Hawks

By BeFrank

November 10, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

I agree Sekou. The NBA is so grueling that the sucessful teams will leverage their depth in the back-to-back games. I’m slightly concerned about the minutes that JJ is playing already but nothing to worry about now as long as Speedy’s recovery is just that…speedy! How is Shelden holding up so far? He is really going to be tested in the Miami game if Shaq is back.

By doc

November 10, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

sekou, tell me did the hawks win three in a row last year much less four or five?

ho hum, shaq and bogout to follow, we got zaza.

did anyone else see the resemblance to noah on the floor last night during the cav game. their big man hustled just like the fl. star and it went beyond the hair. damn, i would have loved to have had a mane like that in my day.

btw, ando how did you look in your mullet in your day and dont tell me you didnt have one? at least let us know your worst hair day or look of the times.

i did the fratello/hubie/sutton thing once for about six months. besides the buzz, the easiest hair care of my life, wash and go for efficiency.

By G-Money

November 10, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

Sekou, great that you were 5 for 5 on Tuesday. I also predicted Shelden’s 8 would be important against the Cavs. He scored 8 and the Hawks won. In this case, the real deal is going to be how does JSmith respond the the challenge of defending Bosh, quick, excellent shooter and a good defender. I believe that we can corral TJ. I also believe that they aren’t going to be able to stop JJ. Thus, what ZaZa, Chills, Smoove and Speedy/Lue can contribute is going to be mega-important. Also, in agreement that the bench is going to be tested. I think they’ll acquit themselves well. I like Bozeman, Frieje, Shelden and Lo. I think that they will work hard against Toronto. If my memory serves me correctly, the Sonics will potentially be tired from a pretty long road trip. Not one to count an egg before hatching, this feels like a 1-1 split, but we could get lucky depending on how determined the guys decide they want to be in Toronto.

By Ernest

November 10, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

Just heard Dennis Scott say on 790 the Zone there will be a lineup change tonight. Think it will be something other than Lue for an injured Speedy?

By Astro Joe

November 10, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

I don’t understand why you are saying that Toronto and Seattle are very different. They are both offense-first teams who are looking to push and soce, push and score. I agree that the Seattle game will help us understand if depth matters.

Is Speedy inactive for tonight? Why not have Ivey ready to go against two fast-paced teams if Speedy is still nursing his finger-connected-to-the-knee-bone injury?

By HB Ando

November 10, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

Joe, I got one word for you on the difference between Seattle and Toronto: Bosh.

Doc, I didn’t have the classic “redneck” mullet, but, rather, the wavy, long-in-the-back “Rick Springfield” ‘do, from his General Hospital/Jesse’s Girl days.

On Chicago, I think, whether it’s by the all-star break, or next year, that you’ll see Thabo become the starting 2-guard for the Bulls. Gordon will return to 6th man, or move on to a team with a big PG, where they can swap out on defensive assignments. Gordon, as we know, is a stone cold scorer, but he doesn’t make his teammates better. Remember, as it’s been an explanation for many other teams’ early season struggles, that the Bulls have integrated 4 new players into their rotation, in Wallace, Brown, Thomas and Thabo. It will take them some time to jell. But Detroit, as I predicted, will not be the team to beat. And that leaves Miami and New Jersey. Their backcourt matchup with the Heat isn’t so bad. They don’t match up with Kidd and Vinsanity worth a damn (but who does). Cleveland has got the Chosen One, and some serious size. But I’m not sure Brown is that good of a coach. Shaq loves to play opossum in the early season, but he’s going to have to return to dominance post-all-star break for them to repeat. I just feel Chicago coming out of the East, by the end of the year.

On Chicago passing up Roy, I really believe they covered it with the selection of Thabo. I couldn’t be higher on that guy, and believe that if he was an NCAA product that he’d have been a top-10 pick.

Joe, have Ivey “ready” for what? LOL……..

By Gutz

November 10, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

I don’t know why so many people think Chicago is the best in the East. The Hawks beat the Cavs on their homecourt then the Cavs turn around and dismantle the Bulls and their so called improved defense. They gave up well over 100pts. Chicago has problems offensively since no one on their roster is consistent enough to put up points every night. Their defense should be improved but hasn’t really shown up yet. Detroit is not going anywhere this year. Miami isn’t either in my book with that over the hill roster. If Wade went down they would finish dead last. Honestly the best team in my opinion in the East right now would have to be the NJ Nets. I’m seeing a lot more parity in the NBA this year with the so-called bottom feeders of the league all showing huge improvements from last year including our HAWKS! Point is all these teams mentioned above are way overrated this year. There is no way Miami repeats with that team. Shaq can barely move out there. I’m looking for the Hawks to make the playoffs if they keep this play up and it wouldn’t surprise me to them get a seed higher than 8 or 7 with the way these top teams are looking.

By tyger

November 10, 2006 07:21 PM | Link to this

Film study

After an inspiring win over the Cavs, I was compelled to review - for what went so right. Obviously, Joe, Ty Lue and ZaZa had phenomenal games, but what kept us in the game:

1. Cold shooting down the stretch from Cleveland; 2. Outstanding collective defensive effort; 3. Alot of lucky bounces on Hawks offensive end;
2. Tremendous play from role players; 5. Cedric Bozeman.

I want to start with Cedric Bozeman, this kid has really taken Salim’s job outright. He is a superior player. I watched him doing all the little things. Time and time again, matched up with Lebron and Hughes, he didn’t flinch. He defends, he rebounds, he passes and he shoots.

And he does it all within the confines of the offense. He was a brilliant pickup, he’s the kind of player that takes you to the next level while sparing your salary cap. He also makes BK look like a sheer genius.

Frieje and Shelden: Frieje is a good shooter with 3pt range that’s going to keep defenses honest. He doesnt hurt you on the defensive end either. Plus, as a street free agent, he’s hungry, unlike some others, he isn’t nor feels entitled, and it shows in his play.

Shelden is coming along magnificently, faster than Marvin or the Joshes did. He’s the “goon” we lacked, he relishes in grunt work, his offense is coming around, despite being undersized. His beautiful dunk against Cleveland was a result more of his intellect than his athleticism.

As this depth develops our chances of contending increases. So far, there hasnt been a huge drop in productivity when we sub. If we can keep that up, we ARE going to be for real.

I agree, this weekend is a huge test. Saturday, for the back-to-back, but Friday for the road.

Toronto, another young and upcoming team, is supposed to be better than us and probably foresees a good chance at a win, but if we really have the eye of the tiger, we’ll come out confident and let them know, these aint your daddy’s Hawks.

By honest_abe

November 10, 2006 07:21 PM | Link to this

i know it’s only the first quarter…but the LANDLORD looking sharp!

By JMar

November 10, 2006 07:46 PM | Link to this

As I type this, Matt Freije is 1-8 on the year for three pointers, and not a single one of those has been contested. Sekou - you know this kid better than the casual fans: is he going to start knocking these down? Is it nerves, or are these ill-advised shots (like when Josh Smith decides to take 3s).

By talk_chillin

November 10, 2006 08:06 PM | Link to this

D-FENSE! Alnight looooong…..

By roan st

November 10, 2006 08:21 PM | Link to this

WOW! Did shelden look smooth on that spinning left handed layup or what? I think once he gets more comfortable he might just turn into a pretty decent scorer. The kid might become a pretty damn good player before its all said and done.

By Richie Rich

November 10, 2006 08:36 PM | Link to this

Tyger, i can’t beleive you said that Sheldon is coming along faster than Marvin or the Joshes did. First of all Sheldon is 22yrs old and played 4yrs of college basketball, so he should be a little more polished than Marvin(20yrs old), and Jsmoove(20yrs old). You also have to look at how Marvin and Jsmoove were handled in their rookie seasons, coach woodson would play them only a few minutes at a time, and when they made a mistake, no matter what it was, he would take them out immediately. He doesn’t do this with Sheldon tho.

As far as tonight’s game goes, i like what i see from a team perspective. The defensive effort is something we haven’t seen around the ATL in a looooong time. They are getting maximum effort from whoever they stick out on the floor, Bozeman, Freije, Wright, it doesn’t matter, everyone of these guy’s are bringing the hustle and energy to the floor, and that’s all that you can ask for.

Joe Johnson is just a BEAST!…That Olympic experience did something to Joe, whatever it was, i hope he shares it with the rest of the guy’s.

As far as the guy’s that i get on the most, Sheldon looked like he might have a ruff night after Bosh drove right by him and dunked, but the rook hung in their and looked good. I hope he prooves me wrong this year, but until i see more, i still say we should have drafted someone else. As for Jchill, i still can’t stand this wasted pick, he only scores because nobody pays attention to him, and he just hangs out by the basket waiting on a pass. One thing he does do tho is hustle, i will give him that.

By honest_abe

November 10, 2006 09:16 PM | Link to this

lol… ok richie.. you decide it’s prime time to jump on the bandwagon?

one word to describe tonight’s effort. wow.. two starters out and this team still finds a way to win convincingly on the road. jj is better than i think anyone thought that he could be.

