Hawks

By Ernest

November 20, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

IMO, a decision needs to be made about Morris. Either he is an ‘investment’ for the future given his potential or we need to find someone else that can make contributions. If it is the former, he needs to get a few minutes so he can realize some success and build on that. He does look lost sometimes out there but as they always say, you can’t teach height.

If the Hawks can at least play .500 ball during this stretch of injuries, it will definitely make them better as the season progresses.

By Willie Coyote

November 20, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Give Acie some extended minutes gor goodness sake. He’ll never get into the flow if he rides the pine all the time.

I’d like to see Morris get on the floor more but only if he hustles and acts like he gives a damn. From what I’ve seen from him he appears to not be into the game when he’s out there…not a lot of effort on either end of the floor.

Solomon may need to hit the weights even more because while he’s obviously stronger this year, he still has a ways to go before he can be counted on down low.

The hawks 7-4 record is not bad. Before the season I would have been glad for them to win 7 of 11 with their tough early season schedule. However, when you start 6-0, 7-4 looks a little less rosey.

By Bowdler for 3

November 20, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

Smoove has Halle stuffed in his trunk. She’ll be back.

By The Truth

November 20, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

I’m glad we won this game, we needed an emotional lift. But I still don’t like Woody’s offensive set. It seems to be too old schoolish. It basically consists of isolating JJ, stand around and watch him work one-on-one. Force the opponent to draw double team against him and create shooting options for his team-mates if JJ doesn’t take the shot. I remember Kobe talked about how NBA teams are getting away from the isolation one-on-one game of the past. They are going more to the team oriented motion offenses of moving, cutting, and pick-in-rows. We were successful in the first 6 games with this isolation set because JJ was hot. The opponents were forced to double and treble JJ which played to our straight. But when JJ is struggling (in the case of the 4 losses), this set isn’t effective. JJ forces turn-over or takes bad shots while his team-mates stand around and watch. When JJ is hitting shots in this set, they are mostly tough shots. His team-mates involvment and success is random. It amazes me while we run this set, Woody wants his team to get more easy buckets in the paint, get foul and shoot free-throws. This seems to be difficult to do in this set. We will always be inconsistent in this arrangement because we are way too dependent on JJ. As JJ go, we go. If JJ gets injured for a long stretch, we can kiss this season goodbye. We need to diversify our offense. Woody needs to demand more penetration and dish by our PGs. That would open-up the offense as another option.

It seems we only have one offense set with JJ, if that doesn’t work, we go in the OLD SH!T MODE.

By Wes

November 20, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Sekou, any hope these guys bring in McDyess in to help out down low? He’d certainly help weather the storm until J Smith returns.

By Sekou K. Smith

November 20, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

I don’t think McDyess is a realistic option Wes. He’d be nice. But not realistic.

What about calling a vet like Dikembe Mutombo and seeing if he wants to play for the hometown team?

He’s not under contract anywhere and he’d certainly help bolster the Hawks’ frontline (the roster would have to be adjusted to make room, of course, but we’re talking hypothetical situations here, right?).

By James Banks

November 20, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

Interesting analogy. As currently constucted, with an undersized fromt court, this is a playoff-caliber team but not a championship level team. If the goal is to win a championship, this team needs to acquire 7-footer who can demand the double-team in the post, step out and shoot the 3 and play solid low-post defense. There’s a former Hawk big man who played great during his time in the ATL, will be a free agent at the end of this year but comes with some baggage.

Consider Bibby, Johnson, Smith and Horford joined in the starting line-up by Rasheed Wallace with Pachulia, Williams, Evans, Murray, Law, West and Jones and your 2009 first round draft choice.

I admit that signing Rasheed Wallace may (OK, will) ruffle some feathers but no one that he has played with has complained about playing with him. You know he’s familiar with Woodson’s style of defense, he doesn’t need, or want, to be the star of the show, he knows how to win, wants to win another title. He also knows that Detroit wants to replace him with Chris Bosh and, like everyone else, can see the potential in the Hawks.

Thoughts?

He’ll be a free agent at the end of this yearwould solve the and possibly reach the second roun perform at a playoff-caliber

By doc

November 20, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

ray at times i would like to see how josh handles the small position and marvin the four. i see smith as a lot quicker than marvin and think he could overpower some threes both offensively and defensively. it would also allow the more ponderous marvin to work against slower fours and even pull them out from the basket now that he has shown a three ball. it was so sweet to see that one fall last night. “my boy rick” was right on about that one. heh heh right samuel?

By Ramon

November 20, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

Sekou, I’ve been preaching for the signing of Mutombo for quite some time. He is still a 11 reb, 5 block a night type player when needed. The difference between having someone like him on the court and someone like Dale Davis is Mutombo is still actually valuable. There is NO way Houston goes on that long run last season without Mutombo. I think his mentoring of Horford, Smooth, and the rest would be wonderful. Another thing about Mutombo that is underrated is he is just a good teammate period. I think his sense of humor would balance the fiery presence Murray brings quite nicely.

By Wes

November 20, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

Dikembe would certainly stop some of the driving through the lane that I had to watch last night. Zaza can rebound, but he isn’t a shot blocking threat for a man as big as he is.

By jhan

November 20, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

JJ needs to set up offensively on the block when his jumper is struggling. He has great post-up abilities & will always draw a double team. This will equate to wide open shots for Bibby, Williams, Evans & Flip.

Randolph Morris - we need to find out if he is anything other than what he has shown so far. He looks very disinterested in playing defense or rebounding. He needs to play with a fire in his belly. My advice to him would be this: Throw your body around & wreak some havoc with that large frame of yours. Make everyone know when you are on the floor.

Defense is the key for this team. Once Al & Josh return we should be fine.

By terrell barron

November 20, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

Mcdyess to sign with Charlotte.

By Cambodia

November 20, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

Rasheed Wallace? Egads ! No !

We don’t need a 34 year old - non defensive player. Sure, he can score, but we need to invest in a TRUE big man, if one is available.

By The Flash

November 20, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

Nice win. The veteran pickups are all everyone has been saying they are. Add a tremendous dimension to the game.

I am very impressed with MW. Very.

I agree with The Truth. I found myself being frustrated with the amount of time JJ held onto the ball, whether before or during the bounce. Compare that to how the ball zipped at the end, in and out of JJ’s hands, when the play was obviously for MW to get a look at a 3.

Z did a terrific job on the offensive boards.

Thw Zards might just have a terrific, and I mean terrific, center for the future with this young kid. Man, is he smooth and smart inside on the move. He sees the game very well, and is able to generate quick movement in seemingly every direction. I like this guy, you think.

The Zards miss Roger Mason very much. He was the best decision maker on that team, period. The current guards seem determined to shoot jump shots off the dribble (that must be with Edie’s encouragement). They created many good looks for themselves, but were not making them. Collectively, they reminded me of a way poor man’s JJ.

By The Truth

November 20, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

doc Haven’t we tried this already? Right now Josh doesn’t have the perimeter shot consistency to play sf full time. However, spot duty is fine and Marvin outside shot as pf would create problems for opponent.

By Dan

November 20, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

Sekou

One thing you have to remember, though, is that the Hawks are capable of playing with a lot of energy. They just have to have all of their guys. I’m not in the locker room everyday, but I have to think that the injuries to Smith and Horford have brought down the morale of the team. When they come back, we should start seeing the team from the beginning of the year.

I agree with what you are saying. I just don’t think they will win ugly all the time. This team is capable of looking good and being fun to watch. Just need all their ammo to do it.

Also, I think the Flip-Mo Squad has come back to Earth a little bit. Neither guy is playing that great lately. Flip is playing better than Mo, but both have dropped off. Seems like Mo has really lost his ability to score these days. He has to snap out of it.

Big win last night, though. If they can find a way to beat Charlotte, they are right back on track in my mind. The Cavs game will be tough, considering the Hawks will be playing short handed.

By Cambodia

November 20, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

Dikembe Mutombo? Egads ! No ! Surely we can do better than signing a 42 year old slow poke like Deke. If he can provide mentoring, perhaps a coaching role would do.

By Sautee

November 20, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

The Truth

That was an excellent post about our (lack of) offense. We suddenly have outside shooters, but the scheme seems the same as before. ISO Joe predominates. Bibby fires away. Flip takes it one-on-one. No real movement.

We have arguably two of the best “athletes” at their positions (4&5) in Smith and Horford, and we seemingly have NO design to take advantage of this athleticism. Why not some high-low sets? Why no 4-5 pick and roll? These guys are both adept passers and that talent is being wasted.

We’ve seen how much we miss Smith and Horford this week from a defensive standpoint. When they come back, we should take full advantage of their skills on offense.

By JMar

November 20, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

As much as I’d love to sign Deke for the team, I prefer to keep him available to replace Nique as the analyst midseason.

By doc

November 20, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

truth it is one more weapon to have in the arsenal is all i am saying. it allows woody to be more “creative” and josh will develop the outside game just like dominique did. afte rall it extends their careers. a few more injuries and he wont be a high flying act. you know that i am sure and it will require continuing to ask these guys to increase their game and reach. they are young and now is the time to make them all they can be.

in three years marvin is going to weigh about 255 or 260, he will outgrow his position and is more likely to do it than josh at three. opinion only certainly not “truth”. never too late to plan for the future.

By terrell barron

November 20, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Sekou, we run a BORING 1 on 1 offense, Portland does’nt. They’ve got Nate, we’ve got Woody. That might explain why they’re a tad bit more exciting than we are. lol!!

By Tiger Woo

November 20, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

JMar,

Can you really tolerate Deke’s voice as a TV analyst?

By Khao$

November 20, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

My job requires that we discover the “root cause” to customer service failures. Based off Sekou’s analysis (teams such as Chicago and Portland plays with more energy), what is the root cause of our lethargic play? Our team is just as young as the aforementioned clubs. Therefore, it’s hard for me to accept (excuse me Sekou) that we’re just a 2008 Vivica. Halle? No we’re not. Megan Good maybe (hot up and coming story, still hasn’t had the big role yet?).

What’s the root? We played energetic ball during the first 6 games. Now we’ve tapered off. Is it because Josh and now Horford are hurt? Perhaps Smoove is the motor? Is it because, without two of our younger players (Smith and Al), we’re really not the young athletically gifted team Billy Knight built? Could it be that we’re not that athletic at the point guard position (we get exploited by the Devin Harris’s and TJ Fords of the world).

I honestly believe in our 6-0 start and our 1-4 streak, it’s clear…Josh Smith is the motor that makes this team go defensively. With him, we are Megan Good. Without him, we’ve Vivica. It can’t be ignored that our style of play has dramitically changed since his injury, specifically on the defensive end. His blocks, hustle plays, and rebounding gives up fast break opportunities. Take him out of the equation and we’re a slower/smaller team.

I know some people will say this is a no brainer. However, in light of this new blog, I think it would be inappropriate to say, flat out, this current incarnation of the Hawks is who we are (Vivica). It is who we are at the moment without Josh Smith. The record without him is indicative of this. You take JJ from the team and we’re Hoopz from Flava of Love, good to look at (bunch of athletically gifted players), but lacking substance (JJ) that will take her career over the hump. Without Horford, you could say we’re Regina King, talented enough to have a job (or in our case stay in the playoff hunt), but not enough talent to take us over the hump into a major role (top seed). Without Bibby, we’re still fly (Stacey Dash maybe), but will never get national attention.

My point is, I don’t think we’ve reached a point we’re this team truly has an identity. A schizo chick maybe the best way to describe us. But when I think of Vivica (fly but not Halle fly) I’d think the Pistons now. Always in the mix. Dudes would still kick it with her because of her reputation, but say her day has passed

By terrell barron

November 20, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

I’ve never seen so much love for Marvin around here. What a difference a year makes.

By terrell barron

November 20, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

What’s the word on Horford and Smoove? Anyone?

By terrell barron

November 20, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

I agree Tiger Woo. lol!!! I know I could’n t tolerate it. lol!!

By terrell barron

November 20, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Kaos, I’d take Meagan Good over Halle anyday. lol!!

