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By randy

February 7, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

HORFORD FOR ROY!! Too bad Acie still stinks though. Atleast we can depend on Lue for some production given the right matchups.

By Jo Bling

February 7, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

I think the adoration for Josh Smith on this blog is getting out of hand. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a lot I like about Josh - his hustle and aggressiveness, and he is clearly the best shot blocker in the game. But he is a terrible decision-maker, and pretty much a maverick whose style of play doesn’t fit well within a team concept. I think he’s a real liability on offense because he’s so often out of control, and constantly damaging momentum (often the same momentum he created on the defensive end) with poor shot choices and errant passes. I think it’s worth noting that the hyperbolic praise for Smith on this blog is pretty much not shared by anyone outside of the Hawks community, especially scouts and talent evaluators for other teams. I’d be very surprised if he were to find his way onto the All-Star team - ever.

T-Lue is amazing. One of my favorite players - ever.

As for the crowd, that’s a huge disappointment. But I would say it’s more reflective of the sports culture in Atlanta in general, as opposed to just a Hawks thing. I went to see the Braves play the Red Sox at Turner Field last summer, and it was roughly 70 percent Boston fans. Crazy that we can’t turn out better support for our teams in the big games. Ordinarily I would say that it probably takes years of winning to change that kind of culture, but in the case of the Braves even success hasn’t worked. It’s just Atlanta.

By Jo Bling

February 7, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

And where was Acie last night? Very disappointing that the kid gets NO experience in a game like that one. Is he hurt? Something hasn’t seemed right lately.

By terrell barron

February 7, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

Acie stinks? I wouldnt go that far. I’ve seen a lot of promise from this kid. Give him some time! Sekou, I dont think I would put Marvin in the same sentence with Smoove and Horford. He’s WAY TOO inconsistent. When his shot is off, he needs to step it up in other categories, such as rebounding, assists, steals, blocks, etc…. For example, last night he had 12 points, 1 reb, and 1 assist, while Kobe had 11 points, 1 rebound, and (10) assists. I need to see more from Marvin, especially when the jumper isnt falling, before I can mention him in the same breath as Al and Josh S. Now with the way Chill has been playing, he should have been the one mentioned, not Marvin. That guy can do a little bit of EVERYTHING, something ya boy hasn’t learned how to do.

By steven

February 7, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Josh Smith is 22 years old, his shot improves every year, and he plays with a no fear attitude and is a mad man out there on the court. Add to that he is a hometown boy and does a fine job representing the A. He appears from the outside to have a good head on his shoulders, so what’s not to like? Imagine how good the hawks can be in 3 years, with Joe, Marvin, Josh, and Al as the centerpieces. Maybe we’ll get lucky and bring in J. Kidd for Childress, Shelden, Lorenzen Wright, and Anthony Johnson. If this team had J. Kidd running the point they would be legit title contenders in the East, and you can’t tell me every other team in the East would be scared as heck to face the Hawks in the playoffs. I plead to Billy Knight, make this move!

By gobirds42

February 7, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

great game last night. j-smooth is very wild and makes poor decisions but he makes up for it with hustle and energy plays that the fans and team feeds off of. one of those things we will have to live with. would u rather a calculated player like chill? i think chills and jj balance smooth’s wilder play. i also would like to think his decision making will improve with more time. he would be a senior if he went to school. thats wild. as for the crowd, it was laughable but oh so rewarding when we kicked their a*******es outta there crying. go birds

By I.MUS WRITE

February 7, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

Jo Bling-Josh deserves all the adoration he gets here. The guy single handedly keeps us in games with his play. Josh is a yung player who gets better each year,he is also still yung 22-so the shot selection will get better- and if it doesnt i will still take 17/9/9/5 on a nightly basis.

Confusing: “TLUE is amazing,one of my favorite players -ever”

WOW THATS UNBELIEVABLE: Just so im clear you value TLUE more than Josh?

I hope you are’nt base’n this on last night’s game-because Lue wont show like that every game….

Newsflash-Josh is way more valuable to this team than Lue. Just a couple weeks ago he was in the dog house, and got dogged here for his inability to push the ball or defend.

We should be shopping Marvin,AC,ZAZA,Sheldon and expiring contracts to get what we need

By Sekou K. Smith

February 7, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

Marvin has plenty of things you can knock about his game, as do all of these young cats who are still very much works in progress. But consistent is the one thing Marvin Williams truly is. He’s scored in double figures in 42 of the Hawks’ 44 games this season. NO ONE else on the roster can claim a scoring streak as consistent.

And I was talking about a starting group of frontcourt cats, so that’s why Childress wasn’t mentioned in the above item. But he’s certainly an extremely important part of this team’s mix.

I won’t even entertain the knocks on Josh Smith’s decision-making. Becuase if I have to take a few bad decisions to get all the other stuff he brings, I have no problem doing so.

By terrell barron

February 7, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

The same thing happenend in New Jersey. They were chanting MVP for Kobe, when he went to the line. The Lakers have fans EVERYWHERE. The Hawks should just be thankful that they sold out, regardless of who the fans were so-called rooting for. I’m just glad they won.

By Jo Bling

February 7, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

Steven - I think there’s a lot to like about Josh Smith. He’s simply a remarkable athlete. I’m just trying to look at it more from a general manager perspective in that basketball teams are such sensitive projects to build. Every team in the NBA has at least a few great basketball players, but finding the right combination, the right mix, the right chemistry, is so difficult. I’m not sure Josh aids the Hawks chemistry, and I think that ultimately is going to harm the team’s chances of success. I realize he’s incredibly young, so, yes, there’s a chance he can grow into a more mature and responsible player. If the Hawks keep him, I sure hope that’s the case.

By xldoug

February 7, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

Jo-bling you can officially be ruled clueless in the realm of basketball insight. JS is not thought highly of outside this blog?? Let’s let him walk and see what happens. Does he make poor decisions at times? Yes. Does he take poor shots at times? Again yes…but the bigger question is WHY does Woody have him standing at the 3 pt line as the kick-out option in the first place. How many of his “bad shots” are at the end of the clock when he catches the ball in that position? Do you actually watch the games? He impacts more possessions on both ends of the floor than any player on the team. Warts and all he is the best PLAYER…not scorer but player on the team

By Hawkamanic81

February 7, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

You know it’s not surprising that the Atlanta fans would cheer Kobe. His is a role model to a violent city like Atlanta. The fans root for a criminal?

