Hawks

By Blue Diamond

March 5, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

The Hawks were exposed more so last night then any night previously. Lack of bench hurt them big time, Josh Smith bringing the ball up hurt too, Marvin fumbling the ball away most of the time didn’t help. Why did Horford sit out so long? Woodson, you gotta play your ponies Dude!

By Dr. Tobias Funke

March 5, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

Another day, another bad home loss, another fat paycheck for the worst GM/coach combo this league has ever seen. Honestly, they’re more incompetant than Bush & Cheney, and that’s really hard to do.

By Dr. Tobias Funke

March 5, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

Another day, another bad home loss, another fat paycheck for the worst GM/coach combo this league has ever seen. Honestly, they’re more incompetent than Bush & Cheney, and that’s really hard to do.

By Matt from Hotlanta Hawks

March 5, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

With a shout out to Hoopinion, it wasn’t so much the plan to play the post-up game as it was to use JOE JOHNSON as the primary target for every post-up. Even Steve Smith wondered out loud why the Hawks weren’t going to Josh Smith and Al Horford in the post.

By Nate

March 5, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

The Atlanta Spirit look dumber by the day by keeping Woodson around. What an embarrassment…

By ericgrvs

March 5, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

The Hawks stink! They are an undisciplined team with an undisciplined coach. I am totally frustrated watching a team who plays like they have no coach. Wait a minute!!! They don’t have a coach inasmuch as every player (especially Josh Smith and Joe Johnson) does what he wants on the floor.

By roan st

March 5, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this

I guess Woody is to clueless to design an offense that isn’t jj,jj,jj,jj,jj,jj. What the hell? The other guys just stand around half the time and watch joe play one on five. But you can’t blame them because they have been preconditioned over the last few years to think that way. All of these wings and finally a point guard to get them the ball and woodson still prefers jj,jj,jj,jj,jj. This guy has got to go after the season. He has absolutely no imagination for the offensive side of basketball. The hawks will lose to the hornets tonight and will free fall out of the playoffs. ASG get your damn act together and bring in a guy who can coach.

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 5, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

Fire Woody.

By honest_abe

March 5, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

no more watching hawks games or blogging about this god forsaken team for me until woody gets canned.

adios fellas. enjoy the season. heh

By Hoosier

March 5, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

Very good points Sekou, you are hitting on some of root problems of the way Woody has thought, during his failed tenure with the Hawks. Every other coach/scout in the NBA knows the way he thinks, as well.

If Woody could some how be de-programmed, from these essoteric basketball theorms he was instilled with at the formative ages of 2 or 3, he might have been a real coach by now.

But, he has not changed a thing in four years. That is my greatest indictment of him.

By Chris D'

March 5, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this

“(I know they’d beaten the Warriors four straight times, but that was before they were in the late-season throws of a Western Conference playoff chase).”

What?

The Hawks beat the Warriors 11 days before last night. So you are saying on February 23rd the Warriors flipped the switch?

By Chris D'

March 5, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

Spirit Group why you tripping?

Hurry up and get those $250 deposits in for next season so you can be the first in line for Hawks playoffs tickets this season.

Thats funny…

By GT80

March 5, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

Woodson is a joke. Knight is a joke. The ASG is a joke. This is the saddest time to be a fan in the history of the Hawks franchise.

By Bay Area Steve

March 5, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

I live in the Bay Area but grew up in Atlanta. There are many more things the Hawks can learn from the Warrriors- here are but a few:

1) Hire a GM who knows what the hell to do in the job. Look how much the Warriors (the freakin’ Warriors!) have improved since Chris Mullin took over.

2) Hire a Coach who knows what the hell to do in the job. Look how much improvement the team has demonstrated since Mully canned Mike Montgomery and brought back Nellie. Any of you really believe that a change in Coaches wouldn’t help the Hawks?

3) Make some more trades to shake up the roster. The Hawks will never win with this bunch, never. Simply having good athletes doesn’t cut it- you gotta have a team meaning, the sum of the parts must be greater than the whole. Trying to win with this group is the embodiment of insanity, you know, trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results. The only thing the Hawks do well is lose.

Please stop mentioning the words Playoffs and Hawks in the same sentence. Ain’t gonna happen. No way.

By vdunkndunk

March 5, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this

I’ve been a die-hard Hawks fan for a long time, but now that I actually have some expectations for this team, I can hardly bear to watch. I’m so tired off the same old story over and over again - same mistakes, same crushing defeats that shouldn’t have happened. The team is broken right now, especially on offense, and it’s time for a new coach and maybe a radical shake up to the roster as well.

By richbrave

March 5, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this

Last blog, posted a question as to when Areanas will return to action. He’s not sayin’, on T.V. at least. I think everybody’s all ‘aquiver’ about him stepping on the court tonight, but I can’t see it. I think maybe his first real game back is the Hawks on the 17th. Just guessing of course. If the staff and coach have any sense, they’ll work him into spot duty first for three or four games, then turn him loose(17th) if all goes well. Butler’s out. I mean out for awhile, at least April, and maybe the season.

By JohnGTFan

March 5, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

DarkRyder

Yeah, my dumb-ss is going. No idea why. I really thought over a week ago, that ATL would make the playoffs and finish with a 40 - 42 record. I need my head examined. They should be completely embarassed! Giving up 135 points! I know GS leads the league in points, but come on. That “effort” was pathetic!!!! AT HOME no less. No, I have no more illusions. Phoenix is sitting back laughing, licking their chops…going to get probably a top-10 pic AND not have to pay someone 80 million dollars for only showing up against poor defenses, turning the ball over left and right, and not having faith in his teammates. Yes, I like JJ, he is a good player…but the leader of this team HE IS NOT! Atlanta needed to trade him at the deadline…now they need to do it in the offseason. A 2guard can be replaced easily in this league! But the all around game of JSmith cannot. Trade JJ for a high draft pick, or to a team with a true “big” and a 2nd rounder. Give the money paid to him to lock up Smith. Woodson will be gone as will BK. Yes, the ownership is a joke..but even they know when a ship is sinking…this one’s at the bottom of the Atlantic!!! Give Smith, Horford, Bibby, Chillz and Law some help. JJ, Marvin (goofy), Pachulia can all go. Keep everyone else…Salim, Solo, etc…but the above 3, time to say good-bye.

By EJH

March 5, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

I will say the Hawks played as well as they could against the warriors last night. They did score 118 points and that usually translate into a win on most nights. The warriors shot the ball lights out 13 of 21 from 3 point range in a 5 minute span. Even if you scored 2 points for every 3 point basket that they scored, you still would be at a 13 point disadvantage (39 to 26). It was just one of those nights where the warriors was just on. However I do believe that the past three weeks will help the hawks down the strecth as they have played the top teams out west consistently and been in every ball game, that is only going to help them against the weaker teams in the east that they are about to face for the rest of the season. I do believe that Mike Woodson should be let go at the end of season. I think he would be better suited the next time for a head coaching job with a veteran team after about two to three years as an assistant again. Joe Johnson needs to be traded, period. He is the one who stagnates this offense with his one on one isolations, and his unwillingness to give the ball up and get his other teammates involved at crucial times in the game. He turns the ball over way to much. There are a few things the Hawks need to do in the off season to ensure that they are a top five team in the east next season. First, replace Mike Woodson with either Mark Jackson if you want to go young like the mavericks did with Avery Johnson and the Nets did with Byron Scott. If he is not your choice hire Paul Silas a veteran whom the players will respect. Next, as much as I love Marvin Williams, who I think is going to be a star in this league, trade him and Joe Johnson to the Miami Heat for Dwanyne Wade and there first round pick for this year and give them your first round pick for the following year. This allows for a backcourt of Bibby and Wade with J-Smooth at SF, Al Horford at PF and sign free agent Diop at center or try and make a deal for Jermaine O’neal at center. I know this is far fetched but this would rid this team of some dead weight and make this team a contender for a long time.

By cp

March 5, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

Im so sick of Mike Knapp that Im wondering what kind of pictures he has of the ASG for him to still have a job. If Law is available please rest Bibby. The guy is hurt and Im glad he has some heart to be out there playing but he is no use to the team if he can barely move around. I rathe see Law and Salim get some minutes. If Paul has the type of game im fearing he has and Duck does nothign then we wont hear the end of it after tonight.

By Samuel

March 5, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

The Warriors have the personnel perfect for their style. They have guys who can handle the ball, drive the basketball and shoot the rock. You can’t zone them cause they will kill you with the three ball and you can’t pressure them cause they will blow by you.

I say again, when they shoot the way they shot last night, no one will beat them, period.

We basically got two players who can handle the ball and shoot and one is one-legged. I still say that is our tempo, we just need a couple more athletes and Bibby and Acie need to get healthy. Our team got tired last night. Like Shaq said, there’s NBA shape,then there’s Pheonix and Golden State shape.

By BOSLICK

March 5, 2008 7:27 PM | Link to this

I am very sorry————————I’ve been a woody supporter for a long time ———————but this last loss was the icing on the cake—————it is time to fire woody———-I have heard many comments that bothered me ——————but the warriors runnin with us tryin to keep up and no coachin???????———-it was the last straw ———————woody has to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By BATMAN

March 5, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

I DON’T THINK THE PLAYERS CARE ANYMORE.THEY GET PAID WIN OR LOSE.

By atlman

March 5, 2008 7:34 PM | Link to this

Whatever those fools said about trading joe , its not going to happen, theres a reason why they are not a gm. They’d rather trade one of the core players rather than firing the coach. If we have a decent coach we would be atlteast a 4 seed team, we keep our core guys.

By Astro Joe

March 5, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this

Sekou, Paul doesn’t have anywhere near the runners that the Warriors have. I’d love to see the Hawks run tonight. And I’d love to see how well Peja keeps up with our forwards.

Abee, good night for you last night. Isn’t that enough to keep you in a good mood? Stick around man, don’t drop out on us. Misery LOVES company.

By randy

March 5, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this

FIRE WOODY AND BILLY!! TRADE MARVIN FOR A HAM SANDWICH, and hold the mayo please!!

By roan st

March 5, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this

Sekou, great article on CBS sportsline about the marvin vs. paul/deron draft debate. Just a matter of time dude before you hit the bigtime. One morning all of us bloggers will wake up and you will be working at espn.

