Hawks

By Gypsyjoe

November 6, 2008 12:17 AM | Link to this

Sekou,

One game at a time but MAN…

These guys are showing some real toughness that I have not seen from The Hawks in years. Keep it going guys.

By Peter Griffin

November 6, 2008 12:28 AM | Link to this

Holy frickin’ crap! I haven’t had this much fun watching the Hawks since taking MARTA down to the Omni to watch Dominique vs. Bird!

By This Gets Old

November 6, 2008 12:40 AM | Link to this

Watching these first three games it’s as if they’re a totally different team. I would never say anything against JChill because I loved that young brother but Flip and Mo? Damn!

I don’t even want to think about good they could be if Marvin starts knocking down treys. The 07-08 team probably loses these three games. When teams made a run at them they folded. And the D? I don’t want to get too happy because I don’t want ‘em to break my heart but they do look good.

By Lacsho

November 6, 2008 12:46 AM | Link to this

If the Hawks attack the rim more, and chill on some of those jump shots, they become a very dangerous team.

The difference between Flip and Bibby is Flip gets to the hole and he doesn’t settle for jumpers. However, he can hit the jumper too.

Smoove needs to chill with the jump shots. I don’t mind him missing shots in the paint, and his passing was suspect tonight. However, his defense was fantastic. He should win the shot blocking title this year.

Once Al develops his post game. the sky is the limit for us in the east. We need that post scorer. If Al could ever demand a double team it’s a wrap. He needs to work on his weak side defense also.

Marvin should start to silence his critics. Like CP and I said, Woody should’ve left Marvin in tonight. He might be the biggest Marvin hater.

Acie defers to the veterans; he’s playing like a damn robot. He dribbles the ball across the court, and gives it up. Then he tries to hit a jumper. Acie is a slasher; he needs to drive to the hole and get to the free throw line.

When you miss several jumps shots, somebody needs to take the ball to the hole and draw contact. I think Marvin can make that happen, but Woody hates on him too much.

This team is playing outstanding defense.

Woody coached a pretty good game, but sometimes his substitutions are suspect.

JJ is the muthafreaking truth; He’s a serious problem. Now that he gets some rest during the game, he really looks fresh going down the stretch.

Sekou what is going on with Speedy?

Great Win!!!!

By JohnGTFan

November 6, 2008 12:53 AM | Link to this

I knew the Hawks were better this year (anyone still upset ATL didn’t give Chill 10 mil a season), but I had no idea they were this tough. JJ was right…the offense will come…and when it does…if they continue playing defense like this…to h*ll with Philly…ATL will be a top 4 or 5 team in the east. Most people expected ATL to lose to Orlando and N.O. A 3-0 start with the next game at home against a tough Toronto team. If ATL starts 4-0 with this schedule…come on…this team is for real folks!!!!!

By Wow

November 6, 2008 1:07 AM | Link to this

Amazing… can’t believe it… hopefully it would continue….

By HB Ando

November 6, 2008 1:33 AM | Link to this

Lac, the other difference between Flip and Bibby is roughly $14 million in salary……

Don’t think that point is lost on the ASG, ‘cause it’s not.

These guys are not the Dolan’s. And you can now add comments from Bud Selig to the actions of David Stern (laying off 9% of the NBA’s work force), highlighting a significantly negative impact on league revenues, due to the damaged economy. Why folks, here, continue to ignore the logical impact of said economy on the historically underfunded ASG, is beyond me.

We still have a “book” payroll of over $63 million, which is $8 million more than these guys have ever committed to a Hawks’ payroll. Yet there’s nothing that suggests they have either the increased revenues, nor the enhanced financial capability, to drastically increase their payroll outlay.

I still smell a salary dump.

And Bibby continues to be the ridiculously obvious candidate.

Not about wins and losses. It’s about dollars and sense…………

By TJ

November 6, 2008 1:35 AM | Link to this

I was at the Hive, quietly rooting the Hawks while the crowd around me wondered who the hell they were…it was hilarious! The Hornets would mount a run, CP3 would get ‘em going, and then Marvin/Joe/FlipMo would hit a three. Or if a three was missed, they’d hit the offensive glass. In fact, a quote from a fan after Marvin hit that 3 in the 4th: “We just lost to the Hawks!”

My assessments of this team:

The Hawks frontcourt hit them boards today. Hustle points = Hawks -Joe Cool can get wherever he wants, whenever he wants. Not much ISO JOE tonight (a good thing; lots of ball movement, if not a bit too much, at times) but when he did, he was CASH MONEY. -Smoove’s post moves are improved (had a nice move on DWest in the 1st half) -Their defensive scheme was very effective tonight: Playing big on CP3; Smoove outplaying DWest tonight.

I don’t know what the Celtics did to our baby Hawks, but they got some moxie. As we say here in Louisiana, GEAUX Hawks! - Marvin with the intangibles tonight; the threes and the hustle (that I haven’t heard/seen from him)

By Ariose

November 6, 2008 1:42 AM | Link to this

…yup…and I actually meant 6-0 heh……boston is the 7th game lol…

MARVIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!..(Get Big Youg Fella…..Hard Work!!!!!)…nothing else need be said….he smacked us all in the face with that performance. Smack me again!!!!!!!

CP3 Where you at? Flip told you to *get *big……you did aight’ lol, but your team…..thats another story lol…….

The Hornets just aren’t the same without Jannero Pargo. I love Mike James…..he was great for Houston and that 04-05 Pistons squad that won the Chip’……but I just don’t think he’s the right fit for them……….Salim on the other hand….plays kinda like Pargo…..maybe they should look into that.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By BA

November 6, 2008 1:45 AM | Link to this

Nobody here, short of me, Ken Strickland, and my boy Ariose (7-0, babe!) DARED to predict this kind of success. To be honest, I didn’t even expect this kind of team-wide defensive intensity. Some of the best moments:

Did ya’ll see ZaZa out on the perimeter (I think in the third) on D?! This guy has become an animal!

Loved all the fouls to break up potential Hornet fast-breaks. Smart fouls.

Marvin Williams is emerging as one of our better defensive players. And his fourth quarter three was critical. But more impressive to me was watching the kid rebound his azz off tonight.

Bibby obviously has struggled with his shot. But he’s playing much better defense than I remember last year. Flip Murray is fearless, and fortunately effective offensively.

Last year Ray wrote a great post discussing a perceived Woodson weakness- something like “when was the last time Woodson drew up a nice play out of a time-out, like a Jackson or a Poppavich would?”

In these three games Ray, how have the “Wooden One” (props to RichBrave) timeout plays looked? This guy, like his players, is evolving. It’s like every substitution is working. I haven’t seen a Hawks team this cohesive since I was old enough to drive a car.

I’m not seeing undersized. I’m not seeing a lack of depth. I’m definetely not seeing an unbalanced roster…

By Clyde

November 6, 2008 1:47 AM | Link to this

The Hawks got off to a hot start last year. Lets hold our horses and let the season play out.

Flip Murray can play. He was a good pickup.

But enough of the Hawks Lets talk about the Tide. Hopefully Mount Cody will be back for Saturday’s LSU game. We’re going to need him. Its going to be a war but I think the #1 Team In The Nation will prevail.

ROLL TIDE!!!!!

By SQUAWKER

November 6, 2008 1:56 AM | Link to this

Wow, great post-game blog, Sekou. We may have to require one of these after EVERY game.

We were certainly impressive tonight, my friend. I think NOLA is the #2 team in the West, and while they probably werent quite prepared for us, we showed in the fourth that we can play with them when they are.

Also, Marvin has too pretty of a stroke not to be able to hit the open three with consistency. It will take him a second to load up, but hey, he doesn’t have to be Kobe to give us a huge lift.

Also, I would be curious to hear your impression of the impression Mark Price has had on guys like Marvin and Acie Law. That guy could stroke and we were follish not to bring him on board sooner, considering he has wanted to do it for some time for us…..

Thanks for what you do, Sekou, your the man. Also, for getting back to me on the idea of Bibby being traded at the deadline - I agree it probably makes sense to let his contract expire, but I had to ask considering the value of expiring contracts like his in trades….

By blue hawk

November 6, 2008 3:31 AM | Link to this

Sekou

Notice that Al Horford is averaging 4 APG?

He’s a really good passer for a big man and he averaged more then 3 during the playoffs last year.

About Flip… before the season began, I felt that our best five would have Flip and Joe on the floor at the same time. Both have enough playmaking ability as well as excellent scoring ability. At the same time having that extra “umph” from Flip’s aggressiveness (notice how Detroit wanted that extra “umph” from AI in terms of scoring and playmaking?).

I’m just hoping I will see more and more of Flip and Joe together on the court especially during end games.

By hawks-4-life

November 6, 2008 5:54 AM | Link to this

Was just over at www.realgm.com and I was reading a post of a “long time ” hawk fan. He gave his analysis of the hawks (this was after two games), and stated Woody is incompetent because the hawks dont run enough pick and roll plays for Al. Now correct me if im wrong, who coached up to our first playoff win this millenium? Who is currently the coach of the undefeated hawks. My point is will there ever be a time where we can say good job Woody and just give credit where credit is due?

By Samuel

November 6, 2008 6:41 AM | Link to this

Ando,

Get over it man. It aint happening.

By doc

November 6, 2008 7:21 AM | Link to this

samuel, i know you hate the three pointer but it is the best part of the game. risk reward and the play between the ego and the coach.it is the analogy of shooting at a dangerous pin placement in golf or using the driver instead of an iron off the tee, ego, ego, ego. all really good contenders have it pretenders dont. 12 bagged tonight but more important will be whether the team can forget its importance today last night and make sure they dont get lazy and continue to work for the shots and play d rather than rely on it. that is where the coach and team collectively and individually have to go after a big win tonight. yes woody seems to be puuling on all the right strings and the team is responding. marvin with a three ball is huge because teams will tend to allow it and if he becomes fearless will tear their hearts out.

By JD

November 6, 2008 7:28 AM | Link to this

As always,

Defense and rebounding WIN.

Offense follows.

By chuckw/deadjournalist

November 6, 2008 7:36 AM | Link to this

clyde - good point regarding last season. i was thinking the same myself during the game.

but you know what started to change with me last season? toward the end of close games, i actually got the feeling the hawks would find a way to win. while they didn’t will all (or maybe even the majority of said close games) they did win some and there were a handful that they were one shot away from winning …

i’m standing by my 47, best case 50, win projection. three games does not a season make, but they way they are winning it what brings hope: they are winning ugly.

by ugly i mean they are doing what you have to do to win. they are playing hard and playing smart. to reference a my post a few blogs ago: that’s how champions play.

it’s a long season yet, but if they can keep playing with the same p** and vinegar in their veins, it bodes well for the team, the city and the long-suffering fans.

ando - you make a valid point regarding bibby and his salary situation. my question to you is what kind of revenue would be generated by a hawks team, that wins 50 game and have five home playoff games vs. a team that wins 39 games and misses the playoffs?

while i don’t think bibby makes and 11 game difference, to me it is an example of a best-case/worst-case scenario. Is arena and ticket sales revenue generated by 1,000 more fans per regular season game and five playoff games $5mil? maybe more? maybe less?

as the teams stand now, everyone knows their role. and most people excel when they know they role they play in an organization. this team is showing early signs of doing just that. if bibby was traded, it disrupts a number of players roles.

if another starting point guard, who makes less $$$ than bibby is acquired, he’d have to learn the offense. if picks or other position players are acquired the team would be reliant on joe johnson and flip murray to hand the ball, because acie law isn’t there yet.

as good as flip (and mo evans) have been, i’d much rather have them as the team’s 6/7/8 matching up against the other team’s 6/7/8 than against the other team’s starters. as it stands now, it is a mismatch that favors the hawks. that advantage has, and can continue, to produce more wins.

so let’s say the team salary is $8mil more than was budgeted. but if that is off set by $4-5mil in additional revenue does it become less of an issue?

unless bibby is traded to a team under the cap, the hawks would have to take make the almost the same amount of salary as they are paying bibby now. and that doesn’t save any short-term cash.

additionally, with bibby, you know he is coming off the books at the end of the year, whereas a trade would most likely bring back a salary(s) that the hawks would most have on their books for at least another year, if not more.

if a good trade, that helps the organization on and off the court is there, by all means, make it. but if things are so bad that the team can’t afford to make payroll without unloading salary is a shear dump mode, then we have bigger things to worry about … like getting used to the idea of the seattle hawks or kc hawks or a return to the st. louis hawks.

none of us know, because no one knows exactly what is going to happen until the ownership situation is resolved.

but in the meantime, it sure is nice watching the hawks play and knowing they finally have a chance to win.

By mavid

November 6, 2008 8:01 AM | Link to this

LOL Ando, talk about being a wet blanket.

By Dan

November 6, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

I would like to see the Hawks give Horford more of a break. We have an entire season Put in Solomon Jones and Randolph Morris some? I think if you give the starters rest they will be strong at the end of the season plus give our bench some expierence? Also if you give them rest when the starters come back in they will be fresh and tire out the starters from the opposing team

By The Truth

November 6, 2008 8:14 AM | Link to this

Carry-over comment from other blog

This Woody Marvin thing reminds me of MJ back in the day. They use to say, when MJ was unstoppable, the only person who could really stop him was Dean Smith. I’m not saying Marvin is MJ, but it is apparent to me, when he is hot, the person who is really stopping him is Woody. Even when Marvin was not scoring he was rebounding and very efficient on offense (much better than Stojakovic).

By hawks-4-life

November 6, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Dan

Al is averaging 32 mins per game. How much more time on the pine you want one of our key players to spend there?

By Hoops

November 6, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

Hawks Fans

Think back to last summer when all of us were whining and complaining about Rick Sund and Mike Woodson. The Hawks were not doing anything with Josh Smith and his contract negotiations and they let Chills slip off to Europe. Most of us were really giving it to the Hawks Brass. Wow! Look @ the Hawks now. I know it’s early and there are a lot of games to be played, but you have got to like what you see right now out of this team and this coaching staff. The mismatches that we were concerned with are working in the Hawks favor and the coaches are getting it done!!! The three playoff teams that the Hawks have played so far, had a very hard time matching up with the Hawks!

Keep it up Hawks, you are doing great!!!

By Dan

November 6, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

Hawks for life. Everyone always talks about salary cap. How about than this. Hawks can save salary cap by cutting those bench players that never ever get in the game and pay me 1/4 of what they pay them to sit and do nothing. I guarantee that I can do the exact same thing and actually better because I won’t ever complain about my playing time and never ask for a trade or demand a raise. One could think of it as the start of the Obama plan of creating new jobs !!!

By Dan

November 6, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

I know what your going to say but they play in practice? Let me quote one of the best NBA players of all time.

Not a game not game we talking about” Practice? Not the game man? How silly is that” Were talking about practice”

By The Truth

November 6, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

Dan I like that one!

By Lacsho

November 6, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

Ando

You’re absolutely right, and I stated before flip was brought here for a reason. We signed him to a two year contract. If Acie grabs his n*ts and regains his swagger the future will be rather bleak for Bibby. As of now though we need Bibby, so I’m going to pipe down on that argument.

Woody did a good job, but I will lament this a thousand times over leave Marvin in the game when he’s on fire with that being said, I see Woody has let Marvin close out several games. No coach is perfect; I think Woody is keeping his word, and he’s really playing and developing his bench. However, when a superstar on the other team gets into early foul trouble in the first quarter, one must tell the players to take it to him, and get him out of the game. Every time Paul went out of the game, we ran up the score. I think Howard got into early foul trouble the first game, and we let him off the hook. Those are the things we have to improve on.

Ray

You told me you were a little hesitant about sharing my optimism. You said the road schedule in the beginning of the season was very tough, and I agreed. I stated the new acquisitions of Flip and Mo will allow us to win more road games. I was very adamant about this; I felt they would not let us get co placement on the road. Then we agreed time will tell. I think time is starting to tell. These wins are not flukes. Just like you said recently this is a different team, and I agree 100%.

Smoove is doing a great job, however; he has to stop crying about every call. I notice he was jawing back at Woody during a time out, and I see Woody didn’t hesitate to sit his azz down. There are too many good players (not great players) but good players on this team, so if you have a meltdown, you can get set down, on the bench next to Woody. Come on Smoove focus on your game, and let the refs do their job.

BA

Don’t get it twisted; I’ve been a firm believer from day one. There were times when I believed to strong, which led to some unnecessary arguments on this blog. I not going to make a bandwagon comment; I believe all the faithful on this blog are true Hawks fans.

Clyde

Yeah we started strong last year, but last year the schedule wasn’t as tough.

The funny thing about watching these Hawks last night I never felt we were going to lose. Matter of fact, I’ve had the same feeling during every game this year.

DOC I concur we can’t get comfortable shooting jumps shots. Driving to the hole opens up the floor for us to shoot uncontestant jump shots, which leads to a better percentage shot?

By Lacsho

November 6, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

Dan

We need to keep all of our players. In this marathon, you never know when an inury will occur. Therefore, if something happens to one of our bigs, we have another big already fimilar with our system, that can step in and get the job done.

By terrell barron

November 6, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

Hey Sekou, Whats your thoughts on the Bibby situation? After watching a rejuvenated Ronald Murray, do we really need him that much? Does he stay after this year? Do we move him this year? Everyone has their own opinions, what’s yours? And is it me, or does Marvin not looks as awkward as he use to? Maybe his bodyu is starting to fill out? And he shoulda been shooting 3’s a long time ago. He makes em with ease. Btw, That was a clutch 3 he hit in the 4th qtr. And so much for all you guys who say Smoove is a sf. He just outplayed Brand Friday, and West last night. 2 of the premier PF’s in the league. He’s too athletic for those guys. PERIOD! I’ve said it, and I’ll say it again. Smoove at PF, Horford at C. Thats our best bet. Especially with Zaza playing well.

By roan st

November 6, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

Ando, are you a true fan or some kind of damn hawks antagonist? The hawks are off to their best start in years and are surprising everbody in the east and now you’re trying to claim the team will implode because of the economic crisis. GEEZ dude. LOL. If the hawks keep winning and selling out phillips want their revenue situation improve over last year regardless of the economy? Some of the things you write makes me question your fanhood. Are you p** off because of your prediction that they want make the playoffs is looking grim? Why can’t you just enjoy what the team is doing in the here and now and quit worry about gloom and doom scenario’s.

By terrell barron

November 6, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

Lacsho, Woody the biggest Marvin hater? You’ve got to be kidding me? Where were you from 2005 until last year, when Woody would leave him in the game when all he was doing was taking up space?

By hawks-4-life

November 6, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

Dan

I call them contingency plans just in case the unforeseen does happen, meaning injuries.

By Lacsho

November 6, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

TB

In the begining when we knew the Hawks weere not going to make the playoffs, he let Marvin develop. That developement led to the present Marvin. However, since Marvin has developed, Woody has been known to take him out of the game whenever he’s gotten hot. Check the film on Marvin last year bruh. Every time he got hot in the first quarter, Woody would set him down and let him cool off. Then he would put ice cold Marvin back into the game. You watch the Hawks faithfully, and you can’t tell me you haven’t noticed this.

My hole complaint is leave the guy in when he on fire. Substitue him if he’s playing suspect. One thing I have notice about Marvin, he’s become a better defender and rebounder.

By Astro Joe

November 6, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

Let’s admit it guys, this team is also a better coached team. Many of us have wondered if Woody would evolve as a coach. After 3 games (clearly not the best sample) he has. We can’t laud the performances of the bench or JJ or Josh or anyone else without ackowledging the coaching. And as a founding member of the “I Hate Woody” club, I am amazed to be putting this in writing. We wondered if he would use the bench, he has. We wondered if he would change up rotations to play the “hot hand”, he has. We wondered if the offense would run more than the “iso JJ” play and it has. Woody and his staff are doing very well thus far.

Lastly, it has been so long since this team has had quality depth that some don’t seem to remember how to use it. You don’t say “Flip had a good game so let’s trade Bibby” or “Mo played well so let’s trade Marvin”. You recognize that every player will have good and bad games and depth is the thing that allows the team to win despite those volatile individual performances. Has anyone ever heard of a player getting injured? Maybe missing 5 games or more? Did you know that the season lasts more than 10 games? Keep the depth, keep the team together, keep the chemistry. Here’s guessing that the ASG has already lost a ton of money since buying the franchise. If you’ve lost $100M over 4 years, is paying Bibby $6M after February going to send you over the cliff?

By richbrave

November 6, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

WOW. It was just about one year ago that I discovered this blog. My rookie season is almost up. drmaryb showed at roughly the same time causing some to think we were joined at the hip. Both of us berated the denizens for being down on the HAWKS. As I said then and will reiterate now, I like what I see in the ATLANTA club. High energy, solid core.

The negativity then was as thick as the love is now. And today everyone’s scrambling for some of it. At this point, it looks like my prognostication of 45 wins is way-y-y too low. Better wait for that coffee cup to be drained though.

There were a couple of WIZARDS starts similar to this and then the injury bug began to bite. It gonna’ be a thrill ride fans. Hang onto your letistibles and enjoy the show.

Can’t wait to see the blood on the floor when the HAWKS and WIZARDS square off. Then you’ll see the truth of HEYWOOD being missed. The WIZ-world can get along without ARENAS, but you’ve got to have a defensive big in the middle. At this point they don’t have it.

By ILL-logical

November 6, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

So far, so good. but before anyone breaks their arm patting themselves on the back, consider this:1)Acie is not setting the world on fire so Flip is getting more of his minutes. So, who might be traded may become a whole different issue; 2)the interior defense is still weaK;Marvin still doesn’t rotate well and if Josh is out on the perimeter,then there is a open invitation to go to the hole; 3)Josh is getting pounded by players 20-40 lbs/ 2-4 inches taller and getting no calls. That may be the source of some concern on his part.

And last but not least, we will not be sneaking up on any teams from here forward.

