Hawks

By Latrece

February 18, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

i do not want Dale Davis..We’d be better with Jermaine O’Neal. Cna you picuter him and Horford together? Also, I am wondering about Speedy Claxton. How do we remove him? He has clearly wasted our money. we need to take his salary and divide it with Smooth and Chills. I am concerned about hwat effect Bibby can have on the resigning of our young stars.

By Dap

February 18, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

What are Speedy’s plans? Is he considering retirement? What affect would that have on our salary cap?

What is the prognosis for his injury? What is his injury? Knee again? Is he resting it or is he having surgery?

By JB

February 18, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

Don’t expect those idiots, named the Atlanta Spirit, to do anything to help this teamm reach the playoffs.

By Liquid Nails

February 18, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

Bring back Dikembe. Houston would probably ship him here for Speedy.

Oh, and I thought his nickname was Smoove.

By No Ish, Latrece

February 18, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

I agree with Latrece. I’d rather have Jermaine O’Neal than Dale Davis. Actually, rather than getting Jermaine O’Neal, I think I’d like to get Dwight Howard. How about that? Latrece…thanks for your input. Stick to what you know, though. I have some dishes that need cleaning.

By Paul

February 18, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

The Hawks can’t sign Jermaine O’Neal, they don’t have that much cap room/money.

Look we cannot spend much because we don’t have much. It’s also hard to find a team that is actually willing to give up a solid big man and if they are, they’re going to want a lot for him. So that leaves cheap big men. Dale Davis fits that criteria. As also maybe Danny Fortson.

By Ben

February 18, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

Nice, Latrece!

In case you didn’t know, there are things called salaries.

To get Jermaine O’Neal, we have to give up Marvin, Joe, and ZaZa just to make the salaries match.

Genius.

By ILL-logical

February 18, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

The trade is a good FIRST step; without the requisite second and third steps it is full of sound and fury yet….. .

Step two is a STARTING center that would allow Al to play and excell at the 4. Come playoff time(if it comes to this team) He can be the x factor.

Step 3 is to place JSmooth at the 3 and have MW provide an offensive spark off of the bench at either the 2, giving JJ more rest/ or 3.

By Krib

February 18, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

How quickly things change!.Last week everyone was calling for Billy’s head now it looks like things are back to normal. From Billy’s past, it looks like he is better at making deals than at drafting players. Thank God we do not have any draft picks next year! Hopefully we can pull one more trade to get a BIG or SHOOTER. Back to Sekou’s question, I think Jeremy is fine.We still need a big body and Dale Davis will be ideal in terms of experience and veteran leadership.

By stevo

February 18, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

speedy will not retire, because then they will not have to pay him. he is injured and he will be part of the hawks salary for the next two years (after this one), therefore hopefully at some point he will actually play, and play well. but for now, he is not worth thinking about or talking about.

jermaine o’neal makes over $20 mil per season for two more years and is far from healthy. get him out of your mind. on playstation, without money issues, sure. in real life, not going to happen, nor should it.

bibby does not affect them signing anybody on the hawks (other free agents, yes, but no point guard was going to be out there better than bibby anyway and atlanta is not exactly a prime free agent destination anyway). whether they decide to pony up and pay (bibby does not really signal this because smith or childress would be a long term deal, whereas bibby was basically salary neutral for this year, with one year more they are obligated for, which they could easily bail on in trade if they decide to this summer or early next year), for smith and childress will have to wait for summer to see. i can’t imagine them not signing smith.

now if there was just a young, available, talented big man they could trade marvin for (there isn’t), all would be good. as it is, it is still pretty good.

By JohnGTFan

February 18, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

I think Dale Davis would be a great fit. He certainly doesn’t have the offensive skills…but man is that guy strong and nasty. That’s what Atlanta needs..someone NASTY down low. He would not back down from anyone…Shaq, Ming, Howard, doesn’t matter! Even if he only played about 12 - 15 mins a game…to beat up on the opposing teams bigs, use those 6 fouls to cause them discomfort…he’ll grab a few boards, block a couple shots..and truly help out down low. And he would not be expensive. I would like that a lot, and most importantly, so would Horford!

By DemDems4Ever

February 18, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

The next step should be to move Marvin if he has any value.

Marvin has improved much over last year but does not have a skill set to become what you expect from a #2 pick.

If anyone wants him (Seattle?), let him go.

By Willie Coyote

February 18, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

If they are going to bring in another shooter and a big, then they might as well try to trade Salim and Solomon since they seem to be getting phased out here (actually they already are phased out). Who knows, you may be able to get a subtle piece (role player(s) and/or draft pick) that can help you since both have some potential to have some success in this league if they can find a good fit.

By Jesse

February 18, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

What ever happened to the Australian guy we drafted years ago? Wasn’t he like 6’11 or something? Or bring in Cenk Aykol or whoever that is

By Lyonsjimmy

February 18, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

I never thought Dale Davis had a big body. He is 6’11” but with a thin frame unless he has put on some weight like Magic did when he took a couple of years off. lol, Jermaine O’Neal. sheesh…anyway there’s got to be some big body out there to bang down low, maybe Dale Davis is the best big man available. How about tell “Z” to hit the weights and make him become more aggressive.

By Lyonsjimmy

February 18, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

I never thought Dale Davis had a big body. He is 6’11” but with a thin frame unless he has put on some weight like Magic did when he took a couple of years off. lol, Jermaine O’Neal. sheesh…anyway there’s got to be some big body out there to bang down low, maybe Dale Davis is the best big man available. How about tell “Z” to hit the weights and make him become more aggressive.

By blonde d**

February 18, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

We dont have the money to sign J.Oneal od Dwight Howard. Dale Davis is a waste of time at 39 anybody remember Patrick Ewing in Orlando…. Nuff said.

Im really intrested to see how JJ’s role changes with an elite Pg in the line up- he may get easier shot but I want to see if he is playing at a high level without dominating the ball(dribbling-iso)

I would take a look at Kyrylo Fresenko the big Ukrainian from the D League. The guy is 7-1 290 and he plays with an attitude,really nasty and physical around the rim

By doc

February 18, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

yeah sekou, saw the same guy as he was chattin with pistons gm dumars across the aisle. looks ready to play certainly a lot more than dumars. he is close by. what better big is out there for the same price and function?

By Luv Biggy

February 18, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

Bring back Jon Koncak.

By clarkekent

February 18, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

PJ Brown Kelvin Cato Dale Davis

By Skydawg

February 18, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Obama-Clinton drama..give me a freaking break. You mean which one wants to socialize our country faster and surrender to terrorists faster. WOW, what drama! You know the ole say…if you’re under 25 and a Republicn you have no heart..if you’re over 25 and a Democrat you have no brains. I think that says it all. After that comment, the rest wasn’t even worth readying. Nuff said!

By Mike V

February 18, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

How about P.J. Brown? He’s out of the game right now I believe and he could be a great presence inside along with a great leader in the locker room with his experience.

By Macaroni Tony

February 18, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

I don’t post often, but I do read this blog every day. I think by adding Bibby has made this team the new talk of the league, and we need some major attention. If we get a coach to just let thess guys play. If we let J. Richardson or Salim play more then JJ could get alittle more rest. What about P.J. Brown is he playing now. I just think that alot of the problems is the coach because he doesn’t develop his young players to the fullest. Get a big now or just let Solomon play, he is not a Camby or KG but they are not that much bigger than him. I do think that he can put up some good numbers.

By Krib

February 18, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

I heard Francisco Elson is on the trading block in San Antonio. We could use his size…

By T.C

February 18, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

good trade now we need someone(big man)who will make a difference.bring in dampier he’s with a run and gun team out west but will be better suited with a east coast team like the hawks so he can post up more and show he have more talent than what he’s shown thus far.

By Evildallas

February 18, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

Without waiting for someone to shake loose … (in order of liking) Rod Benson, Elton Brown, Lance Allred, or Jelani McCoy from the D-League All-Star game or Jackie Butler formerly of the Knicks, Spurs, and Rockets. I’d rather have someone scrapping for a job than a recognizable name with little left in the tank.

By Harry Hawk

February 18, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Skydawg,

Just remember that both political parties are out to make money. Surrendering to terrorists does not help either party make money, so stop swallowing that right-wing tripe. Don’t trust either side.

Bush is a terrible president. “Nuff said!”

In addition, you are a moron.

By SalimFan

February 18, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

I really Like Francisco Elson who plays with san antonio. He has a lot of potential and I beleive he has an expiring contract.

By Melvin

February 18, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

I think the Hawks should try to make a trade with Portland. They will have more than 15 players under contract next season if they decide to keep everyone on their current roster, sign the foreign player (Rudy Fernadez- misp) they got from Phoneix, sign this year draft picks and the addition of Greg Oden. I think they will have around 18 or 19 players. We could actually structure a deal with out sending them player from our current roster (ie.. future draft picks, rights to the two foreign players we drafted,).

By GeorgiaYankeesFan

February 18, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

Hawks don’t necessarily need a big man right now. Besides Detroit and Boston everyone stinks (especially with the Nets trading J Kidd), they can make the playoffs without an additional move and that should be goal #1. Now that we have Bibby is it possible for this team to turn up the tempo and outrun their opponents for victories? It worked in 99 when Ewing went down for the Knicks, Sprewell and Houston along with swift Marcus Camby out hustled everybody in the east. The goal for this organization this year is playoffs and then if the Hawks do that try to win a series. The Hawks are off to a nice start with Bibby but unless they can find a cheap big man a team is willing to depart with or coax a big man out of retirement (anyone have Karl Malone’s phone number) Hawks should establish style and tempo best suited for Bibby and try not to add too many new pieces. How do the Hawks have the right coach in place? We’ll see but he doesn’t have the no pt. guard excuse at his disposal anymore.

By drmaryb

February 18, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

This is Great! Great Move - Billy Knight It seem’s funny to me, that I am not hearing a word from all the haters and “Nem:

Where’s CLYDE? The master of Copy>Edit>Paste …Fire Billy and Fire Woody…. anyone? anyone? - seen this clown today?