Hawks fans should cry every time they watch paul or deron play. Much like marvin cryed in Sekou’s article about being compared to those two guys. He needs to realize that being the #2 pick and not living up to expectations, that criticism will come his way. Marvin, if you want us to quit comparing you to those two stud point guards then I suggest taking you’re game to another level. Otherwise, don’t cry about it duck.

By randy

March 5, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

Do you think Hawks could get a second round draft pick for Goofy or Duck or whatever Marvin’s name is. I would seriously settle for a Ham Sandwich if nothing else. We need to start feeding Soloman.

By terrell barron

March 5, 2008 7:56 PM | Link to this

Bolslick, what took you so long? This fool has done nothing for 4 years now. We still dont play as a team, after 4 freakin years, that’s 4 freakin years. Iso to JJ, wait for the double team, and then find Josh in the CORNER, for a 3, with 2 sec. left on the shot-clock. Not a knock against Josh but should’nt he be posting up, or moving WITHOUT THE BALL, opening up lanes for the other guys? And should’nt the offense be ran by the point guard? It just comes down to BAD COACHING. UH OH, it’s time to watch the guys stand around, until Joe gets double teamed. SEE YA!

By coachb

March 5, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this

Coach Woodson you know all the answers at your press conference after the game. Maybe you can pretend you are having a press conference on the timeouts and tell you team what they need to do. Joe Johnson is holding the ball too much. Bibby to Johnson and Johnson to Bibby while the rest of the team watch will not get the job done. Your record speaks for itself. Remember the team ball we played last year when Joe was out. You have other players that’s not named Joe Johnson. Show the other players they are part of the team. Joe should be making the other players better not just getting his points and lose. Only the Hawks will allow a team to go to the same player every time down and not stop the play. Coach did you see the inbound play for a dunk? Your defense just opened up like the red sea. How can you sleep at night?

By HawksSuck

March 5, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this

To quote Dennis Green, “THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!”. Whats that Stink?? Oh its just the Hawks getting flushed down the toilet once again. Go Chris Paul! I predict 40 points, 20 assists tonight. Marvin will have 6 points (all from the foul line and 8 turnovers, I even predict CP3 will block one of Goofy’s shots.

By Fan

March 5, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this

Somebody on this board said that the hawks played their best ball without joe johnson LAST YEAR, I could understand that this year, but last year, are you kidding me the guy was carrying the team on his back, and they were sneaking into the playoffs before joe went down..

By terrell barron

March 5, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this

EJH, Pat Riley would think it was a joke if he heard that we wanted D-Wade for Joe and Goofy. Are you kidding me? We just need a new coach, and then we can go from there. Stop coming up with all these ridiculous trades.

By terrell barron

March 5, 2008 8:14 PM | Link to this

Hey Woody, did you tell the guys to watch out for the alley oops to Chandler. We’ll soon find out. I’ll keep count.

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

Man why are we playing one on one all the freakin time!!!!!

By terrell barron

March 5, 2008 8:18 PM | Link to this

I like the black shoes. Maybe we’ll go on a run wearing them. lol

By Ashamed

March 5, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this

nice pass MARVIN

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this

are the hawks wearing different jerseys they seem more dark, that was not a f’n offensive foul on josh!!!

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this

Excactly terrell, we dont need to trade anybody except maybe zaza, but we definetly need a new coach, and btw id rather see joe go for 20 and 10 assists rather than 40 points and 5 assists…

By lol@mike bibby

March 5, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this

Where’s T-LUE when u need him?

By terrell barron

March 5, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this

Thats 2 alleyoops Woody. Did you forget to tell em? Oh well.

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this

Joe already looks tired and why the hell is chillz the only one trying to get the rebound. And why is josh out of the game, we need offense not cherry pickers, no offense to chillz..

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this

Man,…whats wrong with bibby, good to see joe getting some rest..

By terrell barron

March 5, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this

Thats funny, Bibby was the last starter to get a rest. Thanks Woody!

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this

Man this already looks ugly, hardly even looks like a game, why do we have woody as the coach, he is enforcing any plays…i hate this guy. I think im going to stop watching this game..

By terrell barron

March 5, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this

Joe Johnson was out of gas by halftime last night. Imagine how he feels tonight. This game will probably be out of hand by halftime.

By terrell barron

March 5, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this

O.K. Salim lovers, what in the hell was that? Trying to dribble between 2 players that are right next to each other. When Acie gets back, he more than likely, wont see the court again. At least while Woody’s here.

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this

Woodys a retard, we have a 2 guys capable of being on the all star team, a good point in bibby, a potential ROY, and were losing by 15

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

I take it back, that was a beutiful ipersionation of LEBRON Chillz, nice dunk!!!

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

Id rather have julian wright than marvin on this team.

By smh

March 5, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this

we ALWAYS make mistakes in KEY situations

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 5, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this

In fairness to the Hawks, it’s unfair to expect them to win this game against a much better team from the much better conference. But with all the losing the Hawks have done lately, losing games they should be winning (like last night) it’s understandable that’s not what people want to hear.

Of course, they could at least try to win… if you refuse to guard anybody on the 3 point line you have only yourself to blame when the other team drains 3 after 3.

By smh

March 5, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

Salim thinks he has handles, but doesn’t

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

Joe pass the ball when your doubled OMG, cmon man..

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 5, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this

Also, why is it that when Joe gets doubled and passes out of the double team, the Hawks can’t pass it around quickly enough to find the open shooter? Somehow this doesn’t seem to be a problem for other teams (with better coaches) when their players command double teams.

By woodsonsucks

March 5, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

Chill has given up 11 pts by hisself in the second quarter. I guess all of you guys don’t notice that. They are talking JJ guards the best player. The next person he stops will be the first one.

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 9:03 PM | Link to this

Marvin are you kidding me how the hell are you doing those and 1’s keep it up buddy keep it up!!!

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 5, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

Man New Orleans even plays better music in their arena… when is the last time the Hawks played Gangsta’s Paradise at Philips Arena?

Jannero Pargo is apparently the latest member of the “scrubs who have career performances against the Hawks” club.

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

WTF woody why are you putting joe in for 10 seconds to try to make a miracle shot what a loser!!!

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

WOODSONSUCKS, if your not going to say anything positive dont post on this board…. why are you trying to find negatives in everyone. Give the hawks props on a back to back their only down by 9

By cp

March 5, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this

I thought earlier we should rest Bibby if Law was ready to go but I see Law is chilling with his boy Speedy. If Bibby was not playing tonight we might be down 40. Josh Smith looks like he does not even care and would rather be at home. Childress is a terrible defender. Horford is not getting the ball on the block. Marvin is actually playing well and with some nice d. I hope he gets more agrresive the second half. JJ is still holding onto the ball wayyyy too long when teh double team comes. Mike Knapp is still the coach so whatever. We need some 3’s so we can spread the floor yet Richardson is not getting any pt and Salim was yanked quick. Once again what kind of pictures is Mike Knapp holding in his possesion to still have a job.

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

How did hornets get those 2 points that was a shot clock violation, oooh bibby nice strock..

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this

Man we brought it down to 3 point lead but they went on a run, bibby needs to run the play more, no offense to josh but he should stop dribbling outside of the paint…

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

WOW joe with a technical, just hope that that doesnt cost us the game..

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 5, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this

Say what you want about Joe Johnson, and I give him his fair share of criticism too, but one thing you can’t deny — the guy works harder for his 20 ppg than any other 20 ppg scorer in the league. He has his fair share of dumb things he does. But you can’t blame him entirely for playing at less than peak efficiency when he has to work so hard to get good looks. Every other 20 ppg scorer at least has a coach who believes in setting picks.

By smh

March 5, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this

We dont have what it takes. point blank.

By lmao@salim

March 5, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this

salim with the explosive move..what a talent!!!

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this

can we please put someone on PARGO he is killing us!!!

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

can we please put someone on PARGO he is killing us!!!

By cp

March 5, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this

It is nice to see Marvin aka Duck pull of his invisible man act in the 3rd quarter. When we went on the run and Bibby threw the ball to Josh Smith on the low block I just knew it would be a turnover and what do you know it was. It is a done deal a done dada in this game

By Atl Flavor

March 5, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this

We need DEFENSE!!! Pulll this one out HAWKSSS!!! Man if we can this get this game it would be HUGE!

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this

WHY isnt woody playing josh more, he is young he needs to get more playing time. What is wrong with woodson, josh is a game changer we need this guy!

By Atl Flavor

March 5, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

Bibby needs to heal. which there is no time for that.He is shooting gwell BUT he is getting cleaned on D. Woody is not going to play his bench no matter what. If your not going to play or TRUST these guys, why even play the friggin games? Just forfiet all remaining games. Lose a game but get SOMETHING out it like time for your BENCH.

By Matt

March 5, 2008 9:53 PM | Link to this

So predictable. So g******* predictable.

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 5, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

Seriously, is there ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE THAT DOESN’T SET PICKS???

Sekou, next time you talk to Mike Woodson, could you please ask him this question? Why, when setting picks is a tactic employed by even the crappiest high school team, do the Hawks consider this strategy beneath them? I’m not even asking for advanced, futuristic concepts such as the pick-and-roll. If a big man would just come plant his large body to the left or right of the opponent’s defender guarding the ball, allowing the player with the ball to momentarily lose the defender, that would be a huge step forward for the Hawks’ offense. Seriously, if the Hawks did this once on every possession, I guarantee their field goal percentage would go up.

By cp

March 5, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

Nice to see Duck forget what defense is in the second half. This team has tuned out Mike Knapp. I dont care what they say in interviews because its plain to see they are not listening any more. It feels like we have given up 100 3 pointers the last two games.

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

Hornets have too much weapons and we just dont have enough, how do you stop a linup of chris paul, pargo, peja,wright, and chandler. The hawks dont have enough weapons, and with mike woodson calling the rotations they are even more limited..

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this

This is not fair!! The new net makes the basket look smaller for the hawks this is disgusting why do those stupid jumping people have to do it on the hawks side

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this

This is not fair!! The new net makes the basket look smaller for the hawks this is disgusting why do those stupid jumping people have to do it on the hawks side

By Great Idea

March 5, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this

All I have to say is Fire MUTHEREFFEN MIKE WOODSON!!!!!

and while youre at it, Fire MUTHEREFFEN KNIGHT for not draftin Chris Paul.

Both these clowns should be man enough just to step down after killin this franchise.

