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DEL.ICIO.USWhiplash!
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
NEW ORLEANS - Are the Warriors still running?
I think I suffered a mild case of whiplash watching them race up and down the floor at Philips Arena in their win over the Hawks.
They never slowed down Tuesday night. There was a plastic container full of 5-hour energy in their locker room before the game. And apparently they are overdosing on the stuff. Because they ran the Hawks off the floor like nothing I’ve seen.
I thought Stephen Jackson summed it up best when he said the Warriors “play at that pace in their sleep.”
The Dallas Mavericks, when they were the best team in the regular season, couldn’t beat the Warriors at that run-n-gun game in a first-round playoff series. So I figured the Hawks would have a hard time doing it (I know they’d beaten the Warriors four straight times, but that was before they were in the late-season throws of a Western Conference playoff chase).
There were plenty of hard lessons to be learned from this game for the Hawks, mainly that it’s not a bad thing to empty your bench most nights (some dude named C.J. Watson got into the game for the Warriors. I honestly had never heard of the cat. I had to google him to find out the details).
The Hawks tried to slow things down in the second half in a futile attempt to work the Warriors over inside with their post-up game. Huge mistake. But one that should provide the Hawks a blueprint for how they can work against teams that don’t want to run with them (not the Hornets tonight, though, because Chris Paul will shred the Hawks if they try and run with them).
What I took most from this game is that the Warriors played their big guns big minutes but they didn’t rely on them to carry the offense the entire time. The Hawks have become far too reliant on Joe Johnson over the past two years and now they’re going to him when they don’t always have to. Sure, he was on fire in the first half Tuesday, but going to him relentlessly in the second half played right into the Warriors’ plans.
That allowed them to key on one guy on the defensive end and then unleash their demons on the Hawks in transition. And notice that nobody has priority over anyone else with the Warriors. Baron Davis has the same freedom to freelance as Stephen Jackson or Monta Ellis.
It makes it virtually impossible to design a defense to shut the Warriors down. The Hawks might want to take some notes so they can open their offense up in ways like that.
Comments
By Blue Diamond
March 5, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this
The Hawks were exposed more so last night then any night previously. Lack of bench hurt them big time, Josh Smith bringing the ball up hurt too, Marvin fumbling the ball away most of the time didn’t help. Why did Horford sit out so long? Woodson, you gotta play your ponies Dude!
By Dr. Tobias Funke
March 5, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this
Another day, another bad home loss, another fat paycheck for the worst GM/coach combo this league has ever seen. Honestly, they’re more incompetant than Bush & Cheney, and that’s really hard to do.
By Dr. Tobias Funke
March 5, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this
Another day, another bad home loss, another fat paycheck for the worst GM/coach combo this league has ever seen. Honestly, they’re more incompetent than Bush & Cheney, and that’s really hard to do.
By Matt from Hotlanta Hawks
March 5, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this
With a shout out to Hoopinion, it wasn’t so much the plan to play the post-up game as it was to use JOE JOHNSON as the primary target for every post-up. Even Steve Smith wondered out loud why the Hawks weren’t going to Josh Smith and Al Horford in the post.
By Nate
March 5, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this
The Atlanta Spirit look dumber by the day by keeping Woodson around. What an embarrassment…
By ericgrvs
March 5, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this
The Hawks stink! They are an undisciplined team with an undisciplined coach. I am totally frustrated watching a team who plays like they have no coach. Wait a minute!!! They don’t have a coach inasmuch as every player (especially Josh Smith and Joe Johnson) does what he wants on the floor.
By roan st
March 5, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this
I guess Woody is to clueless to design an offense that isn’t jj,jj,jj,jj,jj,jj. What the hell? The other guys just stand around half the time and watch joe play one on five. But you can’t blame them because they have been preconditioned over the last few years to think that way. All of these wings and finally a point guard to get them the ball and woodson still prefers jj,jj,jj,jj,jj. This guy has got to go after the season. He has absolutely no imagination for the offensive side of basketball. The hawks will lose to the hornets tonight and will free fall out of the playoffs. ASG get your damn act together and bring in a guy who can coach.
By Najeh Davenpoop
March 5, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this
Fire Woody.
By honest_abe
March 5, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this
no more watching hawks games or blogging about this god forsaken team for me until woody gets canned.
adios fellas. enjoy the season. heh
By Hoosier
March 5, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this
Very good points Sekou, you are hitting on some of root problems of the way Woody has thought, during his failed tenure with the Hawks. Every other coach/scout in the NBA knows the way he thinks, as well.
If Woody could some how be de-programmed, from these essoteric basketball theorms he was instilled with at the formative ages of 2 or 3, he might have been a real coach by now.
But, he has not changed a thing in four years. That is my greatest indictment of him.
By Chris D'
March 5, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this
“(I know they’d beaten the Warriors four straight times, but that was before they were in the late-season throws of a Western Conference playoff chase).”
What?
The Hawks beat the Warriors 11 days before last night. So you are saying on February 23rd the Warriors flipped the switch?
By Chris D'
March 5, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this
Spirit Group why you tripping?
