Hawks

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 27, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

Either Marvin has the “flu”, or Mike Woodson finally got around to reading Sekou Smith’s blog, where at least 10 commenters expressed their intense dislike for Marvin and their wish for him to be taken out of the lineup.

By SalimFan

February 27, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

Damn This sucks. We’ll still beat the kings though. Now he is forced to play J-Rich and maybe even solo.

By formerhawkfan

February 27, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

Let’s do a total and complete boycott of the Hawks. No more $ for them until they decide to operate with a little sense. Again, just how many point guards did they pass on? I think Billy Knight is an idiot. We were in position 4 years ago to start a dynasty like the Braves. We got the last part of dynasty right. Nasty! That is what the Hawks and the management has become. BOYCOTT!

By BosnianBaller

February 27, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

Thats the best news I heard all day.Marvin is the problem.He plays soft and with no heart.U need more production from the 2nd overall pick.This team also sucks bcause there is no real center.the spurs got back in the game all on lay up’s.I was waiting for the hawks to commit a hard foul and send a message but it never came.

By Jroc

February 27, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

Maybe Woodson can insert Brandon Roy in Marvin’s spot. Oh, that’s right…they drafted Sheldon instead!

By MikeJones

February 27, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this

Once they lose this game, then to the knicks, and then to Boston, one can only hope its lights OUT Woodson.

By reese

February 27, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

Well, the bigger picture is that Josh Smith and Al Horford can begin practicing in the position in which they should be playing.

Additionall, Solomon Jones should be guaranteed playing time.

Finally, the ASG and BK need to bring in some more players on 10 day contracts.

The perfect scenerio for Brent Barry would be to play two 10 day contracts with the hawks and then go finish out the season with San Antonio. OK, maybe that would be a good scenerio for the hawks.

The other slot would be for a center.

By Greg

February 27, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this

This is the best line up change of the year. I like Marvin and hope he gets well soon, but this is what the line up should look like in the 1st place.

By THE Hawks Fan

February 27, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

Start Mario!! He started the last time Marvin was out and played well. We need to win this GAME!!!!! GOOOOOOOOOOHAWKSSSS

By tyger

February 27, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this

Woody’s you know what is on the line, maybe now, he’ll focus on winning rather than politics.

By randy

February 27, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

Sweet, we might actually win with Marvin out of the lineup. With Marvin out, its almost like playing with an extra man on the floor.

By DarkRyder

February 27, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

Rarely will DarkRyder have a positive comment to say on the Hawks, but to quote the great Bill Simmons:

I SMELL EWING THEORY!

For those who may not know what that is, it means that when a significant player goes down to injury the rest of the team actually gets better.

Oh, I forgot it’s the Hawks….and Woodson is still there….so I guess that theory is out the window!

Final score Sacramento 101 Atlanta 80

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 27, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this

Well, in order to be a Ewing Theory candidate, a player must actually be good. Therefore, Marvin Williams is eliminated.

By LA Hawk

February 27, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this

How’s the hangover, Sekou?

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this

See what happens when marvin is out…

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this

Woody wtf why are you putting zaza in for al omg. dude and thats disgusting zaza you dont shave your armpits…

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 27, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

Well, whaddya know, you remove a timid guy with tons of talent and zero basketball IQ, insert an aggressive guy with not much talent but a lot more basketball IQ, and suddenly the Hawks are actually playing well as a team on both sides of the floor!

I fully expect to see Mario West get a DNP in Marvin’s first game back.

Fire Woody.

By randy

February 27, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

WHY THE HELL AREN’T WE PLAYING MARIO WEST MORE???? Bench Marvin for the rest of the season!! Mario actually plays every play.

By Harpo

February 27, 2008 7:22 PM | Link to this

Does the Hawks play by play guy talk like that in person or just for the games?

Does he realize he sounds like a bad sports announcer in a bad movie?

By Mac-Town

February 27, 2008 7:22 PM | Link to this

Mario West is doing this Marvin cant do…like finish at the hoop…and hustling 100% of the time….

I’d rather he or richardson start anyway

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 7:24 PM | Link to this

OMFG joe how do you miss the easiest shot of your freakin career!!!!!

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this

OMFG joe how do you miss the easiest shot of your freakin career!!!!!Dunk the damn ball~!!!!

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

Having “goofy” sitting out the game is a good thing!

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

Any takers…the Hawks only score HALF the amount of points in the 2nd quarter that they did in the first???

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 7:35 PM | Link to this

End 1st: Hawks 40 - Sac 28

End 2nd: Sac 55 - Hawks 51 (just my guess)

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 7:37 PM | Link to this

dont be surprised if woody plays joe the entire game inorder to save his dumbazz

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 7:41 PM | Link to this

damn woody, he does it again, mike woodson has done it again, he is playing the entire bench without an offensive scheme.

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this

ZaZa, Chillz, Salim, Al, J-rich…who’s going to score?

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 7:43 PM | Link to this

Can anyone help me..what’s ATL’ TO cound already?

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 7:45 PM | Link to this

I love Josh, but on nights like this, unless it’s a dunk, you think he could say…”my shot is garbage tonight…how about I get others involved”

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this

I really hate watching this team “attempt” to shoot free throws

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this

here we go…looking familiar…nothing but outside jumpers

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this

Sacramento shooting 64 percent….WOW. Hawks defense makes their entire team look like all-stars…kiss that big 1st quarter lead good-bye (AGAIN)

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this

joe has done nothing in the second…

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 8:07 PM | Link to this

are you effin kidding me joe doesnt deserve that buzzer beater…worst defense from a defense minded coach..

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this

Hey, I was close. See, every team has it figured out against ATL (not a hard thing to do). Let ATL get an early first quarter lead…because the Hawks in 2nd and 3rd quarters has a simple, yet ignorant set up…hand around the 3-pt line and shoot bricks…play absolutely no defense…and refuse to utilize a monster like Horford, because the coach says he’s a “rookie”…

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this

Sekou

What are the odds that BK goes into the locker room during halftime…tells Woodson to leave the building, and tell Drew to finish the game and season as coach?

Sorry, was living in Never-Never Land for a few…need to come back to reality

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this

john why are we the only ones talking…

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

I think because everyone else is too frustrated with this team to even bother…can’t really blame them ya know. ZaZa…uggggghhhh. If you’re going to bring someone in that does nothing at all but look horrible…at least use Solo..give the kid a shot. ZaZa only provides headaches

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this

i know right all he does is foul like crazy and then brushes his fake hair..and joe doenst get any calls…what a bunch of gai refs.

By ugaman

February 27, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

It looks like I got quarters mixed up. Atlanta actually jumped out to the early lead, only to see Sac come back. Well, look for the Hawks to blow it in the fourth. Maybe we could suit ‘Nique up to show these guys how to finish the game!

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

woody give joe a break and put in josh you tard..

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 27, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

Damn Salim, outstanding defense. Just stand there and let your man get open right under the hoop every time. Gee, I wonder why he doesn’t get more playing time?

By ugaman

February 27, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

Why would Woody give Solo a chance? He doesn’t believe in using his bench unless he’s forced to. Watch, West won’t see the floor in the fourth and we will desperately need his energy.

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this

It’s been obvious why Salim doesn’t play…I’ve always said…that is the only thing you CAN’T blame woodson for.

hawksfan I agree..Joe will be gassed halfway thru the 4th

By ugaman

February 27, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this

See what happens when you get a shooter on the floor? It opens up the middle for the bigs to cut to the basket because the defense has to cover the shooter. That is why Salim needs more playing time.

Also, great effort by Solo on Artest on D. Even though Artest made the shot, it was a very difficult shot created by aggressive D. Good job Solo. He just needs P-time!

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this

Is it me, or has Chillz been getting an awful lot of his layups blocked this year?

By ray

February 27, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this

Here we go again…

Where’s the insane doctor to remind us of how much we shouldn’t give a damn about all of this

Hooser, perhaps I was quoting you. But I hope you’re not a huge Hoosier fan, I wouldn’t want to see you cry because your favorite college b-ball team hired Woody. I don’t think I’d wish that on an enemy..

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this

woody is a retard, i hate him..

