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DEL.ICIO.USI heard it was a good one
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
SMYRNA - Like most of you, I had big plans for Game 1 of the NBA Finals Thursday night.
And it didn’t matter that the game took longer to get here than that rebate check (thank you David Stern and the NBA schedule makers who think it’s cool to start the Finals six weeks after the completion of the conference finals) Bush and the boys promised.
The 9:30 (or somewhere close to it) tip off is what did me in, though. Everything was going according to plan during the first half of the Celtics’ 98-88 win. But the fatigue set in around halftime, when the Lakers appeared to be in tenuous control of the action.
Midway through the third quarter, however, seems appeared to be changing. And by the time I fell asleep late in the third, it was anyone’s game. So I wasn’t stunned to see the 10-point margin of victory for the Celtics this morning.
The Celtics are doing the same exact thing they were doing a month ago when they were battling the Hawks in that first round series. They haven’t changed their mode of operation one iota since then, and that’s a testament to the job Doc Rivers (who gets Mike Woodson-like venom thrown his way in Boston) has done all season.
Rivers has kept his team focused on the bigger prize and not the immediate result of each and every second of every game. The Celtics made a commitment to getting to this stage, a place I frankly wasn’t sure they’d be able to reach after Game 4 of that series against the Hawks.
But I have give credit where it’s due, the Celtics took shots from the Hawks, Cavaliers and Pistons and still found a way to get here. And they don’t appear to be looking back. My feeling before the Hawks-Celtics series was that Paul Pierce was going to be the Celtics’ best matchup nightmare in that series and really throughout the duration of the Celtics’ playoff run. And that’s held true.
Again, I go back to the job Rivers has done. He’s always managed to play to that strength, even when things got tight and the easy fallback option would have been to play through Kevin Garnett, who isn’t the same type of offensive catalyst that Pierce can be when he’s on his game (Pierce isn’t Kobe Bryant, of course, but he has that same stomp-on-your-throat attitude when the game is on the line and the ball is in his hands).
What Rivers told his team after Pierce went down with that leg injury (only to pull the hero routine and come back with those two huge 3-pointers) was nothing short of genius. He could have spent the entire timeout scribbling away on that little clipboard. But all the Xs and Os in the world don’t make a difference if you can’t properly motivate your guys. That should be obvious by now.
All that said, the Lakers could still be in the process of winning this thing in five or six games - the prediction of most of the so-called pundits (you know, all those know-it-alls that tell us year after year that the Eastern Conference team has no chance against the mighty Western Conference).
But I’m done underestimating these Celtics. We should all know better by now. Just like you had your doubts about them when they were belly crawling their way through that series with the Hawks.
This series is up for grabs.
Now if I could just stay up late enough to watch it while it’s happening everything will be fine.
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By MC
June 6, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this
How cares about the boys in Green. I want Sund to tell me who will be coaching my team next year.
By The Trilateral Commission
June 6, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this
I, too, want Sund to tell me who will coach the Hawks next year and I desperately want it to be anybody but Mike Flippin’ Woodson.
That said, go Celtics!
By I.MUS WRITE
June 6, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this
That was one of the better games i’ve seen this playoffs. I still believe that LA will take the series,but i actually found myself pulling for the celtics. I dont really care for Paul Pierce-but the boi has game and showed sum grit after going down with his injury.
I think the main reason i pulling for Boston was -KG….. thats my dude and i really would like to see him get a ring.
From the last blog- Najeh WTF are you talkn about dude …… you ask why would anyone respond to that azz hole ——- The question should be why wouldnt u respond—
If you are okay with racial slurs being thrown at you then thats you…. that just lets me know what type of dude you are. I suggest you get a backbone from the wizard of oz or sumthing ~ I could go on but I wont.
This is a basketball blog not an online Clan rally
By Melvin
June 6, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
Good game last nite. I agree, Lakers look like they ran out of steam and look confused in the 4th. Terrell B, Rondo quickness/def gave Fisher fits. KG manhandle Gasol and Odom. Ray stoodup to Kobe and didn’t shy away from the physical play. Boston played great def on Kobe by using multiply players to wear him down during the game. Of course, Paul’s Willis Reed impersonation motivated his teammates and inspired the fans. Game 2 will be interesting. I still think Boston need to win that game more than LA does….
By Melvin
June 6, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
Doc, looks like the Bucks are willing to deal your boy Yi. I like him as well. I think the Bucks have what we need to improve to the next level. I would like to see the Hawks pursue these current Bucks (in this order): REDD, Yi and Charlie V. Any one or combination of those players would help us tremendously…
By mavid
June 6, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this
Sekou You’re turning into an old man!
By Ryder
June 6, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
In order to get something you have to give up something (unless your the Lakers and the NBA is desperate to have you make the Finals for ratings purposes). Who would the Hawks give up to obtain any of those players? Sometimes you guys need to think about the big picture when playing Fantasy GM. Atlanta needs to keep their own first before even thinking about any deals.
Sekou you missed a Willis Reed like comeback from Paul Pierce last night. I can’t believe Bill Plaschke thought it was staged! Boy, conspiracy theorists come out the woodwork when their team loses don’t they?
I expect a great series of punch-counterpunch from these teams.
By femhawkfan
June 6, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
i could care less about the NBA Finals. I am focused on the Hawks right now: (who will be the coach? which players are returning?)
By JC
June 6, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this
Paul Pierce always acts like a baby when he gets knocked around. After he’s done with a good cry he gets back in the game. It’s nothing new with him. It’s one of the reasons he could never climb into the elite NBA player status.
By nahjay davnpoop
June 6, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this
wow, some great, in-depth reporting here, sekou. incredible insight. why don’t you change the dateline from “smyrna” to “my house.”
and be sure to keep us updated on your sleeping schedule. every great beatwriter does it.
By ronald
June 6, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this
you know it craze how the NBA is trying to get the fan you know the well African American don’t want to see the Boston Celtics I know it good for the NBA but it not because fans want to see someone that is excited not what we saw how the Celtic played to get their they had a good reguarl season record but their play off push they did’nt desire to be their in the final it make me not wanting to see the championship I hope the Laker make them look like fools
By Hawkeye54
June 6, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
Is it just me or did Paul Pierce fake that injury? Perkins barely touched him when he went down, he couldn’t walk, and then he sprints around seconds later? Sounded and looked fishy to me, Plaschke was right, looked more like professional wrestling. The only thing missing was him hulking up.
As for the Hawks, I’d gladly take a Flip Saunders-Woody swap, but if it comes down to it, I guess I’ll trust JJ’s take on the coaching.
By Najeh Davenpoop
June 6, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
Lakers are still taking this series in 5. I believe the Sixers won Game 1 when they played the Lakers in the Finals a few years ago?
Imus, I don’t go on internet message boards to prove how large my testicles are. The only reason I post on this blog is to say whatever the f-ck comes to my mind. If some 14 year old inbred redneck from Forsyth County wants to throw anti-black racial slurs at me, the joke’s on him, because I’m not black. As the Geto Boys once said — “Real gangsta-azz n-ggas don’t flex nuts, ‘cause real gangsta-azz n-ggas know they got em.”
By Najeh Davenpoop
June 6, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this
No offense to the non-inbred non-rednecks who live in Forsyth County.
By Samuel
June 6, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
Cuz,
Where did we get all the infiltrators. I know yall want ratings but my God. Ronald, son, Cathy Cox must be turning over in her grave. Ever heard of a period? GEEZUUSSS!!
Did yall see my boy, James Taylor, butcher that National anthem. In case you missed it check it out on the Celtics post game presser video. He and Carly Simon used to be the s**.
Doc, there’s a case for performance enhancing drugs if I ever saw one. Please make sure this man don’t forget his water bong next time. Please.
By A Falcons fan walks into a bar. . . .
June 6, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this
Nothing says “professional” like falling asleep on the job, then writing an article on it. Yeah, no Sportscenter last night either. Everyone got sleepy and just went home. A+ journalism. What we’ve come to expect from the AJC. Sleeping on the job.
By RealSquawk
June 6, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this
So I have two points to make today
First the Celtics Not how great that victory was because I am really not rooting for them, but do have to give them props for staying tough when Paul went down cause I think they either stayed even or pulled ahead.
