Hawks

By tb

April 4, 2008 7:37 AM | Link to this

Hi S.S. Your quoting “yourself” to show us that you predicted that Bibby was a good player?

Bibby’s been good for a long time and anyone that knows a little about Bball knew what he would bring.

That said, I’m extremely happy to have him. He is the teams new tube of super-glue.

By doc

April 4, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this

the blogmeister has spoken with an in your face slam dunk. interesting developments the last four weeks as bibby got into shape and over his injury that he got shortly after arriving and the hawks have gone on their streak against the bottom dwellers. the guy is a no nonsense, i’ll take responsibility leader that is fun to watch win or lose.

since you mentioned ando i’ll shoot, even though ando gets it right a lot, his assessment of bibby based solely on stats missed the mark. for him to say we should have gotten the other guy left behind in sacramento now injured who is much cheaper because the stats are equivalent misses the intangibles that bibby brings. listen to bibby and watch him on the floor and you see the type of guy that does more than that by leading by example and with class. he has got my vote and if they continue to win against stiffer competition as they did against toronto i will change my thought on what they can do in the playoffs. you are right sekou it is because of one guy, mike bibby.

cool response from the hawks and al to say he got a hand on the ball to start the clock against the raptors to defuse the situation. if this were the nfl i think the info would be inconclusive to change the ruling on the field. unfortunately the guy making this decision is too far removed from the playing field and is more concerned about the madison avenue field to come down with a pure basketball decision, so if it goes that far we can expect almost anything.

By G-thang

April 4, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

Bibby has had a tremendous effect on the team. This is why Knight and Woodson have to go. They knew they needed a pt. guard and kept passing on one.

Now we have Bibby for one more year at 14mil. What will happen after next year? Will we trade him away next February for cap relief? and then start drafting forwards again?

By oldmike

April 4, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this

Great to see someone on the floor with the “wants” to take the big shot, make the big pass at crunch time. Think where this team would be if Bibby had been here all year. Still think they need more players off the bench to alleviate and reduce the minutes and wear and tear on the starters. Where is Salim? And what a great draft Horford has turned out to be. He is an absolute beast.

By doc

April 4, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

as an aside, the bibby deal reminds me of what the braves did in getting the tex to play first for a bit more than one season. it may work out better for the hawks in they will possibly get into the playoffs and some of those revenues. it didnt work for the braves last year and the jury is still out on whether he will help this year. the hawks seemed to have gambled and won for this year anyway. i guess billy is a better gm than the braves have, right ando? makes sense, huh buddy? seems logical to me. heh heh

skin crawling yet bro?

By SpanishHawk

April 4, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

Bibby was a tremendous trade. Who were Lue, S.Williams and L.Wright?

Let’s continue with the winnings this night.

By Traceman

April 4, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

I think the Hawks need to start looking at what it might take to extend Bibby but I wouldn’t get carried away and overpay for him either. I could see offering him an extension starting in the $8.5M-$9M a season range but certainly no more than the 5 yr/$60M deal ($10M a season to start) that DET extended Billups for. That represents a significant pay cut for Bibby but he would play the last year of that contract at age 35 and he would be 36 when it ended. He will make $15M next year so the extension would go into effect after that.

By Hawksville Resident

April 4, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

Amen Sekou Amen. Mike Bibby also represents more than his numbers to this team. He represents a vocal leader. One that we haven’t had in forever. Before bibby we were like a nice car with great parts and a broke down engine. Now we have the nice car with a great engine that makes all those great parts run to their maximum potenial. With him at the helm anything is possible. Can you imagine the atmosphere in this city if we actally beat Boston???

By blah

April 4, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

I’m amazed at how much better the Hawks look when Bibby is in the game than when he’s taking a rest on the bench. Hawks without Bibby look offensively like a bunch of guys (albeit very talented guys) playing pickup hoops. With Bibby in the game they look like a real team. I never could have imagined how big of an effect he’d have. Seeing it has been eye popping.

Since I’m on here, another random comment. I was watching Hawks-Knicks a couple weeks ago on MSG (I’m an ex-pat Hawks fan living in Jersey) and Kenny Smith made an interesting point. He said, when the Hawks offense is running well, the Hawks beat teams with their length and athleticism. But they don’t really do that on defense, with the exception of Josh Smith who blocks a million shots because his teammates get beaten more than they should. I thought that was an interesting point and one that looks fairly true (from the admittedly small sample size of games I’ve seen).

By G-thang

April 4, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

the bibby trade is an indictment on this hawks regime…walk with me on this…we passed on derron williams and paul, as a result overpaid for speedy, who hasn’t panned out, as a result of that, we traded a 2nd round pick for A.J., we had to trade our 5th pick from ‘06, Sheldon, which means we wasted that and get bibby at 14 mil. this whole thing could have been solved in ‘05 with paul or derron. but i like what we have in bibby, but i am concerned about next year, especially since we don’t have any draft picks.

By richbrave

April 4, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

drmaryb:

You got a style girl. Love that high energy. Keep up the good work.

By A Thinking Fan

April 4, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

REPOST from last Blog

By A Thinking Fan April 4, 2008 7:11 AM | Link to this

Let’s just play some Bb tonight and come away with a win. Nobody including ASG knows what tomorrow will bring… Go Hawks!

Horford rookie of the year 2008 - Yeah! We need another DD plus tonight… JJ & Bibbs keep playing like the “Vets” you are. JS, JC, MW bring the effort and the wins will follow…

You win with vets in the No Boys Allowed league; and you rebuild with youth. Combine the two at the right time with the right combo of the two and you’ll produce a winning formula.

TGIF!!!

By drmaryb

April 4, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Hey Sekou

Nice topic, Nice Post up here! The old blog had run out of gas, so the timing couldn’t be better! That old dead horse was being taken off life-support, just as you showed up!

Bibby, now that is a name that brings a big ole’ smile to my face! I have been coveting this PG for over many years now, Ever since Shareef went to Sac-Town! Well, sometimes dreams do come true.

I have admired this man since he was in Arizona & all the stuff with his Dad & All is a pretty interesting story within itself!

Like I said the day of the trade: Now this team will be organized!

I know Bibby is well documented for clipping his nails & cuticles on the bench and in general to the point of it being an Obsessive Compulsive Behavioral Disorder.

But, more importantly - What that tells me is that he has a TYPE-A personality!

That is exactly what this team needed a detail oriented, obsessive floor general, who can focus long enough to complete a single task. In other words Type-A people are generally very driven to be sucsessfull.
(Typical Over-Achievers)

How do I know this? Well I happen to be Type-A as well, I actually think most everyone on this blog is - Likewise! Why else would we blog so vehemently and with such passion and so relentlessly about this team?

It’s because we are all sick with this stuff! Sort of like Caron Butler of the Wizards and the chewing of drinking straws while on the bench! People like that - well, they just get the job done! It’s what we do. Whatever it takes! By any means necessary! Just Win Baby! -Al Davis-

Also, I think Bibby’s passion for the game has been revived and he seems to be having fun here! It feels good to be WANTED! Unless your’e a fugitive on Americas Most Wanted - then maybe not! But, the point is this:

Bibby likes his new team, anything would be an upgrade from Ronnie-Artest (can you say BIPOLAR)?

Seriously, he seems to like the team and his mates. His eyes light up when he talks about running with the young horses, he’s just reining them in and they respect him and they listen to him - even the HC admires what he brings! I believe for a reasonable offer, it would be no problem re-signing this guy, especially if the front office shapes up!

I believe, with the Bird-Rules we can basically do whatever we want & keep whomever we want to keep on this roster, anyone who is shipped out will be just that, turning the page & moving on! There is plenty enough money to go around - that doesn’t concern me as much as the decision - making process about WHO to keep?

By stevo

April 4, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

not to be too much of an a$$ doc, but real ‘type A overachievers’ are out in the real world actually achieving things and being productive, not wasting time griping about their favorite team on a blog site. in fact, a classification of most sports site message board posters would probablt be the exact opposite of what you described. think about it. i’m just saying….

By SpanishHawk

April 4, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

I think Bibby at the moment is quite happy here, at least this year. He knew that playing with the Kings it was impossible to arrive to the playoffs. And now with the Hawks he will play against the Celtics in the playoffs, and a lot of people are going to watch those games, and that is very good for a player with only one more year of contract.

By I.MUS WRITE

April 4, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

Bibby is who we thought he was: an assassin on the perimeter. This guy brings the intangibles i want to see. Shooting passing and overall leadership is something we’ve needed for a long time. T.Lue and Aj are who we thought they were -old /slow 2nd or 3rd string point guards.Has anyone noticed the Acie law makes great passes and gets into the lane at will-i think Bibby is a great mentor for him,I think he will be much improved next year.

By Astro Joe

April 4, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

I was one of the bloggers who wasn’t thrilled with the Bibby acquisition. I was obviously wrong on a grand scale.

Bibby’s savvy also shows why BK prefers veteran PGs. You can’t expect to get this type of team-changing performance from a young PG. In the NFL, some GMs/coaches prefer a vet QB over the promise of a youngster. They’d rather have a average vet like a Jon Kinta than roll the dice with the promise of someone like Jason Campbell. That philosophy may pay-off when you avoid drafting David Carr or Joey Harrington much too early. However, it could cost you when you dump Brett Favre because of impatience and lack of vision. Failure is not absolute when you avoid the young floor general nor is success guaranteed. It’s all a gamble.

When all is said and done, some way some how, Marvin Williams and Chris Paul will both break their post-season virginity at the same time (and may very well exit at the same time). And the perfectly rebuilt Portland team will be taking another shot at ping-pong ball magic. Funny how things work out.

1-2-3 PLAYOFFS!

By Barry

April 4, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

Hey Y’all:

Seiko, you are right. I was in agreement with you that Bibby was the man. Bibby has playing basketball in his blood. I am more than confident that as a child he watched his father, Henry Bibby, play ball as a Knick. As a child yo know those things get ingrained in your mind and character. He is, however much, much better than his father, but the foundation of being a basketball player and leader on the floor is natural to him. He has taken playing the point, to his own personal and creative style which fits perfectly with these Hawks. Some exciting things are going to happen with this team with Bibby at the helm. Already his style is catching on with the rest of the team in their passing and assist numbers. The sky is the limit with this group now. They are a threat for anybody right now!!!!!!!

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH!! This is a SECRET from a HAWK FAN! TELL EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ringold

By Volman

April 4, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

Sekou, what a great “I told you so” post! Ha!

I was excited about the Bibby trade from day one, and only knew it could make this Hawks team get to a new level.

I really believe that at the beginning of the season they were still unsure about themselves…but with Bibby, this team seems like their confidence is actually REAL. They actually believe they can do this.

Go get those Sixers tonight, Hawks!

By Dr. Tobias Funke

April 4, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

To quote The Wolf in Pulp Fiction (hey, it beats quoting myself), “Let’s not start sucking each other’s **s just yet, gentlemen. There’s still work to be done here.”

No doubt Bibby has established a presence at the point, but until he leads us to a victory in the playoffs (not just ONE victory — a series victory), the jury is still out on how much better this team actually is. Nice to see them play with some passion lately, though.

By drmaryb

April 4, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

Hey RichBrave

Are you up yet? Good to see my man is back on the job and bangin’ in the post.

Hey, man what is up with that Mike Hampton - Dude! That guy is unbelievable! What do you think? Is he mental, on drugs, or just plain lazy. Is it a lack of character, no pride in himself or what?

Tonight, my friend we need to handle Philly and get that W

Teams have to take notice now, that we got the GENERAL on our team & we’re coming to play now!

By Ken Strickland

April 4, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

I remember reading an article a couple of yrs back, and it might have been one by Sekou, that said Woodson was complaining about the need for a veteran PG. This was when the Hawks were the youngest team in the NBA. Maybe, just maybe, BK passed on drafting a PG because Woodson was against it. It would certainly explain BK’s constant attempts to acquire vet PG leadership, like TLue, AJohnson, SClaxton, Bibby. We’ve certainly seen how Woodson has reacted to having a rookie PG on the roster. He plays him reluctantly, and in limited mins. We’ve also seen how Woodson has leaned on his vet PG’s. He plays them relentlessly, even when they’re injured.

Now that he has Bibby, we can see why. With Bibby, Woodson doesn’t have to coach the OFF, or use in gm strategy. He just let’s Bibby run the entire show, and relieves him only if he’s injured or in foul trouble. JUST A THOUGHT.

By drmaryb

April 4, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

Hey Stevo

Not necessarily, If you plan better & earlier in life you will have more time to do blog and do silly, fun stuff, like-this. Why? Because , the money is in the bag. I make most of my money while I am sound asleep, how?

I out-source my billing and they process my claims every minute of every day, while I am asleep - Blue Cross & Blue Shield is cutting the checks and processing eletronic funds transfers into my accounts!

That my friend is about as TYPE-A as you can get! Hey, it works for me!

I schedule my patients only three days per week, I market the other three. Referrals, Lunches, Golfing and the Tennis Court is where you can find me while marketing!

Life is Good! All the really hard work went into planning, setting goals, focusing, being obsessive about everything I do that is worthwhile, staying the course and overcoming the adversities of being a poor college student for some 10 odd years. Oh, Yeah and God has blessed me tremendously. I’m Just Sayin’! Look on the brighter side of things.

Thank you for your comment!

By Sekou K. Smith

April 4, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

This wasn’t posted with the snarkiness that seems rampant in it (now that I look at it with comments underneath). I was simply trying to change the subject from that ridiculous Josh Smith debate we seem to keep having and also shed some retrospective light on the one move that basically saved the Hawks’ season. I could do a blog every day from now until Christmas where I’m pointing out how terribly wrong I was about something …

By drmaryb

April 4, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Hey People

Where is my STAR? Has anyone seen my ray-star? I need some daily news on here - I need to know how many billy goats are under that damned bridge? 1-2-maybe-3?

Close your eyes and can you get a visual?

Now, people check-this

What makes The Big-Cat so fundamentally sound in his game?

Is it me? Or have you fellas noticed, that this guy does everything with TWO HANDS!

I can remember way back when Dikembe was in our post & I lost count of how many times he was stripped of a REBOUND! It was so bad, that he started swinging them’ big A S S elbows and knocking people OUT!

(like LL-Cool J - “Mamma said knock you out!” lol)

Then he got a bad rep for elbowing people, hell his own team mates were not safe with him down there!

Here’s my point: Al Horford always finds his man and box-out, then he goes straight up with BOTH HANDS and snags most of the rebounds, then he always makes a TWO HANDED pass to the point or he can actually bring the ball up the court, he also reminds me of The-Worm a little when he makes the out-let pass to the opposite end of the court!

His Bball IQ is extremely high, but the biggest difference I see in his game is FUNDAMENTALS. Sort of like - well - THE BIG FUNDAMENTAL

Play hard - Not - Nasty! The TJ-FORD take down also shows his intensity on each play & people tried to say he was a dirty player?

Rebounding is a passion, a desire, sort of like J-Smoove’s passion for defending the paint with them’ BLOCKS! J-Smoove has the mentality of a #5, The power of a #4 and the body size of a #3! And he is a good kid with great parents! Oh Yeah! and he is coachable & humble too!

MJ said it himself - “I have taken and missed over 900 game winning shots - before I became a WINNER!

Meanwhile, back to J-Smoove:

(fyi: He asked his dad for permission to have a tatoo? He did it with his parents permission - now that’s special)

Who in their right minds wouldn’t want to play with these two guys? - Is just WRONGE! That’s just WRONGE - maaane!

By doc

April 4, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

snarkiness, now that is a new one to look up in the old dictionary. question is will i find it?

By Chad

April 4, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Quick question? What is the statute of limitations on protesting a game. Can we quit worrying about Toronto protesting yet?

By Willimus Prime

April 4, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Lord knows, I am glad hat Bibby is doing his thing. However, what does this mean for Mr. Law IV? Does this mean that Hawks management have little faith in his abilities? Or, does it mean that they see him more as relief pitcher rather than a starter? Or, does it mean that Mr. Law IV has talent, but he is developing? Just some thoughts from a person that does not get to see many Hawks games as I live in Murland…Seems like a waste of a 1st rounder if Acie is relegated to back-up status for good, no?

By A Thinking Fan

April 4, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

One intangible I’ve notice is that Bibbs get respect from the Refs. HB paved the way in that respect.

By Astro Joe

April 4, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

snarkiness?, Is that anything like swagger?

By drmaryb

April 4, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

Hey RichBrave

check out my 11:54 post re: Hampton on Obrien’s blog! sorry guys;

Go Hawks! Get Em’! Mama said knock them’ out!

By Astro Joe

April 4, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

Willimus Prime, according to interviews with BK right after the trade, the Hawks are still very high on Law and think this will help him with his development. I recall hearing BK say that Law will become a better player because he will have to guard Bibby in practice everyday. I see this as a way to bring him along in a similar way as what Dallas was doing with Devin Harris. He was the 4th pick in his draft class and didn’t start until his 3rd or 4th season in the league.

By Sekou K. Smith

April 4, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

Swagger’s that other thing Joe. HA! And you know folks can’t resist a cat with some real Swag.

Willimus raises an interesting point about Acie Law IV. Bibby simply allows him more time to develop properly and show if he is truly the future PG of the Hawks. Time will tell.

By MR.BASKETBALL

April 4, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

MAYBE WE SHOULD GET MORE GOOD WHITE PLAYERS.THE REALLY GOOD TEAMS HAVE WHITE PLAYERS.

By Chikara

April 4, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

I believe snarkiness is not as much swagger as it is being a bit of a smart aleck, I couldn’t find the term in wikipedia. I’m sure SS will provide the answer.

Anyway, I’ve also noticed how the Bibby effect has forced Mike Woodson to stop being less stubborn and defer to Bibby on offense. That will be very interesting especially come playoff time.

