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WIPE OUT!

By Sekou K Smith | Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 02:05 AM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

LOS ANGELES - Close your eyes and pretend you’re somewhere else for the next two hours and than you’ll know how the Hawks felt Tuesday night.

The complete and total wipe out that was their 122-93 loss to the Showtime Los Angeles Lakers (fine, it wasn’t Showtime but it felt like it at times) at STAPLES Center ruined Mike Bibby’s Hawks debut.

It did make for a perfect night of celeb watching at the one arena that houses more of them than any other. But even the stars felt sorry for the Hawks, who got caught with a few left hooks early and went the canvas shortly thereafter.

The only reason no one stopped this thing before it got out of hand is because it was out of hand from the start.

Bibby even bruised his right heel in the third quarter, making all the fuss about his arrival as the Hawks’ true point guard, seem like nothing but hype.

Granted, it’s not fair to judge Bibby after just 24 hours with his new team. And honest to goodness, you couldn’t have asked for a more pressure packed situation to go into - being traded over All-Star Weekend and then having to battle the Lakers in their first home game after an extended road trip.

Bibby’s listed as day-to-day, but it’ll take an act of congress to keep him off the floor at Arco Arena for the Hawks-Sacramento Kings game (also known as Tradegate).

“It’s tough,” Bibby said after the game, his right foot drowning in a bucket of ice. “We’ve been together for about 24 hours. It’s my second day with the guys. It’ll come. The good thing is we get to get it back [Wednesday].”

Had I been barking orders at the Hawks, they’d have had to get it back Tuesday night. You can’t let anyone push you around the way the Lakers did and not expect everyone else that’s going to see you on this five-game road trip to try and do you the same way.

The Kings want a piece of you. So do the Warriors, Jazz and Spurs. Everybody is going to attack the Hawks the same way, with pressure, physical play and relentlessly.

Hawks coach Mike Woodson said his team didn’t compete in the first half. Ya think? I don’t ever remember a team being down 41 points in the first half of game that didn’t involve the Washington Generals.

It was as stunning as anything I’ve ever seen.

That’s why it’s hard for me to pin too much of this on Bibby.

“In fairness to Mike,” Woodson said, “it’s going to take him some time. And unfortunately, we don’t have time. The clock is ticking on us staying in the [Eastern Conference playoff] hunt.”

The one worry I had about the move to get Bibby, and there was only concern I had, is if came too late. The Hawks needed a change a month ago, three weeks ago, a West Coast road trip ago.

It didn’t happen. And the Hawks might be kicking themselves for not acting sooner come mid-April.

In the meantime, the Hawks have to pop their chemistry in a microwave safe dish and cook it on high for 10 minutes. And don’t even bother letting it cool. They have to learn each other on the fly or surrender their playoff dreams to the scrap heap that is the Hawks’ recent past.

That said, one game with the new crew might be too soon to make lasting judgments (and I’d have said the same thing had the Hawks won Tuesday).

And this is most certainly a new crew. “Not just because of Mike,” Josh Smith said. “We’ve got guys who have been here who haven’t played and are in new roles now, so everybody has to make an adjustment when you are a new team. And when your name is called you have to respond.”

Again, one game is too soon to tell.

“One game is not enough,” Josh Childress said. “As this trip goes on, we’ll see how good this team can be. But we need more than one practice and one game to get it all together.”

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By tb

February 20, 2008 2:36 AM | Link to this

Well, we got creamed by one of the best teams in the league in their house with a team led by a new PG.

It will take time. Couldn’t Woodson think of something to counter-act LA’s aggressive play? Seems like a decent coach with a decent team could have found some strategy to slow down that first half onslaught.

By Clyde

February 20, 2008 2:38 AM | Link to this

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By bravesfan79

February 20, 2008 2:39 AM | Link to this

“Bibby even bruised his right heel in the third quarter”

WTF was Bibby doing in the game anyways in a 40 point blowout!??
Woodson is a terrible coach and Knight is a terrible GM. All i gotta say is… Go Rockets! Tmac and Yao, now THATS how u build a team!! You know, if the Hawks got Van Gundy (rockets old coach) and got a shot blocking center Gundys system would work great considering the abilities of Josh Smith.
Until we trade Marvin (overhyped) Williams, and Josh Smith stops jacking 3’s like hes Larry Bird, this team will never get further than the 2nd round at best in the playoffs! Thats assuming they even get the 6th or better spot.

By ray

February 20, 2008 2:45 AM | Link to this

One game is ALWAYS too soon. Though I didn’t get to see the game (and glad of it), it would appear that the Lakers were on, we were off, and it’s that simple. Even if we were on, they are a more talented and powerful group. And better coached…but we won’t get into that.

Here’s to the next game, and the next, and the next.

Sekou, “too late” would come as no surprise. I still think things will be better before very long, but then as you said, we don’t have very long. All the same (and I know this will sound harsh) if this finally puts Woody in his place (wherever the hell that is, as long as it isn’t HERE as our HC), then so be it.

And I ain’t pinning anything on Bibby. He came into a disastrous situation that has always been one or two steps away from absolute catastrophe or legitimacy. Well, one or two steps roster-wise. The rest of it…I’ll leave that alone for now.

By Casey

February 20, 2008 3:02 AM | Link to this

No matter what Bibby does, it won’t change the fact that you can’t win without a coach.

By Mac-Town

February 20, 2008 3:24 AM | Link to this

Man This really sucks. We had the 7th Spot to ourselves, if only we could have held on to it.

Anyone checked the standings? the BULLS are only “1” game behind us and Pacers and Bucks are not far behind.

We are on the outside lookin in and are in the MIDDLE of the pack of 6-13 spots in the east

We have to win NOW…granted all of these teams OVERALL are inconsistent and several will probably keep losing along with us (if we keep playin badly)

but you have to expect that out of the 8 teams fightin for 3 spots some of them are gonna get hot.

