I am jumping on your bandwagon, like mykhalc for developing the bench.

I don’t want the team to sacrifice wins as Sekou mentioned. HOWEVER I do believe that there is some room in the game prior to the 4th quarter to get some meaningful experience for guys like Solo & AC.

When you look at the +/- stats, the bench is not hurting us, so give them a chance to help some more. In the Orlando game, every bench guy had a plus even RandMo! This same situation happened in that last NJ game.

Woody will never develop a defensive stopper if he does not play someone in that role.

BWAF

By BA

January 9, 2009 2:05 AM | Link to this

This might have been your best blog of the year, Sekou Smith. Good reading. Woodson should be lighting them up after last night.

The biggest difference in this team from a year ago (or especially two years ago) is the ability to win close games late.

The next step I want to see is controlling games early- get that 15 point lead like Cleveland does and just stay in control all night.

The Magic are clearly doing that this year. It’s the next step for Atlanta.

By cp

January 9, 2009 2:14 AM | Link to this

Woodson has more excuses than a politician. How can you gain trust in a player when you dont play them? I guess he wouldnt have any trust in Law seeing how the kid cant get on the floor. Im not even looking at stats right now but I

By cp

January 9, 2009 2:18 AM | Link to this

I hit post before i was done. I really hate my mouse at times. Like I was saying. Woodson could be a politician when his coaching days are over. This guy has an excuse for everything… Its hard to gain trust in a player when he never plays. I’m not looking at any stats but I wouldn’t be shocked if Flip was 3rd on the team in turnovers. I’m amazed sometimes how he can come in and turn over the ball on consecutive possessions and never be pulled. Law comes in and turns the ball over once and is already on the bench before the whistle is blown. Either play the kid or stop talking about it.

By This gets old

January 9, 2009 2:26 AM | Link to this

Well one thing is for damn3d sure and that’s Acie “ain’t” gonna’ get any better sitting on the bench. Unless Woody is channeling Nostradamus and knows that he won’t have to play Law then it’s o.k. I’m just not that big of a believer in everybody in front of Law remaining injury free or getting worn down.

Better to get him some minutes now.

By Ariose

January 9, 2009 2:54 AM | Link to this

Ray, sund has so many options to choose from it makes my head spin. There are tons of guy’s who probably are great fits for this team, heck they might just be on the bench. Like you said, our record is great so far. If this team wins 50 games then why mess with what works? Shoot dirk was over 50 every season but only made it to the finals once. It took Paul Pierce playing out of his mind in the playoffs to get the job done. The good thing though, is that other than our PG(and Main Reserves) everyone is young.

As far as DA’a available Point guards in the offseason. He forgot to mention that Jannero Pargo only signed a one year deal overseas and will be back unrestricted next offseason.

Now waht if Bibby leaves? Well then we’re going to be young at the point for some time. But i’ve got just the man for the job.

I’m sure you all remember the speedy little Point Guard who torched Team USA who played for the Austrailian National Team? Patrick Mills(sophmore) who currently plays for the 13-1 St.Marys university. Had 37pts against Oregon in a win earlier this season and is averaging 19ppg. he’s under the radar right now but Sund needs to pitch to this kid right now…..onto the visual aids….

Patrick Mills Feature #1

Patrick Mills feature #2

And he’s already talking defense lol. Right up Woody’s alley.

Of couse there’s also Jeremey Pargo(Gonzaga…..and Jannero’s little brother), Tyreese Rice(Boston College), Jennings(Italian Leauge), Ty Lawson(UNC), and of couse Ricky Rubio.

BUT mark my words, Mills will be better than all of them. Kid is lightning quick. Franchise for sure….Curry who?

Also Steve Francis is a free agent Next summer(if Tha Bibby scoots) he’d be a decent under the radar pickup. He’s slated to play his first game with Memphis later this week.

We have options…..oh yes….. Ray, you spoke of maybe dealing Law. Well word on the rumor wire is that the Timberwolves is looking for another Point Guard (A Lottery level Talent Guard). If we did trade Ace it would be for 1st round pick from them to make sure that we got one of te best young guards in the draft.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ariose

January 9, 2009 3:00 AM | Link to this

Patrick Mills ESPN stats this season

Draft Express Patric Mills Prospect Profile

He’s only 5’10 180 so he and Law would complement each other well if Bibby left. Both are slashers though, so Bringing in a third Guard (With Salim-like Range ould help) I would say pargo but he wants tons of cash.

