Hawks

By Melvin

December 3, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

Sekou, I think the Hawks need to make a move with substance such as acquiring a veteran PG that could run the offense. Bibby, Ridour, Francis, or even Marbury. We have enough expiring contracts that other teams would like to acquire to trim their payroll…. I know, I know. I’m asking the Broken Atlanta Spirit Group to spend money…Geesh, a NBA team on a NHL bugdet (I stole that from you Doc)….

By Astro Joe

December 3, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Sekou, any details from the players meeting that you can share from your sources? Who called the meeting? Was anyone more vocal than usual? Anyone less vocal than usual? Did JJ’s comments about adding vets come up? Did contracts extensions come up? Did the lame duck status of their coach come up? Did Zaza flop during the meeting?

Also, what’s the deal with Wright? How did he go from seasoned veteran big man to a guy who seems no more likely to play this season than Jahidi White? And lastly, any injury updates on Law or Salim for tonight’s game?

By Ryder

December 3, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Enough with the “let’s trade for a veteran PG” talk. What I want to know is he going to continue to mismanage this offense by allowing Josh Smith to shoot 3 pointers whenever he feels like it? Will he continue to stay steadfast in his refusal to draw plays for Horford?

Will he continue to bury Salim on the bench? Will he continue to employ the “have 4 guys stand around and watch JJ shoot” offense?

Astro Joe, as for those “injuries” you speak of, it’s not that Wright, Craig, & Acie are hurt, it’s just that they saw the sorry mismanagement of this team and collectively decided “screw this, we’ll just collect our checks and continue to pretend to be hurt”.

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

By I.MUS WRITE

December 3, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

If a trade is made lets make sure the players we bring in are able to contribute.Our track record bringing in FA’s stinks. Craig Claxton, AJ, Lo Wright… Nuff said-totally useless. Let me beat that dead horse a little bit more. If I were the GM for this team I would bring in a PG or a Center, thats it -thats all this team needs right now.

Calderon/Delfino for Chillz/Solomon

Fresencko for ZAZA

J Jack/ M Webster for ChillZ/Sheldon/Lo Wright.

Ridnour/ Petro for Chillz/Sheldon

Any of these trades would help us out

Calderon, Webster,Fresencko would all be good pickups

By Greg

December 3, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

Simple fix bring Marvin off the bench. Move Jsmooth to the 3 insert Zaza in the starting line with Al Horford at the 4. Our biggest problem in all our loses is interior defense and rebounding. This will enable us to run, and we are a running team not a half court team.

By Melvin

December 3, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

IMUS, only reason I didn’t mention Calderon is b/c the Raptors probably wouldn’t let him go. After watching Portland play last nite. I don’t think they going to trade Jack either. Astro, I will signed Jahidi in a heartbeat…lol..

By Max

December 3, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

just fire the coach… obviously this guy doesnt know how to use the team he has on his hands…. i mean defensive prowess in horford and smith… killer offense in ac law and JJ and a decent center whats the holdup… learn how to use ur team coach…

By Ramon

December 3, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

Greg, the problem with your line up is Zaza can’t rebound. Marvin is just as effective on the glass as Zaza. And against good offensive centers, Zaza will have 2 fouls 8 minutes into the game. Zaza shouldn’t start for ANY BODY!!!

Also Steve, its hard for us to say no one on the team wants to post up. Just because no one is posting up, doesn’t mean they’re given the opportunity. If we don’t know what plays Woody is calling, we can’t truly fault the player for that. Honestly, no one for the Hawks have posted up since Harrington used to post up with his one man game.

By smartguy

December 3, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

I want my money back for the seasons that I had season tickets. If the fans pay good money, and don’t even get to see the Hawks at their best, then whats the point of this? I mean, it really sounds like practice is more intense and competitive than games.

You PLAY to win the game.

By TJ

December 3, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

Sekou, I totally agree with you about firing Woody and making blockbuster trades. At this point into the season, either extreme (as much as I DETEST Woody) likely would not work out like everyone would hope. Although we are 6-9, it is a promising 6-9 nonetheless. This team is already young and does not quite have the chemistry needed to play together well consistently yet. Some teams, like the totally revamped Celtics, can do it immediately. Others, like ours, may take some time. Replacing the coach now or bringing in major talent would totally disrupt this young, promising team. Let’s see what the talent yields this year and reassess what needs to be done with our players and coaches at the end of the year.

Let’s keep in mind that our PG of the future is recovering from injury and should be back very shortly. He was looking very good right before he got injured. And I have confidence that, in time, he will become a PG that can score the ball and make the key passes—just like Chris Paul and Derron Williams have become. PGs that can dish out 10 assists a game and score upwards of 15-20 pts a game.

Greg, why in the world would we bring Smoove off the bench and Zaza as the starting Center? You said one major problem is interior defense, right? I am inclined to agree. So how does playing Zaza, who is 7ft tall and weighs 260, help when he plays HORRIBLE Defense and plays like a guy who never comes close to playing UP to his height and weight. The dude plays like he weighs 160. The only things Zaza has over Horford are his ability to score more (although Horford takes barely 3-4 shots a game—which needs to change by the way) and is more experienced in the NBA. THAT’S IT.

Al Horford can be that Center (albeit undersized), we just do not know yet. And there is no one, no one on this current roster that deserves to start over Horford at Center. Would I like to see a prototypical Center in the future on the Hawks (like a Howard, Shaq, etc type), yes. Should we go after one during the season? No. We just need to play Horford more there and keep Zaza’s soft self on the bench as much as possible.

By laved11

December 3, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

I think now is the perfect time to move Josh Smith. His value is as high as it will ever be and he will command a big deal at the end of the season.

I would like to see the Hawks go after centers Samuel Dalembert or Brendan Haywood for Smith. Both are rebounding, shot-blockers who complement Al Horford’s scoring ability. This also defines roles having Horford play his true position at PF. M. Williams moves to three and ZaZa Pachulia is a good backup at the PF and C spot.

The Hawks could get a new center and probably a 1st round pick for Smith.

By Bahumbug

December 3, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

It is good to hear about the team airing things out. At least some people are concerned as to which way this team wants to go. Ownership and the ‘GM’ could give a hoot, and that’s a shame. Last year they ‘signed’ Slava to a bs contract that had him laughing all the way back to Russia. Now it we have big contracts on Craig Claxton, Wright and might as well go ahead and throw in Sheldon, cause he is about to join them on the bench as it becomes more and more clear that he can’t play. AJ? Knows what a PG is supposed to do, but can’t do it anymore. God knows that he can’t play D anymore too. Please bring in someone to help Joe before he shuts it down. Please stop making Josh Smith the future of the team. Please at least try to push the ball now and again, what happened to all that run run run talk we heard in pre-season. Clean this mess up, that’s what I want for Christmas.

By mavid

December 3, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Sekou, I agree that this team is very fixable. It would really only take 1 or 2 obvious trades (for a quality player or two at those two positions we all know we still need help at).

The problem is twofold. Will BK ever pull the trigger on such a trade? And then the bigger issue: does our ownership situation even allow BK to make such a trade?

By Hawksville Resident

December 3, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

Acie’s back tonight. Our problem’s are over… No but for real he should help out a lot! Go hawks! We have a hreat chance to go 3-1 and get back to .500 this week!

By The Flash

December 3, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

You want ZaZa’s defense to improve? Get him more and better touches. It is a team game, but there are also games within games.

Let Z get lots of touches, he will take these Howards and score the ball on them. Yeap, he will. They will be stronger, and faster, and jump higher, but there will be not one g-ddamn thing they will be able to do to stop him.

Then, on the other end, maybe Z will put out a little more of that cleverness and keep the Howards of the world from getting a dunk, and make them take some 4-7 foot spot that they anticipated that they wouldn’t have to take, knowing that Z man had watzed and gotten easy stuff against them and was likely to do it again.

Scoring get’s much more difficult then, especially with the game on the line.

You used to see it with Shaq. He’d play clever and get little shots and make em in the first halves of games, but when fourth quarter came, and the other team was still in it, and Shed or that Russian of Vladi was scooping him at the other end, Shaq would put down the shoulder and charge every damn time only they didn’t call it.

The lack of scoring inside is the fault of the littles, not the big, and the coach. I still think that the change that has to be made is that Woody has to go.

Drew, if he has any of the Princeton in him, and Doc says he does, will get the bigs involved as the pivot of the offense. Maybe then we’ll see them stop some people too, no, not all the time, just at winning time! That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

If they keep Woody on it is for only one reason: BK! The Spirit made him a promise with the bar set too low, thinking Woody would never make it. They need to step up like the leaders they have long professed to be and tell BK that that was one promise that they should not have made and will not keep.

Then Gearon can finish out the year as the GM, and Drew as the coach. I is well past time: like the Great Bard Bob Dylan once put it, “Okay, I say, I’ve had enough, what else can you show me.”

By I.MUS WRITE

December 3, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

Brendan Haywood? Brendan Haywood?-We are getting really desperate.Haywood is worse than ZAZA no thanks. Dalembert -Horford- Smoove would be good for us,but i think Philli would want to much for him though. Horford can hold his own anywhere in the paint,but why not put him in the best situation to be productive. A big center would take alot of pressure off the guy,I mean he is still a rook and the wall is coming.

Smoove off the bench in favor of ZAZA is a bad idea. When Josh had the apendectomy last year I nearly lost my mind.Lay up after lay up-no interior D -It was very obvious how much his D meant to the team. I saw guyz 6’8 6’7 giving ZAZA and Shells fits in the paint without Josh. J.Oneal or Pau would satisfy me.

JO/ Shawn Williams for JS/Sheldon/Lue

PGasol/Lowry for JS/Solomon/AJ

By Dan

December 3, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

I can only imagine that the players only meeting was totally absurd. First question: Who led it? Joe Johnson? He doesn’t talk. Josh Smith? I’m not convinced he can express a complete thought. Speedy? He is a f’ing a-hole. That meeting will just prove to be worthless.

Would like to see someone added. Hello, Billy Knight! Would be nice if that guy finally did something to help the team, other than signing Speedy Claxton.

By MannyT

December 3, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

In some ways the blog gets stuck like the team. We have this daily loop of wanting to trade a nickel and a dime for a shiny quarter or two.

If the players’ meeting was about improving the way the team communicates and gets things done, I think the hope is that the current core will find a way to play better together.

While the players don’t get to coach, they have more influence on the coaching staff than any of us. Let’s get that rebounding and running thing going. I hope the team can show more of that preseason ball sharing in December than they did in November. Our bench should outperform the opponents’ bench about every night if the Hawks are going to get back on track.

The future starts tonight in Philly with a team that the Hawks can beat. If that goes well, the big show is Tuesday with the Pistons to show if the talk has some walk in the near term.

By MannyT

December 3, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

Dan If they held a players only meeting, someone did enough to make it happen. We are 20% into the season, why all the personal attacks on these guys?