Nah… No surprise at all. He fits in with the city of Atlanta.

By Clarkekent

February 7, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

fire woodson they win inspite of… not because of.

By Traceman

February 7, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

Jo Bling, you picked the wrong time to criticize Smoove. There is no doubt that he makes bad decisions at times but calling him a “terrible decision maker” when he has averaged 20 pts (on 61% shooting), 8 rebs, 8 assts, 6 blks, 2 steals and only 3 to’s per game during our 3-game winning streak is WAY off base.

His decision making has CLEARLY improved as the season has progressed as his FG% has increased in every month of the season. Smoove was pressing early thinking that he needed to score a lot of points in order to get a big contract in the off season. Once he realized that the size of his contract was going to be determined by his all around play rather than his scoring, he has improved dramatically throughout the season.

In addition, saying that Josh’s style of play doesn’t fit well withing the team concept is ridiculous. He is very unselfish as is reflected by his assist numbers and he creates more for his teammates than any player on the roster other than JJ. He also covers up for his teammates’ mistakes on the defensive end with his shotblocking prowess. Josh makes his teammates better and that is the ultimate sign of being a team player.

As for Acie, he will likely have to earn his way back inot Woody’s good graces after his terrible performance against Philly. He didn’t even scratch in the boxscore in that game and Philly’s lead went from 8 to 15 in the less than 5 minutes he was in the game in the first quarter. As the backup PG, Acie needs to show Woody that he can come in and give us a spark when we are down and he hasn’t done that. Acie DID do a good job of maintaining our lead when he got in the game against NJ so hopefully Woody will give him a chance in the CLE game. I think Acie is showing signs of being a terrific PG for us, it just might not be his time THIS season.

By Frank

February 7, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

JOSH SMITH IS BETTER THAN MARION NOW.

P.S. HE,S 22

By doc

February 7, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

sekou, i can say being one of very few honest to goodness natives of atlanta that we are few and far between. over the next twenty years that may change but there are many folks from say new york area, la and californians, boston or new england or chicago that bring their allegiances with them. unless the native team becomes a winner, it is what it is. until that changes there will be always folks from the other teams ready to rub it in. it is always fun to go to a braves game when the cubs are in town because those folks are willing to take so much abuse or maybe the mets folks. it is what makes atlanta great too, still a bit of southern charm with international flavor.

cant get over what folks still say about j smith as he continues to ascend. his game is so far from what it was last year or even two months ago it is downright silly. some of the passes he made last night were great and will only get better.

By Ryder

February 7, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

Sekou to phrase your quote “I can’t say that I ever remember being in an arena that was more titled against the home team that Philips was last night. I’m dumbfounded, even four years into this thing, that this still happens here. I guess I shouldn’t be, considering the venom that’s spewed about this team on a daily basis”.

Is that a shot at your fellow AJC journalists?

Not trying to instigate, but if it is good work my man. It seems even Bradley has come around to liking the Hawks.

One thing that people don’t look at is how Horford’s presence and just sick desire to bring it every night has this team in playoff contention, despite a below .500 record?
Unfortunately these awards are based on the hype machine so Horford’s probably looking at second place.

Good analysis on the Hawks’ frontcourt. John Hollinger wrote an interesting piece in ESPN yesterday about how more effective Horford would be if they ran more because he is so quick. The Lakers look like they were plodding all last night, Kobe’s messed up finger or not.

I liked how they were determined to not let the pro-LA crowd stop them. My question is why can’t they bring that same intensity on the road?

But that’s another rant for another time. Today the Hawks took a major step as a team to get to that next level. Josh Smith is exactly the kind of player ANY team in the league would love to have! He brings it on both ends of the court and doesn’t pout when he isn’t getting the shots.

Haters can pile on him all they want, but he is the perfect raging yang to Joe Johnson’s calming ying. Mix them in with Horford and a DEVELOPED Acie Law (hopefully) and you have the core of a championship team.

Even though I don’t see how in h*ll BK would make any deals before the deadline I have to ask this:

If the Hawks can only get one additional piece via trade what should it be a shooter or big man?

By Jo Bling

February 7, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

xl-doug - Before you stoop to slinging names like “clueless” you might want to check your own basketball knowledge, and not speculate as to how it stands up to people you don’t even know. I’d put my 24 years of experience coaching high school and summer-league basketball up against your basketball “knowledge” any day. You are a Hawks fan. Of course you love Josh Smith. That’s great, but it doesn’t have anything to do with real player analysis. I’ve already posted on one of Sekou’s prior blogs some of the opinions of Josh Smith as seen by other teams’ scouts. These guys are paid to evaluate talent, and they don’t like what they see in Josh Smith - at all. And, yes, I do watch the games. All of them, including the 10 to 12 I attend in person. Josh Smith is a fun athlete to watch, but I don’t ever see him being part of a championship-calibre team.

By Jo Bling

February 7, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

Traceman - Thanks for actually posting a reasonable argument about Josh. Yes, I know I’m picking a bad time to criticize him, but I’m not going to change my opinion based on three games. I’ve definitely seen some maturation this year, especially lately. But he’s teased us before and then relapsed. In the end, with Josh, it’s always going to be about getting his numbers. I just have to disagree with your statement that he makes the players around him better. I’m not sure he and Marvin and Joe really work well together. With three guys like that, why are we 22nd in the league in scoring?

By Jo Bling

February 7, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

Traceman - Thanks for actually posting a reasonable argument about Josh. Yes, I know I’m picking a bad time to criticize him, but I’m not going to change my opinion based on three games. I’ve definitely seen some maturation this year, especially lately. But he’s teased us before and then relapsed. In the end, with Josh, it’s always going to be about getting his numbers. I just have to disagree with your statement that he makes the players around him better. I’m not sure he and Marvin and Joe really work well together. With three guys like that, why are we 22nd in the league in scoring?

By Hawksville Resident

February 7, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

I’d like to talk about the crowd last night because I think it’s worth mentioning that the crowd probably did more hurt than harm for the Lakers. Sure they had a lot of “fans”(I use the term loosly because they’re one losing season away from being on someone else’s bandwagon) that were loud from the start but I think the Lakers “fans” energized the Hawks more than the Lakers. In response to the crowd, JJ came out gunning, Horford played like a mad man and Josh Smith was the man in the fourth quarter with all of his energy plays starting with the and one over Turiaf!

By Ryder

February 7, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

Jo Bling- I do see where you’re coming from, but there are other things in which I disagree.