Also Ben Gordon is an Unrestricted Free Agent this upcoming off-season. He played point in college. If he plays point in the leauge he’s a Big Point instead of an undersized two. I doubt we have the cash to foot his bill though…

~Sir Links A Lot~

By HawksFanNFlorida

January 9, 2009 8:12 AM | Link to this

Hawks need a defensive stopper and ITS not Mario West because of heavy FEET??? HMMM trying to remember the last time seeing Mario getting crossed up. I HAVE seen Woody go OFF on Acie after a bad shot..pass ..play. The pressure is there for Acie to SHOOT better. He will get better, but there is still the pressure. Thats causing him to THINK more instead of just playing. How about letting him do what Sund said. Just bring something different ie getting to the hole. Just make the layup.

By The Truth

January 9, 2009 9:05 AM | Link to this

Acie Law IV My condolences go out to you and your family for the loss of your grandfather. Words can not express my feelings of regret for the careless comments I made questioning your commitment for what has now turned out to be a moot point. I apologize.

Sautee THANK YOU FOR CALLING ME OUT on the previous blog regarding the above. I totally agree with your comment about making assumption on personal matters. Since I am a natural deep thinker with a science background, I occasionally let my curiosity get the best of me. Maybe others can learn from my mistake.

By rms

January 9, 2009 9:16 AM | Link to this

Trying to gain Woodson’s trust is like me applying for a job straight out of college that requires 2-3 years experience. How can I get experience if no one will hire me to GET THE EXPERIENCE. Typical Woody….POBWAF!!!

By doc

January 9, 2009 9:47 AM | Link to this

acie and solo are paying dues, simple logic to what i dont know. it is an old concept as old as hazing rookies. it is about a caste system that some continue to foster by their own lack of confidence. if woody has more players then he has to work harder to use them. if he ignores them and makes up deficiencies he looks good for a time until it implodes.

you cant keep a good man down charlie. solo and acie are good men and will find their way here or elsewhere. folks that have witnessed this team knows the bench of fiipmo and zaza are not flawless or perfect anymore than solo or acie. until they get in games consistently and play at NBA regular season play they will continue to make the mistakes that get them a quick exit to the bench. to sit for two or three weeks then be expected to go a that speed without mistake is flawed thinking on the coach. it is like someone driving around say north ga for three years then try to come to atlanta and navigate 285 comfortably. let them play and it will be seen as their reaction time improves.

horford made fouls last year and solo will until he can play. solo gets put in unenviable situations anyway either end of games with 25 seconds on the clock or against one of the tougher bigs because zaza and al have already picked up two quick ones in the first quarter and is then the sacrificial lamb. woody wake the f up.

guess i am still mad about the smoltz fiasco. he friggin takes a home town discount, plays good soldier and then is treated the way mcgirk and the liberty treated him. it aint about wren folks, read his comments and then read mcgirk who has been here long enough to know what smoltz did to stay in atlanta. 3mil is a big difference no matter whose account it goes to, not chump change.

BA, agree with jeff over on the other blog though, thought it was mighty fishy he called it quits so close to that milestone just as glavine losing a bit after 300 and maddox retiring with one or two more than clemens. dont under estimate the ego here and it is well put by glavine in his comments on the subject. his pain level didnt change just the goal. still, he should have still been allowed to show his stuff here and whether he could comeback and add to it. the lack of getting peavy and aj probably affected the outcome as much as anything and it is in the stars we get to watch him in a red sox uni.

now hawks man up and get a win tonight in orlando.

GO HAWKS!

By Sautee

January 9, 2009 9:55 AM | Link to this

* The Truth*

It takes a big man to admit to that kind of error. You’ve earned additional respect in my book.

I purposely turned my comment toward myself, but I’m proud of you for stepping up. And it reminds me to learn from your situation.

Good going.

By Sautee

January 9, 2009 10:12 AM | Link to this

rms

Just making sure, but are you the same rms who posted this seven weeks ago?

By rms November 16, 2008 9:54 PM | Link to this Still need a PG and a C. Horford is defitnitly not the answer and Acie need I say is, well-garbage! He will never develop even if given the minutes.