By Sekou K. Smith

February 27, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

As if you haven’t already noticed, Mario West got the starting nod over Zaza. So far it lookds like a good move.

SS

By ray

February 27, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

Damn….Bibby is doing pretty good. Chill just missed a last second layup. Bibby is straight cold-blooded! I love this guy. Drive, drop step, midrange jumper. Chill in the corner! Ya see…Marvin shouldn’t be starting. Chill’s shot is ugly, but at least he has some range.

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this

Yess!!!Finally some key shots in the fourth…

By ray

February 27, 2008 9:11 PM | Link to this

When’s the last time you saw a Hawks guard not named Joe Johnson put up 23 points and 12 assists? And the game isn’t even over yet…

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

WTF SMOOVE stop taking stupidshots…

By Tiger Woo

February 27, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

OK - Hawks up by 9 - six minutes left. Hopefully, they can win in overtime!

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this

Looks familiar…and it wouldn’t be a 4th quarter without JJ making some turnovers

By ugaman

February 27, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this

Can we please do domething other the JJ isolatio? My Gosh, we do this at the end of every game and every team knows it’s coming.

By ugaman

February 27, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

Bibby is taking control after Woody ran that stupid iso with JJ that everbody knew he would resort to. With Bibby breaking people down and driving to the hole, it opens up the floor for everyone. I can’t believe Z actually made important free throws.

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

hawksfan

don’t get too excited yet…lol

By ray

February 27, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

What kind of layup was that supposed to be by Zaza? See…I’m not going to go there…

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

???Joe only has 3 turnovers…

By Capt. Caveman

February 27, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

It looks like the team is gelling a little. They really need to follow Bibby’s lead at the end and learn how to be a winner in crunch time.

I feel good about the win tonight. Hope it works out like that.

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this

I Love Josh on the boards and of D…but damn, STOP SHOOTING

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

WTF zaza why do you always bring the ball down, that couldve been an and 1

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 27, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this

At this point I wouldn’t mind hiring Bibby as player-coach… he certainly seems a lot smarter than Woodson when it comes to calling plays and managing the offense.

By ray

February 27, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this

Oh my…Bibby with a threaded pass after making Francisco Garcia look like a rook. Why didn’t we get this guy sooner? Only one turnover from him too. I know I sound like I’m gushing, but when is the last time we’ve seen a guy knife through 2 or 3 defenders who are trying to catch him at the hash mark? If it was AJ or Lue (who I liked), that would’ve been a successful trap.

SEKOU, Mario deserves it. He adds intensity on both ends of the court. He has offensive capability, and tends to convert when given the ball. But it takes somebody knowing when to give it to him. That’s why Bibby is so important. Imagine if we’d have had him a month ago…or all season? I hate waiting for next year, it shouldn’t have to be that way. But once again, it will be that way.

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this

another late JJ turnover

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this

Thanks alot joe, that stupid pass back to al you shouldve kept it…

By ray

February 27, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this

Najeh, that’s exactly it. Woody got upset over Horford’s gaffe just now. Was it because it was a simple backcourt violation, or because he wasn’t milking the clock properly? LOL!

By terrell barron

February 27, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

Can we please get the ball out of Joe’s hands, when we are trying to get past half court. He seems to panic when they press.

By ugaman

February 27, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

That’s the way, Bibby. Thanks for showing the Hawks how to win at the end by taking the game over. Get used to it. Your play will definately dictate whether or not we win the rest of our games this weekend. I’ll say it now, where Bibby goes, the Hawks go. Plus, I told you West wouldn’t see the floor in the 4th. Luckily we didn’t necessarily need his energy to win, but he sure deserved more pt after the way he started the game. I think he should start every game and give us that energy to start with.

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

hahaah this is hilarious, woody pulling out his etcha-sketch when the game is already over.

By ray

February 27, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this

Ugh! Another Woodson timeout?? What is this, another way to milk the clock and possibly lose the game? This joke of a coach shouldn’t even be allowed to have a blackboard and marker!

By terrell barron

February 27, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this

WTF, why the hell did Woody call time out? He just gave them time to set up the defense! IDIOT! Just take the damn ball out, it’s only 14 sec. left and were up, for crying out loud.

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this

Finally a win!!!!!

By JohnGTFan

February 27, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this

Glad they got a win..but they better sure up that defense! And this is a COMPLETELY different team with Bibby.

Have a good night everyone…hopefully the “D” will be better on Friday and ATL can get another win.

By ray

February 27, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this

Got away with that one. It was nice to see us score a lot of points, too. Ahem. Even against a bigger team with a “oomgaweh” like Artest…we didn’t need Marvin at all. Hope he feels better (I don’t wish the guy to be ill), but in the meantime, I enjoy seeing a deserving Mario West doing his thing in the game. It was nice to see some added intensity instead of several mid range jumper attempts and a butt stuck out far enough to committ a foul by itself.

By Donte

February 27, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

Trade josh smith and joe all they do is shoot and they always miss!!!!!

By Atl Flavor

February 27, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this

Marvin I feel for you. Everybody I know has had that damn flu. Hope you get well soon. We still need Marvin. We need ALL of our players. They just need to be put in the position to WIN. Can you say COACHING!!! Come on Woody!! Great job Mr. West. Your time is coming. Lets string some wins together. Good game Hawks!!

By terrell barron

February 27, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this

If Marvin plays, we probably lose. Mario and Chill can man the sf position. We need to trade Marvin for a 1st rdr.

By T

February 27, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this

The Hawks made a big mistake

Marvin Williams (drafted #2) was a big mistake. The knock on him in college was that he was not committed to working hard enough to be great. Everyone saw and said that he had the talent to be a superstar. What everyone missed on was Marvin’s true commitment to getting better. And that means all phases of the game. His offense is inconsistent at best, his defense is horrible. The Hawks should have tried to correct this mistake as best they could before the trade deadline, but did not. They better address this in the off season if they want to really improve this team. Also, they need to keep J. Richardson as well. That man can shoot the ball. And outside shooting is a major problem with this team. Bibby helps JJ, but outside of those two, no one can shoot. If the organization let’s him go… another mistake.

Coaching has been very poor this year too. Woody refuses to run consistently. refuses to play solomon jones even after trading away many big men. refuses to play S. Stoudamire consistently, another shooter.

There are many things wrong with this team, but are easily correctable if management has the guts to do it!

By terrell barron

February 27, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this

If Marvin plays, we probably lose. Mario and Chill can man the sf position. We need to trade Marvin for a 1st rdr. Throw in Zaza if we have to.

By reese

February 27, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

First of all, great win hawks. The Good: J Smith, Bibby and Horford each had double doubles. Bibby and Smith were provided entries in every positive offensive/defensive category. J Childress provided scoring off the bench. The hawks took 83 shots for the game and made 87% of their free throws. Made free throws were definitely a key to the victory tonight and the 8 three point shots that were made was another key factor. We outrebounded a bigger team by 6. Joe johnson lead 3 players who scored over 20 pts. Mario West provided a spark off the bench. Mike Woodson utilized every person who was healthy to play. Joe Johnson’s pass back to J Richardson who gave up an open shot. Even though he missed, it was the right shot to take. Woodson played Solo along with horford and other starters and he looked comfortable on the floor. Woodson played salim along with Joe eventhough Salim missed his shots, he has to keep shooting.

The Bad: 19 point 2nd quarter. This team needs to keep the tempo up and does not need quarters with less than 20 points. The bench needs more minutes for the long term success of this team. JJ played way to many minutes (44).

By hawksfanfordawin

February 27, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this

I think that if jj scores around 25 points a game the hawks have a better chance of winning than smoove going for 20 plus.

By Dr. Tobias Funke

February 27, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this

Terrell, who do you suggest would give the Hawks a 1st-rounder for Marvin at this stage? The guy’s got two left hands (all thumbs) and two left feet, and for a so-called jump-shooter, he has an awful lot of 2-for-9 nights. Don’t you think the other GMs around the league have taken notice of how generally useless and turnover-prone he is?

Here’s an idea, Marvin — STOP PUTTING THE BALL ON THE FLOOR! It’s painfully obvious that you’re one of the worst ball handlers in the league, so just concentrate on catching the pass when it comes to you, and hit those 16-foot jumpers you seem to be pretty good at…sometimes. Leave the other stuff (you know, the stuff that requires athleticism and coordination) to the rest of the guys on the team.