For starters, I do think Josh Smith can be a great part of a championship-calibre team, it’s just that he can’t be THE major part. His game is similar to that of Tayshaun Prince and AK-47 in which his athleticism helps the team on defense and he can attack the basket more than others.

His drawback is that he hasn’t yet developed a complete basketball IQ, which comes with time. His freakish moves to the basket can only last for so long, and if he wants to continue being successful he will need to learn how to rely on all of his skills as he ages.

But hey, he’s 22 right now so there is plenty of time for him to put it all together. I just hope it’s in Atlanta where we see him become the complete package.

By mykhalc

February 7, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

Jo Bling, your first paragraph of your 11:09 post is just pure fiction!!!!! i think you’d find yourself 100% WRONG if GM’s were polled about JSMITH. flaws and all the cat is a real difference maker!!!

now your 11:48 post was more on the money. and you might have to come to the conclusion that JS is one of the 2 leaders on this team right now. his all-around play SETS the tone for this team, with JJ and HORFORD bein’ a close second.

so you might wanna prepare yourself for the contract SMOOVE will get before the start of next season!!! ;o)

yessir, this one’s for you…

WOODSON’s gotta go …PERIOD!!!

By doc

February 7, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

shooter, as we know that will open things up a bit for mid-range guys and the guys underneath. it will get us there but not far until the big man cometh. you got to make it to the dance before you can get a partner.

By George

February 7, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

To: Jo Bling…

I share your thoughts about Josh being out of control and errant passes. However, 1. He’s 21, 2. He’s never played college ball and 3. Most of the time, he makes up for the aggressive/out of control type plays. I’m willing to watch him develop into the NBAs next generation of Superstars.

By xldoug

February 7, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

Jo bling: Not a personal attack…simply an observation. I will, However match my 26 years as a high school coach…still going strong as we speak…with your 24 in a t**-for-tat. Anyone who expresses an affection for T-Lue…attaching the adjective “amazing”…while minimizing the impact of JS is…if not clueless, then simply really wrong. Like I stated before…we will see what happens when he hits the open market. Not part of a championship team??? If he does hit the open market and go to say Cleveland or Orlando you may be proven wrong.

By newkid

February 7, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

Wow Sekou. Are we to infer that your impression of a ‘consistent’ basketball player is one who scores north of 10 points per game with regularity? C’mon dude.

For a couple of years I was a HUGE fan of Marvin’s (I’m partial to all players with Carolina connections), and don’t dislike him now. That said, isn’t it rather disingenuous to not recognize how precious little the kid brings to the floor when his shot’s not falling? Whether by design or inclination he doesn’t move much at all off the ball; the coaches are literally begging him to be more aggressive (here in his 3rd year!) on the offensive end of the floor; he often appears averse to sticking his nose into the mix for rebounds; he almost never finishes around the basket after contact (check out how few “and 1’s” he has this year); he competes with Zaza for the dubious award of the most clumsy cat on the squad; and he doesn’t appear to play very good help defense. He’s a long athletic guy who is capable of lighting it up when he’s on and who has what appears to be huge potential, but he’s hardly a consistent BASKETBALL PLAYER at this point in his career. But he’s a Carolina guy, so I’ll continue to be in his corner.

Just tellin’ it like it is.

By terrell barron

February 7, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Anybody can score in double figures, especially when they dont defend, rebound, block shots, or distribute. You mean to tell me you’ll take 10 pts, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 blocks over 7pts, 3 assist, 3 blocks, and 5 reb? I wouldn’t.

By smartguy

February 7, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Jo, you’re officially on the IDIOT LIST, whose opinions will now get glossed over. You said, “I think there’s a lot to like about Josh Smith. He’s simply a remarkable athlete.” That’s a contradictory statement, and Jo, there’s so much more to Smooth than athleticism. 24 years of high school and summer league ball have left you as clueless as a first grader. You can talk to all the high school scouts you want, but I guarantee you that Professional NBA scouts think he is awesome. So do NBA coaches (many on the record after he gives them headaches), so do NBA players (Gilbert Arenas as quoted by SS in the preseason). If he should hit the market this summer, you’ll look even more foolish.

If you want to question my basketball knowledge from your HIGH SCHOOL perspective, go for it. You’ve been focusing on lower level hoops, where I am focused on the NBA, college hoops, the D-league, and even international ball. The fact that you prefer T-Lue over Josh Smith says all we need to know about you. I don’t even think that T-Lue himself would say he is a better player than Smooth. As a final point, don’t high school coaches actually work during the day? Bashing our best player… what a joke.

By Mike

February 7, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

Abbreviated blog from the last post

Sweet win last night. There is no doubt in my mind that Smoove will be an All-Star and a Super Star in this league one day. I would keep Chill over Marvin. Chill plays defense and crashes the boards, Marvin just hasn’t displayed the desire to consistently play defense and crash the boards for someone his size.

Sekou Marvin is a great talent, but thus far in his career he shown a propensity for playing inconsistent on defense and crashing boards. How big was that offensive rebound and put back of Chill last night. Guys are not hatten on Marvin because he’s not talented, it’s the hustle play when your shot is not going they are talking about. At 6’9’’ and a big body, Marvin is capable of impacting the game on the defensive end and crashing the boards every night, regardless of how many points he scores.

With the way TLue has been playing lately, I still stay the Jamal Magliore deal would help us just as well. TLue seems to be really starting regain some of the quickness he lost from his injuries. Man he was huge in the fourth quarter. What we learned from last night is that Gasol would help on offense, but not with defense and rebounds in the Pivot? The Hawks need a Big that can block shots and crash the boards.

These guys are still fighting their hearts out, you gotta respect that if you’re a Hawks fan. Hopefully the ownership will do something to help these guys out. I think the Phoenix and Lakers trades were great for both team because of what they gave up to pull the trade off. Neither one of those teams gave away their top talent. I think the Hawks can do the same with the Magliore deal. We should be able to pull that trade off without breaking up the core.

GO BEAT THEM CAVS HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Lamar

February 7, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

The move we need to make is for Eddy Curry. He is one of the best low post scorers in the game and he would allow Horford to back up Smoove in the PF spot. He isn’t as good a rebounder as his size would suggest, but Smoove’s rebounding prowess will make up for his deficiencies. Curry for Shelden/Zaza

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 7, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

Acie doesn’t stink, he just needs playing time. I think as long as the Hawks are going to rely on their two veterans at PG, they should send Acie to the D-League so he can get some burn. He’s not going to improve while he’s sitting on the bench.

