Hawks

By DarkRyder

February 21, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

Thanks Sekou as always you are on top of things.

I have a feeling (must be the Force) that tells me BK realizes that they need help down low. At this rate Atlanta needs bodies.

By 30318 Resident

February 21, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Won’t matter. Woodson will kill this team.

By JerryWest

February 21, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

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By I.MUS WRITE

February 21, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

Okay we can exhale now…thanx for the info SEKOU.

By Traceman

February 21, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

Whew! Thanks for the update Sekou. The young fella was not perfect last night but he is starting to show signs of being the guy that most of us think he can be.

By JerryWest

February 21, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

He should wear elbow pad and wrist pad on his right hand for the rest of his career.

By ray

February 21, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

DadgummitSekou! I just posted on the last blog! You quick little……I love you man (and no, I’m not trying to get your Bud Light). Glad to know Law has no broken bones. He better learn to fall better than that…

Seriously, I was trying to post before all the self-proclaimed prophets, one-time bloggers, and other riff raff invaded. Oh, and then there’s the philosopher….sheeesh.

By 34 double d's

February 21, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

From the last Post- Ray why dont U shut your freakn mouth….here let me help u put one of my tata’s in there 34 double d’s - thats a mouth full now shut up already

By Ben

February 21, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

“but I’ve had no confirmation that they were able to get it done”

Wow, good job once again Billy! Waiting until the deathly road trip to finally make a move, now we are playing like !@#$ and don’t have a healthy PG (LOL good luck Salim starting tomorrow and guarding Baron. Watch Baron go for 190) and this clown I guess is going into hibernation since the Mission Is Complete

By Mr. Intangibles

February 21, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

Frequent and longtime reader but first time poster on your blog Sekou. Any update on the minor trade? People need to give this team at least a few more games before passing judgement on the Bibby trade and our playoff prospects…we are in the East. However, we have to get this ship steered in the right direction quickly!

By MikeJones

February 21, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

What a minute… People care?? This team is going to return home on a 9 game losing streak at 21-33. 12 games under .500!! And if the 8 seed and getting swept out of the playoffs by Boston saves either woody or billy knight then WE DO NOT WANT IT.

By preston

February 21, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this

Back by popular demand it’s “The Woody Woodpecker Show!!!!! Last nights episode of “The Woody Woodpecker Show, saw ole Woody nabbed in an undercover sting operation entitled, “To Catch A Predator”. Woody apparently had been engaged for months with undercover agents in a scheme to get his hands on highly classified material known as, “How To Coach An NBA Team”. When apprehended in the scheme, a bug-eyed Woody claimed that he thought that he was meeting with agents to receive B12 injections in his butt to make it look bigger…he later confessed when he was shown irrefutable evidence from the past four years, which proved his gross ineptitude. Woody apologized, and stated that he had resorted to such measures because he became frustrated over continually dropping his etch-a-sketch pad during games, and erasing the one play he had painstakingly worked on. Boris Diaw was subpoenaed by the feds, and said that he was willing to go to congress and testify under oath to help solidify the case against Woody. In a move reminiscent of his bitter trade to the Clippers, an angry Dominique Wilkins was sent to retrieve Woody from the authorities, after he was released on his own recognizance. A background check later revealed that Woody had also falsified his coaching resume by claiming to hold the world record for eating 60 hotdogs in ten minutes…..a stunned Billy “BK- Home Of The Whopper” Knight said that he was very disappointed to learn that Woody was not the record holder, and that he would immediately remove all references of the record from the team handbook.

By MannyT

February 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

There is roster space for a 10 day PG (and big man) from the D-League. If nothing else, it’s another body for practice while Bibby elevates his heel, Law elevates his wrist, and Speedy elevates his knee.

This reminds me, did anyone hear the chatter on how good the Suns medical team is? They got Shaq back on the court faster than Miami ever could. Grant Hill has been healthier than usual. They also got credit for resurrecting Antonio MyDyess’s career.

Sounds like that staff is who we need to trade for right about now.

By I.MUS WRITE

February 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

With the trade Cleveland has an overload at the 4/5…….Maybe we could do a Chillz/Salim or Marvin/Salim

for Biz Z or either Varajeo

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 21, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

A “minor deal” that would help the Hawks a lot — Darrell Armstrong and Jamaal Magloire for Salim Stoudamire and Zaza Pachulia. I don’t know how salaries match up, and I’d be amazed if anyone is willing to offer more than my previously mentioned offer of a bag of weed for Zaza, but it would definitely be worth it for the Hawks. Add some muscle inside and resolve your current point guard depth problem.

By Sekou K. Smith

February 21, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

My spies tell me the Hawks were involved in talks with Denver, swapping Salim Stoudamire for Von Wafer. But it didn’t happen. Portland swooped in and sent Taurean Green to Denver for Wafer instead. Wafer would have been just another body. But Green, that’s a point guard safety net that would serve this team well right now. Oh well, the deals that don’t get done always involve more intrigue than the ones that do get finished.

By Steve T

February 21, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

I have one thing to say, they need to find more PT for Richardson. The Guy can shoot and the Hawks need a player that they shoot.

By ugaman

February 21, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

Sekou,

Thanks for the quick update. I posted this on the last blog right before you updated this one. I wanted to repost to see what everyone else thought about my suggestions. I’d also like to know your thoughts and whether or not it works salary wise. if not, after watching the Hawks these past couple of nights, what is your prognosis?

Thanks DarkRyder. Yes, I do have some frustration that I needed to vent after last night. Now that I got that off my chest, I’ll list what I think would be prudent moves by the Hawks at this venture:

Fire Woodson and find a young, up and coming assistant somewhere that has shown himslef to be creative with rosters: Rick Carlysle comes to mind.

Trade Marvin & Salim to the Grizzlies for Mike Miller. (Miller is a spot up shooter like Marvin, but will shoot from three point land, Marvin doesn’t have that range. Salim does, but is a nightmare on defensive matchups, which Miller could alleviate. You pretty much replace both Marvin & Salim with Miller)

Trade Josh Smith to New York for David Lee & Renaldo Balkman. (I know, Josh’s athletic ability & upside is huge, but he doesn’t play smart and turns the ball over too often, not to mention attitude problems. He also plays terrible position defense and if he can’t block the shot, then he is too often irrelevant on defense) Lee and Balkman are hustle players who are smart. Start Lee at center with ZaZa backing him up and Balkman can back up Horford at the four. Then you have Horford, who reminds me of a poor man’s athletic Tim Duncan matching up well and dominating other PF’s in the east, & Lee filling up the stat sheet with rebounds, blocked shots (not as much a Josh, however), assists, great position defense and consistency.

After this, my rotation looks like this:

PG: Bibby/Law/West SG: Johnson/Richardson/West SF: Miller/Childress/Johnson PF: Horford/Balkman/Solo C: Lee/ZaZa/Solo

Now that, my friends, is a team with skill and heart that consists of shooters and rebounders (dirty work guys). I’d take this anyday of the week if the salary figures worked out. What does everyone else think?

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 21, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this

Josh Smith for David Lee and Renaldo Balkman?

Why not just include Joe Johnson for Nate Robinson and Mardy Collins while we’re at it?

By smartguy

February 21, 2008 7:34 PM | Link to this

Najeh, you’re one of my faves. Keep up the good work.

Acie, do your best despite the goon of a coach. Hopefully he will be gone sooner rather than later. We still believe in you.

WOODY SUCKS WOODY SUCKS

By Jay

February 21, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this

I think I understand why you put “uga” in your name after reading your trade proposals.

By anphill2

February 21, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this

Now we can finally see why Woody has kept the best offensive guard on the bench for 2+ seasons.

When will Solo move ahead of Zaza on the depth chart? The 06-07 season was a long time ago.

I say ship him out for a 6’7 wing who can jump out the gym, but I would settle for a guard who doesn’t have a jump shot.

By ugaman

February 21, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this

OK, Lee may not be the “sexy” pick, but he is truly an up-and-coming player who will be a difference maker in the league. Take a look at the following link from ESPN and you will see that I am not the only one who thinks so.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/blog/index?name=simmons&entryDate=20080220 For those who “know” basketball, you appreciate the smarts Lee plays with, just like Horford (funny thing is they both went to Florida). No, he may not make the “spectacular” plays that JS makes, but at the end of the year, he will make less than a quarter of the mistakes, block out and rebound,and be all around more productive the Josh on both sides of the floor. He won’t take bad shots and will work to set up his teammates in good position. When the Knicks beat the Hawks, Lee was instrumental because he played fundamental basketball, unlike most of our frontcourt players. It’s like this, would you rather keep a taller Horford, or a Josh Smith. yes, it’s a hard decision and you give up a lot, but I’d take consistency and unselfishness over raw talent with attitude any day.