By Volman

February 27, 2008 10:42 PM | Link to this

Manny T, were you at the game? You might have run into a couple of my friends with my tickets. I have been at the hospital with a very ill family member trying to make sure she can pull through. Tough times.

I will more than likely be at the game on Friday. You’ll see my Smoove jersey in action.

How did the game go? I saw the last couple of minutes…Looks like Bibby did GREAT.

No Marvin? No Problem.

Go Hawks!

By terrell barron

February 27, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

This game should’nt have even been close. Now we’ll probably have a let down against the Knicks.

By Steve Thomas

February 27, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

I would like to see richardson get more PT. He can spell JJ. The Hawks still need another scorer. The Hawks are now taking shape, Bibby, JJ, Horford and Smith are the people to build around. If JChill, Marvin, Law, and SOlo comes around, the hawks could be a top 5 team in the east.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 27, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

In a league where Seattle traded a 2nd round pick for Kurt Thomas and 2 1st-round picks, anything is possible. I’d be really surprised if the Hawks couldn’t get a first-rounder for Marvin, as disappointing as he may be.

By Steve Thomas

February 27, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

I would like to see richardson get more PT. He can spell JJ. The Hawks still need another scorer. The Hawks are now taking shape, Bibby, JJ, Horford and Smith are the people to build around. If JChill, Marvin, Law, and SOlo comes around, the hawks could be a top 5 team in the east.

By terrell barron

February 27, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

Yeah, we’ll probably have to throw in Zaza, and still only get a late 1st.

By ray

February 27, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this

terrell, considering what has come out of the later parts of the 1st round here lately…that’s not such a bad deal. Unless of course, you have Billy doing the picking…which we do.

Here’s to being glad of the win. And hoping not to witness a letdown in the next game. The Knicks might be terrible, but they’re always dangerous.

By mykhalc

February 27, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this

this is a coach that KNOWS he DOES NOT KNOW….

*He’s something we haven’t had since I’ve been here,” Hawks coach Mike Woodson said. “He’s played enough basketball in this league and made enough big plays offensively as far as getting shots. And he’s won. He’s been successful doing it.

“So I don’t want to screw him up. And I want him to feel free to the point that if he doesn’t like things that I’m doing, hey, he’s got that right to let me know, and we’ll change them.”*

says it all for me!!! WHEW!!!!!!

By coachb

February 27, 2008 11:35 PM | Link to this

Mike Woodson

Good move to start Mario West he is our Artest. The way he play defense he should be in there every night.

Good job to bring Solo in, he gave you some good mins.

After you turn the lineup in for the next game take the night off.

Mike Bibby

You did a great job tonight. There are fews thing you should know about you new team.

They don’t know how to play defense. They don’t play team ball. Keep the ball away from the big men out on the floor. Sorry, you have to bring it up and run the offense. High school teams make less turnovers. That’s why Billy made the trade for you.

Josh Smith with the ball in his hand is a turnover waiting to happen. He will just stand around the three point line. He (243 PCT) from the three point lines has every team laying off for him to take that shot.

Al will be there every night.

Joe has let the loosing kill his spirit. Some night he will play big like he did tonight.

Mario West is your Artest. He will help you on both ends. 7 points and 5 rebounds in 16 mins. Woodson didn’t know he could play.

ZAZA is SoftSoft. He has to put the ball on the floor right under the basket. He will not go to work inside.

JoshC is a life saver. He will make good plays off missed shots.

Solo will help you on defense by blocking shots and rebounding. Anything you get (2 points) on offense is a plus.

JRich is an all around player with heart. He will get you some points if coach ? would give him some mins. 4 points in 5+ mins.

SS what you see is what you get. When he’s on he lights it up. When he’s off like tonight the lights don’t come on at all. He has to learn to do other things when his shot is not falling. Missing too many shots at the basket to demand more playing time.

If the team can get the defense down to 90 points a night you have a chance to win. you may not see 123 points another night this season. We have a very small chance of winning on the nights the other team scores 117. We have a defense minded coach that has nothing to show for his work after four years. I can’t give you any more excuses. Yes they were young. Yes you needed a point guard. What are you teaching them about defense? I saw Joe Johnson just turn his back on his man like he wasn’t on the floor. We are giving up layup after layup. This double teaming is not working because teams are making these open shots. If you make three passes against the hawks someone will be wild open.

By SalimFan

February 27, 2008 11:49 PM | Link to this

When LeBron had the flu, he played through it. As a matter of fact lebron plays through just about everything. Look at Kobe…………Weak Marvin, Real Weak.

I Like west in that starting lineup such a differenc he make…..

It seems to me that joe is not a spark plug. If other guys dont get going, he wont.

By mykhalc

February 28, 2008 12:29 AM | Link to this

i have officially nicknamed HORFORD…THE BIG CAT…EL GATO GRANDE!!! ROY…PERIOD!!! (pls correct me if my attempt at spanish is incorrect)LOL

i have not watched the game yet, gettin’ ready to do so now. glad we got the win!!

i’ll say it again…BIBBY is cold-blooded…PERIOD!!!

By mykhalc

February 28, 2008 12:56 AM | Link to this

i have officially nicknamed HORFORD…THE BIG CAT…EL GATO GRANDE!!! ROY…PERIOD!!! (pls correct me if my attempt at spanish is incorrect)LOL

i have not watched the game yet, gettin’ ready to do so now. glad we got the win!! can we get 2 in row???

By richbrave

February 28, 2008 7:59 AM | Link to this

El Gato Grande. Correctamundo signour.

By Serge45

February 28, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

I’ve a long-time hawks fan. Fire woody.

By I.MUS WRITE

February 28, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

Way to pull off a much needed win. Okay now can we consider trading Marvin for a pick.

This is really sickening -our #2 pick is being outplayed by an undrafted rookie. I have to give it up to Mario for his hustle and …..HEART,He even did a good job on Artest…… Artest would have manhandled Marvin.

Bibby is definitely the engine that pushes our mustang.Props to horford he always plays like a beast.

Why does Josh camp out at the three pt line all the time -I mean just standing there no movement at all,and how the hell did JJ miss that wide open layup….thats crazy he is not athletic to me at all.. Dam JJ i could have put that one home. Overall good win despite Coach X doing his usual garbage.

By Bertie

February 28, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

I just moved Marvin out of my untradable list.

Josh Childress needs to be on the floor along with Bibby.

By randy

February 28, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

There is no way Marvin should ever get more than 20 minutes a game. He just isn’t good enough and he doesn’t hustle enough. Re-sign Josh and Josh and trade marvin for a ham sandwich.

By dakid

February 28, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

Marvin stinks. Period. And I for one don’t and didn’t care about that 16 per he was giving earlier in the year. He couldn’t start over that dude who went in second round for UNC. Man Childress is a monster on baseline. Horford is everything we needed. No complaints. JJ has to start attacking more.

By DarkRyder

February 28, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

I said it once and I’ll say it again Najeh: EWING THEORY!

Let me put this whole “Trade Marvin” crap to rest once and for all: What GM (outside of former Sixers GM Billy King, who must be BK’s twin) in his right mind would ever, and I mean EEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVEEEEEERRRRRR, trade a first round pick for a player who has no handles, no aggressive moves to the basket, and turns their head on defense as much as the sun rises in the East? Most importantly, no idiot in their right mind would trade that kind of player for a proven commodity like a BIG.

Have any of you ever heard the old saying never trade big for small? So no trade will be a-happenin’. Not because they think so highly of Marvin, who’s better suited for the bench, but because no one will give up anything but spare parts in a deal. Marvin is a great option off the bench should they decide to let Childress go sign elsewhere, a very real possibility after the season.

Interesting quote from Woodson after last night’s game in regards to Bibby: “So I don’t want to screw him up. And I want him to feel free to the point that if he doesn’t like things that I’m doing, hey, he’s got that right to let me know, and we’ll change them.”

It’s obvious he realizes his way does not work and he is doing what most NBA coaches do, and that’s let their floor general dictate the offense. Could be a sign that should they make the playoffs even as an 8th seed Woody will be a lock to stay another year.