By HOME GROWN

November 6, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

I’m new to this blogging thing, but I feel like I’m at home. Me and the boys at the barber shop have been screamin about how much of a change there has been with our team. Defense wins rings, and it’s not how you start, but how you finish; this TEAM has done both with good team defense and finishing teams like Sub-Zero! I wanted Bibby and he has made a difference (with Law and constistancy from point); I wanted to keep JCHILL and his absence has made an even bigger one. We have a bench that we can count on and a scheme that has beaten three good teams (Mr. Woodsen). I can not say that I predicted a 3-0 start, but I did say 45-50 wins with a healthy team. Nothing helps a great finish like a great start, I think that we will have both!!! Hello playoffs again!

By Sautee

November 6, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

JohnGTFan

About this post of yours:

November 6, 2008 12:53 AM

I knew the Hawks were better this year (anyone still upset ATL didn’t give Chill 10 mil a season), but I had no idea they were this tough.

Who here was upset that the Hawks didn’t pay Chills$10M?

I never saw a single post that advocated giving him what the Greek team offered. If you can go back and find even one, then OK, I’ll accept this premise, but I only saw dismay at the way the front office handled the so called negotiation. I never saw a single post that said, yes, let’s match that Greek offer. EVERYONE seemed to think that it was too much for what he brought to the court.

The Hawks are indeed doing well without Chills, but let’s not rewrite history.

By ProudTechFan

November 6, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

Amazing win last night, I was looking forward all day to watching the game. I didnt think we would come out like we did, but we were very impressive early, knocking everything down. I didnt think Marvin had that kind of range, but if he can hit that shot consistently this year, he will stretch the defense, and allow J.Smith, Horford and ZaZa to work down low. Joe brings it every night, I was excited when we acquired Flip, he has always been able to score and handle the ball. He give Bibby a chance to rest, and he see he can get hot. I was proud of the entire team last night, especially when we lost the lead in the third quarter. TO fight back and get the lead again and maintain the lead was very impressive. Lets get ready for the Raptors, Oneal and Bosh are playing very well, but so are our big guys.

GO HAWKS!!!

By Bertie

November 6, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

Great win! Good move putting JJ on CP3, he still got his points but that slowed him down and their whole team offense.

I don’t think Bibby is getting traded. It is true this year’s payroll is higher but the expiring contract is more valuable to the team. If it works out they could bring him back next year in a short term contract (1-2 yrs) for $5-6MM per year.

By Phil Franklin

November 6, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Go BUCKS!!!!

Hey Sekou…me and JB were talking about you the other day and I just wanted to say wassup man and see how you were doing!

Let me know

By Ariose

November 6, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Our Bench Killed thier bench when All of thier starters were out of the game…

By Jo Bling

November 6, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

First of all, great win last night. I’m as high on this team as ever. I’ve been watching them develop over the last three years, making steady progress and growing more and more confident every step of the way. For all the impatient critics of Billy Knight, it should be clear to you now that he did a fine job of building a solid young team, and now we are seeing his choices paying dividends. In the same position of the 2005 draft, I believe 85, maybe 90, out of 100 GMs would have taken Marvin Williams ahead of Chris Paul, just as Knight did. Go back and read the draft analyses and headlines from the weeks just before that draft. I think everyone knew Paul would be good, just not nearly as good as he’s been from day one. Marvin, on the other hand, has been a work in progress, but as he showed last night, he is getting there. He may not ever be the status player that Chris Paul already is, but he will continue to help this team.

Meanwhile, after Knight turned on Woody, ownership made the correct decision in letting Knight go. One of them had to go at that point, and they were correct in their assessment that Woody is the right coach to lead this team to success. Bringing in Rick Sund to replace Knight was also an excellent decision, because the acquisitions he made in the offseason were huge. Suddenly, this team has all the components it needs. And it is deep. How about our backup point guard keeping the starter on the bench for almost the entire fourth quarter last night?!?! And how about the defense?

Wow, what a change from last year. The one criticism I have is the same one I’ve always had - someone has got to get J Smoove under control on offense. Last night was like a bad flashback to last year with the ridiculous shots he was hoisting from everywhere. He made a couple, but missed a whole lot more, going 5-14 and 1-5. And, as always, no one can kill a fast break faster than J Smoove. He led the team with four turnovers, and I think three of them were dumb plays on fast breaks. He also had an offensive foul on another break.

Fortunately, he offsets the damage he does on the offensive end by continuing to be one of the best defensive players in the game. He was huge on the defensive end last night, shutting down West and pretty much anyone else who tried to come in the lane. He was also a monster on the boards, bringing down 11 rebounds (Marvin did a great job rebounding last night, as well). From the first two games I thought Josh had made some big strides toward toning it down on offense, but last night was a slide backwards. Hopefully, he’ll show more maturity this year, because if he does this team will be a force to be reckoned with. All the components are there. The sky’s the limit.

By BrittishAnger

November 6, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Yes Sekou, I was very attentive to Marvin’s 3-point shooting, especially the last one from the corner. This is the kind of defensive nightmare only Krzyzewski and a few wise Dukies would be able to truly appreciate….the defensive transition was so beautiful, even our turnovers were inspiring due to the work we put in trying to not turn it over (Smoove’s save to CP3 during the third quarter is my primary example, but there were others). I still don’t trump my early expectations of this group, since we have not crossed one twentieth of the season, but our road wins are going to increase dramatically this season if we can keep this pressure up….who needs an AI when we got the FlipMo Squad?

By Sekou K. Smith

November 6, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

Phil Franklin on the blog. I love it. Tell JB I’ll see you jokers in a few weeks when the Hawks come to Indy. I’m coming to the shop to get a cut.

And you’re still rolling with your Bucks, huh? Hilarious.

terrell barron, I don’t have any premature thoughts on Bibby’s situation. It’s too early to call, as they say in North Carolina, Indiana, Missouri and the like.

I can’t imagine that anyone wants to rock this Hawks boat after three games. The trade deadline is when I’m sure things will heat up. But I can’t imagine why you’d move him if you can wait until the end of the season, see where you are and decide then. Plus, you get huge salary cap relief in the summer.

By atljj

November 6, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

Which idiot ESPN analyst called our bench a FEMA disaster zone? This must be a poison pill for him.

By Tron5000

November 6, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

Yeah, so I have to get down there Friday night to see Big Al against ex-Jacket (and Olympic champion) Chris Bosh.

Josh was on his game that first half. Weren’t all 3 blocks in the first quarter? And, yeah, right now I’ll take Flip and Mo over Chills and Salim “Coach, can I play now?” Stoudamire.

So far, I like what I’ve seen. I’m looking for 45 wins, with 50 being a possibility if these guys play like they have the first 3 games. To be sure, there will be down nights. But this team looks like it’s ready to play some ball, and I don’t see them being frightened of playing anyone in the league.

By JD

November 6, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

That was a great game last night. I know it’s something that I hate harping on, and I got questioned on this before the season officially started, and I stand by that belief even now. The balance and depth on this team as constituted is really making a difference. It’s breeding confidence, and that confidence is what’s allowing the Hawks to not get so frenzied when a team goes on a run and/or takes the lead. They were able to maintain their composure and go on a run themselves. There were many times in the past where the Hawks would have a lead like they had last night only to lose the lead and the game. Look how far they’ve come…

And what about young Marvin Williams? His scoring’s not there yet, but the young man who is constantly the first name in hypothetical trade scenarios is actually playing a much better all around game. He’s rebounding better, and he’s also playing better defense. He may not be scoring in the 18,19 point range that we all think he should, but neither did Scottie Pippen, whose career scoring average is 17 ppg (and in no way am I comparing Marvin to Pippen). I would like to point out, though, that it was in Pippen’s fourth year that he started to get ‘it’ and his play improved (getting berated by Jordan probably helped that along, too). While their skill sets are totally different, the progression of improvement is similar.

All that being said, to go into NO and beat a quality team the way they did was awesome. We Hawks fans have been waiting for this for some time now. Granted, it’s only three games into the season, but if they can maintain this focus throughout the season (and there will be games where they’ll just run into the buzzsaw) they’ll be a team that’ll be very difficult to deal with.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 6, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

That would be John Hollinger who called our bench a FEMA disaster zone. Personally his columns remind me more of Hurricane Katrina than anything Hawks-related.

Ando is still right that it’s quite possible Bibby gets dumped due to salary implications, although I’m sure it’s not lost on the ownership that keeping him allows them to erase $14 million from their cap number at the end of the season. Since the Hawks would probably have to take back an equal amount in salary in any Bibby trade, I don’t know how much it would necessarily help the ownership… guess it depends on how quickly Obama can fix the financial situation. I’m certainly no economist.

I’m still not ready to crown Flip Murray as a replacement for Bibby — I think it’s great that we can bring a guy like that off the bench, but I’m not so confident that he can sustain such a high level of play for 30-35 minutes per game as a starter at point guard. He hasn’t proven that he can at any point in his NBA career. So from a purely on-court perspective I would rather keep Bibby around, unless Acie Law can suddenly realize his potential (which unfortunately doesn’t seem to be happening any time soon).

Finally I’m as big a Woody-hater as anyone but I gotta give him credit too — 3 games is a very small sample size, but so far he seems to have improved in every way shape and form as a head coach.

By Derrk

November 6, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

Great performance for the Hawks. Idk if anyone know’s the exact amount of ppg allowed for the Hawks but it’s 84 ppg. Looks to me like they tore a page out of the Celtic playbook last year in the playoffs. Anyways the Hawks are for real and to beat Orlando (road) Philly and New Orleans (road) that’s making an early statement. I’m from the “Show me State” and the Hawks are showing alot as far as maturity, leadership, discipline, and defense. Keep up the good work go Hawks.

P.S. I wish they were still in St. Louis but Atlanta is a great city for the Hawks from my perspective

By darrell starks

November 6, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

Woody have a nice rotation going its still only three games into the season but the key will be woody STAYING CONSITANT WITH HIS BENCH PLAY AND DONT PULL THE guys out so fast if there not doing so well and be patient with his bench i still would like to see SALOMON JONES MORE OR RANDOLPH MORRIS. GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 6, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

What was John Hollinger doing, you may ask, as Flip Murray shattered what remained of his credibility last night?

Coming up with yet another useless stat, of course.

By tyger

November 6, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

Marvin Responds

After stinking up the place last week in his first game, Marvin responds with a stirring performance. Not only did he drain big 3’s, more importantly, he was ACTIVE.

That was the best rebounding effort I’ve ever witnessed from him. He may have had more but not with the fierceness he displayed last night. The kid literally was snagging boards like Ben Wallace used too.

Thats the Marvin we need. Maybe he’s realizing that he can get his offense off his defense and impact the game other ways.

Points will come, but if he’s making his presence known on the glass, he’s contributing in a major way. At 6’9 240, there’s no reason why he cant have 7-8 reb. regardless of his points. But if he’s getting those 7-8, I guarantee he’ll have double digit scoring as well.

Keep up the good work!!!

By infamouskrs

November 6, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this

i know alot of people have continued to bash Smoove for his erratic shot selections at times…but when does the kid get the respect for his incredible across-the-board stat lines, night in and night out? he brings some much more to the table than just his dunks and what some consider his “help defense” on the other end!

he is the team glue and should get more love than he does for his overall contributions!

JJ second in the league in scoring…..SIMPLY AMAZING ! keep it up JOE! you gotta love hearing him say, “you see…this is what i was talking about last year when i said we needed more vets”. sounds like he’s happy with the squad’s makeup this year…..

HAPPY JJ = 3 straight wins to open the year! easy math…..

this could really be a great season ! STAY TUNED

By mykhalc

November 6, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

JOE, your 9:49AM post is on-point even tho i CANNOT bring myself to admit anythin’ about WOODSON…yet!!!LOL

but the fact that he left FLIP in the game at the end left me in amazement!!! the right move…PERIOD!! and to think it came from WOODSON!!! next thing you know we’ll have a black pres in the US!!!LOL

FLIP will prove to be the biggest difference in this team this year IMHO. he had the perfect game and attitude against CP3. i just got the feelin’ that CP3 was a bit intimitated by FLIP…just my take!!!

GO HAWKS!!!

By Derrk

November 6, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

DEFENSE is only allowing 84 ppg

By TAR HEELS 3

November 6, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

IT IS TIME WE START TALKING UP MIKE WOODSON FOR COACH OF THE YEAR, WE AS A CITY HAVE TO GET BEHIND THIS COACH, HE HAS TAKEN THE GREAT CRITICISM AND NOW THIS SEASON HE IS DUE GREAT COMPLIMENTS. IAM GOING ON ESPN, SI SPORTS AND EVERY SPORTS BLOG TO STATE THAT IT TIME FOR COACH WOODSON TO START GETTING RESPECT AND TO BE RECONIZE FOR HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS THUS FAR, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW DIFFICULT IT MUST HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH WITH BILLY KNIGHT. I PROCLAIM HE WILL BE COACH OF THE MONTH FOR NOVEMBER AND COACH OF THE YEAR. COACH WOODSON NEEDS US BEHIND HIM AND HE HAS MY VOTE AS THE BEST COACH COMING OUT OF THE BLOCK AND HAVING HIS TEAM PREPARED FOR THIS EARLY SEASON SCHEDULE. I WILL NOT SLEEP UNTIL COACH WOODSON START GETTING RECONIZED ON A NATIONAL LEVEL FOR THE HAWKS SUCESS.

By jhan

November 6, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

When/If Bibby regains his shooting touch this team will be incredible. We’ve been racing out to double digit leads & Bibby is WAY off on his shot.

Once this guy regains his form the Hawks will be very hard for any team to beat.

Woody has figured out ways to help Bibby on defense - don’t make him try to guard the quicker PG’s in the league. He’s been matching up against SG’s & even defends the opposite teams SF in certain situations. He has a strong base & seems to be able to hold his ground.

I say keep Bibby & his salary for now. Keep winning & the extra revenue will come.

By D.Ellis

November 6, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Gotta give these credit. Defense is winning the games for sure. It’s only 3 games in but the magic nubmer keeps shrinking with every win.

I tihnk we match up well with alot of teams especially in the East.

Keep playing hard HAWKS!!!!!

Defense wins games…keep it up!

And that Hollinger dude is a complete waste of talent evaluation

I kept the ESPN preview and will look at it often during this year.

Still can’t believe JJ only raked the bottom of 1 category. THAT DUDE IS SICK

GO HAWKS!

By hawks_4_life

November 6, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Tar heel i agree with you completely.

By The Truth

November 6, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

TAR HEELS 3 I also share your enthusiasm about the Hawks. They have certainly exceeded most people’s expectation at this point. However, I think it’s premature to campaign for Woody in this manner after only three games. Detroit head Coach Michael Curry’s record is equally if not more impressive as ours. They have just transition a major part of their offense (with the AI/Billups deal) and they are still winning. He is a rookie coach. It would be better to wait until after this upcomming four game road trip which will include Boston and see how Woody perform. That four game road trip will really test our team. We will certainly get better clarity about Woody at that point.

By Astro Joe

November 6, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Mykhalc, what up, dude? Ya’ll trying to send D. Hall back our way? WE DON’T WANT HIM!

Trust me, while I was writing that complement to Woody, I was drinking 16 ounces of Pepto that included 3 Alka-Seltzer tablets and I snacked on a few Rolaids to make sure nothing bubbled up. But dude has masterfully played his hand so far. So I’ll deal with my whirling stomach as I give him well deserved props.

By K-Dogg

November 6, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

Now if the Hawks could just do something about those abysmal 3rd Quarters…if they play the 3rd quarter as well as they play in the 4th quarter, they will start blowing teams out!

By gtnate

November 6, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

This team is young and confident. They have a bench this year and there young players are still getting better. It looks like there could be another Atlanta Boston rematch in the playoffs and it won’t be in the first round.

By Astro Joe

November 6, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

This may have already been posted… ESPN feature on J Chill.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?page=jchill-081106

By Josh

November 6, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

Good article bro!

By Mike

November 6, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

How about some love for Marvin for defense and rebounding? He didn’t get much playing time last night and it’s easy to focus on his scoring — his 3’s, or on the other hand his disappearance for half the game. But I thought he played very good, aggressive defense from the start, and I wonder if Mo Williams is rubbing off on him some in this regard. He also got some tough rebounds in traffic in the second half.

By BA

November 6, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

Considering a Bibby trade at this point is just short of ridiculous. How many different ways can you kick a dead horse?

By Ariose

November 6, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

….thank you BA…I Really didn’t want to have to get into that again……Without Bibby do you really think we would be 3-0? How do you think the rest of the season would go without Bibby?

Plaease all of you stop talking about Financial implications right now…….can we just win for a moment sheesh….

Besides……Joe is vehemently complementing Bibby every time they ask him about Bibby’s impact on the team……No Bibby, No JJ. It’s that Simple…..Besides’ didn’t the ASG say in the Summer that all basketball decisions are now in Rick Sund’s hands?? Until something stupid Happens i’m going to assume that’s what the deal is….

~SalimFan Sir Links A Lot~

By ant banks

November 6, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

ken and ‘poop dam, woody doin’ his thing, yo!! how are y’all accessing his performance now? i think that he is beyond WAF. we gotta come up with new acronyms. LOL!!

By BA

November 6, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

And Lacsho, my bad- I forgot about all of your prior battles. Far be it from me to call anyone bandwagon (not my intent). I was merely pointing out that a handful of us were ridiculed during the offseason for having these kind of expectations.

I’ll admit, however, it’s been a perfect storm- right down to Woodson’s (so far) exceptional play calling.

Ariose, I’m less than thrilled with Bibby’s shooting right now, obviously. But clearly he’s healthy and faster this year. It’s showing on defense.

By randy

November 6, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

Nice to see Woody using the Bench! 9 men were in double figures for minutes. Best move Woody has made though, was shaving that nasty afro and growing a goatee.

By mykhalc

November 6, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

JOE, NOW OAKTOWN KNOWS the DHALL ‘legend in his own mind’ stuff!!! the cat has NEVER been anythin’ but an adequate corner…PERIOD!!! now Nnamdi is the TRUTH!! the cat played a helluva game against the FALCONS. at this point i just think that there’s gotta be somethin’ in the water at VA TECH!!!

BA, SALIMFAN aka Ariose, ditto on BIBBY!!! some just don’t get what he brings REGARDLESS!!! gotta have some haters…i guess???!!?? it’s the YIN and YANG of it all i suppose!!!

By richbrave

November 6, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

BA:

Count me in on your bandwagon. A long-time hater of these HAWKS, I’m coming around-finally.!!!!

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 6, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

My favorite part of that J-Chill feature Ariose posted is the comments, where at least 4 commenters noticed that Childress needs some Invisalign in the worst way.

By Peter Griffin

November 6, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Holy frickin’ crap! The magic number is now down to 78!

By cp

November 6, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

Lacsho I wasn’t shocked he pulled Marvin last night. He did that a lot last year. We might be the only team that will take a player out the game when he is hot. Look at what Amare did last night. He was hot and they kept feeding him the ball. We should have kept feeding Marvin the ball until he couldnt lift his arm anymore last night. I was more proud of his defense and rebounding last night. Marvin has always shown flashes of attacking the glass and last night he did. His defense has improved dramatically from a few years ago. He is still kind of iffy on rotations but I still like the improvements.

JJ is still gets no respect from the refs. When he drives to the hole he gets hacked but he rarely gets a call. Last night was one of the few times I think I have seen him complain about a no call.

We have to get some consistency from Law and Bibby. If these guys can play better then this team will be a lot better.

By cp

November 6, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

Lacsho I wasn’t shocked he pulled Marvin last night. He did that a lot last year. We might be the only team that will take a player out the game when he is hot. Look at what Amare did last night. He was hot and they kept feeding him the ball. We should have kept feeding Marvin the ball until he couldnt lift his arm anymore last night. I was more proud of his defense and rebounding last night. Marvin has always shown flashes of attacking the glass and last night he did. His defense has improved dramatically from a few years ago. He is still kind of iffy on rotations but I still like the improvements.

JJ is still gets no respect from the refs. When he drives to the hole he gets hacked but he rarely gets a call. Last night was one of the few times I think I have seen him complain about a no call.

We have to get some consistency from Law and Bibby. If these guys can play better then this team will be a lot better.

By Eric

November 6, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

I keep telling everybody that when the young guys like Josh, Marvin, and Al reach there peak this them will really skyrocket. We have all the parts now, I think we need to grow.

By Moboman

November 6, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

I was impressed that Woodson went with the hot hand and left Flip in the whole fourth quarter. Not his usual style. Good coaching move.

By Ariose

November 6, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

Hawks trust issues in the past

~Sir Links A Lot~

By yonizzle25

November 6, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

Marvin looked great shooting and mainly rebounding. Josh played great on defense & rebounding ok on offense( bad js in the 4th).. I think that the added reserves have made a hugh difference both flip & Mo can shoot and defend.

Al looks like Al and i love the way ZaZa has played as a backup, the stats might not show it but the man has caused havoc down low

if they keep on playing defense the sky is the limit

By Syd the Hawk fan

November 6, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

This is more like it. Let’s all hope this keeps up. If nothing else watching the Hawks now becomes an event worth looking forward to. And dam, now I’ll definetly have to rearrange the budget for more Phillips’ outings. I do have one small complaint, sometimes jsmoove gets somewhat trigger happy, forcing shots that are just brutal to watch (3Q). As my good friend suggested, maybe Woody should invest in a choke collar for such moments. Wouldn’t that be friggin hilarious. Just saying. Go Hawks

By Flappin' Hawk

November 6, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

Hot and cold…that’s Bibby. He will be on fire some nights(like against Philly) and he’ll be cold somenights(ala New Orleans). But he’ll be good more than not. And when he’s cold we now have Flip to bring off the bench.

By Ariose

November 6, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

Hawks D Exellent….Hoopsworld

~Sir Links A Lot~

By HB Ando

November 6, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

Roan, Mavid, or anyone else who’s of the opinion I’m not giving the team its props. Go back to the tail end of last nights’ blog. After each of the three wins I’ve expressed nothing but the idea that these guys are playing great. I have not been knocking them. My belief that Bibby is going to be traded has nothing to do with the performance of the team.