Look at what we gave up? Not bad, Grand Theft for BK. I will surely miss T-Lue but lately, with no time left in the game, he was pounding the ball onto the floor too much! That drove me crazy all year long, I know, I know he was the closer (instant offense in crunch time) .. but he was holding the ball at the top of the key while everyone else would stand and look. (We lost 5-6 games like that).

Welcome Mike Bibby, great fit, now we need a true #FIVE

Go BILLY Go WOODY!

By gravy

February 18, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

what i’m really interested in is seeing who starts filling the holes now that T. Lue and A.J. are gone. Obviously you got Acie there, but I also think this makes for new playing time for Salim (which I’ve personally wanted). JJ leaves the game, Bibby roles over to guard the 2, and Salim D’s up the 1. Then on O, Bibby brings the ball up and all Salim has to do is make his shots. This could be good for Little Big Man. Also I think Solomon gets a piece of playing time until/unless a bargain big is brought onboard. Very interesting. Gotta say I likes it alot. Now if they can just put it all together…

By Bertie

February 18, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

Trading for Francisco Elson is difficult because of salaries. Dale Davis sounds like an ok option that would not cost much.

Another option might be Justin Williams (F/C), the kid that Sacramento just released. He is on the light side (listed at 6’10” 225) for a center but seems to be very athletic as in limited minutes with the Kings showed good rebounding and shot blocking abilities. An article out of Sacramento mentioned that in the original Bibby trade Williams was going to be included and Salim added to the Hawks’ players going to SAC. At the end he and Salim were excluded because Williams had the same rights as Devean George and could have blocked the trade.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/

Sekou, Can the Hawks sign him? He was waived on Saturday. What is the process and waiting period to sign a player on waivers?

By I.MUS WRITE

February 18, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

Francisco Elson would be a perfect fit… athletic 7footer who is really mobile

I would offer ZAZA/Salim for him to see if San Antonio bites.

My manz from the D League- K. Fresenko is worth a look the guy plays with an attitude really hard nosed

Hilton Armstrong/Janero Pargo for Chillz

M.Miller/Kwame Brown for Marvin

By Joe Stalls

February 18, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

We might need another big but I think if Solomon Jones get some playing time we will be alright

By Astro Joe

February 18, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

Juwan Howard may be cut from Dallas to make room for Jason Kidd. I like Dale Davis’ size but I also like Juwan’s leadership and skill set. Either of those 2 guys would be great additions to the team (although I’d lean toward Howard).

Sekou, I’m a little worried that we haven’t heard anything about Childress’ MRI. The fact that BK went out and brought in a swing player as opposed to a PG makes me think that something is wrong.

By smartguy

February 18, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

Dear Joe Johnson,

When are you going to play defense for us like you did last night?? The fact that you gave more effort on defense in an exhibition game than you do in regular season games is very upsetting for a Hawks fan. I can’t remember the last time I saw you get after it for us. And you want to lead?

For a long time I thought you were just an offensive player, basically incapable of playing D. But last night proved that you are indeed capable, and that it is more about effort than anything.

Now I know some people are going to say that I hate JJ, but that is not true. Joe, I like you, I really, really do, but the fact that you care more about impressing your All-star teammates than your Hawks teammates is not the character of a leader. I can’t remember ever seeing Mr. Johnson hitting the floor for a loose ball, can you?Lead by example and get after it.

By smartguy

February 18, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

WOODY STILL SUCKS.

By jimh

February 18, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

Trade Marvin Williams — What??? How do you know what his skills are he’s still developing them?

There are only 5 teams with a better 3rd scorer: Magic, Suns, Hornets, Celtic & Spurs. (and the Wiz if you count the 8 games Areans played) Who are you going get better than him? Who is going to give up their second option for Marvin — Well maybe lots of teams because they see the potential you obviously don’t.

By GT sux

February 18, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

I think they should sign Alvin Jones. He is about 6’11” 270 lbs. and I heard he has a “mean streak”.

By Eric

February 18, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

What about trading for Alonzo Mourning? He will immediately add a defensive presence in the middle to help Horford.

By Eagle Man

February 18, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY!

By Harry Hawk

February 18, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

I agree, Eric. All we need is some duct tape to put Zo’s knee back together. Torn patellar tendons are no match for duct tape. He’ll be as good as new in no time.

By doc

February 18, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

aj, the mri suggested a bone bruise. it is something that is good in that there is not structural damage. however it isnt as easy a call on how long it will take for it to resolve and may linger. think about soft tissue bruises, they come in different sizes and complexities to those that continue to bleed because of the trauma like shaq had three years ago that cost him a shot at the ring that year. it signifies a bit of force where bleeding has occurred into surrounding areas, to say it has happened into bone is significant. crumpler from the falcons had two yearsor so ago and was out for several weeks. personally i fell onto my wrist and had continued pain for four months, they scanned it and gave me the info of a bone bruise.

the injury if not healed will continue to be a problem if he goes back too early and traumatizes it again. i was at the game and said when it happened as he came down awkwardly to jhan i thought he was injured though he was still functional. maybe too much info but i doubt it is going to be more than what sekou knows or can read into it, i.e. day to day or week to week. the latter is more likely. remember he had swelling that increased over night and that will have to go away.

By Atl Flavor

February 18, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

You would think this trade would OPEN the door for more PT for Solo. But there is some BIG man talent in the D league worth trying.Richardson will hit the ground running. Benson is a rebounding machine. He is thin though ,Solo has him by 10 lbs. Kevin Lyde would be a good banger, but probably cant run. Both would be good for practice though. If Za Za would come on, we could really be ok. Just give 10 to 15 mins of HARD play with good D and no wild shots. We have to get at least 10 guys who can PLAY in GAMES. Chill Za Za and Acie are 3 off the bench. That leaves Mario Salim Solo and D league additions. That should be enough. But if we get an injury or anything else things get shaky realllll fast. Acie will learn alot from Bibby. They really do have the same game. Acie can shoot. I dont know WTF has happened to him, but he can shoot. I think his shot will come back with Bibby. Hopefully all this will come together now.

By Dr. Warren

February 18, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

Sekou,

What kind of cap space will the Hawks have left over, if any, to pursue more help over the summer?

By doc

February 18, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

i have to laugh at the guy complaining about bibby shooting “only” 40 %. dude that is form long range, three point territory. anyone who shoots 33% from there is doing as good as someone banking it in from 2 ft at 50% like marvin does. it is like getting a guy shooting 55 to 60 % from close in. he will open things up for everyone. no more zone defenses for a half like was seen at charlotte unless he is off.

if i remember this richardson kid is the last hawk to fire and score with the game on the line for further away than the foul line. good pick up but should have never been anywhere but here this season. make up time for bk.

woody it is all on your shoulders. .500 season or bust even though we are now 7 down now. i have given the hawks that win with miami until it is taken away in march by a huge fold by the hawks and/or game mismanagement from woody.

By Ron Roberts

February 18, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Why’s it gotta be the ‘Fulton County lockup’ when speaking to basketball fans?

Oh, sorry… I think Al Sharpton had taken over my body for just a brief moment.

Dale Davis - not a bad idea. The Detroit Pistons sending him to Atlanta? Pistons fans would say BAD IDEA.

They’re not far from having a losing record against us this season, and helping us get better isn’t in their best interests - especially since we’re in the same conference and could potentially be their first-round matchup.

By Alvin Jones

February 18, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

I am out on bail and available to play as soon as needed. SEKOU you just described me to a T. I can play “lights out” every night and give you the 6’11” 275 lb. presence you need in the middle behind Horford. Plus, I love Atlanta!

By terrell barron

February 18, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Dale Davis is 175 yrs old. We would do better scouting the D-League. It should’nt be that hard to find a replacement for the Mr.Comic.(Lorenzen)

By Dan

February 18, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

I dont know if NJ would trade him since they just got hime but what about DeSagana Diop a young 7 footer 280 pds ? Or maybe another young Kwame Brown 6-11 270 maybe if he comes back home playing with alot of young guys maybe his play will change? Then there is one more young center Eddy Curry who the Knicks want to get rid of?

By Hugh G. Rection

February 18, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

get Kac out of retirement or else get Andrew Bynum or Kareem

By Alex K

February 18, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

There is a guy named ANTONIO MCDYESS. It would probably be hard to get him but if we could were talking about championships. He is what the hawks need. He has veteran leadership and he is a beast in the paint. So what do you guys think about him.

By RA

February 18, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

Yea, I’m afraid I have to agree with Terrell, we need a bruiser, but we need one that isn’t old enough to draw social security… D-league is a possibility, any cadillac williams type would do, mass over talent… We just need someone that’s going to stop up the lane and be able to bang, everything else is negotiable. I think they’ll be able to find a warm body to fit the bill without beating the bushes around the retirement home…

By terrell barron

February 18, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

Skydawg, not the place for politics. It’s obvious that you’ve never read Sekou’s stuff. He’s the best in the Atl. He’ll throw some s** out there every now and then, but when it comes to beat writers, you wont find a better one. You should be happy to have him. Why dont you go and check out what great stories Terence and Jeff wrote for ya, and then come back and apoligize to Sekou.

By Steve

February 18, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

Trading for Jermaine O’Neal would require Al Horford or Marvin Williams, Indiana won’t give him away. A better option for the Hawks would be trading for a different Pacer, Jeff Foster. Foster would be the perfect addition to the Hawks. The question that remains is who do the Hawks give up? Acie Law for Jeff Foster?

By mykhalc

February 18, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

we need to do a breath-o-analyzer test on some cats that are postin’ suggestions!! MCDYESS…you were kiddin’…right???

By Steve

February 18, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

Trading for Jermaine O’Neal would require Al Horford or Marvin Williams, Indiana won’t give him away. A better option for the Hawks would be trading for a different Pacer, Jeff Foster. Foster would be the perfect addition to the Hawks. The question that remains is who do the Hawks give up? Acie Law for Jeff Foster?

By Astro Joe

February 18, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

Doc, thanks, I miised that report about the bruised bone. Didn’t JJ also have a deep thigh bruise that kept him sidelined in March/April?

Yeah, that Richardson play last year was classic Woody. Puts him in the game (ahead of Salim if I recall correctly) with less than 10 seconds in the game. Childress drives, 2 defenders come over and Chill passes to an open shooter, Richardson, who misses the shot. And Woody says that Chill should not have put the game in Richardson’s hands. Which begged the question, if Richardson was not prepared to shoot the ball in that situation, why was he on the court? That was about the 13th cherry on the “fire Woody” sundae for me last year.