By randy

February 28, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

Bibby is a great guy to have on this club, not only can he be a mentor to Law, but he said something last night after the game that I really liked to hear. He basically said: “Every game here on out are very important for us. I am just trying to make all these guys play hard every play.”

Amen Bibby! I don’t know if it is possible to make Marvin play hard, but if the rest of these guys played like Mario West and Horford, Hawks would be above .500. Its hard to teach heart. But I am glad Bibby is the focal point of this team instead of Joe.

By Jo Bling

February 28, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

Well, last night was a clear illustration of what I’ve been trying to say about Josh Smith. He’s a defensive force - the only one we’ve got. But on offense he’s a huge liability. His poor decision-making disrupts our entire offense, and so many of his errant shots turn into points for the other team. He can be a tremendous player if he learns his role. So far he has not, and that’s the coach’s responsibility.

Mario was out of his mind last night. Why did he only play 16 minutes?

Overall, one of the worst defensive performances of the year - even with Marvin out. They’ve got to start giving better effort on the defensive end or they’ll never become a consistent winner.

By Ken Strickland

February 28, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Has anyone besides me noticed how easily Bibby came from the Western conf. and immediately started running our OFF. What does that say about our OFF. If he can figure it out so easily, how difficult must it be for the opposition, who scouts us, to figure it out.

Even with Bibby on board, our basic OFF still isn’t very effective. Our improved play(turnovers not included)is due directly to our much improved 3pt shooting. Bibby’s penetration and outside shooting has created more open 3pt shot opportunities. When the ball goes inside, the turnovers start.

Teams know our PG’s start the OFF by passing to a wing and cutting through. Teams have countered by pressuring our wings and making it difficult for them to get the pass. Watch and see how far out they have to come to get the pass. That’s why JSmith spends so much time on the perimeter hoisting so many last second shots. Woodson’s OFF puts the ball in our BIGs hands and also places the responsibility to penetrate on them instead of the PG’s. Can anyone offer another explaination why our BIGS have so many turnovers and assists, while our PG’s have so few in comparison?

MWilliams doesn’t move well with the ball in his hands. However, he does move well without it and he has a deadly accurate midrange jumpshot. Why doesn’t our OFF take advantage of those strengths? Instead he’s forced to square up with the ball in his hands, and attempt to beat his man off the dribble, which is his weakness? Why isn’t there an OFF set that runs him, without the ball, off picks to free him for uncontested midrange jumpers, or open drives to the basket?

These things are so obvious, yet so nonexistent within Woodson’s mindset, that I find myself becoming repetitive. Man, this team is just a couple of adjustments away from being a very good team. I’d start Richardson and use Marvin and Chills in combinations as PF/SF/SG replacements.

By richbrave

February 28, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

Guys. If you want a big for Marvin I’ll bet Kwame Brown is available. A former #1 for a #2. Fair trade don’t you think? Jus’ kiddin’ Glad you won.

By doc

February 28, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

well they walked the walk for one night. put up or shut up, no time to think of tomorrow for this team. no excuse for lack of effort or intensity. if there is someone not delivering the intensity then sit them and replace him with west who i believe would play a mean center position if asked. to get where they have talked about ALL season long requires everyone to go that hard and if they cant, take them out woody including jj. no time or rest.

love the game of bibby. he does not rest on either side of the ball. he is so much fun to watch with the no look passes which are delivered in trafiic and on a spot. the team can only improve if they learn to keep up with him. he is a gamer and has a great presence on and off the court. great interview monday night on 790 with the stews. the guy is take charge and makes no excuses owning up to anything remotely of his responsibility.

have you noticed most hawks’ players tend to talk in terms of we have to do certain things instead of i need to do certain things thereby spreading the blame instead of taking it on themselves to do it? we wont hear it from bibby the way it seems.

By terrell barron

February 28, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

The Knicks beat Charlotte by 34 last night. When was the last time the Hawks beat the Bobcats by 34, or any team, for that matter.

By Jo Bling

February 28, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

Bibby was terrific last night:

24 points 12 assists 1 turnover

Wow. Can’t remember the last time, if ever, the Hawks had a performance like that at point.

By MsDee

February 28, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

If you guys notice, Marvin plays extremely well when his parents and family are able to watch. Also, Damian Wilkins too plays extremely well when his father & uncle is able to watch him…Marvin played the best game ever as an Pro when against Seattle with over 30 pts. Wilkins too had a great outting over us in overtime with over 30 or 40+ pts. How bout we swap Marvin to Seattle and Wilkins to Atl and see what happens!!

By DarkRyder

February 28, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

doc Bibby has the mentality of a winner, something the rest of the Hawks lack.

MsDee that would make perfect sense if the Sonics weren’t moving to OKC next year. I say they should do the trade and then the Sonics could have Marvin move his family with the team lol.

terrell If the Hawks ever went up by 34 on a team, that lead would be down to 5 within 3 minutes, because Woodson would be quick to milk the clock.

By DarkRyder

February 28, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

doc Bibby has the mentality of a winner, something the rest of the Hawks lack.

MsDee that would make perfect sense if the Sonics weren’t moving to OKC next year. I say they should do the trade and then the Sonics could have Marvin move his family with the team lol.

terrell If the Hawks ever went up by 34 on a team, that lead would be down to 5 within 3 minutes, because Woodson would be quick to milk the clock.

By jhan

February 28, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

Ken, Maybe opposing teams have noticed what you are saying about Marvin & game plan accordingly. Some coaches actually do that!!

I was at the game last night & actually thought for one second that Woody swapped the starters to make a change. After talking with D-Scott at halftime I found out Woody really had no choice in the decision.

I hope a light finally came on for Woody & he realizes sometimes changes HAVE to be made. If what your doing isn’t working - try something different.

I have to say the crowd was going nuts for Super Mario. I kept hearing different versions of “I hope Marvin is watching” from all around my section.

By pablo bosque

February 28, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

yeah it was a genius move to start mario, even though woody’s first reaction was to swap marvin for zaza and go big down low.

another way bibby is affecting the team? as a newcomer he has no bais towards any particular player, witness the fast break alley-oop jams he tossed up for mario and later jeremy richardson.

also the two-man pick and roll he and JJ keep running is so simple that i laugh every time it works. teams will learn very quickly that they can’t double JJ up high and leave bibby open for a 3, and vice versa. JJ is set to explode again offensively, i can feel it.

despite the recent string of losses, i’m still excited to see whether they can squeak into the playoffs. it will come down to chicago and ATL on a dogfight for 8th, mark my words.

oh, and on bibby being a winner, this is true. but horford is a winner from florida days and never seems intimidated, and ditto chillz, who played on a really good stanford team and goes hard to the basket despite being a human string bean. acie can be that kind of guy but his season got derailed by injuries, so give him some time. bibby will help his development astronomically for that matter.

By kwooden1

February 28, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

Great win, probably could have won by a bigger margin, but a win is a win. Starting West was a good idea by Woody, his work during the game was the usual though. Bibby obviously makes a big difference and especially helps Joe. I will standup for Marvin because, even though I know West plays better defense, I believe Marvin, can and will improve his defense. But what Marvin really brings is another guy who gets to the Line. Marvin is showing signs of getting to his potential, but its definitely taking time. You can say the same for JS, he turns the ball over alot, but clearly trys to makeup for it on the defensive end. (That is where Marvin needs to improve) I’m not ready to trade Marvin away, I think he just needs more time to improve. (we don’t ever want K Brown) It really doesn’t matter though, they just need to find away to beat NY.

GO HAWKS!!

By randy

February 28, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

Start Chill and let Marvin be the 6th man. See if that lights a fire under his a$$.

By terrell barron

February 28, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

Goofy was the 6th man in college, I dont see why he cant be the 6th man now. When he starts, he’s the first to hit the bench anyways, so whats the difference.

By I.MUS WRITE

February 28, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

Jo Bling -you couldnt wait for Josh to have a bad game huh? Josh is’nt going anywhere he will be okay. What he really needs is a good coach to tweek his game a little….. Did you forget he put up 30/12 two nights ago to go along with stellar D.