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this

Man hornets have a lot of fun guys on their team,…i wish i was their fans…

By terrell barron

March 5, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this

Why are Bibby and Joe still in the game, down by 17?

By s

March 5, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this

I heard a rumor that the ASG is about ready to announce that since the community no longer supports the team to the level they had expected that it is now time to move the franchise to Birmingham. With the proper fan and community support they feel that current management will thrive and bring long term success. Long-term contract extensions to Woodson & Knight are expected soon.

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this

No we couldve cut it to single digits if it werent for that turnover…

By cp

March 5, 2008 10:20 PM | Link to this

Watching Chirs Paul have another great game while Marvin has another non impactful game makes me want to drive to Atlanta now and slap the afro off of BK. I know we have to move on because whats done is done but dammit it hard when you see what Chris Paul is doing and then you see what Duck is doing. Hell even Julian Wright is out playing Duck tonight. FIRE THE BROKE SPIRTI GROUP. BK AND WOODY NOW

By Atl Flavor

March 5, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this

Hawks are SOFTTTT!! When was the last time we had a player foul OUT!!! Get TOUGH DAMN!!!!

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this

yah nice job woody put josh in when their down by 13 with 4 minutes to go..

By terrell barron

March 5, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this

Hey Woody you’d think Al would know how to set a screen without moving by now. You have to be the dumbest coach in history.

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 10:23 PM | Link to this

Man wtf al misse the ally oop and peja hits a three

By Atlanta Chickenhawks Basketball

March 5, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

what a joke

By terrell barron

March 5, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this

Joe and Bibby are still in this freakin game. Just over a minute left, down 14. WOW!

By randy

March 5, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this

Hey I just turned the game on for the final 5 minutes of the game. Hawks down by 15 and the crowd is having fun. Good thing those fans don’t know about our secret weapon: DuckMan. Fly Duck Fly!!

By preston

March 5, 2008 10:27 PM | Link to this

forget about it…………..this season is a wash….noooooooooooo defense.

By Jim Mora

March 5, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this

Playoffs?!!!! What are you talking about, playoffs?!!!!

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this

Can we please get rid of mike woodson, i am about to cry man, why do you torture me asg do you weven care about your fans. Please just get rid of woody, please he doesnt use his bench or anything. Why do we have to depend on other teams losing games. This guy is not a coach, he thinks he is a defensive coach but our guys keep on giving threes. Charlotte just beat the warriors how do they beat them but we dont.

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 5, 2008 10:32 PM | Link to this

Amazingly, Memphis did the Hawks a huge favor and took care of New Jersey tonight — which means the Hawks are still a game out of the playoffs.

FIRE WOODY AND BILLY (I had to change up the order to avoid violating Clyde’s copyright)

By I QUIT

March 5, 2008 10:33 PM | Link to this

Forget it. The season is over. If I wasn’t from the ATL I wouldn’t even bother with this team. MAYBE if they played in the SEC they could do something.

I’m tired of being let down. James Dolan is the only worse owner I can think of in the league. Get it together already. How do the ASG sleep at night? Geez.

By hawksfanfordawin

March 5, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this

LOL atlanta chickenhawks basketball. Hahahah

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 5, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

“The Charlotte Hornets is a really good team but this is a game the Hawks has to win”… good to know that Dominique can channel his inner Emmitt Smith when necessary.

By woodsonsucks

March 5, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

* hawksfanfordawin* I can say whatever I want to say. Just like these other guys like Jo Bling and Matt. All I am doing is pointing out the mistakes of other players like they do. Just like owners who keep a coach that the players obviously don’t want to play for. He keeps taking JS out every four minutes for what. He says he needs Zaza and then plays him 5 minutes. Maybe some of you have never played sports before. A coach can kill the spirit of a player. Woodson has managed to do it to his whole team. Mario West doesn’t even have the same energy. Chill only has energy to get an offensive rebound or a layup. JJ doesn’t make any effort to rotate. When Bibby first got here he started running pick and roll plays for dunks. We haven’t seen another since they beat the Knicks. I will apologize to the fans on here for my comments. I just think it is sad they won’t fire this guy. This is a playoff team. They won’t be with him coaching.

By terrell barron

March 5, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

Luckily, the Nets and Pacers both lost, but we cant keep depending on other teams to lose.

By Fed Up Fan

March 5, 2008 10:36 PM | Link to this

We’re only a half game up on Chicago and Indiana. I’m only waiting for them to pass us so I can officially stop caring about this season.

By terrell barron

March 5, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this

Dominique’s gotta hate talking about CP3. Why does stan keep bringing his name up anyway?

By Nookah

March 5, 2008 10:42 PM | Link to this

Let’s all be honest. Woody has lost this team. Furthermore with that article coming out the other day, how can this franchise have any confidence? The players are certainly playing like it.

The honest truth is we won’t make the playoffs. Secondly, I think we should trade JJ at the end of the season and hopefully get some draft picks for him. The man is simply not a leader. He is overworked and I think he is currently mentally exhausted. He is making bad decisions. He’s a role player he can’t carry a team. That’s the fact!!

The sad thing is that we are officially again in re-building mode. We have to get rid of Woody, BK and the Spirit. We need to get them out of town and fast!!! These guys are perennial losers. They have no clue how to run a winning franchise. Look at the demise of the Thrashers. What’s the common factor here? Yeah you guessed it, The ASG

Can we boycott the rest of the season? After all it’s just not worth the price of a 99c burger.

Thank God we can all soon start singing…..take me out to the ballgame…..the only existing ticket of any value in town!!!!

Oh by the way…with the third pick the Atlanta Falcons pick….Matt Ryan….

Nuff respect!!!!

By mykhalc

March 5, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

WOODSON spiked the kool-aid!!! he looks worse, game after game!!! BUT he has been consistent!!!

By Desmond

March 5, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

I have a SERIOUS question for you guys. Why do we play such little defense? I don’t get it. I mean a church youth league team should at least look like they’re tryin hard after a good bit of games. How is it that a team full of PROFESSIONAL players can continuously play such lousy defense. If it isnt a WIDE OPEN Three its an Easy Lay up. I mean my goodness at least have 1 area on D you make sure you tighten up on. It’s like nobody is out there.

By Nookah

March 5, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

I QUIT, I have to agree with you. See my last post. We won’t make the playoffs and we have no picks next year. Sad indeed.

This franchise is certainly a model of inconsistency!!!

**With the first pick in the 2008 draft, the Miami Heat pick a franchise player who along with Dwayne Wade will soon win another championship…Micheal Beasley. Oh, and the Hawks will sign a prize free agent….Jon Koncak!!!!

It’s time to go Spirit!!!! You’re certainly killing our…..spirit!!!

Hey guys don’t even try to question my fanhood. Only Job endured more than an Atlanta Hawk fan does!!!!

Nuff respect!!

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 5, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

The Hawks’ lack of defense isn’t because of a lack of effort (although they might not be putting in 100% effort either). It’s because of lack of communication. When a guy gets picked another guy has to step up and pick up that man. When a guy is getting double teamed the defense has to rotate when the ball starts getting passed around. When a guy is running a back cut someone has to call it out so that the man gets picked up. The Hawks don’t communicate on defense at all.

If the Falcons draft Matt Ryan over a lineman at #3 I will begin the jihad against the Falcons’ front office. Anyone on the blog is welcome to be one of my mujahideen fighting the holy war against bad Atlanta draft picks.

By gtsting8

March 5, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this

I just want to leave everyone a bit of information. Throught 59 games this year the Hawks are 24-35. Through 59 games last year the Hawks were 22-37. The Hawks are just as bad as ever

By BA

March 5, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

I have been in the minority on these blogs, calling for patience with Woody. And I hate to see anyone lose a job, but this guy has got to go. 32 threes in two games?! Where is our perimeter defense? Duck and Chils got punked tonight on d. And why won’t Joe pass the ball? Why don’t we run pick and rolls like the hornets did all night? We have a point guard now. there’s no more excuses. Billy Knight has got to go too. I can see missing on Paul, but missing on D. williams too? And let’s see, Sheldon, solo, salim, three wasted picks in two years? It’s indisputable, these people aren’t qualified. Oh yeah, and A.c. was a bad pick too, because he’s timid and fragile. Pachulia? Mistake. Claxton? Huge mistake. Philly and the nets are rebuilding and they’re still ahead of us! I’m distgusted. Say it with me ,Clyde: FIRE KNIGHT AND WOODSON!

By DarkRyder

March 5, 2008 10:56 PM | Link to this

JohnGTfan i’ll be there watching a playoff team here in DC. richbrave what’s your plan to watch the Wizards? Sure they got blown out tonight but Gilbert is doing contact practices so we’ll see how the knee holds up.

I like how Eddie Jordan doesn’t try to wear out Antawn during these blowouts and allows youngsters Blatche and Nick Young to get some serious PT. Their games have come on strong. Hey, maybe if I don’t see you at the game perhaps I could see you guys at the ESPNZone down the street after the game on the 17th?

Hopefully Caron will be healed by the beginning of April. No need to rush him while they are still around .500.

Oh, the Hawks? Oh yeah, they’re finished. I prefer to discuss teams that are actually going to the playoffs.

By preston

March 5, 2008 10:57 PM | Link to this

My posts about these guys have gotten less and less b/c there is no use in talking about the same thing over and over again without anything changing…..these games have become nothing more but circus acts for the other teams and their fans…..teams are starting to make adjustments against JJ and they are pretty much shutting him down in the 2nd half……Marvin and Josh Smith have been very inconsistent with their play, and both of them are playing outside of their game……..Woodson still is bewildering with his rotation, and he constantly gets outcoached every night……it seems as if the other teams are always in position to set picks and screens, while our guys are fighting to get open on every play…….never seen teams get 3 point happy like they do against the hawks.

By woodsonsucks

March 5, 2008 10:58 PM | Link to this

Desmond Have u even watched boxing and one boxer was just sharper than the other fighter. The second fighter loses his edge and then he is just trying to survive. This is how the Hawks look. Even when they play well they know Woodson will mess it up after halftime. This team was born to run and Woodson won’t. I think this is why BK wanted to fire him. Does everyone remember before the season when Woodson said they were going to have an uptempo offense. WHAT HAPPENED?

By Nookah

March 5, 2008 10:59 PM | Link to this

Oh the Suns are down by 11 with 3:25 to go. Perhaps they will fire Mike D’Antoni at the end of the season and we could go get him.

