Hawks

By tjdsazhiq lnqvfxpba

July 6, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

cuex grda ckwz rwindexf vrlibhyn bfpygidc yltchuzj

By terrell

June 27, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

Tomorrow is draft day. It’s finally here. We have an opportunity to get a couple of nice pieces to add to the talent that we have. This is my final word until after the draft. Billy knows how much we need a point guard, he also knows how bad we need someone who can score and defend in the paint. BK has to decide which of the two is most important. My preference would be to draft Conley first. If you dont want him at 3, see about trading down to 4, 5, or 6. I think there’s a good chance one of the bigs fall to 11. Noah, Hawes, or maybe even Yi, if we want him. Now if we dont want Conley, I think we should take Horford and go ahead and take another big at 11, or best available player. I have no desire for Law or Critt. Then we could try to work some trades using Marvin,Sheldon, and 1 of our guards, to aquire some veteran help down low, or maybe a point. Either way, I think we should come out of this draft in better shape than we were. COME ON BK, MAKE IT HAPPEN

By Mark

June 27, 2007 1:06 AM | Link to this

Sekou: The Seattle PI is reporting the sonics have offered Ridnour for #11. They also report there is a deal on the table for a PG from a third team. Any idea who?

By Matt

June 27, 2007 12:57 AM | Link to this

Terrell - Since I don’t agree with whoever said that about Memphis, I certainly wouldn’t agree with that about Atlanta. If Conley’s there at 11, great. If not, we should trade up/down if we want him. No need to take him at the 3. I honestly don’t think the Grizz will pass up Horford or Wright to take Conley, and don’t think they’d be smart if they did so.

Ray - I think of the PG’s, I’d have to say Law. Stuckey would be an interesting gamble, but I don’t want us to take any more gambles. Law brings a winning mentality, and he seems to have a good enough head on his shoulders that I think he could learn to be more of a distributor in the NBA, so long as he learns to trust his teammates.

However, if Noah or Hawes fall to us at 11, I would say to definitely take them instead of Law - particularly Hawes, who is the only legitimate NBA-ready 5 in this draft after Oden.

By A-ville Ranger

June 27, 2007 12:56 AM | Link to this

It looks like Horford is the likely #3 pick if we keep it.I’m not pretending to know how good a pro he’ll be.In the interest of truth and clear thinking though here are some truths.There is no evidence he is a better scorer,rebounder or shot blocker than Shelden.In fact Shelden produced better in all three areas than Horford in college(by two to one in blocks).The only areas Horford has any advantages(measurably) compared to Shelden are in length and running the floor.Does that mean playing on a deep team didn’t limit his chances ? no I can’t conclude either way.Remember though if you think he’s a star it’s not based on production,just by the numbers we have a better player in Shelden…….Sorry this is run together.My computer won’t allow me to space properly.I need to have it looked at.

By Chris

June 27, 2007 12:41 AM | Link to this

Someone needs to handle the ball to take some pressure away from JJ. We need a distributor for JJ and J Smith. Someone who can D up on the other end and start the fast break. I believe Conley is that guy.

By Eugene

June 27, 2007 12:29 AM | Link to this

Atlanta drafting a point guard at #3 or #11 would be a waste as their offense is designed to go through Joe Johnson. They would get better service drafting a player that can establish and maintain position for offensive rebounds.

By Chris

June 27, 2007 12:17 AM | Link to this

Ian Thomsen at cnnsi.com says the Hawks should take Horford at 3 and deal Josh Smith and the 11 for a starting PG.

Umm……no.

By al

June 27, 2007 12:13 AM | Link to this

dam the draft picks lets get amare stoudamire

By ray

June 26, 2007 11:40 PM | Link to this

Interesting article on Yi Jianlin in DraftExpress.com. Yi followers will debunk it, I’m sure.

I feel that more than just two moves need to be made. We shouldn’t just make two picks, or make one pick and trade the other, or trade both picks. We need to make a third move. If we acquire two bigs, then trade for a veteran pg. IF a pg and big are taken in the draft, the pursue another big through trade or free agency.

By Mike The Mechanic

June 26, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this

Sonics offer Ridnour to Hawks for the 11th pick-this is on Realgm.com

By diehardhawkfan

June 26, 2007 11:19 PM | Link to this

0% chance Conley slips to 11…at least one point guard has been taken in the top 10 in the last 5 drafts…John Holliger of ESPN thinks he’s the second best pg to come out in the last 6 drafts…only behind Chris Paul…why would the Bucks take a skinny project forward over the best pure point guard in the draft…

what a laughing stock the Hawks would continute to be…such impact players like Oden, Durant, Horford, and Conley….and we choose Yi…this would be so reminiscent of the 2003 draft…Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, DWade, Chris Bosh…who do the Pistons select…Darko Milcic

By ray

June 26, 2007 11:10 PM | Link to this

Joe, sorry. It most certainly sounds like a broken record, ‘cause that is probably the most accurate description of the Hawks fan base. Like you said, it’s just about exhausting at this point.

Matt, we can only hope. It would be a steal if we got Conley at #11. But if not, who’s your pick: Law, Critt, Stuckey or another big (if any worth grabbing are available).

By Steve T

June 26, 2007 11:09 PM | Link to this

Ken. I agree that our needs inside out weigh the need for a PG. We can pick up a PG in FA. We need some help at 5. Sjones will be a good role player if he can gain 25 pounds this off-season.

I would like to get Yi because I think that he will be special. He has skills that are similar to Josh Smith. The guy can run and jump. I have visions of JSmith, Yi and Sjones up front. I would love to be able to get Noah too.

My idea draft for the Hawks would be to get:

FA - Camby, and Billups.

PG - Billups SG - JJ SF - Josh Smith C - Camby PF - MW Bench PG - Speedy SG - Salmin SF - JChill C - Zaza/YI PF - SW/Noah

By Mike

June 26, 2007 11:05 PM | Link to this

A post from Fox Sports. Looks like BK will be taking HartFord.

Here’s where these guys would fit best Kyle Henry Dime Magazine, Updated 19 minutes ago

Yi Jianlian

Considered a bit of a project, Yi’s best-case scenario would be to land in a place like Phoenix where he isn’t pressured to be a star right away. The Suns play fast-paced and will take advantage of Yi’s ability to get up and down the floor, and getting easy buckets at the hands of Steve Nash would only help his confidence in making the transition to the League.

Al Horford

After bringing Ben Wallace in last summer, the Bulls are still faced with the same problem they had when Miami bounced them from the playoffs in ‘06: they need a low-post scorer in the worst way. The rumored-for-years Garnett trade isn’t gonna happen for them, but Horford would have been a nice piece to add to the puzzle.

Mike Conley Jr.

This is lucky for the Grizzlies. Not only is Conley the best fit for them (and vice versa), they’re actually in a position to draft him with the No. 4 pick. Kyle Lowry is solid, but he seems better off as a change-of-pace backup than a long-term starter in the League. The Hawks would also be a great fit for Conley, as he could feed flyers like Josh Smith, Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams off the wings and not have to utilize his shaky jumper too much.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6964652

By mountain_jim

June 26, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this

Everyone spends so much effort on who we want to pick in the draft, but it appears more likely we will be trading the picks or drafting folks for later trades.

By terrell

June 26, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this

Gabe Whisnants of the Star says that Conley will come to Memphis and start immediately at a crucial position. SO WHY IS IT PEOPLE KEEP SAYING HE CANT COME IN AND CONTRIBUTE FOR THE HAWKS THIS YEAR? INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW

By ray

June 26, 2007 11:00 PM | Link to this

It’s so good to see a guy like Josh Smith working so hard on his game in the offseason. So good. I hope Solomon Jones and Marvin Williams are doing like-minded activities. Hell, Sheldon should be too.

I consider the things Josh did last year (arguing with the coach, flipping fans off) mistakes. Certainly bad things to do, but mistakes. You only learn by making mistakes and correcting them, or observing mistakes and avoiding them. If you’re willing to judge a guy like Smith solely on the mistakes he made, then you’re foolish. Rather than focus on your self-righteous rantings, get past the mistakes (hopefully he doesn’t make them again), they were met with discipline. Yes, he was wrong. The man admitted as much and vowed to fix it. This isn’t a good enough start? Some of you act like he pulled a Sprewell (how’s that neck, Mr. Carlesimo?) or an Artest (look out fans, here I come!)Furthermore, the guy is going out of his way to step up his already considerable game. He’s adding low post ability. He could really be getting into the “strong” forward thing big time. So what’s the answer here: pi$$, moan, and whine that he wasn’t the teacher’s pet, then trade him? Gimme a break…such talk is that of a loser.

As for people getting defensive about Sekou calling out “haters” it’s simple: if it doesn’t apply to you, bypass the remark. If it does, then you know who you are. Based on most recent posts, I have seen at least one guy who qualifies for the remark. Like I said, you know who you are.

By Matt

June 26, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this

I actually think it’s very plausible that Conley could fall to 11 if the Hawks pick Yi at 3. If that happens, I don’t think there’s any way the Griz don’t snatch either Horford or Wright. The lynchpin pick will be Milwaukee. If they pass on Conley, then I think Conley very likely will fall to 11. And I think that is entirely possible, since 1) Odds are, Milwaukee will keep Mo Williams, at least according to most of the chatter I’ve read; and 2) Green, Brewer, Wright, and/or Horford will be on the board for them at 6 - and any of those players would be ones Milwaukee could go for. If the rumors about Ainge and Rivers loving Jeff Green are true, then no way that Milwaukee lets Horford or Wright fall past them.

Minnesota is in love with Hawes, Charlotte and Chicago already have solid young point guards, and Sacramento is desperate for help on the low post. I think that Sekou’s scenario could very well be right on - IF the Hawks pick Yi, which I am now convinced they should. I think that’s the only pick that would give the Hawks an excellent chance to plug both of their holes in the draft.

If we use the #3 on Conley, we won’t get a good big man at 11. If we use the #3 on Horford, no way Conley falls to 11. If we pick Yi, we’ll get a 7-footer with a soft touch AND have a fighting chance to get Conley.

I hope Mr. Knight reads your article, Sekou :).

By Anakin Joe

June 26, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this

Ray, you sound like Doc or Abe or Ando or Shelden or Speedy or…

I’m SOOO ready for this to be behind us. I have to admit, I think that we will end up using both picks (which does not make me happy). Adding 2 19 year-olds would be conceding this team to another 3 years of re-building and would essentially waste JJ’s 5 year contract. I’d prefer if Yi is 22, it would hopefully mean that he is mature enough to handle the transition faster than a 19 year-old.

Seems to me that if Conley makes it past the Bucks, he could easily fall to #11. None of the teams picking 7-10 are looking to add a PG. And I can’t imagine too many teams trading up for him. But BK better be prepared to trade up, I personally don’t want Ridnour.

By MJ3

June 26, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this

There’s Macaroni with his BS about talking to Woodson again. Ha. Moron.

By ray

June 26, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this

Ken, you made some really, really good points. Thanks for the level-headedness. Really.

Sekou, that draft prediction of yours is very interesting. I wonder how accurate it will be.

I understand the concept of following the money. And while it would be easy to join that fast-growing cult, I have to say I just don’t care about the money. I care about the wins, the excitement, etc. The playoffs. While following the money is everyone’s favorite cliche these days, do you actually get any of the money? Nope. Gimme the team improvement. I don’t care who it is, as long as the team and it’s fans benefit. Following the money is a method. Let’s see how well it works on the hardwood.

If there is one thing I’m reasonably sure about it’s this: there will be no good big men worth our taking available by the 11th pick if we bypass them all in favor of a guard. All of them are either just too good or have too much potential. I like Conley and would like to have him. But we pick him at 3rd if and only if we have engineered a trade that brings us a quality big ahead of time or just after. Much as I like him, he’ll have enough trouble getting used to the NBA, let alone trying to solve all of our other issues, especially those in the point. Not that this horse hasn’t been beaten beyond the point of recognition.

Billy and Woody have mentioned “defender” and “distributor” in connection with any pg talk. To me, that would indicate that guys like Luke Ridnour aren’t so likely to come here. At least the pg situation is going to be looked at and addressed properly (one hopes).

I don’t believe anybody that’s available in this draft will be that highly instrumental in our making the playoffs this coming season. Which leads me to believe some sort of trade is inevitable for this team. I like the idea of adding Gasol or Camby. We will not get Kobe or Garnett. Out of the two, I’d take Kobe. But L.A. doesn’t want to let him go, and would absolutely gut us if they did. KG makes too much money, pure and simple. We can do without either. Billups has no real reason to be here. We couldn’t pay him and expect to pay our young guys. Andre Miller is an improvement, but for how long? And can we afford him? Mo Williams would be nice. Probably can’t afford him either. So, a trade.

I don’t care what some think of him, I’d still take Jarrett Jack. Young, strong, healthy, solid, coachable. We have none of these qualities or attributes (except the coachable part) amongst our current set of pgs. Ivey is young, but not a pg by nature. Coachable, but not solid. Just not a pg.

Adding vets is great. But it needs to make sense. And young players still have to be infused for the purpose of developing and eventually taking over. I see a trade and a pick made. If we keep and make two picks, the process will simply take longer.

By Ken Strickland

June 26, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

JHAN, it would depend on the style of OFF/DEF I wanted to play. The Pistons have been very successful(won a championship)using former PF’s(BWallace, CWebber, AMcDyess)at center. The Suns have been very successful, especially the last 2yrs, using a PF(Staudamire)and a former Guard(Diaw)at center. I don’t understand this mentality that’s promoting the idea that only a certain type can play certain positions. I’m soooo thankful players like 6’4” (PF) CBarkley, 6’9” (C)DCowens, 6’10”(C’s)WReed, EHayes, & BMcAdoo, 6’7”(PF’s)SMarion, EBrand & 6’7”(C)WUnseld, to name a few, didn’t listen to that crap. I believe all of these guys are/were allstars, and some are HOFers.

Personally, I like the uptempo, fast break game, so Yi and Conley would be my choice. The less structure you have to your OFF, the easier it is for young talents to contribute. Anyone that can match Yi’s speed and quickness, won’t likely be able to handle him physically, especially inside. Some are going to ask, how can he handle Shaq, and the answer is he doesn’t have to. That’s what double teams are for. Do any of you think Shaq can run the floor with Yi? Yi doesn’t have to post Shaq down low. You use him on the high post and in pick an roll. How many 5’s, that are big and strong enough to play Yi physically, can match his speed and quickness 10-15ft from the basket? If used properly, with the right supporting cast, and in the right OFF system, Yi can redefine the 4 & 5 positions.

MAN, I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE HAWKS AND FALCONS, I AM SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING MOVING BACK TO THE ATL, SERIOUSLY.

By ray

June 26, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this

Ando, welcome back. Nice points. Of course, most of your points have been already made, considering many of us have been at this blog typing feverishly day after day during your absence.

I’m sick to death of hearing comparisons of Al Horford to just about anybody. He’s not Sheldon, not Marvin, not Duncan, not Brand. And give the stats and writeups a break. The guy is solid and if you’ve seen him play, you see how he’s different than those mentioned earlier. He’s Al Horford. And he may be coming to the ATL. And he’ll be better than Sheldon wherever he goes, barring injury or some other significant involuntary factor.

I like Noah. I’d like to see him here. If Camby can play the way he does, out West no less, then the slim Noah can play here in the center-starved East.

Another player I’m sick of hearing comparisons for is Conley. He’s not Parker, not Telfair, not Brevin Knight, not Chris Paul. He’s freakin’ Mike Conley. He’ll do what he’ll do. He dang sure ain’t Speedy Claxton. As for those who keep yappin’ about his shot, other players of similar size had similar problems. Did anyone take into account that no one in college could stop him from penetrating? Gee, no wonder he didn’t have to use or develop the outside shot. He tore up the college ranks without it, and in his first year.

Another thing that really bugs me is how people seem to assume that a college player is all he will be when he gets drafted. It’s called the pros for a reason: PROFESSIONAL basketball. As in, you have to work at it. Nobody wants to miss out on millions of dollars. The guys who can’t shoot? They’ll work on it. The guys who can’t bench 185lbs? They’ll work out with highly skilled trainers. What separates many of the successes from the failures is outright hard work and dedication. Also known as professionalism. If the guy is a pro, then he’ll work on his weaknesses. Period.

By newkid

June 26, 2007 10:21 PM | Link to this

Frankly Anon E. Moss, six months ago there was sufficient information available to those paying attention with which to ‘reach’ for a Yi/Atlanta suggestion. Who knew that the stars would align themselves in such a way as to make it a real possibility. Many of us have now connected the dots, so let’s move on to a more intriguing storyline along the same path.

Sekou, here’s a storyline for ya. Is it possible that the Belkin/ASG debacle is fairly, equitably, and quickly resolved IF the Hawks select Yi Thursday evening? Do you think there’s a snowball’s chance that Stern and the owners would continue to sit idly by and allow these ASG cats to continue to roll around in the mud and - by so doing - risk undermining the great marketing opportunity the NBA will have in Asia? Do you think other HUGE business interests that stand to reap huge harvest as both direct and indirect reults of the ‘Yi factor’ will sit for this myopic mess created by the ownership situation? No way in hell. So, Hawks fans, if you want to see the ASG fiasco resolved once and for all, watch how quickly it ‘fixes itself’ if it’s Yi to the Hawks in the next 48 hours.

By Omnihawk

June 26, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this

Sekou must still be “DREAMing” if he thinks Conley will be there at 11.

By Macaroni Tony

June 26, 2007 9:59 PM | Link to this

I believe you too Anon E. Moss…. It makes sense. I spoke to Coach Woodson two weeks ago and he told me that the Hawks will not select a pg with the third pick but know one believed me… I am for Yi and Conley, jr

By terrell

June 26, 2007 9:55 PM | Link to this

Tomorrow is draft eve. It’s finally here. We have an opportunity to get a couple of nice pieces to add to the talent that we have. This is my final word until after the draft. Billy knows how much we need a point guard, he also knows how bad we need someone who can score and defend in the paint. BK has to decide which of the two is most important. My preference would be to draft Conley first. If you dont want him at 3, see about trading down to 4, 5, or 6. I think there’s a good chance one of the bigs fall to 11. Noah, Hawes, or maybe even Yi, if we want him. Now if we dont want Conley, I think we should take Horford and go ahead and take another big at 11, or best available player. I have no desire for Law or Critt. Then we could try to work some trades using Marvin,Sheldon, and 1 of our guards, to aquire some veteran help down low, or maybe a point. Either way, I think we should come out of this draft in better shape than we were. COME ON BK, MAKE IT HAPPEN

By Steve B.

June 26, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this

Peter your logic makes sense, but from every thing out their word is the Clips are the team that made AC Law the promise. Anon I’ve been on the Yi train from the start, If that’s what you heard i’m with you. But you and I both know people blow a lot of smoke on this blog. Yi and Conley that would be a dream for the Hawks A VERY GOOD DREAM. LET’S HOPE IT COMES TRUE.

By Anon E. Moss

June 26, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

stinger try this link for Sekou’s new article

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/hawks/stories/2007/06/26/0626mockdraft.html

Vol be serious. Oh sorry, Volman

By stinger

June 26, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this

Link to sekou http://template.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/hawks/stories/2007/06/26/0626mockdraft.html

By diehardhawkfan

June 26, 2007 9:26 PM | Link to this

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2007/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollingerjohn&page=ProRater&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fdraft2007%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dhollingerjohn%26page%3dProRater

A more direct link…wow, just like I thought, Conley has the second highest rating for a pg, second only to Chris Paul. And he destroys Acie Law…he calls him a second rounder.

By Volman

June 26, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this

We saw you the first time, Moss.

Why do you call a fraternity a “frat”? Do you call a country a “c*”?

By Stinger

June 26, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

How about a link to Sekou’s blog I don’t see it update at the AJC.

Thanks

By Anon E. Moss

June 26, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

By Anon. E Moss

June 25, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

I have a frat brother that works with the Mayor Shirley Franklin. He has told me that the city has been in contact and is “nudging” the Hawks to select Yi Jianlin in the upcoming draft. They are looking at the business angle, what it can do for the city. It made sense to me with Delta trying to get routes into China. The city is trying to stay in good grace with China. Mei Lin (spelling) the new panda at Zoo Atlanta is in the news nightly. I don’t care if you believe me or not. I am a regular blogger but I used an different name because I don’t want the “fame or glory” by reporting what I was told. But it makes alot of sense to me. He did not say that the Hawks were going to pick Yi, but that the mayor’s office have been having “meetings” with Hawks official to pursuade them to select Yi with the 3

By Volman

June 26, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this

Has anyone seen the rumors of Amare coming to Atlanta with the possibility of the #29 pick? The Hawks would give up #3, possibly #11, and obviously some filler contracts.

