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Keeping it real matters

I don’t know about you, but it recently realized that I spend the majority of my time reading. Newspapers (hard copies and on the Web), magazines, books, instructions — you name it and I’m reading it.

Sometimes it’s work-related and often times it’s not. Sometimes, though, I’ll come across something profound during my leisurely reading that addresses an issue that is work-related.

Sunday night was one of those times.

I was reading a story about an entertainer whom the author said takes himself so seriously that it, “borders on the absurd.”

I loved the way that sounded. As I often do when I’m reading something that sparks a different train of thought, I either underline it or write it down for later reference. I wouldn’t normally share this on the blog but the comment about such a guy seems appropriate when you read about all the turmoil currently eating teams alive in the NBA. For example:

*In Chicago, Ben Wallace and Scott Skiles are beefing over headbands, music in the locker room and other trivial things as the Bulls struggle to live up to their summer hype as the new bully on the block in the Eastern Conference.

*In Seattle, Sonics coach Bob Hill is taking shots at his bench crew while the bench crew is venting its frustrations right back, all of it being done through the three newspapers that regularly cover the team.

*In New York, Stephon Marbury’s story continues to unravel in the pages of the daily newspapers — his confusion about what his role is and what his coach wants from him being the latest issues taxing the Big Apple native.

*In Philadelphia, Chris Webber is upset with his diminishing role in the playing rotation. The local press, notorious for its ability to pan local stars, is having a field day making fun of him.

*In Boston, not a day goes by without some rumor about the Celtics dumping Doc Rivers as coach or the organization trading away half their roster for Kevin Garnett or Allen Iverson or whomever the superstar of the day might be.

It should come as no surprise that as of Monday morning these teams had a combined record of 25-44 (and not a single one of them is even close to .500).

My point is, some of the issues involved above, if taken too seriously, border on the absurd. The teams that learn how to live through all the personality quirks involved, particularly when you have so many oversized egos sharing the same work space, are the teams that eventually thrive. If not, they’ll self-destruct.

Follow me now.

If the Hawks wanted to, they could let this current rash of injuries and subsequent on-the-court struggles fracture the locker room and whatever sense of unity they’ve built up over the course of training camp. But they haven’t. And I commend them for holding it together without several crucial players available.

It sounds like nothing, I know. But think about how easy it would be to let something like this fester and eventually become the issue that serves to split your team and locker room in half. Petty players and coaches, in all sports, have allowed it to happen before.

The Denver Nuggets’ situation this season is an even better example, and Naismith knows the Nuggets had their issues last season with George Karl and Kenyon Martin, among others. But the Nuggets didn’t let an 0-3 start destroy their chemistry and turn their locker room upside down. They’ve rebounded and responded with some pretty good basketball.

It remains to be seen if the situations in Chicago, Seattle, New York, Philly and Boston will turn out that way. I’m just a believer, from way back, in a certain way of operating in a team environment. No matter what my individual wants and needs might be, nothing trumps the wants and needs of the team.

If we were talking about boxing or some other individual sport, I could understand the drama. But on a team, the foolishness can’t be allowed to continue if you have any chance of winning.

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By TonyG

November 27, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

WELL SAID! I hope the Hawks read this blog. Especially, for how young they all are, makes this even more impressive. Maybe that helps in a way. Kudos to Woodson for doing what he’s supposed to, keep his team together, focused, and play hard basketball every night. Keep it up and we’ll be in the playoffs for sure. Go Hawks!!

By mavid

November 27, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

all true

and at least the hawks players dont flick off the fans after tough losses

By doc

November 27, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

yeah sekou. the mad dogs came out this weekend to throw some illegitimate trash at our hawks after their loss to the magic. it was like a person showing up late to see a dog fight down in south georgia and they start yelling at the dog that is bleeding badly obviously over matched saying he has no heart. those that were sticking it to the home team when half of their lineup or specifically four of their top nine players are out for the game are the ones with little heart. it is fortunate that the team keeps working together with the adversity.

roll tide, it is real interesting how you really begin to salivate when someone gets fired or is about to. have you really sat down and looked at what that says about you, not the other guy? how can you enjoy someone elses misfortune so?

