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By Jamaaliver

February 11, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this

Yeah,

Instead of pulling pranks, maybe Lo Wright should have been praticing, or running suicides, or watching game film….something more productive.

By hawksfan

February 11, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

Is it true that woodson is fired, some guy at the other blog said that he did.

By terrell barron

February 11, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this

Woodson has ruined Acie’s confidence. I’m suprised he didn’t go off on Lorenzen. He has to be frustrated right now.

By richbrave

February 11, 2008 7:40 PM | Link to this

Damn Smith. This blog is gettin’ on a par with Dave O’Brian’s. Keep up the good work. The Wizards blogs are just —- well, blogs. This one is interesting and insightful. And you have a stable of enthusiasm and knowledge. If the folks keep running the haters - racist and otherwise, maybe some of the players can be enticed to post here like Chip Jones did last week. I think Gilbert Areanas might. When my e-mail’s fixed(virus) I’ll ask him and see if he’ll put up a post or two.

By preston

February 11, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this

If Woodson was fired or even rumored to be fired, I’m sure that it would be on the front page of the AJC by now………….unfortunately….”The Woody Woopecker Show” is alive and kicking.

By terrell barron

February 11, 2008 7:56 PM | Link to this

Thats unfortunate!

By mississippi

February 11, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

I have a question that has been bugging me a while and I hope some of the knowledgble folks around here can provide some insight.

I was watching Boston play the other day and Glenn Davis was doing good work on Tim Duncan. I wondered why he has gelled so well and Sheldon hasn’t. Could some of it be that he is surrounded by better players and what he is asked to do is less. Maybe, but guarding Duncan is tricky if it’s 4 minutes or 4 quarters. Davis fell in people’s opinions pretty far, but it seems like he will be a decent pro. What’s the difference between him and Sheldon? And calling Sheldon a bum doesn’t count.

thanks.

By richbrave

February 11, 2008 8:10 PM | Link to this

O.K. we’re hearing from the half-empty haters. Any half-full lovers? I know you’re out there. Mary B. Where you ‘at’, in the vernacular.

By preston

February 11, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this

Yes, richbrave the glass is half-empty here……but, to make you feel better, we will just say that it is half full.

By doc

February 11, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this

baby is being counseled by a real pro in garnett. our “real pro” rens is only able to come up with shows of popcorn to “teach’ the rooks some respect. now why would anyone respect him as he hasnt given a dimes worth of effort since he sliced open zaza’s scalp his first day of practice.

sheldon is biding his time like newbill, ivey and diaw had to do to get into a situation where they can play.

By Eric

February 11, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this

I am soooo tired of Lorenzen Wright trying to earn respect from the rookies. This team is sooooo sorry because we have sorry veterans like Wright being occupied with the rookies and stupid traditions like pulling pranks on rookies and making rookies serve the veterans. If I was a veteran, all I would want a rookie to do is improve his play, and I would also treat the rookies like I treat everyone; that is, with respect. I don’t believe in this pecking order crap. Lorenzen Wright needs to grow up or land his sorry behind on another team.

By mykhalc

February 11, 2008 8:49 PM | Link to this

KEN, in response from the previous blog…

KEN, don’t disagree with anythin’ in your last post re:SALIM bro. not at all!! (DOC and i have a one-on-one between ACIE and SALIM goin’ on right now!!!LOL)

seriously tho, i knew JAN ‘07 that WOODSON coached(?) better by default with a short bench. he just can’t manage a game and especially with too many choices. so i definitely feel you on WOODSON not givin’ these cats a chance. i guess my ONLY reservation about SALIM is his lack of hittin’ shots when he did get ‘limited’ time on the floor!!!

so do i think he has been given a fair shake?? HELL NO!! do i think he’s shown anythin’ close to his college rep?? AHH NOPE!! how much do i blame WOODSON??? 90% in the case of SALIM, i’d say!! (just pickin’ number now tho) but i do expect SALIM to make it hard for WOODSON to keep him on the bench by hittin’ shots when he IS in the game.

but as i say that KEN, pls know that i know how hard it is to produce under those circumstances!! one of the hardest things for me as a musician is to play a line that’s kickin’ my a$$ while practicin’ it then play it flawlessly on the gig or when ‘record’ is punched!!! the body and mind naturally wanna take you to TENSE-DOM!!! so i get where these cats are at and what they are dealin’ with!! and unfortunately in BOTH cases, the what and where, point to WOODSON!!!

like i been sayin’…

WOODSON’s gotta go…PERIOD!!!

By Ken Strickland

February 11, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this

This is a continuation from the last blog.

DOC-you’re right, as always. I started to add another paragraph to illustrate that point, but decided not to. My point was, teams scoring 85-90 PPG, with a 4-5pt average margin of victory, are considered good DEF teams. But teams that score 100+pts, with an average margin of victory of 10-15pts, aren’t considered good DEF teams.

The hawks are actually bigger than Phoenix and Golden State. Yet Houston doesn’t routinely beat them into the ground like they did us. Granted, they do have the outside shooting to stretch the DEF.

I want all of you OLD SCHOOL fans to take a trip with me down memory lane. How many of you remember that huge(especially for the 60’s) Michigan State team that featured Cazzie Russell, Oliver Darden, Bill Bunten and Tom Meyers. I don’t remember who the other starters name. They weren’t just tall, they were physically huge as well. They played UCLA for the national championship. I remember 3 of UCLA’s starters, Gail Goodrich, Walt Hazzard and Keith Erickson. Erickson was UCLA’S C, and the tallest UCLA starter, at 6’5”. At least 4 of Michigan State’s starting 5 were taller than Erickson, including 6’6” SG, Cazzie Russell.

Wooden was asked how they were going to deal with Michigan States size and height. Wooden responded by asking how were they going to deal with his teams speed and quickness. He understood that size can be a liability if the tempo is right. For those who don’t remember, UCLA ran them off the court and won the 1st of their many national championships.

By doc

February 11, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

ken, i left you a thought on the end of the last blog.

myk, who is salim?

By Astro Joe

February 11, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

mississippi, Glenn Davis has a very experienced “big man” coach, Clifford Ray, working with him daily. In the past, he has worked with Al Jefferson and Dwight Howard. Think those 2 young power players look well-coached and ready to dominate for 10 years? Also, as Doc pointed out, he has someone like KG who stays amped 24/7 to show him how to bring energy to every situation. Based on the poor seasons from guys who at least were sporadically productive last season (Shelden & Zaza), there is no evidence to suggest that the off-season hire of Alton Lister is working out.

By doc

February 11, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this

yeah ken, i remember that game and the whole of that era.

also, held your cool well today if you know what i mean. maybe someone will take out the trash. proud of you, flies usually die, heh heh, quickly.

blog z you talking music with dob. bring it here man.

By doc

February 11, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

amen aj, one of our pet peeves. one cant tell me shels isnt as capable as davis just broken by his inconsistent coach and maybe his “peers” on the hawks. never have liked the notion of self appointed pecking orders unless it is done by guys who command respect like smoltz and chipper rather than demand it like rens. we have seen this coming for more than year i think. wouldnt you like to see rens give for two minutes garnett energy. i still think his earrings are two heavy and that saps him of his energy.

By doc

February 11, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

aj, alton lister brings some much needed height to the bench. if only he could still suit up.

By drmaryb

February 11, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

Hey RichBrave

I got your back like a CHIROPRACTOR man!

Im just figuring out how to Blog-Hop! To the HIP-HOP-HIPPITY-HOP!

I am tired of the other “Are You in the Zone” BLOG. I hope the P-Kid doesn’t figure out wer’e over here now!

I sent him to the Kids-Table, to MY SPACE or whatever.

I’m trying to rise-up and get ready for them PISTONS comin’ in here tonight for tomorrow’s game.

I hope our team come to play..That is a game we can definitely win…I heard a nasty rumor that WOODY was GONE..but I’m not biting on that line. I’ll believe that when I turn on the tube and he’s not on the Bench. That billy is probably smokin some OOOWWEEE!

I just want to get back to .500 and go from there!

By Astro Joe

February 11, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

doc, wouldn’t it be great to read one of those tell-alls on the past 3 years of this team? I wonder if Bernie Mullen can be convinced to spill his guts.

By drmaryb

February 11, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this

Hey RichBrave…

I’m getting hooked on here - I gotta find and AA-Meeting for Bloggers real soon. I gotta wurk & pay some bills over here. ;o

But, I have noticed a common theme in all your BLOGS You would love it one of theHAWKS-PLAYERS Would come on here and ID themself as an authentic player

• to clue us in on -

What the hell is going on over there at Phillips Arena?

By ray

February 11, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

Sekou,

You’re not the only one anticipating the “debut” of our dear family memeber. In fact, we were discussing it just hours ago….

Doc, I thought I was the only one who didn’t laugh at Lorenzen’s popcorn caper. This is probably a bad attitude, but here’s what I think about it: Lorenzen Wright wants to “put rookies in their place”? How about doing so on the court?! Oh wait, he’s not 1/3 the man a rook like Al Horford is. Is this (plus a guaranteed 3 or 4 fouls) all he’s good for? I guess when you’re not good enough to play, you gotta find something to do…

Joe, that’s just it: Acie was a straight killa in college. Woody has effectively neutered him. Apparently, the same has happened to Sheldon to an extent.

Well, anybody who still thinks we shouldn’t make any trades or whatever had best read what the players are saying as well: it’s time.

By drmaryb

February 11, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this

Hey RichBrave

We should self-appoint ourselves as the

Chief Mission Strategist of this web-site. We’ll share the role as CMS

        **Top Guns**

1. We Must only appear in the top ten entries only - or not at all! ;)

2.If we appear in the top eleven to top twenty entries - we lose one style point. ;(

3.No one remembers. ;(

These are the Rules on Engagement for
Top Gun Status 4.Because - I’ve got to go to work.;o

Yeah man, I gotta do this early am & pm only. I’ve got to be saving lives during the day. This is way too much fun on here ;o

By Astro Joe

February 11, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

Ray, you’re right. Sekou’s new article pretty much has the players calling out BK to make a move. Even Woody’s comments up top suggest that the team wants a change.

I failed to mention this the other day, but when a coach takes blame for a lost, that coach must feel a level of job security. Woody said he deserves heat for the Cavs lost last week. When I read that, I was disturbed. A “dead coach walking” would never make the noose around his own neck tighter.

That said, ball is in BK’s court (and the owners who may have to ante up their summer vacation fund). Looks like our teflon coach will make it to May. WTF!!!!!!

By ray

February 11, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this

Joe, something tells me you’ve nailed it big time. That does sound like Woody’s going to stay.

Hmmmm…am I the only one that senses an invasion of this blog? It would seem that the Hawk Hack’s other personalities have become quite regular here lately. Or are they close friends/family members? Either way, they can’t handle us regulators, LOL! Yeahhhh, baby….locked, loaded, and aiming true…

By drmaryb

February 11, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

This is a really good hawks team. We have got to be like

Sir-Aurthur Blank

And get them boys some help!

We are killing: JJ & Smoove & AL & Chil-Lax “I GOT DIS” & Marvin…& ‘NEM.

1.Mario should NEVER come off a BENCH..That’s your SIXTH-MAN!

2.Chil-Lax “I GOT ‘DIS”is a STARTER!

3.Marvin “I DONT PLAY-D” is a SNIPER! he’s the 2nd guy off the bench (run the pick and roll & let him hit that “Picture-Perfect” sweet a* jumper! he can pick us up when we start slow. Espec. on Back-To-Backs!

You feel me Rich Brave! Should I coach this team? I’d do it for 3x what they’re paying Woody! ;o

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 11, 2008 10:30 PM | Link to this

Well… another reason Glen Davis might be playing better than Shelden is because… Davis is better than Shelden.

Shelden is a late first-early 2nd rounder who happened to be taken at #5. No amount of coaching is gonna change the fact that he has the talent of a late first-early second rounder. The fact that Davis, another 2nd-rounder, is clearly outplaying him right now is evidence of that.

But yeah, having better coaching and better veterans to learn from helps a lot too.

By drmaryb

February 11, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

You see it doesn’t matter who starts or finishes…it’s how you play the game!

If you play the game the right way? Work with what the good God gave you & win with that. Every team passed on Gilbert Arenas, a (2nd Rounder) - Go Figure! So stop screaming about Chris Paul and Brandon Roy! For Christ’s sake, you wound like a bunch of little girls.