Jo Bling, you are insane. Yeah, Josh Smith has his decision making issues, like any 21 year old. But even over the course of this season his decision making has improved rapidly. He’s always had above average court vision for a forward, always had the ability to know where a ball is going to bounce so he can get the rebound, always had the ability to time his blocks perfectly, and always had the ability to get his hands in passing lanes. Over the course of this year his understanding of the game has improved to the point where his shot selection is acceptable, even if it’s not outstanding, and he makes a lot more good passes without trying to force as many bad ones. If you are still trying to nitpick his game you are insane. Even the elite players in the NBA make a couple of bad decisions in each game.

You’d be surprised if he ever made the All Star team? I wouldn’t be surprised if he made it this year as an injury replacement, if one of the players already selected were to get injured. A “maverick who doesn’t fit into the team concept” doesn’t rack up near-triple doubles in three out of four games.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 7, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

Sekou, I was there yesterday too, and I don’t think it was an 80/20 Lakers crowd. Most of the crowd wasn’t exactly made up of Lakers fans, just front-runners. In the first half while the Lakers were winning you could hear “Let’s go Lakers” and “MVP” chants for Kobe. In the 2nd half as the Hawks came back the same people started cheering for the Hawks, and clowning the true Lakers fans who were so vocal in the first half. In my entire section there were only about eight or nine dedicated Lakers fans, decked out in Kobe jerseys and everything. Atlanta is a city full of front-running sports fans who root for whoever is winning and hate on whoever is losing. That’s the real problem.

By Tyger

February 7, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

Damn right, Al Horford is ROY

What has Durant really done? Avg. 20 ppg. on 25 FGA, on a team that wont win 20 games. Thats not impressive.

Leading your team to the promised land despite being the smallest center in the league is impressive.

Like Josh Smith, he makes plays that make you go “Whoa”, and not dunks, usually rebounds, that he takes off the glass so hard that you can hear it in the upper deck.

Against the 76ers, he grabbed a rebound so hard, he knocked 7’0 Dalembart to the ground, minutes later he blocked Andre Miller for the win.

Shooters: I hear Salim Stoudamire’s healthy and available for cheap.

Otherwise, Steve Novak, Juan Dixon, JR Smith, Gerald Green, Mike James are excellent 3pt. shooters that are available and relatively cheap.

JR Smith and Gerald Green are especially scary; even with their warts; nobody knows better than us what that kind of size, youth, and ability, can foster.

BIGS: Lorenzen Wright, Solomon Jones, Shelden Williams are all available from what I hear.

By traptout

February 7, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

Al Horford = deserves ROY trophy. Josh Smith has bad decision making?, but he gets around a triple double every other night. Nine assist the past two nights. Recently he’s had a high fg%. Watch the Hawks before you comment/criticize them.For the past 2 months J-Smoove has been our best player and could have been a justifiable all-star. We will only go as far as Joe Johnson takes us and over the past month or so he’s been incredibly off. We have a good team worth rooting for, they’re just young. Be patient. GO HAWKS!!!

By jami$$ion

February 7, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

IN THE WORDS OF YOUNGDRO I’M SICK OF IT! SOME OF THESE ANTI JSMOOVE COMMENTS NEED 2 STOP. PERIOD THEY ARE ILLOGICAL AND THEY MAKE U LOOK IGNORANT.LIKE HIS GAME ISN’T BALANCE,OR COMPLETE. HOW MUCH COMPLETE DO U WANT? THE GUY AVG 19pts 9rbs 4asts 3.8blks&2stls. Thats the most complete line in the league and it’s only going 2 get better.Be thankful 4 the talent the BASKETBALL GODS HAVE BLESSED US WITH!

By ray

February 7, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

Sekou, that’s a sad fact about the fans. And while I do support the team (although quite unhappy with some of the players), a losing record, literal misfit of a coach, and continual losing record are hardly motivation or inspiration for great fan support.

Ken, coy doesn’t suit you. That’s all I’m going to say. Well, except for this:

The sad thing is the strengths of each player could solve the 2 major weaknesses. This would be true for another team perhaps, but not for ours. Our strengths can be used to our advantage, and they will indeed help us win more if used properly. However, they will not ever be enough to get us to the next level or two. Even the wildly successful Phoenix Suns have fallen victim time and again to the old tried and true systems. Does Mike D’Antoni’s system work? Of course it does. But what are the Suns trying to do…win the championship. Have they yet? No. So has his system, with the players that were in it, succeeded? No. Not yet. With Shaq around, the system doesn’t get changed, it gets modified a bit. The only way you can truly mask a weakness or disadvantage is if your strengths are strong enough. Ours aren’t.

To have a running game, your entire squad must be able to run, at least to some extent. I’m talking at least 7-8 of your guys. So, that rules out Pachulia, Wright, and Sheldon Williams. Lue and AJ can run for maybe 5 minutes. Then they’ll need to have a break. Acie doesn’t get to play much lately, but he can certainly run. Mario has obviously been forgotten. Speedy is just plain OUT. We don’t even know if Solomon can run because Woody hardly lets him play at all. I suspect he would be just fine. Same with Salim, who is one of our “shooters.” So that leaves us with about 6 guys who can do it. And guess what? None of them is a pg, and none a center. Coincidence? Yeah RIGHT.

You have to have shooters, whether you like to run or not. Phoenix runs all day, and boy do they have shooters. That ought to be example enough right there. Simple fact is, running isn’t all about just dunks and layups. You have to be able to stop and pop a jumper, whether it’s short, midrange, or from beyond the arc. When caught in a half-court game, you only have two options: score inside or score outside. Gotta have shooters. We have four actual shooters. One midrange, one mostly mid-to-long range, and the other two are capable from all ranges. One of the all-range shooters doesn’t get to play. The mid-to-long range guy plays mostly 4th quarter and half court sets, and doesn’t run much.

Our strengths aren’t strong enough. Not enough shooters, not enough runners, not enough scoring, not enough defense. Teams that have all these problems don’t have winning records. Coincidentally, neither do we. Will we win some good games like last night? Of course. But we won’t win enough of them. We fail because we don’t have enough. You cannot justify occasionally beating teams that are normally better than you while losing to teams that are normally not as good as you. It’s called inconsistent. And it’s called having a losing record. The win against L.A., as good as it was, means little if we go and get the crud beat out of us by Cleveland.