I’M JUST SO HAPPY I CAN SAY PLAYOFF TIME WITH THE HAWKS!!!! (markout moment coming in 3, 2, 1..) AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH…

ahem sorry about that…..

Also it does make one wonder how that will play out this season. Will ASG, happy that the playoff goal was reached, extend Woodson knowing that Bibby was the real reason why? Or will Bibby and JJ force management to look elsewhere? We’ve seen it happen so many times in the NBA where players get coaches fired, and I believe it would happen here if the East’s best backcourt (YES I SAID THE BEST BACKCOURT IN THE EAST) decide that he’s not the coach to take them into the promised land?

As for Acie Law he is going to have to show some serious durability and improvement for the team not to keep Bibby.

Imagine this scenario for next year. The Hawks still need one big body to at the very least eat up space and help Al Horford right? They keep everyone on the roster and get Kwame Brown on a hometown discount. Not to start mind you, but at the very least be a backup since Zaza will also be in the last year of his contract? That way Horford can play his natural PF and Josh can rest as well.

But who cares right now? That’s what the offseason is for? I’m ready for…….PLAYOFF TIME!!!!

By James Adams

April 4, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

I love Sekou as much as the next Hawk fan, but man, this felt like a Golden Girls clip episode.

Lets hope the Hawks dont mail it in like this this weekend.

Take care of business this weekend, and we can clinch Tuesday. Im giddy.

By drmaryb

April 4, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

Hey Chad

Stop-it! This is a new BLOG man - The Raptors Game is a RAP

Let it Go & Let God! Geez! We already beat that horse dead! Hawks Win!!!!!

By Astro Joe

April 4, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

Sekou, thanks for adding to my vocabulary. Another “s” work to file away. A few spots shead of “swagger” and and “strive”. SIMPLY SUBLIME!

By drmaryb

April 4, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

Hey Chikara

We can always count on you for some very thoughtful comments & I love you like a SISTER - but I have got to call you out on this one:

KWAME BROWN? Puh-Lease don’t bring that LAZY bum in here, that’s like mixing spoiled milk with a Single-Malted Scotch!

Don’t Do It - Baby! That’s called alcohol abuse!

No way! -

Kwame Brown is a waste of Human - Tissue!

NOPE! NOPE! NOPE! We need him about as bad as we need LARRY BROWN

TWO-QUITTERS? On the same team? Hell to the NO!

By doc

April 4, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

whew always working on vocab building. glad to know i wasnt the only one. gee i just keep growing in soo many ways by reading this blog. gonna have some swagger eventually if i keep this up.

atf, glad you brought it forward today. i was going to refer people to the verbose post you wrote today. got some expressive itchy fingers today. seems you must be working to be the poster of the year next year. envy is a cruel master, heh heh

By jami$$ion

April 4, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

SEKOU JUST GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY POST ON THAT DAY.NOT ONLY DID I SAY WE WERE GOING TO GET MIKE BIBBY,TIME YOU POSTED A TRADE WAS ON THE WAY.I ALSO SAID HE IS DEFINITELY WHAT WE NEED.I JUST KNOW THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE GAME AND IT’S DYNAMICS.OR YOU CAN CALL IT MY SPIDEY SENSE.

By jhan

April 4, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

Doc - you up for a game tonite? Give me a call

By vdunkndunk

April 4, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

I love the way the Hawks are playing right now. It’s almost amazing to think that this is the same team - they are now extremely potent on offense. The defense and bench, however, leave a lot to be desired.

Basically, I like what this team could do next season with more maturity and experience and an entire year playing with Bibby, but I’d like to see a better backup PG or a lot of improvement from Acie, plus a better coach, plus a backup bigman along the lines of a Pryzbella or Diop.

By mykhalc

April 4, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

i said it way back when…BIBBY is cold-blooded…PERIOD!!! (check the archives) LOL in fact, i said it yesterday…”BIBBY makes this team go…PERIOD!!! no if’s, and’s about it!!! NO DISCUSSION NEEDED…PERIOD!!!”

seriously tho, dude is the difference maker to how this team plays!! in fact, i think he’s the ONLY player/coach in the league right now!!!!!

By ugaman

April 4, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

Steve-o

What’s up man? Is your comment a self-indictment? I would totally disagree with you. Most of us are passionate sports fans and like the comradarie that comes with the blog. I myself have a wonderful wife who happens to share no interest in sports and two little girls who don’t care much about sports at this stage in their life. I have a lot of friends who like sports, but where I am there aren’t many basketball fans, so the blog gives me a place to talk and share about a sport that I love with fans of my favorite team. I work full time and attend college full time so I definately would describe myself as a loser who posts on a sports blog. What I am is a passionate fan who loves to talk about the Hawks. This is a break away from my real world and every minute I get is worth it.

Sekou, thanks for the blog and keep up the good work. Go Hawks!

By Ken Strickland

April 4, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

The next 2 nights will determine the extent in which these young Hawks have matured. By beating Philly twice in 2 days, the Hawks will seal the deal on their playoff run. They will also put themselves in a position to move up at least one spot in the playoff standings. The way they’re playing right now, Detroit could be in some trouble. We’re more athletic, and our OFF has gone through the roof. Billups will have his hands full with Bibby, and JSmith and Horford’s OFF improvement will keep Mcdyess and Wallace busy.

Unforturately, we won’t be able to match their bench, except during warmups. You see, we have this theoretical HC that thinks he can be successful theoretically, without using any strategy or a bench. If these young Hawks weren’t experiencing so much success during this playoff run, Woodson would be having anal surgery right now to remove my foot, which would be embedded knee deep.

I WANT YOU YOUNG HIGH FLYING HAWKS TO DO YOUR THING TONIGHT AND TOMORROW NIGHT AGAINST PHILLY. GOOOOOOOOOO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

By richbrave

April 4, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

doc:

Know what you mean by growing on this blog. Sittin’ is just makin’ my azz bigger and bigger. Time to hit the track. Later.

By Najeh Davenpoop

April 4, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Doc, the major difference between the Bibby trade and the Teixeira trade is that the Braves gave up three or four valuable prospects to get him, whereas the closest thing to a “valuable prospect” the Hawks gave up to get Bibby was, uh, Shelden Williams. But there are some similarities… looks like unlike Tex, Bibby is gonna lead this team to the playoffs though.

Willimus Prime, I posted this on the previous blog but I’ll say it again — I don’t think Bibby was acquired to stay here long term. His contract expires after next season, and I don’t think the Hawks will keep him beyond that. Billy Knight just realized that Acie Law is not gonna be the savior at PG this year, and went out and acquired a proven veteran to hold it down until Acie is ready — in large part so he wouldn’t be handing a lottery pick to Phoenix. I fully expect to see Acie starting for this team in two years, unless he establishes himself as a total bust by then.

By Chikara

April 4, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

ugaman I couldn’t have said it better myself. Most of us love the Hawks (not to sure about Ando, but maybe that’ll change if they make the playoffs lol) and this is the best time for everyone near and far to talk. It’s refreshing because of course there aren’t many Hawks fans here in the VA/DC area…

….drmary mary, even I wouldn’t call for Larry Brown. Ouch, ya hurt me on the Kwame comment, but if we could get Diop or just a warm 7’0 body to help out Al I’ll be happy. Heck he doesn’t even have to shoot, just stand in the post, block shots and rebound. love to my girl always!

…..speaking of S words, I would say that the Hawks’ current subsistence (quality of existence) is really good right now, and the playoff mentality they have shown these past two weeks are indicative of that. Tonight and tomorrow is a major challenge with a Philly team that is as hungry as we are.

The Andre Miller-Bibby matchup will be a great test for MB to go up against a PG who’s trying to get on his level, and once JJ eats up the “other AI” I wonder how many people on this blog will still wish BK had drafted him instead of Childress?

Chad if there’s anything I learned about the Hawks is that one can never rest until it’s truly over. Let’s hope that it is just to be sure.

By ntrigueda

April 4, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

Trade Josh Smith are you kidding! Some of you on this blog definitely don’t know basketball. Josh Smith is a freak of nature that is learning and developing every time he steps on the court. We all know that he sometimes takes ill advised 3 pointers and makes wild passes every now and then. But what he brings to the table on most nights definitely overrides any of areas of his game that need improvement. The kid has unbelievable hussle, he blocks shots and even when he is not blocking shots he is always in the opposing team players mind every time they put up a shot in the paint or are on a fast break. His defensive intensity can single handedly change how and when the hawk’s opposition attacks the basket. Offensively the cats up second to none and when he finally realizes that he is unstoppable when he puts the ball on the floor and goes to the cup. Even if he misses it is more than likely that he will get fouled. His jump shot is ok but it has improved each year and I expect the same improvement for years to come. Anybody that thinks we should trade Josh Smith in absolutely crazy and if the Hawk ever decide to part ways with him anytime soon expect to see empty seats at Philips Arena and bunch of angry fans boycotting these incompetent owners, general manager and coach of this franchise.

By doc

April 4, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

jhan i am now. i dont have your number here. ring me up please.

By richbrave

April 4, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

drmaryb:

I really wish you would just come out and take a stand on Mike Hampton. Tell us how you really feel.

By Clarkekent

April 4, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

SEKOU, DeSagana Diop, Kwame Brown, Jamaal Magloire are all F/A this summer.. will the hawks be able to get one of these guys… and move marvin to the bench with childress and acie law. Jamaal perferably. and why dont they play solmon jones?

By SAMMY THE HEAD MILLER

April 4, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

I AM SAMMY THE HEAD AND I FORSEE THAT THE HAWKS WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.

By doc

April 4, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

myk you bein saying alot of things on this blod, should we hold you accountable for them as well. ;-))

najeh agree in principal however it may, no i will say it stronger that it will affect what we do this off season which was to bring in some new blood and keep what we have. we will need some depth and stoppers along the way through free agency and we were all salivating at the options we were going to have with the expiring contracts. this doesnt mean i dont like the trade as it begins to establish balance and as myk says and i agreed heartily the guy has some real snark in him (yep i was the fist to use the new word in a sentence i will grouse if i dont get some award for that … kidding, for those that dont have a sense of humor). i would have thought a korver type would have allowed more flexibilty in the off season and gotten jj the relief he needed in a shooter than can pull defenses out and opened the door to the playoffs. look at what he did for utah.

yep, going to the game thanks to jhan got to find out who we are playing, living in the present man. leo save me a seat or two.

By SalimFan

April 4, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

HEY CHECK OUT AL’S INTERVIEW ON JIM ROME

Al is defently getting ROY. Especilally if we sweep the philly series this year.

By doc

April 4, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

subsistence, barely making it, right? yep that is our hawks. chikara you got me chuckling hun and i didnt need the dictionary for that one.

hey rich, you talking to me again, you cracker you? now dont go racing your heart now. seems that might be close to some good lyrics to a song. yeah, get some coqh-cf and get off the coach and get those legs moving, great for the heart and legs. sincerely, hope all is well in spite of how i might sound to some on the blog who cant hear the tone of my keyboard or the twinkle in my monitor.

hampton needs a severe amount of de-stressor and de-toning. he is as tight as the proverbial rubber band wound tight. that is what money does to you. wouldnt want to wish it on anyone but myself.

that is it folks … for now.

By Hawksfan

April 4, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

One minor thing I have noticed regarding Bibby, that really seriously needs to be addressed though, is that the guy apparently needs a new sneaker sponsor. At least once (but often twice) a game, he totally slips on offense and wipes out like he is on a wet spot, but it ain’t no wet spot. Seriously, it is good for at least one turnover a game. One of the many Hawks support guys at least needs to throw some type of stick-um on Bibby’s sneaks.

By kj

April 4, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

man i gotta get up earlier so I can get in on the early posts. I have really enjoyed my first year blogging with you guys and gals. I’m excited about the prospect of us maybe upsetting a top seed this year with our newfound offensive barrage. I still can’t believe we’re not getting any love on the national scene. Anyway, Sek, Do you think it would be probable or even slightly possible that we may pull up some big help for the playoffs from somewhere?

By mykhalc

April 4, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

DOC, i only go to the archives when i can prove myself to be right!!!LOL will be lookin’ for the recap from you and jhan!!! enjoy my friend!!!

By Chad

April 4, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

*drmaryb

Sorry I struck a nerve. It was a legit question from a novice blogger.

By tony

April 4, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

i love the way bibby have taken the lead of this team because jj had no clue. now that bk is listening to the fan base maybe he will listens to us about drafting a center.

By Atl Flavor

April 4, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Will it be the Henry Bibby effect tonight and tomorrow? Bibby is playing against his Dad’s team 2 nights in a row. We should split these 2 games with Philly. I remember that West Conf Finals run well. What I remember most is Webber and Bibby on J Leno after the series. C Web said he didnt care if the whole team was booted as long as Bibby came back. He knew how important Bibby was to ANY team.

By ATLien

April 4, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

Anybody else realize the Hawks have the 3rd best home record in the East?

By ATLien

April 4, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

Again: top-3 home record in the East

By doc

April 4, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

chad, dont worry dmb has got a lot more from where that came form. striking one will not affect her one bit. i dont know about the rest but i cant wait until it is her last nerve. kidding babe, it was there, i am a cheap guy looking for a cheap joke.

myk, look for me. i’ll be right behind the end of the scorer’s table on the visitor’s side two rows off the floor. i’ll even salute you with a “myk”elob during the first quarter.

By drmaryb

April 4, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

Hey Chad

I was just having fun with you man. It’s like in football when you make a suspect play to win the game? And you run off the field and go hide in the locker room before the opposing team throws out that red challenge flag.

Chad baby, we squeaked out that .5 second play and won it in OT. Leave that door closed I say - please don’t talk that into existence. You never know the Stern man might be listening. LOL!

By mykhalc

April 4, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

be lookin’ for ya doc!!!

By drmaryb

April 4, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

Hey Chikara

Sorry, I had to do it to you. I had to throw your boy Kwame Brown under that speeding BUS!

If you don’t believe me? Call MJ & he will tell you that - Kwame single-handedly ran MJ out of DC.

As a GM? MJ will always be responsible for drafting this kid #1. That pick will go down in history as the worst #1 pick since Ryan Leaf was taken by the Chargers. IMHO

MJ was actually so excited about KWAME, he actually played ball that year (his final year of play - I think) Anyway, MJ personally took this kid under his wing and tried to positively impact his game due to his age (18 years) & transition to the NBA.

After a couple of months, MJ was reported to have jumped on him in practice for guess what? You got it - Kwame didn’t like to practice, he would either come late, show no effort or not show up at all!

Something about Allen Iverson advised him that practice was for DUMMIES! LOL.

Bottom line is MJ has no respect for the lazy new-age Bball players who come to the NBA without one fundamental skill! & making all this guarunteed money.

Chikara, that is just WRONGE!

I also believe Kobe in LA ran him out of there for the same reason. He is truly LAZY! I’m Like you though, I would take Luc Longley or Bill Cartwright to just stand there and be in the way, that’s better than a million dollar baby!

Heck Dikembe is still bothering people & wagging that long a s s finger like Arsenio Hall saying “Let’s Get Busy!” and he’s like 55 years old -isn’t he? Oh my bad! That was Deke’s Jersey Number 55 - I thought that’s how old he was. LOL.

Chikara - Girl, we’re going to the PLAYOFFS! Nothing cam bring me down now!

By Kimmie Bibby

April 4, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

I love Mike Bibby the day he arrived in Sacramento and will follow him throughout his career. When he was traded I was bummed out but right now I am totally happy for him. Mike lives for these moments and I am so glad that he can be apart of taking a team to the playoffs. He is a playoff monster. It took him some time to get back into game shape after being out 36 games and right now he’s the Mike Bibby that I have been watching from day 1. Hawks got the best of this trade. I am a die heart Sacramento Kings fan but I am also a die heart Bibby fan. Atlanta has really impressed me as of late and alot of that was the Bibby effect. Hawks fan are so lucky to have Mike on their team. He’s a great basketball player with a high basketball IQ. I miss him here in Sacramento and I can’t wait for him to come back and play the Kings.

By atlman

April 4, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

DmaryB can you please stop writing novels with bolds everywhere, my brain just cant handle it, keep it short and sweet

By BosnianBaller

April 4, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

Finally the playoffs!!!!!!After 9 years of hell.

By drmaryb

April 4, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

Hey RichBrave

Don’t get me started on Hampton! I might blow a gasket! I think something is just WRONGE with his confidence now.

Psychologically, I think he is terrified to pitch again, what do you call it - SPOOKED? Yeah, I think that’s what is really going on.

Anyway, it’s a Fantastic Friday & just blowing off the whole day! Taking a breather before I go back to the salt-mines.

Hey, you make sure your butt is getting up & walking at least 2-3 mile per day - only if you CAN.

But, if you do have a big-butt? I can not lie - I like big butts!

Speaking of where in the world is Ray-Star did my “Gay-Dar” go off after his last post? LOL!

By Chikara

April 4, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

drmaryb AMEN sister! With the Hawks and Wizards in the playoffs this year my TV will go into overdrive!

ATLien that’s a good point about the Hawks’ home record that no one really talks about. No one can tell me that the crowd (and these passionate fans on the blog) doesn’t have anything to do with that! Let’s keep taking care of business at the “Highlight Factory”. It could be a huge advantage come playoff time!

(….still can’t believe i’m saying that….i’m too giddy right now)

I know I was away for a while, but has anyone seen Clyde? Najeh, ray, doc, I need a report on his t-shirt sales!

By McRly?