Didn’t Sam Broke-Back_Knees Bowie get drafted #1 ahead of MJ at #5?

No one can predict the future..we all guess and sometimes we get lucky.

Hell Chris Paul should have gone #1 But he didn’t. Play the hand you were dealt & Thank God for it! Do your freakin best and move on! We probably do need a new head coach - but we need so much more!

We need a WINNING ATTITUDE!

By doc

February 11, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this

aj i’d love to see that book as well though i imagine there is something written into contracts nowadays to stop that from happening.

ray i guess we dont have the same sense of humor as everyone else.

men acting like 20 yr old frat boys making earning mils is scary. sad thing is rens doesnt realize how poor a bit of protoplasm he wants to replicate in anything approaching the portland franchise. rens is a huge waste, i only wish it were his knees rather than speedy’s. geez, what a terrible thing for my karma to play into. hope andy didnt see it since i am such a good example for him.

myk help me out on the karma cleenz babe!!!!

meanwhile, richbrave and drmaryb entertain themselves. zone to my space, saying it is high school fodder?

meantime looking forward to being at the phillips tomorrow night seeing if the hawks can reverse the trend of two steps forward and three back.

By doc

February 11, 2008 10:57 PM | Link to this

drmaryb, a few of the players overlooked by the guy who continually makes bad guesses, err astute picks as he would tell you and say you are stupid to doubt him would help everyone’s attitude even yours … no? we are talking about the hawks … the hawks, to paraphrase the little man ai.

hopefully, you dont guess on your diagnoses for the ill that you see daily or asribe to anything close to that do you? didnt you go into that earlier about accountability or the lack of it? living on both sides of the street are you? please it takes more than an attitude, that stuff really is found on my space.

By mykhalc

February 11, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this

BIG RAY, JOE, gotta give you the link on my take on WOODSON’s job security from the previous blog. you cats mighta seen it already. but here ya go…link

DOC, even the most evolved, such as yourself, are allowed to go primal every now and then!! and as HAWKS fans we get a bit more leniency…I HOPE!!!!LOL

By drmaryb

February 11, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this

Hey CP

I love your brain-mapping

I just read your post from “Are You In the Zone” the other day. It made me fall in love with you!

I am that Sexy, Beautiful, Hot-Chick that’s new on the Blog-Scene!

I want to share that QOUTE with This Blog.

* I COPIED > PASTED YOUR COMMENT* By cp

February 10, 2008 1:15 AM | Link to this

Mike “Gregg Knapp” Woodson.. Billy ‘Isiah Thomas’ Knight. Sheldon “cement feet, brick hands” WIlliams. Enough is enough get rid of all these clowns. I would add on too my list but i would be here all night. I know the East is terrible but we wont make the playoffs like this. We have a coach who cant adjust and is running his starters to death.. We have a GM who couldnt draft or make a trade to improve this team even if we had a time machine to show him who would end up being a great player because he is too arogant to care. We have a ownership who probably cant decide what to get for lunch as a group. Where is David Mc David, somebody anybody damn.

That’s great stuff - Keep it Up! (are you using viagra?) - Just wunderin’ if you were keepin’ it real!

By Samuel

February 11, 2008 11:07 PM | Link to this

Cuz,

Been a long time, I know. Don’t worry bout the hate’uz man. Keep doing what you do how you see fit. We all know Woody and BK need to go so it matters not what you or anyone else says. Until the people who write the checks see fit, it wont happen. Don’t waste yo breath.

On trades, I don’t really even want to see any players come in here if Woody just puts locks on them, anyways. I agree with a couple of cats here that Woody totally fu_ked up Acie’s game. I have said many times that I don’t want to see nobody out of work but he’s just not a head coach. But please NO Larry Brown, unless AI comes with him. I’m really tired of NBA retreads anyway. Nolan Richardson is my choice

You guys were crying about Atlanta fans pulling for the other team when the Lakers and Cavs and others were in town but pretty much all of yall said: NO to AI this summer, right!

I’m GEEEKED about my boy Shaq going to PHX. The Deisel gets a tune up and my Boy Monta Ellis, 81% FG percentage in the last 3 games. Sick! If there’s a better combo guard in the league right now, I wanta see him.

Heads up on a sleeper or maybe not this year in the draft. Courtney Fells from NC State. A 6’5” combo guy who has got all the tools and I mean (all of them). Been play’n against Men on the Front Street (Tupelo) hardcourts since he was 7th grade.

Lorenzen Wright is a scrubb. Point blank. I definately don’t claim him as a Mississippi baller. Highway robbery!

By mykhalc

February 11, 2008 11:10 PM | Link to this

yep, SEKOU’s last article pretty much says what the players are thinkin’ and realizin’!!! they seem to be invitin’ CHANGE!!! and that’s not even comin’ from SALIM or SHELDEN yet!!! probably crank that up a few notches for them!!!!

By drmaryb

February 11, 2008 11:12 PM | Link to this

Hey doc…

I’ll take a look at that. But, Sir, I am very very serious when it comes to what I do best. Saving Lives? I would never take credit for that. All the praise and glory goes to God!

This blog is my way of escaping from the serious stuff that I do - do! I don’t practice medicine on the internet, Sir - I do that in my office. “Which is why the past seven days have been so fun. I am on Vacation in Hawaii right now. I never knew what a Blog was until the other day.

See my earlier comment. It’s in the top ten on here…a dialogue with my man RichBrave. Next week not much noise coming from me.

By terrell barron

February 11, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this

Davis has better hands, quicker feet, better handles, and a hell of a lot more heart than Sheldon. SAD BUT TRUE! 2nd rdr vs. a top 5 pick.

By doc

February 11, 2008 11:18 PM | Link to this

samuel been waitin on the diesel comments, i really hope there is high test fuel for the guy as my suns finally did what should have been done last year, forget chicken and get beef.

By doc

February 11, 2008 11:34 PM | Link to this

drmaryb, glad you are having fun in hawaii and we look forward to your coming back and continuing on as a blog regular. this is not as serious as what you do, i know as i do it as well, however just pointing out some inconsistencies when it comes to your expectations of the hawks. bk has really set us back not by one miss or even two but several. thing is when you get high draft picks over and over something has to hit just maybe not in the way it is needed. he certainly didnt hit and luck out when it came to getting a coach. yes the players get their props nationally just not the coach the way things are happening say in protland.

By SQUAWKER

February 11, 2008 11:39 PM | Link to this

Wanna tell us who the f*** this Stoined Mountain guy you keep referring to is? Cuz, as of yet, I haven’t seen his name outside of in your blogs.

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 12:09 AM | Link to this

Do we even get a 2nd rdr this year?

By Astro Joe

February 12, 2008 12:13 AM | Link to this

mykhalc, I did see that post earlier. Sounds like a reasonable theory. Accept, I do think that BK was tricked into believing that he would have funding to get the job done. So maybe he didn’t initially ask for Woody to accept an empty cupboard. But I’m guessing he clued him in on the truth around the same time Drew & the other guy were told they couldn’t accept the other positions. I think when he promised JJ that the Hawks would not be perennial losers, he meant it. It feels like we have all been victimized by the lack of funding, compounded by poor draft picks, injuries and extraordinarily poor coaching. Yet, we are haning onto a playoff birth by a tearing thread. Go figure.

By HB Ando

February 12, 2008 12:31 AM | Link to this

I’m prone to following the path of the most obvious, drastic changes in any given environment (say, this blog). So the simultaneous emergence of both richbrave and drmaryb is questionable, at best. Especially since richbrave defended the honor of the Hawks’ Hack, from my admittedly sarcastic post, at both his site, as well as our own post, within mere minutes of their submissions.

If drmaryb and richbrave are merely no more, or less, than new, excitable additions to our community, then I both welcome them, and suggest they get a room, already. drmary has found an odd time, and even more unlikely place, to start an internet romance. So the cynic in me (Ando, a cynic, you say?) goes back to the possibility that out blog is an easy place to infiltrate, for entry-level employees, working for the Hawks, as well as, even more sadly, unpaid interns, squirreling their way towards their first post-college jobs.

It’s a variable combination of an arrival reminiscent of the “800-pound gorilla” that a young Dennis Miller brought to a stand-up routine, along with a rambling, often clueless, participation, that is perpetually recurring, lacks any level of insightful depth, and tends to occur when the ticket-buying masses start to recognize that, once again, the promises of the organization, that they are fully committed, and have successfully constructed, a team which justifies significant financial support, via ticket sales, from the once-again duped basketball fans of Atlanta.

What’s now lacking from this blog is the vociferous mass of humanity which was certain a playoff berth, and a plus-.500 record were inevitable.

I’d say more, but I have an assignment that needs to be attended to.

By mykhalc

February 12, 2008 12:33 AM | Link to this

JOE, good points. i think i’m soooo jaded at this point of NOT seein’ any continuin’ positive action by this franchise that i just suspect it was all in play from the beginnin’. probably wasn’t but at this point with the BASG, NOTHIN’ would surprise me. but you said it best…It feels like we have all been victimized by the lack of funding, compounded by poor draft picks, injuries and extraordinarily poor coaching. says it all!!!

By MannyT

February 12, 2008 12:54 AM | Link to this

Looking at the other half of the dribble glass…

If this team has been a little tight, I can live with some pranks to loosen them up. Y’all are reading a bit much into an article that gave you an inside peek at the team. Given many of the reactions, do you think they will be supportive of Sekou putting fun articles in the AJC.

Bloggers—relax a little bit. I doubt a pile of popcorn is really going to hurt any of them. As for them being rich and a bit silly—so what. Who made all us the No Fun Patrol?

…and while I take an odd moment to agree with Woody, the right trade can help, but the current team still has some upside in this season. I can still see this team eeking out a 41-41 season w/o a trade, because the East is an easier division.

By richbrave

February 12, 2008 1:20 AM | Link to this

HB Ando:

I’m watching your every move Ando. Take heart. Wiz just lost at Golden State.

By HB Ando

February 12, 2008 2:06 AM | Link to this

Rich, I’ve been called just about everything one could imagine. I’ve been accused of the vast gap that exists between literal brain death, and inconceivable levels of megalomania. But I’ve never had a blogger say anything quite as creepy as, “I’m watching your every move Ando (I could be wrong, but I think you were supposed to place a comma between move and Ando)”.

Even more compelling is the subsequent reference to what should be a completely inconsequential outcome between the Wiz and the Warriors. Is this a clue to your identity?

The biggest Wiz fan, here, if our friend Flash. He has both indicated a personal history with Belkin, and, confusedly proffered the theory that I might actually BE Belkin. You’re clearly not Flash, as he’s particularly articulate; something you’ve yet to even give a hint of, based on your series of posts.

I’m still betting on you being either the Hawks’ Hack, or someone tangentially related to him, from a personal or professional standpoint.

I’ve had a lot of enemies, over the years this blog has been in existence. But I’ve never had a stalker.

Pretty cool.

But if you want to tangle, offer a position on something, anything, so I can quickly dispose of your place here, on our blog, and free you to pursue your rather obvious, and creepy, internet passion play with drmaryb (but honestly, dude, I would look for quick proof that drmary wasn’t drmarty, with irrefutable evidence of the actual team the good “dr” plays for).

As you are watching my every move, please offer constructive criticism, based on your observations, as I am committed to never-ending self-improvement, and would hate for you to spend your valuable time, tracing me, without enhancing my existence by pointing out areas of my behavior which are open to betterment.

I feel like I have a guardian angel, now, though I think each state has their own definitions for whatever it is you are engaged in, as you “watch my every move”.

