Hawks

By Ernest

January 9, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Yesterday’s suggested deal was much better because it helped fill an area of need in the paint. Anthony Johnson has already had a tour of duty hear though he does have a championship ring since that time. Wally duplicates a position in which we have an abundance of players.

As indicated yesterday, the change of scenery might work well for Haywood. Let’s make that deal!

By tb

January 9, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

How about this one

Atlanta

Zaza Pachulia / Tyronn Lue / 2007 ATL second / Salim / Lo Wright /Childress

for

Kristic / Marcus Williams / 2007 Portland first

New Jersey

Kristic / Marcus Williams

for

Zaza Pachulia / Magloire / Lue / 2007 ATL second

Portland

Magloire / 2007 first

for

Childress / Stoudamire / Lo Wright

We get a very good young C and PG and a likely top 10 pick, we lose a lot this year without C/PF and Lue, keep our top three pick and look at

Draft picks: #2, #10 and #18

Speedy/Marcus Williams/

JJ/

Marvin/

Smoove/Shelden

Kristic/Jones

I can think of so many possibilities from here

By Dan

January 9, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

I don’t understand what you guys see in Salim. Sure, he has his moments where he is shooting well. However, he is not as good this season as he was last. He continually misses open shots and rarely provides much on D. Losing him would not really bother me.

Batista may be “feared”, but he never plays. His most famous play happened in practice when he hurt Ty Lue’s eye last season. If he leaves, no one here will notice.

I like the idea of trading Salim and Batista for Haywood and Hayes. I would do that move right now, if it were presented. Hayes is a good shooter and Haywood would be a big help down low. I guess, Lorenzen Wright would be lost. I have no problem with that either. I think he was a bad pick up, anyway. If all you can say is “he is a good influence in the locker room”, that says it all. He has not produced like he should and the Hawks players are already good guys. They don’t need the “locker room” presence. They need ball players.

I betting they do nothing again, though. They love to talk about their cap space. They will not give it up.

By Astro Joe

January 9, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

I like the trade for Anthony Johnson because he is a leader and a very tough defender. If contending teams are truly interested in Lue, then acquiring AJ would allow us to trade Lue for some other assets. I don’t like the Wally idea (of course, I’d rather have Delonte West from the Celtics). And after re-considering yesterday’s rumor, go ahead and get me Haywood and Hayes. While they are not answers to our problems, they are upgrades over what we have now. And any incremental improvement is better than nothing.

By vdunkndunk

January 9, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

I like the Haywood trade a lot more than the trades suggested in today’s blog.

The Wally Sczerbiak deal in particular doesn’t make any sense to me, unless the Hawks just feel we are DESPERATE for a veteran number 2 scorer and Wally is the best one we can get.

That may be, but man…he doesn’t defend, and I thought he had a huge contract with a lot of years on it. If the contract is expiring, then maybe so…but I don’t know. The only thing attractive about that deal is scoring and the fact that we’re getting an OK player in exchange for a bunch of guys who can’t play…and maybe the deal would strengthen our bench and give us a bit more of a veteran feel:

Speedy Claxton Joe Johnson Wally Scerzbiak Josh Smith Zaza Pachulia

Bench: Lue, Chill, Marv, Shelden, Solo

I guess after thinking this through it wouldn’t be the worst deal in the world. We would become better on offense and shooting, but we would also become less athletic and a little worse defensively. And we wouldn’t have nearly as much cap flexibility.

By ConyersDawg

January 9, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

tb, we are already the youngest team in the league. We need veterans with leadership who can contribute.

Any veteran for Salim and batista would be an upgrade.

By Mark

January 9, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Mavs wouldn’t be interested in that deal as they brought Johnson in because he is a veteran that can play some defense. Plus, he’s best in a halfcourt game which the playoffs really become as they go along.

By war eagle

January 9, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

How about this trade-send the Hawks to Kansas City and apply for an expansion team.

By Jofre

January 9, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

money works, but Wally or AJ are not the pieces that Atlanta needs. Surely they will need a paint scorer and a more playmaker guy than the present guards in roster.

