Hawks

By Melvin

November 3, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Sekou, I have drink my cup of Kool-Aid. I think this team is much improve over last year. I predicted that they would win their 1st two games. Now here comes their biggest test of this young season,trying to beat a west conf powerhouse (New Orleans). I thought I read somewhere that Peja and Chandler will miss this game. We to take advantage them in the paint with the absence of Tyson. Not sure if the absence of Peja will hurt them that much b/c Posey has filled in well for them.

By Sautee

November 3, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

Samuel

In the last blog you said this about your daughter:

Hopefully,I can win the lottery and continue to pay for all the training it will take to get her to the level we believe she is capable of going. We’re shooting for Bela Karolyi’s camp this year and it aint cheap.

Maybe you should double down those Ando bets? ;-)

By LL Cool Scott

November 3, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

Zaza Pachulia is a golden god.

By Sautee

November 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

Posted this on the last blog, but it’s good fodder for discussion, so I’ll repeat it here:

The lineup that seemed the most effective on Saturday night against the 76ers was with Flip at the 2 and JJ at the 3. (with the other starters)

Depending on who we’re playing, I can see that lineup being more potent than JJ at the 2 and Marvin or Mo at the 3.

Whachyall think?

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

Amen Sekou, Amen…..

Sekou, let us know how Woody plans to deal with New Orleans defensivley.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

They say the Tyson Chandler could be ready for the game on Wednesday buy we’ll see, It doesn’t really matter though…..our Defense will dteremine weather we win or not.

Look for Marvin to have a huge game. He Should have a chip on his shoulder from all of that Draft Bust tallk……Hopefully he can prove the doubters wrong on wendesday.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ryder

November 3, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

Hey Sekou,

Great write up. Not to go all tooting my own horn, but I saw this coming, and here’s why:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/75141-are-the-hawks-ready-to-take-flight

This is why it’s so important for we fans to understand that there was a plan in place, and why it’s so important to have veterans who can keep everyone going when they hit rough patches during the season.

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

If the Hawks really want to make a statemnt to the rest of the leauge they will go 7-0 like I said and Beat New Orleans, Toronto, OKC, and Chicago next…

By Melvin

November 3, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

Sautee,I think that’s our strongest offensive lineup. We have three guys (Bibby, JJ & Flip) on the court that could shoot the 3pt and break the defense down off the dribble. Also, it spreads the floor allowing more spacing in the paint for Horford and Josh to work one on one. On most nites, they (AL&Josh) will have the quickiest advantage against their opponent.

By James Banks

November 3, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Pleasantly surprising comeback—a true sign of maturity. The slow start may, ironically, be a result of playing too fast. However, there might be a different reason. Consider the fact that the team had a fast start against Orlando with Evans in the starting line-up and started slowly when Williams started against Philly.

We know that Woodson preaches emphasizes team defense and Evans is his best perimeter defensive player. We also know that Johnson and Bibby are the two primary offensive options while Horford is the primary low post offensive option and Josh Smith can get his offense in “off-the-ball” ways like steals and rebounds along with the occasional offensive foray. Since there is only one basketball and since Evans’ forte is defense and with the occasional 3 on offense, his skill set might fit the starting line-up better than Williams.

Although Pachulia is playing much better and Law is getting better (but still needing to be more assertive on both sides of the ball), Flip Murray is the only true scoring threat off the bench. Everyone wants Williams to step up as an offensive option and adding the scoring prowess of Williams to this unit just might allow that to happen.

This is not meant to be a knock against Williams. We all remember that Marvin was a 6th man for the championship winning TarHeels and is, first and foremost, a fundamentally sound team player. Bringing him off the bench, as a primary scoring option like the Spurs do with Ginobili, could maximize his value and make the team even better. After all, it should always be “all about the team”, right? Thoughts?

By I.MUS WRITE

November 3, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

Ariose- so u dont like Calderon ha?….. well if you look at individual talent then I add Jamal Crawford and possibly Rondo.

I wonder if Ok City would trade us Russel Westbrook for Acie and a 2nd round pick.

I believe this guy is gonna be special - Super fast ….He’s like a combination of Billups and Paul…..Ok maybe thats pushing it but the guy is 6’4/6’5 215 very athletic with blazing speed. I actually like watching him and durant play.

By some sense

November 3, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

Marvin Williams did nothing Sat. night. Growing suspicion here that he’s no more ready to help than Shelden Williams was. Thoughts???

By infamouskrs

November 3, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

keeping JSMITH around was the smartest thing this organization has ever done! hearing about how excited he was to possibly become a sixer was wild..i just couldn’t think about him sporting another jersey…I’M GLAD IT DIDN’T HAPPEN ! the kid is starting to prove to the rest of the league he really is a future all-star.

JJ is an absolute basketball assassin. it really is an honor to watch him shot the rock. GO HAWKS !

By MannyT

November 3, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

Samuel If you follow the Chinese Olympic model, your daughter will suddenly become 3 years older tomorrow and ship off for state sponsored gymnastics camp while she has more youthful flexibility.

Looks like Bela and Martha are claiming reasonable prices for summer camp. Get seen, then get sponsored?

Congrats on the gymnastics, but I’ll have to take care of business in fantasy league this week;-)

By MannyT

November 3, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Growth is often less obvious to the folks that are closest to it.

The best thing the 08-09 Hawks have that they didn’t last season is flexibility. Sure they can put Flip at the 2 and JJ at the 3. If the situation for advantage dictates, they could put JJ at 1 and Marvin at 2, Josh at the 3 if they need a really big line up. They have a lot of options. As long as the anti-Sampson (Woody) can come up with a way to exploit the situation, there are a lot of ways to do so.

You know I was/am pro-Chills. However, Woody didn’t have enough faith in developing the other bench guys to have flexibility last year. As a result, aalmost all of his flexibility was moving Chills to a different position. Now that Woody has more trust for the bench, he can play a game many more ways.

All that said, I am not throwing Marvin under the bus for having a bad night. Mo didn’t have the best night either, but Woody had yet another option (Flip to 2, JJ to 3) to try. The team should not have a bad perimeter night unless Marvin, Flip & Mo all have a bad night. It will happen at some point, but it should not be a regular problem.

Let’s see how Woody handles the back to backs. By the end of November, we should have enough games to see how things look (or if Woody flips the coaching switch if he sees adversity.) Unlike most, I give the coaching staff credit for getting T’d up. Last season, we were always coaching scared. No technicals to be found. Now there is some confidence. No need for the staff to become ‘sheed, but they can push an issue sometimes.

I think the crowd could be more into the game early, but that’s another posting.

Thus, hopeandexcitement reigns for a few more days.

BWAF

By JD

November 3, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

I did see some rust on Marvin’s game, but you have to be encouraged by some of his performance (I did say ‘some’). He may not have had a big night scoring the ball, but he did some other things well. He played really good interior defense. Did anyone see the block he put on Dalembert at the rim (or was it Brand)? He rebounded well, given the amount of time that he was on the floor (okay, so 5 is right around the number he normally averages). And the other thing that he didn’t do was force shots for the sake of trying to score (see Tyrus Thomas and his efforts against the Celtics Friday night). He contributed to the flow of the game in other ways, and that’s what good players do when they’re not having a good shooting night.

Marvin was obviously knocking off the rust Saturday night. He was really shut down for a good portion of the pre-season with that injury to his thumb, albeit his non-shooting hand, and he really hasn’t played since the Detroit game two weeks ago. Marvin’s in a way better position to help this team than Shelden Williams was. It’s his first game of the season whereas everyone else has a game under their belt; ease up just a bit. If he goes through a stretch of games early like this, then have some concern, but it’s his first game.

Great win by the Hawks, though. My initial reaction to the early deficit was what the hell, but I still held on to my previous assessment that even if they do get down big early, this team (unlike previous Hawks teams) won’t fold and quit. They fought back and came out on top. Woody’s not a strong believer in carry-over from that playoff series; I think that series had a more profound effect on this team than anyone realizes.

By MannyT

November 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Wow-just noted on SportsCenter.

Stephen A Smith sez Iverson to the Pistons for Chauncey Billups plus fillers to make salaries match (McDyess)

By cb

November 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

I got to agree with some sense. Marvin W looks awful. Sekou, what is his trade potential. Zaza should start wirh Al and Josh on the front line with Flip or Murray as b/up

Sekou , you thoughts

By rms

November 3, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

Aroise, As much as I would love to see the hawks go 7-0, it aint gonna happen. They wont be the Hornets because one one guy(and we know who he is). Even if he was on our team there is a strong possiblility we wouldnt have Horford, so take your pick. Our point guards need to do a better job of getting everyone else involved by averaging more assist per game. The only reason Chandler looks good because he got a point guard spoonfeeding him. Imagine how much better J.Smith or Horford would be if Bibby or Law could do the same.

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

WTF my boi Chauncey!!!! No!!!! Salary dump for DET…..AI comes off tha books after this season so they can move forward with stuckey in the future I guess……If this doesn’t work for DET Dumars may get a media beatdown lol

Denver defenetly became a top team with this trade though……Billups AND Mcdyess??? Come on…..two former All-stars….pluss fillers for contract pourposes….damn…

By Sekou K. Smith

November 3, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

cb,

That’s a huge question mark right now. I don’t know that one game is worth trading anyone away. And with word that Detroit and Denver just consummated a monster deal, it might be wise to wait and see what goes down before doing anything crazy.

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

Chauncey is getting older though, He’s chocked in his last couple of Big Game situations and his declining defense was exposed the last two years in the playoffs…

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

Maaan if we could get Rudy Gay for marvin…..awww man…….only in fantasy land lol……the salaries do match though, we’ll even throw in Mario West and Solomon Jones…..I like MArvin though and it was only on game, y’all chill…

By kwooden1

November 3, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

I really like the make-up of this team, especially if Zaza stays physical when he comes off the bench. I don’t think we have mentioned enough that his physical play helped changed the game. Flip is definitely the kind of player the Hawks need coming off the bench. He’s a scorer, but he’s a drive first scorer. Mo looks to shoot the jumper first, Flip looks to get to the rim first. They’re a great combination to have!

The game against New Orleans should be a really good test, but I think we all might have to say, JJ has gotten better!! He was getting to the rim and finishing on Philly, a team with multiple shot blockers! Everyone knows his jumper is great and his in between game is the best in the business, but I don’t remember him being this determined to get to the rim. If JJ takes this next step and becomes a First Team All-Star, we shouldn’t fear playing any team in the league! We have our version of Koby, Lebron and we have the ultimate x-factor JSmoove. Win or Lose this team is going to be able to fight every night.

GO HAWKS!!!

By Eric S.

November 3, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

Josh Banks

I agree with your assessment of Marvin coming off the bench. I think if we chose to go with a “smaller” lineup, Evans should be in there and Marvin can provide scoring punch as a 6th man. There’s just not enough “ball” to go around with that starting five right now. I also, however, wouldn’t mind us going “big” and putting Pachulia in the starting line-up.

A few things I learned from the Philly game:

(1). Marvin has a ways to go still. He looked completely lost on offense. I thought he took two very bad shots - both fall away jumpers. I believe one badly missed and the other was an airball. He also failed to hustle back on a fast break and got beat. Young got a dunk out of it. I have never questioned his talent, but now - more than ever - I question his desire to be great.

(2). Flip Murray is a vet, and plays like it. He’s cool and calm out there and doesn’t get rattled. I wasn’t fond of his addition initially, but now I really am.

(3). As much as I love Horford, his post-up game is still raw. It’s almost robotic. Woodson needs to give him more touches to allow him to feel more comfortable down low. I think Horford can be an Elton Brand, but he’s not there yet.

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

…..The hawks just moved up in the EC food chain Bwahahhaha!!!!……right sekou???

Serously though, AI is faster and can break the defense down and he can move his feet on defense. Billups had become sort of a spot up shooter in the last few years(I blame Flip Saunders)

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

I think us playing against Boston has made everyone better. There one thing that LA and Atlanta learned from playing against them it was intensity…..and you can tell we learned our lessons based on our start.

But our D, man it looks completely revamped…..we had Sooo many doubleteams the other night it was incredible to see….our defense is Sick. I think woody took a page from Bostons defense. I bet he spent the summmer woking on those type of sets in his coloring…..er…..I mean coaching book heh

By T

November 3, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

I know it’s only one game (this year), but Marvin Williams is a complete bust. Nice game Marvin. The Hawks proved they don’t need you. Trade him now while you can get something for him… a pick or some new basketballs, something.

By ray

November 3, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Ariose, from last blog: we have differing opinions on who is better than who at the pg position. However, it is more about fit than people want to admit to.

Earlier in the fall, and in the summer, I outlined and described Bibby’s game, capabilities, and roles all the way from Arizona to here. That’s all been hashed out, though some people still don’t quite grasp the implications thereof. I said it before, and I’ll say it again: the determining factor of Bibby’s effectiveness on this team is how he adjusts to what we need him to be and do.

Comparing “elite” players between here and Boston isn’t even a good argument. Boston is a team where three all-star/superstar players were put together on the same team. They were able to mesh together and play as a team, each doing what was needed. And they had a coach who could define these guys’ roles and guide them along the path. They won the championship.

Here in the ATL: ONE all-star/superstar player. We agree that we don’t have the same kind of coach. We have yet to even win a playoff series. There is no comparison.

As for elite players…my definition of such (and it’s only my opinion) is a guy who comes in and changes the whole approach. A person who can play anywhere and do just about anything. A guy who takes over. But that’s just my definition.

By Astro Joe

November 3, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

Dumars obviously has tremendous confidence in Michael Curry as he will need to balance the egos of Rasheed Wallace and Iversen for the remainder of the season. It also means that the Pistons will have close to $25M in expiring contracts at the end of the year. If Rasheed plays well, then I think I may have to put my money on the Pistons to take out Boston in the conference.

Marvin will be fine. He may not show up until they get into the routone of playing every night (or every other night), but he’ll be fine.

By HB Ando

November 3, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

Lot of implications to this Iverson/Billups-McDyess deal. The Pistons get a free roll on Iverson, and if it isn’t a fit, they take his number off the books, free up space, and hand the ball to Stuckey next year. But I think, as far as this season goes, Dumars was also acknowledging a belief that the Pistons, with a slowing Chauncey matched up against Rondo, couldn’t beat Boston. I think he’s taking a run at this year, while setting the franchise up for next.

