Hawks

By Ryan

February 20, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

The hawks are just bad luck. As much as I want them to make the playoffs, I am starting to think they may just keep falling and keep falling. Lottery…here we come…again.

By Ryan

February 20, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

The hawks are just bad luck. As much as I want them to make the playoffs, I am starting to think they may just keep falling and keep falling. Lottery…here we come…again.

By #21=Top 50,1stBallot

February 20, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

This sounds like perfect timing for the Hawks. Bibby being out, forces Acie to step up and others to assume larger roles than they’ve had to previously. To some this would spell doom and it certainly could look that way. I on the other hand say the Hawks need to push through this and MAKE IT HAPPEN. No more platitudes about “just one of those games” or “the injury bug” or “el Nino”, etc. A lot of us on the blog have been calling for Acie, Salim, Solo to get more burn and right now they are being thrown into the fire. Does JJ need to step up (even in light of what I perceive is an injury)? Absolutely. No more roster complaints, we made a move, and knowing the risk it was, an injury occurred. This is the team WE’VE ALL ASKED FOR except for a big man (and let’s not take of CP3, Deron, Roy; I mean this year).

The truth is that if/when the Hawks make the playoffs, we will need people to step up. There is no better time than now, in the face of adversity to see if this roster/coach have what it takes. For all those who say “Nay”, then please dont whine if we do struggle- I’ll concede you are all geniuses (and risk takers) for being able to predict our demise. That way there will be no need for the limitless laments that will follow.

For those who are like me, dwindling though the masses may be, let’s give it a go. I honestly think we can pull off 2-2 the rest of the road trip at least. We have to. I believe our roster to be improved and hopefully the reality “In Bibby we trust”, will give way to whatever drove each of these dudes to be successful in the first place. I believe Bill Simmons calls it the “Patrick Ewing Effect”. I promise I’m not crazy. Ha. I’m just motivated, hopefully the other 12 Hawks are too.

RISE UP

By #21=Top 50,1stBallot

February 20, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

ALSO WANTED TO REPOST THIS FROM LAST BLOG SINCE IT WAS AT THE END AND I THINK IT’S A WORTHY TALKING POINT

Doc, ALL

I disagree. I say that the Bibby signing bears little on how managemnent may feel about Acie or the extensions of whoever is coming up(re: Joshes, etc).

I know it sounds like a leap to say so, but I would hope management would have a grasp on their prospects BEFORE this move was made. In two years time, factoring in that both Josh’s and Duck will be up (Josh’s this, however if no deal met, may sign one year tender if no desireable contract comes to either). That fact, along with JJ and Al’s deal pending around the corner pretty much indicate that we cant keep all 5 of them together through what are likely to be lucrative extensions, while fielding a second unit worth anything. That being said, it’s perfectly forseeable (desireable? maybe, maybe not) to see either Josh go and offer to the other. Bibby’s contract then becomes a commidity next year as it will be an expiring deal. If Bibby is the man to run the show and Acie isnt ready, we can still keep him through the year; trade him for something of need or let him walk and collect on his cap space. If Acie is ready (fingers crossed) then we have two good PG’s and Craig Claxton. We still at that point could benefit from however Bibby plays out.

I actually think the Bibby deal gives us more flexibility with our roster because of the competition it forces. All who “want” to stay in ATL will have to play their way to a contract extension, if not, they will be traded or give us cap space. Our roster redundancy allows us the freedom to make those decisions. Again assuming we make a smart move (yeah, yeah BIG IF), hopefully a free agent will want to come to ATL to build off the successive playoffs runs. Not trading for Bibby only leaves us room to gripe because say we do sign both Josh’s to extensions and Acie does or does not play well. We still have an inherently flawed roster, now with a more incumbered cap and without a real commidity to make a move next season.

I know this could sound like I’m lauding Knight or ASG, I’m not. I’m just saying that I like what this move represents in terms of this season (Bibby Hawks end drought making ATL more attractive destination) and next (his expiring deal + Duck’s deal, need to prove himself worth keeping/trading) sets us up in lieu of not having draft picks or parts we want to trade. The numerous reasons for Woody to go have been eloquently delineated, so I dont need to restate that case at this time. I just hope that a coaching change isnt out of the question because roster “needs time to gel”. I say a 1-4 roadtrip, plus a home loss= Woody canned. Hopefully we wont have to say “too late” for that move either.

Redemption tonight….

RISE UP

By Agent Z

February 20, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

We have no first round pick this year. I think the team just needs some time to gel. A bruised heel shouldn’t keep Bibby out long.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 20, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

When is Billy gonna get around to signing a big man? I don’t think I can take too many more games where Zaza gets 20 minutes of playing time.

By Chris D'

February 20, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Uh What??

“In fact, the Hawks’ bench helped make things somewhat respectable with their second half effort against the Lakers.”

At halftime the Lakers were winning by 36 they ended up winning the game by 29. So our bench outplaying their bench by 7 in the second half is some form of redemption. A 29 point loss in the NBA is not respectable.

The Lakers would have beat down most teams in the NBA last night. But Sekou don’t bring that weak game analysis in here. You are better than that.

By doc

February 20, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

By conan

February 20, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Forget the lottery and our 2nd round pick Ryan - those will belong to Phoenix and Sacramento respectively. No matter what trades they make the Hawls can never undo the fact that BK failed on some many draft picks and they have the worst coach in professional sports. They are going to be a train wreck for the forseeable future.

By JerryWest

February 20, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

Marvin+Selim for Petro+Green+Gelabale(Seattle)

http://realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4528312

Works under the salary cap.

Get it done BK. Petro can be our defensive center.

By Darrin "The Vent King"

February 20, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

Goodness, we got beat like eggs last night.

By Realist

February 20, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

Wait, what? Sekou now says, that without a huge boost from guys like Zaza and Jeremy Richardson (who???), “…it’s going to be a monumental task trying dig back into the playoff mix for the remainder of this season.”

What a difference a day makes. Yesterday, the Hawks were “contenders,” whatever that means. Did Sekou change his tune that quickly???

By #21=Top 50,1stBallot

February 20, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

Doc,

Unfortunately being at work doesnt afford all the coherence, eloquence I need to express myself. The gist of the 1-4 road trip and home loss statement, is basically a way to say “never too late to do the right thing” type cliche. I dont think we’re at the point were it’s a lost season, however if we have more “lost efforts” like we did in LA and in PHX last trip, etc then something has to be done and Woody has to go (not that I havent believed this, but hopefully it will open an eye or two with the decision makers… not that they dont have ample evidence already). I hope I’m not reading your comments correctly to say that we should keep Woody for season’s end because “it’s too late now”. I also keep in mind that what we want is relative to what will happen- which I’m sure is that ol’ Woodrow will be palm to chin on the Hawks sidelines through the end of April. Just stating an alternative to that if things go a certain way.

