AJC > Sports > Hawks > Blog > Archives > 2008 > February > 15 > Entry
DEL.ICIO.USTrade rumblings and Big Al shining
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
NEW ORLEANS - With a plethora of the things to blog about from the Crescent City on All-Star Weekend, leave it up to me to hit you with some scraps of what I’m hearing about the Hawks.
Yeah, those same Hawks you’re beefin’ with right now over that 0-4 slide heading into the ASW.
Word is they’ve got something brewing, a trade that could drastically change the look of this team heading into this week’s Western Conference road trip and beyond.
It wouldn’t be right to share details right now. Not with the particulars still somewhat murky and no deal officially done (what I can tell you is that not all the talent is heading to the Western Conference. Some of it might head East).
But if you come here anytime over the weekend, there will be updates. Seriously, I wouldn’t leave you hanging after this type of build up. And if the deal I’ve heard rumblings about doesn’t happen, I’m going break it down for you as well.
What I can tell you is this, after all the moaning and groaning that’s gone on around here over the Hawks sitting on their nest and not seeking out a spark to shake things up a bit, there appears to be a serious roster shake up on the horizon. And I mean SERIOUS!
Seriously, it’ll be worth checking in this weekend to see if the thing comes together.
Sights and sounds from the Big Easy on Friday:
Al Horford was the picture of efficiency in the Rookie Challenge, piling up 19 points and seven rebounds in just 21 minutes and 21 seconds of action. He shot a smooth 8-for-10 from the floor and handled his business. Very impressive. And there isn’t a person here who doesn’t think this kid will spend a few All-Star Weekends in the future in uniform. And Big Al was more than happy to represent for the city of Atlanta and the Hawks. “I think it helps just to get the name out there - the Atlanta Hawks organization,” he said of he and Joe Johnson’s obligation this weekend. “I’m very proud to represent it and so is Joe Johnson. I feel like coming to a game like this gives us confidence going into the second half of the season.”
Cleveland guard Daniel Gibson shot the lights out in the Sophomore’s 136-109 win. He was a stunning 11-for-20 from beyond the 3-point line (and 11-for-20 from the floor). It was insane. LeBron James wouldn’t sit down during the dazzling show, jumping to his feet every time Gibson drainer another shot. “Yeah, it was unbelievable,” Gibson said. “It was special. I never imagined. I never dreamed that I would come out and shoot the ball as well as I did in an environment and atmosphere like that. So right now I really don’t know what to say.” Hope he saved some of that mojo for Saturday’s 3-point shootout. But he wasn’t alone Friday. The second year guys shot a wicked 17-for-32 from deep, amazing even in a game where Horford and Paul Millsap were the only dudes even attempting to play defense.
The folks questioning Joe Johnson’s credentials as an All-Star better not ask his teammates here if they think he deserves it. They scoffed at the idea that he’s here on credit (he got shafted last year and wasn’t included until Jason Kidd got hurt and had to bow out) rather than merit. It was quite interesting the way they rallied to his defense when the questions (not necessarily from me but from other journalists, many from abroad) about whether he belonged cranked up.
As impressive, athletically, as some of these first and second year players looked, there has to be a better way to stage this type of game. I don’t have any fresh suggestions. But it’s getting uglier and uglier by the year. The rookies have lost six straight, and counting.
One last thing. Talk about putting your front office on the spot. Check out Carmelo Anthony’s response when asked (not by me, there was a swarm of journalists around every player during Friday’s media availability session) what he thought about all the trades taking place in the Western Conference? “I’m just waiting for my phone to ring and see what we are going to do,” he said. “The West is getting back to the way it used to be. The Western Conference race is tough right now even for us because we are in the ninth spot I think, so we are trying for eighth. It’s going to come down to the last game in the season I can tell you that. Every team in the West has a chance to make the playoffs”
Services »
Comments
By doc
February 15, 2008 11:54 PM | Link to this
does it include a three way coach trade of say flip to denver, karl to atlanta and woody to detroit? that involves the east and west.
richbrave i tried to answer your last question on the last blog in case you didnt look.
By Volman
February 15, 2008 11:54 PM | Link to this
Bibby to Atlanta! I want to see that!
By Tom Glavine
February 16, 2008 12:10 AM | Link to this
Suckers.
By Aaron
February 16, 2008 12:13 AM | Link to this
Sekou! I’d like to sleep at some point this weekend.
By JAMI$$ION
February 16, 2008 12:14 AM | Link to this
Sekou,what’s up?I’m like a kid waiting up all night b4 Christmas 2 steal my presents from Santa.I think we getting sam n kayman or bibby and miller.Sekou your key word was all the talent not going west some of the west talent coming here. I’ve also seen other sightings where i hear Woody’s might get canned 4 the roadtrip.Can u shine some light no this 4 us.And what’s up with this Carol trade is it still in the works?I’ll just hate 2 giveup Salim 4 him cuz Woody don’t like him personally we know he da truth
By cp
February 16, 2008 12:31 AM | Link to this
Great article SS. Great game Horford. As far as this trade, I hope it does not invole Josh Smith. The word SERIOUS has me kind of worried that it might. BK is not known as the kind of GM who gets the bettere end of a trade (not including the one time he got it right with Gasol) so making a big move is kind if scary. I know I have been one of the main guys saying we need a trade but with BK at the helm it is very very scary. I just hope when the dust settles that Josh Smith, Horford, and JJ are still here. I would be open to moving everyone else. Well I would like to see Acie get a real chance at playing before I rush to a judgment on the kid because I trully feel he has been held back by Wooody. I really hope that if we do make a move that we dont become another punchline of many many cruel jokes we have endured over the last 10 years or so.
By ray
February 16, 2008 12:33 AM | Link to this
SEKOU,
You da man! That’s what I was waiting to hear, and I hope it goes through, rather than it being another case of “well, we tried…but we couldn’t get anything done.” Hope it’s a smart deal, too. Like with all things, we’ll see.
Doc, now there’s a trade idea, heh heh!
RichBrave, you have to understand something: up until now, there’s been no trade news on the Hawks front. I’m tired of talking about the same things, tired of watching the same futile efforts of a team that is mis-managed and mismatched. Fact is, your internet romance with drmaryb turned into some kind of conspiracy theory is the most fun I can have…and it ain’t even that much fun. By the way, ASG stands for Atlanta Spirit Group (you know, the guys that own the Thrashers and Hawks).
To be honest, I can’t decide if your optimism and “patience preaching” is a product of ignorance or intentional koolaid drinking. Ignorance not being an insult, either. It’s just that most people who have been on this blog for the last 3+ years and have been following the Hawks closely….well, we’re none too satisfied with things that could’ve been much better by now. I would’nt go into all the details when you can simply archive it all. But hey, that’s just an opinion.
By Volman
February 16, 2008 12:39 AM | Link to this
Ray, what a good person you are!
I really hope that this trade is for Bibby (the rumor on the Internet)..
If we could get a BIG, too…WOW, I would be happy…maybe Diop?
Sekou, spill the beans! I need sleep!
By Sekou K. Smith
February 16, 2008 12:40 AM | Link to this
If the deal gets done the way it’s been detailed to me, the Hawks keep their core intact and add one of the pieces they’ve desperately needed.
Again, that’s if the deal gets done. And in the world of the NBA (New Jersey-Dallas is getting uglier by the minute), a deal has to be done before you (Hawks fans) can start celebrating.
By Volman
February 16, 2008 12:50 AM | Link to this
Exactly, Mr. Smith!!
I know we should not get TOO EXCITED around here… But from the sound of things, it looks like Bibby is coming to Atlanta.
How exciting is that…if the core could STAY INTACT?!?
Can the news come any sooner!?!? haha.
Thanks Mr. Smith!
By preston
February 16, 2008 12:54 AM | Link to this
As long as the word serious doesn’t include Joe Jonhson, Josh Smith, or even Josh Childress, he has been the one constant comming off the bench, and he is the type of role player that we need…..I know our top two picks from this yr are safe (I think our future should be invested in Acie), but everyone else, as far as I am concerned, can be left for the birds……………and would a major shakeup involve “Woody”?
By Aaron
February 16, 2008 1:03 AM | Link to this
I would gladly sacrifice Mr. Childress for a real PG.
By preston
February 16, 2008 1:04 AM | Link to this
Well, at least it is encouraging to hear that something major is about to happen here with the Hawks b/c something had to be done……..this team was on life support heading into the break, and was on the verge of collapsing, so we definately needed something to pump life back in us………and if Woody stays he better
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 1:05 AM | Link to this
Sekou, DAMN!!!!!LOL nice to at least know that the core will be kept intact!!!! allows me to sleep tonite!!!!
Aaron, well said man…classic
By Kenny
February 16, 2008 1:16 AM | Link to this
Well, if it is Bibby, I just worked out a deal on the ESPN trade machine where we get him for nothing but expiring contracts and Solomon Jones: since the Kings are rebuilding anyway, I’m sure they’d love the cap space.
Kings get: Tyronn Lue (1 year left) Salim Stoudamire (1 year left) Anthony Johnson (1 year left) Lorenzen Wright (1 year left) Solomon Jones (2 years left) Cap space for next year
Hawks get: Mike Bibby (2 years left)
Just one question though (maybe you can answer this Mr. Smith): is Bibby still good? I never get to see the Kings play so I can’t really make a fair judgment. From looking at his stats, though, his numbers are average…at best. However, “average” puts him light years ahead of our point guards, so I guess I don’t really have a point.
By Don!
February 16, 2008 1:18 AM | Link to this
Hmmm, I just hope this trade works out better than the last two trades the Hawks made to “rebuild” the franchise.
Danny Manning
Isiah Rider
Ouch, and OUCH!
At least it sounds like talent coming from the West, and that rules out us getting any of the Knicks that are available.
I hear Jarret Jack is available, but we need a big more than that. Bibby kind of falls in the same category.
Of course, what we give up is a concern. I’m wondering if Sheldon has any value, and what else we’d offer.
Ehh, we’ll find out soon enough. But I’m more in in hopes of a coaching change than a roster change to ‘fix’ this team.
Later,
Don!
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 1:20 AM | Link to this
cp, ditto on your post man. exactly how i feel also!!!
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 1:23 AM | Link to this
oh yeah, HORFORD is da man!! great showin’!! BARKLEY said, hands down ROY!!! people who know, know!!!!
By BosnianBaller
February 16, 2008 1:28 AM | Link to this
it’s either a big man or a point guard.elton brand maybe
By Kenny
February 16, 2008 1:31 AM | Link to this
Hmmmm…if we throw in Marvin and Shelden (or Marvin and Zaza), we can also get Ron Artest. Now THAT would be a huge trade! Anyone think the Kings would switch Artest for Duck and his “enormous” potential? Anyone think the Hawks (after being burned by Isaiah Rider) would roll the dice with Artest? Anyone else agree that our defense would probably be exponentially better with Artest at the SF spot? Only problem is we still wouldn’t have a shooter or a big…
By Tim Kawakami
February 16, 2008 1:34 AM | Link to this
My sources on the west coast agree with Sekou, this major trade involves a west coast team. I cannot give out the details, but lets just say they love to run and gun.
By LA Hawk
February 16, 2008 1:40 AM | Link to this
A team that can run and gun, huh?
Every time I see Eric Piatkowski stuck at the end of the Suns bench I wonder two things: can he still shoot? and how cheaply he could be had? Obviously he wouldn’t be a major factor in a trade like Sekou is talking about but he sure would be a nice throw in.
By #21=Top 50,1stBallot
February 16, 2008 1:47 AM | Link to this
Not to cross blog, but this has picked up my spirits in the wake of the Algernon waiving. I actually shook at the thought of losing Andruw, Algernon, and Smoov (though havent counted chickens yet) in the same year. Breath still bated to see what type of move we make.
If Bibby, I like the move, it allows Acie to develop and learn from a guard similar to himself (or former self) as well as allows the team to push for the season. I get to see him play the past couple years with League Pass and he would compliment well. Anyone who remembers those Kings playoff runs can tell you that he, not Webber, was the man making things happen throughout their battles with the Lakers. He can distribute well, but takes charge when needed. Plus we will have a pretty decent expiring contract once he’s done. Could be a solid move depending on what we surrender, but at least we wont be surrendering the season.
RISE UP
By Yoel
February 16, 2008 1:48 AM | Link to this
A west coast team that is a run and gun team hmm. Can you at least name the division the supposed team is in.
By Gawiccan86
February 16, 2008 1:53 AM | Link to this
As much as I would Hate to see my Beloved Sactown Kings lose a Great player like Bibby, the Hawks could use a Wonderful Point Guard. Bibby is VERY underated and will do WONDERS for the Hawks if/when a trade happens!
By JustTheFacts
February 16, 2008 1:56 AM | Link to this
Kawakami, is the trade with the Warriors? This suspense is killing me. Who do we get? Who do the Warriors get?
By mrprozach
February 16, 2008 1:56 AM | Link to this
Tim Kawakami, is that a trade to get someone from the recently depleted suns or is it possibly a piece from the Warriors, please God let it be Monta Ellis. So much for a restful ASW
By Ramon
February 16, 2008 1:57 AM | Link to this
How realistic would it be to not FIRE Woody, but TRADE him with Larry Drew on the bench? Let Woody stay as top assistant, and Drew run the show?