AI gives them a real “go to” guy, who still has the quicks to guard younger players. And with a shot to play for a title, you can expect him to bring maximum effort (that, and he’s playing for another contract). With the emergence of Amir Johnson and Maxiell, the Pistons could afford to move McDyess.

In my opinion both teams just got better, though I heard McDyess won’t be staying in Denver, which could change that assessment.

Now, if a team as good as the Pistons, can trade a true all-star point guard, in a season where they still projected to compete in the East, is there any sound argument that keeping Bibby is necessary, in Atlanta, for us to be a playoff team?

Way early for this kind of blockbuster, but one of those ESPN guys (don’t remember if it was Ford or Stein) predicted early season deals like this, about a month ago.

If you adhere to my belief that the ASG would love to find a way to lower their payroll, and move Bibby, without it being a public relations mess, Detroit trading an All-Star like Billups gives them a deal to point to in justifying a sooner-than-later Bibby trade.

Guess we’ll see.

Damn, what a way to start off the week!

By terrell barron

November 3, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

AI to Detroit for Billups and Mcdeyys? Idk about that one. Lets see: Stuckey, AI, Rip, Prince, Sheed. Maybe? Maybe not? I dont think that they got better or worse. Denver got a little better because they now have a TRUE pg. Melo should do his thing with Billups. Mcdeyys gives them some toughness, they’ve been lacking.+ Lets see: Billups, Melo, Kleiza, Kenyan, Nene. Who’s the 2 guard though?

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By terrell barron

November 3, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Ariose, Rudy Gay for Marvin? lol!! Memphis is still laughing. hahahahahah!!!

By HB Ando

November 3, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

TB: It’s J.R. Smith…

By Volman

November 3, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

It is truly a sad day today for me, as Phillip Fulmer is stepping down as head coach of Tennessee. I wish him the best of luck (it shouldn’t be THAT hard because he’s getting a $6 million buyout). He did a lot for the program and I appreciate his loyalty to the school

Onto some Hawks related stuff… Does anyone know if Peja is going to be healthy for the game Wednesday? I don’t know of his status.

Does anyone know where Marvin went? I surely hope he was rusty, because he looked like a rookie out there… Buddy, the season has started already!

By terrell barron

November 3, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

Ok, who starts at 2 guard for Detroit? AI or Rip? Or is AI playing the point? AI is a 2 guard, not a pg. Dumars has to know that.

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

Ray, Now you KNOW I wasn’t referring to Bibby when I said Elite Right? Lol……I was referring to him as being in the Very good (“Point Guard” Discussion)….I prefer breakdown guards….but I love Bibby for this team…..sometimes lol.

Honestly, I don’t even see calderon enough to be judging him, but I have seen him thrown off his peremeter oinentind game with some very tough man to man pressure(Nothing new, happens to Bibby as well) If bibby played for the Raps and Calderon played for us I wouldn’t be sold on Bibby either lol…….neither of them have that WOW factor…..they are really underappreciated unless they play for your home team……but theres no doubt that their bothe Legit.

My numer one PG in the game right now is B-Diddy…..hands down THE BEST….Period, sign seal and deliver……he was undderrated b/c he played in that system but it workded b/c of B-Diddy…..Nahsh didn’t look nearly as good in Nellie’s system.

I defenetly agree with what you’re saying. I was referring to the player backlash by the media n’ such…..if we win that will cease to exist…..but we haven’t proven that……yet.

No doubt that JJ is becoming “THE MAN” lol. After that Boston series….I think he’s just about seen it all(defensively) and he can’t be stopped anymore. The leauge may ignore it and not take notice, but they’ll find out for sure. I hope they do their homework before playing us…

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

Nah, Peja is out for sure…..in the article I read yesterday it said his Ankle still looked like someone stuck a baseball in there lol…..But Posey fills the void and he’s burned us enough times in the playoffs, we should know better…..

By Volman

November 3, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

Ariose, when you say burned, do you mean getting crossed up/annihilated by Joe Johnson in the playoffs? haha.

Yes, Posey is a threat…but I’d rather have Posey out there instead of Peja… Maybe I am wrong in my thinking…

I’m excited, nonetheless!!

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Volman, you’re not wrong……I meant Burned in a “Big Shot Rob” sense…..Posey couldn’t hold JJ’s jock strap…..it’s funny b/c on that Real Training camp video on NBA.com Posey was talking all that smack to CP about how if a player was on fire he would, physically hit them or take them out before giving up a bucket…….yeah that worked out real well for him in the playoffs…….we’ll see if his theory comes to fruition in Wednesday hehehe……Peja is way better, no doubt.

By Chris Peeples

November 3, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

I went to the game on saturday nite, and I thought the worse was to come when we were down 23. But it all turned around once we made a strong 3rd quarter performance which was followed by a Jordan esque moment by Joe Johnson in the 4th. We are looking good and I expect similar results as I will be @ the Nov 7 Toronto game.

By I.MUS WRITE

November 3, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

Marvin Williams/Acie Law

For

Russel Westbrook/ C.Wilcox

I know itz early but I dont see Marvin doing alot this season or any other season. Or maybe we should hold out to see what we can get at the trade deadline…….

I say pull the plug like we did with Shellhead- I wouldnt pay 8-9 million for him next summer so lets cut our losses early

By Volman

November 3, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Ariose, I feel ya, man… I was just messing around.. I know what you mean…he DOES make some big shots for whatever team he is on…

Let’s just hope he doesn’t make any tonight.

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

Hmm, Interesting….look were under luxury tax….that’s all that counts to me

By MannyT

November 3, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

The Pistons will be fine. AI will likely start at and defend the PG. On offense, they are enough of a share the ball team that Prince & Hamilton will cover the assist duties that won’t come from Iverson. If they choose to play small ball, then Iverson likely plays the 2 on offense, but may take the easier defensive assignment. He has a lot more miles on those legs than Stuckey.

In the meantime, he ramps up the offensive pressure to a level that they have not had in awhile. If you were Bibby, Flip, AC would you rather chase Billups or AI?

The trade story

BWAF

By ant banks

November 3, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

big ups to dumars for having big basketBALLS for pullin’ off this trade, unlike the gm’s we have hadd in the past. detroit still won’t win the east. boston will. iverson plays no defense and he don’t make players better.

By Astro Joe

November 3, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

I.MUS, dude hasn’t broke a sweat yet for the season. He’ll be a more valuable trade asset in the sumer than he is now. Let’s let the dude play 10 games this season before evaluating if he is progressing.

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Instant Analysis: AI’s addition calculated risk for Pistons

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

NBA.com Power Rankings……i’m not happy with them..At least for one week….com on…..oh well, when we go 7-0 they’ll know what’s up…

By ant banks

November 3, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

if sund could pull off a helluva deal like this gettin’ a tru big for bibby and speedy’s contract? i would jump on that all day!! gettin’ rid of 23mil for next yr? man, take it, take it

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

…..I still want Mike Miller….and don’t ask me to shut up about it cause im not gonna. He’ll be on the trading block come febuary and i’m sure we can get him without giving up much more than speedy and a pick…….

By reg

November 3, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

Come on man, we aint going 7-0. maybe 5-2 or 4-3 realistically, but no way 7-0. I will run outside naked with a Hawks jersey on if they go 7-0. Still too early to be evaluating the team let alone the individual players. Acie has got to take over though!!

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 3, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

I am slowly warming to this idea of bringing Marvin off the bench. Like many of y’all have said he did succeed in college that way. I still have seen nothing to prove that he will stretch the defense as a starter, nor can he play great man-to-man defense against opposing 3’s. On the second unit, though, being able to match up against lesser players might make him more effective. Depending on the matchup that might be a good idea.

I think the Pistons are gonna improve with this AI trade, although I’m a pretty big AI fan myself so I’m a little biased. Like Ariose said Billups had become somewhat of a spot-up shooter in recent years, and I’d actually extend that to say the Pistons as a whole have been relying too much on jumpshooting for a year or two now. AI obviously changes that by giving them a guy who can penetrate defenses and create offense. I do wonder whether Maxiell and Amir Johnson can stay out of foul trouble long enough to provide quality minutes (they certainly have the talent) with McDyess gone, and whether AI and Rip Hamilton can build the chemistry that Rip had with Billups.

This also brings up an idea — it’s pretty unlikely that the Pistons re-sign AI as this was clearly a salary-motivated trade, which means AI will hit the open market this offseason. In the event the ownership issues get resolved and that’s no longer an issue (obviously a huge “if”), could it be possible for the Hawks to make a run at him, considering that Bibby’s contract is expiring and Marvin is entering restricted free agency? We wouldn’t be able to offer him a very long-term deal because Joe and Al need to get paid in a few years, but I’d think if we could get him to come here for a couple of years it would be worth the gamble.

By ant banks

November 3, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

reg if you run outside naked with a hawks jersey on, you will no longer be naked.

the hawks will beat no, wednesday and will beat toronto friday.

By clint

November 3, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

The way Zaza is playing our management may have to consider an extension for him if he keeps it up to around the midway part of the season. His cap figure is sureley to rise if he can keep this up. Marvin just seems destined for another team, whether it be at the deadline or over next summer.

I am greatful for the playoff experience of last season that showed this team the intensity that they must play with each night if they really want to win. Saturday night showed that you can play methodical and not get out of your game plan even when you are down 20+ to a good team. You must continue to play hard for the full 48 and runs will come. Congratulations to a bunch of guys that have taken their lumps over the years.

Come out tough on Wednesday night.

By cp

November 3, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

The thing I loved about the game against Philly is how we played in the 3rd quarter. A lot of games last year we lost in the 3rd quarter it seemed. We would come out after halftime and look lethargic. What I dont like so far is the lack of assist. With the athletes and shooters we have, we should definately be putting up more assist. I think Marvin is going to be alright this year. He wont ever be the star some had hoped but he will be solid. I dont know if we beat the Hornets. Chris Paul lights us up everytime we play them. That cat just wont let go the fact that we passed on him lol. Somebody should show Marvin the footage of him against the Sonics last year where he played the best game I have ever seen out of him. He needs to watch that game and come out with that type of mindset for the rest of the year.

By ray

November 3, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

Ariose,

I’m right there with ya on wanting Miller, but don’t see it happening. I’m not even thinking about acquisitions right now to be honest.

Samuel, you had some pretty good, open-minded and well rounded points towards the end of the last blog. I like Bibby. Hoping he keeps giving us what we need, because that’s all that should be required of him or anybody else. Still wondering where he fits future-wise and what ownership/management thinks as far as his salary and all that goes. I still think finances and legal decisions will be more of a determing factor than anything else, but I’m here to watch and enjoy the games. I’m through worrying about that crap….or so I say. How about your boy AI going to Detroit? Hot times, hot times..

Astro Joe,

Have to say I agree. Marvin has played one game this season and we don’t know if he’s truly changed as a player or not. We’ll see soon enough. I wouldn’t expect us to make any sudden moves anyhow. Not with legal stuff still hanging like a cloud over everything. Right now I’m enjoying the two wins we have. On the flip side of the coin, we might not be seeing much of a different Marvin than we have in the past. One thing is for sure: he has to establish himself or you will see more 20 minute nights. Why? Because Woody saw something new (well, not new to us, but new all the same): when JJ is hot, but you want to add scoring instead of subtract….just move him to the 3 and let Flip play at the 2 with either Bibby or Law playing point. It works, and that’s why we saw both Mo and Marvin log less than 20 minutes apiece.

Hmmmmmm….

By Tyger

November 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

Is/Should Marvin be on the Block?

A huge question mark coming into the season, Marvin doesnt appear in sync with the emerging Hawks.

Not one to throw the baby out with the bath water, b/c I personally like Marvin, but there are financial constraints to consider.

After reading the “feel good” story about him sending his brother’s to college, I dont doubt for a minute that his heart is in the right place.

But its not his heart, that I’m worried about. We have all assumed it would be Bibby that provided the future salary cap relief, what if we’re wrong, what if its Marvin?

Clearly, Marvin needs more time, but the hard reality is, he’s running out of time. As a #2 pick, his play must equate his salary, sooner rather than later.

If Marvin’s play was on par with #3 pick Al Horford’s - he would have signed an extension by now. There’s no doubt in anyone’s mind that Big Al will get top dollar.

And wouldnt the Hawks be better served by preserving those dollars for Big Al, JJ and ZaZa??? And increasingly, it looks like they’ll have to find some money for Flip Murray too.

Million Dollar Questions Are:

1. Will he become Childress in two years and take the easy way out to Europe? Likely.

2. Will he elevate his game to that worthy of a #2 draft pick? Doubtful.

3. Is he the latest Darko Milicic or Kwame Brown? Probably.

4. Does he just need more time? Absolutely.

Right now, I would prefer the latter. He has great metrics but seems to lack the intangibles. Doesnt have the “raw” talent or explosiveness of a Jsmoove and sometimes seems outright uncoordinated.

Seems more of a complimentary guy than that lead player he was drafted to be, at some point soon Hawks will have some hard choices to make.

Can he accept a smaller role on a winning team?

He did in college, but that didnt come with a paycut.

Likely scenario, he gets traded for an expiring contract and a future high draft pick. Hawks can save face and money and he buys more time, elsewhere.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 3, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this

A more immediate possibility: the Nuggets are expected to waive McDyess. As well as Zaza has been playing, it certainly wouldn’t hurt to sign a minimum-salary veteran big guy who can D up. Yeah, maybe the Hawks are kinda low on the totem pole of contenders who will be after McDyess’ services, but the Hawks should at least give it a shot.

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

Sekou, Very confident words from our fearless leader Mike Woodson lol ;-)

I think the same approach they had against the Magic should Work…..David West Will be Howard, CP3 pnentrates although much more frequently than Nelson, and we absolutely must Contest the 3-pt shot(Run them off the line).

That Pick N’ Roll is going to be hell though……Let’s see how Paul likes to be in a Pick N’ Roll with JJ and Bibby. I don’t think he’s going to like being posted up too much heh…

Our Bigs are really going to have to step up and crash the Boards….