4-1 baby!!!!!

josh smith takes a lot of flack from everyone.. coaches, fans, myself included but he really displayed his amazing talents tonight. as long as his attitude is right, the sky is the limit!

GOOOO HAWKS!

FIRE CLYDE!@!#$!#$

By roan st

November 10, 2006 09:16 PM | Link to this

Richie rich, why the hell do you and others on this board continue to say that josh childress was a wasted pick at #6. Here is a list of 10 players taken after childress:

Who the hell on this list is such a great player that would lead you to believe that childres was such a big mistake!

By A Thinking Fan

November 10, 2006 09:25 PM | Link to this

Richie my Boy - They WON!

By A Thinking Fan

November 10, 2006 09:28 PM | Link to this

ABE Go back and read what DOC and I were saying about JJ last year! I keep my posts/takes - don’t make me go there - LOL!

By ray

November 10, 2006 09:29 PM | Link to this

JMar, I’d say Freije will warm up. I figure he’ll be a tougher, more dangerous version of someone like…oh, Pat Garrity. The cure for a shooter usually is to keep shooting.

Richie, I agree with a lot you say, but I think Childress is better than you give him credit for. He helps the team, doesn’t hurt it. The reason why a lot of his scoring isn’t prolific or flashy is because that’s not what they need from him. He’s primarily a hustle, score without getting in the way kind of guy. Every team needs a guy or two like that. He knows he’s not one of the primary scoring options. A player that knows his role and when to change to another role is invaluable. As for draft picks, I won’t argue with you on that, because there are many arguments that are very defensible on the subject. But the players themselves can’t help where they were picked.

By mavid

November 10, 2006 09:30 PM | Link to this

4-1!!

are we in some parallel universe or something?

By Hawks Fan

November 10, 2006 09:34 PM | Link to this

I have tickets to tomorrow nights game. With the hip hop awards in town and the TI concert after the game, will it be safe to go to the game?

By ray

November 10, 2006 09:44 PM | Link to this

First, congrats on our fellas bringin’ the pain to Toronto tonight. I am LOVING this right now. Keep up the intensity!

Fellas, y’all knew there would be people hoppin’ on the bandwagon. Many of us were sick about the Hawks for years and didn’t see such a good start coming. I didn’t have a clue we’d be 4-1 right now and to claim such is hypocrisy without limit (at least on my part). And there have been Hawk-hater statements. But is not the bandwagon about love? Let’s call bygones…well, bygones. And hand out the bandwagon love, there’s always room on the wagon. After all, there will be tough times ahead. Some might fall off the wagon. Long as you get back on before you get left behind, right?

LASCHO, I know you said people would be pilin’ on the wagon. Don’t laugh at me too hard with my corny Kumbaya stuff..after all, you were right. But Clyde for certain is alright with me. Richie too. I just can’t abide trolls, but you always have those on a blog.

Wow. Smoove brought it tonight. Still, if that jumper isn’t falling, and he’s not driving to the hole enough, he’s gonna draw criticism. Also, he won’t be coming with those numbers every night. Good game, now I’d like to see some consistency. Seems like he’s still lacking a bit of passion, but that could be a Andruw Jones thing (Braves centerfielder). He was accused of the same thing, sort of.

By ray

November 10, 2006 09:50 PM | Link to this

Hawks Fan… nevermind. I’ll leave that alone.

Even though there’s no Bosh to deal with, Seattle is no pushover. Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, Chris Wilcox. Although, if they think the Hawks will be anything like the Bobcats, boy are they in for a surprise. As long as we bring it like we have been, Seattle is as beatable as any other team we’ve beaten.

By ray

November 10, 2006 10:16 PM | Link to this

Sooo, Bozeman with a start, and 20 minutes at that. He might have played a bit longer were it not for some foul trouble (and Lue being as good as he is). Hmmmmm. Bye-bye, Ivey.

By doc

November 10, 2006 10:19 PM | Link to this

now honest, i said that jj was the next best thing to d. wade last year and said his stint as a point guard wasjust going to make hime better in the long run this year.

four in a row, when was the last time a hawks fan could say that.

By doc

November 10, 2006 10:23 PM | Link to this

you tell the boy atf.

By JohnD

November 10, 2006 10:30 PM | Link to this

Knock, knock. Opportunity is there. Big win on the road (all road wins are) and now three home games in the next week.

The Nets, 76ers and Bulls are likely to finish the month with losing records. All 3 have long trips to the West coast where the East teams go to die on most occasions. Miami was struggling at NJ the last I saw and Richard Jefferson has a problem ankle.

Remember the 82(?) Braves who jumped to 13 straight at the beginning of the season and rode that streak to the playoffs. The opportunity is here, right now, for the Hawks to assert themselves and make a statement for the season.

I hope the attendance number tomorrow night is the 19,604 that represents a sold out Philips arena. Will all of you be there? I will look for you.

By Clyde

November 10, 2006 10:41 PM | Link to this

Josh Smith is the man. Thank you Nique for talking Billy into drafting him. I know its early but he could be an all-star.

What’s up wit the Hawks getting bumped off radio for GA Tech basketball? The Hawks at least deserve a radio station of their own.

And thank you Woody for not taking Jsmooth out the game in favor of JChill. JChill just doesn’t have the star quality Josh Smith does. At some point the Hawks have to choose between Jchill and Marvin because Josh Smith has to stay.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By JohnD

November 10, 2006 10:45 PM | Link to this

Sekou,

Just read your article about the last Hawk playoff team. I liked the guys they traded - Steve Smith, Mookie and Dikembe - but the moves had to be made. I disagree with my friend Steve Holman on the move being made out of panic.

The Knicks did not simply knock the Hawks out of the playoffs they kicked them rudely. The Knick guards exposed our lack of quickness on defense at the guard spots.

The Knick guards met ours at half court, and beyond, and simply stuffed the Hawk offense. Our guards could not beat them off the dribble, could not initiate the offense early enough for a decent shot and were soundly outplayed.

The Hawk guards waited at the 3 point line or inside the top of the key for the Knick guards when the Hawks were on defense. The Hawks could not defend the ball, stop penetration or even stay close to the Knick guards. Find someone with the tapes if you wish to see a horror show.

The trades ended up being losers but perhaps the reason was that no other team was willing to part with players of value. Steve and Mookie, and Dikembe to some extent, saw their playing time, stats and careers begin to dwindle away after the trades.

By GuyFromUruguay

November 10, 2006 10:49 PM | Link to this

I couldn’t watch the game tonight, but what’s up with Josh? Is Woodson encouraging him to throw 3s? At least he’s hitting them.

“Johnson and Smith sparked a 17-6 run. Johnson started it with two free throws and Smith followed with a 3-pointer

After Johnson assisted on another 3-pointer by Smith, Tyronn Lue made a 22-foot jumper to give Atlanta 102-89 lead with 2:37 left.”

By Mike M

November 10, 2006 10:56 PM | Link to this

I love reading these blogs - I think I am one of the only Hawks fans in the state of SD - been a fan since the days of Eddie Johnson and John Drew. Suffered threw some lean years - man, these Hawks are gonna surprise. But, does anyone know what is up with Salim? Is he in the doghouse, or hurt? I would think especially with Speedy out - he would get a chance to play spot minutes and hit a few threes. In games where offense is such a premium, I would think he would get a few minutes. Also, anyone know how long Speedy is going to be out? Hard to believe what this team could accomplish with Marvin back. Also hard to believe (there have been a few contributions from Shelden Williams and Lorenzen Wright), but this Hawks club is accomplishing all this with right now basically the same crew minus Harrington, who some COULD argue was the MVP last year. What a difference a year makes.

By mykhalc

November 10, 2006 11:04 PM | Link to this

yeah baby!!! ROAD WIN AGAIN!!! can you say 4 in row!!! NICE!!

RAY, ciao to IVEY and SALIM!!!IMHO

again, didn’t see the game but the box score is sayin’ alot!! JS and JC seemed like they were in a groove, especially JS. nice to see him step up his game tonite. BOZEMAN got the start huh??!! didn’t seem like it was an IVEY start in name only either!!! and JJ!! man, the cat is truly takin’ it to the next level. i wonder how many STILL feel the HAWKS gave up too much for him??? i never did feel that way and man am i jack’d about his level of play. second in scoring in the league and doin’ it all in the flo of the offense and game. doin’ his share of hittin’ the glass and handin’ out the assists too!!! gotta be shootin’ around 50% from the floor too???!!?? great vision BK!! yeah i said it!!LOL

now if we can just get MARVIN and SPEEDY healthy and get somethin’ for SALIM i’d truly be in HAWKS heaven!!!LOL

By A Thinking Fan

November 10, 2006 11:05 PM | Link to this

That’s right DOC!

The thing BK understands is the dysfunction in a lot of these prima donnas(s) and he has avoided drafting and trading for a lot of them…

By michael m.