By terrell barron

November 20, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

We better go on a little run, because there’s a stretch coming up where we play at Dallas, at Houston, at San Antonio, and then fly all the way to Miami. And then we go home and find Lebron James and the Cavs waiting for us. WOW! Who made this year’s schedule? Had to be Billy Knight. lol!

By Rasheed Wallace

November 20, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

My “time” with the Hawks was ONE GAME!!!

By Tiger Woo

November 20, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

Definitely not a voice for TV or radio, Terrell! LOL !!

Woody says Josh Smith may be out another 5 games or so. They interviewed Josh last night and he said he’s still having problems moving laterally.

Horford is targeting a return on Friday but he is still day to day.

I’m with you - Meagan Good over Halle anyday. Probably too young for me at 27 yrs. old, but she’s legal, right?

By The Truth

November 20, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

Kaos I’ll take any of them. There is no such thing as a bad piece, some just better than others.

Doc You use the word Woody and “Creative” in the same sentence. I’m just kidding, I’m in a teasing mood today.

By Astro Joe

November 20, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

I ain’t got no problems being with the 2008 release of Vivica Fox. Because for the last few years, I’m been riding around with the 1975 version of Aunt Esther.

By The Truth

November 20, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Sautee Roger that…

By The Truth

November 20, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

Astro Joe Do you get good gas mileage with that model?

By doc

November 20, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

yeah, me too truth. not something that we see often, no?

i do believe in being light hearted. glad you picked up on it sometimes that is lost in translation.

sautee i have sat for the dog show and found it very entertaining ……. not really but i do like dogs and it was a requirement in a past life. heh heh

By Astro Joe

November 20, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

The Truth, the Aunt Esther “Gremlin” gets decent gas mileage but it is GREAT when it comes to running those prettier “Halle” models off the road when traveling around 285. And the 8-track tape player still sounds good, even when I roll down (literally) the windows. It’s the same color as that old luggage that doc keeps in his attic (in case mustard yellow hard-sided suitcases come back in style).

By Peter Griffin

November 20, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

Holy frickin’ crap!

I just got a high ankle sprain jumping off the bandwagon! I will be day to day on my blogging.

By doc

November 20, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

ice it down peter for the next 24 hours then switch to heat. you will be good as new in 2 weeks or so.

By The Truth

November 20, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

Sekou should have picked another subject, you guys are off the chart!!

By Volman

November 20, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

Terrell Barron, the same guy who made the schedule is the same crook who didn’t suspend Kevin Garnett for pushing a referee.

That man is David Stern.

By King K.C.

November 20, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

Listen up ya’ll!

Sekou:

Some of the peasants have posted positive comments about Duck Williams. Marvin gave the Hawks a chance to win in Boston and hit a crucial 3 in last night’s victory. I was very impressed with his effort on the glass (14 Rbd). Sometimes it takes awhile for young talent to develop. Are we witnessing the maturation of Marvin Williams?

Signed, your Royal Ambassador of Basketball, the Grand and Noble King K.C.

By terrell barron

November 20, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

Volman, Does the Commish handle the scheduling? I highly doubt it. But whoever it was, they dont wont the Hawks in the Playoffs, thats for sure.

By terrell barron

November 20, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

I hope you’re right about Marvin, ole noble one. I just want to see some consistency before I give him the Most improved player trophy. But if he continues to get better, he should be in the running for the award.

By Volman

November 20, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

TB, It does seem odd to me. I don’t really think it’s Stern who handles the scheduling, but I don’t think it is “luck” that our team has had brutal schedules the past 5 years.

By I MUS WRITE

November 20, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

DAM Kaos….. Sum hot women in those paragraphs whew…….

Halle Berry is washed up to me- still pretty though,U hit the nail on the head with Stacey Dash…. Neva mind the hoops I luv that woman-she’s supa hot to me and she’s looking better with age. Impregnate on sight- wonder if she would have my first born- anyway…..

Halle vs Vivica…….Come on Sekou call it what it is, we look like Starr Jones when Josh and Al are out.

I agree with you though -after watching Portland and Chicago it was obvious we lacked energy focus and hustle…….Really painful to watch last night

Marvin is playing big right now -I just want him playing the same when The guy’s come back.

Im not the biggest AC fan but the last cupl games he has played well and deserves a little more time….U couldnt take the hot shooting Bibby out last night but I woulda snatched Flip in the first half in favor of Ac……. Flip was like 0-7 Woody better get sum balls and sit JJ when he is’nt producing

By I MUS WRITE

November 20, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Peter Griffin that was funny my man….LOL might wanna get sum Ace bands got a feeling you’re gonna have company.

Astro joe -U killing me dude -from the last blog- Those are sum serious stiff’s u mention. The iron sheik…HAHAHA took me back to my child hood for a minute

By BA

November 20, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

I’ll gladly take 2008 Vivica- especially considering three years ago the analogy was closer to a 2008 Roseanne Barr!

By darrell starks

November 20, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

VIVICA THE FINEST BUT HALLE THE SEXIEST WOMAN ON THE PLANET SEKOU WHAT YOU THINK? GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

By JMar

November 20, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

I think it’d be hilarious to hear Deke do just one quarter. In any case, it’s hard to imagine anyone being worse than Dominique Wilkins as an analyst.

By Willie Coyote

November 20, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

JMar, right on about ‘Nique as an analyst. If he says “heat check” one more time I’m going to jump off a bridge. We need Smitty back.

By Ken Strickland

November 20, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

All 3 are like Viagra to me.

By ant banks

November 20, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Why do we not run the pick and roll, high screens, cutters to the basket? Does anyone have an idea?

these 3’s are goin’ to come back and haunt us, watch and see. i am glad that we won last night, but we should not have had to struggle against wash. and i bet we struggle against charl.

By terrell barron

November 20, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

They could just swap Nique out for The Stinger. Put nique back in there with Jerome.

By JerryWest

November 20, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

JJ played like Flip on steroid. Flip wants to be like JJ when he grows up.

Zaza played hurt last night. Showed a lot of guts. I don’t know if it was visible on TV.

Marvin’s a* is bigger than Shaq. With that big a* and balance he could have been a great home run hitter. He needs to shoot more. The kid is so intelligent.

Bibby/Flip/JJ makes it easy for Woody not have any offensive game plan. too much 1 on 1.

Woody may harm developments of Marvin/Horford/Acie because they try to stay in the system. Woody needs to draw plays for them a little bit more.

Acie is ready.

By cp

November 20, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

lol Willie Coyote I was saying that last week about Nique. Luckily the past few games I have listened to the opponents play by play guys so I don’t have to hear Nique. I love Nique as a player but he should not be calling games. He is the Emmit Smith of basketball analysis.

I’ve been talking about Mutombo for the past few days. Bring him home Sund

Marvin has always had the tools to be a good player. His problem is his consistency. One game he makes you go wow this kid is going to be good. Then in the next few games he makes you forget he was even on the team because he does nothing. Like someone said earlier, he has to keep playing like this when everyone comes back healthy.

Woodson still has the same 2 page playbook he had when he first got the job. You would think by now he would have some better offensive sets but nope its the same iso iso iso iso.

By terrell barron

November 20, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Viva Ken Strickland! lol!! I’m sick of those damn commercials. lol! Especially the one where the guy is wearing his old wedding tuxedo.

By Sautee

November 20, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

Ken S.

Please tell me that the 3 that are like Viagra to you are NOT “Nique, Deke, and Smitty!

Not that there’s anything wrong with that. ;-)

By Sekou K. Smith

November 20, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

My point with the analogy was that this team should win at a high rate this year, just maybe not like some might have thought during that 6-0 run. Now I’m not kicking Vivica or Halle out of my house. I’ll take either one. But if I had a choice, I’m going with Halle. As for all the other pretty ladies mentioned, big ups to them all. Ha.

And while I don’t think they’ll win “ugly” every night, I think they’ll be more effective with defense and rebounding than they will with trying to outscore folks (they tried that during the 1-4 stretch and failed miserably). Even with the shooting upgrades like Evans and Murray, these Hawks still aren’t explosive enough (when they’re down two starters) to outscore anyone. Not unless Joe and or Bibby go bonkers.

By PLEASE HAWKS!!

November 20, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

What is it going to take for us to feature Marvin Williams more? IMO, he could and maybe even should be the 2nd option on this team behind JJ. He has the sweetest looking jumper, he has rarely missed any 3’s this year and yet it seems like we don’t make any real efforts to make sure he’s getting shots. Sure he may have his points at the end of the game, but he rarely has a a big impact late in games, during the clutch moments. He has made some big shots late in games this year and I would love to see it more often. You don’t draft guys no.2 overall just to have them be average mediocre role players. Let’s feature Marvin more, I believe he has the tools to average 20 a game.

By Sekou K. Smith

November 20, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

My point with the analogy was that this team should win at a high rate this year, just maybe not like some might have thought during that 6-0 run. Now I’m not kicking Vivica or Halle out of my house. I’ll take either one. But if I had a choice, I’m going with Halle. As for all the other pretty ladies mentioned, big ups to them as well. Ha.

And while I don’t think they’ll win “ugly” every night, I think they’ll be more effective with defense and rebounding than they will with trying to outscore folks (they tried that during the 1-4 stretch and failed miserably). Even with the shooting upgrades like Evans and Murray, these Hawks still aren’t explosive enough (when they’re down two starters) to outscore anyone. Not unless Joe and or Bibby go bonkers.

And when I mentioned the Portland-Chicago game, I wasn’t talking about being impressed with Chicago.

By Willie Coyote

November 20, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

cp the analogy to Emmit Smith is right on point. ‘Nique is the best Hawk ever but the analyst gig needs to end.

By Sautee

November 20, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

Jerry West

Marvin’s a is bigger than Shaq. *

Yeah, Ray and I were laughing about it last night. After a timeout they were showing Marvin about to in-bound the ball. And they showed him from behind. That’s not a back porch, it’s a freakin’ veranda!

One time, in the offseason, Marvin was standing alone on a corner, and the cops came up and said “OK, let’s break it up here”!!!!

OK, that’s an old Rodney Dangerfield joke, but damn, that’s a big ol’ butt!

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 20, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

The Hawks may not be Halle Berry, but I think they’re better than 2008 Vivica Fox. They are a solid Jada Fire in my opinion.

By MsDee

November 20, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

Well, from a females’ point of view, I say the hawks started out looking like LL Cool J but ended up getting shot with some bullet wounds like 50 Cent. Hopefully we get better soon and end up like Nelly with his sexy TAZZ!!

By Ken Strickland

November 20, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

SAUTEE-funny.

By Khao$

November 20, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

Women and basketball…this might be my favorite blog topic Sekou!

By MannyT

November 20, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

Sounds like Marvin has gone from under the bus to everyone’s favorite caboose. Between MW and Zaza (temp code name - Vegas - the rebounding one armed bandit) the board work was great. Funny though, I can usually tell who won a Hawks game by looking at the opponents score. If it’s less than 100 in regulation, we probably won.

As for that swapping Marvin and Josh idea. It’s really a moot point. Face it, when you are on offense, the other team decides who they want to guard. So as long as Josh is more of an inside threat, he is likely to be guarded by a PF, unless you have a guy with unique skills like…Josh. Marvin will be covered by someone who guards shooters first whenever possible. He rarely posts up.

On defense, until Marvin uses that weight to move people off the block, we are better off having the one man SWAT team at the 4 so he can protect the lane.

doc you mentioned it previously—we have some crowd fan issues. When it gets close at the end, we’ll wake up, but that Boston playoff vibe is nowhere near Philips arena right now. Some of those hopenadexcitement folks need to speak up.

If I put my take on this hot babe to basketball team analogy…the Celtics are Halle Berry (or whomever you choose to be the #1 cougar.) Older, experienced and on top of the game.

Being a younger, less experienced challenger to the throne. We sometimes are hot, hot, hot, and other times we are simply a hot mess. Clearly we have proven that we have potential, but it is not clear if we can live up to it in our current state. Thus I present Ms. Atlanta Hawks

I was tempted to pick Brittany Spears, but the Hawks have not had the success she enjoyed in the 1990s. She’s probably more of the Miami Heat ;-)

Anyhow the other trial sheds more light on teams fiscal situation. I can only guess that Ando is lurking in the I told you they are cash poor end of the I TOLD YOU SO pool This will get very interesting when the semi finals are over, and the Belkin match continues.