That being said Paul Pierce definitely is one for the dramatic. A matter of fact the whole Celtics team does it. Rondo is the most frequent and easy to catch. Watch anytime he goes to the basket and falls down he is holding something crawling up into a ball and the popping up to be A okay. The most ridiculous of these was when Marvin Williams knocked him on his butt. He milked it he milks all of them. And Paul Pierce last night was no different.
Now the second point
Aww the second point this one might cause a tad bit of anger, but just open our minds to the this possibility.
I applaud the Celtics for their effort, but I don’t see them winning. I do want them to win one though in the next three years.
This one is on Marvin Williams and his ability to become one of the best players in the NBA.
Marvin Williams could turn into Paul Pierce!!!!!! yeah i said it I said it!!
Now I will save you all time in going to compare stats Paul Pierce came out balling averaging more point than Marvin Williams currently does.
To debate that I can only say he had a good number of veterans around him and he was a part of the offense (that i do not know)
but i do know the only part of the offense here is Joe
NOw why would i say this?? Why would i say that the stumbling fumbling Marvin Williams is anything like Paul Pierce??
Because Paul Pierce is just as fumbling and stumbling as Marvin is, but he developed body control.
So to shorten this lets not trade Marvin lets keep him get a new coach and have our own beastly trio.
and another point the only person i can think of who gets to the basket and either creates contact or scores when the team really needs it is Marvin!!
JOe don’t do it!!
By David
June 6, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this
The NBA…like MLB is removing the next generation by playing games so late. Don’t look now but to the bulk of the population, the NBA is IRRELEVANT(but it’s actually good hoops). The advatnage that MLB has is that games are every day. But once the World Series comes around kids don’t get to watch.
This series is not even CLOSE to the Celtics-Lakers of the 80’s despite all the pundits and media force-feeding us. There were hall of famers all over both teams. Come on, gimme a break.
By Najeh Davenpoop
June 6, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
Lakers are still gonna take this series in 5. The Sixers managed to win a game when they played the Lakers in the finals too. Doesn’t mean a thing. Kobe’s not gonna get shut down in the 4th quarter like that again.
Imus, there’s only one reason why I post on this blog — to say whatever the f-ck I feel like. I don’t come here to prove how big my testicles are to some 14 year old inbred redneck from Forsyth County on his mom’s laptop. If someone wants to throw anti-black racial slurs at me the joke’s on him, because I’m not black.
Like the Geto Boys once said… well they moderated me the last time I posted this message, so look it up yourself. Verse 1, lines 7 and 8.
And no offense to the non-inbred non-rednecks from Forsyth County.
By Najeh Davenpoop
June 6, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
RealSquawk, Pierce may have been fumbling and bumbling at some point but he’s always been a physical, strong bully of a swingman. He’s always had that mentality. Marvin has the mentality of a mouse. Sure, he can probably develop better body control, but the chances of him ever becoming an assertive, clutch player like Pierce are kinda slim, in my opinion. Completely changing your mindset is a lot different — I would say a lot tougher — than improving a physical skill.
By Najeh Davenpoop
June 6, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this
I look forward to my last two posts once again getting deleted by the incompetent idiot who supposedly serves as the moderator. Nice to know that comments actually pertaining to the topic are not worthy of getting posted but inflammatory racist nonsense contributed by people who don’t have anything useful or relevant to say is appropriate. Then again, not too surprising considering that the AJC makes it a point to include a blog with every hip-hop related article, just to bait the suburbanite readers into exposing their racist inner selves under the cloak of anonymity provided by the Internet.
By Najeh Davenpoop
June 6, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
Falcons fan, Sekou is the Hawks’ beat writer, not the NBA beat writer. This is why the top of the page says Hawks, not NBA. He doesn’t really have an obligation to blog about the Finals. I’d rather see him update this blog every day talking about how he falls asleep during the game, than see him turn into Steve Wyche who only updates his blog once every two weeks.
By mike
June 6, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this
You would think that since the NBA insists on having the games sooo late for us folks in the East, they would at least have one of the games on Friday or Saturday night so people who get up early to work M-F would get a break and could actually stay up and watch and entire game….But no, game 2 isn’t until late Sunday night…
By RealSquawk
June 6, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this
Najeh Davenpoop
I do agree with you. Marvin Williams isn’t assertive, but I am pretty sure that can change with a few inspiring words and a new offense.
Marvin Williams might be deferring out of habit he came off the bench at UNC then has been no higher than the third option on this team when he should really have been the second.
And I don’t think he is unassertive he is just trying to play within the offensive system
By SalimFan
June 6, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this
Realsquak, Paul NEVER fumbeled. Marvin RUSHES and gets to deep in the paint to do anything with the ball. Paul’s nickname in HS was molases b/c he played so SLOW. He’s gotten a lot faster I might ad but he was never out of control. Just slow and effective.
I like Marvin’s game though. I say if we don’t see any significant improvement by the all-star break then the Hawks should consider dealing him.
He needs to contest jump shoters better. Rebound like he did for spurts in the playoffs and learn to effectively convert at the basket in traffic……a 3pt shot would be nice too but it’s not necessary.
By I.MUS WRITE
June 6, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
Najeh…….. is a white guy??? Not that it really matters,I see people for who they are….. Do your thing guy- your post’s are always pretty intresting. U kinda threw me off with the name….LOL Y not Biff, Chad,or Brett…….. im joking
Realsqwak- deffering out of habit is no excuse especially after you’ve been in the league for 3 years -look at AL Horford- They guy came in and got right in the mix of things and earned his respect…….. Marvin is just to passive and clumsy IMO…….. If he doesnt show any signs of improvement next year i say trade him with Bibby for sumone who can come in and help us immediately……
I would rather have a player with moderate talent who works hard to improve and leaves everything he’s got on the floor vs. a player with great talent that does’nt play hard or is just passive. I hope marvin comes back this year with a vengence to shut us all the hell up but until then i gotta call it like I see it.
By RealSquawk
June 6, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this
I.MUS Write and SalimFan
I totally agree with you guys those things are true and I was just talking about the people not willing to give him another season
By richbrave
June 6, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this
SAM:
From last time. Why that would be me, SAMUEL. The all knowing, all seeing and munificant OZ.
And guys, easy on the racial stuff. We live in a homogenous society. All for one and one for all. Live and let live. Peace.
By darin
June 6, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this
i thought i clicked on the link that said “Hawks”
By Casey
June 6, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this
Howdy yall. I just finished eatin some of grandma’s chocolate chip cookies. They’re good. I have to run, its bingo night at Esther and Ruth’s home.
Your friend,
Casey.
P.S. Hello Ray and Sautee. Sorry, but you are not invited to bingo.
By Harpie
June 6, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this
PLEASE - NO MORE WOODSON!!!!!
By Casey
June 6, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this
You should have listened up!
By MannyT
June 6, 2008 7:27 PM | Link to this
Sekou you should be able to use a DVR as a business expense. Time for a new accountant?
I was down from blogging due to a hang nail. It hurt and rolled around on the ground. I thought I might not blog for a week. Then I saw Paul Pierce. I put that little butterfly bandage on and I am back! LOL
I wasn’t impressed. Not saying he wasn’t injured, but I am so tired of mediots (media idiots) making a big deal out of it like he was Willis Reed or Nancy Kerrigan after meeting the Tonya Harding gang. He was out as long as someone who had to pee…hmmmm
Perkins was out longer. He might actually be hurt, but you hear nothing about him.
After implying that Pierce seemed a little soft last night (which he admitted in an interview today,) I will say that Marvin needs a little nasty streak to move up a level. All those drives to the basket…imagine how many more might be successful (hoop or foul) if he just had 20% more roughneck in him. Even when he accidentally slammed Rondo, you knew that wasn’t him. The result was more a clumsy attempt to stop the play and catch the guy. He grew up in Seattle—how about a little Xavier McDaniel streak. A little off season 1 on 1 no foul showdown twice a week during the summer.
Free Woody to talk with Detroit. Larry Drew probably misses the job unless no one else wants it. His best shot to move up was to get that 20-30 game trial as interim coach. I still think Woody stays and gets a multi year extension here, but the situation will be much better if the ASG and Sund don’t block him on the Detroit interview.