Oh, sorry guys I forgot this is the hapless Spirit!! Mike wouldn’t come anyhow!!!

Nuff respect!!

By mykhalc

March 5, 2008 11:02 PM | Link to this

gtsting8, PLEASE…there is NO NEED to put things in perspective nor show us any realities!!! pls pass the WOODSON kool-aid/cyanide!!!

By Wow

March 5, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this

Sekou, You seriously never heard of CJ Watson? Being a Vol that hurts…Another glorious game tonight by the way.

By Nookah

March 5, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this

Najeh Davenpoop I take that back….I have to agree with you too, one of the Longs has to be the right pick for this franchise. I stand corrected!!!

Nuff respect!!

By mykhalc

March 5, 2008 11:21 PM | Link to this

Sekou, anymore news of WOODSON bein’ fired??? or to say it more positively, anymore news of LDREW takin’ over as HC???

By dakid

March 5, 2008 11:45 PM | Link to this

NAJEH LM@O His inner Emmit. People are calling for Josh to play more minutes, but if you were at game last night, he and The idiot(Woodson) kinda are at odds. Probably cause the idiot can’t call any set plays that work. The 2008 Sterling’s are ruining my child hood team. Please give the team to Belkin, please. Joe does work harder than any 20 point scorer in the league but alot of that is his fault. Why won’t he attack the basket??? Marvin is the worse draft pick in our history(and that’s saying alot). He just simply wasn’t needed. In the previous draft we had picked up to young wings. And we draft another one. The team as currently constructed, with Joe and Josh as the focal points will never win a title. One of them has to get traded. We are cursed. Think about it. Nique even vouched for Marvin, said he was once every 10 year talent.

By new jersey faithful

March 6, 2008 12:01 AM | Link to this

This game killed me! Good game for a while, until the Hornets just ran away with it in the 4th! Did the Hornets even miss a freaking 3 pointer???? Those guys can flat out shoot!! I dont think JJ can pass out of a double team to well, or pass to the open guy for that much. I think the game turned when JS missed an open shot, then as usual, turned the ball over on the next possesion down low. Killed any momentum they had! So they have lost three in a row, now its time to bust off 5 wins in a row…..only to lose the next 3 in a row and so forth and so on………

By new jersey faithful

March 6, 2008 12:17 AM | Link to this

DarkRyder are you serious??? The Hawks are one game out with like 25 to play!!! The 6,7,8 spots are up for grabs to about 7 teams!! Its anybodys game out there!! Not that anyone of those 5-8 seeds even have a chance to get to the finals, let alone win the trophy, even your precious Wizards!

By JOHNNY

March 6, 2008 12:47 AM | Link to this

There is an excuse for gegtting beatdown inside in the paint when we are so outsided at the 4 and 5

but with a taem this athletic and long we should NEVER EVER FRICKIN NEVEEERRRRRR EEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Get beatdown at the 3point line like that. Just inexcusable. Lack of effort.

Fu$kin pathetic.

By ray

March 6, 2008 1:35 AM | Link to this

I wonder if we’ll match the number of wins from last year.

MannyT, I’d admire your optimism if I was in the mood. But I’m not. But I can promise I won’t make fun of you when we don’t make the playoffs. I too, once thought as you do. Tell you what I’m looking forward to: the “release” of Knight and Woodson. However, if that doesn’t happen…there’s no point in returning to this blog or paying attention to this franchise. The ultimate victory would be getting the ASG out of here, but hey…it’s hard to replace/displace owners.

By ray

March 6, 2008 1:49 AM | Link to this

Where’s that moron from the end of the last blog? You know, the guy who wanted to “tell us all about Bibby.” Sounds like a damn stalker who’s unhappy because his target has moved to the other coast. Whatever…

Oh yeah…I forgot to say this: We should’ve drafted Chris Paul. Najeh, that was for your personal gratification, based on your prediction from the last blog. I didn’t want you to be disappointed…lol…

Oh yeah. When the coach and gm are fired (I have to have something to hope for here people, the playoffs aren’t in the picture as far as I’m concerned)…whatever will Clyde do for himself? He’ll be out of business and won’t have a reason to post….so sad…

By Enough

March 6, 2008 2:31 AM | Link to this

Seems like the honorable thing for Woodson to do is resign. Though a lot of his problems are due to BK’s assembly of this team. Woody has failed to develope his bench players and his rotation is just too inconsistent for guys to know their roles. He puts odd combinations out there which creats total stagnation on offense. I think Josh and Harford are just plain tired, no bench help what so ever and playing out of position has caught up with them in the long haul. Salim could be a great gun in a more defined role and Solo just lacks quality playing time.But considering the situation Woodson came into, I think he at least deserves the chance to get this version of the Hawks to the Playoffs. If Marvin was what he was projected to have been by now, the Hawks would be major players in the East. Joe is too passive, Josh needs to work on his jumper during the offseason, Chills needs to be on the floor more than Marvin always and a move to get Jermaine Oneal should be made in the off season. The guy is always in Atlanta during the offseason so I know he would be interested in a trade. You could package a draft pick, Marvin, ZaZa and Salim. Then you would have Bibby, Johnson, Smith, Harford and Oneal. With Chills, Law, West and Solo coming off the bench and be a real contender in the East. Not bragging but I posted the move for Bibby months ago and had it happend sooner, the Hawks would be at least at 30 wins. If the Spirit is reading, I am available for the soon to be vacated GM position. I couldn’t do worse, though I give much credit to BK for the two Josh’s and Harford draft picks.

By cee

March 6, 2008 3:00 AM | Link to this

MAN THIS IS UGLY FIRST THE OWNERS CALL THE FANS STUPID NOW WE SEE WHAT WE COULD OF HAD AT PONIT GAURD BURN US BUT HEY LIKE MIKE GEARING JR SAID AT LEAST WE HAVE AL HORFORD AND SCIE LAW ….. WE NEED A NEW COACH I DONT KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE HAVE TO SAY IT IN THESE POST I THINK THE ONLY WAY THEY WILL FEEL US IS IF WE DONT ATTEND ANY HOME GAMES THAT WILL MAKE THEM PUT A GOOD PRODUCT ON THE FLOOR BOO THEM WHEN THEY STINK WE DID THE FALCONS AND THEY MADE CHANGES SO WE SHOUD DO THE HAWKS

By JohnGTFan

March 6, 2008 7:02 AM | Link to this

The Hawks are NOT a playoff team. I have thought for a long time that if they fire Woodson that ATL would make it to the playoffs. I was wrong. When was the last true “defensive effort” they played…collectively? Anyone? Bueller? Frye? LOL Exactly!! The coach is responsible for so many things…but millionaires being paid to play a game…how about a little pride.

Don’t know who said it…but someone said JJ works harder than anyone…on offense maybe…and he doesn’t exactly do well under any type of pressure (turnovers). Yeah, I know he’s considered a “core” player in ATL (doesn’t take much). But he would have the best trade value. Again, a 2-guard is easy to replace in this league. Versatility, ability to stretch the floor, DEFENSE, high motor all in one player (josh smith) is not. Yes, Smith turns the ball over like JJ, but I’d take Smith’s overall game any day of the week over JJ. ANYDAY!

Dark Ryder Yeah, I’ll probably be hanging out around the ESPN Zone a couple hours before the game in DC, then maybe after.

By JohnGTFan

March 6, 2008 7:05 AM | Link to this

Enough

You have to be able to spell our 1st round picks name correctly before you can apply for the GM…its HORFORD…not Harford. Just messing with ya a bit…and hey, you’ll get my vote simply because I think you actually WOULD do something to try and improve the team.

By richbrave

March 6, 2008 7:13 AM | Link to this

DARKRYDER:

Not planning a trip to D.C.,too many health issues. Thank goodness for Comcast Sportsnet. Get a “DR” sign and hold it up so I’ll know its you.

Have empathy for Hawks fans. They deserve a winner.

By smartguy

March 6, 2008 7:53 AM | Link to this

Dear ASG, Gearons, Levenson, etc.:

Can you tell us why Mike Woodson is a good head coach for the Atlanta Hawks? I can’t find a single reason, nor can most of the bloggers/fans. Please, ASG, just give me one reason that Mike Woodson should still be our HC.

You don’t care about winning games on the road.

You don’t care about beating good teams, even at home.

You don’t care about improving our record from year to year.

YOU JUST DON’T CARE. why should we?

By Dap

March 6, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

The Hawks have lost all direction. They have good players with a good point guard, yet they are not improving. They are getting worse.

By Bertie

March 6, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this

The Hawks need to win at least 3 of the next 4 games, counting the Heat replay, if they want to stay in the playoff race. The 76ers went out west and won 2 out of 3. We’ll see were the team stands after the Orlando game.

By J. Mora III

March 6, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

The asinine comparisons between Mike Woodson and Greg Knapp REALLY need to stop … unless, of course, Woodson is being forced to work with players who are - how shall I put this delicately? - “intellectually challenged”.

By roan st

March 6, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

Did anyone else check out Sekou’s article on cbssportsline.com ? Go to cbssportsline.com click on NBA and then click on the picture of marvin and paul that says 05 o’clock shadow.

By Peter

March 6, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

Marvin Williams is NOT a starter, he also doesn’t have an NBA bangers body.

Mike Bibby is a true Grit player, but why do the Hawks always pick up guys that are hurt?

Speedy Claxton has been a Huge waste of money, T lue had a better run in Atlanta, and I would have rather seen him here than Speedy!

Not having a ture center has been horrible, and tell me why is ZaZa on this team?

By Astro Joe

March 6, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

Question for Doc, Ray, mykhalc & other regulars, if the ASG allow the contracts of BK and Woody to expire, is that really firing them? In my opinion, no. Firing is an action. Not renewing a contract is really inaction. I say this because I am astounded by this ownership’s lack of action over the past few years. And I’m not convinced they will take action prior to 6/30.

By fudd21

March 6, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

JohnGTFan Josh stretches the floor??? I think that is a bit of a stretch.

It’s really sad to watch the games and see the body/facial expressions of our players. Someone mentioned that a coach can zap the spirit of a player and I truly believe that is what has happened to us. No fire, no emotion, too much standing around and watching. It’s sad because we actually have a team that is talented enough to make the playoffs.