By cp

February 12, 2008 2:16 AM | Link to this

Shout out to Ken from the last blog. Ken you have been good with me since the Falcons blog. As far as this team needing to make moves well Childress might have said it best. It might be the little move that can help this team but since BK is our GM we probably wont even get that. There are a lot of good cheap guys available and I have been talkinga bout them for the last 2 weeks I believe. Delonte West ( he is like my Luke Ridnour), Gerald Green, Jr Smith, Andre Miller, Mike Miller. Mike Miller or Andre would probably help the most but if we got Delonte and maybe JR then I think we could really improve our 3 point game and it would allow JJ to finally get a rest. I think myself and a few others pointed how Law looks like he has lost his confidence. Woody has turned him into Salim. Woody has always baffled me. A guy on the bench can come in and have a very productive game then go on the Most Wanted list the next 2 weeks because we never see them again. Law has a good game a couple games back with 8 dimes and like one turnover and how does Woody reward him. hardly any burn since and one dnp. I remember the game Solo had like 6 big boards for us and what does he get, a bunch of dnp and 2 minutes here and there. It is time for a change and im tired of waiting for it. As far as Sheldon and Glenn Davis. Well even this past draft has second round pf’s who are better than Sheldon. Sheldon is very un atheletic, has bad hands, undersized, slow, and basically not that good. He had the benefit of a lot of calls at Duke and the genious of BK to get him drafted that high. After those camp numbers came out and it showed he was a lot smaller than most people thought, he starte sliding down the draft but our great GM not only picked him 5th but made a promise to him a month before the draft. Seriously how does BK still have a job.

By richbrave

February 12, 2008 3:25 AM | Link to this

HB ANDO:

Dude. You’re creepy yourself. I imagine you’ve generated a few conspiracy theories in your time. If you read through the recent archives you’ll see I started posting here as a Braves fan which I am. But this blog is pretty well written and the denizens(of which you are one)seem fairly knowing as to Hawks goings on. That gives me a little insight as to Wizards machinations so its worth some time.

Seems to me you’re committed to establishing yourself not as someone willing to learn, but rather as an individual tainted by a subliminal desire to show up others in order to feed your obvious feelings of superiority. Don’t mess with me man. You’ll draw back a nub.

By HB Ando

February 12, 2008 5:18 AM | Link to this

Rich, you’re not the first to take me on. But, having checked out your most recent contributions, you’re the first who seemingly has nothing to say about the Hawks, and, really, nothing that suggests you’re up for a battle of either wits or basketball knowledge. I didn’t know you existed until you oddly came to the defense of the Hawks’ Hack.

Now you tell me you’re watching me, and that I’m creepy and likely to pull back a nub if I mess with you.

You don’t instill any fear in me, and you offer me know tangible opinions regarding the NBA or the Hawks. So, I guess, I’m wondering what your beef with me is, and whether you’d like to actually take me on, as it relates to hoops’ opinion, or just be the psycho stalker that you’re making yourself out to be.

If you believe you can intimidate me, either intellectually or physically, you obviously lied when you stated you’ve been watching my every move. There are folks here, on this blog, who’ve met me in person, and/or taken their best shot at me, cognitively. I’m fairly confident that, while I recognize a few peers, there’s not a soul here who established intellectual superiority over me.

If you have something other than idle threats, be it a position on a relevant subject, or an opinion on the state of the Hawks, or any other NBA team, feel free to bring it on. Unless it’s coincidentally the same opinion as mine, I’ll likely shred your position to pieces (not really interested in your nub).

I’ll take my chance with pulling back my nub. But I’m seriously wondering whether you’d talk the same trash in person. ‘Course that might be challenging given whatever inpatient restrictions your plea bargain allowed for.

I suggest that you focus on your blossoming internet romance with drmary, who is either within a few cubicles of you, or housed in the same institution you’ve been remanded to.

Finally, as a person with an advanced degree in psychology, I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out that your statement, “Seems to me you’re committed………(and I only use the dots because the idea that I’m unwilling, or incapable, of learning, is so off base, that it’s value was primarily in validating what a freaking nut job you are), but rather as an individual tainted by a subliminal (someone with either a portion of a secondary education, or half of a brain would have more accurately utilized the term “subconscious”) desire (if it was subconscious, it would be a drive, rather than a desire) to show up others in order to feed your obvious feelings of superiority (actually, clinically speaking, it would be to reinforce my own insecurities regarding my subjective belief that I was actually superior to everyone, rather than some attempt to feed such “feelings”. Feelings are an emotional state, and don’t adequately quantify the cognitive state that defines the self-perception of intellectual superiority.

I hope you don’t view my clarifying your largely incoherent, and clearly incorrect use of your intended language, as “mess[ing] with me [you}, man. I just think your 9th grade psychology teacher would hope you had retained something, in exchange for the “C” she gave you, before you quit school and, speaking optimistically, got your GED (within a half-dozen attempts).

It was simply my sense of charity, which I learned from Doc, and attributed in my well-intended critique of the Hawks’ Hack, that led me to correct your usage of the English language, while you unsuccessfully tried to intimidate me (for reasons I cannot even fathom, but would be glad to come discuss with you during visiting hours, at where ever you are housed, or at either job you may have at the AJC or working for the Spirit. Short of those three options, I have no clue what you think your beef, with me, is based on. But, as long as you’re not toting a gun, or willing to spend the remainder of your life in prison, for killing me, for no good reason, I’d be cool with meeting you in person, and chatting this out as well.

And some how, I doubt I’d be drawing back a nub.

Finally, whatever you think I’ve committed to establishing myself as, here on this blog, I accomplished a long time ago. You, questioning my place in the hierarchy of this blog, makes you look kind of silly.

One more thing: if, by chance, you’re really the Hack, you should have put this type of passion and intensity into your blog. Then, maybe more than four or five people would know you exist, and the fans of the Hawks would truly have a voice that represents their frustrations with the franchise.

Feel free to keep this acrimonious exchange thriving. You’ll quickly find, from the comments of others who have spent time and thought in contributing to this blog, that you picked the wrong dude to talk trash with.

But, as this is America, you are free to speak your opinion, so come on over and take a shot at leaving me with (or without; I’m not sure what a nub qualifies as) a nub.

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 7:47 AM | Link to this

The Blazers were the talk of the NBA, when the streak was going on, but if the playoffs started today, their out and were in. ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!

By doc

February 12, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this

well manny t, we will see how it translates to the floor tonight. proof is in the pudding. however, it is a form of bulliness and that is all i have seen from rens as he can only be that outside of the markings of the court. he is nothing short of a wimp between the lines where we need him most not as a popcorn popper. he can do that at the local movie theatre or go to the mezanene section tonight at the phillips.

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 7:53 AM | Link to this

I see were not the only team that cant hold on to big leads. What in the world happened to the Wizards last night? They’re trying their best to give us 2nd place in the division, but we want take it.

By St. Bernard

February 12, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this

Lorenzen should be shown the door. This guy is like the senior in high school who’s never played sticking the starting freshman’s head in the toilet. Loser. Maybe he and his expiring salary can be sent somewhere for an upholstery specialist to clean up Acie’s car. Then, we can bring in a coach to help the kid remember how he played at A&M.

By doc

February 12, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

yes terrell it is interesting that the tenth or eleventh team in the west would probably be the fourth best in the east and portland at 5 games over .500 is ~tenth. we at ~ 5 games under are at 7th. surprisingly boston is undefeated against the west after 16 games.

By doc

February 12, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

yes terrell it is interesting that the tenth or eleventh team in the west would probably be the fourth best in the east and portland at 5 games over .500 is ~tenth. we at ~ 5 games under are at 7th. surprisingly boston is undefeated against the west after 16 games.

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

Pretty soon dumb a* Stern will say that the best records make the playoffs, regardless of conference. I wouldn’t put it past him. Damn, The Hawks are on NBA TV tonight. wtf! People outside of the ATL will be watching, so lets show em what we can do against one of the best in the East. Please, Please, Please, dont get blown out on national TV.

By Pepsi

February 12, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

BREAKING NEWS:

Woodson resigned late last night. He immediately packed up and drove to Arkansas where he took the Head Coaching job of the Razorback basketball team. He was introduced and did the PIG Sewee (not sure the spelling).

This morning the Spirit named Billy Knight the new President of the Hawks and interim GM until they hire a new one.

By DSLIM

February 12, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

sekou, please help salim get traded. his agent sucks. and so does WOODSON, i hate woodson. he is single handly ruining salims career.

By richbrave

February 12, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

HB ANDO:

With your psychotic reactions I can understand why others have taken you on. You’re just a really nasty person individually. I’ve known a few in my life.

That begs your knowledge of the Hawks franchise however. And this is about the Atlanta ball-team not the two of us. I ribbed you a little and you didn’t like it. So be it. I can still respect your takes on the Hawks. Especially since I’m trying to get a handle on the franchise, as I believe they are going to be our future primary adversaries. So do you want to be friendly adversaries, or haven’t you the flexibility of mind to accept an olive-branch? Your choice.

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

Imagine how bad this team would be, had we not drafted Al Horford at #3 last year. And this includes Oden and Durant. Oden is out all year, Durant would probably be in Woody’s dog house by now, for too many bad shots or something along those lines, Yi would probably be ready to head back to China if he were playing for Woodrow, and lord knows Brandon Wright, who a lot of people thought we would select, wouldnt have a chance in hell of succeeding in this (so called)system. Luckily, for us, Zaza got injured, and Horford took over, or who knows, maybe he would be on the end of the bench. Woody is a joke!

By Clyde

February 12, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By JohnGTFan

February 12, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

Not much really to say. Same thing with the same team. Without a trade, at the end of the season, the players will be left to ponder “What if?” The fans will be left with “Another year of the same sh&&!” And making a trade for someone like AJ doesn’t constitute “a trade to improve the team”. If no trade is made, other than going to the game in DC on Mar 17, my attention turns to the PGA season and getting ready for the Braves season to start. This team CANNOT win with Woodson as coach. I know he is not the only reason ATL is not winning, but he is a big reason. And without a major trade or him being fired soon (NOT HAPPENING NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE WANT IT), then Phoenix will be very happy on draft night!!

By doc

February 12, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

richbrave meet ando. you will come to enjoy him and like him as well as see his guff as it is. he really knows a lot about players and is insightful to say the least. good mea culpa and like the use of the olive branch. except for some with their real spew like yesterday ando is pretty benign but may we say a bit territorial.

as a take we enjoy and like folks to sit with us at the table but we really dont need any policemen to kick people off the blog under any circumstances. even the likes of those that hit here yesterday are welcome but they will soon see nobody cares about their true and ugly mirror and with that usually move on as the regulars see them for what they are and what they themselves are really trying to get away from themselves.

for you and drmaryb welcome to the blog z liars table, it lasts all day and the folks here are pretty supportive and look out for each other much as it happens at the dob blog. so be col enjoy the bball and culture stuff as we wander a bit when appropriate of not. stick around both of you new guys got game and may have found a home.

By Eastern Conference Scout

February 12, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

Sekou you fit right in with the losers that currently populate the Hawks.

Worrying about two blocks for Josh Smith in a gme that your team is absolutely getting it’s a* handed to it.

Keep up the worrying about things no winning teams care about one iota.

By Volman

February 12, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

Beats chest

Who is the “baddest” blogger of them all?

Can this team trade somebody already? This team needs CHANGE.

Yo Myk, WHAT UP!

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

It looks like it is going to come down to the wire, between the Hawks, the Pacers, the Bulls, and New Jersey, for the 7th and 8th spots in the East.

By Dark Ryder

February 12, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

Ladies and gentlmen….Ryder is gone! He was an eternal optimist, full of life and joy….

…and then he became a fan of the Atlanta Hawks! Soon his eternal joy turned to sadness as he saw numerous trades and acquisitions destroy his childhood dreams of an NBA championship in the capital of Georgia. Thanks to the arrivals of Danny Manning, Isaiah Rider, and Billy Knight this organization soon became the proverbial armpit of a professional career.

With the arrival of the Atlanta Spirit Group, Ryder soon realized that this dream could still exist…

….until the day those fateful words were uttered: “Mike Woodson has been announced as head coach of the Atlanta Hawks.”

….the dream of a championship withered and died like a flower in the winter. Ryder began to die inside as he saw Woodson’s inexplicable decisions on offense, horrific substitutions and a desire to bury young talent (re: Salim & Acie) to the point that HHH would be jealous.

…..Ryder is gone, and DarkRyder remains in his place. An eternal realist, darkryder realizes that the Atlanta Hawks are truly the crevice of the NBA, stuck in coaching mediocrity and petty ownership who values savings over winnings.

….darkryder realizes that Hawks GM Billy Knight refuses to take the actions of a sane individual for the sake of fulfilling his lust of an all 6’8 starting lineup…

….will change come? darkryder doubts it, for stubborness is the quickest path to destruction, and that is a destiny that this organization has settled for….

By MannyT

February 12, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

doc re 7:50 AM

I hope the popcorn caper does translate into something more than the regular hoops lesson from the Pistons.