Get it straight. I’m not going to spend the coming weeks defending myself for negativity I’m not posting. Like anyone else, here, who didn’t drink the Kool-aid, before the start of the season, I had my reasons, which I articulated in great detail. And, since they started 4-1 last year, those issues haven’t gone away.

But I haven’t posted anything but admiration for the team, in the way they have performed to start 3-0. And I’ve said a million times, that I would rather be WRONG, and have them exceed my expectations, than be right and have them suck.

Let’s just nip this BS about me being perpetually negative in the bud. My historic negativity has been a by product of a team that hasn’t won more than 37 games since this blog started, and occurred during a time when the GM was making historically ridiculous draft picks, in Shelden, and to a lesser extent, Marvin. Most of my venom was pointed at Billy Knight. He’s gone, and that’s what I wanted. The issues I’ve made, since Billy left, have been pretty balanced, and based on a “show me” mentality.

There are two types of participants here: cheerleaders and arm-chair analysts. Like a lot of folks, I’m one of the latter. The goal of my critical perspective has always been to push for the best possible product, as it relates to the Atlanta Hawks. That’s my agenda, and it always has been. And anyone here, who has gotten to know me personally, will (and have, here on the blog) testify that I’m a fan.

Go Hawks!

By terrell barron

November 6, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this

Look at us finding things to argue about, when everything is going GREAT so far. We really need to get a life. lol!!!!

By hawkfan

November 6, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this

yea i like our defense, our defense will be tested next week when we face boston on wednesday at boston, oh cant wait, bodies will be flying

By hawkfan

November 6, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

yea i like our defense, our defense will be tested next week when we face boston on wednesday at boston, oh cant wait, bodies will be flying

By HB Ando

November 6, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

BA, try not to be so long-suffering. The fact that people disagreed with some of the more optimistic predictions for this team is hardly “ridicule”. Just different opinions.

As far as trading Bibby being ridiculous, guess time will tell.

The issue of taking back on equal contract is not accurate. First, trades have to be within 25% of each other, which means we could take back about $11.5 million in “value”, which could include draft picks, rights to “practically unsignable” foreign players, previously drafted, and smaller, expiring contracts (or upside talent currently on rookie contract). $3 million in cash can also be included in transactions. Additionally, there’s no suggestion that a Bibby trade would see the Hawks eliminate the full $15.5 million in value, just some portion that would reduce their overall payroll obligation, to a number more in line with their historic max of $55 million.

As far as the question about increased revenues, from a more successful team, this season, that’s simple impossible to argue, for or against. I don’t know. I just know that the heads of both the NBA and MLB have publicly stated concerns about significant reductions in team revenues, based on the faltering economy (Stern laid off 9% of the NBA league workforce, in anticipation of drastically reduced ticket sales). In a better economy, I would agree that a winning Hawks team could ramp up in-season revenues, to pay for a higher payroll. But I think it’s unclear what the combined impact, of a better team, with a historically bad economy, will be, net.

All these discussions are just straw-splitting though.

Right now the focus is justifiably on the tremendous play of the team, over these first three games, and whether they can maintain this kind of effort and intensity in the coming games.

These guys are playing with a huge chip, and a ton of pride. There’s simply nothing negative to say about the way they’ve come out of the gates.

Very impressive (sorry if my being positive is hard for some of you to take, as it seems to shatter your misconception that I want the team to fail; it’s just not so, and never has been).

By mykhalc

November 6, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

JOE, forgot to add…i’ll take FOXWORTH ANYDAY over DHALL!!! much better man-up corner IMHO.

GO HAWKS!!! GO FALCONS!!! damn…a two-fer!!!LOL

By ladiesman3000

November 6, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

I am on the verge of saying Acie Law sucks!!! Huge dissapointment-come on dude, start doing your thing. Any tickets left for the game Friday. I get off work at 6pm

By Dorian

November 6, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

I got $43 tickets and can’t even go! I’m so upset because I’ve been rooting for them strongly even when only a few were. I’m selling the tickets for $15 a piece if anyone wants them. Just let me know and I’ll meet you at the gates…

pauldtheripy@gmail.com

By ant banks

November 6, 2008 7:56 PM | Link to this

the way these hawks are ballin’ i am goin’ to go on record now and say…HAWKS WILL WIN THE SOUTHEAST DIVISION. thats right, i said it. WHAT?!!

charlotte sucks, miami garbage, washington puleeze, orlando? we got their number!!

im thinkin’ that we can get that forth playoff spot too. detroit, boston, clev, ATLANTA

By ladiesman3000

November 6, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

Dorian,that offer sounds real inticing but I just remembered I have to babysit tommorow!! I really, really want to go, but dang!! Ant Banks thats a bold prediction. Remember the Clips start 3-0 last season plus the only that may give us some legitimate competition is Orlando, maybe the wizards. I said maybe the wizards, I dont know about those guys. But hopefully the Hawks dont find ways to lose games this season or time to show Woody the door and move some players around.

By RealSquawk

November 6, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this

The poll question is wether it is to early for the hawks to get into to the trade market?/

Do we really need to get into the trade market?

By RealSquawk

November 6, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this

HOW can we get this FIXED It has probably been mentioned before, but SI has still not changed Joe Johnson’s profile pic.

A year ago I noticed it and thought they would change it the person in that pick is donta smith and even though he resembles Joe it isn’t Joe.

I excuse them for not doing the past couple of years i mean who cared about the hawks except the people hear, but after the playoffs, after a 3-0 start

Can we not put them on front street for this.

Oh and to their defense when Joe first came to Atlanta in a couple of programs for the games the hawks had the wrong person on there to.

By Lacsho

November 6, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

Banks

Check your email.

CP

Exactly, hopefully Woody will make the correct adjustment next time. I can’t complain about Woody to much; He’s has coached his azz off lately.

BA

It’s all good Bruh. I think we know where each other stands. When it comes to the Hawks everyone is welcome to get on the wagon, it’s big enough for the whole crew. I think we’re already worldwide. If I’m not mistaken we have fans across the seas.

By doc

November 6, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

wow, about 100 hits already. ATF do you remember the dismal year when we would be left to talk about a game to each other or even just to ourselves kind of giving up with about four or five straight posts without a response. fun to catch up on everyone’s thoughts and seeing the bandwagon grow.

talk about living up to expectations. our checklist of what the hawks had to do to make it a very successful season has been exceeded, though only three games, with every significant hawk contributing. woody has to be given credit for going with the hot hand instead of going back to his starting guard in bibby and having bibby accept it.

sund and woody were very candid on 680 in good interviews. as far as the trade issue of bibby, sund wouldnt talk in hypotheticals but adamantly left himself room to make the move if it made the team stronger. he was just as adamant that the hawks dont need a 5. guess he cant get everything right. heh heh. no got to give him cred for getting mo and flip and lighting the candle you know where.

ando. i am not sure why you continue to carry the torch to trade bibby. it may be to pester or rile other folks however many folks were of the mind that he may go and maybe in your absence this summer actually said it first. so, even if you continue to beat gthe drum alone dont be surprised if others come in to say they too were among those “right’ (if it matters) all along to consider it a significant possibility. if it comes to pass i hope you wont be dismayed you alone wont be right on that call if that is what you are desiring.

aj great interview with chillls, again folks that though him not competitive for going there should look at it and see he is a pioneer to try a new way that might just open up avenues for other players instead of playing it careful. also it seems he likes the role of leader again in contrast to what the demeaning public decried when he left. good to see everyone successful, well almost everyone. cant say i was too dismayed at meangelo’s fall from grace and on his sword; next stop redemption or free fall.

By ray

November 6, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

BA,

Can’t argue. Woody is looking good. And I’m not trying to over anlayze why, either.

But bandwagon? Come on, man. What bandwagon do you refer to? Okay, 7-0 is a pretty bold prediction for a “first 7 games” record. Hell, I’m still not inclined to agree with that just because things can happen. Furthermore, I don’t think that is what is important. But…by my count, at 3-0, you’re only halfway there. Question is, who gets the gold star: you for making the correct prediction, or the team for having earned the victories? We’re all fans here man. Nobody has been trashing this team so far this season, though we’re having differences of opinion about some of the details. To me, no amount of virtual chest-thumping will compare to this team’s success.

Having said that, if you accurately predicted this team’s starting record, you will get your props.

Ando,

You can tell people that judging by the storm clouds and weather conditions you see, hail is likely to fall. Some people will heed your warning, and understand that while it’s not guaranteed to happen, it very well could happen. And then there are those who will respond to your warnings by telling you that not only will it not hail, but if it does, it’s not really hail, it’s really YOU throwing thousands of pieces of ice in every which direction, all at once, and continuously. Get my drift? Sometimes it’s best to just step inside. That way you don’t get bonked in the head multiple times for your trouble….

Lacsho, you’re right. Time is telling even as we speak…

Terrell, at least we’re not really fighting. Discusssion is the level I’d put it at right now. Not like over the summer.

Ant Banks, damn bro’. That is bold. But hey, if the team thinks like you do…

Sekou, it’s all about timing. Nobody wants to rock the boat at the wrong time. Were the Pistons not a winning team? I’d say Joe Dumars rocked that boat….wouldn’t you? Just sayin’….

Mavid, wet blanket? Heh….if you think the mere possibility of a pivotal player leaving is evidence of a wet blanket, then what’s your definition of the loss of Childress…a flooded house?

By ray

November 6, 2008 9:46 PM | Link to this

Doc, you damn right! Bandwagon my dark arse…several of us have been walking beside, ahead, and behind this dadgum wagon on the blog since ‘05 and what not. Sure, we complained, griped, moaned and b!tched, but we never left the wagon. No I don’t want a cookie or gold star for that….just win…

By RA

November 6, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

Hey Sekou,

First off, please tell whatever idiot is posting the main titles to the Hawks AJC page that it’s former Hawk Josh Childress, not current Hawk Josh Smith that is enjoying life in Greece. Also, tell anyone that will listen, that a lot of us couldn’t care less.

Oh, you might want to buy Terence Moore a box of Kleenex. I’m not sure how the Hawks victory over the Hornet’s and his non-sexual man-crush Chris Paul is going to set with him. It’s funny because I’m sure that he’d drafted yet another article about how the Hawks should have drafted CP III over Marvin Williams. He’s right of course, but he’s belabored that point way too much. I just wish I could have seen his face when Marvin Williams sunk that last three…

At any rate, you’re right. The Hawks aren’t going to be able to sneak up on anyone anymore. That is, if they were sneaking up on folks before. It’s been my experience that teams fight tooth, nail, hook, and claw to avoid getting beat by Atlanta… The point is, the Hawks are getting good enough to the point where they’re not getting a choice anymore. If this team can stay focused, I think a new power is rising in the east.

By Flirt and Squirt

November 6, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this

It’s nice to hear the enthusiasm again in Rathbun’s voice as he calls the Hawks games. It’s been awhile.

By Lacsho

November 6, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

The proof is in the latest article. The Hawks finally trust each other. JJ trusts his teammates. The article also stated they were staying after practice putting up shots. I think we’re starting to see the fruits of Mark Price, and this is only the beginning. Man it feels good to be a Hawks fan. Perhaps that’s the reason why they’re putting up so many jump shots. There has to be a medium or maybe 60% of the shots come from the paint (driving or the post) and the other 40% comes from the field.

The more I think about this team; the more I really think JJ should be in contention for MVP. He should be an automatic all-star starter. During the Philly/Orlando game, Ya boy Doug Collins said JJ was in the top ten. I agree dammit, ESPN give my boy his props.

What kills me is when Tim Leggler keeps saying Philly and Orlando round out the top five in the east, and he keeps omitting the Hawks. How can you judge a team from watching highlights? This guy doesn’t have a clue.

I will put our starting five and bench up against any team in the East. That’s right I said it. Let’s get it on. On any given night you have 10 different players who can lead this team in scoring. Name another team in the east that deep. It really depends who’s on, and who we’re playing.

Ken

You called it this summer. The one thing we have over every team in the east is chemistry. Boston is the only other team with the same starting five returning from the previous year.

By Ken

November 6, 2008 11:21 PM | Link to this

No doubt they are off to an impressive start, especially by hawks standards. It has only been three games, but against playoff teams, two of which are on the road. Joe Johnson is a top-20 player in the league and everyone outside of Atlanta will know it if they keep it up. Josh Smith is showing more maturity and hopes he keeps it going. Horford is still the rock in the post and we are all a witness to Zaza’s resurrection. With our experienced bench now even when the starters start off sluggish we can still be in games. Hopefully we just keep learning and growing game by game. Go Hawks!!

By SB

November 7, 2008 12:28 AM | Link to this

Come on Fella’s…. as long as the Hawks have a above .500 record Bibby stay’s. Mike is not the payer he was, but he’s better than most point gaurds in this leauge. Unless they fall below five hundred or a deal for a big man comes across the table I think he’s here for the season. Josh is playing well(double double in all three games). I think most of the bad shots are due to Woody’s offense(let JJ do what he wants and every one else shoot when the clock is running down). As good of a defensive coach as Woody is , his offensive plays suck. If Atlanta ever gets a point gaurd that can run the break and get Smith his shots on fast breaks, I think his shot selection will improve. Also get Smith the ball more in the post. Not nocking Bibby< he just can’t push the ball like he use to.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 7, 2008 1:44 AM | Link to this

Holy sh-t, if y’all didn’t catch the end of that Rockets-Blazers game find a way, because that was about as good an ending as you’ll ever see to a basketball game.

By hawks_4_life

November 7, 2008 2:42 AM | Link to this

You know bibby may not push the ball like he used to but there is something to be said of leadership and chemistry. People the hawks are 3-0 not 0-3 yet we are acting like he is an achilles heel. I understand we strive for perfection but the reality is no one is, if this is how we react to victory can you imagine defeat.

By Clyde

November 7, 2008 3:31 AM | Link to this

ROLL TIDE!!!!!

By TheAntiMe

November 7, 2008 5:40 AM | Link to this

It’s still early, but I’m really proud of how the Hawks are taking care of business on the basketball court this season. Most importantly, they are doing it with great defense. The Hawks have done two very important things, so far, that they could not do in Boston during the playoffs:

1) Defensive Rebounding. The guys are taking care of their defensive glass and denying their opponents second and third chances to score.

2) Man-to-man Defense. They are also doing a great job of getting in their opponents face and forcing them to take tougher, lower percentage shots.

These guys have been working very hard to improve from the first day of training camp and it’s really nice to see them reap the success that they richly deserve.

By Samuel

November 7, 2008 6:08 AM | Link to this

Ando,

Somehow your pat on the backs remind me of the statements at the end of beer commercials. You know(drink responsibly). After all, you have multiple wagers on the Hawks falling flat on their faces. HUH!

By mavid

November 7, 2008 8:17 AM | Link to this

LOL ando

I didnt mean it like that.

I think its a great option to have to move Bibby, if Law and Murray are adequate replacements.

people cant joke on here?

youve been cracking me up for years man (in a good way)

By richbrave

November 7, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

Reading BA and doc on the breadth and scope of the HAWKS bandwagon caused me to wander over to the FALCONS blog and see D. ORLANDO’s outburst against the steaming piles of racist comments deposited there by regular “contributors”. I’m still in my rookie season here, but I seem to recall some of the same trash on this venue which I occasionally castigated in the name of propriety. Same for the BRAVES. Most of that type of thought has congealed on LEDBETTER’s blog. If you would care to read it slide over there and take a peek. You can see how fortunate we are.

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

Najeh

I was watching that game, and I almost fell out my bed. That was a great ending. B.Roy is the truth, and he was relentless towards the ending of the game. Then Yao hits the big shot and a key free throw. B.Roy come back and hits the dagger; this kid will be around for a long time.

Rich

You are right about those other blogs, and that’s why I don’t contribute to them. This is one of the best blogs across the land, and perhaps that was a bias statement, but wtf. Sometimes we get off track or go into the deep in (hint hint talking about myself), but we always seem to come back to the one common goal that brought us here. Our love for the Hawks, and that’s what it’s all about. I think it’s good to disagree, and the dialogue on this blog is fannntasssticcc.

By hawkeye

November 7, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

we don’t have to trade bibby its too early, we can’t expect players to play good basketballl every night, that’s why we have subs right? we’re just lucky that we flip had a good game last night but what if he struggles in the next game??? this guy bibby hit 9 3-pointers back when he was still a king against PHOENIX. none of them was able to stop him i remember that they even used amare to guard him but he was just on fire! and knowing that he still has a thumb/wrist injured during that time and yet he shoot the lights out against 1 of the elite teams in the west. it’s to early to judge bibby. we’re already a dangerous team just imagine once he finds his stroke. and i’ve noticed that bibby plays well at home. maybe we will see a different bibby in philips against toronto. he’s the type of player that when he’s hot…he’s hot but if not then at least we flip/ acie to back him up. but i believe that there’s more upside in him. i know he’ll find his form we just need to be patient. we’re winning anyway.

By ray

November 7, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

RichBrave called the Falcons blog right. It’s difficult for me to find anyone outside of him to engage in actual conversations about football over there.

Najeh,

Good call on the Rockets/Blazers game. That was indeed a hell of a finish. You really don’t see many games like that this early in the season. Two things I got from that…The Rockets are good but still not properly jelled, and the Blazers are coming into their “for real” stage now. They had a .500 record last year. I look for them to make the playoffs this year if they remain healthy. No, I’m not basing it off that game or this season’s start. I just think they will do it. Could be wrong, though.

Can’t wait for tonight’s game.

By hawkeye

November 7, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

philly is in a tough s** right now. losing again against orlando. that’s why i value chemistry more than individual talent. now i’m starting to believe that iggy is overpaid. he became lazy after he got that fat contract. poor philly i bet they’re starting to regret offering him that contract. good thing that we got smoove cheap he deserves that kind of salary more than iggy based on performance. oh well… GO HAWKS!!!

By TheAntiMe

November 7, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

I agree, Lacsho, with your comments about the Hawks blog. Although I am usually more of a lurker, I do enjoy reading this blog as the comments are generally of a constructive nature. IMO, there just seems to be a certain degree of class that I haven’t found, unfortunately, in a lot of the other sports blogs. I attribute that to be a reflection of the author of this blog. Thanks Sekou.

By Barry

November 7, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

Hey Y’all:

We are still in “SHOCK MODE”. Teams and fans have better be aware that htis Hawk team is for real. The are still meshing together and are good doing it. I look forward to the season when they go on automatic with all the new guys in place and the team doing different things with the new grreat resources they have. This is going to be fun. Real “Run and Gun” basketball with “GREAT DEFENSE”. If you thouhgt we “SHOCKED THE WORLD!!” last year, then “YOU AIN”T SEEN NOTHING YET!”. IT AIN’T OVER!! Let’s have fun watching this team continue to “SHOCK THE WORLD! This is just “ROUND 1” and we look GOOD, REAL GOOD.

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! This is a SECRET from a HAWK FAN. TELL EVERYBODY.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!

SEE YOU AT PHILLIPS.

          "SHOCK THE WORLD!!"

By doc

November 7, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

rich brave it is because of the many contributors here for the last four years to set the mood that have allowed themselves to keep heading on the high road. many time folks have been goaded but the men of the liars table quickly step back and allow the fire to burn out without adding wood to keep the fire burning. it is just hot air anyway, literally. it takes two or more to get it going and if we get in a bind we have our puckish big sheriff to take the wind out of all our sails by his humor. we are blessed.

By femhawkfan

November 7, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

I really hope that one of the Hawks players or someone on the staff was watching Inside the NBA after the Blazers/Rockets game because Jermaine O’neal and Chris Bosh were on the show. They were both talking about how they work together and giving ways that they operate during a game. I think the info that they gave may help the Hawks a little.

By Mychelfromatl

November 7, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Richbrave I went over to the Falcons blog for the first time in months(the non-football related comments over their really get’s old!) and could only make it halfway through. The comments went from deangelo hall, to mike vick, to barack obama, to mark mcguire, to crime rates in clayton county and so on…

But back to Hawks now, can’t wait for the game tonight!!! Hope to see you all at Philips!!! LETS GO HAWKS!!!

By Ken Strickland

November 7, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

DOC-amen to that.

LACSHO-on the last blog I posted a reference to our development and improvement coming from within, which has solidified our chemistry and self confidence.

I’ve been thinking about a future possibility. Wouldn’t it be exciting, and possibly a defining moment in the Hawks’ future, if we meet the Celtics undefeated, in Boston, for the 7th gm of this young season? As you all know, we were soundly defeated 4 times in last yrs playoffs on their home court. Wouldn’t a victory, or a strong showing in a close loss, especially this early in the season, send a strong message to the Celtic faithful that Boston might not even make it to another gm 7 against us in this yrs playoffs?

Barring a major long term injury to one of our key players, we are going to get better, as we develop more chemistry, get more confident and realize how scary good we can be. Compare the Hawk team that finished with a strong 2st half playoff run last season and compare it to the team that finished a weak 1st half. Then imagine what this Hawks team will look like finishing the 2nd half of this season after building upon a strong 1st half.

A few yrs ago, how many of you thought Golden State was capable of having such a strong 2nd half playoff run and an even stronger showing in the playoffs? Do any of you think they were stronger, bigger, faster, quicker, deeper or just better than our current Hawks team?

Think like Boston. In that gm, they know they’ll be going against a Hawks team that’s vastly improved personel wise, chemistry wise, deepth wise, skill wise and maturity wise. They’ll bring to the table a team with the same basic components ffom the previous yr, minus JPosey, a player that was key to their championship fortunes, especially against us. I’ve already circled our 7th gm of the season against the Boston Celtics, and I can’t wait.

By kgbsfinst

November 7, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

I think we need to remember the old adage it doesnt matter who starts the game, it matters who finishes If Bibby is strugling, we have to hope, and trust that Woodson will keep Flip, or whomever, in the game over him. He did it Wednesday, so I trust he will do it again.