A good coach is gonna keep him off the 3pt line and from going dribble crazy in the open court

If any trades are gonna be made itz Marvin…… Im not raggn on the guy -I actually like him as a person but as a ball player get hiz azz outta twn -I would just cut ties and try to get Diop for him in the off seasson…….. At the beginning of the season I said Chillz would be the odd man out but upon further review -Marvin* The jumper is M.I.A, he rebounds and plays D every 6 games and just doesnt show any kind of HEART or hustle out there.

Josh: This is Mus talking to U- Dude stop all the dribbling and 3pt shooting you are not a guard. Make better decisions,sumtimz you look like you are playing in a rec league. I believe in u yungn -dont let me down

By doc

February 28, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

as the beacon of being ever optimistic and it might hurt on the salim haters … myk? … heh heh, bibby with his arizona pedigree is going to pick up salim’s game as well. fun to see bibby reach over and touch salim after he came off rather than be ignored as he has been so often in the past.

at some point we need defensive players out on the court too, so bring west into the mix earlier and let him play into a bruce bowen type of role. grow up woody and think out of the box man, experiment. it didnt hurt last night.

By MARVIN

February 28, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

Hey yall its Marvin, I read the Blog before last nights game and i got really sick. Jo Bling these guyz are right you should cheer for Josh-my game needs alot of work…..The truth is when im on the court im dreaming of myself as a senior at unc and how i would be dominating,then I wake up and my man just dunked —— Ron Artest really scares me -he’s so big and strong. Itz not my fault yall I rode the bench as a freshman I told Billy I wasnt ready and he said “dont worry about it you’re 6 foot 9 all is well” Seems like the only guys i can dominate are the guys in summer league. I gotta go -im going to cry- this aient fair

By Hawksville Resident

February 28, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

Last night’s game was awesome. I was looking at the remaining schedule for the two teqams ahead of us( NJ and Philly) and it is brutal! I c** 13 guare=anteed loses for both compared to 5 or 6 for us. If we take care of business against the teams we are supposed to beat (ie..NY on Friday) we should make the playoffs.. PLAYOFFS!! And how cool would that be?

By mykhalc

February 28, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

watched the replay on NBALP. in regard to SMOOVE standing on the 3pt line at times, it is by WOODSON’s design, no doubt. the thing that i thought BIBBY said that could improve the offense despite WOODSON is that, the players should ‘circle’ him as he drives ‘cause he is lookin’ to pass. so despite WOODSON’s set (we know he only has ONE) if the players follows BIBBY’s lead then it DOES place them around the hoop.

that always been, at least to me, one of the weaknesses of the team…lack of offensive reboundin’!! and it’s because the players are ALWAYS away from the basket when the shot is taken. so if the players listen to BIBBY then his directions do put the other players in better position when the shot is taken. and that is whether BIBBY takes the shot or passes off. CHILS and EL GATO GRANDE already do this!!! but the other players are slow!!

regardin’ MARVIN, it think it is past time that WOODSON plays with his startin’ lineup. personally, i’d continue to start MARIO and have both CHILS and MARVIN come off the bench. gives the 2nd unit more offense. the 1st unit has enough offense w/o MARVIN. and i’d play ZAZA at the 4 with SOLO at the 5. ZAZA REALLY DOES NOT have the mindset to play the 5…just way to soooooooooft!!!!

and i’ll say it again…bibby is just cold-blooded!!!

By DarkRyder

February 28, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

I can’t believe I’m hearing this. Don’t you all know that Marvin will be starting again on Friday and Mario West will be a DNP-CD?

POLITICS, people, POLITICS! Oh, don’t expect to see much out of Solomon as well.

By mykhalc

February 28, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

DOC, i feel ya my karmic brotha!!!LOL

thses is what i think after havin’ watched SALIM last nite. he is like TOM BRADY!!! he is great and productive when players are NOT in his face. last nite he put tooooo much pressure on himself to produce offensively. but DOC i do think you are right in that BIBBY will have a positive effect on him as he winds down his HAWKS career!!! and in the right situation i have NO DOUBT SALIM will produce!!! unfortunately the one play that WOODSON does run is NOT to SALIM’s strengths!!!

By cp

February 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

I hate to say it but at this point I could care less if Marvin plays or not. Im so dissapointed with him that if we got a good offer for him this summer I would jump on it. The guy has all the tools but that light has not gone off yet and I dont know if it ever will. Mario had a nice game but boy he really has to work on finishing. He missed a few gimmie shots last night. I would like to see Richardson get some more pt and a few more shot attempts. He has a nice game. Maybe BK will wake up and sign him for the rest of the year as he should have last year. We need to get a nice winning streak going since we are going to have a kinda weak schedule.

By doc

February 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

yeah myk, did you see the way he was jawing at garcia .. bad blood or new rivalry after playing together? the guy didnt back down and had a cool sheet eating grin on his face like he was going to take the other guys face if needed. has a bit of an attitude though not cocky and respectful when off the court in the conversation i heard. he had a lot of chances to demean others and wouldnt take the bait.

your boy salim is just as nasty if given the time and confidence. heh heh ;-))

By Astro Joe

February 28, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

What impressed me the most about Bibby’s game last night is that he didn’t shrink from the pressure of his first game in front of home fans. He was on his game from minute 1 of the 1st quarter. Surely he recognizes that he is considered by too many as the team’s savior. Surely he is aware of our franchise-long PG issues. And yet, he entered Philips Arena and immediately owned the place.

I’m on record as saying I’m not a huge fan of the trade. But I was thrilled to see dude play a virtually perfect game in a setting that others may have considered too pressure-filled.

By mykhalc

February 28, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

DarkRyder, i hear ya man. the only thing i can say is DO NOT DOUBT the effect and change a REAL LEADER can make or bring!! BIBBY’s presence changes a lotta things!! WOODSON has ALREADY said it!! now whether WOODSON is truly smart enough to make the changes is a whole other thing!!!???!!! and i think that’s what you are sayin’!!! but i got my money on BIBBY right now!!!

By mykhalc

February 28, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

yeah DOC, the cat is cold-blooded, no doubt!!! and does anybody think it’s a coincidence that MARVIN’s best reboundin’ games have come since BIBBY’s arrival????

BIBBY IS the leader that the HAWKS thought they were gettin’ in JJ. and as much as i luv JJ’s game, he chooses not to lead in the way most VOCAL leaders do!!! no knock, just a fact!!!

there is a reason got all the luv he did when gettin’ traded!!! SACTOWN luvs this cat for damn good reason!!! he LEADS and PRODUCES!!! NOW IF WOODSON WILL ONLY STAY OUTTA HIS WAY!!!

By Atl Flavor

February 28, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

What happened to that STORY??? It was just posted by SS that BK tried to fire Mike Woodson but was turned down by the OWNERS!!! Jacked up to post that story IMO. Guess thats why its goneeee!!!! DAMNNNNN!!!

By Astro Joe

February 28, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

STOP EVERYTHING AND READ SEKOU’S LATEST.

Blog Z, you really put yourself out there with this blockbuster story. BK tried to fire Woody 3 times only to have ownership refuse to pull the trigger? WOW.

OK, where are all of those guys who debated with me when I said emphatically that ownership was at the root of all that smells with this franchise? Step up here guys and get some of this delicious crow that you deserve. You know who you are. Take your medicine.

By JJ

February 28, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

did ya’ll see that article that said billy knight tried to fire woody 3 times but the owners wouldn’t let him. ajc took it down quick.

By doc

February 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

aj, i agree about the long term effect of his coming especially as it may only be really for one year. bibby is quick to say he isnt in game shape on his way and the heel injury has only slowed him down. for the present it might have been better to get some beef and long range gunner for a lesser price and give some wiggle room for this summer. with that said i really have liked his game and still do. i wasnt a fan of the kings during their day being more of a spurs and shaq fan but remember not enjoying seeing the ball in bibby’s hands down the stretch. all one can do is sit back and wonder if you are going to see something you havent seen before or maybe since the pistol. no other hawk guard comes close during my 50 years as a hawks fan.