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 1:57 AM | Link to this
i gotta feelin’ the trade might involve my adpoted GSW!!???!! run and gun huh??? Sekou’s keyword to me was ‘desperately’. i don’t think PG falls into that category…IMHO??!!! shooter and BIG do tho!!! BIEDRINS, PIETRUS??? BIEDRINS would fall into the ‘serious’ category. a cat can dream right!!?? ok SS time’s up!!!
By ray
February 16, 2008 1:57 AM | Link to this
Sekou,
Have you ever caught a 300lb. bass? Well you have now….hook, line, and sinker. Of course, one does have to wonder exactly what is meant by “the core” of the team. After all, we do have different ideas about what the core means. Yes, I’m prying…I can’t help it. And I know you can’t answer that in detail right now because it just wouldn’t be right.
Kenny, I don’t see Artest coming here. Besides, we have Josh Smith. He plays plenty of defense and doesn’t have the head-case problems. Artest is hard to match as far as talent, but we’ve got a younger, more enthusiastic guy now. Besides, do we really need another forward? Artest coming here means you play Josh at the other forward and end up keeping Al at center. I still say Al at center isn’t the long-term answer.
Myk, are you as antsy-in-the-pantsy as I am?? I can hardly stand it!
Volman, why thank you my dear fellow…wait a minute…are you being sarcastic? LOL!
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 2:06 AM | Link to this
BIG RAY, you know i am!!! man cancel the all-star game or fast forward and let’s be there already!!!LOL
By ray
February 16, 2008 2:06 AM | Link to this
I honestly haven’t been following the sites that have all the trade rumors for the last day or two. So, I guess I’ve missed plenty. Is Bibby coming here truly the rumor right now? If it is, all I can say is wow. Fact is, Bibby can penetrate and shoot. We need that. And we need it from the pg position to take some pressure off of JJ. Bibby is a game-time performer. Any quarter, anytime, any shot.
#21=top 50,1st ballot, I hate spelling your name all the way out. And what in heck does it stand for anyway? Seriously, you absolutely nailed it on the Bibby comments. He was indeed the driving force during the more celebrated Sacramento Kings days a few years ago. Hell, L.A. didn’t know what to do with him at all….nobody did. I remember all the way back to him and Miles Simon playing for Arizona and taking the college title that one year. Hey, I’ll take him here, provided we don’t give up too much or the wrong thing. And yeah, I think the Kings are in rebuilding mode, or close to it. If that’s the case, they’ll build around Kevin Martin.
By JustTheFacts
February 16, 2008 2:08 AM | Link to this
Kawakami is a beat writer for the Warriors, which leads me to believe the trade involves the Warriors. Plus, you can’t really say the Kings are a run and gun team anymore. Definitely Warriors. Thing is, he said a “SERIOUS” trade. This implies far more than just Pietrus, who wants out of Oakland. Bottom line: They won’t trade Monta, Baron, Jackson or Beidrins. And he says Atlanta isn’t giving up their core. In the end, I don’t see it. Sekou is either exaggerating, or Kawakami (if it really is him), is yanking our chain.
By ray
February 16, 2008 2:10 AM | Link to this
Yeah Myk, I can see you have it as bad as I do…only I’m supposed to be working right now….heh heh heh. But I’m the boss at night…
By cp
February 16, 2008 2:19 AM | Link to this
mykhalc a trade with GS that would net us both Beidrins and Pietrus would be a great move. Beidrins could start at the 5 then we could move Horford to his natural position. I dont like Josh Smith at the 3 but I would take him there over Duck. I would then send Duck to Memphis for Mike Miller. We would ahve both Miller and Peitrus coming off the bench . Miller to spread the floor and Petrius to play good perimeter d. Im thinking we would have to give up both our scrub vet pg’s and maybe Childress in a deal. We would still need a pg to help Law. The Bibby rumor I dont like only because I dont feel Bibby is anywhere near what he once was. I mean he is better than what we have now but his contract is big and he seems to be injury prone now. It is so many posibilites that I dont know if i will be able to sleep until Monday gets here. BK IM BEGGING YOU NOT TO BE OUT SWINDLED AGAIN PLEASE PLEASE DONT GET SILLY AND GIVE UP TOO MUCH.
By Volman
February 16, 2008 2:20 AM | Link to this
Justthefacts, yep…Something isn’t adding up here.
Someone is not telling the truth!
By Volman
February 16, 2008 2:22 AM | Link to this
Ray, no way man! I’m speaking the truth!
By JustTheFacts
February 16, 2008 2:25 AM | Link to this
No way the Warriors are letting Biedrins go. He is their only legitimate inside presence.
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 2:42 AM | Link to this
yeah, i cannot imagine GSW tradin’ BIEDRINS either!! but i didn’t see SHAQ leavin’ MIA!!! could be PIETRUS and O’BYRANT for MARVIN and another body??!! PIETRUS would make us smaller tho. but with more outside shootin’ and a bit more athletic!!! plus he could give JJ some relief with CHILS still comin’ off the bench. ANDO might be right about O’BRYANT. gotta throw some things in the trade machine to see what works with GSW!!!
By ray
February 16, 2008 2:43 AM | Link to this
It would be fairly easy for anybody to yank our chains right about now. We’re like a school of pirhanas…so hungry…
Well, I’m not sure what team it is either. Who’s to say it doesn’t involve more than two teams. As for “run and gun”, many of the western teams have that type of offense. The difference is that not all of them are successful with it. You have to remember, memphis is a running team too. Unless Mike Miller is headed elsewhere, he could be the guy we’re aiming at. But as Doc has said, I wouldn’t balk at getting one of their young pgs, too. However, Sekou did say that it would be a serious change to our roster. So, I’ll rule out the addition of another unexperienced pg. If it comes from Memphis, it’s likely one of their forward/guards like Miller (I’d feel like we’d died and gone to heaven if it was Gay, but that ain’t happening).
If it’s Golden State, I have a hard time imagining either Ellis or Biedrins coming here. However, I’d welcome either or both. There are other teams though guys…we could be barking up all the wrong trees.
By mrprozach
February 16, 2008 2:51 AM | Link to this
Ray, if your right about the trade perhaps involving Miller, how about Kwame as a toss in?
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 3:04 AM | Link to this
BIG RAY, you are right…could be another team. but if the hints are legit then, to me, there are ONLY 2 run and gun teams…PHO and GSW!! ahhhhhhhh, DEN!!!!! make that 3!!
ok, here’s my first guess that works salary wise…MARVIN and SALIM to GSW for PIETRUS and O’BRYANT!!??? my only problem is i don’t think it classifies as ‘serious’. but then again MARVIN is our startin’ 3!!! this brings us a 2/3 with range and a ‘real’ BIG at 7’!! a little raw but i’ll take raw with ‘real’ size!!! plus he’d have JS and AH coverin’ his back!!!!
By ray
February 16, 2008 3:15 AM | Link to this
Myk, I really wonder about that. It could happen, although I also wonder if that does us any real good. Pietrus is a smaller forward, but a tougher defender who also has more range. O’bryant is worth a try, but there would be better ways to get him if you ask me. We value Marvin (as would Golden State) and they don’t value Pietrus or O’Bryant. I’d rather send more and get Biedrins. But that’s just me talking. All the same….having the cake, eating it too, you know…
mrprozach, I’d take Kwame. He’s better than some of what we got, and he’s the expiring contract. Which might actually mean that Memphis wouldn’t give him up unless we had something they could really use. They’d need a big from us. As far as I’m concerned, they can have Wright, Sheldon, or Pachulia. Pachulia’s not expensive and would give them some decent minutes. We’d have Kwame (who might continue to be a dog or might not) and his expiring contract. Problem is, when he’s gone we’re right back where we started: no center in there to help Horford and Smith out.
By Najeh Davenpoop
February 16, 2008 3:18 AM | Link to this
I honestly don’t see what the Warriors would be willing to give Atlanta without getting more than expiring contracts in return. They are contenders too, and if anything they would be looking for a big man… more importantly, they definitely won’t be giving up young talent like Ellis or Biedrins. A trade with the Kings or Grizzlies seems more likely since both are non-contenders looking for cap space and/or draft picks. After that Pau Gasol trade, if I was an NBA GM I would be on the phone 24/7 with Memphis to see if I could swindle them too. Acquiring a player like Bibby or Mike Miller without breaking up the core of this team or trading away young talent would be outstanding, and after the Gasol trade I wouldn’t rule anything out.
But this is Billy Knight, and this is the Atlanta Spirit Group, so I won’t hold my breath. If even a successful organization like the Mavs can screw up a trade that badly, imagine what Knight and ASG are capable of doing. Oh wait… we already know what happens when BK tries to get the ASG to agree on a major trade.
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 3:54 AM | Link to this
SEKOU, was the status on CHILS’ MRI???
By FaStRmAn
February 16, 2008 4:12 AM | Link to this
As a Kings Fan, I would welcome a trade that involved Bibby for some young bigs that have upside. We have stiffs at the PF position, and our guards are playing pretty well without Bibby. However, Bibby is making 13.5 this year and 14.5 next, so you would be trading alot of players off your roster for him. His shot is still great, and his handle and assists are still good. His defense has never been very good, which is why Reggie Theus is ready to ship him out. He benched Bibby in the last game before the ASW for not making an effort on D. Artest played to the end and almost single handedly won the game for us. Get that trade machine going !!! We got an Scoring PG and you have young bigs to trade !!!
By FaStRmAn
February 16, 2008 4:14 AM | Link to this
As a Kings Fan, I would welcome a trade that involved Bibby for some young bigs that have upside. We have stiffs at the PF position, and our guards are playing pretty well without Bibby. However, Bibby is making 13.5 this year and 14.5 next, so you would be trading alot of players off your roster for him. His shot is still great, and his handle and assists are still good. His defense has never been very good, which is why Reggie Theus is ready to ship him out. He benched Bibby in the last game before the ASW for not making an effort on D. Artest played to the end and almost single handedly won the game for us. Get that trade machine going !!! We got an Scoring PG and you have young bigs to trade !!!
By tb
February 16, 2008 4:23 AM | Link to this
Marvin for POB and Pietrus.
And you guys criticize BK? I might consider Chil for that deal, Marvin never.
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 4:36 AM | Link to this
tb, with MW’s mins PIETRUS could EASILY put up better numbers…EASILY!!!
By tb
February 16, 2008 6:37 AM | Link to this
Marvin is a 22 year old with big upside. Pietrus is what he is and he has never even approached Marvin’s 16/6.
I’d much rather have Watson and Petrus than POB and Pietrus. I’d want more for Marvin though.
By ray
February 16, 2008 7:16 AM | Link to this
tb, that’s all we’ve heard. Believe me, I like Marvin. I like Pietrus too.
Tell you something else: Pietrus is quicker laterally and when running the floor. Pietrus will finish (and draw the foul) in traffic. Pietrus will play defense. Am I saying Pietrus is better than Marvin? No. Pietrus plays 16.9 minutes per game. Marvin is getting about 36 per game. Back when Pietrus was getting about 26 minutes per game, he was producing 11.5ppg, 4.5rpg,.488 from the field, and .388 from 3-point range. And that was starting only 38 games and getting 10 minutes per game less than Marvin. Marvin starts every game. If you ask me, Pietrus doesn’t just have more range, he’s more dangerous at this point. Why? Predator instinct…which Marvin doesn’t have.
Also, the guy has played both forward spots for the Warriors at 6’6” and 215lbs. Marvin’s 16/6 isn’t bad, but it ain’t spectacular by a long shot. He gets all-star minutes. Give Pietrus minutes like this and see if production isn’t at least matched (if not exceeded). I guarantee he’s a better defender any day of the week.
Hell, Miami was trying like crazy to get him last year. They couldn’t, because the Warriors wanted more than Miami was offering? You think Ricky Davis was Miami’s first choice? Think again…Am I saying that this is a fair trade? No. Would I want more if we give up Marvin? Yes. But don’t knock Mikael Pietrus. Dude has some game, and I think he’s rather underrated. If you ask me, Marvin is what he is…
Also, pay attention to what people are saying when they mention the core of this team. Recall the words of the scout Sekou talked to. Look at what Joe Johnson had to say about who really drives and carries this team. He specifically mentioned Josh Smith and Al Horford when asked about Horford. Nobody is talking about Marvin Williams. Why? Because he has not established himself the way people kept looking for him to do. Has he done well? Yes. Second scoring option? Rarely. He’s not an actual threat, that’s the problem. Right now, I think his value is high, but not much higher than Childress. Compare the stats of the two. You’ll see what I mean.
By Disappointed Fan
February 16, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this
Listen, to date, this season has been dreadful. Two years ago everyone said Woodson had a young team. Last year everyone said the team was to young to gel and wait until next season. Well, next season is here and the team looks like it did three seasons ago. The bottom line is there needs to be a change on the bench… not players but coach. There also needs to be a change in the front office. That is why I have advocated leaving the team alone and go into the offseason to make major decisions. Excuse me, the only major decision I would make at this time, is to promote one of the bench coaches to better inspire this team to perform to its talent level on the floor.