Hurry up and get those $250 deposits in for next season so you can be the first in line for Hawks playoffs tickets this season.
Thats funny…
By GT80
March 5, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this
Woodson is a joke. Knight is a joke. The ASG is a joke. This is the saddest time to be a fan in the history of the Hawks franchise.
By Bay Area Steve
March 5, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this
I live in the Bay Area but grew up in Atlanta. There are many more things the Hawks can learn from the Warrriors- here are but a few:
1) Hire a GM who knows what the hell to do in the job. Look how much the Warriors (the freakin’ Warriors!) have improved since Chris Mullin took over.
2) Hire a Coach who knows what the hell to do in the job. Look how much improvement the team has demonstrated since Mully canned Mike Montgomery and brought back Nellie. Any of you really believe that a change in Coaches wouldn’t help the Hawks?
3) Make some more trades to shake up the roster. The Hawks will never win with this bunch, never. Simply having good athletes doesn’t cut it- you gotta have a team meaning, the sum of the parts must be greater than the whole. Trying to win with this group is the embodiment of insanity, you know, trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results. The only thing the Hawks do well is lose.
Please stop mentioning the words Playoffs and Hawks in the same sentence. Ain’t gonna happen. No way.
By vdunkndunk
March 5, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this
I’ve been a die-hard Hawks fan for a long time, but now that I actually have some expectations for this team, I can hardly bear to watch. I’m so tired off the same old story over and over again - same mistakes, same crushing defeats that shouldn’t have happened. The team is broken right now, especially on offense, and it’s time for a new coach and maybe a radical shake up to the roster as well.
By richbrave
March 5, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this
Last blog, posted a question as to when Areanas will return to action. He’s not sayin’, on T.V. at least. I think everybody’s all ‘aquiver’ about him stepping on the court tonight, but I can’t see it. I think maybe his first real game back is the Hawks on the 17th. Just guessing of course. If the staff and coach have any sense, they’ll work him into spot duty first for three or four games, then turn him loose(17th) if all goes well. Butler’s out. I mean out for awhile, at least April, and maybe the season.
By JohnGTFan
March 5, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this
DarkRyder
Yeah, my dumb-ss is going. No idea why. I really thought over a week ago, that ATL would make the playoffs and finish with a 40 - 42 record. I need my head examined. They should be completely embarassed! Giving up 135 points! I know GS leads the league in points, but come on. That “effort” was pathetic!!!! AT HOME no less. No, I have no more illusions. Phoenix is sitting back laughing, licking their chops…going to get probably a top-10 pic AND not have to pay someone 80 million dollars for only showing up against poor defenses, turning the ball over left and right, and not having faith in his teammates. Yes, I like JJ, he is a good player…but the leader of this team HE IS NOT! Atlanta needed to trade him at the deadline…now they need to do it in the offseason. A 2guard can be replaced easily in this league! But the all around game of JSmith cannot. Trade JJ for a high draft pick, or to a team with a true “big” and a 2nd rounder. Give the money paid to him to lock up Smith. Woodson will be gone as will BK. Yes, the ownership is a joke..but even they know when a ship is sinking…this one’s at the bottom of the Atlantic!!! Give Smith, Horford, Bibby, Chillz and Law some help. JJ, Marvin (goofy), Pachulia can all go. Keep everyone else…Salim, Solo, etc…but the above 3, time to say good-bye.
By EJH
March 5, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this
I will say the Hawks played as well as they could against the warriors last night. They did score 118 points and that usually translate into a win on most nights. The warriors shot the ball lights out 13 of 21 from 3 point range in a 5 minute span. Even if you scored 2 points for every 3 point basket that they scored, you still would be at a 13 point disadvantage (39 to 26). It was just one of those nights where the warriors was just on. However I do believe that the past three weeks will help the hawks down the strecth as they have played the top teams out west consistently and been in every ball game, that is only going to help them against the weaker teams in the east that they are about to face for the rest of the season. I do believe that Mike Woodson should be let go at the end of season. I think he would be better suited the next time for a head coaching job with a veteran team after about two to three years as an assistant again. Joe Johnson needs to be traded, period. He is the one who stagnates this offense with his one on one isolations, and his unwillingness to give the ball up and get his other teammates involved at crucial times in the game. He turns the ball over way to much. There are a few things the Hawks need to do in the off season to ensure that they are a top five team in the east next season. First, replace Mike Woodson with either Mark Jackson if you want to go young like the mavericks did with Avery Johnson and the Nets did with Byron Scott. If he is not your choice hire Paul Silas a veteran whom the players will respect. Next, as much as I love Marvin Williams, who I think is going to be a star in this league, trade him and Joe Johnson to the Miami Heat for Dwanyne Wade and there first round pick for this year and give them your first round pick for the following year. This allows for a backcourt of Bibby and Wade with J-Smooth at SF, Al Horford at PF and sign free agent Diop at center or try and make a deal for Jermaine O’neal at center. I know this is far fetched but this would rid this team of some dead weight and make this team a contender for a long time.