November 10, 2006 11:05 PM | Link to this

you gotta love the way we are competing right now. i told you guys over the summer that if we played together as a team and established chemistry, especially on defense where helping each other out and playing with effort and intensity will keep you in almost every game, that we could really rise up in the east where there is so much parity and equally skilled teams. since starting the season down 22-4 at philly, we have really bought into the system. you can see the confidence building. and who among us isn’t ecstatic to no longer watch opposing teams run layup drills at our expense. and joe johnson is playing like a true superstar, like at a 1st or 2nd team all-nba level. he is making everyone else better. his work this summer with the other elite players has benefitted his game and the hawks more than i would have expected. it’s a long season but the way we have handled the in-fame trials and tribulations has been a revelation compared to seasons past. we don’t fold. nice to see some mental toughness from these hawks. saturday night they have a chance to show what they are made of. let’s see if they can continue to surprise by taking care of business at home at the end of back to back games. can’t sleep on the sonics. i am out in cali but i sure hope the atl faithful comes out to support our guys. i’ll be watching on league pass and hope to hear the crowd offering a 6th man advantage.

By ray

November 10, 2006 11:15 PM | Link to this

Yeah, who’s missing Harrinton right now? And, oh that terrible void he left that we just couldn’t replace? Heh, Smoove is filling that by himself at the moment.

By Clyde

November 10, 2006 11:33 PM | Link to this

Ray he should have filled the void last year but Woody don’t like rookies.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By gutz

November 10, 2006 11:40 PM | Link to this

Dude Al only scores and plays no defense whatsoever. He slowed down the improvement of Smoove, Chill and Marvin. With him gone and this team officially JJ’s now were playing exceptional ball. Getting rid of Al was total addition by subtraction!! Woodson is also maturing as a coach as well and its showing on the court with timely timeouts and the obvious defensive pressure he has made our team put forth. Coach of Year right now is Woodson! JJ is MVP right now as well. This team is only going to get better when Speedy and Marvin come back healthy. Smoove showed that potential tonight if only he can keep it up consistently. Keep it up Hawks. Tough game tomorrow though against the sharpshooting Allen and Sonics. We better guard the 3 point line better than we did tonight. Thats the only flaw I saw in the game. We kept letting them have wide open 3 point looks. Go Hawks!

By RDM

November 10, 2006 11:43 PM | Link to this

As long as he hits them, I won’t complain when Smith throws up threes.

By JohnD

November 10, 2006 11:44 PM | Link to this

A Thinking Fan has it. Billy Knight has avoided the guys who just do not fit with this team. Talent is not the only factor. Willingness to embrace the team concept, play defense and work hard far outweigh having a “name” player.

The Joe Johnson deal looks beter and better all the time. A premier player who also embodies all that a coach looks for in a team leader.

By gutz

November 10, 2006 11:51 PM | Link to this

Diaw is an overweight, overachieving bum who won’t even come close to the season he has last year. He looks terrible and slow so far this year. Nothing like he looked last year. He got that fat contract by overachieving. I would take JJ over Diaw and 2 1st rounders anyday of the week. Considering the Suns sold one of the 1st round picks to Boston for cash it was really Diaw and a 1st rounder for JJ. Doesn’t really matter JJ is an obvious superstar and all-star this year no doubt. To cap it all off the Suns are playing terrible at 1-5 and playing ABSOLUTELY no defense whatsoever like every other team in the West conference. Go Hawks! Keep it up

By Wedgie Evans

November 10, 2006 11:58 PM | Link to this

Joe Johnson — 34 points, looking more and more like an MVP candidate.

Boris Diaw — newest member of Phoenix’s bench, and makes John Hollinger’s list of 10 most disappointing players so far.

I know it’s still really early, but it actually feels good to be a Hawks fan right now.

The biggest difference I see this year with the Hawks is how well they are playing team defense. We have had athletic players who are fully capable of playing good defense the past couple of years, but they had no chemistry on the defensive end. Now they know where they are supposed to be on D and help each other out when they need to. Bozeman’s a solid defensive addition too.

By RDM

November 11, 2006 12:02 AM | Link to this

And JOe JOhnson is the best player I have seen in a HAwks uniform, possibly since DOminique Wilkens,

By mykhalc

November 11, 2006 12:33 AM | Link to this

CLYDE, think you got that one wrong bro!! WOODSON don’t like rookies that can’t bring it on the defensive end. SHELDON and BOZEMAN are gettin’ plenty of court time as rooks!!!

i might have to drop my ‘not-ready-for-prime time’ tag for WOODSON. he has the boyz playin’ hard, believin’, and WINNING!!! GO HAWKS!!

By Lacsho

November 11, 2006 12:44 AM | Link to this

Ray you know what it is. I’m not the only person who was optimistic about this Hawks team. Only thing I have to say right now is once Marvin and Speedy are playing full-speed with this squad it’s a wrap. I’m telling you we will be in playoff contention this year. People have to respect us. This team is full of players who fight for every possession; they just do not give up. This team has bought into the Woody’s program, and now we will reap the benefits.

Doc,AJ,Ray,Astro,Abe,Ken,MichealM,Flash,MykhalC,Clyde,Ando,GMoney,Sameul, ATF, Roan, Reese, Mountain Jim, Jameyan, and anyone I left out,” this beer is for you.”

I will be in Phillips Saturday Night!

Damn J-Smash had a great game; his driving game opened up his jump shot. When he plays like this he gets nothing but PROPS…

Great game Hawks

Oh Yeah Someone tell every other sports journalist writing for AJC, besides Sekou We Don’t need you!!!!!

Peace Yall, and I’m gone!!!!

By mykhalc

November 11, 2006 12:51 AM | Link to this

a cold one back at cha LACSHO!!!yeah baby!!

By cp

November 11, 2006 01:21 AM | Link to this

I’ve been working nights so I havent been able to catch the games but as soon as I get in the door I turn to espnews to catch the scores and Ive been very happy. I hope they keep it up. I dont expect them to win 60 games or nothing but I do hope they find a way to make it into the playoffs. Ive supported this team from the first day I got into watching basketball.Its been hard the past few years but as a true fan you stick by your team. I know its early but i hope they keep it up .

By honest_abe

November 11, 2006 02:17 AM | Link to this

sorry doc & atf.. i forgot we all like to take credit for things we get right.. heh yes if anyone should get credit for the belief in jj.. it’s you guys.. i never criticized the move either… i just never thought he’d be THIS good..

anyways… a great start to the season.. i still have love for all you haters.. even though you refused to support the team when they were struggling… jump on.. we need as many supporters as we can get!

By tb

November 11, 2006 06:08 AM | Link to this

Good job Hawks; and that includes BK and Woody. Woody has his team clicking and believing. He is making good use of his TO’s, substitutions and throwing twists into his X’s and O’s to exploit the other team.

Gotta giv’em props

By G Money

November 11, 2006 06:13 AM | Link to this

JohnD, Dikembe went on to deliver Denver a first round playoff win over then #1 Seattle, the first in several years. I was there watching at the time saying, “those stupid Hawks guys.”

Guy from Uraguay, the 3 pointer is part of the modern game. No one is saying why is Bosh shooting 3’s now. Josh Smith will develop into an immense problem for opposing teams. The more range a player has, the more of a defensive problem he can become, 4-7 is pretty darn good along with 5-5 at the free throw line, etc. He was filling it up.

Guys, I probably shouldn’t be saying this, but these Hawks look like the real deal. Woody has the 2nd Unit playing by the end of the 1st quarter. Everyone seems to know that this one is in hand. They have the poise of a veteran team. I was completely impressed. Again, I say JJ brings a Jordan like work ethic and killer instinct to the floor every night. It’s gonna be rockin in Philips tonight.

As for Marvin and Speedy…I just hope that we don’t have the same problems integrating those two guys back into the rotations as PHX has had with Amare. I won’t call Diaw a bum, but I think that whole situation is just bad and particularly so since they play no D.

By Jay

November 11, 2006 06:54 AM | Link to this

After disgesting the game and going over the blogs…

1. Smoove was the man tonight. Going 4-7 3s will boost his confidence a ton. But he still needs to work on driving to the hole. He tried once in the second half and got his pocket picked. A lot of times you see him hanging out behind the 3-point line, thus why he got 7 3-point attempts. I’d like him to crash the boards a bit more, and PLEASE work on your dribbling in traffic skills!

2. Chills is a valuable pick. And I definately would rather have him then most of the guys drafted behind him, exception being Telfair. Lue has been doing well because we havent played anyone with a good point guard. Telfair is a young guy with more talent then Chills. And did you see that jumper Chills threw up tonight. UG-LY. If he could develop more of a perimeter game, he would help the hawks a ton.

3. Why did Sheldan disappear in the 2nd half? Bosh really turned it up then. And the landlord was playing outstanding in the first half. That spin move, the trailer dunk…come on Woodson. Give him some time…I’d love to be able to play him with Marvin and Smoove.

4. Speaking of which, youve seen our crunch-time lineup…Smoove, Chills, Joe, Lue, Zsa. Where does Marvin fit in? He doesnt…but Chris Paul sure would be an upgrade over Lue. Look at his stats this season…imagine him in our team right now. Knightmare, you better pray this team keeps it up, because that was a HUGE blunder.