By doc

November 27, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

flash, just read your comments about diaw and my glee. just pointing out the obvious that he has gotten off to a very slow start. kind of every dog having his day after all the trash that went down last year, possibly over stating what diaw really is. he did have a big game last night and as a fan of the suns i am really pleased to see it and hope it continues. diaw is still yet to get a double double which he did with some regularity last year. all five starters with some big numbers last night for the suns, finally.

amare is doing it as the suns have rallied back from an atrocious start. he is the big man in the middle that they didnt have last year. diaw has a least pushed amare back to the center role it seems that he didnt want going into last year. the injury may actually put him where he belongs in the scheme of things. funny how those things work.

By John Battle

November 27, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

When keeping it real goes wrong… “Brenda had a simple choice to make, ignore the mild rudeness of someone hanging up on her, or KEEP IT RRREAL.”

By newkid

November 27, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this

‘Preciate the thoughts Sekou. Being somewhat of a recluse, I also find myself oft-times mired in what some around me term esoteric materials (usually totally unrelated to sports). The views out beyond the horizon can indeed by intriguing, can’t they?

The turmoil you so aptly described could present interesting possibilities for the Hawks if non-basketball related concerns (i.e., Belkin vs Spirit) here don’t divert attention from these opportunities. A few examples:

Celtics may decide that three points are too many, and look to move either Delonte West or Rondo. Is there a potential fit here for one or the other (oh, Speedy’s poor knees, or whatever is the injury de jure)? Seems apparent that Celtics have decided that that thing they call a roster is very poorly conceived; they’ll likely look to make big changes before long.

Celtics may decide Doc’s not the right coach for their future (either Doc or Danny seem certain to go SOON, don’t you think?). Has Doc undergone sufficient ‘training’ in Orlando and Boston to qualify as the coach to take the Hawks to the next level?

Would the Celtics be interested in a Salim & Smoove package for Rondo, cash, and one of their 1st round picks in ‘07 draft?

The T-Wolves are tanking, and the Lakers are salivating for KG. McHale is either out or will SOON begin rebuilding. Could there be an opportunity for a 3-team package that sends KG to LA, Odom to T-Wolves, Bynum to Atlanta, and Smoove and a conditional 1st in ‘08 to Timberwolves?

Hawks talent pool and very conservative payroll have placed Atlanta in a position to take advantage of probably more than a few of the opportunities that turmoil, slow development, bad conceived rosters, and parity are creating. Hope Billy is looking to be creative and opportunistic in pursuit of pieces that’ll get us to the next level.

Just thinking out loud.

By The Flash

November 27, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this

Doc, I thought we beat you down forever on that topic. No way Phoenix matches, none. If they matched, Colangelo the younger would never have gotten his job in Toronto. And, make no mistake, Colangelo got Stern to intervene on the side of the Spirit. Come on, Doc, you seen Godfather Part I; you think that they could fool a Coldeone with that little trick?

Just funnin, is all, doc; look, as Yogi used to say, ” 50% of the past is mostly behind us.”

Even if the coaches don’t, JJ has to make sure that he is not always the primary option each time down at crunch time.

BTW, help me out here guys; the guy I’m thinking of was out of Detroit, I think was supposed to play ball for U of Detroit (is there such a place), 6’9” with a great jumper, incredibly cut. Whom I thinking about here.

Samuel, I’d give the guy a shot. Definitely. His old man was a complete class act. The kid got way too much attention way too early; but the old man could bust it when it counted.

My guy Farmar is producing in limited minutes. I hate that we did not pick him. He has the size, athleticism, scoring and leadership abilities we need. That was a definite miss at 22, which I believe is where he went.

By newkid

November 27, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

BTW, sticking to my preseason 42 - 40 prediction, with Shellhead as Rookie of the Year.