By now, everyone should see that I am not a Woodson fan. This team has mad talent, up and down the roster. Hoewever, he doesn’t know how to effectively manage that talent. As a matter of fact, he is constantly getting into riffs with the players. You may see this with one player on another NBA team but not 3-4. That dictates that this coach does not have control in his locker room. If Woodson is retained, I have decided to forgo renewing my season tickets because it will demonstrate that ownership does not care about placing a quality product on the floor… Look at Woodson record.
By richbrave
February 16, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this
ray:
I am ignorant regarding the Hawks. doc pointed toward corporate ownership as the basis for the season of your discontent-the decade if you will. I personally believe corporations should be banned from ownership of sports franchises. Of course, then you have Abe Pollin and Ted Turner. Fans such as you and I pay money to see the end product of the ownership’s attempts to market their wares. I decided back in the ‘80’s to become more dispassionate about pro sports in general, and spend my currency(time) on my family. I now attend grandson’s games, college basketball, and see an occasional pro event(Braves AAA). Much less than when I was a young man.
I know this. If you want to get a corporation’s attention don’t show up. That affects the bottom line. And their response is to move - not change their approach to the game.
So I preach patience, and if the price of being a fan is too high for that find another venue to be passionate about. I haven’t always liked this approach because I am a passionate person, but its worked for me. So I stick with it. Good luck Ray. Find your inner peace buddy.
By Glutton for Punishment
February 16, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this
Heck… I would trade Marvin Williams for Mike Miller plus LW and his expiring contract. I dont consider Marvin to be part of the “core” with the Hawks. They need to spread the floor and Mike Millers can help them do that just like he did this past summer. Goodness… I will take almost anything. ‘Cause this team needs some kind of shake up !!!
By charlie
February 16, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this
A shooter or a big?
By charlie
February 16, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
A shooter or a big?
By Sekou K. Smith
February 16, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this
In this deal you don’t have to give up Marvin or Childress and Golden State has nothing to do with it. Overall, it’s a pretty sweet deal for the Hawks, who I’ve been writing for months have all the tools necessary to get a deal done. They have the expiring contracts and several young guys on deals that can be combined to net a quality player.
Still no final word yet, but as soon as I know it for sure, it’s going to be up here on ajc.com.
By doc
February 16, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
richbrave is it patience or long suffering? this franchise has been without a championship longer than all other teams in the nba except the kings! i have been a fan since 1957 and no rings. PATIENCE … YOU MEAN PATIENCE!!! i have long had PATIENCE. it is something else i am ready for. heh heh
By Josh
February 16, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this
Kirelinko to the Bulls, Ben Wallace to Hawks, Salim and expiring deals to Utah.
By doc
February 16, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
shooter
By smartguy
February 16, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this
Disappointed Fan, that was extremely well put. I have been trying to put those thoughts into words, but you did it better: to date, this season has been dreadful. Two years ago everyone said Woodson had a young team. Last year everyone said the team was to young to gel and wait until next season. Well, next season is here and the team looks like it did three seasons ago. The bottom line is there needs to be a change on the bench… not players but coach.
Bibby or Pietrus don’t do much for me. Mike Miller sounds good, but he plays the same position as JJ. Mike Bibby ain’t gonna do crap. This isn’t 2003, and taking on his salary for an additional year doesn’t seem like a good idea. Peitrus? Pass.
Mike Woodson is the problem, and replacing him is the solution. The best trade would be the Apathetic Spirit Group for Steve Belkin. Then we could get some people with a clue to run our favorite team.
By richbrave
February 16, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
doc:
Has it really been that long since the Hawks were in St. Louis? My, my, time flies. Looks like Sekou is trumpeting some trade. I hope its good for the club. I’m looking forward to more spirited contests between our two protagonistic franchises. And more exchanges with you my learned friend. Peace.
By Astro Joe
February 16, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
I’ll believe when I see the guy in a Hawks uniform. I’m guessing that we’re trading away Salim for a pair of sneakers once worn by Downtown Freddy Brown.
By cmill
February 16, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this
It would be great if this “serious roster shake up” involved the coach as well. Get him outta here !!
By Was it worth it?
February 16, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
And here’s a free one from me… something else is going to happen involving an NBA team and a basketball player.
Thanks for the nothing, Sekou.
By cheese
February 16, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this
if the hawks are only getting one player in the deal and giving up multiple players who could it be??? my guess is MIKE BIBBY. my other wildcard guess is JASON KIDD if the dallas/new jersey trade does not work, which it seems it wont. go get it done!!! and WOODY listen to everyone for once and let the team run, that is how the hawks are built to do! if you get a PG that can do it and you dont win games your the next one out.
By mississippi
February 16, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
Sekou,
I can tell you are dying to tell us. It’s been a long time since you commented twice in your own blog. And each time you keep getting a little closer to dropping the knowledge on us. I see Jack from Portland or Bibby or somebody we haven’t talked about. I have things to do today and waiting on this news is not one of them, but alas..
By John
February 16, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
NO MIKE BIBBY. That is trading for a PG just to make a trade. He is injured all of the time and when he plays he is nowhere near the player he was. I think I would be sick if we traded for him.
By clarkekent
February 16, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this
FIRE WOODSON
any trade is welcome as long as JJ, josh smith, josh childress, al horford and aice law are not included.
FIRE WOODSON
By honest_abe
February 16, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this
aj: too funny.
new pg possibly from out west? might be bibby a pg who can can pentrate and has range on his jumpshot, a guy who can and will push the ball? sounds too good to be true. still doesn’t solve the minor problem that the hawks have the worst coach in professional sports.
By richbrave
February 16, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
Jose Calderon??
By bravesfan79
February 16, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
Trade Marvin For Jarred Jack!!
Or get Crinnention!! GT will be back next year!!
By Glutton for Punishment
February 16, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this
It needs to be MIKE MILLER not Bibby. 4 reasons why 1. 8 million per yr vs 16 million (it will be easier to give up Marvin plus 2 expiring contracts) 2. Miller is a better 3 pt shooter (by far !!) Miller’s 3 pt stats: 314-617 .509% Bibby = 24-61 .393% 3. Miller is 3 years younger.. 4. Miller gets 3.6 assist and 6.6 rebounds / game to Bibby’s 5 assist and 3.7 rebounds….
NO BRAINER !!!!
By frank
February 16, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
ATL DESERVES A BREAK EVERYTHING HAS GONE WRONG THAT CAN SINCE THE HUMAN HIGH LITE SHOW. GOD LUCK ON THE POSSIBLE TRADES BREWING TO SAVE THIS FRANCISE IT GOTTA BE BIG.
By B.S
February 16, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
I’m sorry to break the bad news to everyone but Sekou is full of it on this report. I’m very in tune with the NBA rumorville especially on the west coast, are there are NO trade runblings coming from Atlanta. So don’t get your hopes up this one. Bibby will not be a Hawk anytime soon.
By Steve
February 16, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this
Sekou and all the other Hawkamaniacs on this board,
If it involves players from the West, please please please tell me that the players involved are on this list:
Seattle - Watson & Swift Sacramento - Bibby &/or Hawes &/or Udrih NO - Pargo & West Dallas - Dampier &/or Diop & Barea Houston - Battier &/or Francis &/or Mike James &/or Steve Novak San Antonio - Bonner & Ellison (No way SA makes a trade) Memphis - Jason Collins &/or Kyle Lowry &/or Mike Miller Minnesota - Foye or Telfair Utah - Korver &/or Fesenko &/or Kirilenko
These are certainly not in order of preference, and I don’t know if any of them work. All I did was go through the rosters and pick out guys I think the Hawks have pieces to trade for, and guys that could in some way help the team.
I don’t really see some of the contenders making deals (Utah and San Antonio…and I guess New Orleans come to mind), and I also don’t see Dallas willing to make a trade for expiring contracts because they’re a team that wants to win now.
So we’ll see what happens. I just hope the players come from that list…or are better.
Just for my opinion - I think the Memphis deal is best - getting Lowry and Miller maybe? Not sure what we’d have to give up, but those two are needed in Hawkville. Sacramento and Houston are two other teams I’d be interested in - Houston seems like they have a lot to offer (just throwing that out there).
By jp
February 16, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this
Sekou, you’re killing us. Just tell us one of the big stars we “might” be getting. That’s all I want to know. Is it Bibby? Is it Brand or Kaman?
I’m off the Bibby bandwagon, I just don’t think he’s as good as he use to be. I’d rather see Brand or Kaman here.
By Astro Joe
February 16, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
Bibby certainly fits the mode of dribble to half-court and pass it off to someone else. He certainly is more of a play finisher than initiator. But then again, in our offense, there isn’t much to initiate. Bibby is a younger and better version of Lue. Dribble, dribble some more and then shoot a long distance shot. Assuming he doesn’t opt out of his contract in the summer (which he probably won’t), then he will have a large expiring contract headed into the ‘08-09 season. And one thing we have learned is that blockbuster trades require at least 1 guy with a fat expiring deal. That’s why I support getting Wally S. because he would give us a shooter now and a $13M expiring deal next year… the best of both worlds. If we get Bibby, watch our often stagnant half-court offense become an on-court version of watching paint dry.
By honest_abe
February 16, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this
don’t sell bibby short. i think you surround him with some good players and he’s one of the better pg’s in the league. i’m not his biggest fan but he’s light years better than any of the current pgs the hawks have and will make this team move up to at least a 5th playoff seed.
By Kappy
February 16, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
Astro Joe I think you are wrong about Bibby. He’s much more helpful both in transition and in the halfcourt than you give him credit for. Plus, he can knock down a 3. I see no downside in this, especially if we’re not giving up any of the core.
My question is this, how can BK/Spirit bring on 13-14 mil in payroll by only getting rid of expiring contracts. But, they will also need to fork over some $ for Smoove and Chil this offseason. Seems like a lot of weight to bring on given the current situation with the Spirit. Its a shame i even have to bring this up. But it wouldn’t shock me if this trade doesnt get done based on the finanacials. Spirit…I hate you. Please go away.
By Frank
February 16, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
Fox Sports radio reported last night that the Hawks and Kings had a deal in place that would send Shelden, Salim and fillers to Sactown for Bibby. I just hope one of those fillers is not ACIE LAW.
By Ra'mon
February 16, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
Honest, I love your outlook. And it has promise. However, with Woody still calling the plays, I don’t see them jumping 4 spots. Woody’s offense would’ve made the Dream Team find away to lose 2 games.
By Kappy
February 16, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
I just remembered something. Javaris Crittendon or Kyle Lowry is a major trading piece for the Grizzlies that they MUST get rid of NOW.
One of those and a big HAS to be the deal.
By Ra'mon
February 16, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this
Honest, I love your outlook. And it has promise. However, with Woody still calling the plays, I don’t see them jumping 4 spots. Woody’s offense would’ve made the Dream Team find away to lose 2 games.
By Kappy
February 16, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this
I just did some research. Guess what GM originally drafted Mike Bibby second in the 1998 draft?
By Boris Diaw
February 16, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
Tirez Billy et Woody. I put my pubic hair on their bath soap and my ear wax in their coffee.
By Boris Diaw
February 16, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
Tirez Billy et Woody. I put my pubic hair on their bath soap and my ear wax in their coffee.
By I.MUS WRITE
February 16, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this
How helpful will this trade be? If we are keeping our core intact-JJ,JS,Horford,Acie and we are’nt involving Chillz and Marvin who do we have left.
Solomon,Sheldon,Salim,Tlue,Aj- Come on what are we going to get in return for these guyz-Answer: not much.
I’ll believe it when its on sports center….. right now those crickets are chirping louder than ever.
Please dont bring Bibby here,if we are going to spend that kinda money make a play for Calderon M.Miller for the last time-get it done
By Glutton for Punishment
February 16, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this
Utah’s has won 12 out of their last 13 games since they got Kover from the 76ers and their Okur came back from injury. Why did they win so much.. ‘cause they could spread the floor… 3 pt shooting. The Hawks are in LAST PLACE IN THE NBA!!! We should have gotten Kover with his 4.5 million dollor contract. !!
By JSmoove
February 16, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
Come on Sekou tell us something. I am bored over this All Star break after somehow not being invited to participate this year. I am sick of having to rescue the team with my three point shooting. Hopefully this trade adds someone who can shoot threes like me. I’m on the team and I dont even know the trade, come on Sekou you got to tell us.
By A.S.
February 16, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
“Fox Sports radio reported last night that the Hawks and Kings had a deal in place that would send Shelden, Salim and fillers to Sactown for Bibby. I just hope one of those fillers is not ACIE LAW.”
I would definitely take that deal if I were the Hawks. We do not utilize Salim or Shelden. Now Shelden may not have been the best draft pick, but I see him being a solid sixth-man on another team who needs a defensive presence. He will put up about 8PPG and 6-8RPG. Not great but solid. Salim on the other hand was never utilized here properly. He is a good sixth-man on a team who needs a…shooter. Salim should average 10PPG and 2-4 APG as a sixth man. The reason the Hawks do not use either of these players is because they have Chilldress. Josh is solid defense and offense.