By cp
March 5, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this
Im so sick of Mike Knapp that Im wondering what kind of pictures he has of the ASG for him to still have a job. If Law is available please rest Bibby. The guy is hurt and Im glad he has some heart to be out there playing but he is no use to the team if he can barely move around. I rathe see Law and Salim get some minutes. If Paul has the type of game im fearing he has and Duck does nothign then we wont hear the end of it after tonight.
By Samuel
March 5, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this
The Warriors have the personnel perfect for their style. They have guys who can handle the ball, drive the basketball and shoot the rock. You can’t zone them cause they will kill you with the three ball and you can’t pressure them cause they will blow by you.
I say again, when they shoot the way they shot last night, no one will beat them, period.
We basically got two players who can handle the ball and shoot and one is one-legged. I still say that is our tempo, we just need a couple more athletes and Bibby and Acie need to get healthy. Our team got tired last night. Like Shaq said, there’s NBA shape,then there’s Pheonix and Golden State shape.
By BOSLICK
March 5, 2008 7:27 PM | Link to this
I am very sorry————————I’ve been a woody supporter for a long time ———————but this last loss was the icing on the cake—————it is time to fire woody———-I have heard many comments that bothered me ——————but the warriors runnin with us tryin to keep up and no coachin???????———-it was the last straw ———————woody has to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By BATMAN
March 5, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this
I DON’T THINK THE PLAYERS CARE ANYMORE.THEY GET PAID WIN OR LOSE.
By atlman
March 5, 2008 7:34 PM | Link to this
Whatever those fools said about trading joe , its not going to happen, theres a reason why they are not a gm. They’d rather trade one of the core players rather than firing the coach. If we have a decent coach we would be atlteast a 4 seed team, we keep our core guys.
By Astro Joe
March 5, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this
Sekou, Paul doesn’t have anywhere near the runners that the Warriors have. I’d love to see the Hawks run tonight. And I’d love to see how well Peja keeps up with our forwards.
Abee, good night for you last night. Isn’t that enough to keep you in a good mood? Stick around man, don’t drop out on us. Misery LOVES company.
By randy
March 5, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this
FIRE WOODY AND BILLY!! TRADE MARVIN FOR A HAM SANDWICH, and hold the mayo please!!
By roan st
March 5, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this
Sekou, great article on CBS sportsline about the marvin vs. paul/deron draft debate. Just a matter of time dude before you hit the bigtime. One morning all of us bloggers will wake up and you will be working at espn.
Hawks fans should cry every time they watch paul or deron play. Much like marvin cryed in Sekou’s article about being compared to those two guys. He needs to realize that being the #2 pick and not living up to expectations, that criticism will come his way. Marvin, if you want us to quit comparing you to those two stud point guards then I suggest taking you’re game to another level. Otherwise, don’t cry about it duck.
By randy
March 5, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this
Do you think Hawks could get a second round draft pick for Goofy or Duck or whatever Marvin’s name is. I would seriously settle for a Ham Sandwich if nothing else. We need to start feeding Soloman.
By terrell barron
March 5, 2008 7:56 PM | Link to this
Bolslick, what took you so long? This fool has done nothing for 4 years now. We still dont play as a team, after 4 freakin years, that’s 4 freakin years. Iso to JJ, wait for the double team, and then find Josh in the CORNER, for a 3, with 2 sec. left on the shot-clock. Not a knock against Josh but should’nt he be posting up, or moving WITHOUT THE BALL, opening up lanes for the other guys? And should’nt the offense be ran by the point guard? It just comes down to BAD COACHING. UH OH, it’s time to watch the guys stand around, until Joe gets double teamed. SEE YA!
By coachb
March 5, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this
Coach Woodson you know all the answers at your press conference after the game. Maybe you can pretend you are having a press conference on the timeouts and tell you team what they need to do. Joe Johnson is holding the ball too much. Bibby to Johnson and Johnson to Bibby while the rest of the team watch will not get the job done. Your record speaks for itself. Remember the team ball we played last year when Joe was out. You have other players that’s not named Joe Johnson. Show the other players they are part of the team. Joe should be making the other players better not just getting his points and lose. Only the Hawks will allow a team to go to the same player every time down and not stop the play. Coach did you see the inbound play for a dunk? Your defense just opened up like the red sea. How can you sleep at night?
By HawksSuck
March 5, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this
To quote Dennis Green, “THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!”. Whats that Stink?? Oh its just the Hawks getting flushed down the toilet once again. Go Chris Paul! I predict 40 points, 20 assists tonight. Marvin will have 6 points (all from the foul line and 8 turnovers, I even predict CP3 will block one of Goofy’s shots.
By Fan
March 5, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this
Somebody on this board said that the hawks played their best ball without joe johnson LAST YEAR, I could understand that this year, but last year, are you kidding me the guy was carrying the team on his back, and they were sneaking into the playoffs before joe went down..
By terrell barron
March 5, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this
EJH, Pat Riley would think it was a joke if he heard that we wanted D-Wade for Joe and Goofy. Are you kidding me? We just need a new coach, and then we can go from there. Stop coming up with all these ridiculous trades.
By terrell barron
March 5, 2008 8:14 PM | Link to this
Hey Woody, did you tell the guys to watch out for the alley oops to Chandler. We’ll soon find out. I’ll keep count.