Some of you suggested that we trade JJ. One of you even said for Diop and a 2nd rounder. Seriously yall, if we trade JJ teams will play a zone against us and have all 5 players in the paint. Who would bring them out of that zone, Marvin, Chillz, Smoove? Marvin has range to 18 feet, but Chillz and Josh cant shoot a lick. I think most of us could leave work, take our coat off, unloosen the tie and shoot 24% from 3 like smoove.

The biggest problem is coaching and having the team play inspired basketball. I personally beleive we still need another shooter that actually plays (not Salim and JRich). I would have loved to bring Mike Miller here or someone along those lines that can shoot the 3 and also put the ball on the floor.

We still have a shot at the playoffs and we have some games against NY, Memphis and Philly still left. If they wake up and realize that they still may get in. GO HAWKS!!

By fudd21

March 6, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

Astro Joe I agree with you but whatever the case as long as they’re gone I think everyone will be happier. But then again the question will be who do we or who can we get. I think a coach and GM will think long and hard before coming to this mess.

By I.MUS WRITE

March 6, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

JohnGtFan……Your 6:58Pm Post -I’ll toast to that. JJ, Marvin and ZAZA can all leave town as far as Im concerned…… I would shopp those guyz in the summer-dont know about JJ this organization seems to love the dude. I dont think we can be a good team in this league with JJ leading us and taking the majority of the shots …….. He is a 2nd or 3rd option on a good team -but he’s the man here ???? NDavenpoop- Noticed the same thang about JJ every time he gets doubled we cant swing the ball fast enough to get an open shot

I’ve been following J Pargo since he came in the league -what he did last night was no suprise -dude is betta than anything we’ve had in a long time excluding Bibby. Its alomost like losing is okay now like its a part of our chemical makeup. WOAH!!!!!! As im watchn the Hawks Post game show ….Nique was talking about J.Rich lightn the Warriors up for 42 and he says

” Hopefully on friday he wont be as effective against us, I think he shot his whadd in this game”

Come on yall shot his whadd aient right-clean it up nique there are yungnz watching, this is rated PG My god…… I can hear it now mommy whats a whadd???

By Luis Malave

March 6, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

The bottom line is: 1- Turnovers; these players are incapable of taking care of the ball. 2- No defense intensity. If you want to run, it all starts with defense. 3- Mental lapse; occasionally Josh Smith, who is a great talent and a great workhorse, thinks he needs to go coast to coast and all he does is create another turnover. 4- It looks like the hawks have no set plays. I wonder what they do during practice. That is all on the coach. Hey coach! I have a play for you Offensive 1-2-2: Spread out the court, Bibby on one side, Salim on the other, then Rich on one corner and chillz at the other. Let JJ drive one on one with only one defender and he should be able to either score or pick up the foul. I would like to see JJ try to get to the line more often. Specially when he’s having an off-shooting night. 5- Josh Smith either driving to the basket or on the right block, but not shooting mid-range shots, he has not developed that part of his game yet. 6- Replace Woody with Larry Drew until we find a real HC during the off-season.(Rick Carlise, Van Gundy or Larry Brown)

By dakid

March 6, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Why when people describe Josh game, they say ability to stretch the defense. I haven’t seen that in his game at all. It’s pretty easy to find 3’s also. Josh Howard was a late first round pick. But Josh isn’t a 3 yet. We passed on to good 3’s for Chills. Alot of people want to get rid of Joe, but where would we replace that scoring and how?? Trade him for a big because that’s what we need, has to be a max player also cause salary’s have to match up. So where would the perimeter offense come from??? We are up against the cap anyway. And we still have to re-sign both Josh’s. All this shows is that our GM, Coach, Ownership played us badly. When you draft in Top 10 you can’t miss on those pieces. It’s more to basketball than running and jumping. This isn’t track and field.

Moving forward here is my idea, dump the Idiot and Knight. Trade Joe Pacers for Jeff Foster, Ike Diogu,Kareem Rush. Sign J.R. Smith for starting 2. Re-sign Josh Smith, hopefully work at a sign and trade for Chills. Bibby/Law IV, Smith/Rush, Josh/Marvin, Big Al/Diogu, Foster/ZaZa. Marvin can play Chills role, Foster for rebounding and d. And it fits with our money, plus expiring deals which are like gold in the NBA

By I.MUS WRITE

March 6, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

“Marvin is a once every 10 year player” DAKID-Come on buddy surely you dont believe this. Jus because nique said it does’nt make it so. Marvin flat out sux. Once in 10 yearz………. This is coming from a guy who said “shot his whadd” on tv. I dont know who itz gonna be but sum one has to be traded this summer -sumone or a combination of players.

By fudd21

March 6, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Imus. I totally agree with you on someone has to go. Cause right now it just isnt working. I just hope this time we build a complete team with players at all positions instead of of a team with with six 6’8 guys.

By doc

March 6, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

aj, last year i suggested a scenario for the perfect storm on draft day. we dodged that bullet.

there is a new one brewing of greater consequence i am sure the BASG is beginning to look at:

no playoff “run”

no draft choices in the 2008 draft

no gm or head coach for either the hawks or the thrashers

no money to sign the two most potent weapons they have on an under achieving team in chills and smith.

could it be any better then that! or is there any way out.

By Not renewing season tickets

March 6, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

fire woody and billy.

By DarkRyder

March 6, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

Astro Joe you are right about the ASG’s desire to let the contracts ride out so they save face. I believe that was why they never allowed BK to fire Woodson. They will both be gone after June and then what? Worse yet, no GM in his right mind would want to come here knowing that he may not even have the final say so as to who he wants as a coach.

Also, there’s a realisitc possiblity that both Joshes decide to head for greener pastures due to the indecisions of the front office.

Might both JJ and Mike Bibby ask for a trade out of town if there’s no real direction to this franchise? They are both veterans who obviously want to win and if they feel that it won’t happen in Atlanta then who’s to say that they will just say “Screw this” and go to where they can be the missing puzzle elsewhere.

That is why I believe the ASG is keeping Marvin around knowing that by September of this year he and Horford may be the only ones here playing.

new jersey faithful you’ll come to reality soon enough and realize that while the Hawks do have the talent of a playoff team they lack the mentality to actually get the job done. Forget catching Philadelphia or hoping that the Nets will slip that far. Atlanta doesn’t know how to win consistently and that is why they will fall short.

richbrave i’ll be the one wearing a “Fire Billy and Woody” sign. Can you do me a favor though? Could you let me know at what point in the game Steve Buckhantz yells “DAGGER” or “BACKBREAKER” when the Wizards go up by 20? Thanks!

By richbrave

March 6, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

DARKRYDER:

You got it dude.

By Jo Bling

March 6, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

I.MUS WRITE - I disagree that we can’t be a good team with Joe Johnson leading us. He proved last year that he’s fully capable of leading this team - even carrying it on his back. This year has been an enigma. Maybe you are right and what we are seeing now is the real Joe, but after showing us what he is capable of last year, I’ve gotta believe it’s still there - somewhere. He just seems really unhappy and unmotivated. Not sure why with all that’s at stake this season. This team has the talent to be winners. They need to suck it up, quit moping around and get down to business.

By JohnGTFan

March 6, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

The only shot this team has is in its -ss! No shot at playoffs.

Astro you couldn’t be more right…it’s not firing. Just saying goodbye. But if it happens, that’s good enough for me. Put Nique in as GM. I really believe he could do a great job.

As far as teams playing zones if ATL traded JJ…THEY PLAY ZONES NOW! And it’s not like there wouldn’t be another 2-guard in the game that isn’t currently on the roster..you would pick one up by trading, or finding a good one in the draft, plus acquiring a true big. Trade GOOFY for WHATEVER you can get…could care a less what they do with ZaZa as long as he isn’t in a Hawks uniform. But all for not. The roster we look at now is pretty much what it will look like next year.

Fudd21

Yes, I stand corrected…he doesn’t stretch the floor like I said. But he offers a heck of a lot more than JJ does. It has to be about more than offense (which JJ only displays versus weak defensive teams). Where are those games against Boston, Detroit, SAS, etc? I realize he needs help…but there are sure a lot of those 4-17 from the floor nights.

By mykhalc

March 6, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

JOE, definitely agree that the BASG will handle things with inaction. remember back to my post i pointed you to a couple weeks back, where i said i think they was a ‘handshake’ by WOODSON and BK that guaranteed WOODSON would not be ‘fired’ from his 1st HC job. well maybe the handshake was actually between WOODSON and the BASG. but whatever the reason, i totally think it will happen as you stated in your post!!!

By Astro Joe

March 6, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

Doc, don’t forget that perfect storm already blew Hossa out of town. If you choose to believe him, he left because he didn’t have confidence that the Thrashers could build a winner, if they did re-sign him to a fair contract. Basically, we was afraid of being JJ.

Here’s the other question, draft night will be within a week of BK’s contract expiring. Let’s say Seattle chooses not to use the San Antonio pick they acquired and wants to trade that pick for one of our players (oh, let’s say Marvin & Zaza for Damien, Petro and the pick), who will answer that phone call? BK? Gearon? No one? And when free agency starts 7/1, who will be there to match any offer sheet signed by Josh or Josh? Bernie Mullin? Pete Babcock? Lenny Wilkins?

I need one of those cricket sound effects right about now, to represent what will be heard at Hawks offices during the months of June & July.

By Ken Strickland

March 6, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

If you noticed in the gm against the Warriors, the guard with the ball would isolate against Bibby and blow by him. They spreaded the floor and used Bibby for layup drills. When we started collasping to cover the basket, they showered us with 3pt shots. Unless you didn’t notice, New Orleans did the same thing last night. Everyone but Woodson knows Bibby can’t defend or beat anyone off the dribble with his foot problems. He’s also starting to have increased turnovers due to his lack of mobility.

Woodson is running certain players into the ground because of his stubborness and stupidity. Have you noticed how JSmith and Horford are starting to push the ball more since Bibby’s most recent problems? Once these 2 get across halfcourt their ballhandling becomes a liabiltty and the TO’s start. Bibby can’t stop anyone and his immobility prevents him from rotating and/or providing much needed DEF help.

Making mistakes and/or incorrect decisions is to a part of life. However, making the same mistakes and incorrect decisions over and over again denotes serious problems. We can all have a say or an opinion about BK’s draft selections and FA signings. But, what we are witnessing night in and nignt out by the Hawks is on the Spirit Group. They’ve decided to insure our present situation by preventing BK from making any further corrections, upgrades or decisions.