April 4, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Come on Tobias, let’s settle it down a bit. You’re basically demanding a series victory before you’re handing over any respect? Cracking down on the young’uns, are we? Let’s get things in perspective: Make the playoffs…Check. Beat the Celtics? That’s like, beat one of the 3 best teams in the NBA (San Antonio, Detroit, and the Celts in any order you wanna put em..yea, that’s right, no PHEONIX yet). That’s Garnett AND Pierce and (holy moley this dude can shoot) Ray Allen? I’m looking for a good fight, yes, and I believe whole-heartedly that they can win (i.e., stranger things have happened) but if they make the dance that’s good enough for me. Now excuse me fellers, it’s Miller Time. Go HAWKS, BRAVOS!

By drmaryb

April 4, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

Hey atlman

You already know what to do - Oh my Bad! You Don’t?

Get Your Scroll On! My posts are not directed at IDIOTS! The reading level required is beyond third grade>

Sorry! LMAO! HA HA HA!

By Dr. Tobias Funke

April 4, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

Well, McRly, it’s not that the Hawks aren’t my team — I’ve been in this city for 31 years and have been as loyal to the Hawks as anyone. I grew up worshipping the teams with Nique, Spud, Wittman, Carr, Levingston, et al. That said, I view this recent run much as I view UGA’s unbelievable run through the SEC tourney a couple of weeks ago. It’s fun, and it shows the potential these guys have, but it doesn’t erase the Keystone Cops routine that they put on the first 80% of the season (plus a decade prior to that). Winning 9 of 11 in the NBA is hard to do, no matter who you are, so there’s no doubt that this team has the potential to be very, very good with the right leadership. Unfortunately, the out-of-this-world potential (there’s that awful word again) that Josh Smith has still hasn’t been developed by Woodson, which is inexcusable. Dude has Lebron-like ability, but no idea how to actually play the game. Woodson also refuses to even make eye contact with the bench players, which means we’ll be seeing a dog-tired starting 5 by the time the first series starts.

Failures like those are what will cost us come playoff time, and in my opinion, there’s no reason for a team capable of playing as well as the Hawks have lately to be an 8 seed in the worst conference in NBA history. With the right leadership in place (on the floor, on the bench and in the front office), this would have been a 50+ win team easily.

So…yes, I realize how good Boston is and that very few (if any) teams could win 4 of 7 from them, but no, I don’t accept that it’s an accomplishment in and of itself just to get into the playoffs when we have a starting 5 (plus a 6th man) made up entirely of lottery picks, except Smith, who only slipped down to the teens because he was so raw.

By Don!

April 4, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

Whoo hoo, a Sekou sighting post-blog posting!

LOL, I’m not hating on you Sekou, but like DOB on the Braves’ side of the AJC house — some of your best work comes after the initial post, and we’ve been missing that lately.

Anyway, I’m still teed off at this Hawks team — but since they seem to play better when I’m angry, I’m staying angry. I think it’s like how sometimes your ex-girlfriend looks better when she’s your ex-girlfriend — because every time you hook up, you remember why she’s your ex-girlfriend.

Sigh, your 2008 Atlanta Hawks — the Sybil of the NBA.

… so with that having been said, and remember one of my posts from back in January — are we a KG injury away from being a legitimate contender in the East this year?

Daydream just a moment with me here; The Hawks get into the playoffs as the 8th seed. KG busts an ankle or something … Could the Hawks take the Celtics w/o KG? And if they did, would that burst of confidence get them past the winner of the 4/5 matchup?

That would put this Hawks team in the Eastern finals — and that’s as far as any Hawks team in Atlanta has ever been. Scary.

What’s even more scary would be if such a run happened and the owners decided to keep Woody for another year afterwards … but is that a dream scenario — or a nightmare?

Oh yeah, that’s our Hawks.

Later,

Don!

By shannon

April 4, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

if only we could have an true center, we would be one of the top ten teams in the league.

By MannyT

April 4, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

snarky 1

snarky 2

The Hawks used to play Woodyball—it was slow. It wasn’t pretty.

Now they play Bibbyball in the Highlight Factory. Slowly gaining swagger, a little edge, some aggression with a touch of snark!

Let’s show the Hawks some fan support tonight. Be there, be a factor, be heard!

As we get to the playoffs the Hawks need to evolve from the regular Wayne Brady to Wayne Brady on the Chapelle show!

WAF

By drmaryb

April 4, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

Hey Hakwsfan

I heard something about the nike shoes the team is wearing, It was several games back at home & the players (Bibby Included) kept slipping and falling, but the floor was not wet.

It was determined the all the nikes were defective and causing the players to slide and fall. What does that say for the safety of NIKE?

By drmaryb

April 4, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

Hey doc

Tell EM’! They don’t know me like you do. Everyone should know by now that I am a big-time trash talker who loves to get in peoples faces.

I get such a Rush! I feel like a spirited Pony that does not want to be tamed. I like a good, passionate verbal jousting, and I am always good for a round or two or three etc.

Pour me a glass of wine and it can get pretty interesting. That’s when I click over to the telling jokes mode. LOL

Hey, what does Henry Bibby do for Philly? Is he an assistant coach or is he in the front office? I don’t think he and Mike are very close, his father never really spent quality time with him from what I understand!

I hope Bibby plays well to impress his dad. I am sure he is nervous and excited about the next two games as well.

Hey Doc have fun at the game and be safe - the weather is a Monsoon tonight! So, be safe!

By hawksfanfordawin

April 4, 2008 7:41 PM | Link to this

Do you guys now think that we have a rivarly with the raptors?

By hawksfanfordawin

April 4, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this

WOAH mikes dad is on the 76’s staff

By hawksfanfordawin

April 4, 2008 7:48 PM | Link to this

Man bibby is starting out cold

By hawksfanfordawin

April 4, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this

man there double teaming joe every single time!!!INSANE

By hawksfanfordawin

April 4, 2008 8:01 PM | Link to this

Joe and bibby cold

By hawksfanfordawin

April 4, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

Damn Marvin good gracious the boys on fire!!!but sixers are solid

By hawksfanfordawin

April 4, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this

Man mike woodson dont know what to do the mans just standing there while mo cheekcks is calling out plays and acie just shot an airball

By Najeh Davenpoop

April 4, 2008 8:18 PM | Link to this

Well, maybe Mike Woodson will give his inspiration speeches at halftime and this team will wake up for the 2nd half.

Oh wait…

By jami$$ion

April 4, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this

Good posts virtually from everyone.I’m impressed.And the dowjones on hating has gone down remarkably.I’m proud to be a member of this gated community.Dr.Mary I see great observators view the truth the ideally.In other words you said what I’ve been preaching.Al is the NEW FUNDAMENTAL.BOOK IT.Chikara I see you’re intelligent as well.Since grandtheft bibby.I’ve been screaming best backcourt in the league.Name one better?Det ditto.GS maybe.Lets finish what we started.AND SWEEP DEEZ PHILLYHOEZ! GO HAWKS! GET$

By bosywan

April 4, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this

im sorry to have to say this. i dont get to watch too many hawks games, but ive been rooting for them for many many years, and i already gave up on them earlier this season. but when i heard that they are streaking and with that on the way for the playoffs i thought theyre playing some good ball. but what i just saw against the 76ers, its just awful!! they dont deserve to have a spot anywhere near the playoffs. theyre not playing good basketball. im sorry to to say this, because i follow this blog regularly and sometimes i think they are finally getting better. but thats just plain awful, and if there is no team better than these hawks they should give the celtics a wild card for the first round, still better than the hawks totally embarrassing themselves. (and there are more unsympathetic teams to give a lottery pick to than the suns..)

i apologize for this post, but its just the plain truth…

By jami$$ion

April 4, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this

Hawks fan we gone walk deez hoez down. that lead is fools gold.philly plays off energy with nice players.were playing off superior athleticism and emotion.watch we catch’em and pull off.

By jami$$ion

April 4, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

Didn’t we kill yall hatas with Clyde?Every team makes runs.Basketball is like a trap.The money comes in spurts.What makes good games when both teams are volleying back and forth.Just shutup & ride.If not get out our car.You ain’t put no gas(time/energy) in noway!

By Clyde

April 4, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this

It’s the end of the semester and Clyde is busy writing term papers. Not much time to post. I hope my boy Solomon gets some minutes tonight.

And Ray just like I said before Clyde Jr really likes that cartoon I use to watch back in the day called Richie Rich. Classic cartoon don’t you think?

AIN’T NOTHING CHANGED….

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By Najeh Davenpoop

April 4, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this

Watching this game makes me wonder how the hell, in a league where point guards are so valuable, a guy like Andre Miller has been traded by three different teams. Sure, he can’t shoot threes, but the dude is pretty damn good.

By new jersey faithful

April 4, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

No offense Sekou, but thats a no brainer!! And its not really aimed at you, its for the person who asked you, cause they must have no idea what is going on in Hawksville! The Hawks really need this game 2nite, cause tomorrow night in Philly will be reeeeeeal tough to win.

By new jersey faithful

April 4, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this

DAMN!!!!! ZAZA killed us with that technical, huge momentum swing!!! DAMN!!!!!!!

By Tiger Woo

April 4, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this

No Bibby effect tonight … 1 for 11 - yuck.

Thoroughly outplayed by Andre Miller. Acie Law is a non-factor as a backup point guard.

We really miss T-Lue’s scoring off the bench.

By Najeh Davenpoop

April 4, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this

Like the old saying goes, the Sixers just look like they wanted it more. The difference in the game was free throw shooting — the Sixers got to the line a lot more and converted a lot more than the Hawks did, mainly because they took it to the hoop on offense and closed out on defense, while the Hawks jacked up jump shots on offense while not rotating fast enough on defense.

By jami$$ion

April 4, 2008 10:27 PM | Link to this

JOE BLING.This what i was talking about yesterday.Now get on yo boy.1:45 on the clock down three misses the freethrows then get’s stripped.Is it his fault we lost?Of course not.But if we make those plays.The momentum swings and we probably do.Now if it was my boy.Smoove would a been called everything but the child of GOD.Let’s regroup and get these broads tomorrow.Can’t wait to we can woody.Clyde where my shirt?

By Matt

April 4, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

Very tough loss. JJ was a monster in the second half, but Bibby just could never get it going. It says something that despite Bibby’s awful shooting, he still posted a +4 in a game that the Hawks lost by 5. That’s Sekou’s Bibby effect - when he’s on the floor, the Hawks find a way to get it done.

Woodson actually had sensible substitution patterns tonight (no one played 40 minutes), although I still question the wisdom of playing Chill over Marvin when it’s close and late.

The perennial whippin’ boys around here (Zaza and Marvin) also played pretty well tonight. Nobody really had a bad game, with the possible exception of Bibby. We just didn’t have that je ne sais quoi that it takes to win; they had it against Toronto, but not Philly. I just hope they find it again tomorrow night.

By richbrave

April 4, 2008 10:33 PM | Link to this

drmaryb:

Did you catch my post on Euro-funk?

By jami$$ion

April 4, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

AND TORONTO LOST ! DAMN ! P-A-NS!!! WILL GET’EM TOMORROW. GO HAWKS !!!!

By SalimFan

April 4, 2008 10:45 PM | Link to this

DAVID STERN!!!!!

Dick Bvetta covering a HAWKS game? COME ON THATS A LTTLE MUCH. We all know bavetta always covers a nationaly telivised game.

And he made crappy calls all night!

seriousy guys we relly could’ve used someone like salim tonight. Especally with louis in the game.I mean ilike the guy but defensively he’s stll got a long way go.

By jami$$ion

April 4, 2008 11:01 PM | Link to this

Najeh i couldn’t have said it better myself. We’re a take it to the rack team. Why are we taking so many jays? Especially in the last quarter when their in the penalty. You see how ai got all those garbage points by drawing contact. If it’s one thing i wish jj a do is go to the hole draw the contact. One thing about duck he does this exceptionally well in the fourth. This should be Smoove’s area.Cause noone can stop him once he gets moving around the basket.And put Rio on the hot man! WTH my new HC at BK?

By doc

April 4, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this

myk first of all hope all got home safely tonight, bad driving conditions with the rain and all.

secondly we got out-SNARKED tonight. they wer eefinitely testier than we were. i really liked the way philly played and they have some real young guys. to think young has come as far as he has, lois plays a pretty good game but i just like the way they contest everything from the inbounds pass to the return drive to the basket. the are a very young and talented team working together and miller is the real deal. good game but it seemed like even when we were tied late we were really never in it.

finally, myk dude i was waving from the 2 minute mark into the third quarter. it was an orange/brown coat without the snowflakes.

By Harry Hawk

April 4, 2008 11:12 PM | Link to this

The Hawks never got over the hump in that game because they couldn’t guard Iguodala without fouling him. In the end, the Sixers wanted the game more because a win meant that they would clinch a playoff berth. That’s the bottom line. The Hawks just didn’t meet their intensity.

By Sekou K. Smith

April 4, 2008 11:30 PM | Link to this

As ridiculous as it seems right now, the Bibby Effect is even more pronounced in defeat. If he does anything, the Hawks have another rout on their hands. But he struggles shooting and they lost by five to an impressive Philly team that looks nothing like the outfit I saw twice earlier this season. Kudos to Mo Cheeks for using his talent properly and cultivating a bench out of a relatively unproven group of youngster. Iguodala and Miller were sick. And the role players filled in tremendously. I hope both teams play at as high (or higher) a level Saturday night in Iladelphia!

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 12:04 AM | Link to this

Sekou,

That’s true but that goes for any PG. That spot is usually the focal point on any tean (except for LA). Which is why bibby diappoints me (when his shot is not on). B/C guys like chris paul and deron williams are slashers. they can score in the paint (A LOT) if their shots are not falling. They find other ways to be effective.

Well even though he did’t score that much, it was better than having acie in the game (no pun intended).

We need to acquire another key peice in the off-season to nullify the bibby effect. Some SERIOUS instant offense. I wish we could afford BEN GORDON’S price tag.

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 12:06 AM | Link to this

I really think getting a guy like Shannon Brown would really help us in the off-sesaon. He’s like a poor man’s Ben Gordon.

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 12:32 AM | Link to this

T-Lue is playing great in Dallas tonight. I bet if Bibby’s off Lue would be on. We really could’ve used him in a game like tonights…..I can’t believe I just said that. It’s true though.

By HB Ando

April 5, 2008 12:39 AM | Link to this

Seems like words that begin in “S” are all the rage. I know two such words that can’t be used to describe tonight’s thumping by the Sixers. Because it was neither a “shocker” nor even so much as “surprising”.

I told Jhan, this afternoon, that this was the same kind of moment the Hawks have had, every time they go on a little run. They get all you folks convinced that they are about to take over the world, then they quickly remind just how far they have to go.

Let’s keep this in perspective. It was only a few months ago that word out of Philly was that the team had already accepted they were back to rebuilding mode. They’d given up Iverson, just last year, and then they fired their GM (which is exactly what our team should do). Yet, as jacked as some folks here are getting about the Hawks, the Sixers are 4 games ahead of us, and started guys named Thaddeus Young and Willie Green, tonight. They played a Georgia high school LEGEND, who Billy passed on to take Salim (who, once again, couldn’t make it onto the floor), in Louis Williams, 29 minutes.

Folks, getting the 8th seed, and making the playoffs, is way cool. It makes me shake my head when people confuse legitimate questions about the management and future of this team with absurd, urban construct of “hatin’”.

Equally nonsensical is the ongoing posting of the idea that ownership is going to re-sign all these players (“Bird rights”), and get to, or even SURPASS the cap. This is one of the most underfunded franchises in the league, a fact which consistently reinforced by their perpetual occupation of the bottom-five lowest payrolls in the league.

Will someone please give me a coherent explanation on why this truth is suddenly going to be replaced by unlimited ownership spending, in the form of maxing out Smith, re-signing Bibby for the kind of money he’s currently making, signing Childress to starter’s money when he continues to be the teams’ sixth man, etc.

Why is this reality so hard to grasp? There is not enough money to keep everyone, and this teams’ climb, up the mountain, to the definition of mediocrity, a 6-game under .500 record, and the 8th seed in the weakest Eastern Conference in the history of the NBA, will be celebrated by significant changes to the roster, in the coming 18 months.

In fact, I think it’s quite possible that the Hawks’ participation, in the NBA playoffs, will be the impetus for a change in the league’s playoff structure. Guys like Reggie Miller have been calling for the playoffs to be determined by the 16 best records in the league, not the 8 best in each conference. And he’s right. Because there’s going to be a team in the Western Conference, that wins about 50 games, has an ownership that spends up to the cap, or above, and is committed to winning (as evidenced by a 50-win season), with a solid front office and stable infrastructure. And they’re going to raise holy hell, to the other owners, and to David Stern, and the league offices, that it’s BS for a team, from the East, who doesn’t commit the financial resources, and wins about a dozen less games than they did, to reap the benefits of participating in the playoffs.

Hawk, just to build on your post, from 11:12, the Hawks didn’t defend Igoudala any better than Billy can ever defend drafting Childress instead of Iggy, several years back (not to mention Deng). How apropos.

By mykhalc

April 5, 2008 12:42 AM | Link to this

DOC, i was lookin’ for you bro. nada!!! i think they were holdin’ off on your air time!!!LOL

and totally got the same vibe you did doc about the game. they just did not seem to have that ‘it’ tonite. score was tied toward the end but they were still missin’ ‘it’!!!

i think family hour ‘mighta’ affected BIBBY tonite!!???!! hopefully they can pull out a ‘W’ tommorrow in PHILLY!!

doc, next time go get the airtime right behind SMITTY!!!!

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 1:02 AM | Link to this

Ando, passing on williams in the draft to get salim was not wrong or unjestfiable. Salim was and still is a better player than Louis Williams.

Childress had 20 points tonight off the bench so I don’t see your point about Iguodala. Chills got to the basket whenever he wanted to. He’s the most consistant guy on the team.