By Gypsyjoe

February 21, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

Could Flip Murray help us.The pistons are going to buy him out because they got Juan Dixon

By SalimFan

February 21, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this

Glad to hear about Acie. I was worried when I heard that he had a history with broken writs before this incident.

And the deadline has passed so you can all stop talking about trading certain peole on the team.

Anyway there has to be one or two quality free agent point guards out there.

By jami$$ion

February 21, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this

As usual I have 2 display my critique.A Sekou,since the trade deadline has come & gone,we want 2 know,what’s the probability of us getting a new coach,whose the candidates,& who do u like 4 the task?I myself like Hubie our players a thrive in his T E A M concept & he likes our team.Marc Jackson a be tough on these guys 2.3rd choice Westpaul good O just no D.JVG,Larry Brown,Carlise would’nt work,they lack offensive knowledge.Clev trade good 4 them & bulls.Lebron just got stronger,but i like our starters more

By jami$$ion

February 21, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

David Lee goodplayer, fundementally sound ,great d,star no,clutch no,exciting no,role player yes.And that’s y this trade is utterly absurd.Same reason our rebuilding process is stagnate.Instead of building around a elite big,point,or star swing man.We built around a good role player & expected a follower 2 be a leader.It’s like a wiseman can play a fool,but a fool can’t play a wiseman.KOBE used 2 be like Josh extreme talent wanted 2 b DAMAN.Eddie Jones,Ceballos hatedhim.Years later da hotshot’s dabest in it

By richbrave

February 21, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this

ugaman:

Watching the Wizards play the Knicks I thought Lee would be a good pick for the Hawks. Hustle, fair ability offensively, defense, that’s the ??

Rahim?? (Dude with the pony-tail hair) didn’t play, at least I didn’t see him. Think he’s temporarily on the shelf.

By ray

February 21, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this

34 double d’s, it must really hurt when the shoe fits, huh? Or in your case, the bra….And by the way, 34 double D tatas aren’t very impressive when your gut sticks out further than your tatas do. Dang, is that a steering wheel your huggin’ or did you get your navel pierced? Heh…

Preston, you’re killing me with that Woody Woodpecker show stuff, LOL! You ain’t right man, you just ain’t right. You know, I think you have another suspect in the illegal butt injection of B12…Marvin Williams. Dude walks like he’s got something in there that just ain’t supposed to be there…hell, you’d think he’d use that caboose to post up more. Al Jefferson does…I’m just sayin’….

By cp

February 21, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this

I was thinking about this earlier, I might not be able to word it quite the way I want but if anybody catches on to what im saying and can put it in better words feel free to do it. I think with Woodson is that he has a routine he likes and does not like to disrupt it. That is why we see the same silly substitution patterns. Lets say Marvin knocks down two jumpers and gets a foul. You look up and you already see Chill getting ready to come in. Look at Richardson last night. He played him in the first half but he has his routine so in the second half you dont see him. Or when we get a lead by running you see Woody slow down the pace. It is like he has a book or something that tells him when to do certain things at certain times instead of going with whats working. It is like when he played Ivey 2 minutes and sat him down. Mike Knapp is too afraid to get away from his regular routine to try something different or stick with the hot hand. There is no reason Richardson should have been on the bench the entire second half when other guys were not producing and we needed someone to stretch the defense. Well I didnt quite put it in the words i wanted but like i said if someone can put it into better words please do so.

By preston

February 21, 2008 11:18 PM | Link to this

what’s up ray- lol…I know that I aint right man, but Woody has dug his own grave….he picked out his plot, bought the shovels, and did all of the work for himself, and it has gotten sad, I stayed up to watch both of these last 2 games, and for what? To watch the team get beat both times…..absolutely destroyed by the lakers. It really has become a circus, and I am just contributing to the madness!!!!

By StevenKL

February 21, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this

Thought the Hawks were gonna show something after getting Bibby. Now it looks like they’re gonna be 0 for the road. I don’t see any W’s coming in the next 3 games and I think that if they lose at home Woodson will be out and maybe BK not far behind.
Looks like 35 W’s may be all the Hawks are good for this year and 9 yrs(?) without a spot in the playoffs.
This looked like trash talk in a fantasy league instead of a blog about the Hawks. And not very intelligent at that either. Smarten up and play nice.

By preston

February 21, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

cp- I feel you….Woodsons’ routine is rather obvious to us all…. I even voiced those same sentiments in the previous blog earlier today-

By preston

February 21, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

Wiley Coyote- I would not annoint Richardson as the savior of the hawks either…..but why not ride a guy who seems to have his shot going better than anyone else? That is the thing that gets me with Woody, there is no deviation from his script…….a guy like Richardson can come in off the bench and score in bunches when we need it the most, and all Woody will do is pull the guy after he has played his minutes, and pat him on the back, and we will not see the guy again for the game…..and this is one of the things that is killing the hawks….Woody just does not come up with anything other than “Plan A”………everybody knows who takes the last shots in games for the hawks…….and Joe Johnson can be blindfolded, hopping along on crutches, with his shooting arm in a sling…..and guess what……..Woody would still give him the ball to take the last shot!

By one- time blogger

February 21, 2008 11:29 PM | Link to this

The next three teams we play are all title contenders. If we lose one more game we’ll be 10 games under 500. Goodbye playoffs, hello nba draft.

By terrell barron

February 21, 2008 11:38 PM | Link to this

Trade deadline was at 3:00 Why are we still discussing trades?

By Professor

February 21, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this

Is Earl Boykins still available? Isnt he a free agent? I love JR’s game. He already is clearly the 2nd best player behind JC coming off the bench. He looks like a more athletic Marvin Williams for some reason to me. I don’t wanna panic yet with these Hawks. They are young and might need this road trip to gel. They were not playing that great on the road this year anyway. When we get back home maybe we can catch fire and go on a run. The Hawks always seem to catch fire late in the season(in the past we would mess up our draft position,lol). Remember we traded 4 guys for just 1 so we just have to be smart and fill the roster with some quality players like JR and we should be fine in the East.

By terrell barron

February 21, 2008 11:48 PM | Link to this

CP, its because HE’S A FREAKIN IDIOT! Enough said.

By Angry Tim

February 21, 2008 11:51 PM | Link to this

I think Steve Smith would be a very good coach for us. He has seen all of our games for the last few years, and he could help us offensively in ways that Woody couldn’t dream of. JUST PLEASE, FIRE WOODY!

By whiz kid

February 22, 2008 12:25 AM | Link to this

All of Bobby Knight’s former players are terrible NBA coaches.

By CJ

February 22, 2008 12:55 AM | Link to this

I’m back..the Hawks finally have a competent roster after 9 long years…now we need a competent coach.

By mykhalc

February 22, 2008 12:55 AM | Link to this

fellas, checkin’ in while on the road.

first, tell MARK BRADLEY to stop stealin’ from our posts!!!! i mean, dude is gettin’ paid to come up with his own original $hit, right!!???

also I.MUS you are on point about JAMAL TATUM bein’ the perfect 10 day!! the cat balled in camp and actually should have gotten SALIM’s spot!!!

cap relief on the way…ZAZA $4mil/year…SALIM $783k/yr…things to look forward to at season’s end!! cheaper and better replacement for ZAZA. JRICH keeps SALIM’s spot. seems like he already has it anyway!!

AND…

NO MORE WOODSON!!!! he’s gotta go and better be gone…PERIOD!!!

oh yeah…book my SHELDEN 10/8 prediction with the KINGS!!

By ray

February 22, 2008 2:13 AM | Link to this

cp….naw, you pretty much said it. Layman’s terms are always the clearest.

Mykhalc, I’ll owe you yet another cold one if you’re right!

By mykhalc

February 22, 2008 2:32 AM | Link to this

BIG RAY, i did not get to see the entire game but the little i did see of SHELDEN he ALREADY looks like he’s exorcised his WOODSON demons!!!!

and the sad thing is RAY, when ZAZA and SALIM leave, they’ll look good too in another uni!!!!

i’m really glad that we got BIBBY. but i think it’s REALLY unfair that this franchise looks for him to come and save the F’n day!!! if the team does not make the playoffs (and their play right now sure does NOT entitle them to be there) then this season can be blamed on ALL three levels mgmt…ownership, GM, and HC…PERIOD!!! but the BRAINLESS WONDER will STILL gets most of my blame!!! his X’s and O’s are really ?’s and !’s (for a visual…think the HUH/blink emoticon and WTF shocked emoticon)!!!! that’s what’s in the play-PAGE!!

By Casey

February 22, 2008 2:34 AM | Link to this

Exactly what do Woodson and all of you here think would happen if the Hawks played Stoudamire at point guard? How the hell is he not a point guard? Please explain that one. He played 4 years a point guard at Arizona, which has produced Bibby and a lot of other good point guards over the years. Do you actually think the Hawks would be worse with Salim at point than they are now?

I CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS NONSENSE!