By tony

February 20, 2008 3:29 AM | Link to this

bk & mw are the problem with this team not the players folks! i was against the joe johnson trade, the anthony johnson trade last year and i was against this trade because we had to give up our 2nd rd pick and it left this team with a weak bench. while bk is on the job training the fans are the ones who got to suffer the consequences for his bad decisions. we need magic johnson to replace him and we need kurt rambis to replace mw or at lease hire a former-well known nba player who has a championship on his resume…

By Ice Mac RED

February 20, 2008 3:37 AM | Link to this

Hey everywhere I’ve gone with hawks fans I see this being said “we’re too talented to be losing like this”

Yeah there are some nice pieces on our team but after looking at game after game after game, is it me or is it that ACTUALLY most of these teams just have more talent than us (especially on the bench)

It seems everybody we face has all sorts of weapons coming out of nowhere to kill us, types of pieces we just dont have.

Think about it, Horford and Smith are playing out place. Marvin is a Joke. Just now getting a PG. NO BENCH. NO COACH.

We are lucky to be even where we are right now. WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE.

I see why greg anthony picked us to finish last in the east now.

By jc_dawg

February 20, 2008 3:52 AM | Link to this

I still think the trade for Bibby was a good one for the Hawks…but I think it will end up costng Woodson his job. The bar may simply be too high now for the Hawks.

This Hawks team showed that they are still a ways off from putting together a 40 win season. Had we had Bibby from the start…then sure 40-45 games are dooable.

No playoffs and I think Woodson is gone. The pressure lies squarely on the shoulders of Woodson. He must get this team and new pt guard up to snuff and fast. His career over the next 10 games is really on the line.

And for Gods sakes…keep the nucleus(current starting 5…Childress and Law) of this improving team together for the future. They are young and they need to grow together. 35 wins this season will easily lead to 40-45 next year. I just dont know if they are willing to give Woodson another year.

Look for a good many technicals from Woodson over the next few weeks. His job is on the line.

By sax

February 20, 2008 4:07 AM | Link to this

“Its Over” No bench, coach, and a stubborn GM, that finally got a PG 3 years too late. Could have a made alot more money for the owners if he would have drafted Paul, and Roy in the next draft. I think the GM is overpayed. Get a new GM from the Spurs front office that doesn’t have any affilation with Duke. (see Danny Ferry’s Cavs mess).

By Tree Rollins

February 20, 2008 4:20 AM | Link to this

Suckers.

By Bob Rathbun

February 20, 2008 4:30 AM | Link to this

Uhhh you guys drank too much kool-aid. Just with the addition of Bibby, you actually believed that Hawks could compete againt one of elite teams in the West? Hawks could beat Lakers if and only if Shaq and Kidd were traded to Hawks, Gasol didn’t go to Lakers, and Kobe sat because his right pinky.

Face it, Bibby isn’t Jordan (hell, Jordan probably can’t do it himself if he were here). Hawks can not compete againt any Top West 9 teams (probably not even Blazers) or Top 2 East teams (again, probably not even Orl or Cav). We shoud just expect that with the addition of Bibby, Hawks can beat other JV teams in the East, get to the playoff, and get swept in the 1st round. Zaza is at best a backup center, Horford is still too young and he is a 4, not a 5. Unless we a legit center, Hawks at best is a .500 team in the East.

By RA

February 20, 2008 5:15 AM | Link to this

Ah, that was going to happen. Last night was on of those games that the Hawks had lost even before they got into the arena… It’s usually a bad idea to have to build chemistry against one of the elete teams in basketball… Anyway, I don’t worry about those types of losses. It’s failures like the one against Bobcats that’ll come back and bite uss in the rear in the end…

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 20, 2008 5:43 AM | Link to this

Ain’t surprised that they lost. On the road against the Lakers looking for revenge for the blown game last week, it would have been surprising if it wasn’t a blowout. It’s kind of concerning that Bibby gets injured in his first game as a Hawk though, after being injured all year. He showed some flashes, but you could tell from his shooting that whatever caused him to come up limping was bothering him. The more time he misses, the longer it takes for this offense to come together. We all know Woodson’s not gonna help that process any.

Oh yeah, about Zaza… would it be possible to trade him to some overseas team, like the Phillies pretended to do to their pitcher? Because at this point if the Hawks try to trade him to another NBA team for anything of value, I think the other GM would just laugh and hang up the phone. The only thing he’s good for at this point is to be a spokesman for Proactiv.

By tony

February 20, 2008 6:19 AM | Link to this

not only do we have a mediocre hc & gm but we also have mediocre fans. some of u except defeat by the so-call elite teams but can’t except defeat by teams like the bobcats! now that my freind is putting the horse before the cart! i don’t care who we play, we play to win against every team we play no matter how good u think they r. don’t forget, these are pros not high school athletes. once again, we need a new gm & a new hc who can take this team to the nba finals n not just settle to make it to the 1st rd of the playoffs just to loss when we get there!!!!!!!!!

By kurtz

February 20, 2008 6:26 AM | Link to this

Got news… Hawks not a good basketball team. Track and field team? Maybe. Ball does not move well between players when on offense. Offense consists of one on one play with bail out pass when Hawk player can’t even force a shot.

Bibby is easily the most intuitive passer on the team. He gives the Hawks two triple threat players on offense. Unfortunately, a small team needs 3 on the court to run a winning half court offense.

Hawks seem designed to play pressure defense all game using 10+ players, pushing and trapping, creating turnovers and breakaway layups. They have never had the guards that were able to play that style against the better teams in the league. It does not appear that the entire team has bought into a winning style of play and imposed it on the opposition. Meaning, playing active defense to force the ball into the hands of weaker offensive players and focussing as a team on taking advantage of opposition’s weakness.

Case in point, the Lakers decided the Hawks would have difficulty bringing the ball out of their own end last night(news flash = Hawks do not handle the ball well), pressured the ball, forced turnovers and built a lead on turnovers and defensive breakdowns while disrupting the Hawks offense.

During the same stretch, the Hawks played a passive man to man that had difficulty keeping up with the Lakers motion. The difference in basketball skill, mental determination and team focus would be apparent to all but the blind.