By honest_abe

January 9, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

the hawks need a big man. not another combo guard or a sg… they need some help with post defense. period. the hawks have trouble rebounding and defending in the paint… trade idea’s that don’t help alleviate this glaring problem are pointless.

By Big Mike

January 9, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Guys I just dont get it. Trading Salim is the last thing i would do . teams are drooling at the mouth waiting for that dumba$# BILLY KNIGHT to get rid him one of our most underated players for washed up never proven players. How do you know what he can do if you never play him. The day we trade Salim is the day he blows up and become one of the best three point shooters in the league.(remember that 24 point 4th quarter in N.O. LAST YEAR)Lets not forget we went our last three years without getting a point guard or center. but getting salim was the only need we fulfilled(a sharp shooter off the bench)Mike Woodson just haven’t used him. i mean Royal Ivey is garbage and i don’t see them trying to trade him or cut him. now this is what you do trade Ivey, and lo wright for a KLYE LOWRY OR A DEE BROWN THEN SAVE THE REST TO DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO GET ODEN…..

By reese

January 9, 2007 01:16 PM | Link to this

No to Anthony Johnson and No to Wally what his name is. Definitely No to Raef Lafrentz or

Also, bringing Anthony Johnson or Joel Przybilla back to the Hawks is the same as bring Lorenzen Wright Back to the hawks. They didn’t work before, what makes you think that is going to work now.

If you want to bring someone back to the hawks, bring back Jason Terry or Rasheed Wallace. You know, difference makers.

My vision of the hawks until I hear some better trade rumors are

Starter Backup Speedy Penny Hardaway JJ Hayes Josh Smith Marvin or childress Zaza Shelden Haywood Jones

That leaves T Lue and Royal. It provides a balance roster of size, youth and veterans. Use Childress or Marvin to acquire another Center. If necessary, send Solomon Jones to the DLeague so that he can play every day. Bring him up occasionally to see how he is progressing.

By Wedgie Evans

January 9, 2007 01:33 PM | Link to this

The Szczerbiak trade is awful, period. There is no reason for the Hawks to be trading for 2’s and 3’s right now. The Anthony Johnson trade is okay — at the very least AJ has more experience and should be more consistent than Claxton or Lue, but does he really provide that much of an upgrade? I would say no. And I don’t know why a championship contender like Dallas would give up a guy like AJ for a streaky shooter with relatively poor shot selection like Salim Stoudamire.

I have always felt Salim would fit better on a good defensive team like the Spurs, where his defensive deficiencies would be masked by the players around him and where he could come in for about 20 minutes a game and focus on providing instant offense. I don’t think Dallas is a team that would trade for him, since they already have plenty of offensive firepower.

And regardless, the Hawks have plenty of decent-to-mediocre players, why would they trade for another one? And the Hawks have plenty of players occupying the 1-3 positions — what they really need is a post presence on both ends of the floor. The only star on the Hawks is Joe Johnson — Josh Smith has the talent but hasn’t shown yet that he can be more than a 3rd scoring option. What the Hawks really need to do is try to package 2 or 3 or their young players in a deal for another proven star, like Pau Gasol.

Here’s a trade the Hawks could try to make — go to www.realgm.com, and type in 3582474 in the Trade Checker ID box.

Hawks get: Pau Gasol

Grizzlies get: Salim Stoudamire, Zaza Pachulia, Marvin Williams, Esteban Batista (and maybe a draft pick or two, those don’t affect the salary cap when they are traded).

This allows the Hawks to keep Josh Smith, Josh Childress, Solomon Jones, and Shelden Williams (all good defensive players) while building a team around 2 legitimate stars in Joe Johnson and Pau Gasol — one perimeter threat, one post threat. The Grizzlies have done basically nothing building a team around Gasol — this gives them a chance to add some more young players to accelerate their rebuilding, and Marvin Williams was more highly regarded at draft time than any of the Grizzlies’ young players like Hakim Warrick, Kyle Lowry, or even Rudy Gay. Although Gasol hasn’t had a lot of winning seasons as Memphis’ centerpiece, he has also never had a teammate as good as Joe Johnson, so the tandem would probably do better in the playoffs (especially in the Eastern Conference).