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 22, 2008 5:09 AM | Link to this

“Do you actually think the Hawks would be worse with Salim at point than they are now?”

Yes.

Point guards are supposed to pass the ball.

It’s not that I don’t like Salim. I like him for what he is, which is a guy who can come in and give you 10-15 minutes of instant offense when you need it. But the fact still remains that he is a horrible defender and plays 1-on-5 every time he touches the ball. That hasn’t changed since he was in college. Maybe with better coaching he will become a better player, but when you come into the league with ZERO point guard instincts you are not gonna morph into Steve Nash just with some better coaching.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 22, 2008 5:17 AM | Link to this

Also, Salim did not play point guard in college. Jason Gardner and Mustafa Shakur played point. Salim was the shooting guard, even then.

By SalimFan

February 22, 2008 5:40 AM | Link to this

ACTUALLY Salim DID sshare point guard duties occasionally at some point in EVERY SINGLE ARIZONA GAME HE PLAYED IN. Don’t try to argue with me on this point you’ll lose trust me im right about this one. He dribbled the ball up-court more times than shakur did on average.

The only thing shakur did was dribble the ball at the top of the key while salim ran off his double screens for his jumpshot.

Salim is also a VERY GOOD PASSER. Anyone who really pays attention to his game would know that.

The hawks have played salim at the point when the bench has been depleted. I really do not see the problem if he has to do it for a game or two. At least he’ll get some playing time.

I CAN’T WAIT TILL NEXT SEASON WHEN HE’S TORCHING THE HAWKS ON ANOTHER TEAM.(I’m hawks a fan but salims earned that right with all this pine time woodys given him)

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 22, 2008 5:53 AM | Link to this

Salim is a “very good passer” in the same way that Josh Childress has a “very pretty jumpshot” and the same way Mike Woodson is an “innovative offensive-minded coach”.

By Casey

February 22, 2008 6:07 AM | Link to this

Najeh Davenpoop,

Salim is not a horrible defender. He is probably the best defender on the ball the Hawks have. He is certainly the quickest guy on the team, and if you watched the games you would see that he plays hard.

You obviously don’t even watch the games, and, if you do, you just don’t know what you are looking at. Stick to your video games. And don’t spew your opinions as if you know something about it when you don’t know anything.

By doc

February 22, 2008 7:08 AM | Link to this

myk, hate to disappoint, zaza has one more year on his contract. he signed a four year deal, i think and this is only year three.

still funny when the real occasional drops in to mention all we have now is to wait for the draft. i hope not because we still have to play the 2008-2009 season to get there with the bodies we have now since we dont have a pick in the 2008 draft. i hope the new season isnt a loss already.

By Jsmoove

February 22, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

ESPN has an article saying Francisco Elson will get bought out by the Spurs, any chance the Hawks make a run at him

By JohnGTFan

February 22, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

I also would like to see more of Salim (looks like Woody doesn’t have much choice now), but I would not refer to him as instant offense..LOL

Preston Thanks for bringing back the Woody Woodpecker Show!!!!!

By robdawg06

February 22, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Ben Wallace was traded to Cleveland. You snooze and you… well the Hawks ALWAYS lose…. There went my hope for us at center. I’m done hoping now. Unless we trade for a good center this team will never win. Peace.

By robdawg06

February 22, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

Great news on Acie. Now he can cotinue to play 10 minutes a game and give us 3 points and 1 assist… Did it matter ?

By MannyT

February 22, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Elson was traded to Seattle in Kurt Thomas deal.

Thomas was traded from Phoenix to Seattle just to dump his salary. It’s a shame the Hawks didn’t get in on that deal. We might still own a draft pick in June.

I.MUS , myk Where in the world is Jamaal Tatum these days? Didn’t see him in D-League player list.

doc is correct. Aside from the restricted free agents Joshes & Salim the expiring contracts went to Sactown for Bibby. Next year there is a financial call to make as Bibby, Zaza, & Speedy expire. If we do well, that is enough cap space to get anyone who is willing to come here.

I hope J Rich sticks with the team. He fits the tall athletic type and he’s a decent shooter. I’d love to get some of his Mad Antz D-League gear. How fitting is a Mad Ant as a mascot for a hot Georgia summer!

By B-man

February 22, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

Hey Sekou, How about visiting the Falcons Blog and giving us your take on Jake Long, the tackle from Michigan…

By huh

February 22, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

robdawg06 what is up with ya man crush on Ben Wallace? Are you related to him? Ben Wallace has been on the downslide since his last year in Detroit. He gave Chicago nothing but his salty attitude. Right now Al Horford is averaging more points and rebounds than your girlfriend Big Ben. Get over it. He isn’t very good anymore

By doc

February 22, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

manny t i shook my head on the one where kurt thomas went to the sonics and wondered why we were too cheap to jump on that one. said it at the time. we needed a big and the suns gave him away WITH two number one draft picks. now they have traded him for another number one. so for carrying his salary they have picked up 3 ones for future drafts all for about 8 mil or less. they have 13 draft picks in the next three years as a result of how they are breaking down their team along with a potential legit stellar hall of famer to build around. for the marvin apologists who has reduced its size down to about one blogger nowadays, who did we pick when we had the same situation of a college freshman? yep, marvin, because he was dreamed to be the player that actually came along 2 years later in durant.

someone asks to have patience with our team and management. puhlease, stick around and you will lose patience yourself, richbrave as you snub your nose at us as a wizzard fan. heh heh

By jhan

February 22, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

Maybe Salim can live up to the hype from all his supporters on this blog. From what I’ve seen he has a lot of improving to do.

Everyone says he is “instant offense” but get p** when he’s taken out of the game after missing his first 3-4 shots. Please define “instant offense”. To me that means he will come in the game and “instantly” score. How is missing your first several shots considered instant?

The kind of shots he misses lead to fast break points by the other team. Does he play tremendous defense to balance these missed shots? NO is the correct answer.

I hope he can play quality minutes the rest of the year because we truly need him to produce.

By Dave

February 22, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

Sekou, how are the actual practices? Is our team looking better?

By robdawg06

February 22, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

Let’s see what B.Wallace gives the Cavs, ok ? When you are playing on a bad team your mood is bad. Just look at Joe Johnson for example. All I’ve said is the Hawks need a power center to clog the paint and rebound. Ben Wallace can do that. Who is your choice for center ? Zaza Pachulia ? Its easy for you to come here and blast my suggestions but you aren’t man enough to offer a solution yourself. At least I’m thinking of ways to make this team better.

By jami$$ion

February 22, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Jason Gardner wasn’t on Salim team.He was on Arenas Jefferson Wright & Lorense team that lost 2 duhon dunleavy battier jwill & boozer.He was the only 1 undrafted and should have been drafted.

By robdawg06

February 22, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

I’ll bet LeBron James wanted Ben Wallace. So who knows more about talent you or LeBron James ? Slam !

By JerryWest

February 22, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

Selim’s defense has improved considerably since last year.

He is definitely better than Lue, lost Jeremy or Hobbled Bibby at this point. Law with one hand can still play better defense than Selim. Jeremy has the body but doesn’t understand anything about NBA defense at this point. Bibby at 100% would be a much better defender than Selim also. I’d play Selim/West tonight.

By Mike

February 22, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Casey thanks, why would you go to the D-league for a PG that’s has to come in and learn your system when you have a guy on your bench that already knows the system and players.

I caution a lot people on this blog not judge Salim ability purely on his tenure with Hawks. This guy will excel when ever he gets some consistent minutes. He’s more than capable of playing the point, even though he’s considered a shoot first guard. He got great court vision and a decent handle.

Woodson may not like playing him, but he’s the obvious solution at this point of season for the Hawks. Could you imagine the Hawks spreading the floor with Salim, JJ, and Jeremy with Smoove and Al in the post, or Bibby, JJ and Jeremy, or Acie, JJ, and Jeremy. The point is now the Hawks have enough perimeter players to spread the floor and punish teams for sagging in the lane all of the time.

That’s what Salim give you at the point, a scorer and passer. Of course Woodson is not going to play Salim, but this Oh what are we going to do about the PG position is ridiculous when you have a guy like Salim on your bench.

I love the fact that Salim has remain positive through all of this, it will pay off for him in the end.

DUMP WOODY, GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know my last statement is a oxymoron but, “WHAT EVERRRR!!!”

By Hawksfan

February 22, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

At this stage, Horford is a better center than Ben Wallace! He is taller, more athletic (i.e., faster and better leaper), better rebounder, better ball-handler, better shot-blocker, and better scorer. And much less expensive. As a veteran, Wallace is savier than Horford on D., and Wallace may have 5-10 pounds of extra heft.

I agree that it is time to get over the Ben Wallace man-crush.

By Peter

February 22, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Sekou………

Why do the Hawks keep getting guys that already have been hurt?

Is management BRAIN DEAD ?