By Left to Right

February 20, 2008 6:40 AM | Link to this

Fire Woodson. Fire Knight.

Fire Don Waddell.

Too bad we can’t fire the Atlanta Spirit.

By Mac-Town

February 20, 2008 6:44 AM | Link to this

We cant run and push the ball if people are gonna have SLIPPERY hands

By 1999 and counting

February 20, 2008 7:06 AM | Link to this

Hey I just about something. Everybody is praising B for this move, well not me.

Anthony was a DECENT point guard and T. Lue was PROVEN TO BE clutch.

What we have showed that we TRULY needed was HELP ON THE FRONT LINE.

We needed to get a big man/big men more than give up 2 decent point guards for 1 good one

we COULD have lived with Lue/Johnson but we CANT live with out front court now.

Dumb Move.

By Masood

February 20, 2008 7:07 AM | Link to this

Bright spots from last night:

1) Zaza and Solo combined for 19 rebounds (8 offensive) in 33 minutes.

2) Jeremy Richardson isn’t gun shy…And he can shoot!

3) Acie Law’s confidence is finally back, and he is as good a backup PG you’ll find when he plays like he did last night.

Combine the above with the fact that the Hawks now boast one of the best starting fives in the league and one of it’s best 6th men, and you’re looking at a very formidable 10 man rotation.

In short, have patience, Hawks fans. The Pistons weren’t built in a day.

By kwooden1

February 20, 2008 7:29 AM | Link to this

Sounded like the guys got overwelmed by the moment, especially the bench. The game was OK until the first set of substitutions and after that we never could really get the game back under control. It looked like Gasol was embarrassed by Horford the last time they played and was NOT going to let that happen again. The rest of the Hawks were probably watching Bibby just like we all were. I hate all losses and especially one like this one. I just hope that Bibby had a minor injury, but it was good to see Law get a lot of time. I will eat crow for saying the organization wasn’t going to help the team, the trade for Bibby was very good. (I hope it turns out great)
We all know this road trip is going to be a killer, so lets keep the expectations at 1-4 and then see what they can do afterwards.

GO HAWKS!!

By Willie Coyote

February 20, 2008 7:45 AM | Link to this

The Hawks couldn’t make any shots and they were pathetically lazy with the ball. The Lakers couldn’t miss and benefited from the lack of everything by the Hawks.

One thing that would have helped stop the bleeding earlier would have been a fair whistle. But, alas, this is the NBA.

By RA

February 20, 2008 7:48 AM | Link to this

Hey Bob Rathbum. Can I call you Bob? Great. Uhm, you need to check your facts because the last time I checked, the Hawks BEAT the Lakers in Atlanta and I’ll have to make sure, but I don’t think they had Shaq or Jason Kidd. Sekou, I am right on that aren’t I??? Oh, and as a team with a new point guard getting embarrassed by one of the elite teams in the West, the Lakers are going to embarrass a lot of teams before the game is over.

Look Bob, if you want to join in the pile on, be my guest. I figure after last night the Hawks will have more hot air blown in their faces than any other team in basketball, same as usual, but get your facts straight.

By ChefCourtney

February 20, 2008 7:53 AM | Link to this

I used to be the personal chef for one of the traded players. I think Bibby is a great addition to the team. While I hate that my client was traded, I believe the Hawks will come out on top by the end of next season only if they get rid of the coach and the gm.

M. Beasley is coming out of school early and the Hawks should grab him…

In need of a chef?www.desirableinches.com/ChefServices.htm

By NEW COACH PLEASE

February 20, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this

WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE HAWKS COACHING STAFF IS THEY CANNOT MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IN THE CHARLOTTE GAME THEY COULDNT MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO DEFEND THE PICK AND ROLL AND GOT BURNED BY IT THE WHOLE GAME SAME WITH THIS GAME WOODSON CANNT MAKE ADJUSTMENST WE GOT OUR PG WE NEEDED NOW LETS GET THE COACH

By wink from lithonia

February 20, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this

Wow, the Lakers are not who we thought they were…who in God’s name were those other guys??????

By will

February 20, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this

my church team could’ve done better, at least the coach plays and contributes something.

By Jay

February 20, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this

Relax folks. You people jump on and off the bandwagon at the drop of a hat.

Great points by Masood, all of which will improve play over the next 10 games. The difference in last night’s game was defensive intensity, coaching and shooting. It was obvious we could not defend LA in the half-court, but no adjustments were made (as kurtz mentioned). I don’t think the Hawks even have a full-court trapping defense like the Lakers displayed, but it would make since if we are going to be a running team. Good coaching by Phil and his staff. I think our overall philosophy is flawed and we still don’t know who we are at this point in the season (run on offense, passive on defense). We also couldn’t throw it in the ocean! Marv is one dimensional and Zaza is a stiff. Solo showed flashes and JR earned some playing time. Salim gets the quick hook, but he is here to make shots.

P.S. Our roster just does not compare to other NBA teams, bottom line.

GO HAWKS!!!!

By R. Kelly

February 20, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

I think the expectations of this team is far to high with the talent we have. We have a bunch of role players and no legit super stars or even stars for that matter. With the addition of Bibby, we have only one proven player. Josh Smith, whom most of you are quite fond of, is a more atheletic Dennis Rodman. He has just been forced into trying to become more because he is on the Hawks. Joe Johnson, as he was in Phoenix, that was why he thrived there, is a number three option at best. Marvin Williams, please, I can not even think of his strengths. I guess he can hit a mid range jumper every now and then when he is wide open. I do not know what the hell BK was thinking about drafting him with the number two pick. How can you pick some one that high and he is not the star, not to mention he did not even start, of his college team. What a dumb move. Al Hortford, is another Otis Thorpe. A great board and defensive man, but not a real threat in the post. Josh Childress, does what is expected of him. He is a good sixth man brings energy and is versatile. With that being said, tell me where is all this playoff winning talent. We have no lost post threat, and until recently we did not have a true outside shooter. Don’t get me wrong, in the weak east if we had a coach we should be in the playoffs, but with the combination of talent, or lack thereof we have, and dumb coaching we are relegated to the outside looking in.