By cp

November 7, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

A lot of teams overpaid for some players this past summer. Deng was not worth the money he got. Iggy wasnt worth the money he got. Okafur was overpaid. We really did get Josh signed to a good deal. I don’t think Iggy is lazy at all. The guy just can’t shoot. It was like they were saying on TNT last night. He doesnt get to shoot the ball as much as he did last year because they have Brand now, but he is getting more efficient or quality shots. The problem is he is not a shooter. He is a slasher and a guy who does well in transition. So although he is getting a lot of open jumpers his lack of a shooting touch is hurting them..

After watching Aldridge the past few years I still wonder why did the Bulls trade him to get Tyrus Thomas. Tyrus can jump and block shots but his bball iq is pretty low. That cat has been jacking up jumpers like he is Reggie Miller. A lot of people talk about the Hawks blowing some picks but Chicago would be a lot better if they would have taken Aldrige or Brandon Roy. Hell the Bobcats blew it that draft too taking Morrison rather than Roy. Come to think of it a lot of teams blew that draft. You cant tell me that Houston would not be an even better team if they had Rudy Gay over Shane Battier. I know Battier is one of those guys every team needs but Gay is a player they could use because you just know TMac is going to be hurt or something. Tmac, Gay, and Yao would have been scary.

By Ken Strickland

November 7, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

CP-very good points. Some of us got so caught up in bashing BK for his perceived failures we didn’t objectively view the same oversight with other GM’s. BK’s decision not to draft certain players didn’t go over well with some of our fans, but what he did draft has certainly paid off. Chicago, Charlotte, Houston, and some other teams/GM’s can’t say that.

If the SAASG had allowed BK to do his job last yr, we could have our current team, plus Childress, and a diffenent HC. I’LL TAKE THAT ANY DAY.

By Nookah

November 7, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

Move on down in the waggon!!! This bus is getting pretty full. All the naysayers will be piling on before the first half is done…..and that includes ESPN and all those so called experts who said we won’t do this and we won’t do that.

I know it’s early but I am not suprised at all. If we can remain consistent then my 48 win prediction may be understated.

GO HAWKS!!!!

Nuff respect!!!!

By yessir

November 7, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

Ken Strickland you suck!!!! Smartguy where are you????? Clyde the tide are going down!!!!!!

By I.MUS WRITE

November 7, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

Has anyone else seen this idiot Jack Armstrong on NBA TV- bashing our city and team……

I cant wait for the game tonight -I’ll be there cheering louder than ever. Our neighbors to the north have been talking shyt ever since that TJ Ford incident.

I hope Horford knocks J.Oneal into the 5th row. “WE MUS PROTECT THIS HOUSE”

By Ariose

November 7, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

The only reason Woody didn’t put Bibby back into the game was b/c NO went Big with Posey and Peja down the stretch so Marvin had to play……and Flip is Clutch/on fire….

~Sir Links A Lot~

By hawkfan

November 7, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

i.mus write, thats funny, i forgot about the whole toronto raptors hawks beef from last season with the tj ford, al horford incident and the shot clock incident in that late game before the playoffs and how all the raptors fans were mad and came on to our website bashing us, ppl who have something bad to say about us are just haters, which means we are doing something good, can’t wait for action, we do have to protect our house, go hawks!

By Astro Joe

November 7, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

Did you all see this one? Possibly the single most gratifying national story on the Hawks in a decade.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8767594/Face-it-folks,-Hawks-aren’t-going-away?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=73

By I.MUS WRITE

November 7, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Yeah Hawksfan, be prepared for the Canadian invasion tomorrow. win or lose there will be alot of there fans posting here.

Gawd I want this win really bad.

By Ariose

November 7, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Darnit AJ…..I was JUST about to link that lol. Oh well, I was beaten by the man with fastr hands hehehe….

~Sir Links A Lot~

By ITCHI BALLS

November 7, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

Go Hawks! Ando is a a* hole. party pooper

By ray

November 7, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

Itchi Balls? Itchi Balls….stop playin’ Ariose…lol

Nice link AJ.

By ant banks

November 7, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this

lacsho and anyone else who will be at the game, holla atcha boy, section 111 U!! go hawks!! we will win tonight!! 4-0 baby!!!

By ITCHI BALLS

November 7, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

Ariose im not, yeah i been reading ur work ray. what ? are u the mayor of this blog-u seem to have alot to say every dam day……… Oh my i have to go im itchn at a all time hi .does anyone have ointment

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 7, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

95% of Fox Sports readers think the Hawks will make the playoffs? Holy sh-t.

I’m a little confused by the Joe Johnson-LeBron comparison, but great to read a positive story about the Hawks regardless.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 7, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

Just another note about yesterday’s incredible late game: Brandon Roy is the truth, for real. I’m not sure what the Hawks would look like if we had drafted him instead of Shellhead in 2005, but I’m sure we could have found a way to make it work with a guy of that caliber.

By Ariose

November 7, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

???? Ray, Uh-uh….not my style lol…

Way too cheesey for me heh….

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ariose

November 7, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

…….it’s funny though…..

~Sir Links A Lot~

By ray

November 7, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this

Ariose, I’m just playin’….I have no idea who the itchy nads person is. I thought it was kinda funny anyway, though.

Najeh, I would have loved for us to draft Roy, and yes we could’ve made it work somehow. But I remember all the people that kept saying that neither Roy nor Paul would have been nearly as good here under Woodson and how stupid an idea it was to draft either guy. Funny how now so many of those SAME PEOPLE are the ones telling us all that we should be giving Woody credit for being such a good coach or that he has vastly improved.

Will wonders never cease…

By Melvin

November 7, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this

Great 1st quarter for the Hawks. Bibby look like he has the shooting touch tonite. Look like Josh may have tweak his ankle. Hopefully, it’s not serious.

By Melvin

November 7, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

Hawks start the 2nd qt on fire. 3pt by flip. Acie with the assist and Solomon is all over the glass along with Marvin…

By Melvin

November 7, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this

The report from the Hawks locker is that Josh’s left ankle is heavly wrap and he’s heading for X-rays on crutches.

By Melvin

November 7, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this

Josh is out for the rest of the game with a left ankle sprain…..

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this

Man Bibby is playing his behind off.

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this

Man we got to many weapons. Acie is looking decent tonight. The second team has extended the league, and they look damn good.

By Melvin

November 7, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this

Mike Bibby is on FIRE….

By Samuel

November 7, 2008 8:30 PM | Link to this

Mr. Bibby Dam It!

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this

Damn we have to step it up another level without Smoove.

By mykhalc

November 7, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this

DAMN!!!! A COMPLETE TEAM!!!!

By Melvin

November 7, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

As good as the Hawks are playing, they still can’t get a foul call… No respect.

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

The Refs suck tonite. They still can’t stop us!!!!!

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

Whatz Good Mykhalc,

Bibby is on fire!!!!!!

Hell the hole team is on fire; I’m telling you this is a different Hawks team.

By Ryan

November 7, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this

Could you imagine, last year, even considering being IN a game where Horford was sitting out most of the first half with foul trouble and Josh Smith was out with an ankle sprain after playing 11 minutes?

Much less leading it by 12?

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

Woody is coaching his azz off. Randmo sighting and he’s looking pretty good. Damn our team is deep.

By Astro Joe

November 7, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

Hawks need to step up their defense if they are going to win this game. We shouldn’t assume that we can win games by allowing the other team to score 100 points.

Solomon looked good in the 2nd quarter. We need Horford to show up with Smmith out.

By Blast

November 7, 2008 8:49 PM | Link to this

Josh heals fast. He won’t be out for long. The refs sucks!

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this

Ryan

Exactly, as I stated earlier today we have 10 players who can lead this team in scoring during any given game.

By Ryan

November 7, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

Did a Hawks player sleep with the Ref’s wife or something? Just saying…

By ray

November 7, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

Bibby is hotter than hot. I know some will be mad when I say this, but he won’t be like this every night. But I’m of the belief that with a guy like Flip Murray coming off the bench, he won’t have to be, and that in and of itself is beautiful. But it’s nice to know that sometimes Bibby will be this damn hot because he’s got the skills. I say keep giving him the damn ball if he keeps shooting the lights out….

I hated seeing Josh Smith come out with an injury, but this will give some other guys some minutes and a chance to man-up and contribute (please get well quick Josh, you’re a star and we need you). It also will teach our guys how to step up and win when a key guy is out.

I hate watching JJ get groped like a $2 dollar hooker, and not getting the fouls called. This is BS. Give the man some respect.

I love watching Solo earn his keep. And he is doing just that. I also want to see Morris play more. I think he’s a hidden offensive weapon.

I love watching us get into this team’s heads. This team has never been able to do that before, but we are doing it to teams this year.

Marvin looks more confident. Just watched him drain a stand-up jumper right in his defender’s face after looking like he might drive. Keep getting tougher Marvin.

I love the fact that these guys finally have a chip on their shoulders. And they’re keeping it there.

By Blast

November 7, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

Damn, the Hawks are good. The league better recognise.

By terrell barron

November 7, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

1st foul on Oneal or Bosh late in the 3rd qtr. Talk about no respect. How bout Solo? Playing pretty good tonight.

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 9:11 PM | Link to this

It seems like it

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this

Ray

These fools need to give JJ respect. Sometimes he can’t buy a call. Solo is looking nice. Can we get some emotions out of Randmo?

By mykhalc

November 7, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this

Lacsho, yep BIBBY is killin’ it this game!!! loved his signin’ from DAY 1!!!! i’m diggin’ everythin’ i’m seein’ tonite!!! well, except SMOOVE goin’ down!!

By Ryan

November 7, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

More than two to one disparity in foul calls?

By Blast

November 7, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this

Josh will be back in a week max.

By Ryan

November 7, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this

What would JJ be averaging right now in points if he actually got the number of foul calls he was entitled to?

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this

Damn Smoove out 2-4 weeks. I guess Randmo or Solo will get more playing time. This is Marvin’s chance to get busy and start averaging 20 ppg.

By ray

November 7, 2008 9:32 PM | Link to this

Now that was a good move by Marvin. Instead of driving toward the baseline itself, he faked and drove toward the middle for the running hook. At 6’9 and 240 lbs that should consistently result in a score, foul, or score and foul. Nice move, Marvin!

Dammit, Josh is going to be out for at least two weeks. Well, like I said earlier, I hate that, but it does give some of the other guys a chance at stepping up and contributing. All teams must play through adversity, and good teams come out on the top half despite it. Let’s show the league we can do that, guys.

By mykhalc

November 7, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this

ok…i know it was a ‘trade’!!!LOL

2-4 weeks on JS?????

By ray

November 7, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

Lacsho,

I don’t know what’s up with RandMo. He probably plays one hell of a poker game though, LOL! Man, we are harassing the hell out of these guys. We have to keep this up all year, fellas. All year.

Uh-ohhhhh! Did I just witness a true Flip/Mo moment!

By terrell barron

November 7, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

Richbrave, did you guys just lose at home to the Knicks? Are the Knicks that much better, or are you guys that much worse?

By ray

November 7, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this

Lachso, I want to see both guys get the minutes. But if having to choose, my vote goes to Solo based on this game alone…

Damn, now you know we whipped the Hornets a*******es something fierce. How can you tell? Because they went and got whipped by the dadgum Bobcats…

Holy….Flip just nailed a 3 that had to be about 30 feet…

By Ryan

November 7, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this

If there was anythign resembling real Reffing in this game, we woudl be emptying the bench allready.

By ray

November 7, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Man, how many rebounds is Joe going to get?

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 9:42 PM | Link to this

It’s a BLOWOUT Baby

4-0

Who’s next!!!!!

By Samuel

November 7, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this

Bargnani vs Kwame Brown who’s worse. Ray, I think Bibby won the Battle of Eastern PGs tonight.

How about Solo? The man stepped up. I hate that Josh went down but hopefully Solo will get more minutes.

Get well soon JSmooth.

Woody=COY.

By Blast

November 7, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this

Total domination tonight! Go HAWKS!!!!! It ain’t over yet but it’s over! 4-0 babeeeeeeee!

By ray

November 7, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

terrell, I have to believe that D’Antoni’s system is seriously benefitting the Knicks. Not as much as it will once things are set (and the team gets used to it), but it’s a superior system offensively. Defensively…ehhhh, no. But then, Phoenix was always known as “a good defense is a scary offense” under D’Antoni….

OHHHHHHHH! Rejections by MARIOOOOOOO!

By jeff

November 7, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this

I’m not too familiar with how players progress…is there reason to be concerned about Horford’s lack of scoring so far?

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this

Man everyone got quiet on me when I went with the 50 wins!!!!!!

By kwooden1

November 7, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

HAWKS WIN!! HAWKS WIN!!HAWKS WIN!!HAWKS WIN!!HAWKS WIN!!HAWKS WIN!!HAWKS WIN!!HAWKS WIN!!HAWKS WIN!!HAWKS WIN!!HAWKS WIN!!HAWKS WIN!!HAWKS WIN!!

By ray

November 7, 2008 9:53 PM | Link to this

I can’t say it enough: this team is just so different than before.

We are straight up killin’ it from beyond the arc this year. We never were able to do that before.

I’ve never seen this much ball movement before either. I liked the Flip/Mo signings when they happened….but man are they proving their worth right about now.

I’ll be Orlando misses both Keyon Dooling and Mo Evans right now. Oh, and for the record, I don’t see Orlando winning 50 this year.

Acie looks good and smooth out there. He’s solid on defense. More importantly, he’s not turning the ball over (he only had one turnover).

Did we just beat the ‘Raps by frikkin’ 18 points? We just beat them by 18 points! Way to go Hawks! Who’s next??

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

Somebody has to give us respect

Damn every game should be in HD..

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

Ray

We have to get everyone at Phillips at the same time.

Chills is making money, but I know he would rather be with a 4-0 Hawks…

By kwooden1

November 7, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

UNBELIEVABLE WIN!!!!!!!!! They played consistant throughout the game and pulled away at the end. Murray had a HUGH 3 late in the 4th to put the last nail the coffin. JS is got to get well soon! Great shooting by Bibby, that’s what we’ve all been waiting for. Marvin, Flip/Mo played great. I CAN’T BELIEVE the play of Solo and Morris. Their contributions were hugh!! What a great win!!!!

I CAN SAY ANYTHING ELSE BUT

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

By ray

November 7, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

Samuel, no contest tonight. It was clearly Bibby’s night. Clearly. 19 points, 12 assists, 1 turnover…top flight numbers there. No doubt, he was FEELIN’ it.

And I have to give you kudos again on calling it right on Solo. Dude was a terror on defense, and on the boards. I say give him more minutes (especially while Josh is out). You know what’s funny? He was drafted almost as an afterthought, but so far he looks to be everything we wanted in Sheldon Williams….

Tell you what Sam, if this team wins 50 games, Woody should get that award (or at least get very serious consideration). Hell, I’ll have Clyde make you up a shirt to that effect….and buy it for you. Heh!

I agree with Ryan, the officiating sucked monkey nads….

By JD

November 7, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

I said it earlier and I’ll say it again…..usually, in year 4 is when a player realizes his potential and starts performing like they know they can. Marvin Williams had a GREAT game. His defense is much improved, and he’s being very selective with his shooting. His point total may not be huge, but he’s hitting shots when he has scoring opportunities. And when he’s driving to the basket, he’s in much better control than he was earlier in his career. The work he’s put in over the summer, including the extra weight, has paid off.

This was a GREAT win for the Hawks. They’ve faced FOUR playoff caliber teams and have handled them all (with the exception of the Philly game, which they came back in roaring fashion). This shows how much this team has grown and how far they’ve come.

Credit also needs to go to the bench mob. Flip, Mo, Solo, Acie, AND Randolph Morris. We’ve all been wanting to see what this young man can do, and it looks like the Hawks are going to be solid at the four and five positions.

GREAT WIN HAWKS!!!! LET’S KEEP IT MOVING!!!!!

By ray

November 7, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this

Lacsho, hey if you call it, you call it. You get the bragging rights fo sho, but brotha we’re about 46 wins away at the moment. Still, I won’t forget if it turns out you called it right.

How about that: no BWAF from Woody and no scowls/dejected dumb looks during post-game interview. I’ll admit it: I rather like that.

JJ looked like he might have been working on a triple double for a minute there…

By Macaroni Tony

November 7, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this

Great win tonight, I just loved it… We know wish that we make those chumps on ESPN and TNT give us some more coverage… I hope that JS better soon, but if someone would have told me that we’d be 4-0, I would’ve said stop playing.

By Samuel

November 7, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this

I hope we can also put to rest these silly notions of trading Mike Bibby. The guy is a serious veteran PG. Even when he’s not blazing hot like he was tonight, he just knows how to run the team. It’s so important to get game off to a good start. Mike Bibby has done that every single game. He showed tonight that he can also distribute with the best of them.

Yall, say what you want but Woody is a serious defensive strategist. Tonight he put JJ on Calderon and he basically shut him down while Bibby was able to sag off on A Parker.

Time to Get a Bigger Wagon. Whip up another pitcher of Koolaid. Mama Harriet Style.

By Blast

November 7, 2008 10:23 PM | Link to this

HAWKS GAME NOTES 11/6/8 10:15 PM

JJ gets no respect from the refs. In fact, all the Hawks players don’t, and that sucks. From some ‘scouts’ too, it seems. The refs either don’t see JJ as a bonafide superstar or they don’t respect the Hawks or both, maybe more of the other. Hmm… This has been going on since he joined the Hawks. JJ gets hacked (badly, obviously) going to the rack and hardly gets his calls. Maybe he should complain some more, actually mention it (nicely, discreetly) on the air. I would love to see JJ average 25-30 points a game, preferably in the 28 per range. That would make him top ten in the league, the Hawks would be better, refs will call Joe’s fouls, more free throws, higher scoring average, more wins, more respect, perennial All-Star, Joe Johnson.

Acie needs to step it up. He needs to quit playing like last year and be more aggressive; otherwise Flip will take his spot. Acie played well tonite, though.

I’m giving Bibby ten games to show himself. He can be reviewed then. If he plays 6 good games out of ten, then he’s okay. Play sub 500 in ten games, then those calling for him to be axed might have a point, although I believe he is better off staying the whole season with the Hawks, regardless of how he plays and let his 15 mil come off the books next season. Depending on how his season ends and if he wants to stay with the Hawks, I would sign him for 4-6 mil per. He is in a contract year after all, and so far, Bibby is 2 of 2. Great game tonite, though.

HAWKS, do not settle for long jumpers especially when they are not falling. Take an extra dribble. Get in the PAINT!

GREAT DEFENCE! KEEP IT UP! IMPROVE ON IT! DEFENCE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!

4 games into the season, I might want to check with game stats keepers if they keep accurate stats. Josh seems to get credited for fewer blocks than I seem to see him block. Conspiracy theories, anyone? Non-calls on Joe?

Josh injured? Don’t sweat it. He’ll be back before you know it. Besides, the Hawks are DEEP!!!!

FlipMo Squad. Can we get a smile from Flip even when he makes a great play? That guy has a mean look! But I love it! Flip Murray, the Mean Assassin.

Better decisions, less turnovers and the Hawks will be fierce in the NBA.

Think they should go to Big AL some more.

Great win. Go Hawks.

By rms

November 7, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this

What the heck? The Hawks win in grand fashion. I would have never thunk it!! Bosh and O”Neal are going to be a tandem to contend with later in the season though. They seem to be able to score at will. J-Smooove get well soon. Good job Woody of using your bench well and bring out Morris, and Solo and even Mario. Great win home team!!

By chuckw/deadjournalist

November 7, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

in scanning through the posts, i didn’t see anyone really mention the game mr. jones had. because tonight, solo earned the name mr. jones. 6/9/3. and he was facing on defense on the bigs; putting arms in the backs; and making his presence felt. the next two weeks are his to entrench himself in the rotation.

great, great game. so much balance on this team - finally.

4 down, 46 to go.

go hawks

By kirknga

November 7, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

Really nice win tonight. The two dominant themes so far this season are the good defense and effective bench.

Another outstanding performance from Bibby tonight. Yes there was the offensive outburst, but the Hawks had only 14 turnovers tonight, and came in averaging only 13.

Last year the Hawks were turnover prone especially at critical moments in the game. This year the offense continues to value the ball due in large part to Bibby and the vets brought in during the offseason.

Tough to lose Josh Smith. He was playing outstanding ball. But now Solo and Morris have an opportunity to show what they can do. Hopefully they do well and build confidence that will carry them through the season.

Looks like Coach Wooden intends to stay around a bit. Not too many calls for his ouster these days. I wonder if that’ll still be the case after this road trip?

Go Hawks!

By jp

November 7, 2008 10:36 PM | Link to this

gives the bench players more playing time with Josh Smith injury. Actually forces woodson to use Solomon Jones and Randolph Morris.

We need to take care of the bad teams like the Thunder.

By Da Real Real

November 7, 2008 10:42 PM | Link to this

Caught another game tonight after going to sixers game last week and all I can say after tonight is that the Hawks are serious contenders. I’ve come on the blog regularly to see some of the Hawks faithful be told that its only one game, two games, three games. To the faithful I say let the bandwagon fans continue doing what they’re doing and you be proud about our Hawks.

Tonight, sitting in the stands, there was one thing that I finally got to smile about and the more and more I watch this team this year I get this very impression. Our starting 5 is incredibly talented. Other years we had one or two guys that could start for any other team. Now you look at our starting 5 and we have as much talent as anybody else. Then you look at our bench and the depth that we’ve gathered on the bench and we start separating ourselves from other teams. Tonight looking at the expressions and the body language of the Raptors…..they looked like a team that knew after that first quarter that they were completely out matched. I can’t remember the last time that the Hawks have done that to teams.