By doc

February 28, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

aj, i agree about the long term effect of his coming especially as it may only be really for one year. bibby is quick to say he isnt in game shape on his way and the heel injury has only slowed him down. for the present it might have been better to get some beef and long range gunner for a lesser price and give some wiggle room for this summer. with that said i really have liked his game and still do. i wasnt a fan of the kings during their day being more of a spurs and shaq fan but remember not enjoying seeing the ball in bibby’s hands down the stretch. all one can do is sit back and wonder if you are going to see something you havent seen before or maybe since the pistol. no other hawk guard comes close during my 50 years as a hawks fan.

By MARVIN

February 28, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

Astro Joe- you’re not a fan of the trade? What would you have traded for? We needed a good veteran point guard and thats what we got for a bunch of role players and a 2nd round pick. Love that trade all we need is Diop for Duck and a replacement for Mr.x

By mavid

February 28, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Sekou

That is a JUICY article you just posted. We gotta hear more about this! Wow, just Wow.

And by the way, How yall liking this fantasy bball league? I knew it was only a matter of time before the cream rose to the top!

By jeff

February 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Something fishy is going on. Is Sekou being censored for doing his job? That’s the problem with this sports town! So Billy wanted to fire his boy, huh?

By MannyT

February 28, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Astro Joe I saw that then it disappeared!

This gives BK more credibility with me. He had some, but now much more. As for ownership, I am not sure what to say. This makes me more concerned about supporting the team. I wonder if this goes back to Bernie Mullin’s tenure.

Sekou, it’s a great story to break.

Volman I was at game last night. We got the W, but it had the same bipolar elements we often show, just w/o Marvin. Hope the family member gets well soon. I hope to see you on Friday, but not sure if I’ll be there.

By randy

February 28, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Hate to say it, but I agree with Billy Knight for once. But if BK is trying to lay all the blame on Woody, he should take a good, hard look in the mirror. Smells like the stink of incompetence trying to save their jobs. Also, smells like the Spirit rubbing pennies together to save money.

By I.MUS WRITE

February 28, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Okay we can all stop calling for coach X to be fired -looks like Bk already tried and was sent to his room by the ASG…….. These are the worst owners in the game -I guess the ASG are content with Mediocrity……….my god what next

By honest_abe

February 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

last night was how i envisioned bibby helping the hawks. late in the 4th, bibby was creating for others when the hawks rely isolating jj on a wing..

not to be a bk apologist but after reading that article it really makes me wonder how many other times the ASG have rebuffed bk’s recommendations. why do you even have a freaking gm if you’re not even going to allow him to fire the coach. i mean seriously after reading that crap all of us have to wonder who was behind every single draft pick. who really signed speedy. bah mr. gearon is a moron!

By cp

February 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

These owners are a joke. Why even own the team if you are not going to try and get a better coach when everyone in the world knows Mike Knapp is not the right fit. If BK suggest firing Mike Knapp then I know something is going on. I thought he would never want to fire his friend but I guess he saw that the talent was being wasted. Where is David Mc David. I mean somebody .I wish an owner like Arthur Blank would buy this team. I know he would spend the money to try and buld a winner here. This broke group cant even decide where to go to get some gas from.

By MannyT

February 28, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Abe I doubt one person in ownership made that decision. I would guess that it was a split vote. Hopefully, once the Belkin thing is resolved, they can buy out a few more of these folks and/or split the ownership so a few guys get the hockey team and a few others get the hoops squad, but I realize that would be even more messy—who gets the arena!

I go back to what Bill Parcells said and I paraphrased for BK long ago. While you may not like the groceries BK brought in, you at least have to try to cook that style of food.

If he brings soul food, don’t try to teach the pork the rules of kosher living. If he brought you meat and potatoes, don’t tell me about veggie burgers and soy.

Woody needs to let this team run or give up the main seat.

By CRobinson

February 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this

Attempts to fire Woodson failed Hawks GM Knight rebuffed three times by team’s owners

By SEKOU SMITH The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 02/28/08

Hawks General Manager Billy Knight recommended to ownership on three occasions, most recently two weeks ago, that head coach Mike Woodson be fired, two people familiar with the situation told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. That recommendation was rebuffed by team ownership.

Knight last recommended that Woodson be fired and replaced by assistant coach Larry Drew after the team traded for point guard Mike Bibby on Feb. 16 during the NBA’s All-Star Weekend.

Knight declined comment.

Woodson insisted Thursday that he’s never been approached being fired. He was relaxing in his office after practice and said he would be glad to talk about his team and their preparations for tonight’s game against New York at Philips Arena.

Anything related to his job, however, he refused to discuss.

“I’m the coach of this team until someone tells me otherwise,” said Woodson, who has compiled a 91-209 (.303) record since taking over the Hawks before the start of the 2004-05 season. “I’m going to get these guys ready to play and we’re going to keep plugging away at this playoff chase. Because we’re right there.”

The Hawks, 23-32, are currently in ninth place in the standings and a game behind New Jersey for the eighth and final Eastern Conference playoff slot.

Woodson’s job security has become a greater issue since the team’s 9-19 slide to start 2008.

The Hawks own the NBA’s longest playoff drought, eight seasons, and are in a position to control their own destiny for a postseason berth this late in the season for the first time in nine years.

After starting this season with a promising 15-13 record, the Hawks have been unable to maintain any consistency, winning consecutive games just three times since the Christmas.

With every ugly stretch of losses, the calls for Woodson’s head have grown increasingly louder, to the point that the players could no longer ignore them.

“It’s been kind of hard to ignore all the talk because you know in a situation when you’re not winning a lot somebody always has to go, and unfortunately it’s usually the coach,” Hawks captain and All-Star Joe Johnson said. “With that being said, I think everyone agrees that getting Mike [Bibby] in that trade certainly helps us.

“The only bad thing is that we got him right before our West[stern Conference] road trip and that’s a tough spot for anybody to be in. But now that we’ve got a chance to get back home and refocus with everybody on the same page, we have an opportunity to get back on track. And I don’t think there’s any doubt that we’re a team capable of making that push to get to the playoffs.”

Find this article at: http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/hawks/stories/2008/02/28/hawks_0229.html

By Astro Joe

February 28, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

There are MANY who need to be eating crow right about now, with regard to the source of all that smells with this franchise. Step up and get some of this tasty BASG Humble Pie.

And yes, it is quite strange how that article disappeared, almost like a major advertiser called to complain about the content of the article. I hope Blog Z is being sentinto the deep, dark dungeon over on Spring Street.

By ray

February 28, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

Mykhalc and Najeh, nice catch on that article where Woodson pretty much says he’ll defer to Bibby on offensive philosophies. If he’s going to survive, that will one of only a few ways to do it. It’s kind of like a control-freak defensive minded head coach who wants to call ALL the plays, but realizes his quarterback is way ahead of him on offensive concepts. The thing is, Woody has now said it-he MUST live up to those statements from here on out.

I.Mus, just another example that clearly illustrates what some of us have been saying all this time (chuckle…). Some people just want to bash a guy like Smith while not recognizing that he has not been provided with proper leadership this entire time. No “big guys” coach, no veteran swing forward, no good head coach, no veteran starting pg…until now. Bibby will help Josh. Up until now, Josh has only known a couple of things: JJ can’t do it all by himself, Marvin is nowhere near a reliable second option on offense, and more energy is needed.

So, Josh has tried to fast-forward his game (by trying to develop a jumper and dribble-drive by himself) without coaching or veteran help. He has provided energy nearly every time he hits the court. The last guy these youngsters had around to show them anything was Al Harrington. And he wasn’t trying to show anybody anything. He wasn’t a leader.

JJ isn’t a leader, unfortunately. You don’t see him out there talking to his guys constantly. We all know he isn’t nearly vocal enough. He goes out, does his business, and goes to the bench whenever Woodson lets him. And he always does what Woodson says. Bibby is the first true leader we’ve had in quite some time. He is the first guy you hear Woodson say “hey, if you don’t like what I’m doing, just say so and we’ll change it.” When did we ever hear him talk like that to JJ? For those who don’t understand, read these guys’ statments. They all keep saying the same things: “we’ve never had a guy like this here”. From the coach on down to the last player, this team has not had a true leader for quite some time. Now we do. Not to throw cold water on a warm blanket, but I don’t think we’ll get to see the full benefits of that until…you guessed it…next year.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 28, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Wow. Fire Atlanta Spirit. They are the ones keeping this clown Woodson around? For all the s** Billy Knight takes, and he deserves a lot of it, he’s probably the best side of the Hawks’ Terrible Triangle of ASG, Woody, and Billy. At least he’s managed to accumulate some talent, and at least he realizes that Woodson is holding back this team. And when he tries to make the obvious move to make this team better, the Spirit shoot it down? The Spirit needs to be blown up. Seriously. Call the mujahideen. Great article Sekou.