With regards to the cap, yes, obviously it hinders us this offseason, but again, Bibby will still be have value as a player AND a contract, should the need arise. It is akin to a deferment for Bibby’s value next season(when I believe it will be worth even more to us) vs having the “etc’s” expiring contracts this season with nobody wanting to sign. Our long term roster wont be able to afford what we call our core now. It just puts us in a different (re: better) course of action to see what bears more fruit. We still have to eventually evalutate our own talent to see who stays/goes.

As far as Acie goes, that along with my other post on this blog, speak to where we find ourselves. It HAS to be “go” time. The other PG’s werent going to get us anywhere, they’d more than proven that. I think Acie can step up to the pressure since he has nowhere to hide or people to save him. If he doesn’t, are we any worse off? ROUGH parallel being 3 years ago when the Giants started Eli when they were still in “the race”. Paid off a couple seasons later didnt it? Romo and Dallas last year similar concept. (*yeah I know comparing fball to bball is tough, but you get the gist of what an investment is, and the PG is the “QB” of the bball team, so please, a little preemptive latitude). These type of “play the rook” moves happen all the time across sports. The players play, those who don’t, then we might as well trim the fat ASAP. Acie’s confidence couldnt seem to get any lower than it was, so we’ll see what he/ his team is made of. Acie started slow yesterday and came to once he realized that he was staying out there.

Either way, the unit now has to play knowing that no other roster shake-ups are coming. “Bibby” (both the player himself and the “move” he represents to get the season back on track) is already here. The Hawks will just have to step up now. Its more of a proactive move. We can make excuses for the players all the day long- many of which are valid (ownership, GM, coach all questionable), but as Sekou gets at in the end of this post: doing that requires Woodson putting trust and some serious faith in his reserves to do the jobs they’re being paid for

Believe it or not based on last night’s game, they are professionals. It’s time they step up and play like it- and I believe they will.

RISE UP

By Ben

February 20, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

Sekou, any trade rumors? We need to get rid of the dispassionate and useless Marvin Williams. Our freaking NBDL player has more heart than he’ll ever have

By Scott

February 20, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Sekou, we had no chance inside against them last night, and that was WITHOUT Bynum. Please tell me we are going to do something by tomorrow for our front line?

By Joe Bland

February 20, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

There’s only one cure for this curse. Say it with me …

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY!

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

Bibby’s out? What a bummer.

By Astro Joe

February 20, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

Doc, I kind of agree with you. Deron Williams was not playing for a coach (and maybe GM) who had 33 games left on an expectation of making the playoffs, or else. So, clearly, Bibby’s acquisition is an indictment that Law (AJ & Lue) were not going to save the coach’s (and maybe GM’s) job this season.

Regarding the cap flexibility, I have a theory on that. Speedy’s insurance has provided roughly $5M in unexpected revenue for the owners this season. I find it interesting that he has evidently chosen not to have the surgery but to rehab the injury. That could potentially result in more insurance payments next season. So, the owners are ahead of their salary budget expectations this season with the possibility of more supplemental payments next year. If by some miracle we make the playoffs, that added revenue could also be used toward roster enhancement.

Lastly, Bibby’s contract expires next season, meaning that if he doesn’t work out between now and next Febraury, he becomes a super valuable trade commodity. Here’s guessing that there will be a team needing an experienced playoff-tested PG with an expiring contract to get them over the hump next year. And we’ll have that chip to use if we choose.

By Go Dawgs

February 20, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

mike bibby = mike hampton

By smartguy

February 20, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

DE JA VU!

DE JA VU!

DE JA VU!

By smartguy

February 20, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

Play Salim 35 minutes.

By Peter

February 20, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

GO Speedy Bibby……How much are we paying these guys to sit out?

Great Trade…….. He is probably too scarred to face his old team…..odds are we get hammered yet again tonight….

Watch T Lue light us up tonight ! He was one of the only few Hawks worth watching before we GAVE HIM AWAY.

Gotta love AC Law at point last night between the first and second period when AC ran the club as the POINT….. we scored….. HOW Many……yup 2 points….now that is PRODUCTION!

Such a joke these Hawks…… when are we going to get an owner with some sense?

That was impressive….. trade a first round pick and three others AND a second Round Pick for a hurt guy who plays MAYBE 30 minutes a game….

By the way he has played an impressive 17 games so far this year.

Hey baby….. Go Hawks!

By Peter

February 20, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

Jinx is a funny word to use for the Hawks…..

Brain dead is more the right term for the owners, management, and coach !

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

Play Salim 35 minutes? You must be a Kings fan.

By supa

February 20, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

More bad luck.

Unfortunately, a lottery pick does not help the Hawks. Their first round slot goes to Phoenix this season.

By Peter

February 20, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

You have to love the baloney written by Sekou……

We gat hammered and there is a silver lining……

YUP……A Lottery pick we can squander away with 4 other players in 2 years.

Nice we don’t even get our second round pick because of the silly Trade!

Wow….I imagine all the Brain trust this next years draft day…..

They are sitting around a dart board with all the picks on it…..so they toss the dart, and that’s who they take…..

Sheldon Williams…… Perfect example……!!!!

By Harry Hawk

February 20, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

Hell, the only thing the Hawks really could use a first-round pick for this year is a trade. It’s time to get a little older and wiser…and a new head coach.

By omar

February 20, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

Incredible, Jeremy Richardson come off the bench and quickly scores two three pointers in a row and goes 3-4 shooting and playing with great confidence and even when everybody else looked scared still Woodson just plays him 8:00 minutes. It looks like Woodson has something against shooters because also Salim almost didn’t play. Must be tough for Salim, he misses two or three shots in a row and that’s it, to the bench. It’s impossible to get in a groove that way.

Come on man , Woodson is stupid or blind, didn’t he saw what a team with a bunch of shooters can do to you, the Lakers gave us a shooting clinic with Farmar, Radmanovic and Vujacic. If they are hot you don’t see Phil Jackson benching them, but off course that’s why he is Phil Jackson who never can’t be compare with Woodson. Still I keep my faith, GO HAWKS !!!

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

Woody’s job is on the line. Phil’s is’nt. Woody has no patience right now, so Salim better hit those 1st 2 shots, instead of missing.

By robdawg06

February 20, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

Its beyond obvious that if the Hawks had a good center to control the paint at both ends that this team could compete. ALL the good teams have good centers. I repeat, the Hawks have not had but one good (washed up M.Malone) center in 40 years. Why not trade Joe Johnson to the Bulls for Ben Wallace ? That would get the money in the contracts right too. You could have a starting five of Bibby,A.Law (or Richardson),J.Smith,A.Horford,B.Wallace. We want the Hawks to win but inferior management will never let that hsppen.