Most importantly, it works under the cap. Hey Billy Knight, time to pick up the phone.

By ray

January 9, 2007 01:36 PM | Link to this

I say either the Washington trade or the Dallas trade.

Of course, most of this depends on the desired result. Is this done to try and win some games, i.e. salveage the season? Or are we looking at longer term plans?

Getting Wally from Boston seems to make the least amount of sense…unless somebody is already planning on making him our 3 and trading away probably TWO of our young forwards for a greater player. And the technical details of that are probably a bit thick, not to mention the gamble is likely high. But you never know what could await there. Something tells me that this could be an idea, but Wally might cost too much for it to work.

For the 3,000th time. If we’re talking to Boston, it needs to be about one of their POINT GUARDS. Or maybe one of their big guys, depending on the nature of the deal.

Some of us say Haywood is lazy and soft. Ahem. Whether you think so or not, this guy is competing for a starting job, something NONE of our guys even mentioned in the same breath as the word CENTER is doing. Outside of ZaZa, who has the job. Not a bash on Zaza, but who else on the roster can do the job? I’ll take Haywood over Wright any day. This guy is inconsistent, but he’s getting double doubles and blocking shots! He’s not the low post savior, but he’s a clear upgrade/bolster to that position. We have Zaza and Wright. I’d rather have Zaza and Haywood. Hayes, if healthy, is more dangerous a shooter than most on our roster. He’s another piece, a guy you can add to the bench. That allows the trade possibilities of some of our young cats IF AND ONLY IF THERE IS SOMETHING OF GREAT VALUE THAT CAN BE HAD.

The trade scenario with Anthony Johson is enticing in some ways. We know he’s tough and can direct a fast, high-powered offense. We need that. Why? Because we still don’t know how durable Speedy is. He’s been playing so well of late, I’d hate to see him come out of the starter’s spot, but as others have pointed out: he’s been a back-up his whole career. He should have no problems going back if Johnson were to come here and start. I’d hate to see Lue go too, but once again, if he can be packaged with other assets for a great value, then you do as you must.

By Wedgie Evans

January 9, 2007 01:37 PM | Link to this

And say what you want about the Hawks’ roster, but you can’t deny that with the possible exception of Speedy Claxton, the Hawks have managed to steer clear of bad contracts, which often plague teams who are trying to get back to the playoffs. Brendan Haywood is guaranteed 3 more years after this one at salaries approaching the mid-level exception, which in my opinion is way too much for a soft center who has to be benched to be motivated. For all of Zaza’s faults, at least he gives 110% every game. Zaza is a similar kind of player getting paid less and producing more — what is the incentive to trade for Haywood? Etan Thomas, I can understand (even though his contract is also somewhat ridiculous). Haywood? Absolutely not.

By Mr Myogi

January 9, 2007 02:34 PM | Link to this

All Of Yall are CRAZY!!!!! The Hawks don’t Trade to when NOW, We trade for the Future. I’m Still waiting on that day to get here. We’ve had Rasheed Wallace, Gary Payton, Stephen Jackson, Antoine Walker, and Al Harrington….etc. What is Knight waiting on? How about TRADE KNIGHT!!!!!

By Ricardo

January 9, 2007 02:38 PM | Link to this

Wedgie -

I like that trade idea with Memphis - both teams would get what they need.

I don’t think it would happen - I’ve read that w/possible ownership changes in Memphis, they don’t want to trade the one star on the roster and make their fans any more angry.

Besides, Billy Knight would probably kill it in order to trade some draft picks for a few more 2s and 3s. What a clown.

By tb

January 9, 2007 02:44 PM | Link to this

Hey Wedgie,

Gasol is my #1 preference in a trade senario. I also agree that you surround JJ and Gasol players like Smoove, Sheldon and Chil and things can start looking pretty good.

I am intrigued by the NJ situation, could they bite on something because of their C situation and let Kristic and/or Marcus Williams go. They are a playoff team that really needs to make a roster move.