~Sir Links A Lot~

By reg

November 3, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this

Dang man, I meant do something crazy like the only thing I have on is a Hawks jersey running up and down the street screaming like a maniac. I am that confident 7-0 wont happen because it will be a cold day in hell when I do something that retarded. I love the Hawks,but man, 7-0 is too hard to fathom. If they do, man I will be eating my words. Hope nobody hold me accountable

By roan st

November 3, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this

The only thing marvin williams does is stand around on the offensive end. Dude is to clumsy to create his own shot. Not to mention a weak defender on defense. I can’t believe when the hawks brought him in for his workout back in 05 they didn’t put him thru drills with other players. They basically just stood around and watched him shoot jump shots and fell in love with his form. To bad he didn’t have a defender in his face harassing him or they may have seen the light. He’s the same exact tentative player today he was several years ago. Every blue moon he breaks out a decent game and gets everbody to saying - o.k. marvin lets see more of that. Then what? He goes right back into his turtle shell for 5 or 6 games and becomes that passive, tentative duck waddler. I completely agree with TYGER, the hawks need to spend those dollars elsewhere and not resign this kid. Any run of the mill wing player can provide basically the same as marvin. He just looks so awkward and out of sync with the rest of the team right now. Hell I’m starting to think he shouldn’t even be starting which is sad since he was a #2 pick.

By ray

November 3, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

I can tell you one guy I previously advocated trading and have changed my mind on: Zaza Pachulia.

One thing that will be the difference between being effective on offense or not being effective on offense is the angles he takes. I can recall the last game where he drove directly toward the baseline (rather than the basket) and then tried to fade away from the basket (and toward the baseline) on his jumper.

The idea is to attack the defense, and the basket. Stop acting like he’s afraid of the defense. He takes the worst freakin’ angles, which means he’s not giving himself a chance to even take a good shot. Marvin has such a nice stroke, that he’s going to be money from the free throw line. Which is exactly where he should be going every game. If the defense is chasing you, attack the basket. Up fake the defender on your jumpers and then lean into him when he leaves his feet. You’ll get the foul and the trip to the line. Good scorers find a way to score, and that’s usually where they do it from. Nobody’s going to give a guy with such a good jumpshot stroke an open shot.

Already Woody is talking about “reprogramming” Marvin. What is his obsession with this?? The man missed one damn game…..

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this

Ray, Me too. Even after the playoffs I thought he was a gonner lol. But he’s proving us all worng.

I hope Woody doesn’t do too much reprogramming shoot, he DID have five rebounds and two blocks in 21 minutes of action……

Ray- From the last blog……I lost all hope once I saw the new Ford mustang as a squad car. I was crying on the inside, no mor O.J-esque high speed chases anymore lol.

And it’s O.K ray id have a hard time sying no to your friend too lol…..I know it kills you since you have the corvette heh….

The key top having a light foot: Calm music(Jazz) no hype stuff lol.

But either way i’m good now. I always know where i’m at….and I know where I shouldn’t try my luck heh.

My pops on the other hand heh. That guy has talked himself out some tickets….Don’t know he he does it lol. And now he has one of those shiny badges you were talkin about(No hes not on the force)

Apparently Since in his younger days he worked for the City of Atlanta as a Health Inspector…..and the fact that his friend is the Chief of fulton PD(I beleive) he got hooked up with one….the wallet and everything. Maaan when he first got that he wouldn’t stop telling me and bragging about it…..and how he didn’t get a ticket lol(In addition to the others he taked his way out of hah)…….needless to say i’m still jealous Hehehe….

When I tried to negotiate, I just got my speed reduced lol, but that was good enough for me!!

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 3, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this

Zaza is the latest example of the good old contract year phenomenon. Vince Carter knows all about that.

Sekou, nice preview of the Hawks-Hornets matchup — I gotta say that is seriously the first time since 2005 I have read an article that mentions the Hornets and the Hawks and doesn’t mention the Hawks’ decision to pass up CP3 in the draft. Very refreshing.

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this

Here’s that other Marvin Williams Article some of you were taklking about

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ken Strickland

November 3, 2008 7:24 PM | Link to this

I don’t understand the mentality of some of you. After soundly defeating Orlando on their home court, some of you said one gm proves nothing. Yet, after playing his 1st gm, you’re perfectly willing to write Marvin off as a seasonal failure. Or, after only one start, you’re ready to declare Evans the best starter. We know without question what Evans can do and has done coming off the bench. We don’t have that luxury of knowledge with Marvin.

So, why not go with the known rather than the unknown and adhere to the old adage, IF IT AIN’T BROKE DON’T FIX IT. The Hawks starting lineup has reached a level of maturity and development that doesn’t require each starter to play at or near his A gm for us to win(SEE THE PHILLY GM). However, if top scorers like JJ, Bibby and/or Josh are off their gms, it’s Marvin’s responsibility to step in and pick up the slack and carry the team until adjustments can be made.

Some of you are disappointed that Marvin’s production hasn’t measured up to his lofty draft position. Yet, you want to bench him and start a player that’s yet to measure up to Marvins production. The logic escapes me.

By terrell barron

November 3, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

I forgot about JR Smith Ando.

By terrell barron

November 3, 2008 7:34 PM | Link to this

Josh Smith is the guest on NBA TV. Hawks finally getting some love.

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 7:45 PM | Link to this

He’s not a guest lol, he’s a neighbor since ther right downtown hehehe. If NBA TV HQ was in LA We wouldn’t be getting any love and our game wrap-up highlights wouldn’t be nearly as nice….but I guess we should be happy lol.

By doc

November 3, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

best part of ;orenzen leaving and probably shels too is that it allowed zaza back onto the court and into the good graces of his team mates. zaza seemed to go into his shell when rens was here and moved out of it when he left. maybe it is only circumstantial nut it could be more than that.

very impressive to think the hawks have already navigated through two teams that could have easily been in the loss column an away game and a team that they had match up probs with last year who added a very influential player in brand. stating to look like it rings of the noise of “you gotta believe”.

ariose you are making me consider taking a speed reading course to keep up with your links.

By mykhalc

November 3, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this

reprogramming??? WOODSON straight up needs a damn program…PERIOD!!! CLULESS!!!

By ray

November 3, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this

Najeh, I don’t know for certain why Zaza is playing as well as he is. It could be contract year, or not. All I know is it’s helping us big time.

OH, and McDyess is expected to either retire or return to the Pistons. I think he’d rather retire than not play for a title contender. I doubt we could get him, even if we had the cash to do it. Not that I wouldn’t want him mind you.

By The Truth

November 3, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

Ken Strickland

Just to add to your point; I’m not convinced that Mo Evans alone can produce Marvin last year stat avg of 14.8 points and 5.7 rebounds. I noticed even when Marvin struggles such as during the Philly game; he still got five rebounds and two blocks in limited minutes. I’m not sure about Mo rebounding production. Also, so far, Mo is showing me a mostly one-dimensional offensive game. When he is not hitting the three and is mismatched against a longer player while battling rebounds, he becomes a liability. I don’t mean to Criticized Mo (it still early in the season), just pointing out some weaknesses with the consequences of replacing him as the starting sf.

By ant banks

November 3, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this

YAHOO SPORTS is reporting that dumars made this trade to clear up room for lebron!! wow!! dumars is shrewd!!!

By CP3

November 3, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

I am going to go easy on you Hawks fans. I”ll put up 30pts, 15 dimes and only 5 steals. Then I”ll spin around on Marvin so bad he’ll think he was playing “Pin the Tarheel”. Loser!!!

By Ariose

November 3, 2008 9:54 PM | Link to this

Doc, Lol i’ve been writing a paper all day so i’ve just been on tha CPU linkin’ it up heh.

Apparently, Detroit just gave Rip Hamilton a three year extension!!! Dumars….man…..that guy…..just wow…

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Lacsho

November 3, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this

Wow you Marvin haters are killing me. This guy missed the last week of preseason. Prior to missing those games, Marvin was on point. That’s all I’m going to say about that.

Hi Haters

Ken

I agree with you 100. If it aint broke, leave it alone.

Some of these assesments are straight lame. I hate to see some of you fair weather fans after the Hawks loose a couple of games.

Ray

Thanks for handling the Bibby and Acie comments.

Peace

By The Truth

November 3, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

CP3 Be careful calling Marvin a loser, looking back, Marvin got a college championship and you don’t. If my remember is correct, NC sent WF packing numerous times in the playoff. By the way, when was the last time WF won anything? While you were there, how did losing feel?

By cp

November 3, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

It’s kind of funny reading Woodsons take on Chris Paul now. When we worked CP3 out Woodson thought he was too small and didn’t think he was a good shooter. I see his opinion has changed dramaticaly. We wont stop Paul in the next game we have to make someone else beat us because CP3 will be getting his. I think the last time we faced them the kid from Kansas killed us. I forgot his name but that kid was balling against us. Catching oops and doing as he pleased. We have to stop Pauls supporting cast.

By CP3 stopper

November 3, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this

Sick Em’ Acie!!!!

By CP3

November 3, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this

I said Marvin is a loser, not the Tarheels. Granted he was just a sixth man with a great supporting cast, I”ll make up for that by winning some championships and MVP trophys. Maybe one day I”ll invite Marvin over my house to look at them and he can show me his college stuff since I know he wont accomplish what I have done. Old tired behind sap!!!

By CP3

November 3, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

Dont get me started on Acie. I am going to send his scary behind back to Texas with his tail up his butt!! Woody might wanna implore the ol’ hack-a-paul cause thats the only thing that will slow me down. Good thing for you guys that I only play you 2x a year, but when I get down to Atlanta, I”ll really show you guys how a point guard is suppose to play. Bibby or Law are no match for me!! Hornets all the way. Check out our web page at hornets.com

By The Truth

November 3, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

CP I agree. To beat the Hornets, we need to take away his assist. Let him score 30+ but limit him teammates. Our defense need to control the tempo of the game. Make them one-dimensional on offense.

By The Truth

November 3, 2008 11:02 PM | Link to this

CP3 Man you’ll talking hypothetical. Win the dam championship then come back and talk because right now, it’s cheap!

By Flip Murray

November 3, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this

CP3 I’m gonna cross you outta your sneakers kid…….git big youngun’…..lift weights…..

By CP3

November 3, 2008 11:18 PM | Link to this

Come on Flip. Dont kid ya self. I will make a nice poster of you to autograph for my fans!! I love a pre-game trash talk though. U still cant beat me. I got ya’ll number. Woody will have ulcers by the end of the halftime. The fans will be walking out the arena dizzy than ever before

By doc

November 3, 2008 11:33 PM | Link to this

kind of fun to be relevant, where folks try to stir up animosity. thanks for the interest cp3.

By hawkeye

November 3, 2008 11:44 PM | Link to this

“There is one sticking point to the deal, though. TNT analyst David Aldridge reports that McDyess does not want to go to Denver, and a source close to him says “he will not put on a Nuggets uniform” and may opt to retire.

Because of McDyess’s objection, the Nuggets may waive the mandatory physical each player in a trade must take in order for the league to approve any deal. McDyess may be seeking a buyout of the remainder of his contract (two years, $13.6 million).

A source with knowledge of the trade discussions says that the Nuggets would be willing to discuss a buyout with McDyess, but only if he agrees to a “significant” amount less than the $13.6 million he’s due through the end of the 2009-10 season.

According to the source, McDyess would have to give up about 50 percent of his salary, meaning he’d have to agree to take about $6.8 million of the $13.6 million he’s due in any potential buyout if he wants to play elsewhere.” —- NBA.com

should we make a run for him? do you think it will be necessary? i think he has some few gas left in his tank, he can still play D, still a good post player and a threat and he is a veteran. maybe he can help us win more games and get into the playoffs. and he’ll be a good mentor for big Al.

i’m also thinking about trading marvin and speedy for richard jefferson. r.j has always been consistent almost through out his career and his game really improved and he learned alot especially PASSING by playing alongside with 1 of the best pg ever. he is athletic and can score bigtime, he also have playoff experience, a good perimeter defender and he’s a nice guy and a good locker room pressence. i think he can be good fit in this team and can also be a co-captain with JJ and bibby? anyway we already have othello hunter to replace MW as our sixth man or sign back chillz next season (if still possible) i think that there’s a chance that the bucks might get interested. i’m just concerned with JJ we can’t keep on relying on him and expect to save our a* every single night. i think we need to add 1 more threat a vet and floor leader just in case that JJ and bibby have a bad night and can’t contribute we’ll have another guy who we can rely on.

it seems far-fetch but i’m just thinking about the possibilities.

By doc

November 3, 2008 11:49 PM | Link to this

even though the pistons and nuggets are willing to change things up larry brown hasnt changed a bit. he has already started whining about his lineup and how undersized it is acting like detroit has a bunch of size. just cant go there when the center is sheed matched up with two guys under 6’9” and the first guy off the bench is 6’8” maybe in maxiell. larry it is time to start coaching again. stuckey is looking very efficient in three games.

gasol, marc that is had a career night and has quickly given memphis a tougher look than most would have expected from a soft euro at 7 ft 280 lbs. 27 and 16 tonight admittedly not against even the ghost of shaq. just the same pretty good numbers in a win. memphis at a respectable 2 and 2 to start the season after such a dismal fiasco last year.

By Ken Strickland

November 4, 2008 12:02 AM | Link to this

If Woodson is smart, he will use his best weapon against CPaul, Speedy Claxton. They’ve played together and Speedy has the speed, quickness and DEF ability to make Paul work extra hard. Acie has the size, quickness and DEF ability to put pressure on him at both ends of the court. Bibby can provide a neutralizing effect with his ability to score, expecially from the outside.

You shouldn’t try to stop CPaul, just control his output. You rotate 3 gurards to make him work extra hard to get his stats while holding his teammates down. Make him more of a jump shooter by backing off, protect against the drive and encourage him to take jumpshots.

We’ll win this gm. We have too many weapons for them to contain and we play better DEF. They aren’t a very good DEF team, especially without TChandler to protect the basket.

By The Truth

November 4, 2008 12:21 AM | Link to this

hawkeye I agree, it is far-fetch. The only reason McDyess came to Detroit, is to win a Championship. Otherwise, he is not motivated or interested. Also, no way, the Bucks make that trade with the Hawks unless additional drafts are involved.

By Al Horford

November 4, 2008 12:37 AM | Link to this

CP3 — you might talk sh-t now, but come inside at me and I’ll put you on your azz. Don’t believe me? Ask TJ Ford.

By Matt = niremetal

November 4, 2008 12:45 AM | Link to this

Again, I’m having my doubts about Marvin. But it’s damned near impossible to trade a player whose rookie contract is about to expire. He’s not the kind of player that a team will want as a “loaner,” and he’s going to expect a big pay bump at the end of the year.

And oh yeah…anyone who thinks we can get a near All-Star for him straight up…dream on.