By St. Bernard
February 16, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this
I remember debating Camby or Amare last year.
By JohnGTFan
February 16, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this
I think it has to be Bibby or a deal with Memphis. I guess we’ll either find out soon, or we’ll hear from our man Sekou about what “could have been”…that’s the one I’m most afraid of…Atlanta’s theme…”What could have been”
By Glutton for Punishment
February 16, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this
I just looked closely at Marvin’s 3 pt attempts and %… 1-6 .167 OMG !!! What “PROFESSIONAL” SF that plays 35 mins a game has those type of numbers?? TRADE HIM. Make him part of the trade.
Plus when he goes to the basket he has the ball high up, like he is gonna jump over the defenders, but he does not get high enough and his shot gets stuffed right back in his face. To many times he goes for an uncontested dunk, only to start his leap to far away and the ball meet the rim and bounce off…
By St. Bernard
February 16, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
A.S., I’m for putting Salim in the deal, but for a team that needs a shooter desperately, it is rather strange he can’t get even a few minutes
By bob
February 16, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this
Ehhh who cares? When does football start back up?
By St. Bernard
February 16, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
What would you guys think of Lowry, Miller, Johnson, Smith, and Horford starting with Marvin, Chilz, and Zaza coming off the bench?
By Glutton for Punishment
February 16, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this
If it is Bibby then it would have to MUCH more than just Salim and Shelden. The numbers don’t add up. It is gonna have to be:
T.Lue = 3.5 million Salim Stoudamire = .7 Shelden Williams = 3.1 Lorenzen Wright = 3.25 million Anthony Johnson = 2.8
Total = 13.35 million
Bibby = 13.5 million
By smartguy
February 16, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
BIIBY SUCKS. TERRIBLE TRADE. ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS WITH WOODY STILL AS HEAD COACH. Maybe I’ve been wrong to defend BK? This would be an absolutely FRUITLESS TRADE.
By Volman
February 16, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
st. Bernard, where is Law?
By St. Bernard
February 16, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this
Glutton, Anthony Johnson isn’t required.
By WPL
February 16, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this
How many years does Bibby have left on his contract?
He’d give us a shooter and PG — both things we need.
By CP
February 16, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this
As long as Anthony Johnson is in the deal I dont care who we get in return!
By JohnGTFan
February 16, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this
Sekou
Quick question…what do you define at Atlanta’s “core”? My definition is certainly different than others. I look at Atlanta’s core players as JJ, Horford, J. Smith, and possibly Chills (would hate to see him go).
By hoopinion
February 16, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this
Bibby might not add much more than a win over the remaining season (on his own, keeping Woodson from playing 3 point guards in the first 10 minutes or burying Acie Law IV on the bench may have residual value), his field goal percentage went down and his turnovers went up last year and they’ve both stayed there the little he’s played this year.
But, if the Hawks can turn trash into Bibby and then Bibby’s expiring contract next year into a good player next year (and, of course, re-sign Smith and Childress and hire a good coach this summer) then 2009-10 could be something special.
By Clyde
February 16, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this
FIRE BILLY AND WOODY
By fanoffalcons
February 16, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this
the trades will involve CLEVELAND, they majorly need an overall too and are looking for help for Lebron
By tb
February 16, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this
Since we’re under the cap, I think we only need to be within 25% of their salary.
Andre Miller is out-performing Bibby, but Bibby has been injured and is playing on a team about to be torn apart.
Might prefere Miller, but Bibby is right up there. I take him for Shelden/Salim/expirings.
By Steve
February 16, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
I can’t stand all this push for a trade.
Look folks, we are going NOWHERE in the playoffs this year even if we make them. Why are we in such a rush to dump all these expiring contracts to get some cast-a-way from another team (which is exactly what we will get). It’s absolutely nuts how gung-ho you people are to trade the BIGGEST commodity in the NBA (expiring contracts) for rubbish.
How about this tactic instead. Keep those expiring contracts, don’t resign the losers in the bunch. Save your money to resign JSmith (we will need a bunch) and then try to go after something decent in free agency, rather than an injury prone PG or a bench warmer for a West Coast team that looks good for a few minutes per game.
Sacrificing our future to try to win something this year is ridiculous.
By will
February 16, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
I just say Fire Mike Woodson. As long as he’s the coach no matter what the talent level we’ll just be a mediocre team (at best). As for Steve Belkin, he’s a know nothing too please judge get him outta here. Maybe if his suit goes away the Spirit Group can move forward.
By atlflavor
February 16, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
well its a done deal. Thought shelden was in it but looks aj lue and lo wright. In just happy they trying to improve.
By Sekou
February 16, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this
Sekou,
You are so wrong to leave us hanging with the possiblity of a Hawks blockbuster trade.
I will check this site regurally this weekend. I welcome a trade. What the Hawks are doing is not working, and what the Hawks have on the roster is not working.
By Vinnie
February 16, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this
Sekou,
You are so wrong by leaving us hanging with the possiblity of a Hawks blockbuster trade.
I will check this site regurally this weekend. I welcome a trade. What the Hawks are doing is not working, and what the Hawks have on the roster is not working.
By Ken Strickland
February 16, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
If MBibby is all we have to look forward to in a trade, it’s not going to be much of a trade. AJohnson avg’s 4.7APG and JJ avg’s 5.2APG to Bibby’s 5.0APG. He’s more of a shooter than a facilitating PG. As shooting PG’s go, we could do just as well with Salim if we could get Woodson to get over himself. However, I wouldn’t be disappointed if we acquired him.
I still think acquiring a PG like Bibby would encourage Woodson to fall deeper into his comfort zone(slow down half court OFF). I believe getting a shooter with size and a DEF minded 5 would help us more than getting another PG. I believe Zaza will be included in the trade. If so, I’m certain it will involve acquiring another BIG.
At any rate, there will be some excitement added to the blogs as well as the team, hopefully. Woodson might find a way to mess this up too.
By hoopinion
February 16, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
Steve, one expiring contract is a valuable commodity, a bunch of small ones aren’t near as valuable. Also, who will be decent and affordable in free agency this year. There are a lot of good potential free agents for the summer of ‘09 when Bibby’s contract would come off the books.
That being said, I wouldn’t be upset if the Hawks stayed pat. I’ve expected them to be unable to trade their trash for anything decent (and see above, I don’t think Bibby will make much of a difference). The biggest change that needs to be made is the head coach, but it’s clear that Woodson will keep his job until his contract expires.
By honest_abe
February 16, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this
if you look at some of the successful streches the hawks have had its been when they get some pretty good production out of the pg spot. either aj or lue steps up and puts up 15-20 points and adds a few assists on top. the problem is neither pg or acie has given the hawks any level of consistency. bibby’s #’s are down this year but put him in the east with some athletic thoroughbreds and the outlook is bright.
one of the hawks biggest problems besides the coaching is being able to make a basket late in the 4th quarter. with bibby you finally have another option besides jj that is able and has a history of being able to close out a game. i think it would do wonders for this team.
i remember when gasol trades came up all people could do is look at the negatives. the fact is he’s a versatile “big” who could’ve helped the hawks tremendously. i see the same from bibby.
beggars can’t be choosers.
By nbrans
February 16, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this
Just expirings for Bibby isn’t going to do much for the Kings because clearing only his salary isn’t going to get the Kings under the cap this year, and he expires next year anyway. The only way a Bibby deal would make sense for the Kings would be:
1) if the Hawks gave up Childress, Law or some other valuable young player (and I wouldn’t include Sheldon Williams and/or Salim in that category)
2) if the Hawks took on Kenny Thomas’ salary as well
3) if the Hawks include picks. But since they can’t give their 1st Rounder this year or next year we’re talking 2010, and that’s kind of far off.
Most logical deals would be Childress and expirings for Bibby or all the Hawks’ loose change for Bibby and Thomas.
By BosnianBaller
February 16, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
It’s bibby for sure.sacramento reported it in their newspaper.i think he can opt out after this year.we also need a center.should get a seperate deal for diop in dallas
By Joe
February 16, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
Josh Smith for Mike Conley, straight up. It works on the trade machine. We get the PG we have been needing and free up some future salary cap.
By Crazy Diamond
February 16, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this
Will Steve Belkin approve the trade?
By I.MUS WRITE
February 16, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
Marvin/AJ/Sheldon/Salim
to Dallas for
Devin Harris/Diop
Since the kidd deal is all but blown lets try to get two nice peices that fit.
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
BIG RAY, thanks for layin’ down the PIETRUS law man!! well said and the real deal about him too!! cat can ball…PERIOD!! the emergence of MONTA has cut his minutes big time. but it’s no doubt, that if given big mins, the cat produces. smokin’ post, beginnin’ to end bro!! it’s a shame he’s NOT headed to ATL!!
and as many have said already, with WOODSON STILL HC…why make a move and will ANY move really matter??? the cat is CLUELESS!!!!! send WOODSON to the freakin’ D-league where HE can develop!!!!
SEKOU, thanks for at least throwin’ us a bone on it not involvin’ GSW. still waitin’!!!
By JackB1
February 16, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
SEKOU…Where there any rumblings about the Hawks getting rid of Woodson? Now THAT would really be something to get excited about! Also does this deal involve us just getting one player (Bibby?) or multiple players? Hopefully leaving will be T.Lue and or Zaza. That would make the deal so much sweeter :)
By Volman
February 16, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this
Myk, I think you might have missed the silver lining here if this trade involves some combination of Zaza, Lorenzen, or Shelden.
Solomon Jones gets playing time.
Why am I saying this? It’s obvious… The Hawks will not have a lot of depth with their bigs, and this is the perfect time for Solomon Jones to come in and get a little burn out there.
Woody, throw him out there and see if he can produce!
By smartguy
February 16, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this
Steve Belkin currently has NO say over what the Apathetic Spirit Group does. His original victory was overturned, and that lifted all the restrictions he had. The only excuse for the Apathetic Spirit Group is themselves. They are running things (either directly or indirectly), just ask Bernie ‘bout that.
An idiot coach that has cost us more games, but still has their support, is all I need to know about their intelligence, expectations, basketball IQ, and bank accounts. The ASG is just plain pitiful.
By thecamera
February 16, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
a watched blog never boils
By jw
February 16, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
how about the Jason Kidd thing blowing up completely and magically we get him? Could be a pipe dream that might happen! That wouldn’t be too bad, now would it!
Let’s make this rumor go!
By Volman
February 16, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this
My thing is this:
Does anyone remember what Steve Nash going to Phx did?
Now don’t get me wrong, Bibby is not Nash. I just would not be surprised if he changes this team like Nash did.. Hey, it could happen.
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this
i can see it now, BIBBY crosses half-court and immediately gives up the ball to JJ. well at least he’ll learn the playbook, correct that, ‘play’ with no problem!!!
By DNo
February 16, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
OK, SS, I’m waiting…..
By Disappointed Fan
February 16, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
I am caught between the proverbial rock and hard place. If a trade for Bibby is made and the team makes it to the playoffs, then my fear is Woodson will have appeared as being the catalyst for turning the team around. Everyone will forget these numbers 90W - 205L .305 winning percentage. Listen, even with the potential of sub .500 teams making it to the Eastern Conference playoffs, he still can’t get us in position. Any other franchise, any other sport, any other planet - this coach is gone!
By Najeh Davenpoop
February 16, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
Bibby can do two things that our current PGs can’t do — he can shoot from long range and he can penetrate a defense. The real question is, will Woodson be intelligent enough to design an offense that lets Bibby be the playmaker he was five years ago, or will he continue running the “dump it to Joe” offense? Ultimately it lies on Woodson to work any new players into the rotation, and that’s not a good sign.
I’m still not gonna hold my breath that this deal gets done. Which co-owner is gonna disagree and sue the rest of the team this time around?
By honest_abe
February 16, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this
volman: i see what you’re saying and i totally agree.
By Kappy
February 16, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this
OK, after a morning of thought, I’m all for the Bibby deal. This team needs several things, but PG play and an occasional 3 are things that Bibby can bring to the table that we need desperately.
Do the deal BK.
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this
BIBBY can still shoot it, no doubt. watched him against somebody last week, GSW maybe, anyway he was hittin’ BIG shots down the stretch. still has that big shot, killer instinct!!!
not sure how i feel about any trade with WOODSON still at HC!!!!
By Atlgriot
February 16, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
I don’t want ANY TRADES until MIKE WOODSON is FIRED… FIRE MIKE WOODSON FIRE MIKE WOODSON
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
VOLMAN, you know i’m all for SOLO gettin’ some PT. but WOODSON takes ALL my excitement away!!!
By MarvinStinksWilliams
February 16, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this
Get rid of marvin “we shouldn’t have drafted him anyways” for a young talented point guard and a 1st round for next year.. Marvin you are so inconsistent, it’s pathetic we took you over paul and williams.. PATHETIC.. YOU STINK..