BWAF

By MannyT

November 20, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this

Shame on me for missing that link. You can call the prior one a teaser post ;-)

Sounds like Marvin has gone from under the bus to everyone’s favorite caboose. Between MW and Zaza (temp code name - Vegas - the rebounding one armed bandit) the board work was great. Funny though, I can usually tell who won a Hawks game by looking at the opponents score. If it’s less than 100 in regulation, we probably won.

As for that swapping Marvin and Josh idea. It’s really a moot point. Face it, when you are on offense, the other team decides who they want to guard. So as long as Josh is more of an inside threat, he is likely to be guarded by a PF, unless you have a guy with unique skills like…Josh. Marvin will be covered by someone who guards shooters first whenever possible. He rarely posts up.

On defense, until Marvin uses that weight to move people off the block, we are better off having the one man SWAT team at the 4 so he can protect the lane.

doc you mentioned it previously—we have some crowd fan issues. When it gets close at the end, we’ll wake up, but that Boston playoff vibe is nowhere near Philips arena right now. Some of those hopenadexcitement folks need to speak up.

If I put my take on this hot babe to basketball team analogy…the Celtics are Halle Berry (or whomever you choose to be the #1 cougar.) Older, experienced and on top of the game.

Being a younger, less experienced challenger to the throne. We sometimes are hot, hot, hot, and other times we are simply a hot mess. Clearly we have proven that we have potential, but it is not clear if we can live up to it in our current state. Thus I present Ms. Atlanta Hawks

I was tempted to pick Brittany Spears, but the Hawks have not had the success she enjoyed in the 1990s. She’s probably more of the Miami Heat ;-)

Anyhow the other trial sheds more light on teams fiscal situation. I can only guess that Ando is lurking in the I told you they are cash poor end of the I TOLD YOU SO pool This will get very interesting when the semi finals are over, and the Belkin match continues.

BWAF

By MannyT

November 20, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

And like the Celtics, I’ll call her a dynasty!

By MannyT

November 20, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

MsDee Would it be fair to say the Celtics are Denzel Washington—standing the test of time as an older team—and the Hawks are more…Nick Cannon ;-)

By Ed

November 20, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this

It looks like Woody is not going to play Acie again this year. It’s up to the coach to help instill confidence in his young players and Woody is too much like Larry Brown in that regard.

By J williams

November 20, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this

What’s he story on Speedy? Is he healthy, and able to [play, or is he done for the year. It’s a long season, and id he’s able to contribute as expected when they first signed him, he should see some playing time.

True, the Hawks needs a big man presence in the middle of the defense. I know they were tired, but New Jersey practically ran them out of the gym, and there was no stopper waiting around the hoop for New Jersey penetrating gaurds.

By truly1

November 20, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this

I agree ed we have played 11 games and woody is already shortening acie laws and randmorris minutes. Woody does not want to have to coach he just wants to have a team that is already fixed for him. Acie and randmo is scared of making any mistakes because woody will yank them. We have 3 men down other people should be getting time to play because you will need more than just 8 players because the season is 82 games long. JJ should not be playing 40 minutes everynight because he plays both ends of the floor. His average goes down and he looks tired maybe because he is. Look at other teams and there big scorers they dont play over 40 minutes all the time. Thats why you brought in flip and mo. Not to take away the maturation of acie law. Coach makes 12 guys better just in case they need them. Dont give woody excuses. Another thing everybody makes mistakes even JJ even your guys best pg chris paul it took him 2 years of mistakes starting at pg to be great. Give the guys a chance to play they might be good or trade them so some other team can benifit and make them stars you dont want that so lets see what we got in our guys.

By blue hawk

November 20, 2008 9:42 PM | Link to this

Sekou,

Can you ask Woodson why he’s not playing Randolph Morris that much, given our shortage in big men right now?

Sure, Morris may look inadequate right now. But the right approach would be to teach, instruct and encourage and not bench the guy.

Come on. Have some balls to put some faith in your inexperienced guys. How the hell wil they move from being inexperienced to experienced if they don’t see the floor enough.

Playing these guys and living with whatever mistakes they make on the court IS the price that you pay to raise their games to another level.

Come on. You’ve got to have faith. And in case you’ve forgotten, faith is believing even if you do not see.

Believe that he’ll be good even if he doesn’t look like it right now. It’s also called the Pygmalion effect.

By truly1

November 20, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this

Blue hawk i like the way you think

By King K.C.

November 20, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

Listen up J williams! Craig Claxton is doing what he does best…Look handsome in church clothes. Don’t count on Mr. broke knees to make a comeback or eventual contribution to the team. It ain’t NEVER gonna happen! Claxton = Game Over (Cue Atari music). Pray for his retirement to be blessed and occur REAL SOON. It would open up some cash that $und could spend on somebody that might actually play a few minutes.

Yes, the Hawks do need a presence in the middle. Who’s it gonna be? There is no available answer to this dilemma. How bout Mutombo? That’s one already debated option, but Granny runs faster than him wearing a filled up Depends!! IMO, the Hawks must fight through the injuries to Smith and Horford, then regroup, and re-attack!

Woody does not believe in AC, so Bibby ain’t available via trade(s). This team desperately needs to get healthy! Stabiliy + Talent + Chemistry = Victory (Thank you, Gary Bussey!)

Signed, your Royal Ambassador of Basketball, the Grand and Noble King K.C.

By RA

November 20, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

First off, Vivica A. Fox will still be hot when she’s seventy, with dentures! That having been said, I think that you can read too much into that losing streak, just like you can read too much into that six game winning streak. Here’s the thing, you don’t lose, your best defensive player and your emotional spark plug and think that nothing bad’s going to happen to you. Without J-Smoove, the Hawks go from very good to decent, without Horford and Josh Smith, they go from decent to ordinary, and that’s with everyone working their butts off. Now, here’s the thing about Washington, they may be 1 and whatever, but last year they started 0 and 5 and their first victims, the Atlanta Hawks. I still have flashbacks of that game. It haunts me. My point is, when you look up at the end of the year, Washington is going to be in the playoffs, and probably a top six seed, but Atlanta will be ahead of them.

Yes, they’ve struggled, but look, Acie Law IV is showing signs of waking up, Marvin Williams is becoming a force, and Mike Bibby is starting to make me think that he’s not quite ready for the shady acres rest home yet. Not to mention what the bench is going to be when Za Za, Flip, and Maurice Evans can come off the bench, like God intended. Now, they might just break even until they get healthy, but when they do, it’s on and poppin.

By rms

November 20, 2008 11:52 PM | Link to this

No one is saying make a trade to the Blazers for Pryzbilla. He is a big 7-foot center that can score in the paint. Portland got enough big men they dont need him!

By DTB

November 21, 2008 12:36 AM | Link to this

Wow! I’m sure Vivica will cringe from the insult that just dumped on her with this article. The variations between Halle and Vivica’s beauty is relative to those beholding them, but the Hawk’s image will be clearly determined by their play on the court. Please refrain from trying to be clever with your Hawks coverage if you’re going to display this type of ignorance.

By BA

November 21, 2008 1:57 AM | Link to this

rms, Pryzbilla makes a LOT of scratch. We’d have to trade at least one of the starters to match up salaries. We don’t have that expiring dead weight to move this year (Lorenzen “doc’s favorite” Wright, T. Lue, A.J., etc.). Five Solomon Jones don’t make what Pryzbilla makes.

If we can get Smoove, Big Al and Pachulia’s left arm back, I think the frontcourt can work itself out fine.

Especially if Williams and Pachulia can play (and rebound) like they did Wednesday once Smith and Horford return.

By Clyde

November 21, 2008 3:34 AM | Link to this

Najeh Davenpoop hey I got man. I like Jada.

FIRE WOODY!!!!

By Nate ArchiBALL

November 21, 2008 7:36 AM | Link to this

Top Three 1) Halle Berry 2) Stacey Dash 3) Selma Hayek

By ray

November 21, 2008 7:39 AM | Link to this

MannyT,

I see I’m not the only one following the Turner/McDavid suit, and all the previously “unknown” info that’s coming out of it. Unfortunately, that cloud is still there. I can remember some ardent supporters of ownership over the summer that sought to decry all who said anything remotely negative about ownership’s finances. And here we have dear old Rutherford Seydel opening his prodigious pie hole once again, proving all suspicions correct. Needless to say, such sources are conspicuously quiet on the subject at this point. Perhaps they’d like to lend some spin to it again, along the lines of “well I knew all along the financial situation was dour, so I came in expecting less, therefore mitigating any possible disappointment.” Yeah…uh…let’s just stick to calling a spade a spade.

One thing is for certain. I’m sure all parties concerned and any fans paying attention are ready for this to be overwith.

By doc

November 21, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

several years ago pryzbilla made it very public he had no desire to leave the northwest nor any interest to ever come back to atlanta to play basketball. i would be very surprised to see where he has changed his mind as he found basketball heaven.

By richbrave

November 21, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

FLASH:

Way back at the end of training camp here in RICHMOND I saw McGEE and told our posters to grab him for their fantasy league team. Did you.? Still recommend the HAWKS try to sign him with a trade. He would allow HORFORD to move to 4.

By ant banks

November 21, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

Nate Ain’tchiball i don’t have a problem with any of the women that you all are listin’ but some where you all are failing to mention Sania Lathan

By St. Bernard

November 21, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

We gotta get Acie on the floor somehow. If we aren’t gonna play’em don’t draft’em.

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

Is Al Horford playing tonight? Anyone?

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Richbrave, Horford aint movin to 4. That’s Josh Smith’s position. He might play the 4 every now and then, but I doubt it’ll ever be his everyday position. Horford is a 5.

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Richbrave, Horford aint movin to 4. That’s Josh Smith’s position. He might play the 4 every now and then, but I doubt it’ll ever be his everyday position. Horford is a 5.

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

Richbrave, Sund said Horford was a 5. So unless he’s fired, we can kill that move Horford to the 4 s**. And yes, I like him at the 5 with Smoove at the 4, as you can probably tell. And btw, what’s up with ya boy Arenas? When is he coming back? And is Eddie Jordan on the hot seat yet? I know Woody would be, if we’started out like that. lol!!

By ant banks

November 21, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

they say that charlotte is pursuing mcdyess, heavily. what we can’t go get him? i no he would want to get back to detroit, but i know that we are a more attractive team than charlotte.

let’s go sund, step your game up!!

By richbrave

November 21, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

T.B.:

Long-term BIG AL’s gonna’ get beat down in there. He needs to be a four and SMITH a three.

By ant banks

November 21, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

terrell you said that horford is a 5. i beg to differ. horford is a 4, but the atlanta hawks have him playin’ the 5. horford is a natural 4.

if he was on a team with a legit big, there is noway that they would split time. he would be playin’ the 4.

By Clyde

November 21, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

My Top Three

1) Stacy Dash 2) Pam Grier 3) Melyssa Ford

ROLL TIDE!!!!

By richbrave

November 21, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

CLYDE:

PAM GRIER. Ma-ma-mia.!!!! Thats-a spicy meat-ball.!!!! Now you’re talking my genre dude.

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

Ant Banks, what is Mcdyess? How bout Ben Wallace or Rasheed? No bigger than Horford. And dont forget, he played the 5 all of last year and shoulda been Rookie of the year. You move him to the 4, he woulda stayed in foul trouble. Maybe in a few years, but not now. For him or Smith. Leave em where they are. Just my opinion. Josh Smith is developing into one of the best young PF’s in the game. Why move him to SF? He’s 6’9 240. Plus we need him inside defensively, not on the perimeter. He’s one of the best help defenders in the league.

By doc

November 21, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

after drilling the pressure shot on wednesday do you consider allowing marvin to be on the floor when the critical shot is to be taken and made. marvin hasnt been a;;owed to do that maybe his time will come since he delivered in a game. forgot that is not the way this coach thinks or doles out time. it is all about practice.