People joked and poked at the Hawks for their record last year and how they got into the playoffs but that’s been the best thing for them. I don’t know if we can call what happened in the playoffs a fluke now. We just be 4 potential playoff contenders and out of the 4 games we have basically skunked three teams - we completely thrashed the sixers in that second half. I don’t think this is something that will fade out as some of the bandwagon fans are saying….this looks serious. We look like one of the top 5 teams in the Eastern Conference. Forget trying to get the 8 spot when you have the chance to do much better.

Hopefully Smoove get better - don’t think it’s going to take him to long to heal, at least I hope not, but it’d be hard for anybody to say something about beating 4 playoff teams in a row. Just in case anybody forgot the Hawks are technically a playoff team too…in fact I can remember a lot of people saying the hawks would have made the second round last year if they played somebody other than the celts.

Keep up the good work guys!

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

Blast

If we can get this Bibby 6 out of 10 games he’s a keeper for this year. The chemistry is on point. You can tell this team is close on and off the court.

You’re right about JJ, they’ve never given this guy respect. JJ is a SuperStar

By richbrave

November 7, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

ON THE HORIZON REPORT:

Expect the best, prepare for the worst. Who’s back-up at the #3, EVANS.?

BTW, while the WIZARDS lost #4 of many this season, JaVALE McGEE gets his first of many double-doubles 12 and 10 rebounds. He begins to hone his offensive game. Defense, a smidgen, just a tad. He’s gonna’ be a good one, but he can’t save the WIZ early this season. Mark up those two wins on the 19th and 29th HAWKS faithful - even without JOSH SMITH, although it might be a bit closer than I thought before JOSH’s injury.

ETAN THOMAS is shut down with a bum ankle. BLATCHE continues to be uneven at the moment. Despite ‘DRAY putting up some numbers, SONGAILA is far more effective defensively.

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

RAY

I’ve been meaning to ask Manny this question.

What does BWAF mean? Please school me lol.

By Freshmaker

November 7, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

Wow, with Detroit’s loss, the Hawks are the only unbeaten team in the East. Go Hawks!

By doc

November 7, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this

MYK, i was there dude. the team is really coming on. rand mo and solo were huge as horford, and zaza sat with four fouls and smith was in the training room with the bum ankle. they hung in there and challenged everything as bosh and o’neal came hard at us.

manny t i looked for you but didnt see you tonight. good to see or mild mannered one, alpha boy with jhan. he was as shocked as i was as folks were streaming out at 5 minutes left with us up over 20 instead of being down that number.

beginning to see this team ascending first hint of adversity is to move along without smith for awhile.

By doc

November 7, 2008 11:07 PM | Link to this

lacsho, thanks for letting me use my seats tonight. ;-)). good sight lines and almost seem like box seats.

By Matt = niremetal

November 7, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this

Smoove’s injury presents two tests. First, a test for Marvin, who now must step up and help fill the scoring void left by Smoove. This is Marvin’s big chance to prove that he deserves a big contract at the end of this year. If he averages 17 points and 7 boards over the next 2-4 weeks, the Hawks will be fine, and he’ll get paid. If he averages 14 and 5, he won’t. It’s up to him.

It’s also a test for the rest of the Hawks. The Hawks from years past that we all loved to hate would be giving up right now, and throwing in the towel until the return of Smoove. This is a test to see if they’ve matured to the point where they can be like last year’s Rockets, who rallied around each other after Yao’s injury and ripped off a record-setting tear even without the big man.

This is the test. I hope they don’t let us down.

By rms

November 7, 2008 11:21 PM | Link to this

Dang Sekou, you aint said nothing. What are you doing? Whats wrong, are u high off the kool-aid?? Say something Sekou. Yes I am calling u out!

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 11:21 PM | Link to this

Doc

You have nice seats; I’m glad you were able to see a great game. Our baby Hawks are all grown up!!!!

I told your son, once all of us are at the game together, (at the same time) food and drinks are on me. He warned me, that he can get his drink on, but it doesn’t matter to me. I appreciate all of the luv you guys have shown me….

By ladiesman3000

November 7, 2008 11:29 PM | Link to this

Hey Sekou,looks like that Mark Price hire is paying off. Now if only he can help Acie learn to run the point.

By richbrave

November 7, 2008 11:33 PM | Link to this

LASCHO:

How about free air-fare to and from my man. I’ll buy you the drink.

By Ariose

November 7, 2008 11:34 PM | Link to this

………I TOLD YA…..Calderon is very good with the assists but he can easily be shut down if you put a hand in his face……and he doesn’t drive to the basket AT ALL……..You’d rather have him over Bibby??? Regardless of the obvious feeds from JJ YOU KNOW Bibby Makes shots with hands in his face. But Calderon??? Nope…..I knew it……especially when they played team USA over the summer it was very apperant that that he’s not very effective if you take away his looks.

And don’t give me that “It was Team USA BS” Team USA Didn’t stop Rudy fernandez or Carlos Delfino from Draining shots. Or keep Patrick Mills(St.Marys University/Team Austrailia) from getting his buckets……..I’m a very good judge….the guy’s a great facilitator but without the proper pieces in plce he guts shut down easily…….We didn’t stop CP3 but we shut down the team….

Big ups to the Guys……we have some games against Lesser opponets coming up so Smoove bing Injured will be good for four Bench bigs to get some Reps in……Hopefully when smoove comes back, Woody will extend the rotation and put them in it once they’ve earned their trust…

Marvin was doing his thang again, and the FlipMo squad is making sure we get to laugh in the face of those who said our team would be sunk without the “Irreplaceable” Josh Childress…

~Sir Links A Lot~

By ER_FAN

November 7, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this

Mike Woodson was quoted after the game in the AP recap of saying Josh Smith is day to day so thats great news. Gotta love how the Hawks are playing right now. I love to see the spread of points on offense showing everyone one can step up and score. Especially with the bench. Points off the bench is so important in a long season you can’t rely on the starters to win every game for you.

Also you gotta love the defensive intensity of the hawks. I think they saw Boston and realized defense is what carried them through the season.

Go Hawks!

By hawkeye

November 7, 2008 11:55 PM | Link to this

i knew it? see what i told you guys? bibby is unstoppable when he’s hot. he shoot the lights out against phoenix last 2 seasons as a king and he has a thumb injury during that time but still he sank 9 3-pointers out of 12 attempts. not even amare and marion could stop him and he also hit 3 clutch 3-pointers with min/secs. remaining. this guy is very deadly when hot. we may not have that kind of contributions every night but that’s why we have flip to back him up.

By Lacsho

November 7, 2008 11:55 PM | Link to this

Richie Rich

I hear you my brotha… Think Airtran and 30 days in advance. I’ll be around your way during the inauguration. I was born in Annapolis… When you come down bring me a bushel of crabs lol.. We can steam them up and I’ll have you a ticket for the game, and room and board.

By Ken Strickland

November 7, 2008 11:56 PM | Link to this

THE HAWKS ARE A TEAM THAT’S SCARY GOOD. It sounds so nice I want to say it twice. THE HAWKS ARE A TEAM THAT’S SCARY GOOD.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 8, 2008 12:04 AM | Link to this

I was at the game today… I gotta say, as worried as I am about Josh’s injury, at least for today’s game the rest of the team stepped up and more than compensated for his absence. Granted it was against a soft, jump-shooting team, but still a good sign going forward. Solo in particular played a very efficient game, although he SUCKS at setting screens.

I half-agree with Ariose about Calderon… I think he’s better than Ariose gives him credit for, and I’d still rather have him than Bibby despite today’s game, but he’s not as good in real life as he is in fantasy. At least half his assists came on easy passes to Jason Kapono, who seemed to hit every shot he took. Of course, it could just be that the Hawks’ stifling defense threw him off his game…

Once again I was very, very pleased with Marvin’s performance. He’s improved so much defensively and has gotten a lot more confident on offense, although I’d still like to see him being a little more aggressive. Still don’t think he’s got what it takes to be the lead scorer on a team, but I think we’re starting to see him realize some of the potential that made him the #2 pick.

Going forward, with Josh’s upcoming absence it’s gonna be even more important that Horford gets the rock in the post. He’s still not a completely dependable option, but he also seems like he’d get better with more touches. The Hawks can’t entirely rely on Joe and three-point shooting to carry them going forward. Marvin has to continue to be aggressive and Horford needs more opportunities in the post.

By rms

November 8, 2008 12:05 AM | Link to this

The Hawks definitly wont be sneaking up on anyone now! Maybe they can pull off 3 out of 4 on this long road trip. They should be OK. They got two back to back sets on this road trip so lets how they do after this. But they are definitly wont be sneaking up on anyone now! These teams they are beating look dazed as if they cant believe they are getting beat by the Hawks.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 8, 2008 12:06 AM | Link to this

Lacsho, it stands for “Bald Woody Arms Folded” (I think)

By Lacsho

November 8, 2008 12:07 AM | Link to this

Ken

It’s been along time coming; this has been one helluva a week!!!

I’m putting every team in the NBA on notice…

Here we come!!!

By mykhalc

November 8, 2008 12:11 AM | Link to this

DOC, you gotta be lovin’ those season tix now my brotha!!!LOL this team REALLY looks good!!! even WOODSON…nah i just can’t go there yet!!!LOL

FLIP, MO, SOLO, RMORRIS…totally impressed with what each one brought. still think will be the biggest difference for the team this year!! even ACIE looked more settled tonite.

what’s the latest on SMOOVE??? NBALP does not show the after game show. what was the latest report??

GO HAWKS!!! damn they look good!!!

By richbrave

November 8, 2008 12:11 AM | Link to this

LACSHO:

Fine digs, ANNAPOLIS. See you in the spring, hopefully. I’ve got a three day weekend in early APRIL with the BRAVES and HAWKS if I can work out the logistics.

By Lacsho

November 8, 2008 12:14 AM | Link to this

Najeh

Thanks my brother. I see you getting busy on the fantasy tip.(quiet is kept) Banks was sleep at the wheel last night. Did you run into him at the game tonight?

By doc

November 8, 2008 12:23 AM | Link to this

rich logistics h3ll. just make it happen and noe ecuses as i have already got your seat for your arse to sit in. plenty of leg room and no steps, no one in front or back. good one tonight.

By Lacsho

November 8, 2008 12:28 AM | Link to this

Najeh

I take that back; I see banks is getting busy…

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 8, 2008 12:59 AM | Link to this

Yeah Banks is killin’ me right now, thanks in part to 4 players on my team being injured…

By Hawks Fan In New Orleans

November 8, 2008 1:00 AM | Link to this

This reminds me of the start The Hawks got off to in the 93-94 season before Babcock traded Nique - clickin’ on all cylinders!!! Bibby looked like Blaylock tonight, lol!

By mykhalc

November 8, 2008 1:28 AM | Link to this

i’ll take BIBBY…PERIOD!!! even when he’s off he’s still more of a threat than CALDERON IMHO. he makes defenses make a choice when he’s on the court with JJ. this team really has a nice balance happenin’ right now. if SOLO and RAMO can produce like they did tonite then i’d say we got a winner fellas!!! GO HAWKS!!!

By cp

November 8, 2008 3:08 AM | Link to this

Great win. I hate it that Josh is hurt but it means other guys just have to step up. I want to see more out of Horford. He seems to be off to somewhat of a slow start. Maybe its the foul trouble I dont know but I want to see a little more offense from him. Great game by the bench. Solo and RandyMo will have to play minutes due to the injury to Josh so its time for them to show coach they are ready. Law looked better tonight but im still not seeing enough. Im rooting for the kid to get it together. He has the talent but I dont know if he lacks confidence or what.

I mentioned in my post after the Hornets game how Joe gets no love from the refs. I think I saw him barking at the ref for the first time ever because of the lack of calls. He usually just shakes it off and keeps playing but he was letting the refs know he did not appreciate the no calls. Maybe he needs to complain a little more and get a tech or two until teh refs start showing him some respect.

We have to stay focused and keep playing hard.

By Clyde

November 8, 2008 3:34 AM | Link to this

Why does someone have to get hurt before Woody uses his bench? Solomon should be playing more along side Smoove when he gets back.

I looked at the box score and saw Solomon played way more minutes than Horford. That needs to continue. Horford continues to prove he just can’t play against taller front lines. Woody needs to swallow his pride and start Solomon even when Smoove get back.

And heres a stat for yall. Solomon Jones had more blocks tonight in one game than Horford has had all season.

ROLL TIDE!!!!! I TOLD YALL WE WERE #1

By Nate ArchiBALL

November 8, 2008 7:22 AM | Link to this

Great win. The bench really stepped up. Gotta love what Flip and Solo brought to Philips Area last night. I always thought Solo had that kind of defensive talent. He just needed extended game time.
Will Woody put Solo in the rotation or will he go back to getting spot minutes……..

By JD

November 8, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

Hawks Fan in N.O.

The ‘Nique trade was initiated by Lenny Wilkens not Pete Babcock.

The Hawks would never be “Lenny’s Team” as long as ‘Nique was in Atlanta.

In an ironic note, Lenny was traded from the Hawks for Walt Hazzard for a similar reason at the direction of Richie Guerin, not entirely the same but similar. That trade started the slow decline of the early Hawk teams.

There are HUGE egos in the NBA.

By JD

November 8, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

Toronto took 2 intentional fouls in the first half and the officials ignored both - Toronto was called 4 times in the half and the Hawks still led by 12.

By richbrave

November 8, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

doc:

$$$$ is all doc. Easy. Got a son-in-law and elder daughter laid-off right now. Grandpa the ATM machine. You know what I mean.

By Lacsho

November 8, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

Rich

We’ll figure something out. They should be making a playoff run in April, so that should be a really good time to be here.

Oh everyone forget to mention Rio’s high flying block. That guy was close to the top of the square. I didn’t know he had ups like that. I saw it again on nba.com.

CP

I saw JJ barking at the refs during the Philly game. I think he’s getting fed up. You’re right he needs to get a coupole of techs, perhaps the refs would take notice. Speaking of the Refs, they really sucked last night. You would think they were trying to give the Raptors the game.

By I.MUS WRITE

November 8, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

Bench Mob- Our bench and defense are definitely strong suits so far. Solo did a good job filling in for Smoove-I dont know why he doesnt get more minutes.

My friend told me after the sixers game that this squad could be 4th in the east this year, I said maybe 6th…. but after whippn 4 playoff teams from last year-hell why not, I think we are deep/talented enuff to get that 4th spot.

Horford needs to show me more-he looks robotic in the post, I hope he steps up along with Morris while Josh is outt.

By ant banks

November 8, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

man, i am tellin’ y’all the hawks will win the division and will end up with the 2nd spot!! yes, i said it!!

woody will end up being the coach of the yr.

sund will be gm of the year!!

lacsho ‘poop that fantasy league is lookin’ good right now. we got 24 more weeks to go though.

the arena was a nice crowd for a toronto team, so imagine what its goin’ to be like for clev.

By ant banks

November 8, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

i think that there is goin’ to be a lot of crow bein’ served for thanksgivin’. woody has been ripped unmercifully in this blog.

while i am not a woody lover, i was always of the opinion to give him a chance with veterans which he has never had until this yr. he is startin’ to look like a genius

he has been usin’ his bench like he is on a mission

By TAR HEELS 3

November 8, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

HERE I AM AGAIN COACH WOODSON WILL BE COACH OF THE MONTH FOR NOVEMBER AND COACH OF THE YEAR 2008 - 2009 NBA SEASON. LAST NIGHT HE DIDN,T GET RATTLED WHEN JSMOOVE WENT DOWN, HE AND THE TEAM JUST GOT BUSY. COACH WILL TAKE A BAD SITUATION AND MAKE SOMETHING GREAT COME OUT OF IT, SOLO AND RMORRIS WILL BE MUCH IMPROVED BY THE TIME JSMOOVE GET BACK AND WE WILL HAVE THE BEST BENCH IN THE LEAGUE COME DECEMBER AND EVERY SPORTS TALK SHOW WILL BE TALKING HAWKS BASKETBALL. I AM ON A MISSION TO SEE COACH WOODSON RIGHTFULLY GET HIS PROPS… SEE YOU GUYS IN THE HIGHLIGHT FACTORY…

By ant banks

November 8, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

we will beat boston when we go up there in 10 days. anyone care to place a gentleman’s wager on that? we beat okc, chi, and bstn and will end up 7-0.

we can go on a 12 or 13 game tear, too. hell houston did it last year, without yao!

WE WILL BEAT BOSTON ON NOV. 12TH.

By Ken Strickland

November 8, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

LACSHO-I remember when everyone was uneasy about how the Hawks would handle our opening schedule. There were numerous predictions that reflecteded that uneasiness. I didn’t make any predictions, but I was just as uneasy. My concerns wasn’t with the team, but with Woodson. I figured he’d also realize the difficulty of our opening schedule and would try to guide the team through it by clamping down and controlling everything like he did last yr.

At this point, I have to join you in saying Woodson has been coaching his anus off. He effectively used all 12 players last night and got solid production from them all.

After watching Solo be so productive last night, doesn’t it make you wonder if maybe we couldn’t have gotten some of that from him last yr had Woodson given him a little encouragement and consistent mins? Solo and Morris make a good combination . Solo has strong DEF skills and the Morris has strong OFF skills. With Josh being out for 2-4 wks, we’ll get a good long look at Horford at PF.

By Steve T

November 8, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

The most impressive thing about the Hawks win was they won without Smith and Horford playing significant minutes which was something that they could not do last season. II know things may low down and some may be come concern, but it is a long season and this may be a blessing. This will give us a chance to develop Solo and Morris which could take the hawks even deeper in the play off.

Solo had 6 points, 9 rebounds, and 3 blocks in 25 minutes. Morris had 6 points, 1 rebound and 1 block in 13 minutes. I think the Hawks should play both of these guys while Smith is healing. How many would take a center if he could give you 12 points, 10 rebounds, and 4 blocks in 38 minutes while shooting 83% from the field. Now just think if these two guys could get even better where they could come out ever night and give you 16 points 12 rebounds, and 4.5 blocks per game while shooting 60% from the field.

I will say that we can finally see the genius of Billy Knight. People said that he had too many forwards, but it appears that we needed those forwards with Smith being out. I wish there was a way that we could have both GMs building this team. It could means that the Hawks could be winners for years.

By ant banks

November 8, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

steve t please don’t mention the “b-word” on this blog…BILLY KNIGHT. he, along with woody were ripped unmercifully on this blog. now you want to come in here and give billy credit for this? next you will want to be givin’ woody credit, also.

i admit, i was a BR, billy ripper. there is no way that a team of forwards is better than cp3 and brandon roy. things jus look good now cause we are winning. if we were 0-4, we still would be persecutin’ billy and woody.

i attribute the winnin’ to savvy vets like flip-mo squad (flip muuray and mo evans) these 2 vets alone came from winning organizations, detroit and orlando, respectively. couple these guys with jj, who came from a winning organization, and bibby was winning in the early 2000’s and you have the winnin’ formula that you see now.

By ant banks

November 8, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

earlier in this blog, someone suggested that ac may be a bust. i agree. i would like to coin a new expression for him…

A.C. FLAW

didn’t the hawks pick up the options on him? i am not sure that this is a good move.

By ant banks

November 8, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

i have looked by thru the past couple of blogs and since we have been winnin’ josh childress’ name has not been appearin’ as much. the flip/mo squad has wiped the memory of j-chill from our collective memory.

flip/mo squad collectively makes about 4mill between the 2 of them. they have been gettin’ robbed for the past 4yrs. flip started games with indy and detroit and mo’ evans started games with orlando. i do applaud j-chill for goin’ to get his money ‘cause he would have ended up like flip/mo squad gettin’ bare bones while playin’ your azz off

By A Thinking Fan

November 8, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

You WIN with VETS in this league, and you rebuild with the right combination of youth & VETS! The Hawks have a solid combination going on right now. However, let’s see how Coach & Team handle this road trip plus losing JS now.

By Lacsho

November 8, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

Banks

I attribute the winning to the entire team. Like the Raptors coach stated, “They starting five consist of first round draft choices. The organization provided patience, and they allowed the maturation process to run its course”. Now you add two savvy veterans and a young guy (Randmo) finding his place. Walla you have a very tough team emerging in the east (Hawks).

I think Acie will be ok. He will get his chance to shine. For now he needs to remain solid. Don’t give up on him this early. He played solid in the preseason; if he wants more playing time, he’ll find his way back.

Furthermore, Banks the Celtics game will be our first back to back, so that will pose a different challenge. Woody’s going to have to manage the minutes. This will be a great test. I know the team will be psyched, and since we play them on the road, they will want revenge from last year.

Honestly, I think we’re the third best team in the east, and we’re not too far behind Boston and Detroit. Hell we might be the second best team. By the end of the season we might be the number one team. We have players who can step up for Smoove, but what happens if Pierce or Garnett gets hurt. It will be a wrap for Boston.

By Hawks Fan In New Orleans

November 8, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

JD You know - I always suspected that LW was behind it way back when, but I heard so many conflicting stories then and one of my college buddies said his family was cool with Coach Lenny and apprently he has always denied spear-heading the Nique-Manning trade…Thanks for that info about the St. Louis Hawks though and yes EGOs are a mutha in the NBA!!!

ant banks I’m feelin’ the optimism. Its early, but I’m with you on the winning the Southeast Div this year. Orlando is the biggest obstacle and The Hawks consistently match up well and out play them. Let’s just focus on OKC for right now - remember the old Hawks have a habit of playing down to the competition.

Steve T You are right about Billy Knight, he does not get credit he deserves for his vision which starting to come to fruition - but Sund has filled this team out nicely and didn’t break the bank to re-up Josh Smith like other teams did with their restricted free-agents. And can you picture Ego-manic BK deferring to anyone!LOL. BK laid the blueprint and Sund is laying the rest of the bricks -let’s just leave it at that.