By Pete

February 22, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

Just play Salim more and trust your team Woodson!!!! Stop killing your guys with the criticism…..Show some love to your guys!!!!!!

By kwooden1

February 22, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

I don’t see any issues with playing Salim at PG. The Wizards have one true PG on their team and he’s really a shoot first guard also. (Daniels) I think we should be more worried about getting Zaza to play better than the PG situation. Soloman Jones should be taking about half of Zaza’s minutes at this time regardless of the team their playing. I would assume that Woody is going to play Soloman this game, because Golden State’s center is Biedrins. But this would be an obvious move, we would all like to see Woody do something innovative!

Go Salim!

GO HAWKS!!

By huh

February 22, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

Thank you Hawksfan. ENOUGH SAID

By I.MUS WRITE

February 22, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

Mike -I agrre with u. Salim will put up numbers in a structured system wh playing time.

I hope salims lack of minutes /production/developement -isnt a result of Woody holding a grudge. The man hates salim because they had words, and now he refuses to play him. What a dumb azz- HELLO he is the only PG available. If he isnt gonna play why not buy the guy out. Whats gonna happen when Salim and Sheldon start to develope under new coaches …… woody will be exposed yet again for his incompetency

Riddle me this ? Y do we not run plays,set screens,pick n roll etc… This is gettn old -as i watched the last few games i didnt see anyone moving or cutting itz all one on one…….. FIRE THIS CLOWN NOW

By JohnGTFan

February 22, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

Here’s my take (for whatever it’s worth). Fire Woodson now! Then, even if ATL doesn’t win a game on this trip…after that…they finish Feb and March with a 13 - 6 record….that would put ATL at 34-39. And I still think that’s very reasonable. BUT ONLY IF WOODSON IS GONE!!!! Then you have an “all or nothing” April. 4 road games, 4 home games. If Atl could go 5-3, I think they would be in. The road games are against Philly, Indy, NY, Miami. If you can’t win at least 3 of those, shouldn’t be an NBA team. The home games are against Tor, Philly, Orlando and Boston. Boston and Orlando probably losses…but should beat Tor and Philly at home, along with all 3 road wins. Even at 5-3 in April, that’s 40-42. I come up with these numbers because I’m counting the next game against Miami as one more win, and one less loss (assuming ATL can win those 51 seconds). Again, based on Woodson being canned!

By robdawg06

February 22, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

You are insane Hawksfan. Ben Wallace intimadates players that come into the paint. They just go over or around Horford for points unless he fouls them. He can’t guard Ming,Shaq,Boozer,R.Wallace,Gasol,etc.but B.Wallace can. Horford is a forward not a center.

By I.MUS WRITE

February 22, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

Hawks fan -You’re one to talk about a man crush-when you are the originator-like 4 days ago you were in love with JJ(man crush)-dispite his poor showings.

Ben Wallace is’nt who he was in 2004,but him and Joe smith will more than make up for Gooden. I would’nt want him here with that stank contract but he still has a lil sumthing in the tank

Woody if you are reading this -play Salim and Solo before I come over there and see you!!!!!…. maybe threats will work nothing else seems to.

By steve

February 22, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

You guys writing this sound as dumb as when sucku smith writes his trash. For the moron who thinks David lee can play center in the NBA….get a clue.

By robdawg06

February 22, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

To all of you that claim Ben Wallace is washed up, why did the Cavaliers (last year’s NBA East champs mind you) just trade for him ? Its because he’s dominant in the paint. He disrupts the opposing team’s offense. If you can turn the game into jump shots and tre’s then you’ve won half the battle. I like Horford in a Karl Malone role running the pick with Bibby as others said. He is not the answer in the paint at center.

By steve

February 22, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

You guys writing this sound as dumb as when sucku smith writes his trash. For the moron who thinks David lee can play center in the NBA….get a clue.

By steve

February 22, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

You guys writing this sound as dumb as when sucku smith writes his trash. For the moron who thinks David lee can play center in the NBA….get a clue.

By I.MUS WRITE

February 22, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Steve- If you dont like what sekou writes -then tune out -i dont think u are being held at gun point and forced to read this blog-keep it pushn man………………………

Got a point though-David Lee is a good player and all but a Center he is not…… D Howard and Big Z will punish him on the blocks….

Sumone mentioned this earlier but ahhhhhm Mr.Bradley -come up with your own thoughts on Woody…. really sounds like he cut and paste a section of this blog and collected his check like nothing was wrong…… If you initials are’nt SS then we or atleast i dont wanna hear you talk BBall…. NEXT

By Astro Joe

February 22, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Sekou, so we now have the answer to the $64,000 question, Speedy DID have knee surgery. Can you confirm that it was the microfracture surgery and when was it done? I’m assuming this will keep him on the shelf most if not all of next season. That’s another $4.5-5M in insurance money to the ASG next season. The golden goose is going strong for Gearon and his crew. I knew something was up when they made that Bibby trade. Always follow the money. And in this case, the quack, quack of that good old AFLAC insurance left an audible trail. The ASG aren’t paying for Bibby, the AFLAC duck is!!!

By huh

February 22, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Rob what Ben Wallace are you talking about because this years version, hell the one from the last few years has been terrible. His defense is not on the same level it once was. Cleveland traded for him because their gm is about as clueless as the Hawks. Right now Ben Wallace is number 28 in the NBA in rebounds. Guess who is higher than him. Yea Al Horford. Not only that but Josh Smith only averages 1 less round a game while blocking more shots than Ben Wallace. You want to know who puts up more boards a game than ya boy Ben Wallace. How about Nick Collison, Andrew Bogut, Udonis Haslem, and the might David Lee. I could keep going if you want me too. Then I can add that he is currently 18 in the league when it comes to blocks. Sorry to say but ya boy Ben Wallace is not the same player he was in Detroit. He does not have it anymore.

By SalimFan

February 22, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

I agree that sheldons first season with the hawks was HORRIBLE, but I beleive he just neede to get seasond and used to playing down low in the NBA as oposed to at Duke. You all saw how well sheldon played when he WAS given time this season. The same thing goes for salims defense and his attitude.

Woody is just a guy who isn’t willing to beleive that some players ESPISCIALLY HIGHLY DECORATED PLAYERS (ACHIEVMENT WISE)FROM THE COLLEGE RANKS Still can grow and get better.

Sheldon was really a spark for he kings front line the other night off the bench andit’s no coinsidense either. You’ve all seen spurts of it this season (when he plays). He really made mike woodsen look dumb that night and I couldnt help but laugh at woodys facial expression when horford picked up another foul on sheldons And-1 late in the game. (were rootin for ya sheldon)

Also Unless you are a jump shooter by the name of Ray Rllen or Michael Redd. You’re not hot right when you step on the floor PERIOD.

With that being said 2-3 minutes is not enough time for salim to get hot. FIVE yes, two hell no. If you leave salim in a game for seven consecutive minuets I GUARENTEE that he’s just about hot. Not questions asked. He’s that type of player on some of you do not want to admit that.

I remeber during salim’s first season when woody would pull him out of the game and salim would give him one of those “what the hell are you doing? are you an idiot? looks”. Honestly salim went about it the wrong way but I was defently thinking the same thing.

All I can say is this time next season woodsen is going to look very foolish. Even more so if we let the 76ers get into the playoffs ahead of us this season.

By SalimFan

February 22, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Astro Joe can you elaborate on the spedy thing. What is this ASG you’re speaking of?.

For the record I never wanted speedy to come to the ATL that was a waste of money. career twentysomething percent from the three point line? Get a clue BK.

By DSLIM

February 22, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

for all you salim fans out there and for all the salim haters, listen up.

Instant offense- DEFINITION- a guy who can score at will in any circumstance. hit a three in your face, goes tot he hole, penatrates and creats shots for others.

Salim is Capable of being instant offense, when giving a valid oppurtunity. The other night he missed his first 2 shots, and coach pulls him ( great confidence builder for him) When he had freedom and less pressure on him, he WAS THE MAN. when he got the ball at zona, the crow just wanted him to shoot or drive or pull up from way beyond the three point range. I think that the pressure and lack of confidence woodson throw on Slim, is affecting his game at this point. Just once, let salim get 20 minutes, and i gauretee you he will be an asset on the floor, both offensivly and defensivly. He just needs a little confidence and ingame practice, He hasnt played to many minutes int he past 2 months. probally 25 minutes max.

take a look at this link, and you will realize what the hawks are missing when he rides the pine..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LTw46XshKiA

By SalimFan

February 22, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

In that film I want to mention that none of hose baskets were repeats. 38 points PERIOD. All over Brandon Roy and Little Nate. There is tons of footage of salim like that all over youtube. I think he has more clips than any other player in a hawks uniform……well second now that bibby’s here.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 22, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Casey, Salim Stoudamire couldn’t get around a screen if I was setting it. And I’m about the same height as him. Please show me one instance in the NBA, just one, where the other team was running a screen and roll and he didn’t get taken out of the play.