I realize that Flip won’t come within a bordering state of here. He gets $5.5 Mil from Detroit to not coach next season. Why mess up your rep by getting in the midst of our confusion?
richbrave Haven’t seen you in a few days. Hope all is well. I saw that Shawn Springs is not happy with the Skins. Why didn’t big bucks Snyder toss his wallet into the Pacman deal before his uncle Jerry?
The ink is black, the page is white, together we learn, to read and write…I heard that on the radio a looooong time ago.)
Hawks fans know that PAIN is more than a 3 minute break in the 3rd quarter.
By FSU
June 6, 2008 7:37 PM | Link to this
New to the blog, but no way they hire any proven head coach. They don’t have any funds. Why else keep Woodson??? Or Wadell?? They don’t have any money. And if Detroit signs him they are done. Bill Davidson should just slap Dumars.
By mykhalc
June 6, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this
set #1…JJ go ‘this’ way!!!
set #2…JJ go ‘that’ way!!!
just added new set since season’s end and just presented to SUND!!
set #3…JJ go ‘either’ way!!!
this is why WOODSON will NOT get any extension!!! and remember i called it 3 blogs ago!!!! i’m just gettin’ an early start in pattin’ myself on the back!!!LOL
By Sautee
June 6, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this
myk
I’m pullin’ for you to be psychic.
I know you can be psychedelic ;-)
By mykhalc
June 6, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this
Sautee, LOL. let’s hope my crystal ball doesn’t have some of that san fran fog over it!!!
By ray
June 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this
Blechhh…where’d these beat writer-hating morons come from?
I’m tired of trolls. Perhaps I’ll change my name to troll destroyer. Naw, then I’d sound like the trolls…
I’m not buying Pierce’s act. Carried off the court by teammates, rolled out in a wheel chair, then comes back out the tunnel and as soon as the crowd can see him, he’s dancing like Apollo Creed (y’all know where I’m comin’ from). Whatever. I do know this: his stunt revved up the crowd and his teammates, and he had one heck of a clutch performance. He was the difference in the end. Gotta give credit where credit is due. Dude produced.
Marvin Williams and Paul Pierce are NOT the same class of player. Pierce was bringin’ it in Kansas. He never stopped bringin’ it in the League. I have no particular love for the cat, but he can straight up ball. Marvin is the guy that people keep saying the same thing about year after year: “He looks like he’s turning the corner and justifying his lofty draft status from ‘05.” Whatever. It must be one hell of a corner, because he hasn’t turned it yet…And if he does the exact same thing this coming year (assuming he’s on the roster, which he probably will be), then you pretty much have what you see. And I won’t want to hear any more about it.
Extend the shooting range to legit 3-point threat and gain the ability to EFFECTIVELY go to the basket CONSISTENTLY. In other words, convert and get to the line more. Otherwise, same ol’ same ol’.
Uh…when are we getting word on the coaching situation?
By Casey
June 6, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this
Listen up Ray! You are stuck with Woodson. Deal with it. You missed an exciting night of bingo. All I needed was O17 and I would have won a serving of Esther’s peach cobler. Darn. Keep on trollin’, bacon man.
By SalimFan
June 6, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this
Ray, In an article I read (can’t remember wich one,cause I read so many……ESPN I believe) he said that this time next week he should be able to effectively answer questions about woodson’s future (he would not comment on it at the time). And I read that yesterday. so…..I’m assuming that between thurday and saturday of next week we SHOULD have our answer. I’m hoping is’s sooner than that, but it at least puts my mind at ease since he has given an estimated “Announcement Date”.
In the mean time i’ll try and find the article for you guys.
By SalimFan
June 6, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this
OK I found it. you should be able to spot Sund’s quote right away.
By MannyT
June 6, 2008 11:01 PM | Link to this
SalimFan that article is all over the place. I believe it is an AP story that everyone picked up.
I get the impression that the ASG is waiting until the last possible moment to announce what will happen. The messy part of that is how others will view the organization. Even if they want to keep him, there is still an offer and acceptance thing that has to happen. He isn’t under contract a month from now.
Your AAU pals might be running the Rocky Mountain Revue team. A team that is full of guys from a local pick up game (as there hasn’t been any word on the futures of the GM staff that would find these players.)
myk if you start combining those, you get a bigger playbook. Play #4 could be fake 1, do 2. Play #5 - fake 2, do 1. Now that he has Bibby, he might have 10 plays. Now that Al’s not a rookie, maybe he can get a play.
WAFFI
By Ken Strickland
June 6, 2008 11:47 PM | Link to this
I want to comment on the Marvin Williams issue. I know why he has problems driving hard to the basket. I had the same problem when I was in my prime as a player. At 6’1” I could take one step and dunk with both hands easily. However, whenever I drove hard to the basket, I couldn’t elevate and finish strong at the rim. That was because I was a vertical jumper, like DWilkins, not a horizontal jumper, like MJordan or JErving. Marvin has the same problem, and it affects his drives to the baskets. I had to resort to taking a skip to gather both legs under me and power straight up to the rim. DWilkins did the same thing, if you can remember.
Marvin is strong, has a deadly jumpshot and is a tremendous vertical leaper. He needs to improve his ballhandling skills and his shooting range, but not at the expense of losing his midrange accuracy. With a quick, fast, penetrating PG like Ford, Calderon or Law, Marvin could be very effective in a penetrate and dish OFF. Add an OFF that runs him off picks to get him open shots and consistently involved in the OFF, and he could easily average 18-20PPG. Marvin is an efficient scorer and goes to the FT line frenquently.
I don’t understand all of this get rid of Marvin crap. He was the 4th option on the team behind JJ, Bibby and Smoove. He had no plays run for him, like Chills, yet he still managed to average about 15PPG without taking many shots and he consistently got to the FT line. You don’t get rid of a player like this, you find ways to maximize his talents and overall contributions.
By SalimFan
June 7, 2008 12:32 AM | Link to this
Manny, I din’t know it was AP, I was just sying that in that article that was the first i’d heard of Sund HINTING at a possible date (sometime next week, I hope) to address his Findings, and decisions with the media.
Ken, I hear ya. I think when people criticize Marvin they forget that he doesn’t have plays ran for him, and unlike chills, he doesn’t have a nose for rebounding loose balls very well YET. Mos of the time he’s too far away from the basket (on offense) to pick up an ofensive rebound and convert. I’m pretty sure his 5 rebounds per game average comes from the defensive end most of the time.
As for the Vertical/Horizontal leaping theory. I agree with you. I’ve never thought about it that way. It didn’t occur to me the some people arent comfortable finishing with their momentum headin twoard the basket. It explains a lot.
In that case marvin might want to employ a jump stop before finishng at the rim. Now i’m not talking about a complete jump stop….While he is attacking the rim let his momentum carry him further twoard the basket W/the jump stop and finish. It’s a very effective move and always throws defenders off for some reason.
This kid does it perfectly (36 second mark).
This would allow Marvin to keep his momentum going while elevating verically insted of horizontally.
By ray
June 7, 2008 12:36 AM | Link to this
Ken, you only move Marvin if you can get something better. Consider this: if Woodson stays, there goes our chances of maximizing anything Marvin has to offer or might develop into further. Key phrases: “an offense that runs” and “maximizing talents.” What I don’t understand from Woodson supporters is how we’re supposed to expect him to do things like this when he didn’t do them for 4 years straight….
But who gives a F* anymore. I’m ready to either be resigned to him being here or be looking to see who will replace him. Personnel moves don’t mean a thing until Sund makes a decision on who will be coaching this team.
By SalimFan
June 7, 2008 1:05 AM | Link to this
For Another example of this (Jump Stop) just think back to the Poster KG created yesterday over Gasol. He drove, gatherd himself with a jump stop and flused it down Gasol’s throaght bwahahaha…..
It happens at the 27 second mark
If marvin can learn to utilize this move insted of fubling his way deep into troube he could be more of an asset than a liability next season.
By Joe
June 7, 2008 1:22 AM | Link to this
If Woody is being “courted” by another team…then LET HIM GO!! He is 100 games below .500 he should have been ran out of town a long time ago!!!
By MannyT
June 7, 2008 1:37 AM | Link to this
ray welcome to the Billy Jack School of Management and Education.
I got there weeks ago. While it’s not likely that Woody gets better without several veterans, this dangling by a vine does no good for him, fans, or the team.