By Peter

February 20, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

Hey Supa…..

Quick question, if we don’t have a first round pick this year as you mentioned……

Does the trade we just made, mean we also have lost our second round pick this year ?

Thank you !

By Harry Hawk

February 20, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

I’d like to see a Salim/Richardson backcourt against the Kings. How many shots do you think those two could fire? 80, maybe? Of course, that’s assuming that either one could pry the ball from the other’s cold, dead hands.

By robdawg06

February 20, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

Or maybe J.Johnson and ZazA Gabor for B.Wallace and K.Hinrich since the Bulls will need a center to replace Wallace ?

By robdawg06

February 20, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this

Was it just me or did Bibby look frail and out of shape last night ?

By honest_abe

February 20, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

can’t believe i stayed up to watch that ugly mess last night.

damn DAMN DAMN!

yak. woody believes in playing jj until the clock goes zero. what a schmuck. during the first half when nothing was going right and the lakers were getting all the calls he should’ve done a little more than give his blank “i’m totally lost” stare at the officials.

after reading t.moore’s article and gearon jr’s praise for the most imcompetent coach in professional sports, it made me wonder if bk has tried to can him only to be vetoed by the asg.

bibby looked awful last night. no argument here. but i’m willing to give him several weeks to develop some chemistry with the guys before deciding that it was a bad trade.

tonight’s game is the closest thing to a “must win game” you can have in mid february. lose tonight and the hawks could easily go 0-5 on this road trip and then it would be safe to say sayonara to the playoffs.

By mcole

February 20, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this

What the Hawks need is dedicated fans. They have some things they need to work out but a great team is not built overnight. I do agree another coach would speed things up.

Go Hawks!!!

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

If Bibby cant go, who’s going to backup Acie?

By omar

February 20, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this

Terrell: Why then he still benched Richardson. Please don’t tell me because he just came from the DLeague. He still show a lot of confidence and heart and just won the MVP in the DLeague All Star game in New Orleans. We need shooters who can score and specially when from the get go everybody else was missing. Last night’s game was a good time to play him more minutes and even Salim with a game that open, so he can get his confidence back.

Still it was a good point you made.

By JSU

February 20, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

Just you.

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this

Bibby missed a lot of time, man. Prolly not in game shape. He’s only been playing in spurts, since his return. The Hawks arent going anywhere this year, even if they do make the Playoffs, but I expect us to be a contender next year.

By Phil

February 20, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this

Can someone tell me where Acie Law IV played college ball? He appears to be a lone bright spot on this team??

By dowey

February 20, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this

It’s the NBA……who even cares?

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

Say what, Omar.

By anphill2

February 20, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

Thanks AC for taking the training wheels off (You can shoot, JJ doesn’t have a say-so). Watching Zaza, when he can’t hit the 15 footer is painful. Can someone tell me why Solo doesn’t get more time? Isn’t he the best interior post defender on the team? Is it me or is JJ looking heavy this year? Those feet appear to be moving at Landlord speed.

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

Yours would too, if you never got a freakin rest!

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

Good to hear that about Bibby. Maybe I’ll stay up now.

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

Hey Doc, how bad is a bruised heel? Any chance of reinjuring? If so, they need to sit him.

By Johnny

February 20, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

I APPLAUD MIKE BIBBY, THAT IS THE HEART WE NEED.

THAT IS JUST WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR. SERIOUSLY.

But, as of last night: one more comment:………. WE NEED A MIKE D’ANTONI TYPE OF COACH, NOT A LARRY BROWN TYPE COACH.

IT IS A FACT. With our personnel that is how we should be playing. We have an Amare Stoudemire-sized center in Al Horford, not a Shaq-sized center. We have a taller Shawn Marion-sized Power Forward, not a Tim Duncan-sized power forward…. we have a big small forward but he is another athletic wing that would fit well uptmepo (The only 2 players that fit better for a slowdown game on our entire roster are Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams, but both are good for uptempo, Horford could also fit in either system very well, as a center uptempo and as a power forward for slow-down game)…. we have a playmaking/scoring allstar 2guard in Joe Johnson that is very good for uptempo/suns-style ball (AS YOU SAW WHEN HE WAS ON THE SUNS IN 05)…… AND WE NOW HAVE OUR POINTGUARD. WE HAVE AN ULTRA-ATHLETIC SLASHING 6TH MAN IN CHILDRESS, YOU ALREADY KNOW HE’S BETTER FOR PHOENIX/GOLDEN STATE STYLE BALL……

WITH OUR PERSONNEL WE NEED A MIKE D’ANTONI STYLE COACH, NOT A JEFF VAN GUNDY STYLE COACH. PERIOD.

ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE GOT OUR POINTGUARD (WHO HAPPENED TO DIRECT THE FASTEST PACED OFFENSE STRAIGHT TO 60 WINS AND THE CONFERENCE FINALS IN 2002 IN SACRAMENTO)……..

RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN, PICK AND ORLL, BALL MOVEMENT, SLASHING, CUTTING, SHOOTING, AND WITH OUR NORMALLY GOOD DEFENSE AND BETTER-THAN-SUNS REBOUNDING (BECAUSE WE HAVE GOOD REBOUNDERS AND SIZE AT THE SG AND SF SLOTS, PLUS OUR 6TH MAN IS A GOOD REBOUNDER AND OUR CENTER + PF ARE VERY GOOD REBOUNDERS FOR THEIR SIZE) WE ARE ALL SET!!!!

WOODY, YOU ARE A MISMATCH. SORRY, YOU JUST ARE…… EITHER ADJUST, OR IT WILL NEVER WORK UNTIL YOU GET NEW PLAYERS.

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this

Join the club Johnny. We,ve been saying that for years. We need to let Larry Drew finish out the season, and go from there. Didn’t he play for the Showtime Lakers?

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this

Join the club Johnny. We’ve been saying that for years. We need to let Larry Drew finish out the season, and go from there. Didn’t he play for the Showtime Lakers?

By SalimFan

February 20, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

Mike Bibby Is a great point guard period. But i’m gonna tell you what happend to joe and the team last night.

Joe thought he could take the night off because bibby is on the job now. And he didn’t realize that you still have to show up and play until miwat throught thesecond quater.

Another insance of this was LA’a press. guys like marvi who hade the ability to dribble the basketbal were trying to get the ball to a double coverd bibby WHAT THE HELL!!! WHY? Just take the ball up the damn floor and set up the offense yourself. Those stupid instances accounted for at-least eight back-court turnovers to the opposition. Talk about relying to heavily on one person.

It’s like they were in awo of the name and the REP that biby brings and just completly forgot to play basketball. On a good note, There was no quit in Horford or Josh smith.

Hopefully the rest of the team has woken up and realizes that it doesn’t matter whos on the floor it doesnt mean a damn thing if you’re not gonna show up and play hard.