I would not call it bullying. In the world of hazing and rituals, I don’t think popcorn in the car is very psychologically disturbing, but I am not a professional in that area. I’d rather have popcorn mania than someone stealing my clothes and trashing my room.

As for Lorenzen, everyone has a role to play. If he is not making things happen on the court, I hope he keeps the locker room loose and upbeat.

The beauty of this season for the Hawks is that they don’t have to be one of the 16 best teams in the NBA, just one of the 8 best in the East.

If they take off the brakes and put the team on a downhill slope (i.e. keep running), I believe they make the playoffs right around a 41-41 record.

By mykhalc

February 12, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

yeah i think the popcorn thing is just ritual nba rookie hazin’. NBA TV showed it bein’ done on another team earlier this year…mighta been DET hazin’ its’ rooks…can’t remember exactly who the team was nor the player gettin’ the abuse. but whoever it was it was all fun and games by all.

LW picked a bad time probably especially with how ACIE must be feelin’ now.

By mykhalc

February 12, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

VOLMAN, ‘sup man!!! you still makin’ those grades???!!!! keep those A’s comin’ bro!!! here’s one from last year for ya…CHILS at PG!!!!LOL

By doc

February 12, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

manny t i thought the comments that went with it were a bit below the belt mabe that was out of context ,too. funny there was a victim as headlined by the press. maybe nothing. sometimes these things are like the person who is passive aggressive and cant say it to your face. team gelled after a team meeting maybe this will bring them together again in time for the pistons. i imagine at the time, the butts of the joke didnt think it was cute only the onlookers.

By doc

February 12, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

manny t i thought the comments that went with it were a bit below the belt mabe that was out of context ,too. funny there was a victim as headlined by the press. maybe nothing. sometimes these things are like the person who is passive aggressive and cant say it to your face. team gelled after a team meeting maybe this will bring them together again in time for the pistons. i imagine at the time, the butts of the joke didnt think it was cute only the onlookers.

By Ken Strickland

February 12, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

DOC-I got your message. My restraint wasn’t a matter of being cool, but rather a matter of having respect for this forum. This isn’t a Falcons forum and I wasn’t going to turn it into one.

I want everyone who thinks the Hawks haven’t made any progress to consider this. Look at how this yrs team causes most of us to blow a gasket when they lose. Sure, we didn’t like it when they lost in past either. But, our anger, disappointment and frustration has been heightened this year because so many of our loses could easily have been wins. We’re now forcing teams to bring their A gm in order to beat us. We’re bring our A gm more ofter than in the past, but not enough to establish any consistency.

Teams aren’t consistently outrebounding us like in the past. Lately, we’ve stopped having those 2nd and 3rd qtr disappearances that took us out of any chance to win. Except for outside shooting, our problems can be summed up easily.

(1)Various talent on this team is either being misused, underused, overused and/or not used at all.

(2)The inconsistency of the team mirrors the inconsistency of our HC’s committment to a definitive style of play. It has been proven by quarters, halves and entire gms that we are best suited for an uptempo style of OFF.

(3)An uptempo OFF usually generates more scoring opportunities and correspondingly a higher team scoring average. It also allows, or requires, the utilization of more players. Fewer mins per player and the use of more players reduces fatigue and allows more allout effort from each player. In recent gms the team has consistently played uptempo. However, Woodson has countered by restricting his rotation to 7-8 players. He simply has to have control over something no matter what.

I STILL CAN’T GET OVER THE BLOWNOUT BY HOUSTON. WE’RE BEHIND BY 30+PTS IN THE 2ND HALF, AND WE STILL HAD 4 PLAYERS RECEIVING LITTLE TO NO PLAYING TIME. AS LATE AS THE 4TH QTR THIS FOOL HAD JJ, WHO IS INJURED AND 2ND IN THE NBA IN MINS PLAYED, ON THE FLOOR. JJ’s shooting woes aren’t due to a loss of confidence. It’s due to fatigue and a nagging leg injury.

I think the players like and respect Woodson, but they know he’s out of his element. They don’t want to see him hurt, but they recognize the need for a change of attitude and approach. The solutions to this teams problems aren’t an either or issue. Like JJ indicated earlier in the season, we need some additional help, talent wise. We also need some direction and someone that can handle the abundance of talent on this team.

By MannyT

February 12, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

mykhalc you make a funny, but I like the Chills at PG sometimes. From a defensive standpoint, he’s long and the thin frame isn’t an issue like it is when he guards larger players. It also makes the zone more effective.

Offensively, he can still lurk at the baseline and pick up his hustle points. He can initiate the basic offense, similar to his role on sideline inbound plays.

doc reasonable points. I guess only the team and their beat writer know for sure!

Now if we see AC or Mario dive for a loose ball near Lorenzen and take him out, well…

By MannyT

February 12, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

If Dwight Howard can get benched, we should be willing to play our bench as needed—either to rest the starters or send a message!

From ESPN/AP

*Howard, six days from his first All-Star start, got called out by his coach for perhaps the first time in his career.

“To me, it’s a matter of focus,” Stan Van Gundy said. “His focus is on the offensive end — he gets discouraged when he doesn’t get the ball. I know the numbers prove that what we need him to focus on to win is defense and rebounding. But that’s not what he wants to do right now, and so we’ve got a little bit of a conflict.”

Howard, the NBA’s rebounding leader who’s averaging 14.5 a game, failed to break double-digits in that category for the second time in four games. He had 16 points and nine rebounds and the Magic lost their third of a five-game home stretch before the break.

Van Gundy even sat his star part of the fourth quarter, because Howard lacked effort and said something during a break. But the fourth-year player defused the situation after the game by agreeing with his coach.*

By MannyT

February 12, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

Ken Strickland U DA MAN! The team is better, but the coaching is often up and down.

Coaches like that Jeff Van Gundy rule. If we work hard and play slow, we will rarely get blown out so I must be doing something right (not).

I’d rather see the Hawks run until the wheels fall off the bus, than run on Tue-Wednesdays, walk on Fri-Sun, and mix it up on Mondays. Confusion is not a style of play.

If they are going to run, they need to spread out the minutes. No need for JJ to be worn out trying to get a 60 pt 4th quarter in Houston.

Take the young fellas out of witness protection. I thought his name was Woodson, not Wilkens—he’s allowed to play young guys.

By Volman

February 12, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

Hopefully this isn’t a double post now…If it is sorry.

Myk, yo man..Yeah, the grades are up there this semester for once!

Who do you think should get traded (if anyone)? I really love Chills out there and what he brings to the team, but it looks like he’s the odd man out. I know you’d like to see more of Chills at point (which he does some) and Solo out there.. I honestly have not seen TOO MUCH from Solo when he’s been on the court…but that’s a tough judgement because he is not out there for important minutes. I’d like to see what he could do or not do..Atleast the Hawks said they tried, right?

Salim to.

Are there any bloggers on here who go to the games? What do you guys think about the constant support of the away teams out there? It’s ridiculous..EVERY GAME…

By Volman

February 12, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

Hopefully this isn’t a double post now…If it is sorry.

Myk, yo man..Yeah, the grades are up there this semester for once!

Who do you think should get traded (if anyone)? I really love Chills out there and what he brings to the team, but it looks like he’s the odd man out. I know you’d like to see more of Chills at point (which he does some) and Solo out there.. I honestly have not seen TOO MUCH from Solo when he’s been on the court…but that’s a tough judgement because he is not out there for important minutes. I’d like to see what he could do or not do..Atleast the Hawks said they tried, right?

Salim too.

Are there any bloggers on here who go to the games? What do you guys think about the constant support of the away teams out there? It’s ridiculous..EVERY GAME…

By mykhalc

February 12, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

MannyT, totally luv CHILS at PG too!!!! i said that to VOLMAN ‘cause i was screamin’ in JAN07 and FEB07 that CHILS at PG gave us our best unit at that time!!! and VOLMAN used to joke with me about it. but man, if i was coachin’, i’d be tryin’ CHILS at pg again and a gazillion other units to try to get this team an identity!!!

By #21=Top 50,1stBallot

February 12, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Ken,

Just want to say quality break in tone for with the THIS FOOL HAD JJ… bit. Though I have disagreed with you from time to time (re: Duck v Smoov), I do agree that Woody’s rotation is dubious considering his coaching style (or lack there of). If we are going to run (YES) we should rotate more players. If we dont run(NO), then a tighter rotation is acceptable- though still not optimal.

As far as a strategy, I think it would be ok if we started the game in a “traditional” offense, more half court oriented. Then about 6-7 minutes into the qtr, when Chills usually enters the game, we get pick up the tempo and begin running. Reasons for this:

1. Chills is our best finisher at the hoops (body control) and excels at leaking out.

2. Our second unit is better than a lot of second units we will face, more capable of running.

3. It will give JJ a chance to rest toward the end of the qtr- since it’s my belief he doesnt like to rest anyway.

4. It allows flexibility with substitutions- an actual advantage of all these “6’8” players.

5. Running requires less coaching “strain” on Woody.

I’m not predicating running on Chills or any particular timing schedule, just think that it might be worth a look. We have a # of players who can initiate a break Horford and Smoov as well as ample finishers. It also gives us some experience playing half court offense so that WHEN we have lead in the late 4th, Woody will have a model of how the squad has performed against a particular opponent in the half court thus far. Thoughts…

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

Stan Van Gundy was lucky to get that Orlando job. He needs to be thanking Billy Donovan. He must be crazy, calling out D.Howard, who’s averaging 20 and 10, at least. I could see if it was Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, or Jerry Sloan. But, Stan Van Gundy? PLEASE! He wont be in Orlando very long. He’s lucky D.Howard is a stand up guy ON AND OFF the court or this would be a huge problem. He should have talked to Dwight, man to man. You dont call out your best player to the media. What an idiot!

By doc

February 12, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

yeah ken baby, style effort and strategy are not a real obvious part if this team. again this team is learning how to win, unfortunately the coach is along for the ride as well. too many rookies, maybe the next time they will fill up woody’s car. what do you think manny t man? that would get a few laughing here in stereo.

ken cool how someone came and went today without a single real look or response by anyone. most respond initially by attempting to get their attention to maybe what is appropriate if they want to stay around, when they cant get it they are significantly ignored as soon as their post comes up. shame they cant enjoy the party, it is what it is and it is their choice.

volman, i’ll be at the game tonight courtesy of the good man jhan and i will be loud especially if it involves the refs. nothing like THE FRONT ROW literally not the one that is made famous by uecker

By mykhalc

February 12, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

VOLMAN, my trade would be MARVIN, SALIM and whomever else for MIKE MILLER. i haven’t looked at the salaries to match but that would be the one i’d start with. CHILS does toooo many things IMHO to give him up now. now if the BASG KNOWS they will not resign him at the end of the year then ya gotta look to move him too!!! but man, i’m clueless about what this franchise can do, will do, is able to do!! CLUELESS!!!!

By Melvin

February 12, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

Mike Miller, JR Smith and Jamaal Magloire(misp) need to be in a Hawks uniform before the end of this week. Heck, we should also trade Salim to Phx for the rights to our draft pick. They don’t want to add more salary especially since they acquire SHAQ.

By Dark Ryder

February 12, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

mykhalc Atlanta has no concept of what to do with Childress, which is symbolic of how inept this organization is from top to bottom.

Since this isn’t baseball and they can’t unload him for D-League prospects, they will probably let him go for nothing considering they won’t be able to sign him long term.

Unfortunately a trade for Mike Miller would not be the answer for the Hawks. Woodson wouldn’t know how to use him since he actually has the ability to shoot the rock. He would have Miller play down low and take away his greatest strength.

Atlanta should unload Josh Childress, Salim, Zaza and Shelden Williams to Memphis for the rights to Kwame Brown.

Not only do they get the cap space, but all he would have to do is provide rebounding and defense, which Al Horford will need help with once he hits the rookie wall in a few weeks.

Tonight’s dismantling by Detroit will only help fuel the rumors.

However, after the game ASG will send out inane press releases stating that “The Hawks are still in the playoff race and therefore no deals are necessary”.

Please give up the notion that Atlanta will ever be anything more than a plodding halfcourt offense with a fast break roster.

By richbrave

February 12, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

doc:

Thanks for the vine man. Swinging through the jungle like I do, sometimes you need a friend to give you a hand up. Hey no harm-no foul. I’m sure ANDO is a cool guy, and I’m just trying to pick up a few pointers. No hidden agenda. I like the Hawks young players from the intensity and energy they have had playing against the Wizards. Of course Atlanta’s my baseball team. Anyway, thanks again for the post.