I would also look into moving Zaza if there’s a run on BIGS towards the deadline. I’m not saying dump him, I’m saying get the better of the deal on a playoff team that just has to have another big

By tb

January 9, 2007 02:58 PM | Link to this

Quick follow up on that last post;

We would have to get a bigger big in the deal. And young or Gasol would do.

By newkid

January 9, 2007 03:06 PM | Link to this

To those of you who think Haywood’s $4.5 million modest contract is excessive, check out what Nene’s getting; check out what Dalembert is getting; and I could go on forever with real ‘excessive’ amounts being paid to post players. But that’s the market, and in that market for big men Haywood’s salary and duration are steals.

I understand Mr. Blank actually reads Falcons blogs and actually gives credence to some of what he reads. Hmmm, wonder if the Spirit read Hawks blogs?

Mr. Blank if you check in here on the Hawks blog from time to time, thanks for your demonstrated commitment to putting a quality product on the field. Kudos to you for recognizing - then fixing - the need for a ‘new beginning’ in your coahing staff. Oh, and one other thing; PLEASE try and purchase the Hawks from the Atlanta Spirit.

By big m

January 9, 2007 03:23 PM | Link to this

Yesterday’s trade better if Haywood is good enough to be a starting NBA center. He is owed over $5 million/year average over next 4 years. I would try to get a draft pick to move up in draft to get a point guard.

By Rev. M.M

January 9, 2007 03:23 PM | Link to this

THE HAWKS DO NOT NEED TO TRADE ANYONE. THEY HAVE ALL THE PIECES IN PLACE. THEY JUST NEED TO CHANGE THERE STYLE OF PLAY. THEN EVERYONE WILL WANT TO BE A HAWK’S FAN!!!!! GO HAWKS!!!

By tp

January 9, 2007 04:01 PM | Link to this

If you people think you’re getting Haywood and Hayes for Magliore, then you really need to re-consider. Sorry Atlanta, not happening.

tp from dc.

By Astro Joe

January 9, 2007 04:08 PM | Link to this

Thank you * Rev. M.M.* but thou knowest not what thou sayest.

Anyone else interested in signing Stevie Francis if he gets bought out of his deal? How about C-Web? We could probably sign either one to a very modest contract. I’d be more intrigued by Francis, assuming that he could pass a physical.

By Andrew

January 9, 2007 04:14 PM | Link to this

Why would Portland want any of that? Other than losing a big financial asset that could garner much better prospects, what would the Blazer’s gain by picking up Atlanta’s garbage. Sorry Salim, but we’ve got enough young guys that are having trouble shooting. We don’t need more.

Why don’t we trade Zach Randolph for…I don’t know, what other crap does Atlanta have? The point is, if it’s going to be a legit rumor, at least make it paleteable for all the teams involved.

Here’s a good trade, Kobe and Lamar Odem for Darius Miles and Raef LaFrentz. We’ll need to have another team involved to make the trade work, so let’s include Jason Collins and Jeff McInnis, and Chris Webber to make the salaries match and Voila! It makes sense to me. My team get’s All-Stars. Screw the rest of the teams that didn’t get squat.

I mean come on. The desperation by the media to post something spectacular is pretty rampant.

I expect to see the above Trade rumor to circulate through the media. Boy, I’m almost stoked now.

Good luck trying to make your trade work.

By MJ

January 9, 2007 04:25 PM | Link to this

The Hawks are bad, really, really bad. No trade can help them, unless another team stupidly wants to give up Kobe, D Wade, LBJ, Agent Zero (Gilbert Arenas) or someone to that effect. Since thats not going to happen 19 wins tops this season.

By HipHopTalkShow

January 9, 2007 05:14 PM | Link to this

Go for Earl Barron young 7’. Scouts loved him in summer leagues. Does play much in Miami because of Shaq, Zo & Doleac. Salary is $744,551. Deal Batista w/cash.

By Bertie

January 9, 2007 05:26 PM | Link to this

Anthony Johnson is being shopped by the Mavs because the team wants to give his minutes to Jose Juan Barea in order to make Barea their 3rd point guard. But I like your first trade with the Wizards the best so far. It gives us a chance to fill the middle with Hayword and help Zaza without sacrificing cap space and the flexibility to keep making deals through the trade deadline.