The player that I always thought would be a perfect fit for these Hawks is Kirilenko. The Jazz might be willing to part with his huge contract in exchange for Bibby and Marvin. AK-47 gives us an all-court scorer and defender - he’s really one of the most versatile players in the league, and one of the few who is effective inside and out on both ends of the floor. Getting him would give the Hawks the best defense in the East (including Detroit, since Iverson is a big defensive downgrade from Billups). His interior D would help allay the need for another big man, and his deadly perimeter shooting would fill our biggest offensive need.

And in case you doubt me on his interior D…just remember this.

Of course, we still wouldn’t have a PG or C. But we’re not gonna be able to get an upgrade at those positions by just giving up Marvin and draft picks. And really, there aren’t many options if we toss in Bibby - the only “big-ticket” PGs and Cs who get paid $10M or more are all either downgrades (see: Kirk Hinrich) or players we could never get (see: Baron Davis or Pau Gasol).

So if we can dupe the Jazz into parting with AK-47, it might be the best we can do - and since Kirilenko and JJ both come off the books at the end of 2010, it opens up a ton of cap space to make a run at someone from that elite FA class.

I don’t think it will ever happen, but it’s more feasible than Marvin for Rudy Gay.

By Matt = niremetal

November 4, 2008 12:59 AM | Link to this

Heh. Just realized that if we did my trade, we’d have to get rid of Zaza too. I’d almost forgotten about that whole Russia-Georgia war thing…

By hawkeye

November 4, 2008 1:04 AM | Link to this

JJ and bibby is not getting any younger. if we want to make a run for a championship we must do it now or next season while we still have JJ at his PRIME and ABOVE AVERAGE mike with us. our goal should always focus on the championship not just getting into the playoffs no matter how impossible it could be. cause time is running. look what happened to phoenix. they could have won at least one championship when nash was still in his peak. but look at them now they only made adjustments when nash started to decline and i think they made a bad bad trade with an aging shaq. now they have two stars who’s very close to retiring and still phoenix hasn’t won any championships till now. and they’re a much weaker team now than they were 2-3 years ago. and i bet that they’ll be in the rebuilding phase again 2 yrs. from now. i just don’t want that to happen to our hawks we can’t keep on hoping that we will be able to DRAFT a hell of a player and WAIT FOR HIM TO BLOOM so can help us win. we already have history of bad draft picks. we’re talking about YOUTH here and chances of winning a championship with JJ and mike with this young studs. i just can’t wait for marvin to BLOOM when it’s already too late.

By hawkeye

November 4, 2008 1:17 AM | Link to this

Matt why would they be even get interested with bibby when they already got DW? and besides AK-47 is part of their core. i doubt that they even have plans trading him especially that they are aware that boozer is planning to sign with miami next season. they will need AK-47 for the worst-case scenario just in case boozer won’t resign.

By Matt = niremetal

November 4, 2008 1:54 AM | Link to this

Why would any team trade for Bibby? Two words: cap space. Trading for Bibby means $14M in cap space comes off the books at the end of the year for that team. The Jazz will need cap space to pursue a FA if Boozer bolts at the end of the year; the Jazz are hamstrung from replacing him if they don’t unload Kirilenko’s salary. You don’t keep a $15M on the books as “insurance.” Unless you’re Paul Allen.

That said, I was quite semi-serious in my second post - I’m not sure that the Hawks can put a Russian on the same team as Zaza.

By ray

November 4, 2008 3:58 AM | Link to this

Matt,

Trade for Kirilenko? Heh. No way the Jazz let their best defender go when he’s playing as well as he is right now. No way. Not unless he wants out and starts sucking big time. At which point, why would we want him?

As for the Russian vs. Georgian thing: perhaps the hatred you imply doesn’t exist between two non-military individuals who share more in common than we might think. But what do I know…

Hawkeye,

Boozer may or may not want to go to Miami….but where does he fit in with Michael Beasley already there? Unless of course you think Beasley is a SF and will stay at that position. Boozer is a great player, but Miami needs a center. Boozer won’t give them the inside defensive presence they need. And he won’t give them anymore than what Beasley will in a couple years. Besides, Shawn Marion is there right now. Miami will be more worried about what they trade him for before they start worrying about Boozer, I think. That’s just my thinking though. Udonis Haslem can’t continue playing at center for them. Talk about undersized…

By hawkeye

November 4, 2008 6:08 AM | Link to this

ray yeah i agree with you man. i think there’s no way that jazz will let go of AK and besides we already have smoove. they almost have similar skill set but the only difference is that AK can shoot from the outside. and the jazz has been consistent this past few seasons i doubt that they’re going to ruin they chemistry by parting with AK. matt AK and Zaza wants peace for both countries.

regarding boozer i read some rumors that miami is trying to pursue him. i don’t know what riley is planning to do with that team. maybe they’re planning to sign him to add more rebounding and toughess to the team. i’m not sure…and i think that beasly will more effective in playing the 3 than 4.

and about the speedy and MW + 2nd round draft pick trade for RJ do you think that it’s really that impossible? i mean the bucks has a history of making bad trades e.g (allen for payton and desmond) and (draft rights for dirk) i’m just thinking that there must be a way to make this trade work. and i’m hoping that we can add mcdyess to our team. he can be a big help both scoring, rebounding and D but i’m just concerned with his contract. he might not play hard cause he’s not as inspired as he was when he was still playing for detroit.

By Samuel

November 4, 2008 7:03 AM | Link to this

NBA.com has the Hawks #9 in Power ratings.

By hawks-4-life

November 4, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

Thats bout right, for now.

By The Truth

November 4, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

hawkeye Stop dreaming, it won’t happen. RJ is a central part to rebuilding the Bucks. Read the new GM comments about RJ:

http://www.nba.com/2008/news/features/11/02/hammond.qa/index.html

*NBA.com: You mentioned Richard Jefferson, whom you acquired in the offseason. What has he brought to the team?

Hammond: He is a proven player, and I want to say this again about the Jefferson trade: We acquired a very good player, we think one of the better small forwards in the NBA. To get talent you have to give up talent and we gave up a very talented piece in Yi [Jianlian], who potentially has a great career ahead of him.

But at this time, we felt Richard was a valuable asset for us if we could acquire him. And what he brings? He brings winning. First and foremost. He’s played in two NBA Finals. He knows what it takes to win. He knows how to win.

And of course what he can do on the floor. He can defend three spots on the floor and score 20 points when needed.*

It seems like RJ will be a cornerstone piece to their rebuilding plans.

By Ariose

November 4, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

RJ is having a crappy year so far anyway, I don’t know what you guys see in him…..besides we need another person who can stroke it not VC-Lite. RJ not clutch…..whatever, check his numbers on the season so far, and then read the articles about his struggles………

Their shutting him out on pourpose(He’s not used to getting ALL the attention from the defense) we’ll see…..but whatever.

By A Thinking Fan

November 4, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

Good start so far…

By terrell barron

November 4, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Hawkeye, he cant shoot that much better than Smoove can from the outside. And Smoove is getting better and better at it. He’s not shooting those rainbow’s anymore.

By Matt = niremetal

November 4, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Yeah, yeah. I know the Jazz would probably never agree to it, unless we could convince them that they need to clear up $15M in cap space this offseason. That’s why I said we’d need to “dupe” them into it. But AK-47 is my favorite player in the league who isn’t on the Hawks.

And terrell - he’s a way, way better perimeter shooter than Smoove; the Jazz don’t have him spot up very often because they have Deron, Okur, and Korver, but he has a far smoother outside stroke than Smoove.

By hawks_4_life

November 4, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

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PR: 17 Atlanta Hawks Maybe these guys are ready to make the jump in class to Eastern middleweight after all. They won at Orlando, then rallied from a 23-point deficit to down the Sixers to start 2-0 for the first time since ‘98. Joe Johnson, who famously looked like a boxer when he got hit in the eye during the playoffs as a member of the Suns a few years ago, hopes to KO another Eastern middleweight on Friday when his Hawks play host to the Raptors.

By I.MUS WRITE

November 4, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

AJ-I agree Marvin will have more value next summer. I for one have never really been a Marvin fan and the man does’nt do much to sway my opinion. Hopefully his value will come in a trade.

I dont think there are enuff shots to go around when Marvin starts… Mo -a career journeymen is a better fit with the starter becuz he concentrates on Defense and getting in the passing lanes…Lookin to take the 3 when open……

I saw JJ scowling when Marvin kept missing shots(1-7) i saw Smoove barking at him when he didnt rotate on defense, I saw Bibby pass out of a double team to JJ who was 20 feet away to hit a contested 3-totally overlooking Marvin who was 5 feet away

I dont think the rest of the players trust or believe in Marvin. Lets say he avgerages 15/7 for the season -are we gonna offer him 9 mill knowing that Al and JJ are coming up for extension probably not.

I dont think Marvin has the “IT” factor. That it that makes a player want to dominate or be great…….He seems to be happy playing the background….I dont want a guy who disappears during crunch time. Say what u will about Smoove but that boi is fearless and is’nt scared to go at anyone……

I feel alot better when our bench players have the ball in crunch time…IE Flip

I mentioned Westbrook becuz i think he’s gonna be a really good PG. The guy plays fearless and has blazing speed -Sounds like he would be a good understudy for Bibby……. Wbrook seems to have it- the type of it I dont see in AC or Marvin.

Hell I would even take Westbrook and Petro. Since the 05 draft there are numerous players outperforming Marvin……And it goes a little sumthing like this…….Granger,Kleiza,Milsap,Maxielle,Rudy Gay,Roy,Thadd Young etc…..

When is he gonna show up….. Im not sipping the Kool Aid anymore this is his 4th year…Show me sumthing dude

Then there are the people who believe he will come around …….When dam it -in year number 8???

Pull the plug already and lets balance out the team……Sheldon,Chillz,Marvin ………..Im so happy that Billy Knight is gone I could scream…..basicly 3 wasted picks.

By Maxx

November 4, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

Sekou, great article. Straight from the heart. We learned from this game that nothing lasts forever. Awesome. We really are the lunchpail, blue-collar defense and hustle ballsquad, plus we have enough offense to get it done with Ice Cold JJ and when Smoove is playing above the rim. Zaza has become a beast and should be in the starting lineup. We should go with our big lineup with Bibby, JJ, Smoove, The Beast, Zaza.

By Astro Joe

November 4, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

I.MUS, I agree that Marvin lacks the ego needed to become a true star. But at the same time, I doubt that there are many 23 year olds averaging 15/6 with the ability to improve and who make less than $4M. I think Marvin (in trade value) is probably comparable to a $7-8M player… and witht he trade rules in place, we can’t trade him now for a player of that value. So we wait until the summer when we could consider a S&T and get back fair value for him. But mostly, I don’t think that anyone could be evaulated after one game. They will surely be games when Mo or Flip or Josh or someone else is off and Marvin has the hot hand.

Persoanlly, I think it’s funny that after every game, the player who had the most trouble will be the one this blog screams needs to be traded. Anyone want to bet that after Flip has a 2-10 shooting game, that someone will make the Ty Lue comparison?

By Ariose

November 4, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

…..Zaza’s not a legit starter, just an energy guy/hustler.

By Volman

November 4, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this

Astro Joe, GREAT points… Honestly, I hate it when people throw players under the bus after ONE bad game…

Like you, I cannot wait to see the T-Lue comparisons when Flip has a bad game…

Ugh, you’d think we’re 0-9 right now with some of the bad attitudes around here!

By Ramon

November 4, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

I wish some people would lay off Marvin for a while, at least give the man a good week in the season before bashing him. Would I like to see Marvin traded for someone like Battier, of course. But I’m not with the idea of giving him away just after one bad game. We all know how hard he worked this summer. If he does average 16 ppg, 5 rebounds this season, his salary will be a steal for THIS season. If something big comes up where you can get an all star 1, then package him with Bibby and send him on his way. But that is not going to happen.

Anyway, am I the only one who thinks the Detroit trade HELPS the Hawks. Detroit is in another division than the Hawks, so they have to play Chicago, Indiana, and Milwaukee more. Am I the only who thinks you can go ahead and count most of those games as wins again? The more competition those three teams have in their own division, the less competition Atlanta has for the 5-6 slots.

By sam

November 4, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

My roomate Ariose is a flaming Homosexual. PS: Hawks suck c**. Thanks.

By CP3

November 4, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this

Good evening ladies. Just finished my daily workout and I feel great. Just posted a few blog responses on our team website and wanted to check out my lovely hawks fans. Be nice Horford and I might go easy on you guys down here. My man Chandler will be ready and even if he wasnt I am still waxing you guys!!!

By Ken Strickland

November 4, 2008 7:41 PM | Link to this

You know I love basketball as much as anyone, especially the Hawks. But, I have to say I hope all of you voted in this historic election. I don’t know about any of you, but I’m finding it hard to focus on sports. I’m on the sports cites now just to give myself a break.

I NEVER THOUGHT I’D LIVE TO SEE THE 1ST BLACK PRESIDENT ELECTED IN THE MODERN ERA. I HOPE THE HAWKS ARE AS SUCCESSFUL THIS SEASON AS OBAMA HAS BEEN THIS ENTIRE ELECTION. ALL I CAN SAY IS, GO HAWKS, GO OBAMA AND GO USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By ray

November 4, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this

Astro Joe, anybody comparing Flip to Ty Lue after a bad shooting night is a fool or doesn’t know the difference between the players. I’d take Flip over Lue any day. Flip can play the 2 and gets to the basket a lot better. He can defend the 2. I don’t think we need to go any further with that one.

As for judging a guy after one game: that goes both ways, and some people just aren’t looking at it that way. For one thing, Marvin was averaging close to 15 and 6 last year when he was getting 35 minutes a game or so. I said it before, and I’ll say it again: we have a better bench now, which means that Marvin will have to produce or watch those minutes get cut. Evans is the guy playing behind him. Evans, while smaller and shorter, plays more solid defense right now. I can tell you one thing: you won’t see Marvin averaging 15 and 6 a game if he’s playing 20 minutes per….unless he somehow manages to channel the spirit of Vinnie “the microwave” Johnson.

Volman, You won’t see those comparisons from anybody who knows anything about the two players. And while I agree that Marvin shouldn’t be judged after only one game, he has less room for error than he has in the past. As long as the bench guys stay healthy.