By ant banks

November 8, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

hawks fan that ‘nique trade had to be done to avoid a pr nightmare.

there was a big time murder in atlanta in ‘93 SARAH TOKARS. her husband, a lawyer, was the behind the murder.

thee were two night club in atlanta during that time CLUB 21 (deon sanders and ‘nique) used their names with these clubs. FRED TOKARS was launderin’ money thru these clubs. even tho nique and deon had nuthin’ to do with it, it would have been a pr nightmare for the braves and hawks, so they got rid of both players that season.

By E. G.

November 8, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

I’m going out on a limb here and predicting that the Hawks will win the “2” spot in the Eastern conference. Tell me why they can’t.

By Clyde

November 8, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

Ken Strickland you said, “After watching Solo be so productive last night, doesn’t it make you wonder if maybe we couldn’t have gotten some of that from him last yr had Woodson given him a little encouragement and consistent mins?”

That’s what I’ve been saying for two years. People kept saying he wasn’t ready but he never got the chance to prove he wasn’t ready. Just like I said its a shame someone has to get hurt before Woody uses his bench.

And to just take yall back. Woody didn’t start playing Jsmoove until Al Harrington got hurt.

ROLL TIDE!!!!

By Gypsyjoe

November 8, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

The Hawks are playing great. I am just sick of all the jokers on the tube showing no respect to the Hawks. The Chump on ESPN. Man he just make’s stupid little jokes when talking about us playing lights out b-ball. Keep it up guys make them all eat there words. I think Stuart Scott just try’s to be to frigen cool. GO HAWKS

By mykhalc

November 8, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

fyi from espn…

Smith was listed as day-to-day. “He’s a quick healer,” Atlanta coach Mike Woodson said. “I don’t expect him to be out long. We’ll evaluate him tomorrow.”

By Nel

November 8, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

* Playoffs time Go Hawks! *

By Nel

November 8, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

Can anybody(Ray,Ken,AJ,…etc) please give a clue to Clyde about his persistent hating on Horford??????

By ant banks

November 8, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

E. G i jus’ said that same thin in my 10:07 am post. i think that the hawks will get the 2nd seed.

we will mosdef win the division. that central division will beat up each other

By Ken Strickland

November 8, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

CLYDE-you got that right. It appears only a few of us were in Solo’s corner. It’s obvious he never gave up on himself and wanted to prove it. Instead of wasting time with a 3rd summer league trying to show Woodson he could play, he made an intelligent decision by using that time to further develop himself.

Both he and Zaza are in the last yr of their contracts. Will Sund sit on his butt again this yr and play the same wait and see gm with Solo like he did with the 2 Joshes? Zaza wants to start again and won’t resign. If we act early and decisively, we might be able to get Solo for what we’re paying Zaza, or maybe less. There’s a tremendous market for a talented BIG that’s energetic, mobile, young, inexpensive, plays good DEF, rebounds and blocks shoots.

STEVE T-I agree. Smith’s injury could be a blessing in the long run.

THINKING FAN-it looks like JJ knew what he was talking about when he spoke out on more than one occasion about the SAASG needing to get some veteran help. Now our younger players don’t have to push themselves and make mistakes trying to do more because of a lack of adequate, experienced backup.

By Clyde

November 8, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this

ROLL TIDE!!!!!!

10-0 #1 IN THE NATION!!!!

By Ken Strickland

November 8, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

NEL-I don’t know why CLYDE feels the way he does about Horford. I do know some people are impressed by the spectacular while others prefer fundamentals. Horford’s not as athletic as Josh, but he’s more maturity, more leadership ability and is far more fundamentally sound. These are attributes that don’t show up on stat sheets, but they definitely have a positive impact on the overall team. Horford is an acquired taste and is not the type of individual player that fills seats, like Josh Smith.

The Hawks are very fortunate that they benefit from having both. How many complained or made fun of BK for drafting so many forwards. So far this season our team of forwards has whipped the pants off Orlando, with DHoward, the NBA’s most dominant center, and dominated Toronto, a team with 2 starting Allstar centers. What those complainers didn’t realize is he didn’t just draft forwards, he drafted a certain type of forward and we’re now seeing the results of his mad genius.

It also appears Woodson has finally learned the need to take advantage of their versatility, athleticism and unique talents. I HAVE TO TAKE MY HAT OFF TO WOODSON FOR STEPPING UP AND COACHING UP HIS TALENT RATHER THAN CONTINUING TO FORCE HIS TALENT INTO HIS PREFERRED SYSTEM.

By E. G.

November 8, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this

Hey ant Banks! When we beat Oaklahoma and Chicago, we will be on our way to a 7-0 record. I don’t think I will be able to sleep at night when the Hawks end up being 4-0 on the road after the Chicago game; that will be amazing. To be honest with you, I am glad that Josh Smith is not playing because, although he is good on defense, he still makes bad decisions on offense. Now Solomon can show his offensive “and” defensive skills. If Solomon really gives a good showing, we could see coming off the bench with Evans and Murray after Josh Smith comes back.

By roan st

November 8, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this

If solo can play the way he did against toronto we will be in good shape until smith gets back. Throw in some offense by morris and Z’s inspired play and the hawks can hold down the fort until smoove heals. Please don’t rush him back to soon! High ankle sprains can linger and be reagravatted without proper healing time.

By rms

November 8, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this

ROLL DEEZ!!!

By rms

November 8, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this

Hey Ant Banks, I like that name Acie Flaw. I mentioned earlier I was verge of saying Acie Law sucks!! I am dissapointed in his performance.

By ant banks

November 8, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

the celts went as far as they did because of their BENCH PLAY!! House, Bigbaby, Cassell, PJ. doc played 10 per night!! we are the celts this year. our bench is hella deep!! our startin’ 5 can keep us in any game and our bench can match up with anyone else’s bench in the league!!

can you think of another team whose bench is better than ours?

By Ariose

November 8, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

…..Lakers….But no, not in the East….

By ant banks

November 8, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this

rms okay, i think it was you who was talkin’ bout acie. they way he balled for texas a&m for 4yrs, i just knew that he would come here and be sick on the court, but he has been very well since gettin’ here.

maybe the nba competition is a little diff from the ncaa’s.

By rms

November 9, 2008 12:13 AM | Link to this

Acie Flaw (I mean Law) shows flashes of his ability at times but not on a consistent level which is needed at an NBA level. Oh well, at least we got Bibby-for now!!!

By Gypsyjoe

November 9, 2008 1:53 AM | Link to this

Since J-Smove is on the shelf for atleast a couple weeks who gets to get out of there street clothes. Speedy,Hunter or Gardner???

By richbrave

November 9, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

KEN STRICKLAND:

Has the WOODEN-one taken a step toward maturity as a coach.? Actually I posted here last off season that I thought WOODSON coached pretty well against the WIZARDS. That of course was the only time I got to see the birds flyin’. Sounds like the players are responding to the more flexible approach. I’ve noticed ACIE has disappeared in the last couple of games though. Still with the problems with coach W.?

By Ken needs to step up

November 9, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

Ken Strickland you showed the most vitriol towards Coach Mike Woodson. I mean the way you railed against this guy, you would think that he slept with your sister. I think that Najeeh was vocal against the Atlanta Spirit Group as an organization, but you were mostly directed towards the coach.

Ken, you need to man up an offer a formal apology towards Coach Woodson, because you now have the proverbial egg on your face.

By terrell barron

November 9, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Quit dogging Acie. Give him some time. He’s no worse than Conley, who was picked after Horford. PLEASE! And fellas, with Smoove being out, what’s the new staring 5? Bibby, JJ, Evans, Marvin, Horford? Bibby, JJ, Marvin, Horford, Zaza? Bibby, JJ, Marvin, Solo, Horford? A lot of options. I’m worried about our help defense though, without Smith. Thoughts?

By Ken Strickland

November 9, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

Tonights gm will signal the start of a 4gm trek that will give us an idea of just how good these Hawks really are. We will play 4 consecutive road gms with the final 2 being back to backs, the last of which will be against the hated Celtics.

Before JSmoove was injuried, both Horford and Zaza got into early foul trouble while Oneal or Bosh were foul free. Once Solo and Morris entered, both Bosh and Oneal started picking up fouls. Most of their fouls were pushing off fouls because our guys were able to crowd and get physical with them and still challenge their shots when they attempted to drive. I wouldn’t be supprised to see Morris become more of an OFF factor in the upcoming gms.

Solo did an outstanding job in the amount of mins he played, especially considering who he was playing. What makes it even more amazing is his admission to being exhausted after the 1st 9 mins. I think he went all out from the moment he stepped onto the floor, not knowing he’d play so meny mins, plus he was obviously nervous.

Today is a big day for Atlanta sports fans. We have the Falcons playing the Saints this afternoon at home and the Hawks trying to continue their winning steak tonight in OK. GO FALCONS AND GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Kwijibo

November 9, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

Sekou, I think the collective blog has a couple of questions for you. Woodson said he’d have a better feel for Josh’s injury yesterday. What are you hearing? If Josh is a quick healer, can you also give us an update on the slowest healer ever, Speedy Claxton? Is he even practicing? Last I heard, he had a hamstring tweak and was expected back weeks ago. Does it appear that we need him right now? No, but never a bad thing to have depth and I figure we’re paying this guy $8.2 million per assist, so I am hopeful that he will be around in case Bibby or Acie get banged up.

Everyone on the Solo bandwagon. I am too, but let’s not forget he put on 20 pounds of muscle over the summer which makes him the real deal instead of the power forward meal.

We’ll get a good look at our coaching acumen when we play the lower level of competition as we gear up for the Celtics game. If we don’t keep up the intensity against OKC and da Bulls, I’ll be disappointed.

Clyde, the Gators are going to end your euphoria in about a month. Until then though, enjoy your great season.

By terrell barron

November 9, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

Ant Banks, I cant applaud a coach for using his bench. Thats what coaches do. He’s just doing what he supposed to be doing. I aint mad at him though. lol!! And Ken, name me 1 team, where Zaza would be the starting center? He’ll be back. I think?

By ray

November 9, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

Well, here is the first test of adversity. Life is not going to be easy on either end of the court without Josh Smith, but doubly so on the defensive end. That’s not to say that we can’t win without him. The key to any good team is being able to both survive and win with key players being out at times.

Josh is a defensive superstar. I expect him to make all-NBA 1st team defense. Really. And he was averaging a double-double before he went down in the last game.

Ariose,

Bibby gets 19 points (19, not 20-something, 30, or more) and hits 5 threes and suddenly it’s “I told you so?” Tell me so when he averages 19 while shooting better than 30 something percent, eh?

So Calderon is not so good, ay? Then how come Bibby wasn’t guarding him? Not that I’m arguing in favor of another team vs ours, but how ironic that you take this stance after the game. Read what Samuel wrote earlier on the blog: Woody put JJ on Calderon. Now why do you suppose that was? Could it be that he recognized Bibby for who/what he is on defense and decided things would go much better if he let Bibby off easy so he could guard A. Parker (non-threat) while the defensively superior JJ got the tough job? And I’m sure being guarded by the larger, magnificent 6’7” all-star sg had nothing to do with Calderon being contained (yet still getting 12 assists, just like Bibby). It seems that the hand in the face thing works on most people (but not JJ)…and so do screens and wonderful ball movement on the other end….Hence the reason Bibby managed to catch fire and stay that way. If you recorded the game like I did, you can go back and watch….how many times was Bibby open when he hit those shots, hmmmm? Oh, I think he had clear skies nearly all night. Yep, he’s damn dangerous when he’s open, and I’ll give him credit for it. And he’s got JJ. Calderon has Parker. If Parker were a bigger threat, Woody’s defensive “strategy” wouldn’t have worked, simple as that.

Let me add one more thing: a guy who doesn’t have to work like a dog on the defensive end is usually pretty fresh on offense. Likewise, if a guy is working like a dog defensively, his offense suffers. The game against the Raptors more than proves that entire concept. Keep an eye on who Bibby guards this season. Watch closely. I’m not piling on Bibby, I’m just calling it like it is. There are strengths and weaknesses of each team, and with each player. They have to be recognized or the other team will exploit them, instead of us exploiting them…

Samuel,

I’ll give Woody credit for recognizing the obvious: his starting point guard, no matter how effective he can be when hot, cannot effectively guard the more talented of his counterparts. The season isn’t 4 games old, and we’ve seen Woody do this twice already. Admittedly, I am seeing him employ strategies that we didn’t see before. Hmmmm. Well, at least Woody recognizes things for what they are and is adjusting accordingly. He’s doing his job. I think his job is about to get tougher with Josh Smith out, but we’ll see what he does. Things being as early as they are, there will be room for experimentation with Josh out. Who will he play more, and at what positions? What player combinations will he use? Surely it will depend on what team we’re playing and who presents the most threat during the game. And this will require shrewd in-game decisions and adjustments as well. But you know what, Sam? For once I’m not filled with dread at those thoughts and questions. I’m filled with curiosity and intrigue. And I hope he does not disappoint (we wouldn’t want a relapse, now would we?).

Clyde, in past times I’d be happy to join in the “off with his head” chant, but the fact is, Woody has been steadily using 4 guys off the bench so far. That’s basically twice as many as last year. Have you not been watching the games this year? You know, if you just read the box scores, you’d see it. Seriously.

By terrell barron

November 9, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

It’s time to give Durant some payback. Remember that buzzer beater at the factory last year?

By terrell barron

November 9, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

And ken your’re right about the Falcons. This time last year, we did’nt think this game would matter, and it could have PLAYOFF ramifications. WOW!

By ray

November 9, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

Ken needs to step up,

Really? REALLY? After 4 games? I’d say Woodson is getting plenty of credit right now, but sounds to me like someone needs to step back from the liquor cabinet. The season ain’t over, and we’re only just now facing some adversity with the Josh Smith injury, which hopefully won’t be as much trouble as we fear it will be. 78 more games to go, playa.

Furthermore, I don’t think Ken spewed the most venom. Several of us can take credit for that (myself, Mykhalc, and several others) dubious honor.

Step up? If you know Ken so well, then you must be one of the regulars. How about “stepping up” and using your regular name? I mean, seeing as how we’re talking about manning up and all that….

By ray

November 9, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

Good point, Terrell. A good coach is supposed to use his bench. Still, I’ll give the man credit for doing it when he wasn’t doing it last year.

I’m hyped for the Falcons game. And our Hawks are playing the Thunder tonight? I ain’t gonna know how to act, today….

Chris Paul just broke a record by Oscar Robertson by starting the season with 6 straight double doubles. Wow.

Sighhhhhhh….

By ILL-logical

November 9, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

( Pardon me while I flatter someone) The player who could be the most affected by Josh’s absence is IC Flaws. With more emphasis on the new-ish front court rotation, the current incumbent coach may opt to give Flip more time at the 1 to keep more experience on the floor. Looking forward to the youngsters getting an opportunity to show their skills- hey, may not need to trade for a big after all.

By Sautee

November 9, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

For all of you who are ready to give up on Acie….

Remember this: The player he’s often compared to (within his potential) is Chauncey Billups. But Chauncey was not the Chauncey we now know until his FIFTH season.

Conventional wisdom (that’s for you Kirk) is that an NBA player makes his greatest improvement at year 3.

Yes Acie certainly seems tentative, and has to improve his outside shot (which seems to be a little better). But let’s let him grow a little before putting him in the Shellhead category.

And from what I’ve seen this year, he’s the point guard on the team who moves his feet best on defense.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 9, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Acie Flaw? Haha ouch…

By Ken needs to step up

November 9, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

ray you are right. several of us were rippin’ the woodman. i wasn’t a ripper perse, but i was always of the opinion that the man needed some vets. this is what came out of his mouf. if woody was 0-4 right now, there would be more anger towards his coachin’ style than there is love now that he is 4-0.

i think that a team can really be measured by the way the overcome adversity. MLK, JR. said, “The ulimate measure of a man is not where he stands during times of comfort and convenience, but where he stands during challenge and controversy.

everyone will love the hawks and coaches while we are winnin’, but where will we be if the tables turn.

players can easily bond together while they are winnin’, but can they bond durin’ a 12 game losin’ streak?

By Ariose

November 9, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

Ray, I didn’t say Bibby WAS hitting jumpers with hands in his face, I just meant that he has in the past…….and Calderon DID miss some wide open shots but yes, I taped it and I know what our scheme is on defense…..But of course Ray if I were you I wouldn’t read too much into my Calderon comments, you know i’m still not sold on the guy lol. But from now on i’m going to make a concious effort to keep up with his stats in order to prove myself wrong lol…….it’s not like i’ve forgotten how Calderon torched us last season from behiend the Arc…..of course that was post-Bibby, but Lue should have been able to defend that, it’s not like they had JO back then so no one was doubling…….I think that was the game that T.J ford got injured in……it’s funny though Caulderon wasn’t the problem, it was Ford and his 26 points(a lot of which came in the paint) that sealed our loss.

I like how Woody is going to the 2-3/Matchup-Zones full-time now……he started doing it during the playofffs and now that everyones used to it and defending with intensity it seems like we’ve finally found our teams “standard” defensive scheme.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ariose

November 9, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

…..good teams don’t have 12 game loosing streaks, I’m also pretty sure the longest loss-streak for the hawks last season was 5 or 6….

~Sir Links a Lot~

By hawkfan

November 9, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

hey hawks fans check out this link: http://sportsroids.com/2008/11/07/nba-are-the-atlanta-hawks-a-playoff-contender/ this guy jay k is talking about our team and saying we’re bad and stuff, read it and you will be disturbed by it just like i was

By hawks_4_life

November 9, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

hawkfan

You’re right, that was a disturbing read. That guy needs to be taken out back and shot.

By clyde

November 9, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

ray calm that down. You look at the box scores an tell me how many minutes Morris and Solomon played this year before Friday. And while your at it look at the stats and tell me how many minutes Horford and Solomon has played this year. Then tell me how many blocks they have.

Just like I said before use stats to back up your arguements. Also ray looking at the box score it seems like Solomon had more success against the long frontline of Toronto.

ROLL TIDE!!!!! WERE HEADED FOR THE GEORGIA DOME!!

By King K.C.

November 9, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

Listen up peasants Your King wishes you all the best. How bout our 4-0 Hawks! Unfortunately, JSmith is out for a few weeks. The good news is we have a great bench. Flip Murray and Mo Evans have been HUGE! I am looking forward to watching Randy “no game” Morris attempt to prove me wrong. Now he has the opportunity. So does Solo. Don’t sleep on Marvin. He’ll score and rebound very well tonight!! Sorry Clyde, but Florida will destroy the crimson tide and steal your title shot. Good luck next year! Go Hawks!!!!

Signed Your Royal Ambassador of Basketball, The Grand and Noble King K.C.!

By MannyT

November 9, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

Catching up.

Something funky was going on with my attempts to post while I was away. Not sure if it was what I wrote or where I wrote it from…anyhow.

Lascho BWAF evolved from WAF. If you look at Woody when he coaches, there are times when he seems to just be frozen in time with his arms folded. That got me to WAF = Woody—arms folded. Once he shaved his head, Bald WAF, i.e. BWAF was born.

Now days he seems to be channeling an anti-Sampson thing. No hair, better coaching. As long as it continues to work, I’ll gladly send shaving cream.

doc I wasn’t there on Friday. Out of town supporting youthful academic achievement. Always interesting to see what innovations are in the minds of kids.

I’ll be back in the place this week.

Funny to see the roller coaster of opinion as Marvin went from zero to hero from game 2 to 3.

mykhalc good to see you back in our blogosphere. Maybe Woody was off in the dark working harder than Solo & Zaza on his game this summer ;-) Time will tell. Meanwhile, enjoy the ride.

Hopeandexcitement reign today Doomanddismay can go away…until it returns ;-)

We owe the Thunder some shock and awe after they swiped that game here last season.

With Smith out, Woody has to adjust, so out comes the razor, shaving cream, head wax with a touch of anti-Sampson sauce.

BWAF

By Lacsho

November 9, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this

Manny

Thanx Najeh schooled me. Man you are something else.

I’m watching this Detroit vs Boston game. Man they are battling. Ai looks good in that Detroit uniform. The east has really step their game up this year. The east is no longer weak.

By Ken Strickland

November 9, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

KEN NEEDS TO STEP UP-while making an issue of my criticism of Woodson, you failed to indicate whether it was unjustified. You sound like a George Bush supporter complaining about those who are critical of his mishandling of the 2 wars and our economy. Four gms/wins won’t erase the consistently poor judgement he’s exhibited towards player development, usage and style of play over the past 2yrs.

But, I have given him credit for the way he’s coached over those 4 gms, but my jury is still out. Let’s see if he can remain consistenc in the face of adversity over the entire season.

By HB Ando

November 9, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

Haven’t had time to get over here since going to the game with Jhan Friday night.

Ok City game is about to tip off, so a long-winded assessment of Friday is both short on relevance and probably a rehash of what others have said here.

I will say this, consistent with what I saw, and what I discussed with Jhan and doc (and Ray, via phone), during the Raps game: there’s simply not a single criticism you can make about the way the Hawks are playing. And the box scores reinforce it (stats don’t always tell the story). But, man, the confidence, the execution, the intensity, is just out of this world. Other than the Lakers, and this is really hard to fathom, I don’t know that there’s another team in the NBA playing better.

Will have to see if they can maintain this playoff intensity over the long haul. And Josh’s injury will be the first opportunity for everyone to see if the added depth (which has been way better than I thought, given very little time to gel), can step up and fill in.

Bibby had his one-in-five game (he’ll shoot lights out one in every five games). Solo and Morris, playing together, were ready to go.

Much props to Woody, the staff, and the players, for “shocking the world”.

Anybody who thought they’d be THIS good has better vision than me. They’re not playing like a 45-50 win team, which is what the most optimistic fans predicted. They’re playing like a 60+ win team.

Will be interesting to see if they let their guard down against a lesser team tonight.

Who are these guys?!

By HB Ando

November 9, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this

With the Thunder starting Petro and Collison, this is a good lineup for the Hawks to patch work Zaza in the starting lineup. Very little O from Petro, and the Thunder’s front line is worse shooting than the one we’re starting.