By JerryWest

November 21, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

Hawks are 3-0 in games where JJ scored less than 20, and 4-4 otherwise. Small sample, but…

By tyger

November 21, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this

Every year, we have the same conversations about Woody’s use of the bench.

This year was different before injuries took over, but yet again, Woody’s short rotation is exposed.

Add the fact that AC Law nor Solo look quite ready to play with the big boys underscores what we’ve all said all along.

And we see it happening all over again with Randolph Morris. Who, if brought along, could be a wonderful spring gift.

Yet, we have fallen once again into the JJ 48mpg cycle with similar results.

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

Dont take this the wrong way guys, I love JJ, but’s it’s about time for him to start showing some freakin emotion. This guy was an all-star for crying out loud. Guys can be hanging all over him, and he still wont get the call. And he just runs up the court as if nothing happened. If that was Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Bosh, etc.. they’d be crying like a b***. I’m not saying he needs to start boohooing to the officials all the time, but damn, do something. Let em no who you are Joe. I know your’re just trying to be a stand up guy and all, but I’m sick and tired of this nonsense. If you have to get a technical foul, then so be it.

By JerryWest

November 21, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

JJ is a legit superstar, but he has the body language of Igor from Winnie the Pooh. Add that to the poker faces of Marvin and Bibby, and the team without Horf/Smoove looks mechanical.

By hawks_4_life

November 21, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

The hawks are undefeated when everyone is HEALTHY. Just a tid-bit.

By JerryWest

November 21, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

Nazr Mohammod fits in perfectly at this point. Makes too much money though ($6 mill). I wish Bobcats bought him out, and we picked him up for Minimum.

By ant banks

November 21, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

jerry west/terrell barron jj’s body language and quiet demeanor is a reflection of the coach.

smoove is the only one that shows emotions and when he duz y’all call him immature and he gets fined by the hawks.

woody came up under b knight and was groomed under larry brown. you dont show emotions with these guys.

By JerryWest

November 21, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

ant banks -

1. Why are you saying “jj’s body language and quiet demeanor is a reflection of the coach”? JJ was emotionless with the Suns/Celtics as well. Nothing to do with the Woody.

2. Why are you saying “smoove is the only one that shows emotions and when he duz y’all call him immature and he gets fined by the hawks”? Smoove isn’t called immature for his emotions. He is called immature for his boneheaded decision making.

By Mychelfromatl

November 21, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Looks like another big crowd tonight at Philips!! See you there!!

Lets Go Hawks

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

B****** Ant Banks. JJ was the same way in Phoenix and Bston for that matter.

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

You took the words right out of my mouth Jerry West. lol!!

By Ariose

November 21, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Top Four:

Amerie, Rosalyn Sanchez, Stacy Dash, Meagan Good…….

About the two women that sekou mentioned:

One of them is overrated and the other just doesn’t cut it…….i’ll leave that up to your own interpetations…..

Besides, The Hawks aren’t overrated and we’re defentely legit when everyone is healthy heh…

Hopefully Wednesdays game got the Hawks back on track so we can go streaking back in the right direction………I want a blowout tonight…….it’s good for team morale lol.

…….Possible Harrington for Jamal Crawford trade pending…….

~Sir Links A Lot~

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

Knick just traded Jamal Crawford to GS for Al Harrington. Wtf?

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

Harrington comes off the books. Now I see why NY made the deal.

By Ariose

November 21, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

Bad trade for knicks. Good for us when we play the knicks this year (at least three times I beleive).

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Khao$

November 21, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Sekou, Any news on Horford tonight?

By ajw

November 21, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

My top 3:

Tiffany Mynx

Sunrise Adams

Christy Canyon

No Particular Order!

By k5

November 21, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Joe is the epidemy of the gift and the curse. His ability to remain calm is what allows him to flourish in pressure moments.This is also what subjects him to close calls not working in his favor. There is no thought given to backlash from Joe during games in reference to referees.Ref’s feel in some ways obligated to protect superstars.Not creating situations that cater to them, but allowing demonstrative reactions to influence decision making skills. Take the “flop” for example.The flop is nothing more than a calculated bait move designed to sway judgement on the ref’s part.You see it in all sports. If a hitter doesn’t glare back at the ump then it must have been a strike, but let him turn and take a long hike before returning to the box, it brings into question the call. This argument over whether Joe is emotional enough is rather unique. As much as I hate to admit it, I would rather leave Joe alone and allow him to retain his focus through his own methods. There are other ways to address Joes personality as it effects the team. Rick S. must realize that and make adjustments when continuing to build this team. Would Flip’s passion be so well recieved if he was added to one of those Blazers teams from the late 90’s, early 2000? No…but on a team that needed that from a veteran(Josh’s relationship with the refs/coach excludes him), it is praised.The team needs emotional balance, if not the officiating will continue to be a topic on Joes non calls.

By BA

November 21, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

doc, do you mean Marvin on the floor (in the pressure situations) instead of Flip the switch? That’s a tough one. I guess it would depend on how hot/cold the players had been in the particular game. But here lately, I’m leaning toward Marvin.

Terrell Baron is right. Horford is a five. It’s been established, like it or not. He averaged (nearly) a double-double in his ROOKIE campaign at the five.

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

How is it bad Ariose. The Knicks are trying to trim some of their outrageous salaries. Harrington comes off the books after this year. Also, the Knicks have Duhon, Robinson, and Anthony Roberson at pg. And I guess GS are still trying to replace Bdiddy and Monte. What happened to Marcus Williams?

By Ariose

November 21, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

TB, I guess for the future it’s better but not in the short-term. They won’t have a better record with Harrington than they did with Crawford…..I think they’re 6-5 right now……I think they have a lot of SF’s right?(too lazy to check)

~Sir Links A Lot~

By k5

November 21, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

BA, I agree. With Flip, his current in game rhythm dictates late game situations.

By ITCHI BALLS

November 21, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

ITCHIs in the house scratch scratch scratch. hello everybody Halle vs Vivica

I like Whoopi Goldberg and Rosie Odonnel the things i would do to that round body how about Sophia from the golden gurls. Hold on my girlfriend is coming.

‘Thomas are you on that dam blog again,I asked u to take out the trash. What the hell is so intresting on that blog anyway. Nuthing but a bunch of punks hating on my baby daddy. Thats right Woody can get i mean really get it id like to rub my crotch on his bald head”

WTF?

Oh Dam I have to go my gurls acting up again. Babby have seen the ointment u know i start to itch when im nervous ” I threw that s** out I hope u scatch your balls off ,may as well as much use as they are to me , im gonna sleep with the dude at my gym ive been eyeing his package and it looks jus right

Sorry you guys had to hear that she is crazy i gotta go ,until next time the ITCH MAN signing out

By ray

November 21, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

With that trade, Golden State gets better and NY just gets lighter in the wallet.

Uh, when was the last time Josh got a fine? Last I heard (for the last two blogs, in fact), people were clamoring for him to come back, and there hasn’t been a mention one of his “bone-headed decisions.”

Heh….

By Sekou K. Smith

November 21, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

Horford is starting tonight alongside Zaza. Look for some funky combos from the Bobcats. According to the dry erase board in the Hawks’ locker room they’re going to start Ray Felton and Kevin Augustin in the backcourt. It’s either a brilliant move by a Hall of Fame coach or a desperate motivational ploy by a Hall of Fame coach.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 21, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this

Interesting starting lineup decisions… Okafor and Wallace are both a little bigger than Horford and MW, while Augustin and Felton are both quicker than Bibby and at least as quick as Joe. Then again, none of these players is all that good consistently, so it would be surprising to me if this ended up being a difference in the game. If anything I’d think Joe would be unstoppable facing a lineup like this.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 21, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this

Ray pretty much nailed it about that GS-NY trade. NY is trying to shed salaries (this also explains the upcoming Zach Randolph for Tim Thomas trade) and GS is still trying to replace Baron Davis.

By Nate ArchiBALL

November 21, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this

Ant Banks and Ariose - In keeping with the basketball theme of this blog we should have picked a starting five……. Rosalyn Sanchez and Sanaa Lathan would be on my five with Eva Mendes, Gabrielle Union and Kerry Washington coming off the bench.

Back to basketball …..Jamal Crawford to Golden State. Monta Ellis and Jamal in the same backcourt - lots of buckets when Monta returns in mid December.

By Blast

November 21, 2008 8:32 PM | Link to this

That skinny white ref is killing us with those offensive fouls, man. So far he’s got Joe, Marvin and AL on questionable offensive calls.

Marvin is playing great!

By Blast

November 21, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this

How come the Wizards get all those calls, man? They suck!

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

When will Woody realize that Horford and Pachulia starting aint working. How about changing things up a bit and starting Solo with Horford. Bring Zaza off the bench. Please!!

By Blast

November 21, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this

They killing us with these offensive fouls, people.

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

Com on refs!! Where was the foul? Good block on Augustine Marvin.

By Blast

November 21, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

Joe finally gets a call! And an one! Thank you refs that sucks!!!!!!

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this

Evans’ shot is almost as flat as Chills’ was . lol!!

By Blast

November 21, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

Mo needs to stop getting those bad fouls. Flip needs to come out of his funk and stop smoking all that purple.

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

Why is it that every single pg we play end up looking like Isiah Thomas?

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

O.K. Woody Flip is off tonight. How about giving Acie some more burn, why dontcha?

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this

Horrible pass by Horford. Just horrible.

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

Damn Blast, that’s cold. Flip has been struggling though. I hope it’s not the purp.

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this

Nique, please stop saying Flip is struggling tonight. We know, we know!!!!

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

FlipMo’s playing more like Flip Wilson.

By MNF

November 21, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this

I can’t stand listening to the television play by play. The color man bumbles through the English language like a fourth grader that has marbles in his mouth.

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this

“Heat check time”. lol!!!

By MNF

November 21, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this

OH MAN, they’re playing the gayest song on the planet, ymca. How f-uped is Atlanta?

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this

Pleas put Acie back on Augustine.

By Tiger Woo

November 21, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

Excellent shooting by Bibby.

Horford really needs to work on his low post offensive game.

Flip Murray needs to slow down and get under control.

By terrell barron

November 21, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

Dammitt JJ!!! Stop all that freakin dribbling!!!!!

By Tiger Woo

November 21, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this

Dare I say it?

Marvin Williams - 2008-2009 all-star?

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 21, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this

Cut-and-paste my comments on the Washington game for this one — good to get a win, but if we go to Cleveland tomorrow and play like this we’re gonna lose by 25.

By Hawks Fan In New Orleans

November 21, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this

Wow. At some points of the game we looked like

By Hawks Fan In New Orleans

November 21, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

Wow. At some points of the game we looked like Ester Rolle but by the end we were Melyssa Ford. When J Smoove returns, its Buffy the Body.

By Tiger Woo

November 21, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

Can we beat Cleveland tomorrow?

Yes - if we …

Shoot better - 44.6% won’t do.

Protect the ball - 20 turnovers won’t do.

Get off to a quick start - can’t fall behind early.

and finally … lock Lebron in a closet somewhere.

By ray

November 21, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

8-4 sounds good to me. Finally, we take the Bobcats out.

Some observations:

1)DJ Augustin looks like a version of Jameer Nelson. Only faster. And probably better, in time.

2)Augustin went off, as quick pgs are apt to do against us. Wallace did his thing. Okafor, however, was largely contained and not much of a factor (though he did manage to come close to a double double). No one else was allowed to make a large contribution, and that really helped.

3)Marvin really does look good out there, and he’s stepping up more than anybody else really. I say that because JJ is really doing what he’s been doing all along. Marvin has definitely been THE GUY consistently in the last two games when it has come to stepping up. He has looked good on both ends of the floor, even going for some block attempts. The main thing is, he’s become a reliable threat on offense and is hitting the boards like nobody’s business. Clearly it’s one of the big differences for us with Josh out.