In SalimFan fashion, let me use video to explain the Billy Jack School of Management and Education. Listen carefully 1:15 into clip. Stop clip at 1:42 and wait this is exactly where we are as a fan base. The main difference is in the 1970s this is where the tape breaks in the movie theater.
We all know what both sides want to do, but will anyone get satisfaction if the movie tape isn’t repaired? Or does everyone leave upset (including BK & Woody) because it takes too long to fix the bleepin’ tape!
Isn’t slow PAIN the same as torture?
By Clyde
June 7, 2008 1:42 AM | Link to this
Let Him Go!
By nahjay davnpoop
June 7, 2008 2:00 AM | Link to this
woody is not being seriously courted by the pistons. he’s just being used as leverage, if he’s being used at all.
more than anything, this is just sekou “trying to help a brother out.”
cuz they gotz 2 stick 2getha, homie.
By cp
June 7, 2008 2:06 AM | Link to this
The thing thats so frustrating with Marvin is that it looks like his game hasn’t really improved much since his rookie year. Yea his numbers are up but his game looks the same. I really hope that this summer he takes a cue from Josh Smith and works with some legend like Hakim or just bust his a* period this summer trying to improve his game. He needs to be hitting the weights and working on his handles all summer long. I think if he had better handles his game would improve dramatically. His drives are so bad because most times he is loosing the ball or dribbling it off his foot. Adding the 3 pointer would also help. ALL summer it should be dribbling, putting up as many 3 point attempts as he can, and lifting weights.
By nahjay davnpoop
June 7, 2008 3:33 AM | Link to this
cp,
blah blah blah - shut up.
the problem is marvin is he’s not chris paul and he never will be.
By ray
June 7, 2008 6:53 AM | Link to this
CP, that’s the very crux of the Marvin and Josh argument. May I be struck down for bringing that one back up. You know what amuses me? The Pro-Marvin camp is right: Marvin is more coachable (if you call less assertive more coachable). He is supposed to be smarter (but doesn’t make plays nearly as often). He’s got a much better jumper than Josh. But…THE NUMBERS DON’T LIE. And neither do scouts around the league. Read what is said currently about each player on DraftExpress. Witness who showed up in the playoffs. And still what do you hear from people?
“Give Marvin another year. He’s going to be an all-star.”
“Josh hasn’t gotten better yet? It’s been 4 freakin’ years! He should be better than this by now, but he sucks and he’s dumb!”
Heh…
By Samuel
June 7, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this
Guys
Can we please, Let’s Chill. What’s the rush on coaching situation. There probably wont be any major announcement before the Finals are over. They have center stage right now.
Let the guys take a break and do a little fishing, spend time with the family: my God can we get-a-life?
You notice that none of the Real franchises have made any announcements so do yall think the broke as$ Spirit will make a move. If we do move Woody, it will be for whoever is left over after: CHICAGO, PHX, AND DETROIT have made their move. We get sloppy 4ths.
On Marvin: I’ve been saying every since the news came out back in the Summer that he was drafted that he was rated WWWWAAAAYYYY too high. He should have been picked at least the lower 3rd of the lottery. He is what he is. His Hoops IQ is a step slow and his feet are too dam_ big.
All that being said. We got a good core group but as my boy Ando has been saying: Somebody has got to go. I say move Marvin, Salim and even Za Za. Solo really impressed me during the playoffs. I think it’s time to get him some serious minutes. Maybe even start him. I think we need to resign Bibby if at all possible. I love Acie but he’s no Bibby yet.
JJ, Al and Josh should be untouchables. They are the heart and SOUL of this team POOH. What ever Josh lacks in decisionmaking ability, he make up for it in Heart, freekish athletic ability (which translates into butts in the seats), defense and the desire to win.
Yall, think about this senerio. The Celtics win in six. That means we ended the season the second best team in the NBA. How do you fire your coach after that?
I’m excited and Heck about next year. I would be even more excited if we just Ride the Playoff Wave we formed next year.
Gotta go. Them bass are calling.
Keep Woody!!
By JohnD
June 7, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this
Are those “pundits” the same guys who had the Knicks as the fourth, fifth or sixth best team in the East prior to last season?
By RealSquawk
June 7, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
Everyone keeps saying someone has to goand you are right. Someone does have to go, but the person who wants to go is going to leave and not even ask the hawks for offer. And that is Salim Stoudamire one of the better athletes and and the best shooter on the hawks. Why he doesn’t play is because he is lost in Woody’s bench,
The only way he stays is if a new coach comes in and says you will be a big part of this offense.
and you should want him stay
By jhan
June 7, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this
Heard on the radio yesterday that Thibodeau is getting a hard look from Sund. Can’t do anything until the Finals are over with him. The guy draws up good defenses but is he head coach material?
I don’t remember anybody talking about what a good coach Woodson was during the regular season. How do three wins in the playoffs turn him into a good coach?
People that are dogging Flip I have to ask one question - do you think Woody guides us to series victories over Orlando & Cleveland if our playoff seedings were magically reversed? He couldn’t even coach us to a single digit LOSS at Boston.
While I think Woody has been dealt a less than optimal roster, he truly has shown no signs of stepping up his game. If he is unable to change/improve how do you expect him to make those improvments in his players?
Just asking.
By Ken Strickland
June 7, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this
RAY-we understand each other when it comes to Marvin. There’s also another player Woodson and his staff should work on, and that’s JSmoove. He obviously has small hands for his size, like M oses Malone. All of his shots are directed to the front of the rim, and that leaves him with little margin for error. He needs to be introduced to that square on the backboard just above the basket. TDuncan has made a living using it while compensating for being an awful outside shooter. He should learn to pull up when he is within a few feet of the basket and his path is blocked and concentrate on putting the ball inside that square. It will cut down on his charges, his overall turnovers, and increase his scoring and shooting % without taking any additional shots.
SALIM FAN-if you can remember back to the days of the HIGHLIGHT FILM, you will recall that Dominique was not a good finisher on fastbreaks when he was dribbling the ball. If he had the ball he would sort of drag his foot and pump the ball with 2 hands behind his head, like a 2handed dunk, and lay the ball in. He was the most powerful 2 handed dunker in the NBA in his prime, but you seldom saw him finish a one handed dunk, especially if he was dribbling the ball to the basket.
In High School, I couldn’t dunk with one hand, but I could do it easily with 2. That’s because I was always trying to imitate the way I saw others gliding in, in full stride, and dunking. I just couldn’t get any elevation that way. It wasn’t until college that someone told me what my problem was and what I was doing wrong. Someone needs to do the same for Marvin.
To do what I was doing at 6’1”, I thought I was tough S—t. Then reality set in. I tried to go up against a rather skinny player from Chipley, FL called the ATRAIN, Artis Gilmore. I quickly found out he had some vertical leaping ability too, and a 7’1” frame to go with it. After getting out of the military I went back to college and made the team. In my 2nd gm I really met my match when I got creamed by 2 former Tenn State teammates, former NBA Allstars LNeal, the Trailblazers former ROY, and the Suns and Hawks former player “TRUCK” Robinson. Gilmore was rather thin when I went up against him, but Neal and Robinson were physical beasts, and had some serious skills to go with that size. They beat me like I’d stolen something and didn’t break a sweat in the process. In fact, that was the last college gm I ever played because I quit the team after that gm, but for a completely different reason.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I am encouraged each day we get closer to the end of Woodson’s contract without an extension. I can only hope.
By SalimFan
June 7, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
Realsquak, I completly agree. If sund doesn’t say anything to him, he’s not going to come back. Obviously he is one of the best shooters on the team.
If this keeps up by the time sund announces a new coach salim will have already signed on someones dotted lines. Weather it be stateside or overseas.
Ando, (From a couple of blogs ago…) I’ve always stated how salim gets the points if he gets the minuets. I’ll say this. If salim ever averages 30MPG like he did in college then it’s guranteed that he will AT LEAST average 18ppg like he did in College.
By SalimFan
June 7, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this
Ken, A-TRAIN No way. At 6’1 thay couldn’t have been a fun experience lol.
It’s tough to finish in traffic when you get your power from both legs and not one. Especially if you’re not tall…..that takes smoe real craftyness.
I’m all for some good competition but “TRUCK” Robinson??? I’d want no part of that paint experience lol.
By SalimFan
June 7, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this
STOP!!!! Hold everything. Why in the H E L L does Marvin look like a Basketball GOD in this Video???