How would you know how they interact with each other off the court?

Give them a chance and give hate a rest.

By JerryWest

December 3, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

If I was Smoove’s agent, I’d have told him to score 30+ tonight, and make sure that 76ers, who are under the cap next summer, throw in all of their $ at him.

Expect a whole lot of chucking tonight.

By bpedrey

December 3, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

what the hawks need is to move smith to the pacers for j.o it would help both teams alot i mean smith is gonna want out next year any ways so mite as well get somethin for him and j.o isnt workin for the pacers so its a win win either way

By I.MUS WRITE

December 3, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

Does BK have the power to make trades? It seems like the owners are sitting on BK’s shoulders like the 2 heads in the Converse Commercial(D wade)

“Hey Billy the Suns called and they want to do a Chillz for Amare deal Straight up”

Billy: “Hell no we have better talent than that stiff, ZAZA and Shelldon are our guys of the future”

I swear i could actually see that happening. If Bk doesnt have the power to bring in players then what the hell is he here for -besides a check. Woody is definitely a problem-if we get players we need via trade, and we run the same stale offense I dont see us getting any better. Just like i dont think D.Williams or CP would be as good as they are if they would have came here to play Woody ball. If Woody is the coach, the players we bring in wont matter. I really believe if we had last years -East All Star Reserves the best we would do is a 4th seed in our conference…. Bringing in another coach and implementing a brand new offense mid season seems to be a bad idea, but what the hell we cant play any worse than we are right now. My boss gave me two tickets for tonights game -I gave them to a co worker, I wanna be able to curse and throw my remote in the privacy of my own home.

By Clyde

December 3, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

Sekou here is the problem with that so called meeting they had: the coach has all control over the team. Woody decides which players go into the game. Woody decides which playes to run. Woody decides the flow of the game. If the playeRs and the coach are not on the same page then thier little meeting ain’t worth crap.

Woody needs to realize some players don’t work in certain situations. If we need defense in the middle Zaza ain’t gonna give it to us. If we need to play a more uptempo kinda game Lue won’t give it to us. Stop being stubborn and change your style up.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By paulmart

December 3, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Too many guys play the same position. Josh/childress/J johnson/M williams - all 2’s and 3’s. Biggest problem was passing on drafting c Paul and picking M williams when you already had the position filled - oops!!!! That said A veteran point guard is the only answer. Philly might take Zaza and a contract (Lue?) for A Miller.

By terrell barron

December 3, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

Fire Woody, hire Mark Jackson.

By Willie Coyote

December 3, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Hopefully someone told Marvin to look for his shot more and make himself a third option less. Hopefully Josh Smith agreed to stop hanging by the 3-pt line so he can heave up another brick. Hopefully shelden can steal some of Zaza’s minutes. Hopefully…

By scott

December 3, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Willie Coyote - you want Shelden to steal some of Zaza’s minutes? To do what? Stand around heavy footed, too slow to defend with no height or ups to rebound, and with no offense. I’m sorry, but at least Zaza brings some rebounding, and offense to the table.

By The Flash

December 3, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

Effective offenses play from the inside out. Some teams, Phoenix, in particular, use dribble penetration with the number one option being the kick-out by Nash, who shoots or takes it all the way only if the defense insists on staying fixed. Otherwise, he creates the inside out play, which leads to an open J or penetration off the catch, or a pass or two that catches the defense in adjustment for something easy.

MW is just beginning, but he right now provides the best hope for a dribble-penetration, inside out game.

Woody has never seen the value of inside out, or at least has not utilized that style. He had two players who have proven to be capable inside catchers and initiators from that position since moving on—some might say that Diaw is more than capable.

I think that ZaZa and Horford both have that capability. On the dribble-penetration, hurt-you-off the-pass-if-you-help-and kill-you-off-the-keep-if-you-do-help side of things, like, I said, right now, it is MW in my mind. When Law comes back maybe he could be the Man in that role.

JJ, to me, is really the finisher.

By Dr. Tobias Funke

December 3, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

I thought Tyson wanted to beat his opponent into “Bolivia,” not “Oblivious.”

By Mike

December 3, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

Absent a trade or firing Woody, there are some settle things that can be done to improve the team performance. Better utilization of personnel during key stretches of games when it’s obvious the offense is struggling. This is a follow-up post from last the blog. Teams are playing the Hawks like they always have. They’re playing JJ physical and making him work for everything he gets. They don’t want JJ to get off to one of his quick starts, they’re going to make someone else from the Hawks beat them. One day before Woody get fired he going to figure that out. If I run my plays through the pivot and run back screens and baseline screens my team is going to be harder to defend. No I’ll give the ball to JJ and hope he can make a play.

Woody needs to shake-up the rotations. Why not give Salim some minutes at the point. That’s the one position where Woody can try something new. Like I stated before Acie is our point of the future, but why not give Salim some minutes at the point, especially against smaller quicker guards. God knows he defense can’t be any worst than TLue.

Get Solo and Shelden more minutes in the rotations. Don’t just go with your usual substitution pattern change things up. Mario, Salim, Shelden, and Solo should get PT every game, how else can you expect them to make a contribution. We all keep talking about team effort, but Woody seldom uses the talent of the whole team to his advantage. There are teams that you actually can play Solo at the pivot, and Al at the PF, move JS to SF and bring Marvin off the bench with Chill. Bringing Marvin of bench makes him your number scoring option, which may make him play more aggressive. When he’s on the floor with JJ and JS no matter how good his stroke is going he’s going to defer.

No way I trade Josh Smith. JS biggest problems is his ill advised shot selection, other that he’s one hell of a player. Most of JS problems can be corrected by the right coach. He is too talented to trade away for some low foyer Big. Unless you’re talking Bynum, or someone of that caliber, better to go FA. What ever center you get, you’re still going need JS shoot blocking, and don’t forget he’s the number one shot blocker in the league. Look around and see how many legit shoot blockers are out there.

Lastly I disagree that a coaching change wouldn’t help this team at this point in the season. Larry Drew is familiar with the guys, and he’s familiar with Woody’s system. If anything you find out if Drew is capable of being your next head coach. The cheap @ss Spirit don’t want to spend cash anyway, so this is the best solution for the team. Whether it’s now or at the end of the season, you know Woody will be fired. Why not give Drew a chance? He communicates well with the young players, and he plays up-tempo basketball.

By Sekou K. Smith

December 3, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

Astro Joe you are hilarious. And no, I didn’t hear anything about Zaza hitting the deck during the meeting (you hater, ha!).

As for Lorenzen, he pulled his hamstring and that’s why the Hawks haven’t had him available. And honestly, I get the feeling he’s the odd man out anyway, because if you play him there are no minutes for Shelden. I guess you could make him active and put Solomon on the inactive list. But there are no minutes for Solomon right now either …

As for details from the meeting, no one is willing to give up anything.

By David Bailey

December 3, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

What’s wrong w/ the Falcons?

Answer: The same thing that’s wrong w/ the Hawks.

Name one team at 500 or better who doesn’t have a serviceable point guard. They have to do whatever it takes(even starting Law)to find a point guard if they have any hope of ever making the playoffs.

By Willie Coyote

December 3, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Scott I think Shelden should steal some or most of Zaza’s minutes because when shelden gets extended playing time he usually produces. Zaza is hit or miss at best and he doesn’t attempt to play defense. If nothing else, losing some minutes to shelden may motivate him to stop flopping and being soft when he gets in the game. At the end of last year when Shelden got some good minutes, he played damn decent.

Don’t get it twisted though, Shelden is definitely not the Hawks answer at the 5. Neither he nor Zaza should be starting NBA centers.

By JerryWest

December 3, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Earl Boykins had 36pts 9 assts on us last April.

Why can’t we just pick him up for the minimum?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/ATL20070406.html

Boykins had 4.4 assists per game last year. Per 40 minutes that’s 5.7 last year and 6.5 over his career.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boykiea01.html

By tb

December 3, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

Please don’t take this as as aggressive; Sekou, do you ever get any real inside info that you can share. I guess that’s a dumb question because it answers itself. Is the ship so tight that you don’t know if Woody and BK share philosophy? Do certain players always seem to flair up at certain others?

Or are these guys so…..good at hiding thier feelings that you never see anything to share?

I think that if I was able to see practice and report honestly I would have a lot to say.

It would probably just make things much worse though.

Second that Astro Joe prop. Very entertaining and astute.

By bill

December 3, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

good article but, you might as well leave out the bit at the end that reminds the fans who manages the team. That bit ruins the fairy tale you had going. Fans don’t show up to Hawks games and management still does nothing. What can you do?

By nbablogs

December 3, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

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By Najeh Davenpoop

December 3, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

The problem with “subtly tweaking the team” is that the Hawks don’t have any assets to trade. Let’s assume that the core of the team is Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, and Al Horford (if you want to include Childress I guess you can too). If you want to trade for a point guard, who among the remaining players is going to get you a significant upgrade at the position? If the Hawks want to get someone like Andre Miller, will the Sixers give him up just for a Pachulia or a Shelden Williams? I doubt it. If the Hawks are targeting someone more along the lines of a Jason Williams, maybe they can pull it off, but would someone like that really be an upgrade over Law and Lue? Probably not. Maybe if the Hawks throw in draft picks it becomes easier to upgrade the team but they already don’t have a 2008 pick, so it’s not like they have much to offer there either. This team is probably going to have to roll with what they got this season. If Joe Johnson and Josh Smith play well consistently, and Woodson lets them run more, this team has a good chance to make the playoffs in the Eastern Conference, but those are big “if”.

By Jhmeid in Downtown Dec

December 3, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Sekou K. Smith:

Any word on the Andre Miller to the Hawks rumors? Thatv guy is the King of the lobs and he would force Titito (Little Tito-Al’s Dad) Horford, Josh and JJ to go towards the basket and he is the Point guard to push the ball (If that’s what Woody really wants?)

We could bring A4 along slowly and he could learn A LOT from Andre Miller.

By Astro Joe

December 3, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

tb, Sekou did tell us that he was essentially “promised” by BK that they would add vets to the squad. That certainly wasn’t public knowledge. Smith’s off-season tutorial with Hakeem and Murphy were first reported here. And we probably would have never heard about the assistant coaches being denied jobs elsewhere if not for Sekou’s reporting. I’d love for him to tell us what he thinks is the necessary minor adjustment to fix this team, but since it likely means that he would be suggesting getting rid of someone whom he may need to get a critical quote from in the future, we’re probably not going to get that insight from a beat writer whose effectiveness is predicated by building realtionships with key people/players. What we REALLY need is an ajc columnist to take more than a passing interest in this team. But alas, we are a college & pro football and Braves city. Other teams get little coverage outside of the beat writers.