This Durant/JJ match up should be fun to watch. I think Durant is going to get a little schooling……

By Melvin

November 9, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this

Hawks are allowing the Thunder to stay in this game with their sluggish play. They are making too many mental mistakes… Wow. Nice scoop shot by flip…

By ray

November 9, 2008 8:00 PM | Link to this

Ariose, come on now you gotta have more fight in ya than that! Heh, heh. You know how it is, you say “I told ya” and you gotta be ready for some rib poking, heh heh! Hell, I was half expecting a scalding, link-filled reply. I can’t deal with ya when you start getting all linkda-fied!

Ken needs to step up,

That’s the very question that still remains. And to be fair, I plan on taking a very close look at how Woody and the players handle themselves in times of adversity. Or when we think we’ve got one in the bag, which we may do tonight….

Clyde,

Calm what down? I’m not cheering unabatedly for Woody, but we are 4-0 so far. And our TEAM is playing good defense for the most part. Would you rather have that or 10 blocks a night?

I’m actually a bit confused, what are we arguing about? If it’s use of the bench, then we can only compare last year to this year, not just look at the first 4 games of the season. After all, I was talking about the differences so far as compared to last season.

What I see so far is that Woody is using Acie to back up Bibby, Flip to back up Bibby and JJ, Mo Evans to back up Marvin, Zaza to back up Horford. Uh….that’s four guys consistently coming off the bench. That’s not counting the minutes (though they haven’t been many) that Solo and Morris have had. Furthermore, all 4 of the first 4 guys off the bench are averaging double figures in minutes. Pachulia and Law are getting close to 15 minutes a game each. Flip and Mo are in the low 20s per game. Last year it was Childress getting 30 minutes a game. And practically everybody else was lucky to get near 10-15 minutes a game if they even got to play.

And why are you wanting me to compare how many minutes Solo and Horford have played versus how many minutes Solo and Morris have played? You mentioned Horford both times, so I’m confused.

Either way, you ignored the use of Flip and Mo, who are going to continue to get 20+ minutes per game, most likely. And with Zaza’s resurgence (which also had to do with getting enough playing time), and Acie’s development, you’ll see even more.

I expect to see Morris and Solo get more time, but when our starters are fresh, effective, and foul free, a 9 man rotation is fine with me.

Meanwhile…

We are playing like crap…

By ray

November 9, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this

Well it ain’t Seattle, but Marvin looks like he wants to play big tonight. He’s looking as aggressive as I’ve seen him.

We’re getting beaten on the boards, and missing all kinds of shots. Sluggish (as Melvin aptly put it) is the word to describe our play. Ugghhhh…

Russell Westbrook is a bonafide player (good pick by the Thunder).

Adversity? Yeah, you had to know it was coming. But playing like this against the team that projects to be the worst in the West? This is not the way to come back down to earth (though it will happen sooner or later).

By Lacsho

November 9, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this

They’ll be ok, we should pull away in the third. Smoove would’ve had a field day against this team.

We are missing to many chip shots. JJ will take over; he has a mis-match when he does the pick and role with Bibby. I look for JJ to put it on them this half.

Westbrook is nice!!!!

By ray

November 9, 2008 8:30 PM | Link to this

Marvin is hustling pretty good. Other than that, it’s looking like a one-man Joe show again, and I don’t like that at all.

By ray

November 9, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this

Robert Swift looks like somebody gave Carrot Top some growth hormone and then trapped him in a tattoo parlor for 2 weeks….

Our offense is stagnant right now.

Marvin is manning up on the boards.

Why are we going to Zaza for scoring in the post when Horford is on the floor?? Zaza is stuck (just like last year) trying to drive to the basket, and it’s taking him 10 seconds to get there…

By Lacsho

November 9, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

Randmo is the only big man with decent post moves. Big Al needs to really work on his post moves. His weak side defense is suspect I don’t think he’s register a block shot all year.

Can Bibby guard anyone?

By Melvin

November 9, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this

This game is making me nervous. Our guys look like they dont have any life in them. OKC is playing with lots of intensity. They are out hustling the Hawks. Not only are we not hustling but we are not playing smart. Way too many jump shots and one on one playing.

By gthang

November 9, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this

This is one of the sloppiest games that I have ever seen played!! The Hawks are playing down to thier competition.

3qtr of play and all will have is 53-56? 109pts after 3 qtr? Are you effing kidding me?

By ray

November 9, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this

Lacsho,

I know, ugly isn’t it? I mean….getting torched by Earl Watson??

Melvin, we are missing Josh Smith’s intensity so bad right now. This is also where you make the case that signing Flip and Mo in addition to retaining Childress would’ve helped. He’d certainly be out there fighting for rebounds and tipping shots in right now. But you only notice that when Josh Smith is out….

By Lacsho

November 9, 2008 8:49 PM | Link to this

Well I thought they were going to pull away lol.

By ray

November 9, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

Great, we just let the giant version of Carrot Top score….at least we’re not down big points. We need to find some consistency.

Speaking of which, Horford has 7 points and 6 boards in the first half, and now we’re not giving him the ball anymore? What gives? I see he blocked 4 shots tonight (you see that CLYDE?)…

By Melvin

November 9, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this

Looks like Woody has lost confidence in AC…. No playing time for him in the 2nd half so far…

By Lacsho

November 9, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this

Looking for Mo can somebody find him.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 9, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this

This is one ugly, ugly game… it really speaks to how much more talented the Hawks are than the Thunder that despite playing so poorly they are still in position to possibly win this.

By ant banks

November 9, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this

the show!! what’s the haps? i agree wit’chu smooth would have straight regulated. i gotta take back everything i ever said about smoove. you don’t miss your water ‘til the well runs dry.

we are shooting 35% from the field and 38% from bta. we had only 9 assists after 3qtrs? wtf?

we should win this game!! i am still p** how they beat us in over time last year. jchill missed a crucial ft that could have iced the game.

By ray

November 9, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this

Now we’re playing a bit better. And I’ll give a lot of that credit to Solomon Jones, who is playing his a$$ off like it’s the last game of the season.

Young fella is doing more than earning his keep. He deserves more minutes, hands down. He’s defending effectively all the way out to the perimeter, rebounding like a madman, blocking shots, contesting shots, running the floor, and hustling all the way around. Imagine what he’ll be like when he learns how to finish while absorbing contact.

Marvin seems to have gotten it going, too. I like his running hook, and think he should be using it much more often. It’ll open up his jumper, too.

JJ is still being the stud he is. Speaking of which, Durant is going to be a great player, but he is learning firsthand just how good JJ is….on BOTH sides of the floor.

By ray

November 9, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

Woody has gone back to the BWAF….Heh. Let’s see how we come out of this timeout. Down by 7 against a team that shouldn’t be within 10 points of us…

By Melvin

November 9, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

Ray, This is the 1st game where I see we miss Childress slashing and finishing on the baseline. Flip and Mo make our halfcourt offense better. Without the Joshes, we missed those finishing plays from the wing.

By hawkfan

November 9, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

melvin, you hit it right, im feeling like throwing up, why is it that we can beat the good teams but the teams that we are supposed to beat we lose to them, i think it is a psychological issue not an athletic or physical issue, if we would win, we could be up there since utah lost today, but dont know if that will happen

By hawkfan

November 9, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

melvin, you hit it right, im feeling like throwing up, why is it that we can beat the good teams but the teams that we are supposed to beat we lose to them, i think it is a psychological issue not an athletic or physical issue, if we would win, we could be up there since utah lost today, but dont know if that will happen

By Melvin

November 9, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

Ray, forget Childress. Give me Flip. 9 straight pts from Murray to tie the game at 77….

By Melvin

November 9, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this

Marvin Williams with another big 3pt. He’s playing well tonite…

By Lacsho

November 9, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this

I stand corrected Horford has 5 block shots Whoa

By Melvin

November 9, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this

hawkfan look like we are playing to the level of our competetion. and OKC is not that good…

By Melvin

November 9, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this

Another Big defensive play by Horford. 5 block shots by AL tonite. This would be a nice win if the Hawks can hold on to this 4pt lead in the last 1:30….

By rms

November 9, 2008 9:24 PM | Link to this

Cant win them all, but I would rather not lose to the Thunder or Sonics-whatever. Bad overall play. U knew they couldnt play like that for 82 straight games, they was bound to play sluggish eventually.

By Blast

November 9, 2008 9:32 PM | Link to this

Hawks 3 0 on the road!! Go Babyyyyy!!!!!!!

By rms

November 9, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this

That was an ugly win but I”ll take it! Its better than losing.

By Sautee

November 9, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this

I’ll take 77 more just like it.

By hawks_4_life

November 9, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Ugly game but the key and important stat is the “W”

By hawks_4_life

November 9, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Ugly game but the key and important stat is the “W”

By Harry Hawk

November 9, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

Flip Murray has been a stone cold assassin so far.

Dude kept this team in the ballgame tonight. Gotta love that kind of production off the bench.

All in all, 5-0 is nice. For a team that couldn’t do anything on the road last year, games like this (you know, where you actually believe that the team is going to pull it out) are kind of refreshing.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 9, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

Nice to get the win, but they are gonna have to step it up to keep this streak going against the Bulls on Tuesday. Derrick Rose is the truth and is not gonna have any problem getting to the rim against our Josh Smith-less defense.

By The Hawkster

November 9, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this

Way to come back Hawks! It was a struggle but good teams beat bad times even when they have an off night. I hate it when Joe holds the ball and everyone stands and watches. Makes me nervous! We are better than that now! Great d by Horford. Joe locked Durant down. Acie has to get his confidence up and take it to the rim! I want to see him play well

By ray

November 9, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

Ugly, ugly win but a win it is. Ironic that the first win of the season that I say we truly “escaped” with also comes against a team we should have had no problem beating.

JJ was masterful, but missed a ton of shots, which was evidence of the same ol’ JJ ISO offense. The only difference this time was Flip Murray, who helped take control in the 4th quarter.

Marvin played a pretty good game. I would like to see more games like this from him, and the fact is…with Josh out, we’ll need this from him. 16 an 7? Yeah, I’ll take that, and more.

Horford should have gotten the ball more. At least he ended up with 12 boards and 5 blocked shots to go with his 8 points. That should make even Clyde happy for a few minutes…

Solo earned his playing time. Give him more. He really showed up well, and will get better if given more time. I do think Randolph Morris should have gotten some time tonight too, especially with Zaza struggling with foul trouble. Morris is an offensive source we need to tap, and I have little doubt that he could’ve provided some of that tonight.

I don’t have too much to say about Bibby.

By The Hawkster

November 9, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this

Bibby is still trying to find his way it seems. Like giving the ball to Joe and letting him bring it up. BE the point Bibby!

By ray

November 9, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this

Melvin, make no mistake, I don’t want Childress instead of Flip, no way. Just that we were getting very few effective offensive rebounds and finishes around the basket. With Smith out, you miss the domination he brings to the court, so you need more hustle guys. Childress would’ve been one more…

No doubt Flip is our lifesaver…our microwaved meal…

By Nookah

November 9, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this

Guys, I can’t believe the content of some of the “during game” comments. They are playing on the road and against a team which for some reason gives us problems. Remember last year? However, look at the bright side, the Hawks are learning to win, it is becoming contagious.

Enjoy the win and remember this is the NBA. Any given team can be competitive on any given night. What we are happy about here is that we did it (1) on the road; (2) without the “Energizer Bunny” .

My only comment is………… 5-0 baby!!!!

Go Hawks!!!!

Nuff respect!!!!

By mykhalc

November 9, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this

DAMN!! another two-fer!!!

WOODSON had that look startin’ to creep back onto his face tho!!!LOL not a good sign!!!

GO HAWKS!!! GO FALCONS!!!

By HB Ando

November 9, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this

Couple of comments heard, here (to paraphrase): why do we lose when we’re not supposed to, and “it says a lot that we’re better, playing this bad, and still in this game”.

I think that we’ve transitioned from the team that “wins”, rather than “loses”, when we’re not supposed to. These ARE the types of games we used to lose. Typically after beating a team like the Spurs.

Watching this game, I was struck by the feeling that OKC is the team that we have been in the previous years: beating a better team, for most of the game, at home, only to shrink up in the fourth quarter and give a winnable game away.

And, prior to this year, based on our annual W-L record, we haven’t been the better team, playing down to our competition. We’ve been the bottom-feeder, losing games we shouldn’t, and, occasionally, beating a better team, that gave us hope for the future.

I’m not a big fan of drawing macro conclusions from one, or a few, games. But, the Hawks are not the same team without Josh. He truly is this decade’s ‘Matrix’. And he’s better than the AK version, but still working his way towards the Marion version of the last few years.

Bibby: 14 points, 4 dimes and a steal.

There’s simply no way this guy is going to justify $15.5 million. And if the Hawks were owned by the Dolan’s, he wouldn’t have to. But this is the ASG. And, Sam’s opinion not withstanding, he’s gone, a casualty of a limited payroll capacity.

And I’m not afraid to say this, and stand behind it (and if you are watching every game, I simply don’t know how you can disagree): Flip Murray is a better player, right now, right here, than Mike Bibby.

The NBA is all about pedigree, and contract. But guys get better, and worse, every single year. And Flip Murray is a guy who is peaking, after years of providing instant offense, while lacking the protection of a big contract, for the Sonics (behind Ray Allen), and the Pistons (behind Rip and Billups).

But he’s here now, and he makes 10% of what Bibby makes. And he’s better than Bibby.

Right here.

Right now (sorry if I sound like a Van Hagar song).

Marvin looks solid. But he’s still, after 3+ years, not as good as the guy he was drafted to replace, Al Harrington (and my very first blog post, here, referenced my curiosity that we had passed on the next great PG, in Paul, to draft a guy who’s upside seemed to be Harrington’s actual ability, at that time).

16 points, 7 boards, no dimes, and a couple of steals. Back when Billy passed on Paul, this was a slow night for Harrington. And he still doesn’t have Harrington’s post game.

Steve T, you’re still as clueless as ever. You really think this team validates Billy’s failure to draft both Paul and Roy (how great did those two look, playing together, for the Western Conference, in last years’ All-Star game)?

Marvin and Shelden, rather than Paul and Roy? Seriously?

I think some folks, here, are consuming far freakier stuff than kool-aid.

Winning games that they could have easily lost? That’s a sign that these Hawks are to be taken seriously (as long as the intensity level is maintained).

And for anybody, anywhere in the country, who doesn’t believe that Joe Johnson is truly one of the elite players/scorers, in the NBA, how many games are you fools actually watching? Dude is unstoppable, and can get his shot whenever, and wherever, he wants to.

To those who remember those initial tirades, yes he was worth Diaw and two firsts. But that was never the point, as Billy could have had him for the mere price of his free-agent contract (talk about being bluffed).

So Diaw was never going to get along with Woody. It still would have been nice (and absolutely realistic) if we had the eventual picks we gave up (Rondo and Robin Lopez).

But it’s neither here nor there.

5 and OHHHHH.

It’s a marathon, not a sprint. But this is the way you’d want to start any race………..

By HB Ando

November 9, 2008 10:20 PM | Link to this

Ray, got hung up on baby duty. If you get this, and are still up, call the mobile……

By HB Ando

November 9, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this

Man, watching Dominique’s ‘Spotlight’, and just an updated reminder that the league’s failure to put him on the NBA’s Top-50 of all-time is arguably the league’s greatest snub.

How do you leave one of the most dominant scorers of all time off that team (Scotty Pippen, the guy who quit on the Bulls because Phil drew up a play for Kukoc????)?

At least they got it right when they elected him to the Hall of Fame.

By mykhalc

November 9, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

observations…for those questionin’ BIBBY or anybody else for that matter, the fact is there are not enough ‘consistent’ touches for anybody other that JJ right now IMHO.

BIBBY lit it up last game ‘cause he saw the ball consistently, looked for his shot. even JOE said he was lookin’ for him constantly ‘cause he was on fire. and BIBBY had a good shootin’ 1st qtr this game.

JJ will ALWAYS have the ball in his hands…PERIOD!!! and FLIP is the only other player that can turn it on regardless of his number of touches. in fact, he ‘might’ be better than JJ in that regard. IOW, he can probably produce the most with the least number of touches. everyone else needs ‘volume’!!!

and until the BRAINLESS WONDER can actually install a ‘real’ offense, all players except JJ and FLIP will be at the mercy of how often they actually get touches and looks IMHO!!!

WOODSON has made ‘some’ improvements but not enough for him to not have that usual look on his face. this team is better, no doubt. it has better players but i DO NOT see a better nor different offense than last year. and that leads me right back to what i’ve been sayin’ for 2+ yrs now!!!

still tho…GO HAWKS!!!

By new jersey faithful

November 9, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this

Does anybody know if the High Flying Hawks will be on national tv at any point this season?????

By hansoal

November 9, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

I know it’s still early in the year, and there is still much to play, but it’s nice to take joy in a good start! Anyone realize if the Lakers lose tonight, we would be the only undefeated team in the NBA?!

By Nel

November 9, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this

Ken Thanks for your reply:

“NEL-I don’t know why CLYDE feels the way he does about Horford. I do know some people are impressed by the spectacular while others prefer fundamentals. Horford’s not as athletic as Josh, but he’s more maturity, more leadership ability and is far more fundamentally sound. These are attributes that don’t show up on stat sheets, but they definitely have a positive impact on the overall team. Horford is an acquired taste and is not the type of individual player that fills seats, like Josh Smith. The Hawks are very fortunate that they benefit from having both.“

*Ray, Doesn’t matter how good Horford is(third best player of our team) or plays CLYDE will never stopped hating him. 5 blocks tonite nahhh… Remember that for him S Williams on the bench of the NJ Nets is better than Al.

Another good win tonite!

Go Hawks!!

By richbrave

November 9, 2008 11:02 PM | Link to this

It’s not just me, HAWKS fans. I can be pretty critical of pro sports teams. When you’re on the downside of your second bypass, you begin to feel the constraint of time, and your own personal patience.

You saw my impatience with the WIZARD’S ownership in all matters ARENAS. I said then JAMISON and ARENAS were no great loss with the attitude expressed by AGENT ZERO. He certainly lived down to that moniker with the “I’m holding my breath” throw-down to POLLIN. My assessment must be catching. Not only in the 111 million contract missing by his own hand, but JAMISON is off to a lousy start to the season.

Now HOOPSWORLD weighs in with their take on all things WIZARDS. “It’s amazing how patient the Washington Wizards have been. Whether it’s ownership[POLLIN], management[GRUNFELD], or coaching staff[JORDAN], the Wizards organization has been fairly quiet as they wait for the day when all of their high-dollar stars finally take the court together.

For the third season in a row we have the same storyline dominating pre-season predictions for the Wizards:

“If this team can ever get healthy they could be the best team in the Eastern Conference.”

Last season Antawn Jamison was the only star consistently healthy for the Wizards. Caron Butler appeared in only 58 games, while Gilbert Arenas missed all but 13 games of the season. In 2006-07, Arenas actually led the Big Three with 74 games played, while Jamison logged 70 and Butler 63. Clearly those numbers are headed in the wrong direction, and it’s finally starting to get to head coach Eddie Jordan.

“That was not NBA basketball out there, it’s as simple as that,” Jordan said after his team coughed up an overtime loss to the Milwaukee Bucks on Wednesday night. “There were no NBA plays being made out there. We addressed them tonight in the locker room, so I’m going to put a careful eye on our personnel and what we’re doing out there. I think the trend is telling me something. I’m trying to be loyal to NBA vets and the continuity theme but I’m growing very impatient with it.”

What we’re starting to see, unfortunately, is the [FINAL STAGES OF THE WASHINGTON WIZARDS AS CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED]. Even if you’re not a Wizards fan you have to feel for their predicament. You go out and get amazing talent, lock them up long-term, and then never get a chance to see them play together when the games matter most.

Eddie Jordan and his team have been amazingly patient with the injury process, but at some point you get tired of excuses and start making changes that will put ‘W’s on the board. It sounds like the Wizards are just about there.”

Imagine the ASG parking 140 million on the bench and going with the second string. You should all be familiar with the term 0-5. Your patience has since been rewarded by ATLANTA’s start this season. Patience and its commenserate time-frame I don’t have. Thus, although not a long-term, hard-core committed fan of the HAWKS, at least I can appreciate and revel in excellent NBA basketball when I see it. That will be on the 19th of this month for starters. GO HAWKS.

At least the WIZARDS have started over in the correct places: #1 and #5 with McGEE and YOUNG.

By Raptors fan in TO

November 9, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

Damn, you guys are for real AGAIN this year. Looks like it is going to be a wild season in the east. But I am at least glad it is you guys, if any of you remember me from last season.

Peace

By Ariose

November 9, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this

I’m SICK of Zaza…there I said it. I’ve been biting my tounge but the guy is just not athletic….if he get’s beat the only thing he can do is foul…..he has no length and not lift……….Solo owned him tonight…….and i’m sure Randolph is/will be a better version of Zaza……….I think Sund should tade him now.

Randolph defenetly should have played in this game. Zaza really stunk it up by being a useless fouling(non-defensive) machine tonight. Radolph/Solo, Horford/Solo, Or Horford/Randolph eiither way……Woody played Marvin at the PF spot a lot during this game…….OKC got more than half of their points in the paint……..THINK WOODY!!……damn…

Acie needs to get off his arse and show us something………..I wonder if we could trade him for kyle Lowry or J-Crit while he still has some value left(with zaza or a 2nd roud pick if needed)…he’s scared out there………Russel Westbrook attacked the rack the way Acie should……at least Salim wasn’t scared, that angers me more than anything…..his defense is fine but I wish he would at least TRY to put some pressure on the defense by driving to the basket……..he’s absolutely useless right now………….and this can’t be blamed on woody anymore, everyone else is taking advantage of the minuets they’re being given execpt him…….his minutes should have been given to Evans(even though he wa in foul trouble) tonight.