Well, actually, before you do that, wipe the white stuff off your face. Don’t want any of it dripping on the keyboard and getting your keys stuck. Besides, I’m sure Mr. Stoudamire has plenty of female friends willing to perform that task for him.

And yeah, maybe I was a little off when I called a 27% shooter “instant offense”. What I meant to say is that with more playing time, those quick-trigger jumpers he takes will actually fall. His game is suited to being a guy who comes off the bench and can create his own shot and get you a few quick points. But give him too many minutes and he becomes a liability because of his horrible defense and non-existent passing ability. I have always thought Salim would fit in better on a good team, where his obvious weaknesses wouldn’t stand out as much because he would have better teammates. He’s not so great a fit on a mediocre team where roles are not that clearly defined.

By Clyde

February 22, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By DSLIM

February 22, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

salim fan, i was there , and you have never seen anything like this, and this is what he is capable of.. WOODSON IS AN A*^)HOLE.

By MannyT

February 22, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

doc

I know a good team these days keeps an eye on the talent and an eye on the salary cap. The 1st Kurt Thomas give away hurt because the Suns paid Seattle to take him. They could have easily paid us (even if we got their 1st rounders instead of getting ours back.)

I hope we make a move to at least bring in another player or two on 10 day contracts to fill out practice. It’s not like we are soo good we can pull the who needs practice line.

I am hopeful for tonight as our best chance to get a W on this trip. I heard that Biedrins is out so they have even less of an inside presence and they want to run.

Now to figure out what to do with my season ticket renewal. I need to find Volman at the next game and discuss.

By Volman

February 22, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

Manny T, I know that you took a second look at the prices that they are charging for season tickets! More than 50% increase!

Are you going to be throwing down for next season? We honestly should get our own bloggers section of season tickets and sit around and complain about why Woody is still around and why BK hasn’t been canned! :)

Hopefully I can show my face for the Kings game (next home game).. I am starting to get embarrassed FOR this team! Not OF, but FOR!

By Astro Joe

February 22, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

SalimFan, ASG is the Atlanta Spirit Group, owners of Hawks (and Thrashers). Insurance is paying 80% of Speedy’s salary while he is out indefinitely. Asuming that he had microfracture surgery, indefinitely could mean all of this AND next season. His salary is about $12 over those 2 seasons, meaning the owners get about $9.6M in insurance payments. Over the next 120 games (rough estimate of the rest of this season and next), I’m guessing Bibby will make about $19M-20M. So Speedy’s insurance is paying for half of Bibby’s salary. Coincidentally, Lue, Lo & AJ were all making about $9.5M. So the owners are paying probably a little bit more “above and beyond” over the next 15 months for Bibby, but probably no more than $2M (I’m guessing).

By richbrave

February 22, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

As much as I admire Ben Wallace as a person, I think he’s on the way out, certainly as a markee player in the NBA.

A fine person, and set for life financially, he always was more in the mold of a #4 rather than a five. But he played as a #5 at Union for all four years because he was so agile for a big man.

He was just a little too small for the 5 role in the NBA. He never was as big as Charles Oakley, his earlier counterpart at Union. At a bit over 6’6” and 240, Oakley at 6’9”+ 255 could carry the load easier.

Now with a change don’t be surprised if BIG BEN resurrects himself in the short-term. But at 33, I think he will slowly become less of a factor on the court. Maybe after this year is over.

His demeanor is pleasant. He has a life-style of ease, and he’s comfortable with it. When the desire to prove himself once again in his new surroundings abates, I think he will be able to look at his over-all body of work and be satisfied with his effort and the results. I certainly am.

By richbrave

February 22, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

doc:

Snub my nose? Is that what I’m doing? Maybe I’m just wasting my time trying to learn about the Hawks from you regulars on here. I think I’m pretty deferential about YOUR HAWKS. There are players I see here who have great potential in the NBA. Are they being selected properly? Hell, I don’t know. I’m not a GM. Are they being used properly on the court? Well, not like Eddie Jordan would. Do you know how many coaches the Wizards went through to get Jordan? LOTS. If you ask me the ultimate problem (and you didn’t, although someone referred to it once) lies with management. Whether its as individual, as in the case of the Wizards, or a corporation, as in the case of the Hawks, really makes no difference if they are incompetent. Both you and I have posted on this particular point. To me they BOTH are, but that’s just me. At this point the Wizards are SLIGHTLY higher in the standings because Pollin seems to have learned a little, or cares a little more. Now thats two things corporations never do - at least not with sports franchises. Their answer is always - move. Well, maybe. Heh. Heh.

By Richie Rich

February 22, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

Flip Murray and Jamal Magloire should be headed to the ATL.

I don’t know how the money thing will factor, but these guy’s would look good in a Hawks uniform.

By preston

February 22, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

What are some of you guys talking about regarding Salim??? He is not a bad player at all. This team has done nothing with Salim riding the bench…..NOTHING….. so how is he going to make this team any worse by playing???? Doesn’t make sense to me. Have you guys forgot that we were trotting out Anthony Johnson in rotation with Tlue while Salim rode the bench…..was Salim any worse than those guys? Is his defense any worse than Tlue? Is his offense any worse than AJ? HELL NO!!! Just a few weeks ago, some of you guys were crapping on Acie b/c his confidence was down, and his game was starting to look suspect. But, as hr is playing more, slowly but surely, his game and confidence has improved. It is obvious that Woody has killed Salim’s confidence….the guy is just trying to get it back…..that is why he is rushing his shots now, b/c he knows that he won’t see the court but for a minute. Salim needs a definitive role with this team…..right now, the guy is completely lost, and it shows, but he won’t get any better riding the bench. And I don’t think that none of us Salim fans are saying that he is the greatest player for his position on the team……we just want to see him play.

By Hawksfan

February 22, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

I.MUS WRITE:

It wasn’t me singing the praises of J.J. any time recently. Must have been another using my not-so-clever screen name. (If I have a man-crush on any Hawk this year, it is Chills. Did anyone else notice his back-to-back 10/11 and about 9/11 shooting nights at home recently? Yes, they were all dunks or layups, but if you can get them, take them!)

As to Ben Wallace:

For Cleveland it is nice to get big Ben and Joe Smith (who was having a great year for Chicago)—as well as Wally World. Good for Chicago too, as they need to let their big young blood play. Anyone want to bet me Chicago doesn’t now finish the season with a better record than the Hawks? You’d better check their current records first! Even in Ben’s prime, do you recall who basically held Shaq in check in that championship final series? First TAKE OFF YOUR BEN-COLORED GLASSES. It principally was because Detroit threw Okur, Big Nasty and…drum roll please…Elden Campbell, who was one big load, to lean on Shaq Daddy! Yes, it’s true, it’s true! How does this get your undies in a knot, Ben-lovers?

By Casey

February 22, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

Najeh Davenpoop,

YOU ARE A MORON. YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE A HOMOSEXUAL, SINCE THAT’S THE FIRST THING YOU COULD THINK OF TO RESPOND WITH.

By new jersey faithful

February 22, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this

WE ALL KNOW WOODY COACHES BEST WHEN HE HAS LESS TO WORK WITH, SO MAYBE THEY PULL ONE OUT 2NITE! GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By preston

February 22, 2008 7:24 PM | Link to this

JohnGTFan- lol…unfortunately “The Woody Woodpecker Show” lives on, but I am really hoping that the network execs. will cancel the show pretty soon, if you know what I mean.

By Gypsyjoe

February 22, 2008 7:24 PM | Link to this

Maiglore and Flip Murray have been waived.TIME TO SWOPE LIKE A Hawk.

By MannyT

February 22, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

Volman when I saw the pricing I started to laugh. Inside, I knew the $199 could not last. However, it is always tricky to announce a price increase when you are on a losing streak.

I am pretty sure that I am coming back next season, but the idea of getting together with some folks is an interesting one. I plan to use my 303 row Gs on Wednesday.

I am also toying with the idea of moving to a better seat. Part of me figures some folks will bail if the team doesn’t have a winning streak between now and the 1st renewal deadline. I smell an opportunity!

NJ Faithful if Woody gets an extension, should he get a very short bench as a gift? Maybe that’s why BK only signed one player to get to the league minimum.

Let’s go running Hawks!

By SalimFan

February 22, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

I hope that mike woodson can see that salim is the real allstar on this team, ship joe johnson and josh smith out, and make salim the centerpiece of this team.

By SalimFan

February 22, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this

Thanks For the info Astro Joe. It’s good to know that speedy isn’t really a liability even though he’s hurt

Also, Whoever wrote that stupid comment above me is an IMPOSTER That is not me and that is very immature. I would never want to get rid of JJ and Josh Smith.

By SalimFan

February 22, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this

trade them, joe and josh suck azz, salim is the next kobe!!!!Do it bk do it. Salim is the answer.