Sekou, I was going to pick on a few other players (like Smith & Speedy), but since Zaza made me look foolish after I complemented his game against the Bucks, I went with the Georgia Flopper instead.

By I.MUS WRITE

December 3, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

Yeah I would even give little earl a look at this point. Eventhough he is a defensive liability,he really pushes the ball. E.Boykins could come in with Chillz off the bench in the 2nd-this is where we normally have a lull in scoring.

By Melvin

December 3, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

Najeh, I think the Hawks could make subtle changes by offering their players with expiring contracts to a team like Kings for a Bibby or Knicks for a Marbury. Or even Houston for Francis sents he’s seldomly use their. On another note, I think management will have to decide sooner rather than later whether this roster is capble of making the playoffs as is or some subtle/major changes need to be made. If they feel the this team has enough talent to make the playoffs than they may need to make a coaching change in hopes to improve to improve the play on court. If they feel changes need to be made to improve the roster than we have to make a/some trade(s) before the trading deadline in order stay competitive for a playoff spot.

By Scott

December 3, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Willie, the mirage about Shelden in the last month of the season last year was that he was playing against BUMS - bums on teams who were trying to lose just like our Hawks. He didn’t do that against good competition. I feel bad for him at times, he didn’t make that moron Knight take him at #5. IT’s just that Shelden is SO limited athletically and that was fine in college, not in the NBA. Those 6’7” guys he was up against in college don’t compare to the 6’10” and taller guys he faces now. He is no match for them cause he can’t jump or move his feet.

By kaz

December 3, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

Trade Josh Smith now while you can. Josh and Marvin for Artest or Bibby. Both Hawks have not shown the development that we were hoping for, so we have to let them loose. Josh is still immature and Marvin is still a passive participant. We need to make the playoffs this year. That’s the only way. We have Acie and Horford to build on now. I’ll take my chances with them.

By Joe

December 3, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Once again, it’s just more of the same, same, same. The decade long dance with medocrity continues. The Hawks have some nice pieces but again they just can’t seem to make them fit. If people don’t think the point guard situation is not the main culprit than they surely don’t anything about winning hoops! I’ve been dying to spend money on season seats but after watching some of the games, I’d rather just pay to have the NBA season pass. Very disappointed after way they played during the exhibition season

By Dante

December 3, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

I don’t want to acquire a “healthy PG” Melvin…especially none of the crap you suggested, we already have plenty of that type of retreads here in Johnson, Claxton, Lue….I want Acie Law to be given the reins to this team and run with it….we will be fine once he gets back and learns the position. We don’t need any panic moves, Acie is the real deal.

By I.MUS WRITE

December 3, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

Woody is here to stay, If he is released it probably wont be until the trade deadline.Finding a coach an implementing a new offense is gonna run into March,so why not wait until next year.

By hawkinmassland

December 3, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

to those suggesting that the hawks try to sign earl boykins: have you watched boykins play on a nightly basis? i have, and i can tell you that there’s a reason he’s still available. although he may have put up some flashy point totals against some mediocre competition last year, he has a habit of pounding the ball until he gets a clear out that will allow him to try and create his own shot off the dribble. he absolutely kills ball movement, and even his modest projected assist numbers belie his unwillingness to play a real team game that makes those around him better. oh, and he would kill the hawks on the defensive end.

By I.MUS WRITE

December 3, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Dante u are straight on- Marbury Francis, and Bibby are…….. A WACKSANDWICH If i were starting a team i wouldnt want any of these guys- straight garbage.Well maybe Bibby but we already have old guards and he is like 31-so no on his azz too. Just do what it takes to get Caldreon

By vdunkndunk

December 3, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

What I believe we need most, within reason, is someone like Pau Gasol or Jermaine O’Neal - someone who is still in their prime, who can score in the post enough to add a new dynamic to our offense, and who can replace some or most of what Josh Smith does defensively and on the boards (because Josh Smith is the one I’d trade at this point because of his contract situation and lack of any reliable offensive game thus far in his career).

By roan st

December 3, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

Players only meetings are garbage if your the hawks. These only work if a team is talented and balanced with good coaching in place. Good teams that can light fires under each other and get on a roll. Did the hawks team meeting help Al horford grow 3 inches so he can defend the paint as a true center? Were the players somehow able to perform brain surgery by removing phil jackson’s and planting it in woody’s head? Did shelden drink some magic gatorade that will allow him to become athletic and swift of foot? Did speedy get some brand new bionic knees from the six million dollar man? If not then hawks fans can expect more of the same until some trades are made to balance out the roster and a new coach is put in place.

By Tyger

December 3, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

Hawks v. Hornets

You wouldve thought the Hornets were contending for a top seed the way they systematically dismantled the Hawks.

The Bucks victory was a mirage. It was a kiss and make-up for being blown out by the Bulls. It was nice for one night, but the Hawks havent changed their ways. Win one, lose two, three, win another, thats just who they are: too soft and passive to win on a consistent basis.

Prime example: 5’9, Chris Paul repeatedly threatened to kick 6’9 Marvin Williams’ you know what. I doubt it really would or could happen but at least the lil’ guy has a nasty streak.

And then someone reminded me how he kicked a guy in the jawbreakers a couple years ago, so he’s not faking. And along the way he puts up 30 pts and double digit assists.

We think JJ and Salim can shoot it, but Peja is as pure as it gets and the Hawks have no comparison. As soon as he gets it, its gone and it barely wrinkles the net.

Woody said early this summer that to RUN as everyone clamors for you have to be able to shoot.

Well, we didnt get any shooters, so…do you really think 30 NBA teams are just going to let you run up and down the floor dunking for 48 minutes?

Sekou is right. Maybe a blockbuster is out of the question but some right-sizing is not. Since, Woody refuses to play Lo and Salim maybe we can get something that he can use.

But the truth of the matter is the ATL Spirit are just too cheap. They are saving all the expiring contracts to extend JSmith without going over the salary cap.

Now, somebody, anybody, name one playoff team under the salary cap?

By A-town Vet

December 3, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

With Gasol and Andre Miller on the trading blocks I say the hawks grow a pair and mortage the future and bring these two cats to town. If we could get a lineup with Andre Miller, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Al Horford, and Pau Gasol, I think the Hawks would be competitive for years to come. I think we could acquire those two guys if we give up Sheldon, Salim, Anthony Jonshon/ T- Lue, and either Marvin or Chills. We may have to throw Za ZA or Wrigth in there too but it will be worth it.

By Juan

December 3, 2007 8:36 PM | Link to this

I wonder if they told that bum Speedy Claxton that it is time to stop milking his “injury” and get on the floor?! Get on the court, Speedy!! The whole city knows that you are a fraud and a complete wimp!! Get on the floor!

By Tiger Woo

December 3, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this

Juan,

Let’s face it - Speedy is damaged goods. When you start the season on the injured list after missing the end of last year with the same injury, not a good sign.

By new jersey faithful

December 3, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this

BIG win 2nite!! If we could only play like this every night. Law coming back is HUGE!!!!!!!

By New York Hawk

December 3, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this

Good win tonight…I think I saw JJ smile!!!

By kwooden1

December 3, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this

HAWKS WIN, HAWKS WIN!! Another good win against a rebuilding team, but it’s a win on the road. JS had a stat stuffer game, with 22,7,6 and 4 Blocks. JJ didn’t shoot great but had 7 dimes. Law’s shoot touch was obviously completely gone, but 5 rebounds and 5 assist really helps. I listened to the game on the Internet and Dennis Scott was really impressed by Law’s floor game. I guess I will have to trust him and ignore the stats. Either way the Hawks had 26 assists as a team!! That is good news for a team learning how to play together.

JJ and Law are going to have to shoot a lot better to beat the Pistons tomorrow night, I’m sure the Pistons are going to score more than 79 points. Either way a good win for a team that is learning to play together. (Al is definitely what this team needed)

GO HAWKS!

By bpedrey

December 3, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this

trade j smooth to the pacers for j.o now while his stock is up both teams need it bad with law jj marvin al and j.o u dont need a pg law will b fine

By bpedrey

December 3, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this

trade j smooth to the pacers for j.o now while his stock is up both teams need it bad with law jj marvin al and j.o u dont need a pg law will b fine

By bpedrey

December 3, 2007 9:44 PM | Link to this

trade j smooth to the pacers for j.o now while his stock is up both teams need it bad with law jj marvin al and j.o u dont need a pg law will b fine

By New York Hawk

December 3, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this

I don’t know what was said in that “players only” meeting, but J-Smoove seemed more in control. Not as many wild shots. And Acie did struggle with his shots, but his ability to break down the defense was there, which is nice!

By Steve T

December 3, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this

First of all, let me say that it is good to have AC back. He can drive to the hole which breaks the D down. Give him two weeks and he will hit some shots.

Next JSmith JSmith! Josh needs to play like that every night. He did something he needs to do every night and that is attack the basketball. Don’t worry about what others may say about your lack of jumper because two points are two points. By attacking the basket, you break the defense down, thus leaving Marvin and JJ open for a jumper.

By THE Hawks Fan

December 3, 2007 10:07 PM | Link to this

 Now I think that meeting was verrryyyy well worth it. Not just only a victory, but BODY Language. You can tell from the play tonight exactly what was said. 5 guys in Double figures. Run  Share  WIN!!!

Its games like this that makes u say we are ALMOST there. I really belive that. I SAY NO to a trade this year!!! Unless its for a TRUE center which are no where to be found. We have a deep enough team to play through injuries and DRAMA. Another personality at this stage would be too risky. We need to win 7 games a month until April. We do that and we have a damn good chance at 45 46 wins. GOOO Hawkks!!!

By bewildered

December 3, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this

Tyger Did u not watch the game the other night? Peja was terrible shooting the ball.

By roan st

December 3, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

Hawks fan, you need to settle down a little and put down the liquor. We beat a 5-11 team and now your claiming we will have a “damn good chance at 45-46 wins”. Can we at least put together a three game win streak before we hail this team to greatness. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then. Lets see how well they play against detroit tommorow night before we lose our heads over one victory.

By THE Hawks Fan

December 3, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this

I aint putting @@*#%^&$ down. LOL Dammit, we need 7 wins a month till April and we are going to get them. Im no gonna get bent by winning or losing to Detroit. Whats not gonna happen is a long winning streak. Win a few loose a few hang around .500 and 45 wins is VERYYYYY Realistic!!!! Gooooo Hawks!!!

By terrell barron

December 3, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this

Sekou, does Craig and Lorenzen plan on playing at all this year? Craig would be a good backup for Acie. I dont care if Lorenzen plays or not but I’m still curious.

By Clyde

December 3, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this

Good win tonight. Just like I said before, the success of the Hawks lies in the hands of Josh Smith. Trading him would not be a good idea. Where in the world is Solomon Jones???????