5. It looks like Im the only one that wants to Salim play a bit. He is our 2nd-best shooter and he is a scorer. When we take Joe out, you see our offense slow down dramatically. Salim would be a great sub for Joe at 5-10 minutes a game. And I think he would also play well on the court as the same time as Joe…Joe is going to see more and more doubleteams as the season goes on, and who knows how long Smoove can keep up his 3-point shooting. Salim would be a natural knocking down open jumpers created by Joe’s presence.

By A Thinking Fan

November 11, 2006 08:01 AM | Link to this

Lacsho Thumps-up and give them “Hawks Haters” hell tonight…

By Richie Rich

November 11, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

ABE, bandwagon, what bandwagon? I’m from here, and have always been a hawks fan, Thrashers fan, Braves fan, and Falcons fan, and nothing will change that. Just because i may say something negative about the team, players, coaches, or ownership doesn’t mean i don’t support my teams. This Hawks team right now is showing some promise, which is something we haven’t seen in 6YEARS, but i think that it could have happened sooner with better draft picks. Luol Deng or Igoudala over Childress, Chris Paul over Marvin, not to say i don’t like Marvin, only that Paul was a NEED PICK, and even this year, Billy could have traded down and had 2 pick’s, and possibly still have gotten Sheldon.

That’s just my opinion!

By Gator-red

November 11, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

Sekou, This is great!! I know it is early, but I could not be any happier with our HAWKS. This is my first time posting, but I have been lurking for some time.

Last year I saw a BUNCH of BK haters posting their opinions. Now it is down to a minimum. I for one was glad when we got him. When I saw what he did in Memphis, I knew he was a great choice. By the way, where are all the people that thought the JJ for Boris trade was stupid???? We got a top 5 player in the league. Someone that can lead the team and make everyone around them better. Althoug Boris is better than we thought. He is no more than a role player that needs someone else to bring out his game. We already have enough of those here. Once again BK is showing why he is a very good GM. There have been only 2 moves he has made that I didn’t like. 1. The Drafting of J-Chills and 2. The free agent signing of Tyron Lue. Now those seem like GREAT moves. He proved me wrong and I have to appologize for that.

Before the season started I told all of my friends to look out for the Hawks. I said that they will be fighting for a playoff spot. They all laughed at me. Now all they can say is “It’s still early.” This is true, but they never would have expected this? Let’s go HAWKS!!!!

By mountain_jim

November 11, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

Hey Lacsho - I tip a cool one in return your way!

Yes - its early but some of us here saw reason to be optimistic, and oh where’s the Hawks-hater and self-proclaimed expert in all things bball Mark Bradley right about now, he?

Go Hawks! And Go suck an egg Mark Bradley with your constant Hawk-haterhood!

By doc

November 11, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

gutz. i see i am not the only one who noticed the pounds that diaw has put on. he looks thicker than he did last year and not as fluid. i attributed it to maybe the “tube effect”.

honest, it isnt a question of being right but you did ask the question. atf and i answered.

cant wait to slam the weaver man as he doubts my comment that marvin, howard and bosh wont ever be mentioned in the same breath. i do remember more than an ole man can get grief for. we just sendin nothin but love to the honest man but we will bring it on the weaver that cant bring his game regularly to take the abuse or join the fun at the liars table. atf remember that tag number.

ando, i wouldnt expect it to be nothin but tasteful do from you my friend.

will the streak continue?

By G-Money

November 11, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

We’ll find out tonight whether the streak continues or not. Key tonight is going to be defense on Ray Allen. Is it JJ’s turn to handle him? Who will guard Lewis? This is going to be a key test of the Hawks’ defensive philosophy and scheme. If successful, they are running these guys off the floor, especially at the end of a long road trip.

As for the lingering haters…they need to bug off. I am tired of hearing what BK could have/should have done. Not one blogger knows exactly all of the things going on in the halls and back rooms of this franchise. The wise thing to do is be happy for the short burst of success that we have and hope that it continues. Who can believe people still whining and this is the best record that they’ve had in, what, 7 years? P-u-lease!

By JohnD

November 11, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

G Money,

Dikembe delivered Denver all the way to the finals and I think they were then the first 8 seed to do so. Unfortunately that was BEFORE Dikembe played for the Hawks.

He went from Atlanta to Philadelphia, back to Atlanta for a short period and on to Houston I think. He has not played for Denver since he was in Atlanta.

By Jameyan

November 11, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Appreciate the beer Lascho! lol! Look three seasons ago before the Hawks first pre-season game in Macon vs Orlando. Myself and couple of other people had a chance to go to the Hawks practice and interview them.

The first person I interviewed was Josh Smith. Talking about his game and what Jay Bilas had to say about him at the draft. I also interviewed Josh Childress. For those five minutes I knew those guys were going to be stars and lead us out of the Babcock period of players only out there for stats and not wins because we are the Hawks.

I had a hate for the Hawks for five years 1999-2004 until that day. During those five years I followed my favorite player Jason Williams (White Chocolate in Memphis and Sacramento). Antoine Walker and Tony Delk declined my interviews and I basically told them to kiss my @$$ and they suck.

Walker was walking around like he was the star. Delk was too. You could tell they were only here for stats and to get traded to a contender. But J-Smoove and J-Chillz along with JJ and Marvin are the future of the Hawks. I appreciate all of you for finally hopping on the bandwagon.

By jhan

November 11, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

We are watching the emergence of a soon to be 1st team All-Star. JJ has what it takes to become a top 5-10 player in this league. At this point who cares if BK was bluffed out of one 1st round pick. I’d take that trade again any day.

By Jambazy

November 11, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

I am going to be as loud as I can today at phillips. I hope the crowd gets into it big time from the get go. Go Hawks. Make some noise. See yall at the arena.

By roan st

November 11, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

Lacsho, this buds for you. I keep hearing folks on here cheer the hawks and in the same breathe downgrade childress. Are you folks watching the same hawks game as I am. This guy brings energy, hustle, versatility, and selflessness. He has been a consistent contributor and big reason the hawks are off to a great start this season. Am I missing something? Did he not put 16 points, five boards, 1 block, 1 steal last night. Not to mention he is still developing as a player at only 22 years old. All the great celtic championship teams had a good six man coming off the bench. I like the kid and hope he keeps up the hard work.

By tilldog

November 11, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

I have read these blogs since last year and it is funny to see so much positive talk about the Hawks. We will see if this translates to bottoms in the seats at Phillips. I am loving everything that I am seeing right now on the floor but what I am noticing is off the floor and on the bench. It is Salim. Did anyone notice one time that he celebrated with the team after a play. I notice that since Speedy wasn’t playing, I thought he would get some time but when he didn’t, he sat there and poked his lip out like a little kid. I can’t believe I am saying this because I am a Salim fan but that kind of behavior should not be tolerated. Not even after that amazing dunk by JSmooth when his head almost hit the rim, he sat there and didn’t get up like the rest of his teammates. Did anyone else pay attention to that?

By roan st

November 11, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

JJ’s stats thru 5 games: 31.4 points / 5.4 rebounds/ 5.4 assist. But even more important than those great numbers is jj’s leadership qualities. Heres what josh smith had to say about his teamate. ” He’s more vocal. This is his first year where he’s talked, encouraged people. ” It’s a big change.” If our boy keeps this up he will have to be in the same conversation as lebron and d wade.

By Clyde

November 11, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

mykhalc you said earlier “CLYDE, think you got that one wrong bro!! WOODSON don’t like rookies that can’t bring it on the defensive end. SHELDON and BOZEMAN are gettin’ plenty of court time as rooks!!!”

So does this statement include Marvin Williams? Because last year it seemed to me like he bought into the Al Harrington way of playing defense; slide to the side and hack.

On Salim. All he would do if he got playing time is jack up threes. He doesn’t pass and doesn’t play defense. Let’s move him before he explodes because all of us know its coming.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By John

November 11, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

What is the deal with the Childress bashing. We might have only won one game without him. He is the PERFECT sixth man. Nobody is going to have to choose between him and Marvin because Marvin and Smith will start with Childress and Shelden off the bench. People seem to think you can’t have more than one or two good players at a postition. It seems like so many of thes messages have at least one negative aspect about them. People need to stop complaining. Not only are the Hawks winning, they led ORlando and Torono nearly the ENTIRE game. People say some positive things and then take a shot at Ivey. What is the point? Ivey is a good player to have on the roster. He plays defense and plays hard. I am tired of all this FIRE WOODY and BILLY stuff. Grow up.

By Volman145

November 11, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

Roan St,

JJ is averaging 29 points per game.. Not 31.4.. You averaged it incorrectly..

Sorry.

JJ’s still really good though :)

go Hawks!!