HOW IN HELL CAN ANYONE CONSIDER THEMSELVES COMPETENT ENOUGH TO RUN A NBA FRANCHISE IF THEY CAN’T SEE WOODSON IS UNABLE TO COACH THIS TEAM. How can we run an uptempo OFF with our PG on one leg? Teams are now leaving Bibby and doubling JJ. JJ, in response, has started going one on one again. Horford and Smith’s response has been to start pushing the ball themselves instead of giving it to Bibby, like before. As a team, we’re now as lost and as ineffective as Woodson and the Spirit Group have been all season. IT’S A DAMN SHAME, BECAUSE I REALLY LIKE THE OVERALL TALENT WE’VE ACCUMULATED ON THIS TEAM.

By koolaidkid916

March 6, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

I posted this yesterday on the sure shot board, but I figured I’d post it again since I don’t think many of you read it. :)

Okay… I’m going to post about Bibby for you guys because I’m going to speak some truths that you all will eventually figure out on your after watching him game after game.

First, let me tell you where me and my opinions/observations are coming from. I’m 28 years years old, I live, was born and raised, in Sacramento, CA, and I follow the Kings almost as much as all of you guys do on here.. so much to the point that I’ve been reading up on how Bibby’s been doing through these posts since he moved, just like I did when Chris Webber left us, and Peja, and Bobby Jackson, etc. etc…

With that said, hopefully some of you might unfortunately take me as a somewhat viable resource for the information that I’m about to share with you regarding Bibby (aka.. Bibbiliscious, The Bibbinator, Mr. Clutch..), since I’ve only been watching his every move since he arrived in Sacramento some 8 years ago.

Ok, so I’m going to try and make it brief and painless, and if any of you have any responses or questions for me, I’ll try my hardest to make time to answer them.

Since our Kings were faced up in the Western Conference Finals against the Lakers in 2002 where Bibby was just absolutely amazing, he has had a VERY distinct REPETITIVE pattern about his play every year thereafter. And it’s what you’re all seeing right now. Described as follows:

1) Bibby WILL always play hurt. I give him credit for that. But unfortunately, it’s always something that’s hurting him. If it’s not his ankle, it’s his thumb, if it’s not his thumb, it’s his wrist, if it’s not his wrist, it’s his HEEL. Every year he’s played, but he’s played hurt. I’ve honestly never seem him in the past 6 years go ONE FREAKING YEAR COMPLETELY HEALTHY!!! NO JOKE!!!

2) Now because I’ve never seen him play an entire season completely healthy, I can’t say if my next comment about him is related to this or not but… “Bibby is so damn inconsistent” that you all will find yourselves pulling your hair out wondering where that Bibby from five games ago went. Which gets me to my next revelation for ya’all.

3) Bibby is the “Bibby” that you will all come to love only like once out of every 5 or so games. Sometimes if you’re lukcy, it’ll be 1 out of every 3, but mostly 1 out of 5. So basically that’s good news for you Hawks fans, because I think if I’ve been following correctly… Bibby’s DUE for his TYPICAL “Good Game”. Just remember that when you see him next have a good game, that you better savor it, cause you know FOR A FACT that it’s gonna be a couple more games till you see that again.

4) DEFENSE:…. Bibby HAS NEVER PLAYED DEFENSE. Broken Heel, broken finger, broken whatever… it’s just not genetically embeded within him. I’m not joking, and I’m not hating on tha man. I own a Bibby jersey and have worn it proudly, but believe me when I say this. Bibby = NO DEFENSE. Sorry, just the way it is. Believe it or not right now… but learn to accept it.

5) Vocal Leader!? …. NOPE!! Not Bibby either. Bibby leads by example…. but there was really never much example to lead by. Look up the Kings stats for the past 4 years and tell me what you see regarding assists. I’ll save you the time by telling you what you’ll find. Our BIGS have always had more assist’s than Bibby because that’s the type of offense that he thrives in. High post, pick’n’roll/pop center to point type of stuff. It’s not a bad offense, Rick Adleman lives and dies by it and the Rocket’s are doing just fine under that system currently, but unfortunately, that’s all Bibby’s really known in the NBA since Rick Adleman basically raised the kid under that system. With that said, I think that his TRUE point skills have yet to be tested or shown. This could be a good thing for you Hawks fans. Because……

6) Bibby is one hell of a SMART player. The dudes basketball IQ is off the charts, no joke. I can guarantee that he already knows your teams system (or lack thereof), and probably knows of ways to improve it, but just might not ever really be vocal enough to say anything. Again, maybe with a new team, he can grow out of these things. I mean… Steve Nash didn’t even become Steve Nash until he hit his thirties right?

7) TEAM DIME!! Now I’m not sure if he’s gonna pay to have his THUG CREW move to Atlanta with thim, but TEAM DIME may soon be roaming your local clubs and bars groping your wives, sisters and girlfriends. Woo-Hoo. It’s pretty gay actually when you see all 50 of them roaming the streets following behind Bibby waiting for him to buy them whatever they want. I was at a club once here in Sacramento and Team Dime rolls thru right… well Bibby is so damn quiet even off the court that he sends a couple of his “boys” over to ask her if she wants to hang out with him at his place after words. I mean, c’mon man… how damn shy are you… with your 18 kids.

Conclusion… I’m glad that that fool is gone cause Beno Udrih is a REAL POINT GUARD, not a Shooting Guard trying to be a POINT, and nothing feels better then too see your home team being ran by a Real PG after seeing it TRY TO BE RAN number a #2 being told he was a #1 his whole life, for 8 DAMN YEARS. So take what I say for whatever you want, but just know that I’m a fan of the Kings like you guys are a Fan of the Hawks. I DVR every game like you guys do, and I pause it when I need to get something to drink or go to the restroom, just so that I don’t miss a minute of the game, since I like to analyze every play, just like you all do too.

p.s. Some of you should’ve been reading our local forum’s on SACBEE.COM after Bibby left us. You would’ve seen how Happy the majority of us were if you did. Hope I helped! :)

By JerryWest

March 6, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

KoolAidKid916, Thanks for posting here. Follow your informative post at the forum: http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=294720&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#294720

That’s the best forum to follow Hawks and Bibby.

I just opened a thread with your post.

By dakid

March 6, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

Beno isn’t a real point guard. I’m sorry. Maybe Bibby isn’t one, but Beno sure isn’t one. I like his game, but not a pure point. You guys run your offense through Artest, so really no need for a true point, but he needs to be able to shoot, and Beno can. And you know why Beno got ran off the Spurs for Vaughn??? He didn’t play any d. None. And your point about his crew, have you seen your owner’s??? They own the Palm, a place where they allow Dennis Rodman has a suite that he rents. LOL

By koolaidkid916

March 6, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Beno’s been scoring 20+ points per game since Bibby’s left (when he can get the ball out of Artest’s hands that is), and getting close to an average of 10 assists per game, and barely a turnover per game as well. And believe me when I tell you this… Beno’s ‘D’, which is overshadowed because Artest is a maniac on D so anybody playing next to him is considered average, but his D compared to Bibby’s, is like Night & Day. At least Beno is always attempting to stay in front of his guy, something Bibby has never done, SORE HEAL OR NOT!

Again, I’m not trying to Bag or say our PG’s better than yours, cause quite frankly both of our teams suck. All I’m trying to say is that you guy’s are all praising Bibby like he’s the PG you’ve all been waiting for when in reality, he more like the #2 Guard that you’ve all been waiting for. Only problem is, he’s not playing the #2. Think about it! Back in the days of the Fab Five for the Kings when Bibby became “BIBBY”. The Team was Chris Webber, Vlade Divac, Mike Bibby, Doug Christie & Peja… it was mostly Doug Christie who brought the ball up and then gave it to Vlade or CWebb at the high post which would then turn into a pick n pop/roll with bibby. Bibby is best as a guard coming off screens for a quick shot, always has been and always will be. And bibby has and NEVER will play D. It’s not in his blood man. Dont’ get me wrong, I love the guy, all of us in Sacramento do and will support him where ever he goes, but he’s just not the hype of what his name has become.

Again, you all will see this overtime. You’re already seeing it right now, but you don’t know it, cause you think it’s his heel that causing it.

By richbrave

March 6, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

doc/ray:

Bradley has a column up which poses the question as to whom should be fired, GM or Coach. My upshot in return was “whom do we see about firing the REAL problom, the ASG.”

Wow, the Hawks have some great players, but I’m tired. And if I’m tired of trying to figure out the mess that is this franchise, you guys must be exhausted. There’s just nothing left to say until something changes for the better.

By Najeh Davenpoop

March 6, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

koolaidkid:

If everything you say is true, I’m still happy with the Bibby acquisition. Why? Because we only gave up Lue, AJ, Shelden and Lorenzen to get him. For all his flaws, Bibby is still a huge step up from Lue and AJ. I don’t think anyone’s confusing him with Chris Paul or Deron Williams, but adding him is easily enough to make this team a playoff team on paper.

Of course, Mike Woodson doesn’t reside on that same paper.

By Jo Bling

March 6, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

I.MUS WRITE - I disagree that we can’t be a good team with Joe Johnson leading us. He proved last year that he’s fully capable of leading this team - even carrying it on his back. This year has been an enigma. Maybe you are right and what we are seeing now is the real Joe, but after showing us what he is capable of last year, I’ve gotta believe it’s still there - somewhere. He just seems really unhappy and unmotivated. Not sure why with all that’s at stake this season. This team has the talent to be winners. They need to suck it up, quit moping around and get down to business.

By koolaidkid916

March 6, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

I would just love to see Bibby being used more as a #2 and coming off screens. The guy is a pure shooter and that is where he will shine. Yes, he can pass the ball and get some assists, but he’s just lights out coming out of a pick’n’pop or pick’n’roll type of situation. Also, the other four on the floor are going to have to pick up his slack on D. Other than that, I’m following the Hawks as my East Coast Team now cause you guys have got Bibby. I just want to see him do well I think cause it’s been years since we here in sac have got to see some consistent production out of him. Hopefully your coach knows how to utilize him the best because if that’s not the case, then he’s gonna be like he was when he was here. 1 game ON, 3-5 games OFF.

By I.MUS WRITE

March 6, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

Preciate the info kool aid. I personnally dont care about bibby’s posse or how many children he’s fathered. I care about how he plays the game. Im fine with the trade-simple addition by subtraction. Bibby is the best point we’ve had since Mookie left town. Vocality- He looks like a leader to me constantly talking and getting guyz in position for easy looks,jawn with the ref’s and opposing players.