If this was you, then have the recent statements by Sekou and Woodson changed your opinion? (See my post to kirk at 9:59 last night for the statements I’m speaking of).

Or has Acie shown you more than “garbage” since then?

Because in your recent (9:16 AM) post you seemed to be more on Acie’s side, so I was wondering about a change of heart.

By rms

January 9, 2009 10:35 AM | Link to this

Sautee, I dont remember saying that. I have high on AC for a while now. If I did post that (in which I dont remember), I would have to say my opinion has changed. I prefer to see him come in and back-up Bibby instead of “Flip the Switch”. I honestly dont remember posting that or what would make me say that even if I did. Sorry about the confusion!! If thats the case, I guess I should be more careful of what I say and be more consistent, right….

By rms

January 9, 2009 10:40 AM | Link to this

Now I do remember specifically bashing or trashing or slandering or whatever you want to call it the ownership group. I dont think I am alone on that one. I personally think they prevent elite-caliber players from wanting to sign here. I dont blame them..Who would?? We gotta chop that 12-headed or however many heads ownership group down. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!!!

By ray

January 9, 2009 10:52 AM | Link to this

Have to echo Manny, Najeh, Sautee, and many others on the comments about Woodson. I guess now’s the time somebody will come on and tell us we’re a bunch of fools for having an opinion, simply because we are not NBA head coaches. Well the NBA head coach blog is somewhere else. If you can find it, have at it….

Ariose,

This is from one of my comments on the last blog (I’ll leave part of it off):

To be honest, I don’t know what’s realistically possible, so any answer from me on that might not make sense. I have no problem admitting to the fact that I have conflicting answers in my own mind. I could take the easy way out and say leave everything as is, but I don’t think that works for the long term. Besides, that’s what people say when they can’t, don’t, or aren’t willing to think ahead.

Personally, I’d like to see some of our guys play more, more than I’d like to see us pick up more players, or different players.

But if we’re going to do a trade, it might be better to do something that changes the makeup and size of our starting lineup, rather than add on a guy who may or may not receive playing time from Woody.

We are 22-12 with the lineup we have, and that is great. But we have yet to make it through half the season. Ending up with a 45-50 win team with this lineup and this rotation would go a much longer way towards suggesting that this team can win year after year this way (with this lineup). Right now, we have proven nothing more than that we can win 22 of 34 games. I don’t mean that to demean or downplay the team’s accomplishments. I’m enjoying this as much as anyone else. But it is a hard, cold, objective fact. You have to remember Garnett’s words thoughout last season- “We haven’t done nothing yet. Nothing.” He even said that after 66 wins…

I don’t know that we can win big year after year with a PF and basically two big SFs. I’d rather see two PFs and a small forward. Or a center, PF, and SF.

I’m wondering where Sund wants to go with this team. I figure he’s got to be wanting a guy he can put at center, so he can slide Horford to the 4. I could be way wrong, but history has shown Sund likes his bigs.

And when I said “change the makeup and size of the team”, I meant moving Marvin for somebody with more size to solidify the frontcourt. Again, not a popular idea, but one that could work. Trading Bibby will cost games and chemistry, no two ways about it. Why? Because our team is not good enough yet, and our coach not good enough yet, to hold it together. Moving a guy like Marvin for a player that helps more won’t destroy the chemistry, in my opinion. Otherwise, why do any trades prior to the deadline? We can play our own guys more and get good results. They know the system. However, adding a veteran big who can play down low with Pachulia is still not a bad option. But I thought more on that and realized that this nails a guy like Solo firmly to the bench. So the question becomes, which helps more: Solo getting increased PT, or some vet big crashing the party?

By terrell barron

January 9, 2009 10:58 AM | Link to this

Well said Sautee(Jan. 8, 2009. 11:11 PM). I completely agree.

By Sautee

January 9, 2009 11:02 AM | Link to this

rms

Not a problem, either way. And I thought I remembered your defending Acie on occasion, which is why I wondered if this was a different poster, or if it was a change of heart.

And I totally agree that Acie should back up Bibby and Flip should back up Joe.

And no, I don’t think you are alone in your dissatisfaction with the BASG.