With Chill hurt and Salim in Woody’s dungeon, Richardson will likely get some PT soon. Or Bibby/JJ will end up playing 46 minutes a game for the next week.

By terrell barron

February 18, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

Lets not forget, the team thats ahead of us just picked up a very fast point guard, who is also a good defender(Harris), and a big man in the middle, which they lacked.(Diop

By RA

February 18, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

I have to back Joe on his last comment. Our best shooter has been riding the pine all year. My philosophy, us Salim, or trade him.

By Volman

February 18, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

Myk, where the hell are all of these “Fans” coming from!! haha.

You know there is going to be some crazy talk now that there is a certain buzz around this franchise!

You should come down for some playoff games!

By Alex K

February 18, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

Well do you think Dale Davis would help us anymore. He would probably turn into dust in the middle of a game. This guy is like 74 years old. I was exaggerating on the championships part but he would help this team out alot. No hes not a 7 footer but he would bring in some leadership that the hawks need. McDyess has won a couple of rings himself.

By EJH

February 18, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

I Like the Richardson kid at 6’7”/6’8”, he reminds me of J.R. Smith from Denver not quite as athletic, but he still has some talent and the kid does have range and he is still young. I think this is part of the reason the Hawks also made the trade is to make room for this guy. As for a Big Frontcourt presence that we need, we can’t get anyone on anyone’s roster, especially Jermaine O’Neal, this guy makes 19 miillion per year, you have to trade your best players to get that guy and that is not going to happen. I say the Hawks either sign P.J. Brown or Dale Davis; P.J. Brown preferrably, he is 6’11” and weighs 240 lbs., and he has some offensive moves as well as he is a good defender and he to can help Al and J-Smooth learn a lot, he has playoff and championship esperience, this is the guy the Hawks need, because he is in semi-retirement and ensure us of moving up to at least the sixth playoff spot.

By Chris D'

February 18, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Sekou, If you are going to go old school. I would endorse Kevin Willis over Dale Davis. He could play some spot minutes and he could help the team with some fashion assistance and maybe hook a certain AJC sports reporter up with a full length leather coat.

“In 1988, during his fourth season in the NBA, Willis and former Spartans teammate Ralph Walker started their company, Willis & Walker, in Atlanta. They cater mainly to NBA players, designing everything from shirts to jackets to suits.

He and Walker first designed and made jackets for themselves, which prompted people to ask where they got them. Once their peers started clamoring for the clothes, Willis knew they were on to something.”

By mykhalc

February 18, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

DOC, yeah mahalo too bro. i’ve been tryin’ to get an answer from SS for 2 blogs now regardin’ CHILS’ MRI. guess i missed his follow-up report too.

i’d rather see a young and hungry bruiser from the D-L. get someone with energy and willing to provide the beef. has-beens or these crazy outta the mind suggestions that won’t fit salary wise are whack.

my trade would still be ZAZA/SALIM to GSW for O’BRYANT/PIETRUS.i gotta feelin’ they won’t part with ZAZA at this point tho. but i’d take a chance on O’BRYANT. i’ve only seen him play twice…one very good game and the other was nothin’ to speak of. GSW should like this trade since ZAZA can hit the 8-10 footer and SALIM (exp contract also) won’t demand mins like PIETRUS is demandin’ right now. HAWKS would get another ‘proven’ player in PIETRUS (plays 2 and 3) and get to audition him to see if he fits in the plan for next year too. and his contract is expirin’ too!! so no harm no foul!! the question is would O’BRYANT be an upgrade over ZAZA in the areas that the team is really lackin’ in!!??!!! personally, i’d take the chance!!! but a bench with PIETRUS, MARIO, and RICHARDSON would do it for me!!! O’BRYANT and SOLO are a bit more iffy at this point. but doesn’t look any worse, to me, than ZAZA and SOLO!!

By terrell barron

February 18, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

I doubt that Dumars would let Davis go to a potential 1st rd opponent, and I know for DAM SURE that he wont get rid of Mcdyess. Thats just crazy!

By DRow

February 18, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

Sekou i know this is kinda off topic, but i would like to know, what is the deal with the david andersen kid from australia. is he ever going to play for us or what. also what would it take to bring him over here.

By terrell barron

February 18, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

Kevin Willis? Is this Hawks talk or History class?

By mykhalc

February 18, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

VOLMAN, yeah i’d luv to make it back!! got to add you to the standin’ date with DOC and ANDO when i do get there!!

can’t wait to see the final make-up of the team come trade deadline!!!

By John

February 18, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

I think Dale Davis would be a great addition. I wish we could get a cleaned up Shawn Kemp. Evidently he is back in playing shape. Don’t get on me to hard. He was just always my childhood favorite. Whoever says we need Jermaine O’Neal is crazy. Some people think we can just trade for the entire all-star team.

By I.MUS WRITE

February 18, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

NEW JERSEY HAS YOUNG ATHLETIC BIG MEN,I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO GO AFTER dIOP IF POSSIBLE…. WHAT COULD IT HURT WE DONT HAVE ANY DRAFT PICKS THIS SUMMER. CHILLZ FOR DIOP-MAYBE THROW IN A FUTURE 2ND ROUNDER. DIOP IS THE 7FT DEFENSIVE CENTER WE NEED

i WOULD PREFER US GO AFTER GUYZ IN THE LEAGUE NOW VS. D-LEAGURES OR AN OLD RUN DOWN PLAYERS LIKE DALE DAVIS

IF WE ARE SET ON GOING TO THE D-LEAGUE FOR HELP ITZ GOTTA BE FRENCESCO——-7’1 290 NASTY ATTITUDE

By mykhalc

February 18, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

and to add, my trade suggestion with GSW still allows the team to get a bruiser from the D-L!!

By Clyde

February 18, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

Some of yall on this blog get so excited over every little move the Hawks make. Remember Bibby has to actually go out on the court and produce wins for this team. Lets not anoint him as our savior so soon. We will see if this was a good trade in 2 months.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By Lil E

February 18, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

It seems like it is much more likely that we move Childress with the signing of Richardson. I wonder if we could get a player like Diop and a 2nd round pick for Childress.

By Astro Joe

February 18, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

terrell barron, Dale Davis is no longer with the Pistons. He’s a free agent and could be signed this afternoon for the vet’s minimum at a prorated salary.

By tcrews

February 18, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

Hire Kenny (Jet) Smith then you will see runnin n gunnin with victories.

By HawksFan

February 18, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

The hawks shouldn’t give up anyone for anyone unless it makes sense for both sides. With Bibby, we should now be a solid running team. Let Law back him up and develope like he should. Let Salim finally get some clock and back up Joe, with Chills backing up Marvin (Chills is very underratted part of this team and we should not be so quick to off him). Between Zaza (don’t forget he was a starter last year though I personally don’t like him for this team) and Solo (possible Samuel Dalembert type). Another big wouldn’t hurt but we should be able to get a 6 seed without much more, barring we stay away from injuries.

P.S. Please stop of the obsurd trade talks. No one is going to give up Mike Miller AND Kwame for Marvin Williams. Skill sets don’t match up and neither do contracts.

By Macaroni Tony

February 18, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

Lil E I don’t understand why would we move Childress for Richardson. Childress is up (potential) for being awarded the sixth man of the year. That would be dumb on the Hawks part. And Clyde sometimes winning have to start in your mind. So if the players start believing that they can win then they win start winning. I do believe that if we can get a new coach then we are on our way.

By RA

February 18, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Okay, Astro Joe, yea, we could get Dale Davis this afternoon,but why. That’s an impressive picture they have of him on the Hawks ajc page, but it was also from 1996. Right now a more accurate dipiction would have him in a walker, gumming jello with a hospice nurse at the ready. Folks please, double D is not the answer. What we need is someone that’s not going to break a hip getting a rebound. Seriously, I believe that Hawksfan is more right than wrong. We can find what we need without making a stupid trade, or scurrying the Alzheimer’s ward…

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 18, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

If Dale Davis actually has something left in the tank, he would be a good addition. I would rather have PJ Brown because he has played well more recently. I would rather not look at D-league prospects first though — what the Hawks need is a veteran who knows how to play, not a young guy who is high on talent and low on basketball IQ. Keep in mind that whoever the Hawks sign is only gonna play 10 minutes or so per game anyway, so it doesn’t exactly have to be an All-Star.

If there are no veteran options available and they have to go the D-League route, they should take a look at Jackie Butler. I’m not sure if his rights are owned by any NBA team, but the guy is 7 feet tall, has talent, and has produced in limited minutes in the past. He could probably provide better shot-blocking and rebounding than anyone else out there.

By mykhalc

February 18, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

yeah, RICHARDSON will ‘cause SALIM to be moved, if anybody!!! IMHO

By Lil E

February 18, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

I personally believe Childress is a little overrated. He doesn’t play great defense and without any kind of set/jump shot, he isn’t a good guard. He is weak and gets manhandled by most average sized SF. He does move well without the ball on offense. However, he just isn’t capable of scoring or making plays in a half court situation. I think he could be a good piece on another team, but here we need to give our shooters more minutes (see Bibby & Richardson). Also, because he can be good on another team, we could actually get something of value in return. I don’t think Childress is even in top 3 consideration for 6th man, even though he is a good 6th man.

By bryan tew

February 18, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

Sekou,

Bring in Marcus Camby. His contract is almost up and they would be willing to trade him for say, Salim, Solomon and Childress.

Cmaby would fit in nicely in the Hawks rotation. Can you imagine Camby & Smith defending the same low post.

By doc

February 18, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

pistons got 10 mpg out of davis last year over 46 games. he avg 3rb, 2 pts and 1 block. that is more than they got out of rens this year. unless he is too busy to pick up some shag money he would be worth it as a known entity with playoff experience and a good guy in the clubhouse. prorate the numbers over 35 minutes and it approximates his 8 and 8 avg performance over his career.

By terrell barron

February 18, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Astro, he’s still 175 yrs old. I dont care if he’s with the Pistons or not.