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By jay

December 3, 2007 10:58 PM | Link to this

Andre Miller would work. Here’s a funny but interesting excerpt from a recent ESPN Sports Guy article - “Philly sends Andre Miller to Atlanta for Acie Law IV, Shelden Williams, Anthony Johnson’s expiring deal and the right to swap No. 1 picks once during any draft from 2009 to 2015 (top-10 protected). The Sixers would save $2 million (actually, $4 million when you factor in luxury tax savings) and smartly bottom out with young players for the Derrick Rose/Michael Beasley Lottery, while the Hawks would become a top-five team in the East as long as Josh Smith stays sane between now and April. Of course, the odds of Billy King and Billy Knight pulling off a sensical trade are about the same as those of Michael Richards hosting the BET Awards.”

By randy

December 3, 2007 11:08 PM | Link to this

Just when everyone starts doubting Josh Smith, he goes and has a game like that! Horford is a beast. This kid plays like a vet.

Terrell, to answer your question, the only time this year you will see Speedy in Phillips is when he hobbles in once a week to collect his paycheck. Lorenzon? I don’t know and I also don’t care. Both of them are broken trash.

By Ken Strickland

December 3, 2007 11:10 PM | Link to this

Good win tonight Hawks. This was truely a total team effort. I was really impressed with ALaw. Green scored 23pts tonight, but only 4pts in the 2nd half. ALaw stopped his penetration and shut him down. If the Hawks continue to play DEF like they did tonight, they’ll make the playoffs.

By randy

December 3, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this

Jay, step away from the pipe dude. I doubt Andre Miller would change the Hawks that much and I doubt he is worth two 1st round picks even if one of them is Shellhead. Lets see what Acie can do, granted he did go 0-11 tonight, but did have 5 assts and 2 steals and he just came back from an ankle injury. Besides Hawks are practically a top 5 team in the East already—there are like 10 teams tied for 5th place with 9 losses…

By randy

December 3, 2007 11:26 PM | Link to this

My bad Acie Law went 0-8. Tonight was just warm-up for him.

By Wink from Lithonia

December 4, 2007 12:18 AM | Link to this

The management is not competent enough to make the necessary changes in this team. The Sprit group can’t handle the agree how to spend the resources to make change.(See Steve Belkin vs Sprit Group case - unresolved).

Let’s review some history:

2004 Drafted Josh Childress ( Our 1st pick) could have had AI not Allen Iverson, but Andre Iguodala - he was good enough they let the original AI go to Denver. This is not a slam on Chills, it’s just that he is no neither AI, he’s a 6th man.

Then we drafted Josh Smith ( our 2nd pick), good shot blocker, but not the superstar we want him to be. We sign Joe Johnson as our superstar player - but he is a reluctant superstar. My point they did not look at the mental make up of these players. We need JJ to have a Josh Smith mentality to want to shoot the ball and Josh to be little reluctant and excel at defense & rebounding (a Dennis Rodman who can score.)

2005 drafted Marvin Williams, could have had Deron Williams or Chris Paul. Here we are in 2007, still without a full time point. All the NBA in now game planning to stop these guys. They have both lifted their teams. Marvin is a spot up jump shooter nothing more.

2006 drafted Shelton Williams, could have had Brandon Roy. I believe he was Rookie of the Year. NO ONE is paying the Landlord’s rent.

2007 drafted Al Horford & AC Law. The 1st time they drafted the best player available. Best draft for impact on this team. Good thing Hibbert decided to return to Georgetown!!

The Sprit really can’t judge talent and at this rate rebuilding could take a decade.

Which team would you want?

Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Josh Childress, Marvin William, Shelton Williams, Al Horford, AC Law

or

Joe Johnson, Andrea Iguodala, Josh Smith, (Deron Williams or Chris Paul),Brandon Roy, Al Horford, AC Law

Both need inside presence, but team 2 would be further along and the 2008 draft could address the center position - Best Center Available.

I really don’t care anymore if they win, I just want them to compete, but they can’t figure out what kind of team they are: running, half court, defensive, atheletic, motion offense, triangle, Princeton…what??? Until that is defined personnel will not really matter!!!

By new jersey faithful

December 4, 2007 12:19 AM | Link to this

I think JJ summed it up best when he said usually T lue is out there at the end, but 2nite it was Law out there. Thats one of the big problems..Lue out there in the end and not Law. Now that Law’s back from injury, I think we can expect more results like 2nite!!!

By Juan

December 4, 2007 12:47 AM | Link to this

I hope Speedy Claxton’s useless a$$ was targeted. He needs to be called out by his teammates. I am so sick of this pansy! Speedy is a worthless bum. He has the toughness of a five-year-old girl. He sits his overpaid a$$ on the bench and nurses an “injury” while J-Smoove and Joe bust their collective asses every night! The doctors/trainers can’t find anything wrong because there is nothing wrong. Your teammates probably think you are a bigger joke than I do. You are a fraud and a gutless wimp, too.

By mykhalc

December 4, 2007 1:24 AM | Link to this

i said it for awhile now, give ACIE the damn ball. the cat is a natural leader…PERIOD!!! give him about 5 games to find his groove again and it’ll only get better!!!

glad to see the roster play as a team!!!! they played inspired and together…EVERYBODY!!! and HORFORD, OMG!! luv to watch him battle!! and JS was on a mission tonite!! just needs to dial it in like that as much as possible!!

it’s simple…the 2 rooks GET IT!!! hopefully the rest of the team is ready to follow their lead!!!!

By Mark

December 4, 2007 6:00 AM | Link to this

Hay, guys this blog and your team the Hawkes are a bunch of bums—-pure bums!!

Anyway you can find me at: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/ My blog can kick your blog fanny!!!!

By G Money

December 4, 2007 7:30 AM | Link to this

I hope Mark with the “Niks” learns to spell soon.

Hey, fantastic win last night. What a difference sharing the ball makes. 26 BIG ASSISTS. That’s key for these guys who are purportedly the same size with similar traits. Congrats to Josh Smith for finding his stroke and shooting over 50%. Can’t wait for JJ to find his.

Congrats to Al for making Rookie of the Month for November and starting this month off with a double-double.

It’s obviously huge that the Hawks have Acie back. It doesn’t matter if he’s 0 for whatever. He provides a generalship and special talent at the pg spot that the other guards just don’t have.

If the Hawks can share the ball like last night and not get caught up in the Piston’s physical style of play thinking that they have to go mano-a-mano with them, they have a great shot at winning the game. Let’s hope the mojo doesn’t wear off and the Hawks can make a few wins in a row.

By A Thinking Fan

December 4, 2007 8:12 AM | Link to this

Congrats to AH for making Rookie of the Month for November; let’s bury the “we should of drafted YI conversation, now & forever…”

YI’s gonna do it in his own time, but AH is the right inside player the Hawks needed 3 years ago.

By WPinAZ

December 4, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

I think RYDER got it just about right. The offense is poorly managed and lacks ceativity. Appears Woodson and Paul Hewitt both attended the same Offensive Basketball Symposium. Neither one of them have a clue regarding offensive basketball. I say put together a package INCLUDING JOSH SMITH to bring in another guard to help Acie. If you’re not going to give Salim any appreciable minutes to utilize his outside shooting, then get another shooter who can help Acie and Joe. might as well throw Speedy in that package too. He’s done and we could use his cap $$.

By Mike

December 4, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

Clyde

You and I are in agreement my man. Like I stated before no way you trade Josh Smith, and please give me a break on trading Acie for Andre Miller. If Woody will continue to shake up the rotation and use all of his assets on team, than this team will be fine. Also it would behoove Woody to get Mario, Salim, Shelden, and Solomon at lease 5 min of playing time every game. It gives the other guys time to rest and give these guys time to hone they’re skills. That way when you call on these they’re ready to go.

Props to Nique for talking to Josh Smith. Acie look great out there, we have our PG, just give him time to shake off the rust, same goes for Salim. If he hits those 3s last night, it breaks the game open. If we play all our guys we are a different team. Shelden has played well when he’s been on floor. Can’t say enough about AH. This is his first year, and he’s already defending 7 footers in paint. I think JS and AH will always be interchangeable players, do limited these guys to one position, they are too talented.

Acie was the different in the game last night going down the stretch. He kept penetrating and getting guys open shot, instead of hoisting the ball up like TLue. Man I would love to see a one two punch of Acie and Salim during a stretch of the games when we are struggling for offense.

Great team win.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Ken Strickland

December 4, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this

It’s become amusing to see how some of you get all hyped after a loss or even a good win. The 1st thing you start doing is coming up with all of these crazy trade suggestions. The end result is often very amusing. Some of you think another team would jump at the chance to trade one of their most valuable players in exchange for players even we don’t consider very valuable.

Some of the suggestions would end up making us another version of the Knicks. A bunch of very talented starters with absolutely no chemistry, balance and no bench.

It should be very obvious that BK and the Spirit have committed the last 4yrs to rebuilding through youth and the draft. Common sense should tell you they aren’t, all of a sudden, going to abandon that philosophy just because of the impatience of some fans. Let’s commit to developing a consistent team with the talent we have at hand. Tonight will be another good test of the teams resurgence. We need to repay Detroit for the gm that was taken from us the last time we played them. GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

By Call Me Earl

December 4, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

Great Game Hawks

I was just happy to see them play smart for a change. J.Smith didn’t make too many dumb jump shots. That play when he took AI to the rack in the 4th qtr was nasty. They played good defense, they adjusted half time. They had good ball movement, and they played good team ball. They could work on free throws. Law seemed to help them get into position. He was cold shooting, but he helped set up the offense, and when things slowed down he reset the offense.

By terrell barron

December 4, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Add Andre Miller and were a top 5 team in the East. BOLOGNA! Give me Acie, any day of the week. His shot was way off last night, and I figured that a few people would start talking crazy today. DONT GET IT TWISTED! The Hawks actually look like a team when this guy is on the floor. 5 assists and 5 rebounds in very few minutes is all you can ask for. The shot will come, just be patient.

By A Thinking Fan

December 4, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

AL may struggle tonight. His body/ bio-mechanics will tighten-up tonight unless he can get loosen-up real quick. Most players play well the first game back, but struggle in the next few games…

By atlantasportsfan

December 4, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

Tyson actually said “into Bolivian,” not “Oblivious,” or “Bolivia.” He was a brilliant orator, truly ahead of his time.

By terrell barron

December 4, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Hey Randy,I think you got your drafts mixed up. We could have had Luel Deng instead of Childress. We could have had AI the following year, when we drafted Shelly. I’m almost positive.

By Tiger Woo

December 4, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

I agree with Ken … it’s much too early to talk trades - let’s get everybody healthy - let the current group build some chemistry and experience and see how it plays out.

The Hawks have been inconsistent but are showing signs of coming together.