This would be in a deal with Phx and Minnesota so that KG can go to Phx.

I would do ANYTHING it takes to get Amare in a Hawks’ uniform.

Amare, Joe, Josh Smith… Goodness.

By Anon E. Moss

June 26, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this

As I “blogged” y’all yesterday, my frat brother works in the mayor’s office and he said that city officials have been having regular “meetings” with Hawks officials to urge them to take Yi. If you read Sekous article, he is now saying it. ATLANTA WILL PICK YI FOR THE 3. Newkid and Travis were the only believers. Thanks.

By diehardhawkfan

June 26, 2007 8:52 PM | Link to this

Unknown lurker….great link and post…I’m convinced…take Conley at 3 (I was convinced before the post though…:))

By jhan

June 26, 2007 8:20 PM | Link to this

Ken, who would you draft at #3 or #11 that could fill our glaring need?

Would you prefer to draft a PF & play him out of position, or draft a natural PG and let him play the position he’s been playing his whole basketball career?

By Ken Strickland

June 26, 2007 8:19 PM | Link to this

Before getting too excited about us drafting Yi and Conley, consider this. While both are abviously very talented, we must consider how that talent will be used, or possibly misused. Woodson is a traditional minded coach, and his biggest influences were Bobby Knight(mare)and Larry(I’m outa here)Brown. And that is no small consideration.

We have to ask ourselves, is he really flexible enough to establish an OFF/DEF philosophy that best fits these two talents? Some coaches try to fit the players into the system, while others fit the system around the players. So far, Woodson has shown himself to be more of the former. If Conley is forced to run a Detroit style half court OFF, he will likely be a disapointment. Yi, because of his outside shooting ability, could probably play both ways.

Horford and Law would be much better fits for Woodson’s preferred style of OFF/DEF. So, what is the real question we have to ask ourselves if we draft Yi, and/or Conley? Can Woodson successfully adjust his coaching philosophy to incorporate an uptempo OFF/DEF? If the answer is YES, then NBA fans will be in for some exciting Atlanta Hawks basketball this season.

By Yi Man

June 26, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

Sekou, your mock is the dream scenario, and could easily happen if Spirit has guts to pull the trigger on YI. If we don’t, its 5 more years of obscurity.

Yi and Conley and a new coach, and the future is now.

By james jones

June 26, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

where is the new blog people link me to it, don’t mean to sound like an idiot but please link me anyway.

By roan st

June 26, 2007 6:41 PM | Link to this

Sekou just released a blog and he is predicting yi as the #3 pick by the hawks. Something tells me that sekou has some inside info to make such a bold prediction. His pick can’t be because of bias since he is not a real big fan of yi. Unless someone in the hawks office is releasing misinformation to throw other teams off hoping to trade down. I did read another site were an nba insider was qouted as saying he thought the horford to atlanta buzz was just a smoke screen. I think the hawks might be trying to trade down a few spots to pick up more assests. If a team just below us covets horford or yi maybe they will pull the trigger on a trade. It could be that the hawks really want to drop down and take conley. What do you guys think?

By james jones

June 26, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

first any team that drafts horford hoping that he’d one day be a starting centeror back up center is seriously JONEZD, he is bulky but not bulk enough, he’s athletic but not athletic enough, he’s tall but not tall enough. he’s strictly a power foward. and we have 2 we can spare.

then, most teams win cause they have 1, 2 punches. some like the wizards have 1,2,3 punches (but it’s always better when 1 of the 3 is a C or PF). some teams like phoenix and san antonio have 1,2,3,4 or mre punches that’s what makes them the best teams dallas and detroit too. we have a 1,…. punch. with the work smoove puts in it can be a 1,2. but no way in hell is any of you tellin me we are about to try and play josh and al horford on this team? (especially now that smoove is working on his inside game, probably coming into the 4 position). if josh becomes a true 4 then marv comes well into his 3 we’re good. zaza is a good center (believe it or yes) nd if we have yi. zaza, solo and yi can work around with that 5 position. we’re hoping conley gets a jumper which is possible but when? (ask lebron). i still maintain our PG play is ok we need as much offense as we can get from these picks name 3 PFs that u’re sure horford is going to come in and misuse….. even sheldon would eat him at 4. with yi he can do too many things on offence. he’d be a good addition to a 1,2,3 punch possibility. i’m being real. show me a highlight where horford is playing well defensively against someone taller than he is…. (there reall wasn’t a time. yi and smoove n help dence is just ridiculous.

ya’ll don’t have to like this. i do and i would think like that if i were a coach and if we get law at 11 too we can have a 1,2,3,4 punch very quickly. the team has 2 be good altogether. how do we assume horford can play a little bit of 5 and then call yi a 3 that’s complete bias. he can play some 5 as well, probably better than horford can!!!

i’m hoping we draft yi and we’ll see this team turn around fast. if more people watch a team they’d want to impress and therefore improve. at t he end of the day i wish us luck. (its really all i can do).

By Lifelong Hawks Fan

June 26, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

Well done Harry Hawk!

By Peter

June 26, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

Law canceled further workouts after leaving his Hawk audition. So he’s the #11 pick. I was probably the first on the Yi bandwagon. I’ve seen him play in Asia and I think he’s the real deal.

However he’s a Western conference type guy. The Hawks can (and should) play a WC type style. But if I’m picking now I would take Horford at 3. Interesting though that the agents chose Atlanta as one of the teams to showcase Yi to.

Sure Conley’s fast but he’s 6’1. How’s he going to defend? And are you going to take him 3rd?

Solomon can play and he’s out humping it this summer. It’s still a young team you guys.

By Unknown Lurker

June 26, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Extremely interesting article at ESPN from John Hollinger:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2007/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollingerjohn&page=ProRater&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fdraft2007%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dhollingerjohn%26page%3dProRater

By Anakin Joe

June 26, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Our fearless leader is now on printed record as predicting the Hawks will go with Yi and that Conley falls to them at #11. Thornton is the key. If he goes top 10, then someone VERY compelling falls to us at #11. This feels like it will be the most dramatic 48 hours in recent NBA transaction history. I’m afraid to go more than 2 hours without checking the internet for news/rumors. Someone big is being moved, you can feel it in the air. I’m thinking KG to the Lakers.

Blog Z, I’ll take that prediction all day long. Doesn’t help tremendously next year, but it probably allows BK and Woody to keep their jobs (assuming Spirit wins) and the owners (whomever wins) to enjoy tremendous economic benefits.

By Ken Strickland

June 26, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

ANAKIN JOE, very good point, and I’d like To add to that. The only Suns player that’s proven he can play at a high level, outside their current system, is SMarion. To also add to your point about Wilcox and Swift, just remember how successful Diaw was last yr playing the position in that system.

By diehardhawkfan

June 26, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

Solomon Jones…

Solomon Jones - 2006 6’ 8.5” 6’ 9.75” 224 7’ 4” 9’ 1”

7’4” wingspan (compared to the 7’0” Horford)

9’1” standing reach (compared to the 8’ 11” Horford)…

If Solomon can ever bulk up, he would favor alot better at C than Horford…

All we need is for JSmoove to develop a better low post game and MWilliams to develop more on the perimeter..the starting lineup of….

Conley JJ JSmove MWilliams Solomon Jones is probably the fastest and most athletic starting lineup in the league.

By OddJob

June 26, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

Anakin Joe Nash is what makes the Suns work.Take away Amare like in 2005 and they’re still a high playoff team.They’re nuts if they don’t do all they can to get KG.They’re two of the most complete,smartest players the game has ever seen.I’d love to see that happen as a fan.

By ScoobySnacks

June 26, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

Anakin Joe.

Sorry Joe. I guess you did not realize that firing Woodson was a foregone conclussion.

By ScoobySnacks

June 26, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

All I am saying about Horford is he’s got a chance to be a starting 4 or 5 possibly. The same way Ben Wallace did it. The same way Amare did it. Like Ken said, whoever we pick is probably not going to start anyway. However, I think some kinda low post defense off the bench, is better than a point off the bench. At least as far as trying to win right now is concerned.

By Anakin Joe

June 26, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Scooby, Phoenix is FAR MORE than an athletic big (Amare). In fact, I would go so far as to say that if Chris Wilcox or Stromile Swift replaced Amare, that the Suns would still be comparably effective. Find me a coach like D’Antoni and a PG like Nash, then talk to me about adding an athletic big that would allow us to play like Phoenix.

By Teddy Jack Eddy

June 26, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Sekou I have a story that I hope will make you think before you use cheap language.My best girl Kathy Sue and I were on vacation at a seaside village in British Columbia.We were taking a stroll after diner when we happened on a street performer.If you’ve seen Jim Carey’s cheeky bit,this was similar to what we saw.I wouldn’t call him an a$$ clown because he didn’t talk.I guess he was more of an a$$ mime.My sweet Kathy laughed hardily and it was soon forgotten.Latter that night she experienced abdominal pain and died within the hour.It was a busted colon(gut) that took my one true love.To this day I cry when Kathy’s clown is played.So Mr Sekou please sir think before you type.

By tp

June 26, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Amen Ken!

By Harry Hawk

June 26, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

The Hawks should check out C Rolf von Stretchimann from Germany…

7’2”, 7’9” (Gene Simmons platforms), 285, 10’11” wingspan with an 12 feet, 8 inch standing reach.

Word is that BK is intrigued by his length and his inability to play inside.

By ScoobySnacks

June 26, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

ST. BERNARD

There is the rub though. I did say Horford could be serviceable and maybe a star. Truth is that is the most anybody is saying about “the others” as far as post players in this draft. If I were going to start fixing the Hawks, I would have to start in the post. Getting a point guard to “distribute the ball” does not make since to me because who would he be distributing to. Joe Johnson can be a spot up shooter but since he is the only one teams are going to shut that down. Let’s not pretend that Josh Smith is ever going to be a perimeter threat. Although, I love his game. I think the only way you get away with having smallish players at the forward spots is to have at least somebody who can move some meat down low. We already know Horford is strong enough and quick enough to do that.

Bottom line, argue the point guards all you want to but unless we come out of this off season with a post presence on defense this whole deal tumbles.

with all that said, I’ll take Gasol in a heart beat.

By Lifelong Hawks Fan

June 26, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

St. Bernard, I think all of those choices are better than the #3 pick. That’s my opinion. Although I would want a pick from Denver to go along with Camby.

By Ken Strickland

June 26, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

Everyone needs to keep one thing in mind before commenting on what Horford, Noah, or Yi can’t do. Zaza is the starting 5 for the Hawks, so our #3 selection will be coming off the bench. He’ll be capable of playing both 4&5, so he’ll get plenty of PT. He won’t be required to man any one position full time, so there will be no issue of him wearing down. It’s funny, certain people who want Conley use this as an issue against drafting Horford, Noah or Yi. However, they don’t seem concerned that Zaza has had the same problem the last 2yrs. I guess drafting Conley #3 will solve that issue, along with our need for rebounding, interior OFF/DEF and more consistent outside shooting.

WE WILL NOT BE DRAFTING A STARTER WITH THE #3 PICK, BUT A QUALITY BACKUP THAT WILL BE A FUTURE STARTER. Also, so many of you have complained about Speedy’s injury problems. Yet, you have no problem trading away draft picks, and developing young talent, for players like JOneal or MCamby. Both of these players are injury prone and past their prime, and neither is geared for an uptempo game.

Combined, we have 3 veteran PG’s that can run this team, when healthy. We have one(1)player, Zaza, that can play the 5. No other player on our roster can even be considered an adequate backup 5 for any other NBA team(LWright, SJones, PLEASEEEE!!!!). With this in mind, please explain how PG is our most pressing need?

By St. Bernard

June 26, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

Scooby, If we had someone like Amare (which Horford isn’t) we would dominate. Problem is there’s only one Amare and he plays for Phoenix.

By St. Bernard

June 26, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

Here’s a question. If you’re choosing between Camby, Gasol, Aldridge/Jack, Andre Miller/#11, and Villanueva/#5 pick which do you choose? Any of these are better than the #3.

By the way, with the #3 pick a “serviceable” player is not acceptable.

By ScoobySnacks

June 26, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

as far as the west versus east comment…. Tell me one eastern team that would have a chance against Phoenix in a seven game series. If we had someone like an Amare (I know Horford might not be quite that type) I’m thinking we dominate the east. Start there and see what’s next. Besides wouldn’t you trade having no shot at the post season for at least a first round exit. At least that’s progress.

By ScoobySnacks

June 26, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

as far as the west versus east comment…. Tell me one eastern team that would have a chance against Phoenix in a seven game series. If we had someone like an Amare (I know Horford might not be quite that type) I’m thinking we dominate the east. Start there and see what’s next. Besides wouldn’t you trade having no shot at the post season for at least a first round exit. At least that’s progress.

By ScoobySnacks

June 26, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

DIEHARD

what you said is true. But the Hawks won’t play the Sun’s every night. I’m thinking Horford, from what I have seen, is athletic enough to pull it off on most other centers. I’m not going to the fact the Amare is not as athletic after the surgerys. Fact is he is still a beast - no doubt. But I’m thinking only giving up an inch in standing reach and with the athleticism he showed in games last year, he has a better chance then ost people named Sheldon Williams. Not that he would be exactly as good as Stoudemire. Serviceale though. A star maybe.

By ScoobySnacks

June 26, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

DIEHARD

what you said is true. But the Hawks won’t play the Sun’s every night. I’m thinking Horford, from what I have seen, is athletic enough to pull it off on most other centers. I’m not going to the fact the Amare is not as athletic after the surgerys. Fact is he is still a beast - no doubt. But I’m thinking only giving up an inch in standing reach and with the athleticism he showed in games last year, he has a better chance thenmost people named Sheldon Williams. Not that he would be exactly as good as Stoudemire. Serviceble though. A star maybe.

By diehardhawkfan

June 26, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

Dwight Howard - 6’ 9” 6’ 10.25” 240 7’ 4.5” 9’ 3.5”

And Howard has a 9 foot 3 inch standing reach…plus he has crazy athletic ability…horford would get dominated by him.

By ScoobySnacks

June 26, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

DIEHARD

what you said is true. But the Hawks won’t play the Sun’s every night. I’m thinking Horford, from what I have seen, is athletic enough to pull it off on most other centers. I’m not going to through in the fact the Amare is not as athletic as after the surgerys. Fact is he is still a beast - no doubt. But I’m thinking only giving up and inch ain standing reach and with the athleticism he showed in games last year, he has a better chance the most people named Sheldon Williams. Not that he would be exactly as good as Stoudemire.

By Anakin Joe

June 26, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

Scooby, Shelden’s measurements. But it doesn’t capture quickness, agility and “motor”.

By ScoobySnacks

June 26, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

6’ 7.5” 6’ 8.5” 258 7’ 4.25” 8’ 8”

By diehardhawkfan

June 26, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Scooby, it’s not about height, it’s about standing reach…you don’t play basketball with the top of your head…Amare’s got Horford by an inch and a half as far as standing reach…and you are talking about the one of the most ATHLETIC (along with Dwight Howard) centers in the NBA…Amare can get away with that because of his freakish like athletic abilities…Horford is not even on the same stratosphere with Amare as far as athleticism.

By Anakin Joe

June 26, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

Doc, that’s the only thing that concerns me, our inability to check him out for “physical defects”.

Scooby, Amare plays center in the West in an offensive scheme that rarely requires many half-court offensive possesions. Except in the playoffs and that hasn’t gone very well most recently for the Suns.

By ScoobySnacks

June 26, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

To piggy back on my early post, check shelden williams Comparison from 2006

6’ 7.5” 6’ 8.5” 258 7’ 4.25” 8’ 8”

Not even close to being the same player, even if you are looking strickly at the numbers.

By Al

June 26, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

The Hawks don’t even want the draft picks they want a veteran player and you cant blame them for that

By Volman

June 26, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

On Hawksquawk, the “source” says that the most likely trade(s) that would go down on draft night were:

So, if one happens…look for the other to happen.

Can anyone else elaborate?

I’d be pretty happy with:

PG-Calderon/Lue/Speedy/AJ (whichever of the 3 vets that survive) SG-Joe Johnson/Salim SF-Marvin/J-Chills (if he isn’t traded) PF-Josh Smith/Shelden/Solo C- Gasol/Zaza/Solo

Looks like a contender to me, guys!

By ScoobySnacks

June 26, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

Horford Can probably play Center and here is proof I have been looking for information on whether Al Horford can realistically play center in the NBA. I found at least one reason to believe he can. Look how Horford’s Measurements stack up against Amare Stoudemire’s from the 2002 pre draft camp. Almost identical really. I think I am warming up to this Al Horford guy. Check the facts for yourself. The stats are organized as “height with shoes off” , “height with shoes on” “weight” “wingspan” and “standing reach”

Amare Stoudemire - 2002 6’ 8.5” 6’ 10” 233 7’ 1.75” 9’ 0.5”

http://www.draftexpress.com/measurements.php?year=All&sort2=ASC&sort=1

Al Horford 6-8ľ 6-9ľ 244 7-0ľ 8-11

By ScoobySnacks

June 26, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Horford Can probably play Center and here is proof I have been looking for information on whether Al Horford can realistically play center in the NBA. I found at least one reason to believe he can. Look how Horford’s Measurements stack up against Amare Stoudemire’s from the 2002 pre draft camp. Almost identical really. I think I am warming up to this Al Horford guy. Check the facts for yourself. The stats are organized as “height with shoes off” , “height with shoes on” “weight” “wingspan” and “standing reach” Amare Stoudemire - 2002 6’ 8.5” 6’ 10” 233 7’ 1.75” 9’ 0.5” http://www.draftexpress.com/measurements.php?year=All&sort2=ASC&sort=1

Al Horford 6-8ľ 6-9ľ 244 7-0ľ 8-11

By doc

June 26, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

aj, you seemed to learn the abc’s of a surgical residency taught well by attendings.

when in doubt always; Accuse, Blame and Criticize.

By OddJob

June 26, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Any pickup of KG will end up having the same problems all teams with one of the top ten players have,cap room.These lineups mentioned will be hard to keep together as Smith and others have to be re-signed.

By mavid

June 26, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Clyde, heart and energy can only take you so far. We need talent too. We need talent badly. We HAVE to maximize our picks in this draft (b/c we dont have a 1st next year and we have a hard time signing FAs cuz of ownership problems). Taking Noah at 3 does not maximize our assets. Noah will be a good role player somewhere. We need something more than that (and b/c we need more than he can give us, Noah would struggle here, while he’d do better elsewhere where he can stick to his defined role as a “charismatic” retard).

By Colorado Bulldog

June 26, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

Are much stock should we put in the rumors that since LAw canceled his Hornets workout that Billy gave him a promise for #11? Actually I don’t think its that bad to come out with Horford and Law.

By Clyde

June 26, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

The Official FIRE BILLY AND WOODY t-shirt will be available at the draft party. Holla at me if you see me.

Noah at 3 Law at 11

We need heart and energy on this team. These two players will give us all they got every given night.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By Anakin Joe

June 26, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

Doc, if we draft Yi and it turns out that he has “Al Harrington’s knees” or “Sam Bowie’s feet” or “Grant Hill’s ankles” or “Kwame Brown’s heart” or some other malady that may have shown up in an exam/x-ray that we were not able to review, then I will personally blame you for that selection.

By Stinger

June 26, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

Hawk Flap KG wants to go to a warm weather team and wants a chance to compete for a championship. The Hawks may be the only team that can offer that combination and satisify the requirements of the timberwolves in a trade. Has KG said he will not come to ATL? I might have missed it but don’t believe it has happened.

We have suffered for a long time but it has put us in a positon to make a significant move that must be explored

By terrell

June 26, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Everyone on ESPN has us going with Horford. Doug Gottlieb says we SHOULD take Conley.

By sam

June 26, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

the Hawks need a PG not a PF. Come to think of it they need a PF, a C, a SF, a PG, and GM…. but we’re good at SG. Thank god for JJ!

By Hawk Flap

June 26, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Love the determination Stinger and I’m with you 100% for trying to make it happen, but what part of KG DOES NOT WANT TO COME TO ATLANTA are you having a problem understanding? GO HAWKS!!

By Stinger

June 26, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

KG to ATL if you dismiss this without trying your an idiot. As reported the deal could happen 2 ways -

or

I prefer deal #1 giving the hawks a lineup of Speedy, JJ, Marvin, J Smith and KG. Hardly an empty roster thus KG might agree to come to the weak east and compete for a championship.

When you compare this to the other offers Minn is receiving it looks like the best deal available - there lineup would include -

PG - #11 pick (Law/Stucky) SG - Foye/Childress SF - #7 (Noah/Brewer/Hawes(Center)/Wright(PF) PF - #3 Al Horford C - Zsa Zsa L Wright, Lue and Johnson

I don’t know which team I like better ours or theirs - ie. the criteria of a fair trade.