I think wody eventually made him LOOSE HIS CONFIDENSE!!!!!
Woody MUST GO now!!!!
By Sautee
June 7, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this
salimfan
Hey, man I like Salim, and think he’s a very good shooter. But if he ever averages 30 min. a game the guy he’s guarding will likely get more than 18, effectively negating his positive impact. Dude has a big heart, but he just can’t stay in front of many (if not most) of the folks he’d be asked to guard at 30 min. a game.
I do think he could be an effective “microwave” off the bench for about 15 min. for the right team with an uptempo offense.
I’ll hate to see him go without seeing that possibility fulfilled here. Another wasted draft pick.
By kwooden1
June 7, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this
I’ve been meaning to weight in on Marvin’s issues with driving to the basket for awhile now, but forgot. A friend of mine reminded me of the difference between guys that jump off two feet and guys that can jump well off one foot. Marvin’s definitely a two feet jumper, which keeps him from taking a long first step or last two steps to finish at the basket. Chills is a great example of a guy who can do both, but is very effective as a one foot jumper. He’s very fluid with his moves to the basket and jumps around people to finish his layups. Marvin looks awkward and doesn’t jump around people well. I still think Marvin’s body hasn’t fully matured and that is a cause of him losing the ball a lot and falling down on drives to the basket. I think next year will be a really good indicator of where he can go with his game.
I’m still in the camp that the HAWKS are going to have to trade Chills because they won’t be able to afford him. (Not because he’s not worth it) If they sign JS to around 10 mil/per they probably can sign only one more quality player and that could be Dave Anderson. Even though the concensus is he’s soft and a poor defender, they say he can shoot. If he can score, then he can start and move Marvin to the bench. Then when Marvin comes off the bench, he can be the primary scorer, which may force him to improve his game. I think this is a realistic plan, knowing that the ASG is cheap. Chills is a great asset and deserves a good contract, I just don’t think that the HAWKS can offer it. I hate to say this, but in my mind a lot of next year rides on Speedy. If he can play they have three point guards (if they keep Bibby) and they can bring Acie along slowly. If he can’t play, they need to find away to get his salary off the cap and us it to possibly sign Chills or a quality FA.
Ken Strickland great post on Marvin, I think I’m saying the same thing but in a slight different way.
GO HAWKS!
By SalimFan
June 7, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this
As Far as Sheldon is concerned, There is just no Excuse for this…
Sheldon has no excuse….He’s got at least 30lb’s and three inches on RJ….well, maybe not three inches lol.
We should have drafted his other half instead
By SalimFan
June 7, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this
Sautee, You might be right, but Salim played solid defense this season (he said he had worked on it in the off season) but we can never really know know haw far he he’s come in that department without the proper playing time.
Personally I think 30 min is just right…
By Clyde
June 7, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this
Amen SalimFan. I still would even take Candace over Beyonce. BYE BYE WOODY
By I.MUS WRITE
June 7, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this
I would’nt mind see’n Salim here for a few more years,but i think he is gone sumtime this summer.
Woodcock is a confidence killer period point blank, How is it that salim’s best year was rookie year and every year he got worse???……..
I really hope he goes sumwhere and get’s ample playing time…… I think he can be a 13pt 3 assist type guy with about 20 minutes a game.
There were times this year when his defense was suspect,but the last 10-15 games of the season he did a good job containing his man.
Sheldon Williams- brick hands /14 inch vertical…..Come on -this is even worse than the 05 draft. I was right all along,I said that Shellz,Reddick and Morrison would all flop or be role players at best…..
Candace-How the hell did shell head get that…. his tounge must be about a foot long
SalimFan-We should call u the king of links…… need video or clips he’s your dude.
No news seems to be bad news as far as the coaching situation goes -Its gonna be hard as hell to watch this team next year if Woodcock is resigned. I can see it now if turtle claxton returns and bibby is here the full year -Acie will get splinters from riding the pine so hard.
By I.MUS WRITE
June 7, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
Clyde - Are you sipping at 1:23 pm, Candace is hot but she is no where near Beyonce hot, Unless you like slim over GOD DAMMM!!!
By richbrave
June 7, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
MANNY T:
Been blasting about SECRETARIAT and BIG BROWN on FURMAN BISHER’S BLOG, and going heavy posting with down home info on the RICHMOND-BRAVES on CHOP CHICK’S and DAVID O’BRIEN’S sites. Even posted up on BA’s new site, but incognito.
Been getting the thesis published before I go get cut on some more.
Went to a WASHINGTON NATIONALS game memorial weekend. First major league game I’ve ever attended. Nice. Very nice.
Watching CHARLIE MORTON here in RICHMOND and two grandson’s AAU and RBI games. Enjoying life MANNY T.
Since SUND came around things have quieted down. And WOODSON appears to be a fixture for awhile so I’m just being cool with the posting here waiting for the signing deadlines and the draft. As in, what draft re: the HAWKS.
Nothing big with the WIZARDS. Haven’t read a REDSKINS blog in at least a month, but we need SPRINGS for two more years. Don’t like to hear that noise. But I see the owners have rejected the last two years of the current salary cap thing. I feel SNYDER’s got a hand in that somewhere. He doesn’t like restraints standing in the way of his money allowing him to do as he pleases. Well, maybe I’m selling the man short-then again….
Later.
By mykhalc
June 7, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this
KEN, very good point about ‘NIQUE and how it reflects MARVIN’s struggles!! yeah, ‘NIQUE didn’t make me as nervous as MW when i see/saw them put the ball down in traffic!!! but they are no doubt related in that regard!!!
By jhan
June 7, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
I don’t remember seeing Nique trip over himself & fall down every other time he took the ball to the basket. What does that have to do with jumping? I seriously don’t think Marvin could dribble the ball full speed down the court without losing his handle or tripping over himself - unguarded. If someone is guarding him or he needs to make a move - forget it.
You can almost make the case that ZaZa does a better job bringing the ball up court & finishing on the break than Marvin!!
By mykhalc
June 7, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
MARVIN definitely has a degree of fumble-itis and stumble-itis we haven’t seen before!!!LOL it’s like he’s havin’ an outta body experience or somethin’!!!
By Sautee
June 7, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
Yeah, Marvin dribbling looks like a high school sophomore who’s not grown into his body yet.
Thank God he can at least shoot a mid-range jumper.
But at 6’9”’ shouldn’t he have an easier time with 3 pt. range than say 6’1” Salim? Maybe he grew too fast and is still 5’8” in his mind.
By SalimFan
June 7, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
Manny, Nice Billy Jack refrence lol.
I.Mus, Thanks and I agree about Woodson and Sheldon being vrtically challenged.
Candace or Beyonce Hmmm…On one hand I do love good lookin athletic women, but on the other hand it’s Beyonce. I’ll just go with a dark horse now everyone can be happy lol.
Hehehheehe…Gotta love it lol.
By Ken Strickland
June 7, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this
Trust me fellows, Marvins issues are no joke, especially if he’s unaware of them. I was able to compensate for the restrictions of being 6’1” and a vertical leaper, because I had big hands and could easily palm and control the ball. Having hands big enough and strong enough to control the ball and keep it away from the defender in close is crucial. How successful do you think DR J, MJ, CHawkins, GMcGinnis, GGervin etc, would have been without having hands big enough and strong enough to control the ball the way they did?
Both Marvin and JSmith have small and rather weak hands, which makes it difficult to control the ball in tight and keep it away from defenders. I learned to do certain things to compensate and they should do the same. For instance:
(1)They should learn to cup the ball like I did. It allows you to maintain one handed ball control, and maneuver while maintaining proper balance. You can also change hands and/or pass with ease. It’s so much harder to maintain proper balance, ball control and maneuverability if you’re trying to finish and maintain control of the ball in tight with both hands.
(2)They should develop inside moves designed to get them within 5-6ft of the basket, and at proper angles for bank shots and jump hooks, instead of right at the rim. Marvin actually developed a nice running hook accross the lane near the end of the season, if you’ll remember.
(3)Tim Duncan has been an inside force in the NBA for yrs, and he isn’t known for being a strong dunker. Hewever, he is known for being a strong inside scorer because he uses his skills to get within 5-6ft of the basket and creates angles for his deadly bank shots and jump hooks. He forces teams to double him and passes out for open jumpers. Both Josh and Marvin should be made to think like that.