And Scott Sciles people? HELL NO. Half of the hawks wear headbands and you know scotty has a no headband policy I.E Ben Wallace.or have yA’LL Forgotten. He’s not a players coach and his lineup changes are questionable at times (Rick Carlisle For Head Coach)

By Johnny

February 20, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

Terrell barron, i dont think hitting those first 2 shots makes much of a difference for dumba$$ woody.

Marvin hit his first two shots when Bibby made good plays to find him both times, and Woody still pulled Marvin out of the game after about 6 minutes of play when it was a 5 point game. (Pulled Bibby out a minute after that…….. 5 minutes later we’re down by 18 points.)

So yea, Woody is a moron.

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 7:19 PM | Link to this

Larry’s son is one of the best pg’s in the country. I’m sure he taught him a heck of a lot. Let him run the offense. PERIOD!

By Johnny

February 20, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

You want to trade a 26 year old allstar averaging 20 5 and 5 for a washed up 6’9” Ben Wallace that averages about 6 points and 7 rebounds on 38% shooting?!?!

And then start a d-leaguer at the 2 spot?

THANK GOD YOU ARE NOT OUR GM.

Ben Wallace made up for his lack of size with his great athleticism, which he simply does not have any mroe (AGE HIT HIM HARD), and he has ALWAYS been terrible on offense. His great defense and rebounding made up for that, now the defense is average, he blocks not even half as many shots, and his rebounding is well below average for a center…….

did I mention that he’s old and only getting worse, and that he has 3 years left on his monster contract?

YEA THANK GOD YOU ARE NOT OUR GM!!!

By Johnny

February 20, 2008 7:24 PM | Link to this

I dont care if we lose every game for the rest of this season

That still wouldnt make the Bibby trade a bad trade for us. We gave up 4 guys that we just didnt use and 2 backup pointguards for one of the top 10 best pointguards in the league thats only 29 years old and has a reasonable contract.

WE GOT A STEAL IN THAT TRADE. That is a GREAT trade for us, no matter what happens from here on out.

By robdawg06

February 20, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

Johnny, the current team is not working. Ben Wallace is on a losing team. Its obvious that he and Ben Gordon are not playing as hard as they can play. If you were the GM Johnny you would do what Mike Woodson is doing right now and that’s LOSE. And I said Acie Law or Richardson at 2. Where was Joe Johnson last night ? Back in Phoenix ? The pedigree 1st round picks that you adore are busts in many cases like S.Williams and M.Williams. Stay away from players with the last name as Williams…

By Johnny

February 20, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

I WISH HE COULD TERRELL, I WISH HE COULD BE OUR COACH THE REST OF THE SEASON, SO I AGREE WITH YOU 100%.

And with Rick Carlisle, he is a Jeff Van Gundy style of coach. Walk the ball up the court, look over to him on the sidelines while he calls every play. Very slow style, plodding, grind it out.

It would be a rich-mans woody, it would be a mismatch to our personnel, it just wouldnt work.

Paul Westphal. That would work very well. Or an assistant from the Suns or an assistant from the Warriors, that would work very well.

A good coach, a good UPTEMPO coach. That is hwat is needed for our personnel.

Woody adjusting to his personnel as all true good coaches do would sure work wonders, that is for damn sure. But he is too stupid, stubborn, or naive to figure it out. And has been that way for 3 years now.

By robdawg06

February 20, 2008 7:35 PM | Link to this

I might be bad gm if given the chance but even I knew to take Chris Paul over Marvin Williams during the draft when we needed a point guard and had 5 forwards already.

By Casey

February 20, 2008 7:37 PM | Link to this

The Hawks are only 1/2 game back in the playoff race. So, they will probably make the playoffs. So what? The goal here used to be winning a championship. Look how low Knight and Woodson have dragged our expectations. If that is all they are hoping for, they obviously should have been fired a long time ago. We can’t win a championship without a coach. Billy Knight obviously will never fire Woodson. Therefore, BILLY KNIGHT MUST GO!!! AND WOODSON WITH HIM!!!

But, sadly, the Hawks will squeak into the playoffs and get embarrassed in the first round AGAIN. And Billy Knight will keep his job along with his best friend Woodson.

By robdawg06

February 20, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this

Bibby put up 5 points and 3 assists. Even Tyronne Lue can put up 10 points and 6 assists in 12 minutes. If the former Bibby shows up that can put up 17 and 10 every night then it will be a good trade.

By SalimFan

February 20, 2008 7:40 PM | Link to this

Johnny I like the way you think

Mike Bibby Is a great point guard period. But i’m gonna tell you what happend to joe and the team last night.

Joe thought he could take the night off because bibby is on the job now. And he didn’t realize that you still have to show up and play until miway throught the second quater.

Another insance of this was LA’s press. guys like marvin who has the ability to dribble the basketball were trying to get the ball to a double coverd bibby WHAT THE HELL!!! WHY? Just take the ball up the damn floor and set up the offense yourself. Those stupid instances accounted for at-least eight back-court turnovers to the opposition. Talk about relying to heavily on one person.

It’s like they were in awe of the name and the REP that Bibby brings and just completly forgot to play basketball. On a good note, There was no quit in Horford or Josh smith. Hopefully the rest of the team has woken up and realizes that it doesn’t matter whose on the floor it doesnt mean a damn thing if you’re not gonna show up and play hard.

And Scott Sciles people? HELL NO. Half of the hawks wear headbands and you know scotty has a no headband policy I.E Ben Wallace.or have yA’LL Forgotten. He’s not a players coach and his lineup changes are questionable at times (Rick Carlisle For Head Coach)

By Steve T

February 20, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this

I think Woodson needs to prove hsi worth as a coach. This is his time to play Solo, Law and Richardson. Richardson played 8 minutes and was 3-4 with 8 points. I would like to see what he could have done in 20-30 minutes. We may have found a person to get JJ the rest he needs. We may have found a microwave Johnson.

Solo had 7 rebounds and 1 block in 11 minutes. He has shown that can help the hawks if he can not score. We need to develop this guy because he can give the hawks good minutes.

Law is a very capable point guard. He can score when he has too.

I just noticed that the Hawks should be a very good two deep team. The hawks second team should be Law at PG, Richardson at SG, Chill at SF, Zaza at center and Solo at PF. I think this bench should be one of the best in the east.

By G'Vegas Dawg

February 20, 2008 7:52 PM | Link to this

Can you say LARRY BROWN?? He is interested in coaching again. Let’s do it!!

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

Robdawg joe johnson had 18 points and 14 in the second half, he was the highest scorer for the hawks. Im not applauding joe, but everyone is talking like he blew the whole night off.