By Anakin Joe

June 26, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

terrell, I guess they failed to mention that Okafor had back problems in college and that was one of the reasons why he was selected behind a college big despite having won the National Title. I agree that Horford can only play C in “spot duty” but the notion that Okafor’s health concerns is due to playing true centers in the NBA is down right bullcrap.

By doc

June 26, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

hey jump shot, ignored you the first time but isnt billy king the gm for the sixers? now the guy in atlanta is billy KNIGHT.

By terrell

June 26, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

I hope everyone is wathing ESPN’s draft preview. They were talking abouy all of our options. One thing that I heard confirmed to me that we dont need Horford. They said Okafur wore down trying to man the 5 spot in the NBA. So to you guys that think we should select horford with the 3, do you think Horford can do what Emeka had problems doing. Pf’s trying to play center in this league is very difficult.

By Hawk Flap

June 26, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

We’re not getting Garnett because he does not want to come to Atlanta. It does not matter what we offer the Wolves because Garnett has to approve the team.

Billups is not coming to Atlanta…we can not afford him.

We’re not drafting Yi. As good as he may one day be he does not fit what we need.

What the Hawks need with the #3 is a wide-a*, bruiser with the ability to draw the foul inside and grab some defensive boards. This is Horford. No more questions please.

PS I’m glad the Sean Williams posts have died down. That would be like when the Falcons drafted Aundrey Bruce. Watch out Domino’s.

By Jump Shot Joe

June 26, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

What’s with all y’all’s chatter? Do any of you brothas really believe the Atlanta Hawks will be a force in the NBA anytime soon? Billy King is a fool.

By Mitch

June 26, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Wild Scenario…just bear with me here. The odds are heavily stacked against this happening, but, hey, anything’s possible, huh?

This morning I had the following hunch. Despite what all the pundits say, I think Portland is in love with Kevin Durant. They already have Lamarcus Aldridge to play center…and they think Durant is going to drop 30+ most nights, once Durant has adjusted to the NBA game.

In Seattle, they are shocked…and they were rightfully miffed that Greg Oden, in his recent visit to Seattle, declined to work out. So, they are sitting there are the discussion becomes, what about Al Horford?

Here come the Hawks. They call Seattle and offer Marvin Williams, Zaza Pachulia, Tyronne Lue and the #3 pick for Luke Ridenour and the #2 pick. Seattle mulls it over…they were going to pick Horford anyway, but now don’t have to face the scrutiny for passing on Oden without getting major pieces in return. Marvin Williams is great insurance against losing Rashad Lewis and Zaza can score some for them in the post. Plus, they get Horford, the kind of PF they really need.

The Hawks get their starting center in Oden and their starting point guard in Ridenour. And, get this, at #11 this frees them up to take Al Thornton to take Marvin Williams’ place.

Now…we be dreamin’!

By Concerned FAN

June 26, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Since the Hawks are looking for a legitmate big man how about hte following option:

1. Trade the #3 Pick to the Lakers for Andrew Bynum.

2. Pickup our Point Guard with the 11th pick.

By terrell

June 26, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

I think if Portland takes Oden, they will keep Randolph and possibly be willing to move Aldridge. Oden and Z-bo would be an outstanding offense/defense combination. The 3 and Marvin might get us Jack and Aldridge. That would be a great deal for both teams. Marvin will probably thrive playing with Roy and Conley, but you have to give talent in order to receive talent.

By Yi Man

June 26, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

If its Yi, I buy season tix the next day. If not, I’ll never go again. Yi is once in a generation. If they take him 3 the whole draft order could change enough that Conley falls to 11. Yi, like Durant, is the future of the NBA.

this text will be bolded It’s got to be YI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By doc

June 26, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

jj, uh no, it is not certain but he was doing the inferring thing that we all like to play. it seems that whatever sekou said it led him to believe that the hawks would pull the trigger on yi. folks, conley may be more avilable than we think at 11 as there are grumblings that memphis is ready to play the mo card. chauncey is out there are teams with money to consider rather than bringing along a 19 yr old too make an immediate impact, other teams are trying to get inot the tall draft line to get one thrmselves, ala the suns. chicago is said to covet the talls however they need an outside force that has strength and size at guard so stuckey may be their reach. it is way too early to tell. the bottom line if bk plays it safe we will get two players, and some of whcih we covet as a whole and have hashed out. the problem then will be for the coaches to manifest an offense and defense that plays to the team stregths and not to their own prejudice or stregths.

you have heard me say take yi but have not maybe heard me say that there is no sure fire take after durrant’s name is called in this draft. that includes yi and i freely admit it. all could be toads and have warts or all princes with the team taking them putting them in situations that they can excel. time will tell. i also warned that if your life is going to be determined by who bk picks then you will be sorely disappointed as it isnt possible to do that for you by anyone much less bk.

By Sope Creek

June 26, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Patrick - Conley and Oden have a chemistry that dates back to before high school. Conley can make Oden better and vice versa instantaneously.

By terrell

June 26, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

HAWKFLACK, if we can come out of this draft with Yi, Conley, and Noah that would be the best draft in Hawks history, if you ask me. Hell, I’ll be satisfied to come away with 2 of these guys. GO HAWKS! By the way, today is my birthday but I’m going to wait until Thursday to celebrate. Hopefully Billy will make it worth waiting for.

By mavid

June 26, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

I recently watched the national championship game again, and Horford was much better at keeping position against Oden than Noah

By jay

June 26, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

ESPN reports that the Hawks have made an offer for Kevin Garnett: 3rd pick, 11th pick and considerations.

By Patrick

June 26, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

I don’t understand the portland rumors. Why would Portland trade JJ for Conelly at point? JJ has 2 years in the NBA and has shown he is a playa. I can’t see gambling on a freshman out of college that will be very green next year.

By james jones

June 26, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

DOC I MUS ADMIT THAT I’M A LIL YOUNGER THAN MOST OF U GUYS ON HERE BUT I PLAYED POINT GUARD IN COLLEGE AND FOR MU COUNTRY’S UNDER 18 (even though i was 20 then). AND I KNOW THE GAME. IS THE LAURENTINO GUY SURE YI’S THE PICK OR IS HE JUST UPSET THAT IT MIGHT BE YI? CAUSE IF IT’S CERTAIN THAT IT’S GONN BE YI I CAN DITCH U OLD TIMERS NOW AND GET A GIRLFRIEND B4 DRAFT DAY CAUSE THIS DRAFTTHING IS JUST TAKING OVER MY MIND RIGHT NOW!!!!

DOC PLEASE TELL ME HE WAS CERTAIN!!!!

I HOPE IT’ YI. I’LL BUY MY SEASON TICKETS THE NEXT DAY.

By doc

June 26, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

reese as a follow up to what you were saying. i read somewhere that if the hawks are able to make a move by july first they can actually increase their cap space. it is lost if they dont. with the ownership situation the way it is i dont expect them to be able to act on it nor go after anyone on the open market. however, it would bring the possibilty if they can get one vet player that is to make a difference and to be able to give up a salary or two along with one of the kids that are liked by other teams say a marvin or a chills. it may be a two or three for one but if it is the right one it is worth doing.

did anyone hear sekou on 680 today? left laurentino upset that they were going to pick yi, funny he didnt have a choice to suggest only upset at tham drsafting someone so litrle is known about. usual perry stuff as he crawls from his rock every morning. he still doesnt get just because fans havet seen much he is the one guy that the most is known about especially when you talk about dipping into the frosh group. for laurentinp to be agaionst something almost affirms we got to get it.

By mavid

June 26, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Please, No Noah at 3. I really wanna stay a fan of this team, and if that happens, Im done.

By Don

June 26, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Clearly the player in the draft (beyond the top two) who is the best fit with the Hawks’ needs is Conley. He’s the true point guard in the draft who has the potential to be a star. Law doesn’t have Conley’s quickness or true point guard skills, Crittendon has absolutely no point guard instincts as anybody who saw him play for GT last year knows.

The concern is that #3 is too high to pick Conley and he won’t be available at 11. So at #3, pick a player you’d be happy to keep, but who is also coveted by a number of teams drafting below you. I’d think that would be Al Horford. Then let the next 3 or 4 picks go until you get to a team picking at 7 or 8 who would love to have Horford. Trade Horford for their pick plus something else the Hawks need, like another inside banger, and draft Conley. Or maybe trade Horford plus the #11 for the pick to use on Conley AND a veteran who is better defensively than what the Hawks currently have at center.

Or just pick Conley at #3 and don’t worry about it. Picking a guy 3 or 4 spots too high to fill a need is no sin, particularly after the Hawks have spent the last 5 or 6 years passing up every point guard from Tony Parker to Deron Williams and Chris Paul.

By Anakin Joe

June 26, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

If I were an editorialist, I would give this the title of, “Old Dog Learns New Trick”. Let’s give BK some credit (for a change). Is there a player that he should have worked out that he didn’t? Assuming that the scouting department was looking at the suspects all along, BK brought in the right group of players to evaluate and interview. It seems that they are very well prepared to make a decision Thursday night (if they keep the picks). Unlike previous years, there are fan-friendly rumors floating virtually every day. BK has called to try to get D. Howard. BK is calling about Gasol, Camby and JON. At the same time, we haven’t been fooled into flights of fantasy for names like KG and Kobe. A year later, instead of a promise to pick Shelden, we get a promise of a PG, either through draft, trade or FA signing. If nothing else, the previously media unsavvy Knight has learned how to use the information age to appease the fan base, while at the same time keeping the insiders off base. Great job, BK. It looks like the old dog has learned a terrific new trick. (End of editorial).

If size and strength are keeping Solomon from being a major contributor on this team, what is it about Noah that we should find so appealing in his rookie year? I do like Noah’s tenaciousness and his “free spirit”, but are we sure Noah will be able to hold position in the NBA? Noah is a few inches taller but weighs the same as Solomon. Solomon is actually longer but didn’t complete as many reps of the bench press as Noah. I still think #3 should be traded for a vet star. If we’re drafting, go for the money ball… Yi.

By The REAL Tower of Power

June 26, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this

I just hate it when people use the word “hater”.

And I hate it even more when a so-called “professional journalist” uses the word “hater”. It makes the so-called “professional journalist” sound like a pathetic jock-sniffer who’s willing to make excuses for his “boys” because what he REALLY wants in life is to be a part of their posse.

Does that make me a “hater”? I sure hope so.

Anyway, keep up the “good” work, Scoop … oops, I meant Sekou.

In the meantime, if this basketball thing doesn’t work out, I hear that Pacman and Tank are hiring.

By doc

June 26, 2007 7:33 AM | Link to this

oj just playing with ya, as they say if you cant take the heat dont come to the kitchen. no names called and nothing personal, if you dish it you gats to take it. i am not a you tube fanatic i assure you but for years i have wondered how people could say he was boring, those films suggest otherwise and for those that appreciate him it is fun to watch. just sharing the info, that is all, just all fun. agree he is not a highlight flim just the best at the top of his game.

with love, from your favorite teenager … heh heh

By Josh C

June 26, 2007 7:04 AM | Link to this

Two things:

1) Saw a couple threads discussing a Portland trade of Jack and Aldridge for Marvin and the no. 3. I love that deal for the Hawks: gimme Aldridge over any big in this draft not named Oden.

2) If we can get some assets and stay in the top 20, I say we move down from 11. Why? Call me crazy but I see a real pg sleeper in this draft that few people talk about. Don’t know if this guy was a workout hero, but all he did was run the point on a team that won back-to-back titles, showed the ability to distribute and knock down the open shot. Of course I’m talking about Taurean Green.

A couple side notes:

Based on what I’m reading, don’t underestimate Portland’s desire to grab Conley. Most folks believe he makes Oden appreciably better.

It wouldn’t be a stretch to think a team picking around the 20th spot would give up a first rounder in’08 to move up to 11. Seems that Hawes/Law, et al are prized by many…

By Taurus

June 26, 2007 6:31 AM | Link to this

I don’t see why it’s so hard taking Conley at #3. The PG position is the most important positiin on the floor. He’s the floor general. You can have all the stud forwards and centers in the world, but if your PG makes bad decisions, turn over the ball a lot, and cannot set up his players in the right spots for them to be successful, the bigs are useless. Conley is extremely quick, makes very good decisions, doesn’t turn the ball over hardly at all, and it was him who lead Ohio State, not Oden. He’s a born leader. There’s a a lot of very good young point guards in the league, and if we don’t get Conley, we are going to always have problems at that position against the good ones(Hinrich, D.Williams, Parker, M.Williams, Paul, Felton, Arenas…just to name a few that are 25 and under.)

By OddJob

June 26, 2007 4:02 AM | Link to this

Night work sucks.I did some digging in the Portland team site.Their version of Sekou says a trade of the 11 for Jarrett Jack has already been made.That makes sense with the comments BK made.If it’s true then Horford is the likely pick at 3,Yi is a posibility but I’m betting Horford.So that would be JJ-JJ-MW-JS and AH.That team could run with the best,could they play like a team though ?

By OddJob

June 26, 2007 2:53 AM | Link to this

I am returned fellow draft diggers.I read that It’s 50/50 between the Lakers and Suns for Garnett.If they can pick up KG for Stoudamire the Suns would be crazy not to do it.Nash and Garnett,are you kidding me ? their games seem to be a perfect fit.I don’t know who else the Suns would have to throw in but just Amare for KG…no question.The Suns would be favored to win it all if they could keep most of the support players as well.Kobe and KG doesn’t feel right to me.There’s just one ball to play with Nash gets that,Kobe ?…it just doesn’t seem like a fit.

By Davey

June 26, 2007 2:32 AM | Link to this

CONLEY

By Matt

June 26, 2007 2:26 AM | Link to this

From draftexpress:

Speaking of Indiana, there is some chatter going on between them and Atlanta as well, specifically surrounding moving Jermaine O’Neal for a package including Josh Smith, the #11 pick, Speedy Claxton and salary cap filler. In that scenario the Hawks would likely take a point guard (Mike Conley Jr.) with the 3rd pick

http://www.draftexpress.com/blogs.php?blogid=3

By mykhalc

June 26, 2007 1:20 AM | Link to this

one good sign…at least BK and WOODSON realize that a PG is a MUST!!! and i don’t care how they phrase it, they NOW KNOW SPEEDY ain’t the one nor can he be the one, no matter how healthy he returns!!! maybe some sanity is showin’ itself!!!??!!!!

By dallas comegys

June 26, 2007 12:53 AM | Link to this

Professor? of what exactly? -Conley to freakin Brevin Knight? you gotta be shttin me, right? I dont care if you nuts think conley had a fluke year, as a freakin freshman, his numbers are impressive. besides dude has more ball skills and speed than knight, period. like i been sayin, conley’s a freakin point guard, people, i.e. court vision, natural leader, passing skills, very intelligent, makes others around him better, etc. not to mention he’s a blur. Do you people even WATCH any of the freakin games?! you need to things to succeed, -skills AND desire, one without the other doesn’t cut it, (see Kenny Anderson). Please hawks dont’t fck this up and pass on conley for another big or some freakin washed-up veteran PG help. They’re freakin lucky enough that they even HAVE the 3rd pick! Take that good fortune and do the right thing! A great attitude, superb ball skills, & world-class speed make for a player worth the gamble, as that being all the draft really is. We dont need another solid player upfront who may or may not be great when this team lacks a REAL point guard, people! Some veteran reject from another team isn’t gonna get the job done, (see Speedy Claxton). i mean, pay freakin attention sometimes wont you? -the only bright spot is it seems that BK was raving about conley’s wingspan, which as we all clearly know serves as the only true indicator of how good a player may be. you people will regret this, just like deron williams. 3rd pick too high? 3rd pick too high?! like any of you a**clowns know the true value of any of these picks, -oh yeah, what spot was steve nash drafted? the third pick was probably too high for him as well. if you got skill and desire, you will succeed. (if you actually watch basketball, then you would have noticed some of the talent nash has even in his rookie year when he played but a few minutes off the bench) you cant teach a true feel for the “flow” of the game, -thats exactly what frightens me about Crit, a talented guy but so was freakin dermarr johnson. Please, just get conley and at least you have a better chance than the other guys that this guy could turn out to be something really special, -he’s got skills, speed, and ALL the intangibles. Boris freakin diaw and the suns should actually have our pick this year, we got really lucky, take a chance at greatness on a position that we desperately need. Not a.miller, luke ridnour, jjack (whose probably better than any of the other options), law, crit, or whoever. or they’ll be rebuilding again for the next seven freakin years!!

By terrell

June 26, 2007 12:31 AM | Link to this

Another rumor is floating out there. Josh Smith and the 3 to Portland for Aldridge, Jack and 2008 unconditional pick. I really think Josh is going to be great, but I think that is a trade that we would have to take a look at if Portland offered. Trade Marvin for Josh and I would do it in a heartbeat. ODEN,Z-BO,MARVIN,ROY,SERGIO/ ALDRIDGE,PACHULIA,JOSH,JOE.JACK Then we could take best available at 11.

By hawkflack

June 26, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this

We have too much potential in this draft to trade away our picks. First bk has to do his job and make the best evaluation of the players - I know I cringe at that thought myself but bottom line he is in the drivers seat for this draft and that won’t change.

So instead of looking to trade away lottery picks in a deep draft for aging or average talent, I believe we should instead be strongly pursuing adding another lottery pick. This could give us the chance to bolster all our weak areas with some outstanding young talent.

So here’s the plan. At #3 draft Yi assuming he’s up to all the hype we’ve been hearing (once again we have to trust bk to make the right decision here). If he measures up talent wise then he is easily the best entertainment value in the draft and yes the nba is an entertainment industry. If not Yi then go with Horford here.

Next put Marvin on the trade block. This would probably be a draft day move. Once again bk has to make this happen but he can sell Marvin as the best talent from the 05 draft with two pro years under his belt to several teams which will be looking to draft one of the slew of sf’s in the mid lottery picks. Throw in one of our pg’s if necessary and pick Conley.

Next we still have our 11 pick. If Noah’s there grab him. If he’s gone the next best available big, Hawes or take a flyer on Williams.

With that we would have one of the most high energy front courts in the league and potentially dominant in years to come. We would also have our point that everyone covets along with jj with the only loss Marvin. I still think Marvin has some great upside but I think someone has to go out of that frontcourt to get us over the hump and this could make it work. BK just has to step up and make it work. Isn’t this what he gets paid to do anyway?

By OddJob

June 26, 2007 12:19 AM | Link to this

doc cheap shot, but no harm done…nobody holds Duncan in higher regard than me.But to make out that he’s known for his highlight vids is pure bs.I’d take him because he’s the best damn team oriented big in the game…not because he’s a human you tube machine..which he isn’t.really got’a get busy..latter

By reese

June 26, 2007 12:14 AM | Link to this

OK, BK has done his due diligence and looked at the players that he feels will bring value to the team. I’ve read the blogs, online websites and listened to tv/radio interviews. I’ve watch video highlights online and on tv. My conclusion is that there is no way that everyone on this blog is going to be happy with the picks, trades or free agent signings made by BK. Also, the salary cap space will disappear once we use our 2 picks.

Therefore, I go back to the fact that woodson has repeatedly stated that he needs bigs and a veteran point guard. I love the fact that Josh Smith is working with Olajuwon. But, I equally like the fact that he is working out with Calvin Murphy. Josh Smith gets it. His long term success will depend on his ability to play both on the inside and outside. He is already the best all around hawk

After doing my research, I still stick to my original recommendations to give woodson bigs. Draft Yi at the 3 spot. Trade up to the 4, 5 or 6 spot and select Noah. Yi for offense, height, shot blocking and money making opportunities. Noah for the defense, attitude, height, personality (he is excellent with the fans and the media).

Next, acquire a veteran point guard (billups, bibby, mo williams).

Find a way to dump Lorenzen Wright, 1 of the point guards (speedy, lue or anthony johnson) and shelden williams. I understand that a player like Marvin or Jchill may need to go as well as the number 11 pick to help facilitate getting rid of these players.

My dream is that BK finds a way to dump the players who are not needed and attain the players which will go a long way in balancing out the roster and finally giving woodson what he has asked for.

By OddJob

June 26, 2007 12:06 AM | Link to this

It’s been fun guys,there’s work to catch up on.One last thing,Josh is working on his low post game with Hakim Olajuwan.That could be as big as the draft….Latter all.