With all that said bibby is the solid point we needed and we got him for basicly a bag of skittles

This is Atlanta not Sac twn koolAid, 50 dudes moving through the club can be seen on any given weekend. Have you eva heard of BMF- those guyz were reason for concern in and out of the club. BMF probly makes Team dime look like sum girl scouts.

All the extra about the guy is’nt a concern -we just need him healthy and playn good ball….. Bibby playing good on one leg tells me all I need to know about him.

Jo Bling -we can agree to disagree-Jj and his jumpers are wearing thin with me - Loss after Loss -we just dont have cerebral players or a competent coach, not to mention the penny pinching ASG. We are standing in quick sand with no rope

By MannyT

March 6, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

To our SacTown KoolAid friend…True point or not true point…irrelevant!

Everyone has their way of thinking about basketball. Personally, I could care less about what you do offensively as long as you do it well and the coach can take advantage of your strengths…pausing for Woody jokes here.

You can be a small shooting guard or a point forward dishing assists…just have a coach to make it work.

Defensively, hoops is one of the few sports where you have to quickly and specifically trip the switch from offense to defense. On defense, I need you to have a role. Ok, Bibby is a weak defender, but we can live with some of that because JJ guards the best offensive perimeter option in crunch time.

We need a different type of defense. Maybe it’s a zone, or a press with JSmith playing goalie. I doubt it is simple man to man because most of our guys except JJ, get moved/pushed/bumped too easily.

Do I expect it to change soon? Nope. I just hope to see something different next season.

By MannyT

March 6, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Astro Joe Inaction is an active choice. The same way a kid may choose not to get out of bed and go to school. The kid is also choosing to miss all of the activities at school.

As the ASG chooses not to do things, but let them play out via inaction, certain things happen. For exapmle, with the Joshes and their restricted free agency, the ownership is choosing to play Danny Ferry’s Andersen Varejao plan. They will wait and either match or sign & trade.

With BK and Woody, I think they will wait until the end of the season then act. While I am not sure what the action will be, it won’t happen until there are no games left to play. The underlying who will get something done in June if BK & Woody are let go in May probably depends on the status of folks rarely discussed here like assistant GMs. They along with the owners may create a basic plan to deal with roles that are vacant if an opportunity arises.

Even if they decide to wing it w/o help until new people are hired, then that is their operating plan.

A sucky plan is still a plan. By now you should be familiar with this concept as a local fan. Insert Woody, Waddell or Petrino coaching joke here.

By Astro Joe

March 6, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

MannyT, I guess I am stupid enough to be looking for signs that their days of being passive owners are over. Simply letting the contracts expire does not provide the same evidence of “we’re active owners dedeicated to bringing you a winner” as firing one or the other. It feels more like “well now we have to do something”. I’d like to get the sense that if ever they find themselves with an ineffective GM and/or head coach, that they won’t simply wait for those contracts to expire, but that they will actively manage the situation (as they did with Hartley).

By cp

March 6, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

If you have to make up some silly name just so you can disagree with someone then you have lost any credibility. Add in the fact that you cant see why I compare Woodson and Knapp then I really know you did not watch the Falcons when Knapp was the offensive coordinator. Woodson and Knapp are alike in many ways. Both have playbooks that probably consist of 2 pages. Both dont make any adjustments. While the other team sees what we are doing they make adjustments to gain the upper hand. Woodson nor Knapp ever and I mean never made adjustments. They both call the same predictable plays. I remember watching games and knew what play the Falcons were going to run before they ran it because he was just that predictable. Everyone in the world knows Woodson is going to call an iso to Joe. Hell everyone on this board has been complaining about this predictable play all year. When something is working they both go away from that. I remember games where Knapp actually let Vick pass and he looked good then the next week he would go away with that and they would lose. Woodson will every once in a while wake up from his slumber and realize we need to run and spread the floor. Once he realized what he was doing he would go back to slowing up the tempo and go iso iso iso iso to Joe. So yea they are similar in their coaching styles. If the Hawks lose to the Bobcats then Woodson needs to be escorted from the premises and have a cab called for him. The Bobcats looked like they were in a playoff hunt the way they played against the Warriors while we look like we are ready for the summer. Once again what the hell did Marvin do in his private workout that blew away this so called gm we have.? I would really like to hear BK explain to us what Marvin did so well over Paul because im clearly not seeing it. I know Marvin is only 21 and yadda yadda yadda but im sick of hearing that excuse. It will be next year and we will be talking about he is only 22 and he has so much potential. I would seriously be shpping him this summer.

By cp

March 6, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

Just to add in on the Knapp and Woodson comparison. They both never had back up lans. They had a plan A and that was it. If opposing teams figured out what plan A was then the teams are screwed. When the Hawks plan A fail then the game is pretty much over because he has nothing else he can do other than fold his arms and look silly. When Knapp was here and plan A failed (which was a lot) then the game was basicaly over unless Vick made some incredible play. What did Vick say that time “sometimes you have to overcome coaching”. Well the Falcons never could and I wish someone on the Hawks would start saying that to themselves and say forget what Woodson is talkinga bout and try something else because at this point his vision is not working

By Edo River

March 6, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

Mr. Smith, YOu should be the coach.

By richbrave

March 6, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

drmaryb:

Are you receiving us? Come in.

By MannyT

March 6, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this

Astro Joe

I wonder who was the initiator in the Hartley firing? Waddell? The owners mainly interested in hockey? The owners most interested in the financials?

Are those initiators as concerned about the Hawks?

While being passive is not always looked upon as a good thing, I will give BK credit a few years ago in aggressively looking for value free agents. People bash Zaza, but he does ok for $4/season. Dallas currrently pays Shawn Bradley more than Zaza! Big men always cost. Remember, we decided to be passive about Eddie Curry and Eric Dampier after learning how much money they wanted. Look at the way Speedy gets hammered for taking up cap space? Would the fans be as hard on him if he had a multi year veteran’s minimum salary? I think not.

I want a winner, but active doesn’t get it done. I am a longtime fan of the Washington Redskins. I wish their active owner would just sell the #@%$ team! He would be great in fantasy football, but he really does a poor job as an active owner—but he does make $$$.

The ASG needs to be more effective-regardless of how active they are/appear to be.

Suggestions for ASG in next post—this one is long enough.

By SalimFan

March 6, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

I.MUS.WRITE is right joe is not a leader. his points do not come consistantly and they rarely ever effect the outcome of a game. He is not a game changer his is just a very good role player like tayshaun prince. If we can get mike miller in the off season at least we’ll hve a team full of really good role players.

From this point on in the season statistically the hawks have the easiest schedule in the NBA. So I guess that means that everyone else is Finally playing a demanding schedule for once. But that doesn’t mean anything if we don’t show up and play. If the hawks don’t beat charlotte and miami then we can just write the this season off.

Sekou- Did Salim twist his ankle or something? B/C he was limping at the end of the game

By MannyT

March 6, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this

Post was waaaaay too long on the ownership.

Here is short version of ghost of MannyT haunts Spirit ownership.

Get out of court ASAP. It makes all look like idiots.

Get the fan base more excited. Remember how you cut down on opposing hockey sweaters with the trade program. Also use cross promotion with concerts and Philips Arena non sports events to pull in more casual fans to fill seats.

Stardom sells seats. You may need a player that has a better name than game to make $$$ (unless you get draft lucky.)

Passive plan can work with restricted free agents, but need respectable coach/GM identified first. (Yes I think BK is a respectable, not great GM. Unrestricted free agents only come here for $$$ until it is a chance for a ring.

By SalimFan

March 6, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

NVM about Mike Miller….I thought he was a free agent. The only good Unrestricted free agent I could see helping us out is Shannaon Brown. Ricky Davis Has Problems and J-Will Is going to get a huge deal from somebody. Beside we already have enough point guards. There are no good unrestricted free agent big men out there.

I think the hawks can get better with pretty much the exact same team. we just need a new COACH.

I bet Lon Krueger could turn us into a winner with this new talent……he didn’t play with anyone we have on the roster right now.

Or we can all just start a (Hire Hubie Brown) campaign.

Oh and Fire Billy

By drmaryb

March 6, 2008 9:42 PM | Link to this

Hey Richbrave

I’m in the salt mines, busting rock salts! ;o I was beginning to wonder if you broke up with me and didn’t love me anymore?

I just moved my residence, so been busy labeling boxes and putting stuff up.

Man these HAWKS are driving me crazy - Man they got my nylon cheetah thong in a bunch (visutalize that)

Hey what happened to Caron Butler in Washington (a labrum tear in the left hip joint?) What’s up with the injuries.

It’s funny because the HAWKS have been realtively healthy all year and they can’t beat nobody! (We should call DFACS and see if they need some babysitters, because these HAWKS would make great sitters!) Heck their idea of playing DEFENSE is a dirty look on the way to the basket! They’re all standing around on the court watching BIBBY limp up and down the court.

Play some darned DEFENSE people -That wins championships-

By atlman

March 6, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

Im telling you guys now so that its on record, we will never win with jj or Smoove. These guys arnt superstars, jj lacks the athleticism and smoove lacks the focus and the offensive skills (dribbling,shooting,etc..) The only way we become a championship contender is by trading these 2 guys for a superstar and a sidekick, we might as well trade marvin and chillz as well. Horford even though most of you like him will not be a superstar. We need superstars to win championships. We also need a NEW COACH but most of you guys know this already….

By terrell barron

March 6, 2008 11:30 PM | Link to this

10th place and counting. CHICAGO WON

By mykhalc

March 7, 2008 1:21 AM | Link to this

man i luv my team and thought they had a chance of a 40-42 season. but right now the playoffs would be a false achievement if they made it, no matter how bad the EAST is. play good ball or lace ‘em up for next year…with wholesale changes…PERIOD!!!

By tb

March 7, 2008 2:48 AM | Link to this

AJC thinks we still have a pick; unbelievable.

See Hawks front page poll.