By mykhalc

February 28, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

Sekou, great article and JOE great save on the link!!!! hey, it just confirms that we are ALL NOT stupid and uninform here on the blog!!!

the BASG are feelin’ freakin’ sorry for WOODSON ‘cause they KNOW that they have NOT given him a COMPLETE set of tools to work with!!! unfortunately WOODSON is the same regardless of the tools…IMHO!!!

By kevin

February 28, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

this explains sekou’s bad mood the other day. Frustration because BK is trying to do the right thing, and can’t. To me it sounds alot more like BK is not really the problem. The problem is the coach is not doing what he is supposed to be. BK has brought talent. The hawks are really a serviceable center and a few roleplayers away from a very good team, and marvin and zaza should be able to bring those things this summer. Look for chillz to move to the starting lineup and for marvin and zaza to bring us the starting center that can contribute. I think jrich will be resigned and will play the bench 3 role.

By JimKing

February 28, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

The article that was taken down from AJC was very juicy indeed. For many reasons now I can understand why the team has made decisions like they have for so long. Keeping good players around will end up costing the ASG money, so instead keep shipping them out before contract years. If this has been the trend that you cant help but ask yourself, whats going to happen this summer?? Smith and Chills need the extensions. Bibby must come back and at least finish his contract with us. JJ is off next year. Big money is about to be flying around but from what it seems the ASG does not want to shed it out. Woodson now is familiar with his position of trying to be ousted off the throne but knows he is safe because of ownerships strangle hold. There is no doubt in my mind that Drew would do a MUCH MUCH better job at coaching these guys.

One thing that I have to say is that our team is a lot deeper on the bench than Woodson is giving them credit for. I personally only get to watch a handful of games throughout the year, mostly Nets/Knicks games as well as NBA Package from time to time. Solomon is much stronger than last year, he has filled out his body and looks confident. With more time I truly feel he could be a pretty valuable player at the 5 with horford and smith moving over. Marvin needs to sit his a** on the bench because we are a versatile and fast team without him dragging them down. What I saw from last nights game was a team that can beat you in a multitude of ways. Fast breaks, deep range from All-Star players, gritty nasty players like Horford, Bibby, West, Smith when he feels like it. Up until last night I was a firm believer in Marvin coming around one day and being that #2 pick type player, but Im off that wagon now. He would be great off the bench, possible candidate for 6th Man next year. Childress brings more to the table as well as West and JRich.

Game last night was interesting because it tested their fortitude. They got punched in the mouth in the second quarter and came back strong. Bibby brought this grind it out play and is already improving this teams knowledge for the game. Bibby is an assasin with ice in his veins. I have been a huge fan of his game for years now and couldnt be happier that he is here. Rejuvination for him.

Woodson beware, your days are numbered.

Marvin beware, your PT is diminishing. Keep being sick and watch this team soar.

Bibby do the business. JJ stay focused.

Smith find that nastiness and bring it every night. Best GameChanger in the NBA.

Solomon needs a breakout game.

Im back….

By Astro Joe

February 28, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

BK is likely gone. No way he keeps his job and likely, he has something to do with this extremely “inside information”.

Bad draft picks? Sure.

But I know I’m feeling VERY vindicated about my position for the last 2+ years.

And to think, some were determined to place al blame at the feet of an employee. I guess those same people are still blaming Rumsfeld and Collin.

By ray

February 28, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

Astro Joe,

This is very interesting and mind-changing information indeed, if it is true. However, before the smugness sinks in too deeply: 1)Lots of people, probably almost all of us here, have complained daily about the ownership group and their issues. This point was not lost on anybody. 2) It only makes sense that Billy attempt to fire Woody for two reasons: he doesn’t fit the system, and as I pointed out a couple of blogs ago (and I think many people missed this), Billy is known as a player’s GM, not a coach’s GM. There are actual quotes in articles that testify to this. I was looking for Billy to cut him loose at the end of the season. Plus, Billy would have a chance to save his own bacon by saying “see, I traded for a very good pg, AND got rid of a very bad coach.” Am I insinuating that somehow Billy schemed this all up and he’s still a dumba$$? No. I’m saying this all fits together, whether you like the way it fits or not.

3)This presents no real evidence that Billy was told to draft the guys he drafted. Let us not forget, however, that the whole time Billy was making the mistakes that were made, Bernie Mullin was in his position. I’d be willing to believe that Mullin is somehow responsible for much of this, but have to wonder if the ownership group itself had much to do with it. If they did, then why cut Mullin loose? I suggested a conspiracy theory (when it was announced that he was leaving) that Mullin might be a direct link to problems in the front office. I’m not the only one to question it.

I’m afraid the humble pie will have to sit there. Again, most of us have complained (Doc one of the most notable ones) about ownership. Even the most ardent Billy haters have mentioned that ownership is responsible for retaining him (if he is to be held responsible for the things that are clearly his responsibility: such as who gets drafted). Unless of course, you wish to say or maintain that Billy is utterly innocent in all that has gone wrong. Again, evidence to support this theory is needed, or else it’s just another theory chosen by those who wish to believe it (like everything else that has no evidential support).

Billy trying to fire Woody three times definitely speaks in Billy’s favor. No doubt about it. If you want to get into the detailed version, you must ask yourself why…and who he would replace that person with…and again…why?

By terrell barron

February 28, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

Hawksville, did you look at Indiana, Chicago. and Milwaukee’s? They’re right behind us. Pretty weak. Hey Clyde, you still want to fire B.K.?

By A Thinking Fan

February 28, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

BROKEN SPIRIT AT WORK BEHIND THE SCENE!

By terrell barron

February 28, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

So BK actually knew that CP3 and Deron were going to be All Star’s, but the ASG told him to take Marvin instead because it would’nt cost much to keep him after his Rookie contact ended. Same with Sheldon.

By mykhalc

February 28, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this

CAUTION…BROKE A$$ SPIRIT GROUP at work!!!

By Sautee

February 28, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

If Billy Knight had REALLY wanted to fire Woodson, he would have had the b*lls to tell the BASG “Fire him or I’ll quit and tell the world why!” You notice he still has his “position”.For now.

By mykhalc

February 28, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this

so NOW the BASG has pigeoned-hole themselves even more in the sense that they could have looked at DREW’s performance for half a season and had a head start for next season!! sooooooo does this lack of action mean a NEW contract for WOODSON???? or does it mean that they are willing to get an experienced HC that is NOT on the staff right now???? BASG at work or maybe NOT!!!

By drmaryb

February 28, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

Hey RichBrave

I told you man, the first time I got on here I told everybody what the real problem was. I told you guys the ASG was pulling all the strings. I knew it when Bernie left that there was a lot of in-fighting going on.

I told you clydes and astro joe’s to stop that fire everybody chanting.

I specifically said that BK was doing what he was told to do and that Woody was playing who he was told to play. The ASG is hiding behind these guys while they take all the heat! I guess it is just a matter of time before Woody is gone…he clearly is not the right coach for this type of team! No one is buying into his system whatever that is!

But don’t just blame the GM and Coach and the kids Blame Everybody

By Nookah

February 28, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

By Nookah

February 27, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this I posted this yesterday and obviosly this is what has been keeping us back all along. It’s not going to get bet until this situation is resolved.

**Guys,

Who on earth is going to come here to coach this franchise with this ownership situation in place? ASG has to take a large part of the blame. Look, it’s like any other organization in the real world, if the head of the stream is dirty then what do you think will flow down?

Come on guys place the blame squarely where it should be. I’m not saying our players should be completely exhonerated but ASG has to get their house in order. Until they do that they will not be able to attract any good free agents and or coaches. JJ was an abberation.

