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By Sekou K Smith | Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 08:08 AM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Salim Stoudamire looks like a new man.

He literally looks brand new.

He’s got the ‘fro back. He’s smiling, not scowling.

And he sounds brand new, too.

It’s amazing what a change of scenery does for a man.

After waiting all summer to find a new home the former Hawks reserve guard has found one in San Antonio with the Spurs. He signed a two-year deal with the Western Conference power and moves into a place where there is a glaring need for some scoring punch off the bench.

“They invited me out there three times and let me know they were interested,” Stoudamire said. “They wanted to see how I could fit in with their guys. They knew I was talented but they wanted to see if they could incorporate that into their system. Then [three] days ago Gregg Popovich called me and told me how much he wanted me to come to San Antonio and we came to an agreement and that’s how I got there.”

After three tumultuous and disappointing seasons with the Hawks (he played in 61 games in each of his first two seasons but managed to make appearances in just 35 last year), Stoudamire knows his position in the league is tenuous, at best, right now. That’s why he isn’t taking anything for granted.

“This is definitely my second chance and it might be my last chance,” Stoudamire said. “But I know how to turn negatives into a positive. After these three years in Atlanta I can say that I’ve finally become a man. Being in a situation where I wasn’t playing, it humbled me. It made me appreciate just being in the NBA a lot more. It made me work a lot harder and realize that this is a blessing. There are only 400 and something guys in the NBA and billions of people in the world. So once you take that into account, your focus is there, your clarity is there and you can move forward.”

Stoudamire leaves the Hawks without cashing in on all the potential he showed, but with a chance to seize an opportunity elsewhere (and when it’s with a perennial powerhouse that routinely plays deep into the playoffs, it’s hard to ask for a better situation).

And even though he’ll be focused on his new job and new challenges, he insists he’ll keep tabs on things in Atlanta.

“I’m definitely going to keep a close eye on the Hawks,” he said. “I still feel connected here. I want to see the best for everyone involved. Not only for the players but also for the coaches, the trainers and especially the fans. I just finally want to see Atlanta basketball reach that consistent level of playing well. I saw how far we came in the three years I was here, from barely winning to making the playoffs and getting everybody energized and caught up in what we’re we doing. And it’s really a beautiful thing to come from the bottom up and have that kind of success.”

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By Swatguy

September 23, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

Positivity baby yeah !!! That is what I think when I here of Salim. I have had the opportunity to talk with him in the past and I found him to be a young man with a good heart. There is no doubt he will go far with his attitude.

I believe he was the more misunderstood athletes in this city. Keep the positive vibes Slim.

By JB

September 23, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

Best wishes to Salim. Between the lines, I’m getting a feeling of maturity. Wish we coulda used him better, but as they say, when the student is ready, the teacher will appear.

By darblue

September 23, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

bluedar first?!?!? salim’s first name should be jack. because all he does is JACK up bricks from all over the court. salim = overrated, shoot-first, bad handler, underachieving off-guard. shot shot shot, clank clank clank. enjoy keeping the seats warm in san antonio buddy, we won’t miss you.

By ant banks

September 23, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Kudos to salim. sorry that woody was too ignorant to develop your talents…now if you go to sa and start doing the same things then we will know it wasn’t all woody.

salim did have attitude issues and he struggled on the defensive end…

By WOODY D COACH

September 23, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

Thats what he needs ..A change of scenery. He came in with a chip on his shoulder. Now he can be humble and play like a team instead of feeling it was his God given right to heave up 3’s everytime he touches the ball…

By Astro Joe

September 23, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

Congrats to Salim. I truly hope that he does well in SA with Popovich yelling in his ear and demanding the best. That’s probably a great place for him, if he can find playing time (which I personally doubt). I, too, would love to see Salim light up the Hawks for a double-nickel (in a losing effort) this coming season. But only if Woodrow is still on the bench.

By terrell barron

September 23, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

He wont get much time there. Popovich preaches Defense, Defense, Defense. And I dont think about Defense, when I think of Salim. Good luck though. Shoulda went to OC, where he’d get some minutes.

By doc

September 23, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

i have always really liked the guy and wish that his demons if present and part of his issues here are gone and he can fit and get the confidence he deserves.

sekou, you probably just made someone’s day and figure that someone just creamed on themselves.

heh heh ;-))

By falcon29841

September 23, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

He’s good enough to go to a Championship team, but he isnt good enough for the bottom of the heap. Wander if we have the right people running the show. Were the minor league for other teams. Good look Salim and J-Chill

By dj

September 23, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

bluedar you are a fool me as an ATLien and successful young ni99a recognize your kind as what we like to call a “HATER”

a HATER is someone that sees a person talented, blessed, rich, or just generally looking, feeling good, and instead of doing the human nature thing of being happy for the success of another man, instead of understanding that man’s reality seeing what he went through to get to his successful position, you furrow your eyebrows talking slick spreading negativity and satan’s lies for purely self-destructive reasons.

salim stoudamire is a great guard player, shooter, and if you ever met him even a hater would say he’s a great guy with a positive vibe, a non-complaining attitude and a leader in his community. he will be great with the spurs

the hawks are going to have their best season in more than 20 years this season; 47-50 WINS I AM WILLING TO BET MY NAME ON THAT

GREAT NEW HAWKS BLOG HERE, FEEDBACK

By dj

September 23, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

bluedar you are a fool me as an ATLien and successful young ni99a recognize your kind as what we like to call a “HATER”

the hawks are going to have their best season in more than 20 years this season; 47-50 WINS I AM WILLING TO BET MY NAME ON THAT

GREAT NEW HAWKS BLOG HERE, FEEDBACK

By Ariose

September 23, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

POP will teach Salim how to be a better defender. Goog to see Salim taking the high road unlike some people coughwoodsoncough. Now he gets to play for a REAL coach…..good luck to him.

You KNOW i’ll be posting his stats….

~SalimFan Sir Links A Lot

By one66soul

September 23, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

Got this news yesterday, Salim is perfect fit for a run and gun team like PHX, G-State, Woody does not know his personell and should have played salim more but woody does not like to run. The Spurs run the break effectively and Salim will be a good pick up for them when tony drives and kicks it out and or when duncan is doubled and triple teamed. Pop will work around his defense liabilities.

By Ariose

September 23, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

Doc…….Daaawg,…….Low Blow……lol.

Y’all watch out for the fro’ too. He’s like samson with that thing. I feel sorry for his defenders this season.

~SalimFan Sir Links A Lot

By LL Cool Scott

September 23, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

LL always loved him some Salim. Oh well, he goes the way of John Battle, Ed Gray, and the beloved Snoop Graham. No defense, no passing, just shooting. That’s the kind of basketball LL used to play!!!

By terrell barron

September 23, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

Falcon 29841, Jauque Vaughn also left Atlanta for San Antonio. What’s your point?

By one66soul

September 23, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

@LL

lol. Salim is much better than Ed Gray & Snoop Graham(Snoops haircut was the worst)

By ray

September 23, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

I’m glad Salim got a spot. Now you know we’re gonna be hollering when he starts putting up numbers down there. No doubt he was ill-used there. No doubt he had some attitude issues (and if you want a history lesson on that, ask Lute Olson who asked him to leave at one point). And yet, I feel like he can get past all that and produce in a role that he was designed for. We shall see, ‘cause it’s on him now.

By Ariose

September 23, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Amen, Ray. Amen…….Hell yeah I’ll bash woody so ba…..um it might not happen if I talk about it too much lol.

~SalimFan Sir Links A Lot

By Tyger

September 23, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

Sad State of Affairs

When you lose an extraordinary talent like Salim without any benefit whatsoever, it’s a sad reflection on the franchise.

But mostly on Coach Woody, who refused to give the kid a fair break, he never seemed above the fray and remained petty and bitter like a lil’ beotch.

We all watched Salim bust his chops to improve his defense, ball handling and shot selection to no avail. The kid couldnt work his way out of the doghouse and thats unfair.

I hope Solomon is headed down the same path, both of these kids rounded out some of the best drafts the Hawks had in 20 years but could not fully take advantage of for the lack of Woody’s vision.

Now, as usual, looks like other franchises will reap the benefit of Atlanta’s players.

I still dont understand why these guys couldnt get 2 min a quarter.

By Jimbo

September 23, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

If Salim goes to the Spurs and they win a championship this coming season with him playing a noticeable role, I’M GONNA BLOW MY HEAD OFF!

By ray

September 23, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

Ant Banks,

You know, my first inclination was to hop on the wrong foot and get straight dirty wit ya. But then I realized how/why I managed to pi$$ you off. I addressed the post to you, but I wasn’t directing those animated comments toward you. I should have used the word “they” instead of the word “you”, but I was already carried away with my diatribe. I apologize for causing that misunderstanding. It was a poor choice of pronouns.

Actually, I was addressing a minor part of your post:

“I don’t want to hear that patriotic crap.”

The first thing I thought of was Josh Howard (and his recent unpatriotic comments), not Olympic Gold vs. NBA Championship. I meant it early on as a smart-a$$ joke, kinda like hey, if you don’t want to hear anything patriotic, Howard’s the guy to listen to right about now. Then I got angry, thinking about him and several other well-off people who have the same sentiments. If you recall I mentioned Hollywood as another source of “I hate America and the way America does things” sentiments. It makes me sick, because it’s usually the people with the most money and most lavish lifestyles that are saying that. These are the people that enjoy the most of what the american lifestyle and opportunity has to offer. Anyway, I could go on with this forever.

As for knowing our history. Do not presume to think that I do not know it. I know of Medgar Evars. We can talk that all day long, as you said. Go back further to Booker T. Washington. Or Frederick Douglas, who taught himself to read. Or Crispus Attucks. Not a civil rights person in the more popular vein of history, but a difference maker all the same. And who really invented the light bulb? But I digress. Suffice it to say that I am not the uneducated fool you think me to be.

As for how good we have it, your argument has much merit…if we were talking about the same thing. I am talking about how good Americans as a whole have it compared to so many other countries. We’ve already seen the human rights issues in China. How many of us are born to war torn areas like Serbia? Do we wake up each morning to the Gaza Strip? I think not. And our poverty is an example of our own avarice and uncaring ways where dog eats dog.

But you do not speak of Americans. You speak of black Americans. And you speak of the past. I will not and cannot diminish the pain and reality of the past, but I also will not claim it to be my personal past. It is where our culture has come from and come through that defines where we are now. Many monstrosities and horrors befell blacks in years past at the hands of other races. No one can deny that. And they didn’t just happen in Alabama and Mississippi. Everywhere.

And now they continue to happen, only at the hands of our very own brethren. Heh. Especially in the “mother land”. You know what I’m talking about, too. But to tell me we don’t have it good? Man please. Were you forced to join our military? Were you not allowed to discharge if you chose? Are you dodging lynch mobs while picking cotton for a living for somebody who owns your a$$? I’m not. This very fall/winter, we may see the first black president. Tell me that is not progression. No, those before us did not have it good. But Josh Howard does, doesn’t he? Perhaps he needs to talk to Jackie Robinson or Satchel Page about the priveleges and luxuries he has. Or Hank Aaron. Had any one of them said what he said, where would they be? Tell me that.

So are we going to honor the sacrifices they made for us by continuing to progress, or are we going to waste it by lamenting that which we did not have to endure?

I apologize for using the wrong words and sending the wrong signals. It was my fault. But you don’t know me. I ain’t Jigga, and I ain’t Uncle Tom. That $hit ain’t right. I’ll refrain from using the usual posturing and what not. This is the internet, after all and it is useless here. But I think you get the idea. Peace.

By doc

September 23, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

ariose, heh heh

how was it?

By ray

September 23, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

You know, the more I look at this situation, the more I think this is a win-win situation for Salim.

It’s not just a change of scenery. We know scenery is what you see at first, not necessarily the true substance. If Popovich told Salim that he wanted him there, then he has a role in mind for him. San Antonio is hurting for players. They haven’t been in years. Poppovich must have an idea in mind on how to really bring about and use Salim’s talents.

And Popovich will demand the best. But you know he’s willing to work all the way through with a player. It took some hard work and some years to get where he is with Parker and Ginobilli. Remember, both of those guys were wild as hell and running all over the court like crazy. Used to drive Pops crazy. Now look at ‘em. Salim’s in a good place, and he’ll get to do what he does best, I think.

As for defense, all he really has to do is learn how to play within and effective team defense. That, and hold his own from time to time as necessary. But he’ll always have help. And one hell of a coach.

One major thing I like about what he said is that he realizes it’s a gift to be in the NBA. Better a little later than never at all. Too many guys don’t have that attitude. But I’ll leave that alone for now…

Hopefully Salim takes a turn so much for the better that he gives Ariose “I told ya so” rights….hehe heheheheheheh…

By I.MUS WRITE

September 23, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

Ant Banks -From the last blog…. We are all aware of what took place during the civil rights movement. In no way am i down playing the Emmit Till murder or the church bombings …..but jeezus man that was 60 years ago…. Can we move on? That was soooooooo long ago

Truthfully ive been wronged by my own race more than any white man could ever do. A white man has never robbed me at gun point,broke in my car, broke in my house, stole jewlery/credit cards or costed me 2grand by forging my name…………But my own peolpe have.

Im tired of hearing that the “white man” is the cause of everything thats wrong in the black community…. Theres good and bad in all races, I’ve been in sum serious conflicts during my military days (Haiti,Somalia) and right there next to me there were white/spanish guys who had my back til the end.

If you’ve never been in that situation I dont expect you to understand that type of bond. One guy in particual who i served in Somalia with named his daugher after me …well really close to mine and im her god father too….After 9 months in the bush -When i saw her little green eyez _I.Mus got kinda glossy eyed……………………..Okay im getting emotional

Banks lets stick to hoops homie -dont go all malcom X on us here is what im tryn to say…..