By SalimFan

February 22, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

I.MUS WRITE you are completely right about elden campbell and okur guarding shaq. Even corliss williamson at times.

Casey I agree with you about Najeh Davenpoop.

Preston and DSLIM…………Great minds think alike.

By SalimFan(ORIGINAL)

February 22, 2008 8:06 PM | Link to this

Man GET A LIFE AND STOP SLANDERING MY NAME YOU FAKE.

By JohnGTFan

February 22, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

Preston

Yeah, I know what you mean. I would miss the show…but I’d much rather see his (*& out of the ATL. I know everyone thinks I’m crazy for my earlier post…but I still think ATL can finish 40-42 if Woodson is fired before the end of this weekend! I truly do!

By ray

February 22, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

Hawksfan, you are on the money about Ben Wallace.

Robdawg,

Explain to me how it is that Al Horford, a rookie, is outperforming your boy Ben Wallace? He’s averaging more points and more rebounds than Wallace. And last I looked, Wallace wasn’t stopping too many people in the paint. He was good in Detroit when Rasheed Wallace had his back. What’s your excuse? Does he need taller, veteran frontcourt players around him to make him look better? I’ll tell you why Cleveland took him. They wanted a better defender than Gooden (although I’m still not sure if that’s what they got). Furthermore, they wanted Joe Smith, who has been scoring down low rather well for Chicago. That, and perhaps John Paxson is smarter than his brother Jim.

Rather than ask the question why Cleveland traded for him, ask the question why Chicago was willing to get rid of a guy they paid $60 million to get, hmmmmmm? $60 million gets you 5.1 ppg, 8.8rpg, 37% on field goals, and 42% from the line? All that from right underneath the basket? Wow….Maybe Wallace will do better in Cleveland where somebody will make his butt work harder. He didn’t do squat in Chicago, they were better off without him. Maybe he should start juicing up again. Look, I don’t hate the guy. But he’s displayed plenty of attitude problems in Chicago and NO LEADERSHIP.

And don’t you dare compare his situation to Joe Johnson’s situation. Joe became a 2-time all-star since joining the Hawks, despite the conditions of this franchise. That speaks to what the player is capable of. If you want to compare what the player has done, then Ben Wallace is a bum. He came to a rising contender. His game has gotten worse, and his team has gotten worse. EXPLAIN THAT. Once again, I’d have taken Joakim Noah long before Ben Wallace. At least Noah cares about winning. Wallace just cares about his afro and head-band. Oh, and his $60 million….we don’t need that here.

By jami$$ion

February 22, 2008 8:18 PM | Link to this

Sekou is it true Magloire has been waved?Is it true Billy making a play 4 him?A JM/AH/JS/JJ/BIBBY lineup might be tops in the East,top ten in the league with arguably top ten players at each position.And our bench a be 1 of the betterbenches in the league.We definentley need 2 pick him up asap.ASAP!Is it true Woodys gone,once the team comes home?Hit us back Sekou let us know what the business is! ONE

By jami$$ion

February 22, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this

JOHN I believe we can be better than that if we fire him and claim magloire off waivers easily.We’ve lost 2many close games and leads because of this guys incompetence so much it has destroyed the psyche of the team 2 the point they don’t think about winning games,they think about losing games!A new coach gives them a new start, a new start equals a new chance 2 re-establish their games,confidence, and dreams.Plus it let’s players know management is behind them 2 win.

By PD

February 22, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this

Hawks could DEFINITELY use Magloire.

By reese

February 22, 2008 8:49 PM | Link to this

Just some thoughts for tonights game against Golden State.

1)Josh Childress, if you are in the game with Zaza and Mario West. You need to be the one who is closest to the basket when the other team is shooting free throws. Don’t make Mario West be the one boxing out the big men. Step up and be a man.

2)Joe Johnson, bring your A game. We’ve seen enough of your B and C games. Where is your floaters in the lane, where are your 3 pointers, where are your rebounds, where is your tough man on man defense. If your tired, tell woodson to take you out the game. Be a leader, not stiff on the floor.

3)Josh Smith, its nice that you are getting entries in every offensive/defensive category. But, it needs to be higher numbers in all categories. Get back to the 20pt, 10 rebound 3 blks, 2 stls and 5 assist range. The bar has been raised as to what we expect from you. Also, make your free throws.

4)Marvin, shoot the ball, play help defense, block some shots and get some rebounds.

5)Zaza, play some help defense. Be aggressive.

6)Horford, keep getting the rebounds and providing the help defense. On offense, stop passing your offensive rebounds back out and take the ball up. Try some head fakes, reverse layups, fade aways or hook shots if your shot keeps getting blocked when taking it strong.

7)Woodson, play your bench more. Solomon, Salim and Jeremy should be playing every game until BK gets you better quality players.

8)Billy Knight, you did a good job by getting Bibby. However, your job is not done. I like the Magloire and Flip idea or players like them. Make some deals to help your coach and players. Once the deals are made, send solomon and salim to the dleague to get some playing time. Then, if someone gets hurt, bring them up and they are ready to play.

By SalimFan(Original)

February 22, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

on second note i agree with the fake imposter salimfan in that we should let joe and josh go because they are obviously not our core group, we would be better off without them, and i agree that we shouldve went after ben wallace and wally world.

By hawksfanfordawin

February 22, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this

Reese some very good points, i like your ideas, keep it up.

By ray

February 22, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

Reese, I agree. Magloire would be a good addition.

By preston

February 22, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

JohnGTFan- man, I am really hoping that the next joke that I will be telling will be about Woody being shown the door!!

By salimfan(imposter)

February 22, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

salimfan im just joking with you sorry i wont imposter you again lol. I think im becoming insane….

By SalimFan

February 22, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this

Lol, Thank you.

By reese

February 22, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

hawksfanfordawin and ray, if BK did sign Magloire, what would be your starting lineup. Mine would be jj,bibby,jsmith,horford,magloire.

By Ken Strickland

February 22, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this

Man, you guys had me going for a while. I didn’t see any familar names on these blogs. Nobody wants Woodson fired more than yours truely, but it won’t happen anytime soon. With the Bibby trade, they are obligated to give him a chance to turn things around. I say that from a logical and completely objective standpoint. From a personal standpoint, I want his “A” fired now.

I have absolutely no respect for anyone that would put personal issues with players ahead of the team. Even after the trade left us short on guards, he still won’t play Salim. Who else would play a player(Bibby)that’s hurt and unfamiliar with his teammates and the OFF instead Salim? Richardson has played very well and is hitting open shots, especially 3’s. Yet, he can’t get more than 8-9mins.

Start Salim and bring in Chills to play PF. Why place added pressure and responsibility on JJ when it can be avoided. This dumb “A” is looking for excuses not to give Salim a chance, and I admire the way Salim has handled this mess. He’s handled Woodson’s stubborn attitude and his own dejection like a professional.

By MannyT

February 22, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

The short & quick tonight…run your a$$ off and take a breather. Catch your breath and repeat.

reese I don’t think Salim is eligible for d-league because he’s been in big show more than 2 years.

Chills does not have enough junk in the trunk to be closest to basket. Let Mario do what he does. I was proud to see him try to slow down Artest on Wednesday. Let Chills grab his junk points and guard a PG who won’t toss him aside.

Woody ain’t taking JJ out of the game ‘til he passes out. Code name Stansbury for the Philly Big5 fans out there.

Even when JJ has his B- game, he’s still the best on ball defender on the team.

By Dan Coons

February 22, 2008 10:33 PM | Link to this

Magloire is a MAN. Knight needs to offer whatever it takes to get him here… & quick!

By Steve T

February 22, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this

If Law is hurt and can not go, then I think JJ needs to move to point and Richardson needs to start at SG. This guy need more PT. He is shooting 75% but Wooody only let him play 8 minutes. I would like to see what these guy could do in 20 - 30 minutes. he has proven he can shoot.

By preston

February 22, 2008 10:44 PM | Link to this

looks like Salim will be getting some playing time by default with Acie out…..I really hope that he performs well.

By hawksfanfordawin

February 22, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

Ok guys cmon lets steal one tonight, i agree with you reese, that would free up horford big time.

By hawksfanfordawin

February 22, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

man baron is too strong for bibby he needs some help, marvins doing pretty well.

By new jersey faithful

February 22, 2008 10:57 PM | Link to this

I like what i see so far! keep up the good work

By hawksfanfordawin

February 22, 2008 10:59 PM | Link to this

omg woody let them run, look at him putting in zaza. Cmon man, btw the hawks are on fire!!!!!!!!

By DarkRyder

February 22, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this

Salim Stoudamire still lives! What the deuce?

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 22, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this

In fairness to Salim, he is choosing tonight to play very well. He is actually passing the ball and playing decent defense. Surely this is because he reads my posts on this blog, and they fired him up. I will continue to criticize his game in the hope he continues playing well.