We cannot get past the fact that changes need to be made. Coach needs to go. We need players that can actually provide some of the things we claim are our strengths. It is what it is.

Sekou’s right that Marvin has consistently scored in double figures. Can’t take that away from him. I’d still give him up in a trade that works for us before I’d give up Horford, Smith, or Johnson. And to be honest, I’m not sure I’d give up Childress before Marvin either. Al is a beast we haven’t seen the likes of in a Hawks uniform since actual centers like Mutombo and Willis. JJ is an all-star. Josh is on another planet altogether. Marvin’s good, but in the grand scheme of things, is he more or less replaceable than the others I mentioned?

Here’s another tidbit: Childress has played roughly 368 minutes less, has taken about 209 less shots, literally does NOT get plays run for him (as others have mentioned), has not started one game this season, and has a much uglier jump shot form…all in comparison to Marvin. However, Childress is shooting a whopping 58% to Marvin’s 47%, gets almost the exact same number of rebounds, and is only averaging 4 points less. Oh, and Chill has been to the free throw line for 106 tries, whereas Marvin has been for 275 tries. Chill gets 30 minutes off the bench. Marvin starts every single game and gets about 36. Literally every other stat is within or less than 1.0 in difference except fouls. Chill averages 1.8 fouls per game, while Marvin averages 3.1. Does it sound like I’m presenting an argument of some sort? With those kinds of stats alone, I don’t believe I need to.

Just a bit of food for thought, I honestly cannot see how we can get better and add pieces that we desperately need without parting with at least one of our young fellas. Just don’t see it. Hopefully it’s not more than one, but you never know.

By mykhalc

February 7, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

SS, on point. ROY votin’ SHOULD NOT even be close!!! again, HORFORD hands-down for his stats AND the difference he brings/makes to his team!!!

By reese

February 7, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

Wow, I go to Mardi Gras and the hawks go on a 3 game win streak. Believe me I haven’t seen any basketball since last friday. Well, maybe some things that were as big as basketballs. Anyways, I turn on NBA TV top ten highlights and Josh Smith is dunking on somebody.

Jo Bling, this is why fans in other cities know about Josh Smith. The Lakers are on national TV every week and Phil Jackson plays his bench. This is why fans know about Jordan Farmer, Turiaf, Walton, ariza and vujacic.

Jo Bling, you say that you’d place your 24 years of high school and summer league coaching experience to justify the analysis of Josh Smith not being the right fit for this teams chemistry and a terrible decision maker. Well it might be time for you to evolve older teachings into newer thinking.

Also, all scouts and GMs make mistakes with judging players. It’s evident that high school and summer league coaches of today have failed to teach the fundamentals to the players of today.

You imply that Josh is just an athlete and fail to recognize the hard work he has worked on to improve all facets of his game. He has started shooting with his right hand, he has increased his assist and steals and maintained his shot blocking.

He understands that his long term success means that he has to improve his outside shooting and ball handling. Which means that you have to take those shots and must dribble the ball to get better.

You just can’t stay in some old fashion box of just staying in the post or always passing to the guard when your a forward.

Those are outdated concepts that were taught about 24 years ago.

By l

February 7, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

f da hatas

By ray

February 7, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

Jo Bling, I won’t call you an idiot. Even idiots deserve credit every now and again. Got to HoopsHype.com and read the article dedicated to Josh Smith. This guy didn’t know how to do basic things when he was drafted. Basic things like dribble, pass, shoot. He couldn’t defend. Now he is one of the most absolutely feared shot-blockers (ask DWade how it can happen to you). The guy is averaging 18 points a game despite not having a decent jumper (still needs work). He’s getting over 8 boards a game along with nearly 4 assists, and more than 3 blocks. You’re off base big time. You’re talking about a guy who is learning and is committed to learning how to become better. No one encourages and supports his teammates better than Josh Smith. Watch how he reacts every time Marvin makes a good play.

And what do you mean “in the end it will be about Josh getting his numbers”? Do you even know what an assist is? Josh is averaging nearly 4 assists per game. An assist is an attempt to give a teammate the ball in a good position with the intent of that teammate getting a good chance to score. It’s a symbol and intention of trust. It’s a symbol of team play. Josh is a team player. What games have you been watching, kid?

By Nookah

February 7, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

I guess Jo Bling “posted” himself on the wrong side of us bloggers. I share the sentiment of those who have responded to him so I need not comment any further. One thing we must still respect is his opinion. We certainly do not agree but that’s life!!

Sekou, I am also upset at the way our teams are treated by our own residents. It’s ridiculous. They are always cheering for the visiting teams. However, only winning and doing so consistently will change that. A large number of them are “waggonists” anyway. They’ll cheer for whomever is winning. So much for their loyalty.

Smoove and Horford are beasts and don’t knock Marvin he will continue to get better. All we need is that shooter and inside presence to take some pressure off our young guys.

Come on BK, I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again….do that deal…fill our needs and we’ll make some serious noise in the playoffs.

Nuff respect!!!

By Mike

February 7, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Guys I wouldn’t waste much breathe on the cat Jo Bling. With as much crow as Smoove has shoved in his mouth it will take a stick of dynamite to clear his throat.

Sekou on the subject of fan base, as a life long ATL fan, what happen last night doesn’t surprise me? You got a news media that ridicule and dogg all the sports franchise except the Braves. Unless you’re reading Sekou news article there is absolutely nothing positive being said about this team, except for Sports South. Nobody believes this team is for real. I love when fans from other team show and there team loose.

It’s just a simple testament of human nature. Everybody wants to be associated with a winner. The funny thing is that most of the people that show up to cheer for the other team are not even from that city. It also a testament to the vibrant economy of the ATL. Isn’t that why you are here? They may hate the sport franchise, but they love the city.

Just like the Braves and Falcon, this young Hawks team will win this city over.

By new jersey faithful

February 7, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

BEAT THE CAVS!!!!!!!!!

By randy

February 7, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

I don’t think Josh Smith has bad decision-making. I have seen him find Horford or Chills or Joe cutting to the basket for an easy assist just about every night. He did take bad shots earlier in the season, but realized it was affecting the teams performance and cut down on jump-shots/3’s. If there has been on bright spot on the Hawks for past 3 years, it is watching this guy develop. Hopefully, we will re sign him and continue to watch him improve.