By ray

September 23, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

By the way, Ant, my younger brother is in Iraq now. And my deceased father was a Vietnam vet. So yes, I know exactly how much of a pawn our soldiers are in these battles. In fact, there isn’t much difference in the two wars, although the “interest” is not the exact same thing. Still, I support our military. Without them….

By ray

September 23, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

I.Mus,

Nothing compares to the bond forged in combat. Especially in military warfare. I’ve been through “conflicts” but I won’t pretend to be where you were. I can’t express anything but appreciation for what you’ve done for this country.

And I don’t want to pile on Ant, ‘cause it’s not right and I don’t hate the guy. But everything you said is true. We are making history right now. What then shall be said of us, that we clung to the pain of a past that most of us have not experienced, fearing opportunity and effort, or that we pushed on through to an even brighter future, capitalizing on that which our predecessors worked so hard for, knowing that they themselves would not be around to reap the benefits of their own efforts?

Sorry for the run-on sentence….and back to hoops…

By kwooden1

September 23, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

I’m very happy for Salim, and I hope that he can be really effective with the Spurs. They definitely need some more scoring, with Ginobilli being out for a while and also he fits the mold of Nick the Quick who they had a few years ago. I also agree that Salim just has to fit in with the Spurs team defense concept. I’ve never heard anyone saying that Tony Parker is a great defender, but he does just fine with 2 first team All NBA Defensive Team players around him. If Salim plays hard and sticks with what Pop wants he will do just fine, if he reaches his potential than the Spurs will have made out like bandits. Go Salim!

GO HAWKS!

By bwtbird

September 23, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

The fascination with an undersized, non-playmaking…one dimensional streak shooter is fascinating. Who does he guard if you play him as a 2? Have the Hawks ever had a big point where a cross matchup could be utilized? How much interest did he generate on the open market? Sure he signed a contract with the spurs and could provide them with scoring off the bench…but who was he better than on the Hawks??? Chills? JJ? Bibby? I agree that in certain situations he possibly could have proveided a lift off the bench but to make out like he is some star that was totally kept under wraps is not based on any realistic veiw of the guy’s abilities.

By James

September 23, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Good move for Salim. Remember Tracy McGrady could not get off the bench in Toronto. Some teams are not a good fit for a particular player. I am impressed with how he left and what he said. He is real class person.

By ray

September 23, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Hmmm. So where will Marbury go, and how will he play?

Do the Blazers even need to bother with Shaun Livingston? They’re loaded. Yet, another asset is another asset.

By ant banks

September 23, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

ray and I.mus all this started when ray went of on me cause i said that kobe was lying when he said that olympic gold was better than a ring. he said i was being unpatriotic.

there is no way that barkley and ewing are happier with their gold instead of a championship, that doesn’t make them unpatriotic, tho. but if asked by the media, they better say that they are happier with olympic gold because people like ray will freak out.

so ray and imus, i ask you…would a bball player be happier with olympic gold or a championship. i tend to believe the championship. i bet barkley and ewing would trade thiers in for an nba championship and it ain’t got nothin’ to do with being unpatriotic.

By Ariose

September 23, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

Ray, Pop tried to make Damon stoudamire come off the bench as the Gunner last season. It didn’t work out b/c damon is more of a playmaker than a shooter(Jaque vaughn was the backup PG so they often played them both at the same time). Salim is much more suited for the job.

My hunch is that Damon put the word out for his lil cuz just like he did to get Salim his scholarship at Arizona. Of course Damon wants a job too but he knows his time is almost over and the spurs already had the backup role he need to be in there in order for him to be succesful filled (He states this in a recent interview I was reading).

Damon Is a class act……salim has also done a lot of growing up and soul searching. Yes we all know his arrogance and disdain for those teams who hadn’t realized he was the second coming of basketballs version of Jesus when he first came into the leage was…well out of hand. But I digress, time moves on and he’s still a beast so you can all keep with the theme of this blog and talk about how awsome Salim is lol. That includes you Doc…….you closet SalimFan hehehe.

~SalimFan Sir Links A Lot

By I.MUS WRITE

September 23, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Ant -I didnt see that part of your post…..Most players are gonna say whats politically correct..but at the end of the day itz all about the Jim O’brian Trophy. Behind closed doors ask K.G. which means the most to him,I gaurantee itz the ring.

Behind closed doors ask Kobe the same and it would be the ring all day….That boi iz just waiting to when another ring -so he can ask Shaq how his azz taste.

Until kobe wins another title it will foreva be”He won those rings because of Shaq” and I tend to agree…..

U know he wants the monkey off his back bad…….

By Astro Joe

September 23, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

Ant, Barkley and Ewing don’t have both “trophies” to make the comparison. I can’t compare driving a Ford vs. a Bentley Coupe because I have only driven a Ford. Now if someone wants to hand over the keys to a Bentley, I’ll be glad to offer an informed opinion (after about 6-9 months of careful and thoughtful analysis of the Bentley).

With all that said, I’m guessing that Kobe enjoyed the gold medal more than the NBA championship because he enjoyed his teammates more and because he enjoyed his role on the team more. He clearly wanted a bigger role on the Shaq-led teams and he clearly had some beef as a younger “holier than thou” player. Now, he likely has a better appreciation for team success than he did back then.

As someone without either acheivement, I would have thought an NBA title would trump a gold medal. And I’m guessing that others who have earned both may disagree with Kobe. But I do believe that Kobe enjoyed the Olympics more.

By Classy Cat

September 23, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

really classy parting comments from Salim - he mentioned he became a man here in Atlanta - had he been willing to bust it on the defensive end he might still be here but he admits he was a bit immature - he didn’t respect Woody like he should have but it looks like Pop, with his credentials, has struck a chord with him - I hope he can stay for a few more contracts

By bluedar

September 23, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

you silly. I don’t hate on people - Salim, as a real life person, is probably a wonderful guy. Indeed, I am quite happy for the young man that another team sees fit that he gets a guaranteed contract and a chance to contribute.

I was merely commenting that Salim - the basketball player - is extremely overrated. He was hyped as a sleeper who dropped when we took him with the first pick of the 2nd round, and he has done nothing to prove he belongs in the league.

He is a one dimensional player who falls in love with the 3 point bomb, and doesn’t even shoot it that well. He doesn’t get his teammates involved on offense and is not strong enough to defend bigger guards. Guys like him are a dime a dozen, so I said thanks for your service, next.

How’s that hating? If Chad Ford at ESPN wrote that it would be a scouting report. There’s a reason he sits on the bench all game and doesn’t start. Guess what? Somebody has to play off the bench in the NBA, and he’s one of those guys. But if I write it I am hating on the guy. I think he is overrated as a bball player, good luck to him in S.A. and I’m sure we’ll be better off w/o him. It’s called critiquing, not hating.

bluedar not 1st. ps - if you think hawks are winning 50 games in an improved east after we lost childress and added only evans/flip you are out of your mind.

By N YO FACE

September 23, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

Look for Salim to light up Phillips on the Spurs trip to ATL!!!!

By ray

September 23, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

Ant, I wasn’t going off on you. And I didn’t say you were being unpatriotic. You were the one who said you didn’t want to hear any patriotic stuff. I simply said that if that’s the case, then Josh Howard is who you want to listen to (and I say again, it was a sarcastic joke). I was going off on Josh Howard. I didn’t address the main crux of your post, and in retrospect, I admit that it did look like I was going off on YOU. That’s how we got off on the wrong foot. I can’t do any better than that. You can believe me or you can not. If you’re going to hold a grudge that’s fine too. Can’t stop ya.

To address your question: I agree in the belief that NBA players want that O’Brien trophy more than Olympic Gold medals. And why not? You don’t come to the NBA for the sake of trying to win in the Olympics. Furthermore, how many b-ball players in the league have a shot at even being invited to the team? Let’s be real. You can’t just be the best-of-the-best. You gotta be Jerry Colangelo approved. And like it or not, right or wrong….Colangelo and others put together a team that took the gold back. Which means he still gets to call those shots as long as he wants. ‘Nuff said.

I have to agree with points that Astro Joe and I.Mus made:

Kobe definitely wants to win the championship as the undisputed leader of his team. At the same time, he probably did enjoy his experience in the Olympics more than he did some of his championship days with Shaq hogging all the glory. But then, is it Shaq’s fault or Kobe’s that this might be the case? Who cares. And to add another twist: would it not be easier to say what he did about the Olympics when he’s already got two NBA Championship rings? I mean, any player with a couple of rings would have no problems saying such a thing, having achieved both monumental goals.

I won’t even get into Ewing and Barkley.

By ray

September 23, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

Joe, you kill me with your analogies. You always seem to gravitate towards using cars or hot women. Ah yes, priorities, LOL!

Ariose, I wish the guy the best of luck. He’s not the only player to get a bad run here. I notice some people are quick to say that dude just wasn’t worth anything and wasn’t better than anybody else on the roster. I can’t say I believe that entirely. What some people don’t seem to understand is that all that has EVER mattered is what Woody thinks. This is a coach who admitted to doing things his own damn way despite what all of his assistants were trying to tell him. If he didn’t like what a guy was doing, the guy was toast.

On the flip side, Salim is not one of those transcendant talents that makes you put him on the floor. I do think he was a bad fit here because he was drafted when we should have been drafting another type of player. To add to the matter, he was playing for a coach that doesn’t know to use him properly. And in all fairness, Salim is a guy you bring in to do a job: shoot the ball and spread the defense. He is not a guy you bring in to cram into the pg role. He’s a guy you add to the roster with that specified role. We have not had that kind of roster in the past, so that kind of took away the idea of using him as he should be used.

You see (and I’m sure everyone does), we had so many issues in so many places (most specifically at pg) for so damn long that we probably couldn’t have used Salim the right way anyhow. In the end, he learned some lessons and got some focus. He’s still plenty young. I think he’ll be fine.

In the NBA, there are stars, and there are role players. The stars know who they are most of the time. It’s the role players who have to learn.

By ray

September 23, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

Contrary to opinion, I could give a rat’s balls whether any NBA player wants a championship or an Olympic gold medal…

When it comes to the Hawks, I’d rather each and every one of them be focused on winning the NBA championship. Of course, that ain’t the focus right now, as it is not realistic. But you get the point.

By richbrave

September 23, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

Gonna’ try to weasel a ticket to see the WIZARDS first practice here on Saturday. I’ll get back to you.

By terrell barron

September 23, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

Tyger, are you serious? Extraordinary talent? Salim? You’ve got to be joking? He’s not the worst player in the league, I give him that, but extraordinary, he’s not.

By MannyT

September 23, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

Dropping in with a few observations.

Canniblogging takes us in all sorts of non-hoops directions. It always makes a long stop at a station of personal attack. Nice to see it veer back to a decent place.
I am happy for Salim and Ariose. I am also glad that he is growing the hair again. He and Matt Walsh gave up their hair to be more acceptable and both their games went into the tank.
I agree that Pop will find more use for Salim than Woody did. That says something about both as coaches. I’ll stop there because I’m not the bitter type. The fan in me needs Woody to be better this season.
From prior blog, Ant Banks that question about the cost of replacing Chills with Murray and Evans is not really a fair one. We do not have a NBA value for Chills contract. Had he been courted from the start, I firmly believe he would have signed here for well less than he took to go to Greece. Also resigning him may not have eliminated the Hawks from signing one of Evans/Murray. May have then been a question of available cap space and perception of playing time.
I knew y’all really did care about the Olympics more than you let on. For every athlete that was there who doesn’t make millions in their sport, it is bigger than the annual championship. Bill Russell has 11 NBA rings. Even if pros were allowed to play then, he would have at most 5 or 6 Olympic medals (even if he started playing in college.) Scarcity has a strong correlation to value.
One unrelated, but really cool side note. With that Google Chrome browser, you can adjust the size of the comment block for the blog. That is sooooo cool!

Next week, camp starts—gladness from the madness.

BWAF

By Ariose

September 23, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

Bluedar, You my friend are an idoit. What kind of factual evidence do you have? The guy only played 400 minuets this season. Joe Johnson racks that up in 10 games you baffoon. If he was overrated then some experts wouldn’t have predicted him to drop into the second round. He wasn’t the best shooter in college basketball for nothing.

I Don’t disagree with your premis, that he’s better off not being a Hawk, but the guy was never overrated. I can’t count how many games he single handedly won for Arizona. Not to mention in the NBA given the proper time, he can get you 30pts in a heartbeat.

Now Childress with the 6th pick was overrated. Billy really messed up with that one. Marvin also was overrated (I want Rudy Gay right now). But to call a 31st pick overrated??? OK Buddy, we’ll see. You know it’s funny b/c his current teammates Parker and Ginobili were also drafted in the second round……and Parker Still can’t shoot……or pass for that matter. The difference is SA has a legit NBA coach while we’re stuck with a D-leauge scrub.

~SalimFan Sir Link A Lot

By Lacsho

September 23, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this

Ando Where are you? I’m patiently waiting to take your money.

Imus

I feel you; I’m a Dessert Storm Vet. Everyone knows about the camaraderie between ones fellow soldier, but don’t get it twisted Racism is at an all time high. That’s why they project Obama will have problems, because there are a lot of white people who could never accept a black man as being president. I’ve experienced racism from professors at school, and I experienced it with the police, lastly I’ve experienced it in the corporate world. I don’t like to hear my people making excuses, stating the white man is holding me back. Honestly, I accepted the fact that as a black man, I have to work twice as hard, and be twice as smart to get what I want in this cruel world. (It is what it is). I make know excuses; I just get the job done. I�ll never forget the day, when I was stationed in Germany, and my mother sent me a care package. She told me she wasn�t doing to well. You see a week before she sent the package, a white man spit in her face and called her a n*gger. The only thing I could do was cry, because I was 14 hours away. I sat on my bed thinking, I�m fighting for a country, which will never see me as an equal.