By Ken Strickland

January 9, 2009 11:08 AM | Link to this

ASTRO JOE-the problem with getting draft picks in a trade is Woodson. Unless we draft another BIG like Horford, what are the chances Woodson would give him/them the time and attention to develop into anything serviceable. We’ve already seen how little time and attention he’s been willing to devote to develop previous players we’ve drafted that now have experience in the league.

By Astro Joe

January 9, 2009 11:19 AM | Link to this

So here’s my latest fear… that Solo signs a contract with Orlando in the off-season. He won’t start over Hedu or Rashard (unless one of them is traded) but he could get 15+ minutes on that team and be that hard-hat partner that Dwight needs. Solo has a nice touch on his short range jumper and we all know that he has crazy athleticism. If he has another productive summer like the previous one, he’ll be ready to turn some heads next season. How many teams would be interested in a bench player who can block/alter shots, hit open jumpers, finish on the break and defend both C & PFs for about 12-15 minutes a game? Oh and add to that list that he is young and relatively inexpensive.

By terrell barron

January 9, 2009 11:23 AM | Link to this

Hey Doc, the Braves are’nt going anywhere next year. With, or without Smoltz. Smoltz put himself in a position to win a ring. So f*** loyalty, on either side. Mike Smith was loyal to the local hero(Brooking), and he costs us a chance to see Matty Ice drive us down the field for the winning score vs. Arizona. 3rd and 16, and you bite on a 5 yd slant? Wtf? Brooking was done 2 or 3 years ago. Same as Smoltzy. Love em both as a person, but their playing days are over in Atlanta. Time to move on. As far as the Acie things go, Sautee was right on. Why cant we win and develop players at the same time? WHEN THE GUYS USUALLY COME IN AND PLAY WELL? Makes no sense. How much of a dropoff is Solo fron Zaza? And how nuch of a dropoff is Acie from Flip? Not much, if you ask me. They’re paying their dues, my a*.

By terrell barron

January 9, 2009 11:25 AM | Link to this

Agreed Ken. Thats why I laugh when I hear people mentioning trading someone for draft picks. We already have our bench warmers. lol!!!!

By ray

January 9, 2009 11:38 AM | Link to this

rms,

Rest assured, you are not alone on the ownership opinion. Others feel the same way…

On the subject of pgs and Flip Murray:

I like having Flip as a backup. He’s an offensive spark plug that is not allergic to taking shots. A pg he is not.

The guy has scored in double figures in 15 of the 34 games he’s played. In the other 19, he rarely has come close to double figures. So that’s double figure scoring 44% of the time. He shoots 42% from the field, gets roughly 2 turnovers a game (in 20 mpg), nearly an assist and a half per game, and less than a steal per game.

Okay, so that’s double figure scoring in less than half the games he appears in, not very good shooting (but not truly awful), guaranteed mid/high turnover rate per minutes played.

Probably about what you’d expect from a backup sg, and no real reason to complain about it. The problem is that this is also the backup pg.

Somebody tell me why Indiana, who had a clear advantage over us last year, was unable to close the door on us as the competition for the 8th seed? Nevermind, I’ll tell you why. Because a combo guard is great in the role that he fits in, not when he’s forced to do what he doesn’t excel or meet the standard at. Do you really want to make a guy who averages more turnovers than assists your only hope at pg if your starter is down or out? Some combo guards aren’t the best option for backup pg insurance.

Murray was a stop-gap for Indiana. It was the best they could do at the time (apparently). Flip started 17 of 23 games and gave them familiar figures with increased minutes: 11.9 ppg on 42% shooting, 3.5 apg, and 2.3 TO per game. The assist/turnover ration had to be a bit better because he was playing the pg position pretty much exclusively. It wasn’t his fault. He’s just not that kind of player. Which is why it makes little sense to rely on him alone as a guy that takes up where Bibby leaves off.

By ray

January 9, 2009 11:53 AM | Link to this

Ken Strickland and terrell barron,

Get your MannyT-approved asbestos suits on for this one:

If draft picks are something Sund is interested in acquiring, then look for Sund to either put the pressure on Woody to play and develop the guys he wants to pick up, or look for Woody to be down the road sometime soon. It’s happened to other coaches. In my opinion, it’s happened to better coaches. More proven coaches. Coaches who have had winning records for a full season.