By ray

February 7, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

On Josh Smith: I don’t know whether to be proud or very scared. Josh Smith is finally getting some of the recognition that he deserves. Problem is, those in the know and with the ability to do things have already seen this, well before any blogger I’m sure. And while articles like the one in HoopsHype.com illustrate this fairly well, you have to wonder just how much salivating is being done on other teams when Smith’s name is brought up. We could actually lose this guy, you know. I have maintained that either we build around Smith or we make damn sure we get something really good in return for him if we let him get away. Since money has always seemed to be a problem here, my fear has been that he’ll be let go somehow. Hence the statements about trade value and what not. I do not want to see a repeat of what happened when Al Harrington left town. We couldn’t survive another deal like that (getting just about nothing good in return) with the departure of an even more talented and dynamic player. I’m still worried about this…

For all those who continually think we just need to become a carbon copy of the Phoenix Suns: there’s a whole host of articles on this site that should open your eyes. Many of them have key quotes from Mike D’Antoni and Steve Kerr. D’Antoni talks about how having a guy like Shaq gives them a better chance at winning it all. Notice no one seems at all worried about losing Shawn Marion (especially with Grant Hill around). Think real hard about what that should be telling you: Phoenix has and has had the NBA’s greatest running system, but still recognized the need to have a dominant big man. Such a type of player is also necessary when forced into a half-court system.

Doc, you said it best: can’t worry about a partner when you can’t get to the dance. Moves have to be made, and they have to be the right ones, addressing the needs we have. The homers need to stop lying to themselves…

One other thing: Western teams are panicking. We should be taking advantage of this instead of combing our afro and saying “Well, that’s out West. Here in the east, things are watered down enough for us to make the playoffs and keep our jobs for a minute or two longer.” Dammit we should be after guys like Mike Miller. Memphis could use some help down low. Pachulia and Sheldon Williams are both upgrades and will likely be more consistent than Milicic or the non-existent Jason Collins. Not to mention both of our guys are starved for minutes and would be cheaper in the short and long-term for a rebuilding Memphis squad. We could throw in someone else to make it right. We’re trying to get to the playoffs and get better, they’re trying to rebuild. Does it make sense at all? After all, they’re not going to keep Kwame Brown. He was the expiring contract they wanted, and they could have the same production for cheaper.

By Jo Bling

February 7, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

Hey Ray, I’m no kid. Wish I were. I hear what you are saying. I’ve also said many times I believe Josh is the best shot-blocker in the league. In fact, he’s a defensive force. It’s on the offensive end where I think he hurts the team. I can also point you to evaluations of Josh by opposing NBA scouts that are none too flattering. But that’s so much water under the bridge. I realize that raising questions on this board about Josh Smith as a total package is going to result in a gang tackle - especially from the yahoos who either haven’t read what I’ve written or don’t know the first thing about player-talent evaluation. I can handle it.

Unfortunately, the banter here has forced me into extending my criticism of a player I actually really like. I really do like Josh Smith. I used to watch him in high school at McEachern and was amazed. I’m a huge Hawks fan, and he’s part of the Hawks. I’m just not sure he’s the right fit for this team. Face it folks - your “All-Star” is “leading” a sub-.500 team that’s 22nd in the league in scoring. Get my point?

One last point: one of you jokers above needs to learn how to read. I said Tyronn Lue was one of my favorite players. How in the world did you take that statement and turn it into my endorsing him for league MVP? I like Lue because he’s tough as nails, and he wants the rock in the fourth quarter. That’s when he comes alive. I love players like that. Doesn’t mean I think he’s MVP of anything. Come on, man, either have a reasonable discussion or go somewhere else.

By Najeh Davenpoop

February 7, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

“You got a news media that ridicule and dogg all the sports franchise except the Braves.”

Even the Braves suffer from the same thing. Have you ever been to a game at Turner Field when they are playing the Red Sox or the Cubs? It’s even worse than yesterday’s game. The problem is Atlanta sports fans in general. I have lived here my whole life, and as far as I can tell the only thing that holds Atlanta fans’ loyalty is UGA football. Atlanta is a giant bandwagon.

By Big John

February 7, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

This is for Randy whio posted first,I’m a long time Hawks fan and I remeber when people used to say Nique was always out of control and a bad decision maker. Josh is the real deal,this team is only 1 or 2 pieces from being a serious contender.Gooooooo Hawks!!!!

By Maurice

February 7, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Man, you all dogged Jo Bling! I was gonna say something too but he got lit like a fire in a fire-cracker factory! Get er done! Lol! I will say this though, take JS out of the games that we won…his points, his blocked shots, his assists, his steals and his energy. What do you have?

The Miami Heat.

By Maurice

February 7, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

Man, you all dogged Jo Bling! I was gonna say something too but he got lit like a fire in a fire-cracker factory! Get er done! Lol! I will say this though, take JS out of the games that we won…his points, his blocked shots, his assists, his steals and his energy. What do you have?

The Miami Heat. and last years Hawks

By Joshua Bagriansky

February 7, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

For those of you whining about Smith’s shot selection, check out his game log. He has been shooting the ball very well since mid December. When you read Smith complaints, it is very easy to spot who is actually watching the games.

Smith has problems, but shooting % has not been one of them. What you meant to say is he needs to become a less streaky rebounder, a better man defender, and keep his head in check. But of course that would require a lot of you to actually watch a lot of Hawks games.

By ray

February 7, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Jo Bling, actually as you probably know, our “all-star” is Joe Johnson. And he’s the team leader, captain, whatever you wish to call it. And he’s leading a sub-.500 team. We were supposed to be building around him, but it has not happened because it has been incorrectly done.

As for Josh, I suppose we’ll have to disagree. The fact that a guy like him coming straight from high school without solid basic skills…can produce like this…and still have a lot of room to grow…I fail to see your point. I definitely disagree with your assessment of him as a team player. He is unselfish. While he may take more shots than some people think he should, who else is providing the scoring? Marvin? Please….Marvin has a hard time consistently going to the basket and almost won’t shoot a jumper unless he’s wide open. When he does go to the basket, he doesn’t finish much in traffic. Josh at least is consistently motivated and fired up. 18ppg, and he’s no shooter. Marvin is touted as one, but lacks the necessary drive to be a consistently effective one. That’s what frustrates me about Marvin.

Josh didn’t have the skills, but he’s developing them. On top of that, he’s providing the kinds of things you expect from a dominant center or power forward. How many times is he going to save our porous defense with another high-flying, spectacular block? Yeah, he’s a weak-side shot-blocker, but why is he getting all these swats? Simple: because he defends his man, then rotates out of nowhere to defend somebody else’s man…like Marvin’s…ahem.