Now as far as Salim, I really don’t think he was a good fit for this team. I like Salim as a human being, but to me he didn’t buy into the team concept. It’s not hard being a good defense of player; it takes drive, determination, and hustle. Salim never worked on that part of his game. He’s always been a good shooter, but he never developed his full game, as a hawk.

By Ariose

September 23, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

Thanks Manny, Looks like I just Canniblogged lol……and blasted Woody in the process…..now thats what I call team spirit hehehehehe……

-I also beleive that Mo and Flip more than cover for chills’ sake. Remember at the end of games(Before Bibby) when Joe was double teamed and no one else on the floor could hit an open jumpshot??? Yup rough times.

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By Samuel

September 23, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this

I am happy that Salim found a job. I hate to see anybody out of work. But let’s be serious, he will get no more than 10-15 minites per game, if that.

I see my OLE BUDDY(Clarence) is up to his old tricks.

Cuz, I would really love to see you get on the horn and get an interview with KG or Paul Pierce. I would love to hear their take on the Hawks’ last year’s playoff run and their off season moves.

By Ariose

September 23, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

Uh-oh…..Greek Fans’ starting to question Chidress’s game….I mean we knew he wasn’t a shooter, but did they???

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By ray

September 23, 2008 7:34 PM | Link to this

MannyT, I’ve kinda gotten to the point where I just figure Murray and Evans aren’t replacements for Childress. They are additions to the team that change the overall makeup of the team. Which of the two will come off of the bench first? Will the first person off the bench even be either of those guys? It’s not fair to judge them as replacements as both guys bring different things to the table and will play different roles….separately. What matters is how they’re used and how they respond/perform.

One positive thing that cannot be ignored: two healthy and capable players is better than just one. Yeah, I appreciate what Chills brought to this team. He came off the bench and played starter’s minutes. But I’m not going to judge these guys and their performances by what Chills used to do. They don’t do all of the same things, and certainly not all the same ways.

I understand your point about Woody. That’s a good tack to take.

Lacsho, I hate stories like that. It’s a shame that we can’t get past these things. Well, some of us can’t anyway. And for that reason, they continue to plague the rest of us with it. Depressing. But gotta keep ya head up.

The b-ball festivities are coming up in a week. I’ll be hanging on your every word…

By ray

September 23, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this

I’m really wondering where Marbury is going to end up and will he be anything like his old self? Dude used to be straight up nasty, and showed out well in the Olympics a few years back….I remember KG really liked him when he was in Minnesota. Now that’s an endorsement…

By Ariose

September 23, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this

Umm ray, Did you read that article where KG said Marbury was selfish?? You Have to Read This

It really rubbed me the wrong way b/c I’ve Been Hollering for Jamel to be in the leauge since he got snubbed on draft day. Stabury burns a lot of bridges with people. I wouldn’t want him on my team. Very good penetrator but meh…..whatever.

One guy at the training center on Monday said the uneasiness of the other Knicks veterans when Marbury was around was palpable. There was just a sense of disdain. “You could just feel the hate,” he told me. Full Article…

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By Missouri Hawks Fan

September 23, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

Good for you Salim. I hope you will have a chance to play for Pops. I am just disappointed you never had the opportunity to show us what you could do in Atlanta. Needless to say I was not the only unhappy person when the Woodson was rehired. All I had to do was read our Blog. Sekou keep up the great work, I appreciate it up here in Missouri, as you are my main source of information concerning the Hawks. To all the posters, I appreciate some of the great insight that you are able to give.

By Ken Strickland

September 23, 2008 8:37 PM | Link to this

TERRELL BARRON-Salim will likely replace his cousin, who wasn’t known for his DEF. Besides, if POP thought Salim’s DEF would be a problem, I’m sure he wouldn’t have signed him.

With the obvious off season progression and positive attitudes of Horford, Marvin, Solo and Josh, we should see what we have in RMorris before the season begins. Also, an improved Solo and the addition of Morris, along with this being a contract yr, should light a fire under Zaza.

I hope Woodson realizes if he messes up this this yr, he’ll never get another chance at being an NBA HC.

By ray

September 23, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this

Ariose, no I hadn’t seen that. The last thing I heard Garnett say about Steph was years back right after Steph left the T-Wolves. Garnett was lamenting his lack of a sufficient running partner, and talked about how Marbury was a “predator” on the court. Since then, I haven’t kept up. Looks like I’m way behind. I can’t blame him for calling Marbury selfish now…

By ray

September 23, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this

Ariose, that’s a very interesting link. I wonder if Garnett knows about these “direct quotes” that he allegedly made. I’m just sayin’….

As for Starbury being selfish, I can believe that. Doesn’t mean he still is, I don’t know the guy. And I really don’t know what’s been going on with him in NY, to be honest. I don’t think he’s just an innocent in all of this either. But there’s never been any denying of his talent. Dude’s got skills…well, whether or not he still has them remains to be seen. But he has had them.

By blue hawk

September 23, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

Man,

I don’t understand how you can not use a guy who shoots 50.4% from long distance, a guy who can score for you in bunches.

Why can a Boobie Gibson or a Damon Jones get to play a ton of minutes while A Salim Stoudamire can’t?

Why can’t he be on the floor? Because of his poor defense? Well how many points do you think he will give up as oppossed to the number of threes that he will put up on the board. The net effect would have almost always been positive. And in this age of zone defense (as well as other types of defense) you can cover for his weaknesses.

Man, talk about suboptimal coaching. How many of you guys would say that Woodson has a below average basketball IQ?

Too bad for us eh.

By Astro Joe

September 23, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

Ray, when it comes to blogging, I’ll gladly portray myself as being as shallow as a Walmart kiddie pool. Women, sports, women, cars, women and food… the important priorities of life. Oh yeah, and some fine women.

By blue hawk

September 23, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this

wow, just read the news about Childress in Greece.

Makes me me wonder…how soon would we be able to get him back in the line-up? I mean we still have his rights and all, right?

By Don!

September 23, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

I really hope (and expect) for Salim to do well with the Spurs. I couldn’t have imagined a better match of team, coaching and player.

I really wish he had received a fair shake here, and in many respects he did, but with the Hawks — there just wasn’t a match. And it was never about talent, as much as it was chemistry.

Chemistry is the one thing all good teams have, and that the Hawks have lacked over the past few years. It’s that thing that makes teams better than the sum of their parts — and something that I hope this year’s Hawks find in Atlanta while Salim melds into the outstanding chemistry of the Spurs.

Best of luck in the 80 games of the season you’re not playing the Hawks, Salim!

Later,

Don!

By Ariose

September 23, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this

Ray, Ther’s no denying Starbury got game lol…..I just took it personall b/c im a closet Providence fan and Jamel Thomas (Telfairs older brother) was my guy back then. Serious game 22 points per.

I don’t know what happend in NY (Him thretening Isisah like that was really bizzare to say the least) I know his father had just died and all. Maybe he just needs a change in scenery. Going home doesn’t work for everyone (let’s see how “The Baron” turns out).

I think Miami would be a great spot for him, Pat Riley demands the best and I know Steph’ can handle that. Let’ just hope its a case of him being misunderstood and not leterally being a person of questionable character.

…..and KG talks so much you never know what he’s said before lol. But you’re probably right since the conversation was so long ago…

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By richbrave

September 23, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this

SALIM FAN:

Whither thou now?

By richbrave

September 23, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this

LASCHO:

There will always be people of intolerance in every color and circumstance. Humans being what they are. Imperfect. Its life unfortunately. Not disputing what you said, but the circumstances you describe occur daily all over the world on both sides of the fence. People of good will must rise above such petty impulses.

By Ariose

September 23, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this

RicheB: Thou est now a Hawkspur

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By doc

September 23, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this

aj, luv ya man. funny. guess i can say it takes one to know one or shallow is as shallow does.

By Ariose

September 23, 2008 11:32 PM | Link to this

Sekou, What was Salim doing in atlanta??? Just moving??? I know he wasn’t here training this summer…..or any summer for that matter. Was he just giving his goodbye’s to his former teammates????

By NumbaOneFan

September 23, 2008 11:50 PM | Link to this

Hey Blue Hawk there is no doubt Woody is a dumma$$ and has an IQ comparable to my left nut. Woody’s days are numbered if the Hawks stumble out of the gate. This team is deep enough in talent to make a serious playoff run in the east. This club is very athletic and if coached up even a litlle can cause some serious problems for any team in a 7 game series. With the talent currently assembled on this roster it’s going to be interestin “if” they can stay away from injuries and Woody can get his head outta his a$$. Not to wish this team bad luck but I would personally be willing to swallow a 1-10 start in order to get Woody canned.

By kirknga

September 23, 2008 11:57 PM | Link to this

I’m glad to see Salim land an opportunity, and a great one at that. Contrary to what some have opined, Salim has the talent to play in the NBA on both sides of the ball.

I believe he will find the demands of playing for a champion more exacting than he expected, but if his head is right he should be a valuable asset by the second half of the season.

By doc

September 24, 2008 12:23 AM | Link to this

man love ….. catch it.

By Lacsho

September 24, 2008 2:34 AM | Link to this

Richbrave

You are right, that’s why I refuse to dwell on it. There are good and bad with every race. Some people get it, and others never will. But one thing is for sure, I know what that flag means to all of my veteran brothers, and I’ll never disrespect it. A lot of good men lost their lives representing it, and I’ll always honor the ones who put their life on the line for it.

By Verbal Kent

September 24, 2008 7:39 AM | Link to this

Good for Salim… I was a fan of his since back in the Arizona days…. he just didn’t get enough tick here to do anything. Glad to know that he has another opportunity.

By richbrave

September 24, 2008 7:51 AM | Link to this

LASCHO:

You and me both bro’. U-u-u-h-h-rah!!!!

By Gypsyjoe

September 24, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Richardson is gone also he is going to camp with Orlando. Does anybody have names of the guys comming to the Hawks camp??

By ant banks

September 24, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

I.mus and ray, its all good, bruh!!

By david

September 24, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

As a good freind of salim, i am glad he is out of ATL.Salim is a fantastic person and a great player off the bench.

Someone said ask Lute olsen what he thinks of salim, Go ahead and do it. Lute loves salim and they have formed a very nice relationship over the years. Salim did have an attitude and did have a diffrent veiw on life and basketball, but people CHANGE. I changed i was the class clown in high school in college, now i own a business and employ 150 people in NYC. PEOPLE CHANGE. and woodson never wanted to see the change. Salim is the most humble, focused person i know. I can’t wait till he drops 20 in 15 minutes on the hawks. I coundlt be any happier for him, this will be a great nba story one day.

Good luck to the hawks, it was fun watching them develop over the years.

D-

By Ariose

September 24, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Gypsyjoe, I had just read that too. Von Wafer will be in camp with the rockets also.

That’s good news for mario west. He’s a hard worker and deserves a spot on the roster. It’s still up to sund weather or not he’s signed though. But I think he’ll make it.

By I.MUS WRITE

September 24, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

Lascho…..trust me bro. I know that racism is in full effect,but while i was in the military I didnt run into a whole lot of that….maybe 1 or 2 incidents

You could dam sure feel it every now and then,it was more silent hate. Some people dont like it when you go hard and try to excell at everything. You know what im sayn….310 pt score/Expert Marksman/Soldier of the month board winner………If looks could talk they would say…..Who does this ni**a think he is That stuff only fueled my fire though- Excell like me or keep hating

After leaving the military-Thats when it became dawg eat dawg….Like you said I had to work twice as hard and be twice as sharp… Didnt bother me too much i just got with the program and let my work speak for itself.

Im sorry that happened to your mom dude …there is no excuse for that shyt…..I might choke the life out of sumone for spitting on me -that is the most direspectful act a person can commit………..Scratch the choking and add fist fly’n

I didnt get caught up into the equality/fight’n thing …….I just used the military for what I wanted……. 40grand college money,new car payed for, Saw the world,and upon my departure stacks on deck..(money in the bank)

I could go on forever…….If Barrack is elected -there are gonna be thousands of white folks who hate that, If Barrack starts to make changes and things get better they will get on board…. i mean intergrating schools in the 60’s was a terrible idea to sum …..

If we didnt force change u and I might still be getting a second class education or still be drinking from the darkie-water fountain……Its time for change again-the Bush years have completely sucked this country dry.

My biggest problem is with folks who dont understand that change is a process -you cant expect O bama to come in and get gas prices back to 2.00 a gallon or get everyone health care ……If he wins it’s still gonna take sum time to clean up this mess……700 billion to the bigg bussinesses ha? what about the average Joe who is getting forclosed on or the mom and pop shops across the country…….gotta be fair across the board IMO….

By Ariose

September 24, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

Well Said David…lol

By I.MUS WRITE

September 24, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Jeremy Richardson just signed with Orlando?……… I guess Mario west is our final guy going into camp….I never really like Rich’s game …all he ever did was shoot……No defense at all….

Gardner is a better player IMO… Much luck to Salim, dont know how much time he’ll get behind Finley and Roger Mason but it will definitely be more than he got here. If dude goes over there and putts up numbers,im gonna be sick…..twoards the end of the year his handle and D really started to improve……we shall see^

By Ariose

September 24, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Carlos Boozer-Game Time

Josh Smith-Game Time

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By Ariose

September 24, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

LeBron James-Game Time

Mike Bibby-Game Time

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By Ariose

September 24, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

New Louis Williams…

South Gwinnett All Day!!!!

Chris Bosh, Lebron, Dwight Howard, CP3, Dwilliams Burgers At A Gas Station!

Dwight was a man on a mission. He went Beast Mode on that burger lol. No talkin’ straight work hehehe….