No doubt there is a pincushion voodoo doll with my name on it for even mentioning the possibility of Woody having to do things differently than he is right now…

The Truth,

I gotta say that was one classy thing to do. Any of us could take a page out of that book. You’ve got my respect.

Astro Joe,

That is a shared fear, bro’.

By doc

January 9, 2009 11:59 AM | Link to this

tb the braves are not playing it that way and your comments suggest you either didnt read my comments or i didnt state it clearly enough. yes it is a two way street unfortunately the braves organization is talking out of both sides of their mouths. smoltz isnt and he never has. say you are moving on but dotn expect me to think the braves offered a competitive contract and “oh, i was sooo surprised”. please pure unadulterated frigging BS. that is my point. their inference of it he is john smoltz and wants john smoltz numbers then give me 200 innings. slap in the face as well. but business.

as far as brooking who did they have to play his position and hasnt he played out of position for most of his years here and i am NOT a brooking fan never really have been, think he has been over rated just stating the facts tb. he was all we had so it wasnt similar. in a way the braves dont have anything either, aa they go intot he new year for the third year in a row with severe pitching issues.

also, it isnt a shoo in for smoltz and the red sox as they are projected third in their division is my guess behind tampa and the yankees.

By ray

January 9, 2009 12:42 PM | Link to this

Kudos to Woody for calling everybody out in practice and hittin’ with the truth of the matter. If things are as intense as Sekou says, then we should see a different effort tonight. The kind of game that will shake Orlando’s confidence and have them wondering if they’re really better than us or not. I say they’re not.

Predictions for the future (yeah, from me, the guy too scared to make ‘em):

Something will cause Acie and Solo to play more minutes.

Acie will get significant minutes and a chance to learn.

Some people will forget this is a chance to learn and castigate him and any blogger calling for him to get more playing time every time he makes a mistake, while conveniently forgetting all the mistakes the veteran Murray makes. Yep, all too predictable. Heh.

Doc,

I’d let Brooking go this offseason. He is a decent lockerroom influence. But unless he’s willing to take on a drastically reduced role and a good bit less money (which he won’t be)….Nah, I’ll stick with just letting him go. Maybe Boley too, or at least bring in somebody who has the ability to take his job and shove him to second string. I’d keep Milloy unless the money figures are bad. Milloy is smart and tough as nails. Keep Foxworth.

By O'brien

January 9, 2009 12:50 PM | Link to this

Sekou Did the Hawks take extra free throws in practice?

In both the NJ game and the Magic game (and Joe missed one against Boston), we missed a lot of crucial free throws that could have altered the game. Let’s hope it doesn’t become a trend, especially against good teams.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but when Flip and Acie are in the game together, Acie crosses half court and usually gives up the ball (to Flip) and then goes and stands behind the arc somewhere. Shouldn’t it be the other way around, since Acie can drive (and dish), and Flip is the shooter?

By I .MUS WRITE

January 9, 2009 12:56 PM | Link to this

RMS…… Yes and No

Agree that Horford is not the answer, Maybe at Pf but C he is just too small. Also his offensive game leaves something to be desired….If Al was,say 6’11/7’0 260-270 with the same motor and hustle we would be set, But at 6’8.75 and 240 he gets abused at the C spot sumtimz…..

I cant agree that Ac is garbage, he just lacks confidence in his shot. Here’s A guy who can break down the D and get to the rim at will-Good on ball defense……….Garbage no - He needs seasoning and playing time

When I think of Ac -Tony parker always comes to mind…….TP is a top 5 pg right now, but when he came to the league he wuz closer to garbage than Ac…………..

Acie will be okay -next year on another team,i cant really see him here again next year riding the pine.

I could see him in maybe Milwaukee getting good minutes and developing into a solid starting Pg…….