By MannyT

February 12, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

terrell While you might not like Stan Van calling out Howard, he knows that his forwards are both 6’ 10” small forwards. He needs Howard to rebound with a vengeance. If he does not, they often lose, because Hedu & Rashard don’t hit the boards like power forwards should.

Volman I hang out in the cheap (300s) season tix section. It is ridicu-d*mn-diculous how many folks come to cheer the road teams. At least this season the crowd will get behind the Hawks and defend the arena. Unfortunately, it starts with the road team and then we cheer them down as a reaction.

You should have heard the upper level giving the Lakers fans the blues earlier this month. It was a proud moment.

mykhalc I like Chills at the point. It makes us run more because we don’t want him hoisting those dead animal shot put efforts from the outside. However, all those layups and dunks lead to a great shooting percentage.

Maybe we can break the Rasheed/Roscoe curse tonight. I’ll buy a $5 popcorn as soon as AC or Mario hits the court to support the rookies!

By Ken Strickland

February 12, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

DOC-I not only noticed it, I also noticed the tone in which he used to reentered the forum. It told me his initial responses were really for the purpose of stiring the pot to get instant recognition.

We desperately need to bring in another shooter, preferably one with some size. QUESTION: How many think trading JSmith, Zaza, and our expiring contracts to Philly for Delambert, Korver and their 1st rd pick would be a good trade?

By mykhalc

February 12, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Dark Ryder, the thought of you, HB ANDRO, and ANAKIN JOE all on this blog at once would ‘cause sure and definite IMPLOSION!!!LOL but i definitely understand the need for your appearance!!! let’s hope you alter-ego bro Ryder is able to show himself again soon!!! in the meantime, you are right about the pure ineptness of this franchise!!! it’s sickenin’!! and to top it off, the players are even sayin’ things have to change!! how ‘bout that for wantin’ to see new teammates and maybe HC!!???!!!

By Tiger Woo

February 12, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Dark Ryder,

You need to return from the dark side.

“Atlanta should unload Josh Childress, Salim, Zaza and Shelden Williams to Memphis for the rights to Kwame Brown”.

Kwame Brown? Goodness, No !!!

By Astro Joe

February 12, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Dark Ryder, I understand the transformation. Did it myself last year. And the darkness is creeping back again. I’m hopeful to keep it subdued until around 9/1. By then, we would have finished our off-season moves. It will be real hard not to go to “Darth Joe” if Woody is retained, but I’m holding on to the Star that still shines positive light. There is no progress without a struggle.

By Tiger Woo

February 12, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

Ken Strickland,

Kyle Korver is with Utah now …

I don’t like any trade involving Josh Smith.

By mykhalc

February 12, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

KEN, KORVER is shootin’ the 3’s for UTAH now!!!

By Tiger Woo

February 12, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

If Josh Smith either develops a consistent jump shot (or stops using his current version) he will be that much better.

Although I would like to see J-Chill acquire some sort of perimeter game, he seems to know his limitations with his jump shot and plays to his strenghts.

By doc

February 12, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

ken i didnt even bother to look at the drivel he might have written, shame some come on in such a way. just dont have time for it.

richbrave, stick around, good to get some input from other viewpoints especially from someone who follows another team. you might find some buds up in dc to carry on with in person from this blog as we have at least three cool dudes in the dc area. also know you are level headed from what i have read on the braves blog.

hey ken, i just found out about korver when i suggested that name to ando at the game friday as a possible trade. you can imagine the smug look on his face as he informed me i missed one. since i knew utah was on a run i was at least able to come back with i guess he is making a difference there. heh heh

id buy it at 10 if rens were there to sell it manny t otherwise i’ll settle for a pretzel at half time as an excuse for another beer. also you got to respect that there were about four or five swinging from the vines yesterday with no where to fall so you might have gotten caught in that a bit as well. after three years here it seems some come with only a sense of malevolence.

By Stu

February 12, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

I’m glad Sekou thought the popcorn prank was newsworthy. Count me in the group that thinks that he is definitely holding back on what is really going on with the team. I think that’s been the nature of beat writers these days anyway. They are less journalists and more sycophants/mouthpieces for team management. Hey Zo, how about working on your game or showing some leadership by taking the players to task for that goose egg they laid in Houston. J Kidd would be a perfect fit for this team but sadly, our cap situation for next year is such a mess that I doubt it would happen. Also would love to see a Larry Brown or Mike Fratello come in and coach this team. Where the hell is Billy Knight? Hey Sekou, how about grilling him on Shelden? How about an in depth expose or interview on what is really going on at Spirit (i.e. keep costs low!)?!? I’m so over the Hawks, its ridiculous.

By GLid

February 12, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

How’s this for a trade…

We send Marvin, Lo, and Salim to Memphis for Mike Miller.

This would work for Memphis because it’s apparent they’re entering rebuilding mode. Lo and Salim’s contracts run out after this year, giving Memphis an additional $4m to go after whomever they please. Marvin would sweeten the deal because he’s a good midrange shooter at SF.

This would work for us because we need shooters. Right now Marvin can space out defenses a little with his shooting, but Miller would space them out even more. He’d have plenty of opportunities with JJ’s penetration and Josh’s budding low-post game.

I’m pretty sure everyone can agree we won’t miss Lo. For those of you who aren’t ready to give up on Salim yet all I have to say is that he’s a pure shooter. That’s really it. He can’t beat anyone off the dribble, he’s not quite a liability on defense but he’s not far from it. Redick was better at everything Salim was in college except defense and his best case scenario is a good 6th man on a bad team.

We’d be trading for a player slightly better stats than Marvin but multiple times the outside shooting ability. Marvin doesn’t like to bang - he has some smooth moves down there but he’s never going to be a real presence, at he rebounds poorly for a player of his height and jumping ability.

Right now we just don’t have an option when teams collapse in on us defensively, and Miller would solve that problem.

That being said we need to lock up Chills and Josh soon, their stocks only rising, and when we make the playoffs and if either of them steps it up a notch it’s only going to cost us more to resign them.

By cp

February 12, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

I don’t even see us in the rumor sections about possibly making a move. The sad part is BK and this broke ownership probably feel that just because we are positioned to make the playoffs now that we dont meed to make any moves. The teams behind us are not that far off from surpassing us. All it takes is us going on another losing streak and the teams below us getting in a good rythm and then its over. Make a damn move and improve this team

By JohnGTFan

February 12, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

I knew I said I was going away but I just can’t. Of all the people available for trades, and there are now a lot, these morons (BK and Spirit) better do something.

By honest_abe

February 12, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

i don’t see the hawks making any major move. they might trade for yet another journeyman pg for a future 2nd rounder. heh

too bad it doesn’t seem like woody is going anywhere either.

has anyone seen someone miss as many dunks as marvin this year? when his jumper ain’t going down he’s absolutely worthless. bah!

By MannyT

February 12, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this

DarkRyder are you going to get one of those helmets like Vader and start breathing all slow and heavy until things change…or just buy a t-shirt from Clyde?

doc The coach hazing is the undisputed right of football. Where else do you get to drench the boss with a cooler full of drink to celebrate.

I do expect at least one of the Hawks (Lorenzen or the rookies) to sell popcorn at the next Hawks Foundation charity event.

If the lack of trades is all about (the lack of) ASG cash, I say move some expiring unrestricted FA contracts for a cost effective defensive big man and scout the D-League all star game for the best available shooter (or play Salim if you can find him. He might be on the concourse making popcorn for the next battle ;-)

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

Ken, you nailed it! Woody has to have control of something, no matter what. That’s his problem. Great comment!

By DarkRyder

February 12, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

MannyT …. and yes I will breathe slowly as I blog.. in part because I will be slowly dying inside watching the Hawks become decimated before my eyes….. besides, Clyde has yet to respond to my request for t-shirts for my whole family (for some reason my wife, Padme, err, poohbear, refuses to join me in this endeavor)

…..I miss Anakin Joe, although I await the birth of Darth Joe pending the offseason moves and subsuquent desire of ASG to operate on the cheap.

…mykhalc I sense the force is great in you…your anger towards the incompetence of the front office grows with each defeat and one day you will join ANDO, Darth Joe and myself as the Hawks reach their impending doom.

….my heart goes cold and my pain grows as I watch Detroit pick Atlanta apart one, by one, by every last one tonight….silence reigns as this incompetent coaching buries this roster……

….tiger woo oh how naive you have become, but it’s not your fault. you still believe that the ASG cares about winning, so did Ryder, and look at where he is now. No, they care about saving money, so they will do everything they can to shed a buck, winning be damned.**

By DarkRyder

February 12, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

terrell barron Woodson can’t control his own bowel movements much less an NBA roster. DarkRyder loathes Woodson that much!

Privately the players want him gone but don’t want to come off sounding like malcontents, so they put up with his ineptitude.

Unfortunately that also means we must put up with it, as he gets over coached tonight against Detroit.

Remember that “CliffHanger” game from The Price is Right? and the yodeling music that kept playing as the guy kept going up the mountain? That should be the theme music the rest of the season for the Hawks as they stumble towards the crash from which they never recover.

By richbrave

February 12, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this

Good luck tonight, Hawks fans.

By richbrave

February 12, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

doc:

Level-headed? Me? Sometimes I wonder. I feel bad. All you all had to push past my outburst with Ando. Guess I shouldn’t have ribbed him to begin with. Apologies all around, especially to ANDO. Haven’t gone off like that since the racists (white and black) tried to invade O’Brian’s space.

By Malone

February 12, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

Just tried this trade on ESPN trade machine and it works:

Hawks get: JERMAINE O’NEAL

Pacers get: CHILLS SHELDEN WRIGHT LUE ZAZA

By MannyT

February 12, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

Malone,

If you had the Pacers team would you do that deal?

If you are the Hawks, do you want to carry that 20MM salary through 2010 knowing that he has missed a bunch of games this year and last, you have no 1st round pick, and still need a PG, a shooter &someone to pick up the slack when JO is out.

By Ken Strickland

February 12, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the update on Korver. A day late and a dollar short I guess. Man, we need another shooter bad. Of course, if we got one we’d have to hope he could stay out of Woodson’s doghouse.

How many of you remember the days when Hubie Brown coached the Hawks. He started out using a 2 platoon system. He didn’t employ an uptempo OFF, but he did employ an uptempo full court pressure DEF. A minimum of 10 players got mins each gm and there were no complaints about PT.

Hubie understood the advantage of forcing teams to use up extra mins getting the ball accross half court. He knew deflections and forcing players out of position to help get the ball accross the line reduced half court time of possession. The idea was to give teams no more than 10-12secs to initiate their OFF. Increasing steals and turnovers also increased easy scoring opportunities.

Imagine how effective we’d be if we used a full court pressure DEF. Teams with size, like Houston, would be at a decided disadvantage. Man, we have the talent, depth and versatility to make it work big time. We just don’t have a HC that can/would make it happen or even handle the responsibilities.

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this

Manny T, there’s nothing wrong with calling a player out, just dont do it in public! That s** usually, only works for Hall of fame coaches, who have proved themselves in this league. Riley, Jackson etc.. Stan has proven nada.

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this

He’s the one that wanted Rashard. He knew before hand that he didnt rebound worth a damn. So now he calls out D.Howard instead of calling out Hedo and Lewis for not helping out on the glass. He called out the wrong player(s).

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

PITIFUL! Just PITIFUL! 2 for 11 to start the game.

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

When will Woody realize, that we’re not built for the half-court game, ESPECIALLY against the Pistons? Why is this man so freakin stubborn? He was an assistant just 5 years ago, and for some reason he thinks he knows it all. Let the guys run, man. Quit playing only 7-8 players. If you continue to do these things, it’s over. By the way, will somebody put a hand in Rasheed’s face, for crying ouit loud.

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this

Did you guys just see that play that Chill just made under the basket, where he made that reverse layup? There’s no way Marvin makes that play if he were still in the game. no way!

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

Sorry Marvin, I’ve tried to support you, but this team players a hell of a lot better when Chill’s in and your’re out. That’s just the way it is, my man.