By Clyde

November 11, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

And I hate cry babies!!! Salim is getting paid a 6 (maybe 7) figure salary to sit on the bench and he’s crying. That’s something by little brother in little league basketball would do. Salim is the only one on this team wit a bad attitude. We are off to our best start in 7 years and he’s on the bench wit his lip poked out. Salim work on your ball handling. Work on your defense. Drive to the hole and dish out an assist instead of shooting a 3 and just maybe you will get off the bench!!

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By HawksW810

November 11, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

Sometime after the Allstar game last year, Josh Smith said in an interview, he will use the criticism of his game, as a drving force in motivating himself to work harder on his play, especially his dribbling and outside shooting. So far, the outside shots are working at times, but when he gets comfortable handling the ball in traffic, watchout. Let us not forget about Solomon Jones.

By roan st

November 11, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

Nov. 10, 2006 CBS SportsLine.com wire reports

TORONTO — Joe Johnson has the Atlanta Hawks playing their best basketball in more than seven years.

Johnson scored a season-high 34 points and Josh Smith had a career-best 29 to lead the Eastern Conference-leading Hawks to a 111-102 victory over the Toronto Raptors on Friday night.

Atlanta (4-1) moved three games over .500 for the first time in 7½ years. The Hawks have had seven consecutive losing seasons and never recovered after starting last season 0-9.

But Johnson is off to one of the best starts in the NBA right now. He also had eight rebounds, five assists and finished 12-for-20 from the field.

“This is definitely big for us because last year we got off to such a slow start and that kept us down in the dumps,” Johnson said. “This year we came out upbeat.”

Johnson is averaging 31.4 points, 5.4 rebounds and 5.4 assists. His leadership qualities have been just as important, according to Smith.

“He’s more vocal. This is his first year where he’s talked, encouraged people,” Smith said. “It’s a big change.”

Sorry but I didn’t do JJ’s averages manually just got them from this sports wire. If these numbers are a little off it still doesn’t diminish his accomplishments this season.

By JohnD

November 11, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

All of this positive talk is great.

Salim is in his second year and just like everyone who wears a uniform he wants to play and thinks he is better suited to play than those on the floor, at least those without a J in their name. Hope one of the veterans takes him aside and provides some sound advice. Salim has skills and confidence and can play somewhere if not here.

We need 19,000 at Philips tonight, support is important for a young team.

By Astro Joe

November 11, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Okay, here comes Mr. Cautious Optimism again. Please keep one thing in mind, so far this season, we have only played one team that made the playoffs last year. And yes, we did win that game on Cleveland’s home floor. I am thrilled with our start. We should be beating teams like these and Seattle too. Later in the month, the quality of competiton will increase, but we should have tremendous confidence when that happens. Smith had simply a brilliant game last night. I’m his biggest critic, but dude looked incredible in the second half. I like what Woody is doing with Shelden, playing him about 8-10 minutes of each half and giving him the chance to be successful. Bozeman looked surprisingly comfortable last night. He is quite the find. His handle was strong, even against the smaller quicker Ford last night. Helluva start.

By ray

November 11, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

Man, all this beer tippin’. When I get to a game this season, I’m buying at least ONE of you guys a drink, if we meet up. ‘Til then, we’ll share from afar. Wish I could get up there for the game tonight. Everyone who goes, make some serious noise.

Clyde, if Woodson has a problem with rooks, he got that from his mentor, Larry Brown. Remember how Darko got treated? Ah Brown, how far we’ve fallen lately. But I think Woodson has a mind of his own, he’ll do things differently. As long as he is able to balance his demands with realistic expectation.

By ous

November 11, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

The hawks are off to a great start. The biggest difference is the D. The D is so much better that they are giving these perimeter players nightmares. If they could cut down on their turnover they will go a long way. Go Hawks!

By tb

November 11, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

Salim needs to get real. He had ample opportunity last year. What we mainly noticed were his liabilities.

He is more of a liability than an asset and he has maturity issues.

The Hawks are taking off. they are a team of the future. Salim is not even a part of the equation. He needs to improve his game dramatically and fixx the tude problem.

Hawks should roll against Sonis tonight.

They got nothing inside; shut down the outside shot, contain Lewis and force the game to be physical and inside. They are coming off a game last night as weel and are on the road and had to travel.

Plus, we are the better team.

Hawks 112

Sonics 103

By tb

November 11, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

Bozeman is a big find. He is handling the ball and playing great D on the PG.

Size at the PG is a big asset to our team.

By reese

November 11, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

Lacsho, have a nice large 24oz and enjoy the game.

Another great win, high scoring and defensive effort from our Hawks. Toronto was shooting and hitting the 3 pointers. But, the hawks withstood their runs.

What I liked from the Toronto game: JChill shooting with both his left and right hand to score points. Also, he is still blocking shoots. He went strong to the basket and finished with some dunks.

JSmith continues to be a help defender who blocks shots and causes offensive players to alter their shots or pass off. His willingness to take a charge deep into the 4th qtr was a momentum changer. Not afraid to take the open shot.

zaza went strong to the basket, shot with the left hand and used his body to fend off the skinny bosh and not allow him to block the shot. Plus, he was rewarded with the free throw.

TLue is bringing the veteran leadership/toughness. Plus, he is not afraid to keep shooting and is able to make the occasional big shot down the stretch.

JJ has finally stepped up his game. Last year I mentioned that he and Al Harrington needed to consistently score 20 pts in order for the hawks to win. They were not consistently playing with the intensity of true all stars. JJ is now consistently playing with that intensity. Although, I will not call him an all star until he plays on the team. His current play has him looking like he is a man playing against boys.

Seattle is a team similiar to the Hawks, mediocre point guards (bozeman vs ridenour), star shooting guards (jj vs allen), young leaping stars who like to shoot the 3 rather than post/drive to the basket (Jsmith vs Lewis) and Centers who score double figures, but don’t consistently block shots or rebound in double figures (zaza vs petro)

It would be simple to say that sheldon vs wilcox will be the key. But, this is a team game and the benches (lue,childress,wright,etc vs collinson,watson,wilkins,etc) will play huge roles. GO HAWKS

By mykhalc

November 11, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

CLYDE, you got the upper hand on me with you having seen the games. so on MARVIN playin’ AL type defense last year, i’ll just say, ok i hear ya on that one. the difference THIS year is that there’s NO DOUBT about whose team it is, JJ…PERIOD!!! he’s the leader and man is he leading!! i won’t dis AL, and for all i’ve read and seen he seemed like he was a pro’s pro while in a HAWKS uni. but he could/did not lead by example on the defensive end. so with him back to ‘winning’ in INDY, NOW the cats have to follow JJ’s lead. and we all know he brings it in EVERY aspect of the game!! the team is ALL THE BETTER in a number of ways since AL’s departure.

and CLYDE, looks like we are singin’ the SAME tune on SALIM!! and reading about what you guys say, with him pouting on the bench, not celebrating that RIDICULOUS SLAM by JS, then i REALLY say, MOVE HIM BEFORE IT GET’S ANY WORSE!!! WOODSON had to deal with his attitude last year and suspended him. so move him NOW!! PLUS SALIM should bring some added value in a trade, whether it be in a player, pick, or cash!! at this point i would much rather see IVEY in line for any SALIM minutes, with SALIM’s salary having been used for signing the BIG GREEK!!! prima donnas from college that somehow think they get the SAME pass in the pros when their total game ain’t all of that, just don’t sit well with me. he shoulda been workin’ on his handles and defense back at AZ. ok…at least his handles!!!LOL

GO HAWKS!!!

By mykhalc

November 11, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

and another thing…PHO is signing EVERYBODY these days!!! send SALIM back to AZ!! D’ANTONI’s got PT for all cats that can run, shoot , and NOT PLAY D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

By Steve T

November 11, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

I like what I am seeing thus far. The hawks have finally found a way to win close games this season. This was the Hawk’s Achilles heel last season as they lost countless of close games down the stretch. They are much improved in that area, and this may make a tremendous difference this year.

They also have improved on the defensive end. The defense will help keep them afloat until the young guys get better.

Talking about young players. I love what I am seeing out of Shelden this season. I had always believed that he was very similar to Elton Brand. He is starting to it a high percentage of his shoots and he can be very close to perfect on field goals. He will become a tremendous rebounder and shot blocker. This is the type of play that we need from our power forward.

There is one thing that I would like to see. I love love to see us get a big man that could take over in the low post because teams will look to double team JJ. If we can’t get a big man, then I would settle for a point guard that can drive to the basket. A move or two could turn this team into NBA champions

By doc

November 11, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

lasch thanks man, ill tip one for you tonight as well.

aj. now you are to be the voice of reason aka vor. dude enjoy what it is.

By G Money

November 11, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

JohnD, you were absolutely correct. I didn’t think about that until I started running errands for the day. You did get leftovers…

As for tonight, Reese, you hit it on the head with the bench playing a major role. I’m hoping they will also be a little tired. But since Charlotte didn’t beat them down, be prepared for a tough fight. Allen and JJ will go back and forth with Allen running off a lot of screens. JSmith will be called upon to carry a big load once again and shut down their #2 scorer. I believe we’ll have an advantage down low and with Chills. (I can’t even believe I’m sayin that the Hawks might have an edge down low)

Steve T, they do push the ball opportunistically since they’ve been on the winning streak.