By doc

June 26, 2007 12:03 AM | Link to this

d that is some good stuff. sorry, my bad on the 5 ppg, i got stuck on his apg number over his career.

i am a fan of the spurs and the suns. if you wont tell odd job, because he doesn t see the value or appreciate highlights check out you tube on the big fundamental. you as a fan might enjoty it. it is a lot of fun to watch him. he is a cat. they also have him vs shaq with all the music to boot. pretty good stuff. the best is what they call one of the best shots ever. it was the end of the third quarter, time running out, shaq holding er, chasing him all over with someone else helping in the pursuit and tim faling back with a fade away at the top of the key off the wrong foot getting nothing but net. good stuff.

By OddJob

June 25, 2007 11:59 PM | Link to this

Ray great info..David Thompson and Dr J on the same team…now that would have been cool.

By diehardhawkfan

June 25, 2007 11:45 PM | Link to this

Professor, Conley left as a freshman…Williams and Felton both left as juniors and Paul left as a sophmore…it’s only fair to compare Conley as a freshman to the other 3 when they were freshmen…I vividly remember all 4 of them as freshmen…This is the order of who was the best…1. Paul 2. Conley 3. Williams 4. Felton…once again when they were all freshmen…Paul is the best scorer (of the four he’s the only one who can just take a game over…even as a freshman he was doing that), Conley is the best distributor, decision maker and defender, Williams has the best all round game, and Felton was the most athletic but also the most out of control (in terms of turnovers and game management). Once again, this is all as freshmen. I am fully confident that Conley’s game will progress to where these other pgs are in the NBA…not sure how fast though…the way he progressed at Ohio State, I’m confident it will be sooner rather than later.

By Ken Strickland

June 25, 2007 11:40 PM | Link to this

I remember another time the Hawks had 2 high 1st rd picks. We drafted David Thompson and Marvin Webster. DThompson refused to sign because we refused to sign his best friend, PG Monte Towe. Webster became disgusted with the way we mishandled Thompson’s negotiations, and followed him to the ABA. We ended up with only Bill Willowby, a high school player, to show for it.

Oh, one other thing, that was the same yr we signed Julius Erving to a FA contract. He even played in a preseason game, until the ABA threatened to sue. That’s when Hawks management showed they had no guts. Julius also became disgusted and went back to his former ABA team. Like that era, we also have management problems, but hopefully we will fair much better in this draft. It will be hard to mess this draft up. We will get what we need, but it likely won’t be who a lot of you want. I will continue to remain open minded and flexible. GO HAWKS!!!!

By OddJob

June 25, 2007 11:39 PM | Link to this

St Bernard Conley - Camby—-Conley - Hawes——Conley - Noah….any one of those makes for a much better team for years to come.

By D

June 25, 2007 11:34 PM | Link to this

The Spurs won in 1999, 2003, 2005, and 2007. So, TP was 21, 23, and 25 years old. Sounds pretty good to me; if Conley is the same as TP, I’ll take it.

TP played in the 2001-02 season, which was his rookie year. He was 19. His third season he won it all with the Spurs, so I stand corrected. (I guess I’m still a little miffed that the Spurs lost to the Lakers a couple of times in that era of 2001-2003— Fisher??? FISHER winning the game??? The shot clock had expired, I’m sticking to that story. The Kings should have beaten the Lakers in 2002 anyway— they were robbed. Gosh, this could go on and on and on).

But he did average about 9 ppg (not 5ppg, that’s just “flat wrong”) his first year, he started, he took care of the ball and distributed. And by his second year, he was averaging 15 ppg: (stats are here: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3527/career). So, the point is, he came in at age 19 and immediately contributed. He’s gotten better, no doubt about it, but he started out really good, at NBA starter-level quality for a team that had just won a championship in 1999, was a consistent strong playoff team, and had great talent.

If Conley is as good as Parker, the Hawks would be foolish not to draft him, and the maturity argument doesn’t fly.

By Matt

June 25, 2007 11:34 PM | Link to this

Steve T,

As someone who has played and coached, I can tell you that is a load of hooey. Having a competitive drive is one thing. Yelling at the point guard when he calls for a play not involving you is another thing. And snapping at your coach in a timeout when he calls for a play where someone else takes the last shot is absolutely, positively inexcusable. If you have a problem and think you’ve earned that shot, you take it up with the coach after the game. Snapping during a timeout just rattles the entire team at the most critical stage in the game and also drives a wedge between the whining player and his teammates - particularly the one (Tyronn) who was asked to take the final shot.

I still can’t get over the number of people who found fault with Woodson rather than Smith on the latter incident. For those that defend Smith, keep these two things in mind: First, Tyronn has hit at least two game-tying or winning shots that I can remember in the past two years. Josh smith has not hit a single one. Second, even if it was a legit problem, he never, ever, ever should have taken it out during a game. Any problems you have, you swallow it and save it for after. All that you’ll accomplish by snapping at a coach during a timeout is causing a distraction at a time when everyone needs to focus.

Josh Smith might have amazing talent and a good work ethic, but until he loses the attitude, he never will lift his team up.

By Professor K75

June 25, 2007 11:32 PM | Link to this

Diehard,

I didn’t really go into the numbers to compare Knight to Conley. I was just simply stating that just because you can distribute the ball, it doesn’t mean that you will be a Allstar PG. Knight reminds me of Conley because I always thought of him as a guard who could control a game well but never could really shoot. Not to say he is not good, but I wouldn’t draft him #3 in the draft. Would you guys say draft Conley if we had the number 2 pick? I just don’t see why we have to draft a 19 year old guard when we can get a decent one in FA or later on in the draft. If Conley was in the draft with Paul, Williams, and Felton, he would be picked behind all of them, no doubt about it. Say what you want about the stats, but those are the facts. So why in the world would we draft him with the 3rd pick? Ok, we messed up with Paul. CONLEY IS NOT PAUL!!!!!

By doc

June 25, 2007 11:32 PM | Link to this

die hard, i cringed when i read that article, thanks. we are so overwhelmed by cliches from the men that run this show bk and woody, their lines havent changed. wow, talk of no growth, progression or lack of imagination,

look we have had four years of top draft choices. how many first and second years players in all star games have there been? now how many hawks have been in the game? who boy that is a very sorry ratio and a huge signal of mediocrity.

now for the big prize, how many rookie of the years have we been ablle to draft in the last two years and come up empty? folks, rooks of the year dont fail going forward. sad, that we let two of them go. can we make it a three peat? i pray for something better, like a guy ready to play and someone that can find a way to make it into the game plan of his coach.

By St. Bernard

June 25, 2007 11:20 PM | Link to this

How would Conley and Camby sound at the end of the day Thursday?

We could give up the 11 and Childress or Zaza.

By St. Bernard

June 25, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this

Someone go to the archives and compare Paul’s interview after his atlanta workout to Conley’s this year. They sound like the same person.

Another, interesting tidbit… I didn’t know that Conley was an Arkansas guy. Think JJ is pulling for Conley because of the Arkansas connection? I think it’s also interesting that they didn’t build up Conley the same as the others….could it be a hint as to what they’re doing?

By diehardhawkfan

June 25, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Oddjob, It just gets me so upset…I’ve been Hawks fan all my life, and I’m getting so frustrated…BK has drafted 8 carbon copy forwards during his tenure as a GM and only one of them has been an all-star..and now he’s going to draft another so-called athletic power forward who can run and block shots. Goodness…the last great point guard we’ve had is Mookie Blaylock…so now we’re sitting at 3 with a pg who’s sick and tired of being in the shadow of Oden…who’s won at every level..who’s going to work his tail of off (it’s in his genes) to be a great PG in this league…and what do we do…draft another PF…then draft the second best PG to fill our most pressing need…so frustrating

By OddJob

June 25, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this

No doubt doc,Magic was the only guard to step off the boat ready to win a title.It will take time regardless of who they pick.

By Jay

June 25, 2007 11:11 PM | Link to this

In the last two games of his Texas A & M career, Law averaged ONE assist.

Please hawks do not draft him. We dont need another Jason Terry.

By doc

June 25, 2007 11:07 PM | Link to this

oj, go back and read the info from d, just flat wrong and what i was specifically addressing. lakers won it in 2000, 2001( after which parker was picked) and 2002. san antoine didnt win until 2003 not the year after parker was drafted. i think you got it out of context or misinterpreted the info and its intent. funny, i think that after kidd turned the spurs down the nets went on to play the spurs in the very next championship only to lose.

By OddJob

June 25, 2007 11:05 PM | Link to this

Sekou just posted an article stating that BK and Woodson say the team will add a pg this week.I find it interesting they say this openly the day Billups declares as a free-agent.Things have just got alot more interesting around here.I think Conley’s the guy, again the Billups thing is quite a tease though.

By terrell

June 25, 2007 11:04 PM | Link to this

We are all nervous professor

By diehardhawkfan

June 25, 2007 11:00 PM | Link to this

Professor, I could see why you would compare Knight to Conley…but really it’s not fair to compare two players based on their height and weight…if that was the case, kevin durant would be the next tayshawn prince because they’re both skinny and with a huge wingspan. Or better yet, A.I. and Chris Paul are both around 6’0”…let’s compare them to Brevin Knight. Conley is a much better finisher than Knight. Knight is a career 40% shooter, college and pro. Conley was 52% and will probably be in the mid to high 40’s every year in his career…Conley, based on his workout numbers, will be one of the top 5 fastest players in the league…Conley plays alot bigger than Knight because of his wingspan and vertical leap. Brevin Knight is more like Jacque Vaughn than Conley.

By doc

June 25, 2007 10:57 PM | Link to this

oj the point is to not make facts/truth up to support an argument. some could and have said maybe crit did the same, tryng to force things to happen all the while knocking down the outside shot and playing good d.

parker did not come into his own until the third year at the earliest, someone was trying to say he did it in his first year. that is the point. i know and you know to what level paker has come but he worked to do it and it wasnt there in his first year. no one should expect that from conley or sugest it will happen, especially by baseing it on parker’s learning curve.

By kirknga

June 25, 2007 10:49 PM | Link to this

No problem OddJob, it’s an intense discussion because people do care contrary to popular opinion.

I can understand the reservations about the PG’s in the draft. But let’s face it, nobody knows for certain who is going to be great, good, mediocre, or a bust. And that includes the first two picks.

So draft a PG, it’s need and you can get who you first choice is among them at #3. That makes more sense than drafting duplicates.

People will be more forgiving of a mistake a PG at #3, than they will drafting a type of player we have on the roster.

By OddJob

June 25, 2007 10:49 PM | Link to this

Good stuff diehard….sign’em up !!seriously he wouldn’t be a bad choice.Still too many options for me to make a call though.If I knew the offers BK has for the picks,it’d help to decide.

By Steve T

June 25, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this

I am tired of hearing how people think that Josh has a problem. The only problem he has is he wants to win. If you every played a sport, you know when people are going through the motions. I know that is rubbing Josh the wrong way.

What needs to happen is we some of this to rub off on Solo, MW, SW, and ZAZA. Solo should be working out with Josh.

By Professor K75

June 25, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this

First of all, I don’t think were going to draft Horford. I think its a smokescreen to try to get a trade brewing. I also don’t think we’ll get a blockbuster trade off with all the confusion of ownership going on. I just don’t see how that is going to happen and I can’t take another long drawn out trade like Joe Johnson. I have tried to like Conley but I’m starting to think that all of the PG’s this year are a crapshoot. Conley reminds me more of a Brevin Knight than a Tony Parker. I just think the league will shut him down easily, and then all of you Conley lovers will be blasting BK for drafting him. I think the Hawks should draft Yi with the 3rd pick because he has the most upside out of all the prospects after Durant and Oden. And like I said, all these picks past 2 have risks. You can’t say, draft Conley and plug him in for the next 10 years. You just don’t know. Ditto for Yi, but there is not one skill set that he is not at least decent at. If you guys can’t see that, I don’t know what your looking at. And take it from Kobe, if JJ likes Yi, you draft him, period. JJ is the glue that holds this franchise together and when he gets tired of ownership chasing its tail then he will leave and we will be rebuilding all over again, new unis and all. As for the 11th pick, I would trade it for a proven point guard. There are alot of free agents that will do. Heck, if Denver took speedy why not try to trade him for Camby. Injuries aside he was defensive player of the year. Dont forget that. I know I’m just rambling but I’m really nervous about this draft……

By OddJob

June 25, 2007 10:29 PM | Link to this

doc I don’t dispute your numbers on Parker but they belie his value.The Spurs are team passers,they move the ball around much more than the average NBA squad.This leaves fewer Assist from the pg position. His style will add a couple of turnovers a game because he’s so agressive to the basket.Those are more than made up for with his points and outstanding shooting% though.

By diehardhawkfan

June 25, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this

On last post OddJob…

Here is a comparison of Conley with the Deron Williams, Paul, and Felton as freshmen.

Conley: FG% .518, 3P% .304, FT% .694, TS% .592, Assists/Turnovers 238/86, Steals 87, PPG: 11.3, RPG 3.4, APG 6.1

Paul: FG% .451, 3P% .474, FT% .834, TS% .611, Assists/Turnovers 212/89, Steals 76, PPG: 15.3, RPG 4.5, APG 6.6

Williams: FG% .433, 3P% .364, FT% .677, TS% .539, Assists/Turnovers 264/109, Steals 38, PPG: 12.5, RPG 3.6, APG 6.8

Felton: FG% .455, 3P% .440, FT% .701, TS% .596, Assists/Turnovers 249/129 Steals 72, PPG: 12.9, RPG 4.3, APG 6.9

Conley had a higher field goal percentage, higher assist-to-turnover ratio, and more steals than Felton, Williams, and Paul had as freshmen (in fact, his field goal percentage is higher than they’ve ever had in their career, college or pro).

Conley as a freshman led the Big Ten in assists…the last guy to do that was Deron Williams….

Conley as a freshman led a major conference in assists, assist-to-turnover ratio, and steals…the last guy to do that was Paul (and Paul was a sophmore)

And I never even mentioned his athletic numbers which put them above the pg’s listed above….

Coney is a combination of Tony Parker and TJ Ford…he’s almost as good of a finisher as Parker (look at the FG %) but a better decision maker, game manager, and more under control than TJ Ford.

The obvious choice is Conley at 3….but of course Knight won’t do that…he’ll make the groundhog day selection of Horford (a PF not a true center) at 3, and pick Law at 11 (not even a true PG).

By OddJob

June 25, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this

Sorry Kirk I didn’t read your whole post at first.My point about Horford isn’t much different from yours.I don’t mind passing on A point guard.The question I ask myself, is Conley THE point guard for this team.

By doc

June 25, 2007 9:54 PM | Link to this

there was some MISINFORMATION on parker that was used to suggest how good conley would be as a first year. sadly, it didnt sound right because parker was criticised early in his career and was on the brink of being replaced after kidd was in the title game with the nets. IT WAS WRONG!

NO, parker didnt get to the finals in his first year. he was drafted in 2001. the spurs i think went on to win it in 2003 in parker’s second year. his numbers werent that good his first year at 5ppg. if you really look close we better hope that conley, if he is chosen to be our man, turns out better than parker as a distributor. parker does not have outstanding numbers of apg at about 5.5 and t.o.pg of about 2.6. those numbers compute to ordinary numbers and are similar to those put up by crit; though many criticize his to/a ratio; it is the same.

so it is a terrible argument to use the learning curve of parker to describe what could be expected of conley. it is not a selling point as it was three to four years before parker was given the accolades he has now not in his rookie year, or the keys to the offense.

if kidd had not turned down the spurs overtures at the end of 2002 then parker would have been no where close to the fixture he is now in san antoine nor wearing the rings on his fingers. please get your history right if you are making it as an argument for conley as it really shows how steep his learning curve may be by that comparison.

ando, you were a paul guy …. why arent you a conley guy? folks seem to want to lump them together. i wonder why you havent gotten on the conley wagon.

By OddJob

June 25, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this

I misstated, Horford averaged 1.75 blocks in 2 seasons at Fla. Shelden averaged 3.5 in 3 seasons at Duke.That’s exactly half not a third,my bad.

By kirknga

June 25, 2007 9:49 PM | Link to this

OddJob, uh, how about the reality check that I was comparing MARVIN Williams to Al Horford. I only added one sentence about Sheldon for emphasis.

My point is that to read the descriptions of the MARVIN Wiiliams and Al Horford is to read about the same player. In short…they said the same types of things about MARVIN Williams as they are saying about Al Horford.

We passed on a PG to get Williams, and now many are saying pass on a PG again for a players of the type we already have on the roster.

By Clyde

June 25, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

Hey I changed my mind. Noah at 3 and Law at 11. Or Noah at 3 and Sean Williams at 11. Billy ain’t gonna let a rookie point guard play anyway. Noah and Sean Williams won’t give us much scoring but it will solidify our front line for years to come.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By diehardhawkfan

June 25, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

It all started with this guy….

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nba/00draft/full003.htm

Any similarities to al horford

So between Swift, Battier, Gasol, Diaw, Jsmith, JChill, Marvin Williams, and Sheldon Williams all we have is one all star appearence…

guys what’s the definition of insanity…doing the same thing over and over again expecting the same results…we draft the SAME type of forwards every year…what makes this year different?

By Davey

June 25, 2007 9:34 PM | Link to this

Draft Conley!

By Jay

June 25, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this

Ive been trying to talk myself into Horford. He’s 6’9 3/4, offically, so most places are calling him 6’10. He’s got close to the same stats at Amare (who is also 6’10), so I think he can get away with playing center. Remember he played center at Florida while Noah (at 6’11-7’0) played power forward.

At the same time though, why are we going to throw the all-undersized front court every game? Josh Smith isnt quite big enough for some of the power forwards he has to go against, the same thing will happen with Horford.

By OddJob

June 25, 2007 9:26 PM | Link to this

Kirknga Just a friendly reality check.Horford averaged a third the number of blocks that Shelden did in college.Again that’s a THIRD AS MANY AS SHELDEN !! I don’t care how you slice it that’s significant.

By OddJob

June 25, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this

I want to add,bring in smart vets now who are past their prime, but know how to play championship basketball.The point would be to have them working with these young guys for a couple of seasons.Then when the pups are ready invest in the finishing pieces,the big time vets you need to go after a ring or two.

By kirknga

June 25, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this

I Googled the descriptions of Marvin Williams in 2005 and Al Horford now from 3 reputable sites. Remember what people said about Williams caused the Hawks to avoid taking the PG they needed. It seems like we are at the same place two years later.

Horford NBA.COM Strengths: Tremendous physical talent with the basketball skills and work ethic to match. Can play inside or out. Good defender in the paint and out on the wing. Can guard either forward spot. Strong leaper with a quick bounce for second and third attempts to rebound or keep the ball alive.

* Horford NBA.COM Strengths: Aggressive paint player on both ends who uses his blend of strength and athleticism to his advantage on the boards and as a shotblocker. Handles the ball and passes well for a big man.*

Marvin Williams NBADRAFT.COM…Strengths: Elite level athlete, Very quick and agile for a player of his size… Can play any position on the floor effectively.. Never out-worked or out-hustled… Doesn’t take plays off… Gives you everything he has whether it’s a high school playoff game or an AAU event… Excellent form on jumper… NBA range… Very effective when facing the hoop as he has a quick first step and utilizes his jabs and fakes to perfection… Court awareness is that of a vet… Finds teammates from anywhere on the court…An excellent passer from any spot on the floor who possesses great knowledge of the game…. At 6-9 he handles like a guard and has excellent touch out to 17 feet…. Great rebounder because of his size and ability to get off the ground quickly… Big game player… Plays his best in the clutch… A quick leaper who plays well above the rim. Has tremendous potential.

Horford NBADRAFT.COM…Strengths: Runs extremely well, able to beat most forwards down the court … Is blessed with an NBA ready body and good strength … Defensively Horford is a very strong post defender able to use his body strength to disrupt opposing players from setting up … Solid shot blocker thanks to his timing and great anticipation skills … Attacks the basket with aggression and power … A surprising ball handler and passer for his size … This enables him to pass out of double teams with relative ease … Is physical in the low post and does a good job of drawling fouls from opposing defenders … Usually he is able to use his upper body strength and finish after contact … Really makes a big impact on the glass where he uses his body strength to box out … Has proven to be a very coachable player with a solid work ethic … Possesses a calm presence, doesn’t let his emotions get the best of him … Shows good court awareness, rarely does he try moves that are beyond his skill level … Has shown the ability to hit the 12-15 foot jumper from mid-range … Maintains good body control and balance absorbing contact well from opposing post defenders … Rarely bobbles or fails to catch passes thrown into the post thanks to his soft hands

Marvin Williams ESPN…Summary: Williams is Insider’s No. 1-ranked player in the draft. He’s a versatile forward who c an play both inside and out. Still developing but has the trappings of a superstar.

Horford ESPN…Horford is a prototypical power forward with the strength, athleticism and size to play in the NBA right away.