By terrell barron

February 18, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

Marcus Camby? Are you guys thinking before you post? Why would George Karl get rid of one of the best defenders in the league for Childress and 2 players that cant see the floor for a NON PLAYOFF team in the EASTERN CONFERENCE? They would automatically become a non-factor out west. Think people! Think!

By richbrave

February 18, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

You don’t need me to tell you how good drmaryb’s FAB FIVE are. So I’m just being a reader. After awhile things with Bibby will shake out, and I may be back. See youz on March 17. Good luck.

By Danny Manning

February 18, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

Suckers.

By RA

February 18, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Doc,

I don’t care what he did last season, prorate his body over 35 minutes and you’ve got a broken hip and a body cast. Really, barron’s right…

By stew27

February 18, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

whatever happen to the big foriegn guy Andreas Glyniadacas, or something like that

By jdewayneatl

February 18, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

The big man situation could already be resolved.

Sac-Town will waive Lorenzen Wright and after 30-Days we pick him back up.

We know how he works, he is already accustomed to the system, and really is there anyone within grasp mentioned that is more serviceable than Lo Wright.

By cp

February 18, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Matt you brought some serious heat to that last blog. As far as Butler, if I remember correctly he is out of shape. I think that is one reason he hasn’t really stuck on a team because the kid wont stay in shape. I could be wrong though. Maybe Woodson will use his bench now but knowing Woody he will run the starters ragged trying to make the playoffs. It would be nice to see Solo and Salim get some minutes but we have the Gregg Knapp of basketball. Honestly Woodson has no more excuses. He needs to put up or shut up. I dont want to hear about a lack of depth, injuries , and lack of a pg. He had depth and no injuries and still did nothing with it. He has his pg so I dont want to hear the same crap over and over from this guy. Get it done or pack ya bags.

By RA

February 18, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

Okay Mr.jdewayneatl, considering the minutes that he’s played, a coatrack would be more serviceable than Lorenzen Wright. If nothing else, it’d be on the floor long enough to do the job you pay it for… Next!

By GC

February 18, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Sekou, With Shawn Marion in Miami now, could the Hawks go after Mark Blount? He’s big, serviceable and relatively cheap.

Elson is not a bad idea, but I think Kwame Brown could work out. Or Darko. Both of them will be expensive though. Speaking of the Grizzlies, they have Kyle Lowry and 3 rookie PGs on the roster. Who goes, and where?

By BK

February 18, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

Sekou, you wanted your boy Luke Ridenhour, but I wanted Bibby. Thats why I’m the GM and your’re the beat writer. lol

By R. Kelly

February 18, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

We need a starting center, so that Horford can be truelly affective playing his natural position as well as Josh Smith. Hortford at power foward, Smith at small foward is butter. We do not need to make another move this year unless it is a major one, like trading Marvin Williams and Salim, if you do not have any plans on playing him, for a legitimate center, or do the Phoenix and Golden State thing and play small, but we all know that is not a plan for real success come play off time. Maybe we good get Okafur, a good young defensive center, if we trade Marvin and Salim. If not we need to hold tight until we can sign a real piece of the puzzle not just a roster filler. We can use the D-league for that. By the way, Dale Davis is like 200yrs. old. Why not try to sign Hakeem or Ewing out of retirement?! At least they are future Hall of Famers.

By jdewayneatl

February 18, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

RA, under the circumstances theres no one within the Hawks budget that will provide any better minutes than Lo Wright. You pick… Dale Davis, some D-Leaguer, or Lo Wright. Anyone we pick up won’t play major minutes anyway.

Its obvious that the BK did not want to break up the core of the team so the only trade options include Salim and Solo. We could trade Salim to Golden State for Austin Croshere (salaries match) but with more playing time and playing alongside Bibby, Salim would be more valuable to the Hawks, that is if Woody plays him.

By A-Dawg

February 18, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

I have a feeling there are some playoff teams that would sign Lo-Wright if the Kings waived him.

I don’t think he’s an option. Jelani McCoy is available in the NBDL, and he may end up being the best option available.

By Jay

February 18, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

What happened to David Andersen? Add Kelvin Cato, Jason Collins or Joel Prizbilla. Do it Billy!

By doc

February 18, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

ra who do you want? my reference to prorate him was not to suggest he get those minutes just that his production was similar to his career. btw he is 38 or 39.

By GC

February 18, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Salim is done in ATL. Acie is what the Hawks expected Salim to be — a combo guard that could spell either the PG or SG in the middle quarters. Hasn’t happened, and time has run out. Find a team that could use a quick trigger off the bench and has a big to give up (Phoenix — Brian Skinner), and you might have a deal.

By SSI Fan

February 18, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

I believe that teams that control the backboards and dominate the inside on offense and defense will be more successful over the course of a season or a playoff series. With Bibby in the lineup it may be possible to play Horford and Smith as the starting forwards, especially if Smith improves his outside shot. I would try to put together a package for a quality, legitimate sized center who could start, not sign someone who would offer nothing more than Wright did. The hawks need someone who can give them the same type contribution that Tyson Chandler gives New Orleans.

By randy

February 18, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

I can’t wait to see Bibby and the Hawks in LA. Too bad we couldn’t have packaged Woodson in the trade too. I guess Sacramento isn’t that stupid.

By wingedwill

February 18, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

GIVE BIG ZAZA PACHULIA SOME MINUTES FOR ONCE! GIVEN THE TIME HE CAN PUT UP SOME NUMBERS.

By randy

February 18, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

You guys are deluded…BK will bring up a couple D-leaguers and be done. I still can’t believe BK did this trade all by himself. But I’m sure BK is all given out. He will go back into the woods and hibernate.

By I.MUS WRITE

February 18, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

HERE WE GO AGAIN -HHAWKS FAN IS PLAYING GM……..

MARVIN FOR MIKE MILLER….THAT DEAL COULD GET DONE KWAME WOULD BE A THROW IN….THEY GAVE UP GASOL FOR SOME OL GYM SOCKS AND 2 FIRST’S

THERE WERE WORSE TRADE IDEAS POSTED HERE.PICK ON SUMONE YOUR SIZE IM TOO BIG FOR YOU

By new jersey faithful

February 18, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

I’ve asked this before, and now it may be more realistic with this trade. What happens when the Hawks make the playoffs and Woody is rewarded with a new contract?? It sucks, but it is a possibility, especially if management thinks Woody is improving and they want to give him more time with this group of players.

By cp

February 18, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

new jersey I thought about that possibilty too and it scares me. I think if we make the playoffs thus making this team more attractive to players and coaches we could maybe get a head coach with some type of clue in here. Right now I really dont know what coach would be a great fit for this type of team and then again I guess I have not put too much thought into it. Im sure there has to be a coach out there who would thrive with a uptempo type team because Woody has not shown me he will let the guys play to their strengths the whole game which is to run. Hell any new coach can’t possibly be any worse than Woody with his lack of adjustments and use of the bench. I had forgot about Dermarr Johnson until I saw his name on the realgm board but now we have Richardson so I doubt we could use Dermarr. Kid is 6’9 like BK loves plus he has range. Its a damn shame he got in that car accident I really thought he was going have a great third season. He was looking good his second year when he was finally getting consistent pt and earned the coaches trust. I remember one game he had about 29 points 12 boards and a few blocks. He shouldn’t have been the 6th pick but the kid had talent in my opinion but then again I am a homer at times when it comes to certain players. Getting Elson from San Antonio would be perfect actually to fill the big man void. If i remember correctly BK wanted him once he left Denver as a free agent but he chose to go to the Spurs. He is atheletic, can run and block shots. I say give it a shot and see what it would take to pry him away from the Spurs.

By clarkekent

February 18, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

FIRE MIKE WOODSON

By JohnGTFan

February 18, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

ZaZa can put up numbers alright….TURNOVERS. I like him every 5th or 6th game, but the rest of the time, he looks more goofy than GOOFY (Marvin)! I can’t wait to see Bibby in uniform with the Hawks, but man, the schedule makers…could they have made the Hawks schedule after the break any tougher!!!! WOW!

By ErnestFleming

February 18, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

The Bibby trade is a very bad trade for the Hawks. Bibby is on the downside of a glorious career, but he is past the twilight and his career is fading faster than the sun setting in the west. The Hawks gave up much too much for Bibby and they will be hurting for not having access to the talent they just dispatched out. If the Hawks really wanted an instant contender they would lure Steve Smith and Dominique Wilkins, both out of the broadcast booths and back into the Hawks lineup for the Hawks to improve. The Hawks will never have a great team as long as Billy Knight is running the team. Billy is known to make good deals, but he always comes up too short to really impact the Hawks roster. I tell you who would make the Hawks an absolute winner and that would be if the Hawks somehow could locate Karl Malone (mailman) out of retirement, that would make the Hawks an instant contender and give Karl a chance to get the elusive championship ring he has never gotten.

By weetheresearcher

February 18, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Go get Steve Thomas- information about Steve below retrieved February 18, 2008 from http://www.ekminers.com/pr/pr020808.html Note-cut and pasted majority of the article.

PIKEVILLE, KY. – Another CBA All-Star has joined the East Kentucky Miners professional basketball organization. East Kentucky – one of four CBA expansion teams – has signed forward Steve Thomas (6-8, 235).

A native of Carrollton, Ga., Thomas has enjoyed hardwood success throughout his basketball career. He played three seasons at Georgia before moving on to Middle Tennessee State for his senior campaign. As a junior at Georgia during the 2002-03 season, Thomas averaged 10.2 points and 7.3 rebounds per game. After sitting out the 2003-04 season per NCAA rules, Thomas finished strong at Middle Tennessee. He averaged 10.5 points and 7.5 rebounds while shooting 48.5 percent from the field in 24 games for the Blue Raiders.

Thomas helped to lead Georgia to the 2002 SEC Eastern Division Regular Season Championship.

The former Georgia Bulldog has been active in professional basketball across the United States and overseas since 2005. His professional basketball accolades have included: All-WBA 1st Team (2005), Polish League All-Star (2006), Eurobasket.com All-Polish League Defensive Player of the Year (2006), Eurobasket.com All-Polish League 2nd Team (2006), Eurobasket.com Polish League All-Imports Team (2006), Eurobasket.com Polish League All-Defensive Team (2006) and CBA All-Star (2008).