By drmaryb

February 20, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

Hey SteveT

Great job on that post! That second unit you named sounds real fine to me. I could visualize that working, and it would sure help keep the starters out of early foul trouble, not to mention some needed rest for the - Play Off Stretch!

This team is one dominant center away from being:

CONTENDERS & PLAYERS

By Make it Better

February 20, 2008 8:06 PM | Link to this

This is harsh reading today. Last night was disappointing but jeesh — keep it in perspective and avoid running with the negative lemmings…

BTW - would you prefer Sekou not open up a new BLOG? I didn’t think so. :)

By drmaryb

February 20, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this

Larry Brown is a - “QUITTER!” we don’t need another quitter in this town!

We Need A Winner - A Real Winner in this Town. We don’t need no Losers! -Mel SW-Atlanta-

Larry Drew is a Winner! A Hall Of Fame Team Player - A Champion. Why not give “Nique” A look? We need something new and fresh for these young cats! We are the Youngest Team in the League at 23 Years of Age.

We need some savy veterans now, no more kids! We need Grown - Folks Leading & Playing to get them over the HUMP!

By PD

February 20, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

I wouldnt defend JJ scoring points in garbage time when the team’s down 30-40 pts. Why doesn’t he show up when the game actually counts. I’m sure Kobe was probably out of the game by then so he wasnt as scared. Bottom line is he’s not a “centerpiece” as someone had mentioned before. However, if I could trade him for a good center, I would in a heartbeat. I agree with you robdawg, but I dont know that Ben Wallace is the guy. Someone younger that could grow with these young guys.

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

“on a good note there was no quit in al and josh smith” dude what the hell, i thought that they were the ones who didnt come to play, the people who didnt quit were the bench, your giving f*** josh and al all the credit and they did nothing.

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this

PD if you saw the game kobe did play in the second half and did gaurd joe. Im as surprised as anyone that the hawks blew that game right open. But even if jj had 20 in the first half it wouldnt have changed anything. But when they badly lose one game. Everyone wants to start trading right away. Hawks fans suck

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

The Spurs traded Elson and a future pick for Kurt Thomas. WOW!

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this

Elson, Barry, and a 2009 1st rdr to Seattle, for Kurt Thomas.

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this

I have a question: Could the Hawks win the NCAA tournament this year, WITH WOODSON AS THE COACH?

By SalimFan

February 20, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this

Al Was Great until He had to sit because of the fouls…..He and Bibby have great chemistry.

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

Dude you couldnt have been watching the same game that i was, al only had 4 points and as much turnovvers as jj.

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this

This just in: The Lakers are pretty good. I cant figure out how we beat them the first time. Their up 12 against the Suns in Phoenix. It looks like Shaq’s debut is going to go like Bibby’s, just not as bad.

By NumbaOneFan

February 20, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

Fire Woody Now!!! This team is a joke with this idiot coaching. Hell a blind man can see that Woody hasn’t a clue of when to pull a player or how to manage his rotations. What an unimaginative coach….. and plain stupid. Woody always looks he is clueless. The only way to keep this ship from sinking is to replace what we now refer to as a “Head Coach. Wait…. maybe Woody can coach someone into “giving good head”

By jami$$ion

February 20, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

What’s up yall? Terrel Doc I done seen some wild blogs 2nite.JJ 4 BEN,Marv 4 Petro dam u guys trying 2 reverse progress.Larry Brown,Carlilse not 4 this team.Westpaul,Dunleavy.MoCheeks,Marc Jackson,T Porter,a be more like it.And please can we shake this losermentality,lifes a gamble ur not gonna win’em all.Quit crying bout the past! I’m alive I’m in the present.The goal is 2 be CHAMPION.Yall talking bout draft picks.Yall already quit LA,DET,SA,PHO,BOS,thinking bout championships,not draftpicks y dey winning

By bravesfan79

February 20, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this

ROb Dawg: Trade Joe Johnson for WHO?? Ben Wallace??? what are you smoking homie, theres a ton of guys JUST like Ben Wallace in every draft and in free agency that suck at shooting, but can dunk, and play defense. Ben Wallace isnt worth half the $$ Chicago gave him!

By Clyde

February 20, 2008 10:17 PM | Link to this

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By Joe Bling

February 20, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

PD - You may not think of JJ as a centerpiece, but the fact is that he is the centerpiece of this team - like it or not. He was a hell of a centerpiece last year. Something hasn’t been right with him all season, and his shooting percentage and clutch play have disappeared. Don’t know if he’s just gassed from playing 40 minutes a night, if he’s injured, or if there’s some kind of personal problem going on, but something ain’t right. We’ve seen what he’s capable of, though, and it’s pretty clear he can be a centerpiece when he’s on his game. He better be the centerpiece with that contract.

Changing gears, I’m concerned about Bibby’s heel injury - especially since he’s playing tonight and appears to be in obvious pain. Somebody above said they didn’t think the heel injury would be a big deal. Don’t be so sure. Heel injuries can be a major setback that take months to heal, especially for basketball players. Hope that’s not the case.

By doc

February 20, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

bibbiy does have a pretty shot. just having a guy who can make that shot will help everyone, just watch.

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this

good to see these guys hitting their threes

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

good to see these guys hitting their threes and ZAZA please finish the basket when you get an open look omg.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 20, 2008 10:36 PM | Link to this

Marvin Williams would be the worst defender on the planet…

…if it wasn’t for Zaza Pachulia.

By jami$$ion

February 20, 2008 10:42 PM | Link to this

21 u always bring it. we need solutions 2 our problems, 2 all yall screaming dominant center it’s 30teams name me 5 dominant centers not powerforwards example,kg,td,amare. U can’t y their aren’t any. So stop saying thats how all champions r won.MJ never had 1 cartwright,stacy king,scot williams ha.never been a allstar let alone dominant.Ostertag was he great no but the jazz made the finals twice with him,neither is McDyess but DET made the finals with him & AL kill him everytime.No mo excuses.

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 10:44 PM | Link to this

mike bibby starting the second on his bench right after nailing his 2 threes is that woodys plan or is mike just injured.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 20, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this

You know I love the Hawks, but watching Shelden Williams posting up Zaza Pachulia is probably as good an argument for contraction in the NBA as you will ever see.

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

my goodness, zaza just got outrebounded by anthony johnson.

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

I wonder how good Acie would be, had he gotten more playing time earlier in the year. Damn, Chill just hit a 3.

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

Im starting to get on the acie bandwagon.

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 10:56 PM | Link to this

OOOOOH jeremy with the long ball dude i love this guy already.

By Chris

February 20, 2008 10:58 PM | Link to this

ZAZA has got to be the worst center in the league. I would take a 45 year old Jon Konkak over this guy. Please sign a BIG. Go Hawks!!!!!!!!!