By richbrave

February 20, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

Too bad - Too sad. But time will heal all wounds. Give Bibby and Woodson a chance to work together. And take this from the game. At least now you know how far the Hawks must go to become a championship caliber team.

By Bubba of Buckhead

February 20, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

Mike Woods and Billy Knight need to go

It’s apparant there are many problems with all the long post. The team played pathetic last night. I got stomach pains watching the first half.

By Joker

February 20, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

Marvin Williams sux

By Lorso

February 20, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

Can’t say I’m surprised by the loss - though I’d hoped for a better showing.

Two questions:

1) Why not put Marvin on the bench, and let him lead the 2nd team with Childress? Try Zaza in the middle for a while, and let Al and Josh play their natural positions more of the time.

2) What are the chances of our getting Scottie Skiles into town to coach this team? Nothing personal against Woodson - but I love Skiles, and he has a proven track record helping young athletic teams to succeed (Phoenix, Chicago… even as a veteran player with Orlando in the mid ’90s). As an added plus, I can’t think of a better coach to tutor and mold Acie Law III into the leader he needs to be for these Hawks in the future.

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this

I’d trade Marvin and Zaza for a Whopper combo.

By randy

February 20, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this

Bibby getting hurt after 13 minutes of action? Speedy Claxton must have made the road trip to LA and gave Bibby his contagious leg disease.

By joebrave

February 20, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this

What in the world was that LOAD OF CRAP,last night??? FIRE WOODSON NOW!!!!!!

By roan st

February 20, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

Sekou, I love you’re work and how you keep the blogs rolling. But please quit refering to bibby as a top flight point guard. The hawks made a good trade in landing bibby because they gave up zilch to get him. And he is absolutely still a good player IF he can stay healthy. But lets not pretend that he is still the same player he was at the height of his career. Bibby is not a savior for this team and others MUST step up if we are going to make the playoffs.

By Yoyo

February 20, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

Stephen A Smith spoke about the Hawks on 680 yesterday. He said the problem is in how they draft. Good teams always draft a PG or C with a high pick but the Hawks refuse to do this and passed up on many excellent options. He all but said BK has done a terrible job. He thinks we need a superstar to get the fans interested again. That could have been Paul, Roy, or many others.

When Woody gets fired at the end of the year, it will come 2 years too late in the fans’ eyes. The only way credibility is restored is for both BK and Woody to be canned.

By MikeJones

February 20, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

Marvin’s desire to be become a dominate force in a league, any league, has lead him to tryout for the Atlanta Dream. So far so good, as Marvin is quoted as saying “I like it cause they don’t push so much. Those boobs they have are gross though.” -AP

By daddyrichbb

February 20, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

Where was Joe Johnson last night? That first half may have been the worst I have seem him play in a hawks uniform.

By TechMan

February 20, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

Was it just me…didn’t Bibby seem outta shape and still hampered by his injury. Probably, won’t be ready until next year…oh well, another person the hawks have chosen to downgrade their stock.

By TechMan

February 20, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

Was it just me…didn’t Bibby seem outta shape and still hampered by his injury. Probably, won’t be ready until next year…oh well, another person the hawks have chosen to downgrade their stock.

By Willie Coyote

February 20, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Joe played bad in the first half because Kobe was allowed a ridiculous amount of contact when he was on defense. If someone of Kobe’s caliber is afforded that much defensive contact with no fouls being called, then there’s no way around him.

By seeker

February 20, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

yes, it was a debacle last night but you could see what Bibby will bring. In the first quarter he had some awesome passes that our point guards from before would never do or could do. If only the other clowns on the team could put the ball in the hoop-not into the side of the rim, not dribbling off your foot or into the opposing team…….Joe Johnson. He was punked by kobe. Woodson could have done better(adjustments) but he was not the one fumbling and bumbling the ball at every turn.It was comical-we would get a steal(at least three times in the first half) and immediately turn it over. Bibby was not responsible for all the bumlingfumbling. Bibby did also have two in and out three point shots- he will get those next time. What the hell is marvin and chill doing…..oyy…..all of them. Law was the only bright spot. Horf being out with foul trouble did not help either. Despite the debacle, I am stil optimistic about the rest of the season. Oh yeah, though bibby is not supposed to be a good defender, he got steal/steals and deflections.

By daddyrichbb

February 20, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

That is true about Kobe on Joe. It was funny when Joe did the same thing to him and got called for a foul!

By Mike

February 20, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Ray I agree, HTF can anyone expect a guy that�s been with a team all of 24 hours to make an impact when the team has been design to get the ball to one guy. It�s gonna takes some reps in practice before these guys can get a good feel for Bibby. The whole system has been design to get the ball to JJ. I didn�t get a chance to see the game and thAnk god I didn�t, but I�m willing to bet there was a bunch of guys standing around, and looking tentative. There are still enough games remaining for Bibby to make a huge contribution to this team.

In order for Bibby to help this team Woody has to give Bibby full control. That�s just something I don�t see happening. Maybe Woodson proves me wrong, I doubt it.
Hey if this get�s Woodson out of here, than great!!!!

The Lakers are projected to be one of the teams to be in the Western Conference finals. Like someone said, in terms of talent and coaching, the Hawks were simply over matched. But to write the Hawks off with half of season left and they are 2 or 4 games away from the 6th, 7th, and 8th spot is crazy.

I still say despite Woody this team will make the playoff. Boy I would love to see Larry Drew get a chance to run this team, if you�re reading BK.

DAM THE TORPEDOES, GO BIBBY AND GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By ATL Rattler

February 20, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

Yeah you have to watch out for Speedy he’s very contagious! Good one. On the real though, I guess the loss last night should have been expected, but without the raping, pillaging, & beheading!!!! Having your new player come in, at the beginning of a brutal 5 game road trip is damn tough to do. If we were at home against some of the other mediocre east teams, then this looks a bit better. I think it goes back to the top. I love the trade, don’t get me wrong, but I guess BK had to have the writing on the wall for him in life size graffiti - seeing the Hawks drop in to the 9th spot with the roster we had….I hope it’s not too late. If they only pick up 1 win while their out there, they’ve created a huge hill to climb.