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this
Man why are we playing one on one all the freakin time!!!!!
By terrell barron
March 5, 2008 8:18 PM | Link to this
I like the black shoes. Maybe we’ll go on a run wearing them. lol
By Ashamed
March 5, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this
nice pass MARVIN
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this
are the hawks wearing different jerseys they seem more dark, that was not a f’n offensive foul on josh!!!
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this
Excactly terrell, we dont need to trade anybody except maybe zaza, but we definetly need a new coach, and btw id rather see joe go for 20 and 10 assists rather than 40 points and 5 assists…
By lol@mike bibby
March 5, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this
Where’s T-LUE when u need him?
By terrell barron
March 5, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this
Thats 2 alleyoops Woody. Did you forget to tell em? Oh well.
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this
Joe already looks tired and why the hell is chillz the only one trying to get the rebound. And why is josh out of the game, we need offense not cherry pickers, no offense to chillz..
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this
Man,…whats wrong with bibby, good to see joe getting some rest..
By terrell barron
March 5, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this
Thats funny, Bibby was the last starter to get a rest. Thanks Woody!
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this
Man this already looks ugly, hardly even looks like a game, why do we have woody as the coach, he is enforcing any plays…i hate this guy. I think im going to stop watching this game..
By terrell barron
March 5, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this
Joe Johnson was out of gas by halftime last night. Imagine how he feels tonight. This game will probably be out of hand by halftime.
By terrell barron
March 5, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this
O.K. Salim lovers, what in the hell was that? Trying to dribble between 2 players that are right next to each other. When Acie gets back, he more than likely, wont see the court again. At least while Woody’s here.
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this
Woodys a retard, we have a 2 guys capable of being on the all star team, a good point in bibby, a potential ROY, and were losing by 15
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this
I take it back, that was a beutiful ipersionation of LEBRON Chillz, nice dunk!!!
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this
Id rather have julian wright than marvin on this team.
By smh
March 5, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this
we ALWAYS make mistakes in KEY situations
By Najeh Davenpoop
March 5, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this
In fairness to the Hawks, it’s unfair to expect them to win this game against a much better team from the much better conference. But with all the losing the Hawks have done lately, losing games they should be winning (like last night) it’s understandable that’s not what people want to hear.
Of course, they could at least try to win… if you refuse to guard anybody on the 3 point line you have only yourself to blame when the other team drains 3 after 3.
By smh
March 5, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this
Salim thinks he has handles, but doesn’t
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this
Joe pass the ball when your doubled OMG, cmon man..
By Najeh Davenpoop
March 5, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this
Also, why is it that when Joe gets doubled and passes out of the double team, the Hawks can’t pass it around quickly enough to find the open shooter? Somehow this doesn’t seem to be a problem for other teams (with better coaches) when their players command double teams.
By woodsonsucks
March 5, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this
Chill has given up 11 pts by hisself in the second quarter. I guess all of you guys don’t notice that. They are talking JJ guards the best player. The next person he stops will be the first one.
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 9:03 PM | Link to this
Marvin are you kidding me how the hell are you doing those and 1’s keep it up buddy keep it up!!!
By Najeh Davenpoop
March 5, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this
Man New Orleans even plays better music in their arena… when is the last time the Hawks played Gangsta’s Paradise at Philips Arena?
Jannero Pargo is apparently the latest member of the “scrubs who have career performances against the Hawks” club.
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this
WTF woody why are you putting joe in for 10 seconds to try to make a miracle shot what a loser!!!
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this
WOODSONSUCKS, if your not going to say anything positive dont post on this board…. why are you trying to find negatives in everyone. Give the hawks props on a back to back their only down by 9
By cp
March 5, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this
I thought earlier we should rest Bibby if Law was ready to go but I see Law is chilling with his boy Speedy. If Bibby was not playing tonight we might be down 40. Josh Smith looks like he does not even care and would rather be at home. Childress is a terrible defender. Horford is not getting the ball on the block. Marvin is actually playing well and with some nice d. I hope he gets more agrresive the second half. JJ is still holding onto the ball wayyyy too long when teh double team comes. Mike Knapp is still the coach so whatever. We need some 3’s so we can spread the floor yet Richardson is not getting any pt and Salim was yanked quick. Once again what kind of pictures is Mike Knapp holding in his possesion to still have a job.
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this
How did hornets get those 2 points that was a shot clock violation, oooh bibby nice strock..
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this
Man we brought it down to 3 point lead but they went on a run, bibby needs to run the play more, no offense to josh but he should stop dribbling outside of the paint…
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this
WOW joe with a technical, just hope that that doesnt cost us the game..
By Najeh Davenpoop
March 5, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this
Say what you want about Joe Johnson, and I give him his fair share of criticism too, but one thing you can’t deny — the guy works harder for his 20 ppg than any other 20 ppg scorer in the league. He has his fair share of dumb things he does. But you can’t blame him entirely for playing at less than peak efficiency when he has to work so hard to get good looks. Every other 20 ppg scorer at least has a coach who believes in setting picks.
By smh
March 5, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this
We dont have what it takes. point blank.