By honest_abe

November 27, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this

how bout them dawgs? heh

newkid very intriguing ideas. before we all shoot speedy.. let’s all realize that it’s only been a month folks. and he hasn’t been 100%. i remember saying speedy sucked last year and i got killed on this blog. so obviously there are some speedy supporters on here. i think once this team gets back to being healthy, speedy will have a considerable impact on both ends of the floor. having said all that.. i’d like to ship him along with salim for RAYMOND who? FELTON! YEEEEEEAH!

and doc sensei that dog fight analogy was classic! lol

By doc

November 27, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this

flash, with your memory i thought you might have forgotten last year.

as honest says … heh, heh.

luv ya too bro, nothin but fun.

By doc

November 27, 2006 07:08 PM | Link to this

honest hoped to say bzzzz a bit today to you and ando but cmr came through or ball gave it away. so be it. my dog daughter was woofing me a bit saturday night on her way to the dorm from the game.

By tyger

November 27, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

Yes, at least the Hawks are a team. Although, from the body language I see, they arent working together in complete unison.

Moreover, I’m beginning to see cracks in JJ’s armour as well. Increasingly, he is turning the ball over, unforced.

His decision making is increasingly suspect and he’s forcing the action too much.

In some instances, he is right not to pass the ball to the perimeter to Jsmoove, but why not Salim?

Perhaps, he doesnt trust Salim or is he imposing his personal will upon the team and freezing Salim out?

Salim has stepped his overall game up!!And deserves JJ’s trust, he has earned it alongwith his minutes. His defense has been good and he’s a viable scoring option that we sorely need.

I’m dissapointed in the fact that Lo Wright nor Matt Frieje get more minutes. Woody railed earlier that minutes would be earned but these too are pulled and jerked more than HAndjobs privates.

Lorenzen gives us muscle that we did not have before. Teams can muscle and basically “chump” ZaZa but Lo doesnt have it, he is a Goon. And we need a Goon in the worse way. Let him play and use up his fouls. He sets a physical tone, which we’ve missed these past few games.

By Wedgie Evans

November 27, 2006 07:24 PM | Link to this

Trading for Raymond Felton would be nice, but how hard would it realistically be for the Hawks to enter the Kevin Garnett sweepstakes? Chances are in February Minnesota’s not going to be in contention, and the KG trade rumors are going to surface at some point. A lot of people think Chicago has a chance to get KG in a trade because of their young players and cap room, but why not Atlanta? The Hawks have plenty of young players, cap space, and one dynamic star already… if they offered for example Salim, Marvin Williams, Childress and a future 1st rounder would Minnesota bite? Keeping in mind that Marvin was considered by many scouts to be the best player from last year’s draft, I would think Minnesota would at least have to listen to an offer like that. Imagine a starting lineup of Speedy/Lue, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, KG and Zaza Pachulia, with Shelden and Solomon Jones coming off the bench… in the weak a$$ Eastern Conference it would probably make the Hawks instant NBA Finals contenders.

By HB Ando

November 27, 2006 07:37 PM | Link to this

Could it be, Sekou, that every one of those cities has some level of NBA pedigree that the Atlanta franchise lacks? Is it simply a case of far lower expectations here in the ATL? Let’s be honest, we live in a town where anything within sniffing distance of .500 is something to cheer about. Hawks’ fans are as downtrodden as any in the NBA, save Toronto, which doesn’t compete on a level playing field, and Charlotte, who’s only been in the league for a few years.

I haven’t dropped by because I don’t have much interest in kicking a dog when it’s down. Injuries are part of the game; but in the context of the Hawks, they are merely more fuel for the fire that this team is either cursed, snakebit, or simply doomed (maybe an amalgam of the three).

Can Josh Smith figure out a way to score, AND, do all the little things? Or must he do one or the other? I don’t know, when I was his age, I was just looking forward to drinking legally. Maybe we just aren’t being realistic in our expectations.

Flash, appreciate you representing the irrefutable Phoenix argument, once again, in light of Doc’s efforts to slide on by. I feel the satisfaction, as the Jedi Master, to your grasp of the Ando argument, so laboriously presented, over time. My teachings live on in my absence.