One other point. NOW we HAVE to play Salim & Solo, and they almost look like they’re new additions to the team. If only some block head box wearing coach would have given these guys more floor time in the past perhaps this wouldn’t be the case. I was glad to see Law forced into more court time last night (silver lining of Bibby getting hurt).

By randy

February 20, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

Joe Johnson, an all-star? I think not.

Any way we can retrodraft either Paul or Deron? If not, trade Marvin for a ham sandwich and fire BK.

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

Artest guarding Marvin, should be a site to see. Not to mention, seeing Sheldon, AJ, and the closer in they’re new uni’s. Come on Woodson, we’ve goota have this one tonight. None more excuses!

By dashizz357

February 20, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

It’s not the hawks fault! It’s Kobes fault,aka Lord of the Rings. Stop blaming the coach, blame the players,they get paid alot to ball! they had no heart & just didn’t show up. Playoffs, Playoffs!!!!

By Marie

February 20, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

Despite Bibby (the new Speedy), the Hawks were still way out of their league last night. What a hilarious game against the Lakers!

By Dean

February 20, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

No matter how much talent is on this team, and we all agree there is a good nucleus, you cannot win without proper direction. And Woody is CLUELESS when it comes to running an offense. I realize it’s mid-season and there may not be a lot of coaching candidates out there, but c’mon. Anything less than 2 wins on this trip and change must be made. I was only half joking when I said bring in Hubie Brown for the rest of the season to light a fire, then let him help select his successor. We need someone to show these guys what it means to be professional and come to play EVERY night!

By VickBeliever

February 20, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

Nothing is going to change for the Hawks until they get a new coach. This team has to many bad habits that Mike Woodson have aloowed over the last 3 years. None of the players have roles that they need to stay in and perfect. Rotation that Woodson imploys does not keep chemistry flowing correctly. He is the reason for at least 10 losses.

By hudson

February 20, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

We had great play from the bench. The lakers played great D. Mainly Kobe on Joe; he was trying to get revenge for Joe showing him up at the last game in Atlanta.
Expect a win tonight!

By robdawg06

February 20, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

I watched the first half in horror ! I thought I watching Wrong Turn 2. That was an ugly game. Childress and Zaza looked like it was their first time playing basketball with the poor ball handling and all the fouls on Gasol. Five points and 3 assists from Bibby is pathetic. Same old sorry azz Hawks !

By #21=Top 50,1stBallot

February 20, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

Can’t say this massive overeaction wasn’t expected. I think a lot of you underestimate the drastic nature of our roster change. As was stated, I think it was just going to be a tall order for everything to gel in time for us to win. (Not making excuses for what happened- worst first half of a game I’ve EVER seen; just saying though). The constant barking Bibby was doing on the court shows that they’ll have to get on the same page; they will.

At the same time I think people missed some of the positives that exhibited themselves last night (some have been stated already, but…)

Bibby gives Al someone to finally pick and roll with. Once Al learns how to set a pick without committing a foul, Bibby has the ability to both hit the J or dump it off to Al on the lob. He showed ability to do both.
Bibby is a real (as opposed to “true”) PG, he wants the ball on the break and has the vision to find creases in the D in either open court or half court set.
Free of worry from the quick hook, Acie should begin to assert himself on the offensive end more. When he had been on the court previously, he was too deferrential with shots (all he did was stand at top of the point and swing). His ability to penetrate and hit the occasional shot should continue to grow as he knows there is nobody else to get him. It’s not saying we have “little else”, it’s saying “it’s on me now”- a mindset that brought him success at A&M. The second half speaks to this.
Jeremy Richardson and Salim will get opportunities to open the floor with the 3 ball, it will be up to them to make them though.
Solomon at least gives us another shot blocking presence in the middle if/when Smoov, Al are out. He has A LOT to learn, but he generally gets after it, something Zaza nor Lo really did.

I know that seems like a lot for a game that wasnt nearly as close as the score indicated (ridiculous, I know), but these all seem to be signs of difference that were on display last night. Time will tell- not that the past 9 years haven’t, but I’m still here.

RISE UP

By DD

February 20, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

The Hawks won’t be a serious NBA franchise until they get radio representation in the suburbs. Until then, don’t complain about how the community doesn’t support the Hawks.

By CDS

February 20, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

Joe Johnson may be the poorest excuse for an All-Star ever. Right before the game started, I made a comment on another Hawks blog about being worried about the defense and bench. Seems like I had a right to be worried because the Lakers just exposed us last night. If you take away Horford, we have no one left. Guys settling for jump shots instead of taking it to the paint (aside from Childress). If Shelden was such a bust at the #5 pick, then what is Marvin? He still has nothing to his game other than a jumper that he hits occasionally. But our total lack of defense and size is going to kill us. Not only can we not guard the perimeter, we can’t guard the interior once Josh and Al have to leave the game.

Knight waited way too long to make this deal for Bibby. It’s going to take longer than this 5 game road trip for them to get used to each other. By that time, we should be out of the playoff race. As long as this leads to firing Woodson sometime seen.

By Clyde

February 20, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

Good post YoYo. I have a t-shirt for you.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By robdawg06

February 20, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

Uh, who told you yesterday that the Hawks needed a big man and only drafted forwards and off guards ? Yours truly. I think Billy Knight might be retarded for drafting two more forwards when you already have 5 forwards,no center,and no point guard.

By Paul Hamilton

February 20, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

You know all I hear are the types of excuses that are responsible for the current losing streak and will probably lead this team to just missing the playoffs. Maybe the NBA will extend the season so the Hawks can have enough time to adjust to their “new team” as Smith calls it. The looked like the “old team” last night.