4)Bibby has hit some big shots for us. He looks like he’s much more comfortable these days playing in the slowed down half court offense that Woody prefers. We definitely aren’t running out there, and I think that hurts us. Still, Bibby is hitting some good shots when we’ve needed them. Defense is still an issue, but he’s played better there in spurts…

5)Ball movement is still an issue, and so is trust. On occasion, we’ve seen JJ or Bibby make some good passes to teammates like Marvin, Zaza, and Solo. However, too many times we saw a two-man show between Bibby and JJ. There’s a distinct problem with that. For one thing, Bibby no longer has the speed and jab-step to put enough space between him and his defender, to create his own shot. For another, JJ does have what it takes, but he’s being doubled because the opposition always knows what he is capable of. So, this half court two-man offense can go stale quickly, and all too often. We need to swing the ball more, and guys need to move around more. This has proven to be what it takes to get guys like JJ and Bibby open for those big perimeter shots. One particular series of possessions like this that really bothered me was when Acie was in the game with them, and he was summarily ignored on offense each time. And yet, he did not seek the ball. Why does this still look like design to me?

6)What happened to the Flip/Mo squad here lately? Flip isn’t providing the “O”, and Mo isn’t providing the “D”. Hmmmmm. Well, maybe they’ll get it together soon.

As I said, 8-4 looks good to me. We pulled one out again, against a known rival. Let’s keep it moving! We really need to show out against Cleveland. It will be a tough game (being on the road and all), and against the astronomically performing King James, but we need to send them a message too….

By Da Real Real

November 21, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this

Not satisfied

I would have liked to see us blow these guys out because I know that in previous years the longer we let these guys hang around the more of a pest they become and well…that’s what they became. Its good to see us win and 8-4 looks a lot better than 4-8, thats for sure but there are still some questions that have to be asked about our beloved Hawks. Why is it that we get off to these slow starts night in and night out? We can’t keep getting off to these incredibly slow starts and I guess like we’ve all been saying that problem will be resolved once we get completely healthy.

Other then that its nice to see that Marvin is giving us good effort night in and night out. It use to be that he was on one night so hopefully he can keep that going.

I do have a comment about the one on one stuff from JJ, Bibby, and Flip. One quick thing that we can’t forget is that JJ has almost put in 10 asst. the past two games. I’ve noticed the one on one stuff but I’ve also noticed a lot of awkward….sloppy turnovers from where guys are actually trying to show some team work. The passing has been off for the past few games and I dont know if thats whats causing JJ and Bibby to not feel comfortable with getting the ball to other guys outside of Marvin. There was something like 20 turnovers I last heard tonight….If they convert some of those instead of turning the ball over we’re probably not even having a conversation about the one on one stuff.

By Ken Strickland

November 21, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

CLYDE-if you want to see what Pam Grier looks like in her birthday suit, get the old 70’s move call “HIT MAN” staring Bernie Casey. Until you see her in all of her naked glory, you will never truely know just how unbelievably well endowed that 6’ piece of chocolate really is. After seeing that, you’ll know what Viagra extra strength is like. Let me put it this way. AFTER SEEING HER NAKED, IF YOU CAN GO 7HRS WITHOUT AN ERECTION, YOU SHOULD SEE A DOCTOR.

After seeing that, old SHAFT got angry, and I had to beat him down. I’m sorry, I must have gotten carried away by the Hawks win, Heh Heh. Speaking of the Hawks, where are all of you Marvin and Solo haters? You made up crap as an excuse to redicule his play, like talking about his feet, his walk, his butt, his lack of 3pt shooting or the way he drove to the basket. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY NOW?

This summer, I was the only person that supported Solo’s decision not to participate in this yrs summer camp. Woodson, and most of you, didn’t have much confidence in him, but he never lost conficence in himself or his abilities. I think it’s a lot harder for Acie because of the responsibilites of the position he plays. I also think he’s afraid of being mistreated and pushed aside like he saw Woodson do Salim. So he tries to be what he thinks Woodson wants him to be, the perfect error free no risk taking PG, instead of the player we drafted out of college. Acie knows, if he plays the way Flip Murray played tonight, he would be buried in the far corner of Woodson’s doghouse.

Instead of developing players, Woodson approach seems to be geared more towards developing attitudes, both his and the players he has issues with.

By doc

November 21, 2008 11:13 PM | Link to this

my top three:

catherine deneuve

raquel welch

christy brinkley

all aged as well if not better than a 62 bourdeaux

good to see the hawks pull one out. yeah BA gonna start callin for marvin to get the ball in crunch times instead of joe or bibby. good d at the end.

flip is beginning to worry me as he is going into the hole and coming up with nothing toooooo often. again if it were acie playing like that he would be one the bench for a week. i am getting tired of the vet distinction bs.

also looking forward to seeing some of the solo horford and josh front line. it needs to be used to get ready for the lakers and such. solo gets called for some trash as does horford.

By kirkinga

November 21, 2008 11:33 PM | Link to this

Really big win for the Hawks tonight.They seem to have reversed course and gotten back to finding ways to win instead of losing.

Without Smith and with Horford and ZaZa not fully healthy they prevailed in a game that they could’ve easily lost.In previous seasons they often buckled under the weight of turnovers, I see improvement in this area.I’m really happy for the team and the coaching staff, good work by all.

It’s a win but I see some still insist on finding something negative. “Glad they won but there was this play in the 3rd quarter I just didn’t like…”. :)

Poor Hawks, even a win can’t please some fans.Can a perfect game every be played?Always something to complain about I guess.

Tough opponent and hot team tomorrow night. Tall task even if fully healthy. Hopefully they surprise and pull the upset.

Go Hawks!!

By Hawks Dad

November 21, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this

Well I’ll be directing my youngins away from this version of the Hawks Blog! “Mature” men talking about sexy senior citizens and bodily reactions. Wistful thinking I’m sure.Oh and by the way, the Hawks won, now back to talking about some old ladies.

By Ariose

November 22, 2008 12:47 AM | Link to this

LOL @ Ken!!!!!

Ken, I too supported Solo flying soli for summer training instead of playing in the Summer Leauge.

Joe Johnson is a slow starter…..he’s like an old car, you have to let him warm up first(And adjut to the defense) That’s where smoove came in. Even though he may not make all of his post attempts, he’s aggressive 24/7. He get’s his, that’s for sure, and it takes a lot of pressure off the rest of our players……Smooove is always forcing the issue. I had hoped he’s be back for tomorrows showdown in Cleveland but it really doesn’t matter as long as we win…….hopefully.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ariose

November 22, 2008 1:55 AM | Link to this

5 reasons to beleive in the Hawks…

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ariose

November 22, 2008 2:16 AM | Link to this

Damn Vick, WTF?Why? Now this is just rediculous. Are you dumb or are you stupid? Or is you just DumbStupid?

I knew it had to be something way worse for him to just accept his time like that……maaan, that average person don’t even do stupid S%!t like that and they don’t even have Millions of dollars to worry about…… guess it’s the same reason he’s so good on the football feild, No conscience.

Vick probably enjoyed Passion of the Christ too heh….

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ariose

November 22, 2008 2:57 AM | Link to this

Lorenzen Wright reflects on his time as a Hawk lol…..Also it seems thet Cleveland is ready for us and the FlipMo squad isnow turning heads…

~Sir Links A Lot~

By NikkiFree

November 22, 2008 4:42 AM | Link to this

Don’t be so quick to judge. Josh Smith is out. Maybe it’s just Halle without makeup. Josh Smith comes back. Halle puts her best face on. Voila!! Vivica who?

By richbrave

November 22, 2008 5:44 AM | Link to this

29th, HAWK-dom. Another “W” with HORFORD back in the line-up.

By richbrave

November 22, 2008 5:54 AM | Link to this

KEN STRICKLAND:

A “duck” to a swan.? Wow. DRMARY would be pleased.

And the PAM GRIER thang. U-u-u-h-rah.!!!!

By ant banks

November 22, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

wow, i never imagined that we would be here. 8-4. that 44-50 win season is lookin’ possible. with 70 games left, if we go .500 that would put us at 43wins. with everyone healthy, i think that we will finish waaay above .500. im thinkin’ we can win 44games out of these last 70 games, givin us a 52-30 season and the 3rd seed.

all of this is assumin’ that we keep bibby for the remainder of the season

By ant banks

November 22, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

speakin’ of bibby…yeah he has been hittin’ some clutch tres, but when he is in the game we are nothin’ but a jump shootin’, no free throw gettin’, caus we ain’t drivin’ to the hoop team.

i swear we are a different team when flip is in there vs bibby. when we go against better teams bein’ a jump shootin’ team will work against us

By ant banks

November 22, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

i have been to all but one of the home games and have seen the road games on tv…we do not run the high screens or cutters to the basket, at all.

and we only drive to the basket when flip is in there. does anyone have an idea as to why we dont run screens and cutters?

By ILL-logical

November 22, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

Good list Nate but my fav is Gabrielle Monique Union.

Now about the Hawks: if we are to use the attractive actrees analogy then the team is currently Regina King-more attractive in person but still not the first choice of the serious playa playa.

Solution(s): Convince the current incumbant head coach that playing JJ 40+ minutes a night is in neither the team’s nor his best interest; develop a line up that brings MW off of the bench for added scoring punch to allow JJ’s reduced time not to mean lack of scoring; and,finally, AL is NOT a 5 no matter what RS/the broke a** management says; he is taking one for the team but as sure as the Pope wears a beany, he and his agent are going to see how long this bs is going to last. Every “expert”has said that AL is a future all-star POWER FORWARD. Helping the team has been good but this a business and if the current BASP group can’t figure it out some other team will.

By doc

November 22, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

funny when i looked at my list of three just now i have to believe i have a lot of coach woody in me …. seems i like vets too. heh heh

By Samuel

November 22, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

1) “The real” Vanessa Williams 2) Beyonce 3) Halle/J Lo

Vanessa Williams is not only beautiful but classy and multi talented. Beyonce is well, Beyonce(Nuff said). Halle is “drop dead” gorgeous but kinda slutty at times.

The game last night showed me a couple of things.

1) At least we THINK we’re in the top tier of teams in the league. The reason I say that is they was we disrespected the Bobcats. It was like we knew we could turn it on and beat these guys and we did. Not a good habit but at least it shows confidence.

2) Marvin is ready to take his game to another level. I hope he keeps it up.

By Sautee

November 22, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

It’s a win but I see some still insist on finding something negative. “Glad they won but there was this play in the 3rd quarter I just didn’t like…”. :)

Poor Hawks, even a win can’t please some fans.Can a perfect game every be played?Always something to complain about I guess.

Poor bloggers, even a few realistic comments are found wanting by our “blogger blogging on the bloggers”.

Can a perfect comment on the game be made? Some insist on finding something negative. Always something to complain about I guess.

By doc

November 22, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

samuel, i see you like the vets a bit too.

By Ken Strickland

November 22, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

RICHBRAVE-I’ll admit I got carried away and went over the edge in my attempt at crude humor. And for that I apologize, to everyone.

The Hawks have hit a bump in the road, but we all know why, INJURIES. Remember how we started last yr, with a winning streak, and then came crashing back to earth. In fact, the entire 1st half of last season was lousy. Yet, we put ourselves in position to make the playoffs by what we did the 2nd half of the season. This season will not be any different, except we won’t back our way into the playoffs because we are talented, deep and mature enough to determine our own destiny.

This time around, we will not only make the playoffs, we’ll challenge for the Southeastern Conference title and home court advantage in the 1st rd on the playoffs. It’s obvious Marvin Williams worked his butt off this off season and successfully improved upon his weaknesses. In fact, he seems to have turned previous weaknesses into strengths. He’s not only hitting the 3 with amazing consistency, he’s hitting it consistently in the clutch. He’s also rebounding with aggression and consistency, playing some serious DEF and he’s cut way down on his turnovers driving to the rim. He’s stepped up in the absence of both Horford and Smoove.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I feel far more confident with Solo manning the 5 than Zaza. He’s more active on DEF and is a much better finisher and defender under the basket. He challenges every shot and rebound, and more importantly, he’s been amazingly consistent, while Zaza has been up and down.

I’ll bet there are some HC’s, like Don Nelson, that have looked at the speed, quickness, talent, versatility, athleticism and depth of the Wawks and are salavating at the idea of what they’d accomplish if they could coach this team, or one like it.