By GuyFromUruguay

November 11, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

First, I’m really happy for the fans, it’s amazing and I hope the Hawks can keep it up… after last year, it’s weird not to have much to complain about!!

So I guess I had to pick on Josh, but he’s been doing very well, as some point out on the defensive end and his 3-point improvement is very good to the Hawks to add another weapon and a needed skill (I do understand it’s very important in the modern game).I hope it means he’ll get opportunities to drive to the basket, or more open looks if he keeps being underrated in that aspect of play.

I do think that Seattle can be beat, I suspect the difference maker could be to abuse the advantage Zaza should have (and JJ continuing his MVP play), and guarding their perimeter players, especially Rashard Lewis and Ray Allen of course (Will those assignments fall to Josh Smith & Bozeman?)

By mykhalc

November 11, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

is SPEEDY active tonite???

By Samuel

November 11, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Watch out for Big G tonight. He was activated to replace Sene.

By Chris

November 11, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

I was watching the game last night and I realized that it was the same 5 guys on the court from last year but they weren’t settling for jumpers and letting the other team come right down the lane. If the same team from last year with minimal contributions from the off season acquisitions makes it to the playoffs, I think the Hawks off season psychiatrist is due a big raise.

By Wedgie Evans

November 11, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

For every point Salim scores, he gives up 3. This is why he doesn’t play. The guy is absolutely clueless on defense, and his shot selection and point guard skills are not nearly good enough to cancel it out. He is a one-dimensional player, period. I have felt ever since we drafted him that he would be better on an established playoff team like the Spurs or Nuggets, where he could just play 15-20 minutes and concentrate on the one thing he’s good at. If you have a Tim Duncan or Marcus Camby down low you can afford to have a bad perimeter defender out there for a while. But on a team like Atlanta, there is no dominant defensive big guy to back up Salim when he lets his guy past him, and this is also not the kind of team that can afford the turnovers and poor shot selection that Salim brings. Cedric Bozeman’s probably not as offensively talented as Salim, but he is way ahead of him in terms of basketball IQ. Woodson’s consistently shown that he wants guys who understand the game well on the floor, which is why Salim is on the bench.

By Wedgie Evans

November 11, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

For tonight’s game, Childress and Bozeman are gonna have to play a huge role. In my opinion Chills is our best on the ball perimeter defender, and he is gonna have to get in Ray Allen’s face today. We can’t have Joe Johnson guarding Allen for extended periods of time, JJ needs to conserve his energy for the offensive end. J-Smoove’s gonna have to lock down the taller Rashard Lewis on the perimeter too. If we can limit the 3 point shots from those two, we should have a good chance of winning the game.

By John D.

November 11, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

G Money,

You are a gentleman.

You are also correct about the inside advantage the Hawks should have tonight and the best part is Shelden is the oldest player we will use in there except for Lorenzen Wright. The rest are 22 or younger. Pretty amazing.

By ray

November 11, 2006 09:52 PM | Link to this

We knew that next loss was coming sooner or later. I knew Seattle would be tough, they have some veterans led by one of the most dangerous 2-guards in the league in Ray Allen. Wilcox beat everybody on the boards and the final shot? A Ray Allen layup. Yeah, we were in the game the whole time, and didn’t have trouble scoring. But, as the score would indicate, defense was a problem. Lesson learned, I hope. Nobody is a pushover, especially out West. The good news is Bozeman is playing well, not committing turnovers. And Chills is marvelous off the bench. Our team rebounding is decent, too. Gotta learn from this and move on. Who’s next?

By Clyde

November 11, 2006 09:53 PM | Link to this

790 the zone sucks. The Hawks need to change stations.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By A Thinking Fan

November 11, 2006 10:01 PM | Link to this

Go Hawks! Tired legs on those 3pt. shots - get some rest Hawks!!!

By Astro Joe

November 11, 2006 10:20 PM | Link to this

Doc, here’s my concern. Many of us are used to analyzing the heck out of football games. Only a few a season and we have a whole week to dissect every play, coaching decision and ref call. So what I am trying to warn against is an 82-game dissection that has us riding a wicked roller-coaster. Its one thing to make predictions off 1 of 12 games (college) or 1 of 16 NFL games. Its a whole different craziness to render a verdict with a sample of 1 of 82 games. So call me the VOR if you choose. Just trying to keep the regular bloggers off the multiple high blood pressure meds that I must take. Speaking of which, time to pop some pills.

By doc

November 11, 2006 10:30 PM | Link to this

vor or aj. agree, what do they say about analysis? something abot paralysis?

By reese

November 11, 2006 10:56 PM | Link to this

Clyde, I don’t understand how a sport franchise can be happy with the coverage they are receiving for their team. No TV coverage, a radio station that can’t be received outside of the perimeter and the radio’s website live coverage doesn’t work.

I’ve yet to see a recap posting on NBA, ESPN or AJC websites. Right now I have to go with Ray’s recap. Anyone else who was at the game have any other insight.

Based on the boxscore, it looks like Ray Allen is still an all star caliber player, they blocked a lot of our shots (Looks like Childress’ block shot streak came to an end), caused more turnovers and yet it was a close game.

For those of you at the game, did Joe Johnson lead the team in rebounds because Seattle shooters were taking long 3pt shots and therefore there were long rebounds from missed shots.

Also, looks like the rotation was cut short to 8 players for the hawks. I guess I was right about the bench being the key. They played 4 off the bench and we played 3.

By Clyde

November 11, 2006 11:56 PM | Link to this

Reese yesterday the Hawks game was bumped off 790 the zone for Ga Tech basketball! When they were on 750 they would get bumped for Georgia basketball. Its hard to build a fn base like that. And this was one of the biggest games of the year and I could not watch it on television.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By reese

November 12, 2006 12:23 AM | Link to this

Clyde, actually, its a good thing when they get bumped off the air on 790 the zone for a college game. Thats when 102.5 FM will air the game and it is very clear.

By Wedgie Evans

November 12, 2006 01:17 AM | Link to this

I was at the game today, and even though we didn’t win, I was pretty impressed with the effort on the 2nd game of a back-to-back. Started off slow but after the half they really played pretty well. Zaza and Childress in particular were bringing it. I was yelling my a* off at Josh Smith though, there was no reason why he needed to take 10 3’s — on many of those bricks he threw up from long range he could have driven inside and drawn a foul. Especially against a team like Seattle, whose best shotblocker is a foul-prone French 2nd-year player, there was no reason why J-Smoove should have settled for perimeter shots so often. Someone’s gotta get on his a* in practice and tell him to take it to the rim every time.

By JohnD

November 12, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

Ray Allen was too good. Everyone knew he would have the ball and we could not, or did not, stop him. Took it all the way to the basket too many times to remember and we had no big there to even challenge the lay in.

Rashard Lewis was given the ball at the end of regulation and the Hawks held but in OT the ball went through Allen on every posession. The Hawks tried every possible defender at one time or another - JJ, JS, JC - and he beat them all because there was no second line of defense.

Ridnour, Lewis and Wilcox all played well and after Petro was exposed as unable to stop Zaza he was on the bench. We actually lost the game to their big men even though Allen and Lewis did the scoring. Collison and Fortson outplayed our guys on the boards and on defense.

By HB Ando

November 12, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

Wedgie called it out, and it needs to be said again: Josh Smith taking 10 three-pointers is a huge red flag, and confirms my worst fears about the player he aspires to be. The coaching staff has to put the reins on that young man, before he becomes Antoine Walker. 3 for 10 is crap. I’m happy his outside shot is improving, but when 1 out of every 8 shots (10 out of 84 total) the Hawks take, for the game, is a 3-pointer launched by the guy who may be the fifth-best 3-point shooter on the team, then “Houston we have a problem”.

With Swift out, and Petro and Sene not ready for prime time, Seattle may be the only team that has less interior presence than last years’ Hawks. So at least five of those 3’s should have been a pump-fake and a drive to the basket. That would have meant a dunk or a layup, or a lay-off pass for a teammate to do either. When Ray Allen or Lewis, or Johnson take an open three, it’s a good shot. When Josh Smith takes ten of them, it’s settling, and it’s playing to the advantage of the opposing defense. With Collison and Wilcox, neither of whom is a shot blocker, manning the middle, Smith should be attacking the basket every touch.

The numbers are clear: 30% on his 3’s and 60% inside the arc. Trade a couple/five of the errant 3’s, for a drive to the basket, twice as likely to go in, and a couple of “and 1’s”, and the Hawks win. Quit playing for yourself, Josh Smith, and start playing for this team.