By Tap Daddy

December 4, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

a thinking Fan that’s very true but he’s young so he should be able to handle back to back games, if not were in trouble…. and I know Philly isnt an elite team, but one thing I liked about last nights game was the ball movement. I didnt see as much one on one play. Hopefully that’ll continue tonight…and Reese I was very impressed with the floor game your boy Josh Smith played last night (see I do give him props when he deserves them lol), however, I would like to see those 4 turnovers come down a bit, but he needs to keep attacking the basket and playing to his strengths….and man it was good to see Acie out there last night…although he didnt shoot it well i thought he did a great job of controlling the tempo and getting into the heart of the defense…We really need him and JJ to be the primary playmakers..hopefully we can compete for 48 minutes tonight and get a win versus a very experienced Pistons team.

By Tap Daddy

December 4, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

oh yeah, and i’m not a Woodson fan, but I think he did a nice job last night of tinkering with different lineups to give Philly different looks. At one time in the fourth quarter he had Acie, JJ, Chills, Marvin and Josh Smith all on the floor at the same time….yeah, that might not be the best defensive lineup however how in the world could Philly match up with that on the other end? Great job of tinkering and making the other team adjust….Plus versus some teams that don’t have a dominating interior offensive big man who says we cant get away with playing Josh at the five and going small? He can guard guys like Dalembert, Ben Wallace, Brendon Haywood, Foster, Perkins, but they have no chance of matching up with his quickness on the other end……..as you probably all can tell, i’m a big fan of the “small ball” lineups..Must be cause I grew up in Cali watching Nellie back in the Run TMC days of Timmy, Mullin, and Richmond.

By Tiger Woo

December 4, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

terrell,

Childress, Deng, and Igoudala all came out together in 2004. Draft order is below:

(1) Orlando - Dwight Howard (2) Charlotte - Emeka Okafor (3) Chicago - Ben Gordon (4) LA Clippers - Shaun Livingston (5) Dallas - Devin Harris (6) Atlanta - Josh Childress (7) Chicago - Luol Deng (8) Toronto - Rafael Araujo (9) Philadelphia - Andre Iguodala (10) Cleveland - Luke Jackson (11) Golden State - Andris Biedrins (12) Seattle - Robert Swift (13) Portland - Sebastian Telfair (14) Utah - Kris Humphries (15) Boston - Al Jefferson (16) Utah - Kirk Snyder (17) Atlanta - Josh Smith

Josh Smith turned out to be a steal at # 17. Other nice picks in 2004:

(26) Kevin Martin - Sacramento (31) Anderson Varejao (39) Chris Duhon - Chicago

By terrell barron

December 4, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Fire Woody, hire Mark Jackson.

By fudd21

December 4, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Terell Barron Chills, AI, and Deng all came out in the same class. Ken S I hardly ever agree with you but I too find it funny that we get so emotional over 1 win or 1 lose. It’s a long season and people have bad nights. I don’t know what was discussed in the players only meeting but I was happy to see 1) Marvin get more shots, 2) Joe force less shots than normal (even though he still forced some, and 3)JS go to the hole more and dish when defense came to him. Maybe in the players only meeting people were called out on what they actually do well versus what they perceive they do well. Also, give AC time. There are alot of trade talk for a PG on here. Let’s see if he can be the PG we need. Many people rave at his floor leadership which is what we need. I too would rather have him than Miller. Lastly, all the talk about trading for J Oneal PLEASE! He has played in like have the games the past several years. This year Indy has a better record when he doesn’t play versus when he does play. Same with Marbury and Francis. They are CANCERS to every team they have ever played on. No way I let them come hear and corrupt the minds of our young hawks.

By roan st

December 4, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

I think some on this board only read box scores and don’t actually watch games. Several of acie’s shots last night didn’t fall when he blew by the defender and his layup attempts just rolled of the rim. It’s not like he was jacking up jump shots that were off the mark. Those layups will start to fall if he keeps driving to the hole. He’s just a little rusty right now from the long layoff. Give the kid some time and he will pay dividends.

Ken, I agree with you on some of the off the wall trade suggestions that don’t make sense. However, I firmly believe that in the very near future the hawks will have to deal one of their forwards. No way they can pay or justify keeping horford, smith, marvin and chills. To much redundancy and need to fill other key positions. Sooner or later somebody has to be dealt to balance out this roster.

By TJ-4-Real

December 4, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

(There’s another TJ on here…)

Anyways, just watched the NBA.com Daily Top 10 (like I do every morning). The Hawks are in there four times. That’s a good sign. But wait…Josh Smith wins the tip, two passes made, and then he goes for the alley-oop?! Yeah, right…that didn’t just happen! He was in the Top 10 3 times, 2 dunks, 1 block. That’s how you know he’s playing well - when he’s creating highlight video footage.

Hallelujah, Acie’s back, no more Lue laying bricks with 3 on the shot clock. He’ll soon get the league respect he deserves (“oh, he’s a combo guard, not a point guard”) and it’ll start with his own teammates. He’s not afraid to get in their face, which is exactly what they need from their point guard. Now you gotta get that shot back. Not too much time to dwell on that victory cuz we gotta play the Pistons tonight. It’s gonna be a nail-biter, hopefully, this time we’ll get the call. Woody already knows not to keep Lue in vs. Billups because they’ll post him up. The Hawks gotta keep the Pistons’ bigs off the backboards.

C’MON HAWKS, GIVE ME A HIGHLIGHT AND A VICTORY!

By new jersey faithful

December 4, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

2nite is the test of the players only meeting. Last night was a warm-up, 2nite is the real test. We NEED to win….PERIOD!!!

By terrell barron

December 4, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Youre right. I was think about B.Roy.

By MannyT

December 4, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

BK fired today after last night’s game

Does Clyde have a cousin in Philly?

By roan st

December 4, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Manny T, you get my vote for the comedian of the day award. Does Clyde have a cousin in Philly? LOL! Maybe hawks fans will luck out and we can get rid of our BK.

By MannyT

December 4, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

I am happier with our BK than our Woody.

Sure the PG issues are troubling. Oddly, he said JJ would be the PG when he brought him here and half the time he is. He has drafted better than PB who couldn’t find a player with a J ;-)

On the other hand, the team has never seemed to respond to Woody in the way he wants. He’s probably a nice guy, but effectiveness has been lacking. He sold me some running shorts in October and traded them in for a walker in November.

Hopefully tonight the Hawks can show a little better than the last meeting w/Detroit and get a win against my favorite old rant—the Hawk for a day

By roan st

December 4, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Manny T, although I’m not a fan of woody at all and would like to see him replaced. It would not be fair to not acknowledge how big of a disadvantage Woody has had because of BK’s blunders. Image how things might be if we had paul or deron instead of marvin or brandon roy instead of shelden. Woody has spent four years in atlanta without a legitimate point guard or any presence in the paint. BK sent the poor guy to a gunfight carrying a butter knife. I agree that woody must go but BK should be sent packing with him.

By BYRON PARKER

December 4, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

I REALLY AGREE THINK THAT THE ATLANTA HAWKS HAS TO MAKE A BOLD MOVE FOR NOT ONLY THE CITY OF ATLANTA AND LET PEOPLE OF ATLANTA KNOW THAT WE ARE MAKING PLAYOFF PUSH FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 9YRS SO PLEASE TRYING TO ACUIRE LIKES OF PAU GASOL OR JONEAL BUT DONT TRADE JOSH SMITH

By terrell barron

December 4, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

The Bobcats have signed Verajo to an offer sheet. Say what you want about Jordan as a GM, but at least he’s TRYING TO DO SOMETHING.

By ray

December 4, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Philly isn’t a good team, but that was still a good win. Some observations:

THE TEAM MEETING. Something must have happened in that meeting. Don’t know what, but I noticed a few changes on the court last night. Some will be mentioned here in a little bit.

Smith vs. Iguodala. C’mon, don’t tell me you weren’t watching for this. I know I was. One game, true. But Iggly definitely didn’t look better than Smith last night. Iggy couldn’t take control of the game. Smith DID. We’ll see what happens next time. Oh, and Smith shot a LOT better than Iggy, hands down.

THE ROOKIES. While it never has been or is a good idea to think that the addition of these two rookies alone is going to make the Hawks a playoff team, there’s no denying their impact. You can’t tell me Acie doesn’t make a difference. A big difference. Despite the fact that he couldn’t hit a shot, he still only had 2 turnovers and added 5 assists. Not to mention the one thing stats never tell about: leadership. He was constantly being vocal, playing good “D”, and encouraging guys. I enjoyed seeing him in action.

Horford is the man down low. Admit it, this guy gave the 7-foot Dalembert more than he could handle. If Al was anywhere near Dalembert, it was hell for the Sixers center to get a rebound. Al just about owned him. And if not for sitting most of the 4th quarter due to foul trouble, Al would’ve come close to 20 rebounds. As it is, another solid double double. Here’s to hoping he can defy the odds and provide this kind of production (with even better offensive numbers) all season.

Josh Smith(again). This is without a doubt the first time I’ve seen Smoove take over a game. You could cite the 38 points he scored earlier this season and be wrong. That wasn’t taking over a game, that was simply having a damn great game individually. No, last night he took over. His shooting selection and percentage was GOOD. Would love to see more performances like this from him. OH, and that “And 1” facial he administered to Jason Smith after abusing his initial defender (was that Iguodala?) was hands down the absolute best post move I’ve seen from him yet! It was good to see that he let the offensive game come to him.

Game Plan Changes. All too obvious to anybody who knows: Lock up JJ by doubling and tripling him, not allowing him but long outside shots. It was good for once to see two things: JJ shipping the ball to others instead of trying to initiate and execute the offense himself, and the other players stepping up. Especially…you guessed it: Josh Smith.

Now, will this happen again against a much more talented and disciplined Pistons team? I wouldn’t bet the farm on it. However, I expect to see more of the same things I saw last night, not to mention some inspired play. Hopefull it translates into a win. We’ll see.

By ray

December 4, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

MannyT, that was a good one…Clyde’s cousin in Philly…heh, heh!

By just curious

December 4, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

BYRON PARKER, how old are you?

By randy

December 4, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Haha, MannyT, when you said “BK fired today after last night’s game”, I was jumping up and down with joy thinking you meant Hawk’s BK. Then I clicked on your link…

By Ryder

December 4, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

Good analysis, Ray. I’m with you Randy, when I heard that BK was let go, I had a Fred Sanford moment “I’m comin to join ya honey.” Then I heard it was Billy King. Oh well, our BK has done a good job. Then again, drafting Horford and Acie was basically a no-brainer.

That said, is there any way they can set this team up to have Larry Drew call the offense and then Woodson can call the defense only? Woody seems much more comfortable calling defensive sets, but is lost when it comes to offense. I know it sounds crazy, but perhaps this will allow this team to be taught to their overall strengths.

Fortunately the presence of Acie (unlike some pgs he actually cares enough to come back) helped this team reach over 25 assists. For a team capable to running up and down the floor this should be the norm.