Also, if we get one game against Boston i’ll be happy. Were one coach and bench upgrade away. I guarentee we get all of the core back and bolster the bench in the off-season.

By Tiger Woo

April 5, 2008 1:20 AM | Link to this

Louis Williams - points in last 5 games: 23, 15, 17, 13, 9.

Salim Stoudamire - points in last 5 games: 0, 0, 0, 0, 0

Is Salim better than Louis Williams? Yes - he’s better at riding the bench.

By Tiger Woo

April 5, 2008 1:25 AM | Link to this

Don’t be surprised if the Indiana Pacers beat out the Hawks for the 8th spot. They will more than likely have a 2 game lead going into Indiana Tuesday night. After the Indiana game, the Hawks have 2 tough home games left vs. Orlando and Boston and 2 “easy” road games vs. NY and Miami. The playoff spot is still very much up for grabs.

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 2:17 AM | Link to this

Tiger Woo, Just B/C Williams is currently contributing for his team doesn’t make him a better player smart one.

And the pacers taking over the 8th spot? are you o.k? Did you have your nap? The Hawks magic number is four. were gonna win tomorrow, we’ll beat NY,IND,and MIA those are the gimmies.Not to mention we play Orlando and Boston at home.

By HB Ando (does not rhyme with bitter)

April 5, 2008 2:56 AM | Link to this

Woo, thank you for saving me the time of objectifying the ridiculousness of Salimfan’s post. I mean, I understand that when you’ve chosen “Salimfan” as your blog handle, your pretty clear on where you stand.

But taking Salim over Williams wasn’t even half as stupid as taking the one-dimensional (as in, I can’t do ANYTHING but shoot the ball) Salim over a guy named Monta Ellis.

Just think of the lack of acrimony, and pointless discussion, that would have defined this blog, over the last 2 and a half years, if Billy had simply drafted Paul (not Marvin), Igoudala (not Childress), Ellis (not Salim), and Roy/Gay (in a “how can you lose, either way, pick-em, over Shelden).

Honestly, what would we have had left to argue about, as we battled for home-court advantage, as one of the top-seeds in the East?

In a bizarre and paradoxical way, Sekou Smith owes Billy Knight a debt of gratitude, as the truth is that if Billy would have simply taken the obvious, and largely consensus, talents, with most of his last four years’ worth of draft picks, there would be little here to argue about.

His two best choices, Josh Smith and Al Horford, were both products of dumb luck. Josh was predicted to go as high as sixth, overall, in his draft, so how much credit can you give Billy for taking him, when a local star, in a town starving for ticket sales, falls into his lap? And the only reason we have Horford, instead of giving up what was only a top-3 protected pick, was that Billy failed so miserably, in his previous decisions, that we defied even HIS worst expectations, and actually kept the pick (with a little help from the lotto Gods, who bumped our pathetic, 4th worst record, to the 3rd pick slot).

Billy Knight has created a completely new definition, raising the bar to a level that will be completely unlikely to be matched, for “dumb luck”.

For every single person, here, who believes the Hawks should fire Woody, during the off-season, I hope your REALLY understand that the pedigree of his replacement will be severely limited as long as Billy remains GM.

What savior of a head coach would come work for the guy who passed on Chris Paul, Brandon Roy, Andre Igoudala, Luol Deng, Rudy Gay and Monta Ellis? What savior of a head coach would come work for a franchise that consistently ranks in the bottom-five of team salary?

I’ve been saying it since ‘05: beware of Fool’s Gold. Beware of short-term motivations that undermine a genuine opportunity to build for long-term legitimacy.

Yet tonight we sit, both 4 games behind and a home loss as evidence, to a franchise that started it’s “rebuilding” after ours. That found its GM wanting (for good reason, though he shares with our GM not only name, but similar incompetence), and acted decisively.

I am HB KillJoy. I not only dismiss this team’s fortune as glass-half-full, I see it as nearly dry, as long as Billy Knight is allowed to captain the franchise. I do not understand, nor can I comprehend the ASG’s ongoing support of his arrogant ineptitude. I find disposing of the fifth overall pick, in addition to 3 other has-beens, to acquire Bibby, not a stroke of genius, but, rather, an explicit admission of just how horrible the pick of Shelden was, given that the player taken after him was the ROY, and one of 12 players on the virtually impossible to make Western Conference all-star team.

Does anyone here think Billy, or any other GM in the league, would have traded Brandon Roy, and whatever accumulation of expiring contracts that would have been required, by league guidelines, for Mike Bibby?

Sekou’s title, for this blog: The Bibby Effect, is soaked in irony, as the true “Bibby Effect” was a short-term spin job, appeasing the clueless masses of potential Atlanta Hawks’ ticket buyers. He’s a high-priced rent-a-player, brought here in the hopes that the public will have ridiculously short memories, and stimulate false hope, that there is no turning back, to the days of darkness.

Enjoy this fleeting moment, a sleight of hand, for the next four weeks. Then watch the return to normalcy, 2 steps back for every one taken forward, as we return to our perpetual metaphor as the “hamster and the wheel”.

(As always, should Billy Knight be displaced, my generally positive outlook, a sunny disposition if you are so inclined, will be replaced by the searing supernova of possibility and hope).

But, regardless of what seems to be a certain 8th seed, this does not portend to be something special. It’s simply the rough equivalent of having the neighborhood bully decide that, after years of smacking you around 3 or 4 times a week, he gets bored, and reduces your whoopin’s to a time or two.

I’ve said it many times, and I’ll say it again: optimistic fans of the Atlanta Hawks are, by their very behavior and definition, products of cognitive dissonance.

Well, at least I can look forward to watching 4 extra games, against the Celtics, which won’t quite make up for not having a single draft pick this summer, nor any money to sign a significant free agent. Or fix the fact that nobody in their right mind would pony up $150 million to finance the buy out of Belkin.

But, HEY, we made the playoffs!!!!!

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 3:43 AM | Link to this

Those players are products of their enviornments. If roy and ellis were in the ATL behiend joe (who never comes out of a game) their growth would be stunted just like the rest of our bench.

Ellis is a gun slinger just like salim. Woody would go crazy and he would be in the same boat as salim. If you remeber salim was drafted in hopes of being out starting PG. It didn’t work out so now he gets no minuets as a backup SG.

Rudy Gay and Monta don’t play defense bub.

So baisacally youre saying you wanna bog down the SF position AGAIN just with different picks and still not draft a legit BIG MAN? You’d make a better GM than BK, Riiight.

Now without sheldon we don’t get Mike Bibby so I really don’t care about CP3 right now. Besides this is like his first full healthy year. Which is probably why the team is doing so well. Peja’s healthy for once too. Also paul had to develop into the player he is today. and if ACIE LAW is any indication, I don’t think he would’ve grown that much under woody anyway. Woody is just like LB, the try to control their PG’s too much. Chauncey was already an established player and didn’t lissten to LB all the time (kinda like mike bibby with woodsen). If he had he’d be a vegtable and they woudn’t have won it all in 04’.

Salim wouldn’t listen either but sice he has no ststus woody just benched him. Acie listens and now I can’t even recognize him from his playing days at Tex A&M. BK did the right thing by bringing in a VETERAN HIGH QUALITY STARTITING POINT that he has no choice but to play and listen to OR ELSE.

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 4:00 AM | Link to this

Also ando,

Cognitive Dissonace? Reaaally. everyone is a victim of cognitive dissonace throuought their daily lives. Thats a little overboard and outrageous for frakin’ SPORTS FANS don’t you think. In that case almost everyone in the world are basket cases INCLUDING YOU.

Everyone is going to get mad or feel diappointed when they’re team loses. If people shifted mentally from that and just stopped liking sports the whole economy………i’m just going to stop right there before you get my into a retardted psychology debate that you can’t win.

If people wern’t diappointed when they didn’t succeed and just had the mentality that failure is O.K we’d all be vegtables. Including you.

Stop trying to be brainiac and just talk sports. Cause that comment of yours was waay of center.

In that case then don’t complain about the hawks losses or their bad draft picks anymore. You’re a walking contradiction my friend.

By kwooden1

April 5, 2008 6:15 AM | Link to this

Hate to lose but love the Playoff atmosphere!! Games that mean something. We all saw that Philly came ready to play and ready to make the Playoffs, it took the Hawks half a quarter to get ready. If Bibby shoots 40%, the Hawks probably win by +5, but that doesn’t matter in the Playoff it’s all about finding away to win. I still believe they have to split these four games (Toronto, Philly(2) and Indiana) to really have a great shot at the Playoffs and beating Toronto was the first step. Every game is important from here on out, until the reach the magic number. Tonight is a HUGH game for them because Philly is going to have a let down, especially in the first quarter. Lets take advantage and enjoy the Playoff atmosphere!

Come on Acie, we need you!!

GO HAWKS!!!

By koncaker

April 5, 2008 7:25 AM | Link to this

I’m gonna give some credit here to Chill and Marvin. 2 players I have always liked, but been critical of us passing on Iguodala and MVPaul. Chill and Marvin combined for 39 points on 14/20! shooting against Iguodala, who is probably second or third team all defense this yr. Chill hit 2/3 3 pointers! They also limited Iguaodala’s scoring early, tho he finished with a pretty big night, 30 and 11 assists.

Good game guys!

By richbrave

April 5, 2008 8:02 AM | Link to this

The engine that makes the little train go - Iguodala. Without him 76’s toast. With him they rise.

By doc

April 5, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

durn gotta survive another saturday after a beat down from ando, and it is raining to boot.

myk, sorry you missed it, need to exchange numbers by e-mail the next time so i can help you out; or maybe it was because i couldnt find the mykelob to wave and it was only a bud.

ando, it wasnt because of who they drafted but how they got them t play is the way i see it and though igoudala is really tough or at last was last night their main guy is miller having the same effect on his team that bibby can have on ours. also fun to see mo roaming the sidelines like a crazed trapped tiger. his team plays like he looks, lean, wiry and reactive, controlled but frenetic. fun also to see him get some joy out of the win as he high fived his guys after the game nearly skipping to the locker room. different affect than the one we see in our head coach. woody was very animated as he chewed on the refs disputing almost every call.

philly could be this years golden state and get a first round upset, just dont think it can be the hawks in a straight up win against one of the big boys, just not competitive enough nor tough enough yet. yeah, if there is a major injury but that might only lead to more of the illusion of excellence some people think there is tied to getting into the playoffs. yeah, something along the lines of cognitive dissonance.

By Tiger Woo

April 5, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

SalimFan,

You say Salim is better than Louis Williams? Then, why can’t he break into Woody’s rotation? Does Woody dislike him? If he was so talented, don’t you think Woody would find some playing time for him?

Now you’re comparing Salim to Monta Ellis? You can’t be serious. I’m glad you are supporting your boy Salim - maybe he’ll get a chance with another team.

Regarding the playoff chase, the Indiana game is hardly a gimmie. Remember, the Hawks have struggled on the road. Let’s see if they can go up to Philly tonight and get a win. If not, this thing is really going to tighten up - mark my words.

By Derrick

April 5, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

The “Bibby effect” as you call it is undeniable! The stats don’t lie. Look at the number of assists the Hawks averaged per game before the Bibby trade, and after the trade. The difference is way more than the total than Bibby himself delivers. He has impacted the entire team, and consequently, the offense is scoring at a Phoenix Suns-like clip. He and JJ are the best 1-2 guard combo in the East—and that includes Rip and Mr. Big Shot up in Detroit! Now if we could only get Acie to do a decent job at backing up Bibby—-does anyone know where T-Lue is these days???

By fudd21

April 5, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Ando I always love your posts as they are always right on. Even though they may be a tad bit long. LOL. It always amazes me when people say Chillz is comparable to Iggy. There is no comparison.

Chillz is a ROLE player. Thats it. He is good at it but thats it. He will never get more plays run for him because he doesn’t possess the offensive abilities. He is not a go to man. He gets garbage baskets, points on fast breaks, and yes he will hit the open shot, but after someone else has commanded a double team.

Iggy on the other hand is a scoring option. He’s just as athletic, probably more so than Chillz, can shoot better than Chillz, stronger than Chillz, and a better defender that Chillz.

With Iggy, Roy, Paul any of those people, JJ wouldn’t have to play so much because the offense could run thru those guys. They have that type of offensive ability. Not just put backs and layups.

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

Tiger Woo,

We can’t really effectifly argue a case over salim b/c he get’s no playing time (no one knows). So i’ll jut leave that alone.

Also with the steaks so high, I just can’t realistically see the Hawks loosing to indiana.

By Raps Fan in TO

April 5, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

Aw, crap… a double loss… guess we didn’t do each other any favors last night, but at least you guys have the 8th spot pretty much secured

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

fudd21,

you must’ve missed my post when I said that those players were products of their envionments and they are only contributing like that b/c that is what their team needs from them.

If they had been drafted here they would be in the same boat as most of our bench, shackled to the pine with no freedom.

Iggy is a prime example. the only reason he steped up is because with Iverson LEAVING iguodala became the FOCAL POINT of the offense and he HAD to step up and produce.

Last year Rudy Gay made horrible decisions with the basktball and was just labled as an “athlete” a “freak of Nature”. Hmmm that sounds familiar. I think Josh smith and Iguodala were also called that too. The grizz had no one else to deferr to and they encouraged rudy to keep chuckin’ those shots. He gained confidense so as a result he is what you see today. Just like Durant in seattle.

Thats never gonna happen in Atlanta buddy. Those playes would be dissapointing in the ATL. Especially Roy since woody would probably try to play him at point.

By MJ3

April 5, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

Ando,

The “obvious, and largely consensus talents”???? Stop trying to rewrite history. I bet you couldn’t find 2 sports analysts who said the Hawks should take Paul or Deron over Marvin. That point has been made on this blog a billion times. And I love how dismiss Knight’s two obviously great draft picks as luck, but place 100% of the blame on him for the ones that didn’t break his way. It pains all of us to see Roy and Paul thriving like they are, but surely you realize that if you use hindsight, most NBA draft choices could have been done better. Twelve guys were picked ahead of Malone, including 5 power forwards. Arenas was a second round pick. Ben Wallace wasn’t even drafted. So I guess every single GM in the league is stupid, huh? You try so hard to sound smart, but all you’re doing is using hindsight and sounding arrogant.

So stop being such an arrogant little prick.

By tb

April 5, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

Ando’s not arrogant!

lollollollollollollollolollolllollolollo :)

I’ll take the team BK built and be happy doing it. Some people just don’t want to see the good.

Go Hawks.

By Steve T

April 5, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

This game really stress the fact that the Hawks meed a thrid 3 point shooter. Billy need to find a guy that is about 6-5 to 6-8 that that play the PG and SG spot that can hit the outside shot. This game when everyone was double team JJ and Bibby, he could have brought in the third guy. He could have move JJ to the 3. He would have stretch the court.

By koncaker

April 5, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Philly is a good team, about the hottest in the league, beat Boston in their own gym. We played them close.

We lost because they were intense the whole game defensively and Bibby AND Smoove played sub par, can’t have em both on an off night.

We’ll bounce back tonight. Watch and see.

Chill and Marvin out-played Iguodala even last night for his minutes if you watched the game. As I said the key was Bibby and Smith being below par.

By hawksfanfordawin

April 5, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

Wow i just noticed that jj got 32 points in 35 minutes pretty good we couldve won if bibby and josh stepped up

By James

April 5, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

MJ3 you are spot-on. Ando is talking some real crap if he is trying to suggest that CP3 over Marvin was consensus; the only two people who were fighting for the top pick in the draft were Marvin and Bogut. None of the “experts” thought CP3 was going to be this good, even Josh Smith, who expressed disappointment that the Hawks were not going to get Bogut after they got the #2 pick.

No matter who had the picks, Marvin was not going lower than #2 and now that he is getting outplayed by Thaddeus Young, Ando wants to talk about how clear the Chris Paul decision was.

You talk about “if Billy had simply drafted Paul (not Marvin), Igoudala (not Childress), Ellis (not Salim), and Roy/Gay (in a “how can you lose, either way, pick-em, over Shelden).”

IF HE HAD DRAFTED PAUL, HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE POSITION TO BE AN IDIOT AND TAKE SHELDEN. HELL, IF HE HAD TAKEN IGGY, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN IN A POSITION TO PASS ON PAUL!

I am just as big a BK-hater as you, but I hate ridiculously fallacious logic even more.

BK >>>>>> Ando.

By jami$$ion

April 5, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

STEVE T WE HAVE TWO GUYS ON OUR BENCH THAT CAN KNOCK DOWN THE 3 IN SALIM & RICHARDSON.WE ALSO HAVE A SCRAPPY DEFENDER NAMED WEST.THAT IF EMPLOYED EFFECTIVELY CAN & WILL SLOW DOWN THE FIRST SCORING OPTION ON OPPOSING TEAMS.WHILE ALSO TRANSFERING DEFENSE INTO OFFENSE.BUT OUR COACH NEGLECTS THESE PLAYERS FOR FAVORITISM & THE IGNORANT THINKING OF BRANDNAME PLAYERS, & WHERE & WHEN YOU WERE SELECTED.AND SALARY SUGGESTS IF YOU SHOULD PLAY RATHER THAN THE SITUATION.I’M PRAY HE WON’T BE ABLE TO SAVE HIS JOB.AMEN

By Tiger Woo

April 5, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Regarding the 2005 draft, the bottom line is the Hawks desperately needed a point guard at that time - they already had a surplus of forwards (Childress, J-Smoove, Harrington) regardless of the consensus for Marvin @ # 2, unless that pick was for a franchise-type player like LeBron, why not draft for need and go for one of the 2 point guards drafted in the top-five?