Play to your strengths, not your weaknesses. There is a difference between being a “stat” player and an effective one. Just ask Antoine Walker. And ask your coaches if they believe that the other team is happy and relieved when you settle for 10 three-pointers. They will tell you the truth (as coaches, he shouldn’t have to ask them, to hear it, either). It would be a crying shame to see the next Shawn Marion turn into the next Antoine Walker. But if you do, I guess you’ll be playing somewhere else in a few years, so the Hawks fans shouldn’t worry too much. Waaaaay too much athletic ability to focus on being a one-dimensional Peja. Ten 3’s?! Please.

By Clyde

November 12, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

Reese that didn’t happen last night. 102.5 had jazz night or something last night.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By ray

November 12, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

Well, Ando, if he continues thusly, we have our great trade bait. Somebody will love to have him, whether he seems like a more athletic Walker or not. That’s as objective as I can be about the situation. If a player wants to play for himself, then forget the family stuff and work it to our best business advantage. Having said that, and keeping it on the back burner, I hope he becomes a better all-around player that we can enjoy for years and years. I’d hate to see him go. If he can learn better decision-making, he’ll be fine. Seattle’s big men aren’t shot blockers, as has been mentioned. But they can still beat you down low. The way to beat them is for guys like Smith to attack the basket and cause them to get into foul trouble. That gets them put on the bench for extended periods of time, giving our big men a break. When your toughest guys are Collison, Wilcox, and Fortson, what do you have to go to on the bench? Practically nothing..but this is all hindsight. Like I said, lesson learned, I hope, and let’s get after the next squad we face.

Ando, I tell you one thing. A long standing prediction of yours is on the cusp of revelation. If Marvin returns in fine fashion, it will be the determination of a lot of things. He can hit the outside shot with no problem. If his game is truly inside-outside, watch out. I still don’t see him as the power forward type, but what do I know. We might end up with our own Chris Bosh.

By ray

November 12, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

Clyde, maybe you should add another t-shirt to your line: FIRE WHOEVER THE HELL IS MAKING THE DECISIONS ON RADIO BROADCASTS.

By Hawk's Sunday Coach

November 12, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

I was down on Hawks coaching staff at end of last year. We are seeing a different team/attitude this year and that is encouraging. One of the little things I am seeing this year is a willingness of the defense to step-up to the ball when helping. Last year they were stepping back as the offense came at them. This is a suble aspect of the game that translates into the aggression a team must bring to the game. A key point is that a step-up to the ball does not require more energy, but forces an offense out of its rythm and into making a different decision. Assistant Coach Greg Ballard was well schooled in this by Dick Harter. If the Hawks can continue to improve team defense they will be there come playoff time!

By doc

November 12, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

ando for a long time we have made the point that when josh jacks threes the team loses. he did have good numbers friday so he reverts to the long ball. it reminds me of a certain ss the braves had who just needed to get on but when he would hit one out accidently all of a sudden he went to the long stroke the next few games.

if my math is correct it was 28 threes in 84 shots or 3 in 8, way too many and suggests either impatience, poor guard play or poor movement on offense. didnt see the game but hopefully it will come out in the tapes and pointed out by the coaches.

two good games coming up this week with deep front lines.

By mykhalc

November 12, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

ANDO, RAY, DOC…dead on-point about JSMITH. it’s time for WOODY to step in and be a no non-sense coach now. pull him immediately if he starts that crappy shot selection in the next game. like you guys said, it’s great that his outside shot is improving but take the ball to the hole DAMN IT!!!

i think when MARVIN returns, and with his ball skills, he will mostly be placed in the 4 spot. his game is ready to be tested down low!! he’s got the handles and the touch to develop a great post game. does he want to bang??? we’ll find out soon!! my guess is, YES!!

i also think SPEEDY, when he returns, will have an impact on where JSMITH starts to get the ball. MARVIN will be probably become the second scoring option with ZAZA being the 3rd. so maybe the lack of touches for JS will have a positive effect on his shot selection??!! let’s hope so. way toooo much potential to be camped out at the 3pt line!!

By JohnD

November 12, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

The easy explanation for the loss is the poor free throw shooting.

Good defense is taking the opponent out of their offense and Seattle did just that. Josh Smith took the ball to the hoop early off the dribble. Joe Johnson was not in rhythm and did not shoot well the entire game and Seattle took away his attmpts to go to the hoop late in the game. The double teams left players, primarily JS, open on the perimeter and jumpers were the result.

The mistakes will be apparent on tape even if not during the play of the game and if the team learns from the loss then it is just one game out of 82. If they do not learn the Hawks will be a better version of last year when if they had to shoot the ball better than normal to win.

The upside is the Hawks almost won a game in which they played poorly on offense, made some bad decisions, were miserable from the free throw line and were outplayed by average big men.

By coolchris

November 12, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

you’re right on target JohnD. I was at the game and the hawks had a chance to add to their fan base with a sold out home win. There will be bumps in the road of an improving team. GO HAWKS…

By coolchris

November 12, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

You are right on target JohnD.

By reese

November 12, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Clyde, the game was on 790 the zone last night and thats why it wasn’t on 102.5. The problem is that no one can hear 790 the zone.

I saw the last play by Ray Allen on NBA TV highlights and I could not tell who were the big men on the floor for the hawks. All I could see was that ray allen went by Josh Childress and Josh Smith came to help. However, he was not sure if Ray was going to continue for the layup or take the short jumper. Josh jumped off of two feet and could not jump high enough to get the floater. Even if Ray had missed the shot, the short Tyronne lue was not in position to grab the in front of the taller seattle offensive player.

IMO, Josh Smith should be the small forward on that play and we should have another shot blocker and rebounder in the game.

This is where I have a problem with the Lorenzen Wright pickup. He can’t score, he doesn’t rebound well and he has not blocked a shot this year. Now, when you need a defensive presense, he is on the bench. What a waste of a roster spot.

As far as Josh Smith goes, I don’t really have a problem with him taking open shots in the midst of the game. If they happen to be 3 pt shots take them. The key is that he took 20 shots and I don’t really mind if 50% of those shots are 3pts. I would be concerned if all of his shots were 3 point shots and he made no attempts at driving to the lane or taking short jumpers.

By David Bell

November 12, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

Did u see salims stats as a rookie? He played great in my mind for a rookie. 63 games, 19 minutes a game, 9 points a few assits and a few rebounds with not that many turovers, and a few steals. TO say he is a bad defender, is false, i think he doesnt match up that great is more like it.

I think if woodson would have put him in against the Sonics, The hawks win that game in regulation, without a doubt.. I just dont get it, i do think he has some mturing to do still, but i think we all would be so frustrated if we were in his shoes. He just has to learn how to deal with it a little better. Forget the Money, it is the love for the game that he is p** about it, He rather get paid 400,000 dollars and start then get paid two million and sit on the bench. Woodson doesnt like him as a person i feel.. And he is the boss, But as far as talent, he is the best shooter you got withotut doubt… Kid just needs a shot.

By jhan

November 12, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

JohnDis right on the money. Free throw shooting is why we lost. Ray Allen had a little to do with that too. Josh Smith was right in his face on several of his shots and he hit nothing but net. What a performance.

By mavid

November 12, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this

yeah, FT shooting killed us more than anything else.

Smoove does need to drive to the hoop more often, but here’s the problem: he is NOT a good ball handler. He is EXTREMELY one-handed. Whether or not he fulfills his potential as the “next” Marion will depend on 2 main things: improving his shot even more than he already has and REALLY improving his ball-handling. Until he becomes a better ball handler, his offensive potential will not be realized.

I expect big things from Marvin when he comes back. Dude really can shoot and handle the ball. Not only that, but he’s VERY unselfish. The fact that we’ve been playing well without 2 of our legit starters (speedy and marvin) bodes well for later in the season when people are back and healthy.

A very interesting and important question now is what to do with salim. He’s too valuable to just waste away on the bench. But with lue and bozeman looking good, and chill playing big minutes, his playing time will remain limited. My own thoughts are that salim will be a good NBA player for someone, he just doesnt fit our team. So, wait till marvin gets back, and if marvin is playing the way i expect him to, chill will also be somewhat expendable.

Salim and Chill together in a trade package should be able to get us something pretty good, what yall think?

By Astro Joe

November 12, 2006 07:46 PM | Link to this

This is not me defending Josh Smith. I am his original critic from day 1 (still wish Jameer Nelson were here). Anyway, I listened to most of the second half of the Seattle game. It sounded like he stayed out on the perimeter and got several open looks. Teams are challenging him to bury the deep shot. He must have missed 3-4 in the 4Q alone and finally hit 2 in OT. As much as I want to blame Smith, some of the balme must be put on Woody. He simply did not use his depth during this back-to-back situation. In a higher scoring game like this, Freije and Salim should have gotten some run. Both JJ and Smith took the easy way out with far too many 3-pointers. They had no legs to finish those shots not the strength to drive and face the punishment down low. Bottom line, we got out-coached by Seattle and out-clutched by Ray Allen.

And everyone who points to Smith’s poor ball handling is right. But isn’t that something he could be working on in the off season? In today’s NBA, is there really a valid excuse for being a poor ball handler, especially when you call yourself a SF? Oh yeah, I forgot, he’s only 21. Dribbling the ball is a skill developed somewhere between 25-27.