The descriptions are mostly the same! So why does it make sense to draft a player you already have drafted already and avoid a PG? Add in drafting Sheldon Williams last year and it really amkes no sense!

By OddJob

June 25, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

I really like Camby,I wonder if this is the year to go after vets though.We may be better off waiting a couple of seasons till the young guys are ready to contend.Also we’d have a better idea of who we should keep and move.Not to mention we’ll know better what vets we need to finish building a championship team.

By Lifelong Hawks Fan

June 25, 2007 8:43 PM | Link to this

This is totally for fun and in no way supposed to be anything remotely resembling anything close to a rational thought. But I was messing around on ESPN’s trade machine and found a trade that works. Here goes:

KG to LA Odom and Bynum to Min L. Wright to LA Speedy and M. Williams to Den K. Brown and Camby to Atl

By mykhalc

June 25, 2007 8:33 PM | Link to this

ok, kinda off the top of my head and not sure if the numbers work but…GASOL and the 4th pick for HAWKS 3rd, 11th, (MARVIN or JCHILL), and (SHELDEN or ZAZA). might have to throw in AJ’s contract to make numbers work?? MEM gets HORFORD or whomever at 3 along with possible 2 previous #1’s and the 11th. HAWKS get a piece they need badly…a big time producer, still in his prime and allows the team to stay in position to fill the PG need or go SF to replace MW or JC or PF to replace SW. still leaves the choice of CONLEY, YI, NOAH, etc!!!

i’m feelin’ it but MEM probably isn’t!!!LOL and if for some reason this is a doable trade then i’d probably go YI to replace MW or JC. but also because the PG known as SPEEDY has the team held captive. he and his contract i see as unmoveable, tho i’d luv to be wrong!!!

mavid, you’re right about me not feelin’ SPEEDY’s game at all!! but you also might be right about him bein’ salvageable as a bkup!! 6 mil ought to bring the team SOMETHIN’!!!!

By D

June 25, 2007 8:20 PM | Link to this

I’m just posting to point out to Volman (since I’m a Spurs fan, and he apparently hasn’t watched the Spurs slowly build their team up and seen them win countless ways over the last 8 years) that Tony Parker was 19 years old— which would be under 20— and the starting PG for San Antonio when the Spurs won the championship in 2001. He was also a rookie. So, a team can win with youth if they pick up the right “need” player.

With that said and keeping that in mind, I still say Conley at 3 and whatever good big man is left at 11. But I wouldn’t be disappointed with Horford at 3, b/c it’s looking like he’s a player, he could log some big minutes right away and be an immediate improvement.

Seriously, though, the more I think about this, unless BK REALLY does something crazy— that is, make a trade of Boston Celtics or NY Knicks proportions and value (read: REALLY dumb)— these picks are going to improve the Hawks’ depth and, consequently, this team considerably. There are just too many talented guys in the top 15 or so to screw up! So, we should be happy with that situation alone.

By roan st

June 25, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this

DRafting horford will be an admission by knight that shelden williams is a failure. THe lanlord was supposed to be the power forward and enforcer in the middle last season. Now as usual we are taking another player at the same position as a previous year. I would be o.k with horford had we taken roy last season or paul the year before because we would then be close to balancing the roster. If we take horford we still need a point guard and center. And it won’t shock me if knight drafts another wing at 11. I hope they trade down a few spots and pick up a good veteran player. Then take the best point guard and post player available with the two draft choices.

By HB Ando

June 25, 2007 8:10 PM | Link to this

Mavid, I agree that taking Noah requires a trade-down. But not very far. If Phoenix ends up with the five or the seven, he’s a sure thing to end up in Phoenix. How many times should we be on the a* end of watching how a good franchise constructs a balanced roster. And my preference is that we use our combined assets of young forwards and two picks, to acquire a veteran center. In fact it’s my absolute desire that we approach it that way. But expecting an optimal maneuver from Billy Knight belies all logical conclusions regarding his short comings as a general manager.

I’m not going to argue with you, or anyone else, regarding our subjective opinions of the options for our picks. If Noah is good enough to go from 5-10, he’s good enough to address our glaring need for a defensive-oriented center. Every report I’ve read about his workouts highlights the same attributes: rebounding, shot-blocking, huge motor/heart, team-first attitude, the ability to initiate the break and pass the ball. In summary, everything we could ask for from a center who’s not projected to be the next great thing. Now, again, I’d rather we go get a vet. But, again, going into next season with Zaza as our center, and Horford expected to pick up some minutes there, is simply going to land us back in the lottery, where next years’ pick goes to Phoenix unprotected.

We must come out of this summer with a legitimate center.

With regards to Camby, I don’t see how 3 more years of contract, on a player coming off winning the defensive player of the year award, who is both a top five rebounder and shot blocker, who also averages over 3 dimes a game, can be a bad thing. Yes he gets dinged up. But I’ll take 60 games of Camby over Zaza and Shelden, and a glut of forwards and back up point guards, all day long.

By jhan

June 25, 2007 8:08 PM | Link to this

If I was an NBA team, I wouldn’t allow Lebron James to drive to the basket for dunks! What a moronic statement.

By terrell

June 25, 2007 8:07 PM | Link to this

Hey guys, we have cheap owners, so we probably wont go after Camby. There is a poor mans Camby thats available, who plays with just as much intensity. He also rebounds and plays defense. Isnt this what we need. That guy is Mikki Moore. Now dont laugh because I think he can do as much as an aging Marcus Camby, Noah, or either one of the so-called bigs in this draft. JUST A THOUGHT

By dave

June 25, 2007 8:03 PM | Link to this

I am amazed at how quick everyone is giving up on Marvin Williams. He has great raw skills, and was tearing up the summer league last year until he broke his hand. I think that he could break out this year. He is not a throw -in in a trade, but should command serious starting talent if we are going to trade him.

By Volman

June 25, 2007 7:57 PM | Link to this

Bulldawgs,

Tell me how many young twenty year olds San Antonio had on their team… Right.

Camby held up pretty well this season considering he had to carry the Center position on his back the whole season (Nene was hurt a lot..who else backed Camby up?)

Look at his points/rebounds numbers in the NBA Playoffs this season.. I’d take 10-19 rebounds a game from him ANYDAY. Especially the playoffs (which the Hawks will be in if he’s acquired.)

By Change of mind

June 25, 2007 7:55 PM | Link to this

I am very curious why they didn’t talk up Conley’s workout. Showing disappoint and expressing worries about his defense was not what I expected to hear even if true. I thought we would praise everyone in the press so people would call for a trade.

By OddJob

June 25, 2007 7:48 PM | Link to this

cp

By Lowcountry Bulldawgs

June 25, 2007 7:46 PM | Link to this

Trade for 33 year old Camby! Insane, when was the last time this cat played 82 games.Draft Horford at 3, then if Noah is @ 11 take him or the next best PG and go out and sign Mo Williams the FA PG from the Bucks who is really underated.

By terrell

June 25, 2007 7:31 PM | Link to this

Hawks trade 3, 11, Marvin, and Pachulia to Suns for Amare, 24,29. Just a rumor. I would do it in a heartbeat. Marvin could replace a soon to be departing Shawn Marion at sf and Zaza could add a little depth at pf and c. Plus they get 2 quality picks. We get the man that can help us defend and score in the paint. We could still get 2 quality players at 24 and 29. It could work out for both teams.

By clutch

June 25, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

You are a hater if you say Josh Smith or any other player should just shut up and play just because he makes millons of dollars. If your boss was cursing and disrespecting you constantly you would act out also.

By mavid

June 25, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

Ando, making a trade with the 3rd pick makes a lot more sense than taking Noah there. In fact, I would be sick to my stomach if we took Noah at 3 without a trade down. If Noah hypothetically was our guy (which personally I pray he is not as I dont wanna have to deal with both him and Shelly on my favorite team), than you maximize your draft position by trading down to someone who covets Horford, Yi or BWright; then take Noah (but please do not choose this option BK). Our F.O. actually　has played it well in the sense that everyone thinks we will take Horford or Yi (which is really the only two players teams would trade up for, so it needs to seem like we will take them).　Much better played than last year, thats for sure (although the end result could easily be as bad).

I think if Memphis really fears we`re going to take Horford (which I think we will), and they covet him as much as many have reported, than we might just be able to get Gasol in a decently fair package. Maybe. Maybe not. Basically, Im way more comfortable with a trade than I am with taking Joakim Noah. We are in a position to maximize our assets, and it has to be done. BKs job rides on it too and he knows that (hopefully thatll spark him into making a decent decision? maybe?). Taking Noah at 3 does not maximize our assets. I dont think taking him at 6 does either, as there has to be better scenarios than that.

If we kept our picks Id go Horford (bolster our big rotation with a much more skilled player than Noah) and see what pgs were available at 11. I think Law and Stuckey are both gonna be pretty good points in the league.

By HB Ando

June 25, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

Flash, my old friend (could that statement be a clue?), it’s cool to hear you mention me just prior to my earlier post. It means that even with my lengthy absences from the blog, I’m still on the minds of a few.

The ongoing Coppenrath dialog is truly subtle humor at it’s finest. I wish you could come down to Atlanta, for the draft, and join Doc and me, and, hopefully, a few others (I have a call in to Jhan, owner of 3 of the finest season tickets known to mankind).

By terrell

June 25, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

Ken, we can get a defensive presence at 11. Either through trade or drafting one. The only “so called” big that will definately be gone is Horford. All the rest have a chance to be there at 11. If they aren’t, we can trade down and get Sean Williams, who will probably be better than all of them other clowns. Somebody will give this guy a chance, why not us. I dont know where I would be today without second chances, so all you Sean Williams haters can just hush with all that crap. We need a floor general to grow with the talent that we have. I’m tired of putting it off. They made up excuses why we shouldn’t before and it looks like they are at it again. Come on Billy, be smart. One more thing, for you guys who think Speedy and Lue will be healthy this year, I want to know, WHAT IN THE HELL HAVE YOU SEEN TO MAKE YOU THINK THAT .HIT?

By terrell

June 25, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

Ken, we can get a defensive presence at 11. Either through trade or drafting one. The only “so called” big that will definately be gone is Horford. All the rest have a chance to be there at 11. If they aren’t, we can trade down and get Sean Williams, who will probably be better than all of them other clowns. Somebody will give this guy a chance, why not us. Idont know where I would be today without second chances, so all you Sean Williams haters can just hush with all that crap. We need a floor general to grow with the talent that we have. I’m tired of putting it off. They made up excuses why we shouldn’t before and it looks like they are at it again. Come on Billy, be smart. One more thing, for you guys who think Speedy and Lue will be healthy this year, I want to know, WHAT IN THE HELL HAVE YOU SEEN TO MAKE YOU THINK THAT .HIT?

By terrell

June 25, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

Ken, we can get a defensive presence at 11. Either through trade or drafting one. The only “so called” big that will definately be gone is Horford. All the rest have a chance to be there at 11. If they aren’t, we can trade down and get Sean Williams, who will probably be better than all of them other clowns. Somebody will give this guy a chance, why not us. Idont know where I would be today without second chances, so all you Sean Williams haters can just hush with all that crap. We need a floor general to grow with the talent that we have. I’m tired of putting it off. They made up excuses why we shouldn’t before and it looks like they are at it again. Come on Billy, be smart. One more thing, for you guys who think Speedy and Lue will be healthy this year, I want to know, WHAT IN THE HELL HAVE YOU SEEN TO MAKE YOU THINK THAT .HIT

By Bigboi

June 25, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

i love what we did in getting Miller, I really didn’t like anything at #3 anyways. This still allows us to take two big men at 11 and 12. Great move Billy!!!!!

By Guerin Bird

June 25, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

Chauncey Billips is now a free agent. Why not throw a ton of money his way and draft Horford and young PG for him to tutor.

By HB Ando

June 25, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

Let me preface this post by saying that I’m glad to see so many folks focus on the need to get a legit center, regardless of various opinions on whether Yi or Horford will be better forwards. A week ago, this time, I was thinking I’d be posting this opinion into a steady diet of “pick Yi…pick Horford…pick Conley” posts.

I said several weeks ago that I’d be happy with using both picks to take centers. There are clearly a number of ways to optimize our position here. Whether Billy will do so remains to be seen (and the biggest worry I have, after Shelden last year). So, with that being said, I’ve co-opted an e-mail I just sent to Doc, as my post:

I said it right after we learned that we’d keep the pick, and I’m still interested in Noah, IF there is no other realistic plan/option to acquire a legit center. I don’t see how it can be viewed as anything but failure if we enter next season with no upgrade there. If Billy is sold on Horford or Yi at 3, then he needs to move Marvin or Josh as part of a package for a center (and I’m increasingly of the belief that trading away Josh Smith would really stupid, unless if was for a legitimate all-star). Obviously, would love to see Gasol here. Still want Aldridge. At 8 mill per, I think having the defensive player of the year, in Camby, is worth his injury risk. I think moving Marvin to get him would be reasonable, or 11, if we then moved Marvin for a legit PG.

The thing that continues to be clear, in my opinion, is that there are a number of seemingly viable ways to balance this roster out and make it competitive for next year (some more realistic than others). But there’s simply no justification for drafting Yi or Horford, and NOT making a move to balance things out.

If Billy truly can’t swing a deal for a center, pre-draft, and his expectations are that will not change, post-draft, then he needs Noah, even if Horford or Yi project to be slightly better, on an individual basis. Scouting reports, that I’ve read, on both Yi and Horford, have underscored that both have struggled to defend against true opposing centers. Even the most outrageous comparisons of Horford to Duncan, fail to acknowledge that even Duncan has bigger centers playing behind him on defense. The idea that we can just small ball with Horford at the five is only slightly less ridiculous than plans for doing the same with Shelden last year (you saw how that turned out didn’t you?).

It’s a team game, and this team needs a legitimate defensive presence in the post. I keep hearing other teams rave about Noah’s motor, and his rebounding/shot blocking/passing, and basketball IQ. I hear about his heart and his commitment to winning, his team-first approach, and I think, “aren’t all of these things just what the Hawk’s need?”

If nobody else really wants Noah at 3, then Billy should move down a few slots and pick up an early second rounder, to make up for what he gave away for Anthony Johnson. There will be some real talent up through the mid-30’s. A Fazekas might slip there, or a fast-rising Euro. We still need real depth on this roster, so that our second team is competitive.

I’m really looking forward to Thursday, and will be making my way down to Phillips. But I cannot underscore the sense of foreboding dread I feel about what Billy will do. The possibility that he would saddle this franchise with Wright and Critt, when they must make a legit push for the playoffs next year (and should be able to if they just leverage their assets in even a decent fashion), just scares the daylights out of me.

If we come out of this draft younger (and I mean B. Wright/Critt younger), and without a center, it will likely finish off my largely waning interest in this franchise (though I’ll perk right up when Billy is finally fired, which, thankfully, is really inevitable).

By G Money

June 25, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

Kapps, Shelden was the biggest mistake he could ever make. If he picks Horford, Yi or Conley, nobody is going to say the draft was a bust.

By T-man

June 25, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

it’s easy; offense is needed scorers with speed is the answer.A point guard and a fast break big man. It’s easy at #3 Yi, Joe Johnson said at world championships Yi was alsome player.Next at #11 take either Conley or Law to dish the ball to all of the Hawks rising stars.By the way Yi could be the best player in this draft.

By Harry Hawk

June 25, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

Taylor Coppenrath.

A most notable Catamount.

By G Money

June 25, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t mind Gasol one bit for the #3 and a couple of players. I’d also hate to see Chills go but…. If we can keep the #11 do we still go after a Noah if he is around or do we get an Acie Law?

Now it’s up to Marvin to produce.

Line Up becomes:

Center: Gasol/Pachulia Power F: J. Smith / S. Williams Small F: M. Williams / Jones S Guard: J. Johnson / Stoudamire P Guard: A. Johnson / Law or Critt

I could live with that and would pay to see them play.

By Kapps

June 25, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

This is the last I’ll say until the draft. I’ve been in the minority by being a BK supporter. I’ve liked what he’s done in the draft and I like how he hasn’t handcuffed this team.

Having said all that, if he picks Horford over Conley, it will be the biggest mistake he ever makes.

Personally, I think he’s fronting, knowing that Memphis is drooling over the potential of getting horford. He knows he was ratted out last year with shelden and doesn’t want to make that mistake again. Plus, he’d love to stick it to Memphis.

By The Flash

June 25, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

doc curious little coincidence. I had recommended Coppenwrath to Belkin before the draft, having no clue that there were problems brewing between him and the Spirit.

Didn’t learn about them until the proverbial hit the fan. So, I couldn’t understand how the Hawks didn’t snatch the guy up. Still don’t.

By Macaroni Tony

June 25, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

I thank that Yi is a power forward also, but if we have to keep LW then he could still play rough down low. I am not saying that he will score because he want but he’s not scared to get tangled in the post. I do think that we should get a center through via trade. That is just something to think about…

By gregw

June 25, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

Any chance of a Kobe deal that wouldnt involve trading either JJ or J-Smoove?

Maybe NO. 3 and NO. 11, plus J-Chill, Marvin, and Lorenzen and Johnson or Lue for Kobe?

team would be

Pg Claxton/ Lue/Johnson (whichever 2 arent included in trade)

SG Bryant, Stoudamire

SF JJohnson

PF JSmoove, Solo

C Zaza, Shelden

The deal would take away lots of your depth, but u get a superstar, to pair with your other 2 stars. OF course u still dont get a point guard, but I figure the ball would be in either Kobe or JJ hands a lot anyway so pg isnt a pressing requirement.

By bravo papa

June 25, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

Well I know BK will screw up somehow. In a perfect world we need to dump Marvin, Lorenz, Shells, Speedy, AJ or T Lue. We need to pick up Camby, Hoford or randolph, Ridnour. Then with the 11 pick get Law. All these trades need to be done before the draft. That is because the Hawks will be caped out after the gauranted draft contracts are applied to the salary cap after July 1. I think it can be done. We don’t need anyone as soft as Gasol he is a joke. Please BK get it done can we think of a better deal than the #1 and #2 shot blocker on the same squad. A real point gaurd to run the offense. A low post scorer to take the pressure off Joe. Law will be ready to start in a year or two when Ridnour’s contract is up. C’mon BK get it done. We need it bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By The Flash

June 25, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

I know that you are going to find this hard to believe, but I really enjoy kibbutzing with you guys, I really, really do.

Currently, the only guy I get to regularly kibbutz with about sports in a similar fashion is my boy T, who writes back when he has the time and occasionally has read some of my stuff on his off season radio gig here in the district.

Haven’t communicated with Belkin in some time. If he gets to own the team, decent chance we’d start e-mailing again, which would be terrific. I really, really like the guy. Hey, I’d love it if he wins.

My passion about the ownership thing here during the early days was due to my outrage at what I saw was a wrongsided take on this thing in lockstep by the media. Now that things are more even balanced, I’ll always be for my boy, but am satisfied that the media is even balanced.

Hope that answers your question. Now, if Belkin were to offer me a job with the team, he’d be nuts, except if he is Andoman, in which case he is nuts whether he does or not. LOL.

By Chris

June 25, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

I like Yi a lot, but he’s a 4. You don’t need a C who plays out on the wing. Your big man needs to be near the basket, not out by the 3-point line. I think he’ll turn into an outstanding player, but we are jammed up at the F spots. If you take Yi, what do you move to make room for him? You can’t have Yi, both Joshes and Marvin sharing minutes at 2 spots, with Shelden thrown in there every once in a while.

That said, if you can move one of these guys (not Smith), the minutes would be divided between a less-diluted pool of talent.

We need a starting PG and a dominating C. Period. Do not take a F unless you are moving one of the guys we already have. Doesn’t make sense. Won’t make sense on Thursday, either.

By curious

June 25, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Anakin Joe - How can you have a mysterious hernia if you have surgery? Was that mysterious also. OddJob your words help to make Sekou’s point. He doesn’t know u. He can’t see you it is not personal. I think some of you need to take a reality check with these blogs comments. Because you write every day on a blog does not mean you know Sekou or does not make you an owner. YOU ARE JUST A FAN.

By T-man

June 25, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Listen we need scorers with speed(finshers)We got defense last year in the draft this year it has to be offense.You have to have points to win.We need a fast point guard and a big man who can finshAt #3 take Yi he’s a 7 footer,fast and can score.Joe Johnson said that Yi was alsome at the world championships.He’s a big man who can finsh on a fast break.Then at #11 take either Conley or Law to push the ball to all the great young players the Hawks have.They would be unstoppable.

By BosnianBaller

June 25, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

Since J smoove got drafted i kept praying that he would study Hakeems moves b/c smith is a little more atletic than dream but lacks the inside moves.now that he’s working with him it’s going to be great.