Earlier in the season, Thomas starred for the Atlanta Krunk, an American Conference rival of the Miners. He averaged a double-double of 12.7 points and 11.1 rebounds in 20 games for the Krunk.

“Steve (Thomas) was a very productive player for the Atlanta franchise earlier in the season, averaging a double-double for a talented team,” said East Kentucky Coach Kevin Keathley. “We’re looking for him to bring a bigger interior presence on a more consistent basis. He’s an individual we hope will play big on the inside. We’re excited to have Steve Thomas onboard with the East Kentucky Miners.”

By derrick

February 18, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

can anyone tell me why mike is still our coach

By Bertie

February 18, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

Tha latest on the Kidd trade is that Dallas is probably going to release Nick Fazekas to make room for Van Horn. Fazekas would be a guy worth signing for the remaining of the year. He is big and can shoot, slow and not too athletic. Could be viewed as the 2nd rounder we gave SAC.

By drmaryb

February 18, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

Hey New Jersey Faithful

Don’t you have enough problems in New Jersey, why are you on this BLOG complaining about ANYTHING going on here is the “A”?

Your team has much worse problems than the HAWKS! Heck any GM out there in the EAST would love to have ‘BK’s TEAM’

Why do you care about WOODY? I believe Laurence Franks could use your support!

Go Hawks! Go BILLY! Go WOODY! all You Haters - Go AWAY!!

By doc

February 18, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

drmaryb, be nice lady. how would you feel if someone said the same to you, go away because we dont agree with you?

maybe he is a nj faithful for the hawks. dont send our fans away any fan as there arent enough of them as it is.

By richbrave

February 18, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

drmaryb:

How ya’ dooin’ drm? God mary. Go on O’Brian’s Braves blog. Sometimes the dam4ed thing is innundated with Mets fans. I was blasting them all yesterday afternoon. And if you respond to them it just gets worse. Thats why I wandered over here and found Sekou’s articles a couple of weeks ago. But really you, doc, ray darkryder et. al. have the makings of a great blog. Problem is when you get some upside like Smith is providing to Atlanta Hawks fans, its so good other fans can’t stand it and join in.

By robdawg06

February 18, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

The Hawks need a scoring/defensive center now to complete the roster. Ben Wallace (I think) is the man they need. They need a rebounding machine to run the floor in transition with Bibby and J.Smith. Trade Zaza and next year’s #1 to the Bulls for B.Wallace. And sign Wallace to a 3 or 4 year deal right away too. Go Hawks !

By terrell barron

February 18, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this

Doc, Ando, Ken, Mykhalc, Astro, etc….. Where are you guys? I want to read some REALISTIC trades, or something that makes sense. Where did all these so-called fans come from? AMAZING!

By robdawg06

February 18, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

G - M.Bibby G - J.Johnson C - Ben Wallace F - A.Horford F - J.Smith

Put this team on the floor and bring on the Celtics and Pistons baby !!!

By richbrave

February 18, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

robdog06:

Had the pleasure of watching Ben Wallace right here in Richmond at Virginia Union. Always been my team. Later on T.V. with the Wizards, now Chicago. Sometimes like when Charles Oakley, Terry Davis and Ben Wallace have played here, they were the best basketball team in the state - hands down. The coaching is top-notch (713 wins and counting. A local high school coach arrived at Union in 1978. Since then, three national champions (Div. II). He runs a version of Chuck Noe’s (Virginia Commonwealth University) old “mongoose” defense.

By mykhalc

February 18, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

terrell barron, LOL man. yo bro i gave my most desired trade earlier…ZAZA/SALIM to GSW for PIETRUS/O’BRYANT but i ain’t gettin’ no luv for it!!LOL works like a charm in trade machine!! and we can still grab another BIG!!! see my earlier posts for my reasons!! lemme know what cha think!!!

By drmaryb

February 18, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

Hey doc

I don’t have to be nice if I don’t want to. Besides, everybody crying for a TRADE…well you got one…Now What?

More Complaints?…some people will never be satisfied, and yes they can GO AWAY….we don’t need Fake-Fans from anyone named “NewJerseyFaithful” If you like him so much? You can go to New Jersey Too!

By Luis Malave

February 18, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

I got a name for you: Josh Boone. A young big man with talent. He killed us the last two times. He’s a second year player, who might come cheap. What do you guys think?

By the way what can we do with a center like Ben Wallace, no offensive game, terrible free-throw shooter. I don’t think so…robdawg06

By robdawg06

February 18, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

Hey terrel, I guess your REALISTIC trade is Salim Stoudamire for Kwame Brown ? Why is it wrong to hope the Hawks can a legitimate center to win now ? I remember the years with Domonique,Theus,Spudd,and Moses Malone when the Hawks MATTERED in the NBA. Billy night had Rasheed Wallace for 4 days,let J.Terry go become a star,and let B.Diaw go become a good player. Then he drafted S.Williams over C.Paul when we needed a guard. Nobody can justify his drafts or trades. Sure he just got Bibby but going 1 for 12 gets most GM’s FIRED.

By robdawg06

February 18, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

Ben Wallace gives you 20 rebounds and 10 blocked shots per game. You don’t need points from him. No center hits free throws consistently. Center’s aren’t shooters they are in the paint scorers (DUNKERS). Are you Zaza’s daddy or something ?

By John

February 18, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

Some of these suggestions are too funny to even laugh at. Why does everyone want to get rid of Marvin. He is just in his third year and is showing great improvement each year. He is 21 or 22 years old and averaging around 16 a game. That is not bad. He should be a Senior in college this year.

By Ryan

February 18, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

OK EArnest.

I’m sorry, but Lorenzen Wright, Tyronn Lue and ANthony JOhnson are NOT major talent top give up. .and quite frankly, then last thing the hawks need is ANOTHER rookie.

SO please, show me how they gave up so much. .’cause I don’t see it.

By Brad in KY

February 18, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

I was going to suggest Kevin Willis, but I see that someone has beaten me to it. The only difference is that I was going to suggest it as a joke…

By Sekou K. Smith

February 18, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

Josh Childress is here at practice, knee sleeve on his right knee and ready to go. He said he’s good to go for Tuesday’s game against the Los Angeles Lakers.

It’s a funny scene, the Hawks meeting their new point guard, basically for the first time.

Interesting stuff.

SS

By doc

February 18, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

drmaryb i imagine i will be here a lot longer than you. seen a lot come and go. yes acceptance and kindness are a choice and yes you may do whatever you want. it is your karma, jump to whatever conclusion you want.

By Ryan

February 18, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

ONe for 12, eh? SO Josh SMith, AL HOrford and Marvin WIlliams are complete Custs who nobody wants, are they?

Grow up.

By randy

February 18, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

Why is everyone saying Bibby is on the downside of his career. The guy is 29! What is Jason Kidd, like 40? Now Kidd is in the twilight of his career. Bibby is still relatively young. Besides the thumb injury earlier this season, I am not aware of any injuries that have plagued him. So, I don’t see how he has lost a step. This may not make up for the whole Paul/Deron and Roy debacle, but it is great trade. If this doesn’t work, it is on Woody plain and simple. Hopefully, Woody will stay plastered on the bench and let Bibby do his thing.

By Luis Malave

February 18, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this

Don’t be an idiot robdawg06. Try 10.6 Reb and 2.2 blocks, career numbers(8.8 boards and 1.6 blocks this season). Nothing special about Ben Wallace, other than convincing Chicago to pay him all that money. You don’t know what you are talking about.

By richbrave

February 18, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

drmaryb:

Bad day girl. Want to talk?

By mykhalc

February 18, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

Sekou, thanks for the CHILS’ update!!

well practice shouldn’t last too long after BIBBY learns the play-PAGE!!!! maybe they’ll hang around and play a pickup to get a feel for each other’s game!!!

WOODSON’s still gotta go…PERIOD!!!

By doc

February 18, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this

aj good info on the chills man. very quick recovery so area involved must have been small.

By richbrave

February 18, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

doc/drmaryb:

you were nice enough to intercede between Ando and myself. I consider drmaryb and doc as friends on this blog. I hate to see words between you. Anything I can do? Can we forget it and move on? Mary, I thought the trade helped the team, much as I hate seeing a division adversary of the Wizards improve. As robdog06 said, just a defensive #5 presence away. I’m down with that. How about you two. Would think Ben Wallace is the one especially as I’ve met the man personally. What do you two think it would take to bring him here?

By terrell barron

February 18, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

Robdog, Ben Wallace is robbing Chicago right now. Do you know what his salary is? I’m not even going to to waste my time arguing over NON REALISTIC s**. By the way, you just called yourself out, so evidentally, you know that your’re not making any sense.

By terrell barron

February 18, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this

Mykhalc, The play page. Thats a good one. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. ISO TO JOE! We’re the only team in the league that NEVER run a play. I like that trade proposal, but I’m sure all the Salim lovers wont.

By cp

February 18, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

mykhalc it will probably take Bibby only 5 minutes to pick up the playbook seeing how it is only probably 2 pages long.. Where did all these other people come from with these outrageous trades and comments?. Elson from the Spurs is the big that would probably help us the most but I dont know what the Spurs would want for him. Well they would probably want Salim and something else. Salim would be a long distance weapon . He would get plenty of open shots seeing how Duncan sees a lot of doubles. Might be a great move for both teams actually.

By mykhalc

February 18, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

terrell barron, i think even my karmic connected, main man DOC would swap SALIM for PIETRUS!!! the thing about PIETRUS is he WOULD see the floor at 2 and 3!! whereas, who knows when SALIM sees the floor as long as the BRAINLESS WONDER is still HC!!! then again, with PIETRUS bein’ from FRANCE, he might not see the floor either!!! the FRENCH and WOODSON, not a good match!! PLAYERS and WOODSON, not a good match!!!! coachin’ and…aahhh you get it!!!LOL

By stevo

February 18, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

trying to help the lesser informed of the group…….

camby, o’neal, wallace, mcdyess…..

things to keep in mind when seeking a trade: salaries, age, injuries, other team’s makeup, interests, and needs. i won’t go into details, but the reasons the above names are silly at best is because of one or more of the above. for example, maybe the hawks could get wallace pretty easily (i think they could - his age is up there, his production is way down (the whole 20 rebound thing was at least three years ago), and his contract is a monster - basically chicago would love to deal him). but they can’t have $10 million dollar players at every position. jj, bibby, soon to be josh, add another (i.e. wallace), who knows what marvin will get this summer or next, and definitely horford in two more years. anyway, hopefully you get the point.