By Blast

November 22, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

Art Banks we will keep Bibby throughout the season. My money on that. Also, isn’t it kind of nice having pg’s that play different styles? Bibby with his spot off shooting, Flip/Acie with their driving abilities? Gives teams a different look, you know. I like your other point also. Play 500 ball game rest of the season and we win 44 games. I expect them to play better than 500 too.

Terrell I love Flip, not trying to hate on him or nothing, but sometimes he does look stoned out there.

Ken Must agree with you. Pam Grier of the 70’s was da S**!!!!

I see folks blogging through the night as usual. Don’t you folks ever sleep? Ariose in particular. Love the passion, though. Keep the links coming.

I hope the Hawks win tonite. If they can knock of Cleveland without Josh, then that will be a real statement game. They cannot start slow, though.

Go Hawks!!!!!!

By DUPREE

November 22, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

The last few games, AC Law has had a positive impact on the team defense. Against Charlotte in the third and fourth quarters he was gaurding DJ Agustin who had been killing Bibby all game. Augustin was not a factor when guarded by AC. In the home game against the Wizards in the second half he restored some defensive energy to the team, and got the offense playing as a team.

By Samuel

November 22, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

Yea Doc I do. Matter of fact, let me retract my rakings and replace J Lo with my girl Sade and while i’m at it Iman and Tyra banks 50lbs ago. Does this thing ever stop. Alicai Keys, Chilli……..

By doc

November 22, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

look out samuel ken is going to do a woody on us. heh heh if you keep that up.

By richbrave

November 22, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

KEN STRICK:

Apology.? What for.? Dude she “stacks” up with WELCH et. al. in my book. You are just testifying to man’s gospel of this earth. Preach on. Now the hereafter - well that’s something else.

See my HAWKS flying and my WIZARDS being LIZARDS. The 19th looks more like two teams playing with several essential ingredients on the shelf. The difference is the HAWKS can do without theirs and the WIZARDS cannot.

By doc

November 22, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

no quick stops to the fall eh richie?

already their leader arenas is quoted as saying maybe a high lottery is best for his team.

By kirkinga

November 22, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Poor bloggers, even a few realistic comments are found wanting by our “blogger blogging on the bloggers”.

Oh, the irony!

By michel'le

November 22, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

Sekou and Gents You all are hilarious with your comparison of the Hawks to Vivica and Hallie.

Do you mind if I add it from my perspective? When the Hawks play ugly I liken them to:

Tyrone Hill, Poppy Jones, or Sam Cassell

When they play beautifully, I compare them to: Rick Fox, Denzel Washington, or Fred Williamson (Since you all are going back to the 70’s with Pam Grier)

By Ken Strickland

November 22, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this

I have to admit that I am pleased to see Marvin step up this season. I realized what we had after his dominant performance against the Sonics last yr. It was obvious Woodson and Marvins teammates made the decision to make him the featured performer that night, and he didn’t disappoint. Since leaving high school, he hasn’t been a featured or go to guy on the teams he’s played for. So, he hasn’t experienced or developed a take charge mentality, which isn’t a bad thing on this team.

When everyone on our starting frontline is healthy, they will be hard to handle. How many teams have interchangable 6’9” bookend forwards that can shoot the 3, rebound and drop 25-30 on any given night? Horford is a very physical athlete that is both a 4 and 5. Some think he will wear down playing the 5, but I’m not so certain. First, we play a switching DEF. And secondly, he’s going to play aggressively and physically no matter which position he plays.

Let’s face it, we are one very exciting team to watch. And with 3pt shooters like JJ, Bibby, Evans, Murray, Josh and Marvin, teams now have to pick their poison. Unlike Hawks teams of the last few yrs, we are deep and versatile enough to win without our key starters playing at the top of their gm.

The injuries and adversity we’re going through now will only make us stronger for the 2nd half of the season. Before Horford and Josh were injuried, how many would have believed Marvin would become one of our top rebounders, DEF/OFF players and 3pt shooters,, especially in the clutch? Let’s hope Woodson takes the leash off Acie Law and allows him to become the All American clutch performer he was in college and during preseason. GOOD LUCK TONIGHT YOU HIGH FLYING HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By cp

November 22, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

Good win last night. I only hope that Marvin keeps this type of mindset when Josh comes back…. Flip has been pretty bad the last few games. He is getting torched defensively, bad ball-handling, and his shot is not falling. Time to get Law some more minutes. We really need a legit big man coach to come in here and clean up Horford’s low post game.

I really like Augustine. The only knock on him coming out of college was his height. ray trust me he is already better than Nelson. Nelson is a shoot first pg. Augustine was setting up his guys very well last night. He made some rookie mistakes but I think he is going to be a good one.

With the NBA league pass I was fortunate enough to catch the other teams play by play guys lately but last night I got Nique. I love the guy but man it was brutal. I was wondering if he was watching the same game at some points. He said the Hawks were letting the Bobcats hang around but the Bobcats had the lead at that point. I was like huh. Then he said Okafor was not getting any clean looks but he said this after Okafor had like 3 uncontested dunks after Augustine found him under the rim. Don’t even get me started on this heat check thing he does every 10 minutes. I love Nique but they have to get someone in there to replace him.

By reese

November 22, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

I’d be a minstrel support to all the Queens of beauty mentioned above. Instead, I supported the hawks last night by attending the Bobcats game.

Not a pretty game at all. The lady sitting behind me fell asleep. My college buddy was nodding as well. There was more crowd excitement during the time out skits than in the game. Except for the last 3 minutes.

However, the hawks did win. Why was this game close. The hawks did not push the pace of the game. The hawks did not play with high intensity.

Why did the hawks win. The veterans of the team made their shots down the stretch. Bibby, Joe, Evans and Marvin hit their open shots.

Whereas the Bobcats rookie Augustin was indecisive in the final moments. He didn’t know if he should keep shooting or pass the ball.

Marvin plays better at this slow pace of a game. Bibby and Joe seem to prefer it as well. However, they can adapt to a faster pace for short spurts.

You would think that Zaza would do better at this slow pace, but he was a non factor.

Ac and Flip were also non factors on the offensive end at the pace that both Mike Woodson and Larry Brown were happy to have their teams play.

I hope that the hawks don’t think that they played great defense or offense during these past two games.

Too many unforced turnovers on offense and still poor defensive rotations on defense. Joe is playing too many minutes and taking plays off during the game to get his rest.

Solomon Jones is aggressive on the defensive end and still weak with the ball in his hands on the offensive end.

Horford really misses Josh Smith. I think that he prefers the speed at which Josh plays than the plodding pace of both Marvin and Zaza.

I hope Woodson noticed that larry brown was able to provide playing time for 12 players while keeping the game close and providing an opportunity for his team to win.

By Hawks Fan 80

November 22, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this

By Kirknga

Poor bloggers, even a few realistic comments are found wanting by our “blogger blogging on the bloggers”.

Oh, the irony!

Yeah I think that was the point of that post you monkey azz punk. Only you did not come close to getting that it was about you.

By Blast

November 22, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this

Another slow start!

By Blast

November 22, 2008 8:07 PM | Link to this

Hawks are getting good shots, they are just shooting cold right now, while Cleveland is getting anything they want. Hawks can win this game, but only by clamping down on defence and making shots.

By Blast

November 22, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

Without Lebron, the Cavs are a pretty ugly basketball team, but the Hawks are not taking advantage.

By Melvin

November 22, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this

This may sound crazy but the Hawks are down 19 pts and it’s not b/c the Cavs are playing that great. The Hawks are just playing dum. No ball movement on offense. Too much one on one and jumpshots. All the Cavs have to do is stay on their man b/c the Hawks are not sharing the ball which would force the CAVS to rotate on def. We’re not getting any easy shots b/c we’re not breaking their defensive sets.

By Blast

November 22, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this

Slapping the floor? No tech on Lebron? Can we say one sided officiating?

By terrell barron

November 22, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

Just when Marvin starts to flourish, the rest of the guys take a step back. To be honest, Marvin is playing like he’s our best player right now. Did I just say that? lol!!!! It’s the truth though.

By Nothing Personal Just Business

November 22, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

Starbury for Bibby n Speedy. The Hawks need a Clamp at the lead Guard. Some strength. Steph has been drug through the mud. He wants to rebound bad.

By Blast

November 22, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this

This is a massacre.

By Clyde

November 22, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this

FIRE WOODY

By Hawkdog15

November 22, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this

Everyone’s guards are torching us night in an night out. Acie Law is the only one putting pressure on his man an Flip is a ball hog!! He shoots it everytime he touches it. everyteam knows he going straight to the basket. ZAZA is not a long term option, lets be realistic. He has no low post moves. Woody is awful, I see no adjustments after halftime, we are playing the same ole stand around offense, an the guys have come out lethargic 4 games in a row. We win off of talent, not coaching. This is p** me off the way they are playing an i dont wanna hear about back to back nights, you’re professionals!!!

By Blast

November 22, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this

Hawks need to double Lebron, stay on williams, and let other guys beat them.

By terrell barron

November 22, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this

Acie is looking good. Give the kid some more minutes Woodrow. Please!!! And where was RandMo when we were down 25 points?

By Hawkdog15

November 22, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this

I think Woody was trying to make ACIE his next Salin Stoudamire but Acie is to talented an stronger mentally for Woody to make him another bust. GIVE HIM MORE MINTUES NOW I SAY!!! He should come in before Flip depending on the situation. DUH!!!

By terrell barron

November 22, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this

Please take Joe out. He acts as if he does’nt want to be on the floor.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 22, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this

Well, there’s one silver lining from this game, and I think it’s pretty obvious. We now have a legitimate reason to cut Bibby’s minutes against quicker point guards who regularly torch him. Acie has been simply outstanding tonight.

Quite a hideous effort by the starters tonight though — not only did they play bad, but the effort was lacking too. Joe Johnson’s now had two of these games in the last three where he looks like he blazed before the game. That is unacceptable for a superstar.

By gypsyjoe

November 22, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this

We played beter in the 4th but man shooting 20% in the first half and you will not beat a high school team. Acie had a great game. Zaza was a no factor as was JJ. I am in cali so I can not see the games. What is the main problem with the slow starts?????

By doc

November 22, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this

this result wasnt to be unexpected as kirk pointed out in his earlier post. so be it and not disappointed at all. now need to get ready for the bucks and win the home games that are in our reach until back to full strength. now only can wonder when acie earns some play time ad what it takes for him to get to play without a choker collar around his neck for the coach to pull on when he isnt perfect.

By The Hawkster

November 22, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this

Najeh:

Right on the money about JJ! I read this blog all the time seldom post. I love Joe but he forces it so much. Sometimes he demands to take the ball up too! Bibby even passes it off!?! I know he is going to come back next game and go off but dang he’s a pro. Imagine Lebron with this type of game. He’s our superstar. We need Josh in a bad way. He defends! Never gives up on a play. That energy means alot to the team! Horford is averaging less without him. They play well off each other with passing and defense. Acie is better than Bibby period. Bibby has no dee! His man becomes an allstar every night. I could beat him one on one. He can’t move but he still can direct a team. Acie has to play against these quicker points. Give credit to Woody he did notice it finally. Marvin started off great. Flip needs to sit when Acie’s in the game cause he shoots and Acie can’t get off. I was impressed with Woody sitting Zaa and letting Solo start the second half. Solo needs a chance. I’m down with that Solo, Josh and Al front line. Once again Al does nothing against the taller player. He has to get smarter then he can take advantage of them. Alright I’m done. Go Hawks!

By The Hawkster

November 22, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

One more thing… ACIE you will get minutes if you keep taking it to the cup like you did tonight! Don’t come in the game shootin jumpers like everyone else lefty!

By Astro Joe

November 22, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

So Flip is shooting less than 30% from the field in his last 5 games and 2-12 from 3-point land during that same stretch. That is nothing short of wretched shooting. I warned folk that he would have some “Ty Lue” moments. At least Mo’s O has gotten better, although I am still waiting for him to show us his tenacious defensive skills. Yep, real easy to replace a 55% field goal shooter who scores without the ball and finds the spots on the floor that translates ball movement into easy baskets. Oh well.