By mykhalc

February 12, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

DarkRyder, great dark one, your words are true!!! but i will try to stay in the light for now. as my CHEROKEE/CREEK grandmother told my mom, ‘may the gods have mercy if that boy ever goes astray ‘cause he ain’t comin’ back’!!!! but my light is dimmin’, no doubt!!!!!

no game for me tonite. need a break from the madness!!!

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 7:35 PM | Link to this

How about an isolation for Joe, with the 1st quarter winding down? Brilliant Woody, just brilliant.

By drmaryb

February 12, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this

Hey DOC

you may have read a comment of mine out of context…there were several blogs leading up to that one abut the immature kid blogging on the “Grown Folks Blog” at the ZONE-BLOG. I was just saying the kids should eat at the kids table.

The blogger had childish comments about race/racism. We don’t need that junk on here. We are NOT here to attack the players ethnic backgrounds.

just their love for the game we love so much.

Sorry, if that didn’t come out right. I promise to be more careful next time I get on a roll. I would never want to offend anyone on here especially the KIDS. I love the KIDS!

By jami$$ion

February 12, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

SOME1 POSTED ABOUT HUBIE COACHING I’D LUV DAT HIS TEAMS PLAY THE GAME AS IT IS SUPPOSE 2 B PLAYED AS A TEAM,HE’LL REALLY MAXIMIZE OUR TALENT. GOOD LOOKING. MY ONLY ISSUE IS DO U GUYS TRUTHFULLY WANT A TRADE? ACTUALLY A TRADE FOR A BETTER A STILL ONLY TAKE US SO FAR,4 DA IMPORTED PLAYER ONLY MASKS THE REAL PROBLEM, MEANWHILE OUR TRADED POTENTIAL REACHES THIER PLATEU OF EXCELLENCE ON ANOTHER TEAM AND WE WILL TASTE THE LEMONS AS USUAL.PS I WOULDN’t TAKE JO 4 CHILLS STR8 UP HE’S THRU LARRY HOLMES FLABBY N SICK

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

If Marvin falls down, while driving to the basket, one more freakin time, I’m going to SCREAM!

By preston

February 12, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this

I have to admit that that was a very exciting 3 quarter for the Hawks……this is what the fans want…….a competitve team with heart that pushes the ball on the offensive side of the board, and plays solid defense on the defensive side of the board………….and Jo-bling Josh Smith is making your basketball IQ look very low right about now.

By drmaryb

February 12, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this

Hey ANDO,

What’s got your skirt in a ruffle?
Don’t hate the players hate the game. We’re just having fun on here…maybe you need to take a break and go on vacation, sounds like things are getting a little tense for you.

We just love our HAWKS and want to see them win.

“Just win Baby!” - Art Modell-

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this

To everyone that I’ve ever offended, for trying to stick up for Marvin Williams, I APOLIGIZE. If there is a trade t be made, he has to be the odd man out. Oh my God, he’s been driving me crazy lately, and I just dont see improving enough to get us where we want to be. I hope I’m wrong, but I just dont see it. He sure seems mighty clumsy right now. And oh yeah, theres another player that we passed on (Stuckey) lightening it up tonight, while the guy we picked(Law) cant see the floor. Whats up with that?

By preston

February 12, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this

Terrell Brandon-…….lol….Marvin does not have very good coordination……he spots up well when open, but put someone on him, and it seems like he always loses the ball or falls to the ground.

By Astro Joe

February 12, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this

Prediction, with about 5:00 left in the game. If this game is close at the end and Woody has to call a play, he needs to call a play for Josh Smith and NOT JJ. And if JJ misses and we lose, we lose tomorrow night against Bobcats.

Book it!

By JohnGTFan

February 12, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this

Am I the only one who would feel better if ATL was playing from behind? LOL Oh, and the ONLY 2 untouchable players ATL should NEVER trade are Horford and Smith…EVERYONE else should be available. One more thing..how is ATL not up by 15 with Billups shooting 1 for 9? LOL

By drmaryb

February 12, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this

Hey RichBrave Baby

Just knocked off for the day! wanted to give you a shout-out before I make like a baby and head on out!

Hey if that mean old guy is giving you a hard time? Don’t worry, I got your back like a “Bobby Knight Tight Red Sweater”

You can just blog to me and ignore that other guy. We won’t call his name. Otherwise how bout them “WIZS” How did you become a fan of theirs? Are you from there? or Here?

Well have a great day, I am listening to a very competitive game on NBA League Pass. It’s 4-mins left in the game and 86-84 Hawks …. wooee Nellie.

By JohnGTFan

February 12, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this

Someone please tell me the last time JJ showed up for a big game. Just one!

By JohnGTFan

February 12, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

Another classic meltdown. If a trade isn’t made now and/or Woodson fired, I’m selling my tickets for the Mar 17 game here in DC. Be easy to sell them in DC…fans actually want to see their TEAM play. I’m done.

By JohnGTFan

February 12, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this

Nice game JJ. Too bad he can’t give his All-Star spot (which he doesn’t deserve) to JS (who completely deserves it)!

By Mac-Town

February 12, 2008 9:32 PM | Link to this

Joe Johnson is NOT an all star right now

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

Can we please go to someone besides Joe, when we need a big shot. How many air balls does he have to throw up, before somebody else gets a chance? The Woody Woodpecker show goes on.

By hawksfan

February 12, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this

Airball!!! JJ sucks nowadays

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this

You called it Astro. Give it to Joe and everbody else move out of the way. And, why didnt we try to get the ball out of Billups’ hand? Woody is an idiot!

By JohnGTFan

February 12, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Hawks…….S.O.S. Same Ol Sh%%

By richbrave

February 12, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

drmaryb:

From Richmond and a Braves fan - hence RichBrave. Made amends and I presume peace with the bloggers here. Lost my cool and went overboard which I’m not proud of. But all is forgiven I suppose. I get surly late at night. Won’t stay up ‘till the wee hours from here on.

But enough about me. How you dooin’? Hawks are in it late I see by the posts. Too bad I can’t pick-up the game. Don’t have the extras through Verizon. Gonna’ be hurtin’ and missin’ my Braves this year. July ‘09 I’ll dump my Verizon contract and go Direct T.V. Do you care for baseball? If so check out O’Brian’s blog. Chip Jones was on around 2:30 p.m. U KNO WHO is the byte line. Don’t you think it would be cool if some of the Hawks players breezed by and dropped some hot info on the folks here? When the Geek Squad fixes my e-mail I’m gonna’ post up Gilbert Areanas and see if he’ll post by here. He’s really a great guy and off the hook funny. Well, taking up too much space. Have a great evening. I’m gonna’ be a grand-dad AGAIN. #4. My youngest this time. Far out. Gotta’ go eat my mush and go to bed. The chickens have gone to roost. How about you girl. A Valentine on the horizon? Hope so. You should be happy. Don’t know what part of the medical field you’re in, but I know it would be depressing to be an EMT or in Emergency care. Well, gotta’ go. Toodles. Keep the FAB FIVE workin’.

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this

Here comes the Nets! Their up against the Timberwolves. We might be in the 8th spot at the break.

By buckhead Benny

February 12, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

Let’s all Keep rooting for Belkin- I really do believe he won’t take this sh’t- Woodson’s gone-
Billy Knight is way gone-

I think Billy and Woody must be lovers- They can’t part with out each other. Amazing that we are a running team with a 7 man rotation- It’s not like we have to play 82 regular games much less the playoffs-

Im sure Woody know’s what he’s doing though- I am sure our starters legs will be more fresh by playoff time.

F—k the spirit!! NO BALLS- Who owns this Team Billy Knight or Mike Woodson??

By hawksfan

February 12, 2008 10:00 PM | Link to this

We’re already in the 8th spot, nets won tonight.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 12, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this

Joe Johnson doesn’t need to be traded. He hasn’t lost a step. What he needs is about 5 games off to rest his sprained ankle. It’s not fair to expect him to produce at peak level when he’s playing with an injury. It’s nice that he is trying to play through it, but clearly it is hurting the Hawks right now. Sit him for 5 games or so, let the offense run through Josh Smith and Al Horford, and give the young’uns in the backcourt more playing time. This way the young players get more minutes, the team learns to close out games without relying on Joe Johnson, and Joe gets to rest his ankle up for the stretch run.

It makes perfect sense… which is why it will never happen, I guess.

By Volman

February 12, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this

MANNY T, maybe I might be sitting near you. I am in section 303…Row 2… The loud white guy.. haha.

A great game by the Hawks to come back, but Chauncey was too much in the end….

Does anyone know where Joe Johnson went?

By ILL-logical

February 12, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

POINT TO PONDER: On the Hawks promo run during the game,televised on the FS network, the had MW,Al and JJ as the festured players.

This is not good!

BK if you do this you are… …

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this

Your right, here comes Philly and Chicago.

By mykhalc

February 12, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

VOLMAN, shoulda had CHILS on BILLUPS instead of AJ!!! classic WOODSON to not know how to match up!!!

By terrell barron

February 12, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this

Joe needs to rest during the All-Star break. PERIOD!

By Clyde

February 12, 2008 10:23 PM | Link to this

Another night another a$$ whippin’. When will the a$$ whippins’ cease? I’m tired off this. I was tired 2 years ago but yall kept saying give Woody a chance. Now look at us. Still running the same plays, still losing leads late, and still sorry as hell. Something needs to be done. My suggestion is trade JJ and get back in the first round of the draft. Build this team around Jsmooth, Horford, Chills, and Law. This season is over. Enough is Enough!!!

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By new jersey faithful

February 12, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this

THE MORE I WATCH THE HAWKS, THE LESS I LIKE JOE JOHNSON!!!!

By Sean

February 12, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

I agree with Clyde. Get some value back for JJ. Please tell me we don’t trade JSmooth.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY! Please let the (off the court) court stuff play out quickly, so a REAL owner can buy out the ASG.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY!

By doc

February 12, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

okay comments on the game.

first of all, loud crowd for the hawks even tough flooded with piston jerseys. did my best to get and provoke sheed who i love into the second t. he wouldnt abide though he called the ref a bi*ch.

some of the hawks dancers gained more weight than i did for the holidays. swimsuit ready some of them arent.

blog z in great form after the game, a true prince. i guarantee you he wasnt worried about the lack of blocks called for j smith. wont share but some real good opinions that arent to be repeated here.

guarantee the person more surprised with the last substitution of marvin for horford than me was marvin. i was able to look right into his eyes, i assure you i was more ready and willing to go in there than marvin was at that point, 3 beers or not.

as far as marvin, i wonder how many players in the nba have the same percentage made from 18 ft as they do from 2. yes marvin cant finish at the basket nor shoot the open shot consistently.

now from the told you so list, though i might have missed on the three spot thinking yi is the man and i think he will be given time and a system to play in which of course he wouldnt have gotten here but that is besides the point right and i digress? stuckey is much more developed and confident than acie has been all year and oh yeah he can make the shot from 2 or 20. well make it two players that shoot the same from 2 and 18 on the hawks. unfortunately with acie it is 0% from both areas. sorry myk he deserves the spot next to salim. the guy has been broken and the popcorn didnt help his game one bit. stuckey is the guy i suggested just as i did with roy and we will be sorry bk didnt listen to me, he is a stud.

and yes terrell because you have been quick to dispute it i think, even if roy had been on the team we would have had a very similar draft position since roy missed a good twenty games to start the season and was first thought to be brittle. his presence would have forced woody to get some milage out of rens since we would have been short a “big” without shels around to pick up the slack. that might have gotten us a few less wins right there but a good popcorn popper and popcorn placement assessor

saw none other than gm joe dumars at the game. gee i remember when he was a svelt quick point guard. he now looks more to be along the lines of the frig perry and ready for the middle guard position on a pro football team.

ok, ill propose a trade marvin, acie and sheldon for miller and crit. i also think crit will finish ahead of acie in the long run. any trade only speaks to bk’s inability to get it right the first time so i doubt it as his ego which is greater than ando but not as vociferous.

after this morning i can truly say ando is somehow a mish mash of rodney dangerfield, howard cosell and mohamed ali all wrapped up into one. how you say? gee easy, “i get no respect”, “i tell it like it is” and “i am the greatest”. richbrave you had no idea who you were taking to …. some times even we dont, those that love him the most. heh heh. by the way i have already said this to him face to face, he only confirmed it early this am.

more may come up but i can say right now that jhan insisted and told me to say all this.

really fun game. shame we didnt win as we could be legitimately 7 to 8 games below .500 after this road trip. oh and did i say we need a shooter, big and a point guard in that order to make a real run at the playoffs. maybe the BASG can come up with the dollars to do it. yeah dream on hawks fans.