Sure, you might say that no one expected Paul and Williams to be as good as they are, but they were a major upgrade over what we had at the time.

Chalk this one up to bad decision-making and foresight.

By SSI Fan

April 5, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

There are few teams who have a better starting guard tandem than Bibby and Johnson.

My son went to high school with Kwame, and I live in Glynn County. The Hawks don’t want Kwame, and that’s not just because of his basketball skills.

By Najeh Davenpoop

April 5, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

“Equally nonsensical is the ongoing posting of the idea that ownership is going to re-sign all these players (“Bird rights”), and get to, or even SURPASS the cap. This is one of the most underfunded franchises in the league, a fact which consistently reinforced by their perpetual occupation of the bottom-five lowest payrolls in the league.”

I’m assuming that’s addressed to me, since I’m the only one who brought up Bird rights. Clearly you seem to have some issues with reading comprehension, because in every post I made regarding that topic I made it clear that NBA cap rules allow the team to go over the cap to keep those players — it’s entirely up to the ownership if they are willing to do so or not, and like I said I don’t pretend to know what the owners are thinking. Apparently you do, though, so I’ll take your word for it that they won’t go over the cap… although I’m guessing you would have also told me they wouldn’t have traded expiring contracts for a point guard getting paid $13 million this year and $14 million next year.

“Just think of the lack of acrimony, and pointless discussion, that would have defined this blog, over the last 2 and a half years, if Billy had simply drafted Paul (not Marvin), Igoudala (not Childress), Ellis (not Salim), and Roy/Gay (in a “how can you lose, either way, pick-em, over Shelden).”

I think others have done a good enough job emphasizing that you come across more like an arrogant Debbie Downer than an actual Hawks fan, but let me be the one to point out the obvious: if the Hawks had drafted Iguodala, they might not have had a shot at Paul. If the Hawks had drafted Paul, they most certainly would not have had a shot at Roy or Gay. And if the Hawks had drafted Roy or Gay they most certainly would not have had a shot at Horford. You have pointed this out yourself, by saying that Billy Knight lucked out into getting Horford. So what’s the point of making this comment, other than to expose yourself as a fake Hawks fan who would rather see the Hawks miss the playoffs just so Billy Knight gets fired? I’m not a BK fan either (I’d be surprised if any Hawks fan really is one) but what exactly did he do to you, steal your girlfriend?

Regardless of the Hawks’ prior front office screw ups, they are in a position right now, finally, to make the playoffs. While the rest of us are enjoying the temporary excitement provided by this playoff run, you are sobbing and wailing about previous failed draft picks, speculating on how the calamitous event of a mismanaged Hawks team making the playoffs will bring about changes to the playoff format, and emphasizing every negative about the Hawks’ current situation to the fullest extent possible, under the disguise of “legitimately questioning”. This is why the “absurd urban construct” known as “hater” applies to you. You seem to be unable to see the positive.

By jami$$ion

April 5, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Salim fan on point on that last post.EVERYONE READ THAT LAST POST.And i just wanna add one thing.This is why i want the offense ran thru josh & al.Hear me out for u throw a fit.If josh & al attack the rim,they have to be doubled.then they’ll draw the foul put the other team in the penalty and open the o for jj and bibby 2 get 20 off open looks

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

Amen,

Salim (as a Hawk):

Rookie:9.7 ppg 20.3 mpg

Sopohmore:7.7 ppg 17 mpg

Junior:5.3 ppg 10.9 mpg (and almost 50 DNP coaches decision)

Just last season he had a career high 37 points vs. portland.

Just last season he had a career high 7 3pt fg’s against Milwaukee.

In his rookie season he set his first career high at 33 against the hotnets.

He’s only played 326 minuets this season as opposed to 1,236 as a rookie and 1,034 as a sophomore.

As a rookie 38% from beyond the ark.

As a sophomore 36% from beyond the ark.

As a Junior(this season) 30% from beyond the ark.

Do the math haters.

You can all clearly see the correlaton between his minutes and his production.

SO B/C LOUIS PLAYED 29 MINUETS LAST NIGHT THAT MAKES HIM BETTER. AS OPPOSED TO A DNP?(he only had 9pts)

LOU’S CARRER HIGH 25PTS AS OPPOSED TO SALIMS 37PTS? GET REAL. LOU’S CAREER HIGH CAME THIS SEASON (HIS 3RD SEASON)

By Tiger Woo

April 5, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

SalimFan,

Hopefully, Salim can get on another team next year and get a chance to play and show his skills.

It’s obvious he’s not in the Hawks’ present/future plans.

Unfortunately, when he had his chances this year, he didn’t do very much to impress the coach, I guess.

By drmaryb

April 5, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Hey RichBrave

Yes baby, I saw your post on Euro-Funk! Waaahh! I went out & bought some Febreeze for you. LOL!

Did you see mine - too?

I don’t know what Blog I posted that on, but you can blame ray-star for starting that.

Anyway, that was an interesting game last night - huh? I think Bibby was nervous playing on a new team & in front of his dad.

Very competitive game down the stretch though. We just couldn’t get any stops though, when we really, really needed it. I went to sleep depressed ;(

Well, tonight we lace em’ up & try to get that one back on their court - which in and of itself will be a challenge given our road record.

Go HAWKS! my passion is drained…

By Sautee

April 5, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

To Konkaker:

About your earlier post when you said “Chill and Marvin out-played Iguodala even last night for his minutes if you watched the game”.

I watched the game and I thought that Iggy was the best player on the court. Including JJ. For LAST NIGHT’S GAME.

Not hatin’, just sayin’.

This points out how subjective all of this is. I’m not doubting YOUR perception, but this die-hard Hawks fan thought differently.

peace

By ray

April 5, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Today In The News

And with a loss comes an Andro…Some of you don’t get it, and others clearly don’t remember Andro. Well, call him out if you want to (MJ3, James). Don’t say I didn’t warn you, though. And get ready for essays of epic proportions. tb, you should know better.

Speaking of which, to the unnamed turd-burglar (ahem…tb..cough cough)…next time you feel the need to express the anguish you feel on your confused sexual identity…use your own damn name and not mine, like you did on the last blog, okay? As if it wasn’t obvious who it was…you had to use the “I’m not funny” line. Gee whiz…, who has been telling me that I’m not funny for the better part of an entire blog, hmmmmm? Ah well, I knew the pseudo-pious exterior would disintegrate eventually. And as usual, this person resorts to the usual juvenile comments, having been soundly beaten AGAIN in a battle of wits that he (or is it she now?) should’ve never gotten into. But do you know what’s truly funny? This person will read this…once again…because they can’t help themselves. And then reply in some ridiculous fashion..again…probably using my name or some other name (whatever they can think of). You know what they say…a cockroach of any other color is still a cockroach…

Mo Cheeks shows us what we’re still missing in the ATL: a good coach who instills confidence in ALL of his players, starters and bench guys alike. How else do you explain guys like Young and Green coming out and doing the job they did?

What was with Zaza and that technical foul? I don’t even know what he did, but I sure saw Woodson giving him hell for it. What did he do? Maybe he raised his arm too close to the ref’s face and he got a whiff of that Eur…oh never mind. I don’t want the pious arm-pit police after me again (not that it does them any good). Seriously, Zaza’s game stinks bad enough for a “Right Guard” commercial. What happened to this guy? What happened to the 12 and 7.5 he averaged the first two years? I expected growth, not regression…

In other news, all is silent under the bridge. Well that is, until either Sekou writes another compelling article (aren’t they all?) about the Hawks, or some blogger’s excerpt is cut and pasted to one of the troll’s columns. Seriously, can these guys even look Sekou in the face at the AJC offices? Watch, one of those warty creatures is even now trying to craft some meaningless drivel about the draft even as we speak. And the only difference will be the time the article is submitted, and the name at the top. I swear…

Have you ever wondered what this blog would be like if we all agreed with every single thing * HB Ando* said and felt the exact same way? The very thought probably makes some of us want to go running for some St. John’s Wort right now…by the way Ando, it’s only fun to predict a loss if you tell the whole blog, not just one dude on the phone. Have we forgotten the inflexibly fickle (major oxymoron alert!) rules of blog credibility?

And in other news, Blog Crimes Unit para-legal representatives have announced that ASG members and Billy Knight are considering filing a lawsuit against HB Ando for defamation of character by telling the truth. One owner, speaking on condition of anonymity had this to say: ” That Fu#%ing piece of s&#@t is always saying the worst mo%#er-F*=@#ng things about us! Who the (expletive) does he think he is, claiming that he f#@%#@ knows what we’re *%##@%, and (double expletive)! We know Billy is a (ooohh..that was a bad one) retard! But he refused to shake Belkin’s hand, and that ALONE is worth retaining him!

Billy Knight had this to say: “I said everything I needed to say at the town hall meeting. Was he at the town hall meeting? I was. Was he? I still say I know more about basketball.”

Heh heh heh! And here come the flames…..

Well, we have the chance to show Philly something different tonight. I say if Bibby’s shooting any better than he did last night, and all else is equal…the Sixers won’t be walking off the court smiling tonight. Remember, IF all else is equal. We can’t have Bibby putting up big numbers and everybody else screwing around.

And that’s all for now…

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

Tiger Woo,

I guess salim didn’t impress him. But having all those guards early in the season just gave woodsn an excuse not to play salim. It’s really dissapointing when you consider how he closed out the 06’ 07’ season. I had high hopes.

Like that pessimist ando said, fools gold lol.

By Ken Strickland

April 5, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

Last nights gm was an excellent example of good coaching winning out over no coaching. How often have I emphasized the need for the Hawks to start applying fullcourt DEF pressure? It would create steals, deflections, turnovers, and take time off the clock. Isn’t that what Philly did to us last night, and weren’t the results exactly what I predicted? They used their bench liberally, pressured us DEF, and ran the ball down our throats.

Bibby and JJ have started walking the ball up the court, to conserve their energy for the 2nd half. They now realize Woodson isn’t going to give them any rest, unless they’re injured or in foul trouble.

Philly overplayed the entire gm, and we didn’t attempt a single back door cut or lob pass. We also did nothing to take advantage of JJ being double teamed. Somebody had to be open. Cheeks’ strategy was to take away our 3pt shooting and limit our OFF by taking time off the clock, and he was more than successful.

We know Woodson hasn’t shown the ability to employ strategy during a gm. So, let’s see what he can do between gms.

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

Ray, I seriously can’t breathe right now. Too funny man.

By new jersey faithful

April 5, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

Lets see if the Hawks can steal a game 2nite in Philthy!! GO HAWKS!!!!

By tb

April 5, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Hi Ray,

Not sure what you were referring to. If I need to tell you something, I will not need to choose a pseudonym.

Here try this. I don’t blame you, your just the product of too good an education.

Let me know if you figure that one out. So far, I don’t think you’ve been able to follow the thread of our little conversation. I paraphrase you, and you act like you don’t know what I’m talking about.

Seems like your buddy Ando is suffering a falling popularity; seems like quite a few articulate people have begun to say exactly the same thing about him that I did over a year ago. Almost word for word.

Now, that’s funny.

By Najeh Davenpoop

April 5, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Ken, I couldn’t agree more with every word of your post.

By tb

April 5, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

I agree with Ken and Najeh.

Woodson is in so over his head. Just think how bad he’s going to be able to show himself up when he gets into the playoff format.

Watch the opposing team enter the game with an intelligent well prepared strategy. Watch the other team make in game adjustments. Watch the other team consistently run inbounds plays.

Watch Woody frown.

I really hope the players can continue their very nice run. The sad truth is that they are playing with a huge disadvantage. they are truly hadicapped by Woodson’s attempt at coaching.

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

Davenpoop I couldn’t have said it better myself.

Late Breaking News Andro’s been abducted by the trolls and fed some of zaza’s Euro Fun…… It’so bad that the Blog crimes Unit couldn’t get near him and are looking for area 51 anti-radioactive space suits in order to continue their interrogation.

By I.MUS WRITE

April 5, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

…………………AHHHMM YEAH- WHAT N.DAVENPOOP SAID ESPECIALLY THE FAKE FAN PART.

ANDO-PESIMIST IS HIS MIDDLE NAME

By ray

April 5, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

SalimFan,

Glad you enjoyed it. I really wonder what happened to Zaza though. He was quite the bargain when we signed him. His first two years were fairly productive. Sekou was right when he said that Zaza’s development was going to be more critical to our success than any other player on our team. The reason he’s right about that is because Zaza was our starting center, the position that we’ve been lacking at and have been ranting about this whole time (besides the pg position). His failure there (for whatever reason) has caused us to use a guy who’s more naturally suited to power forward. Fortunately for us, our power forward is exceptional. But if Zaza had at least kept up what he was doing, imagine how much more effective our frontline could be. Had he advanced/developed more…we’d be dominating down low…rather than struggling.

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

Ray I agree, I think all that success during the pre-season promted him to come into the season a little over-confident. Then he got injured, teams got more intense and zaza buckled under the lime-light. Then when he realized that woody was going to yank him when he made mistakes (especially since Al doesn’t make that many) he slowly started to get back into form. His effort and play has been great as of late, minus the tech last night.

By drmaryb

April 5, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

Hey Najeh Great Post Today on here at 2:53pm

Keep smokin’Bra! Get Em’! That was an awesome post, ACRIMONY? somebody must have really really sneezed on your captin’ crunch today.

You didn’t name names but whomever got you going? I hope they DO-It-Again!

Because you are bringin’ the Heat & the Passion on here tonight! I can’t even remember what you said right now - but I jumped off this chair and said Halleljulah!-sp when I was done reading that one!

seriously, Najeh, I loved your points & facts and the veracity of what you were saying - If you could pass - a - plate on here? I’m Tithing 25% today. LOL!

Get Em’

By drmaryb

April 5, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

Hey Beat-Biter

You know who you are! You signed on using ray’s handle, while clearly ray had left the building.

While, I was looking for ray? You were sneaking in the back door and dropping a turd on him. Hey, your’e probably the same coward that did the same thing to me…

(TB) YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED AGAIN!

Have you no pride or any self-worth?
No Cowards & No Crybabies are allowed on the Grown Folks Blog Haven’t you heard this?

The thing people who do this fail to realize is that -

You are who we thought you were - And we are NOT gonna’ let you off the hook!

A different sign-on does not make you look any less recognizable!

Why? Because the RHETORIC is the same and that my friend is - Irrefutable!

By tb

April 5, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

drmaryb

I already told ray that I have no need to sign in under another name.

It’s so nice of you to stand up for the guys though. Damn, I wish I could be in your club and be like you guys.

Another funny.

You know mary, I remember a cute little post you made a few weeks ago referring to your string entering a certain orafice; very classy. Really nice to come onto a blog (mostly guys, of course) and talk about your crotch. I sure wish I had a girl like you.

I am so in awe of you guys.

I’d really rather talk Bball.

By the way, you sure your a doctor, you seem more the cheerleader type.

You know a really quick way to know how unintelligent someone is? Listen when they attemt to build an argument. They start off with a hypothesis, and end up with truth. Like when you assert that I’m signing in under another name. It just isn’t happening. Just another case of you being wrong.

Like I said, you want to know what I think, just ask. “tb” will answer, unless I get too bored.

By drmaryb

April 5, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this

Hey Salimfan

Great Post-Up at 4:22pm

I had to take a double look - I thought you were ray at first.

F U N N Y stuff maaaane! I espec like the part about the area 51 space suits need to get closer,,,,

That was Just WRONGE!

By Ken Strickland

April 5, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this

For a long time I’ve felt that certain HC’s aren’t as good as advertised. Instead of leading their players and team, they tend to hide behind their players, like Woodson’s doing now. I feel the same way about Pat Riley and Phil Jackson. Now don’t get me wrong, they’ve both been very successful. But they’ve both achieved their success by managing players and personalities, not developing them. That’s why neither of them will coach a team with young inexperienced players that need to be developed, like Atlanta or Portland.

I compare them to real HC’s like Lenny Wilkins, who’s the winningest HC in NBA history, or Don Nelson. Lenny put Seattle on the map and started their winning tradition. When he replaced Bill Russell as Seattle’s HC, he transformed that franchise. He released veteran starters Paul Silas and Slick Watts, traded Spencer Haywood and demoted Down Town Freddy Brown to 6th man. He moved developing young talents Jack Sikma to center, made Phil Smith and Gus his guards, moved veteran Jimmy Johnson to SF and made Lonnie Smith, who was acquired from NY in the SHeywood trade, the PF. He developed this team into a NBA champion. What was cleveland before Lenny became their HC? He developed that team from stratch, except for Larry Nance. Remember Mark Price, Brad Douthery, Craig Ehlo(excuse the spelling)Gerald Wilkins and the guard that played next to MJordan(I can’t remember his name)?

Woodson has the same mindset towards young players, as PRiley and PJackson, except he lacks their talent for managing players and/or personalities. And none of these guys are known for their ability to employ gm time strategy.

It frustrates me to think of what this team could accomplish with an imaginative, flexible, openminded HC like MCheeks or DNelson.

By drmaryb

April 5, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

Come On HAWKS!

This City, These Fans, These Bloggers and These Kids - Deserve a WINNER!

We don’t need no - LOSERS!

By drmaryb

April 5, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this

Go KenS GO! GO! GO!

Get Em’ Great Post on here at 6:08pm CLASSIC! great notes, facts, stats and extremely informative!

That is the exact same point I was trying to articulate yesterday. Good Stuff, I didn’t quite know how to say it - But you are dead on correct!

Phil and Pat are excellent at what they do! Managing personalities and games! How else would you explain the drama in LA LA:

Phil writes a Tell-All book about how KOBE drove him to see a SHRINK & Smoke Pot his first time there.