By cowa

January 9, 2007 05:36 PM | Link to this

I don’t like the Wally Szczerbiak deal at all. It does nothing to help the team in the long run, except for making sure we don’t get a good lottery pick or make the playoffs. I don’t like the Anthony Johnson deal either, as I don’t see an upgrade at the PG to the extent we need. Plus, he’s 33! That’s not what we need.

The Kristic deal is intriguing, but there’s no way they deal both Kristic and Williams. That’s their future, and they’re cheap. Plus, making salaries work with NJ is a nightmare. To trade them Zaza, Atlanta would have to take back Jason Collins. I don’t think BK is willing to do that.

At this point, the Haywood/Hayes deal is the best on the cyberspace table. They still need to pick up a few more pieces though. One guy I would look into is Guillermo Diaz. Picked in the 2nd round, but never signed. He’s in the Speedy mold, but a better offensive player / weaker defensive player. Nice player to potentially groom. If Francis is bought out, you go for him (as I’ve said before). He is the offensive weapon that JJ needs as a counter. You’d then trade Lue away for a pick, and suddenly there may be hope on the horizon.

By Bertie

January 9, 2007 06:06 PM | Link to this

COWA, I like your Guillermo Díaz idea but I don’t think he is a free agent. Last I heard he was going to play in Europe under some kind of financial arrangement involiving the Clippers that allowed the team to still own the rights to the player.

By 1 + 2 = 4

January 9, 2007 06:39 PM | Link to this

I personally like the Knight, Woodson, and 2 of our 10 forwards to the Bobcats for their 2nd round draft choices in this year and next years draft.

By Chris

January 9, 2007 06:44 PM | Link to this

The Hawks certainly can’t do much worse than their trades of the past several years. Every year it seems the Hawks trade their best players and get nothing in return claiming they’re trying to clear up salary cap space. Then they never make use of that salary cap space. That method leads to the type of seasons the Hawks have been having every since they started those brilliant plans.

By kaiser

January 9, 2007 06:51 PM | Link to this

Trade for Kobe.

By Dbell

January 9, 2007 08:11 PM | Link to this

Big Mike you are the only one that has it right.. Why would you want to get rid of him? He is going to blow up in your face on another team, I gaurentee it!!

His offensive game is Priceless, He has bad shot slection this year because your coach is the guy u need to trade He suck. He has is head in the wrong spot.He should ge fired.

As for salim, he will fit well in the West, his style game and for the lack of defense that is played in the west, Salim will Kill it.. If you dont gaurd him , forget about it, he will put up 40 if he gets the minutes..

I hope he gets traded as a Arizona Alumnus, I want to see him in the right system with the right coach! Best of luck to the Hawks.

By jlewis

January 9, 2007 08:57 PM | Link to this

Sekou:

I know you love Speedy Claxton, BUT, this team has looked worse with him running the point, Joe Johnson’s numbers have been down significantly, shouldn’t there be an edict from Mike Woodson to get Joe the ball, Speedy doesn’t even look for the guy. I understand now why he was a career back up. What are Joe’s numbers since Speedy has been running the team?

By JohnGTFan

January 9, 2007 09:08 PM | Link to this

You know, after this “performance” tonight, it HAS TO BE TIME to say good-bye to Woodson. Come on. 49 points with only 7:50 to play in the game. What an embarassment! He needs to go and a trade has to be done. This is sickening.

By JohnGTFan

January 9, 2007 09:17 PM | Link to this

LOL 29% 29% Incredibly, that’s what they’re shooting… 29%

By Astro Joe

January 9, 2007 09:20 PM | Link to this

HORRIFIC LOSS

By Bama Fan

January 9, 2007 09:46 PM | Link to this

Al Harrington is laughing it up right now!

By Clyde

January 9, 2007 09:58 PM | Link to this

Another game another a** whippin’.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By bigdaddyJ

January 9, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this

How about this trade? Mike Woodson and Billy Knight for nobody and we throw in any dollar amount needed to get them the heck out of here. How much longer do we have to put up with the excuses (injuries, too young, the dog ate my homework, etc.) This is THE worst franchise in sports right now and that says a lot as there are some pretty bad ones out there. It is so bad I will trade them for Isiah Thomas (Knicks) and Matt Millen (Lions)!