Acie backs up Bibby. Flip backs up JJ, but sometimes either guy will be on the court, and JJ will slide to the three or just simply run as the third (and biggest) guard when the matchups are right. We’ve already seen this…against Philly. Meanwhile, that leaves Evans all by himself to back up Marvin. If Marvin can’t score more or play better defense, then you’ll see Evans play more minutes. Marvin didn’t play less than 20 minutes in this last game because he was coming back from injury. He played less than 20 minutes for two reasons: 1)He was largely ineffective (despite 5 boards and 2 blocks), and 2) Woody has this strange obsession and belief in “reprogramming” guys when they miss a game. Don’t ask me to explain that second part. It makes little sense to me.

I’m not condemning Marvin. But a strong bench doesn’t just help keep the intensity up when starters are resting. It pushes starters. Marvin has to play in such a way and contribute at such a level, that there are only three reasons for taking him out: foul trouble, needing a rest, and a matchup exploitation that requires he not be in the linuep. And that last reason should be a rarity.

We’ll see what happens. I am looking for a more positive and effective game from him against New Orleans. But you know how Woody is. If Marvin doesn’t get in a groove soon, and Evans is doing well enough….don’t look for Marvin to do as well as last year, or as good as some people keep saying he’ll do.

By ray

November 4, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this

Ariose,

Richard Jefferson is having a crappy year so far. But by that same logic, we should condemn Marvin, Acie, and some of our other guys, right? Consider that Jefferson is playing for a completely different team (one that he didn’t want to be traded to, no less) and with a completely different coach (the offensively challenged dictator known as Scott Skiles). Not only that, but he is the second option on that offense. Michael Redd is a grea shooting guard, but he’s not the same type of threat as a Vince Carter. And there’s no Jason Kidd around to get him the ball in all the right spots. Nope, he’s got Ramon Sessions and Luke Ridnour. Yippeee.

Not that I’m advocating a trade for Richardson, but he’d have less pressure here. And I’m absolutely certain he’d be more effective. But that’s just my opinion. He’s also older than Marvin. I’d say Jefferson is an acquisition we’d do if we were trying to get out of the second round of the playoffs and into the Eastern Conference Finals. Right now we’re trying to make sure everybody knows we belong in the playoffs…

By ray

November 4, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

Today in the News

It’s very early in the season, but….

Zaza is playing like a very legit backup center.

Marc Gasol is playing like a legit starter. Boy did the Grizzlies pick up a good one there. Imagine that, lose one Gasol and gain the other one….It’s almost like they got a tall spaniard discount or refund…

Luol Deng looks like anyting but the $71 million dollar man that Chicago signed. He’s the fifth highest scorer….on his team. And that’s with him barely averaging double figures. And he’s shooting 31% from the field. Yeah, Josh Smith for $58 mil looks awful damn good right about now to even the staunchest doubters, does it not?

Derrick Rose, however, is for real. More of a scorer than a passer right now, but who cares. Chicago needs every bit of his team leading 17.3 ppg, 4.5rpg, 3.5apg, and 1spg. Okay, so he’s also averaging 3 turnovers a game. Right now he is still the Bulls’ best player outside of Drew Gooden, who recently joined Al Horford in the first chapterhouse of the PFFTPC (Power Forwards Forced To Play Center).

Detroit basketball is about to become more exciting than it has in the past few years. Two names for ya: Stuckey and “The Answer”. I can see it now: the announcer yells “Detroit….” , and before the crowd and yell “Basketball..”, those two guys will be up the court and at the basket. Yessir, Dumars is the man. He should do a new show called “Pimp My Team”.

Larry Brown can be a good coach. If he gets exactly what he wants. If you don’t give him any rookies. If he has talented veterans. If he has Allen Iverson. This guy must be in a race with Michael Jordan to see who can wreck the team the fastest. That team looks so out of joint it’s ridiculous. Jordan should have drafted Brook Lopez to play alongside Okafor instead of bowing to Larry’s suggestion of grabbing DJ Augustin. Hell, we all know Larry’s no good with rookies. Good thing he was gone from Detroit before Stuckey was drafted. Poor kid would’ve had to change his name to Stuck to the bench.

Speaking of which, I hear there’s a very high-paid ex-Georgia Tech pg to be had…though how is anybody’s guess…

There are four reasons why Sean Williams is not a starter in New Jersey: Josh Boone, Brook Lopez, Ryan Anderson, and Yi Jianlian. I’m just sayin’…

Another player has joined the PFFTPC. We’ll let him introduce himself.

“Hello everybody. My name is Udonis Haslem, and I’m a power forward forced to play center.”

“Hiiiii Udonisssssss…….”

And that’s all for now…

By richbrave

November 4, 2008 11:13 PM | Link to this

HISTORY!!!

By Lacsho

November 4, 2008 11:42 PM | Link to this

Yessir History

By Ken Strickland

November 4, 2008 11:47 PM | Link to this

OBAMA IS NOW THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. IT’S NO LONGER YES WE CAN, IT’S YES WE DID. I WANT TO THANK TO ALL OF YOU WHO MADE THIS HISTORIC EVENT POSSIBLE. AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THANK YOU.

By Ken Strickland

November 5, 2008 12:43 AM | Link to this

Tomorrow night, we have to continue what happened tonight in the presidential election by beating the heLL our to the Hornets and then beating the heLL out of their New Orlean Saints counterpart Sunday. GO OBAMA, GO HAWKS AND GO FALCONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Ariose

November 5, 2008 1:37 AM | Link to this

Nice Josh Smith/Randolth Morris Article from Hawks.com

~SalimFan Sir links A Lot~

By Tyronne "The Show" Lue

November 5, 2008 2:42 AM | Link to this

Ray, me and Luke Ridnour find your words to be so hurtful…I had a hand in winning at least FOUR of those games during the 13-69 year!

By richbrave

November 5, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this

KEN STRICKLAND, ray, and to all of those who post here of African-American heritage:

I cannot begin to imagine the emotions you feel today. The world and the old U.S. of A. must surely have changed. Or is it you eyes and what you perceive on this day.? The old adage” you can be whatever you want to be” comes to mind. Tell your children. No more wishing and hopin’. Its reality.

By Ken Strickland

November 5, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

RICHBRAVE-I’ll be 62 next Tuesday. I’m old enough to have experience some of the worst of Amenica and the best of America. I’m also knowledgable enough to know that by definition, Obama isn’t the 1st Black president. My excitement is derived from living to see the 1st recognized Black president elected, and/or 1st elected in the modern era.

I’LL BET JESSIE JACKSON HAS SOME SERIOUS MIXED EMOTIONS GOING ON.

(1)THAT COULD HAVE/SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME.

(2)I’M THE FOOL THAT ADVOCATED CUTTING THE NUTS OFF THE FUTURE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

(3)I DEVELOPED A NEGATIVE ATTITUDE TOWARDS THE NEXT PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE REFUSED TO STEP ASIDE AND ALLOW MY SON TO RUN FOR THE SENATE SEAT OBAMA HOLDS.

(4)OBAMA HAS NOW REALIZED BOTH HIS AND ML KINGS DREAM. BUT WHAT ABOUT MINE?

(5)IVE SPENT MY ENTIRE CAREER TALKING ABOUT THE RAINBOW COALITION, BUT OBAMA ACTUALLY MADE IT HAPPEN, DAM.

(6)I’VE JUST WITNESSED THE CLUMINATION OF WHAT I’VE FOUGHT FOR ALL MY LIFE, WOW.

By I.MUS WRITE

November 5, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

Volman/AJ….. Definitely not throwing Marvin under the bus, especially after one game. I know he was out with the thumb and his timing was supposedly off. My comments are derived from his performance over the last 3 seasons.

Where are the shots gonna come from -for him to improve upon the 14 he averaged last year, especially with Bibby,JJ,and Smoove firing away.

Im looking at the guyz body of work not just one game. He’s a bargain at 4 mill a year-but come on now 8 to 9 mill is assinine to me for a role player. Yeah i said it role player. If I had a choice I would’a definitely kept Chills over Marvin…… we have what we have so im not gonna bash the guy but I see the future of this team and I dont think it includes Marvin……..

T Lue are u nutz ……I dont care if flip goes 1 for 20, I stil run with him over T.Lue T.Lue cant hold that mans jock strapp

As for him being 22 and avg 14/5 or what ever-pick any of the names i mentioned and they are already at or on his level,sum with less time in the league……….Marvin worked out hard ,Marvin put on weight,Marvin shot alot of 3’s…… Okay lets see that translate to game time action….Im from Missouri show me yung fella jus like Smoove is right now.

JJ avg’n 30 points a game ha? -dont know who the anonymous writer is but he should stay that way, rediculous comments about a man who shows up night in and night out.

7 seconds on the clock down by 2 I want the ball in JJ’s hands over King James ,Wade, and Melo. Itz all good we’ll show ‘em when NO takes an L tonight

By I.MUS WRITE

November 5, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Richbrave -You have no idea man….this is one of the days i’ll remember for the rest of my life……… warms my inside’s

KS….did you see Jesse with tears in his eyez as Barrack adressed the nation. I wish Jesse would just go away never to be heard from again…”I wanna cut his balls off” Y u ignorant Mutha F_a, Becuz u and that perm wearing loud mouth will neva be president….SAD

Jesse do what u do best chase yung azz-

By ray

November 5, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

RichBrave, thanks for the insightful words. I do try to keep my political and religious views off the blog, though. Wars have been fought over those two “subjects” for centuries. I don’t want to kill the blog….

Ken, please don’t start on Jessie Jackson. You and I both know what his deal is…

Moving right along.

This recent article about JJ is…well, I don’t know what to say about it. On the one hand, I completely agree with what JJ’s teammates and coach are saying about him, specifically in response to what the scout had to say. On the other hand, I’m thinking we’re not getting a complete thought in the intended context from the scout, and perhaps they don’t understand what that he really meant. But this also begs the question: when did this scout say this?

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that JJ is the front-runner for this team. He’s the most talented, and the most capable, hands down.

His style of leadership (largely “lead by example”) is what has been questioned and/or discussed as to whether or not it is adequate for leading this team “all the way.” In no way should his performance on the court be questioned. He’s the best we’ve got. And in my opinion, he’s better than a lot of other teams’ “best.”

One could argue that the scout is right, and that JJ is not this type of guy, because Phoenix saw fit to let him go. However, I would retort with the idea that Phoenix simply chose their path. They chose to keep Nash (which was a gimme). They chose to keep Stoudamire (another gimme). They chose to keep Marion. And now he’s gone. Imagine if they had kept JJ. They probably are imagining this right now. As it is, for what he brings….you could reasonably argue that they now must use a mixture of Grant Hill, Raja Bell, and just a dash of Boris Diaw to make up for it.

Here’s another way of looking at it: there are a couple of guys who are obvious, top tier, front row team leaders despite their surroundings. And then there are guys who shine even brighter than before, and are enhanced by the addition of other good or great players.

The guys who meet the former category are guys like Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Chris Paul, Dwayne Wade, etc. Doesn’t matter where you put those guys, they’re going to take control, and they’re going to shine in the darkest of places.

The latter description fits guys like Paul Pierce. Let’s be honest, did anybody see Paul Pierce as a charismatic, rah-rah type of team leader before last year? No, he toiled in obscurity, quietly averaging his 20+ ppg. Then, when two all-stars were brought into the fold with him…all of the sudden he is “liberated”. He becomes this incredible guy that leads the team in the hottest, heaviest, grittiest moments. He’s already doing that this year. And I thought Kevin Garnett was going to be that guy. I was wrong. Garnett is a huge plug and an incredible running mate. But Pierce is clearly the leader.

I think JJ can and will be the same kind of guy. I think that’s why we see him starting the year off banging out 30 a game. Not because he’s taking 50 shots a game, but because he is somewhat liberated from the multitude of tasks he has had over the years.

This is about perception, really. Guys like Paul Pierce, Michael Redd, Kevin Martin…they are all seen as their team’s leading scorer. As things change, and more talent is brought in, better pieces fit into the puzzle…they become team leaders. This is the evolution that JJ is going through now. He has always been seen as this team’s leading scorer. The stats alone prove such a standing. But now, he can be seen as this team’s leader. It’s not just on him, it’s on his teammates. It’s on the GM to give this guy the kind of help he needs. Whether it be outside acquisition (Bibby) or organic growth (Smith, Horford), this team’s leader will evolve as this team evolves.

By ray

November 5, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

Okay, I.MUS, you more or less summarized my feelings about Jessie Jackson (though I think mine were more violent…forget anger management, I need rage management), LOL!!

On tonight’s game:

A few burning questions. 1)How will Marvin play? 2)How much will Woody play him? 3)Will we ever see Randolph Morris? I feel like we have an offensive threat in him, that we’re just not using. 4)How will Bibby do against Chris Paul? 5)Same for Acie…6)Will Josh Smith shut David West down? 7)Will Chandler be ready to go?

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

Rich

You are right, America has spoken. To my African American people no more excuses. To my American people, thank God for this new generation. I wish my granfather was here, but I feel his smile warming my soul. This is the country I fought for, while I was in the military. Last night I couldn’t stop weeping. Once again, Americas leads the world into a new direction.

Ken

I’m glad you got a chance to witness this. Alot of people gave up on this generation, but it looks like they are exceeding expactations. Peace to you my brother.

Hawks & Falcons

We need to go 2-0 this week against N.O. If we win tonight, I’m going to need an oxygen tank. I don’t how much I got left in the tank….

Peace to my Hawks family

Time to buy some newspapers

By fudd21

November 5, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

Lascho what do you mean no more excuses?

By CP3

November 5, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

Why are you guys so confident that your pathetic team can beat my Hornets. I will be running circles on your entire team tonight just like Drew Brees will make his recievers look like Pro-Bowlers against the Falcons secondary. You will never beat me as long as I am playing. As a matter of fact, I’m so good even if I wasnt playing we would still beat you. My presence alone is enough to beat any mediocre team for that matter. Now, how u luvin” those apples?? Hornets all the way!!

By doc

November 5, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

i would like to think last night will somehow bring harmony so that we can all live as one in unity and peace. i too can dream. peace.

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

Fudd

You can achieve anything in America, if only you believe, and strive for it. No one can hold you back, but yourself.

Rise Up Hawk Fans

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 5, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Jesse Jackson was just crying because he didn’t get a chance to cut off Obama’s nuts. Now of course it’s gonna be impossible for him to pull that off.

I don’t agree with Obama on every issue, but I can definitely say that even to many of us non-black minorities he represents a lot of the same progress as he does to the black community.