Ac just needs a shot like Diaw …..He isnt -Ivey,Salim,or Sheldon- Put those 3 between sum bread and make you a wack sandwich

By doc

January 9, 2009 12:58 PM | Link to this

ray, i am in full agreement but not for last season and that was the reference i assumed when the name was brought into the equation by tb as it was about his past performance. it was because he blew an assignment in the playoff game that didnt decide the game. just getting the ball back in hostile territory doesnt assure anything. he didnt lose it nor win it. he is an 11 year guy and might be a bring back to be a back up but reality is back ups in football at that position better be good special teams guys with the hits and the speed. that he doesnt have. again read what i said, i was never a big fan of his even if he was a former bee.

it was and argument just to clarify how different it was from the smoltz thing who was taking cut, has taken role changes well and was going to be a positive for the organization and a plus at 5.5 mil. what it suggests and what galvine needs to read into it is what he can expect as an offer, book it as out friend says. it is a business.

By terrell barron

January 9, 2009 1:21 PM | Link to this

Doc, they shoulda moved Boley to Wil,(Brooking’s position)) with Lofton at MLB and Wire or Nicholas as Slb.

By terrell barron

January 9, 2009 1:28 PM | Link to this

And Doc, no way the Devil Rays are projected ahead of the Red Sox. No way! Not in my book, at least. lol!!! I know they added Pat Burrell, but still.

By Astro Joe

January 9, 2009 1:56 PM | Link to this

I. MUS, if Horford had that type of body, I’m pretty sure that he would have been picked ahead of Oden and Durant. A guy with that size coming off 2 NCAA titles? Yeah, he definitely would not have been available with the #3 pick last season.

Evaluating Horford after recent encounters with Howard and Yao is a little unfair. I think guys like Chandler, Dalembert and Bogut aren’t excited to play Dwight and Yao. More often than not, the tandem of Horford and Smith should be able to hold their own against most other C/PFs. Obviously, there are always exceptions but in general, they should be able to hold their own. I definitely would like to see a defensive big to rotate into the games, someone like a Pryzbilla or Nesterovic (he’s a UFA this summer). Someone with the bulk to play in the low post on defense and with enough savvy to avoid fouling out in 12 minutes of play. But I wouldn’t alter the current starting front line, unless we’re getting a 2-way center in the process. In a perfect world, we would be able to keep Solo next year AND bring in Rasho. But that would likely require that Speedy’s salary is off our books and so far, Sund doesn’t seem interested in making that happen (as Portland did with Darius Miles).

By doc

January 9, 2009 2:02 PM | Link to this

doubt brooking played for sentimental reasons tb, just no way and that seemed to be your suggestion. besides they had an unbelievable year, heh heh leave the coaching to those guys as they proved themselves over the course of a year. again i am not a brooking fan.

red sox did nothing in the off season so it is not a given they will see the post season. pre season polls as deficient as they are will suggest in more than one of them you are wrong is my suspicion tb. again polls are polls but it is not a given smoltz will be there; it will be in a competitive situation. so good for him.

By terrell barron

January 9, 2009 2:20 PM | Link to this

Doc, I didn’t say anyone was going to hand Smoltz a ring. I said he put himself in a situation to get one.

By The Truth

January 9, 2009 2:25 PM | Link to this

Sekou I notice my comment from the previous blog:

Too much talk and not enough practice at the free throw line among other things. This reminds me of the Allen Iverson famous quote “WE JUST TALKING BOUT PRACTICE MAN”

Became your topic; That’s great; just the kind of uplift I need to get me out of this funky mood I’m in right now. If the Hawks just win tonight, that would top it off.

Sautee,Ray Thanks Guys

By Melvin

January 9, 2009 2:51 PM | Link to this

Astro Joe, it seems to me that teams that are trying to position themselves cap wise to make offer for a big name free agent in the 2010 class that they would sign Darius Miles now for at least two 10 day contracts and allow him to play a few mins every game just so they could eliminate Portland cap flexability….

By jhan

January 9, 2009 3:20 PM | Link to this

Melvin, that is a great point. You know there are teams discussing that right now. If you can’t make yourself better, do what you can to prevent your competition from improving.

By Astro Joe

January 9, 2009 3:39 PM | Link to this

Melvin, not only would I do it. But I would start Miles in two consecutive games. He would come out at the first dead ball. But it would be CLEAR that dude played his 2 games. I think Cuban has that type of humor… that would be HILARIOUS!

By Melvin

January 9, 2009 3:59 PM | Link to this

Jhan & AstroJoe, I guess that’s why we are holding on to Speedy. To make sure he doesn’t play. I’m sure that insurance money will come in handy for the ASG…. Hmmm, I guess you can call Speedy their Bailout/Stimulus Package…
Ain’t no PAIN in that MannyT…..