By Maurice

February 7, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

Jo Bling. Josh Smith isn’t leading a sub .500 team that’s 22 in the league in scoring. Mike Woodson is leading the team that is 22 in the league in scoring. As a coach you should realize and accept the fact that wins and losses are the coaches responsibility. Yes the players are the ones out on the court and yes it ultimately is the players responsibility to execute. He isn’t the only one on the team. To say he doesn’t fit in the mix with the Hawks is idiotic. I’ve seen what you see. That sometimes it doesn’t seem like JS and JJ get along. They have a job to do and it’s the coaches responsibility to get them to mesh. Check Kobe and Shaq. Not that JS is equal to either of those 2 talents but look at what great coaching did for the Lakers. It’s Woodsons job to get his team to mesh. He is the link between the players. You may not like or get along with everyone you work with but you all play to your strengths. Shouldn’t Woodson be able to do that? I’ve seen nights were JS and JJ aren’t doing anything well with the ball, but the ball keeps going to them. Coaching. I’ve seen Marvin look like a beast for the first three quarters and not get the ball in the fourth. Coaching. Need I say more? What ever your miss givings are about Josh Smith not being able to fit in the mix with the Hawks team are your own. My last bit of wisdom to you is to get your slew of professionals together with that gentleman who said Josh Smith will be a Bust, and form your own team!

By ray

February 7, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

That’s another thing. Marvin is shooting only 2.7% better than Josh. And Marvin is the shooter? Look, I like the guy but this is what I see: Josh takes more shots. He will shoot in all four quarters. Marvin shoots much less in the 4th quarter, and won’t shoot much at all when the shot isn’t an open one. And he only shoots one jumper: midrange. Josh will shoot from anywhere, as will Childress. Both have more attempts and more completions from 3-point range despite having nowhere near Marvin’s shooting stroke. He’s attempted 1-6 from beyond the arc. That’s 16.7% Smith has gone 14-62 for 22.6%, and Chill has gone 7-26 for 26.9%. Does that make either of the Joshes shooters or 3-point shooters? No. But it damn sure makes Marvin NOT look like the shooter people keep claiming he is. Hence the many one-dimensional comments people keep making about him.

Marvin needs to expand his range, finish at the basket, and quit avoiding contested shots/traffic. Take a page from JJ, who probably has not shot one uncontested shot from inside 30+ feet. No seriously, the only uncontested shots this cat gets are from either well beyond the arc, or when no less than two opposing team’s defenders have completely blown their assignment. Seriously.

By SSI Fan

February 7, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Every player on the Hawks team should be available in the right trade, even Josh Smith who is idolized by so many on this blog. The strengths of the players on the Hawks do not complement each other. They have some good players but the team, as presently constructed, can hope for no more than a 7th or 8th playoff position. They do not have enough size or outside shooting to be any better.

By #21=Top 50,1stBallot

February 7, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

A couple of things:

24,34,44,934 years of coaching, watching basketball, etc are still based on subjective criteria. How long have BK and Woody been involved with bball?- exactly

It’s not even an arguement for Smoov vs Duck, that one’s been decided.

Ken Strickland- I mean Jo Bling- interesting, I thought alter ego’s expressed different opinions than their regular selves….. Duck, Duck, GOOSE!

RISE UP!

By reese

February 7, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Ray and MyKhalc, I went back and read some of the older blogs, thanks for the shout out.

Its good to see that people are starting to understand Josh Smith’s attributes and are patient with his mistakes. Besides, any star player who plays with intensity is going to make mistakes. Steve Nash had 10 turnovers last night.

Currently, Marvin is a role player. His role is to take and make the outside shot. Now, its time for him to increase his role.

Childress is a player that I flip flop on. We won when he was out, he is slow when running down court to stop a offensive player, he has stopped trying to take outside shots, he is weak and fumbles the ball too much. However, he seems to get a key offensive rebound and put back at some point in the game. He is a Robert Horry type player on a small scale. You keep him, but don’t pay him too much.

By mykhalc

February 7, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

BIG RAY, excellent point about how much ALL JJ’s shots are contested!! an easy thing to overlook when we criticize him at times!!

By Jo Bling

February 7, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

Joshua - No, that wasn’t what I meant to say. In fact, I think I’ll stick to saying what I mean to say. I think Josh is a pretty decent man defender, even though he overplays and always has his eye somewhere else, waiting for his chance to get airborne. I think he’s terrible in transition and in shot selection. And you say he’s been shooting great since December? Terrific! What’s our record been since December? You might want to watch a game or two as well.

Ray - I certainly have to agree with your points. In fact, I think in a way you are actually making my point. I totally agree Joe Johnson is supposed to be the star of this team - not Josh Smith. They are paying Joe Johnson to be the leader, not Josh Smith. And yet, everyone here seems to think Josh Smith is king daddy Atlanta Hawk. You are so right that it has been incorrectly done, and that’s why Josh Smith and the role he plays is a problem.

As for Marvin, I’m with you all the way. He needs to start showing us something more, and pretty quickly. Last night’s performance was as bad as I’ve seen him in a long time. He looked completely lost. Not a good sign.

SSI Fan - Exactly. Apparently there are going to be a lot of people on this board freaking out when Josh Smith gets traded. But maybe they will start to understand if we can use him to find the right piece(s) to get this team where it needs to be. Joe Johnson is a warhorse that we can ride to a championship, but he needs the right lineup around him.

By DSLIM

February 7, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

is salim done for the season? I HATE WOODSON> he sucks

By reese

February 7, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

Najeh Davenpoop, yes the hawks need to send AC Law to the DLeague. Send Solomon and Shelden with them.

I remember last year when the Lakers sent Jordan Farmer to the Dleague, he played a Dleague game and a laker game in the same day.

I just don’t see the benefit of jerking him in and out of the rotation.

Maybe we need to start a money collection so that the spirit can afford the bus fare or plane ride to the Dleague affiliate.

By I.MUS WRITE

February 7, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

My God why is Joe Bling’s man crush on T lue the topic of discussion……Rediculous

RAY-Good info on Chillz vs Marvin, Chills is alot more effective and does the dirty work for our team- Luv the way he plays. I honestly would trade Marvin before I would Chills.

Where are all of the Gasol supporters now? Trading Smoove for Gasol would have been a dumb azz move. If you watched the game last night its obvious he isnt the banger we needed to pair up with horford.