“I’m from Dallas I Eat Rudys.” lol

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By doc

September 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

you can either bow down be the victim or strive to be your best. it is all a choice that no one forces upon you. every man that is a man has to go through the fire. though it isnt the same fire it is still the fire. that ether breaks you or makes you. again, victim or not your choice and all see the difference but those that choose to be the victim.

as far as obama he might be as white as i am in attitude with his upbringing. he has something that is called compassion and is responsible for his charisma. ivy leaguer and again that probably makes him more the upper crust than i could ever pretend to be; in a sense he had to learn the black experience/culture after he left college.

i seem to think he as we all are more than skin deep and i would think he would say the same thing. because of this he might have the ability to reach all man rather than a select group. for that i am hopeful not because he is black or brown or part white, whatever you want to call it. he is the melting pot that we all are. you know, he might just be offended to describe him as anything else as it would strike to the core of what raised him, a white pragmatic grandmother. he would have to reject her. silly to not think genetically we all dont have the same root.

just looking forward to seeing some guys lace up their high tops and play ball.

By doc

September 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

just looking forward to seeing some guys lace up their high tops and play ball.

By doc

September 24, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

just looking forward to seeing some guys lace up their high tops and play ball.

By Ariose

September 24, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

Chris Bosh And Dwight Howard - Burgers In China!

Lol C-Bosh looks so uncomfortable.

ROFL at Dwight “I see you!……You speak english???”

I don’t think he realized that was probably her boyfriend sitting in front of her lol.

Chris Bosh Fantasy Football Challenge

Funny vid, D-Wade is manning the camera. Funny ending. I don’t think Bosh knew that little girl was talking to him…..I’m sure D-Wande told him after he turned the camera off though lol.

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By Ariose

September 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

Chris Bosh And Dwight Howard - Post Oprah Reaction

Chris Bosh VS Baron Davis Funniest Skit Challenge

B-Diddy is a fool lol.

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By Ariose

September 24, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

I got some B-Davis for y’all a little later. he’s been busy this summer. He made a ton of funny videos……The one with steve Nash is halarious.

~SalimFan Sir Links A Lot

By ray

September 24, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

Ant banks, I’m glad to hear it. I don’t like having beef with someone. Unless of course, it just came fresh from the grill….heh heh.

I.MUS, keep rising. The crabs can’t reach you unless you reach down to them…But then, I’m sure you’ve experienced that before, heh!

As for Jeremy Richardson, I won’t miss him either. I didn’t really dislike him, but his game didn’t impress me all that much, especially in this past summer league. I too am interested in what Gardner can show us, and in Mario West’s development. We’ll see what happens. Richardson didn’t play any more than Salim did. No big loss. And with Flip around….no minutes for him and his non-defense playing self.

Ariose, you’re right. Garnett is not too shy on the mike. He talks a good bit. I see you’re up to your usual tricks…Dude, I can NOT keep up with your link-a-thons, but I try, LOL!

By Lacsho

September 24, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

Imus & Doc

Well said!!!

I’m ready for some Hawk�s basketball. This is driving me nuts. I know tempers are going to flare with the big guys vying for a rotation spot. Then you have the guards going at each other throats, this should be a very intense and productive camp. That�s why I�m so optimistic about this upcoming season. I�m trying to decide which ticket package I�m going with. Last year I purchased several tickets with my military discount. Then I met a scalper, who gave me great deals. This year I might go with a package.

By Gilley

September 24, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

Salim Stoudamire was the TRUTH and if he was consistently given the minutes and similar amount of shot attempts as a 2nd and thirs scorer, he could have easily averaged 15 plus points per game but we all know Woody doesnt like small combo guards and blames one mistake on Salim and takes him out but whenever Joe Johnson makes a mistake and I see plenty he just fusses or shakes his head. But Salim was classy with his comments and did not diss Woody who deserves all the dissing in the world for not given him more chances. This man put up points in a heartbeat. No one on the Hawks can score like Salim. He is a tad bit out of control at times but I seen this guy light it up for 30 a few nights and sit on the bench the next night while the hawks were LOSING. My thing is, if you are using a wooden back to hit something and its still not working…nothing wrong with using a metal bat. Whats the worst that can happen….And Woody never took that approach and he followed Larry Brown approach like Brown did in the Olympics and you see where that got us in 2004. You got to let go of the pride and let players play and change. Stop being so darn conservative.

But I will root for Salim and hope he makes the hawks realize they could have had a scoring threat if USED PROPERLY.

By Gilley

September 24, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

Why am I hearing so many stories about the Hawks that are attributed to the AJC but I do not see the story here. Maybe they are only going to the print edition, because I only read the AJC online.

But stories about Mike Bibby saying the Hawks could have beat the Celtics in the First Round Playoffs Series

Mark Price being named as a Shooting Coach with the Hawks.

Childress Debuts with Team Olympiakos

Etc…………

**Sekou, I know times are tough, but if the AJC needs help in the Sports Section, specifically Basketball, I am definitely available.

By jhan

September 24, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

Gilley - please don’t ever compare Salim & JJ. The only thing they have in common is they both play basketball.

JJ is superior in every way possible from a basketball skill perspective - dribbler, defender, shooter, rebounder, playmaker, size, strenght, floor IQ, etc…

If he is the TRUTH like you say, he should overtake Ginobli or Parker as the number 2 or 3 scorer on the Spurs. After all, they have a head coach that truly knows what he’s doing. We’ll see.

By ray

September 24, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

Jhan, heh heh heh. Now that’s calling it what it is.

By bwtbird

September 24, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

Salim is the “Truth”…really…what does that mean?? Let’s see he can’t guard….can’t create for anyone else…can’t handle….but because he can score…albeit very inconsistently he is the “truth”…Amazing. Well the truth hung out there for 5 months while 30 stupid NBA temas bided their time…then he was signed as end of the bench protection by the Spurs who needed a specialist. That’s the “truth”

By I.MUS WRITE

September 24, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Well Dam BWTBIRD……that is brutely honest,still I wish Salim luck.

So it looks like our boi Chillz may not be what they thought he was…..Hmmmmm hypothetically speaking……If Olympikos were to release Chillz after the season,and Flip/MO put up roughly 18 points given the same playing time would we want him back.

By Ken Strickland

September 24, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

LASCHO-racism is no longer “THE” problem in American, just “A” problem in America. Trust me, coming from someone who’s experienced the KKK, segregation and jim crow in the deep south, WE’VE ALL COME A LONG WAY BABY!!!!!!!! Always look towards the future, although it’s OK to turn your head and look back and see how far you traveled. Just don’t stop and turn around, because then you turn your back on what’s taking place ahead of you.

Racists are those who are so terrified of what’s happening in front of them, they can’t turn around and face it. Therefore, they only see what used to be, not what is. I’m guilty of that when it comes to music. I can’t stand rap and/or hip hop, so I listen exclusively to old school music. I can’t make the adjustment.

By doc

September 24, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

ken agree, it isnt about racism it is about the economic divide. the fat boys want you to think it is what it isnt. the problem is socio-economic inequality, dont be fooled. really politicians want you deprived and in fear. it only aids their “cause” themselves. they thrive on your fear ,,.. hence the movement into iraq for WMD’s.

now back to b’ball ….. AJ see where they finally got your message to get someone with a certain experience to work with the young guns. now when do we det the big monster to do the same. dale davis anyone?

By Ariose

September 24, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

bwtbird, please go back and read my September 23, 2008 6:26 PM post…….Also if you were actually paying attention to Salim you would know that he’s pretty solid when it comes to creating for others and defensively it’s not his one-on-one defense that’s the problem, it’s his Zone defense that gets him in trouble.

By Ariose

September 24, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this

I.Mus, Sign and trade I would say. BUT Chills(25) is considerably younger than Evans(30)……so you never know. I still say we trade him for a backup who can shoot….

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By Ariose

September 24, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

I.Mus, Sign and trade I would say. BUT Chills(25) is considerably younger than Evans(30)……so you never know. I still say we trade him for a backup who can shoot….

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By Ariose

September 24, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

…..we can still trade his rights also….

By cp

September 24, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this

It’s about time the Hawks brought Mark Price in. The guy has been wanting to work with this team for a while now..

I think Salim is going to be better than some think on here. The guy was very solid his rookie year. He is a streaky shooter but I still dont believe a guy that good in college and who had the nice rookie season that he had can be as bad as some are acting. His defense is not as bad as some are saying either. The guy looked as if he improved his d from the little time I saw him on the court. I just dont know what some on here thought he could do with inconsistent minutes. He would be sitting at the end of the bench regardless if we were struggling to score or had guys out with injuries. No shooter can come in and get hot with the minutes he was getting. He would play one game and not see the court for the next 8 games or so. Look at that Golden State game where Woody had no choice but to play him. He had 18 that night I think. He helped us win the game. Woody actually had a gameplan that night. He put Salim on the same side of the court as JJ so when JJ was doubled he was kicking it to Salim who was knocking down his jumpers. With the Spurs he has a chance to show what he can do. He has a better coach and a defined role. Two things he never had here. I wish the kid luck.

By Ariose

September 24, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this

Hopefully, all this Greek drama will be a good thing for Chills.

Maybe with the added pressure to perform, he’ll turn into the player that Olypiakcos paid for, and the type of player that Billy THOUGHT he drafted with that 6th pick.

Not to say that Chills is a bad player, but let’s see if he can up his game and consistantly put up good numbers when the defense is focused soley on him. Shoot if LeBron can get 20 points in the paint the why can’t Chills?? He’s a great finisher.

Look, I know he’s not that type of player. I remeber when Sund called him a “utility player”, a lot of people were offended(Including me) but that’s b/c we were so amped coming off that great run we just had in the playoffs. But it’s the truth……usually the “utility” role is reerring to a big man, but that’s where Chills lives lol……in the paint.

If Chills doesn’t become that type of player and up his game then…….well the Greeks will be p**, and Sund will look like the smart guy for not giving chills more money than he thought he was worth (Which is great for us, but I like chills so that would be a shame).

Chills wanted this. So it’s up to him to step up…….or he may not leave Greece with all of the money he signed on the dotted line for.

~SalimFan Sir Links A Lot

By Ariose

September 24, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

CP, Glad to see that some people actually know what they’re talking about lol.

As far as Chills is concerned, it’s still early in their season…..he’ll warm up….hopefully. He’s going to have to stop playing within the game and take over the game.

He defenetly has a positive effect on any game he plays in………it took us a while to realize that and that’s probably whats happening over there too. He’s just not flashy.

~SalimFan Sir Links A Lot

By Edo River

September 24, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this

Let Salim go and grow. Next year won’t be his definition year, but I’m sure we will see more of his potential than the chance he had here.

By richbrave

September 24, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

WIZARDS:

Desperately seeking JUAN.

By bwtbird

September 24, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

Ariose, I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree regarding Salim…I don’t think he is a very good ball defender at all…part of the problem is his inability to guard 2’s…totally mismatched. So unless you have a big 1 to cross match he causes serious problems because the one thing the NBA universally does well is go at mismatches. As far as creating for others…well where and when has he ever done that??? College or pro??? I too wish him well and with a team such as the Spurs he does have the potential to have an impact…mainly because Manu could play some 1 while Salim is in…wish him well but some are acting as if we let Michael Redd go

By ray

September 24, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

In Salim’s defense, it’s not like he got the playing time. Dude could never get in a rhythm (except once last year against Golden State where he was simply off the chain).

Personally, I think the addition of Mark Price is great. Not only a good shooter, but a proven 4-time all-star pg. This can only help, assuming he is allowed to have the amount of influence necessary to make a difference.

By HB Ando

September 24, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this

Lac, actually first time back, since…

I’ll take the $50 wager, along with the $5 of Blue and Najeh. Let’s come up with a way to settle up at years’ end. I’m a man of my word, and believe all three of you are as well (especially since Blue and Najeh only risked $5……).

I’m feeling Horford’s ability to emerge this season. What I’m questioning is whether this lineup, should Bibby stay, provide him the touches to optimize his capability. JJ is the man. Josh’s contract, and his youth, suggest an expectation that he’ll be option 2, at worst. That leaves Bibby and Marvin, both on contract years, looking to produce numbers that will maximize their contract demands, next summer. What does that leave for a “team first” guy, like Horford, who’s position requires that everyone else on the team get him his looks?

Better teams than this have imploded under the weight of such individualistic agendas. And many of those teams were coached by far better men than Woody.

You simply can’t look for Bibby, Marvin and Horford to all explode, given that JJ is the inarguable #1, and Josh will have no fear in getting his, justified by his new contract. Something has to give. Just look at the Celtics, and 3 stars giving up their typical numbers to win a title. Understand the dynamic that supported that agenda, with the other two starters, in Rondo and Perkins, being guys who knew their role, and understood that they could not expect to put up major offensive numbers.

But these Hawks, with no such realistic title expectations, could very well dissolve into a “me first” situation, as a push for the 8th seed becomes secondary, late season, to Marvin and Bibby both looking to build a case for their next contract.

Just food for thought…..

By jhan

September 24, 2008 9:42 PM | Link to this

Ando - are you trying to say there are better coaches than Woody out there? Just try and name one!!!

By richbrave

September 24, 2008 10:17 PM | Link to this

jhan:

EDDIE JORDAN for one. Should I go on.?

By blue hawk

September 24, 2008 10:27 PM | Link to this

Jhan,

Flip Saunders is one. He will definitely turn the Hawks into a winning team. His NBA regular season record speaks for itself. But he has his weaknesses though. Don’t count on him to take you all the way. He chokes as a coach. And I’m really not keen on coaches with poor defensive mindsets, although that could be easily remedied with a good defensive assistant coach.

Avery Johnson is also out there.