On another issue, someone, I forget who, though it may have been Astro, not to long ago opined that Childress faired quite well in comparison to the players drafted right after him. Suggested that he might have justified Billy’s decision. Hooey! His injury not withstanding, I have to take this position to task. To wit: Igoudala, over the last five games, is averaging 16 points, 8 boards and 5 dimes, with 3 steals and 1.5 3’s, and, with Iverson out the other night (who was it that made the ridiculous argument that he doesn’t limit the development of his young teammates?!) he posted a triple-double, to the tune of 18 points, 16 boards and 10 assists. Luol Deng, you say? Playing everything from the 2-4, and leading the Bulls in scoring, despite playing the same position as the teams’ fourth leading scorer, Nocioni. So, on the Bulls, Deng starts in front of a player who is arguably more productive than Marvin Williams. While Childress, prior to his injury, still wasn’t starting on the Hawks, despite the fact that Marvin Williams was injured, and never projects to start for this Hawks franchise, Deng and Igoudala continue to make their marks on the NBA.

For the coup de grace, I submit Biedrins, an athletic PF/C that Billy failed to draft, and then failed to seek out when dealing Al Harrington, despite his clear upside to folks as unknowledgeable as me, here on this blog, discussed at length this past summer. Biedrins, who is 6 months YOUNGER than the precocious Josh Smith, that we keep making excuses for, based on his youth, and a full 2 and one-half years younger than the “rookie” Shelden Williams, is, over his last 8 games, averaging 13.5 points, 12.5 rebounds, and 3 blocks, on 64% shooting. It’s not as if he was an unknown, as he was selected a mere 5 picks after Childress. Now, we have Shelden, chosen fifth overall, in what almost anyone would describe as a weaker draft than the ‘04 draft, and GS has Biedrins, who they took in with the 11th pick overall. For those of you who feel that Shelden, averaging 7 points, 7 boards and .45 blocks per game, despite being 2 and one-half years OLDER than Biedrins, selected 6 slots earlier, in a much WEAKER draft, represents a good decision by Billy, or a good use of the pick, by Atlanta, I ask only that you mail me a taste of what you’re smoking. And I look back to calls that I, as well as others, made this summer, for Billy to find a way to send Al to GS, where it was widely publicized that he was wanted, to work out a deal to bring a young, big man, with clear upside (at least to arm chair quarterbacks like me, though asking for these decisions before they’re made seem to refute the notion of second guessing), and I find myself feeling defeated. I’ve now spent years, both here and in conversation with other basketball fans, asking for certain choices to be made by this franchise’s front office, BEFORE HAND, only to watch the decisions Billy Knight has made pale in comparisons to the alternative choices laid out by laymen such as me.

If the regulars ever wonder where Ando is, he’s largely run out of any thoughts that diverge from what he’s been saying for over a year. He’s now just as sick of the repitition as you are. Every day brings reinforcement for long-standing opinions. Nothing that occurs with this team does anything to undermine things I’ve thought and said for going on several years. Being right doesn’t help this team a bit.

34 wins. A success? Only in the ATL.

Just keeping it real………….

By honest_abe

November 27, 2006 07:49 PM | Link to this

lol.. nice ando.

that’s one way of looking at it. do you really believe i am content or actually happy with the current state of the hawks team? no, but i see this team growing and improving right before my eyes. i firmly don’t believe this is the final stage of the rebuilding process. i take joy in every bit of success this hawks team can muster. so although this hawks team most likely won’t make the playoffs, i’ll be cheering like a giddy five year old every time the hawks squeeze out a win! i believe the stage is being set for long term success.

By Clyde

November 27, 2006 08:37 PM | Link to this

Doc stop the misfortune crap. If someone ain’t doing their job right they should be fired. Plus coaches get buy out money any so it ain’t that bad.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By CJ

November 27, 2006 10:17 PM | Link to this

don’t you guys get tired of making the same arguements over every year..i have..that’s why i only read the blog occasionally. You can apply the same timeframe and posts from last year to this one. At least it’s a way for fellow Hawks fans to gather. And the AJC should be riding this management so hard they feel the chafe marks on their backs….no more niceties. Williams - bust…Claxton(after all these years it seems it has caught up to him) - bust. The team will burn out before midseason due to all the lack of production.