By Clyde

January 9, 2007 10:19 PM | Link to this

LORENZEN WRIGHT ONCE AGAIN HAD MORE FOULS THAN POINTS.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By Richie Rich

January 9, 2007 10:35 PM | Link to this

Everybody on this team except for Joe Johnson should be available for a trade.

This is pathetic!

We have the youngest team in the league, and with about 4 minutes left in the game we had 0 fast break pts!! We finished with only 6. Why don’t we try a different game plan, instead of this walk it up the court s**!!

By reese

January 9, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this

I know, I know, Joe had the flu, Tyronne Lue has to get into game shape and Josh Smith is injured.

Did anyone else notice that 6 of our draft picks from the past 3 years scored a combined 31 points and grabbed 22 rebounds. Looks the line scrore of Dwight Howard on a good night.

To all the General Managers who are looking to trade for Lorenzen Wright. He had an excellent game tonight. He had 8 rebounds, played 27 minutes, committed hard fouls, blocked 2 shots, 1 steal, 1 assist and only turned the ball over 1 time. With numbers like that, I don’t think that we want him to go. Besides, he is a excellent presence in the locker room and that is more important than any other measureable stat. However, if you offer us something we’ll think about it.

By Clyde

January 9, 2007 10:53 PM | Link to this

JUST LIKE RICH SAID EVERYBODY EXCEPT JJ SHOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR TRADE. WE WOULD BE BETTER DUMPING CONTRACTS AGAIN AND REBUILDING. THIS TEAM HAS NO HEART WHATSOEVER.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By CLS

January 9, 2007 11:12 PM | Link to this

That was the most digusting display of basketball I have ever seen!

What are these guys doing??!!! I just can’t understand this level of play from so called professional players!!!

I know we just don’t have enough talent on this team… it’s becoming more and more clear every game. We are simply outmatched everynight.

But I just don’t get the sense that these guys even have a gameplan!! If they showed even the slightest sign that they get it, I could live with the losses. But it’s the way they’re losing with absolutely no direction…I can’t help but bring it back to Woodson.

Tonight he sits back and lets his team be humiliated without any adjustment to what was going on out there. Joe Johnson was sick, and I know he wanted to tough it out, but the guy was hurting us tonight… yet Woodson left him out there getting burned by Harrington everytime down court.

With JJ not getting it done, we were desperate for offense. But does Woodson adjust?? No, he continues to sit his most offensive minded players basically the whole night. Salim doesn’t touch the floor the entire 2nd half. Hey, he might take some ill-advised shots, but I say if you’re gonna go down, go down blazin’!!! It’s better than sticking with the same guys who obviously aren’t getting it done.

And Dijon Thompson… it’s obvious this guy is a scorer. He was lighting it up in the NBDL. That’s the reason he got the attention of the Hawks in the first place! Then let him play!!! He couldn’t have done any worse than we did anyway. Like I said, go down blazin!

By cowa

January 9, 2007 11:22 PM | Link to this

Bertie, Diaz just announced he’s not going back to Europe, and the Clips decided not to sign him. He should be pretty easy to obtain.

All right, it’s now time to commit blasphemy on this blog. All everyone has been saying is everyone should be available except for JJ, Josh, Josh and Marvin. Lately, it has been down to JJ and Jsmoove. Now today, it is all the way down to keep JJ and trade anyone else. My question is if we are going to trade everyone else and give up on building for the future, why not get the biggest bang for the buck and offer up JJ. What do you think we could get? For starters, Boston is dying to get another star to pair with Pierce. I know JJ came from there originally, but we would love to get Gasol back, so why wouldn’t Boston love to get JJ back? They could throw out Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff and their #1 pick (top 3 protected in 07, no protection in 08). Boston would probably throw in Rondo or Telfair if we desired. No West, no Allen, no Jefferson, and no Perkins.