By robdawg06

February 20, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Kobe could have both his hands in casts and still school M.Williams,J.Smith,and J.Childress one on one. And Paul Gasol looked like a young Hakeem Olajuwon scoring all those points with layups. Disastrous.

By Dr. Warren

February 20, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

Fred McGriff was about the only mid-season acquisition in Atlanta history that did a lot for his team. The rest were busts, as Bibby will be, too. I predict he misses half the games to injury and never gets in good shape. He’ll be gone by the summer.

By robdawg06

February 20, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

If Ben Wallace was guarding Gasol you can bet Gasol wouldn’t be dunking and hitting layups. If he tried that he would have a broken arm after about two tries. We need a big center to control the paint and make teams take jump shots and three’s. Teams can score from anywhere on the floor against these Hawks (inside,outside,deep,short,anywhere).

By dezelee

February 20, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Man, we got it handed to us , that was truly embarassing. Lakers are finally an Elite team, they smothered us and caused turnovers like they were an expected occurance. If Kobes pinky hurts I sure couldn’t tell, they wiped the floor and more than avenged the prior loss. I’m hopong Bibby integrates himself quickly, we have some good pieces but looked like a high school team against the Lakers, I can see why everyones calling them the favorites to come out of the western conference. Well, hopefully we get them tonight, somthing needs to stoke the fire for Bibby!

By I.MUS WRITE

February 20, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

My god how fast they turn……

Last nights loss was horrible- for the simple fact that our guyz didnt compete. The Lakers will be playing in the western conference finals… I believe they are that talented so letz not eat our young for going 1-1 against a far superior team.

For those hating on Mr. Bibby….. Come on, all season long i heard get a good PG, well BK did that. Itz gonna take more than two practices to build cohesion. Look at the trade people…. We got Bibby for 2 old slow pg’s, Sheldon- a draft day misfire, and the worlds tallest practical joker.

J.Richardson- is a gunner off the bench-he’s got the range we been missing

Marvin Williams- Is a dam clown, i counted 5 layups from his man….. trade him for picks

Acie: Im slowly starting to believe -he looked good last night -him and Bibby will be a nice combo

Big man needed …. K.Frenscenko =goon for hire

By new jersey faithful

February 20, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

JJ can shoot(barely), but he cannot pass and he cannot dribble out of trouble! The more I watch him play, the less I like his game!! And Salim is a great shooter?? Coulda fooled me!!

By Joe

February 20, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

To all on this blog. If the Hawks come home 0-5, go to the next home game. You’ll have your choice of seats.

Arghhhhhhhh.

By Singindablues

February 20, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

Plain and simple - a total embarrassment. No excuse for a professional team to suck that badly in this situation.

By jami$$ion

February 20, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

Badnight no need 2 panic.Were only 2games out the 6th & 6games out 5th so be easy.MIKE dont be so hard on the team it’s 1game,but if yall feel froggy jumpship,more room 4realfans.LORSO good point,I’ve bn lobbying 4 SKILES 2 coach here excellent fit 4us.COYOTE,that superstar treatment KOBE got vs JJ was bogus.This was plain getback 4 them by the league.TERRELL BARRON, I feel ya bro,it’s gone take time,time Woody don’t have.Did any1 notice BK is on the roadtrip?His job is on the line trust me& 4 he go MW goes

By Peter

February 20, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

What a joke this team has become……let’s see what have we gotten over the last drafts one maybe two players ?

We just traded a 5th pick along with a proven back up point, and two other players and a second round draft choice for one guy who MAY make a difference.

Good job on the drafts, great choice in the coach..HA HA HA…. this team will be going no where soon………

Also when the guys like both Josh’s have a chance to go to Free agency and get the heck out of here they will be gone……

We are still missing a legitimate center, and if we get one, who sits?

What a cluster duck this team is……they will be losers for years to come.

By Jo Bling

February 20, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

The irony of this trade is in the timing. It really couldn’t have been worse. We needed Bibby weeks ago. Instead, he comes in at the start of a murderous road trip that will probably leave us in too big of a hole to climb out of. So, the Hawks finally do the right thing, but being the Hawks, the timing is all off.

That game was over last night when Woodson put ZaZa in and four seconds later Gasol spun around him for a dunk and one. Game over.

And what the heck is wrong with Joe Johnson? Something ain’t right.

By Astro Joe

February 20, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

Sekou, so can you ask JJ about that over the shoulder shot that he has taken at least twice in the past 3-4 games? I’m interested in knowing if that has replaced the fall-away, off-balance 20 foot kick and heave shot that he loves so much. Seriously, we go NO WHERE if he can’t string together a dozen or so All-Star worthy performances. Yes, we need Marvin to return to his early season form and we need Zaza to play like he did 2 seasons ago. But mostly, we need last year’s version of Joe if we’re going to sniff 40 wins this season. Actually, never mind.

19-13 in last 32 games? Whitney, can I borrow your line? Thanks. Hell to the NO!

By Stu

February 20, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

The Bibby trade was a good move. Shelden wasn’t playing much anyway so only real “loss” was Lue. While we do need one or two bigs (among other things)to compete for a ‘ship, I don’t think a big is absolutely essential for us to make the playoffs. Bottom line is this team ain’t going anywhere w/ Woodson as coach. He may be a good guy but it’s obvious that the players have tuned him out. The personnel of this team is built to run and I just don’t think ol’ Woody has the brains to figure that out. His half court sets which are basically isos w/ Joe or Josh leave a lot to be desired too. He does deserve some credit for the development of JSmoove, Chills and Marvin (painfully slow for my taste though) but that to me is an indication that he is abetter suited to be an assistant coach and not head coach material. Bring in Larry Brown! He’ll probably pull a Petrino and leave here after a year but at least he’d get us to the playoffs! Fratello? He got a bum ram in Cleveland and Memphis for running his slow ball but that was because of his personnel. He had the ol’ skool Hawks running and gunning back in the day and I think he could do the same again with this squad.