By Sekou K. Smith

January 9, 2009 4:05 PM | Link to this

O’brien, they shot free throws before; during and after every thing they did at practice. They need to work on it, but you can practice them all you want. If you get in the game and can’t cash in at the line, it’s all for nothing.

The funny thing I noticed about the other night, the Magic missed 10 free throws while the Hawks missed nine (granted the Magic took 10 more free throws overall). The missed shots matter more when you lose, obviously, but there were tons of other plays that could have and should have been made.

New blog live from Orlando going up shortly for tonight’s game.

By MannyT

January 9, 2009 4:14 PM | Link to this

The Truth You are a very honorable person. You may have no future in politics as those folks never admit to being wrong. Otherwise the response would be similar to…given the circumstances of that time my answer was accurate/agreed with the professional and well respected opinion of…as facts have changed, I led the effort to set the record straight (unlike my opponent)…blah, blah, blah

As for the asbestos suits, I prefer the Johnny Storm models. They come with a few wisecracks ;-)

Given the asbestos suit, why in the heck would we be trolling draft picks, i.e. new players to develop. That’s akin to a habitual drunk driver buying things for his/her auto to attract police attention. In the near term, nothing good will come of adding players to this team that need significant development.

Melvin, Astro Joe I guess y’all have not seen the Darius Miles news. Portland sent out an e-mail to all the other teams trying to scare them off with some legal talk. The NBA added a few words to the Miles waiver notice stating that they would support any team that signed him. This is a case where union influence is probably a good thing.

If you really wanted to rub Portland’s face in it, you sign him to a 10-day contract during the week that you are playing against them. Then you pull a Woody-West move and play him for less than a minute. Just for spite, you could run an isolation play for Miles….heh heh heh

Let’s use some of Woody’s fire to pull a rabbit out of the magic hat tonight. Let’s go Hawks.

BWAF

By I .MUS WRITE

January 9, 2009 4:17 PM | Link to this

the Center we need resides in Jazz Land………. Memphis- Marc Gasol

This guy would be a nice fit for us, He is a load in the post at 7’1 270, He’s a guy who knows the game and could become our enforcer down low- Marc plays a rugged brand of basketball.

As im watching Memphis play and i kept thinking that this guy is really polished for a 23yo rookie,basicly the same way i felt about Scola last season.

I dont know if they would do this deal but i would offer:

ZAZA/Speedy/1st for M.Gasol/Lowry

By doc

January 9, 2009 4:18 PM | Link to this

i guess this what manny posted, just in case as i didnt go to his

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-blazersthreat010809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

By MannyT

January 9, 2009 4:18 PM | Link to this

Is it a bird? a plane? or a new acronym on the horizon!

Melvin You get credit for the CHIRP. Yup, that’s the Claxton Higher Insurance Revenue Plan

Acronymphos live!

BWAF

By portlandguy

January 9, 2009 4:19 PM | Link to this

give us bibby. we need him here.

By I .MUS WRITE

January 9, 2009 4:28 PM | Link to this

Portland guy -yall can have Bibby……………. For Aldridge,Nick Batuum and a 1st

Do you still need him LOL

CHIRP- I like it ,I like It

By Melvin

January 9, 2009 4:32 PM | Link to this

MANNYT, LMAO….. DOC, I’m about the hit I20 west. I look forward to seeing you on Sunday…. For those who want to view the game online, check out this site. They show a live broadcasts of every game and any sport. And yes it’s free. The quality depends on your computer speed. Enjoy… www.channelsurfing.net

By Ken Strickland

January 9, 2009 4:35 PM | Link to this

RAY-that makes a lot of sense. However, let’s look at it another way. If Sund really is that type of GM, why doesn’t he take that approach toward the previous draft picks we currently have sitting on the bench who’ve busted their butts the last few off seasons trying to get him to notice, utilize, play and/or trust them?

After all, we have more to gain this season from these former draftees, who have become more experienced and developed, than any future draftees we might acquire. Besides, if a GM has to blackmail, pressure or manipulate a HC into developing, trusting and utilizing the young talent drafted by the GM, then either the HC or the GM needs to go. We’ve already gone the route of firing the GM(BK), maybe now it’s time to try the other option.