By hawksfan

February 12, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this

Trading joe johnson is not a good idea. Hawks will be a better running team but will have no half court offense whatsoever. Even if josh has a big night they will still lose.

By ray

February 12, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

Loss to Pistons: not a surprise.

Joe, I’ll take you up on that prediction. No, I’m not arguing…I’m agreeing. The Bobcats need a win worse than we do. They could get it against us if we’re not careful. Another thing to remember: Gerald Wallace and Jason Richardson LOVE playing against us. Then again, I would too if knew Marvin Williams was guarding me…

Volman, Volman, Volman! Good to see you dude.

drmaryb, actually it was the football relic known as Al Davis who said “Just win, baby”. As in Al Davis, owner of the Raiders…is that guy still alive, even?

By DarkRyder

February 12, 2008 11:01 PM | Link to this

I see many of you are joining me and Ando on the dark side. Darth Joe we are waiting for you.

Clyde I am waiting for my T-Shirt, or must I resort to more forceful tactics?

JohnGTfan I want those tickets on March 17th so I can watch as Atlanta continues to falter with p*ss poor playing. We must talk.

By doc

February 12, 2008 11:02 PM | Link to this

ray, yes, standing alongside of elvis not moving much more but still moving air.

By Corey

February 12, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this

ANOTHER LOSS..I can’t take it no more….Hawks need to make some moves…Marvin….hey try a lay up instead of all those blown dunks…Josh Smith…he is our ALL-STAR;;;Joe, dude have some pride….your last two shots were pitiful…JJ never shows up in big games…and why was’nt T Lue on the floor for a three point attempt…coaching is a mess. Zaza…stay out of the apparel mart and spend more time in the gym…AC…should be against the Law….Al Horford, Josh Smith Smith and Josh Childress must stay..the others guys can be traded…including Joe…even when his shot is not falling, he shows NO LEADERSHIP on the floor….

By Atl Flavor

February 12, 2008 11:34 PM | Link to this

The RUMOR at the game was the HAWKS are in DEEP with SAC for Mike Bibby for expiring deals of AJ Lue Lo Wright and Shelden. The Kings have tanked and Bibby wants out BUT to a contender. The Knicks Cavs and Heat are pushing hard to get him. Come on Billy lets moveeeeee something!!!!

By ray

February 12, 2008 11:36 PM | Link to this

Doc, might have to agree on your opinoin of Crittenton vs. Acie. He has more raw talent capability. And with Acie being subjected to Woody-ism…well, that’s a guaranteed result.

terrell barron, you may as well drop it. Woody doesn’t know how to run, and passes that fear on to his players. But we have a few well-known facts here: This team is built to run. This team is still missing some pieces that would be present on a successful running team (steady running pg, shooters). This team has a coach that would desperately like to no run, but has little choice. He’s a half-court offense coach. The coach doesn’t even know good half-court offensive sets. Now, take all of that into perspective and tell me who’s fault it is….that’s right, you already know the answer, don’t you? Just as frustrated as you are, I assure you that I am…

By Mel

February 12, 2008 11:55 PM | Link to this

Everyone keeps suggesting trade Joe, saying he doesn’t come up in big games, but I would like to see how easy it is for anyone to score 20+ points a night when the defense knows what is coming. There is only so much he can do. As we all know, Woody is not the greatest at X’s and O’s, asking Joe to dribble past his man night in and night out in an iso is going to work but so many times. Believe it or not but he creates space for Josh Smith, not the other way around. Trade Joe and watch them struggle even more to score.

By MannyT

February 13, 2008 12:43 AM | Link to this

Volman I’ll definitely find you the next game. I ended up talking with a guy I know so I never made it to my seat in 303 row G.

It was great to see the team work its way back in the 3rd quarter, but we have to learn how to finish a game. mykhalc when will Woody learn that Chills is a strong defensive option against normal speed PGs?

By reese

February 13, 2008 12:49 AM | Link to this

At least the game was entertaining. Some small tweaks that I would like to see Woodson make are

1)Let AC play the point and Tlue play the 2 guard to give JJ some rest.

2)Go back to half court traps and jump switches. I have not seen the hawks do this in awhile.

3)Play Josh Smith more at the 3 spot along with Zaza and Al Horford. The same could be done with Solomon, Josh Smith and Al horford.

Also, Sekou, please report on Woodson’s viewpoint on the NBDL and why he won’t send his players to that league to develop.

Finally, who is the hawks strength and conditioning coach. Doesn’t he see that our players are falling down too much when bumped and not bumped (Marvin Williams).

Hawks players are not able to hold on to the ball when the other teams players slap at it. This can be helped by simple things like finger tip pushups, squeezing hand grips(I think thats what their called) and being cognizant of the fact that they need to hold the ball tighter when grabbing a rebound or pass.

By reese

February 13, 2008 12:54 AM | Link to this

Doc, I too am disappointed with this years and last years hawks dance team.

But Harry the hawk sure can dance and entertain the crowd.

By the way, the grapefruit sizes were there as well.

By jami$$ion

February 13, 2008 1:37 AM | Link to this

A MEL JUST WANNA SHED SUM LIGHT ON U. i’ll trade JJ quick he only has 2 years left on his contract and we ain’t gone resign him anyway dat a be around Al time 4 an extension.JJ ain’t a star in the clutch he fu(k i been saying this since day one, and as a man he sucks he should a been told woody 2 stop calling his number he know he hurting the team with all those airballs and tos, that divides a team more.AND WE’LL WIN WITHOUT THAT CLOWN BECAUSE WE’LL PLAY T E A M B A L L AND TAKE THAT 3RD GRADE COACH 2 LAME

By jami$$ion

February 13, 2008 2:03 AM | Link to this

AND ANOTHER THING SUIT SAYING WE NEED ANOTHER SHOOTER 2 COMPLIMENT JJ! NEWSFLASH JJ CAN’T SHOOT THAT DUCK LIKE 40pct,YEA HE CAN SHOOT SHOOT U OUT A GAME. BK I KNOW U HEAR ME TRADE THIS CLOWN 4 CURRY TRADE MARV 4 MIKE MILLER LOWRY BLAKE LUKE HELL SUM LI WHITE BOY WITH A SHOT PARGO ARROYO IT DON’T MATTER THIS CHUMP WORTHLESS. COMMONSENSE HOW CAN A BENCH PLAYER BE THE SECOND PICK IN THE DRAFT U AIN’T GOODENOUGH 2 START IN COLLEGE BUT I’M A MAKE U START IN THE PROS.DON’T STAY A JACKASS BK TRADE HIM N FI WOODY

By mykhalc

February 13, 2008 2:13 AM | Link to this

DOC, great post bro. can’t argue about the ACIE next to SALIM thing. LOL but i think we both see how easy it is for STUCKEY to be more confident than ACIE right now. afterall he plays on a confident team!!!! confidence breeds confidence!!! and good call on MARVIN’s deer in the headlights look. glad you captured that first-hand my friend. just kinda confirms some of the discussions here about his game.

i’m gonna say it…WOODSON is a stupid X and O coach. it’s that simple…PERIOD!!! he is beyond bein’ X and O challenged…pure stupidity regardin’ the X and O’s!!!

WOODSON’s gotta go…PERIOD!!!

By Volman

February 13, 2008 2:13 AM | Link to this

Myk, I knew when Acie was in for about 4 minutes that he wouldn’t see the floor the rest of the game…AHH! Do you like what Acie brings to the team? (I know what you think about Chills!!)

I really think the Pistons did a good job on stopping Chills on his baseline catches and dunks/layups.. He got blocked a good amount of times down there..they were ready for that.

Again, where the HECK was Joe Johnson tonight? Honestly, the crowd (for the most part) tried to get the Hawks back into it..and we did, but the guys just couldn’t get the stops they needed.

RAY, you are DA MAN!!!!!!!! How are things? Are you still keeping everyone in check on here? You posts are always right on with my thinking! Half of the time I want to post something, I’ll go and make sure it hasn’t already been said by you! hah.

-I am throwing it down in school so like I said earlier I’m bloggin’ again!! Woo!

I pray that I will be seeing some playoff basketball in Atlanta this year…PLEASE!

By Volman

February 13, 2008 2:26 AM | Link to this

I wish Marvin Williams knew how to dribble!!

It’s so frustrating to see him get stripped, then fall onto the court as if he were fouled. It’s sad!

By mykhalc

February 13, 2008 2:39 AM | Link to this

VOLMAN, i ‘liked’ what i saw early in the season and the pre-season. ACIE brought attitude, confidence, and game. i remember seein’ him play good ball against NASH when they played in ATL, KIDD, BILLUPS early on. in the pre-season he was postin’ cats up on the block. he kept the ball in his hands and just made plays!!! now, he’s been WOODYSIZED, a shell of himself!!!! it’s really sad to see WOODSON suck the life and game outta the players on the team!! and he has, no doubt!!

but that’s what cats do when they are insecure and need to/have to exhibit control!! WOODSON knows that his players think he is a/the weak link!!! in one of Sekou’s last articles NONE OF THEM really gave an endorsement or support to WOODSON!!! unless we call, ‘well we’ve won with WOODSON before too’ an endorsement!!??!!

it’s obvious that WOODSON breaks cats down instead of tryin’ to build them up!!! he’s truly handicappin’ this team!!!

and that’s what i think about ACIE’s game!!!LOL but i know ya feel me VOLMAN!!!

By Ra'mon

February 13, 2008 3:21 AM | Link to this

I PRAY the playoffs doesn’t GUARANTEE an extension for Woody.

By doc

February 13, 2008 7:05 AM | Link to this

yes woody sd loved and respected along with the rest of the coaches .. by the pistons players who made a point to come over before and after the game to strike up a brief conversation. think woody will have many offers when he steps down as head coach to be an assistant again for awhile as he digests his learning experience with the hawks. definitely a good practice coach.

yeah reese, one of my fav lines in music come to mind, i’d like to shake them trees … some might be in silicon valley though. makes the threads hang better, no?

By JohnGTFan

February 13, 2008 7:18 AM | Link to this

DarkRyder

I’m just talking out of frustration. As usual, I’ll still go support them, no matter how frustrated I am. Mainly because I love the team. I just hate the coach and ownership. But I may have an extra ticket if you want to go.

By JohnGTFan

February 13, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

Sekou

You know we all got nothing but respect for you. You and DOB are the only writers for the AJC with credibility, knowledge and passion…but to say last night’s game was a playoff preview? LOL LOL You must know that ATL is firing Woodson or making a big trade.

By preston

February 13, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

Last night’s episode of “The Woody Woodpecker Show” featured the Detroit Pistons, who dazzled the hawks while portraying the Harlem Globetrotters, with Chauncy Billups starring as Meadowlark Lemon…………while Woody, not to be outdone, countered, and orchestrated the Hawks to perform a slapstick version of the keystone cops, which included hoedown dancing to the musical theme of “The Beverly Hillbillies”. Ole Woody then brought the house down as he led the Hawks with an impromptu moonwalk into the locker room at halftime in honor of the 25th anniversary of Michael Jackson’s “Thriller” album. Even screenwriter, Billy “BK-Home Of The Whopper” Knight joined the fun by belting out a soulful rendition of his favorite song, “I Did It My Way”, to which the appreciative crowd showered him with plastic afro picks and bottles of Stay-Soft-Fro. A blushful and soaking wet Knight later admitted that this would be one of the few times that the audience would actually see him on the show. Please join us live from for another exciting broadcast of “The Woody Woodpecker Show”!! On a side note, media mogul Steve “Who Let The Dogs Out” Belkin was rumored to be seeking a move to take over the highly rated show, but current producers, (“Kiss My” ASG) had no comment.

By Astro Joe

February 13, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

Come on Doc, Frig Perry? Admit it, you’re exaggerating a little. He can’t possibly be as big as Sir Charles. Can he?

I’m pretty sure that the Hawks are 1-4 in games when Smith scores 26 or more. JJ looks like he just turned 35 and feels like 45. His legs seem to be gone. We all know that he needs to sit out the All-Star game and go take a 5 day nap.