By cp
February 16, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this
Yea it would make sense to keep our expiring contracts and have money for free agents and but it is one problem, nobody wants to come here. We have to improve through the draft and trades that just how it goes when you have been a terrible team for so long. I really dont like the Bibby trade. I mean he is better than what we have now but I would rather snag Mike Miller and Kyle Lowry. We get a guy in Miller who can play some sg and sf and knock down the 3 and can also create for others. Lowry is a quick pg with some nice defense. I would send them Marvin and Sheldon for that pacakge and maybe one of their future first round picks. Watching Rudy Gay last night made me remember a blog from somebody on here. It might have been Ando. He basically said every year there is this cant miss sf in the draft and he did not understand taking Marvin when Rudy Gay was right behind him and might end up better. Well Rudy Gay is a lot better. Im done with that give Marvin some time he will develop. I was being a homer because its obvious to me the kid just does not have it. In his second year Rudy Gay is doing all the thigns I thought Marvin would be able to do. Gay was always thought of to be too passive coming out of college. Well it looks like he figured it out I dont know If Marvin ever will. I really hope this trade benefits us and not some silly move like aquring AJ for a second rounder.
By Volman
February 16, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this
Abe, you always seem to say the truth!
I completely agree with you when we look at the Hawks’ good victories and the relation with point guard play.
If our PG’s are not showing up, then this team struggles.
Bibby can fix that, I think.
By Richie Rich
February 16, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this
CP, Marvin and Rudy were drafted in 2 different years.
By preston
February 16, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this
Am I the only one that has a sinking feeling in my heart that believes that if we package Salim in a deal, we probaly see him play more and light it up for another team……….we never saw Diaw or Ivey in any meaningingful role here, but as soon as they got their chance to play consistently elsewhere, they look like all-stars, (at least compared to how they looked here)………Salim was being wasted here anyway, so if he does leave, I wish him luck.
By JSmoove
February 16, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this
What about Luke Ridnour, Chris Wilcox and Wally Szerbiack(sp?). This gives us the pg to push to uptempo, a good 3pt threat and an interior body as well. No one seems to be mentioning this possible trade
By JSmoove
February 16, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this
What about Luke Ridnour, Chris Wilcox and Wally Szerbiack(sp?). This gives us the pg to push to uptempo, a good 3pt threat and an interior body as well. No one seems to be mentioning this possible trade
By MannyT
February 16, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this
Until there is a confirmed deal w/o a D. George hook, I’ll wait and reserve judgment.
I do like the fact that Sekou says the core stays in tact.
If all this is true, I once again say that BK is far better than PB ever was as far as drafts and trades.
With due respect to Bill Parcells, the key question is can Woody do something with the new groceries that BK is about to get?
By I.MUS WRITE
February 16, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
Marvin 2005,
R.GAY,Roy,Sheldon 2006
I think you are confusing Marvin and Sheldon
By hoopinion
February 16, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this
SacBee has a story up.
By preston
February 16, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this
I know Sekou is gonna hate me for this, but the person that said that it was being reported by the sacramento papers that a deal between the Hawks and the kings involving Bibby is true……..http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/717681.html
By jami$$ion
February 16, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this
I’VE BEEN READING THERE POSTS AND REMAINING QUIET, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE 2 TELL MOST OF YALL.STOP B!TCHING!!U GUYS BEG 4 A MOVE& THEN SH!T ALL ON IT.Y ?U ATLANTA CATS HATE ON YOSELF! i like bibby,yes his numbers r low but so were gasols, bad teams a do it 2 u. see randy moss his numbers in oakland were horrible 4 several seasons, but i knew once he went 2 newengland he’ll be back.So chill we’ll get better one player at a time.And please stop there ridiculous trade JS 4 CONLEY BS. THAT IS ABSURD STUPIDITY.
By Adam
February 16, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this
Looks like the Bibby deal is about done. Just reported in the Sacramento Bee.
The Kings have reached an agreement in principle to send veteran guard Mike Bibby to the Atlanta Hawks for guards Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue and forwards Lorenzen Wright and Sheldon Williams, sources told The Bee on Saturday.
Start the discussing. An end of era is near for atleast Sacto.
By I.MUS WRITE
February 16, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
Preston if Salim is shipped out of Atlanta i promise you that he will put up atleast 15 a game given xtended minutes.
I think he can be alot better than what we have seen. The guy barely plays and when he does, he is put in a situation where he always has to jack up shots because we are way behind. Coming off the bench cold hoist up 3 shots and back to the pine……. how the hell can u get your game together being used like that you know what: never mind a trade I dont know if it will help
Ferrari with a 4 cylinder engine -recipe for disaster…….. Coach and team
Iz Woody’s deal up after this year -I though it wuz???
By nbrans
February 16, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
Sacramento Bee says done deal. Bibby for A. Johnson, Lue, S. Williams, Wright.
http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/717681.html
By DepressedinSac
February 16, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
It’s official: Bibby for Lue/Johnson/Wright/Shelden… BOOOOOO!
By Kenny
February 16, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
[Sigh] A lot of you have voiced my biggest concern with making a big trade (and, thus, increasing our chances of making the playoffs): we’ll have to keep Woodson. Very (and I mean VERY) few GM’s are bold enough to fire any coach after a playoff season. By making a blockbuster trade, we may be inadvertently saving Woodson’s job…and, THAT, my friends, would be a travesty. Here’s the problem with Woodson: basketball, much like hockey and soccer, is a free-flowing sport with very few natural breaks in the action. This means it relies much more on team chemistry and players feeding off one another than most other sports. Because of this, a coach absolutely HAS to give his players defined minutes in defined roles. That’s the only way a team can have any semblance of chemistry. It’s no accident that elite NBA teams often win more than one championship and become dynasties: it’s all about chemistry. Once a team finds a group of players that work well together, they become very difficult to beat…and multiple championships ( or deep playoff runs at least) often follow. This is why elite teams usually stay elite until their GM breaks up their core. Unfortunately for the Hawks, with coaches like Woodson on the bench (yanking players around, arbitrarily giving playing time one week and not giving it the next, putting in fifteen different lineups every game), a team CANNOT develop any chemistry: it’s impossible. We badly need a coach that understands how much the Hawks need a stable rotation…and Woodson’s simply not it.
By Dan
February 16, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
Sacramento Bee says Bibby for AJ, Lue, Lorenzen and Shelden has been agreed to in principle.
http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/717681.html
By blonde d**
February 16, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
i would rather have smooth over wilcox, ridnour is a good pg,but Wally is overpaid for his production
By preston
February 16, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
Wow….it even looks like Salim stays…
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
i’m more excited about the FALCONS cuts and possible continued cuts than i am about any established vet comin’ in to play under WOODSON!!! man, he just flat out sucks as a HC…PERIOD!!!
By WPL
February 16, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this
http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/717681.html
Can’t make us worse. Should make us better. How much better, I don’t know.
I believe the core of this team is: JJ, JSmith, Horford. I think Marvin is good, but can afford to trade him. For the most part, he only brings points into the equation and many nights he doesn’t even bring those. If we can get a young big or great shooter/scorer for him, then do it.
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this
SAC BEE article
By Jay
February 16, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this
Good trade for the hawks. If Bibby doesnt work out we’ll have a huge expiring to trade next year. Lorenzen Wright is not a loss at all, neither is AJ. Shelden cant even get into the games, and Lue is streaky.
By preston
February 16, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this
If this deal is true, this will be one of the sweetest deals I have ever witnessed for this city……we have kept more than our core intact, we really have a group of young, athletic guys…..to keep our starting 5 and Solo, Chills, and Salim is a steal……..I am very impressed and pumped now!! Woody…..you are next……you better man up, and bring your “A” game, or this city is going to crucify you….BK has been given a brief stay of execution, but we are still watching him too.
By randy
February 16, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this
SWEET!!! I told you Bibby sure would look nice in a Hawks uniform. I can’t wait.
By St. Bernard
February 16, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this
This is big if it actually goes through. And you guys are nuts. Bibby is a shooter and a pg! This is good. Now use Salim to get a big and we’re set.
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this
WOODSON will bring BIBBY off the bench and play him at the 3!!!!
By cheese
February 16, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
bibby seems to be a true player!!! aparently he has fathered a ton of kids by several women in the sacramento area. local fans say he is not a role model due to this. LOL.
By honest_abe
February 16, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this
seriously fellas, we all know what the hawks deficiencies are. they have no pg, no center (horford would be better at 4) and no coach. but to say you don’t want to improve one area because the others will still be bad is a dumb way to look at things. no doubt i’d rather have a new coach, but having a smart pg sometimes can actually alleviate some coaching deficiencies. now that is seems like bibby is on the way here. it’s time to take the next few steps. i say let’s trade marvin, zaza, salim for kaman? one can dream? now there’s a lineup that could actually contend in the east. bibby, jj, jsmith, horford, kaman.
and then of course FIRE WOODY!
By Johnay
February 16, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
I live about an hour from Sacramento and am a huge Hawks fan. This is a steal for us. Bibby did earn his huge contract on 1 huge playoff run but he is a legitimate perimeter threat the Hawks lack. He is very bad defensively but plays well in the uptempo style, which I think the Hawks should be playing more. To give up 4 backup players, including the worst lottery pick ever S. Williams I say playoffs here we come.
By preston
February 16, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
mykhalc-lol…….dude you are killng everybody talking like that….”WOODSON will bring BIBBY off the bench and play him at the 3!!!!”…….lol!!…..oh man quit scaring us like that!
By randy
February 16, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this
It isn’t being reported on any major sports sites yet. Sure hope it goes through.
By preston
February 16, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this
Johnay- worst lottery pick ever?………..how about Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan!!!
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this
no doubt JJ’s life just got easier!!
By thecamera
February 16, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this
randy -
it has been on foxsports.com for at least 30 mins
By Adam
February 16, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
Being a Kings fan I can truthfully say Happy Birthday ATL. You just got one of the best gifts in the NBA. I am becoming more and more confused after this trade. What did the Kings actually get?? Can a Hawk fan answer me?? Our biggest need is and still is PF. How does this even help us?? Unless they decide to buy out Shelden. Bibby will be huge for you next year being an expiring contract.Congrats guys. There is no room for argument on your side. You got the much much much better side of this deal.
By hawksfan
February 16, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
Why hasnt espn put it on their site, they keep on talking about the kid deal.
By will
February 16, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
Okay BK got us a PG (maybe), now can you fire WOODSON. Short of that hopefully with a PG that understands uptempo b’ball we’ll see a little more of the speed and ability in our young Hawks.
By Jeremy
February 16, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
NO BRAINER!!
THIS IS SWEET!!
HOPE IT GETS DONE!!
Billy Knight, you are earning some credos from me if you trade away the mistake of picking Shelden.
Sure beats anything Pete Babcock would have ever done!
Go HAWKS!
snivlem
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this
preston, but i know ya feel what i’m sayin’ tho!!!LOL
By randy
February 16, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this
Yea, I see it on foxsports now. Not confirmed yet though.
By hawksfan
February 16, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this
I agree mykhalc jj’s life just got a whole lot easier.
By preston
February 16, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this
Adam - you got two veteran point guards, and two power forwards, one being a former first rounder……..if you want more we will throw in some soda, and a bag of chips…..happy now?
By preston
February 16, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this
oops my bad…..YOU GOT TWO FORMER FIRST ROUNDERS IN SHELDON AND LORENZEN!!!!!!
By hawksfan
February 16, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this
Wow, sekou i thought you were white…http://www.nba.com/hawks/photogallery/2008AllStarWeekendGallery.html?curPhoto=12
By Volman
February 16, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this
Whoever had that 11:54 PM post last night was really smart!! haha!
This trade really boosts this team I think into the playoffs.
By Najeh Davenpoop
February 16, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
Has there ever been a white guy named Sekou in the history of the human race?
Great trade, by the way. Not even a draft pick going to Sacramento, just expiring contracts and Shelden Williams. This almost (not quite) makes up for picking Shelden over Brandon Roy.
By hawksfan
February 16, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
You know what i would really hate….If after bk has gone through to get us a vet pg and mike woodson blows up the whole thing by giving it to jj vs the entire oppossing team. Why can we fire mike woodson. I already know that thats going to happen.
By randy
February 16, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this
Its on ESPN now: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3249180
By WPL
February 16, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this
It’s on ESPN
By randy
February 16, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this
This is great. Anyone know the status on Chills?
By mrprozach
February 16, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this
I think trading away two bigs may be BK’s way of forcing Woody into using a smaller more athletic lineup that will lead to more of a run and gun style. Now if Horford gets in foul trouble we can put in Zaza or go with Smoove at the 5 and Chill at the 4that would lead to a lot of run ‘n gun style ball.
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this
Adam, SAC gets $10 mil in expirin’ contracts and one and half years to see if SHELDEN is the 4 they are/were lookin’ for. the cat was not a #5 pick nor is he as bad a player as his PT under WOODSON suggests!!! when you try to understand our situation in ATL pls start with the premise that our HC belongs in the D-league or better yet the ‘outta the league’!!!! he flat out sucks, has one play in his playbook, doesn’t understand game substitutions, and he still doesn’t even know what position SHELDEN PLAYS for that matter!!! i’ll send BIBBY back if you send us THEUS!!!!