By Astro Joe

November 27, 2006 10:44 PM | Link to this

Ando, of all the irritating things you write, the one thing that kills me is when you assume that any GM can talk another GM out of an asset. That and your refusal to accept that Harrington was traded for NON-basketball assets at the direction of BK’s bosses. Do you assume that unless you read it, that it doesn’t happen? Do you assume that unless you read that BK inquired about a player, that he never inquired about a player? Did you EVER read that Beidrins was being offered around the league? Are you saying that every other GM that needed a cheap center failed to acquire a guy who was as available as Paris Hilton? Did you not read Mullin’s quote that “if the Hawks are interested in a basketball move that they are interested in discussing Harrington”?

Childress plays 70-75% of most games. Why does he need to start? Deng is playing exceptionally well. But I think you’re picking the wrong time to challenge the Childress selection when he is clearly among the most valuable players on a team with a better record than the Bulls (or 76ers). And his value has been even more magnified during his absence.

If the best you can bring is that one GM should be able to force another GM to deal a cheap, 21 year-old center in a marketplace where anyone taller than 6’8” starts with an $8M deal, or that Childress’ value is diminished because he misses the first 6-7 minutes of each half but plays virtually every other minute of a game, well, maybe you should stay in that dark, quiet place with a broadband connection where you can play make-believe-NBA-GM.

By mavid

November 28, 2006 12:07 AM | Link to this

ahhaha great post joe

By tb

November 28, 2006 03:37 AM | Link to this

Astro J - Finally another blogger takes note of the weak argument. To me the intelligence of a person can be fairly easily measured by the strength of their arguments and their ability to progress through ideas with logical reflexion. When you begin nearly all of your arguments with faulty premises, you are doomed to a very weak argument.

Before I accepted the fact that Ando was just fooling with his illogical arguments and his ego-maniac persona, I felt compelled to attack what I perceived to be a little Napoleon syndrome. Now I just sit back and laugh.

I too wanted Biendrins for Al. More than anything else Hawks related. The #16-22 pick that we will get from Indy will help to alleviate some of my disappointment.

Though I am inclined to let the current group grow together for about another year, I am intrigued by the idea of certain trades. The KG for half our team proposal not with-standing, a Salim and a second or something similar for a Rondo or West would be very nice.

We still need a stud C, but the PG has to be our biggest deficiency that CAN be addressed.

I have given BK his due for turning the Hawks roster around. I am not convinced that Woody is a valid NBA coach. He seems to have some ability to keep the guys together and working, but the X’s and O’s part of his game seems to be nearly non-existent; especially on O

By HB Ando

November 28, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

TB, I’m glad to hear that you still find the need to prop up your self-esteem at the expense of my woefully misjudged intelligence. You seem to need it much more than most, so keep petting yourself and stroking it, dude. CJ castigates my point, while confirming them. To wit, nothing HAS changed in over a year. This is still a bottom dwelling franchise, the early record not withstanding. Toronto is the only team they’ve beaten at home, in the last five tries. Injuries, blah blah blah. Childress better than Deng or Igoudala? Ridiculous. Blah blah blah. I’ve stopped coming daily because you guys, and your pompous, irrelevant opinions are simply as poor as the Hawks franchise. You’ve found more ways to excuse Billy Knight’s failings than TB can count by tapping the ground with his Jackass hooves. Honest to God, TB and Joe just aren’t happy unless they’re smugly propping themselves up on the delusion that they stand upon my easily defeated carcass.

TB, where do you get all this faulty premise, doomed BS? You and Joe disagree and you think that invalidates my argument? No, Joe disagrees and you support his opinion. You’re like a little kid who responds to a slight by saying, “No, you are!”, and then grinning in perceived victory. You might as well type, “Ando is wrong and I’m right. I win. Says so right here, so it’s the truth”. Two donkey’s do not a fact make.