Back to basketball, there’s a lot of truth to what ray said about Joe, although I’d say that any scout who watches the game should be able to know that Joe is a tier above the likes of Michael Redd and Kevin Martin. Any player is gonna look better when he has talent around him, because it means he can settle into doing the things he knows how to do best. When Joe first got here there was no point guard, no post presence, etc. and Joe pretty much had to fill all those roles. As the team has improved Joe has been able to focus on what he does best. Like Ray said though I’d like to see what this scout actually said.

As far as tonight’s game is concerned… considering that we have problems guarding opposing point guards, it may not be a bad strategy to let CP3 score all the points that he can while shutting down the alley-oops to Chandler, the mid-range looks for West, the 3-point shot for Peja and Posey, etc. Give CP3 all the points he wants but clamp down on the passing lanes and make the other guys beat you.

By Josh Howard

November 5, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

CP3, the only way you’re beating the Hawks is if you punch Joe Johnson in the nuts… which you are fully capable of doing.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 5, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Another interesting election result: Kevin Johnson, former Sun, won the mayoral election in Sacramento yesterday.

By CP3

November 5, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

You can try to cut down passing lanes all you want to but I will still find ways to beat you. Joe and I are going blow for blow when the fourth quarter draws to a close. I will win of course, but it”ll be exciting for everyone to watch. Hey 2-1 in your division aint bad! If I lose(which I wont) I”ll come back and take my lumps from ya”ll as a man, how about that?

By Hawks Fan In New Orleans

November 5, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

I from the A have been living in NO for over a year and I’ve been waiting for this battle since last season. It got my single game tickets and I cannot wait see our Hawks bring it 2nite. CP3 will get his, but so will JJ. Peja and Chandler will play but who knows how effective they will be. Lets go Hawks-Resurge!

By Ariose

November 5, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

I was just mad that GA…and pretty much every other Southern state (execpt Florida) wen’t for McCain……..the SOUTH still has some work to do…..don’t act like you guys don’t see it every day……anyway, obviously a great day in history……hopefully he’ll make us all proud…..

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Astro Joe

November 5, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

Richbrave, I didn’t expect the reaction that I had last night. But once the announcement was made at 11:01, I cried like a baby. I thought I was done… but when I went into the bedroom of my 2 boys this morning, I started all over again. I was walking into their room to not only wake them up but to tell them about last night’s victory. It was their first time seeing their Daddy cry…my youngest even said “I didn’t know that you knew how to cry”. And at the heart of my over powering emotion is the enormous pride I have in my country. “There is no progress without a struggle”, Frederick Douglass once said. And my tears were mostly a joyful celebration of this country’s progress.

Now, with all of that good Kumbayah feeling in the air… let’s spank the crap out of the Hornets tonight. Here’s hoping that our boys put their foot so far up the Hornets’ beep that the shoe laces tickle the back of their throats.

God Bless America!

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Doc & Najeh

I feel you guys.

Ray

I agree, however I always felt JJ was the leader, not just the scoring leader. We’re not privilege to hear JJ in the locker room, so we don’t know what he’s been saying since his tenor began in Hawks land. I feel JJ is becoming more vocal outwardly, because the team is finally respectable in the league. JJ and the core have improved every year. I’m glad to see JJ dunking again.

I think JJ and Iverson would be a dangerous back court. I think we would own the 4th quarter. C Webb stated, “If you run with Iverson he will get you the ball”. We know our team is built to run. I have to give Mr. Bibby his props, when he’s on; he’s one of the elite pg’s in the league. I would like to see him change his game up when his shot is off. I’d like to see more penetration, and then dish the ball off to one of our athletic bigs. I like when Smoove changed his game and focused on defense during the Philly game. During that game, he knew his shot was off the first half, so he became a game changer on defensive end. That’s the sign of a great player.

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

Aroise

In time my man, In time.

By terrell barron

November 5, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

Najeh, I’m black, and I thought Jesse was faking too. He could’nt stand Obama at first. Said he did’nt act black enough or some b****** like that. I dont know about Ole Jesse? Always trying to be in the spotlight. As far as the game goes, will Marvin Williams show CP3 why we chose him at #2? Just kidding. lol!! Nah seriously though, I’ve yet to see Marvin play. I missed part of the Philly game. How’d he look? He better show me something tonight. We basically know what we’ll get from everyone else. Go Hawks!

By I.MUS WRITE

November 5, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

Dam it …..Najeh Davenpoop strikes again!

Should i call u Jacko or Najeh,because Michael Jackson does’nt know if he’s black or white either. LOL….

Hmmmm-I remember a few months back, you said ” By the way I.mus im black” Now ur a non black minority….

Here’s my take -I think you are hispanic, but you grew up in a black neighborhood, and at the tender age if 3 you were torn away from your parents and raised by wolves.

Am i right Crayola man…..

By Daniel

November 5, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

terrell,

Marvin looked absolutely horrible against philadelphia. In fact, Marvin is the only negative sign from these Hawks so far in this young season. I agree with some of the other bloggers that having him come off the bench is the only viable option. You can start big with Zsa, Al, and Josh in the front court or go speed with Al, Josh, and Mo. Perhaps being a scoring threat off the bench and improving his 6th man status will at least generate some interest for marvin aroung the league. I love the Hawks and I am very excited about this season, but Marvin MUST get his act together in a hury.

By ray

November 5, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Najeh,

Thanks for the kudos. Also, you should send an e-mail to Woody on how to deal with the Hornets tonight. Damn good gameplan, my man. And good lookin’ out on the Kevin Johnson election. I had no idea dude was politically active. I’ll never forget how he used to do it on the court for the Suns though. A fearless and supremely talented pg. Do you remember that dunk he threw down on Olajuwon that one time? Wow! At 6’1” no less…

Lacsho,

Good point about how we don’t get to see or hear what JJ says or does in the locker room. Very good point. He may have been doing the same thing all along, but you’re right in the idea that he is becoming more vocal outwardly. I’m glad to see him throw one down, too. I’m definitely glad to see Josh turning the page when his offensive game isn’t going. I want to see more of that and I want to see him put a foot in David West’s a$$ tonight. West torched us something ridiculous last year. If I were Smoove, I’d be making it my personal mission to take him down several pegs. Dude has talent, but Smoove is otherworldly when he wants to be. That needs to be on a nightly basis. I can’t wait for tonight’s game.

Astro Joe,

Lord willin’ we’ll feel the same way 4 years from now about the election. This country is indeed going in a new direction. There are a lot of things that could be done to change the face of politics. Goodness knows this stuff doesn’t happen overnight. But one important thing to me will be Obama’s will to rise above the personal agendas of both the Democratic and the Republican party. That’s one of the biggest things killing this country. Of course, that may be too much to hope for. People are people. But one can still hope.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 5, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

Imus, haha nope, I’m not Hispanic either.

Ray, here’s the dunk you were talking about.

By Astro Joe

November 5, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Ray, Chris Rock made a funny and wise comment a year or so ago. He said “true diversity is when a Black man has he same opportunity to suck”. So while some are holding their enthusiasm until he has a chance to prove himself, I’m thriled that he has been given the opportunity to “suck”. Of course, I don’t think that he will… his genuine interest in learning will serve him well.

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Najeh

I remember that dunk. First thing I thought about was Biz Markie saying “Funkie”. Since we’re in the same fantasy league, I’m aware of you ethnicity, but I’ll let you unveil it to the rest of the crew.

Ray

You’re right Smoove needs to take it to West tonight. I want to see some high flying sh*t on defense. You know Posey will be up to his old tricks.

CP3 was my first fantasy pick. Flat out this guy is a beast. I agree we need to let him score, and cut down on his assist. However, we have a beast, and his name is JJ. If Bibby and Smoove have a good game we should be ok. Our bench is a lot stronger and deeper. This will be the third game in a playoff atmosphere. Like Dela Soul use to say, “The stakes are high”.

By The Truth

November 5, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

terrell barron So you think Jessie was faking huh? ..and you say you are black? There is a side to blackness that has more to do with a person’s experience and less to do with a person’s skin color. Therefore, I assume from your comment you have not shared in Jessie’s past experiences. I that right?

By Ariose

November 5, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Posey helping coach Byron Scott come up with a game plan to stop Joe.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ric

November 5, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Hey Aroise, Why does it matter that most southern states voted for McCain. Listening to most people comments on the radio and internet,they leaned towards him because they favored his social and economic beliefs, not his skin color. I liked Obama but in hard times like these more people were concerned with a better economic plan not making history and thats where the battle is? Oh yeah, by the way- a Hawks win tonight can really make my day!!

By Sautee

November 5, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

I’ll quote former President Gerald Ford:

“My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is finally over”

Thank God!

By rms

November 5, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

Help me out here. I just dont see us pulling this win off. I think I need to go back in the kitchen and drink some more of the kool-aid. Match-up wise I think Acie would be better suited against Paul and have Marvin come off the bench. Bibby aint quick enough to stay in front of Paul. Bring in Solo and Morris off to bench to provide some help inside especially on the boards cause Philly was killing us last week. Hope we can pull it off!

By Mike is back

November 5, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

Marvin’s production will be needed to aid the Hawks in their quest to become one of the new Eastern Conference Dynamos. There are going to be nights when he looks really bad because he is a rhythm guy, but I’m looking for Marvin to finally start to quite some of  his detractors.

Joe is not one of those self absorb flashy kind of guy, so his leadership qualities can easily fly under the radar.  Some guys are born leaders, and other guys have to learn how to lead. Joe had to go through that process.  Joe is not a fire and brimstone kind of guy, but I expect that change this season…You can see it in his body language. All leaders need a supporting cast to lead, and Joe is no different.  I look to see a more animated Joe this season.

Man this cat Flip got these,” JAZZY FUNKY MOVES !!!!”. He is poetry in motion. Flip and Mo are the perfect complements for this team.  We gotta come with a name for Flip and Mo. I say call them Fire and Desire . 

I know it’s early, but I see something different in these Hawks. These ain’t Yo Momma Hawks.  Sure they are going to struggle some games, but I look  for the Hawks to come out and punch somebody in the mouth this season. Woody said it himself, I guess he has been watching Mike Singletary, Heh Heh!! 

Talking about Swagger, has anybody seen Woody lately? Man this cats looks like he ready to spread his wings and fly. Great Call Samuel!!!!!“loooooooooooooooooool”

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By The Truth

November 5, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

One thing I disagreed with Woody about was setting a quota on Marvin’s production of 18 ppg this year. I think it will and has caused Marvin to play selfish ball. I noticed during the Philly game he shot everything he touched and rushed his shots as he is conscience of his minutes. I think he should first focus on his fundamentals and shot selection, then let the game come to him. His goal of 18 ppg will became a natural progressive result of an overall improve game. Woody is again planting a bad seed.

By Ariose

November 5, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

“Listening to most people comments on the radio and internet,they leaned towards him because they favored his social and economic beliefs”

Ric, I’m sorry, but I just don’t agree with you there……I heard from three people yerterday who think Obama is the next antichrist….Seriously??……Even though it’s understandable to not trust a candidate running for president(I thought John Kerry was off his rocker)……comments like those are just Ludacris….

~Sir Links A Lot~

By DAP01

November 5, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

Stick to basketball talk…. please.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 5, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

Haha when did I say anything about my ethnicity in the fantasy league?

By Ariose

November 5, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

Micah Heart…..Paul Vs. Bibby

Rival Report: Hawks.com’s Micah Hart

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ric

November 5, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

That fine Aroise, I am just commenting on what I heard. I am happy about the outcome nontheless. Anyways on another note, how in the hell are these Hawks going to slow down Paul and the gang. What the hell Woodson mean by “how we going to stop him, I dont know”. Thats never a good sign when a coach aint figured out how to stop or at least slow down the opposing teams best player. I am sure the Hornets are licking their chops at the Hawks right now!

By ladiesman3000

November 5, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

I think Acie should start instead of Bibby mainly because defensively speaking he is better in my opinion. Then maybe this can be a big confidence booster and possibly a breakout game for Law also going against an elite PG. Hopefully (but highly unlikely) he could model a little of his game after him.

By reg

November 5, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

Paul vs Bibby! I dont know about that one. If Bibby cant take Rondo then I aint convinced he can take on Paul. Better stick with Law or Murray to attack that dude. He is the real deal!

By ray

November 5, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

Najeh, thanks for the link. That’s one of my all-time favorite highlights, even though I loved Olajuwon.

Man, we gonna just have to call you The Shadow or Chameleon because your ethnicity is shrouded in such mystery! Heh heh!

Ariose, people will always be like that. Well, some of them will. Let’s not go there though. We call them extremists. Hell, I hope dude ain’t the antichrist, that would be some serious shiznit, LOL!

Astro Joe, I heard that. And I understand completely. I was really speaking to us as a nation, and our free-wheeling, extremely biased media. If the guy is doing a good job, then that should be duly recognized. Whether they bring it on themselves or not, I hate to see a president of this country so openly, massively ridiculed as we saw with some we’ve had (most notably the guy who will soon be vacating that seat). It’s ridiculous. I mean, there have been freakin’ sitcoms and endless “comedies” about him. Even Bill Clinton didn’t get this much disrespect (despite his indiscreet actions). In the end, we have to ask ourselves this question: who’s more laughable, the guy in office, or the nation who voted him there?

You know, I swore I didn’t want to get into politics. Enough. No more. We’ll save it for personal encounters. Two hours before a “moment of truth.” Come on Hawks, lets go into The Hive and wreck the set!!

By terrell barron

November 5, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this

Yeah Najeh, come to think of it, You did say you were black. What’s up with that? But whatever. You can be whatever color you want to be, as long as your’re a Hawks fan. lol!!! Maybe another personality or something? Idk? lol!!

By terrell barron

November 5, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this

The truth, WHATEVER MAN. You believe what you want to believe, and I’ll do the same here. Why was he crying again? Why all the love for Obama now? Where was it before? Shoulda supported him from day 1. I know Jesse was a part of the civil rights movement, which I thank him for, I just think he’s a little shady, that’s all. Take it how you want it.

By terrell barron

November 5, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

And By the Truth, stop being so sensetive man.

By terrell barron

November 5, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

I mean sensitive. My bad. lol!

By ray

November 5, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this

Ha!

Terrell Barron, saying that Jesse Jackson is a little shady is like saying Donald Trump is a little arrogant or Arthur Blank is a little wealthy….heh heh heh heh!

By terrell barron

November 5, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

Ray, I was trying to be nice.