And then, he turns around and comes back to COACH in LA LA and know he & KOBE are cool? How do you explain that? Is it that he & KOBE both came to a COMPROMISE or is it that they are both Co-Dependent?

And, both have a sick-need to -

WIN?

By mykhalc

April 5, 2008 6:27 PM | Link to this

KEN, we need to add THEUS to that list of imaginative coaches that gets the most from his roster!!!

i said it many times before, but WOODSON was hired to baby sit!! and they knew they did NOT give him much to work with at all almost 4yrs ago, which is why they will/did NOT fire him year durin’ the year. it’s the SASG act of loyalty for someone that had no chance even tho he was/is NOT HC READY…PERIOD!!!

By jami$$ion

April 5, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this

FUDD21. I just do not agree that iggy is that much better than chills.did u,or any of u guys actually watch these guys in college?If so you’ll know chills & salim were great number1 options.The reason chills is a super sub is easy.If u were the man all your life & were forced to be the 6th man.U don’t think you’ll be better than the scrubs on the other team.It’s hard to put up numbers when you don’t get time or plays ran for you.We have one play.Iso for jj.Give me a HC that a use his players,attack the rack

By jami$$ion

April 5, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

Give me a coach that can make adjustments.Use his bench properly.Attack the rack.Implicate a system.Play players depending on situational needs instead of draft selection or salary standings.A motivator not a spectator.Someone that a tell these cats what they are doing wrong,and how to rectify it.Instead of someone who sits there with their arms folded and just scolds them with a blank expression on their face.someone with a insideout offense,not a outside jj jumpshot one.then will we see our potential

By atlman

April 5, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

I have a bad feeling about this, ever since jamission has been blogging weve lost

By Murphy

April 5, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this

Lets get this win tonight Hawks!!

By Najeh Davenpoop

April 5, 2008 7:27 PM | Link to this

Haha, drmaryb, I didn’t say “acrimony”, that was quoted from Ando’s earlier post. Unlike Ando, I can post without using SAT vocabulary words in every sentence.

By Najeh Davenpoop

April 5, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

I’d also like to point out that it’s been 2 straight games now that Zaza Pachulia has dunked the ball.

I don’t know about y’all but I’m in shock.

By ntrigue

April 5, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this

Could somebody please explain why we just called a timeout..We running them off the court they should be the ones calling for a timeout!!! Fire Mike Woodson!!!

By Najeh Davenpoop

April 5, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

One more thing I gotta say… flipping between the Hawks and the NCAA game, whoever ends up with Derrick Rose next year is gonna get real good, real quick.

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!SSSAAAAAALLLIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!

Woodon isn’t THAT dumb after all.

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

salim with the nice dish to chillz!!!

By Najeh Davenpoop

April 5, 2008 7:35 PM | Link to this

SalimFan, did you stick up Woodson last night or something? Salim’s in the game instead of Acie Law, even if it’s only for a half a minute.

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 7:35 PM | Link to this

Now we’ll see whos better…

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this

SALIM AND BIBBY!!!!!!

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this

SNIPER!!!!! WITH THE THHHREEEE!!!!!!!

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 7:40 PM | Link to this

Salim with the dish to SMOOVEEE!!!!!

By Tiger Woo

April 5, 2008 7:41 PM | Link to this

Good for Salim … I actually prefer Salim over Acie Law - at least he has a jumpshot.

He’s actually playing pretty well.

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 7:41 PM | Link to this

SNIPER with the pass to ZZZZZZZ!!!!!

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this

ZAZA IS MESSIN UP THE FLOW!!!!

Yeah Davenpoop, woody and I had a LOONG Conversation lol.

By Author

April 5, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this

Smoove bricks two free throws. Surprise, surprise.

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 8:06 PM | Link to this

SALIMMM AGAIIINNNN!!!!!!!

Why does mo keep tryna match lou with salim???? He must want him to get torched!!!!

That dummy millerr, Salim at the LINE!!!

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this

Darn, I wish salim would of hit that layup at the end of the half.

By jami$$ion

April 5, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this

TIGER WOO.Just because someone gets more pt doesn’t mean their better.If that’s the case jj & ai the best two players in the league.I remember a portland team with a salary that was over 50 mill over the cap.i remember marv or bogut.like durant & oden.so if kd don’t get the roy is he a bust over al?How many minutes do you think roy would get behind jj’s 42 out of 48 to show he can ball anyway?then you’ll be saying.”Why BK draft a 2 when we have jj?”Keep hating .MJ ain’t do jack til he got a good coach.

By jami$$ion

April 5, 2008 8:37 PM | Link to this

bet money we win these hatas won’t be found!and we pose to swept these hoez! real talk chief.go hawks stick crow in their mouth.

By jami$$ion

April 5, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

bet money we win these hatas won’t be found!and we pose to swept these hoez! real talk chief.go hawks stick crow in their mouth.

By Juice

April 5, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

Can we bring Salim in now. Why leave him out of the game when he was doing so well? Where’s Richardson?

By Tiger Woo

April 5, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

jami$$ion,

In general, just because someone gets more pt doesn’t mean they are better.

I also didn’t mean to imply that the player who logs the most minutes is the best player.

In the case of Salim vs. Lou Williams, it is not really possible to compare the two since Salim plays so infrequently. Personally, I would prefer Lou W. over Salim.

Regarding Roy vs. JJ, I’m sure you could find some minutes for Roy - JJ wouldn’t have to be depended on to play so many minutes. He and JJ could even play together at times.

By ugaman

April 5, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

Maqn, Reggie Evans fouls every time he defends someone and the refs don’t call it. He hit Al’s arms three times and didn’t get called. OMG! they called a foul on Reggie, I can’t believe it!

By ugaman

April 5, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this

Well,we survived their run in the third and lead by 13 going in the fourth. It sure doesn’t fell like we outscored them in that quarter. Maybe that’s a good sign for the fourth. It can really take the air out of a team when they fight so hard to come back but find themselves down by even more at the end of the quarter. Let’s hope JJ has something left at the end. I say put JS on the block. Philly didn’t seem like they could handle him down there.

By jami$$ion

April 5, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

HEY ALTMAN. HOMEBOY I’M THE TRUTH.READ ANY THING I POST AND IT MAKES SENSE. AND I DON’T CARRY A THESARUS IN MY POCKETPROTECTOR. REAL ATL PIMPING THAT’S ON THE BLOW. I’M ALL FOR THE CITY SHAWTY.GLAD SALIM BUSTING YALL D!CK ! DEATH TO THE HATAS. GO HAWKS !!!!!

By ray

April 5, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

LIAR

By jami$$ion

April 5, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

This the way we should play. As i said run plays for smoove they can’t handle him.if he draw the double kick it 2 jj or bibby or salim for the clear look. it’s so simple. you cavemen can do it

By ray

April 5, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

Najeh, you’re killin’ me…Zaza with two dunks…LOL!

By ugaman

April 5, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

Big 3 by Joe afrter Evans pummeled him with no foul called. Way to make’m pay JJ!

By richbrave

April 5, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

Come on guys who’s winning Inky or the ROY of the year?

By ugaman

April 5, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this

Bibby + JJ = Clutch!

By Tiger Woo

April 5, 2008 9:24 PM | Link to this

2 big jumpshots by Bibby !!

By Matt

April 5, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

I’m not normally one to complain about the refs, but I smell home cookin’ with all these no-calls when Hawks get hacked in the lane…

By SalimFan

April 5, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this

I still wish bibby was more consistant throuhout the game but a win is a win.

By A Thinking Fan

April 5, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Remember this is a Mike Woodson conceived offense! Bibbs is makin’ chicken salad out of chicken poop-poop…

By mykhalc

April 5, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

get HENRY BIBBY outta the bldg!!!!

BIBBY was still COLD-BLOODED when he hit the must needed 3!!! but the cat was clearly off his game again tonite. some of his decisions on passin’ up some shots i did not totally get!!!

they gutted out the win tho they played NOT to lose in the end!! never the less, good ROAD win!!

By Najeh Davenpoop

April 5, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

Not the prettiest game in the world, but the Hawks were really resilient — every time the Sixers made a run the Hawks kept them at arm’s length, which is hard to do on the road especially for a team that has struggled on the road all season. Makes up for yesterday’s stinker anyway.

By ray

April 5, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this

Jami$$ion, I don’t see how anyone could doubt that you’re a real Hawks fan. Might not understand everything you say, but I know you’re the real deal (I’m kidding, I’m kidding…well sort of, LOL!)

TB, WTF are you talking about? What “thread” of conversation? No, nevermind…what’s compelling is that despite the fact that you can’t stand me, you also can’t stand to scroll past my name and not read my posts. I have no idea why. So you’d rather talk basketball, eh? Well then why is it that the only people paying attention to you are those whom you see fit to engage in verbal combat? I take it back, you really ARE a funny guy:

Some comments you made in your last post: It’s so nice of you to stand up for the guys though. Damn, I wish I could be in your club and be like you guys. I sure wish I had a girl like you.

Gosh, seems like the things Ando has been saying about you recently and years ago are coming back, out of YOUR mouth no less. Now that’s funny. Furthermore, the comment to drmaryb sounds like an actual admission. Hysterical…

You’re absolutely right…in comparison to you, I am not funny at all. Heh…!

By ray

April 5, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

mykhalc, we won? Didn’t get to see it tonight.

Matt, what’s worse is they were just about as bad in the last game, which was in our house. It’s ridiculous.

By Da Professa

April 5, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this

2 games behind Toronto for the 7th seed! I think 3 behind Philly for the 6th. It could happen!

By Steve T

April 5, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

I wish everyone will give the Chris Paul, D. Williams, and Roy thing a rest. Woody did not want a rookie PG. He wanted a vet and Billy help him out. Heck Wodson do not want those young point gurads on his team.

Sekou, what has Marvin been doing since this play-off run. He had a great game against the Knick. In this series, he shot 67% from the field, and 83% from the stripe. He had 5.5 rebounds and averaged 18.5 points. The man is showing you guys what he will become in two years. When he add the 3 pt shoot to his game, he will be unstoppable.

By Steve T

April 5, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this

Sekou, tell Jeremy to hit the weight room over the summer. He needs to put on 20 pounds of muscles. The hawks will need him to help JJ out. If he beefs up to 205 - 215, he could play SG while we move JJ to SF. He has proven that he can shoot the 3. He just needs to get bigger to bang in the NBA on defense. Can you see JJ, Bibby, Jeremy, Horford, and Smith on the court. We could really be able to stretch the defense with 4 guys who can shoot the 3 on the floor together.

BK, tell Jeremy to beef up over the summer. You can go out and find a Ben Wallace type somewhere in the small colleges. Heck I will even settle for a Oakley or Mason type of player. We need to find a bully in the paint.

By johnny

April 5, 2008 10:23 PM | Link to this

THE BIBBY EFFECT

Wow, what a perfect name for the blog where Im about to submit my post!!!

Our young Hawks are really starting to get it. Theyre growing up,progressing, maturing right in front of our eyes.

Very good game, great job tonight by our talented young team. The future is bright.

Listen, this is a game there is no way we wouldve won without Mike Bibby. I know he’s struggled with his shot and everyhthing and Im not even talking about we wouldnt have won wihtout his big clutch 3pointer.

What Im talking about is this was just a grind-it-out game, the type that 2 months ago we wouldve totally crashed and stagnated in the 3rd and 4th quarters and looked terrible in slowed down halfcourt game, and choked away.

But with Bibby we stay poised, stay calm, keep our composure, and drive on. We fight through it and our offense is just so much better.

And what Im mostly talking about is the way we got trapped over and over again. A month or two ago we wouldve had SO MANY turnovers. He is the steady hand that we need that keeps us fighting thru the traps and in ball control. He’s the driver of our young ferrari, total control. We swerved out a few times in the 3rd quarter, but against that pressure a few months ago we wouldve crashed…….. and with Bibby we just dont. He wont let it happen.

So very good win tonight, great games from Smoove, Marvin, Joe, and Horford, and big important contributions from Bibby, Chillz, and even Zaza.

Good win, we’re playing very good ball in the last 12 or 13 games and its good to watch this team grow and thrive with a good pointguard like we all thought they would.

Also, we played very good defense tonight and I love the leadership shown by Bibby and JJ, theyre doing a wonderful job as the two leaders of this young team!!!

By Tiger Woo

April 5, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

Steve T,

Woody did not want a rookie point guard? Then why did they draft Acie Law?

?????????????

By mykhalc

April 5, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this

BIG RAY, yeah pulled out a ‘W’ tonite bro!!! an ever elusive road win at that too!!

JJ, JS, AH were all solid. MW had a very good first half shootin’!!! BIBBY was off again but came thru in the clutch!!! SALIM got burn tonite!!! and WOODSON is still clueless!!!LOL

By kwooden1

April 5, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this

Great Win!! Way to respond to last nights lose and to stay tough thoughout the game. I love the Playoff atmosphere, its great to have games that matter. It was good to see Salim come in and play some great minutes, I hate to see Acie on the bench but you’ve got to produce in the minutes your given. Now the next game is even bigger, Indiana is chasing the Hawks so this is another Playoff game!

GO HAWKS!!

By jami$$ion

April 5, 2008 10:56 PM | Link to this

Great win tonight. I told ya RAY.Beat them beyotchez and watch the hataz hide! and the ones on here complaining ain’t real fans.We gone shake them off to.

By Atl Flavor

April 5, 2008 11:02 PM | Link to this

That was a great win for this team. On the Road in a back to back off a LOSS. Damn Hawks do that damn thing!!!

By Tiger Woo

April 5, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this

jami$$ion,

You say a real fan isn’t allowed to complain?

Trust me, you’ve done plenty of complaining this year.

By jami$$ion

April 5, 2008 11:33 PM | Link to this

STFU MOTHeRFU%^5KRT BITH A$$ HO

By Kansas

April 5, 2008 11:48 PM | Link to this

jami$$ion - can you possibly be any more ghetto? Hood rat!!

By jami$$ion

April 5, 2008 11:57 PM | Link to this

I have a party in my pants!!!

By ray

April 6, 2008 12:10 AM | Link to this

Glad to hear we won. Nice. Not just for the sake of making the playoffs, but for gaining a measure of revenge against the team that we just lost to the night before. And most importantly, for our players to show themselve (and their fans) that they could do it. All year I had trouble feeling like the team was progressing (even though December was a nice month). Now I don’t feel that way so much, because this team is playing better ball to close out the season than it has in 4 years.

You have to think: if adding a player like Bibby was all it took, how come this wasn’t done sooner? Hmmmm. I’d say it’s obvious now.

To be fair, I’m glad we’re winning when it counts, given the opportunity. The fact that we’re making the playoffs despite the fact that we don’t have a winning record (or even a .500 record) speaks to a lot of things: the state of the Eastern Conference (weak), the system that determines who makes the playoffs, etc. Some good Western teams will indeed be kicked to the curb, and who can blame them for being angry if they are? If we played better than .500 ball, and other teams that didn’t play nearly that well made the playoffs instead…we’d be ticked off, regardless of which conference they were in.

Having said that, there are two sides to every coin. We are in the East, and it looks like we will be the team with the eigth most wins…which means we’re in. I’m happy for the players, who will get to experience something most of them haven’t had the chance to (except Bibby and JJ of course). In the meantime, let us not forget that the real work begins afterwards. Positions have to be evaluated, contracts have to be signed (or something along those lines), and moves have to be made. Playoff euphoria fades quick…

Again, I’m glad to see our team winning in ways that they haven’t been able to in years past. What’s to be enjoyed and appreciated is what our team is doing with a goal in sight and within reach. Remember, if it’s not us, then it’s one of the other teams that makes it. Our team is at the very least competitive enough to not want that to get away from them.

richbrave, looks like your boy Haywood did rather well in the win against Chicago. Not bad…

By SalimFan

April 6, 2008 12:10 AM | Link to this

It was funny how shocked Steve smith and Bob Rathburn werewhen salim got in the game.

They were like. “Salim? Ladies amd gentlemen we have a salim stoudamire sighting”

Steve was like “No acie law? Wow this is a suprise. Mike woodsen not going with acie law right now. Well this is good because acie will be fresh for the second half”.

It was so funny.

They were like “Salim Stoudamire is our suprising moment of the game.”

I mean seriously every minute of salims PT was a suprising moment WOW. Now thats comedy……man woodys an idiot.

By ray

April 6, 2008 12:10 AM | Link to this

Oh come on guys….

By g-thang

April 6, 2008 12:14 AM | Link to this

Do we have a chance of movin’ into that 7th spot or even 6th? I don’t want to see boston in the 1st round!!! I will take my chances with detroit or even orlando. Boston will sweep our butts under the carpet!! GO HAWKS!!

By g-thang

April 6, 2008 12:14 AM | Link to this

Do we have a chance of movin’ into that 7th spot or even 6th? I don’t want to see boston in the 1st round!!! I will take my chances with detroit or even orlando. Boston will sweep our butts under the carpet!! GO HAWKS!!

By SalimFan

April 6, 2008 12:34 AM | Link to this

Cross your fingers that toronto can’t right the ship before the playoffs.

By jami$$ion

April 6, 2008 12:51 AM | Link to this

That’s not me posting.And when does giving it to you straight become ghetto.The ghetto a place of poverty,where the disenfranchised live. The ghetto has nothing to do with my analysis of basketball. Aye TIGER WOO.I never said anything about you complaining .There are things we would all like to see different.But unlike the majority I have accepted my fate for i cannot change it.I’m not a plaintiff.I just don’t diagnose the illness,I prescribe a remedy for it.We have a great body we need a facelift.Ala MW.

By johnny

April 6, 2008 12:54 AM | Link to this

Woody has fooled all you guys, he’s been acting like a moron for years while saving all his coaching genius for the playoffs, where he will really drop the hammer and shock the world by coaching the Hawks to the NBA Championship.