By doc

February 18, 2008 7:35 PM | Link to this

no reason to intercede richbrave, i accept her as is just as i accepted the guy she wanted to run off last week. it is in my nature and i was agreeing with her that she can make any choice she wants from acceptance to hating on the haters, heh heh or me for that matter. choices.

looking forward to seeing how much game bibby has in him. can he do what walt hazzard, mookie or doc did in the old days? is he the compliment to jj? can he distribute the ball where other guys want it to make them better? does he have his shot still to stretch the defenses a bit? will coach let him play? lots of questions with answers to come soon.

if he is about where i think he is then this team might approach the 41 win mark and get a bit higher in the pecking order for the playoffs and even be in a position to get through the first round.

By stevo

February 18, 2008 7:40 PM | Link to this

why trade marvin, you ask? (somebody asked, anyway)

this is why.

it has been three years, he is young, but what has he shown he can do? forget his projections fromd raft night, what has he SHOWN us in three years. not much. he has a modestly consistent mid-range jump shot and he can finish on the break. defense, rebounding, passing, post game, three point shot, driving and finishing - not so much.

so trade him when other teams might think he has potential and might give something of real value in return. i am not saying trade him for scrap or give him away. really, i am only saying trade him if you can get a GOOD, YOUNG, big man (don’t know if such a player exists - probably not one another team would want to trade). and no i am not thinking of howard or anything like that. basically nobody realistic comes to mind.

but that is why i would trade marvin. i would even consider it for the memphis trio (lowry, miller, kwame), except the salaries definitely do not match up.

anyway, it looks like we are stuck without a center and with marvin’s real limitations at this point.

By SalimFan

February 18, 2008 7:45 PM | Link to this

I just recently heard that salim was initially supposed to be in that sacramento deal……Heads will roll and thats all I have to say about that. At least let his contract play out this year so that he can make the best choice “playing-wise” for his career. Don’t throw my guy under the bus by sending him to sactown.

Its not even his fault woody just doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing. RICK CARLISLE FOR HEAD COACH!!! That’s the new campaign slogan. I’ve had it. This is the last straw for woody. Salim better get PT……Dammit

By mykhalc

February 18, 2008 7:52 PM | Link to this

DOC, just saw BIBBY against GSW a few games ago and man, it was like he was playin’ against LAL a few years back!! game was back and forth at the end, BIBBY comin’ down and nailin’ 2 big shots in a row, one bein’ a 3. it was money time and he was money!! he’s still got it from what i saw that nite!!

By van

February 18, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this

Bring back Esteban Batista!!

By doc

February 18, 2008 8:01 PM | Link to this

cool myk glad to hear it about bibby. i am all down? for getting rid of folks that woody dont want. agree, he has had a bit of a problem speaking french and duke. heh heh

By SalimFan

February 18, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

FOR THE RECORD MARVIN WILLIAMS IS A BEAST AND HE’S NOT GOING ANYWHERE ANYTIME SOON SO STOP COMPLAINING. HE WASN’T THE NMBER 2 PICK FOR NOTHING. BILLUPS WAS A HIGH PICK AND IT TOOK HIM FIVE YEARS BEFORE HE HIT HIS STRIDE.

RICK CARLISLE FOR HEAD COACH

By terrell barron

February 18, 2008 8:07 PM | Link to this

Chris Wilcox, Mike Miller, Pietrus? We’re just a couple of pieces away, BK. If we can add a vet or 2, by trading Zaza, Salim, or Solomon, or maybe even Marvin, you’ve gotta make that deal.

By Shasheeka X. McSanchez

February 18, 2008 8:30 PM | Link to this

**HEY GUYS I’M ShaSHEEKA X. McSANCHEZ

——- <3 ——- -ShaSheeka X. McSanchez

By SalimFan

February 18, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this

TB it’s hard to argue with you on that point but giving up marvin is going WAY over the top toget those players when we already have a quality inside present. I think francisco Elson with his expiring contract has a far better upside than those guys. He would also be easier for us to acquire.

By billy boy

February 18, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this

How about josh smith and joe johnson for mike miller and kyle lowry

By Stoned Mountain

February 18, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this

Heck, Sekou, I’d settle for a recycled Grant Long. Grant ain’t 6-10 but he was meaner than any 6-10 guy I know.

He ain’t beef, but how about some ham, Darvin Ham?

By cj

February 18, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

we need to trade the josh boys and Marvin. for Yao Ming.

By drmaryb

February 18, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this

Doc Baby,

Why so judgemental? It’s just dialogue, I like a good challenge. Perhaps some sensitivity classes would help you thin-skinned guys out some. Maybe, you’ve been on here so long, youv’e grown roots. Maybe time for a new outlook, maybe a change of scenery would do some good.

Maybe you could take a break, if you can’t handle “Grown Folks Blogging!”

Next, comment pleeaasse!

By richbrave

February 18, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

STONED MTN:

Darvin Hamm: Another former Wizard. No. I saw his game in D.C. Didn’t play in Detroit either. Still in the league?

By drmaryb

February 18, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

Hey RichBrave

I’m having a fine and dandy day…I don’t take the BLOG as seriously as some people do.

I really do have a life! This has been fun dialogue - I use it for entertainment purposes only! So everything on here is hilariously - funny to me. Especially, when people get emotionally involved with strangers and some irrelevent dialogue.

I mean really, what are talking about on here? It’s Just Sports!
That’s All!

By doc

February 18, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

drmaryb, heard of projection? do what you want babe. i will still be here.

By richbrave

February 18, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this

drmaryb:

O.K. mary. Thanks for the love.

By BA

February 18, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this

Hey people I got news for you Ben Wallace people: he makes a fortune(want to trade Joe for him?!) he already has a long contract and he brings you nothing on offense. We can’t trade a 1st round pick because we already traded it to phoenix for Joe. And he did not draft Shellhead instead of Paul, he drafted Marvin instead of Paul. Paul and Deron Williams are great, I agree. But Marvin is an exciting player, 20 and 10 waiting to happen. And Sekou, for the record, what DID happen to that Australian dude they drafted, I think in the secound round of the Smooth/Chills draft? And any word on Mike Miller? Maybe they don’t have anything left to trade for him? Is it ten thirty tomorrow night yet? I can’t wait to see this! DON’T TRADE MARVIN!

By robdawg06

February 18, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

This idiot still wants Ben Wallace or another rebounding force at center. Ever thought that maybe playing on a good team might inspire B.wallace to play like the former all-Star B. Wallace ? A change of scenery might work. The Hawks will get killed by every teams center that they face in the playoffs. Its the weak link now. Zaza gives great effort but he can’t matchup with Rasheed Wallace. the Hawks payroll is small compared to most teams. Only J.Johnson and now M.Bibby make big money. Many teams have 4 or 5 big contract players.

By mykhalc

February 18, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this

SalimFan had mentioned this earlier. looks like SALIM was on his way out. here is part of the Q&A quote from the SACBEE…

*Question: Why would they let a young talent like Justin Williams go?

Answer: First of all, he wasn’t a draft pick and just never seemed to earn the confidence of the coaching staff or the organization at large. As he showed in the Wednesday loss at Houston, he could always hit the boards (he had 12 in 23 minutes). Last season, Williams’ rebound-per-48-minute mark was an impressive 16.5. This year, it was 19.5. The other note of interest here is that I was told Williams was originally part of the Atlanta deal. The Kings would have received Salim Stoudamire (expiring contract for $783,000) in return and Williams would’ve been in a better setting, except for one hitch. Because he had signed a one-year deal for the minimum, he had the same right to block a trade that Devean George has. And because of the way that stipulation blocked the Dallas-New Jersey deal for Jason Kidd, there was fear of a repeat occurence in this trade. Eventually, Williams and Stoudamire were removed from the table because of it*

By mykhalc

February 18, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

SACBEE article

By stevo

February 18, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this

i think salimfan may be the single biggest retard i have ever seen on any blog site anywhere (ok, that has to be an exaggeration, because there is a lot of true dementia out there, but you get the point). the guy is 6’1”, with one streaky skill, a second round pick, and a guy who rides the pine for a reason. i don’t know if you are his cousin or something (but for some reason known only to god, he apparently has lots of cousins on this forum), but he is NOT GOOD. he will spend his entire career as the tenth or eleventh man on the bench and his highlight will be if he gets on the right (losing) team, hits his nitch, and plays 10 minutes a night or something for three or four years. he is NOT GOOD and you lose all credibility by trying to make him into something he is not.

By robdawg06

February 18, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this

Filling out the rest of the Hawks roster with career retreads from the D-league is pitiful. These are 10-day contract guys that you want to count on in the playoffs ? Unreal. Thanks for correcting me BA on the C.Paul draft. I can’t remember the great players he did pass over to select S. Williams that year in the draft. I’m sure it was many. You got the point about the pathetic moves the franchise has made overall. J.Smith was the only prize in all B. Knight’s drafts. M. Williams might be a consistent 20 ppg scorer in the future.

By mykhalc

February 18, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this

so maybe JUSTIN WILLIAMS is who still comes this way??!!?? 6’10” 260lbs

By Joe B

February 18, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

Krib made a good point. Elson from San Antonio is being shopped by the Spurs. I think Atlanta should make a play for him. A deal to consider might be Elson and Udoka from SA for Childress and West. I like what Udoka has shown in his short time with the Spurs and Elson gives Atlanta another big.

By hawksfan

February 18, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

Woody only uses like 8 players robdawg so i dont see how d league players are going to get any gametime anyhow.

By robdawg06

February 18, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

Remember Priest Lauderdale ? The “Project” that was from and now is back in the projects ? Lol.

By robdawg06

February 18, 2008 9:54 PM | Link to this

My bad, the Horford pick was grand too ! 2 for 12.