And Doc, another thing. After Woody applied his Vulcan mind-meld to Stuckey, he would be as confused, tentative and emotionally fragile as Acie. Our coach has hollowed out the souls of Zaza, Shelden, Acie, Salim & Solomon so far. They are each the Tin Man, Lion and Scarecrow. No heart, no brains, no courage. Just empty shells.

By terrell barron

February 13, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Maybe we should have drafted 2 bigs last year. Horford and Sean Williams maybe. Woody refuses to let Acie play his game, so I have no idea if he’s our point of the future or not. I cant wait until the Summer League, where he’ll get a chance to play for someone other than Mr. Woodpecker.

By JohnGTFan

February 13, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Astro

That’s the best explanation of Woodson I’ve heard yet.

By I.MUS WRITE

February 13, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Props to my manz Rodney Stuckey,The yung’n did his thing last night. I called it on draft night - I said that this guy would be a good player. Enough already with the is he a true point or a combo guard. Stuckey is a baller period, Now how many people would take this guy at 11 if the draft were tomorrow…… ah ha thatz what i thought.

Acie Law - I jus dont know -he doesnt show me anything, o wait…. he can really light it up in garbage time. Itz way to early to call the guy a bust so Im with Astro Joe -

SEND ACIE TO THE NBDL- Where did the guy from A&M go, this is really wierd. Iz it Woody or did the guy lose sumthing over the summer……… Acie has hit a total of 6 jumpers this year that didnt come in crunch time…….. DAM

Marvin Williams…… PULLEEZ Where are the folks that want JS traded over Marvin. Thatz got to be the dumbest shyt i’ve ever heard.

“Marvin is a jumpshootyer only” He cant finish at the rim unless he’s wide open. Apparently he cant stand up and dribble at the same time either. The guy is all alone and falls down out of bounds - loses the ball only to have JS swat it away on the other end….. Marvin blows another dunk -got dam u uncordinated fool. From now til next training camp Marvin is the center piece of any kinda trade-Marvin and expiring contracts. Marvin for M.Miller straight up. Monta Ellis is really doing his thang I mean 81% is rediculous for anyone much less a 6ft 2guard. I cant believe he was drafted at # 40….. Wait a minute we drafted Salim over this dude,how good would he look next to JJ? JJ -Sumone put out an APB- this man is MIA again-I think this is game 20 or so. If not for Smoove we would have been blown out…… trade JS-Puleez for who?

I think Van Gundy did what he had to, I woulda pulled the guy to the side personally. D.Howard has to be a defensive presence for Orlando to win. They have guys to shoot the rock Lewis/Turkoglu. Dwight needs to be the enforcer not a jump shooter, Maybe Vangundy going public will make Dwight realize he’s been playing soft in the post.

LO Wright is the biggest waste of 3 million ever, a 7ft practical joker,you gotta be kidding me. Lo makes 3 mill and Magloire makes 4- a guy who could really help is rotting away in N.J. while this dufus is playn jokes on rookies…Thats our organization in a nutshell…..JOKE

       I.MUS... 2 to the left

By terrell barron

February 13, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

ATL flavor, would Bibby like to play along side Joe Johnson or King James? hummmmm

By Tom

February 13, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

Quick JJ stat. He has shot 40% or less 25 times out of 48 games. This is not what the Hawks paid $70M for. Yes, he plays too many minutes, is double teamed, etc. But all stars adjust by passing or speaking up. BTW, the Hawks are 8-17 in those games were Joe is having an “off” night - which is more than half the time.

JJ shares the blame with Woodson. Fire woodson and bring in a coach who will use a 9 or 10 man rotation with spot opportunities for his bench AND who has more than one play that he calls in the last two minutes of a game after a timeout. A curl off a screen for a 20’+ shoot from JJ. I think the other teams have caught on…

By I.MUS WRITE

February 13, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Jamisson-You may be on to sumthing. I would’nt trade JJ straight up for Curry,but I would try a JJ/Salim/Zaza for Curry/ Crawford

Marvin For Mike Miller ALL DAM DAY

Miller gives you what JJ does and maybe more. Curry is your low post scorer maybe 18/7 in our system. system??? Crawford at point guard, brakes down defenses and scores in bunches ………. we are 29th in the league from 3pt range. SUMBODY GOTTA GO PERIOD…… since JJ is MIA why not him, He looked horrible against Houston…….. ALL STAR-I THINK NOT

By jami$$ion

February 13, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

IMUS U R A GENIUS.I was actually thinking about the crawford running the point,but they a be short on the pg cuz marbury hurt, win says great minds don’t think alike.I would luv 2 get Hubie Brown a run with this team, Hope Woody and JJ get canned quickly.BK get on your job motivation!

By Don!

February 13, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

This is my opinion on how things will go down following last night’s loss. A loss where we really should have won, but we showed a lack of offensive discipline — especially in the fourth quarter.

I think that management is looking to make a personnel move. However, if we can’t make a trade — I think we’re at the point, that both the GM and Coach will be considered for replacement.

Bottom line, I think there’s one move in the near future for this group. If they can make a trade for a player, they will — but if they can’t — I think that management will try a change in leadership.

Either way, it’s time to do something — and that’s not something I’ve said in two years.

Later,

Don!

By I.MUS WRITE

February 13, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

8 dayz before the trade deadline and all iz quiet. If you’ve been following this team for years like myself you probably already know the deadline will come and go with no moves being made, too anyone in management reading -heres a deal that would’nt cost alot and could actually help

Marvin,Lo,ZAZA,Salim for Earl Watson, Delonte West,Petro

AJ could back up Earl Petro at center and AL goes to PF… the line up looks like

Earl/AJ/Acie JJ/ Delonte W/Chillz Josh S/Chillz Horford/Sheldon Petro/Al/Solo

Lo and Salim dont even play so it comes down to ZAZA and Marvin for

Earl,Delonte,petro

By doc

February 13, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

ok, aj caught me in a bit of hyperbole but i assure you he is more the fridge than an ex-star point guard on a championship team. he has not held his figure one bit, rather unhealthy looking to me. pretty cool to see him there after jhan pointed him out to me and close to the action looking rather inconspicuous. like the dude but flash may take me to my knees for saying it.

By Eric

February 13, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

To be honest with you guys, I believe the Hawks will begin to slide out of play-off contention if they lose tonight. They will be only one game in front of New Jersey for the 7th spot and 3 games in front of Indiana and Chicago with 32 games remaining after the all-star break. Then they have to play a five games on the road against the West (i.e., the Lakers, Sacramento, Golden State, Utah and San Antonio). The Hawks might get lucky and win one game against Sacramento. Since Woody does’nt know how to use all his players, and since the Hawks won’t be able to make any good trades before February 23, the Hawks will end up with a record only better than the following teams: Memphis, Clippers, Minnesota, Seattle, Miami, Charlotte (maybe), Milwaukee (maybe), and New York (maybe). Consequently, fellow Hawks fans, we could end up with the fifth worst record in the NBA. With the way this team has been coached, this can definitely happen. Please tell me what you think fellows.

By drmaryb

February 13, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

Hey Ray,

Al Davis - Yeah! great qoute by him..just CLASSIC. I don’t know where I got Art Modell from?

“Just Win BABY”

Anyway, thanks for reading my POST. I like to ready your stuff on here. Very insightful…keep it up!

The Hawks have got to make a move, or the players will definitely quit!

By Eric

February 13, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

To be honest with you guys, I believe the Hawks will begin to slide out of play-off contention if they lose tonight. They will be only one game in front of New Jersey for the 7th spot and 3 games in front of Indiana and Chicago for the 8th spot with 33 games remaining after the all-star break. Then they will have to play five games on the road against the West (i.e., the Lakers, Sacramento, Golden State, Utah and San Antonio). The Hawks might get lucky and win “one” game. Since Woody does’nt know how to use all his players, and since the Hawks won’t be able to make any good trades before February 23, the Hawks will end up with a record only better than the following teams: Memphis, Clippers, Minnesota, Seattle, Miami, Charlotte (maybe), Milwaukee (maybe), and New York (maybe). Consequently, fellow Hawks fans, we could end up with the fifth worst record in the NBA. With the way this team has been coached, this can definitely happen. Please tell me what you think fellows.

By terrell barron

February 13, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

I say trade JJ, for a first rdr. This years draft is loaded with talent, Points and Bigs. And deal Marvin and some contracts for Mike Miller. We can start Chills for (clumsy)Marvin.

By Pepsi

February 13, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

THE LOUSY HAWKS LOSE AGAIN! What are you gonna do Atlanta Spirit Group?? Yep thats what I thought, nothin…But atleast your thumbs are real busy, stuck up your lazy cheap @ssholes.

Maybe we can get Josh Childress to come over and explain in 3rd grade language with pictures and diagrams what needs to be done…

By I.MUS WRITE

February 13, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

Chillz is out for tonights game ….. he’s having an MRI on his knee. That doesnt sound good especially considering the guys injury history. Hope this is’nt Speedy part two.

We need a trade like yesterday and all i hear is ……….. crickets chirping

I heard Norcross High just offered Woody the assistant coahing position for next year………….YEAH!!!!!!!!!! take his azz please. LOL

By Melvin

February 13, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

With Chills being sideline for tonite’s game. Will SALIM get some playing time???? Stay tuned folks. Never know what could happen on the next episode of The Woody Woodpecker Show…

By WOW

February 13, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

Nets just got deeper. And with 2 first rounders, Harris, Stackhouse, Diop….they got a ransom for Kidd. Yes they gave up a Hall Of Famer but got a lot in return.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 13, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Another trade goes by with BK sitting on his azz doing nothing. Even in this Mavs-Nets trade, he really couldn’t come in and throw Lorenzen to the Nets while taking on Diop? Even a minor trade like that would have helped this team immensely. Both of them have expiring contracts, both of their salaries match up, and Diop would have clearly helped the Hawks’ playoff push more than Lorenzen. Clearly the Nets are looking to rebuild at this point, not contend for a playoff spot, so I’m sure they wouldn’t mind either. BK, DO SOMETHING!

By sweetd

February 13, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

I would like to see Atlanta send Sheldon Williams to Golden State for Mickael Pietrus. Send Marvin and Zaza to the Knicks for Eddy Curry. Our starting 5 would be Anthony Johnson, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Al Horford and Eddy Curry. Pietrus would come off the bench behind JJ.

By Melvin

February 13, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

I don’t think the JKidd trade is final as of yet. It will be interesting to see if this deal is finalize before the All-Star game. Being that JKidd has been voted to start and play for the East Conf All-Stars. If he plays for the West, would this East be allowed to add two more spots. One spot being vacant for Kidd’s departure and the other for Kidd addition to the west team. If so, maybe our very own JSmoove would be added to the all-star team….

By Melvin

February 13, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

Sweetd, if the Hawks are able to do business with the Knicks. I would like to see Speedy include in a package going to them. The Knicks are one of the few teams that wouldn’t mind eating his contract to get rid of some of their huge contracts/problem childs(Curry/Randolph.)

By preston

February 13, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

c’mon Billy “BK-Home Of The Whopper” Knight…..live up to your name, and let us the fans “have it our way”, and make a move to better this team, now!!!!!!!!

By hawksfan

February 13, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Jameson you would make a worse coach than woody. Just shut up man. Im tired of hearing your jj nonsense.

By terrell barron

February 13, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

If JJ was traded, Woody would still call his #, with the game on the line. Thats the only play he knows. lol (isolation for JJ). But seriously folks, It’s either JJ or Marvin, if we are to get something in return. JJ could get us a couple of good pieces, or he could get us a 1st rdr, which we desperately need. A (real) playoff contender would love to have him. And lets face it, this team is going absolutely nowhere, with this current roster. And to tell the truth, I dont think he wants to be here. As it pertains to Marvin, if we want to move him, we better do it now, or else it’s going to be too late, based on the way he’s been playing lately.

By drmaryb

February 13, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

Hey Clyde

Here’s the word on your boy TJ-Ford from HoopsHype:

“Unfortunately for the Raptors, Ford has almost no value now as teams fear he could be seriously injured on their watch. - Chicago Tribune -“

You still think the Hawks should trade Marvin and Chills for this guy? There’s more stuff on him not playing Monday for the Raptors due to Neck/Shoulder problems. Man we already got a broke-back-knee point guard on the bench.

Mr. Not-So-Speedy! Let’s move on, I was praying we would try to get Jason Kidd, but apparently he refused to consider us..Only a contender at his age it seems! I guess wer’re no contender …Huh?