By Luther

February 20, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Its just one game, but considering that one game don’t you have to do some things as a coach to slow things down when a team is up 20 so that doesn’t become 40? You know stop trying to run on every Laker miss(especially because for some reason you can’t hold onto the ball tonight), use up the shot clock. If Koby is over playing Joe like he was, there is a simple solution since the begining of basketball; put him on his butt by having Joe run hard off some blind side picks without the ball.

By Atl Flavor

February 20, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

What was that?? Talk about getting Pimped Slapped!!Cold chills went over my body when I saw Bibby with the #10 on, LUE part Deux Deux. Bibby looked Frail as hell. No muscle tone at all. None of these guys do as a matter of fact. Did they stop lifting?? Joe got used by Koby because he came out there playing WEAK as HELL. He has no movement when he gets the ball. Just dribbles in between his legs. Marvin plays like he is running practice drills instead of playing in a game. Please Please Please get Al out of the 5 spot. The guy is 6’9 trying to handle 7 footers everynight. Put him at the 3 Josh 4 and ZaZa’s sorry azz at the 5. Put Marvin on the BENCH!!! Give weak side help to ZaZa and call it a day. STOP calling for Solo and Salim to play. J Rich was on target last night, but can he be everynight? Also something about his body language. Cant finger it, but something like Im p**. Did they trade Mario?? Woody go take a DAMN BATH. You looked like a bum last night. Did your bags get lost? A 3 day break isnt long enough to grow a beard. Just makes you look homeless. Ohhh by the way, the KINGs kicked Portlands azz last night. They are not missing Bibby too much. We will see just how much tonight!

By Melvin

February 20, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

Terrell, i think Artest will guard JJ tonite. He guarded Roy in the Portland game last nite and shut him down. If we could win 2 games during this westcoast road trip then we won’t lose much ground (if any) for a playoff spot. Our schedule after this WC road trip is more favorable b/c we will be playing against teams that we are competing with for a playoff spot and those teams are probably more interested in the lottery vs playing against Detroit or Boston in the playoffs. Winning those games will be decide if we make the playoffs…. Also, how come Woody did not allow Mario West to play in 30pt blowout game? Why was the starters still in the game in the 4th quarter of a 30 pt blowout game? Wouldn’t it have been wise to rest the starters for tonite’s game?Seems like that would have been a good opportunity for bench players to get some playing time. Wasn’t it the starters who allow the other team to build a 41pt 1st half lead. Even a headcoach from a Pee Wee league would have rest his starters. An unorthodox coach, unconventional GM, unbalance roster and disfunctional/broker owners spells DISASTER… Calgone please take the Hawks away from these INCOMPETENT people…

By preston

February 20, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

well, we were all “gung ho” a few days ago with an anticipated countdown to the start of this game…..but now I guess it is “back to life, back to reality”. I don’t know what to say…..I knew this game would be tough,but down 40 freakin’ points in the 2nd quarter? we were crying for a point guard, and I saw an immediate difference when Bibby started the game…….too bad he could not have played as much as the starters did in the first half. And just as someone posted yesterday, Salim and Solo should have been played more by Woody so that they could have been ready for their roles now……..but, Salim, just like Acie is trying to get his confidence back, that is why he throw up two quick shots when he got the ball……..I definately liked what I saw in Richardson…..why did it take us this long to bring this guy in? Marvin is really disappointing me….good mid range jumper, and absolutely nothing else. Woody, again looks clueless on the sides…..I can’t understand why he lets his team fall behind by double digits all the time bfore he calls a timeout……..as someone said last night, after the hawks got behind early, and made their mini-run of the game in the first quarter, Phil called a timeout to quell the hawks momentum…………I hate to say this, but it looks like we are headed back to more episodes of “The Woody Woodpecker Show”.

By AJ, Sheldon,T-Lue,Lorenzen

February 20, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

Great game last night fellows. We’ll see yall tomorrow night. Thanks for everything Woody, especially the trade.lol!

By msDee

February 20, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

How about we bench Joe Johnson and all his turnovers and start J Rich!! I mean the guy came out scoring with no hestition..Who cares if the top paid guy on the team is bench while a D-Leaguer takes his spot…I’m all for who gets the job done at that time, in that game!! I mean, we are trying to win right????

By Kelvin Sampson

February 20, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

Hey Woody, the Indiana job might be available in a day or 2. I heard your’re on the hot seat too my brother, so how about a switcharoo? I love Atlanta, and you could come back home. Whatcha think?

By atl reb

February 20, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

Mike Woodson sucks. Our third period adjustments are the worse, and that’s coaching. Marvin was number 2 pick in draft and can’t create his own shot. Billy Knight you are a terrible judge of talent. Got lucky with Josh Smith. He should’ve been our first pick in that draft and childress the second. Bibby will be ok. But not until we get rid of that coach. What the hell is JJ,Smith still in during 4th. Get Salim some run,SoLo makes great block on Kobe reverse, out after next time out.

By atl reb

February 20, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

Also Acie Law is playing better,but all i heard leading up to the draft was that they didn’t draft Crit because he couldn’t shoot, Acie can’t either. They just blow smoke up our rear. Tried to tell us JJ could run the point,so no need for Paul or Williams. Sheld was our frontline so no need for roy,or rudy gay. Rudy Gay is playing some 4 now. Can you think about him and Josh out on the breaks. Billy has to go. ASAP

By randy

February 20, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

How many times can Woodson say “Our guys just didn’t show up tonight” and get to keep his job. Playoffs or not, him and BK need to go.

By ATLawk

February 20, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

Kobe could’ve beaten the Hawks on his own last night.

By randy

February 20, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

I laughed when I seen Fisher posting up Mike Bibby. Fisher didn’t make the basket, but how are you getting posted up by little 5’4 Fisher??

Oh well, tonight is a new day, maybe we can pull off a win over the rebuilding Kings, cuz I seriously doubt we can even compete with Spurs and Jazz.