By lmao@salim
March 5, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this
salim with the explosive move..what a talent!!!
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this
can we please put someone on PARGO he is killing us!!!
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this
can we please put someone on PARGO he is killing us!!!
By cp
March 5, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this
It is nice to see Marvin aka Duck pull of his invisible man act in the 3rd quarter. When we went on the run and Bibby threw the ball to Josh Smith on the low block I just knew it would be a turnover and what do you know it was. It is a done deal a done dada in this game
By Atl Flavor
March 5, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this
We need DEFENSE!!! Pulll this one out HAWKSSS!!! Man if we can this get this game it would be HUGE!
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this
WHY isnt woody playing josh more, he is young he needs to get more playing time. What is wrong with woodson, josh is a game changer we need this guy!
By Atl Flavor
March 5, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this
Bibby needs to heal. which there is no time for that.He is shooting gwell BUT he is getting cleaned on D. Woody is not going to play his bench no matter what. If your not going to play or TRUST these guys, why even play the friggin games? Just forfiet all remaining games. Lose a game but get SOMETHING out it like time for your BENCH.
By Matt
March 5, 2008 9:53 PM | Link to this
So predictable. So g******* predictable.
By Najeh Davenpoop
March 5, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this
Seriously, is there ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE THAT DOESN’T SET PICKS???
Sekou, next time you talk to Mike Woodson, could you please ask him this question? Why, when setting picks is a tactic employed by even the crappiest high school team, do the Hawks consider this strategy beneath them? I’m not even asking for advanced, futuristic concepts such as the pick-and-roll. If a big man would just come plant his large body to the left or right of the opponent’s defender guarding the ball, allowing the player with the ball to momentarily lose the defender, that would be a huge step forward for the Hawks’ offense. Seriously, if the Hawks did this once on every possession, I guarantee their field goal percentage would go up.
By cp
March 5, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this
Nice to see Duck forget what defense is in the second half. This team has tuned out Mike Knapp. I dont care what they say in interviews because its plain to see they are not listening any more. It feels like we have given up 100 3 pointers the last two games.
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this
Hornets have too much weapons and we just dont have enough, how do you stop a linup of chris paul, pargo, peja,wright, and chandler. The hawks dont have enough weapons, and with mike woodson calling the rotations they are even more limited..
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this
This is not fair!! The new net makes the basket look smaller for the hawks this is disgusting why do those stupid jumping people have to do it on the hawks side
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this
This is not fair!! The new net makes the basket look smaller for the hawks this is disgusting why do those stupid jumping people have to do it on the hawks side
By Great Idea
March 5, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this
All I have to say is Fire MUTHEREFFEN MIKE WOODSON!!!!!
and while youre at it, Fire MUTHEREFFEN KNIGHT for not draftin Chris Paul.
Both these clowns should be man enough just to step down after killin this franchise.
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this
Man hornets have a lot of fun guys on their team,…i wish i was their fans…
By terrell barron
March 5, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this
Why are Bibby and Joe still in the game, down by 17?
By s
March 5, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this
I heard a rumor that the ASG is about ready to announce that since the community no longer supports the team to the level they had expected that it is now time to move the franchise to Birmingham. With the proper fan and community support they feel that current management will thrive and bring long term success. Long-term contract extensions to Woodson & Knight are expected soon.
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this
No we couldve cut it to single digits if it werent for that turnover…
By cp
March 5, 2008 10:20 PM | Link to this
Watching Chirs Paul have another great game while Marvin has another non impactful game makes me want to drive to Atlanta now and slap the afro off of BK. I know we have to move on because whats done is done but dammit it hard when you see what Chris Paul is doing and then you see what Duck is doing. Hell even Julian Wright is out playing Duck tonight. FIRE THE BROKE SPIRTI GROUP. BK AND WOODY NOW
By Atl Flavor
March 5, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this
Hawks are SOFTTTT!! When was the last time we had a player foul OUT!!! Get TOUGH DAMN!!!!
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this
yah nice job woody put josh in when their down by 13 with 4 minutes to go..
By terrell barron
March 5, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this
Hey Woody you’d think Al would know how to set a screen without moving by now. You have to be the dumbest coach in history.
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 10:23 PM | Link to this
Man wtf al misse the ally oop and peja hits a three
By Atlanta Chickenhawks Basketball
March 5, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this
what a joke
By terrell barron
March 5, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this
Joe and Bibby are still in this freakin game. Just over a minute left, down 14. WOW!
By randy
March 5, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this
Hey I just turned the game on for the final 5 minutes of the game. Hawks down by 15 and the crowd is having fun. Good thing those fans don’t know about our secret weapon: DuckMan. Fly Duck Fly!!
By preston
March 5, 2008 10:27 PM | Link to this
forget about it…………..this season is a wash….noooooooooooo defense.
By Jim Mora
March 5, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this
Playoffs?!!!! What are you talking about, playoffs?!!!!
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this
Can we please get rid of mike woodson, i am about to cry man, why do you torture me asg do you weven care about your fans. Please just get rid of woody, please he doesnt use his bench or anything. Why do we have to depend on other teams losing games. This guy is not a coach, he thinks he is a defensive coach but our guys keep on giving threes. Charlotte just beat the warriors how do they beat them but we dont.