Why draft horford. picking him would mean we are giving up on shelden(never wanted him in the first place)PLEASE TAKE YI HE”S THE BEST AVAILABLE PLAYER

We are small any way horford would make us even more smaller.

Beter not screw this one up bk or we could have a new GM this time next year

By mountain_jim

June 25, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

ESPN’s Fran Fraschilla made some good points. (this transcription from mrHonline at the squawk:

Doug Gottlieb had him on about an hour or so ago on ESPN radio. They discussed (among other things) Yi, Stuckey, Conley, and Law, repeating many of the things we’ve said on here.

He did say that any GM who doesn’t know anything about Yi at this point simply hasn’t done his work. He said Yi deserved to be considered along with Horford. He complimented his mid-range game and ability to attack the basket from the perimeter, comparing his game to Dirk’s and Garnett’s.

He wasn’t as impressed with Conley, saying that if he were an NBA team, he would cut off Conley’s passing lanes and force him to score in the paint. He says there are legitimate concerns about his ability to score both inside the paint and from the perimeter, and that those weaknesses would affect his ability to distribute. A good player, but not worthy of a #3 pick, he basically said.

He likes Acie Law, but wondered if his coach at A&M had already maximized his potential. Stuckey, on the other hand, had more upside as both a scorer and a distributor.

By mountain_jim

June 25, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

ESPN’s Fran Fraschilla made some good points. (this transcription from mrHonline at the squawk:

Doug Gottlieb had him on about an hour or so ago on ESPN radio. They discussed (among other things) Yi, Stuckey, Conley, and Law, repeating many of the things we’ve said on here.

He did say that any GM who doesn’t know anything about Yi at this point simply hasn’t done his work. He said Yi deserved to be considered along with Horford. He complimented his mid-range game and ability to attack the basket from the perimeter, comparing his game to Dirk’s and Garnett’s.

He wasn’t as impressed with Conley, saying that if he were an NBA team, he would cut off Conley’s passing lanes and force him to score in the paint. He says there are legitimate concerns about his ability to score both inside the paint and from the perimeter, and that those weaknesses would affect his ability to distribute. A good player, but not worthy of a #3 pick, he basically said.

He likes Acie Law, but wondered if his coach at A&M had already maximized his potential. Stuckey, on the other hand, had more upside as both a scorer and a distributor.

By vitaman

June 25, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

Comparing Horford to Sheldon is like comparing MJ to Ron Harper. Their last year of College stats are similar. Michael had a better free throw %, Ron had superior numbers in assists and steals and rebounds, their Field goal percentage was virtually identical . Harper had an excellent career but Michael’s game translated better. Horford as a pro will blow by Sheldon. That being said, I would take Yi.

By Chris

June 25, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Had we not signed (not so) Speedy to that God-awful contract last year, we’d have roughly $13 mil under the salary cap this year. And Billups just announced he’s opting out of his contract. Another great move by Hawks management.

By travis

June 25, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

the Hawks will be taking Yi at #3!! It all makes since now. Picking Yi at 3 is bigger than the Hawks!! “If it don’t make dollars, it don’t make cents.” China has over 2bil people. They have a strong presence in Atlanta. Alot of Asians go to Tech. I agree with newkid and anon. e moss All of you who are advocating Conley, Horford, Camby or whoever won’t bring in the type of MONEY that Yi will. Follow the money.

By Marcus

June 25, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

I’m on the Hawks bandwagon. I’m curious on what position Josh Smith Plays. Is he a Power or small? Also, I think that they should go after PF-Zach Randolph, because they definely need inside scoring as well as a point guard. BK is really screwing this team up and they need a veteran GM to get this team moving. As far as the 3rd pick, I will go after a point guard. You past up Daren Williams, Chris Paul and Marcus Williams. yeah, point guards direct the team not forwards. Question, where do you think this team will be if they drafted Chris Paul or Daren Williams? Exactly! My point. Then, they should address free agency. Atlanta need to get a Small forward, that is if Smith is going to be the four. I’m just wondering, because it is so jacked up down there with all the forwards and not enough guards.

By Marcus

June 25, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

I’m on the Hawks bandwagon. I’m curious on what position Josh Smith Plays. Is he a Power or small? Also, I think that they should go after PF-Zach Randolph, because they definely need inside scoring as well as a point guard. BK is really screwing this team up and they need a veteran GM to get this team moving. As far as the 3rd pick, I will go after a point guard. You past up Daren Williams, Chris Paul and Marcus Williams. yeah, point guards direct the team not forwards. Question, where do you think this team will be if they drafted Chris Paul or Daren Williams? Exactly! My point. Then, they should address free agency. Atlanta need to get a Small forward, that is if Smith is going to be the four. I’m just wondering, because it is so jacked up down there with all the forwards and not enough guards.

By Mitch

June 25, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

Chad Ford writes an Insider Blog for ESPN, so I cannot provide a link. This morning he posted the ATL-MEM rumor…now he is speculating that the Hawks and Suns are talking a deal…he didn’t say what players would be involved, but he said part of the deal would include the Suns’ #24 and #29 picks (I think those are the numbers if I recall) and returning the first round pick (next year’s) to the Hawks…the one they still owe the Suns in the Johnson deal. Obviously the Hawks wouldn’t give up the #3 for just those three picks…so, what Sun would make this deal feasible? Amare Stoudamire, perhaps?

By cp

June 25, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

I dont know if we can afford Billups or Mo Williams. I think we have like 6 million under the cap. I heard Mo Williams wants 10 million per year so you can imagine what kind of money Billups will be seeking. I guess we will have to do a sign and trade to get them but we also have to pay Josh Smith after this season and we also have cheap owners.

By tony

June 25, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

Somebody better tell that GM that Al Horford will not make a different. Check out Shelden Williams stats> http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=11146 Now take a look at Al Horford stats> http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=24424 If Shelden had a better year when he came out of college, how will Al make a different?

By Tman

June 25, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Do we have cap room for chauncey billups? Why no rumors?

By cp

June 25, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

Yea giving up the 3 for Miller is too much in my opinion. I like him and wanted us to go after him a few summers back but nothing came of that. I dont like Ridnour’s game . He plays no defense what so ever. Im sorry but I seriously doubt Speedy plays more than 50 games next year and the other 2 pgs are better used as backups. Hell when you think about it Speedy is better served as a back up too. I would go Conley at 3 and see what big man falls to 11. I think its a good chance that one of the bigs will be available at 11. If we take Conley I can see both the Bucks taking a small foward. The only thing im not sure of is will the Kings take a foward to replace Ron Artest and the other aging fowards or will they go big. Its a good chance they go foward leaving us with a big. I dont think Chicago will take Noah but hey they could you never really know. I just dont know if Skiles will like Noahs flair. Skiles is kind of old school so he might frown on that type of passion. I think Noah could slide to 11. If he is not sliding trade up and get him. I would love Conley and Noah out of this draft.

By mavid

June 25, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

A-town. not bad. But you know if we did that trade we’d HAVE to get Conley at #4.

Conley, JJ, MW, JS, Gasol

Best team in the east in 2 years?

BUT, I dont think Memphis would ever give up their 2 best assets (the #4 pick and Gasol) for that. That’s prolly what they are demanding for Gasol alone!

Yeah, memphis gets fleeced in that trade.

By Ryan

June 25, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

To billy: You need to be the Hawks G.M. All three of your senarios make sense. If the Hawks can get Ridnour, Camby, and Horford in the draft, then they will be on there way to the playoffs next year.

By mavid

June 25, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

mykhalc, while i know you hate speedy and he was a huge disappointment, I think that Speedy will be quite effective as a 20-25 minute tandem pg (much the way he was with CP3 and the hornets). His body just cant take being a starter.

But, is he worth 26-mill? Of course not!

Still, a Law/Speedy tandem would be a nice pg rotation. Speedy just cant be a full-time starter. Dude is weak.

By Lifelong Hawks Fan

June 25, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

[http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/1182738320223380.xml&coll=7&thispage=2]

Everybody is wondering what the Hawks are going to do with this pick at #3. I’m wondering myself!

By tony

June 25, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Shelden Williams 05-06 stats at Duke: (FG-58%) (BLK-3.8pg) (FT-74%) (RPG-11) (PPG-19). AL Horford stats: (FG-60%) (BLK-1.8pg) (FT-64%) (RPG-9) (PPG-13). Shelden had a better year than Horford when he came out of college, so how will Horford make a different if they draft another forward.

By OddJob

June 25, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Sekou I can’t comment on JOKERS who may be sensitive to the word hater.I’ll just comment for myself.I got sick of the Falcons blogs (none of which were aimed at me).It has an ignorant,street tone to it.That’s my rant so call me a$$-clown or whatever you please.Like I was told a long time ago.Some language only informs you about the speaker.

By Lifelong Hawks Fan

June 25, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/24/AR2007062401519.html)

By Dale

June 25, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

Travis I agree, I believe the Hawks need to trade the picks, but let’s be smart about it. Camby injury prone with 3 years and 24mil remaining for the #11 pick, Hell No!, not that Camby isn’t better than any player outside the top two in this draft, but with no knees and 24 mil, no way!!

in addition folks, the following players WILL NOT be on the Hawks roster in November: KOBE BRYANT, KEVIN GARNETT, PAU GASOL, DWIGHT HOWARD, EMEKA OKAFOR, VINCE CARTER, those players are superstars in their prime, the 3rd pick in the draft Sheldon Williams and Craig Claxton will not temp any GM worth the price of buckwheat grits to make that trade. So please stop with the dreaming!!!

By Lifelong Hawks Fan

June 25, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

Tony,

Thanks for the link. I actually did read that one yesterday myself after I hear that on the radio. It didn’t actually make mention of the pick for Camby. I’m wondering what else Denver would want.

By OddJob

June 25, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

I think Camby will be a good addition towards building a champion.I think we’re two years away from being ready to compete at a high level (if we get it right)though and he’ll be 35 by then so I’d wait and see who fits best at that time.Also that’ll give us time to develop and evaluate the young guys.We can then make smarter trades than we could at this time.

By travis

June 25, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

I don’t understand some of you bloggers. You all are screaming for a 31 yr old Camby, who has spent alot of time on the bench due to injuries. How many games has he missed the last 3 yrs? He would look nice next to Craig Claxton and T. Lue. And you actually think that he is worth an 11?

By Erkel

June 25, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

DON”T participate in this draft. Trades for veterans are so the way to got his year. PLEASE give it a try. It’s not like we don’t get burned every year in the draft. We don’t draft good, simple as that. OR, we don’t combine draft nite with good trades and common sense. Let someone else shoot the craps wheel withthe 3 and 11 pick. I’ll take a tried and true set of vets to get us to the playoffs and beyond. Why cant’ we be inn the Garnett and Kobe stakes???? Too much money, well try for someone else. any thing but the wait and see rookie thing we seem to do. Hawks basically preparing kids for other teams down the road in 4-5 years. Trade for vets baby!

By A-Town Vet

June 25, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

Mavid that is a good idea however with Jerry Wes5t consulting the grizzlies still that trade scenario you put toghether will never work. Memphis will not trade Gasol for a draft pick two aging players, one they did not want last year and a young bench player. Fact is BK like versatile guys and the best player in this draft that fits what BK like( and a certified ballerr) is Corey Brewer of the Nat’l champs. Lets look at this trade and tell me what you think.

Hawks trade:

Grizzlies Trade: #4 and Gasol

The grixxlies getr an offensize center and move up one slot and pick up an extra pick to start their restructing process. If we need to throw another player( excluding JJ,JS,MW) or cash into the mix to, we could do that too.

The Hawks would get a Career 20/10 player to pair with JJ and a budding JS and we could use the # 4 to grab Brewer who could player 4 positions.

By mykhalc

June 25, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

DOC, stop readin’ my mind on questions for FLASH regardin’ ownership!!!LOL but i practiced and achieved the discipline of restraint!!LOL

By G Money

June 25, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

Actually, Yi with the #3 and Camby with the #11 might not be a bad deal. I wouldn’t give up much more for Camby - maybe Speedy’s contract. We’d have to finagle a point guard, but why not go after Chauncy, Ridnour, or Jack? With Yi, Camby and Smoove on the front line and JJ and XX pg in the backcourt, we’d have a pretty impressive squad on paper. Marvin and Chills as back ups along with Lue/AJ, Shelden and Solo. This wouldn’t be a bad team to watch at all.

I’m all for the ATL — let’s get Yi and sell more Cokes, paper products, and building materials.

By mykhalc

June 25, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

mavid, lineup looks good!!…except for SPEEDY!!! man, that cat’s game just flat-out disturbs me!!!LOL BK worked his magic to get GASOL from the HAWKS initially. and like another poster said, GM’s and coaches will sorta latch onto players they really like (and vice versa). i think BK and GASOL got it like that. and GASOL is exactly ONE of the things the team desperately needs!!! i’d luv to see him in a HAWKS NEW UNI!!!!LOL the HAWKS really are seatin’ in the driver’s seat this draft!! let’s hope nobody gets a brain freeze!!!!!

By doc

June 25, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

flash, does you wish list include a change in ownership as well as gm and coach?

sekou, care to tell us how this package is different from the packages we already have.

and did you get an invite to meet the asian monster?

By GatorFan

June 25, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

bob61 When did Horford play poorly agaist Oden? Was it the first game in December when Oden was 2 for 6 with 7 points vs Horford’s 5 for 8 with 11 points? They both only played 28 mins. Oden’s wrist was hurt but Horford’s ankle was in a cast the day before the game. Was it in the National Championship game where every call went Oden’s way to make up for the opposite treatment the game before?

By mavid

June 25, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

mykhalc

If we do the dicussed trade of Gasol for #3, Chill, AJ and ‘Lo, we’ll be looking pretty good.

Take Law or Stuckey at 11 (if Conley doesnt fall).

Law/Speedy

JJ/Salim

MW/MLE signing

JS/Shelly/Zaza

Gasol/Zaza/Solo/Shelly

Now, THAT is a lineup I can live with.

You got Gasol, JJ and Smoove as one of the best cores in the East. Add an emerging MW to the mix and a great scorer/competitor like Law or Stuckey, and we’re in business!

By cory

June 25, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

Why not trade the picks for a Jermaine Oneal or try to pick up a Mike Bibby. This team has enough young guys they need some veterens to balance it out.

By Colorado Bulldog

June 25, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

I am curious about Rodney Stuckey’s workout last Saturday. Can he play the point? Does he have more upside that Law or Crittenton? And any thoughts if the hawks and thinking of doing deal with Clips (#11 for #14 and #45), picking Horford at #3, Stuckey at #14 and making him a pg and picking another big body in 2nd round?

By Chris

June 25, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

Alright, with all the chaos, Thursday awaits all of us, now picture this,

Chauncey and Mike have great ties in Detroit.

PG Chauncey Billups

SG Joe Johnson

SF Josh Smith

PF Sheldon Williams or WELCOME #3 PICK IN THE DRAFT AL HORFORD

C Pau Gasol (Even though we have already traded this player via draft i’ll give up Josh Childress we got too so peace up A Town Down, #11 and Lorenzen Wright and if you want Anthony Johnson, WHO ANTHONY JOHNSON, MEMPHIS WILL BITE, we have watched him become a stud, he has fully grown into a TALENTED NBA PLAYER, NOT A DRAFT PICK anymore just coming off the board so for those who can’t do math, it is not TWICE the value u used up, ITS THE NBA, IT AIN’T NOTHING BUT MONEY BEING THROWN AROUND LOL SO WHO CARES, Trade the 11 since they already own the 4 so they would love to pick 4 and 11)

BENCH Speedy Lue Stoudamire Mo Peterson (FA) I want Rashawn Lewis, BADLY Sheldon Williams or Al Horford ZaZa Marvin Williams Miki Moore (FA) New Jersey Nets Exciting player off the bench, I need to be GM. PAY ME!

By Anon. E Moss

June 25, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

I have a frat brother that works with the Mayor Shirley Franklin. He has told me that the city has been in contact and is “nudging” the Hawks to select Yi Jianlin in the upcoming draft. They are looking at the business angle, what it can do for the city. It made sense to me with Delta trying to get routes into China. The city is trying to stay in good grace with China. Mei Lin (spelling) the new panda at Zoo Atlanta is in the news nightly. I don’t care if you believe me or not. I am a regular blogger but I used an different name because I don’t want the “fame or glory” by reporting what I was told. But it makes alot of sense to me. He did not say that the Hawks were going to pick Yi, but that the mayor’s office have been having “meetings” with Hawks official to pursuade them to select Yi with the 3

By Macaroni Tony

June 25, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

I’m not Sekou, but that is one of the most talked about rumors on the web.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_6214446

By travis

June 25, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

Anon E. Moss, that is deep and it makes sense. WOW!!

By Lifelong Hawks Fan

June 25, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

Sekou,

I was driving home yesterday from a friend’s house here in SoCal and overheard the rumor that the Hawks are trying to pry Camby from Denver with the number 11 and they are listening because they are trying to free up cash. Any truth to that?? Thanks man.

By Nique For Coach

June 25, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

Hawks select 2 more forwards—get a new uniform to try to distract us from our crappy GM’s Crappy picks.

By Dale

June 25, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

Macoroni, you are a prime example of what I wrote about earlier. Ain’t no way in Hell Memphis is going to give up Pau Gasol for the 3rd pick and anybody on the Hawks roster not named Joe Johnson or Josh Smith.

It just amazes me how the momentum builds up on some players before the draft. Horford is a good player, NOT GREAT, and to hear somebody comparing Horford to Elton Brand is hilarious.

And the comments about Yi are even funnier. Like people have actually seen this guy play.

The other comment I thought was funny, was Mike Conley led his conference in assist as a freshman? Who cares, so did Bobby Hurley and Chris Corchiani, even Sean Miller did back in the 80’s at Pitt, Hell, Bo Kimble led the nation in scoring, Randolph Childress averged like 40pts. a game in the ACC conference.

The truth is that the Hawks are a complete mess. But they do have a solid young nucleus that needs to be COMPLEMENTED with proven experianced players in their prime (Andre Miller, Chauncey Billups, etc.)

Horford is 6”9 too small to play center and lacks the defensive intensity to be a Ben Wallace type.

Conley might be good, but not for at least 3 years and we don’t have time to wait.

Bottom line, trade the @#%$@^*’n pick!!!

By newkid

June 25, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

Anon. E Moss, thanks. Shirley is sharp, but there are tons of others on the ‘for profit’ side who’re likely light years ahead of our dear mayor in perceiving economic opportunities. I’d find it shocking if myriad business interests within the state with aspirations to leverage the ‘Yi factor’ to pursue business opportunities with China weren’t doing the same, but doing so much more aggresively. I suspect the Yi decision is MUCH, MUCH bigger than BK and Woody. Even cursory students of market economies must know that deals are likely already being struck (between business interests and ASG) to guarantee purchase of whatever suites and season tickets Hawks haven’t sold by some date certain IF the Hawks were to draft Yi. Whatever investments are required (by these business interests) to purchase the unsold suites and seats will likely be a drop in the ocean compared to the economic opprotunities that might be realized with a ‘yes to Yi’ decision by ASG. Enjoy the basketball discourse, but follow the money.

By mykhalc

June 25, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

GASOL to the HAWKS…just got a feelin’ BK is gonna make that trade!!??!!

By Ken Strickland

June 25, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

To all of you who really like Conley, I like him too. However, the Hawks can’t afford the luxury of spending the #3 pick on him. The only person we have in the middle, besides Zaza, is LWright, enough said. At least we have three experienced PG’s that are decent, when healthy. And, we have an opportunity to draft an additional PG, or combination guard, with the #11 pick.

No matter how, quick, fast, poised and intelligent Conley is, he can’t solve our rebounding and interior OFF/DEF problems. That is the biggest of our 2 biggest needs. Don’t let your wants(Conley, PG)take priority over the Hawks needs(quality 5).

By mavid

June 25, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

haha, tp, I dont know if you can read THAT much into it.

The kid can ball tho.

By Macaroni Tony

June 25, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

I see that Yi turned down a workout with the Bucks but he gave a workout for the Sixers. The interesting part is that the Bucks is drafting with the sixth pick. Noah also turned them down.

By Anakin Joe

June 25, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

Sekou thanks for the quick update. Have your sources given you an indication about the personal interviews of the guys who have been brought in? While it is clearly secondary to on-court performance, this team needs someone with leadership skils and personality. Surely Noah offered some pluses in that category, right?

By terrell

June 25, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

Just saw that Chauncey opted out of his contract and will become unrestricted.

By tp

June 25, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Also a great point mavid - chills’ versatility and production at SG/SF would be missed.

Sekou wrote:

“Stuckey’s workout was uneventful, from what I gathered. He certainly didn’t blow everyone away. But his talent was evident.”