I know already that there is no way BK will trade JJ. I know this, so don’t go blasting me for it. It was just to throw something out there to see what people could come up with.

By ray

January 9, 2007 11:52 PM | Link to this

Well, the trade stuff did bring us a few moments of rest…and then we lose like crazy to Indy.

If a trade is done, will we really get players that will help? How much will they help? Will it take all year to get it done (Billy’s typical timetables)?

Maybe I better shut up before the blog/critic police show up again and denounce me for being dissatisfied with things. After all, it’s only the injuries that are the problem.

By Busted and disgusted

January 10, 2007 12:40 AM | Link to this

Well, since we are talking trades…Is there anything out there that I can TRADE my season tickets in for? Section 218 r B, 2 seats. I purchased the ‘Nique special to see Lebron, Wade, Kobe and the other exciting teams in the league. I am done with the HAWKS sorry a$$. The organization sucks, the gm sucks, the coaches suck. I am done with the hawks

By CJ

January 10, 2007 01:13 AM | Link to this

I have 0 confidence in BK’s ability to administer a productive trade. For the past 3 season we’ve talked about this and that trade and BK has managed to do nothing but make the worst trade possible…in Al’s case…no trade, more like a money exchange. This team is finished as long as the Spirit and crew try to do everything on the cheap. And yes, I say trade everyone. JJ is having his prime withered away with all this losing. These players have been ruined by this franchise’s toxic amotsphere. They would’ve gotten the same result with a team of scrubs and free agents if they weren’t willing to spend major money on getting players.

By tb

January 10, 2007 02:41 AM | Link to this

Woodson is not a good coach

The Hawks are very young

They are very injured

They are still over-matched in every game

and everyone acts like their supprised when things go bad

Ando was calling for a dumping a long time ago. At this point it is the smart thing to do. The tradde deadline is coming up and we have some attractive players; Lue, Wright…Zaza and even possibly one of the Josh’s or Marvin

A key trade now that can get us a bright young PG or C and we keep the top three pick and the rest is just a matter of learning and gaining more experience

By dap

January 10, 2007 07:37 AM | Link to this

Seeing Thompson take a couple of shots made me realize something that I had forgotten: There are some FORWARDS who can actually shoot and play basketball.

By Willie Coyote

January 10, 2007 07:54 AM | Link to this

This team absolutely sucks on offense and the defensive boards. Everyone who says that they like Zaza’s jump shot (I’ve read several posts on past blogs saying as much) need to pay f** attention to the games. He misses too many wide open shots and therefore the other team’s center is content to give up that shot so he can clog up the middle. Therefore when Joe or Marvin or whoever drive, there are very few clean looks. Plus Zaza is completely unathletic and can’t shoot over people. If his guy doesn’t go for his pump fakes, he’s in trouble.

Lorenzen is about as useless as Freije (however you spell that).

By pete

January 10, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

I say we trade Woodson and Knight. I know no one would want them, but it never hurts to ask. They have to be the worst coach/GM combo ever. Knight has put together a roster with very little talent and Woodson doesn’t have a clue how to use what little talent he has to work with. A team with Joe Johnson and 4 high school kids should have more than 10 wins right now. Everyone has injuries. Houston hasn’t has McGrady and Yow together all year and keeps winning with suspect talent around them.

By pete

January 10, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

I say we trade Woodson and Knight. I know no one would want them, but it never hurts to ask. They have to be the worst coach/GM combo ever. Knight has put together a roster with very little talent and Woodson doesn’t have a clue how to use what little talent he has to work with. A team with Joe Johnson and 4 high school kids should have more than 10 wins right now. Everyone has injuries. Houston hasn’t has McGrady and Yow together all year and keeps winning with suspect talent around them.

By Tim

January 10, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

This is just a thought. But, Sekou, why wouldn’t the Hawks go after this? text to be linked Nothing really to lose here. It’s not like Penny’s a me-first head case like some of the other Hawks experiments that haven’t worked out. We can work out Medvedenko but not Penny?

By Chris D'

January 10, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Can we trade Woody and Knightmare for a time machine and go back to last summer and sign Melvin Ely when he was a free agent and draft Marcus Williams??