Woodson’s approach and attitude toward young players is what other teams love. Do you think other teams have the same attitude and disdane that Woodson for a versatile, athletic, mobile, DEF minded C like Solo? Woodson will turn us into the same type of franchise that the Clippers have been for so long. Draft them, play them sparingly, or just enough to get a glimmer of their potential, hope they develop on their own, then watch them angrily depart as FA’s to get away from him.

By ray

January 9, 2009 4:40 PM | Link to this

IMUS,

That ain’t all. Tony Parker also didn’t have Greg Poppovich’s confidence either, but he gained it by earning it. Guess how he earned it? By playing…Let’s hope that going to another team isn’t what it has to come to for Acie to become a good pg. I’d rather that happen here. But if not, as long as we don’t suffer for it (i.e, we better get something decent in return that helps the team if we must lose him). Lottery picks don’t grow on trees…At least we got something (very good) when we traded our infamous #5 lotto pick, along with other less valued assets.

Astro Joe,

What you say is true, but if Horford had that kind of body and wasn’t available at #3, Durant or Oden would be…and before you turn mention Oden’s injury, consider the possibility that Oden doesn’t get injured….Either way, we wouldn’t be hurting with one of those two other draft picks.

Doc,

I have to say, the fact that you’re an unapologetic Tech fan and don’t care for Brooking much definitely says that you can be objective, LOL!

By The Truth

January 9, 2009 5:04 PM | Link to this

MannyT You’re cracking me up man. That’s a funny but very accurate description of a flip-flopper. You are absolutely right; I don’t see myself in politics either. If I was elected, my press secretary would be overwhelmed putting out fires that I created.

By The Truth

January 9, 2009 5:04 PM | Link to this

MannyT You’re cracking me up man. That’s a funny but very accurate description of a flip-flopper. You are absolutely right; I don’t see myself in politics either. If I was elected, my press secretary would be overwhelmed putting out fires that I created.

By Sautee

January 9, 2009 5:30 PM | Link to this

new blog up

By Mike is back

January 9, 2009 5:53 PM | Link to this

Doc, I feel your pain on the Braves, my Dad use to take me and my sibling to Braves games…sad to see the Braves organization regress back to the days of old. I bet Skip is turning in his grave!!! 

I .MUS WRITE, I agree with moving AL to the 4, but there are teams that AL gives the Hawks match up advantage in the pivot .  It is easy to forget that AL is only in his second year in the NBA.  When you see what 3, or 4 years worth of NBA experience meant to Chill, Smoove, and Marvin. What kind of surge can we expect from Al in another year or two…I’m looking for something astronomical.  Last season there were limited options at the pivot position, so AL was our best choice.  Now that Zaza and Solo has raise their level of play, now Woody has other options on nights when AL is clearly at a disadvantage in the pivot. Again, that goes back coaching. That’s not on AL .  

It sounds great moving Smoove to the 3 and AL to 4, but it will never happen because we are talking about adding another young player to the starting rotation in Zman or Solo. We know that ain’t happening, Woody gets angina anytime you mention the word developing young players, Woody method for developing young players is DNPs. Heh heh  

I would love to see Solo get a chance to line up with Smoove, and Al. But I could also live with Zaza starting, and Solo backing him up. Zaza doesn’t get much pub, but he has been huge for the Hawks this season.  I will have to start calling Zaza Russell Crow, because he’s been manning the boards like a Gladiator.  

I think Woodson could bring Marvin off the bench and use him the same way the Spurs use Manu Ginobili.  This will create the flexibility necessary to expand to 10 man rotation.   Besides, I think Acie and Marvin could make sweet music playing together on the second squad. Marvin instantly becomes a candidate for 6th man of the year, “BUT WITH A BANG, BECAUSE MARVIN CAN PLAY THE 2, 3, AND 4 SPOT.

Then you will have solid minutes for SOLO, which also creates a smidgen of PT for MORRIS. Heh heh  

This will also create more opportunities for Acie,” Right!”…” DREAM ON MIKE”  

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Sekou K. Smith

January 9, 2009 6:41 PM | Link to this

New blog up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By terrell barron

January 9, 2009 8:47 PM | Link to this

Fire Woody!!!