By robdawg06

February 18, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

If they want some 12th men they might want to consider Ballaholic,The Professor,and Spider from the AndOne team. At least there would be good entertainment while they lost games…

By robdawg06

February 18, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this

Great point Hawksfan. If you look at most games the Hawks lose the other team’s bench usually outscores the Hawks bench 2 to 1.

By Glutton for Punishment

February 18, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this

Hey richbrave Darvin Hamm is in the D-League

By jami$$ion

February 18, 2008 10:18 PM | Link to this

STEVO WHAT’S YOUR HATE ON SALIM 4! I actually watched this guy play. I am a arizona fan and Salim is the last link 2 the good Lue Olson teams.From Bibby 2 Gilbert,JT 2 Richard Jefferson .I remember when he beat josh chills Stanford teams. He is a good talent and if given proper time would be a good player.And 4 the record I’ll take salim 4 i’ll take marvin. Marvin ain’t show me sh!t in college,salim clutch and a winner.What Marvin clutch at fu(kingup! Get yo bball str8. The nba only has 2rounds,plus euros

By CTrim

February 18, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

The Nets got another Center, Diop, in the Kidd trade who is a beast @ 7’ and 280. Good rebounder and shot blocker. With NJ having Sean Williams, Magloire, Swift, Boone and Krstic able to play center, this might be a good opportunity to get a good player without jeopardizing the future.

Biedrins at Golden State is a nice player, but we would have to trade Marvin and take a chance that we couldn’t resign both Biedrins and JSmooth with Bibby and Joe’s contracts next year.

Sekou, any word if Bibby is happy about the trade? With all the talk about Mike playing in Cleveland with LeBron, could this be a disappointment? I haven’t seen an interview and I hope he sees the opportunity he has here in the Eastern Conference.

Good trade BK, now go hire Steve Smith as the coach and get this town even more excited!

By terrell barron

February 18, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

I can see Marvin averaging 20 points one day, but 10 rebs, I dont know about that.

By jami$$ion

February 18, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this

I remember chills and salim battling in the Pac 10 leading their teams I dont remember AI2 doing squat! And Deng was at Duke he had a team.While Marvin was on the bench,how does a pinerider be the number 2 pick in the draft I’ll never know?That doesn’t mean it’s right,while Arenas,Ginobli and Mike Redd are 2nd rounders,all of whom your precious Babcock could have drafted.O yeah Mike Robinson in NY a killer from the pac10.O He better than Marvin 2.

By Steve T

February 18, 2008 10:44 PM | Link to this

Everyone is saying that Horford is too small at 6-10, but “Big” Ben is only 6-9.

By Ken Strickland

February 18, 2008 11:27 PM | Link to this

It’s amusing to read comments that blamed BK for everything that’s wrong with the team and for not doing anything about it. Now that he’s done something, some are saying he didn’t do it by himself. I guess he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.

With Zaza and Solomon, we now have a good mix at the 5. Both are decent rebounders with Zaza being more OFF minded and Solomon being more DEF minded. We need someone off the bench to cover the PF spot. I hope Woodson gets over himself and gives Salim the time he deserves. I also hope Salim responds by rediscovering his shot and putting up the numbers he’s capable of. I want him to make Woodson look like the fool he’s been so far in this matter.

Now we have 2 starters that can handle the ball and create their own shot. There should be much less standing around, much better ball movement and more open shots. I can’t wait to see the effect all of this will have on Solomon and Acie’s performances. It makes a big difference in a players attitude and performance when he knows he’s going to get consistent mins and be counted on. GOOD LUCK TOMORROW NIGHT YOU HIGH FLYING HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By SalimFan

February 18, 2008 11:44 PM | Link to this

Jami$$ion I like the way you think.

And steveo Trying to bash me won’t change the fact that salim is one of the most prolific scorers in Arizona History. NOR will it change the faCt that NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD TRADE MARVIN WILLIAMS FOR KWAME BROWN, KYLE LOWLRY, OR MIKE MILLER FOR THAT MATTER. GET REAL MAN.

I guess there is a reason why BK has the GM job and YOU do not.If you walkedin to the hawks front office suggesing anything like the ……..forget that, even suggesting trading marvin at all would probably get you laughed at and thrown out of the building on your but right next to the trash that contains mike woodsen’s half-eaten doughnuts.

There are only a couple of third best sorers on any given team in team in the leauge that average as much as marvin does…..do the math buddy. HE’S NOT GOING ANYWHERE GUY. THAT SUGGESTION IS ALMOST AS BAD AS WHEN THE LAKERS TRADED CARON BUTLER FOR KWAME BROWN.

Did I also mention that salim is 6”1” and 180lbs. there are plenty of smaller guards who have gotten the jobe done in this leauge I don’t think he’s going to have a problem IF HE EVER GETS PLAYING TIME.

Maybe you should take your own advice and admit yourself into the looney bin for making such ridiculous trade suggestions.

I’d like to thank all my forum guests…Jim Rome Jr. is out

By terrell barron

February 18, 2008 11:52 PM | Link to this

Robdawg, you mean to tell me that you had to be corrected on which draft C.Paul was in? There’s no way in hell your’re a Hawks fan. And oh yeah, you forgot about Horford, Gasol, JJ, Bibby, Acie, Chill, Marvin, and Diaw. Their all good NBA players. I dont see a BUST in the group. Not a 1! They were all either drafted or traded for by ya boy Billy Knight. And yes, Sheldon was a mistake, but that mistake was corrected. Were lucky to be where we are with the ASG running the show. Give BK a break. If you want to b*** at somebody, try Woodson!

By terrell barron

February 18, 2008 11:52 PM | Link to this

Robdawg, you mean to tell me that you had to be corrected on which draft C.Paul was in? There’s no way in hell your’re a Hawks fan. And oh yeah, you forgot about Horford, Gasol, JJ, Bibby, Acie, Chill, Marvin, and Diaw. Their all good NBA players. I dont see a BUST in the group. Not a 1! They were all either drafted or traded for by ya boy Billy Knight. And yes, Sheldon was a mistake, but that mistake was corrected. We’re lucky to be where we are with the ASG running the show. Give BK a break. If you want to b*** at somebody, try Woodson!

By MannyT

February 18, 2008 11:52 PM | Link to this

mykhalc Your folks in Sactown have some serious youtube manlove for Bibby. The Hawks should just link to the SacBee blog for a few days.

No disrespect intended Sekou, but some of these folks seem to think they just lost their best friend.

As for all that Bibby’s an old 29 junk, was TLue a really young 30? How about AJ at 33? I know, the popcorn youthfulness of LoWright at 32 must have made BK stop in his tracks when this deal got close.

As for picking up a big, I think PJ Brown is quite happy being retired. If Dale Davis isn’t willing, is it too late to become part of the Kidd deal to peel off Diop. Otherwise, get the biggest shot blocking D-leaguer (or meanest dude that is at least Big Baby sized) and roll with it for 10 days.

By LAJ

February 18, 2008 11:53 PM | Link to this

Sekou, if it’s true Justin Williams was initially included in the trade are the Hawks considering claiming him off waivers?

By LAJ

February 18, 2008 11:59 PM | Link to this

Hopefully Bibby will have great influence on Salim since both are Arizona alumni.

By Dawgs

February 19, 2008 12:05 AM | Link to this

Latrece,

Are you handicap? Can you seriously suggest that we trade for O’neal? It isn’t going to happen. D.D. might just be the best we can pick up off the wire /dung heap. You seriously have to use your head to come up with a better non trade situation. We have no one left to trade that isn’t “core” except maybe Zaza and that would do more harm than good.

I hear everyone screaming our bench sucks now but honestly people… OUR bench sucked before the trade at least our starting 5 is pretty dang strong.

By smdh

February 19, 2008 12:06 AM | Link to this

Im guessing that richbrave and drmaryb are the same person. They usually post around the same time. comical

By ray

February 19, 2008 12:11 AM | Link to this

drmaryb, I

f you knew Doc in the least bit, you’d have known that he wasn’t being judgemental by any stretch of the imagination. He’s simply saying that what goes around comes around. You haven’t been here long enough for somebody to really get their teeth in you yet. And believe me, you’ll know it when it happens, heh!Not everybody’s going to make cyber-love to you like RichBrave. If you think everything’s hilariously silly and funny, then maybe you stumbled and giggled yourself into the wrong place. There are a lot of passionate Hawks fans (and basketball fans in general) here, and not all of us are strangers to each other. A lot of people choose to be passionate about this. If that seems silly absurd to you, like I said…you’re probably in the wrong spot. You sound like a person who walks into a “biker’s only” type of establishment and then are surprised that the people inside are really passionate about motorcycles.

And the “Grown Folks” comment? I’m really not hating on you here, but why in the devil would you come to a sports blog (let alone a blog about one specific team) and NOT expect to come across people who are passionate about both the team and the particular sport? You don’t exactly strike me as a model of maturity. You said it yourself “It’s Just Sports! That’s All!”. Exactly, a particular sport, a particular team. That’s all. Nothing else. Perhaps you were seeking something else. Whatever it is, you didn’t find it here, obviously. Or did you….

By ray

February 19, 2008 12:31 AM | Link to this

Robdawg, NO, NO, NO. If $60 million isn’t enought to get Ben Wallace to play consistently well in Chicago, then I don’t want him here. We have two guys who are playing much better and putting up superior numbers in comparison to Wallace: Josh Smith and Al Horford. Both are easily out-performing the once Big Ben. He looks more like Big Bum to me these days. Not to mention, we’d be giving up half the franchise or better to make salaries match. No way. I’d take Joakim Noah in a hot minute, though. I’d take Noah over Wallace any day. Wallace was fine when he was on steroids back in Detroit. Now he’s a reason to whack Paxson on the back of the head.

Mykhalc, read Sekou’s latest article on Bibby meeting the rest of his teammates. I like everything Bibby has to say. He wants to run, he wants to shoot, and he wants to feed the ball to your young stallions.

Equally as interesting is what Woody had to say. Yeah, you know I had to read that as well. Funny, Woody mentions the opportunities that will now be available for Salim and Solomon. Also, to hear him tell it straight out, he’s going to turn Bibby “loose.” Read the article, bro’. All I’m going to say is he better deliver. While I’m not prepared to completely believe yet that his cranial vault is removed from his rectal cavity…it would be interesting to see whether or not a damn good veteran pg is really the difference in his coaching system/philosophy. He’s saying he wants to take it to another level. Promises, promises. But if I can give BK credit for doing well, I can give Woodson…if he does well.