By jami$$ion

April 6, 2008 1:08 AM | Link to this

johnny i wish. johnny i wish you were right on woody. let’s go slap indy in the mouth tuesday. GO HAWKS!!!! GET $$$

By mykhalc

April 6, 2008 1:12 AM | Link to this

DOC, there goes that bell again!!

By mykhalc

April 6, 2008 1:27 AM | Link to this

in the keepin’ it real segment…as much as some luv to hate ANDO, he’s on-point about CHILS vs AI (hind-sight or not). i luv what CHILS brings to this team but he is NOT a player that a team can be built around…PERIOD!!! the cat is scared of his jumpshot…hence the airball 3 in ATL vs PHILLY on fri dirin’ the 4th qtr comeback. AI is the 1st option in PHILLY!!! like i said, luv ALL that CHILS brings, no doubt!!! but UNLESS he finds a jump-shot in his career, he will ALWAYS limit himself and the team he plays for in THAT regard!!! and you cats did hear the part where i said i luv what he brings, right????!!! CHILS, find a jump-shot durin’ the summer man!!!!

By SalimFan

April 6, 2008 1:58 AM | Link to this

Check out the shameless al4roy Videos

Here’s Another I love it

By tb

April 6, 2008 3:55 AM | Link to this

Ray, why don’t you wake up and realize that you started all this by being rude and crude. It’s not that I don’t like you. As I said, I don’t know you. Of course, if we were ever to actually meet, my hypothesis of the situation would be this; I try to reason with you and you want to kick my a*. What do you think?

You are the one who started insulting people. Not me.

Like I told you, your humor was insulting. your just too uncultured to realize it.

I asked a few other Europeans what they thought about your statements. Don’t worry, I portrayed your words in context and with integrity. I told then it was a joke. They didn’t find it funny.

If I had made the faux pas of being culturally insensitive and someone reprimanded me, I’d at least be man enough to fess up.

From blog conversations, I’m now convinced that you are a very unsofisticated person. A product of your environment. You have never tasted the freedom of intellectual emancipation. like so many of your friends, you play the popularity contest version of behavior. It’s called conformity and conventionalism.

Let me tell you. You’ve never been a man until you stand alone.

Shall we make some derogatory comments, or humor as you like to call it, towards blacks now?

According to your boss Arrington, the situation is quite the mess. Of course, you already know that. If you want to deal with the bad, you don’t send angels, you send warriors. I’ve always found that counter-productive. But, it’s the system. Just not a reality or attitude that I choose to perpetuate. If you learned to follow leaders, you were manipulated. Do the better people win. Seems like history tells us that the strongest or most machiavelic people are the big winners. That’s very unfortunate of course, and until the trend is reversed, we will be stuck in this bad man’s reality.

Intead of looking at me, why not try to use a little introspection and learn something of the truth about yourself and your world.

If you believe everything people tell you, you believe anything. If you believe what your leaders tell you, your a follower, if you don’t believe anyone you are on the path to understanding.

I’ve spent most of my life defending difference. I had the great opportunity to travel young. to discover a bigger version of reality. This also had the effect of ostracising me. Either conform or be discrimminated. Well discrimminate away. I’ll continue my voyage. Everywhere I’ve been, what I found was people. People more similar than you’d think. But we can’t have people understanding that? They might start to over-look their differences and see that we’re all really about the same. Can’t have that, that might lead to peace and peace is really bad for business.

By Najeh Davenpoop

April 6, 2008 4:56 AM | Link to this

johnny, your 12:54 post cracked me up, even though if it happened I would be soooo happy.

Ray, for the record I thought your suddenly controversial joke was pretty funny.

By Najeh Davenpoop

April 6, 2008 5:00 AM | Link to this

“The Watcher” and Gang Starr for Al Horford? That should get him the Rookie of the Year right there.

By doc

April 6, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

hmmm i thought just maybe peace was achieved by letting it go rather than continuing to be right no matter how it is done, whether in words or with knives. freedom is allowing others to choose what they feel is right or wrong and being man enough to allow it, no law on social behavior especially when it comes to words on a blog. again be consistent rather than feeling left out or better said, envious from which this arises. funny how i used that very word with my son, ostracized, where does it come form and how does it play in this own play of nonsense or misrepresent truth even now when there is no suggestion of ostracization when all are welcome to say what they want on the blog.

why the continued confrontation? is it for peace? which is the pretended desire or is to be right or not? vietnamese buddhist priest thich knat hahn said true peace within is not achieved until one lets go of the concept that there is a way the world SHOULD be according to our own desires and viewpoint. if one stays in his on world of how it should be then he suffers.

ray funny stuff, sure it is offensive to some but what isnt? even these petty talks of who should have been drafted is a microcosm of continued suffering because of the concept of how it should be. i like the contrast you provide and the occasional real funny remark. contrast is important to decide what is liked or not. i dont think you were saying all euros’s are euro funk no more than drmaryb saying all white’s are trailer folk or home schoolers but funny how some didnt object so resoundedly to that. maybe he agreed and comes from his own sense of contradiction because he is so sophisticated which is by the way how it is spelled,

yep myk the bells are ringing.

very good win last night to affirm that this team is going into the playoffs deserving it. as they win out confidence grows and they begin to confirm some sense of credibility with wins against more formidable competition. i do like the way the sixers play, up tempo and in your face defense. almost looks like a college team the way they defend through out the full court from the inbound play to double teaming and trapping. boston and detroit better hope they get the sixth seed or better because they might make ether of those teams work more than they would want in a first round series.

By ignition

April 6, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

Missed the game last night. But I’m completely satisfied with this victory. Splitting with the 76’ers was definitely a good look.

By Ken Strickland

April 6, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

We’ve all heard about rookies hitting the wall. Well, it seem Bibby might be hitting Woodson’s wall due to playing so many mins. It’s also nice to see our coaching staff make between gm adjustments. It’s too bad they couldn’t make them during the 1st Philly gm. How difficult is it to realize that switching to a zone DEF would slow down Philly’s penetration? I’m certain the scouting report revealed that Philly wasn’t a good outside shooting team and ranked near the bottom of the league in 3pt shooting. That fact alone should have prompted the liberal use of a zone DEF, and should have been a simple halftime adjustment.

NAJEH DAVENPOOP-in addition to Don Nelson and Reggie Theus, Eddie Jordan, Byron Scott, Nate McMillan and the Suns HC should be added to the list.

What happened to all of the negative talk about MWilliams? He’s really settled down and is becoming the efficient jumpshooting assassin he was expected to be. His rebounding, DEF and overall consistency have also improved. He’s becoming more like Chills in terms of OFF efficiency. In case some of you haven’t noticed, Marvin is playing a lot of PF, especially when Chills replaces JSmith.

As much as I’ve complained about Woodson, it makes me appreciate these young Hawks even more. They are reaching down and overcoming every obstacle placed before them. They’re proving themselves to be real winners despite a losing record. They could still get 40 wins.

By SalimFan

April 6, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

Drmaryb, I apreciate the love.

Ken,I Agree no ones complaining about marvin now.

AL4ROY

Hubie Brown for HC!!!

By terrell barron

April 6, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

Ken, you’re right about Marvin. His overall game is improving. I hope he proves everyone wrong, including myself, who jumped off the “Goofy” bandwagon a while ago, after supporting him previously. Thats just the way it goes I guess. You play well, we like you. You suck it up, we dont. Maybe he’ll end up being as good as Paul and Williams one day. Very doubtful, but you never know. He’s already just as good, if not better, as the #1 selection that year. I think he’s gotten a bad rap to tell the truth. Being compared to Paul and Williams is kinda unfair. They have Sloan and Scott teaching, he has Woody. THINK ABOUT IT! Great win fellas, now lets crush the Pacers Playoff dreams on Tuesday night!

By cp

April 6, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

I missed the game but good win. Toronto is struggling so if we continue to play good ball maybe we can move up.

By JD

April 6, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

Marvin is playing defense? Igoudala torched him on Friday, as has every other decent SF Marvin is asked to defend.

Marvin has a PF body from waist to thighs and a girl’s body from the waist up.

The shooting has improved and Marvin actually had a double/double but how many games has he been under 5 rebounding? Too many! Marvin is one dimensional and there are a lot of jump shooters around.

By SalimFan

April 6, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

check out this great article from David Aldridge

The Article really clears a lot of the situation up for me B/C I thought Bibby still wanted nothing to do with his father. Which is why I found if funny that Bob Rathburn said they had dinner toogether the day before the game.

The 1997 Mike Bibby NCAA Championchip interview before the game where he talks about his dislike of his father. It’s really good check it out

I guess time heals old wounds.

By hawksfanfordawin

April 6, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

JD your a retart,marvin is only 21 and hes averagin 15 ppg and 6 rebounds take it for what its worth the guys been bugged for 3 years about the cp3 issue and now hes finally stepping up, without marv we wouldve lost that philly game and marvin is our 2 best man to man defender than joe..

By SalimFan

April 6, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

Check out the Mike Bibby Team Jordan Interview. YES he and Joe Johnson are both apart of team Jordan

By mykhalc

April 6, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

SalimFan, good post on the DA article. always good when family can find their way!!!

By g-thang

April 6, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

Kenmarvin is playin’ well, maybe Bibby has “hit a wall” due to too many minutes. True. It looks like we will make the playoffs. Anyone dare to start breakin’ down how we can beat the Celts? Rondo is a slasher, who do we put on him? Bibby? Celts win this battle Ray Allen=JJ?, this may be a tie., Pierce=Smoove? or Marvin? Either or I think this would go to Celts. Garnet=Horford or Zaza? No brainer.

What will it take for us to win 1, one, uno, game in boston, so that we will have 3 home games here?

By Najeh Davenpoop

April 6, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

I’ve been one of Marvin’s louder critics, but I gotta agree that since the All-Star break he’s played a lot better. More of his jumpshots are going in, more of his drives to the hoop end up with him on the free throw line instead of turning it over, and best of all he is attacking rebounds now instead of letting them come to him. He still has a lot to improve defensively but he’s stepping up that portion of his game too. Good to see him finally realizing some of his potential.

By Ken Strickland

April 6, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

JD-it’s easy to make an uninformed assessment of a particular player based on personal issues. First, the Hawks play a switching DEF, and played mostly a switching zone in last nights gm, so you can’t say Marvin was defending him when he scored. Secondly, a lot of Igoudala’s points were scored off steals, freethrows and fastbreaks. Yet, you hold Marvin alone accountable for defending against all of his points, including those Igoudala scored while Marvin was on the bench I guess. Does that really make sense to you?

By Ken Strickland

April 6, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

D-THANG-I’m not saying we have a chance to upset Boston, but we’re a much better team, especially OFF, than we were when we last played them. The thing that will hurt us most is Woodson’s refusal to get production out of our bench and to give our key players the rest they need. During the playoffs, players expend a lot more energy due to the level of intensity, competition and physical play. Add that to a group of players that’s already overworded, and you have a prescription for disaster.

By Lil E

April 6, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Joe Johnson is making a strong bid for EC’s Player of the Month, again. Marvin has really improved on the defensive end, and he is doing a good job of boxing out. He also goes up and rebounds with two hands much more, which is big. He still has lapses where he’ll make an occassional weak foul, but he is stepping up for us. We still need either AC or Salim to step it up for us, so we can get Bibby some rest. I think (or maybe I should say I hope) AC will come into a few games and really redeem himself from the couple of frustrating games he has had recently.

Just wondering…Does anyone know if Speedy will be healthy by next season ?

By terrell barron

April 6, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

You mean Craig, Dont you?

By richbrave

April 6, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

Yeah RAY, Haywood had a career night. The last one was in 2005, I believe. One every 3 years. I’ll become a believer when those career games are back-to-back-to-back.

By reese

April 6, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

First all great win against philly on saturday. Another in a series of exciting games, understanding the importance of winning games to reach the playoffs and understanding that any team can be beaten.

The Good: JJ and Josh Smith were the hawks players who had positive entries in every offensive/defensive category. Horford and Smith each had double double in points and rebounds. Way to go Mike Bibby with continuing to shoot the ball in the 4th quarter. The reward was making key shots to keep the lead.

5 players scored in double figures and we out rebounded them again. Nice game plan by Woodson by having the hawks play a zone defense to pack the paint and provide an additional player against their drives to the basket.

The Bad: Below 80% free throw shooting as a team. A 15 point 3rd quarter. Luckily, we held them to 13 points in the quarter. Childress only produced 2 points and 1 assist in 25 minutes. He was the only hawks player not to make a field goal.

By g-thang

April 6, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

lookin’ forward…it looks like we are a lock in the 8th spot and we will be takin’ on Boston in the 1st round…please help break down the Boston game. we do a great job of breakin’ down past game…hindsight is 20/20. what are we goin’ to do wit’ Boston?

By Astro Joe

April 6, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

There will be some disgruntled “fans” when the Hawks make the playoffs. I almost feel sorry for those “loyal blue fans”.

By johnny

April 6, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

Man Bibby is just the ingredient tht this team so desperatley needed.

Very good pointguard, experienced leader, sharsphooter from the perimeter………….. etcetera.

Whoooooa baby Im loving watching these young talented Hawks play…… I wish that Woody would let Salim, Zaand Acie play more for a 9man rotation…… but Im enjoying immensely watching the vdery very good top 6 of Bibby, Joe, Marvin, Horford, Smoove and Chillz…. no doubt about that!

Go hawks!!!

By ray

April 6, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

Doc, you’re right. I’m done with it after this last reply.

Najeh, thanks. Glad to know people can appreciate one-time jokes for what they are. Perhaps I’ll make jokes about black people next (since I am one) to even things out. Heh…

TB, The fact remains that out of all the “rude and crude” comments that have been made in regards to a vast many cultural and social aspects, it is only my self-proclaimed humorous writings that you have taken issue with. You’ve conveniently and steadfastly ignored remarks made by others that have been meant to harm, while keying on mine, which are not. This leads me to believe that you choose to do so, and you choose to do so based on the fact that my writings gained some measure of popularity. You would be hard pressed to prove otherwise, though I suspect that your answer would be that you see no need to prove anything at all (easily predictable, and thereby validating my suspicion). And it is no coincidence whatsoever that you are the only one to have taken issue with me on the subject. Interpret that as you will. I can imagine how THAT would go. At any rate, this grows tiresome and pointless as it is not peace which you desire, but rather some sort of public conviction, as evidenced by your dogmatic pursuit. You seek to make a point which I will not concede or agree with. You will not accept my point or perspective, either. That is all there is to it.

If you wish the last word after this (and any parting shots, as is both customary and expected) then it is yours. I’m done with you. If you wish to talk basketball, then talk it instead of keeping up this…discussion. History has shown, however, that the bulk of your “contributions” on the blog have not been basketball related, but rather something directed at a particular person. We shall see if history repeats itself…

By Ken Strickland

April 6, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

G-THANG-you’ll get an idea when we play them here April 12.

TERRELL BARON-that was cold.

ASTRO JOE-you know it. Imagine what next yr will be like after having Bibby for an entire season, and coming off such a strong finish. And that’s with Woodson as HC. I believe we’ll see a maturity and consistency from MWilliams simular to what we’ve seen this yr from JSmith.

I wonder if having a strong playoff finish and a good showing in the playoffs will inspire the SAASG to resign Smoove and Chills. What will they do with Bibby? This will likey be his last chance at a big contract. So he might be willing to take less money for a long term contract.

At least we’ve found out if Woodson would be a better HC with the veteran PG he’s been complaining about not having. And the answer to that question is a resounding HELLLLL NO!!!!!!! Rather than enhance and/or expand his players talents and contributions, he’s restricted most of them. His coaching approach will most likely shorten or end their careers from either over utilization or under utilization.

By tb

April 6, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

Nice article on Horford’s ROY.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/warriors/ci_8830503

Why don’t we just get in the mode that the Hawks are going to make a run. They are good. They can be real good. Let’s just give them the positive vibes they need and let the chips fall.

This isn’t their peak year though. Next year should be the real beginning of this team’s new identity; unless they can make that run this year.

I’m justing looking at the team when they’re all clicking. They are an athletic monster. JJ and Bibby bring the skills. They could pull off a couple of wins against any team in a series. You never know.

I’m also looking ahead to next season when the Hawks make their move into the upper tier of the east. BK said Andersen was going to be brought over. I think you add a guy like him and do either a good job of re-signing our second/third tier FA’s or bring in a couple and we are looking real good.

I have to give some props to Woodson. I’ve been of the opinion that he wasn’t what we needed for almost two years. He’s been calling it a little better. I really like the way he worked the Bibby situation. After the first Philly game where Bibby went 1-11, then like a 2-11 start to the second Phil game and Woody was telling the team to stay with Bibby. He also seemed to rotate the bench more effectively and the all-round vibes on the team are really good.

If he helps them make that run into the playoffs, I might really have to change my position on him and look forward to him as a positive part of next seasons team too.

PS: BK can stay too.

By SalimFan

April 6, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

The reason I shed light on the fact that both Joe and Mike are apart of team jordan is B/C they’ve BOTH been slipping on the court a lot lately and I’m blaming it on MJ darnit.

Also remember earlier in the season when joe’scustom JJ jordan shoe kept ripping and he had to keep putting on different pairs.

Or what about the fact that Bibby Injured his heel in a pair of jordans? It’s very hard to injure a heel in (well padded basketball shoes).

IT’S TIME TO STEP UP AND PAY THE PIPER MJ!!!!!!!!

YOU COST US AT LEAST SEVEN VICTORIES BETWEEN BIBBY’S HEEL AND JOE WITH HIS SLIP N’ SLIDE/MY SHOES RIPPED AGAIN ACT.