Woodson, or whoever is the Hawks HC, should understand you can’t establish an inside OFF when your BIGS are constantly standing out on the floor. As a HC, instead of criticizing and punishing players for being unable to do certain things certain ways, like Woodson tends to do, you find out why they’re having difficulties. Then you seek solutions to the problems and put them in situations that will help them succeed.
Marvin shouldn’t be asked to take his man off the dribble if it poses a problem for him, which it does. Yet, if he wants to involve himself in the OFF, that’s what he often has to do. Woodson has yet to see fit to modify his OFF to free one of the NBA’a most accurate midrange shooters. JSmith should not be put in a position of having to hoist 3pt shots with the shot clock expiring. He should be using his tremendous talents inside to force DEF to collapse on him, which would create open shots for shooters like Bibby, JJ, Marvin and Chills, yes Chills.
THE HAWKS DON’T NEED MORE TALENT TO BE A SUCCESSFUL WINNING TEAM, WE JUST NEED TO GET MORE OUT OF THE TALENT WE HAVE, AND WOODSON HASN’T SHOWN HE CAN DO THAT.
By SalimFan
June 7, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this
Sekou, Another nice piece on the NBA Draft canadates.
Ken, I completeley agree. A good coach is able to utilize the talent given to him in a way that makes the team the most successful…..and that has absolutely nothing to do with benchwarming.
By ray
June 7, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this
Oh but he will next year. The first 4 years were just an aberration. Fifth year is the charm for coaches. Or is that first-time head coaches? Oh I don’t know, but we’ll all see that Woody is actually a very good head coach. The problem lies only with the players. They’re stupid and don’t listen to anything he says, which is why we’ve been losing all these years. Young players should know how to teach and develop themselves, regardless of their age or background. Woodson is special and is being unfairly martyred. You’ll see.
By Matt
June 7, 2008 7:35 PM | Link to this
Ken,
Maybe Smoove has small hands (I honestly haven’t noticed that, though), but what on earth are you talking about with Marvin’s hands?? Marvin has problems with his handles, but his hands are freaking huge. That’s one of the things that made people think he would make such a great prospect in ‘05 - his long arms and large hands were thought to be a formula for someone who would cause opposing forwards fits because they couldn’t rip the ball from him and because he would be able to slap the ball away on D. Google his old scouting report and you’ll find references to his large hands being a positive attribute. Besides, have you ever seen the dude shoot free throws? The reason he has such good control on those is because his hands cover so much of the damned ball.
Marvin’s main problem is what Najeh said - he’s too timid. It’s hard to get to the rim when you’re happy to stand out on the perimeter and prefer to pass it away rather than take it into the paint (it also doesn’t help when your coach calls for you to be a spot-up midrange shooter on every play). His secondary problem as a ballhandler is the same as Smoove’s main problem - he dribbles too high, which makes it hard to control. His hands are the least of his concerns. In fact, the fact that he has large hands makes it even more frustrating that he hasn’t shown better development with his handles.
I agree with the rest of what you said, though.
And now, back to my self-imposed exile (it’s done wonders for my health!).
By Casey
June 7, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this
Listen up Matt! Get a life and go back into exile!
P.S. Why are you concerned with the size of another man’s hands? You claim not to have noticed, but I bet you could tell us all which players have big feet and which dudes wear small shoes……
Get a life.
Your friend, Casey. Well, not quite friend, but it makes for good posting.
Holla!
Get a life!
By terrell barron
June 7, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this
Who else feels sorry for Big Brown? That horse was not ready for that race, and they freakin knew it. That’s abuse if you ask me. I Had to get that s** off my chest. Where’s PETA? Where’s the FEDS? Hipocrites!! I’m not trying to start an argument, so dont respond if you disagree. And oh yeah, Fire Woody and hire Mark Jackson.
By Sautee
June 7, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this
That’s not who I feel sorry for.
By stevo
June 7, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this
I’m not trying to start an argument, so dont respond if you disagree. By terrell barron
ha! that is funny.
in other words, just let you have an open forum to unleash unchallenged rants and opinions because you said so?
ah, if only the world worked that way. but it doesn’t, so grow up.
as for your particular rant, i don’t really care, but since you mentioned one of the most ridiculous organizations in existence in peta, i will say it is just a horse and he should be grateful he gets treated as well as he does because he has some use to humans. if he has to suffer a little, he will certainly recover while spending his days being a literal stud.
cheers!
By femhawkfan
June 7, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this
NBA COACHING ALERT
The Suns have selected Terry Porter, an assistant for the Detroit Pistons, as their new head coach.
By Najeh Davenpoop
June 7, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this
I always wondered why the Bucks fired Terry Porter a year after he took his team to the playoffs and replaced him with Terry Stotts, of all people. Terry Porter might actually be a pretty good hire there. I still don’t think you can win a title when your two best players refuse to play defense, but they probably won’t fall off too far from where they are at right now.
Imus, I’m not white either…
By stevo
June 7, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this
Ando, (From a couple of blogs ago…) I’ve always stated how salim gets the points if he gets the minuets. I’ll say this. If salim ever averages 30MPG like he did in college then it’s guranteed that he will AT LEAST average 18ppg like he did in College.
i averaged 16 points per game in high school and played about 30 minutes a game. does that mean if i got 30 minutes a game for the hawks i would average 16 a game like i did in high school?
your idiocy knows no bounds. you are a complete tool with your salim logic. i am glad you brought up europe, as that is where players who do not belong in the nba go. that is not where short, no handles, no d, no drive players who ‘would average 18 points a game if just given a chance go’.
complete tool.
By Dr. De
June 7, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this
Thoughts; Marvin & Zaza to Milwaukee for Charlie V., Desmond M. and the 8th pick. OR Marvin to Minnesota for 3rd pick and Mccants or Brewer? Marvin’ greatest value is in a trade this draft.
By I.MUS WRITE
June 7, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this
Casey- I normally think of you as a shyt starter….. but that was funny as hell.
Big Brown- Hell no i dont feel sorry for him …. dam horse lives better than sum humans. When he’s done racing his primary job will be knocking boots …..wheres the cruelty in that, sounds pretty dam good to me.
TB- U should watch the animal planet, when the SPCA has to go out and rescue these neglected dawgz………105 degree heat with no water or food for days…now that will turn your stomach for sure……….Big Brown….puleez
Dam it Najeh…. u camillion u-yesterday u were white today ur black …. can I just say that you’re cream colored and call it a day…..LOL LOL …….
Like I said yesterday it really does’nt matter Do you thang Bro.
By I.MUS WRITE
June 7, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this
Casey- I normally think of you as a shyt starter….. but that was funny as hell.
Big Brown- Hell no i dont feel sorry for him …. dam horse lives better than sum humans. When he’s done racing his primary job will be knocking boots …..wheres the cruelty in that, sounds pretty dam good to me.
TB- U should watch the animal planet, when the SPCA has to go out and rescue these neglected dawgz………105 degree heat with no water or food for days…now that will turn your stomach for sure……….Big Brown….puleez
Dam it Najeh…. u camillion u-yesterday u were white today ur black …. can I just say that you’re cream colored and call it a day…..LOL LOL …….
Like I said yesterday it really does’nt matter Do you thang Bro.
By SalimFan
June 7, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this
Stevo, STFU you’re NOT Salim Stoudamire…..and your game will never be nearly as nice as his. You’re NOT in the NBA for a reason. You should go overseas but I doubt you’ll make it or even have enough money for a flight back stateside after you fail.
In my 1:23pm post there is a video, watch it……THATS WHY salim can average anywhere from 18-22ppg Easy.
By the looks of your post you are OBVIOUSLY an insecure Nerd hiding behiend a keyboard who talks big. Guess what….no one cares what you have to say and no one asked for STEVO’s opinion.
If anyones a tool it’s defenetly the guy with Stevo as his handle. Get a life kid and stop responding to my posts. I really don’t make it an issue to respond or even read yours. You just like to show up once every blue moon and start trouble give it a rest.
But Hey, if haters are good for one thing it’s motivatin’ it’s just means you wish you ere in someone elses shoes. That’s ok but seriously man get a life……….it’s too short
Maybe you and Casey shoud go on a date and get some ice cream together?? Two of a kind huh…..