And I’m sure there are assistant coaches or coaches in ‘smaller’ leagues or colleges out there who can come in and be the voice that takes this team to the next level.

I’m sure our players are saying deep inside, what Alonzo Mourning had said about Stan Van Gundy, “I didn’t have confidence in him because I didn’t think he was using the personnel correctly.”

Sund didn’t put much thought into the head coach selection process. Continuity was a poor ‘excuse’ in choosing Woodson.

By blue hawk

September 24, 2008 10:32 PM | Link to this

Ando,

You think too much.

By blue hawk

September 24, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

I’m really excited for this team and I’m sure it will even be better after the all star break.

I just hope that this team stays healthy.

By Najeh Davenpoop

September 24, 2008 10:59 PM | Link to this

Co-sign Ray on Mark Price, nothing bad can result from that hire.

By blue hawk

September 24, 2008 11:46 PM | Link to this

Mark Price shouldn’t just teach shooting. he was a helluva point guard during his day. he should give bibby, acie and speedy pointers too.

Kinda like Deron Williams, the summer after his rookie year, he worked with John Stockton. And in his second year he broke out.

By Ariose

September 24, 2008 11:51 PM | Link to this

I love the Mark Price Addition. The guy was a beast and he can defenetly help our players become better shooters.

Ray, i’m glad you’re trying too keep up with my link-a-thons lol. I would’ve done more but I figured those would keep you guys busy for a while lol.

If you think about it, Salim was playing alongside the perfect 2-guaed in JJ. He used to play point in Pheonix all the time to relieve Nash. Just like Bibby benefits from playing with JJ b/c he gets tons of wide open shots. I’m pretty sure if given the PT Salim would have been just as effective (if not more) recieveing all of those open looks from JJ. Bibby’s not know for being a great defender either…..It doesn’t really matter now, Both parties are better off…..and I now have an extended team to root for :-) (It used to be Detriot, but after Big Ben left….and LeBron worked them over for 48 points……I lost faith).

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ariose

September 25, 2008 1:41 AM | Link to this

Top 6 Shooting Guards in the Leauge…

Interesting debate over at hoopsworld…..of course I HAD to chime in and give my 2 cents. JJ got snubbed lol.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By blue hawk

September 25, 2008 4:57 AM | Link to this

kevin martin and redd should’ve been lower.

JJ and Manu should take their spots.

By ray

September 25, 2008 7:18 AM | Link to this

Blue Hawk, I agree. JJ is better than both Redd and Martin. I wouldn’t take either guy over JJ. As for Sund retaining Woodson, what makes you think that was totally Sund’s decision? I don’t think it was even his idea….no matter how it gets spun. But anyway.

Jhan, I think several people took you seriously on the “who’s a better coach than Woody?” thing….LOL! Too funny…

Ando, that expounds somewhat on a point I made a little while ago about Bibby playing a different role than he’s used to. As I had said, he is used to being the featured guard, which he cannot be here. And so, the success of this team will partially depend on how he is able to handle becoming more of a distributor and less of a scorer. With the weapons we have, he should have no problem averaging 8-9 assists per game, no?

Unless of course, we are to neglect the frontcourt and do the bulk of our scoring from the backcourt. Heh. Right.

By Lacsho

September 25, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Ando

I’m glad to see you back. We can meet up in Nov. at a Hawks game. I know everyone�s trust Doc, so if Doc agrees we can let him hold the money. Then we can meet up at the playoffs, and Doc can disburse the funds to me…lol..

I disagree with your assessment. Since Bibby is in his contract year, I think he will be judge on the Hawks making serious noise in the playoffs, not individual scoring. Everyone in the league knows Bibby can score; however, Bibby must prove he can be an effective facilitator. There are only a handful of teams that would name Bibby as a starter. To be honest with you, Woody would be wise to announce that the pg position is up for grabs. Furthermore, I see Acie starting before the season ends. Bibby’s age plays a valuable role with his next contract. If he goes to a contender next year, he’ll start if their starting pg is injured.

In addition, Marvin’s number will increase because of natural progression. The contract year will give him incentive, but Marvin has progress steadily with each year he’s been in the league.

I think you nailed it with Big AL. Woody has to call plays for this kid. Moreover, Woody has to come up with a new scheme, and he has to make the correct substitutions. Again, Woody has all of the tools to make a successful run in the playoffs. If Woody fails to manage this team properly, I can see him out the door by January.

Lastly, I don’t see the Hawks fighting for the 8th spot. I see this team giving Orlando a run for their money. I think we are better than the Wizards, and the Cavaliers. We have enough talent to definitely make some serious noise in the playoffs. It’s a shame we have to depend on Woody to get us their. I’ll stay optimistic, and hope Woody makes the necessary changes to keep us successful, and hopefully we�ll be shaking off the hater at the end of the season.

By a thinking fan

September 25, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

Price should have been hired early in the spring. Tweaking a players shot going into camp is risky! The summer time is for one on none time to improve your skillzs!

Two weeks before opening camp should be about conditioning and timing, not skill development.

Leave it up to BASG to do stuff a$$ backwards!

By Astro Joe

September 25, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

Flash (where you at?) and richbrave probably already know that Duane Ferrell was Kwame Brown’s “baby-sitter” when he first came into the league. He was the guy who helped Kwame get to practice, get to the game and get to various other appointments. Like I said, his baby-sitter. Since we don’t appear to have any “wet behind the ears” players on our roster, I wonder why they felt the need to add Ferrell to the staff?

I’ve been hollering to hire Mark Price for a year or two. My guess is that guys like Acie will take advantage of Price as a resource, let’s hope Marvin and Josh do the same. I saw Price play a pick-up game at Georgia State back when he had just graduated from Tech. I have NEVER seen anyone knock down so many shots from so deep in my life. And he did it while looking like he had just awken from a nap. Sleepy eyes, moving kind of slow, seemingly disinterested, but deadly from deep. And when guys try to body him up he showed that he was a tough SOB and didn’t back down. He’d just lean in with his shoulder, create the slightest separation and bury a bomb in their face. I’d pay to see Price, Bibby and JJ play a game of long-distance H-O-R-S-E… I’d put my money on the former Tech star.

By ILL-Logical

September 25, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

IMHO, Mark Price’s primary contribution will be re foul shooting, a major sore spot for the entire league.A good team FT % can make the difference in close /playoff games.

If Ferrell is a baby sitter then given his travelogue, Flip may be the “baby”.But he is as good a shooter as anyone on the team; a better defender than anyone with the possible exception of Calvin Claxton AND bigger and stronger that any PG on the roster.

BTW, Josh’s 3 pt % is higher than Marvin’s(and last time I checked the 3 pt line was further than 15 FT). Maybe there is some Rovian thinking going on with the worst shooting front line comments- Bynum; Gasol and Odum are not noted marksman but what is going to be their wining %. Plus Paul Pierce is a scorer not a marksman and Kendrick Perkins was a space eater.

Maybe folks think Josh has a funny sounding name / has a different religion. Yeah, that’s why the NBA sent him abroad to work with young folks. Darn those character issues.

By The Flash

September 25, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

Pop has a problem on his hands. When someone has surgery on an ankle/foot, it is a very last resort and the outcome is rarely what you’d like. There are too many freakin bones and ligaments.

So, Mano is a question mark coming into this season which is a pretty big question mark. I see Salim fitting with Pops other new acquisition, Roger Mason, as a potentially high scoring pair off the bench. Roger can run an offense and break down defenses and is very underrated. Very. The Zards were idiots for letting him go.

Salim will have to guard the other team’s second 1 guard most often, which given San Anton’s terrific team defense and help from inside he should be able to competently do—heck, Astro could.

Mason is one of those rare basketball souls who sees the flow of the game first and foremost and while he can score the ball, can and will give it up. He almost wills his teammates to be making suitable off the ball moves.

Salim might well have a better opportunity then the pundits imagine. He sounds like a class act himself—how people say goodbye says a lot about how they live and, by that measure, you can’t help wishing the guy all the best.

By newkid

September 25, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

I was something far less than a Rick Sund fan after his first couple months here, but I’m just as quickly reforming my view of his skillset. Still not convinced he handled the Smoove circumstance with the sort of aplomb one would expect of a sharp GM, and the Childress affair still stinks. And I still prefer Avery Johnson to Woody, but we’ll see. Nonetheless, it must be said that both his on-court and off-court hires over the past six weeks or so have been intriguing.

Mo Evans and Flip Murray are both known quantities who add much needed depth to the backcourt without breaking the depleted bank. While largely an unknown quantity, Randolph Morris provides some of the girth and length needed to supplement an otherwise undersized front line. If he is indeed a sleeper, or either of Gardner or Hunter, then Sund could be said to have had an exceptional summer building the bench.

The off-court signing of Mark Price and Duane Farrell appears to be a conscious effort to add a couple of quality layers to an emerging strong off-court support fabric. One of things that sells the young Hawks to many is that they don’t appear to be cats whose names you expect to scroll across the bottom of ESPN’s ticker for having shown up on last night’s police blotter. Price and Farrell have shown throughout their careers that they’re cut from that same cloth, and they’ll reinforce the good citizenship traits already exemplified by the current on-court cast. I met and chatted with Farrell some years ago when he was a Hawks teammate of Chris Washburn; had met Chris a few weeks before meeting Farrell. What a day-and-night difference in their dispositions. Price would have helped Childress, West, and Smoove (maybe others as well) last year; Smoove was yelling for a shooting coach when he sought out Calvin Murphy during the summer of 2007. Speedy, if he stays healthy and here, will surely benefit from Price’s tutelage; Acie and Marvin as well.

With a solid and maturing core, it appears Sund is strengthening this core by adding valuable elements to the its periphery, both on and off the court.

It’s still too early to call in the Sund jury, but he looks to be making a strong case for himself.

By Najeh Davenpoop

September 25, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

Kevin Martin? KEVIN MARTIN???!?!? That article is a joke.

By Ariose

September 25, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

LOL @ Poop, exactly…..

Newkid, I couldn’t agree more. Sund seems to be building an exellent support system for our young players. something we never had when BK was here. Heck I disn’t even know that many staff jobs existed before sund came to to town heh…..what in the hell was BK doing???

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ken Strickland

September 25, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

I don’t think Bibby will became a ball hog just because he’s in a contract yr. He’s experienced and intelligent enough to know his next contract will be based on how much he helps the team and the players around him improve.

Marvin’s lack of a take charge mentality will be an asset rather than a liability. He doesn’t expect to be a primary scorer. His responsibility will be to provide outside scoring support and take pressure off those who are. I’m also not worried about Horford or Josh suddenly putting personal stats ahead of team accomplishments.

ANDO-I brought up the possibility of chemistry and adjustment issues in an earlier post in regard to teams like Philly and Toronto adding primary players/scorers to their starting lineups. Those issues won’t affect the Hawks, since their starting lineup will return intact.

With Murray and Evans, we can now sit Marvin, Bibby or JJ without a drastic dropoff in scoring or DEF, especially from the outside. The most interesting thing to look forward to this preseason will be who makes the final roster. Will our bench be backcourt heavy(Speedy, Acie, Murray, Evans) or frontcourt heavy(Morris, Zaza, Solo,, Hunter).

By ray

September 25, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

newkid, nice assessment. Very nice. I cannot but agree, to be honest.

Although….I do not doubt the arrival of another Ando rebuttal….heh heh.

Najeh, that’s what I’m sayin’. Kevin Martin is not much different than a guy like Corey Maggette, having had nearly the same scoring average as him last year. You don’t see Maggette there (although he may be considered a SF). Even then….what does Martin do besides score on a team that has no healthy scorers? Artest is gone, Abdur-Rahim is gone, and Brad Miller can’t stay healthy. Kevin Martin hasn’t shown me the versatility of a Joe Johnson, especially on defense.

By K.C.

September 25, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

See ya, Salim. I second the opinions of those who favor the Price hiring. The former Techster outta be able to help the Hawks with their free throw shooting…well, he could provide valuable insight on how to shoot the ball period. Josh Smith still has room to improve regarding these aspects of his game. So do a lot of young basketballers. In general, I love the off season moves…aside from (punches Barbaro in the face) the loss of Chils. Go Hawks. The season can’t get here soon enough!

By newkid

September 25, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

Thanks Ray and Ariose. Ray, although his opinions sometime appear more strongly held than many, my sense from reading his perspectives here over the past several years is ANDO is a chap who applies a fine grit filter of rationality to his assessments. His filter is his own, just as most of ours are our unique property. Like some, I don’t always agree with his assessments and perspectives, I do consistently find them most interesting reading (I just love words, phrases, clauses, sentences, and paragraphs). I’ve always sort of viewed ANDO as the William Buckley of this space, and my admiration of Buckley’s ability to ‘turn a phrase’ goes back several decades.

By doc

September 25, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

AJ, i knew you would like the news about price. funny how out of touch we are here according to the management like THE REALIST and they often finally come around to the suggestions. go figure.

By ray

September 25, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

newkid, believe you me. You are more correct than you can possibly know (unless you’ve chatted him up as many times as I have). I just love throwing something out there just in case he’s listening….the cell phone usually rings shortly thereafter…and I am often nowhere near it….heh heh heh! At which point, I get the snarky voice mail message…Phone tag is so much fun.

By doc

September 25, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

well crafted my friend newk on both comments. always enjoy your too inrfequent contributions. careful though on the ando thing you might get thrown into the same wastebasket others have found themselves in for speaking their own minds to find themselves called as his supporters or a hater. yes ando has great value to stimulate and provoke all of our minds though at times all he leaves is folks to become too personal as the only retort left in an argument. personal attacks ultimately get the scroll for me as i think the value of reading the attacks his or theirs is less than anything i could gain from reading anything that might be related to basketball..

but wm buckley? not alpha boy ……heh heh

flash, glad to see you contribute always. gone too long.