By preston
February 16, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this
The suspense is over……..Sekou has finnaly made it official on the AJC!!!!!!!!!! Just go to the home page.
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this
Najeh, classic.LOL
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this
VOLMAN, you called it early bro. glad to see those classes payin’ off!!LOL
By j
February 16, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this
It’s on ESPN, SacBee, Fox Sports, but not here. Aside from all 12 of us Hawkaddicted sorts who have spent their Saturday trolling the blog. This seems to be an amazing trade given what we are not giving up. Hopefully the spacing will be better.
By ron
February 16, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
good trade to get rid of dead weights especially shelden williams another overrated duke alum who ends up sitting at the end of the bench.his claim to fame so far is dating miss parker of the ut vols basketball team.other than that he hasn’t done much.
By DarkRyder
February 16, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
DarkRyder is….intrigued….We’ve lost two big guys who weren’t really in Woodson’t rotation to begin with. Do I see a running offense in our future?
Until Tuesday I’m going to hold off judgement.
By DEKATURKINGZ
February 16, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this
Thank God! Now let’s make the playoffs and kick sum azz. The Hawks are back!
By rainman
February 16, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this
welcome to the league mr night. Now its time for mr woodson to prove his worth.All in all guys we just made the playoffs and maybe a little more. SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By randy
February 16, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
After a week off, I can finally go back to watching the Hawks. My boycott of them is over. Finally management has gained some of my trust. They have a long ways to go for so many years of bad decisions, but this is a start.
By Volman
February 16, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
Myk, my big thing is that we are going to be able to see Solomon Jones play.
I am excited. Get the fella out there!
By randy
February 16, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
mykhal, LOL. Bibby will probably hate Woodson after a week and refuse to play. THERE IS NO EXCUSE NOT TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS NOW! MAKE IT HAPPEN!
By Adam
February 16, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this
Thanks mykhalc. Makes me feel a little better. So Shelden isn’t that big of a dissapointment everyone is making him out to be?? I should be happy for the deal ?? This is actually a decent trade both teams?? You get the PG you needed to put you in the playoffs and we possibly got a starting PF for next year along with almost enough cao off to be under the luxury tax?? I am just glad Bibby wasn’t trade within the Pacific.
By HB Ando
February 16, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
Wow. The team just got more built to run, which will further expose Woody’s ill-fit with the roster that we have. I’m sure they’ll give him the rest of the season to see if he can lead them to the transition style that this team will have to employ, give it’s new makeup.
Folks here have doubted his ability to do that for some time. Adding Bibby will either prove those folks right, or give Woody the chance to show what he can do with a top-PG making the decisions.
I think Woody will fail. I also think Bibby has lost a step. But clearing the deadwood to get a Bibby was a no-brainer.
Pretty simple equation, with the further weakened East: let these cats run, and they may just jet into the playoffs; Woody (re: sloooowww) them down, and they’ll go no where and leave folks asking a lot of questions about what needs to be fixed next.
At least they’ll be more interesting to watch…..
By cp
February 16, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this
Richie Rich and Imus i know it was 2 different drafts. What i was saying is that Marvin was not the cant miss player at his position because the next year Rudy Gay was talked about the same way and has already out performed Marvin. I know it was 2 different drafts though. My only point was that people were saying how good Marvin was going to be at his position and etc and yet a year later the same thing was being spoken about Gay who is wayyyy better than Marvin despite Gay being in the League a year less. Honestly although I dont think Bibby is the same player he once was he still is better than what we had and we gave up a bunch of nothing for him. Great trade in that aspect.
By preston
February 16, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this
I agree randy…..we have been able to compete with a patched-up group of PG’s, but we have just upgraded our team, and there are no excuses………we now have a bona-fide PG to run this team….. and now we get to see what we have in Acie…this trade has just put him as our no 1 option off of the bench as PG…..and also this should mean more time for Salim……..I am real excited for those guys.
By ray
February 16, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this
Guys,
I don’t see this deal doing anything but helping us. A few simple facts: Salim, Sheldon, and Wright don’t play anyhow. There’s no use getting worked up over what Salim might do on another team. He isn’t and would continue to not be utilized here. So let him go! He’s also not a pg (never will be if you ask me), so he didn’t fill that void. Sheldon was getting nowhere. Mike Bibby is a veteran pg who is better and deadlier by far than the average. Not only that, but the guy can shoot…from long range, no less. What have we been needing besides a pg and center? A shooter. Another leader type who can take and make shots…particularly in the 4th quarter when we need it most. We filled two needs with one player.
Honest Abe, I think you’re looking at this better than most are. And I think you’re right. Bibby just about has to salivate at the prospect of running with guys like the Joshes, Big Al, JJ, and Marvin. I’ll bet JJ can feel the pressure beginning to melt away already…
Volman, astute observation my dear fellow. Solomon’s minutes will indeed increase, and for more than one reason. Horford remains the starter at center, with Josh Smith at pf. The only other bigs left will be Zaza and Solomon. Pachulia will be playing mostly back-up to big Al. Big minutes for Solomon…and a chance to make Bk look good for drafting him.
Speaking of BK, I’ll say this officially. If this deal gets consummated, I have to give him credit. We don’t lose the best guys we have, we get a damn good veteran pg/offensive threat, and we let go of pieces that didn’t fit/weren’t being used. Sign another big and perhaps a guy like Matt Carroll, and BK looks smart.
Mykhalc, thanks man. You know me, if I can get some facts behind an idea, I’m gonna throw it down hard!
By Adam
February 16, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this
Apparently the Kings received your second rounder this year as well. This was an average trade for me atleasst. Am I happy about this trade? not really. Am I going to assasinate Petrie? Not really.
The Kings now have about 18 million coming off the books at the end of the season, and this is without a Thomas or SAR trade. There are so many goof FA this offseason, so you can’t really say how this trade did for at least another 6 months. Hey, at least the Kings get AJ back, I loved that guy.
By randy
February 16, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this
Volman,
How is this trade gonna get Soloman playing time? None of the bigs we got rid of were getting playing time so how would that affect his PT?
By kreedham
February 16, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this
OK we’re getting 1 for 4. That means the bench is 3 short. Now I know we don’t have to have 3 more but I would think we would need 1 or 2 more. Who are we gonna get to rid the pines?
By randy
February 16, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
Adam,
I have seen these kind of trades before. Actually many times in Atlanta. It is called starting over.
By Harry Hawk
February 16, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this
ray,
Salim’s not in the deal. That makes this trade even better. It’s three old guys and Shelden for Bibby.
By ray
February 16, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this
Ando, agreed.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: good and great players expose coaches…for good or for ill. We know Woodson isn’t the right fit here. The addition of a talented veteran pg will either continue to prove Woodson’s ineptitude or help him to be a better coach. As sour as it sounds, I’m betting that the former is going to happen, rather than the latter.
And while Bibby may have lost a step, he’s still several steps ahead of Lue and AJ. It’s as simple as that. I know one thing he’s not lost: his shot.
By preston
February 16, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
Ray- Salim stays….he is not included in this deal…..at least that is not what I have read.
By Johnay
February 16, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
Preston, I know I was exaggerating, but Shelden was an awful pick. He was the epitome of just a good college player. Too small to play center and not athletic at all to play F. Now he can’t even hit the 16 footers he hit at Duke. And in the NBA you dont get those joke of a charge calls he used to get at Duke. It was made worse cuz the Hawks didn’t work anybody else out and passed on Roy…..Anyways this is a steal. Bibby can get them in the playoffs and help bring Law along. They need to get out and run now. Living in Cali can everyone tell me the problems with Woodson. Seems like every player has gotten into it with him. I think he’s done an OK job but if it comes down to him or Josh Smith than he has to go.
By Ra'mon
February 16, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
What NO one has stated is the 4 for 1 deal that leads to possible free agent signings NOW.
Sekou, who is a good free agent now, you think the Hawks should look into acquiring with the open roster spots now? I may be wrong, but I think another good shooter, or decent front court help can be found still in the free agent market.
By randy
February 16, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
ray,
WTF are you talking about?? Shelden and Wright weren’t getting playing time, so how does getting rid of them get him playing time. I don’t understand you.
By randy
February 16, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this
ray,
Salim isn’t one of the 4 being traded.
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this
Adam, WOODSON is clueless…PERIOD!!! SHELDEN has been a disappointment under WOODSON but there have ONLY been 5 players that HAVE NOT been…JS, JJ, JC, MW, and AH. for all others, it’s pretty fair to say some HAVE NOT gotten a fair shake…includin’ SHELDEN, regardless of how anyone feels about where he was drafted.
look no further than DIAW and IVEY as examples of what happens once they leave WOODSON!!
i think SHELDEN can provide 10 pts, 8 rebs in 20+ mins. and he’s had a couple/few games in ATL (end of last season) where he provided 20pts 10rebs. while he won’t floor you with anythin’, at least now he’ll get a good, consistent look from a smart coach!!!
By randy
February 16, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this
kreedham,
I was just thinking that myself. Probably bring us some scrubs from our D-league.
By kreedham
February 16, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this
Woody has never consistanlty utilze the bench more than three deep at the most anyway……his biggest contributor off the bench is J-Chills, whom is still with us……..Lorenzen and S.Williams were sparingly used……Zaza will make up the bulk of minutes there with Solo seeing the court a little more too…..Acie and Salim are now comming off of the bench behind Bibby, so there was no drop off there either by losing AJ and Tlue…..so we really didn’t lose much of anything by the 4 for 1 swap.
By Volman
February 16, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this
Randy, Josh Smith and Horford are not going to play 48 minutes a game. There is NO WAY.
Who is going to go in for Horford? We’ll say Zaza. Who is in for Smoove? The only other big that this team has no is Solomon Jones. Hey, atleast the Hawks can say they tried with Jones even if it doesn’t work.
By Adam
February 16, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this
OK the final details are coming out now. I am a little happier with this deal. Kings get the Hawks’ 2nd round this year. Great more traid bait. They are saying all four of the incoming Hawk players have expiring contracts. Is this true?? I thought Shelden had one more deal for next year??
By preston
February 16, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this
Mykhalc- I have to agree with you…..although I like this deal, and I am very excited, it will be interesting to see what Sheldon in particular will do now that he may be given more time to play.
By blonde d**
February 16, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this
Adam-you guyz got two old point guards an undersized power forward-Sheldon=6’7 -unathletic guy with bad hands
Lo Wright -is the worlds tallest practical joker… and he’s garbage on the court by the way
By Nookah
February 16, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this
OK guys the consensus seems to be that we should all be pumped and the future seems bright. In the words of Obama….Change is coming…..yes we can.
However, something may still be amiss. One part of Sekou’s post is still not addressed…
…… (what I can tell you is that not all the talent is heading to the Western Conference. Some of it might head East).
What does that mean? Does it mean we are not yet done dealing? Could we get the big man elsewhere? I really do hope so. We need that defensive presence in the middle to spell Al.
Your thoughts anyone?
Nuff respect!!!
GO HAWKS!!!!!
By randy
February 16, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this
Yea, I think Shelden will become a decent PF. But since we got Horford, we had absolutely no use for him. Really, it was a win-win for the Hawks. They clear out deadwood that they don’t have to pay anymore and finally get their PG even though it took them 4 years. Now if we could just figure out how to get rid of Claxton. LOL
GOOO HAWKS!!
By cp
February 16, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this
Well at least we got rid of Sheldon “brick hands, cement feet” Williams. Ty “pound the ball” Lue. Anthony ” Rick Ross Jr” Johnson and Lo ” i rather play jokes on people ” Wright. We gave up a bunch of nothing for a legit pg who can hit the 3. If we still dont run and run and run then I dont know what more evidence this front office will need to get rid of Mike “Gregg Knapp” Woodson. I wonder if we can Justin Williams from the Kings too.
By preston
February 16, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this
kreedham- sorry dude, I put you name in the wrong place on the blog at 5:04pm…….I was trying to respond to your previous post at 4:47pm….just got ahead of myself…but it was posted by me, Preston
By randy
February 16, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this
I guess that goes to show…If you throw in enough trash, you can sometimes get a diamond.
By randy
February 16, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this
Adam,
Shelden has one more year after this season. But he probably isn’t making that much still playing on his rookie contract. Who knows, he may actally turn out to be a keeper. He just had no place on our team, but had moments where he shined.
By ray
February 16, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this
preston, thanks, that was a mistake/typo. I don’t know why I kept thinking Salim was going. Maybe I’m thinking too far ahead on other movement options…I’d say it’s good that he’ll stay, since he, Childress, and West are the only guard options off the bench after Acie, but that still doesn’t guarantee him some PT. In some ways, I think Chill still eats a lot of PT at the SG position, but he will also do so at the SF position. It may end up being more PT for Salim in the long run, especially if we run-and-shoot more. We’ll see..
*Randy, calm down. With only two bigs on the bench, you *know where any minutes not played by Horford and Smith are going. Shelden and Wright were hardly playing, it’s true, but they were getting some minutes. Pachulia ended up on the bench for a reason. Several reasons to be exact. Smith and Horford will need breathers from time to time. On top of that, you have to sit them if/when they get into foul trouble. So, your only options are Solomon and Pachulia. Would I look at getting another big in free agency for cheap? Of course. But until then, who else do you turn to for size? Besides, if Pachulia keeps playing like he has, you can either play Al and Josh for 48 damn minutes a game, or you can give Solomon some burn.