Gasol is so Euro- Yeah he gets points on the blocks but we need Defense and Rebounding from any 7 footer we bring in.

JS- If you watch the guy like i do you can see how much he’s impoved since last season…… His passing is getting better as the season goes along especially in the half court (Philly Game) When it all comes togetha he’s gonna be scary.

High School? High School?? Come on- How you gonna compare some AAU players to the best in the world. so again I say High Scool………………………. Howz about u take your experience cash it in and pay for the league pass, so you can be a little more informed when you post here….. These guyz n gurlz are cut throat …… cash it in my man

By doc

February 7, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

jo, good stuff man and it is fun to agree to disagree until you finally come around to the truth. heh heh.

look, two passes that have opened my eyes on josh was the behind the back dump to chills the other night for a easy basket from the baseline and the one where he was way out above the key and threaded a bullet to chills, i think, cutting into the lane late. awesome and only a figment of my imagination for what he could become last year when he couldnt even put it on the floor without losing it.

dude, he is becoming a force to contend with and making the other guys better. that is star force whether it is on offense, getting assists or back-up on defense. i assure you if we dont appreciate him his teammates do and other teams will stand in line to show it soon. watch.

in comparison, marvin’s game is so one dimensional it is frightening and i like the guy a lot and expected it and said so. he has no range and i become suspect of the other teams lack of respect when they dare him to make his little jump shot uncontested that he missed so often last night and many nights before. what do the scouting reports say about him because other teams rarely close the distance on him as he shoots and figure he is not coming to the basket anyway for the bound so why put a body on him? it is not like he uses his quickness to get open or off ball movement around screens nor closes after shots for bounds. geez

By mykhalc

February 7, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

also…i was REALLY impressed with JJ’s game last nite. he took his game to KOBE. backed him down religiously…smart and effective ball, no doubt!!!

REESE, you deserved the props bro. NOBODY came as hard as you did in supportin’ SMOOVE at the beginnin’ of the season!! and i know you and i differed on some things at the start but i am stoked to see the cat step up and improve his all-around game as much as he has in a half a season.

i hope he gets his payday from the ASG!! and i hope he works on makin’ his jumper more consistent this summer like he worked on other parts of his game last summer. i think we are just now beginnin’ to see him get comfortable in game situations with the things he worked on this past summer with DREAM!! and again, gotta give you props ‘cause that was ONE of the things you posted about early!!!

big as basketballs huh????LOL

By berserk

February 7, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

trade for mike miller and one of their PGs and throw in marvin and any of the guys with expiring contracts or who just sit on the bench all day anyway

that would be great!!

and get a decent coach

By doc

February 7, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

reese, i prefer the grapefruit league myself if you know what i mean. glad you had fun while we held the fort down.

ray, good stuff man. cudos as usual.

interesting occurrence last night on the brave blog. chipper came out as u kno who and really was cool to it all. if anyone has any interest in the bravos it is worth a look.

mike glad you are back in the fold man.

where is stretch strickland? luv ya, mean it.

nice to know the ninja honest abe hasnt lost his touch as an agitator recently. seems like he must be a legit working stiff these days. god luv him for it. surprising in that he is a uga grad. maybe he is all hot and bothered reading about teen age boys and the recent signings day. pedophilia at its best.

By Jo Bling

February 7, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Only time will tell on this pretty insignificant debate. But for what it’s worth, I do think there’s a better-than-average chance JS will get traded. His stock is pretty high right now, and I’ve already stated all the reasons I think it would be a good move. If he stays, and he can take us to the playoffs and maybe even win a series, then I’ll sure as hell be a believer. In the end I’m just a Hawks fan. Whatever works.

Tuning out for now …

By Stinger

February 7, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Jo Bling I also have my concerns about JS - I’ve refered to his touch as hands of stone BUT I’m very slow to think of him as trade bait. He is becoming critical to maintaining the teams energy level. There were rumors last year that the hawks and raps were talking about a Calderon / JS swap. Calderon is the decision maker that JS isn’t but JS bring an energy to the game that is nearly unique in the league.

Thus while I lust after Calderon I would not offer JS in exchange. However I would give up Marvin or Chills plus an existing pg in a heart beat.

Last thing teams Hawks fans need to remember id that this team (and almost any team) can only afford 3 max contract players. Who are the 3 you would choose long term? I’d go with Horford #1, JS #2 and JJ#3 but I would rather let JJ go at the end of his current contract and have the 3rd max or near max contract be used on an Allstar level PG.

Again the reality check is that there is a salary cap and our ownership group (and in truth almost every ownership group) is going to be hesitant to go into luxury tax land) so by the time the hawks reach their potential (2 or 3 years) this team CANNOT EXIST as presently constituted. Choose your keepers carefully.

Add me to the group that believes Kidd could push this team deep into the eastern conference playoffs and possibly to the championship next year - Even Woodson wouldn’t be able to slow our wings do with Kidd at the point. Plus his contract expires after to year allowing us to keepr our core players long term - too bad our pitiful owners won’t allow this to happen.

By xldoug

February 7, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

Jo Bling: No…you said T-Lue is “amazing”- What exactly does that mean, if inserted in a running critique on JS, if it doesn’t have any comparative context? And what is your favorite part relative to T-Lue? His inability to guard…his total inability to create a shot for a teammate…his slowing the game to a crawl so he can dribble the clock down…which is it? Yes he can shoot it still and has the guts to take that shot deep in the game. So he has a role and at times a valuable role….but “amazing” to describe T-Lue is beyond dumb.
There is so much to argue with in your posts it is hard to know where to begin. Your experienced and expert analysis will look like clueless drivel in a year…actually it looks like that now…I mean a guy who can impact the game…actually change a game on the glass…through blocked shots and/or steals…by getting shots for his teammates…AND by scoring is described as a talented athlete but a “terrible” decision maker…while the venerable T-Lue is simply amazing…well credibility is forever vanquished…and can I please schedule your team if you still coach???

By Sautee

February 7, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

OK I’ve got to chime in on the JS thing.Jo Bling, you’re first post today (11:09)said “he is a terrible decision-maker, and pretty much a maverick whose style of play doesn’t fit well within a team concept”. And yet his last two games he had 9 assists in each. Imagine how many he would have if he made good decisions and weren’t such a maverick!!! You also said (12:13) “I’ve already posted on one of Sekou’s prior blogs some of the opinions of Josh Smith as seen by other teams’