Just be very clear that if you two do not believe you’ve got me matched, at the very least, for self-aggrandizing, irritatingly arrogant posts, you are simple delusional. Your responses are the essential boredom that causes me to stop by one a week, instead of daily. So you guys can sit here and give each other a reach around for the foreseeable future, and it’s not going to make you right, nor the Hawks good. Have at it.

By Neil

November 28, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

Anyone,

I was hoping that someone could help me out on this. We have two draft picks next year, ours and one from Indiana. Does Phoenix automatically get the lower of the draft picks? Thanks in advance.

By Astro Joe

November 28, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

Neil, as I understand it, Phoenix gets the Hawks’ original pick. So if (by some miracle), we finish ahead of the Pacers, we would get the better pick and send Phoenix our original selection. That is, of course, the best possible scenario, though highly unlikely.

By Gutz

November 28, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

Ando what in gods name are you talking about in your last post about TB and Joe? You really are an ego maniac man! All they did was point out that you don’t know what you were talking about ONCE again about trading AL for Biedrins. GS was never going to trade him for the very reason he is blowing up right now in NBA putting up great numbers. He is a huge prospect they were very high on. The only player they were really willing to part with was Murphy and his bloated contract. Do you not understand that? GS would not deal with us at all unless we took on Murphy’s contract! I don’t understand why you keep bringing up these trade scenarios that could never happen not because BK didn’t pursue them but because GS wouldn’t part with any of their young talent especially Biedrins. Same with the Pacers we wanted Harrison but they WOULD NOT part with him. There wasn’t much else Bk could do here but to at least obtain a 1st round pick for next year which he did.

By Chris

November 28, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

Unfortunately a trade with Golden State would not have included the services of Nellie coaching ex-Golden State players into overachieving and we would have acquired another unhappy Frenchmen.

By CJ

November 28, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

Well Gutz you are calling out Ando for simply stating a trade scenario. We don’t know and can’t assume whether BK asked for Biedrins or not. And there is still no defense for him because he put himself in that hole in the first place by holding out on Harrington for months beyond his expiration date…losing all leverage. There simply is no more defense for the man, he’s good as gone anyway after this season. He failed to draft a backup PG, he used a #5 pick on a lackluster bench player, he got nothing of value for Harrington. It’s a net minus; writing is on the wall. Ando has been right (he says pretty much what the general sports world writes about the Hakws) for the past 2 seasons I have read this blog, so far the streak looks like it’s continuing.

By The Flash

November 28, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

Spencer Heywood. That’s the guy’s name. Same game as Amare’s; only Amare is a bit more deft; Heywood was more deadly, as in a shooter. Had a long career after the knee, which was not nearly as bad as Amare’s, but he was never the same.

Doc, went out with my son and a friend of his to kick it around some. Ain’t as easy as it looks; big fat ball would not sit still, and even when it did, well, I wasn’t wearin spikes or nothin.

Don’t try it doc, much easier to sit back as the wise old man and tell the youngins how it’s done. But, you knew that already didn’t you? I’m learnin doc, I’m learnin.

Hey, honestman, you take an anger management course? You should do ads. You bringin it different this year. Kindler, gentler, except when you tore into that guy the other day. It’s like the say, the less you use it, the sharper the knife is. You was vicious there abe; just makin sure the rest of us stay on our toes, eh? Got my attention.

By Chris

November 28, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

Does anyone want to make a prediction on when the Hawks will buy out Speedy’s contract for medical reasons? Why did the Hawks take on Roayal Ivey’s team option this year. If he doesn’t get in the game in Orlando when the Hawks are down by 20+ all night does he ever get in a game? Let the guy play in the development league with Esteban so those guys at least have a chance of improving and continuing their careers. Esteban at least seems to smile on the bench. Royal looks all sad and stuff. Salim has enough problems not looking all sad with his head hanging down. Sitting next to Royal all night can’t be good for him. “Hey Salim, I was a starting point guard in the NBA once, it ain’t all that. If I was as tall as that Bozeman guy I would still be starting, rats.”