Also interesting was the comments from Michael Gearon Sr on Terrence Moore’s blog/article. I usually avoid his stuff like the plague, but here lately it’s been entertaining to watch him and Jeff Schultz write things that have been said on our blog days, weeks, and months prior to their even conceiving of the ideas. I’m wondering if this trade is one such example of the difference between having Bernie Mullin around or not. The owners did say they wanted to get more involved with the daily affairs. Conspiracy and conjecture perhaps, but one does wonder. One thing is more likely to be definite: the day Billy refused Belkin’s hand is the day he earned his spot. I figured he wasn’t going anywhere. Curious to see what he does next to round out the roster, and what he does with the Joshes this summer.

By ray

February 19, 2008 12:34 AM | Link to this

smdh, that occurred to me too. But one gets all mad at the very suggestion of it….you begin to wonder, is it a person getting mad, or just a personality getting mad? Heh, heh! I just couldn’t resist.

By mykhalc

February 19, 2008 1:35 AM | Link to this

BIG RAY, i was all over both articles too!! loved what BIBBY had to say and the fact that he took the lead IMMEDIATELY!! SMOOVE as funny sayin’ how he wasn’t used to the passes!!LOL watchout JS you might get hit in the face dude!!LOL

and i would love to be wrong from here and goin’ forward about our HC. i liked what he had to say in the articles as well. but like you said…promises, promises!!! he said he was gonna turn over the team for BIBBY to run, well have at it…coach???!!!! i’m awaitin’!!!

and RAY like i told DOC earlier, the game against GSW was ‘prime’ BIBBY!!! lightin’ it up like a ‘real’ player cherishin’ the moment down the stretch in the clutch!! SMOKIN’!!!

MannyT, yeah they are spreadin’ some serious luv for MB in SACTOWN!! most hated to see him leave!!! and that’s a great sign for the HAWKS!!!

i’m on the road tomorrow but NBALP on NBA.COM here i come!!!

By Melvin

February 19, 2008 2:14 AM | Link to this

CTrim, i agree with you. I think we should either try to make a trade with the Nets one of there bigs (Diop, Sean Williams, Magloire, Swift, Boone and Krstic) or wait to see if they will waive one of their big men after the JKidd trade. I think they will have over 16 players under contract if the lastest proposed trade goes thru.

By Professor

February 19, 2008 2:18 AM | Link to this

You guys might think I’m crazy, but why not bring back Kevin Willis for the rest of the season? He can still pull down rebounds and I hear he is in good shape. He didnt play that bad in his last stint here.

By Professor

February 19, 2008 2:32 AM | Link to this

What ever happened to that ineternational guy Cenk Akyol the Hawks drafted a couple of years ago? Couldn’t he come here and give them something? Is he still under contract with his team?

By mykhalc

February 19, 2008 3:04 AM | Link to this

why do i get the sense from Sekou’s article that JS is READY to be led!! we know he respects JJ and his game…HORFORD’s too…but for some reason i think BIBBY is gonna get thru to SMOOVE, help take his game to the next level. might just be me tho, eh???

By wordsmithtom

February 19, 2008 7:14 AM | Link to this

mykhalc, JS was willing to work last summer with a vet; why wouldn’t the vet leadership Bibby brings not be welcome. I like your thought here.

I also think asking Bibby about available bigs out west. He sees who’s playing and who’s not.

OT: Remember “Cattle” Car? When Antoine Carr was in Atlanta, people thought him too clumbsy. He only led Utah to a title. We need to find us a clumbsy young big who wants a chance.

Want NASTY? Sean Kemp can still play

By preston

February 19, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

I just read the piece on Bibby’s first practice with the Hawks yesterday, and it sounds like the atitude of the team has done a 360……even Woody and Knight seem to be eager to get things rolling now. Bibby was just what the hawks needed, and it will be very interesting to see how the perform out of the block with this trip…..again, I have to give credit to Knight and the Hawks for making this deal….I have ridiculed and blasted them like everyone else has, but this deal does make up for a lot…….p.s, and concerning the need for a big, how much can Dale Davis, or as some suggested Ben Wallace give us? If Davis can managed to block out and give us rebounds consistantly when he is put in games, I would take that, but Wallace isn’t even doing much of that in Chicago…..and they are ready to ship him and his 15.5 mil. contract out of there, and no team has been willing to bite.

By preston

February 19, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

and another thing concerning Ben Wallace is that he actually undersized for his position …..the guy is only like 6’7”, as he even admitted. http://ben-wallace-news.newslib.com/story/2522-3086815/

By terrell barron

February 19, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

Correction from 11 :52 post. They’re all good NBA players. Just in case someone is on the prowl.

By richbrave

February 19, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

PRESTON:

Closer to 6”6” actually. He’s undersized sorta’ like the round-mound of rebound from Auburn. And yes, eight years in the league with the $$$$, he’s not hungry as he once was with the Wiz and Detroit. But you don’t want to wake him up. Bring him to Atlanta and give him a mission to prove. He’ll give you an NBA title with all the other parts the Hawks now have. I’m an apologist for Wallace and dam$ed proud of it. He’s a great guy.

By stevo

February 19, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

i heard ben wallace was actually a dwarf and only 4’7”, but his hair made them measure him at 6’9”.

forget wallace. just block him completely from your mind (for age, salary, and production reasons - not height). 3 years ago, whatever his height is, he was definitely man enough to guard the middle. but that has changed, as it does for the best of us in our own varying ways.

and preston, a minor point for sure, but a 360 just brings you back to where you started. i think you were going for 180.

By Bertie

February 19, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

David Andersen, the Australian dude, is playing in Russia and Cent Akyol is playing in Europe (I think Turkey). Both can probably be counted for next year’s training camp but not this year, more likely Akyol who seems to want to try to make in the NBA.

Francisco Elson from the Spurs makes $3MM and unless the Spurs want Zaza, salaries will not match without including a core player which I would not do.

With Bibby on board I am expecting all our forwards to increase production, especially on the fast break and JJ with a little more space. I would not even discuss a trade this year involving any core players (JJ, Al, Marvin, AC or the Joshes) and also would plan on keeping them next year along with Bibby.

If available, pick up Justin Williams off waivers. He will add rebounding and defense inside off the bench with a low salary, as well as auditioning for next year’s team.

Before the trade I thought the hawks will win 1 of the 5 games in this tough road trip but now they can probably win 3 and consider it a good road trip and a good start to the Bibby era.

By preston

February 19, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

lol…..Stevo, you know what I meant though….the attitude of the team has changed dramatically. But saying 360, is kinda funny as I read it. I had just woke up minutes before I wrote that post. I am still trying to get the cobbwebs out of my head as I write this one.

By Ken Strickland

February 19, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

RAY-I read those comments as well. However, you repeated a comment by Woodson that stood out. I didn’t pickup it’s meaning until you repeated it. It was the statement he made about TURNING BIBBY LOOSE. That’s that controlling mentality of his at work. That’s like an admission he was controlling the play and tempo of our other PG’s. He’s now saying he won’t do that with Bibby.

I had him read correctly the 1st time, but I let that 5gm winning streak and players only meeting change my perception. It now appears certain players were tired of the way he was controlling and limiting the teams development. The players apparently decided to change the way he had them playing without his knowledge or consent. They had a 5gm run of success and Woodson was forced to go along with their success. But, the minute they hit a glitch, Woodson started reeling them in and regaining control. He started one quarter at a time. Then it became one half at a time. He allowed the players to get a lead playing their gm the 1st half. Then he’d slow everything down in the 2nd half trying to protect that lead, thus maintaining his need to control.

I totally misread everything that happened and I was totally wrong. I don’t trust Woodson and I can’t believe there are players that don’t feel the same. It’s pure irony that he now has to rely on 4 players(Salim, Solomon, Zaza and West) he buried deep on the bench. For West, Salim and Solomon, who’s received little to no playing time all season, it’s like starting the season over again. Instead of taking up where they left off, they have to try and catch up.

By robdawg06

February 19, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

Terrell, you are the ONLY Hawks fan here you know ? All the rest of us are just here to read your great blogs… The Hawks WILL NOT WIN without a power center. Mark my words… The championship teams all had/have great centers. R. Wallace in Detroit,T.Duncan in San Antonio,Shaq in Miami,Parish in Boston,Jabaar in L.A.,etc. The Hawks best center in their history was Moses Malone who was basically washed up when he came to Atlanta. Thats’ 40 years of basketball and only one decent center EVER. Enough said. Since we are entertaining bringing K.Willis back why not look up Wayne “Tree” Rollins ? Give me a break.

By robdawg06

February 19, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

Richbrave, you are a man that has some sense to know what the team needs like I do. When the playoffs come around (if the Hawks make it) the missing center will be spotlighted and then these other fans will say “Damn, we do need a good center to win.”

By Ken Strickland

February 19, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

ROBDAWG06-who was the power center that played with Jordan and the bulls? RWallace wasn’t the center on any of Detroit’s championship teams. FElson and NMohammad were the respective starting centers for the Spurs, not TDuncan who plays PF. Jabbar was as washed up with the Lakers, but still effective, as MMalone when he was with the Hawks. Since when did Bill Lambeer of the old BAD BOY Pistons become a power center? Was Dave Cowens or Hakeem the Dream considered Power Centers?

You might need a certain degree of power on your team to win a championship, but you don’t need a power center. History has proven that. The only true power centers I can think of that won NBA championships are WUnseld, WChamberland, MMalone, RMahorn and SOneal and maybe Parish.

By robdawg06

February 19, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Ken, even Bill Laimbeer,Luc Longley,and Greg Ostertag were big rebounders for good teams. I’m not asking for a Tim Duncan just a good rebounder that can score 10 points per game. So Jabaar was washed up with the Lakers ? You are crazy. He hook shotted and rebounded the Celtics to death. Hakeem and Ewing were power centers in my mind. Davis Robinson was great too. Name me the Hawks great center ? You can’t.

By drmaryb

February 19, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this

Hey Doc

Yawn!

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