By The Flash

September 25, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

This hiring of Price is intriguing. He obviously was able to work with his own body to put together one or more means of delivering a very effective jump shot and then on a variety of ways of getting into a position so he could make a proper delivery.

His effectiveness, in my mind, will depend on what his focus will be when attempting to help players who want to improve their shooting. If he intent on showing them and having them try to replicate his particular style, even the steps that he took to develop it, I expect that we will all be more than a tad disappointed.

On the other hand, if he provides a systematic method for exploration, imparting at times how something should feel when it has the type of mechanical integrity that they should be after, then I think that the results could be quite impressive.

All too often those after quick results try to show people how a thing is to be done rather than help people discover it for themselves. In my opinion, you cannot teach someone how to shoot a basketball, but can help them learn to improve.

We’ll see what Mr. Price thinks; the proof will be in the pudding, but, if he approaches it right, the pudding might take a while to settle.

By ray

September 25, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

And E.E. Cummings strikes yet again….

By doc

September 25, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this

hehehe heh heh

By Samuel

September 25, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

WOW,

The Hawks have gone from having the weakest roster in the league and the doormat of NBA Franchises to now having too many players that can explode to win.

Spoken like a true fan. Truly, the Joe Lieberman of Hawks Fans.

By HB Ando

September 25, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

newkid, very kind words, and very much appreciated, though I’m certain there are a handful of folks who cringe at the very thought of anyone encouraging my ongoing efforts. With regards to your earlier post, I think it represents the “upside” of the roster and coaching changes; reachable, but maybe not to the point of being “likely”.

Ken, if your comment about Bibby was a response to me (I don’t know if it was), I never intended to insinuate my belief that Bibby would be a “ball hog”, or put his contract agenda ahead of the team. I was merely suggesting that it’s somewhat implausible that all five starters, assuming a line up of Bibby, JJ, Marvin, Josh and Al, can all increase their offensive production. There’s simply not enough shots, on a nightly basis, for all five to be 20 ppg scorers, and that’s never been accomplished by any starting lineup.

ill, neither me, or the Lakers, disagree with your point about a projected front court of Bynum, Gasol and Odom. That’s why there was a ton of talk about them trading Odom this summer for a shooter/defender (Artest was mentioned frequently), and why the rumor now is that Odom may be coming off the bench. If anything, that only reinforces my point about any significant minutes the Hawks employ a front line of Josh, Al and Zaza/Solo/Morris. I think you’ll see a lot of Radmonovich and Vujacic, playing with a rotation of Bynum, Gasol and Odom at the 4 and 5 for that very reason. Also, Pierce shot almost 40% from beyond the arc last year, and his career percentage, when he spent a lot of time forcing shots to try and carry the offensive load for bad Celtics’ teams, is still over 36%. So I’d have to disagree with your example of Pierce.

ee, don’t be a hater……..

Ray, got your new number. I’ll hit you soon….

By doc

September 25, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

opps, the sleeping giant awakens.

By Clyde

September 25, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

ROLL TIDE!!!!

The Blackout Will Be A Blowout!!

ROLL TIDE!!!!!!

By Najeh Davenpoop

September 25, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this

“Kevin Martin is not much different than a guy like Corey Maggette, having had nearly the same scoring average as him last year. “

Well… Martin and Maggette have very different strengths and weaknesses, but still, Martin at this point is just a scorer. Joe is a scorer, facilitator, defender, and focal point of the offense who manages to put up big numbers and lead the team to victories despite playing in a much less efficient offensive system (word to Woody). I agree with what you’re saying though, in that Martin is a Maggette-caliber player and not a Joe Johnson-caliber player.

By ILL-Logical

September 25, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this

There a number of ways to win games and championships in the NBA, the primary one being able to defend your opponent excedingly well and to maximize your scoring opportunities eg, free throw %,rebounding. Reliance on outside shooting has never been the way of championship teams; some have it and some have it more than others but the winning formula from Bill Russell to Kevin Garnett has been to let your defense put you over the top. So if the Hawks have any aspirations for a ring then the best line up for them to begin that quest must perforce put their strongest defensive unit on the floor for the maxium amount of time.

Presently that 5 would be comprised of JJ, Josh,Solo, Al and … Flip.However,in addition to their defesive prowess this gruop has some outstanding offensive capabilities as well. There is 3pt capability in at least 3 of them; superior post up skills in 3 guys; and strong rebounding skills are part of 4 of the 5 and all of them shoot 70% from the line.

So memo to Coach Drew: The Hawks key to success for 2008-9 is a strong defense and a strong bench; chemistry and talent are already in place.

By reg

September 25, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this

how about snatching up joel pryzbilla up from the blazers in exchange for zaza and some of those young forwards we have so our guys like horford and j.smith can slide over to their natural position

By Ariose

September 25, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

ILL-Logical, Very interesting…..

~SalimFan Sir Links A Lot

By Samuel

September 25, 2008 10:38 PM | Link to this

I long for the days of Royal Ivey, Tyrone Lue, Lo Wright, Sheldon Williams and Estiban Batista. These were some real “team” guys capable of exploding for 5pts, 2 rebs and 6 fouls on any given night.

I’m sure Horford would love to have them back instead of Bibby,Flip and Mo. He surely could pad them numbers then.

By ant banks

September 25, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

newkid i hear you, bruh, you made some good points, but lets not go over board with the “praise” that we are heapin’ on sund or overanalyze him hiring ferrell and price…REMEMBER WHAT HE DID IN SEATTLE? he had the same philosopy there and they went to the playoffs once in his 7yrs…

everyone put the kool-aid down and back away from the table. give sund his props after 20 games. everything now is speculative.

By Ariose

September 25, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

Hawks exercise options on Horford, Law

By Sports Network - *The Sports Network *

The Atlanta Hawks have exercised the contract options for the 2009-10 season on forward/center Al Horford and guard Acie Law.

A unanimous selection to the NBA All-Rookie First Team and runner-up for Rookie of the Year honors, Horford had an outstanding rookie season in helping the Hawks reach the postseason for the first time in nine years. Horford nearly averaged a double-double a year ago, recording 10.1 points and 9.7 rebounds in 81 contests.

During the playoffs, the 6-foot-10 forward/center from Florida increased his totals, scoring 12.6 points and grabbing 10.4 rebounds in the seven games against Boston.

Despite battling injuries for much of the 2007-08 campaign, Law was fifth among rookies in assists and third on the Hawks with 2.0 per game, to go along with 4.2 points in 56 contest.

Sund keeping a few pieces locked up for a while…..and getting it done EARLY!!! lol……something not known to happen in Hawks managemnt in recent years……nice.

By Samuel

September 25, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this

I see that my OLE BUDDY ,Clarence from Savannah, visited the DAWGS today. Coincidence? Hummmmm!!!!

Lieberman and Thomas 2012?

By Ariose

September 25, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

Samuel…hell yeah lol.

Lebron looses in a Game of HORSE…..this guy’s good.

~SalimFan Sir Links A Lot

By ant banks

September 25, 2008 11:14 PM | Link to this

USC is gettin’ thrashed by oregon st. if they lose and uga wins!!! “Whoa, neely!!”

By Ariose

September 26, 2008 12:01 AM | Link to this

Billy Knight made the Worst GM’s in Sports History list lol.

When you think about it……why so many damn forwards Billy???? They all play the same position???? Oh well, we got Al, Bibby, JJ, Smoove, Captain Clutch…..and Salim’s the greatest so I wasn’t calling for his head but….all time??? ROFL!!

~SalimFan Sir Links A Lot

By Ariose

September 26, 2008 12:07 AM | Link to this

Personally, I would’ve put Kevin McHale and Billy king in front of him.

Also, Woody didn’t like Paul B/C He felt he was too small and He didn’t like DWill B/C He felt he was out of shape and would have future conditioning problems. So BK can’t take ALL the credit…….I blame Woody but that’s just me…..Woody strikes again…..I wonder what he’ll get away with this season???

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ariose

September 26, 2008 12:33 AM | Link to this

WOW, USC Goes DOWN. Oregon State….WOW

When UGA Beats upon the Roll Tide this weekend they’ll have the number 1 spot.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By Ariose

September 26, 2008 2:53 AM | Link to this

Best and Worst of the NBA……just bash my hawks squad……On the bright side Greg Popovith got best coach hehehehe….

By Samuel

September 26, 2008 6:33 AM | Link to this

WOW,

I see Clarence made it out of Athens unscaved. I guess we know there’s no conscious black men on the Georgia football team. Surely, at least one of them would have “risked it all” and did a CRACKBACK on his a$$. Make his use the “Bootstraps”.

Dang Wimps.

ROLL TIDE!!!!

By jhan

September 26, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

ray - I guess next time I’ll be more sarcastic in my post.

richbrave - my tongue could not have been any further in my cheek when I suggested there were no better coaches around than Woody.

ILL - nice coach Drew reference. LOL

I’ll reserve judgement on Sund for awhile. Right now I like the FA’s he signed. Not real thrilled about how he handled the negotiations. (That may have been out of his control) At least he signed a project big man on the cheap vs. using a lottery pick on him.

By AGTFan

September 26, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

This blog got a lot of praise on Yahoo last night. I think it’s a tribute to Sekou and all you regulars. I usually read this blog, but never post. The regular posters and Sekou do a great job, making this one of the better sports blogs going. Kudos!

By doc

September 26, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

very sensibly put jhan.

By richbrave

September 26, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

DAMM denizens. We’s made the BIG time.

By richbrave

September 26, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

Sorry jhan, I took you serious. My bad.

By ray

September 26, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Samuel, who is “Clarence” and what did he do/say to the Georgia Bulldogs? I guess I’d know if I ever went to the GA Bulldogs forum, but I never go there….morbid curiosity drives me to ask, however…

Jhan, nah, then you’ll be called a hater, LOL! As for Sund, the continuous meddling of the owners (as is their right as owners, however) makes it difficult for me to render any particular judgement as it is. Of course, I agree that the contract negotiations with Chill and Smith weren’t handled well, but I too like the free agent acquisitions. I think we could’ve done better, but then I don’t know all the circumstances involved, and the guys we have might be just perfect for our team. We didn’t hire on any problem children, we got professionals. That’s always a step in the right direction.

Still think we could use another worthwhile veteran big. Doesn’t have to be an expensive one, but we need one. I still think the acquisition in the coaching/consultant department will be helpful if guys are allowed to contribute in meaningful ways.

Najeh, right on bro’.

By Lacsho

September 26, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

Ray

Clarence Sellout Thomas

By DAP01

September 26, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Samuel is an idoit

By Astro Joe

September 26, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

If you assume (as I do) that Sund has a specific budget that he cannot exceed (as determined by his bosses), then I commend him for his off-season moves. There is no doubt that investing in quality teachers (coaches and consultants) is a better use of limited money than any 1-2 minimum salaried players players… as teachers in theory should make all of the players better. Also, assuming that his hands were completely tied with regard to Woody, I also applaud his decision to improve the quality of the staff around Woody and also the decision to have the players stay in a hotel during camp. Essentially, I see him optimizing those areas that he can influence as opposed to being burdened by those factors out of his control (like having the right head coach or a competitive budget). I can even find favor in the Smith negotiations… ultimately, we have him back at a relative bargain compared to similar contracts signed both this year and the past 2 summers. Is there any doubt that the savings from Smith’s deal was the likely difference between having Flip & Mo vs. Juan Dixon & Gelabale? While I would have preferred Mbenga over RandMo (as a defensive specialist), neither will likely influence a playoff berth (and RandMo offers a higher upside).

Sund talked about changing the culture when he arrived. Having the players interact with extra staff like Price and Ferrell should make them feel like they have resources to improve. Being able to eat and sleep together during camp should give them a sense of team. Having a few more vets like Flip and Mo and a legit big like RandMo should erase concerns that they’re a high-performing NBDL team full of like-sized and inexperienced players. And having an experienced PG like Bibby (and maybe a healthy Speedy) should relieve concerns about who will initiate the offense. It should all result in the sense that they are part of a real team, especially when added to memories of their magical playoff series last season.

Now is this change that we can believe in?

By Ariose

September 26, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Case Against Mike Woodson

Oh my Gawd!!!! This dude is my hero. This should be sent to ESPN and very other spots broadcating show ASAP.

This guy needs an oscar…..now

~Sir Links A Lot

By doc

September 26, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

agtfan, care to share the link?

By Najeh Davenpoop

September 26, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

“Personally, I would�ve put Kevin McHale and Billy king in front of him.”

I would actually put a lot of current GMs ahead of him on the worst GMs list. I know this will probably make Ando’s head explode, but the more I think about Billy’s tenure here the more I realize he wasn’t nearly as bad as we made him out to be. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of him, but even besides McHale and King, if you compare him to Isiah Thomas, Danny Ferry, Larry Harris, Elgin Baylor, etc. he actually did a better job than any of them. And if you compare him to the likes of Matt Millen in football and Dave Littlefield in baseball he comes off looking like a straight up genius.

Really only two of his moves — the Marvin pick and the Speedy signing — can be classified as truly atrocious, while on the other hand you can make entire lists of terrible moves by the GMs I listed above.

Again I’m not trying to say he was great — we all know he wasn’t — I’m just saying he was average. And that says more about the other GMs in sports than it does about him.

By ray

September 26, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

Lacsho, it didn’t take me long to figure out which Clarence…heh heh. All I had to do was go to the DAWGS page…

By Ariose

September 26, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

It’s useful to know that it’s not just the players who dislike Mike Woodson’s decisions and manner of making them: David Fizdale, Hawks’ assistant coach last year, now an assistant coach for the Miami Heat. Harold Ellis, Hawks’ scout last year, now an assistant for the Detroit Pistons. Herb Brown, Hawks’ assistant coach last year, now an assistant coach for the Charlotte Bobcats. Each took their new job after the Hawks signed Woodson to his new contract.