By Samuel

November 12, 2006 08:00 PM | Link to this

Reese,

You don’t have a problem with 50% of his shots being 3pt shots. Are you serious. That would be bad shot selection for even Larry Bird. No excuse. Smith should only use the outside shot to bring his defender out and make his drive to the hoop easier.

Nobody should shoot half of their shots from outside the arc. Nobody.

Time for Shaq vs. Yao.

By JohnD

November 12, 2006 08:18 PM | Link to this

I would not like to see Josh Childress traded, he is far too valuable to this team. Many tangibles and intangibles.

Some of Josh Smith’s shot selection goes to the offensive scheme. JJ is running and dribbling off a series of picks and looking to penetrate. Often the penetration is jammed by the defense and he appears to look for Josh on the perimeter when there is nothing inside. Seattle did en excellent job of taking away the inside on JJ and the 3’s from JS were the result.

At the beginning of the game JS took the ball inside several times for scores but Seattle adjusted. Same thing with Zaza. Once Petro left the game Seattle did a better job of sealing Zaza off the dribble.

By jhan

November 12, 2006 09:51 PM | Link to this

How about this from Foxsports:

Given their go-go style of play, there’s only one current player who could perfectly complement Nash and make the Suns a legitimate contender. Someone who can create his own shot, score points by the dozen, run, bury 3-balls, pass and even play defense.

It’s Joe Johnson.

By reese

November 12, 2006 09:51 PM | Link to this

Samuel, the game has changed since you and I played. The 3pt shot is a normal part of the game and taller players have permission to take that shot. I would have loved to have played with a 3 point line, but I pre-date that period.

The games that I have seen and JohnD says the same thing happened with Seattle, Joe Johnson is either penetrating into the lane or he is posting up like a big man. Joe is unselfish and looks for the open man. Several times it happens to be Josh Smith who is open beyond the 3pt line. The lane is packed and teams are giving him the shot.

These are designed plays called by Mike Woodson. The key is that we don’t want to take aways Joshes aggression on the offensive end. Speedy can’t make that shot, Bozeman is not agressive yet, Childress would rather chase loose balls, get putbacks or get passes underneath. Zaza and Joe are packed in the paint.

JohnD, I didn’t see your 2:18 post until now. I agree with the freethrow misses assessment. I can’t believe I missed that discrepency.

By mavid

November 12, 2006 10:26 PM | Link to this

it’ll be nice to finally have marvin out there shooting some of these 3s off JJ’s kickouts… sigh, 3-4 more weeks??

By JohnD

November 12, 2006 10:34 PM | Link to this

I hope all of you are right on Marvin but I did not see anything in the 3 preseason games I attended to indicate Marvin is ready to be the 2nd option.

By mykhalc

November 12, 2006 11:00 PM | Link to this

JOHND, appreciate the post and the insight you are bringin, especially since you are attending the games.

REESE, i’m gonna have to echo SAMUEL’s post. i have a hard time with someone havin’ 50% of their shots comin’ from 3pt land, especially JS. RAY ALLEN doesn’t/didn’t even have that kinda percentage!! again, i’m ALL for him improvin’ his jump shot but at this point of his development his shot selection should be better. an OPEN 3pt shot is NOT always a good shot!! if the penetration is not there, and there is still time on the shot clock, then back it out call somethin’ else, and create a BETTER shot.

the team is gonna have some growin’ pains. i think most of us just don’t want bad habits to start creepin’ in on a regular basis!!!

for the record, JCHILLS is not goin’ anywhere, IMHO!!! GO HAWKS!!!

By mavid

November 13, 2006 12:02 AM | Link to this

i saw marvin a lot playing at UNC… he CAN be a viable 2nd scoring option. Can create for himself, can knock down open shots and 3s, is an above average passer who is very unselfish, can get to the rim, etc… i think marvin averaging 15-17 ppg is pretty realistic.

im pumped that we are playing well without him. we’ll be all that much better when he comes back.

By G Money

November 13, 2006 05:11 AM | Link to this

Mykalc, I agree on the JSmith deal. Way too many outside the arc even if that’s the scheme. How about taking a step in and finding your range so that you can bury the jumper?

Hey, I haven’t been seeing Batista on the box scores nor have I heard anything about him. Is he still around??

Golden State seems to be the truth as well this year. After the Hornets got off to a 4-0 start they have lost 3 straight I believe. Let’s hope the Hawks can win against a tough Bucks team. How do you slow Redd down?

By Samuel

November 13, 2006 06:41 AM | Link to this

Reese,

Still the same game my friend. You win inside out. It’s on the coach to “curtail” all these 3pt attempts. The percentages are not worth that extra point. Step in 3 or 4 feet and watch your percentages go up. Wheather it’s the NBA,NCAA, High School or Church league. You live by the 3pt jump shot, you will ultimately Die by the 3 pointer.

Yall might want to check out our local Fantasy League Standings. Tupelo Hustle is about to make this thing A Wrap before the allstar break.

Come on Guys, “Yall are better than that”

By doc

November 13, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this

samuel you will be missing me by all star break with no one there to keepyou on your a game.

memphis is in trouble folks as they finally broke up the team that billy built this past year beginning with the trade of battier during the draft. yeah they are without their big guy but they are streaking down before he even gets back. they dont even looke competitive. doesnt look like the usual west fratello type of record. check gay’s numbers for last night and feel fortunate he was a swing man that got away.

By John D.

November 13, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

I believe Marvin can be the 2nd option. I just have not seen that explosiveness or consistency yet. He is still young.

Batista has been on the inactive list.

Bozeman may be a nice surprise. He was not as impressive in the preseason as he has been lately.

Lo Wright will give what he has, post defense and rebound, and some toughness.

By Samuel

November 13, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

G Money,

You may wanna check my predictions before the season started on GS. It was a match made in Hoops heaven. The fastest team in the league with the Guru of “Run and Gun”Nelly. A no brainer. BDiddy headed for the ALLSTAR game where he should be and my boy Monte from where else. That MI(crooked letter, crooked letter)I(crooked letter, crooked letter)I(humpback,humpback)I.

By A Thinking Fan

November 13, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

The 3s are a result of mental fatigue and no legs. JJ will adjust. JJ has adjusted before and he’ll make the necessary adjustments in the future. It was their 1st. back-to-back games this year. I’m thankful JJ is the Hawks’ leader and not Clyde (LOL).

By tb

November 13, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Don’t make lame excuses. Seattle was also on a back to back. Anybody can lose on any night in the NBA. And we lost for many of the above mentioned reasons.

Smoove has done well to improve his shooting, but if he doesn’t undersand that his game is more inside than out, then he and Woody are in for a long season.

If we want to be a twenty something threes a game team, why is our best shooter yet to launch one?

C’mon Woody, it’s time to sieze the moment.

The NBA is a very competitive place and time is a luxury.

Games just warming up in Fantasy. C U soon

By G Money

November 13, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

Samuel, I recall you mentioning GS. I wasn’t a believer then. I pikced them to be one of the teams that the Hawks could beat with just a bit of effort. Now it looks like it will take a lot of effort.

John D, thanks for the update on Batista. As for Bozeman, I posted on him early in camp. He has a pedigree. When he entered UCLA they were calling him the second coming of Magic. A few years and knee surgeries later, he is finding his groove. He has always been able to do it all. And you know he was well-coached.

By the way, how many weeks before marvin suits up?

By Dgrvly

November 13, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

I was at the Sonics-Hawks game sat. night and what a crowd. Soldout and loud, best crowd I’ve ever seen in person for a Hawks game! Everybody was really into it from halfway through the 4th quarter on. Really glad to see the Hawks competing like they are right now. Tough loss, but great game. Let’s Go Hawks!

By doc

November 13, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

gmoney, lets not expect too much from marvin just because he is in a uni and young. it will take him at least 2 to 3 weeks from the time he hits the floor to begin to display what he was trying to show in the preseason. it is a different tempo from practice and no way can he be ready as soon as he gets back. the injury will effectively cost him a third of the season of playing full strength at least.

jhan it is about time that someone nationally ponies up about what the suns threw away for so little. heh heh tell me they havent spent more than they would have to have given him the money right from the start.

By doc

November 13, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

when the kid earns the title j smash he moves to the elite class. the j smoove stuff is for tiny rappers that sing and cruise around looking big not acting it.

ando, aj when will they listen to us.

By dbell

November 13, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

WHEN IS SALIM GOING TO GET PLAYING TIME TO PROVE HIMSELF? SPEEDY HURT U WOULD THINK HE WOULD GET SOME PLAYING TIME? NOW SPEEDY ON IS WAY BACK IS GONNA LEAVE SLIM RIDING PINE. YOUR COACH SUCKS. I HATE WOODSON, GOOD ASSISTANT HORRIBLE HEAD COACH.. BRING IN A BIG NAME AND U WILL SEE BETTER RESULTS, THE TALENT IS A PLAYER OR TWO AWAY FROM BEING A PLAYOFF WINNER… AND A COACH..