By ray

November 5, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this

terrell, I know. But I keep going back to what Jesse got caught saying about Obama. I don’t think he was trying to be nice, huh? And no amount of psycho babble is going to convince me that this has a damn thing to do with any traumatic past experiences, either. But anyway…

By richbrave

November 5, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this

Don’t you all sense the day coming when a WOMAN, another AFRICAN-AMERICAN or a HISPANIC president-elect is NOT historic news, but rather a consensus of that individual’s collective abilities.?

I congratulated people on the street today and they understood me instantly and returned the salute. My only contact with the youngest generation however elicited the only surprise. Not understanding where I was coming from, he basically wanted to know what the big deal was. And this from a well-educated young man interning at a securities firm. My how far America has come-how far I have come. PEACE. Now GO HAWKS. Take care of business tonight.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 5, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

I don’t ever recall saying I was black, ever…

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 5, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

Apparently Tyson Chandler and Peja Stojakovic are likely to play in this game despite their injuries. Makes it even more important that the Hawks guard those passing lanes well, because from what I’ve seen of the Hornets CP3 likes going to them pretty often.

By The Truth

November 5, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this

terrell barron Sorry I came on so strong. I really didn’t mean to offend. I was relating to my own teary moment last night.

By Melvin

November 5, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this

Impressive start by the Hawks. They are taking a lotg of jumpshots…

By doc

November 5, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this

never knew we had such a bunch of crying wimps on this blog…. geeez. wonder what will happen when something really important happens like the hawks or the falcons winning a championship.

i think i’ll stay out of the jesse jackson debate. ;-)

astro j, loved the chris rock comment. agree i dont think he will suck but no way in h3ll obama can live up to the expectations set for him.

By terrell barron

November 5, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this

Look at Marvin!!!

By Melvin

November 5, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this

Marvin is 3-3 on 3-pt shots….

By Samuel

November 5, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this

Yes, it is. I like Woody’s move to put JJ on CP and Bibby on Mo Pete. What about Marvin? Trying to prove he was the right choice, huh!

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this

Three things

1) Marvin is silencing the haters. 2) Great team defense 3) Why would Bibby take a jump shot, when cp3 has two fouls. Please tell why he didn’t drive to the hole.

By Melvin

November 5, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this

Good first quater but way too many 3pt attemps. We need to attack the rim. Defense looks good as they took the alley oops away from Paul.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 5, 2008 8:37 PM | Link to this

Damn, I am liking this version of Marvin…

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 8:37 PM | Link to this

Great first quater. They need to build the lead while cp3 is on the bench.

By Samuel

November 5, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this

I wonder who’s teaching these guys this great defense? Holding the leading scoring team in the league to 16pts. Josh Smith may prove me wrong in my prediction for him finishing runner up defensive player of the year.

Please slow down on the 3’s though.

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this

Man someone needs to get that 3rd foul on cp3.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 5, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this

Yeah co-sign Samuel, that’s exactly what I was gonna say. When’s the last time the Hawks have played a three-game stretch of defense at this level?

By Melvin

November 5, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this

Hawks could have a 15 to 20pt lead if they take better shots. Hornets look out of sync and the Hawks are not taking advantage of it..

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 5, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this

Something’s missing in our offense today, as good as our defense is. Bibby’s gotta knock down those open perimeter J’s.

By doc

November 5, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

now samuel, i hope y se the value of marvin being able to shoot the three. heh heh

dont know if anyone caught the radio interview on 680 with sund, main point he made is horford is a 5 and only occasionally a 4 comparing him to cowens and unseld as guys that can do more to upset things in that position even though not the classic size.

maybe ariose can dig up the interview somehow.

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

Great first half. Damn this game is going super fast. Man can someone stop cp3?

By Melvin

November 5, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

Big 3pt shot by Bibby to end the Half. But CP3 is scored at will in the 2nd qtr.

By Matt = niremetal

November 5, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

I’m nervous about the second half, but you gotta love the balanced scoring attack so far - nine guys have played, and seven of those guys have 5-8 points. Having a solid second unit is HUGE.

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

If Marvin is hot, why sit him on the bench, so he cools off.

By cp

November 5, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

Chris Paul is pretty much destroying us and he didn’t even play much in the first quarter. Why did Marvin sit so long after starting out hot? Woodson pulled a move from last year. When Marvin started out hot last year he would sit him down regardless if he was playing welL. He sat him way too long. We are settling for way too many jumpers. We are up 6 but the thing that scares me is the fact that only Chris Paul is having a good game for the Hornets. If West or Peja get going it might be one of those nights. Bibby has to knock down more of those open jumpers. Law looks like the guy from last year.

By Sautee

November 5, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

I thought Ray figured Najeh out last spring.

He admitted then to being Polysaxoafregian or something like that. ;-)

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 5, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

Despite CP3 scoring at will in the 2nd quarter, if you notice, the Hornets only cut two points off the first quarter deficit. I am cool with allowing CP3 to continue getting his. I like the defense the Hawks are playing on West, Peja, and Chandler so far.

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this

CP Law has lost his swagger; he looks shook.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 5, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this

Haha Sautee sure why not…

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this

We’re shooting to many jump shots. It’s time to put Flip in for Bibby.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 5, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this

I wanna see what Woodson can draw up during the timeout. This is the kind of situation in which I think Woodson’s limitations come through the most — when the Hawks need quick, easy buckets from someone, he hasn’t shown an ability to draw up plays that get people easy looks. Hopefully that has changed or is changing.

As great as Josh Smith’s defense has been in this quarter his offensive decision making has taken a (hopefully temporary) break.

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 5, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

Well just as I said that the Hawks came out of the timeout with a great play call and are looking a lot more energetic now.

By reg

November 5, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

Man what the heck is wrong with Acie. Come on man drive, penetrate, create something. Stop looking scared. At least Bibby looks halfway decent. You guys know Joe is about to get going, dont even sweat it!!

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Bibby is a defense liability; he cannot guard the other teams pg. Woody has made some horrible substitutions.

By Melvin

November 5, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

We are going to need a big 4th qtr from JJ to win this game. The off in the 3rd looks horrible. Too many jumpshot especially by Josh. Comeon Hawks. This is a winnable game.

By kgbsfinst

November 5, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this

Is anyone else watching this on NBA league pass and listening to the Hornets announcers? I usually enjoy listening to other announcers and see how they view the Hawks, but these losers are the worst. All their doing is talking sh!t. Its driving me nuts! Anyone else agree?

By Melvin

November 5, 2008 9:53 PM | Link to this

Just win you want to tell this kid to stop shooting, he hit 2 key jumpshots.

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

Mel

I was thinking the samething. It’s time for JJ to get busy. Someone has to stop cp3!!!!!

By Melvin

November 5, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this

2 big shots by Flip Murray…

By Melvin

November 5, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this

Flip Murray is on fire. Another 3pt shot….

By hawkeye

November 5, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this

flip is doing a better job than bibby

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this

Thank goodness he left flip in and kept bibby on the bench.

By Melvin

November 5, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this

Joe Johnson is a beast….

By Melvin

November 5, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this

Marvin Williams with a big 3pt shot.

By Macaroni Tony

November 5, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

Did you see MW hit that threeeee!!!

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

Yessir Marvin thhhrrrreeeeee

By reg

November 5, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

Aw hell yeah, Marvin for 3!!! Lets go Hawks. They said it cant be done!!

By Freshmaker

November 5, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this

Great 3 by Marvin. The Hawks have taken what, 30 3-pointers tonight? Oo

Reminds me of some of Kentucky teams from the 90s lol.

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

What you are witnessing is a great team in the making.. Man I’m about to loose it. This team is for real… Eastern conference lookout. Here we come!!!!!

By doc

November 5, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

oh yes, be there friday night to lose my voice.

By ajw

November 5, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

First Obama! Now the Hawks! You said it Dominique! This team is for real.

By Melvin

November 5, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this

Joe Johnson with another big shot. That should be the dagger. Josh is all over David West. Flip was big off the Bench tonite. Marvin played a nice under control game. Big win for the Hawks tonite. 3 wins against 3 playoffs teams. Go Hawks…

By rms

November 5, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this

Dang can u believe it. Hawks win!! I was wrong Aroise, you were right. Dang man,we just might be a pretty good team

By kwooden1

November 5, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this

HUGH SHOTS BY JJ AND MARVIN

GO HAWKS!!!

By Jay

November 5, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this

CPwho? Get it out of here

By kwooden1

November 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Link to this

HAWKS WIN! HAWKS WIN! HAWKS WIN! HAWKS WIN! HAWKS WIN! HAWKS WIN! HAWKS WIN! HAWKS WIN! HAWKS WIN!

By terrell barron

November 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Link to this

And Marvin gets the last laugh tonight. What about that? lol! Great win.

By ajw

November 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Link to this

Could we have Woody as coach of the year? Maybe even coach the all star game? Unbelievable!

By Melvin

November 5, 2008 10:18 PM | Link to this

Great def effort from the Hawks tonite. They held the Hornets to 79 pts. Great Win.

By Sautee

November 5, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

I’ll take 79 more just like these 3.

By Ryan

November 5, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

Well> New Orleans might want a word with that scout, Methinks. .

By Don!

November 5, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this

Damn.

Just damn.

I’m not drinking the Kool-Aid yet, but I have opened the pouch and got the ice tray out of the freezer.

Is this the best (non-playoff) game the Hawks have played in the past … seven? … years?

Later,

Don!

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 5, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this

The Hawks won today because they put on the CLAMPS — Complete Lockdown Assuring Minimum Points Scored by the other team. (Awaiting approval from MannyT for that one…) Josh Smith is not 40, but he is a man defensively, and the rest of this team really feeds off that. If we keep getting defense of this caliber with Joe Johnson’s clutch scoring and reliable outside shooting this team is gonna make a LOT of noise in the playoffs.

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 10:23 PM | Link to this

CP3

Don’t come to our blog talking shyt… We run this!!!!!

Lets go Falcons!!!!!

By hawkeye

November 5, 2008 10:23 PM | Link to this

flip just gave us the reason to trade bibby.

By terrell barron

November 5, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

Why is Marvin just now starting to shoot 3’s? He makes it with ease. And I dont think he looks as awkward as he use to. Maybe its just me. Idk? How bout Flip Murray!! He just proved why I think Bibby might be outta here before the break. Especially if Acie comes into his own. But thats another subject for another day. 3-0 baby. Go ahead Woody. Prove us all wrong. lol!!! He said he would use his bench this year, and he’s doing it.

By Sautee

November 5, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

Gotta give Woody props for making an adjustment and putting Flip in for the bulk of the 4th quarter.

Murray’s really been the difference this year.

And it’s great seeing Marvin hit threes. See Matt, I can say good stuff about Marvin.

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

We’re going for 50 Baby!!!!!

By cp

November 5, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

Great win. I was over here clapping and yelling. The guys battled all game. This is a game we lose last year. Flip was huge. Marvin hit a big 3. Joe is proving that scout and a lot of other nay sayers wrong.

I hate to complain after a huge win but we have to knock down our free throws. Our free throw shooting has not been good these fist 3 games. We settled for way too many jumpers . Josh hit some big jumpers but he still took to many. Bibby had his cold game tonight. Maybe he will have his hot game against the Raptors. I also think we should have went with Marvin a little more. He had his stroke going early. Would have been nice to feed him the ball a little more. I love Horford and his passion but he needs to cut down om some of that finger pointing and laughing at the opponents. Like I said its hard to complain after a huge win like that but it was a few things I did not like.

By Peter Griffin

November 5, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this

Holy frickin’ crap! 3-0!

By TheHawksFan

November 5, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this

Mannnnnn. The Hawks have it Crackalakin. Game ball to Ronald!!! Props to Woody for “Leaving” him in the Game. Joe Johnson is the leading Man for MVP so far in the young season. 1st President Obama now this. If this keeps up, I will never sober up…LOL. GOOOOOOOOOOO Hawks!!!!

By kwooden1

November 5, 2008 10:30 PM | Link to this

I wish I could have seen the game, but listening to the 4th quarter its almost like a complete different team. No more just give the ball to Joe and watch him go. Hugh shots by Marvin and Flip. Woody leaves Flip in the game, because he’s playing well, opposed to not trusting his bench!!! Flip/Mo is Rolling!!!

I could believe that the HAWKS would play tough tonight, but hold the Hornets to 79 points a home????

If Marvin keeps playing like this I’m not sure what the HAWKS are going to do with their salary structure. I’ve always believed you only can pay 3 players +10M a year, but they might have to find away to pay Marvin too.

GREAT WIN!

GO HAWKS!!!!!!

By HB Ando

November 5, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this

Who are these guys?

If this was a Major League Baseball playoff series we’d be a game away from the promised land.

Alas, it’s the third game of an 82-game series (which, as Ray and I discussed this evening, includes the Spurs being 0-3 right now; anyone willing to bet their house that the Spurs won’t make the playoffs?).

Got to like everything you’re seeing right now. As I said after the second win, what’s not to like?

Damn….

By CP3

November 5, 2008 10:41 PM | Link to this

I said it earlier today. If I lose, I will take my shots like a man and deal with it. Those Hawks took it to us and beat us fair and square. I hate losing, what can I say, so much for running circles on everybody.

By cp

November 5, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this

Josh played great defense on West all night. Marvin hit the boards hard and he played some great d. What is going on with Bibby and Law. Its nice to have a guy like Flip who can come in and produce but we really need Bibby and Law to step it up some. I still dont like Woodson pulling guys when they are having a good game. Marvin has to be more assertive. He has to demand the ball when he is playing the way he was early. Great win though. The Raptors game should be a great one also. This team is playing great defense. When we get everybody clicking (hopefully) we are going to be even more dangerous.

By Samuel

November 5, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

YYYYYEEEEESSSSS!!!! 3-0 Baby. I think it’s safe to say that these Hawks are 4real.

This team has so many weapons. Bibby was off but Flip comes in and takes up the slack. I guess you guys will continue to call for a trade but it aint happening. Why mess with what’s working. If anything, go after McDycee but don’t move anybody from our first 10 right now.

At some point you guys are gonna have to atmitt that Woody is a good coach. Defense wins and his way is working to PERFECTION right now. Come on, Give it Up.

By terrell barron

November 5, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this

Hey Kwooden, maybe we can sign Marvin for the same amount that we offered Chills? Would his agent go for that? Could he get more elsewhere? I would’nt sign him though, if we’d have to give up Flip-Mo, or Flip or Mo, in order to do so. Damn, that rhymed. lol!!