By Lil E

February 20, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

Mike Woodson needs to put his house up for sale. He’s going to moving to another city in the immediate future…

By Mike 912

February 20, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

Recently left the great GA state for Charlotte, NC. I was so excited by the Bibby pick up that I ordered League Pass yesterday to see his debut. That was the worst thing I have witnessed in a long while. One bright spot was J Rich, great to see a guy earning his 10 day contract. It looked like Marvin was the guy coming on board from the D League not him. Also where has Acie been? Woodson should have found more minutes for him in the first half of the season so he would be more prepared now. Woody is done! They need a change desperately and he is out of excuses.

By randy

February 20, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

I would love to see Marvin traded for a true center with some defense even if he can’t shoot that well. But someone with some presense inside. But what are the chances of BK admitting a mistake twice and getting rid of Marvin right after he dumped Shelden…

By atl reb

February 20, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

We need a tough defensive minded center. An enforcer. Tired of seeing people just float down the lane. No one to pack up Josh in the paint.

By capcr

February 20, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

By the way, did you guys watch the Kings game last night. I mean, no reason to watch a blowout, right? Sheldon plays for about 3 minutes. Came in a made a vicious block down close to the basket and a couple of nice rebounds and even scored. In fact, he did more to win that game for us than Bibby did all year. Maybe, just maybe you gave up on him to quick. Have fun with about 10 missed threes a game and no defence. Sure one or two nice passes and a few threes as long as no one guards Mike. With Kidd gone, Mike may be the 4th or fifth best point guard in the East now. But if this was supposed to seal the deal, well….maybe you guys would like Kenny Thomas.

See ya.

By Mr. KNOWITALL

February 20, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

*we dont need acie to shoot, we need him to penetrate - jsmooth needs to stop jackin up 3’s and shoot from inside 15 feet only - bibby needs to calm down and keep his turnovers to a minimum - woody needs to challenge zaza’s manhood, he takes the ball up weak - sit marvin and play jeremy richardson in his place hopefully marvin will then get a clue - let salim shoot his way into a groove - he cant get into a rhythm playing 2 or 3 mins at a time - jj and jchill are the best players on the team - they need to keep doing what they are doing *

By drmaryb

February 20, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

Osh Kosh Oh My Gosh!

Calm Down People…Calm Down! Fickle - Is the Word!

By Dean

February 20, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

Who’s a realistic candidate to replace Woody?

Rick Carlisle Jeff Van Gundy (cringe) Kelvin Sampson (ha, ha) Larry Brown Larry Drew

Anyone else?

By Hawkamanic81

February 20, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

The “it’s only one game” garbage that people are spewing isn’t good enough. It’s been this way for 10 years and it WILL continue to be this way. Mike Bibby is not good enough to change that.

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

What if Sheldon goes off for 20 and 10, and the closer hits a dagger as time expires. That would be even worse than what we saw last night. So lets calm down a little bit, the Lakers are 1 of the best teams in the league, and 2 of our best players just left the Big Easy. Lets see how it goes tonight, before we right em off. Holla back, after the game.

By Peter

February 20, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

To all the Hawk supporters, I would wage a small bet they finish under .500, they will NOT make the playoffs, and the team will lose some of their better players in a few years….

Also thank you to the management that gave away a send round pick to DUMP a first round pick…..

Gee next year as we are in to lottery YET AGAIN…..we will pick up another Small forward….

Why because if the GM, and Coach doesn’t get canned, they will say he was the best athlete available at the time.

Not like we have a true center, or a good back up point any more!

By PD

February 20, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

That was the most pathetic and embarassing game I’ve seen in a while, maybe ever. Hawks looked like a JV team compared to the Lakers. First off, as usual the most obvious thing is Woodson needs to go. Moving on, JJ proved to be a second-rate All-Star last night and further proved that Ray Allen deserved that spot over him. Bottom line is if you’re gonna start being a consistent “All-Star” then u better start expecting that the best players in the league are gonna come at you every night. Thus, if you wanna be included as a legitimate All-Star then you’re gonna have to bring your game every night. Instead of raising his game, JJ simply disappeared and backed down from the challenge. He will never be the “go-to-guy” on a team because he cant handle the pressure and lacks the desire and leadership. Next, Marvin Williams is awful. People keep sayin give him time to develop, yet it doesn’t take 3 years to develop playing defense, boxing out, and gettin rebounds. All it takes is hustle, desire, and effort. All of which he has failed to show. His offense is improving, but is nothing special. I would start Richardson over him. Finally, Zaza is a joke. You would have thought the Hawks would have learned from Koncak, but I guess not. He is supposed to be a center, but lacks any physical play. He doesnt know how to move his feet on defense or box out. All he does is push other players away and hope the ball happens to fall in his hands. However, he gets more fouls than rebounds. He cant jump up to grab a rebound and cant dunk with any type of authority around the basket. In conclusion, I would trade both JJ and Marvin for a legitimate All-Star center to move this team forward in the future.

By tyger

February 20, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

Already next year for the Hawks

I’m afraid SS is right, it may already be next year for the Hawks. Bibby cant save them, its too late, it probably was too late after Charlotte last week.

At their best, they play .500 ball, theyve got 32 games left, win 16 of those, and you’ve got 37-38 wins, which, even in a bad Eastern conference, wont be good enough.

Hawks may as well sign Jeremy Richardson to a long term deal while they can, he clearly was the best player on the floor last night.

The hard reality for the Hawks is that they have some tough decisions to make in order to contend.

And the toughest is what to do with Joe Johnson? He appears to be the epitome of “be careful of what you ask for because you just might get it.”

Trade him for Vince Carter and Jamaal Magloire while you can. JJ shys away from the spotlight, we need a STAR!

Kobe abused him, like everybody else worth their salt, has the entire year. Look at his Allstar game: 3 pts. He’s a role player, spot shooter - thats it.

And when the going gets tough, he wont mix it up. Kobe and Fisher played hurt but tackled and raped the Hawks for turnover after turnover, while JJ disappeared.

Vince is a show pony too, but at least we know it, and he’ll still prance around and give 25 a night.

By tyger

February 20, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this