By Najeh Davenpoop
March 5, 2008 10:32 PM | Link to this
Amazingly, Memphis did the Hawks a huge favor and took care of New Jersey tonight — which means the Hawks are still a game out of the playoffs.
FIRE WOODY AND BILLY (I had to change up the order to avoid violating Clyde’s copyright)
By I QUIT
March 5, 2008 10:33 PM | Link to this
Forget it. The season is over. If I wasn’t from the ATL I wouldn’t even bother with this team. MAYBE if they played in the SEC they could do something.
I’m tired of being let down. James Dolan is the only worse owner I can think of in the league. Get it together already. How do the ASG sleep at night? Geez.
By hawksfanfordawin
March 5, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this
LOL atlanta chickenhawks basketball. Hahahah
By Najeh Davenpoop
March 5, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this
“The Charlotte Hornets is a really good team but this is a game the Hawks has to win”… good to know that Dominique can channel his inner Emmitt Smith when necessary.
By woodsonsucks
March 5, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this
* hawksfanfordawin* I can say whatever I want to say. Just like these other guys like Jo Bling and Matt. All I am doing is pointing out the mistakes of other players like they do. Just like owners who keep a coach that the players obviously don’t want to play for. He keeps taking JS out every four minutes for what. He says he needs Zaza and then plays him 5 minutes. Maybe some of you have never played sports before. A coach can kill the spirit of a player. Woodson has managed to do it to his whole team. Mario West doesn’t even have the same energy. Chill only has energy to get an offensive rebound or a layup. JJ doesn’t make any effort to rotate. When Bibby first got here he started running pick and roll plays for dunks. We haven’t seen another since they beat the Knicks. I will apologize to the fans on here for my comments. I just think it is sad they won’t fire this guy. This is a playoff team. They won’t be with him coaching.
By terrell barron
March 5, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this
Luckily, the Nets and Pacers both lost, but we cant keep depending on other teams to lose.
By Fed Up Fan
March 5, 2008 10:36 PM | Link to this
We’re only a half game up on Chicago and Indiana. I’m only waiting for them to pass us so I can officially stop caring about this season.
By terrell barron
March 5, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this
Dominique’s gotta hate talking about CP3. Why does stan keep bringing his name up anyway?
By Nookah
March 5, 2008 10:42 PM | Link to this
Let’s all be honest. Woody has lost this team. Furthermore with that article coming out the other day, how can this franchise have any confidence? The players are certainly playing like it.
The honest truth is we won’t make the playoffs. Secondly, I think we should trade JJ at the end of the season and hopefully get some draft picks for him. The man is simply not a leader. He is overworked and I think he is currently mentally exhausted. He is making bad decisions. He’s a role player he can’t carry a team. That’s the fact!!
The sad thing is that we are officially again in re-building mode. We have to get rid of Woody, BK and the Spirit. We need to get them out of town and fast!!! These guys are perennial losers. They have no clue how to run a winning franchise. Look at the demise of the Thrashers. What’s the common factor here? Yeah you guessed it, The ASG
Can we boycott the rest of the season? After all it’s just not worth the price of a 99c burger.
Thank God we can all soon start singing…..take me out to the ballgame…..the only existing ticket of any value in town!!!!
Oh by the way…with the third pick the Atlanta Falcons pick….Matt Ryan….
Nuff respect!!!!
By mykhalc
March 5, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this
WOODSON spiked the kool-aid!!! he looks worse, game after game!!! BUT he has been consistent!!!
By Desmond
March 5, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this
I have a SERIOUS question for you guys. Why do we play such little defense? I don’t get it. I mean a church youth league team should at least look like they’re tryin hard after a good bit of games. How is it that a team full of PROFESSIONAL players can continuously play such lousy defense. If it isnt a WIDE OPEN Three its an Easy Lay up. I mean my goodness at least have 1 area on D you make sure you tighten up on. It’s like nobody is out there.
By Nookah
March 5, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this
I QUIT, I have to agree with you. See my last post. We won’t make the playoffs and we have no picks next year. Sad indeed.
This franchise is certainly a model of inconsistency!!!
**With the first pick in the 2008 draft, the Miami Heat pick a franchise player who along with Dwayne Wade will soon win another championship…Micheal Beasley. Oh, and the Hawks will sign a prize free agent….Jon Koncak!!!!
It’s time to go Spirit!!!! You’re certainly killing our…..spirit!!!
Hey guys don’t even try to question my fanhood. Only Job endured more than an Atlanta Hawk fan does!!!!
Nuff respect!!
By Najeh Davenpoop
March 5, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this
The Hawks’ lack of defense isn’t because of a lack of effort (although they might not be putting in 100% effort either). It’s because of lack of communication. When a guy gets picked another guy has to step up and pick up that man. When a guy is getting double teamed the defense has to rotate when the ball starts getting passed around. When a guy is running a back cut someone has to call it out so that the man gets picked up. The Hawks don’t communicate on defense at all.