Sekou please continue with the trade rumors so that we can have an alternative to reality.

By George Bush

January 10, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Sign 10 more guys to the HAWKS roster and keep them for 3 months to stabilize the situation. Release them in an orderly manner and stability will be restored.

By William

January 10, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

Last night showed what was wrong with the Hawks.

People, listen. Batista outperforms lorenzen wright. But Lo gets the minutes. In the first half when Harrington was shut down, Solomon Jones was defending him. So what does Woodson do….put Joe Johnson on him in the second half, and not play Solomon. Dijon Thompson comes in and plays some damn good defense and we all know the guy can score. Yeah…lets sit him on the bench. Marvin had a bad night, but hey those will be there. Josh Childress played well enough. But once again, they ran NO offensive sets. how hard is it to write up a play when you KNOW a double is coming to Joe and you KNOW where it is coming from.

Salim gets no PT in the second half at all, after making a jumper or two and some good drive and kicks in the first half.

I think that this teams problem is that they HAVE to be losing confidence in their coach. They have guys that are clearly outplaying others and they get no playing time. They have no offensive identity and the best offensive “plays” are when guys improvise. Its just time for a new coaching staff. Really…its time. I don’t care if Larry’s brother takes over, just give it to anyone who is not what we have now.

By DLeague

January 10, 2007 01:21 PM | Link to this

Bottom line: If it’s good for the Hawks and any deal makes sense to do; it won’t get done. There is a reason this team is in the shape that it’s in. Front office. If they don’t re-sign Smith, Childress and Marvin it would mean that they were bad draft choices, and the Front Office won’t stand for that. Look for all three to go after the max, which means this team, due to bad draft choices and trades (who did we get for Harrington?) will be a sorry team for years to come. And that sucks.

By X Fan

January 10, 2007 01:26 PM | Link to this

Let me see here, Slava had back surgery and was out of the NBA. So the Hawks sign him, not for 10 days, but for the entire year! And he has only played in one game, why? Because of a bad back! How hard are he and his agent laughing? Team gets waxed up in Indy, Slave kicking back with a Stoli at home, “What a country!” What a bad front office.

By newkid

January 10, 2007 01:28 PM | Link to this

I hesitate to mention this because it panders to rumor mongering, but here goes. Had a conversation last week with someone who works for the Spirit organization (not at the executive level). Dude indicated that from some of the rumblings he’s hearing within the org, Woody isn’t likely to be here much longer. Nothing about BK though.

By Vava

January 10, 2007 04:25 PM | Link to this

Make no deals. The talent pool is OK.

Basketball is a team sport where individualities accomplish zero.

Be patient until the end of the season and then, eventually fire Woody if the team doesn’t look competitive by then.

By Steve Brown

January 11, 2007 04:58 PM | Link to this

It doesn’t really matter, the NBA is dying!

By Hawks Fan

January 23, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

ahwks have good players, most of them at least. The coach and the management need to be fired asap. how many more years of excuses are we supposed to hear. His coaching style is very poor and it is easily noticable for anyone who ever played basketball. He has no leader on the team and he has a negative attitude all the time. Josh Smith needs to be traded as well for his horrible attitude. He dunks, blocks, but his man scores 20 points. Zaza who started this season as a star is not getting any minutes lately because of the woodson does not like hium to shoot. Center that can shoot is a blessing for any team that wants to win. Woodson will bring in Stoudamire who was injured for a long time and will let him take the shots and will not let Zaza play. This is the mentality that caused US basketball failure in international competitions. Strategy winds the games not the show of dunking and blocking. Bottom line Woodson needs to get fired ASAP eventhough he is good friends with Hawk’s management that needs to be fired as well.

By old timer

January 23, 2007 02:22 PM | Link to this

This team needs to fire Mike Woodson, trade one of too many forwards, even if this means getting read of Shelden Williams or Josh Smith ( I agree with one of the earlier posts - Josh has a wrong basketball attitude, sometimes highschool to NBA transition gives people big heads)and build the team around Joe, Josh Childress, and Zaza. Bring in a stable guard with experience and some veteran that can be a team leader even if he is not the best player.