In the words of Drmaryb, “When you see my name, Just keep on scrolling past it”.
By F* Patrol
June 7, 2008 11:02 PM | Link to this
Stevo??? Sounds like a b*** a* hoe name if you ask me…………yup
By Dousche Patrol 3000
June 7, 2008 11:07 PM | Link to this
I Have to agree with tha kid above. Sounds like a motha f*** hoe a* f*. If it smells like one then it must be……Yup
By F a g g o t Patrol
June 7, 2008 11:10 PM | Link to this
preciate tha support homie. I see em all the the time. They can’t fool me………yup.
By RealSquawk
June 7, 2008 11:13 PM | Link to this
Sautee
Salim Stoudamire use to be a horrible defender, but I will give Woody credit he forced him to work on his defense and he really has gotten there have been several times in games where he has straight stolen the ball from a defender
By Dousche Protection Agency
June 7, 2008 11:17 PM | Link to this
The Blogger Crimes Unit has recently notified my headquaters about some potential B*** activity on this blog.
Before we take action. We need witness statemnts. Can someone please Identify the perpatrators?????
By RealSquawk
June 7, 2008 11:17 PM | Link to this
oh and SalimFan I saw that same Marvin Williams video awhile back and was like woah that is some serious stuff and thought the samething
Woody has go to go somewhere else and hopefully Sund will see that because he said he is watching tape so hopefully he picks it up
By SalimFan
June 7, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this
Sautee, I agree. There’s always a negative to every players game, but then there is always a positive. I give woody credit for getting rid of salim’s arrogance and motivating him to become a better defender……but that’s about the ONLY thing i’ll give him ay credit for. EVER….
If given more PT it defenetly would have shown more. How can you expect a player to come in and beexpected to guard the top players in the leauge if he never has an oppourtunity to grow at it and get better at it? Practice (and the off-season) helps a lot, but he won’t get much better just sitting on the bench.
By SalimFan
June 7, 2008 11:38 PM | Link to this
Oh, I was agreeing with Realsuak not sautee sorry lol.
As far as Marvin is concerned, Yeah it just goes to show why a guy with a .300 win percentage dosn’t deserve to come back.
By Dousche Patrol 3000
June 7, 2008 11:46 PM | Link to this
Yeah, I can Identify him it’s that hater right there with the funny name 10:03PM yup das him. I knoe em whe I seez em.
You might wanna chek on that other guy too with tha 8:26pm post he seems kindda queer if you ask me. It’s worth a look….
By SalimFan
June 7, 2008 11:50 PM | Link to this
Realsquwak, typo on your name, Sorry I hate this damn keyboard. Laptops sheesh.
By Dousche Protection Agency
June 7, 2008 11:57 PM | Link to this
Exellent, We’ll get on the case right away. We’ll leave no stone unturned.
It’s our duty to keep the streets f* free. I we gain probable cause we will immedately revoke blogging rights of the perpratrator.
By Ken Strickland
June 7, 2008 11:59 PM | Link to this
MATT-I also referenced having weak hands. You mentioned how Marvin only wants to hang outside and hoist jumpers. Well, if that’s true, how do you explain him going to the FT line as much, if not more, than any other Hawk in the playoffs and during the playoff run? I previously mentioned their need to improve their ballhandling skills. They would cut down on a lot of inside turnovers if they used their ballhandling skills and moves to get CLOSE TO THE BASKET instead of ALL THE WAY TO THE BASKET.
When all is said and done, none of us are really that far apart when evaluating the Hawks. We all agree that Marvin and Smoove need to work on certain aspects of their gms. We also realize that Horford is a beast that is only going to get better. Most importantly, we all realize Woodson, and his style of coaching, player utilization and preferred style of play, is not a good fit for this team and its talent.
We’re just using different approaches and verbage to express ahared sentiments about our beloved Hawks and their dysfunctional HC.
By F a g g o t Patrol
June 8, 2008 12:05 AM | Link to this
Thanks, The BCU always comes through when you need them to. Keeps stupid bloggers from contaminating a pefectly good Blog and keeping it from turning it into a sespool.
What would we ever do without you guys.
By SalimFan
June 8, 2008 12:12 AM | Link to this
**They would cut down on a lot of inside turnovers if they used their ballhandling skills and moves to get CLOSE TO THE BASKET instead of ALL THE WAY TO THE BASKET.
Ken, Exactly which is why using the Jump Stop on a consistant baisis would really help marvin elvate his game.
By SalimFan
June 8, 2008 12:12 AM | Link to this
They would cut down on a lot of inside turnovers if they used their ballhandling skills and moves to get CLOSE TO THE BASKET instead of ALL THE WAY TO THE BASKET.
Ken, Exactly which is why using the Jump Stop on a consistant baisis would really help marvin elvate his game.
By SalimFan
June 8, 2008 12:13 AM | Link to this
They would cut down on a lot of inside turnovers if they used their ballhandling skills and moves to get CLOSE TO THE BASKET instead of ALL THE WAY TO THE BASKET.
Ken, Exactly which is why using the Jump Stop on a consistant baisis would really help marvin elevate his game.
By SalimFan
June 8, 2008 12:29 AM | Link to this
Lol @ Ray, You positive sarcasam knows no bounds lol.
By FSU
June 8, 2008 12:53 AM | Link to this
Most guys with large hands are great at catching. Jerry Rice made his mark cause his hands are huge. Marvin can’t catch a cold. And he as a jump shot when he’s not fading. But most of his shots he is fading to the side.
By stevo
June 8, 2008 2:34 AM | Link to this
salimfan
hey buddy,
ha ha, nerd, that is funny. what are you 9?
it is very funny to me that there is a small group of you who are on this thing like 20 out of the 24 hours in a day who like to mock others as nerds or basement dwellers or people who need to get a life.
i suggest you look up the word ‘irony’.
anyway, i harbor no illusions about my severe lack of game (that was many years ago for a crappy team), the point was to show the ridiculousness of your logic. you keep posting about how great salim would be if only he had a chance, and i will keep posting what a freakin fool you are. i am trying to add to the quality of this forum by keeping the topics on point and within the realm of reason. you are welcome.
fact is, salim was given a chance when he was drafted, and he doesn’t perform in games or practice (which most of you don’t realize actually counts towards determining a players abilities and playing time, and which you do not see or know what happens).
‘why don’t they develop him like stuckey?’ you silly people ask. well, if he played like stuckey, he would develop like him. when you get the opportunities you have to perform, and salim was a second round draft pick for a reason.
but, like you said, he could probably average 20 points a game. his team would end up winning ten on the year, be last in the league in defense, and he would shoot around 35%, but he could do it. as charles barkley used to say, everyone in the nba can score, that is the easy part.
silly man who makes silly statements about a player who will never be more than a ninth man on a bench.
but next year when he is averaging 7 points a game for golden state, you can complain about how he was so good in college so clearly he should be just as good in the nba if only given a chance.
fool.
cheers!
By 1+2
June 8, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
Detroit don’t want woodson (DDWW)! They are attempting to sucker us in keeping him just as they did Jon Koncak in the 80’s. Back then we had a young team that was torn apart because of a silly decision. Today, it would be silly to keep a coach that has issues with some players. Please Sund, do not repeat history.
By terrell barron
June 8, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this
It’s never o.k. for humans or animals to suffer STEVO. Come on man. And Imus, try running from Buckhead to the Blue Flame with a bad heel. It might be a little painful, but you can get all the booty you want when you get there. Btw, the only reason I felt sorry for him, is because he was not ready for that GRUELING race. But who gives a s**, he lives better than most humans, right?
By terrell barron
June 8, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
Why is Woody still in Atlanta? Things that make you go hmmmm!!!
By Casey
June 8, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
Listen up DPA and BCU!
Who’s your daddy?
BTW, you’re not invited to shuffle board with me and Gramps.
Your friend, not friend,
Casey the coolest blogger.
By Sautee
June 8, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this
6/8/08 10:35 a.m. EDT
In a press conference this morning, CIA director Michael Hayden again defended the administations’ view on torture.
“Torture is not slow pain”, Hayden stressed, “even if Hawks blogger MannyT thinks it is”.
“We will not allow basketball bloggers to define torture for us” Hayden added, “that’s for the Justice Department lawyers and the Vice President’s office to decide”.