By MannyT

April 6, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

While it is rarely said, Woody deserves credit for making adjustments on Saturday.

Maybe a blog topic for the offseason, but for all that BK hate Ando look at some objective criteria and rank the NBA GMs. While he isn’t Jerry West with the Lakers, he ain’t Pete Babcock either. BK is squarely in the middle of the pack and possibly trending upward.

doc, mykhalc your visibility problem might have been solved if you had a jacket with a snowflake on the shoulder! LOL

Maybe some Craig Sager wear would make you easier to find ;-0

Keep the dings coming, I doubt the fighting will subside when we get to an offseason w/o draft picks.

WAF

By SalimFan

April 6, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

Sighn Shannon Brown!

Nice article TB. All will win with all this shameless promotion thas going on around here lol.

Horford will eventually be a 20 & 10 guy.

By doc

April 6, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

manny t, can i borrow it for the next time? nothing but chuckles man. guess orange and brown doesnt pick up well enough for your 52 in flat screen huh myk? i saw myself just fine.

yeah, it was nice to see woody take a little pleasure after the win last night. did i see a smile? again, guess it helps to give him less choice off the bench. winning also makes someone look smarter even though the waf needs to go to change the impression further.

manny t, i am sure your oversight was on purpose because jerry west with the griz wasnt as good as the jerry west of the lakers? look there are worse than bk and until ainge bought his way back into prominence he was right in there as a huge failure and one worse than bk. bk has never had any wiggle room that most have. danny literally admits that he and doc rivers went begging last year to bring in ray allen then eddie house and posey.

not to trash aj now gone and departed because he played well, bibby has made woody smarter because bibby can shoot the ball and he doesnt have to call time out to call the stupid play of give it to jj. one just doesnt need a chalk board for that.

wow, and how about the mavs coming back against my suns. dern makes you want the payoffs to begin tomorrow so we can see some real ball.

By terrell barron

April 6, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

Just sitting here looking at the Bucks/Pacers score, on NBA.com. It sure is nice, actually being interested in NBA Basketball, this late in the season. It’s been a long time guys, lets enjoy it. If the Pacers lose this game, it’s a done deal. GO BUCKS! lol!

By mykhalc

April 6, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this

MannyT, DOC, LOL!! man i guess i’ll have to check and see if my 1080p is havin’ pixel problems!!!

doc, i’m tellin’ ya…BIBBY = player/coach!!we thought WOODSON was stealin’ a check before???!!??? well he can work from home now!!! that would probably look better to the rest of the staff too…won’t be able to see how much his duties have been shifted elsewhere!!

By mykhalc

April 6, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this

BK just approved WOODSON telecommutin’ on game days!!!

By richbrave

April 6, 2008 8:14 PM | Link to this

Hawks are gonna’ make it as #8. How does this year compare with last? Feel good. You’ve got a playoff team with that win over Philly. We got your back by taking out Chicago. Now, who’s next on the execution list? Time for serious hits.

By ray

April 6, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this

Utter catastrophe is all I can see keeping us from the playoffs. And I don’t see that coming. However, it will be interesting to see how our guys do against a premiere team.

Lil E, I don’t see Salim or Acie doing anything significant for us unless Woody gives them significant playing time. He can’t expect actual production out of somebody who gets to see the floor for 3 minutes. Why even have a bench if you don’t use it? Hell, how much money would we save with guys like Stoudamire, Richardson, and Jones if we just cut them? Of course, I say this with tongue firmly planted in cheek….we need those guys. But they need to play…

By ray

April 6, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

Today In The News

There probably won’t be another one of these until playoff time. Then I’m comin’ hard.

Mike Woodson apparently has a formula that he uses when it comes to the bench players. We planted a special microphone near the Hawks bench before a game, and recorded some of the little-heard conversations during the game. According to our technical sources, this is how it went:

Woodson: “Okay, you’re in the game…get in there.”

Player: “Really? Wow, I’m getting some actual playing time!”

One minute and a half later…

Woodson: “Hey! Get back over here to the bench. What the heck was that supposed to be?”

Player: “What was WHAT supposed to be? I didn’t do anything!”

Woodson: “Exactly! You didn’t do anything! I put you in the game, and you didn’t DO anything!”

Player: “What was I supposed to do? You didn’t run any plays where I was supposed to be involved.”

Player: “Involved? Involved! You ran three plays for Josh Smith 9 feet outside of the 3 point arc with 2.3 seconds left on the clock, and I was supposed to stay on the other side of the court, out of everybody’s way. You TOLD me to!”

Woodson: “Yeah, and because of you, Josh missed the shot each time. You failed. Back to the bench!”

Player: “But I..”

Woodson: “The only ‘but’ I want to hear is the sound of yours hitting the bench! JJ! Get back in there! And stop all that sweating! Man I tell you…give a guy all this PT and what does he do but sweat all over the place. Next thing, he’ll be telling me his calf muscle hurts or something….”

We won’t say who the player was. Read the disclaimer at the end of the post.

Seriously. MannyT is right when he says Woodson deserves some rare credit for his game time decisions in the last game. But how much credit does he deserve overall?

We could argue all day about Woodson needing veteran point guards to successfully coach. I’m not buying that. Until Acie Law was drafted, that’s all we had. There was Lue, Claxton, and Anthony Johnson. You just about can’t even count Royal Ivey. He was Mario West’s predecessor. You see how much Mario plays.

No, this all goes back to the same thing: if Woody needed a veteran pg, then why hasn’t he been able to succeed with the ones he’s had? Oh, you mean he needed a veteran pg with specific skills? Well, then why did it take Billy 3 or 4 years to find this out? Why did it take him 4 or 5 players to make it work? Look, a good pg is a good pg, regardless of how old he is. Need examples? How about this: Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Rajon Rondo, Marcus Williams (when he gets to play), Devin Harris.

I know what you’re gonna say: none of these guys would be as good under Woodson. Perhaps…but they’d still be damn good. A star is a star, is always a star. Just a matter of how bright, is all. Even putting that aside, if none of the aforementioned guys would’ve been as good under Woodson, then that only AMPLIFIES the fact that Woodson is just that bad.

Why is it that nearly every other NBA team has a bench with at least 3 contributors? The bottom line is this: Woodson isn’t the guy to get it done here. Bibby is why we’re winning now. It’s Bibby who takes the pressure off of Joe. It’s Bibby who can get the ball to the right guys at the right time. It’s Bibby who is providing the outside shooting. None of this has much at all to do with Woodson. Woodson’s contribution to this sudden sucess was clearly outline in one of Sekou’s articles a few weeks back: Woodson handed the reins to Mike Bibby by saying that if Bibby didn’t like what he was doing, then he’d change it to what Bibby wanted.

Next year, next year, next year. Bibby may not be here next year. Does the ASG want to pay him come contract time (after next year)? What will they pay him? Will Joe stay if he knows things could go right back to the way they were if Bibby is gone?

Winning is a euphoria that eclipses all reality. It makes everybody look good. When the rubber hits the road, when the playoffs begin…tell me if Woodson is better than he was a year ago…

By Astro Joe

April 6, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this

I’m not picking on you, Ray, because I know you’re not the one who brought it up. But there is something a little dysfunctional about a fan base who hasn’t enjoyed a playoff series in 9 years and is contemplating doom when Bibby’s contract expires in 87 regular season games. I mean, DARN, can’t we enjoy the next 5 games, the playoff series and another 82 games with Bibby before concerning ourselves with the PG position in the freakin’ ‘09-‘10 season? Should we ponder, NOW, life without JJ considering his deal is done in only about 167 games? Should we break out the calculator and count down the days before Horford leaves the Hawks (somewhere around 333 games)?

I’ve purchased my tickets to the first home playoff game in 9 years and I plan to do as Mrs. Smith suggested last week, “enjoy the ride”.

1-2-3 PLAYOFFS!

By MannyT

April 6, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this

ray maybe we got a slow start with Bibby due to his hand injury. As a new member of the team, Woody couldn’t read Bibby’s writing on the game plans the first week or two. Once he figured it out, we have been good ;-)

mykhalc you know one of the main reasons Woody never gets tossed is that he does not want anyone to get an inkling of what this team might do w/o him. One of those bad nights in January when the team was down 20+, I would have ripped into the team then ripped into a ref with a verbal assault that would make a South Park highlight film on the next bad call.

doc I skipped the mediocre Jerry GM because I was going for the high points of the profession and the low (Babcock.) All that said, it is funny to see the “you had to know to pick a PG over Marvin” talk.

Imagine how much grief the Portland GM took over the years for drafting Sam Bowie #2, and not Michael Jordan.

I think BK has been willing to pick a PG early in the past. In 1998 he used the 2nd pick on a PG named…Mike Bibby. That year he passed up Antawn Jamison, Vince Cater, Dirk Nowitzki and Paul Pierce. Even though you won’t always be right, you go with what you believe.

That same year, the Babcock Hawks chose Roshown McCleod of Duke with the 20th pick. Later picks in that 1st round included Ricky Davis, Ty Lue, Al Harrington & Nazr Mohammed.

And the Clippers had the #1 pick that year—using it on Michael Olowokandi!

Hey, he’s a 7 footer, can block a shot and is a free agent. We can sign him NOW!!!! ;-0

WAF

By doc

April 6, 2008 10:32 PM | Link to this

funny, just saw the yahoo fantsy who is hot and who do i see …. stuckey and j. crit. ouch, when do we get to see acie’s name there?

By richbrave

April 6, 2008 11:38 PM | Link to this

ray:

My man. Enjoy the ride. I say again, enjoy the ride. It’s been a long time for Hawks fans.

This is the first time the Wizards have been to the playoffs four years straight since the ‘80’s. Do I expect them to win a playoff series? He&& no. Maybe two games, but I’m gonna’ enjoy seeing them play. I’ll worry about Arenas coming back with a new contract NEXT year. Today’s all we got and D.C.’s in. The Hawks are gonna’ make it. I’m hoping to catch a few of the playoff games for Atlanta so I can root for my new team.!! The kids are beginning to believe they can beat anybody, not just the Wizards. It’s fun watching them begin to jell and mature.

By Lil E

April 7, 2008 12:13 AM | Link to this

ray, That is the unfortunate catch 22 the Hawks face. We need to play them to spell Bibby, but we need to play Bibby to win games. It’s a damn shame that Mike Woodson didn’t play them earlier in the season like a lot of bloggers said. Woodson still needs to find a way to get them in the rotation without creating big offensive or defensive liabilities. If we don’t, they’ll be very much out of sync in the playoffs.

By g-thang

April 7, 2008 12:20 AM | Link to this

Astro i’m witchu, bruh!! i got my tickets to the slaughter, too. i mean, i have my playoffs tix, too. i hope we can get one of those games in boston, then we would come back here wit’ hella confidence!!

By doc

April 7, 2008 12:34 AM | Link to this

you know i almost hope it is the celts rather than the pistons. we know how difficult it is to beat the pistons whereas we dont quite have the history of losing to the celts over the past few years. they also will be more vulnerable if they get in trouble losing a game or a player than the pistons are.

By mykhalc

April 7, 2008 12:41 AM | Link to this

what officially gets us in?? 2 more wins??

By SalimFan

April 7, 2008 1:02 AM | Link to this

Pretty much. If we beat indy and NY thats all she wrote. I hope we can win the Orlando game as well (I will be at that game) Just so we can have 40 wins on the season.

By ray

April 7, 2008 1:56 AM | Link to this

Astro Joe, I hear ya. I am going to enjoy what we have in the present. I can’t help thinking ahead in regards to Bibby for one reason: he has been the night-and-day difference in so many ways. I have trouble not thinking about what is coming because we know where we’ve been and we don’t want to be back there again. There’s no denying the days of reckoning that are coming. Will I dwell on it? No. But I also won’t be as anxious when it gets here.

In the meantime, I am so glad for our young guys, who will experience something other than absolute failure. A taste of the playoffs should sharpen the hunger to win, should it not? Oh yes.

MannyT, your post was off the freakin’ chain, man! A lot of what you had to say rings true. By the way, I think you should copyright the WAF.

Richbrave, agreed. Don’t worry, I’ll enjoy the here and now. My reservations and concerns for the future are exactly that: for the future.

Doc, Critt didn’t show me a whole lot when we played Memphis (he was trying too hard). However, his versatility (due in large part to his size) is obvious. He is obviously raw in ways that assure me that he would likely see less playing time under Woodson than even Acie Law. I can’t wait for Woodson to go. I truly think Acie will then blossom. Only guys like Chris Paul (and probably Deron Williams) are so gifted that their talent would largely overcome Woodson’s ineptness. That or an established, skilled veteran pg like Bibby. Regardless of this, I think Crittenton is in the right place and under the right kind of coach to be given a chance to flourish. Iavaroni is smart enough to avoid pigeon-holing Crittenton into the pg slot. He sees that Critt can do some things at the sg spot as well…but he’s just so freakin’ RAW…He’s better off just about anywhere but here. He’ll probably be good if taught by the right person.

Lil E, I agree with that. You definitely have to set that precedent at the beginning of the season. Otherwise it’s going to be too late. I don’t know about you, but personally I’m not willing to go another season with Woody to see if he catches on to ideas like that….I’m ready for him to just GO.

By BA

April 7, 2008 2:17 AM | Link to this

Doc is right, when he says, in essence, winning cures all. It might not be a popular opinion here, but since Bibby got situated and the Hawks started winning consistently, I’ve seen Woodson draw up some excellent plays after time outs. And Ray, when you say the wins are from Bibby and not Woodson, I’m apt to agree; I tend to think the players have far more influence than the coaches/managers in any professional sport. But what if we win fifty next year with Woodson? Does he get any credit then? I HATE the lack of a rotation, but IF Woodson had played these guys, would we have a better record? The guy is working with his back against the wall (and maybe his job on the line). And after all the criticism (much of it warranted) of “BK broiler”, ultimately he has built a roster of young, talented cats that are hungry to win. Childress was a good pick. Smith and Horford have been EXCEPTIONAL picks. And Marvin, provided his recent defensive improvement continues, will be a BEAST this time next year. Pachulia- good signing, a servicable back-up five. And to cap it off, this guy traded T.Lue and a hill of beans for Mike Bibby, and it has worked - our little psuedo Steve Nash to Pheonix story. These guys (Woodson/BK) have built this thing from the ground up, and with the Hawks back in the playoffs again, I like the results so far. I think they have both earned at least another year. And by the way, as far as Woodson giving Bibby control, I think it actually shows a little wisdom on Woodson’s part; not a very Bobby Knight thing to do. I’m torn on the Celtics/Pistons debate, the Celtics have a great coach and the best big man in the game; Detroit has a playoff team on their BENCH! Either way, I can’t wait to see this series, what a joke that the Hawks will be in the playoffs and you can’t hear a radio broadcast in Atlanta! Here’s to being back in the NBA, Hawks.

By doc

April 7, 2008 7:28 AM | Link to this

well put ba.

there is too much prejudice to think folks will change their minds about the bk, woody debate by much. even if they were to walk on water as we have surely all dug their grave seeing them dead several times over to allow them the opportunity for a reincarnation. nobody is perfect and i like to hope folks can grow in all their endeavors through life.

chris paul debate aside, i have said it before, i dont know the restraints on this organization from the top and that has had to influence the product in more ways than we can count or know to hold one person accountable for the mess we have seen during the divorce. looking forward to a bit more basketball again this season and continue to wish continued growth rather than a short term event like we have seen with the clips and the bulls among other formerly ascendent teams.

By richbrave

April 7, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

Everybody loves a winner. How about it Mr. HB? What say thee?

By RA

April 7, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

Empty rhetoric? Sekou, never underestimate the power of empty rhetoric. Empty rhetoric has been responsible for more than a few political victories over the years…

Anyway, to the fire Billy and Woody, the tar and feather Billy and Woody, and the kill Billy and Woody camps, I have something to say. First off, I’ve been a closet resident of all those camps over the last five years… That having been said, this is the first time since Billy became GM and Woody became coach, that they had a team that was talented enough, and EXPERIENCED enough to possibly win big. And I don’t know about some of you, but despite all the mistakes that Billy Knight has made, he doesn’t look nearly as inept to me as has in the past and even Woodson is beginning to look like the type of coach that could win with a veteran team behind him… I’m just saying that an informed judgement on both guys might be a little more balanced now that the final product is more…complete.

By Sergio

April 7, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

I dont noe wut 2say about Bibby… well 1st of all hez my fav. player nd alwayz has been since grizzlies to sac. nd now 2 da young Hawks team. wherever bibby goes dats my team nd therefore hez made a big improvement on this hawk team winning their last 10 of their 13… Clinching the palyoff birth hopefully which we will if we win against indy nd da droughtful knicks were guaranteed in da palyoffs. Of course we wud hv 2 face da celtics who arent goin 2 take it easy on da hawks so wat we have 2 do iz go out there nd play as hard as we can as a team no matter who were facing on the court. The Celtics may have home court advantage meaning the hawks wud have 2 play away from home with a record of 11-27??? I noe its tough but u got 2 believe nd noe we cn pull thiz off GO HAWKS ND I HOPE WE CN GET PAST THE 1ST ROUND IN DA PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!!!!

By Dino

April 14, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

When I heard about the trade in February, I was excited. By getting rid of Lorenzen, T-lue (who was iight), Anthony Johnson (who was decent), and Shelden Williams, i thought that the Hawks were trying to cut off the fat, and they did just that. Sure the hawks didn’t get off to a great start with Mike, but once his injury healed and he gelled into the system, they saved themselves from that playoff drought, I look for them to be in the top 5 or 6 next year

By imsointoyou

April 18, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

Mike “Money Ball” Bibby plays with poise and runs that team. Point blank!

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November 13, 2008 7:29 AM | Link to this

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