If the Falcons draft Matt Ryan over a lineman at #3 I will begin the jihad against the Falcons’ front office. Anyone on the blog is welcome to be one of my mujahideen fighting the holy war against bad Atlanta draft picks.
By gtsting8
March 5, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this
I just want to leave everyone a bit of information. Throught 59 games this year the Hawks are 24-35. Through 59 games last year the Hawks were 22-37. The Hawks are just as bad as ever
By BA
March 5, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this
I have been in the minority on these blogs, calling for patience with Woody. And I hate to see anyone lose a job, but this guy has got to go. 32 threes in two games?! Where is our perimeter defense? Duck and Chils got punked tonight on d. And why won’t Joe pass the ball? Why don’t we run pick and rolls like the hornets did all night? We have a point guard now. there’s no more excuses. Billy Knight has got to go too. I can see missing on Paul, but missing on D. williams too? And let’s see, Sheldon, solo, salim, three wasted picks in two years? It’s indisputable, these people aren’t qualified. Oh yeah, and A.c. was a bad pick too, because he’s timid and fragile. Pachulia? Mistake. Claxton? Huge mistake. Philly and the nets are rebuilding and they’re still ahead of us! I’m distgusted. Say it with me ,Clyde: FIRE KNIGHT AND WOODSON!
By DarkRyder
March 5, 2008 10:56 PM | Link to this
JohnGTfan i’ll be there watching a playoff team here in DC. richbrave what’s your plan to watch the Wizards? Sure they got blown out tonight but Gilbert is doing contact practices so we’ll see how the knee holds up.
I like how Eddie Jordan doesn’t try to wear out Antawn during these blowouts and allows youngsters Blatche and Nick Young to get some serious PT. Their games have come on strong. Hey, maybe if I don’t see you at the game perhaps I could see you guys at the ESPNZone down the street after the game on the 17th?
Hopefully Caron will be healed by the beginning of April. No need to rush him while they are still around .500.
Oh, the Hawks? Oh yeah, they’re finished. I prefer to discuss teams that are actually going to the playoffs.
By preston
March 5, 2008 10:57 PM | Link to this
My posts about these guys have gotten less and less b/c there is no use in talking about the same thing over and over again without anything changing…..these games have become nothing more but circus acts for the other teams and their fans…..teams are starting to make adjustments against JJ and they are pretty much shutting him down in the 2nd half……Marvin and Josh Smith have been very inconsistent with their play, and both of them are playing outside of their game……..Woodson still is bewildering with his rotation, and he constantly gets outcoached every night……it seems as if the other teams are always in position to set picks and screens, while our guys are fighting to get open on every play…….never seen teams get 3 point happy like they do against the hawks.
By woodsonsucks
March 5, 2008 10:58 PM | Link to this
Desmond Have u even watched boxing and one boxer was just sharper than the other fighter. The second fighter loses his edge and then he is just trying to survive. This is how the Hawks look. Even when they play well they know Woodson will mess it up after halftime. This team was born to run and Woodson won’t. I think this is why BK wanted to fire him. Does everyone remember before the season when Woodson said they were going to have an uptempo offense. WHAT HAPPENED?
By Nookah
March 5, 2008 10:59 PM | Link to this
Oh the Suns are down by 11 with 3:25 to go. Perhaps they will fire Mike D’Antoni at the end of the season and we could go get him.
Oh, sorry guys I forgot this is the hapless Spirit!! Mike wouldn’t come anyhow!!!
Nuff respect!!
By mykhalc
March 5, 2008 11:02 PM | Link to this
gtsting8, PLEASE…there is NO NEED to put things in perspective nor show us any realities!!! pls pass the WOODSON kool-aid/cyanide!!!
By Wow
March 5, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this
Sekou, You seriously never heard of CJ Watson? Being a Vol that hurts…Another glorious game tonight by the way.
By Nookah
March 5, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this
Najeh Davenpoop I take that back….I have to agree with you too, one of the Longs has to be the right pick for this franchise. I stand corrected!!!
Nuff respect!!
By mykhalc
March 5, 2008 11:21 PM | Link to this
Sekou, anymore news of WOODSON bein’ fired??? or to say it more positively, anymore news of LDREW takin’ over as HC???
By dakid
March 5, 2008 11:45 PM | Link to this
NAJEH LM@O His inner Emmit. People are calling for Josh to play more minutes, but if you were at game last night, he and The idiot(Woodson) kinda are at odds. Probably cause the idiot can’t call any set plays that work. The 2008 Sterling’s are ruining my child hood team. Please give the team to Belkin, please. Joe does work harder than any 20 point scorer in the league but alot of that is his fault. Why won’t he attack the basket??? Marvin is the worse draft pick in our history(and that’s saying alot). He just simply wasn’t needed. In the previous draft we had picked up to young wings. And we draft another one. The team as currently constructed, with Joe and Josh as the focal points will never win a title. One of them has to get traded. We are cursed. Think about it. Nique even vouched for Marvin, said he was once every 10 year talent.