There was no immediate comment from MannyT
By Casey
June 8, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this
What’s up, Bacon Man?
Are you taking Sautee to the New Kids concert?
In the articulate words of Terrell Barrone, “hmmmm!!!”
Holla!
By ray
June 8, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this
You can definitely tell when summer is here and school is out. The blog gets invaded and goes straight to hell.
I.Mus, you’re right. Casey is kinda funny sometimes.
Najeh, you ain’t foolin’ me. I know you’re Polysaxoafriwegian. I could spot that a mile away. Either that, or you were one of the extras on the Michael Jackson music video “Black or White”, LOL!
Stevo, actually that’s the beauty of being on the blog. You can be stupid, insulting, and a complete a*******hole…while not serving real life consequences. Ain’t it great? I for one prefer real life, but then there’s nothing I say here that I wouldn’t say in person….
By ray
June 8, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this
Sautee, you ain’t right.
Casey, your grandma’s callin’. She says it’s time to clip her thick yellow toe nails again. Hurry up or it will be the strap again….Or another night in Uncle Chester’s wood shed….had a rough time of it in there, didn’t ya?
By ray
June 8, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
Hey Casey, I didn’t know there was a New Kids concert….but youuuuuuuu did…
By Casey
June 8, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this
Nice try Mr. Bacon. Denial is the first step of the process.
They don’t put me in the wood shed any more. Last time, I slimed them, just like I did to you when I was in the “Cross bars Motel.”
Now, listen up my Grandma does not have yellow toe nails. They may be gnarly, disgusting, booger green like, but isn’t that what you look for in a woman? Actually, Sautee’s more your style. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Later, Bacon Man.
Your friend, not friend
Casey.
By Casey
June 8, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this
BTW, Mr. Bacon, what is your fascination with me and straps? That is not appropriate content for this blog. (Also, I’m not interested). Go ask your friend Sautee what he’s got cooking?
Holla!
By Ken Strickland
June 8, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this
1+2-Detroit did more than just inquire about Koncak back then. They signed him to a huge contract offer sheet and the Hawks matched it. Koncak had replaced KWillis, who was on IR and trying to force the Hawks into signing him to a new contract. Willis was being represented by his brother and had him missing rehab appointments and team meetings. Because they were unsure about KWillis and his status, they panicked and matched Detroits offer.
Koncak couldn’t measure up to the pressure of the huge contract and eventually folded under the pressure. Also, after replacing Willis at PF, both he and the Hawks had an outstanding end of the season run.
Overall, I understand you analogy, and can’t argue with your sentiments about Woodson.
By SalimFan
June 8, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this
Stevo
1) Your team in High School PROBABLY sucked b/c you were on it (Being a Ball Hog no doubt)
2) Let me lay some “salim logic” on you.
Rodney Stuckey’s Rookie season.
19 MPG, 7.6 PPG .814%FT%
Salim Stoudamire’s Rookie Season
20.3 MPG 9.7 PPG 90% FT%
More Stuckey .188% 3pt .401% FG
Stoudamire .38% 3pt .415% FG
Stuckey Edged Salim in rebounds 2.3 per to 1.9 per
Stuckey and Salim tied in the turnover department both Averaging 1.3 per game.
Stats don’t lie homie…Clearly if salim had devolped like stuckey he wouldn’t be as good not to mention a crappy 3pt shooter.
Now on to my next point. Joe Joohnson Averages 40.8 MPG this season with 21.7 PPG.
What happens when you double salim’s minutes as well as his stats(Rookie Season)???
40.6 MPG 19.4ppg Thats a little over the 18ppg I predicted and that puts Salim up there with names like Richard Hamilton and Ben Gordon….and that not too far from JJ (Scoring-wise).
No BS or Idiocy Stevo, just straight facts..
The Same goes for Acie Law who also averaged 18ppg in college. It will probably won’t Average that much sice he plays the role of facilitator but he’ll be close. (Not a pure scorer like salim)
It’s all about the minutes (for these two in particular b/c they have no trouble putting up the numbers).
3)As you can clearly see, stuckey IS Not Salim Soudamire might be more of a defensive presence but offensively….well the STATS don’t lie.
4) There is absolutely no need for me to look up such trivial words like Irony. Espically when I already comprehend it’s meaning.
But le me give you the definition of another word you like to use
Logic- The science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference; reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions.
As i’ve shown you, my logic is based on the FACTS, and the projecion of what salim’s stats WOULD look like if his minutes were doubled. Nothing more.
By SalimFan
June 8, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this
Stevo, Haven’t we gone over this before???
By SalimFan
June 2, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this
Stevo, that post was rhetorical. And look at his NBA stats and COMPREHEND that his minutes directly effect his production.
Based on the commonality of your post(I’ve read statements like that before) I can see that you really don’t give a damn about it enough to LOOK IT UP anyway so stop wasting my time and go bother someone else.
….Some people just don’t know when to leave well enough alone. Looks like i’m the fool B/C I LOOKED UP THE STATS FOR YOU. Like I said a week ago, you wouldn’t be talking if you actually took the time to look at the history of he NBA production over the years.
By SalimFan
June 8, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this
Stevo, Just in case you missed it and my logic really doesn’t hammer it home……Nasteh…
In Case you missed Nate Robinson and Brandon Roy Getting OWNED….here it is.
By SalimFan
June 8, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this
Stevo, In case you happend to miss this and the stats just don’t hammer it home…
In case anyone missed Nate Robinson and Brandon Roy getting OWNED, Here it is….
By Najeh Davenpoop
June 8, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this
Salim would be a lot more valuable if he was a bench player on a good team who could come in and focus entirely on scoring. Ideally it would be a good defensive team which could compensate for his not-so-consistent defense. A lot of players in the past, like Jannero Pargo on this year’s Hornets or Bobby Jackson on the Kings when they were good, have made a name for themselves in a similar role. On a team like the Hawks, where nobody’s role is really defined very well and there’s no go-to offensive player (which means ball movement and point guard play is even more important), it’s pretty much the worst situation for Salim to be in. I still think if he goes to a team like San Antonio and plays 15-20 minutes off the bench he will have a much more positive impact than he does here. Will he average 18 ppg like SalimFan is saying he will? I kinda doubt a coach on a good team would give him enough looks to where he can get that many, but he can be a valuable player in the right situation.
Damn, Ray, you got me… I was trying to keep the “Black or White” thing a secret!
By Is this blue?
June 8, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this
Is this blue?
By Najeh Davenpoop
June 8, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this
I’m guessing someone will read my previous post and call me out for saying Joe Johnson is not a go-to offensive player… I meant someone like Kobe who will put the team on his back 8 times out of 10 and get the victory. As good as Joe is he’s a level below that.
By RealSquawk
June 8, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this
I don’t think any of us have seen enough of Salim Stoudamire in this past season to consider him a good or bad defender
because really from what I have seen over the past year was a much improved defender who stayed in front of his man and stole balls from point guards in the open court
By [Is this blue?](http://www.ajc.com)
June 8, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this
cool
By Sautee
June 8, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this
Real Squawk
I guess we saw different games. I certainly didn’t see all 82, but when I watched Salim this year what I saw was yes, an improved defender, yes, some steals (although he’s always done that on defense), but staying in front… not so much. Improved yes, but actually staying in front… not so much.
That doesn’t mean that I don’t like him - I do.
But you have to think that if he’d improved staying in front in practice, that he’d GET more playing time, since Woody favors defense over everything else.
By stevo
June 8, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this
salimfan
it hurts, it really hurts.
in stressing and emphasising logic, you then proceed to throw it completely out the window by talking about doubling stats by doubling minutes.
i cannot even begin on that. time after time you show where your mind is, and i finally accept that it is pointless for me to fight it.
you win. i will leave all the talk (and there is more than is healthy, really) of how great salim would be if only given the proper PT by his coach, alone.
i guess it is harmless, but it definitely hurts my head when i read it. so i guess i will just have to try to avoid it, as you suggested earlier.
salim stoudamire is the greatest ever!!!!!!
By Sautee
June 8, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this
new blog up
By terrell barron
June 8, 2008 11:10 PM | Link to this
The Lakers are in trouble! They’ll have to win all 3 games at home and then win 1 out of 2 in Boston. And I cant see that happening.