If we can get another win in the next 3, we will come out with a 9-7 record during this hideous 16-game gauntlet to start the season. Let’s hope that some rest and some home cooking helps with the coming Bucks game.

Night all. And go Falcons!

By Ken Strickland

November 22, 2008 10:33 PM | Link to this

What have I said we’d get from Acie if Woodson ever decided to take the leash off. Solo has proven that AROISE and I were right about him, Marvin is proving I’ve been right about him and Acie is starting to prove I’ve been right about him as well. You can’t develop your physical skills under gm conditions sitting on the bench. You certainly can’t develop and/or maintain your confidence if you know your HC will punishes you with consistent inactivity if you make a mistake.

To me, it really seems stupid to have a philosophy that punishes rookies for their mistakes, which you would expect from them based on their inexperience. Yet, you are perfectly willing to give veteran players, who should perform at a higher lever, free reign and allow them to make the same mistakes over and over without recouse.

Woodson’s illogical approach to dealing with players, expecially young inexperienced players, has had a limiting effect on the development of Acie, Salim, Solo and has caused Zaza to regress. It’ll be interesting to see how Woodson reacts to Acie’s performance with the number of mins he gives him next gm.

By richbrave

November 22, 2008 10:36 PM | Link to this

Whoa is me. HAWKS AND WIZARDS down to defeat. ‘ZARDS lose to seven players in N.Y. Four of them score 20+. VIEWER QUESTION: Where’s the defense.? WIZARD ANSWER: WHAT’s DEFENSE.?

On either side. 122-117. 16 made three’s for N.Y. Early, the entire defensive perimeter left undefended for the most part by WASHINGTON. The WIZARDS pack it in to protect in the middle and the KNICKS catch fire outside. Which then opens up the middle. Defenders caught in between. How’d the HAWKS do on defense tonight.?

By The Hawkster

November 22, 2008 10:55 PM | Link to this

Hawks interior dee still sucks! Horford dosn’t have the motor that Josh does on both ends of the floor. Forget Josh’s turnovers man. Woody won’t run plays for him so he forces it sometimes. Hell he won’t run them for Williams that’s why he sits in the corner and disappears in games. Flip comes in and thinks he’s the show! It worked earlier and it may work again but dam give it up MAN! It causes other team mates to shoot whenever. Ok, Oklahoma has finally won a big game already. What are they 1 for 12!?!

By Blast

November 22, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

Hawks are 8-5. Considering the terrible schedule, the road games, bad refs and injuries, they are sitting good at 3 games over 500.

By reese

November 22, 2008 11:16 PM | Link to this

The hawks defense was pathetic. However, their offense in the first half was worse. The combination of Zaza and Horford were overmatched by Ilgaukas and Wallace.

Ilgaukas was able to float away from the basket and make shots. It didn’t matter if he was open or someone in his face. Both he and Wallace deflected missed teammates shots into the hands of faster footed teammates. The hawks were slow going after deflected rebounds.

When Woodson went to the small lineup in the first half, Marvin and Joe were slow on rotating to cover the cav players who were open cutting to the basket because they got by Bibby or Evans and Horford went to challenge the shot.

In the 2nd half, neither Horford, Evans or Solo could stop Lebron’s drives to the basket or alley oop catches. Solo was not strong enough and Al was playing below the rim while Lebron was above the rim.

Woodson placed a lineup of AC, Evans, Solo, Horford and Mario West at the end of the 3rd and beginning of the 4th. This lineup was able to cut a 28 point lead down to 13.

However, Mario missed his free throws and couldn’t get a decent shot off. AC missed free throws.

Then Woodson puts Joe back in the game and it was obvious that Joe wanted to be back on the bench watching. He did absolutely nothing when he came back on the floor.

I would have like to see him step up and cover lebron. I would have liked to seem him work the refs when they were giving his teammates fouls for touching lebron.

Below are examples of where I would have liked to see Joe talk to refs about the calls they made with the anticipation that the refs would give the hawks players a call later on.

1) AC Law drove to the basket and was fouled. After he was bumped his off hand flung out and hit Lebron in the face while he was coming to challenge the shot. AC received a Technical foul. I’ve never seen a call like that before.

2) Al horford was covering lebron in front of the Cavs bench. Al had his arms up and Lebron just raised his arms into Al and they called a foul on horford.

3) Solo was digging on offense while Ilguakas had the ball on the perimeter. Solo forces Ilgaukas to walk and the refs called a foul on Solo. Dominique chatized Solo for picking up a foul while Ilgaukas was so far from the basket. However, Ilgaukas had made most of his points from perimeter shots. Solo was playing defense the way I was taught. That is swing your arms and hands upwards so that you will be under the ball which means you won’t hit the offensive players hands when he starts to dribble.

Sometimes I wander if Dominique is watching the game or just repeating phrases that he has written down before the game. He needs to go back and watch the Indiana game to learn how to provide analysis from Snapper Jones.

By The Truth

November 22, 2008 11:36 PM | Link to this

Ken You made this comment: It’ll be interesting to see how Woodson reacts to Acie’s performance with the number of mins he gives him next gm.

Woody has already reacted: During the post game interview, Woody gave no positive recognition to AC play. When asked by the reporter what did he think of AC impact, Woody basically said he has seen better. I thought that was negative. I hope I’m wrong, but it appears that Woody is playing politics with AC performance. Because an omission that AC had an impacting PG performance would be an indictment on his utilization of AC. Woody would rather trivialize him then compliment him. Looking at it from this prospective, AC made Woody look bad tonight.

By ray

November 22, 2008 11:45 PM | Link to this

Not as bad a loss as it was shaping up to be.

Najeh,

I agree wholeheartedly and have been saying that Acie can really get something done if given 20 minutes to work with (and not in 2 minutes bursts here and there). You’re absolutely right: cut Bibby’s minutes against the quicker guards. Not just that, but when we need to run. Dude is getting up the court, beating the defense, and dragging at least one other guy up the court with him. And he’s getting to the line. Gotta love it.

Ken,

Have to give you credit on the Solo call. He’s been proving himself big time this season. What I like even more is that his teammates are giving him the ball now, and though he’s not used to it, he’s actually trying to convert…and succeeding at times. He’ll get better. Just think, he’s turning out to be a lot of what we drafted that other guy for much earlier that fateful June evening….

It appears that I saw what a lot of other folks saw. Good, because I thought I was seeing things. JJ definitely looked like he wasn’t into the game much. And regardless of production, he’s looked kinda out of it the last few games, as some others have noted. Again, this has nothing to do with his statistical performance (the night before, he scored 30 and still looked out of it). I hope all is well with him.

Well, I guess I give way to the blog auditor…it’s about that time, I reckon…

Night, y’all. Go Falcons! De-claw them there kitties!

By jerrywest

November 23, 2008 1:24 AM | Link to this

Woody dislikes Acie. Acie had a great game agaisnt Rondo in the playoffs. Woody said he’d use Acie more after that game, but he never did. Tonight, after the game, he didn’t acknowledge Acie’s emergence.

By Clyde

November 23, 2008 4:26 AM | Link to this

FIRE WOODY

Lets not forget Woody was the same man that wanted to sign Speedy Claxton instead of draft Chris Paul.

Woody should have but Acie in in the 1st quarter when the Cavs went up by 15. But oh no he wanted to stick with Bibby and Flip and watch them get torched.

This stuff is getting old. Woody sticks with is logic instead of sticking with the man with the hot hand.

Mike Bibby is good but all he does is shoot jumpers. He ain’t quick enough to get by his man and he plays no defense. To me he reminds me a lot of Tyron Lue when he was here.

I like Flip but he looks to score too much. The Hawks need a true point guard that can distribute the ball and the closest thing we got to that is Acie. But the bad part about that is Woody can’t see it.

Even Sekou said it. I remember he wrote a piece on how the Hawks did last year. He said Acie Law was not brought along properly. And guess what he still isn’t being brought on properly.

Hey and Ken. I was one of the first to say Solomon Jones needed more minutes. Give credit where credit is due.

FIRE WOODY!!!

By Clyde

November 23, 2008 5:27 AM | Link to this

Hey I forgot one last woman on my fine as hell list. This is another one for for my old school cats.

Beverly Johnson

By Ken Strickland

November 23, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

THE TRUTH-Good point. That kind of attitude towards Acie’s performance reminds you of the attitude he took towards Salim Staudamire. What’s revealing to me is, during the 1st few yrs when we weren’t expected to win, Woodson allowed players like Salim and both Joshes to learn from their mistakes and develop. After a solid rookie season, Woodson seemed to sour on Salim’s swagger and/or confident attitude and started messing with his head and using a lack of consistent playing time to break him down, like his mentor Bobby knight would have done. Woodson seemed more interested in using Salim as the sacrificial lamb to show the other players he was in charge, with little concern with furthering Salim’s development and increasing his benefit to the team.

As team and coaching expectations increased, so did Woodson’s reliance on neteran players and his negative approach and intolerance towards the mistakes and overall play of younger less experienced players. Acie enters the picture as a 1st rd pick possessing the same swagger and confident attitude, and the same reputation as a clutch shooter and performer, that Salim had when he became a Hawk. Now, it seems Woody has developed the same attitude towards Acie, and is trying the same old BS, that he pulled with Salim.

RAY-you made a good point. I hadn’t thought of it that way, but Solo really is becoming the DEF presence, or LANDLORD, BK thought Shelden would be. One thing about Shelden. While he didn’t live up to his overall billing, he didn’t disappoint when it came to rebounding.

CLYDE-you are correct. I’m not certain, but you might have been in his corner before me. I do remember you taking a stance in favor of playing Solo. You might have brought him to my attention. As far as OLD SCHOOL DIVA’S, what about Rochel Welsh and Jane Kennedy. I admired them both, although my admiration for Jane came after she dumped her pimp of a husband, Leon “PENITENTIARY” Issac Kennedy. She showed him the kind woman she could become without his anchor around her neck. I would just love to see that XXX rated video she made. And for those who are starting to wonder about me, yes, I am a dirty old man who was once a dirty young man.

By clint

November 23, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

I agree with Clyde, Solomon deserves to get minutes even when josh comes back, and when is josh coming back? I like the Idea of signing Deke, per Sekou, can’t have enough bigs? 8-5 is a great record considering the injury to josh and the schedule so far

By doc

November 23, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

i hope ‘my boy rick” is talking to woody right now asking what took him the most of three quarters to find five guys with fresh legs and maybe what are his own issues with not saying that acie is coming along as we expected him to, seems to add a spark and is playing at a much higher level that he was last year? the next thing is to sit down with the assistant coaches and ask what they are able to add to the mix when in game adjustments are necessary and woody isnt quite on, like his superstars bibby and jj. seems those three’s worst games occur at the same times or is it woody depends on those two guys to the point he cant see other assets or when to sit those guys down? just questions of inquiring minds

By terrell barron

November 23, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

I told yall to leave Acie alone. Just give him some time. Get em Acie.

By richbrave

November 23, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

I liked what I saw of LAW in the WIZARDS game. Maybe WOODSON thinks ACIE won’t play the coach’s game.

By Ken Strickland

November 23, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

DOC-all of us saw the impact Acie can have on a gm and the difference in the way he approached this gm. The question is, what made that difference. This was the 1st blowout we’ve had this season and Acie didn’t have to worry about making a potentially gm changing mistake. Therefore, he felt free to do his thing and take risks withour drawing Woodson’s ire.

Instead of trying to run Woodson’s limited OFF, he consistently attacked Cleveland’s DEF and took it to the rim. With Acie disecting Cleveland’s DEF, instead of sending lethargic jumpshooters like JJ and Bibby back into the gm, Woodson should have provide Acie with inside finishers like Morris, Hunter or Solo. WOODSON HAS DONE LITTLE TO HELP THIS TEAM OR IT’S PLAYERS. IT’S THE TEAM AND ITS PLAYERS THAT’S BEEN CARRYING HIM.

By ray

November 23, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this

Uh-huh, now a bunch of people come running to Acie’s defense.

Of course, the key now is to consistently perform with as much gusto and effect.

On another note…..*Yeaaahhhh Falcons!!