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 10:59 PM | Link to this

Richardson is making Marvin look expendable. Please keep him on the bench.

By PD

February 20, 2008 11:01 PM | Link to this

Totally on point Najeh. Someone please tell Marvin you have to move your feet to play D.

As for JJ, I realize that he’s our so-called “centerpiece,” but I just think he’d be more comfortable not being “the man” on the team. I dont know that he shines in the spotlight. He did have a great year last year and was largely under the radar. I think this year teams are more focused on him due to his prior success. As you said Joe Bling with the amount of money he’s making, he should be the centerpiece and he should do it EVERY NIGHT. That’s all I got vs. JJ. He is a very good player.

On another note, let this Richardson start and let Marvin come off the bench.

By Joe Bling

February 20, 2008 11:01 PM | Link to this

“You know I love the Hawks, but watching Shelden Williams posting up Zaza Pachulia is probably as good an argument for contraction in the NBA as you will ever see.”

Ha! Priceless.

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this

right now josh should be in the game for joe, joe already looks tired and yet josh is cemented on the bench.

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

I never got off of it. He just needed some time.

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 11:14 PM | Link to this

Why is josh smith still on the bench, omg mike woodson cmon man.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 20, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this

The Hawks haven’t looked great so far at all (other than Horford), but to be this close with barely any contributions so far from Josh Smith and Marvin Williams is a good sign. Having Josh in the 2nd half should do a lot to stop Artest, who is looking pretty unstoppable right now.

Jeremy Richardson is looking pretty damn good, ain’t he? He’s not a great defender, but as a spark off the bench, you can’t ask for much more than what he provided this half.

By smartguy

February 20, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this

SALIM AND SOLO?????????

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

Their defense is not usual but 60 points by the half is not that bad. Offense is good but defense needs to improve.

By DarkRyder

February 20, 2008 11:33 PM | Link to this

No answer for Artest tonight or Martin. We’ll see if Josh Smith can provide some D since the rest of the Hawks (sans Mario) can’t stop him or Martin.

By stevo

February 20, 2008 11:35 PM | Link to this

i know this board is obsessed that we have these secret hidden gems in ‘salim and solo’ and if their greatness was just unleashed, the hawks would be challenging the celtics. it is beyond ridiculous. they were four year college players drafted in the SECOND ROUND for a reason. it was not because somehow they managed to slip through the cracks, it is because they did not have suitable games for the pros. they were drafted because they have singular skills, that sometimes can be built upon. i am sure if they were dominating in practices or the games, we would see them. you all need to GET OVER THESE TWO SECOND ROUND BENCH WARMERS.

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this

cmon josh you can do better!!!

By DarkRyder

February 20, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this

Already in two games there’s a recurring theme that is going to punish a small ball team like the Hawks the remaining of the season. Teams know they can attack the Hawks on the defensive end and get their main guys (Smoove, Horford, JJ) in foul trouble early thus forcing Atlanta to rely on the bench to deliver night in and night out. Too much to ask out of a mismatched coach.

Way to miss free throws Smoove now they’re getting cold….oh well easy come easy go….this game’s about to get out of hand…

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 11:43 PM | Link to this

We are losing because josh is not having his usual terrific game.

By terrell barron

February 20, 2008 11:44 PM | Link to this

Please put the bench back in. Smoove just got a freakin tech. wtf!

By DarkRyder

February 20, 2008 11:49 PM | Link to this

The problem with Salim is that he comes in the game and immediately starts shooting which forces the Hawks offense (?) out of rhythm.

Nice to see the Hawks learning how to man up after watching the Kings get ahead by 8….we’ll see what happens.

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 11:51 PM | Link to this

cmon woody put joe back in cmon man make a move!!

By Matt

February 20, 2008 11:55 PM | Link to this

Smoove’s head is clearly not in the game today. He missed two free throws, drew a technical, committed a defensive 3-second violation (another technical), and got the ball ripped out of hands twice - all in a 4-minute span.

And also, Martin and Artest are taking turns walking all over him. Man, he needs to calm down and focus.

By hawksfan

February 20, 2008 11:58 PM | Link to this

look at ron artest eating all those oranges, funny guy.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 21, 2008 12:00 AM | Link to this

Al Horford’s probably not gonna win rookie of the year, because most of the voters decided to vote for Durant before the season, but with more performances like today he should be unanimous. He is single-handedly keeping the Hawks in the game, not just with his stats but with his hustle plays too.

By hawksfan

February 21, 2008 12:04 AM | Link to this

If sheldon couldve only played like that for us.

By preston

February 21, 2008 12:06 AM | Link to this

Salim comes in the game firing because he is trying to get his confidence back……the same thing Acie was doing just a few games ago when everyone was bashing him…….looks like Acie has slowly but surely got his confidence back because he is playing more…….and Salim has taken no more bad shots than anybody else on the team……the starters do it on a regular basis all the time.

By hawksfan

February 21, 2008 12:09 AM | Link to this

man that guy hit the 3 at the buzzer

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 21, 2008 12:11 AM | Link to this

These threes from the wing are killing the Hawks. When you have a shot-blocker on the floor you gotta trust him to help out if someone penetrates, instead of leaving your man open on the perimeter. 60% shooting from 3? That can’t continue.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 21, 2008 12:15 AM | Link to this

Zaza is in perfect position for an offensive rebound, and instead of grabbing it and going up with it strong, he tries to volleyball it up there, and of course misses, and the Kings claim the loose ball.

Seriously, can anyone remember the last time he made a good play?

I miss Peja Drobnjak.

By kwooden1

February 21, 2008 12:15 AM | Link to this

Down 6, 8:53 to go, keep fighting guys!!

By Wow

February 21, 2008 12:17 AM | Link to this

First thing, I believe Sheldon did play like that for us. He just had limited minutes and limited touches. I thought not utilizing him was always unwise.

Second, Am I the only one who is more confident with Richardson out there than Marvin? I’m serious I don’t think J Rich has missed a shot yet and Marvin has obviously lost some confidence the past few games…Thoughts?

By Tiger Woo

February 21, 2008 12:20 AM | Link to this

The Hawks can forget about the playoffs until they learn how to win on the road. They are a terrible road team.

By hawksfan

February 21, 2008 12:20 AM | Link to this

man joe why did you get your 5 foul man cmon!!!

By Corey

February 21, 2008 12:20 AM | Link to this

I cannot tak eit no more. MIKE WOODSON HAS TO BE ONE OF THE WORST COACHES IN THE LEAGUE!!!!!!Why is not starting Bibby and Joe and Josh in the fourth quarter…..Why doe Mike always have to wait until we a down double figures and wear the Hawks out trying to make a comeback. MIKE WOODSON’S ROTATION SUCKS…..HE IS A HORRIBLE COACH….AS WELL AS THE HAWKS HAVE PLAYEDD TONIGHT…WOODSON WILL FIND A WAY TO COACH US OUT OF YET ANOTHER VICTORY…..Why is he still coaching????????????????