Pre-draft gamesmanship translation: Stuckey’s workout kicked arss - he’ll probably be the #11 pick if available.

By Truckstop

June 25, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

The Hawks WILL come out of this draft with a good pg - it just won’t come with the #3 pick.

The Hawks are solid at sg (JJ) and pf (j smith). They have several sf’s but none of them bring enough to be starters and that includes Marvin Williams (he puts fear in No One’s heart). We need someone their when the ball leaves JJ’s hand and goes to the 3 spot we can count it money. That’s definitely not the case now.

So, we Don’t need another pf or sg. Getting someone at 3 who can give us 20 plus a night would be great. A effective pg who can score and someone in the middle that doesn’t dissappear during the season (and during games).

I pesonally don’t think the Hawks will (even with these good picks) do a good job of addressing these needs.

By Bill-T

June 25, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

Anyone who thinks the Hawks will get an immediate starter out of this draft is smoking a pipe full of hope/dreams (I also like the one that has the Hawks trading for Kobe!). Knight knows that, and that’s why he is desperate to trade the #3 pick for a proven starter at either 3 or 5. Knight might use the #11 pick for a PG, but not the #3. Without a trade, they will likely take Horford at #3 and hope that he can provide some immediate back up at 4 and 5. If they cannot trade #11, they will take Crittenton and let him develop behind Claxton, Johnson, and Lue until he develops. Barring a flood of injuries to their starters, and with increased team depth, they should have enough to sneak into the playoffs. If not, Billy and Mike are both gone.

By terrell

June 25, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

What’s up fellows, check out NBA TV. They’re showing classic NBA drafts. I’m just watching and wondering what mistakes the Hawks are about to make. Danny “BAD KNEES” Manning just went first to the Clippers. That’s where he should have stayed. Just thought I would let yall know that. Cant wait till draft night.

By tp

June 25, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

Great point about Pachulia Stinger.

I’d personally be ecstatic if we nabbed Gasol from Memphis. As Sekou writes, it will be interesting to see:

1. If a possible trade is still being considered by both sides.
2. The finally tally of exactly which players swap teams when all is said and done (IF a trade is consumated).

For what it’s worth, I’d also be ecstatic if Noah fell to us at #11…

By mavid

June 25, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the info Sekou.

I think if a trade ships JChill out, than there is a much higher chance of getting Stuckey at 11, as he can play both guard positions (this is also assuming the FO has faith in Speedy to play 25-30 minutes a game next season).

By The Flash

June 25, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

ray

Coppenwrath I have to believe is still playing in Ireland, but might be elsewhere. He played in Ireland the season before this past one, and during the summer, put up some impressive numbers playing for one of the NBA teams.

Coppenwrath might well be one of those guys who enjoys the life of European play and prefers it to the grind of an NBA season, unless there would be really big bucks. If so, have to say that he is a guy after my own heart.

I think that Coppenwrath’s understanding and appreciation of the game would make International play much more attractive than what is displayed by most all teams in the NBA. His skill set as well seems to be geared to quick touches and finding scoring/attacking opporunities in such a context.

As I am an advocate of an approach to offense that is much more skewed toward International play, ie, the pro-style Princeton offense employed by the Kings when Webber and Vladi were there, mentioning Coppenwrath is my way of teasingly referencing what I see is fatally wrong with the team.

Thus, now that I think about it, you are precient in your likening my posts regarding Coppenwrath to Clyde’s. I believe, like him, that it all begins with getting a new coach and gm.

By Anon. E Moss

June 25, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

I have a frat brother that works with the Mayor Shirley Franklin. He has told me that the city has been in contact and is “nudging” the Hawks to select Yi Jianlin in the upcoming draft. They are looking at the business angle, what it can do for the city. It made sense to me with Delta trying to get routes into China. The city is trying to stay in good grace with China. Mei Lin (spelling) the new panda at Zoo Atlanta is in the news nightly. I don’t care if you believe me or not. I am a regular blogger but I used an different name because I don’t want the “fame or glory” by reporting what I was told. But it makes alot of sense to me. He did not say that the Hawks were going to pick Yi, but that the mayor’s office have been having “meetings” with Hawks official to pursuade them to select Yi with the 3

By Stinger

June 25, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

G-thang - you slam the hawks organization and BK specifically and then point to the Gasol trade where BK was the GM of Memphis and stole Gasol from the hawks - talk about running in circles.

It’s fun to slam BK but he hasn’t blown many picks. Not necessarity the best player at each pick but no Darko’s either.

The hawks will be much improved this year regardless of our draft picks - JJ and Smith are already studs and I’m expecting Marvin to bust out this year - Sheldon will never be an allstar but he will be a defensive presence and rebounder for years to come.

Back to BK - how about some credit for Zsa Zsa - maybe the best center in the NBA who costs Under $4MM a year would you rather have Kamon @ $9MM (starting ‘08) or Collins $6MM or Ilgauskas $10MM or Dampier $10MM or Gadzuric $6MM or Blount $7MM or Maglore $8MM I could go on and on. I trust BK to do the right thing here - I would love Conley but will be happy either way.

By Macaroni Tony

June 25, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

I will also back you Sekou, lets think about the positives of the Hawks and not always the past… JS said that want happen again and I’m on his side…

By Macaroni Tony

June 25, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

I don’t agree with the #3 for Andre Miller…. We can pick up Charlie Bell in (FA). We could pick Yi with the #3 pick and then trade the #11 and dead weight for Gasol. I don’t agree with trade either MW or JC but SW and LW or what other dead weight that we have…..

By A-Town Vet

June 25, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

G-Thang, Billy was the GM of the Grizzlies then and here acquire Gasol from the trade. now that BK is in Atlanta he would be getting Gasol back in a diferent trade. Many GM find players they like and trade, sign , or acquire those same players when they move to different teams. This proposed trade is ironic becuase it happens to involve the same two teams.

By JJ

June 25, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

I would like to say to the people who keep getting on Josh for that one incident that yes he was wrong for what he did, but you act like he has done that like 10 times or something. Get over it. It’s done with. For a team with so many losses in the last few seasons it was actually nice to see some sort of passion. Nobody told him he had to go train with Hakeem but he did. And I will back Sekou up by saying that you are all HATERS. Yes I said it. And What.

By Rob Martin

June 25, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Why wouldn’t the Hawks pursue Billups now that he is a free agent? That would really help with the point guard situation. A proven veteran at PG should get us back to the playoffs quickly.

By ToeKnee

June 25, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Sekou, don’t you DARE call me a #@$@# $#@ clown!!! you hater!

By kirknga

June 25, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Where are all the people who commented about the Hawks need for a PG on almost every blog this season? Suddenly it’s as if everyone has forgotten and got caught up in the hype.

It’s like sending a woman into buy a pair of sandals and they forget that as soon as they see all the shoes they could buy.

And if Philly is willing to give up it’s starting point guard for the #3, it seems to me that they believe there is a point guard to be had at that spot that will serve them well into the future…and they won more games than the Hawks last season.

By G-thang

June 25, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

The Hawks organization has bred ineptitude. Check this, they drafted Gasol and sent him and Lorenzen to Grizzlies for Sharif. Now you want to give up another draft pick to get Gasol back? That’s like paying twice. Billy Knight is a consistent idiot. He will not pick Conley at the 3. I doubt that he has the b@lls to pick Yi either. Y’alls GM is killin’ us.

By terrell

June 25, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Dale, I didn’t say a thing about Andre Miller. Wrong person bro

By terrell

June 25, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Dale, I didn,t say a thing about Andre Miller. Wrong person bro

By A-Town Vet

June 25, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Mitch if this is True I’ll take that, Gasol is a baller. Sad to to see chills go but I think we could replace him.

By Stinger

June 25, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

Mitch I don’t see an updated Chad Ford blog - I love the trade how about a link.

By Sekou K. Smith

June 25, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

Horford was impressive this morning, a physical specimen for sure. But beyond what you already know, there were no revelations.

Stuckey’s workout was uneventful, from what I gatethered. He certainly didn’t blow everyone away. But his talent was evident.

The more people that reinvent this Memphis trade, the more I believe it WILL NOT happen. If there is a trade, I fully expect it to be something that comes out of the blue (the team and players involved). At least that’s how it usually works.

And when did you jokers become such a sensitive bunch? Someone mentions the word haters and you all start clawing back and trying to defend yourselves. Calm down and relax. It’s not like I called you all a bunch #@$@# $#@ clowns or something. Ha.

By Nique

June 25, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Now, this is plain and simple I have talk with my officials, coach mike woodson and I think if we take this approach we can possibly lock up a home game for the 08 playoffs

Draft Horford at 3

Julian Wright at 11

Free Agents Chauncey Billups, Mo Peterson

1. Billups
2. Jo Jo 1 and 2 make it rain all day
3. Josh Smith
4. Horford/Williams
5. FA C/ZAZA/Williams/Horford Bench, Lue, speedy, Mo Pete (6th Man) Marvin W. Josh C., Salim. S and whoever else it don’t matter we can run with anybody if we push the ball, our big men get down the floor very well, Big Bodies and Great blocking out skills and dominate the perimeter.

By Mitch

June 25, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

ESPN’s Chad Ford wrote in his blog today of the following trade rumor: Atlanta trades F J. Childress, F L. Wright, G A. Johnson and the #3 pick to Memphis for C P. Gasol.

By Greg

June 25, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

question…there is a lot of things that can happen on draft night, we all know this. But what if the draft went this way for us… Horford at #3 and then Noah was sitting there at #11? would we be opposed to grabbing him? after reading about his work ethic and swagger, I might be okay with this. any thoughts?

By tp

June 25, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

Dan,

If you can’t wait for TiVO, get one of your friends to send you a text message…just tell the wife it’s work-related!

By Dan

June 25, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

I still want Conley with the third pick. I can live with Horford, though. That guy is a stud and has just gotten better and better these past two seasons. Plus, he will put Sheldon Williams firmly on the bench.

tp, I usually do not like it when people dream up possible trades. Your deal getting Miller and the #12 from Philly sounds good to me, though. I would like to see that happen.

I can’t wait for the draft. Although, it is the same day as my wedding anniversary so I will have to watch on DVR after dinner.

By james jones

June 25, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

first things first if you had to compare any pointguard in the league to andre miller right now it’d actually be speedy. guys that boy was hurt that’s all he’s not a bad player so ya’ll stop knocking him off.

then smartguy, u’re the one hu’s doing the p** off with that lousy post. how many posts show us or tell us about people’s defensability? except they go late in the first or in other rounds. trust me ya’ll defense wasn’t our problem it was the lack of offense. we played good defense but we could go up and down the court 12 times and not score. that’s a problem not our defense cause other than sheldon and salim i dare someone too say one of these players doesn’t play or didn’t play good defense. we need offense we already have defense.

and yi can play defense he just plays better offense than defence and that’s always a good thing. good as ben wallace is trust me he’s not the reason the pistons one he’s just a part of it. and he might as well be the reason the bulls lost. (lack of offence) on a studded team.

By diehardhawkfan

June 25, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Conley, as a freshmen, led a major conference in assists, assist-to-turover ratio, and steals in the same season…last player to do that was Chris Paul…and Paul was a sophmore…

With the third pick in the 2007 NBA Draft, the Atlanta Hawks select Al Horford…

By Dale

June 25, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Terrell, I agree that number 3 is traditionally high for a player like Andre Miller&#12, but not this year.

My personal opinon is that Corey Brewer is the 3rd best player in the draft, but he dosen’t fit what the Hawks have going now. Last year Adam Morrison went #3 in the draft, would you have made the trade last year?

Mtn. Jim, thanks for the WaPost link. It is very scary when Mike Gerron compliments BK for going 103 and 233 since 2003, what a joke of an ownership!

By Ken Strickland

June 25, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Three(3)more days people. Up until now, everyone has been civil and very forthcoming about their draft/trade preferences. However, shortly after the Hawks selections are announced, these blogs will immediately turn negative. There will be a repeat of last yrs obsession with who we coulda shoulda drafted, traded, and/or traded for.

Therefore, enjoy the relative tranquility for the next 3 days. I have no doubt that attitudes and comments will drastically change. I hope we acquire a quality 5 that addresses our poor interior OFF/DEF. I also hope we acquire either a PG(Law, Critt, or Conley), or a versatile SF with an all around game like Brewer, or Wright out of Kansas. If we select Wright or Brewer, we can trade one of our forwards for an experienced PG. With the quality pieces we’ll add, and the improvement of the quality pieces we already have, the Hawks will make the playoffs. Remember, you heard it here first. GOOOO HAWKS!!!!!!!

By MJ3

June 25, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Andy,

If you think this is a guard-driven league, I want whatever it is that you’re smokin.

And agreed on what everybody’s saying about Smoove. Glad to hear he’s workin out, but it don’t mean nothin if he doesn’t grow up and stop actin like a punk. JR Rider had all the talent in the world, but never was going to lead a team to the playoffs because no one on his teams could stand playing with him. If Smoove stays a locker room punk, he’ll never be anything more than a cancer.

By terrell

June 25, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Why do I continue to see Luke Ridenhour’s name in a trade. Why do you think Seattle wants to get rid of him. He can make an occasional highlight or two, but this is not the guy we want. No better than Speedy, Lue, or AJ. I’m just tired of seeing his name, when it concerns the Hawks. I think Billy listens to all that sh.t, regardless of what he says. That is the only reason he would have selected Marvin over Williams and Paul when he had just took Chill and Josh the previous year. The so-called experts, had Marvin ranked #2. Hell a lot of them had him #1. BK knew how freakin bad we needed a point guard. I watched the lowsy western conf. finals just to see Deron play and so I could have some thoughts on what might have been. Listen guys, there’s a point guard in this draft that can see the floor exceptionally well, with the quickness to take it to the hole if he has to, no matter who is guarding him. Defenses will have to respect that. We need someone to push the ball and find one of our 500 freakin forwards for a jumper or a two handed wind-mill. I cannot take another year of wathing T-Lue dribble for 20 seconds and taking long jumpers, just beating the shot clock. Speedy’s irrelevant. We’ll be lucky to get 50 games from him. Everyone has their own opinion, this is mine. We have to get Conley. Somehow, someway. They’ll be a nice big sitting there waiting for us at 11. I’ve got the feeling its going to be another year of what could have been. Dont diappoint me BK. If 3 is too high for him its too high for the rest. At least thats the way I see it. GO HAWKS. The new unis are tight, but the hawk looks a little bit like a cardinal. Its all good though.

By tp

June 25, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

Dale,

Your points are valid, but I feel the greater risk is trading the #3 pick for Andre Miller. I’d take my chances with him by trading the #11, however.

By mavid

June 25, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Great news about Smoove. If dude comes back with a legit post game. UH-OH for the rest of the league.

Sekou or anyone else, any word on the Stuckey workout? I won’t lie, the guy intrigues me. He’s a gifted scorer who still distributed quite nicely in college.

Horford is the guy at 3.

Law/Stuckey is probably who BK goes for at 11. (Conley will be gone and Critt is just too much a project right now).

By Dale

June 25, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Folks, I think we need to be a little more realistic about the talent level in this draft. Outside of the big two, everybody else is a crap shot.
Don’t try in tell me that Horford or Wright or Noah can start next year at center for this team. They all might be big busts!!!

Please don’t try and tell me that Mike Conley is the next Tony Parker. And for the Love of God please don’t try and tell me that Yi is the next Yao.

Let’s keep things simple, the Hawks have a young nucleus of talent: JJ, JSmith, JSmooth, The Williams, ZaZa & Solo, it’s time to build around this young group.

I like the idea of getting Andre Miller and the #12 pick from Philly.
Andre is only 30yrs old and a proven leader. Just think what JJ and JSmith can do with a All-Star caliber pg.

You are not going to get Pau Gasol, or DHoward, or Okafor with the 3rd pick in the draft. Other GM’s are not as stupid as ours is!!!

Keep it simple this year, no risks.

By Dan

June 25, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

Anakin Joe,

I couldn’t agree with you more on Josh Smith. I don’t consider myself a “hater” because I didn’t like it when he cussed out Woodson. I still have a problem with it, too.

This is a big season for Smith. Good for him that he has taken it upon himself to improve his game. His outside shot needs a ton of work. I still say he is a much better player when he attacks the rim. Good things happen when he plays aggressive. He can be an All-Star.

It is all for nothing, however, if he keeps having his little temper tantrums everytime things don’t go his way. No way you can drop major money on someone that acts like a 2-year old everytime a play is not run for him.

Sekou, you can call that “hating” all you want. I call it just expecting someone who is pretty well paid to show his boss and teammates a little respect. You calling that “hating” is complete BS.

That being said, Sekou, I heard you on the NBA Sirius station last week talking about the draft. Good work. You added a lot to the show.

By vdunkndunk

June 25, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

That’s pretty cool that Josh Smith is working out with Hakeem. That’s probably the best Josh Smith news I could have received over the summer. If he could add any semblance of a post-game he’d be twice as good an offensive player as he was last season.

As for the draft, it’s Horford or Conely for me. I don’t care that much who we choose between those two (okay, fine, I’m dying for Horford), but I really don’t want Wright or Yi.

Personally, grabbing Al Horford then trading the 11 pick for Jarrett Jack and Portland’s second-round pick this year would be the perfect draft for me. I’d love to watch a team featuring Jack, Joe, Marvin, Smith, and Horford in the starting lineup.

By Andy

June 25, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

I’m sorry, but I just have ZERO faith that Knight and Co. will make the right move in the draft. Remember, the Hawks do not have a #1 pick this year so the team won’t change drastically for two years. As for me, I say draft Conley at #3 and the best post player available at #11. If they do some kind of trade, I believe in 3 years we will still be the worst team in the league and beginning the rebuilding process all over once again. Remember this is a GUARD driven league and the Hawks have shown appallingly little regard for the most critical position on a basketball team. Overpaying Speedy, who reminds me of Chipper Jones except Chipper actually used to be a player, was just the latest poor decision regarding guards. I am SO tired of the Hawks!!! Please, please draft Conley. It’s the ONLY move that makes any sense. If the Hawks don’t draft Conley, I’m not even going to pay attention to the team for the first 2 weeks of the season, which is what I typically do until they have played enough games to take their normal place as the NBA’s worst franchise.

By Mike The Mechanic

June 25, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

SEKOU how did Rodney Stuckey’s workout go on saturday? What did the coaches think?? Were they impressed?

By mountain jim

June 25, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/24/AR2007062401519.html is the WaPo article on BK

By Anakin Joe

June 25, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Sekou, good stuff. Not sure that I would call folk who called out Smith for shooting a boat load of 3s “haters”. And certainly not those who criticized him for cursing out his coach or not running AJ’s called play or the “mysterious hernia” injury that came precisely after Woody was about to bench him. But I am thrilled that he is working on his game. Let’s hope he gets off to a very strong start this season.

I said last year that the Hawks would have to grow “organically”, specifically through guys like Smith, Marvin and Zaza. That doesn’t change with these great picks.

No way I’m believing the Andre Miller for #3 rumor. Philly may have called and BK may have listened but I doubt it went much further than that (much like BK’s call to Orlando about Howard). I’m hoping for the Pau trade. JJ, Pau and Smith is clearly the nucleus of a playoff team in the East.

Travis, Brandon Wright isn’t facing competition in his workouts. I’m not sure that Conley is either. We do know that Noah got an up close look at him and was impressed.

By Traceman

June 25, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

I still think a trade for a veteran big man is the best option. It doesn’t matter which young guys we bring in, none of them are going to have the impact that an established vet would have in the next year or so and I am tired of losing. I would entertain trading the #3 pick and players in a package for the likes of Paul Gasol, Jermaine O’Neal or Kevin Garnett. I would entertain trading the #11 pick and players in a package for the likes of Marcus Camby, Nene or Chris Kaman. A lot of people are concerned about the injury histories of guys like Jermaine O’Neal, Marcus Camby and Nene and those concerns are certainly valid. However, I think there is a better chance that Jermaine O’Neal stays healthy than there is that Yi, Conley or even Horford have enough impact to make us a playoff team.

That said, if we keep the picks, I’m taking Horford at #3 and the best PG left or Noah at #11.

By A-Town Vet

June 25, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

People, we are not that far frowm the playoffs. i suggest we take our two picks along with marvin williams and offer them up to the Timber Wolves for Garnett. Not sure if they will take it but MW will be a hometown draw for their box office and they woul have two picks to begin rebuiding. We would have to legitimate stars and one budding superstar in Josh Smith. Sheldon and Solo could split time at the 4 and ZaZA could back up Garnett at the 5. Unless Speedy wants to be banished fromt the NBA or Play musical chairs from team to team while his contract runs out he will do much better this year. With this line up I bet we would be at worst a 5th seed in the O7 playoffs.