I’ll say it one more time: with Sheldon and Lorenzen gone, you only have TWO frontcourt options on the bench right now. One of them is not very athletic and has hardly played well at all for quite some time. I don’t see what’s so difficult to understand.
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this
now if BK really wants to make my day, make this happen…
ZAZA and SALIM to GSW for PIETRUS and O’BRYANT…works in trade machine!!!
By ron
February 16, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this
what i like about the trade is that atlanta did not have to part with any of the nucleus of the team.they get a veteran to run the point and someone the younger players can learn from.bibby is playoff tested remember the playoff battles he and webber had with shaq & koby.he’s been around and still has some value left.atlanta should consider themselves fortunate because i’m sure that some of the upper echelon teams would love to have him especially the spurs with the injuries they are having with parker at the point.
By doc
February 16, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this
essentially shels for bibby. i’ll take it in a heart beat.
nice job bk, if it goes through.
i really dont care what shels does going forward. it is a closed book. we have bibby for as long as we would have shels and he was NEVER going to get play time once horford arrived on the scene. guys no looking back if bibby stays healthy.
now how about marvin for miller? could it be worked within the framework of salaries. does one of these guys dealt get bought out and come back? stay tuned.
By randy
February 16, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this
Volman,
I have nothing against Soloman and I hope he does well if he gets PT. But Woody isn’t exactly the type of coach who utilizes his bench. What I believe will happen is this:
Zaza will play half the game as Center. Horford will alternate, playing the majority of his minutes as center and maybe like 10 minutes as PF. That will allow Josh a 10 minute break. Or they can go small with Zaza/Horford at Center, and Marvin, Chills at forwards.
In either case Soloman still rides the bench. Knowing Woody this is what will happen. Soloman may play like the last 50 seconds of the 2nd quarter if he does go in.
By Tokyo Tom
February 16, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this
Another PG from Univ of Arizona? Should have just kept Jason Terry around…
By Patrick
February 16, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this
My question is, do the Hawks make any more moves after this? Or are they done dealing?
By randy
February 16, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this
I agree Ray, but I am not bashing Soloman. I am with you. But we are talking about Woody here. My point is Soloman may get some trash time , maybe like one minute a game probably at the end of the half or if Zaza/Horford get in early foul trouble.
Other than that, I doubt he will get a “burn”.
By ray
February 16, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this
Randy, I also did not say that Solomon was going to get major minutes. Zaza is getting the chance now to perform in a role he’s more suited for. If he doesn’t do it, watch Solomon’s spot duty at both center and pf increase. If neither is particularly effective (or Solomon doesn’t make decent progress), then expect even more small-ball. Basically, that means Chill will come in a lot at the 3, which will slide Marvin to the 4 if he’s in the game at the same time. If Horford is out, then either Solomon or Zaza will be at the 5 spot.
In the end, I honestly think it would be smart to pick up another “big” for the bench as an option. However, with enough playing time, Solomon might prove that it’s not as needed as we think it is right now.
Volman, precisely what I was trying to say.
As for Sheldon, he will have a new beginning and a chance to prove that he can contribute in this league. We’ve seen that he can produce in a few isolated situations. Watching him play (when he did play) still makes me wonder just how much of a contributor he’ll turn out to be. It’s clear that he got mis-coached by Woodson. He was never worth a #5 pick, though. And he’s not that athletic. I think my pal Myk is a bit generous in suggesting that he’ll produce 12/8 when given 20+ minutes, but who knows. The question is this: will he be able to convince anyone that he deserves that much playing time? I mean, in Sac-town Brad Miller and Abdur-Rahim are starters. On the bench you have 7-footer Mikki Moore (better and bigger than Sheldon), Kenny Thomas (same size-but more aggressive when healthy), and rookies Justin Williams and Spencer Hawes. At least he won’t have to worry about Lorenzen Wright. He’ll be busy filling Hawes’ and Williams’ vehicles with pumpkin seeds, raisins, or granola…or something equally ridiculous…
By randy
February 16, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this
One move a year is all BK has in him. He will go back into the woods and hibernate now.
By preston
February 16, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this
LOL……..Bibby is already listed as being a player for the Atlanta Hawks on Wikipedia.
By REFMan14
February 16, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this
This is a good deal for the Hawks. You get an upgrade at position that needed an upgrade, you also get veteran leadership for a young team. I still think the Hawks are a year away from being serious contenders in the east. But they should be able to taste the first round of the playoffs in the weak east. Even if this doesn’t work out, Bibby’s expiring 14 million contract is up after next season.
By Disappointed Fan
February 16, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this
This may have already been stated but here is the good and bad of the trade: GOOD - 1) Acie Law now has an example he can follow. Bibby may not be Kidd or Nash, as far as getting the ball into the appropriate hands at all times but he knows how to control the game and score; and 2) The Hawks will now become what they should have been all along, a running team. They will accomplish this despite Woodson. BAD - 1) Make the playoffs, Woodson stays; and 2) Woodson stays, this team will not realize its potential. Give the Hawks a coach that knows how to manage a team and watch them contend. Keep Woodson and watch the team peak at the 2nd round of the playoffs.
By LA Hawk
February 16, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this
Eff Woody. Hawks now have a PG with experience and a playoff history. Let BIBBY call the plays and the run the whole friggin’ show. Maybe Bibby can come to the ATL on Monday and actually teach the Hawks an offense system.
By randy
February 16, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this
HAHA ray. You never know ol’ Shellhead might surprise us. I mean after Giants beat Pats in SB, anything is possible. But who really cares??? WE GOT BIBBY. Can’t wait to see this team in action next week!
By LA Hawk
February 16, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this
…but I do have to give BK props on this one. This is a real nice piece of work. Still don’t believe in him but this was well done. ATL really gave up nothing here. BEST OF LUCK TO SHELDEN. Hopefully he goes out there and proves BK and Woody wrong!!! He’s too good of a person to get what he got here.
By randy
February 16, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this
ITS OFFICIAL NOW! On the Hawks website.
By ray
February 16, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this
Randy, I couldn’t agree more with what you’re essentially saying: Woody is the X factor in all of this. We just solidified a serious position of need with one of the league’s better players. Bibby is 29 and will be 30 in a few months. While a veteran, he’s not over the hill and has plenty to contribute (look at Kidd and all the injuries he’s had…still wanted badly). I have been waiting for a serious move and was mightily disappointed in the results of the Claxton and Wright signings. This can only put the onus even more on Woody. I’d rather be rid of him now, but you know how that goes.
Doc, I’ve wondered if we’re done dealing as well. I am somewhat on the fence about Marvin for Miller. Miller is definitely a more versatile player, that’s for sure. The question is, if you’re letting Marvin go…is it smarter to go for a more versatile passer/shooter/rebounder in Mike Miller…or a big guy who can start in the frontcourt alongside Horford and Smoove. All else being equal-Miller has more dimensions than Marvin any day.
By LA Hawk
February 16, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this
SEKOU, This couldn’t be the whole trade you referenced last night. You said a team from the east was going to involved.
What was that deal?!
By Volman
February 16, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this
Ray, I got a big laugh out of the pumpkin seeds comment! Still smiling!
By richbrave
February 16, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this
Well guys and gals, you got your trade. Isn’t Bibby a little long in the tooth? At least Woodson shouldn’t have to coach him up. I hope this works for you. Good luck.
And worst lottery pick ever? How about Kwame Brown at #1.
By robdawg06
February 16, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this
I like the idea of getting Mike Bibby but it seems like the Hawks are giving up too much to get a guy that averages 15 points and 10 assists per game. Lue and A.Johnson can combine for those numbers. If S.Williams ever pans out then it could be a horrendous trade. Bibby is not a spring chicken himself and is oft-injured lately. Did anyone hear Steven A. Smith say this on his radio show about Kwame Brown : “I have a bag of chips and dip in my hand right now that I’m eating. These chips are worth more than Kwame Brown !” ??? Hilarious stuff !
By LA Hawk
February 16, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this
I think BK was sending a message to all of our vets…it’s totally cool to suck on defense, have no offensive game BUT if you put popcorn in a rookie’s ride, we’ll ship you to Cow Town!
By ray
February 16, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this
I missed that part about us giving up a 2nd round pick in addition to the four players.
When’s the deal become official?
Randy, I couldn’t help it. When the one free agent big man you sign (since Pachulia) is more concerned about “putting rookies in their place” than he is about actually producing or mentoring the younger bigs…what can be said? I will say this: he couldn’t teach Horford a damn thing about basketball. He did teach Solomon Jones two things: how to sit on the bench and avoid the splinters and how to not complain publicly about lack of PT. Heh!
By DarkRyder
February 16, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this
Has anyone bothered to look at the upcoming schedule in the midst of their excitement over this deal? Atlanta has 5 games out west, i’m guessing they go 1-4 with the lone win against the Kings. If by the grace of God they survive THAT stretch then they may be ok.
Besides, I can tell you now that Bibby is going to override anything Woodson says. I’ve heard numerous times that he has had a history of undermining coaches, but in this case it’s a welcome sight.
He has lost a step, but in the weak East he could flourish with an All Star two guard who no longer has to feel like he’s carrying the weight of the team on his shoulders.
Just wait until the first time Bibby decides to call his own number on one of Woodson’s predictable isolation plays. Bibby will force Atlanta into becoming a small ball, run up and down the court kind of offense.
Oh, and just one more thing: HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE LEBRON JAMES RIGHT NOW? I mean outside the money and endorsements, tell me he isn’t royally P*SSED OFF that Cleveland could’ve had Bibby for essentially nothing.
JohnGTFan if you’re still around, I think March 17th will be an interesting game against Washington.
By richbrave
February 16, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this
Bibby will be 30 before the NBA season is over. That’s young enough to give the Hawks several more good years, provided of course, he’s re-signed. If not. the expiring contract will give you some flexibility as Sekou sayz.
By MannyT
February 16, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this
mykhalc Thanks for the Sac Bee link. I enjoyed seeing their blogs take on the trade.
We now have a big time point guard. As far as PT goes, it’s Bibby for AJ & Lue. We should be able to live with that. We even get a few roster spots to cherry pick from the D-League All Star game (or make another deal.)
The Silencer (BK) has bought some quality groceries. Woody is on a 30 game version of Iron Chef to make the playoffs!
We have this season to get better and next season to attract free agents.
I like it!
By richbrave
February 16, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this
Yes, I heard it. Made me cringe!!!
By honest_abe
February 16, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this
the only thing hilarious about steven a. smith is his face.
no the hawks aren’t giving up too much. i’m just surprised a team was willing to take that trash off the hawks hands. i guess expiring contracts do look real attractive to teams that are rebuilding. if shellhead ever does fully reach his potential it might be as a serviceable 6th man. he’s got average skills, limited athleticism on a undersized frame. this trade is pure butt - eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeR or A whichever you prefer
By robdawg06
February 16, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this
If the Hawks can keep Bibby and sign a free agent (or draft) a big man at center next year like a Ben Wallace or Rasheed Wallace then I really think this team can win. If we had a force in the paint on both ends we would be unstoppable ! I haven’t been here in a couple months but I watched the Hawks-Pistons game and the Hawks looked good. Hindsight is 20/20 of course but fouling Chauncey Billups instead of allowing him to hit those treys might have won that game. You can’t trade 2’s to his 3’s and win. I haven’t even looked to see who at center is a free agent next year but that has to be the position of dire need now to complete this team.
By Orlando
February 16, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this
“I like the idea of getting Mike Bibby but it seems like the Hawks are giving up too much to get a guy that averages 15 points and 10 assists per game.”
Robdawg, let me see if this will help you out. See, there’s this thing about having a PG do more than accumulate stats. Bibby has the ability to actually lead an offense, which is something Lue and AJ combined could never do. With those two Atlanta was among the league’s worst in assists. Bibby can actually get the players in position to score instead of just getting the ball to JJ and hoping he bails themout, which AJ was prone to do at times.
Players like Shelden Williams are a dime a dozen and can be picked up anytime.
Bibby has a few good years left in him, and remember that this trade was more about getting Acie Law (remember him) prepared so when Bibby leaves he will be ready.
Also, in the offseason the Hawks (should they make the playoffs) can use the money to get bigger inside. This way everybody’s happy, except Lebron James.
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this
BIG RAY, 10/8 bro 10/8 LOL but you might be right. might be too generous. but i wish all well when gettin’ out from under the WOODSON UNKNOWINGNESS!!!
By mississippi
February 16, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this
Are certain players in the D-League owned by the Hawks, and which ones are they? Also how can you tell which guys are free agents down there. it seems that we have to pick up some guys, I just hope they hustle, play D, and rebound.
By robdawg06
February 16, 2008 6:27 PM | Link to this
You can look back and see many players that weren’t that good as rookies or their first few years in the league. Gilbert Arenas and Andrei Kirilenko come to mind as examples. Look at how Boris Diaw was misused with the Hawks and how good he played with the Suns last year. The ultimate misuse of talent was the Atlanta Falcons with Brett Favre… I’ll not expand on that monumental gaffe.