By HB Ando

November 5, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

Sautee, sorry I haven’t had time to give you a call back. I am up and available, this evening, if you want to call my mobile (I’d call the number you left me, but I don’t want to assume it’s not too late).

Ando

By Ryan

November 5, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this

THe difference between much of last year and these three games? I am seeing TEAM defense and bench contributiutions. If we can get anywhere near this bench contribution night in and out, how great will it be to have our starters with that much fresher legs at the end of the year?

By Freshmaker

November 5, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

Terrell, Marvin worked on his 3pt shooting like crazy over the summer. That’s why he’s nailing em now. Rathbun said his last 3pt shot was on Nov. 4 ‘07 lol…and now he nails 3 of em in one game. Go Hawks! :)

By ray

November 5, 2008 10:55 PM | Link to this

Damn! I was so riveted by that game, I couldn’t even run over to the computer to post throughout the whole thing!

First let me drop the thermostat down in Hades to frigid:

Mike Woodson seems to be doing a hell of a job. Much more timely substitutions and making full use of the bench. Nobody played 40 minutes tonight (Josh Smith came close) and 4 (that’s right, FOUR) guys came off the bench to play double figure minutes, with Flip playing a high of 25+. Not just that, but this team is playing terrific team defense. Now I notice Sam wants to give Woody credit for that, and he’s right…but where was this the last few years? I have to give Woody some credit, but I also have to say that the addition of some defensive-minded veterans deserves just as much. Fli/Mo has enhanced things quite a bit, augmenting that which guys like Horford, JJ, and Smith already had. Now it’s team defense instead of individual defensive efforts.

Josh Smith continues to impress, although he is turning the ball over at times and still taking some ill-advised shots. I wish he’d either get better with that damn long range shot, or leave it alone. However, I maintain that his positives FAR outweigh his negatives, and never has it been more apparent than this season. His scoring has taken a hit, but he doesn’t seem to be letting that be an issue. His blocks and steals have stayed about the same, for one thing. But for another thing: His rebounding has increased. Don’t look now, but through these first 3 games, you’re looking at a double-double guy. And we thought Horford might be the only one doing that. Josh is outrebounding him right now. Don’t be surprised if you see this turn into a season-long trend.

Horford is doing a hell of a job at center still. He’s not getting as many rebounds, but he’s still getting quite a few, and his assists are up. If he continues to work on refining his offensive game down on the post, we’ll see an increase in his scoring. Another Kudo for Woody: I noticed that we went to Horford again in the post. Hence the 4 assists. He’s still struggling with his form, but it will come. We need to go to him more. When your center is getting about 4 assists a game, it’s an indicator that running the offense through him on the regular is a good thing. Especially when he’s making good decisions.

Marvin played pretty good. I’m glad he did, too. His 3 point shot was on, that’s for certain. More importantly, he was being solid and straight up making plays on defense. That impresses me, along with the 7 rebounds. Marvin justified his minutes tonight, as Lacsho mentioned. What was nice about it was the fact that he played well enough for Evans to have to only come in for 17/18 minutes, hit some shots and play some “D”, then go back to the bench. I like that. That’s how the time should split on most nights.

Okay, it’s clear that Flip Murray is the new 6th man so far. I’d complain that he’s getting minutes that Acie should be getting…but you know what? Never look a gift scorer in the armpit. We’ve never had a guy like this, and I don’t care what anybody says about the dearly departed. This guy makes plays happen with the ball. And even if he averages 25 minutes a night all season…we’re still not burning him out.

Speaking of Acie, he’s playing well, but if things continue like this, we’re not going to see a lot from him. Can’t get into a rhythm if you’re not playing a lot. And let’s face it, when Acie is on the floor, he’s deferring to the veterans, and they are the ones doing all the scoring. When Acie is on the floor, he’s usually there with Flip, JJ, or somebody like that. He’s not going to score a whole lot because he’s supposed to be getting the ball to those guys. Fact is, he’s giving the ball up when he gets across the half court line, and that is by design. Other than that, he keeps the ball moving and tries to hit the shot when it swings to him and he’s open. That’s not his game at all (spot up shooter). So, I’d not say that he’s not proving himself. I’d say he’s going with the flow. And since we’re winning, that shouldn’t be seen as a bad thing.

Bibby didn’t have a wonderful game offensively (bad shooting again) with only 8 points and 4 assists. However, only 1 turnover and his contribution to the defensive effort was fairly solid. Again, we’re winning, so no big complaints from me. Besides, Flip picked up the slack.

Overall, we really did play some damn good team defense. David West was harassed enough by Smoove that he could not be the factor he normally is in the game. CP3 got his because he’s a superstar, but you know what? He really did not beat us up. He looked like an Eternal amongst a group of very ordinary mortals, and that’s what we needed it to be like to win. I have nothing really bad to say about our guys tonight, players and coaches alike.

Good win! This has a totally different feel to it than last year. Totally different. I don’t feel like we’ve stolen a single win so far. In fact, I feel like we’ve beaten these teams like they tried to steal something from us. And I look forward to it continuing. Who’s next?

By hawkeye

November 5, 2008 10:55 PM | Link to this

the hornets didn’t take us lightly. they used their starting lineup against us. it seems like we’re starting to earn respect in the league.

we’re 7-1 since the playoffs we beat boston thrice and we came up with a win against orlando, sixers and now the hornets. 3 of the toughest teams in the league. it seems we carried all the momentum since the playoffs. i’m having a good feeling with this team. i think we’ll be having a spectacular season if this guys continue to play with that momentum and improve their chemistry. the “Flip Mo” combination is for real. all we need to do now is hope that woodson will try to use our frontcourt reserves more often. i have a feeling that we have another weapon in “morris and hunter” that bench that we’re not yet using and taking advantage off. we’ll be a better team if these two guys sync. with Flip Mo. We’ll be having the best 2ng unit in the league if that happens.

Come on woody let make use of all those talent in that bench. let this team be more flexible and versatile

By Najeh Davenpoop

November 5, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

Two things I liked from this game: Al Horford looks a lot more comfortable in the post, and I think it’s only a matter of time before he becomes a go-to option there, and Marvin was looking much more assertive today, especially on defense and when going after rebounds. Both are great signs to see.

By ray

November 5, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

What, did I forget to mention JJ? Nope. His analysis goes without saying: dude is a stud, and should be a starter on this year’s Eastern Conference all-star team, the way he’s playing. Is there a guard playing better than him in the east right now?

Najeh, great acronym! You’d make MannyT proud as heck…

Samuel, you’ll have to settle for my caveat of “so far” with my Woody compliments, LOL! He is looking good…so far. Tell you what, this team seems to be handling adversity within the game quite well indeed. That’s got to be a mix of veterans, good coaching, and maturing young players. I don’t want them to lose a single game this season, but nobody goes 82-0, and we damn sure won’t. The truly telling part will be what we do when we lose. To be fair, it will tell not only about the growth of the head coach, but that of the players. But uhh…hold onto that coach of the year award for a second or two, will ya? Heh heh heh…

By Samuel

November 5, 2008 11:11 PM | Link to this

Dude,

You can forget that. We’re not playing 12 guys, nor should we. The only minutes they’ll get are garbage minutes. The formula is working, if you haven’t noticed.

Pass the Koolaid

By hawkeye

November 5, 2008 11:12 PM | Link to this

woodson coach of the year? LOL! :D i never thought i’d be hearing that from you guys.

By Ryan

November 5, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this

It doesn’t look liek they are forcing the scoring. if one person doesn’t work, they have enough options now that they just let someone else get in a Rhythm. Now having options like Murray et al probably helps considerably with that…

BUt its nice when JJ doesn’t HAVE to carry the team’s scoring on his shoulders all by his lonesome. When JJ is getting assists to go with his points, things are good.

Also, another great thing about having a bench: When a starter gets some fouls, you can sit him for a while and not worry about falling far behind. Being able to sit the starter for a while and avoid an extra foul or two is critical. COme last year, we might have been having a tired Joe JOhnson with five fouls on him at the end of the game. \

By Lacsho

November 5, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this

Ray

I only have two complaints about Woody.

1) Why take Marvin out when he’s on fire?

2) He should’ve substituted Flip for Bibby in the first half.

I was about to go in on Woody, but he left Flip in after he hit that big three in the fourth quater. That was the key for us. Man I bought this new laptop for Friday, and it’s allowing me to watch the game and type in peace….

I hope you guys can cut Marvin some slack now!!!

By hawkfan

November 5, 2008 11:32 PM | Link to this

i like how everybody is jumping on the bandwagon now that we are winning but during this summer ppl were bashing the hawks organization, woodson, rick sund who just came here, josh smith, etc. and saying how we will the laughing stock of the nba since we didnt get a big name or trade some of our players, well like i knew from the beginning chemistry works better than talented individual players, just like elton brand and the sixers, they thought they would be championship contenders already on paper, but the intensity from the playoffs helped a lot for us even though we didnt beat boston in game 7, maybe the blowout game woke guys up into saying hey i dont want to be embarrased anymore…i mean we’ve had our share of losing for the past decade and now we just have to think about winning and nothing else, our goal for this season should not be to make the playoffs by default but have a spot in them, right now we are confident that we can beat any team, at any given night and if we want to win more games that has to bbe our mindset, so i’m excited for this season but also cautious since in the nba you never know what can happen, also what is the role of speedy claxton? we don’t even need him anymore

By Hawks Fan In New Orleans

November 5, 2008 11:38 PM | Link to this

FROM BEHIND ENEMY LINES: What a stifling win for the Atown! Me and like 3 other Hawks fans were the only ones in the arena screaming in the 4th. Flip definitely picked up Bibby’s slack in the end and it was nice to see Marvin nail some clutch shots. JJ is an assassin - period.

By cp

November 6, 2008 12:05 AM | Link to this

Lacsho thats what I was saying earlier. Woodson did that a lot last season. Marvin could come out in the first quarter with 10 points but you just knew he was going to sit Marvin to bring Chills in. Marvin was on fire and I thought he should have left him in. We won the game but I still dont undersand that move. I still hate that we are shooting poorly from the free throw line. It has not cost us yet but we cant continue to shoot free throws at such a low clip.

By HB Ando

November 6, 2008 12:18 AM | Link to this

hawkfan, who is this “everybody” jumping on the bandwagon? The folks who have been optimistic are feeling justified. And the folks who had doubts are saying they’re impressed (as much as you can be after only 3 games).

Leading up to the start of the season, it’s fair to say that 2/3’s of the regulars were predicting .500 plus, and a trip to the playoffs. Those who were less convinced predicted just under .500 and an outcome just outside the top-8.

Again, the Spurs started 0-3, prior to beating Minny, in double overtime, tonight. Save all of us the babbling nonsense of bandwagon talk, with 79 games left.

I haven’t seen anyone try to minimize how good these first 3 wins have been. So don’t pretend anyone has been taught a lesson, at least until a playoff berth is locked.

We won’t know anything until the season is 25-30 games complete. The Hawks DID start last season 4-1, no?

That being said, this looks like a far more dangerous team. But crowing about early wins, or early losses, rarely has much of a relationship to the end result.

Last time I checked, a fast start, be it in the NBA, NFL or MLB, never promised a team a place in the playoffs.

Hopefully, the players on the Hawks will avoid the same kind of overreaction that some of the fans have had, about 3 great games. A big head is the quickest way to start a losing streak.

One game at a time is, and has always been, the best way to approach any competitive season.

As a Georgia alum, and fan, one only has to look at the way Alabama, under Coach Sabin, has approached their schedule, in a blue-collar, workman-like fashion.

Don’t believe your own hype. Don’t believe the media’s hype. Work hard and play every game like it’s the 7th game of the World Championship.

If Woody, and the Hawks’ players, can maintain that kind of intensity, and focus, they will exceed all expectations.

Little early for bandwagon talk.

By Ariose

November 6, 2008 12:55 AM | Link to this

…yup…and I actually meant 6-0 heh……boston is the 7th game lol…

MARVIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!..(Get Big Youg Fella…..Hard Work!!!!!)…nothing else need be said….he smacked us all in the face with that performance. Smack me again!!!!!!!

CP3 Where you at? Flip told you to get big……you did aight lol, but your team…..thats another story lol…….

The Hornets just aren’t the same without Jannero Pargo. I love Mike James…..he was great for Houston and that 04-05 Pistons squad that won the Chip’……but I just don’t think he’s the right fit for them……….Salim on the other hand….plays kinda like Pargo…..maybe they should look into that.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By The Truth

November 6, 2008 12:57 AM | Link to this

This Woody Marvin thing reminds me of MJ back in the day. They use to say, when MJ was unstoppable, the only person who could really stop him was Dean Smith. I’m not saying Marvin is MJ, but it is apparent to me, when he is hot, the person who is really stopping him is Woody. Even when Marvin was not scoring he was rebounding and very efficient on offense (much better than Stojakovic).

By The Truth

November 6, 2008 1:06 AM | Link to this

CP3, are you out there? Nice individual game, but you lost. I’ll say it again; go win the NBA championship, than come back and trash talk!

By ray

November 6, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

Can’t wait to see how we do against the Raptors. They present a different challenge than what we’ve faced so far, with O’Neal and Bosh in the frontcourt. Another chance for big Al and Josh to shine. Bosh is more dangerous than West, and O’Neal is much more offensively adept than Chandler. Calderon cannot be taken lightly.

Not only that, but there will also be an opportunity for some blog trash talking….those who has been paying attention for the last couple months or so will know what I’m talking about….it will be centered around two players, one Hawk and one Raptor…

By Ken Strickland

November 6, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this

ARIOSE-that’s what happens when ingorant, cowardly and/or fearful people, who are usually in deep denial, substitute their beliefs for reality. I can make a very persuasive argument for Jesus being the antichrist. It doesn’t have to be true, but one can believe it if it makes them feel better or justifies their preconceived notions or beliefs.

Has anyone noticed Iggy is struggling with Philly? This is the problem I said might affect certain players trying to adjust to the addition of a dynamic player to the starting lineup. On paper, the addition of EBrand looked very good for Philly. On the court, it hasn’t improve the team, and it’s actually caused Iggy to regress. This is a classic case of getting what you wanted, but losing what you had.

That’s why I’ve been preaching how the improvement of the Hawks, and the way they’ve achieved that improvement, will far outweigh the roster improvements or upgrades of other Eastern conference teams. I’ll say it again, IF WOODSON DOESN’T BECOME A NEGATIVE FACTOR, THE HAWKS CAN BE SCARY GOOD.