By jami$$ion

March 7, 2008 2:53 AM | Link to this

ATLMAN y i agree JJ isn’t a star he isnt a superstar or a allstar 4 that matter.and i’m not hating thats just how i feel. my opinion jj is a good role player at best,but that’s not his fault that BK gave him the keys to this franchise,but whats even worse is WOODY coaching this guy like he’s KOBE or LEBRON,NEGRO PLEEZE.tHAT IS MY BIGGEST GRIPE WITH bk IT’S NOT PASSING ON PAUL,OR DERON FOR MARVIN,HE WANTED DERON.but the powers that be wanted marvin,i dont know what they seen in him because i didn’t see it,a player that can’t even crack his own rotation being the second pick in the draft,but that’s who the ORGANIZATION WANTED FROM TOP TO BOTTOM.And the shells pick was out of necessity for a big man woody plead for this pick.BUT TO START THE REBUILDING PHASE NOT FROM THE INSIDE OUT WITH A GOOD BIGMAN,OR THE OUTSIDE IN WITHOUT A GOOD POINTGUARD IS SURE LUDICROUS,good guards are a dime a dozen unless it’s a kobe wade lebron type talent u just don’t build that way.look at N.O or UTAH they both wre worse than us and did their rebuilding the right way. Ican name on my hand in the east 10 cats that play his position that are better and atleast 5 that are on his level,wanna try me atlanticdivision,BOST PP&RAY ALLEN,NJ RJ&VC,PHILLY IGGY,NY CRAWFORD,SAY MIDWEST MEMPHIS MIKE MILLER AGY,S.A GINOBLI,HOUSTON T-MAC,N.O PEJA,DALLAS JT YES SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT HIS D BUT JT IS ALL CLUTCH AND INSTANT O.but i’m not jj bashing it’s about how we should have built this team from the ground up.AND ATLMAN as much as i wanna agree with younthat we can’t win with jj & smoove actually u answered your on question in reverse.you say you can’t win a tiale with out a kobe,or superstar we’ll i beg to differ the pistons made the finals without a superstar back to back the did it with T-E-A-M-B-A-L-L something our COACH yes our COACH knows nothing about,because he’s the one calling all these iso to joe plays killing the team thinking joe is some type of mj player he is not.therefore killing the energy these & comeback from behind momentum these guys have fought hard for.it divdes the team more than bring it together look at them play.al smoove chills and bibby play together,when joe gets the ball they all stop moving and watch,they won’t catch his passes or noting,because they know he’s gone shot them out of the game and woddy does this to us everytime!oo yeah 2 answer your star question this teams gone be horfords team and he is the real deal TD 2007.i think matter of fact i know they can win with what they have JS is a phenome pg bibby is clutch al is a stud on the block west is your lockdown dman marvyo midrange shooter richardson salim your 3shooterszaza your garbage big aka foulman chills yo mr everything hustle player your 6thman solo the shotblocker jj the shooting guard(i herad someone say if we trade jj wfere are our points going to come from,very easy answer the T-E-A-M just like when he was hurt last year and we went on a streak lead by smoove. for every good game jj has he has to or 3bad ones it’s not like we’ll be missing paulpierce let alone kobe,eventhough BK,in my opinion built this team backwards, therefor delaying our success,he does have all the pieces minus one.THE HEAD.

By ray

March 7, 2008 3:41 AM | Link to this

Astro Joe, I agree. I wonder why the passive “action.” Sounds like somebody’s still distracted by inner issues. Where is Belkin, and what is his role in all of this?

Meanwhile, Mark Bradley continues to committ grand-theft-blog. I swear, I should come up there and arrest the guy for theft by conversion (stealing from Sekou’s blogs and our input, and converting it into an article and blog of his own). I just know I could get a conviction…it’s all in the articulation of the charge.

I. Mus, koolaidkid sounds like a groupie/stalker who’s prey has outrun him by going from one coast to another. I see I’m not the only one who could give less than a rat’s arse about his opinion of Bibby. Udrih is indeed a good player, but so what? We’re not Sacramento fans and we like Bibby (who wouldn’t in our positio?). Their loss our gain, our loss their gain (with Udrih that is…the guys we sent to them are either already gone or useless to them right now) whatever…sounds like sour grapes to me. Bibby did more for that team for years than anybody not named Chris Webber (when healthy, that is). Hell, I figure he did more…As for assists, I see Bibby doling out plenty of those when our guys actually convert the basket.

By ray

March 7, 2008 3:56 AM | Link to this

jami$$ion, it is freakin’ difficult to follow your posts. Try breaking up those paragraphs every now and then. Just a thought…

And in other news….

Do you think anybody in Chicago misses Ben Wallace? Besides the local barber, I mean….

Joakim Noah is already proving who should’ve been suspended between the two. Noah’s energy and fire are incredible to watch. To really top things off, he outplayed Ben Wallace in last night’s matchup by posting 13 points and 20 rebounds (10 offensive, 10 defensive) against Wallace’s 2 points and 8 boards. Lately, he’s been getting double doubles with his increased playing time.

Nothing at all against Acie, but imagine if we’d traded up and managed to snag Noah after Horford? Then we’d really only be looking for a better pg. And Horford would have some high energy help in the post besides Josh Smith. Oh well, it’ll never happen now. Just another “what if” pipe dream. I’m looking forward to the end of the season and the beginning of summer. Let the Inquisition begin…

By ray

March 7, 2008 4:24 AM | Link to this

And in still other news….

Where has Yi Jianlian gone? You know you’re team’s bad when their record and play has caused you to fall out of the top ten in this year’s ROY race. By the way, our big Al is right where he should be: #1.

By doc

March 7, 2008 7:04 AM | Link to this

tb, thanks for the aside bout the poll. the scary thing about the “RESULT” is that of the 250 or so respondents 43% were for the team getting the draft pick that doesnt exist. i guess that is one of the problems in being a fan of the hawks and maybe to the benefit of the owners; literally ~50% have no clue so it is going to be more difficult to get the message to the owners by mass action or consciousness that their action or non action are really responsible for the farce of an organization as it stands right now. one thing more, so myk and ken can think twice, ;-)), gearon jr. called out the fanbase of the hawks as being unsophisticated on the radio last week. he was right but in this case it may be to their benefit to not wake up the masses to how really bad they have been as stewards of this franchise and how bleak it could become if the perfect storm arrives.

By G-thang

March 7, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

What good will come from the Hawks makin’ the playoffs? They would get swept in 4 games. We would get 2 home playoff games in April. Knight and Woody would be able to justify keeping their jobs, ‘cause they made the playoffs after 8yrs.

The only good that would come out of makin’ the playoffs would be that Phoenix would not get a top 10 pick.

Jus’ keep the losin’ ways, fire Knight and Woody and let’s rebuild this mess.

By Willie Coyote

March 7, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

Horford was being guarded by a 2-guard and did the Hawks post him up? No, Woody took him out of the game. Priceless.

By smartguy

March 7, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this

ray, give MB a break. There are only so many things to say about this crap of an ownership group; you can’t help but repeat yourself (or others).

As for as Noah, he was a beast last night. I was, and am, a big fan of his. I thought a good plan last summer would have been Conley, then move back up to get Joakim. I love Horford, but Noah is a true center.

By smartguy

March 7, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

Whoever put up that poll on “a better draft pick” should be relieved of their duties. WE DON’T EVEN HAVE A 2nd ROUNDER!!! Do you idiots need to run everything by Sekou?

By St. Bernard

March 7, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

Hawks draft pick????

Perfect sign of where our franchise is. Unbelievable.

By St. Bernard

March 7, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

If the Bulls make the playoffs in front of us, I will be officially finished.

By The Joker

March 7, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

You know what’s REALLY funny?

Most of the self-proclaimed geniuses who post here on a regular basis think that:

• Joe Johnson is a ligit All-Star

• Josh Smith is an “untouchable” player that you can build a franchise around

• Mike Bibby is a future first-ballet Hall of Famer

Y’all need to get over yourselves and try to learn some sense.

By The Joker

March 7, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

You know what’s REALLY funny?

Most of the self-proclaimed geniuses who post here on a regular basis think that:

• Joe Johnson is a ligit All-Star

• Josh Smith is an “untouchable” player that you can build a franchise around

• Mike Bibby is a future first-ballet Hall of Famer

Y’all need to get over yourselves and try to learn some sense.

By smartguy

March 7, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

The Bulls will make the playoffs in front of us, unless we get a new/interim coach.

By smartguy

March 7, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

joker, most of us actually only agree with your middle statement. You know what else is really funny, its legit, not ligit. I’m surprised you spelled geniuses right, genius. Josh Smith is not only our best player, he is also the hardest working and the most entertaining.

By Volman

March 7, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

The Joker, do you know what it is REALLY funny?

1. You are a high school kid.

2. You cannot spell to save your life. “Ligit”? “Ballet”? You need to go look those up again, dolt.

3. You post the same things everytime. Bring something new to the table, PLEASE.

ANYWAY,

I hope this team can get a BIG win tonight against those filthy cats!

By reese

March 7, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

woodsonsucks, yes we remember when woodson said that they would run an uptempo office. Guess what happened.

He made an adjustment.

By STRETCH

March 7, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

Well first of all, its really a shameful thing if your team is more than 10 games under 500 and hoping they make it to the playoffs…FOR FREAKIN WHAT???!!!!

Like someone said in the blog earlier, these guys are totally healthy and probably the most athletic team in the East, but they dont play defense. They dont know how to play as a team on offense either.

And having a coach without a clipboard or drawing board who management refuses to let walk aint helping either.

By I.MUS WRITE

March 7, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

Ray - I have to agree with you, Mr Koolaid really does sound like a groupie/stalker. Thats funny….. Man Crush. Maybe mr.koolaid is heartbroken because Bibby left town and he realizes he has no chance at being a member of team dime. I can hear him now KOOLAID: Got Dam it all these years of stalking and spying-all for nothing. I was so close to being the next Mike Bibby flunkie. Im so sadright now i could cry.

Maybe he’s starting team dime east -i sure hope so cuz im gonna uproot, quit my job and move to the ATL.

This is the life of a professional athlete-gurlz and guyz tryn to be down….. Guyz- if you are under 21 I guess itz okay,but if you are 25 and up STOP IT…… REALLY STOP IT

By Ken Strickland

March 7, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

The disfunctional Spirit Group has finally caused the Hawks to be as messed up as they are. I know I’ve been outspoken about those who insist on dwelling in the past with this shoulda coulda stuff. Well, Woodson and the DASG have left us with little to look forward to but the past and what shoulda coulda been. Wouldn’t it be the ultimate insult to be fired by this group of bickering imcompetent morons?