By hawksfanfordawin

February 22, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this

scratch that, those were some nice subs by mike tonight, ooh i just rhymed.

By new jersey faithful

February 22, 2008 11:07 PM | Link to this

KEEP UP THE TEMPO

By Angry Tim

February 22, 2008 11:07 PM | Link to this

Woody HATES it when Salim actually does well.

By mykhalc

February 22, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this

a SALIM sightin’!!!! WOODSON with a short bench…here we go!!!!

By preston

February 22, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this

I hope that you Salim Bashers are ttaking notice……Salim has played very well in the first quarter…….in fact he looks comfortable and quicker than any other point guard that they have……the hawks and Woody have really disappointed me in the way that they have handled him……..GIVE THE GUY A CHANCE!!!!!!

By hawksfanfordawin

February 22, 2008 11:10 PM | Link to this

salim four point play!!!!!

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 22, 2008 11:11 PM | Link to this

WTF? Is this like the Bizarro Hawks? Salim playing defense? Marvin fighting for rebounds? Zaza making behind the back passes? Did someone turn the difficulty level to “rookie” or something?

Oh well, I don’t care, if it continues, that would be great.

By preston

February 22, 2008 11:12 PM | Link to this

SALIM!!!! 3 pointer and 1………Mike Woodson and the hawks are looking like complete idiots, but what else is new.

By doc

February 22, 2008 11:14 PM | Link to this

richbrave …. are they being selected properly? comment stopped me dead in my tracks. blind squirrels might have better results than bk has had drawing out of a hat with as many top five draft picks we have had recently an the best pick thus far a 15 in josh smith.

snub my nose comment was just playin.

aj knew you would slam the “report” on speedy had the same thought,

finally there is no such thing as ASG it is the BASG for broken atlanta spirit group. call it like it is.

By preston

February 22, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this

LOL….yeah Najeh, you sure have light a fire in Salim’s a— with your posts!!!

By Melvin

February 22, 2008 11:21 PM | Link to this

Please sign Jamaal Magloire…

By hawksfanfordawin

February 22, 2008 11:29 PM | Link to this

are you kidding me, that was a clear charge!!!!!!

By hawksfanfordawin

February 22, 2008 11:35 PM | Link to this

are you freakin kidding me, mike freakin bibby!!!!!!!!!

By gobirds42

February 22, 2008 11:35 PM | Link to this

it was a charge except josh was in the restricted part of lane. bibby is heating up…big time

By hawksfanfordawin

February 22, 2008 11:39 PM | Link to this

no bibby took a fall!!!!please dont get injured.

By Steve T

February 22, 2008 11:44 PM | Link to this

The hawks have a big lead! It is time to get the mircowave ready. Get Richardson ready coach. Man, what a scoring line up we could have if you had Bibby at PG, Richards at SC and JJ at SF. They can strecth the defense from corner to corner.

By the hawk

February 22, 2008 11:51 PM | Link to this

well i love that salim came in and played well. you could just see when he made some shots woody was getting mad. why does he not like salim? he really spreads out the floor because they know there is a shooter out there and zaza was getting easy layups. i think acie should stay injured because the hawks look great. bibby is making everything and joe is not having the keep the ball the possession and he is getting open looks. if we can keep this going the next thing to work on is getting jsmoove to stop taking jumpers. although it seems when the shot clock is down for some reason they pass it to him and he has to take a long range jumpshot and he bricks it. does anyone agree that on offense marvin should play a 3 and smith a 4 because marvin can shoot the ball while smith is better inside anyway lets see the hawks get 140! go hawks

By mykhalc

February 22, 2008 11:55 PM | Link to this

HAWKS with a big lead…NOT a good formula!! maybe BIBBY can change the trend??!!??? the cat was on fire!!!

By doc

February 22, 2008 11:57 PM | Link to this

this is a test, up twenty and do we play woody ball and lose or continue to pay bibby ball.

By new jersey faithful

February 23, 2008 12:00 AM | Link to this

MannyT I’ve said this before, but what if the ASG or whoever makes serious decisions(BK?) think Woody is doing a good jog because the Hawks have gotten better ever year including this year? Technically that would make sense, but we all know thats really the case. Image Woody actually gets an extension or new contract after this season when they make the playoffs. CRAZY

By mykhalc

February 23, 2008 12:14 AM | Link to this

like i said…

By hawksfanfordawin

February 23, 2008 12:18 AM | Link to this

man whats with all the to’s

By hawksfanfordawin

February 23, 2008 12:23 AM | Link to this

you can already see that jj is tired, and woody is still going to that iso move….

By Sean

February 23, 2008 12:30 AM | Link to this

DSLIM is right. Woodson has totally neglected a great young talent, our mini-microwave. I can give Knight a kinda-sorta pass for now, since he realized his own (shelden) mistake FINALLY. Sorry, I dropped the cooler: that was a real Shelden Williams, my bad. I woulda rather we drafted Roy, but hey we got Bibby.

Woody on the other hand should be on a very short leash: anything less than 5-5 over the next 10 staring with tonight and the man ought to be shown the door. Please God, let Indiana offer Woody a better contract, please, please! Clear the way to Carlisle, please, please!

By Steve T

February 23, 2008 12:37 AM | Link to this

This game is showing why Slamin should have been playing. The guy can score at will. Now they need to get Richardson going by letting him shoot.

By new jersey faithful

February 23, 2008 12:38 AM | Link to this

It all started with that bogus offensive foul called on Horford when he had an O rebound and quick shot just under the foul line. That was such a BS call! He came out after that and GS went on a roll.

By Sean

February 23, 2008 12:39 AM | Link to this

Raising ticket prices: are you kidding me? Didn’t you idiots save enough by letting Bernie go?

Ya wanna see ticket sales spike? Fire Woody or just give it up to Belkin.

Go Salim: the more he accomplishes tonight, the more everyone realizes Woody’s stupidity for playing him in 3 games so far this season.

BTW, we are front-court thin: where the hell is SoJo?

By new jersey faithful

February 23, 2008 12:47 AM | Link to this

Salim fans are running wild in the streets

By Steve T

February 23, 2008 12:50 AM | Link to this

Salmin was 6-11 and that azz put him on the bench! CRAZY!

By Sean

February 23, 2008 12:50 AM | Link to this

I remember when Al took those kind of shots for us: good to see him do it in a another uniform.

By hawksfanfordawin

February 23, 2008 12:51 AM | Link to this

good win for the hawks…

By hawksfanfordawin

February 23, 2008 12:52 AM | Link to this

good win for the hawks…lets just hope that this doesnt tire them out for tomorrow.

By another_salimfan

February 23, 2008 12:56 AM | Link to this

I’d like to see Salim just nail Woody with the ball right now or just kick him in the a* on the way out.

Go you little Veggie eatin’, sharp-shootin’ m/f’r!

Woodson, you’re an IDIOT!!!

By preston

February 23, 2008 12:56 AM | Link to this

Kudos to Salim for his play and recognition by Steve Smith and Bob Rathburn as player of the game for the hawks. If the hawks trade Salim it will be a big mistake….I hope this games shows them that his value to this team. In limited time Salim played BIG tonight….if he plays on a regular basis……Salim will only get better….he has just as much upside as more than half the guys on the team.

By cp

February 23, 2008 1:01 AM | Link to this

In typical Woody fashion, we get a big lead by running and spreading the floor and as soon as the second half starts he goes to slow down. Luckily we pulled off the win. Great games by JJ, Bibby, and Salim. It is amazing what players like Salim and Law the previous games can do when the coach lets them play their games and dont put them on a short leash. I love JChill but boy he has to work on his ball handing in the open court. Hopefully Mike Knapp remembers he has Salim on the bench for the next game and lets him play like he did tonight. Mike Knapp look at the game film from the first half and watch it over and over and over. This is how we should be playing from now on. Running when we have a chance, spreading the floor, and movement on the offensive end On a side note, Monta Ellis is going to get paid this summer. When Brandon Wright puts some weight on him I think he is going to be pretty good.

By preston

February 23, 2008 1:07 AM | Link to this

newjerseyfaithful- We are not running wild in the streets, but that might happen if he gets traded. But we just want to see Salim play…..like I have said several times on this blog, he was no worse than AJ or Tlue, and there is no way that I would have had him playing behind those guys, infact I would be willing to bet you that no other team in the NBA would have him playing behind those guys…..I am very happy that he played well tonight……play him on a regular basis, and he will only get better.

By hawksfanfordawin

February 23, 2008 1:19 AM | Link to this

do you think that theyll have any juice for the utah game today.

By hawksfanfordawin

February 23, 2008 1:19 AM | Link to this

do you think that theyll have any juice for the utah game tomorrow.