Larry Drew and Bob Bender must be hanging around simply for the chance to add “Interim Head Coach” to their resume. They can’t enjoy working for an incompetent who is unwilling to question his decisions until well after the fact and then blithely dismiss his own error. Then again, Larry Drew is a Missouri alum.

Horford picked up his fifth foul with 1:58 left and Woodson took him (he of the 20 points and 11 rebounds) out of the game in favor of Marvin Williams (he of the 6 points and 3 rebounds). Horford returned to play just 16 more seconds. Woodson obviously wasn’t saving Horford to use in a particular situation to help win the game. The only explanation for taking Horford out is that Woodson didn’t want Horford to foul out.

My new suspicion is that Woodson does this in a misguided attempt to avoid criticism. I suspect he’d prefer not to face any questions that would arise if the Hawks fell apart and lost a game after Horford fouled out. First of all, if this is the case, Woodson overestimates the amount of mainstream media scrutiny he’s under. To say that no one cares about the Hawks is but a slight exaggeration. Secondly, the indefensible absence of a not yet disqualified Al Horford on the court is obvious to anyone seriously watching the game so the only people liable to criticize Woodson’s coaching are going to do so if Horford’s unnecessary absence appears to cost the Hawks a game.

ROFL!!!!!

By Gypsyjoe

September 26, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Elton Brown is going to camp with the Bulls. Damn I was hopping we could grab this guy he is a beast on the glass.How many guys are we bringing to camp 15 or 16 I always liked to bring in 18 or 19 so our core guys did’nt have to play alot of min. in the preseason.

By Ariose

September 26, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

Doc here’s that link that AGTFan was talking about.

~SalimFan Sir Links A Lot~

By Ariose

September 26, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Hmmmm…..

By Ariose

September 26, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Hawks Team Defense???

~Sir Links A Lot~

By richbrave

September 26, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this

ray:

Was that you on MARK BRADLEY’s column giving an assessment of SMOLTZ and GLAVINE.? If so, great take. I’ve postulated exactly the same comments on both players twice. If not oops, sorry.

By richbrave

September 26, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this

LASCHO:

You’re not referencing that great SUPREME COURT JUSTICE are you.? SELLOUT.? Well, it is SUPREME agter all.

By MannyT

September 26, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

Sounds like Peachtree Hoops is close to mykhalc No love lost for Woody. Not that I disagree with his points, but I recognize that I am stuck with Woody for awhile so I have to think happy non-analytical thoughts.

jhan Woody is clearly one of the top 100 head coaches in the NBA ;-)

Astro Maybe Ferrell gets a promotion for showing that he could effectively baby sit the young one.

As for the Hawks staff positions, does the GM just put these roles in or does the coach request them? Maybe this is a realization by a more confident Woody that he needs some assistance in certain areas. Nice to bring good guys into the fold, but I don’t recall a bunch of troublemaking happening over the past few years. BK had that “I want good guys” thing also.

Preseason excitement, Game 1 is only 10 days away. Time to put those mopeds away and get to the court.

Where something finally happens!

BWAF

By Samuel

September 26, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this

I must say that i’m not too up on this guy Ferrell but I love me some Mark Pice. Dude could ball FaReal. Definately should be an upgrade over Herb. The guy is old as Black Pepper. He and Brother Larry are WWWAAAAYYY past their prime.

Another good move by My Boy Rick Sund.

Just finished watching the debates back in Mississippi. I must say that McCain surprised me. I thought it would be a blowout. He held his own. I still believe we need some new Blood(no pun intended)in the White House though. The Republicans are trying to trickle us down to a 3rd World Country.

Hey Doc, i’m trying this soccer thing out with my youngest son, Sabir. He’s U6 and looks like he may be pretty good. He has 4 goals in two matches so far. Any pointers?

By Lacsho

September 26, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this

Rich You’re right Supreme..lol

Next week it’s on and popping!!!!

By ray

September 26, 2008 11:32 PM | Link to this

Ariose, did I read correctly? Sund exercised the options on contracts for Horford and Acie? Hmmm. Horford is a no-brainer. As for Acie, I don’t think you exercise options on guys you plan to trade. I think Acie is part of the forseeable future provided he shows us he’s about ready….which I think he will…given the proper amount of playing time (and allowing him to do what he does best). And I’m sure he can learn a thing or two from Price, eh?

Richbrave, I bounce back and forth from here to the Falcons blog (on occasion). That’s about it. I’m afraid I can’t take the credit for a good post on the Braves blog.

MannyT, I don’t know if these recent staff acquisitions are a result of Woody realizing he needs help or Sund “helping him along.” I don’t care either way, as long as they are help. Good enough for me. When’s camp start again?

By doc

September 27, 2008 12:23 AM | Link to this

samuel it is a great game to encourage and have fun learning. it is also a pretty good way for a kid to get some help with college tuition without beating down their bodies and exposing their noggins to too many lumps. i imagine he is pretty athletic so he will do well. it seems he has the killa mentality of his dad. heh heh, if he is already going for the goal. my son and daughter both gravitated to the other side of the pitch as a keeper and defender respectively. now that i think about it at your sons age my son was more interested in the piles of dirt than following the scrum.

as far as the debate this was more up mccain’s alley and no one blew it tonight. mccain could have lost it tonight and had the most to lose. it was more like the way tiger approaches a golf tournament you cant win it on the first day but you can certainly lose it. really, the longer mccain stays in it the stronger the opponent he becomes. again, i feel we at last have a choice whereas the past few elections i have considered it a choice of lesser of two evils. of course so very wrong in 2000 to the point i couldnt face it enough to vote in 2004.

By Ariose

September 27, 2008 1:53 AM | Link to this

Jason Williams Retires!!!!

WTF????? I knew something was up when he took that Clippers job. Jason Williams the Backup???? Nah….

By doc

September 27, 2008 2:32 AM | Link to this

interesting evening. i walked into a rally for the legalization of medical marijuana in ashland oregon. i found myself sitting next to the editor of high times, none other than ed high times rosenthal.

By Samuel

September 27, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

We would never do football. No offense to anyone who does but there’s just too much to lose IMO.

He loves to score. I’m not looking foward to the day when he doesn’t. He may have a total meltdown. I try to tell him that there’s more to being a “team” guy than scoring, but he aint buying it.

College scholarships are always the goal for me in sports. I tell all the athletes I coach not to look to the big D1 schools but the smaller academically-minded ones. Unless of course you’re a super stud. Then, get that paper.

I feel you on the voting. One thing Barack is doing is getting people back excited about the process. Kinda like Tiger in that respect. Marijuana, I definately don’t miss them days. Growing up in the 70’s and 80’s we had a lot of medical issues. Never again!! Tons of talent, WASTED.

By jhan

September 27, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

doc - any validity to the legalization of marijuana? I’ve seen first hand how it helped with pain management for cancer patients. It also helped with their appetite & settle their stomach - what we used to call the “munchies”.

By doc

September 27, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

yeah samuel, my son got a ticket to ride at one of the d-3 schools for his soccer and scores on his sat. the soccer skils definitely help to reduce the bil if there is proven interest in school. grades are important and help in the process as i saw it among my sons pers. it is also working well with my daughters teammmates with one child already sgned at a good small school in n.c. and she blew out her knee in the first game of the season this year.

lord agrree on the football with no offense. head trauma which is possible in soccer with the heading is almost impoossible to avoid. having seen the results of the head truma as a professinal it is nothing to sneeze ar. finally they are respecting it in the nfl as many of the players that fought in the trenches are overloading their health care compensation. i know this from a friend who is very involved in the nfl players association for vets. lok only to the left tackle of the falcons, his nausea is not flu after he got dinged by someone’s knee. protect their heads and i am glad that is your motto too samuel.

jhan, heard yesterday 22000 on the roll for the canniibis program in oregon from 3000 docs participating. 65000 signatures and they need 165000 for a referendum. funny all the legal marijuana grown in the us of a is right there in samuel’s neck of the woods and where the debates were last night … oxford, ms. they use the stems in the research instead of using it for clothing and rather than stick to the good stuff only for the effects. leave it to the feds to botch something so simple.

By Ariose

September 27, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

Battier Sidelined Up to Four Weeks

Houston Rockets forward Shane Battier is expected to miss the majority of the team�s preseason schedule due to inflammation in his left foot. The inflammation occurred during his rehabilitation from offseason surgery to remove bone spurs which was performed on May 9. The seven-year veteran is expected to be sidelined for up to four weeks.

By Ariose

September 27, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

Foud something funny online…

Salim Stoudamire’s First Press Confrence

Hi, guys. As you probably already know, I’ve been acquired by the Spurs. I just wanted to take my time to introduce myself to the people of San Antonio and my teammates.

The first thing I want to say is, I’m open. All the time. I’m open right now, in fact. Even though sometimes it might look like I’m guarded, trust me — I’m open.

I don’t know how it always happens, but for whatever reason, I’m always open. I wake up in the morning — open. I get up in the middle of the night to pee — open. I’m driving down the block with my Low End Theory tape in — open. So basically, just get me the rock.

This brings me to my second point. My shooting range is unfathomable. Whenever I touch the ball, the shot is something I’m comfortable with. For instance, one time at Atlanta last year, I was on the bench, but we were shooting at the other basket. A ball got tipped out of bounds and I caught it. Even though I was on the bench, on the other side of the floor, I could have hit that shot. Of course, I was open.

Remember those shirts in the Eastbay catalogs from like 10 years ago? The ones that said something like “my range starts when I enter the gym” or something like that? I bought every single one of those shirts in both colors. You know why? Because it’s true. Kind of. My range starts when I see a basketball hoop anywhere. That’s my shot. No worries.

In closing, I’d like to thank the people of San Antonio for welcoming me to your fine state. I’d also like to remind you that I’m open.

Thank you.

That’s Funny

By Ariose

September 27, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

DIRT

Yess this is what I wanted to know about Joe Johnsons off-season!!!

Joe was a little bit vauge when Sekou wanted to know about his summer exploits lol. But leave it to the hometown boys to really get the dirty laundry hehehe.

~SalimFan Sir Links A Lot~

By Najeh Davenpoop

September 27, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

Count me in as being in favor of legalizing marijuana. There should be regulations though… for example, the puff puff pass law should be strictly enforced.

By Ariose

September 27, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Atlanta Hawks Bleacher Report….

On Mark Price: Lots of teams dont even have shooting coaches. Like the Spurs who paid one momentarily to help Parker with his shot. Joe and Bibby even wen’t through slumps si he’ll defenetly help lol.

~Sir Links A Lot~

By doc

September 27, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

yeah najeh, maybe you would see some politician coming up with a slogan of a joint in every hand so one doesnt have to worry about passing. one can get obliterated and completely wasted each time you light up.

ariose, you know i love that open/range one. it is hilarious, as usual great contribution. we have to make sure you dont run off and hide at the spurs blog with your man crush/obsession on salim. we are closely monitoring your behavior. ray is helping on the surveillance angle. heh heh

btw, speaking of ray, if the above najeh law is passed then ray will be out of a job. a society, totally docile.

By ray

September 27, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

Wrong, Doc. Too many other very wicked drugs out there that do anything but calm people down…..marijuana was never that bad of a drug (yes, I know I shouldn’t be saying such things…heh). No worse an influence than an overabundance of alcohol, eh? (Think about it).

As for being out of a job, law enforcement isn’t by far the only thing I can do. It’s just what I like to do. Sorry to bust your pipe dream of me ending up in your soup kitchen.

By Ariose

September 27, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

Doc, thanks lol, Me on a spurs blog?? Mah……maybe…heh heh. I’d probably be bored over there lol.

Marijana putting Ray out of a job? Nope, Maybe if we eleminated bars and strip clubs lol J/k. There always somthing for policemen to do lol.

Poop, Beating me to a link doesn’t bother me. Beating me to THAT link…..kinda hurts lol ;-).

BTW, Why do you guys think J-Will Retired??

~Sir Links A Lot~

By doc

September 27, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

ray, i think you took it too literal or misinterpreted what i meant in the event marijuana was legalized. it was a joke but more to describe the behavior that would be associated in a stoned world created by putting a joint in everyone’s hand. usually smoking dope leaves folks pretty docile.

having seen a few folks really high on some of the other categories of stimulant drugs like crack in the area of trauma where folks had super strength it is totally different, often we called the police at grady that were on sight. it was to say if we all were high on marijuana we might have less need for police. alcohol works both as a stimulant and a sedative. no i dont think we will ever get to the point of you being in line.

By ray

September 27, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

By the way, Doc, I am being sarcastic about the soup kitchen thing. I would actually be honored to work beside you. Here’s to not having to be served by you, though….

Nice article on the “Five burning questions”, Sekou. Here are my answers:

1)No. Bibby is a one-year rental at most, I think. Re-signing him could be costlier than we need it to be, and he may not want to stay anyway. He’s what, 30, 31? It’s possible we get more value in a trade. Otherwise, we get to negotiate with a guy who although talented, may want more money (or more years on contract) than we should be paying him. I don’t know what anyone else saw, but I’ve seen nothing but ugly “negotiations” around here lately. As for Law, let him play and we’ll see rather quickly whether he’s ready or not. I think he will be just fine. He’s more physical, a better defender, and can dribble-penetrate pretty much at will. Ask the Bobcats….Claxton is an asset to be used. If he can remain healthy through the rest of his contract, then keep him around…for cheaper. Otherwise, deal him. Murray is locked up for 3 years, right (or was it two). He’s good enough to keep around.

2)Yes. Two healthy, talented bodies beats one, especially if there’s not that much of a difference in talent levels amongst all concerned. As stated, both guys are more experienced and bring things to the table that weren’t there before. I still think of them as additions rather than replacements.