By Ken Strickland

December 4, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

It’s obvious ALaw is not at the top of his gm, especially conditioning wise. However, he showed me enough last night to say, HE IS A KEEPER. When Acie is in the gm, opposing PG’s have not hurt us. He has played against some of the better PG’s in the league in his short stint as a starter. He has managed to hold all of them in check.

A lot of fans have a tendency to judge a PG’s value based on his OFF output and/or assists. When Acie is on the ball, our overall DEF is much better. He made Green a none factor in the 4th qtr. On OFF, the treat of him penetrating forces DEF’s to play honest, especially against JJ.

Against Detroit, MWilliams and JSmith will determine the outcome. I believe Detroit will play RWallace on the perimeter to pull Horford away from the basket. JSmith will have to punish them inside and MWilliams will have to force Prince to play him tight outside. This will be a good gm and a good measuring stick for the Hawks.

By cp

December 4, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

Good win last night. When they share the ball and guys are attacking the hoop the results are a lot better than when they stand around shooting jumpers. Horford is a beast enough said. Im glad Acie is back. Give him a few games to get his legs back but its no doubt he has a positive impact on this team. Detroit is going to be a tough game but we have to come out early with energy. We cant afford to come out slow and sloppy.

By Tap Daddy

December 4, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

Ken Strickland I agree with you regarding Acie…forget the shooting stats (i’m sure he’ll start knocking them down once he gets his legs back) but having that floor general is a necessity if we’re to turn this thing around and start winning..we need a fiery guy like that to get these guys going..JJ as good as he is doesnt have that mentality to get in guys faces if they arent doing their jobs and bark out directions but trust me, Acie will….and it was good to see Woodson trusting him in the fourth quarter last game. I know Woodson prefers his vets in crunch time but Acie was known for not just taking the big shots in college but knocking them down, hopefully he’ll let him get those end of game minutes in the future…

By ScoobySnacks

December 4, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

Was anybody else offended by the poll question. Is the season lost and are the Hawks too many games down in the standings. Good grief. We are a half game out of a playoff spot, and only about three games out of third or fourht place. Good gravy. Are our reputations as Hawks fans so bad that someone actually believes a mojority of us would have given up already. My goodness. Give us some credit. Sixteen games into a very long season people.

Sure some things need fixing, but I don’t think it is time to panic about the standing or the roster for that matter. Maybe another key piece would help, but it is not time to act brashly.

By Tap Daddy

December 4, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

scoobysnacks I wasnt offended by the poll, but I did think it was waaaaaay to early to be asking if we’re out of the playoffs race after a dang month….a 4 or 5 game win streak would put us right in the thick of things so dont count our team out and dont pay attention to those crazy poll questions.

By just curious

December 4, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

I think the Pistons have won their last 3 games by 28 or more. If we get this win, our confidence should rise tremendously. If you guys were GM for a day, would a win tonight in Detroit save Woody’s job? I’d love to hear everyone’s thoughts. Ken,Ando,Ray,Roan St. etc…

By terrell barron

December 4, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

Fire Woody, hire Mark Jackson.

By Lil E

December 4, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

If AC is anywhere near %100, we can definately beat the Pistons. We had the game taken away from us last time by Donaghy’s little brother.

By Ryder

December 4, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

just curious, and if Detroit blows out Atlanta by 40 points tonight then what? Do we fire Woody and start crying for a veteran pg AGAIN? Do we revisit the old “we have no center” argument AGAIN?

In other words, the only way this Woodson issue becomes a problem is if Atlanta loses to teams they should beat. For example, the remainder of this week they play the T’Wolves and the Grizzlies. Those are games the Hawks should win. As for the Pistons, it would take a strong mental effort not to settle for jump shots the second they start trailing.

By terrell barron

December 4, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

The guy that I’m worried about is Jason Maxiel. Excuse the spelling. How do we stop him, if Rasheed pulls Al from the paint. We need another monster game from Smooth on the defensive end to have a chance.

By HB Ando

December 4, 2007 7:44 PM | Link to this

Astrophysics? Is that the physics of Joe?

Terrell Barron, per an earlier post, Billy took Chills over both Deng AND Igoudala. Doh!

Philly has done what Atlanta needs to, and has needed to for a long time, do: fire BK. As bad as that team is, the organization is at least smart and honest enough, with itself and it’s fans, to cut their losses and find new leadership. For that, I commend them.

After tonight we’ll be 7-10, and on pace for 34 wins.

Ryder, I haven’t seen any reason to stop calling for the heads of Woody and Billy, and the acquisition of a legit center. But I also understand that salary cap and rookie contract considerations, for our most likely trade pieces, make it pretty unlikely that we’ll see anything happen of significance. Can’t project any major changes this season. And, not coincedentally, can’t project any change in the outcome of this season, from last (just like it was predicted this pre-season).

By HB Ando

December 4, 2007 7:52 PM | Link to this

Hawks looking better than I figured, given that they played on the road, and won last night. Be interesting to see if their legs will hold out through the fourth quarter.

But the effort is there, and that’s nice to see. Maybe their little meeting had some value this past weekend.

By Najeh Davenpoop

December 4, 2007 8:12 PM | Link to this

Al Horford is having the Ben Wallace effect on this team. Everyone else assumes he will get the board, so they don’t even try. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not blaming Horford at all, I’m blaming the other frontcourt players like Marvin Williams for example. 9 offensive boards for Detroit in the first half is atrocious. That’s not a matter of talent, it’s about effort and fundamentals, and it’s the difference in the game right now.

By JJ

December 4, 2007 8:56 PM | Link to this

Problems with this game:1.After a great game by Josh smith he thinks heis kobe and tries to shoot the ball.2.woody takes out acie when he is on fire.3.Joe is in a slump.4. Marvin still can’t play defense.Dman I hate 2 watch this team.Fire woody.

By Ryder

December 4, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this

….and then the Pistons woke up and realized that Atlanta doesn’t belong in the same building as they do.

This is the problem with the Hawks. They can hang with the Sixers and T’Wolves of the league, but put them up against elite squads like Boston, Detroit and San Antonio (ie teams who play defense) and they get whacked!

What’s even sadder is that it has nothing to do with a lack of talent on the floor, I do believe Atlanta is talented. The problem is that they lose the game mentally to veteran squads. That doesn’t come down to coaching, that comes down to the players not knowing how to play as a team on both ends of the floor.

Oh, and Ando, if the Hawks come out with the same flat effort against Minnesota and Memphis on Saturday then I’ll jump on the fire Woodson bandwagon. I’ll even volunteer to drive it into Phillips Arena!

By Ramon

December 4, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this

Ryder, the Hawks didn’t come out with NO effort tonight. They just gave out. Not many teams in the league can play one night, get on the plane the same night to go play the next day without giving out from being tired. The Hawks legs gave out, and if you don’t have your legs, as a team, it will be tough for a team to compete on the second night.

The Hawks CAN play with the Pistons, they’ve proven that last game and the first half. This just proves what we’ve been saying about Woody using his bench in the right situations so players won’t grow exhausted over the season. The Hawks played hard for as long as they could.

JJ, you said Josh came out shooting like Kobe. So I’m curious, what game did you EVER see where Kobe only had 10 shots in the first three quarters. Smooth shot 50 percent tonight, without launching any terrible 3pt attempts. So what else do you want him to do?

By Astro Joe

December 4, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this

Sekou, okay, it’s time to ask the question… did Joe Johnson pout during the summer as opposed to work on his game? Or did he rehab his bad leg and not work on his game? I think it is time to get answers to why our superstar, who has been disgruntled since draft night, has started this season in such a very, very poor fashion. Defenses focused on him last season. He had the same lack of a big man, the same inconsistent PG play, the same surrounding cast. The same coaching staff. Surely Batista and Ivey were not factors in him playing at an All-Star level. And surely Law and Horford are not hurting his play now. So why is our $15M+ player looking like a dude playing for the vet’s minimum?

By Ryder

December 4, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this

Astro Joe’s got a point….for the past four games Joe Johnson has played not played the way he’s supposed to. The only time we hear from him is when he’s complaining about not having this and not having that. Why is it he can be so vocal to the press but not that vocal on the court?

Ramon, i’d like to revisit this issue after Thursday’s game. What bothers me the most about this team is that there doesn’t seem to be an adjustment when things aren’t working. I don’t know if tonight had anything to do with bad matchups or what, it just seemed that they looked so overmatched in spurts, and this team no matter how tired, has to start getting better at making adjustments.

I do agree with you in regards to Josh Smith. Is it me or did that meeting placed something in his head not to take wild shots?

I guess what bothers me the most is that I see teams that are much sorrier than the Hawks have much better records.

By Clyde

December 4, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this

Astro Joe you beat me to the spot. Joe Johnson has not been playing like an all-star this year. Your go to guy is suppose to pick your team up in big games. But what happened tonight against Pistons? 5 POINTS.

I know it may be early but Joe has a lot trade value.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By Tiger Woo

December 4, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this

OK … I just got home from the game … these are my observations:

I’m with Clyde now … get rid of Woody. Detroit coach is up on the sideline, involved in the game - Woody sits on the bench like he doesn’t even care - at least act like you’re involved.

Why does Anthony Johnson start - or even play? He is garbage.

Shelden Williams is a wasted # 5 pick.

Marvin Williams has done nothing to convince me that the Hawks shouldn’t have drafted Chris Paul or Deron Williams.

Joe Johnson was sleep-walking tonight. What a sorry performance.

Why does Woodson wait until garbage time to put Salim in the game? Nobody else was doing anything, especially in the 3rd quarter.

Finally, Detroit played the game like it’s supposed to be played - with defensive intensity.

By terrell barron

December 4, 2007 10:32 PM | Link to this

Good to see the other guys get a chance to play. Cant expect us to beat a team like the Pistons on a back to back. The question is, will we bounce back?

By Daniel

December 4, 2007 10:35 PM | Link to this

I just listend to the game online. I have been an advocate of ‘staying the course’ with this team for awhile but this is getting pretty bad. Time to thank Woody for his time and effort and see what happens while we can still save the season. The only question is who do we get to replace him?

JJ seems to have tuned out. What’s his deal?

By Clyde

December 4, 2007 10:38 PM | Link to this

Oh yea Deron Williams is having an all-star year while Marvin is having another year of confusion. There is one word to describe Marvin’s game right now:LAZY. On the floor it seems like all he wants to do is score. I’ve been hard on Jchill in the past but I think he needs to start in favor of Marvin.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By Ramon

December 4, 2007 10:38 PM | Link to this

I wonder could JJ get us Jason Kidd and Marvin and someone get us Jamison. Just a thought. LOL.

By Astro Joe

December 4, 2007 10:53 PM | Link to this

13-45; 37 points in his last 3 games. Let’s here our maxed out player and wannabe GM talk about that.