As a Hawks fan I feel tortured.

Come on Spirit, get Belkin to the table, settle the dispute by any means necessary, then fire Billy and Woody and get someone Drew. Sorry that’s a fau paux, I meant new.**.

Nuff respect!!!!

By jami$$ion

February 28, 2008 7:41 PM | Link to this

It has finally been confirmed.BK has had his hands tied in everything from trades 2 draftpicks 2 firing Woody.And 2 assemble a team with this talent & see it ran into the ground & not seeing your vision come 2 fruitation is insult 2 injury.BK has been trying 2 fire this clown 4 2 years.It’s time we give BK his props & put the blame on this team where it belongs,these punk azz owners!Who telling what other deals BK has been vetoed on.The man can’t even do his job,&this y BK kept Drew 2 replace Woody

By terrell barron

February 28, 2008 8:15 PM | Link to this

I told yall all along that BK had his hands tied behind his back. Now we realize why he kept Drew around. The ASG should be ashamed of themselves.

By Astro Joe

February 28, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this

Ray, you’re right. There are so many teams that have successfully built themselves into playoff contenders exclusively by drafting and maintaining a bottom 3 salary. Oh and throw in the inability to change out a coach who has reached his peak (at about 35 wins a season) and that certainly should result in easy success for any GM. I stand corrected. He’s had the same opportunity to correct his mistakes as every other GM in the league. You’re right. No handcuffs on that afro.

By jami$$ion

February 28, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this

I’m born & raised in the A& I’m tired of seeing these negativeposts about the team put the blame where it belongs,Plenty of teams want Smoove,but u ficklefans hate his game,why?Do u tell Lebron or our beloved JJ 2 stop shooting 3s no but,Smoove 3pct is better than theirs.U guys complain about chills.Both Iggy & Deng r 1st options & avg like 3 points more, & the kicker is chills ain’t even a option.Until u people can come with some logical helpfulresponses on my team don’t say JACKSH!T

By cp

February 28, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this

For some reason my comment was not posted but oh well. The wild thing about it all is that BK tried to fire Woodson not once or twice but 3times. I thought he would never fire his friend but rather let his contract run out but this new info just goes to show what a lot of us have been saying for a long time . It just aint Woody and BK but the owners too. Whoever said it earlier was right, what proven respectible coach will want to come here to coach in this mess. ONLY IN ATLANTA.

By Samuel

February 28, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this

You know most of us(me included) have really gotten our “rocks off” bashing BK but I have to admitt i’ve always had in the back of my mind that he couldn’t have been that stupid. How else can you explain drafting the “williams Brothers”(no,not my boys the gospel ledgends from Mississippi). These new revelations confirm that.

Put a transition-oriented coach with the team we got now and we are a pretty good squad.

Hang in there CUZ

By drmaryb

February 28, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this

Hey Ray

I loved your post re: Starvin-Marvin’s but is stuck out so far it can committ a foul all by itself! ha ha ha - that was so funny man! I love the visual on that thur’. I wish more people had that type of humor on here! The Hawks will be fine…remember these kids average age is 23 yrs. (College Senior Ages)

I don’t like attacking people though (except for Bernie Mac - type laughs) but the players game is definitely under scrutiny and fair game. I’m just sayin - if you want to cash them checks you should take the heat too!

Hey - it’s a hard knock life! Marvin can land on his BUTT if all else fails - right?

Remember the Arsenio Hall skits on SNL back in the day? The 12” index finger and the big-butt fat suit

You could put a table cloth on that thing and pull up a chair set your wine glass on it and have some shade left over to cool off your feet!

But - I like big butts and I can not Lie….Marvin’s got Back!!
Now, If we can just find a Coach who can sit his but on that bench and put him in at the right time & not one minute too soon!

By ILL-logical

February 28, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this

The onus is on David Stern here: he put this group together and to date has not intervened in a situation that is clearly out of hand-in the nation’s 8th largest media market.

Mike Gearon was less than stellar in his first go around-it was a tax write off. Now it seems like the real deal is the use of the appearance of a sports franchise to off set profits from some other sources.

At any rate, something is rotten in Atlanta.

By ray

February 28, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

drmaryb, do you suppose you’re the only one or even the first? For starters, Astro Joe has maintained that Billy has been doing as he was told for a VERY long time. So have others.

Astro Joe, my only disagreement has been that Billy is totally absolved of anything that has happened here. That’s all. I think pretty much all of us have agreed that ownership is ultimately responsible and have been running a broken situation. I continue to believe in the Bibby trade. Lord only knows why we couldn’t do it earlier. I’m not sure about Knight not being able to keep his job (if that was what you were saying). Seems to me like he showed a great deal of loyalty when the ownership situation came to a head. Then again, you never know. Funny thing is, it was Bernie Mullin who kept saying that Billy’s hands weren’t tied and that he could make any deal he wished. I’m not ready to lay the blame solely at HIS feet, but you have to wonder how much a part of the problem he really was…if at all. And you have to wonder what the detailed reasons were for the ASG letting him go…besides trimming payroll. I don’t feel like we’ll get enough of the truth here…if we get any at all.

By drmaryb

February 28, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

Hey People

I hate to say it - but I told you exactly what Sekou reported today three weeks ago. But since I was the new kid on the block - I caught the rath of all the old cats thats been posting on here for the last 55 years B.B.E (Before Blog Era)

I was the bad chick for seeing through the Fire Billy Fire Woody crap! and you people wonder why Billy doesn’t talk to the village idiots! Hell, I wouldn’t talk to most of you emotional dumb-asses either. If you cats had any money - you wouldn’t have time to post on here.

Most of the haters probably weigh 300lbs and eat Hamburgers for a living! Those are the losers who want’s everybody FIRED! (see clyde and cp, et. al.) I wonder if maybe they don’t have a JOB and are mad because Billy and Woody do!

If the GM and Coach are so stupid - then why don’t you go over there and replace them …go over to Phillips Arena and hand out pink-slips! And YOU be the GM & Coach - that’s right - i thought so! (You ain’t got no car!) Then maybe, you will know what it’s like to have a Job with no Power or Authority! Meanwhile the bills are due? Would you bankrupt your family or just take the money and run! I have never seen a Black Coach making millions up & quit his job!

That only happens on Wall-Streeet!

By mykhalc

February 28, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this

Sekou, just curious if the article has actually been pulled or scheduled for publication at a later date, ie tomorrow??? i seem to remember we hit you up about another article that appeared and then disappeared, only for it to show up the followin’ day. surely there is no censorship, right!!!!;o)

By mykhalc

February 28, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this

Sekou, just curious if the article has actually been pulled or scheduled for publication at a later date, ie tomorrow??? i seem to remember we hit you up about another article that appeared and then disappeared, only for it to show up the followin’ day. surely there is no censorship, right!!!!;o)

By mykhalc

February 28, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

let’s see…we traded 4 players and have replaced them with 2 players??!!?? ok???!! then i can see why the BASG haven’t fired WOODSON yet…if we are gonna play short-handed, might as well do it with the coachin’ staff too!!!! this franchise is a joke!!! and it’s sad ‘cause i’ve been a HAWKS fan for years but ownership really is an embarassment!!!

By mykhalc

February 28, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

let’s see…we traded 4 players and have replaced them with 2 players??!!?? ok???!! then i can see why the BASG haven’t fired WOODSON yet…if we are gonna play short-handed, might as well do it with the coachin’ staff too!!!! this franchise is a joke!!! and it’s sad ‘cause i’ve been a HAWKS fan for years but ownership really is an embarassment!!!

By mykhalc

February 28, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this

i promise you cats i know how to hit the post key once!!LOL last nite you couldn’t post…now double posts!!?? must be tied to ownership!!!??!!

By drmaryb

February 28, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this

Hey Mykhalc

Stop double posting - it makes you lose credibility. You don’t get double credit for double posts! duuuh!

By drmaryb

February 28, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Can somebody please call David McDavid maybe he’s still interested in owning a sports franchise!

By mykhalc

February 28, 2008 9:46 PM | Link to this

drmaryb, hate to tell ya but the only thing NEW you have brought to this blog is your energy and sign-on!! that’s it…PERIOD!!!