By new jersey faithful
March 6, 2008 12:01 AM | Link to this
This game killed me! Good game for a while, until the Hornets just ran away with it in the 4th! Did the Hornets even miss a freaking 3 pointer???? Those guys can flat out shoot!! I dont think JJ can pass out of a double team to well, or pass to the open guy for that much. I think the game turned when JS missed an open shot, then as usual, turned the ball over on the next possesion down low. Killed any momentum they had! So they have lost three in a row, now its time to bust off 5 wins in a row…..only to lose the next 3 in a row and so forth and so on………
By new jersey faithful
March 6, 2008 12:17 AM | Link to this
DarkRyder are you serious??? The Hawks are one game out with like 25 to play!!! The 6,7,8 spots are up for grabs to about 7 teams!! Its anybodys game out there!! Not that anyone of those 5-8 seeds even have a chance to get to the finals, let alone win the trophy, even your precious Wizards!
By JOHNNY
March 6, 2008 12:47 AM | Link to this
There is an excuse for gegtting beatdown inside in the paint when we are so outsided at the 4 and 5
but with a taem this athletic and long we should NEVER EVER FRICKIN NEVEEERRRRRR EEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Get beatdown at the 3point line like that. Just inexcusable. Lack of effort.
Fu$kin pathetic.
By ray
March 6, 2008 1:35 AM | Link to this
I wonder if we’ll match the number of wins from last year.
MannyT, I’d admire your optimism if I was in the mood. But I’m not. But I can promise I won’t make fun of you when we don’t make the playoffs. I too, once thought as you do. Tell you what I’m looking forward to: the “release” of Knight and Woodson. However, if that doesn’t happen…there’s no point in returning to this blog or paying attention to this franchise. The ultimate victory would be getting the ASG out of here, but hey…it’s hard to replace/displace owners.
By ray
March 6, 2008 1:49 AM | Link to this
Where’s that moron from the end of the last blog? You know, the guy who wanted to “tell us all about Bibby.” Sounds like a damn stalker who’s unhappy because his target has moved to the other coast. Whatever…
Oh yeah…I forgot to say this: We should’ve drafted Chris Paul. Najeh, that was for your personal gratification, based on your prediction from the last blog. I didn’t want you to be disappointed…lol…
Oh yeah. When the coach and gm are fired (I have to have something to hope for here people, the playoffs aren’t in the picture as far as I’m concerned)…whatever will Clyde do for himself? He’ll be out of business and won’t have a reason to post….so sad…
By Enough
March 6, 2008 2:31 AM | Link to this
Seems like the honorable thing for Woodson to do is resign. Though a lot of his problems are due to BK’s assembly of this team. Woody has failed to develope his bench players and his rotation is just too inconsistent for guys to know their roles. He puts odd combinations out there which creats total stagnation on offense. I think Josh and Harford are just plain tired, no bench help what so ever and playing out of position has caught up with them in the long haul. Salim could be a great gun in a more defined role and Solo just lacks quality playing time.But considering the situation Woodson came into, I think he at least deserves the chance to get this version of the Hawks to the Playoffs. If Marvin was what he was projected to have been by now, the Hawks would be major players in the East. Joe is too passive, Josh needs to work on his jumper during the offseason, Chills needs to be on the floor more than Marvin always and a move to get Jermaine Oneal should be made in the off season. The guy is always in Atlanta during the offseason so I know he would be interested in a trade. You could package a draft pick, Marvin, ZaZa and Salim. Then you would have Bibby, Johnson, Smith, Harford and Oneal. With Chills, Law, West and Solo coming off the bench and be a real contender in the East. Not bragging but I posted the move for Bibby months ago and had it happend sooner, the Hawks would be at least at 30 wins. If the Spirit is reading, I am available for the soon to be vacated GM position. I couldn’t do worse, though I give much credit to BK for the two Josh’s and Harford draft picks.
By cee
March 6, 2008 3:00 AM | Link to this
MAN THIS IS UGLY FIRST THE OWNERS CALL THE FANS STUPID NOW WE SEE WHAT WE COULD OF HAD AT PONIT GAURD BURN US BUT HEY LIKE MIKE GEARING JR SAID AT LEAST WE HAVE AL HORFORD AND SCIE LAW ….. WE NEED A NEW COACH I DONT KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE HAVE TO SAY IT IN THESE POST I THINK THE ONLY WAY THEY WILL FEEL US IS IF WE DONT ATTEND ANY HOME GAMES THAT WILL MAKE THEM PUT A GOOD PRODUCT ON THE FLOOR BOO THEM WHEN THEY STINK WE DID THE FALCONS AND THEY MADE CHANGES SO WE SHOUD DO THE HAWKS
By JohnGTFan
March 6, 2008 7:02 AM | Link to this
The Hawks are NOT a playoff team. I have thought for a long time that if they fire Woodson that ATL would make it to the playoffs. I was wrong. When was the last true “defensive effort” they played…collectively? Anyone? Bueller? Frye? LOL Exactly!! The coach is responsible for so many things…but millionaires being paid to play a game…how about a little pride.
Don’t know who said it…but someone said JJ works harder than anyone…on offense maybe…and he doesn’t exactly do well under any type of pressure (turnovers). Yeah, I know he’s considered a “core” player in ATL (doesn’t take much).