By cp

November 23, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this

Woodson is pretty much the same coach he was when he first got here and that is not a good thing. His adjustments are rare. He still lets vets stink it up out there instead of going with the young guys and developing them. Still has no offensive system.

By Blast

November 23, 2008 9:54 PM | Link to this

We need a new blog, Sekou.

By HB Ando

November 23, 2008 11:28 PM | Link to this

Wow, a lot has happened since my last post, right after we lost to Boston, to go to 6-1.

The next morning my wife’s 96-year old grandmother had a heart attack. She passed away on Sunday morning. We drove to Philly on Tuesday, and got back last night. Like everyone here (I can only assume, given the cycle of life) losing a primary family member is always emotionally devastating. So I’ve been taking care of family while the world keeps spinning.

As far as the Hawks, since I last posted, they’re 2-4. And since Friday’s blog, Sekou’s forum has generated 900 posts. Some things change, some things stay the same.

The record of the two teams the Hawks have beaten, during that time, is 4-19.

So there’s a pretty obvious question: which Hawks’ team is the “real” one? The one that started 6-0? Or the one who’s gone 2-5 since then?

And, with Josh Smith out, is the answer as simple as him being healthy? If so, then $58 million was a bargain (and thank you to Memphis, for the token, restricted, offer, meant to quiet local critics, rather than ever being intended to seriously shoot for the acquisition of Smith).

The losses have seen some fairly major, individual efforts, from opposing point guards and centers. Rookie Lopez had a big night, at NJ. Rasho puts up a Garnett-like line of 21 points, 7 boards, 5 dimes, 2 steals and 3 blocks, while Murphy goes for 19 boards.

Devin Harris destroys the combination of Hawks point guards.

So which team are they?

While I didn’t make a big issue of it here, due to the rabid aggressiveness of pro-success bloggers, I had quite a few conversations with folks like Ray, Doc, Jhan, and Sautee about the idea that the Hawks came out of the gate at playoff-level intensity. And what I wondered was if that could realistically be maintained. My thought was that most veteran teams, with high expectations, ease their way into the marathon that is the 82-game regular season. I even sent an e-mail to SS with a subject line of: “the tortoise and the hare”.

There were quite a few notable opinions, here, who stated that the East WAS NOT improved, contrary to the thoughts of a few folks like myself.

Yet, while we are only 2 games out of second, in the East, we are also only 2 games out of 12th.

The folks who discounted NY, NJ, Miami, Milwaukee and Chicago, who are all no worse than one game under .500, should reconsider the notion that the Hawks are the only team who has improved (and understand that 37 wins won’t garner the 8th seed).

The six and oh start was very exciting. But they’re not that good.

The 2 and 5 follow-up is bad, but they’re better than that.

They clearly need Josh back. But more clearly, they, hopefully, have learned, that they’re only at their best when they bring maximum intensity. They’re not good enough to just show up, and rack up a win, like a Boston.

It’s now a 69-game season. And they’re starting it up 3 games. .500, from here, makes them a 44-win team. And that’s probably good enough to make the playoffs. But it’s not the same kind of team that won it’s first 6 games.

So are we talking “solid, if unspectacular”? Or are we talking, “shock the world!”?

Either way, it seems like we’re not talking “draft lottery”. But some consistency would be nice.

By HB Ando

November 23, 2008 11:37 PM | Link to this

Interesting that folks are spending so much time discussing Acie, who gets inconsistent minutes, like every other reserve in the NBA. Looks like he’s solid on some nights, and inconsequential on others.

Bibby had 10 points, 1 dime and 1 board, with zero steals, against the Cavs. Seems like Acie is being held to a higher standard, on many nights, than the Hawks $15 million point guard.

Did Acie not put up 20 points, 7 dimes and 6 boards, in the very same game?

By richbrave

November 23, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this

ANDO:

“They’re not good to just show up, and rack up a win..”

Wait ‘till the 29th. With HORFORD in the line-up and no HEYWOOD or ARENAS in sight, they WILL win.

By HB Ando

November 23, 2008 11:49 PM | Link to this

Is it too early to ask, “what’s a Marvin worth”?

He’s at 14.5 and 6, with a tad more than a three a game.

Harrington, who he was drafted to replace, averaged, in his last season as a Hawk, roughly 19 and 7.

So how much should the Hawks offer Marvin, this summer? And given the way the Josh Smith situation played out, more importantly, how much should the Hawks match, to keep Marvin?

By HB Ando

November 23, 2008 11:56 PM | Link to this

RB, my bad for failing to clarify.

They ARE good enough to just show up, against your Wiz. Especially since your $110 million man is already publicly talking about how pulling a “Duncan” is in the best interests of the franchise.

Since we’re now viewing the Hawks as a legitimate playoff team, I was referring to their scheduled games against other “playoff” teams.

These days the Wiz and the Bobcats have replaced the Hawks as the “scoff fodder” of the NBA.

Haven’t you heard? The Hawks are legit. Says so right here on the Sekou Smith’s blog……..

By doc

November 24, 2008 12:16 AM | Link to this

they are legit until they go on the road in december for four straight games against three contenders in the west and miami and return on the 13th of december to play king bron. that stretch preceeds a long stretch of 8 home games. with luck josh is back and playing at full strength before they hit the road. that will be a storm to get through. would like to think this team can get to about 6 games over .500 by new years with that many home games.

By BA

November 24, 2008 12:32 AM | Link to this

Before I get started, two quick points-

-condolences and prayers go out to ando and his family-

And on an issue of far less importance- if the Hawks are no longer a scrub team like Charlotte, somebody should call and tell the cheap b**rds at XM radio to start carrying all (or even most) of the Atlanta broadcasts. Of course, if they were on a local station that, you know, you could actually PICK UP..I might not be dependent on the XM coverage.

I don’t know what Marvin Williams worth is- somewhere below what Smith got, but far more than he would’ve gotten before what could turn out to be his breakout season.

I’m convinced that the absence of Josh Smith has left Atlanta deficient in so many aspects… from the obvious (the blocks, the offensive rebounds) to things that (I for one) took for granted. Here’s one example-

Earlier Ray lamented the lack of fast-break scoring, as it related to Bibby’s comfort level. I think 70% of the running is generated by Smith, with his blocks, outlet passes and steals. Not to mention all the points he scores alone on fast breaks, and he’s the only player that Bibby can throw up a lob KNOWING Smith can bring it down.

He’s our Kirilenko, our motor. When Smith returns, the entire dynamic of the Hawks will make a serious turn for the better.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 24, 2008 12:57 AM | Link to this

“Is it too early to ask, “what’s a Marvin worth”?”

I’m not trying to hate on Marvin — he’s been great this year — but I still think the Hawks’ strategy concerning him long term should be to trade him. The core of this team is still Joe, Josh and Al to me, and in the next few years first Joe and then Al are gonna be up for extensions. We’ve all been beaten over the head with the DASG’s financial troubles, and it’s unrealistic to think that they would be able to afford to keep paying Josh, extend Joe at the max level he’s gonna command, and give Al the minimum $10 mil/year salary he’s gonna command while also paying Marvin big bucks and having a decent supporting cast. With future financial flexibility in mind, I’d say show just enough interest in keeping him to entice another team to pay him a big deal, and then sign-and-trade him when the time comes.

By HB Ando

November 24, 2008 12:58 AM | Link to this

Thanks, BA.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 24, 2008 1:13 AM | Link to this

On another note, remember how in the ‘05 draft when Marvin was drafted ahead of his more accomplished college teammates McCants, May, and Felton, and everyone wondered how a bench player from that team could be drafted first?

Wonder where those people are at now…

By doc

November 24, 2008 1:21 AM | Link to this

as we mention a number two pick in the draft in marvin another former number two for 1995 comes back into the headlines. his numbers are similar to marvin’s at 13.5 and 7.7. yup, a. mcdyess with similar stats to marvin is heading back to detroit as soon as the 30 day wait is over.

By HB Ando

November 24, 2008 1:36 AM | Link to this

How much is McDyess going to command upon his return, doc? That’s probably as much as Marvin’s market will be……

I still think that both Marvin and Bibby will be playing elsewhere next season (and, once again, I’m not advocating trading either). I just think that most folks are underestimating the literal impact of our economy on professional sports’ franchises. The ASG was never well-funded. And I don’t think an improved Hawks team will override the reduction in game day purchases, across the league.

By BA

November 24, 2008 3:15 AM | Link to this

Here’s how I see it-

One of ando’s prior points was the value of an expiring contract- especially what Bibby makes.

The value therein is the biggest reason I don’t see them trading Bibby, but I do see them letting him walk, because that will create flexibility in terms of resigning Williams and the Hawk’s activity in next summer’s free agent market. Having taken Marvin at #2, and having seen the flashes of talent during the last two years, I can’t see moving him. I’m of the opinion that he has a LOT of upside, and I’d hate to see them let him go and have it come back to bite them in the azz.

Acie Law’s performance this season will predicate what happens- if he isn’t up to snuff, they might have to resign Bibby, or someone else to run the point. It will also be interesting to see how Sund drafts.

By Samuel

November 24, 2008 6:43 AM | Link to this

I figured a few losses would bring our Buddy back. Welcome back Ando. Sorry about your granny.

How bout them Tupelo Hustlaz?

I think we’ll(Hawks) finish betewwn 5-7th in the East.

By richbrave

November 24, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this

HB:

You’re preaching to the choir. drmaryb and I along with few others were the ones castigating the denizens for being so down on the HAWKS last season.

And I usually call a spade a spade. I’ve repeatedly posted here how bad the WIZARDS were going to, are, and will be. How’s that analysis coming along.?

I could do the same for the HAWKS if I saw them often enough. I don’t so, I can’t analyze as those of you who regularly see the ATLANTANS can. Not a quick study where B-ball is concerned, but I know defense wins games. And defense starts on the base-line. The HAWKS have it with HORFORD. The WIZARDS don’t without HEYWOOD.

ARENAS is the root of the team’s problem player-wise and giving a one-legged man a 111 million contract is the other. POLLIN’s is personally a good man, but not a good sports-business man. He should have rejected GIL’s throw-down and cut his losses. Taken the money and signed some other high-octane players of equal abilities. We’ll see if GIL plays up to his old level if or when he steps back on the hard-wood. Personally I doubt it, but he’s psychotic about basketball and the gym-rat may prevail on the court. Just sayin’.

By Lacsho

November 24, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

Good to be back from Jersey. My contract ended early. Hmmm what a difference two weeks makes. I was able to catch some of the games. Since Smoove has been out this team looks and plays different. Hopefully, we can get our swagger back, once Smoove returns. Woody has to do a better job with identifying a lackluster effort, and I think he needs to take chance by playing the bench longer minutes.

Ray

You said Acie will play better if he can get decent minutes off the bench. You were absolutely correct. I still have concerns about the way Woody plays Acie. Ray what do you think about Woody thus far?

I’m still not happy with Bibby’s performance. No matter what he does on offense, his defense still sucks. He’s a 15 million dollar liability. He can’t guard a point guard, and he’s to small to guard a shooting guard. Is it to early to start trade talk, or do we wait and see how the team responds once Smoove gets back. We need a veteran big man who can post a double double every night.

Marvin seems to be playing well. That left hand dunk against the cav’s was nice. However, I didn’t like JJ’s body language. I don’t know what’s going on with JJ, but I do know we need consistent play from him, and we need consistent play from the entire team. I still like my seat on the wagon. There’s going to be peaks and valley throughout the course of the season.

Ando

My condolences go out to you and your family. Man those tolls are off the chain. I know I spent 10 or 12 dollars on tolls. The Delaware toll is ridiculous.

Doc & Manny

What’s good fellows?

Banks & Najeh

I’m getting busy in our fantasy league. Looks like I have the number one spot. I don’t know how long that’s going to last, however; I’ll bask in the sunshine while I can.

Peace Hawks Fam!!!!

By A Black Woman Concerned

November 24, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

You couldn’t make this point without making a mockery of Vivica? I don’t beleve in stepping on someone else to elevate myself, and this is what you’re doing here. It’s very mean spirited. How does your wife compare to the two you mentioned? And what has Vivica done to you?

By MannyT

November 24, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

new blog up