By reese

February 23, 2008 1:22 AM | Link to this

First of all, great win tonight against Golden State. The Good: Salim Stoudemire played great off the bench for 18 points and 2 steals. 6 players scored double figures. A total of 10 3pt shots were made by 5 different players. The team shot 85% from the freethrow line and out rebounded GSW 53 to 40. Joe Johnson scored 27 points. Who cares that it took 22 shots to get it. Thats what your leading scorer is suppose to do when your team needs scoring. Nice 3pt shooting from bibby. J Childress had 14 rebounds and 3 blocks to go along with his double figure scoring. Everyone who played for the Hawks scored and got a rebound.

The Bad: Woody taking salim out the game in the final minutes of the 4th. Josh Smith and Childress not holding on to the ball when challenged by the defensive slaps or when attempting to catch passes in the open court driving to the lane. Al Horford not being able to dominate against a small front court. Josh Smiths low post game against guys his own size or smaller. Too many loses due to deflections and not dribbling well. Marvin and Childress have to continue to play help defense when Josh Smith leaves his man to help out the guards who are getting beat off the dribble. Woodson has got to give Solomon Jones some playing time in every game. Salim proved tonight that these bench players need and deserve playing time.

Again, great game to watch and great game Salim.

By THE Hawks Fan

February 23, 2008 1:23 AM | Link to this

Yessss!!!The whole team played good tonight. Im reall happy for Salim. ZaZa played his best game in weeks. Chill was going reaal hard. But JJ was on a Mission. If coach Woodson would just learn how to manage Joe instead of USING him,we could make a real Run. He has to cut his minutes or in a couple of games he will be Burnt again. As JJ goes so does the HAWKS!!!

By Ken Strickland

February 23, 2008 1:29 AM | Link to this

How many loses could we have avoided if Salim had been allowed an opportunity to play like he did tonight? How many gms have we lost because we needed outside shooting. Did you see how often he broke down the DEF with his penetration? JSmith had too many turnovers tonight.

By ray

February 23, 2008 1:33 AM | Link to this

Salim IN DA HOUSE! I’m so glad to see that guy get some playing time and do so well with it. There was only one bad thing about Salim’s performance. And that would be the fact that if Woodson does what he usually does (and Law isn’t healthy enough to play), Salim won’t play much for the rest of the trip.

I’m sure many of you others watched Bibby do his thing: hitting 3s and other shots, constantly communicating with his teammates (effectively), throwing those no-look passes. Did you see him in the huddle? He continually talked to his teammates and pretty much didn’t even make eye contact with Woodson. Well, at least that’s what I saw when there was camera close-ups on the huddle, which wasn’t all that often. Guys, 17 points and 7 assists is what you get from a hurt Mike Bibby. Imagine a healthy one. And those who are bashing the trade? Bibby gets better with each game. Told ya.

JJ had an all-star game, which was nice to see. His eight assists showed something: he’s willing to give that ball up and trust others. And they were converting. Josh Smith got to see firsthand what it’s like to have that isolation play for posting up. Now he needs to learn how to make that pass out to another guy without turning it over. Of course, it does help when there’s actually somebody getting themselves into position to receive the ball. He had an average game by his own standards, but it was a good game with excellent field goal percentage.

I’ve never seen Marvin get so many rebounds. It’s a good thing he did, too. Otherwise he would’ve been invisible. His one shot was being contested most of the time, and he just cannot seem to be able to convert when going to the basket unless he’s wide-a$$ open. Clumsy under any kind of pressure. Still stinking it up on defense. But I gotta give him credit for grabbing 14 boards. The question is whether or not he’ll even get half of that the next game. But he wasn’t alone. Horford got into early foul trouble and hardly got to play after that. Zaza didn’t look bad, but then…how bad can you look in 10 minutes? Uhh…you’d need Lorenzen Wright around to define the answer to that question.

One other guy I have to give praise to is Josh Childress. Talk about being everywhere. That guy made some really good defensive plays and was generally disruptive. You really need him to do that when Marvin is letting everything get by him. And I mean EVERYTHING. Chill was a real pick-me-up tonight.

Amazing. Pachulia and Horford combined for 28 minutes, yet Solomon gets no PT. Is he hurt, or is he in the doghouse still? Woody must really hate the guy. Is Jeremy Richardson a keeper or what? I don’t care that he went 1-5 tonight. What I care about is his willingness and ability to freakin’ shoot it. It was nice to see guys like him and Stoudamire spread the floor. And Bibby…he gets respect anywhere from 30+ feet on in. You have to love that.

I still want Woodson out of here. Hopefully we have enough gas left in the tank for Utah. It won’t be easy.

By SalimFan

February 23, 2008 1:41 AM | Link to this

LET THA HATERS KNOW SALIM!!!!

It was a total team effort, eveybody played geat tonight. J-Rich played a smart game tonight. I really Like our bench. JJ was aggressive right out of the gate wich is exactly what this team needs him to do. Hopefully he can continue to play like that.

Utah lost tonight so it will be an even playing feild.

By ray

February 23, 2008 1:45 AM | Link to this

Ken, good dang question. Salim showed exceptional quickness, and once guys realized he could shoot, they started crowding him. Which of course, allowed him to penetrate. As for Josh, we know he doesn’t have good handles. He tried to do more than he could. On top of that, they were running isolation plays for him to post up…which hasn’t been done for most of the season. He doesn’t play exceptionally well with his back to the basket. He’s got really quick spin moves though. Here’s my solution: have him work on his handles and his post moves even more…and run the dang plays for him more than once in a blue moon. See what the defense is giving, and take that. If it works, keep feeding him and teach him to pass it back out (without turning it over) at the right time. Of course, asking Woody to do this is like asking a fish not to swim or birds not to sing…

Reese, if we had Magloire I’d be cool with your lineup suggestion. In fact, it makes perfect sense. You adjust to go smaller if it is advantageous to do so. By the way, nice analysis of the game.

Once again, however, JJ was played too many minutes. Other than that, I thought the game was better managed than usual. Then again, that might be because Bibby was making all the substitution and play calls from the bench, heh heh heh! I still want Woody the heck out of here…I hope he goes for that Indiana job. He’d be perfect in the land of Bobby-ball. I know he probably has too much class and professionalism (I will certainly give him that) to pull a Bobby Petrino, but I’d like him elsewhere all the same.

By mykhalc

February 23, 2008 2:00 AM | Link to this

preston, SALIM will NOT be resigned IMHO. he’ll go somewhere where he’ll find his groove…ala EDDIE HOUSE in BOS. look for JEREMY RICHARDSON to get the spot.

whoever said it earlier, JJ WAS on a mission tonite!!! good to see him step up and have his A game at the same time.

there were a lot of players that contributed tonite…SALIM, JJ, CHILS, SMOOVE (too many TO’s tho), but BIBBY makes all the difference in attitude on the court. the cat is a cold-blooded player!!! you can tell there ain’t NO DOUBT in his game!!! definitely the kinda player the team needed!!!

despite the win, how in the hell does WOODSON not have HORFORD back in the game at the 5min mark???? HORFORD on the bench, on this team??? SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN BY CHOICE!!!

WOODSON’s gotta go…PERIOD!!!

MARVIN, tho he hit the glass tonite, really does not wanna be seen in crunch time. SMOOVE wants to be seen but still has to work on those handles. but it’s good to see him get the ball in the post!!

By Ken Strickland

February 23, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

RAY-our bigs didn’t get many mins because Nellie went to small ball in the 2nd half. JSmith was our center for most of the 2nd half. The lineup that finished the gm for us was Chills, JSmith, Bibby, JJ and Marvin.

Everyone in the NBA knows what Salim is capable of doing, including Woodson. But there is something personal going on between the two, which happens. However, it shouldn’t be allowed to affect the team. How many comments have been posted about trading for a shooter, especially Miller? How many times have I commented about the shooter(Salim) we already have and won’t utilize?

Did you see the trouble he and JJ caused for GS when JJ posted up? They had trouble deciding whether to double JJ or keep Salim covered. They had to delay the double team until JJ got too close to the basket. When he passed it out to Salim the defender had to cover too much ground and Salim just faked and stepped up for his shot. That was much better than JJ pounding the ball trying to beat a double team to find a shot. I saw Marvin take and make a 3pt shot and he did it rather easily. It was waved off by a 3second call.

We can beat Utah tonight. Bibby and Salim’s speed and quickness will put pressure on DWilliams. Having an additional outside shooter(Bibby) will really pressure their DEF. Also, they’ll have to deal with JSmith’s inside gm this time. The last time these 2 teams met Josh was still having an affair with his 3pt shot. A win tonight will work wonders for the confidence of the players and the team overall. I really hope Woodson is offered and accepts the Indiana job. It would be a win win situation for everyone if it happens that way.

By familyguy

February 23, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

Trading Josh Smith =DUMB(Balkman/Lee)

Not Trading Marvin Williams = DUMB

Not Firing Woodson = DUMB