By cp

December 4, 2007 10:57 PM | Link to this

I really try to support Marvin but I think im ready to admit that this kid just doesnt have that “it” factor to be a great player. He will be a good player but he doesnt have a mean streak in him nor is he very agressive. Nice kid but he just does not bring it every game. Might be better to bring him off the bench but at this point i still dont think he would be more agressive coming off the bench instead of starting. I said a while back that if Joe says he doesnt want to be here then trade him because this year he really seems to be lacking everything that made me like him. He seems to be going through the motions.

By Tiger Woo

December 4, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this

Clyde,

I agree with you on Marvin. J-Chill is bringing much more to the table right now. His jumper is suspect, but he crashes the boards and plays much better defense than Marvin.

This is the year that Marvin was supposed to justify his # 2 pick status. He’s had some good performances - then he has a stinker like tonight - 2-5 from the field in 27 minutes. Joe Johnson was a no-show - Marvin should have stepped up and shown some leadership.

I mean, Jarvis Hayes comes in and lights them up for 17 points in 17 minutes … Jarvis Hayes.

By ray

December 4, 2007 11:06 PM | Link to this

Not an unexpected butt whoopin’. They’re better, we fell apart. Salim scores 15 in about 15 minutes. How much you want to bet he won’t play a single minute against the Timberwolves? Yep…even a win doesn’t stop the guillotine for Woodson. So a loss couldn’t possibly help.

Oh, and Horford gets 10 rebounds. Again. Stud…..

Detroit’s team defense is outstanding. JJ wasn’t just locked down, he was locked OUT.

By Samuel I AM

December 4, 2007 11:16 PM | Link to this

Sekou find out what is wrong with Joe Johnson. Our leader hasn’t been the same all year.

By Najeh Davenpoop

December 4, 2007 11:26 PM | Link to this

I attribute Joe’s struggles right now more to just a shooting slump, which every good shooter goes through every once in a while. That said, if Billy Knight had any balls he would be picking up the phone, dialing the Lakers, and seeing what kind of package centered around Joe Johnson it takes to get Kobe. In an earlier post I was talking about how the Hawks have very few tradeable assets outside their core, but when you have a player like Kobe available on the trade market it is worth breaking up your core to get him, especially when you are not winning. If the Hawks can offer a Joe Johnson-centered package while keeping either Josh Smith or Al Horford (ideally even both, but that’s unlikely), they should go for it. Would the Lakers bite on an offer of Joe, Marvin, Al Horford and a lottery-protected first rounder? I’d think that’s a pretty realistic offer, considering the offer they accepted in the Shaq trade. A lineup of, for example, Acie Law, Kobe, Childress, Josh Smith and Zaza Pachulia would be at the very least better than the current team, I would think.

By Tiger Woo

December 4, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this

Joe Johnson has been in a bit of a shooting slump lately, but I don’t think anything is wrong with him. Defenses are really keying on him this year - double teaming him at every turn and making it very difficult for him - and why not?

Who else on the Hawks is a real scoring threat? Marvin doesn’t have a scorer’s mentality - both of the Joshes have suspect jump shots - Horford is a nice player, but not a polished offensive force yet.

By Ken Strickland

December 4, 2007 11:45 PM | Link to this

It seems Woodson is bent on trying to turn the Hawks into his version of the Pistons. We successfully started the season playing an uptempo OFF. At the 1st sign of trouble, Woodson has used every excuse possible to revert back to his beloved pick and roll half court OFF. There are very few teams that can consistently match Detroit in the half court gm. The Hawks certainly aren’t one of those teams.

When we run, we either win or get big leads. As soon as we get a big lead, Woodson goes to his beloved pick and roll half court OFF to protect that lead. He seems to have a very limited comfort zone and can’t seem to adjust beyond that no matter how positive the results. Throughout his career as a player and assistant coach, he has been indoctrinated in the controlled half court OFF style. It’s time for a coaching change. Larry Drew was an uptempo type player and always played in that type of system. Pushing this team in that direction would not be outside his comfort zone or his experience as a former player.

JJ seems to be allowing the teams problems to affect his consistency as well. He hasn’t been doing very much of either end of the court. He’s certain not playing up to his talent. He looks frustrated on the court. FIRE WOODY, that one’s for you CLYDE.

By Tiger Woo

December 4, 2007 11:46 PM | Link to this

Najeh,

Kobe Bryant would look nice in a Hawks uniform, but Kobe would never approve a trade to Atlanta. Kobe is all about winning championships - he would never accept a trade to a team that isn’t even as good as his current team. The Hawks would be foolish to part with Al Horford anyway. Let’s give ‘em Shelden Williams instead!

By Melvin

December 4, 2007 11:53 PM | Link to this

Alright HBAndo, OJ Mayo or Derrick Rose? I think OJ would look good in a Hawks uniform. I know, I know we don’t have a 1st round pick in 08 draft. Maybe we could trade Marvin and move JJ to the 3. Weight in as well Astro….

By reese

December 5, 2007 12:10 AM | Link to this

I hate these 7:00 pm start times. I missed all but 1 minute of the first half. The 3rd qtr was putting me to sleep and the play of salim, JC and Solomon woke me back up.

I’m not even going to comment on the starters because I missed most of their play.

I like Salim’s aggressiveness on the offensive end. He tries on the defensive end but flip murray had his way with him.

I liked solomon Jones rebounding and willingness to take shots on the offensive side. I like that he challenged shots on defense.

Childress played an efficient game. However, he doesn’t have that killer instinct. He is playing against Detroit’s subs and still only takes 7 shots for the game. Salim played 18 less minutes and took more shots than childress. Yes, Childress was our leading scorer with 18 pts. However, we needed him to score 30.

Mario West continues to hustle. I just wish he had some talent.

Shelden Williams is a short stiff. He let Flip Murray get a running start and dunk over him. He didn’t even try to jump to challenge the shot. This is in the 4th qtr when the hawks second team is making a mini comeback. Its time to switch the playing time of Shelden and solomon for awhile. Lets see what the skinny kid can do with some extended playing time along with Josh Smith and Al Horford.

AC Law has impressed me the past two games. I like that fact that he pushes the pace and is not afraid to penetrate into the lane. He made some nice shots tonight while driving in the lane. He needs to be the point guard with the most minutes so that we can see what we have.

Al Horford continues to rebound. I didn’t see him play too much tonight. I don’t like the combination of horford and shelden in the game at the same time. Also, I saw horford grab 2 offensive rebounds and he didn’t even look at the basket. He just passed the ball back out to another player. This is the same thing that use to irritate me about Shelden williams. Also, I think that Al was intimidated by Detroits front court. Especially Jason Maxiel.

Tappy Daddy, I try not to get to high when Josh plays well or too low when he does not. However, now I understand why we like different facets of the game. I don’t like small ball with this team.

I don’t think that Jchill or Marvin rebound well enough to make up for Josh Smith trying to block shots. Marvin plays poorly on the defensive side. Both he and JChill are not strong enough or aggressive enough to fight for position or loose balls. I don’t think that Marvin, JChill or JSmith dribble well enough to take advantage playing small ball. Also, I don’t like the fact that our guards (jj, tlue, AJ) are poor rebounders and do not push the pace. They prefer slow ball.

However, when big men like Samuel Dalembert and Hilton Armstrong grab offensive rebounds and don’t even look at the basket or when they don’t try to post up the smaller hawks players, then I really can’t blame woodson for using that tactic to change the pace of the game. It worked against Philly.

By Clyde

December 5, 2007 12:27 AM | Link to this

Welcome to the team Ken Strickland. I was wondering when you would see the light. I have a FIRE BILLY AND WOODY t-shirt waiting on you. Now its time to bring my shadow clyde=moron around. By the way does he talk about basketball anymore?

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By Clyde=moron

December 5, 2007 1:33 AM | Link to this

No need to be a douchebag anymore than you already are, Clyde. All you and smartguy ever do is coo like schoolgirls at Smoove and then bash everyone else on this Hawks team.

The Pistons have been tearing down every team they’ve been playing. They’re the best team in the East. The Hawks are #8 or #9, and are just getting 2 guys back from injury. I give them a pass this time.

You tear this team down when they lose, but then clamp up good when they win. It’s the same stupid bull$h!t every time - when the Hawks win, it’s because of Smoove. When they lose, it’s because of Woodson.

The fact that you even suggested trading JJ - who, as Sekou said ON THIS BLOG POST, is the Hawks best player - just shows how freaking stupid you are.

Go masturbate to your picture of J-Smoove and peddle your t-shirts, loser.

By kwooden1

December 5, 2007 6:14 AM | Link to this

From what I heard tonight I agree with Daniel but I think it is most of the team. (Tuned out) You can tell out of timeouts, because they consistantly seem like they get a bad shot. Either Woody puts in a bad play or their not listening. Team only meeting is probably another sign of them tuning the coach(s) out. Good to see JS take good shots, but JJ is struggling a little bit. This was touch match-up for Hawks, even though the they had a good chance to beat Detroit earlier in the season. I just hope that the Hawks take a note from the 76ers and make changes while they can still have an effect on these guys and this season.

GO HAWKS!

By Samuel

December 5, 2007 6:33 AM | Link to this

I think last night just showed where we stand in terms of talent. We just don’t have it. When your best two players are under 21, what does that tell you.

I’ve been saying all year that I believe JJ is the one who needs to be packaged. It’s obvious that he’s not happy. It’s not that teams are doubling him that much, he’s missing wide open jumpers. The only time he’s able to score consistantly is when he goes to the basket.

I also told yall a long time ago that Marvin Williams has a low Hoops IQ and his feet are too big. You’d play lazy too if you had to carry 50 lbs of dead weight around every night. He’s basically looking like he did at Carolina. There’s 10 or more players in that draft who are better than him.

I say lets shake things up here. It’s a shame that a Basketball town like Atlanta has to endure such garbage. The Hollywood of the South and we can’t have a winning basketball team. A crying a$$ shame

We got an Ole School, Richard Roundtree, Gladis Knight and the Pips GM in a Jay Z and Usher town. That just don’t square.

Somebody get Oprah on the phone. Surely she’s interested in an NBA squad. GEEEZUS!!

By A Thinking Fan

December 5, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this

Sam that’s a great line, “We got an Ole School, Richard Roundtree, Gladis Knight and the Pips GM in a Jay Z and Usher town. That just don’t square.”

Clyde I’m with u brotha!!!

By terrell barron

December 5, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this

Sekou, what’s up with Joe Johnson? Something’s just not right with him. Joe, Marvin, T-lue and Lorenzen for Kobe. haha

By Melvin

December 5, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

Samuel, I agree with ATF. That line was classic….LMAO. What about Marvin for Corey Maggette(misp). He’s a guy that’s capable of penetrating off dribble to get to the rim, draws tons of fouls, and play better defense than Marvin. B/c of his ability to put the ball on the floor and slash thru the lane he would be an ideal 2nd score that this team needs. His game compliments JJ and Jsmoove game well…

By tbones

December 5, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

The Hawks problem is very simple. No viable PG. They have some very good pieces at all positions with the exception of PG. They really need to push a trade to try to aquire Calderon. Even if you have to overpay a little, because with a good PG, they will always be in a bad situation.