By robdawg06
February 16, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this
Joe Johnson is a veteran leader too, Orlando. Some sheep can’t be led and the wolf inevitably gets them… Lol.
By robdawg06
February 16, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this
If Acie needs schooling he can rent the Magic Johnson and Isiah Thomas DVD career hilight collection and press play… Seriously, Bibby will help Acie.
By David-ATL14
February 16, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this
Spot on comment at 6:05P LA Hawk
Funny and true both.
By Harry Hawk
February 16, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this
mykhalc,
That 10/8 from Shelden in 20+ minutes still sounds wack to me. Big Al’s getting 9/10 in 31:30 a night. Either way, I wish Shelden well, but it’s not like he needs any more good luck. He’s got an alien head and is dating a woman who’s a better baller than he is.
By Ken Strickland
February 16, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this
Now that the Bibby trade is apparently on, I wonder if Woodson is going to continue to be an absolute idiot concerning Salim. He’s now the only shooter we have on our bench now that TLue is gone. At least Bibby will give JJ some protection from so many double teams.
I wonder if Woodson played Acie so many mins in the last gm because he knew this trade might happen. This means DWest will be getting more mins. We can look for Chills and West to get extended mins at PG. Also, with Shelden and Wright gone, Woodson will be forced to give SJones more mins.
Doesn’t it seem like poetic justice. The 3 players Woodson has ignored and put on ice(SJones, SStaudamire and MWest) are the ones he’ll need to count on now. I wonder who we’ll sign to fill out the roster. This trade leaves us with only 9 roster players and a bench composed of SJones, SStaudamire, JChildress and MWest. For those of you who’ve been complaining about us being undersized or having too many PG’s, look at us now.
By terrell barron
February 16, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this
It’s about time BK. What were you waiting on? Now lets move Marvin for a big.
By new jersey faithful
February 16, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this
I love this trade, and I also think with solid minutes, Sheldon Williams turns out to be a decent player. Not sure if he gets the minutes in Sacramento though. Time will tell!! Now we find out how bad or good Woody really is……….lol
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this
Harry Hawk, yeah i could be way off. but HORFORD gets that with ‘maybe’ 4 legit plays run for him a nite. i guess my point is watch, see, admire or loathe what THEUS will get outta him. THEUS WILL get ‘whatever’ is in SHELDEN as a player out of him…no doubt!!! with all the injuries SAC has had this year, THEUS has done an OUTSTANDIN’ job with that team…OUTSTANDIN’!!!
and on another note, that game i was thinkin’ about was SAC against GSW. and lemme tell BIBBY was the truth in the clutch!! SAC lost but BIBBY definitely was takin’ the big, clutch shots and nailin’ ‘em!!!!
with him comin’ off the bench at the 3, WOODSON will look like the genius that he really is!!! alright i’ll leave it alone now!!
LUE ends up in BOS. that’s my prediction!!!
By Steve(HAWKSFANSINCE84)
February 16, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this
WHAT A GREAT DEAL FOR THE HAWKS! WE GOT BIBBY AND KEPT ALL OF OUR CORE!!!!!!
Seriously though, the Hawks REALLY REALLY needed a Pointguard that can knock down the 3ball, a great shooter, pushes/controls the tempo, make plays scoring and passing, and it sure doesnt hurt that he is extremely clutch and a good veteran leader that really knows how to win and compete at the highest level……. that is an OUTSTANDING deal for us. That is gonna take alot of pressure off of Joe Johnson and make his life easier, make Josh Smith better on offense, make Childress better, hell itll make evreyone better… even our coach who will finally have a trustworthy pg, plus Bibby could possibly mentor/train Acie Law (Same style of PG in college that Bibby is in pro’s), if Acie is capable (Which remains to be seen).
We didnt have to give up much of anything for him either, except for Shelden Williams (Who I think actually may pan out in Sacramento somewhat, much like Boris Diaw did after leaving the Hawks.. not to that level though… Shelden just wasnt a good fit in Atlanta, we were never gonna get use out of him anyways, its good for him and our Hawks that this happened)……. the expirings are a great thing for Sacramento’s rebuilding, Beno Udrih gets a good shot……
Overall for right now though: GREAT GREAT GREAT deal for the Hawks. Dead serious, what a great deal for us.
That is exactly what we needed, a very good pointguard, an experienced leader, a playmaker, another 4th quarter scoring option, a pg that can really push/control the tempo, knows how to win, and WE REALLY needed outside shooting to spread the floor….
EXACTLY what we needed.
Bibby-Johnson-Marvin-Smoove-Horford with Chillz as 6th man
THEY ARE GONNA BE REALLY FUN TO WATCH. I already loved watching the Hawks but could tell so bad that their desperate need for a PG, a clutch option to help out JJ, outside shooting, and a leader was killing them… I kind of slowed on watching them as they fell off/struggled over the last month for the first time ever………
We really got a good deal here. We should be back on track now on route to the playoffs, Horford’s been great inside too as of late by the way….. THEYRE GONNA BE VERY VERY FUN TO WATCH!
By DarkRyder
February 16, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this
Ken, your enthusiasm notwithstanding, this team SHOULD be a fun team to watch, but remember who their coach is. Let’s take the wait and see approach before making them the next Phoenix Suns. Your points are very, very good, but just remember… ….MIKE WOODSON IS STILL THE COACH.
That alone is enough to make me worry.
Terrell Barron, I maintain my stance that they won’t move Marvin unless they don’t make the playoffs this year. Perhaps BK has finally awoken from his slumber to realize he is on the way out!
By kwooden1
February 16, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this
Good trade for the Hawks! (Great trade if Bibby can play anywhere near they way he did three years ago) Getting something for Sheldon W. is great, getting a guy that can start is excellent. Hate to see both Lue and Johnson go, but getting a starting guard back is outstanding. Hopefully Bibby has been resting the last few seasons, because of how Kevin Martin has been playing. This trade will force Woody to play Law alot more, and play Salim a little. Hopefully Soloman will get more playing time also, but it won’t happen unless someone gets injuried.
JJ, gets some rest this weekend and Al heal up that hand!
This West Coast trip is going to be a killer, but I think if they can go 2-3 or 1-4, then they can get back in the mix with the rest of the schedule.
GO HAWKS!!
By LAJ
February 16, 2008 7:45 PM | Link to this
good trade, but now we’re not in this years draft. any suggestions?
By Astro Joe
February 16, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this
The best thing about the deal is that 29 other NBA GMs now know that the Hawks can (and will) make a deal. That should open up some possibilities during the off-season (assuming this deal is not met with another injunction early next week. Credit to ASG for completing the deal before a federal holiday to delay any possible court filings). And it also should energize the team that they have more ammunition to fight these last 31 games. And specifically on this west coast trip.
While I’m not thrilled with this as a pure basketball move, it sets us up very well for trades next season as well as an immediate boost this season. If this works on the court, it wil only be because JJ is comfortable as a facilitator. Funny thing that we had to trade 2 of our 3 players who can set those wicked picks that Bibby often needs to drain those long distance bombs. I hope Al doesn’t get cheap fouls as our sole pick-setter.
By j
February 16, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this
Could be drunk, but, could Woodson look a whole lot smarter with the addition of a true PG? So long as Smith is retained, this rocks. Just hope it is not a short term addition to lessen the undeniable outrage if Smith is not retained. Oh well, for now, Schultz has it about right.
By Najeh Davenpoop
February 16, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this
With zero picks in this year’s draft and both Joshes up for new contracts, it wouldn’t surprise me to see a draft-day sign-and-trade of Childress for a mid- to high-first round pick. But that’s a long way off. For now, this team 1 through 6 is at least the 5th best team in the conference on paper. (That doesn’t take coaching into account though.)
By Astro Joe
February 16, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this
One more thing, let’s see what BK does about filling at least 2 of these 3 empty roster spots. I don’t know his name, but there is a center in the D-League who has played very well who isn’t “attached” to an NBA team. I wonder if we can pry someone like PJ Brown to join us now (I doubt it). I’d settle for Kelvin Cato, Jackie Butler or Dale Davis. And I’d love to see Penny Hardaway join our bench too.
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 8:07 PM | Link to this
we’ve got enough developin’ draft picks on the roster already IMHO. time to supplement this roster with some vets. personally, i could care less about the lack of picks this summer!!
JOE, i’m not followin’ you regardin’ your 2nd paragraph??!!??
By NBA Roto
February 16, 2008 8:10 PM | Link to this
It’s a great move for Atlanta. Solid move. The Hawks get an instant impact floor leader and the Kings basically get two pizzas and an iPod (oh yeah, and three D-League players and Tyronn Lue).
Nice job, Hawks
www.nbaroto.com
By Ken Strickland
February 16, 2008 8:18 PM | Link to this
DARKRYDER-with our frontcourt bench strength depleted, we’ll have to play uptempo now. We’ll likely go to the CBA to get filler for our bench. Woodson can now use that as an excuse for using a short rotation.
At least now both fans and players will have something positive to look forward to after the break.
By DarkRyder
February 16, 2008 9:03 PM | Link to this
Ken you’re statements ring true, but until I see it from Woodson, I won’t believe it…
…Astro Joe, will this change the perception about BK that he is unable to make worthwhile deals? Or does this action reek of a man desperate to save his job?
The next logical move might be to trade Zaza straight up to NJ for Jamaal Magloire. This way you can move Horford to PF for stretches and keep him out of foul trouble. Zaza has proven he is a defensive liability, and with Bibby not exactly The Glove on D a big who can clog up the paint is necessary.
By thecamera
February 16, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this
Assuming BK can’t get PJ Brown to come out of retirement, here are three options from the D-League:
Call-up #1: “Too Much” Rod Benson, he’s a 6’11”F who is averaging 11/10. He might not be much better Solo, but he’s got some talent and would bring some energy. And he sure doesn’t lack any personality.
Call-up #2: Lance Allred, he’s a 6’11/250 C who is averaging 16/11. Can he play? Who knows, but he’s big.
Call-up #3: The vet PG Randy Livingston, who has played here before, he’s averaging 16/11. He’d be a perfect pick-up for the bench. If he only hadn’t blown out his knee at LSU …
By DarkRyder
February 16, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this
I must show support though for Hawks fans who know how to set the record straight. From Najeh’s post on CBSsportsline.com:
“Ironically, if Atlanta had drafted either of those two in 2005 instead of Marvin Williams or selected Brandon Roy instead of Shelden Williams last year, it would have no need for Bibby and could utilize the cap space its forfeiting to re-sign Josh Smith or pick up someone else to move forward with.” Those were the comments of some third rate columnists.
Najeh: *Ever heard of Larry Bird rights? This trade has no impact on the Hawks’ ability to re-sign Josh Smith, because they can go over the cap to keep him.
The ‘05 and ‘06 drafts killed that team, no doubt. But they are now 1 through 6 one of the top 5 teams in the East, and Bibby is signed for just long enough to allow Acie Law to develop and take over the PG position after next year. In return the Kings get 3 expiring contracts and a guy who was a bust from day one. Pretty damn good trade for the Hawks if you ask me. Even if Bibby continues playing the way he has this year, he’s still an upgrade over Lue and A. Johnson.*
Well said Najeh!
By mykhalc
February 16, 2008 10:38 PM | Link to this
DWIGHT HOWARD is SUPERMAN!!!!
By richbrave
February 16, 2008 10:45 PM | Link to this
DARKRYDER:
If Areanas, Butler, Daniels, and Stephenson are healed up and worked out should be a good game. Looking forward to seeing what you’ve got.
By Steve T
February 16, 2008 11:16 PM | Link to this
If the Hawks make a trade, then I hope if they call someone up from the D-league, then they call up someone that can create his own shots. The Hawks need a shooter and I will get anyone that is light up the D-league.
By RA
February 17, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this
Okay,
Let me begin by saying that I’m no bandwagon jumper. I’ve been a Hawks fan for over 30 painful years. I’ve sworn them off time after time and then I’ve gone back for more… I’ll be the first to say that this franchise has made mistake after mistake, not just over the past ten years but during also during the 30 years previous to that! And yea, there are the Paul’s and the Roy’s and every other draft day mistake that we’ve made since the Hawks moved to this city that MIGHT have ended up in a championship, but you know what? There are also the Dominique Wilkins, the Josh Smith’s, the Doc Rivers, the Al Horford’s, guys that could have won a championship and guys that still might if we give them half a chance and throw our support behind them. I don’t think it’ll happen this year. There’s still the matter of that glaring hole in our front court where a legitimate center should be, but this is the eastern conference so… My point is that this team is moving toward something, and as many mistakes as they’ve made, the talent is undeniable. Our question is the same question that Lincoln had in the summer of 1862, do we have a general that can manage the arithmetic of what we have and use it to win? I don’t know.
By gloom and doom
February 17, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this
DOLLARS TO DOGNUTS - THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH BIBBY AFTER 3 GAMES
By RA
February 17, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this
Hey Gloomy,
You’re probably right, but the sad part is that even if you are, he’ll still be better than what we had before…