By preston

February 21, 2008 12:21 AM | Link to this

Am the only one who think that we could use J. Richardson in the game right about now for his outside shot?

By preston

February 21, 2008 12:27 AM | Link to this

Wow- Ditto……..you took the words right out of my mouth……..and if we lose this game, we will be lucky to even think about winning any game on this trip……..I hope that Woody does not make the trip back with this team…….this season is a wash……let’s get a new coach now.

By terrell barron

February 21, 2008 12:29 AM | Link to this

0-5 road trip, here we come! Why is Marvin still in the game? He’s done absolutely nothing all freakin night. Put Richardson back in. Bibby is limpin, and Woody continues to play him, even though Acie was playing well. Did yall see Zaza try to call timeout, after he walked? HILARIOUS! The fat lady is about to start singing, real soon.

By Tiger Woo

February 21, 2008 12:32 AM | Link to this

Drafting Marvin “Mr. Ordinary” Williams will haunt the Hawks for a long time.

Chris Paul’s numbers tonight:

41 points - 11 assists - 9 steals - 5 rebounds.

By Show You Are Serious

February 21, 2008 12:34 AM | Link to this

Please Atlanta Spirit, show you are serious about winning and FIRE MIKE WOODSON NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Billy Knight is an absolute bum, but he made the move…Woodson has proved his incompetence repeatedly and needs to be removed….

By terrell barron

February 21, 2008 12:34 AM | Link to this

Woody should be fired TONIGHT, or this season is history. I’m beginning to lose all hope. How about trading Marvin for Sheldon. lol

By Brandon

February 21, 2008 12:39 AM | Link to this

So much talent!!! Horrible Coaching god WOODSON MUST GO!!

By Wow

February 21, 2008 12:39 AM | Link to this

Sheldon Throws it Down!!!! Embarrassing.

By Sekou, PLEASE PROTEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

February 21, 2008 12:40 AM | Link to this

The cheating NBA refs is almost just accepted as a way of life, but it is absolutely ridiculous.

These guys are blatant CHEATERS and the NBA needs to fix it. IT IS AN ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC PRODUCT, and David Stern needs to come clean.

The CHEAYTING REFEREES IN THE NBA is a much, much larger scandal than the MLB steroids.

The NBA refs are stealing money and need to be sent back to their minimum wage jobs. They are gangster scum. It is sickening.

By Tiger Woo

February 21, 2008 12:41 AM | Link to this

I’m happy for Shelden. At least he’s on a team that will give him a chance to play. I would have rather kept Shelden and traded Zaza. Woody tried his best to destroy Shelden’s confidence.

By Big John

February 21, 2008 12:42 AM | Link to this

Would someone please tell Bob Rathbun to stop forcing his voice up and down like some broadcasting school reject.

He seems to get worse every year. **JUST TALK LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING, BOB!”

You sound like something out of the 1950’s.

By bonitis

February 21, 2008 12:43 AM | Link to this

please. fire. woodson. now.

By Tiger Woo

February 21, 2008 12:44 AM | Link to this

Like Coach Mora said - playoffs? playoffs?

By the time they return from this road trip, the playoffs will be no more than a pipe dream.

By Joey

February 21, 2008 12:44 AM | Link to this

FIRE WOODSON NOW!!! If he is on the sideline friday it will be an absolute crime

By Matt

February 21, 2008 12:45 AM | Link to this

ACTUALLY…(and if you look at my recent posts, I’m no fan of Woody)

Our problem this game was that our two best players were in foul trouble - Smoove in the second half and JJ throughout. JJ had to go to the bench every few minutes. He had 3 fouls by the half, 4 by end of the 3rd, and 5 after a few minutes in the 4th. That’s why he was benched at the beginning of the 4th (hilarious that someone slammed Woody for resting a guy with 4 fouls). Smoove also racked up personals and a technical, and clearly did not bring his A-game in general.

When you’re in foul trouble, you have to play more tentative D and you don’t drive as hard to the basket. That’s why JJ was a non-factor in the second half.

Two things I will never blame on a coach: Missed free throws (also a problem tonight, as always) and early foul trouble.

Woody should still be fired, but not because of tonight.

By stevo

February 21, 2008 12:46 AM | Link to this

don’t fire woodson until after this (brutal) trip. only hope for win now (most likely, anyway) is golden state. don’t bring in a new coach to have the new hope quickly squashed at phoenix and san antonio. kind of like all that bibby hope the lakers quickly destroyed.

having said that, this trip was going to be brutal no matter what. after this, the schedule is relatively easy the rest of the way (only a few tough games, no tough stretches), the east is still weak, and anything is possible. but WE are all right, it starts with firing the coach. upon the return to atlanta.

By will we ever have a good team?

February 21, 2008 12:47 AM | Link to this

what a joke!lose to the kings?josh smith is a great talent but is there anyone else that gets tired of his constant loafing after he thinks he gets fouled?why did we even draft salim?it should be fun to see how much we lose by against the spurs monday.lol

By Midick is falling off

February 21, 2008 12:48 AM | Link to this

I just threw up in my mouth…please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, FIRE THAT BUM THAT IS “COACHING” THE HAWKS RIGHT NOW….

By A-ville Ranger

February 21, 2008 12:51 AM | Link to this

I’m convinced a new coach is the only real hope to build a team.Zaza and Sheldon regressed and now there is no inside game.Bibby had three assist, his journeyman replacement Udrich had 10.Bibby is what all Hawks guards (and most forwards)are 2 guards.

By el el

February 21, 2008 12:53 AM | Link to this

We really needed this game.

Does Zaza even know how to box out?

By G-thang

February 21, 2008 12:53 AM | Link to this

the next mf i hear call joe johnson an allstar, i come to cyber b!tch slap yo @ZZ!! the hawks suck!!

By brewdawg

February 21, 2008 12:54 AM | Link to this

Folks, don’t kid yourselves… the Hawks could go 0-5 on this trip and they’d still only be 2-3 games out of the last wildcard spot, 3 and half or four at the absolute worst. Everyone of you knows that the East is that bad. Now, if we win 2 games- or even 1- we’ll likely remain around 1-2 games out. I know it’s frustrating, but they played pretty well tonight, and will only continue to improve as Bibby grows more comfortable… and rests that heel! As for all the “fire woodson now” rants… I don’t blame you one bit, and I would be just fine with it. However, I think he deserves a chance to finish out the year now that he has a true point guard to work with. If this team misses the playoffs though, he should definitely be gone.

By FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

February 21, 2008 12:56 AM | Link to this

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETHE BUM….WOODSON IS AN INCOMPETENT BOOB AND SO IS KNIGHT….PLEASE, PLEASE WE NEED AN ENEMA…..