Ando, If you haven’t noticed Flip isn’t a natural Point………he plays just like Iverson…….drive to the basket, get bottled up and then dish it when you’ve run out of options….that’s the only time Flip is looking to assist. I love flip………..exactly where he is, in the “Full-Time scoring” role everyone knows that’s when he’s at his best, and turning him into a part-time facilitator would be doing flip and this team a dis-service(I’m sure you noticed that mike was on the floor WITH Murray in crunch time….). Flip is not a better shooter than mike Bibby and defenetly not a better point guard than mike……nuff Said. Look I understand your point 15mill OK but we’re winning………and that cures all………especially if the house is packed for all of the home games…….Did you notice how the home crowds got bigger once we acquired Bibby? I did…..

~Sir Links A Lot~

By preston

November 9, 2008 11:07 PM | Link to this

Do any body else here get that sinking feeling that Acie Law will become the new Salim of this team…..b/c as long as Flip Murray performs at the level that he is playing Acie’s playing time will get less and less.

By Ken Strickland

November 9, 2008 11:11 PM | Link to this

So far, our best big man has been Solo. He’s playing JSmoove type DEF and rebounding his butt off on both ends. He goes after every shot and rebound. When his conditioning improves, he’ll be even better.

I have one criticism of the moves made by Woodson. With our OFF struggling, both inside and out, why didn’t he put Morris in to give us some scoring around the basket? The way they were pressuring us outside, he could have done a lot of damage. Otherwise, he did a good job, it was a good win and it revealed the level of maturity and depth this team has acquired.

By Ariose

November 9, 2008 11:12 PM | Link to this

Ray, lol, I would but i’m under the weather so i’ve been trying to limit myself lol(baisiacally, I can’t sit in a chair for too long without wanting to lay back down lol). Don’t worry, i’ll be back to my old self in not time hehehe…..

~Sir Links A Lot~

By mykhalc

November 9, 2008 11:16 PM | Link to this

i’m a BIBBY fan but the fact is the cat has earned to be where he’s at salary-wise!!! and i ain’t gonna hate on him ‘cause of his salary and it belongin’ to the HAWKS!!!

could somethin’ else be done with his salary?? no doubt!! would we have a better team??? not necessarily!!! i like exactly what we got RIGHT NOW!! and i’m not includin’ WOODSON in that statement!!!

we fans have suffered looooooong enough!!! and even the ONE THING i would change regardless, i have to hesistate on in the light of a 5 - 0 start!!!

By mykhalc

November 9, 2008 11:23 PM | Link to this

preston, i feel what ya sayin’ man. but ACIE still has a chance in that FLIP is really JJ’s sub…right now. so IF ACIE can produce when he does give BIBBY a break then he can solidify his minutes. if he doesn’t then FLIP will get mins for BIBBY and JJ, as he did tonite.

i also get that MO and WOODSON are not of like minds!!! lucky MO!!!LOL

By HB Ando

November 9, 2008 11:31 PM | Link to this

Ariose, two points: one, crowds got bigger because we became a realistic playoff contender (and then actually slid in); second, if there’s one thing we’ve learned about JJ, it’s that he can shift between the one and the two.

So Murray doesn’t have to be a pure point, when he’s playing with a two that can average between 5-7 dimes.

Tonight, Bibby was 13 and 4, and Murray was 14 and 3.

In Bibby’s last 7 seasons in Sacramento, he only surpassed 5.4 assists in one season. So don’t make him out to be a classic, pass-first, point guard.

He’s not.

So, since you CAN’T dismiss the impact of a $15.5 million salary, on a franchise with a history of limited payroll funding, I have to challenge your opinion that Bibby is either necessary, or long for this town.

As a point of reference, going into this evening’s game, Bibby, who’s average draft slot, on ESPN live fantasy drafts, for PG’s, was 17th, is actually the 21st ranked PG in fantasy hoops. Now, again, I know that there’s a difference between fantasy and reality, but you’d have to reach pretty hard to suggest that a guy who’s salary is top-20 in the NBA, but who’s production, at his position, makes him borderline top-20, AT HIS POSITION, is justifiable.

Look, bro, you cut your teeth, here, with a hard-on for Salim’s value. His reality fell far short of your support. Don’t make Bibby your next Salim.

Dude is averaging 14 points and a misleading 5.6 dimes (4 games he’s had 4 assists, and one, he’s had 12; supporting my “one in five” theory of Bibby ‘big games’). Please tell me another player, in the NBA, who’s justifying a similar range of salary for less production (and I don’t mean folks who are bigger busts, like Marbury or Francis). The fact that there are a couple of worse contracts out there doesn’t mean that Bibby’s isn’t bad.

At the end of the day, don’t worry about how I feel. If the ASG trades Bibby, despite this tremendous, early season start, then their decision speaks for itself, and simply validates the logic I’ve been highlighting since we lost to the Celtics last April.

I’m not hating on Bibby. I’m continuing to document a pretty obvious incongruity between his numbers and his salary, in the context of an ownership group who appears to lack the cash resources to cover, for the full season, it’s current, projected payroll.

If I’m wrong, revel in my stupidity. But if I’m right, give credit where credit is due.

This issue is money, not production. And should they trade him, while winning at a level not seen in decades, then the logic should be pretty obvious.

By Hawks Fan In New Orleans

November 9, 2008 11:32 PM | Link to this

The played down to their competition like I suspected they would be its great to see them eeek out a win - this would have been a loss in previous years! By the end of the night - we may very well be the only undefeated team!!! 5-0 lets roll into Chicago

By MannyT

November 9, 2008 11:37 PM | Link to this

mykhalc Woody is getting better. Most likely because he is more comfortable with the experienced bench. I AM NOT saying he’s the man, but he is getting better. Sure we still have a quarter of mystery in most games, but the Hawks seem better able to handle the bad quarter.

I’d rather have Woody than Larry Brown right now. (Never thought I’d type something like that. Keyboard about to start changing colors and spewing slime!)

…and Woody does have a new play for the 4th quarter. ISO Joe used to be just get out of the way. Now there is a spot up at the 3pt line option for Flip, Mo, & sometimes Marvin.

I crack up when I see all these folks change Chills AND others on the bench to Chills OR other players on the bench. Flip & Mo do a fine job off the bench. Even if you didn’t want to add Chills to the roster at the MLE, there was an opportunity to sign & trade him for another asset.

SteveT You are the man regardless of Ando’s BK venom. Not that BK is the greatest, but he did a decent job of getting the core this team together. If you want to give him a relative grade on his weaker area (draft) compare his to the folks that held the job just before and after him. Babcock couldn’t get a decent draft at a brewery. Sund may get better, but you saw much of his draft work on display tonight. The OKC draft board during his tenure is not special.

Like I heard about the Falcons today, there is no strength of schedule in the pros, a win is a win.

Without Josh, it’s a good win.

BWAF

By Ariose

November 9, 2008 11:39 PM | Link to this

Ray, I’m glad I wasn’t the only person to notice that Robert Swift looked like the NBA’s version of Carrot top hehehe!!

BTW, didn’t Carrot Top play in one of those Celeberty All-Star games??

Raptors fan in TO, Good to hear from you. Drop by more often……I don’t mind talkin Raptors hoops every once and awihle lol.

mykhalc, Yeah, every game I notice that MO and Woodsen exchange words…..Hopefully it’s water under the bridge. We really need him……he needs to stop arguin’ when woody critiques his mistakes and just shake his head in agreement and move on….

~Sir Links A Lot~

By preston

November 9, 2008 11:48 PM | Link to this

Mykahlc……now would we be surprised to see Woody NOT get into an altercation with any of his players…Mo Evans is just the latest and greatest, next week it will probaly be Flip….or.lol….more than likey Acie.

By richbrave

November 10, 2008 12:05 AM | Link to this

ARIOSE:

OMG. I thought that’s what NBA guards were supposed to do. Play like IVERSON as you described it. That’s all I’ve seen from guard play here in D.C. Shoot outside, drive to the rim, or dish only when necessary. Oh, and don’t forget, create a turnover - often. Pass; assist; there was one.? BUTLER gives all the assists from the #3 position.

By Samuel

November 10, 2008 12:05 AM | Link to this

Ando,

Please, no more novels. We’re sick of them. You have been reduced to one measly FIXATION now. “Get rid of Mike Bibby.”

Don’t you get it? We’re 5-0.

By Ariose

November 10, 2008 12:31 AM | Link to this

Ando, I never said Bibby was an all-world PG, what I DID say was that Flip Murray only looks to pass when he gets bottled up in the lane(Iverson-esque). The same can’t be said for Bibby who does give the occasional unselfish “I’m not looking to score on this play” assist. Iverson averaged more assists than Billups last season, does that make AI the PG???

Look regardless of fantay implications (Which I really don’t care about…WTF?) as far as Plus/Minus is concerned Bibby has been in the plus range for every one of these wins so far, and you can actually see his contributions on the court…..unlike some people(I didn’t think Marvin even broke double figures this game).

Bibby may or may not be “necessary” but I can tell you who we couldn’t win without right now….Mike Bibby. I tell you whose taking up space right now….Acie Law……and to this day, acie hasn’t shown himself to be any better than…..you guessed it, Salim Stoudamire….hard-on(that was a good one…..low blow….but nice…) or not, check the stats heh.

You want to know why i’m not concerned with the 15mill……it’s because of what Rick Sund said a couple of months back when asked about Bibby and Marvin……he said just wait and let it play out. He said that winning has a way of answering problems. Bibby said it himself…….we win, he stays. We loose he might be gone…..we certainly don’t want to trade for a non-expiring contract when we have Al, JJ, and Marvin needing to get paid….and we certainly don’t want to trade for a less-talented expiring contract, right???

Look, I have no problem biting the bullet whenever i’m wrong, and neither do you….so you say…..but we’re winning right now and like Rick said……….

Also, Mike Bibby becoming my next salim? In what respect? Was Salim Overpaid?, did Salim even see the court? was Salim drafted 2nd overall? Did salim ever Average 21ppg? Did salim Win a title at Arizona? Has salim started EVEY GAME of his Career? Has Salim been to the WCF? Has Salim ever been given a Green light? Has Salim ever been allowed to play through Injuries? Was Salim overrated? Has Salim ever been able to make mistakes and say on the court despite his defeciancies? Has anyone ever caterd to Salims style of play? Did anyone make excuses for salim? Was salim ever given a fair Shot? HELL NO…….so how are they related Ando? We all see Bibby’s contributions to the team and Woodson wouldn’t dare Bench that guy regardless if his heel was broken or he just got finished cussing woody out….nuff said.

Shoot, i’m probably one of salim’s only supporters on this blog, Bibby’s got millions around the world.

The dude get’s Buckets and regardlesss of what you spin we wouldn’t have gotten to the playoffs without his injured a$$ last season. Now he’s healthy, he’s had a full training camp to get acclimated and we’re 5-0…….what’s your arguement? 15mill….we’re 5-0…..and unlike Salim, this guy actually plays so we can acually judge his contributions to this team effectively…..and since he’s been here, they’ve been positive.

Look if i’m on a team getting paid 15mill and we’re undefeated i’m not complaining…..he’ll get a smaller deal at the end of the season and we can all be happy, but until the we’re still 5-0….

Go check Mike Millers assist total for tonight(6) and you’ll know why Bibby didn’t average a lot of assists. Vlade,C-Webb, and Brad Miller. Christie dished em too….The system wasn’t set up for him to do that in sac-tow…..i’ve addressed this already though….

~SalimFan Sit Links A Lot~

By HB Ando

November 10, 2008 12:33 AM | Link to this

Manny, really? I have so much regard for your balanced approach to this forum, on a day-to-day basis, that I’m unable to reconcile my perception of you and your statement that Steve T is the man. Billy’s grade simply cannot have anything to do with his predecessors. He can only be judged on his decisions, relative to both the pre-draft assessments, and his choices for this team, compared to what they could have/should have been.

Babcock’s performance simply cannot be a benchmark for Billy. Billy passed on not one, but two, franchise point guards (yet I’ve never fixated my “venom” on Deron Williams, because I genuinely didn’t call for that pick, and I would be disingenuous to suggest that I had). Marvin has done nothing to defend Billy’s decision to pass on Paul, when the franchise was desperate for a long-term solution at that position.

And despite the fact that Paul is that much better than Roy, and the point that Roy and JJ play a very similar game, Billy’s decision to pass on Roy, Foye and Gay, to take a player that NO ONE ELSE, in the league, thought worthy of the 5th overall pick, in Shelden, is, and always will be, inexcusable.

If you want to get down to brass tacks, the only reason the Hawks, and Billy, were in a position to keep the Horford pick, beyond the luck that allowed us to move from 4, to 3, which saved us from giving that pick to the Suns, was because Billy’s rebuilding plan was SO unsuccessful that we were still a high lottery team.

Does anyone really believe that when Billy set up the JJ trade, and made the ‘07 pick top-3 protected, that he actually EXPECTED the Hawks to be in the mix for another top-4 pick?

Please.

Billy literally failed his way to keeping, and making, the Horford pick. There’s no other way to analyze it.

He missed two PG’s, who are, and will continue to be, all-stars, if not hall-of-famers, to take Marvin, who still has developed into the player that Harrington was/is. He passed on 2 more stars, in Roy and Gay, and a possible third, in Foye, to take a guy that he threw in, with 3 other contracts, to get Bibby.

He only had the opportunity to draft Horford because his roster couldn’t have failed much worse.

He also signed a perpetually injured PG, who’s career had been largely that of a back up, for $27 million, after publicly stating, on the AJC, that he laughed at public opinion that called for him to address the PG position.

I cannot stand by, silently, and let Billy’s legacy be re-invented, as validated by this current teams’ start.

As much heat as Woody has taken, and time will tell if it’s rightful or wrongful, there’s a reason that the ASG let Billy go, and made a decision that was largely questioned by the fan base, in extending Woody.

Give the players credit. Give Woody credit.

But Billy? Please…………

By Ariose

November 10, 2008 12:33 AM | Link to this

That’s exactly what i’m sayin’ Samuel……some people just prefer river water to kool-aid…..

~Sir Links A Lot~

By mykhalc

November 10, 2008 12:42 AM | Link to this

Ariose aka SalimFan, i thought you weren’t feelin’ too good???!!!! you seem well to me!!!LOL PREACH!!!!!

By Ariose

November 10, 2008 12:49 AM | Link to this

Ando, looks like you didn’t catch the Mike Bibby quote I posted two blogs ago…..we here it is again.

“I’m not going to go out there and try and be the biggest scorer,” explained Bibby. “It’s a contract year for me. A lot of people feel, you know, (in a) contract year, they’re going to go out there and put up a lot of numbers. I’m going to do what it takes for this team to win. If it’s defense, passing, I’m going to do what it takes for this team to win.”

…..from HoopsWorld

He just answred your question to why he’s not putting up Marbuy numbers(funn causethat guy’s sucking up pine Big Time) Steve Francis Too……..If those guys plaed team-Ball they probably wouldn’t be in their current situations…

Ando. one more thing,……….we’re sill 5-0…..

~Sir Links A Lot~

By HB Ando

November 10, 2008 12:52 AM | Link to this

Sam, do you really have so little as to pretend that you represent everyone else?

“We’re?”

I can think of a lot of people, on this blog, who are very certain that you don’t speak for them (in fact I’m not sure there’s a single person who would proxy you to speak on their behalf, in general).

Feel free to your opinion, but don’t pretend you speak for anyone else here.

To clarify: I am not calling for the Hawks to get rid of Mike Bibby.

I am simply predicting they will.

If you are too thick to discern the difference, then, as I have pondered before, it’s a damn shame that you are responsible for teaching other people’s children.

And what components of my accolades, for the teams’ early season performance (and it is very early), suggest I don’t get it?

Maybe you don’t get it, and it’s confusing you’re simple mind.

I couldn’t be happier about the Hawks fast start, as I’ve said in every submission since the beginning of the season. So if you don’t have anything more compelling to add to the blog, than to cling to the inaccurate portrayal of me as some kind of Hawks hater, then the pot becomes the kettle, as folks like you, who pretend I’m more interested in being right than seeing the Hawks succeed, actually seem more interested in fixating (FIXATION) on me being wrong, than enjoying how well the Hawks are playing.

So while you revel in that ironic pettiness, I’m going to keep watching the Hawks, offering up my observations (no different than anyone else who comes here to do the same), and taking this season one game at a time.

I’ll ‘novel’ as much as I want to. This is America.

Sam, please find a new line of work. Since you fail to comprehend my positive feedback, what I GET is that people like you shouldn’t be teaching anyone’s children.

By HB Ando

November 10, 2008 12:57 AM | Link to this

Ariose, see my post to Sam…….

And then you, and Sam, and anyone else, find anything I’ve posted, since the regular season tipped off, that suggests that I’m not thrilled about the Hawks being 5-0.

Anything……

By Ariose

November 10, 2008 1:04 AM | Link to this

Ando, I know…..i’m just sayin’ that right now Bibby is a positive asset, even with that 15mill that he can’t live up to hanging over his head.

But Acie Law(4mill)? He needs help, I say we trade Him, Speedy(6mill) and Zaza(6mill) after what I saw tonight…….against OKC scrubs no doubt……

~Sir Links A Lot~

By HB Ando

November 10, 2008 1:13 AM | Link to this

And one last thing for the both of you, Sam and Ariose: why are both of you having such a hard time differentiating between the fact that I believe the ASG will trade Bibby, and the idea that I think they should?

I don’t care if they do. I just think they will. Is that too complicated of a concept for the two of you?

Any response, from either of you, that continues to misinterpret the very obvious difference, in those two positions, is either ignorant or grounded in a personal agenda.

How hard is it to separate “I think Bibby’s contract will lead to him being traded” from, “I think Bibby should be traded”?

Do I need to type slower, or does this clarify a pretty basic, and simple, perspective, for the two of you?

Congrats, again, to the Hawks, on being 5 and ohhhhhh……….

Can’t believe I had to say it twice tonight.

By Ariose

November 10, 2008 1:13 AM | Link to this

We can’t afford to let Bibby go with those guys (specifically Acie) uderacheiving so badly…..

~Sir Links A Lot~

By mykhalc

November 10, 2008 1:14 AM | Link to this

my take…SOLO moves up depth chart!!! don’t look in the rearview ZAZA. you won’t like what you see!!!LOL

thought RMORRIS shoulda gotten some burn tonite too. the cat is pretty smooth around the basket…nice touch. give him some burn WOODSON!!!

By HB Ando

November 10, 2008 1:15 AM | Link to this

Ariose, we’re cool. I’m calling it a night. Have a good one, bro…….

5 and ohhhhhhh!

That doesn’t even require kool-aid!

By mykhalc

November 10, 2008 1:26 AM | Link to this

if WOODSON actually had some plays in his book for his PGs to run then their numbers WOULD look better. WOODSON’s ‘no offense’ offense is perfect for JJ, FLIP, and any other player that can get his own shot off…PERIOD!!! WOODSON still $ucks!!! but i will admit he’s usin’ his bench better than last year…which of course does NOT take much to improve upon!!!

By Ariose

November 10, 2008 1:50 AM | Link to this

Ando, it’s all good, besides debates are that much better when we’re 5-0!!!

mykhalc, I promise I don’t feel good lol. I thinks it’ tha win treak that’s givin me energy lol..

~SalimFan Sir Links A Lot~

By Sautee

November 10, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

new blog up

By Bibbys#1Fan

November 10, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

For those fans who are continually calling for Mike Bibbys head, all you have to do is go back to the Hornets game and the Toronto game where Bibby was gunning threes at will. I think he made like five or six in a row in both of those games. I know in the Toronto game Bibby had 19 points at HALFTIME and was just warming up when he just decided to cruise for the remainder of the game and let others get involved. What you all saw was the REAL Mike Bibby in both of those games. Again, when Mike Bibby can score 19 points by halftime, what you have seen was the real Mike Bibby. Heres a guy who is capable of scoring 40-50 points in a single game. That is who Mike Bibby is. This is how he played when he was with the Sacramento Kings and this is how he will continue to play throughout the remainder of his career. Bibby ALSO had over 10 assists in the Toronto game and the Hornets game. Bibby is simply one of the best point guards in the game today and the Hawks are extremely lucky to have him. Bibby will make the players around him look much better and will get EVERYONE involved for an outstanding collective team effort. Notice how the Hawks last year vastly improved with the addition of Mike Bibby. Also, notice that the Hawks were able to play Boston even in the playoffs last year because they had Mike Bibby on their side. Always remember that an NBA team with Mike Bibby on it is a vastly improved team because of that. I am probably Bibbys #1 fan because I saw what he did with the Sacramento Kings, a team in 2002 that SHOULD have won a championship, had it not been for an incredibly lucky shot by Robert Horry.

By GoldenVulture

November 10, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

Well folks, it looks like the Hawks didnt need Josh Childress after all. They are 5-0 WITHOUT HIM and may stay undefeated all year without him. Josh Childress was expendable because we couldnt give him quality minutes and his talents were wasting away on the bench. So Greece decided they could use him better than here in the states. Well, the Hawks are back and its nice to see ex-hawks Dominique on the broadcasts, with Stinger (Mike Glenn) and ex-hawk Steve Smith. These guys have been HUGE for the Hawks in the past when they were players and I sincerely hope that the Hawks get to finals soon so that everyone will benefit from the Hawks having a great team. Go Hawks!

By Ken Strickland

November 10, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

Just for the record, I also believe Bibby might be traded before the trade deadline. If the team continues to win and improve, and we continue getting max production from Murray and Acie improves, why not. Acie gives us much more speed, quickness and DEF than Bibby. Murray gives us a combination of Acie’s penetrating ability and Bibby’s shooting.

The way Solo’s playing, and if Morris improves upon his play against Ok, we might also see Zaza traded before the deadline. The two of them represent a 20M savings. The right trade with the right team for the right player(s) could make us younger, quicker, more athletic and better overall, especially on DEF.

But right now, I couldn’t care less what happens at the trade deadline, because we’re playing some serious basketball with what we have.