By tp

June 25, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

Yi has the skills and potential to be an excellent complement to JSmith. Nothing not to like re: Horford, but a 7 footer with that type of athleticism, paired with Smith.

Great to read Smith is working so hard to realize the immense potential he has. Refreshing, actually. I hope Sheldon, Chills, Marvin and Solomon are working as hard.

By smartguy

June 25, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

evg- are you serious? Is that book on Yi all you could find? If we wanted to read it, we would’ve checked it out. Instead, you clogged up our blog. Thanks. No one has done anything on here to p** me off in quite a while, congrats evg. geez.

On the basketball side, I did not see one comment on Yi’s defensive ability, nor did I see anything on rebounding. Yi sounds good, and he may be a great player, but he just is not what we need. If we can get a shot at #11, take the risk, but at #3, no thanks.

By diehardhawkfan

June 25, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

Billy, JSmith is working his tail off to be an all-star level power forward. Keep him there…Don’t draft another “tweener” in Horford…he played PF at Florida….why switch him to C…Law is a combo guy…he’s not a true PG…we need to stop trying to fit squares into round holes…get the best true pg in the draft at 3 and trade up to get the best defensive C outside of Oden (which is Noah). Conley and Noah would bring energy back into the Highlight Factory…

By Mike The Mechanic

June 25, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

Interesting read in today’s Washington post on Billy Knight.

By evg

June 25, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

Hey Hawks fans; I copied and pasted the information below from a USA today article written about Yi Jianlian. Please read:

LOS ANGELES — Yi Jianlian (pronounced yee chon-len), the likely top-10 NBA draft pick from China, is billed as the next Yao Ming, but don’t be fooled. He’s 7 feet tall, 247 pounds and quite an athlete, more akin to a power or small forward than a center such as the Houston Rockets’ Yao at 7-6, 310.

Yi is quicker, faster and much springier. He’s an excellent shooter up to 18-20 feet and can hit three-pointers, too.

Ahead of Thursday’s NBA draft he has worked out informally for and with a variety of veteran basketball people not affiliated with particular teams, and he has universally wowed them. Respected observers such as Pete Newell, Kiki Vandeweghe and Don MacLean have watched Yi up close, and they think he can be an immediate starter or major contributor.

Newell, the legendary Hall of Fame coach who has run the Big Man Camp for years, had Yi there four years ago. He renewed acquaintances last month, watching Yi work out at UCLA.

Kiki Vandeweghe | Broadcaster Maclean | Yi Jianlian “Yi will end up being the best player in the NBA from China, and I know that’s saying a lot,” Newell, 91, says. “He has much more body control than Yao, and he’s a much better jumper. I’m real high on him, and I think I’m right.”

Yi has the full attention of teams with high picks in Thursday’s draft. He worked out for the Atlanta Hawks (Nos. 3 and 11 picks), Boston Celtics (No. 5), Chicago Bulls (No. 9), Sacramento Kings (No. 10), Philadelphia 76ers (No. 12), Los Angeles Clippers (No. 14) and Golden State Warriors (No. 18).

ESPN analyst Vandeweghe, the former NBA player and Denver Nuggets general manager, says he was “blown away” by the Yi workouts he saw last month.

“What I didn’t realize was how athletic he is,” Vandeweghe says. “I’ve worked out big players for more than 20 years, and I compare Yi very favorably to when I first” worked out with Dirk Nowitzki.”

Broadcaster MacLean, the former UCLA star and NBA forward, worked with Yi for a week recently. “People say, ‘Oh, he’s good for a Chinese player.’ No, he’s good for good,” MacLean says.

Yi, working out the past two months in Los Angeles, where his agent is based, still must prove he can mix it up inside, be a solid rebounder or capably defend the post. Then again, he’s just 19.

His biggest promoters say he is not the next Yao, but The Next Generation — a Chinese player who can run and jump and dunk with a flourish.

Despite all the praise, he might be the biggest mystery in the draft. Some NBA teams have scouted him in the Chinese Basketball Association, where he led his Guangdong Tigers to three championships in four seasons.

He has an international track record, too, but it is spotty. He played only sparingly alongside Yao in the 2004 Olympics, averaging about three points and three rebounds.

Yi was more of a factor last year at the World Championships in Japan, averaging 6.2 points and 5.7 rebounds. He had a respectable showing against Dwight Howard, Elton Brand and the U.S. team, finishing with 13 points and seven rebounds in 24 minutes in a game the USA won in a rout.

His athleticism and potential are intriguing, although it’s difficult to tell how that will translate to the NBA without seeing him regularly against high-caliber competition.

MacLean says it’s a legitimate concern.

“I watched him on tape and saw him play in a couple games in that Chinese league,” he says. “It would be like me playing against sixth-graders. One game he had like 42 points and 15 rebounds and 38 of them must have been dunks.

“You’re taking a chance picking him real high without seeing him against guys who are going to play in the NBA.”

Yi has strong, muscular legs, is lean in the belly and thin in the upper body and arms. He has worked off and on for nearly a year with strength and conditioning coach Joe Abunassar, who has trained such NBA players as Garnett, Chauncey Billups and Baron Davis.

Abunassar says Yi has less than 4% body fat, a vertical leap of 361/2 inches and can run the floor as fast as a lot of guards.

“He’s at the top end of every kind of test for speed, strength and agility,” Abunassar says. “I’ve rarely seen a guy with his athleticism and work ethic.”

Four years ago, Yi got permission from Chinese officials to attend Newell’s camp in Las Vegas. Yao had just finished his rookie season. Yi, then 15, was dreaming of following Yao to the NBA.

Last month, when Newell saw Yi work out at UCLA, Yi at one point executed a quick spin move that caught Newell’s eye.

“Who in China taught you that move?” Newell asked Yi. “You did,” Yi said, smiling. “In Las Vegas.” Bottom line, MacLean says, is that Yi “should be a good power forward who can really step out. Nobody’s going to ask him to get 25 (points) and 12 (rebounds) or be an immediate All-Star. “But he’s big enough and skilled enough to be a contributor and be a starter right away.”

Yi will be the fourth NBA player from China, but his agent, Dan Fegan, said he did not know how Yi’s contract would be negotiated with the Chinese government. Yao, Wang Zhizhi and Menke Bateer had to give part of their salaries to the government.

Fegan has been protective of Yi on and off the court. He has allowed only a few interviews.

Yi hasn’t played in any pickup games in L.A., although the area is full of good runs with talented college and pro players.

“That’s too dangerous,” Fegan says. “Someone is always going to want to prove himself. It’s a recipe for injury.”

So Yi works day after day on his shooting, post moves, agility, strength — mostly against no one. On a typical day recently at the UCLA gym he worked out for about an hour on a court separated by a curtain from pickup games.

His mother and an official from his Chinese team sat on the baseline, expressionless, while a coach fed Yi for shot after shot, occasionally giving him pointers on his release or trying to get more leg in his shot. His father crouched on the far sideline, expressionless.

A week later, Yi held a formal workout for the Kings at Home Depot Center in Carson, about 20 miles southeast of the UCLA campus. Yi put on quite a show, hitting shots from all over, polishing off post moves with strong dunks, stroking three-pointers, running the court and finishing high above the rim.

What did Geoff Petrie, Kings president of basketball operations, think of it all? “Good, for what you’re allowed to do in these workouts,” he said.

Fegan and Yi’s parents say Yi really is 19, although stories for several years suggest his age was doctored by the Chinese basketball federation, and he might be 22.

“I don’t think anyone is worried about his age,” Petrie says. “You’re looking at whether or not the guy’s a real good basketball player.”

Less than a week before a monumental day for him, Yi says he is not nervous or afraid about what NBA clubs are thinking.

“I have talked to Yao, and he tells me you have to be aggressive and mentally strong,” Yi says. “Some people have told me to be prepared for a little bit of a rocky start, so I am preparing as well as I can for that. I know I have to get stronger.

“But everything has gone well here in my training and my workouts. I am not really surprised. I think I have a good sense of what the competition will be like, and I know what I am capable of doing. I think I am ready.”

By clint

June 25, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

I’d love to have Andre Miller running the show, but we can not give the #3 pick for him, #11 ok, but not the #3. Don’t do it bk unless they’ll take #11.

By Rutuger

June 25, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

Has there been any talk of any head coaches available at #11?

By bob61

June 25, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this

Yi at #3!

Yi is much ‘bigger’ than Horford! Both Yi and Horford have added weight recently by working out and now weigh about the same. Yi is up to 248# and Horford is at 246#.

But Yi is much longer and can jump higher! Yi is 7’1” tall in shoes and Horford is 6’9 3/4”. Yi has a wingspan of 7’4 1/2” and Horford has 7’0 3/4”. Yi has a vertical jump of 38” compared to Horford at 35.5”.

Both Yi and Horford have some experience at playing in the post. Horford played poorly against Oden. Yi played well against a team of NBA all-stars at the 2006 FIBA championships. He had 13 points, 7 boards, and 2 blocks. The USA team members (including Dwight Howard, Lebron James, and Joe Johnson) were impressed with Yi and said good things about him. If Joe Johnson would like to have Yi as a Hawk, that’s good enough for me.

Yi at #3!

By Lowcountry Bulldawg

June 25, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

What about drafting Horford at 3 and if Noah is available at 11 take him. Then when free agebcy opens up go after Mo Wiliams the PG from the Milwaukee Bucks.

By destin

June 25, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

Yi at three, Law or Critt at eleven, trade for center. Yi is a freak of nature with his speed and ball handling for a man his size. He can shoot, he can pass, he can play several positions, he is a hard worker with a good attitude, he’s only 19, and he will get ‘bigger and better’. Plus, if Josh is working with the Dream, he may feel his future is at PF. With Speedy healthy, Lue, AJ, and Ivey, we could take a year to work in a talented PG who has star potential. If Law has the passing and ball handling skills to be a true NBA point, and the mindset to distribute the ball — he should be selected — if this is not the case, take Critt — a true point.

Before trade roster: PG - Speedy, Lue, Crittenton or Law SG - JJ, Chills, Salim SF - Yi, Marvin PF - Josh, Sheldon, Jones C - Zaza. Wright

Of course, if we just had a decent center added to this lineup, we would be very good, very soon. The problem is, to get a quality center, we would have to give up a lot. If we strive to be a serious contender in a couple of years, we may have to consider JJ in a trade since 2 or 3 years down the road his window may have passed.

By pass it on

June 25, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this

Seems as if the dutchie is being passed around to bloggers this morning…

The #3 pick for Andre Miller? Smoke up, Johnny!

By Carter

June 25, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

Yep, just what we need…..another aging pg. He can join AJ, Lue, and the other aging ones.

By kirknga

June 25, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

The Philly rumor is interesting, but there’s a reason that teams have traded Miller several times.

And if you’re ready to give up the #3 for a veteran point guard, then it makes sense to draft one as well.

The proposal is just interesting because it’s hard to say that if we add Miller we’re a playoff team and that’s the kind of impact a trade of the #3 for a veteran must have to be right.

By WONK WONK

June 25, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this

can u please try to see if Solomon Jones is working on his game and getting bigger?

By mountain jim

June 25, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

I would rather keep #3 for Yi or Horford and only trade #11 and change for Miller (or any starting vet PG).

By Ernest

June 25, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this

One has to wonder about the potential Philly deal because of the number of veteran PGs already on the roster. I’d love to see Miller in a Hawks uniform but at least 2 of those guards would have to be moved. Also, the #3 pick seems a little steep to pay for Miller.

It’s going to be fun to see how things turn out this week! Whatever happens, let’s hope the Hawks can put a more competitive and exciting product on the floor next season.

By mountain jim

June 25, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this

Yeah - new blog, shorter for now…

Interesting PHilly rumour Dale - seems like with that and the Denver Camby rumours, BK is talking to everybody and we are hearing about it from the other side, not leaking from this end. BK doing better job of keeping options open down the draft-stretch this year. We all spend so much time talking about our choices in the draft but its looking likely that we may not have #3 or possibly either of our current picks by draft time, vets instead.

By Willie Coyote

June 25, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this

I don’t mind getting Andre Miller but I wouldn’t give up the #3 for him. I’d do the #11 and a player. If you are going to trade the #3, you have to get more than Andre Miller and the #12 (like Andre Miller, this year’s #12, and maybe next years first rounder if possible). Okafor/D. Howard and the Bobcat’s Magic’s first round pick next year would be more attractive to me but those two guys are probably untouchable and they are division rivals to boot.

By A-Town Vet

June 25, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

While, I like most have not always agreed with BK picks i do feel he has plucked talent out of the draft with each of his picks. hopefully after this draft all those pieces will make sense. And for J-Smooth, Yall must of thought he was playing when he said he wanted to put the ATL back on the map like it was when Nique ran the show. The boy is serious is going to wreck the league this year.

By Stinger

June 25, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

The Phily trade rumor has been around for 2 days now. A player must be involved to make it work under the cap - acceptable would be 1 or 2 of our pg’s.

My verdict would be to do the deal for Andre Miller an experienced pass first pg - then look to trade #11 & #12 to move back up or stay there and hope a big falls.

By kirknga

June 25, 2007 8:01 AM | Link to this

I think too many are overthinking this draft.The Hawks need a point guard and center, or a power forward.

There are more bigs in this draft than point guards. Therefore you take the point at #3 where you are sure to get the guy you like. Then you take advantage of this “deep” draft by taking the best big guy available at #11.

Seems to me that this is the best strategy to deploy, and while not fool proof, it does make perfect basketball sense.

I think this is especially the case when there is no consensus on who the third best player in the draft. I have yet to read, for example, that Horford is the 3rd best. What we get is that that he is “the most pro ready” or some other such description, but never the clearly the 3rd best. This may explain the lack of teams trying to move up to draft him.

The Hawks cannot afford to ignore drafting for need and draft the hype as they did with Marvin Williams. By the way, where are all those folks who predicted that Williams would turn out to be the best in that draft after a couple of years?

By Truckstop

June 25, 2007 8:00 AM | Link to this

Like billy, I like Yi for pick 3 and whatever point guard available at 11. Trade combo of Marvin, Childress, Sheldon, Zaza, AJ, Lue, etc. for a big man in the middle (Camby sounds good). Playing Yi at 3 (shooting forward)gives the team a great outside option to compliment Joe which helps open the middle for Josh and front court players.

With that said, I’m sure BK will go for Hortford. And for you Hortford fans, what do you do with Josh Smith. He ain’t no shooting forward by no means which means Joe would have to carry the bulk of the offense AGAIN!!!

By Big Kev

June 25, 2007 7:57 AM | Link to this

Dale:

I like the idea of Miller, but I would rather give them Marvin Williams and let them keep their pick. That would allow the Hawks to get Horford @ 3 and a center @ 11. (Hawes / noah / Jason Smith from CSU)

By Big Kev

June 25, 2007 7:51 AM | Link to this

The more I think about the games I saw at florida, I am thinking horford is the right pick. He reminds me alot of a young Elton Brand, and that my friends is a highly good thing. I think that at 11 the hawks should be able to get either a center or a point that can start, and I think that a trade of marvin williams would be a good ending. Dream scenerio is drafting horford, trading marvin and the 11 to someone for a chance at a corey brewer and a 2nd rround pick. I think he could play some point for the hawks as he screams point forward to me. It would be a hellaciouly athletic team that could shoot the rock c - horford / pachulia pf - Josh Smith / Sheldon / Jones sf - Josh Childress / Rayshawn Terry (2nd rd pick) Sg - JJ / Salim pg - Brewer / Speedy /AJ

By Jamal

June 25, 2007 7:50 AM | Link to this

As long as Billy Knight and Mike Woodson are running the show, it doesn’t matter. They have created a losing culture for the Hawks. Heck, Houston Rockets make it to the playoffs and fire their coach. Billy Knight has been in the lottery is whole career. People say he is a good GM because of his draft choices. Well, you are going to draft a few good ones when you are picking in the top 5 year in and year out.

By Al

June 25, 2007 7:44 AM | Link to this

Josh Smith wants to be an all star player dude is already training and its only June

By Dale

June 25, 2007 7:42 AM | Link to this

There is a strong rumor running through Philly that the Hawks will trade the #3 pick to Philly in exchange for Andre Miller and Philly’s #12 pick.

Sekou, can you verify the rumor?

I kind of like the move for the Hawks, it would give us a solid EXPERIANCED pg in his prime. I would then target Thaddeus Young and Spencer Hawes at 11 & 12.

By Ernest

June 25, 2007 7:26 AM | Link to this

I’m one of those that has advocated for taking Yi with the #3 pick however the rumors about the possibility of Camby have been intriguing. My preference is to use the #3 pick with a package to acquire Gasol, if there is a possibility of that.

Nonetheless, there is a pretty good article about Yi in the 6/25 USA Today, in fact on the front page of the Sports section. You can read it at: Yi article in USA Today

By travis

June 25, 2007 7:05 AM | Link to this

Those who are advocating for Yi, you still haven’t told me why his handlers are hiding him from competition during the workouts? Everyone else have to show their goods, why are we willing to give him a pass. I don’t want a car that I can’t test drive, but I have “heard” that it can drive and I have “seen” videos of the car being driven, but I can’t drive it? Don’t draft Yi, get Horford!!!

By travis

June 25, 2007 7:02 AM | Link to this

On Bodog.com they think that Horford will be the 3rd pick with odds 1 to .29, Conley is 1 to 2.5, B.Wright is 1 to 5 and the field (Yi) is 1 to 4.5. If y’all are so sure that the Hawks should take Yi, put your money where your mouth is. You can make a killing. Vegas seems to think that the Hawks are going with Horford. These bookies know folks, who know folks, who know folks…I am gettin’ used to the Horford idea. I am very curious about Yi, though

By Edo River

June 25, 2007 6:54 AM | Link to this

“sensei” ahead, or leading in life; therefore meaning “teacher”. Hakeem can show the way, I’m sure.

“sen” and “sei” are both very useful Chinese characters when used separately in other combinations. They help form alot of interesting and valuable words.

By billy

June 25, 2007 6:53 AM | Link to this

I like either of these options:

1. Take Hoford or Yi with the 3rd pick. Trade Zaza and #11 for Marcus Camby (might have to include one of our PGs to make the numbers work). Then pick up a true PG somewhere/somehow (Luke Ridnour?).

2. Same as above but instead of trading Zaza and #11 for Camby send Denver Marvin Williams for Camby and take Hawes or Crittenton with the 11th pick. (I’m assuming Noah is long gone.)

With Horford at #3 we go with a starting lineup of:

PG - Ridnour SG - JJ SF - Josh Smith PF - Horford C - Camby

If we take Yi I’d put him at SF and Josh Smith at PF.

With option 1 we have Marvin, Childress, AJ, Salim, Shelden, etc. on the bench.

With option 2 we have Hawes/Crittenton, Zaza, Childress, AJ, Shelden on the bench.

By fred b.

June 25, 2007 3:50 AM | Link to this

Informative as always Sekou. Great to hear Josh has taken it upon himself to further develop his game under the watchful eye of Olajuwon. Can’t wait for draft night although i’m not sure who we should take with picks 3 & 11. Here’s to hoping this isn’t another one of those head scratching drafts. It’ll be soo nice to actually talk ‘bout how the new guys will be incorporated into the dynamics of the team as opposed to blogging deep into Fri mornin’ how BK screwed up again. By the way sweet new uniforms!!!!

By Alex

June 25, 2007 3:05 AM | Link to this

Great stuff again! You can’t blame any of us for being so anxious about the Draft… Hell, I think that we all feel that the Hawks are one or two steps away from becoming a real force in the East… With all the talent, plus picks and cap space=FA’s. It’s good to know that young players that we drafted are serious about developing their individual games, that will eventually translate into team success.

By OddJob

June 25, 2007 2:52 AM | Link to this

Sekou please oh please refrain from using the word hater or hatin,etc.I had all of that nonsense I care for in this life reading Falcons blogs.I’m guessing Horford and Law will be the picks based on their being NBA ready(I think I’ll throw up).I wish the picks would be for their long-term ability to contribute but with the pressure to get it right even if it’s wrong that won’t likely happen….I have a buddy living in Spain who I saw over the weekend.He went on about Rudy Fernandez a sg from there.He thinks he’ll be a big time offensive player.After watching some video I can see what he likes.The guy is a very interesting player and I recommend you check him out.ps he’s projected to go from 17 to 25 or so.

By lost in space

June 25, 2007 2:02 AM | Link to this

thanks for the update Sekou, all of us have been wondering what the rest of the hawks have been doing in the offseason to step up their game. Now i’m quite curious to see what Josh is able to incorporate into his game from learning with the Dream. If he could develop a low post game it would do wonders for the hawks. Will there be anything new on Marvin and Shelden?