By Chris

November 28, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

Props to Sheldon for being nba.com’s rookie of the week: Putting up Charles Oakley like numbers.

http://www.nba.com/rookies/rankings.html

By Gutz

November 28, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

CJ your absolutely clueless if you don’t think BK inquired about Biedrins or David Harrison when talking with the Pacers and Warriors. I don’t know where you all think he didn’t inquire about them. I remember BK even stating on 790 the zone one day he actually talked to the fans and mentioned that the Warriors and Pacers WOULD NOT part with any of their young talent. SO in fact you and Ando are wrong and just assume BK didn’t ask about them. Any GM with a brain would have at least inquired about those two guys when trying to trade AL. The reality is there isn’t much you can do with an unrestricted free agent guys. You can’t just demand teams to give up their young talent. BK at least got a 1st round pick for next year. Look at the Pistons for petes sake. They got ZERO for Ben Wallace!!!!

By honest_abe

November 28, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

ando: thank you for re-opening a very boring can of worms. lol!

flash: indeed, i have turned the corner.. at least i hope. i found it’s easier to get your point across when talking rationally instead of emotionally. even though i forget sometimes. heh

By Neil

November 28, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

Thanks Astro.

By A Thinking Fan

November 28, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

Shelton was “WHAT” LAST WEEK? HATERS HOW COULD YOU LET THIS HAPPEN?

By doc

November 28, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

flash bold move, wouldnt even think of kicking it around with my daughter’s u-17 team much less my son.

and yeah our ninja assasin still has it in him when he swallows 5 espresso’s. like his his tude either way decaf or ceffeinated.

i love the arguments about bk that imply he missed on certain fantasy trades, only the most gullible fall for that one. for those arguing against it how can you argue against someone in pure fantasy; ever tried to argue with a schizophrenic?

flash, which hometown team are you taking tonight, yourn or ourn?

By The Flash

November 28, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

There is only one home team. Go Hawks!

By HB Ando

November 28, 2006 07:23 PM | Link to this

Gutz, your response to CJ and me suggests you either have inside information, working for the Hawks, or you’re just hazarding a guess, like Joe, and passing it off as fact. 790 is no place to pin the truth on opinion. So essentially, you’re full of s**. I drop by and offer my subjective opinion, mentioning no one else by name, and get a combined response of one guy who counters my post with his opinion as fact, with no more objective validation on his points over my own, and another guy who simply takes the opportunity to, once again, asail my obvious lack of intellect, based on a few off-hand comments about the local NBA franchise.

Joe, we can agree to disagree on the relative value, in the eyes of the NBA, on Childress vs. Igoudala, Deng and Biedrins. But please don’t offer some nonsense about the Hawks having a better record than Chicago or Philly as justification that Childress is better than either of those two, unless you want to bet significant money on the Hawks ending this season with a better record than either of those teams. Name your number, and I’ll put it in writing, legally binding, that won’t happen. So then we’re back to Childress being a lifetime backup on a team that WILL end this season with a lesser winning percentage than Philly or Chicago, where the other two guys are starters and primary cogs. You didn’t address my point, which is, and continues to be, that Childress doesn’t make the starting lineup here, EVEN WITH Marvin out injured. He’s essentially the third best small forward one of the five worst teams in the NBA (please spare me the BS about him being a two-guard; he has no breakdown game off the dribble, and shoots a set shot).

TB, you are the remora to Joe’s lemon shark (I went with lemon, because I always imagine a face that’s just bit into one when I read his pedantic posts). You are Butthead to his Beavis. You are the annoying little guy who stands behind the local bully.

I think I’m going to follow the lead of you two. I’m just going to hang back and wait for you to post, and then personally attack you, seeking some type of pathetic blog support for my otherwise pointless attempts to use this basketball forum as some type of platform to achieve intellectual or moral superiority over my foes. It’s a blog. You guys need to get a life. Seriously.

Just keeping it real.

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