By Tiger Woo

February 21, 2008 12:57 AM | Link to this

I don’t like the Bibby trade. The Hawks needed a center much more than a point guard - they could have managed okay with T Lue, AJ, and Acie. They were already weak up front and now they are seriously lacking depth without Shelden and Lorenzen - when Horford inevitably gets into foul trouble, do you really think Zaza can do the job?

By Harry Hawk

February 21, 2008 12:58 AM | Link to this

Well, if Acie’s wrist is broken…

God, I love being a Hawks fan. This truly is the team of the damned.

By Gypsyjoe

February 21, 2008 12:58 AM | Link to this

I have been a Hawk fan since 84’. And I am so p**. A guy comes off the bench 1’st half 7 points in 8 min. Second half he does not get off the frign bench. What the hell they where having trouble scoring and Woodson does nothing to fix the problem. I was alway’s one to give Woody the benefit of the dought but i am starting to think he has to go…..

By Clyde

February 21, 2008 1:01 AM | Link to this

Where are all those people that were excited about the Bibby trade? Come on out the closet. I told yall not to get your hopes up too high. The best thing we could do right now is trade JJ for a center and a first round draft pick. This season is over.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By preston

February 21, 2008 1:06 AM | Link to this

Yeah this trip was going to be brutal, but the thing is…….we are losing to bad teams anyway……..the lost to the clippers, Charlotte, this lost to the Kings, and we are getting blown out of the water by teams that we should compete with……the blowout losses by Houston and the Lakers…….this is as ugly as ugly can get………we are a much better team than this!!!!! And we have no more excuses, this team plays like this is the first time that they have been on the court….this core have been together long enough…..Horford plays like he has been in the league for a while…….!!!!! What is going on with this team!!!!!

By Joseph Powell McClelland

February 21, 2008 1:11 AM | Link to this

It’s a shame all of these young players aren’t being taught well by a descent coach.

Bibby must be the vocal leader or we don’t have a chance. Woodson is not up to the challenge.

The young hawks need to want to impress their coach, so a new one would do quite well.

Marvin Williams should not start. Childress should. He is a smarter, team player.

By THE Hawks Fan

February 21, 2008 1:12 AM | Link to this

I have to give up drinking or being a HAWKS fan. Acie’s wrist prolly broken. Damn Damn Damn James JRich and Mario played well tonight. Mario was all over Artest. Woody should have given him more time on Artest. JRich is a damn good shooter. Woody with Acie down get these 2 guys on the floor. Let em burn for 20 mins see what happen. Keep em movinggg!! Goooooo HAWKKSSS!!

By preston

February 21, 2008 1:13 AM | Link to this

Gypsyjoe- Are you surprised? Richardson outside shots have been looking real good especially from 3-point range, but Woody has a script that he doesn’t deviate from, so what can you say………its all a part of “The Woody Woodpecker Show”………for entertainment purposes only b/c the guy is a joke!

By Frak Clyde

February 21, 2008 1:15 AM | Link to this

Clyde is the worst kind of person on this earth - when the Hawks are doing well, he disappears. When they’re doing badly, he relishes in kicking them while they’re down.

Now tell me - what kind of a fan is that?

By Clyde

February 21, 2008 1:17 AM | Link to this

Fire Billy and Woody T-shirts are still available. E-mail me at atlconnect@hotmail.com.

I told yall 2 years ago Billy and Woody wouldn’t work. Just call me The Prophet.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By Tiger Woo

February 21, 2008 1:18 AM | Link to this

I agree Clyde. The Hawks are constantly being exposed in the paint. Horford is doing his best - bless his heart - but he’s overmatched against the big centers (Gasol, Yao, Ilgauskas, etc.).

Yes, it’s time to consider trading JJ while he still has value. getting a quality big to help Horford is priority # 1.

By Tiger Woo

February 21, 2008 1:29 AM | Link to this

Please tell me we aren’t done making moves. We have lost 2 bigs and 2 point guards and added Bibby - now we are lacking depth at both positions and still haven’t addressed our void up front.

Acie is hurt and Bibby is hobbled - who do we turn to now? Salim? (god forbid).

We are going to have to sacrifice some of our assets (Marvin, JJ, etc.) to get a big man - otherwise we are going nowhere.

By Clyde

February 21, 2008 1:45 AM | Link to this

Frak Clyde I’m what you call a realistic fan. What I saw on the court the past two nights was garbage. Hell What I’ve seen the past 4 years with the Hawks have been garbage and I’m tired of it. Enough is Enough.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By 1999 and counting

February 21, 2008 4:43 AM | Link to this

Josh Smith is a good shot blocker and dunker….but does anyone notice how many times a game he throws up the UGLIEST LOOKING SHOTS? Horrible Misses. The ones the do go in seem to be pure luck. He also makes other mistakes too…horrible passes…etc. They outweigh his amazing blocks.

He’s INCONSISTENT

Joe Johnson doesnt seem like he wants to be a leader as well. Just a pretty good scorer. Role players on others teams come up more clutch than him.

This is sad…as of right now if i wanted consistent shots knocked down I’d rather see this guy Richardson takin them more than anyone else on the team (sad huh?)

Screw these guys we need some PLAYERS

Acie had an excuse earlier because he’s a ROOKIE but seems to be coming around now

Acie,Richardson,Horford,Bibby, Childress(maybe)

are the only people I’d FOR CERTAIN want to hang on to for the NEVER ENDING rebuilding process in ATL.

for all I care ship the others out and try to find some CONSISTENT guys

By Joe Johnson

February 21, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

I’ll give you an out-of-control behind the back shot for that comment.

By SilverShadow

February 23, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

Relax Hawks Fans: The Hawks are going to win the NBA Chamionship this Season. The Hawks fans should be patient with the Hawks. They have a mostly young team, mixed in with a few veterans and they are an extremely athletic team. With the addition of Mike Bibby, I believe the Hawks can achieve great things even as early as this season. I also wish that fair weather fans should STOP CALLING FOR MIKE WOODSON’S and BILLY KNIGHT’S HEAD. I cant speak for anyone else, but I am a true Hawks fan and Ive seen some very pathetic play from the Hawks this season. Ive also seen some very spectacular play from the Hawks as well and Im of the opinion that the Hawks are still in the process of finding themselves and establishing an identity. What you saw of the Hawks last night in Golden State is just how good the Hawks can be if they play well for 48 minutes. The Hawks are a high energy group and when their energy is not misdirected and expensed properly, the Hawks are capable of beating anyone in the league. All I can say is WATCH OUT NBA, HERE COME THE HAWKS. IF YOURE NOT READY THE HAWKS WILL BLOW YOU OUT OF THE BUILDING!!

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