3)No. JJ may not be the crowd motivator that this team needs, but does he have to be? Let him play the role of stalwart 20ppg scorer and quiet lead by example guy. Horford has already shown the undeniable traits of a charismatic leader. He gives Josh Smith a steady, work-till-ya-drop frontcourt mate who is also a focusing influence. Never was that more apparent than in the playoff series against Boston. Given the playing time, you’ll see the same from Law. Between the two of them and the two veterans (Murray, Evans), I think there will be enough motivation and leadership initiative. That is what has been lacking on the court for this team. Love JJ, but while he can focus like hell himself, he doesn’t seem to have the presence it takes to help his teammates do the same. Funny how it’s coming from the youngest/newest guys…

4)No.And I’m not completely convinced that we aren’t still in this position. Unless all of our frontcourt bench players play better than they have in the last year or two, then not much has changed. Zaza and Morris have the height/weight. But Zaza hasn’t played inspired basketball for the last two years or so, with few exceptions, and Morris hasn’t shown anybody anything since college. That’s a fact, regardless of where he’s been and what opportunities he’s had. Solo gained 25 pounds of muscle. Good. How’s his footwork? How about defensive rotation? Does this mean less fouls, or just harder ones? How’s his offensive game? Bottom Line: We still need another veteran big man to help out. A cheap one, obviously. And how Woody uses these guys will determine so much. No vote of confidence there, I’m afraid.

5)I couldn’t agree more: Much of this will depend on what Woodson does. He has a crew that’s been together for a few years for the most part. He’s got more talent (and veteran talent) than he’s had since he’s been here. He MUST run a much more versatile, less predictable and guardable offensive scheme. He MUST allow these guys to run more. He MUST allow the members of his staff to help him. He MUST learn better game management. Or, he MUST go. And no amount of blaming it all on the players is going to cut it. The players are there, as some have so repeatedly stated. So we know it’s not them. Put up or shut up time, Woody.

Other than that, I think this team has the talent to make a move up in the pecking order. A good coach will get them there.

By doc

September 27, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this

for my friend aj ….. and manny t:

http://www.asylum.com/2008/09/05/playboy-playmates-where-are-they-now/

By Sautee

September 27, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this

Clyde

Congratulations from a humble Dawg fan. Tide looks amazing!

Maybe we’ll meet y’all in the SEC Championship, IF we can right the ship.

By Clyde

September 27, 2008 11:29 PM | Link to this

Thanks Sautee. The Tide even shocked me tonight. I hope its time for another title run for Alabama. I don’t know if the powers that be will give it to us, but Alabama deserves to be the #1 or #2 team in the nation.

Roll Tide!!!!!!!!

By Ariose

September 27, 2008 11:37 PM | Link to this

Can’t Touch This, Best Ball Handle in the NBA

Shawn Marion-Game Time

~Sir Links A Lot~

By ray

September 27, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this

Man the got abused like they belonged to Mike Vick.

Clyde owns the braggin’ rights!

By ray

September 28, 2008 12:49 AM | Link to this

Ariose, you da man.

By mykhalc

September 28, 2008 1:36 AM | Link to this

MannyT, lemme know when WOODSON is toast!! i’ll know my self-imposed exile will be over then!!LOL

wassup fellas!!! i’m out again…

By ILL-Logical

September 28, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

Good piece this AM on the 5 “burning questions”. Reading between the lines: 1)Bibby is history,along with ZaZa and one other TBD in camp because the need for a quality big is paramount.

2)The current incumbant HC is on a very, very short leash because the town wants a winner NOW.

3)Al has already stated publicly his desire to not have to play the 5 all the time. I imagine privately he and others have been a little more vocal.

Keep up the good work SS.

By MannyT

September 28, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

Ariose Love that scoop on JJ’s summer. A quicker 1st step would allow him to handle his role better. It also gives the other shooters a better chance for open looks if he can break down the D with more quickness.

Now that Salim is in Texas, maybe he can get TO to hook him up with his t-shirt line

front side I’m open back side * to shoot…always*

front side I love back side to score

Yes, I enjoy the marketing savvy self promoting, egotistical types.

ray I agree that Bibby is unlikely to stay here for his next contract, but if we are winning, he may not get traded. If the relationship is good, I’d be open to playing out the year and telling him we would be glad to help with a sign & trade during th eoffseason, so he can get a little more for that last big contract (and we get some kind of asset back next summer.)

That whole Chills versus Murray and Evans thing is still a topic with a false premise to me. I do believe that with better negotiation, you could have added them to a team that had Chills instead of replacing him. But y’all want to give Your Boy Rick a ton of credit for rough arm negotiations.

As for JJ leading, let’s stop trying to make a rabbit look like a turtle. Let him do his thing and find a legitimate role player that leads. Think of Charles Oakley when he played for the Knicks. That tough team was more a reflection of his style than any other. He wasn’t the big scorer, but that was fine. Your leading scorer does not need to be the rally guy.

I do believe that the most important guy this season will not take a shot or score a point. It is time for Woody to get his in game coaching on a new level. He has enough tools to make things happen. He needs to force the action like Don Nelson would. Not necessary to go small, but go to your advantage for the game and make the other team counter. If not, mykhalc come back to the blog and the B-CUP (brainless, clueless, useless, period) gear will appear!

doc You are my link hero!

Enough said, let starting camping this week. No tents and ticks, but points and picks!

BWAF

By ant banks

September 28, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

i am not a woody lover, but it may work this year. wit’ detroit, where he was assistant it worked for years. those teams had vets, which woody has been screamin’ for.

larry brown’s system worked wit’ iverson in filly. so woody has vets on this team and young studs. it is a proven system.

as for bibby, if we are above .500 at the trade deadline, we keep him. if we are below, he goes.

By ant banks

September 28, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

i like the hawks chances this yr. even tho the east made some improvements i think we got a chance!!

the test is goin’ to be that 1st month. we have a ton of roads games and we played like crap last yr on the road. startin’ the yr. wit bibby, flip mo squad (flip and maurice) JJ i think we do better.

washington won’t get gilbert back til late january.

By ray

September 28, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this

Manny,

That makes sense to me. No harm in helping a dude out (and ourselves in the process) if he’s done good by you. Of course, I’m not sure management knows how to do that with our players…haven’t seen a lot of love over the summer. Oh, and I agree with the comments about Sund.

Ant, that makes sense to me. Of course, there’s no guarantee that it will be that simple. We might be doing well, but get offered something rather enticing in the trade market. You never know. We’ll see. In the meantime, I look forward to us smacking some teams in the face. Few teams in the East have made improvements that will have immediate impacts.

I still think that Chicago, New York, Milwaukee, Indiana, and New Jersey will have issues early on…and possibly all season long. I think Philly will be very good. So will Toronto Detroit, Boston, Cleveland…all existing powers. Orlando…I’m not sure. They still have pg issues from time to time. Charlotte won’t be better, unless DJ Augustin is a superstar. We need to show them we’re not their b!tches like we were last year….Same goes for the Wizards.

By richbrave

September 28, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

ray:

I posted you up on the FALCONS blog. Take a peek.

By blue hawk

September 28, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

With the way the Spirit Group is running the show, I don’t see Bibby staying. Well there aren’t many young and proven point guards out there. Most of the PG starters are in their late 20’s and early 30’s. Teams will definitely not let go of a proven young point guard. I’m seeing that Atlanta will take their chances on Acie Law and put the expiring contract to use for something else, who knows what.

But the ironic thing is Atlanta could end up throwing away something of need and value and find themselves back on square one. Giving Bibby away could prove to be many steps backward unless it’s for a Ricky Rubio or Derrick Rose kinda player.

By Ken Strickland

September 28, 2008 11:16 PM | Link to this

I just read an article that asked if Woodson’s job was safe after taking the Hawks to the playoffs. Woodson didn’t take the Hawks to the playoffs, the Hawks took him. During our playoff run, instead of coaching, Woodson rode the backs of 6 players.

With considerably more talent on the bench, and with Acie & Solo wanting to prove what they can do, Woodson will have to either learn how to coach or be fired.

By doc

September 28, 2008 11:31 PM | Link to this

richie, likewise here on the braves blog … heh heh

By Samuel

September 29, 2008 6:51 AM | Link to this

Cuz,

Good article on Woody. It’s nice to see again that the players support him, which is the most important thing. Joe said it best, “why change for the sake of changing”. If the availabe coaches were that good, they’d have a job.

On Bibby, again I say we should try our best to resign him. With Jason Kidd now in the west, I can see him pushing for the Allstar team this year. I really don’t see but one point guard better than him in the East(Chauncey). He’ll make it hard for us not to resign him.

By ray

September 29, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

Heh. Here goes round 1…..

I think it’s always good that players support their coach. I would say that it should be for the right reasons, but that is both idealistic and unrealistic (was that redundant?).

In Sekou’s article, I saw two players interviewed and quoted. One was JJ, who openly endorsed him. Why not? Woody probably didn’t treat his own wife as good as he did JJ. The other was Josh Smith. And his quote: ” But something must have gone right if [Woodson] is still here.”

Do you know what that is? That’s a young player trying to show that 1)He does have some class, and 2) He does not intend to be the one to make waves.

Do you know what it is NOT? A ringing endorsement. Meanwhile, I dilligently looked for all the other players who are so jazzed about working under Woody. No quotes that I saw. I must’ve missed ‘em. Hmmph. OH well.

I said it before, and I’ll say it again: Woody’s lucky. He only has a few guys who have had other NBA coaches to compare him to: JJ, Flip, Mo, Zaza, and RandMo. Allow me to quantify each one.

JJ: I don’t need to explain. He is the star of Woody’s show, plain and simple. He’ll never lack for anything from Woody. The fact that he’s our best player is beside the point, for once.

RandMO: when you’ve just left Isaiah Thomas, Woody looks awful damn good.

Zaza: a guy who traded being a first and second year backup for a starting job before it all came down around his ears two years later. Players get better from age 21 on up, not worse. I think we know what happened here, and it was a combination of things.

Flip and Mo: Mercenaries looking for a job. They got one, and it never makes sense to take a bite out of the finger of the hand that is feeding you. ‘Nuff said.

The rest of the guys have known no other NBA coach. So if you ask me, the setting for Woody’s table is pretty good right about now.

Besides, why not support the coach? The organization has established a clear order there. I mean, season ends, Knight leaves, and Sund takes over. Woody gets an offer to sign a brand new 2-year contract. The players? They get stares. Nice, Rick, real nice. You certainly set the tone, did you not? Or was that the evil Mikey Jr over your shoulder, whispering the details of very franchise non-move? Oh well, we managed to get two mercenaries into the fold. Three would’ve been better, with one of them having some serious size.

Like I said, player support is great. Besides, if you don’t at least do the classy thing….your a$$ ain’t gonna get the PT. This is Woody the Clown. And Woody don’t play dat….

By ray

September 29, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

Round 2…..

Bibby on the All-star team. Uh, NO. And we don’t need him to be an all-star for this team to be successful, which is more important. I’m not downing the dude, or doubting his natural skills. But….

He couldn’t do it in the west, when he had his best years. Of course, it was difficult to make it out there. So many guys dropping 23-25 ppg or more, and Bibby’s all-time high was 21.1 ppg, with 5.4 apg. You could say he got snubbed, but that tells you just how good the other guys were. And take a closer look: that was what Bibby was putting up as the featured guard in an offense that allowed him to shoot more than pass.

Consider now that he is NOT playing in an offensive scheme (if you want to call it that) that caters to his best abilities, and is NOT the featured guard. How can one even hope to see him duplicate his best years in the league?

That, and the all-star game does not divide candidates/members into the five specific, traditional positions. It’s mostly guards and forwards. If a center is exceptionally good, he’ll make the squad (Dwight Howard). If not, some power forward will be in that spot (Bosh, Brand, Garnett, ‘Sheed,etc), and they’ll call him a center. Same goes with guards. There might be one actual pg type on the squad. Or there might not. With guys like Wade and Arenas around, who needs a pg on the all-star squad? Yeah, Kidd has gone west. But Arenas could snap up that spot easily, if he gets going quickly after surgery.

But none of that is really the point, is it? No, the point is what we need Bibby to do, and that is facilitate. Help these young guys get away from their worst spots and into their best scoring spots (like Smith), and get them the ball when they’re in those spots (like Horford). Dribble penetrate, execute the pick-n-roll, hit the outside shot to help stretch the defense.

Re-signing Bibby is a tricky thing, and for a number of reasons:

1)He’s already in his prime. That means when our younger players are really hitting their stride, he will be past his prime and slowed down quite a bit.

2)Dude is making $15.5 million this year. What are you going to sign him for? How much of a paycut is he willing to take. Don’t get it twisted, it will be a pay cut.

3)How long do you sign him for? If he re-signs then you have to figure he put up good numbers and figures to be the starter. Okay, so what happens to our lottery pick pg then? When does he start, and when does Bibby become his backup? Keep in mind, you’ve already signed Bibby at this point, so how much are you paying him to be a backup if Law starts?

Of course, we could just trade Law (as some have suggested). For what, I have no idea. Bibby won’t be as good as he’s been, and he won’t be half that good for many more years. Somewhere along the line, we would have to draft or trade for another young pg to take the reins. Trades have been non-existent around here for the most part. The last one brought Bibby. And as for drafting….don’t you have to be kinda bad to get a good draft pick? Either that, or hope to have a good player fall into your lap by accident…

Just sayin’….

By ray

September 29, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

And yes, I am bored. This is only an attempt to stir up some dialogue….

Perhaps my ol’ pal Ariose can provide a couple dozen links to add his own wonderful flavor….heh heh!

By MannyT

September 29, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

new blog up

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