By moron=moron

December 5, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

I can’t get Woody’s woody out of my mouth long enough to actually watch a game. Thank goodness Joe has carried us these last few games.

By Lil E

December 5, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

We don’t need to make any trades to become a winning team. We’ve got a PG, but it seems the PG just doesn’t have a lot of plays to run. Marvin always seems to look lethargic. He doesn’t seem to play with passion, and could have been broken down by the losing culture of the Atlanta Hawks. I really think the Atlanta Spirit cares little for the fans, and are content with this sub-par product as it is, considering the team has no true owner. The Hawks are going to be rebuilding for the next 5 years unless the Spirit sells the team or fires Mike Woodson. Why do I get the feeling the Hawks might be leaving Atlanta…?

By Tap Daddy

December 5, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

For all of you guys dreaming of seeing Kobe playing in a Hawks uniform please understand Kobe has a no trade clause in his contract and he isnt gonna approve any trade that brings him to a franchise that isnt committed to winning….No way in the world he signs off on a trade here to Atlanta…and as much as i get on Josh Smith it’s time for me to voice my displeasure for the play of our franchise player Joe Johnson. I’m not sayin trade the guy, but we need more from him. If he’s our “go to guy” or our “max player” please start playing like one…and it’s not about his jumpshot, i’m really not concerned with that…but if it’s not falling for him there are so many other ways he can lead this team. I just don’t see him playing with “passion” that the great leaders possess. And i’m not asking him to become a rah-rah type of leader, he’s just not the vocal type, but your EFFORT and PASSION should speak for itself….Take Jason Kidd for example, he’s not the most vocal of guys but he plays so damn hard that his teammates have no choice but to follow suit…We need Joe to step up not now, but right now…

By I.MUS WRITE

December 5, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

Our starters really didnt look good last night, but itz okay we are going to have bad games especially on a back to back. On a positive note-our bench players played well despite the 21 point lead midway through the 3rd. Salim has to get more minutes -the guy puts up a point a minute,14 pts in 15 minutes. His defense is much improved,when given minutes Salim puts up numbers and he does’nt kill us with his shot selection.

I might have been wrong about Solo, he is still a stick figure, but he is super long-which translates into block shots and boards. Solomon showed me more in 8 minutes than I saw from ZAZA and Sheldon all season. Since we are’nt gonna make any trades give Solo and SS some playing time, they are’nt the long term answers but they do give us Defense and scoring.

Sheldon has’nt finished a dunk all season. Thats pitifull. Looking back at the last 3 drafts if I were the Gm it would have went this way. 2004- Josh Howard#6 Smoove#17 2005- Deron Williams #2 Salim #33 2006- Brandon Roy #5 2007- AL #3 Shawn williams #11

2003 Diaw being shipped in the JJ deal.With these picks we are set at every position.Cant go back to 2004 but its nice to see what could have been.

PG- Deron Williams Sg- JJ Sf- J Howard Pf- Josh Smith C - Horford

Bench: T Lue,Salim, B Roy, Shawn Williams

By Ken Strickland

December 5, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

TBONES, Calderon looks good because he’s playing in a system and a style that fits his talents. We started the season playing an uptempo OFF and ALaw’s performance was comparable to Calderon’s. However, Woodson has since abandoned the uptempo style and everyone seems to be having problems, performance and attitude wise.

Woodson seems to think if you play tough DEF for 48mins, you don’t need a designed OFF approach. This team doesn’t have enough outside shooters to be consistent in a half court OFF. Every Detroit starter is a good outside shooter. In fact, all but maybe Maxil and Nazee are good outside shooters. Detroits OFF is designed to take advantage of their players individual talents. Our OFF isn’t.

We have a team of quick, fast, high flyers, yet we seldom use the lob pass. We no longer run and we don’t run players off picks for open shots. Woodson’s OFF uses picks to get player open to receive passes in certain spots. Otherwise, it’s pick and roll. The Hawks have a lot of exciting, talented players. Woodson has imposed his own limitations on this team and reduced it to an inconsistent, unimaginative frustrated group of individual players. I don’t blame BKnight for the players he’s put together. In that area, he’s done a good job. I blame him for hiring a coach that can’t take full advantage of that talent. I also blame him for not firing that same coach. SEND ME ONE OF THOSE DAMNED SHIRTS CLYDE.

By randy

December 5, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Is that why Marvin always waddles around out there cuz his feet too big? Marvin is a bust…too soft, too lethargic, too inconsistent. I would start JChill even tho he isn’t much better. Face it we have no PG and no Center which equals lousy offense and lousy defense. After the first few games I thought 42 wins was possible, but after 10 games I could see that they were a 32-34 win team. NO PLAYOFFS AGAIN! bye bye Woody!

By A Thinking Fan

December 5, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Sam u nailed it: Ole School BK - the Richard Roundtree, Gladis Knight and the Pips GM in a Jay Z and Usher town…

That’s the new theme for BK, the Spirit, & MW!

By Flappin Hawk

December 5, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

We’re stuck with what we have this year. No trades…no aquisitions…probably no new coach. So the biggest red flag, and it’s waving big time, is Joe Johnson’s struggling game. Joe is having a miserable & exhausting season. But almost everybody doubles him at points in the game and if he cant make better passes we are doomed. He’s struggling with the well defensed shot, but what is worse is his open looks are clanging off the rim. No one can argue he is NOT the JJ of last year. Maybe his off season conditioning was bad…who knows…but if JJ had a decent night last night we would have at least made a closer game with D-town. C’mon JJ, if you cant hit the shot, PASS THE BALL!!!

By randy

December 5, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Ken, “I don’t blame BKnight for the players he’s put together.” HAHA, OK let me go down the list. Shelden William at #5, everyone knew this was stupid and it turns out everyone was right—boy B.Roy who was slated at the five pick looks good right about now. Speedy was broken before he came here and yet BK gives him a long term high paying contract figuring the past doesn’t fortell the future. Lorenzen, remember that old guy that fouls out alot, who isn’t playing, also overpaid…enough said. Marvin, I can’t put too much blame on BK cuz everyone said what great potential he had, even tho it was based on the 2 or 3 minutes he played a game at NC as a backup. And it was no secret that what we needed was a PG that year (as every year after that), I was thinking Deron that year. Bottom line, after 4 years of drafting all Forwards we don’t have a balanced defense that can spread the floor and take advantage of guys like Josh and Horford. I do agree Woodson is trash that needs to go, but BK deserves a fair share of blame.

By I.MUS WRITE

December 5, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

Did we really run an uptempo offense this season? When was this? Acie Law is going to be a really good PG, but he is’nt in Calderons class yet…. I mean has anyone here seen Acie hit a jump shot all year? Think about it maybe 1- I would get Calderon is possible. Toronto plays Phoenix tonight just watch how the guy performs against the best in the bussiness (Nash) If there is a trade to be made, make sure its for a PG to mentor Acie.

Give Salim some quality minutes-he is better than Lue and grand dad (AJ)

By I.MUS WRITE

December 5, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

Observation: Marvin almost never finishes at the rim. When he drives the ball most of the time he is blocked or loses the ball out of bounds. Marvin has to be more aggressive in scoring the ball.I personnaly think he just does’nt have that “thing”.Every other game he disappears, 12 pts a game is unnacceptable for a# 2 selection. Dam i wanted D.Will all along. Did anyone here know that D.Williams averaged like 30 points and 12 assists a game against San Antonio last yr in the playoffs. Thats crazy-they are top 5 this year defensively. Dont know if a trade3 is gonna get done but the only players i wouldnt trade right now are Horford,Law,and JJ everybody else can hitthe bricks for the right players

By Mike

December 5, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Guys, it’s obvious that JJ is in a shooting slump, other than that his game is fine. Steve Smith made the comment must of you overlooked, JJ is not only our top scorer, but he’s one of our top defender. JJ is an All-Star now, so now he gets All-Star treatment, double and triple teams to get the ball out of hands. If anything he’s pressing too hard, feeling exactly the way everyone on this blog feels.

Another thing the elite teams are getting up for the Hawks now. Like someone else said Detroit has been destroying everybody lately. As bad as things look there were some encouraging signs in term of personnel utilization last night? Woody has begrudgingly started to use more guys in his rotation. When JJ is struggling to score he has to take him out and let him watch for short stretches of the game.

I also agree Joe may have some pent-up frustration because of the cheap A$$ Spirit. I think JJ realizes that this team needs to pull the trigger on a trade and bring in some more help. The thing that’s really troubling is his lack of confidence in the guys he’s supposed to be leading. Like I said about Josh Smith, no way you trade Joe. He’s a bargain if you compare his salary to the current FA market.

Nobody going to let JJ beat them, if they do, then their coach is worst then Woodson. Woody has to let guys like Salim, Solomon, Shelden, and Mario come in the game earlier when your main guys are struggling. The best teams and the best coaches are going make guys like JS, Marvin, Chill, AH, and Acie beat’em.

Acie is gotta be your starting PG. Acie needs to be given complete authority to run this team. He’s a born leader. Even though he’s still trying to find his stroke, he still plays aggressive.

I don’t know whose shot is worst AJ or Mario. I love Mario hustle, so gets a pass. That being said, get my boy Salim more minutes at point and shooting guard. Yea he’s a liability on defense so what, so is Marvin, Tlue, and AJ depending on the match-ups.

It’s funny how Woody and Salim destiny are tied together. The one player on the team that Woodson absolutely hates to play may be the one player that could help save his job. “GO FIGURE”. Well that’s happen what when you get consume with hate. As a professional Woody should have moves past that altercation they had a long time ago. But what do I know, I’m just a Hawks fan that loves the Mad Doctor Kool-Aide, and loves to hang out in the liars den.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Ken Strickland

December 5, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

RANDY, I don’t participate in fantasy basketball. I don’t spend time obcessing over players BK coulda shoulda drafted. I focus only on those that are on the roster and able to help us win. Yes, he’s made some draft choices I wouldn’t have made. But the choices were made and everything else is just water under the bridge.

I prefer to keep an open mind and look at his accomplishments as a whole. He’s drafted some very talented players(JSmith, JChildress, MWilliams, SStaudamire, AHorford, ALaw, SJones). He’s acquired 2 talented players in trades(Zaza & JJ). He’s fallen way short when signing FA’s(LWright, SClaxton), except for TLue, and he made a bad trade by giving up a 2nd rd pick for AJohnson.

I like the players we have, but I don’t like the way they’re being coached. The way things have been going, apparently they don’t like it either.