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By NJ HAWK

August 2, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this

Another summer long Hawks trade saga. This time though you gotta give BK props.He stood his ground and now maybe we will get some talent in return for Al.

By billy

August 2, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

From the Denver Post:

Atlanta Hawks forward Al Harrington is expected to fire his agent Andy Miller, according to a source. Harrington had been expected to be involved in a sign-and-trade deal with Indiana. Once he hires a new agent, likely to be Arn Tellem, the bidding on Harrington is expected to start over. The Nuggets are expected to be among the teams interested if that happens. They would likely need to be involved in a sign-and-trade to make it work from a financial standpoint. …

By Tyger

August 2, 2006 08:25 PM | Link to this

The Hawks started the summer with two objectives: 1. Trade Harrington and 2. Sign BIGS. So far, they havent done either. Multiple reasons why…Brokeback Belkin for one screwed everything up for awhile, but they shouldve seen that coming, no excuse. And drafting Shelden and Solomon werent disasters but not direct answers to our BIG problem. I commend BK on the Harrington issue, no need in getting screwed…he many not say much, but he has managed his budget and improved our roster, so I trust him on personnel issues. However, we are on the clock…other teams arent hamstrung like us and sooner or later resolve to fix their roster problems. For example:

B.Wallace - Chicago Nene- Denv Pryzbilla - Port Elson - SA Butler - SA Nazr - Det McGloire - Port Tyson - NO J. Collins - Utah

Now whats really left? Undesirable contracts obtained in a Harrington freefall? I say not, stick to your guns…get picks for the future and cash…fill short term needs with whats available on the market.

Olowokandi 9.0ppg 7.0rb 1.5blk L.Wright 9.5ppg 7.0rb 0.8blk K.Cato 5.7ppg 5.6rb 1.3blk M.Ely 5.6ppg 3.5rb 0.7blk J.Voskuhl 4.5ppg 3.9rb 0.4blk

Lets not be stupid folks…we no nothing about this guys attitude or motivation. All we know is he’s an overall #1 pick who probably was taken to high because of his size. He didnt live up to everyone’s expectations but his actual production is better than any options left and moreover, better than many of the guys signed above to much better money.

By Tyger

August 2, 2006 08:36 PM | Link to this

Sign Olowokandi 7-1, 270, true center, while we still can. Get picks cash for Harrington. We need pieces, not saviors, there’s no Shaq out there, sign/trade or not, just overpriced problems.

Nigh to Kenyon Martin, nay to Camby, nomas to Murphy, why should we pay off their bloated injury prone contracts?

Sign former #1 overall Kandi man, save money, he can back up ZaZa or maybe he sees the light and busts his butt for major minutes, erstwhile Shelden and Solomon get ready, and later we draft or sign someone really big and talented next year.

Look at his numbers: theyre better than ZaZa

By Get Better

August 2, 2006 08:38 PM | Link to this

Sekou -

Would you please comment on the following:

1) Regarding “…what the Hawks want and are willing to take back” does any other team have a collection of ‘exceptions’ that the Pacers do? If not, then given it would still seem that Indy is the most logical destination for ‘baby Al’ (his Indy nickname - no slight intended). Do you agree?

2) I find it interesting that you did not mention GS among teams that may re-engage. Is this because they view Murphy as a ‘given’ for a S&T with the Hawks?

3) Thanks for not mentioning Philly and AI; the recurring national play of ATL being the ‘logical’ destination is a tired story.

BTW - ownership struggles aside its tough being a Hawks fan when you see them avoid adding legitimate talent (read Foster) via S&T and only wanting cash and a future draft pick (albeit next year’s #1 is slated for PHO.).

Thanks.

By Sekou Smith

August 2, 2006 08:59 PM | Link to this

Get Better -

No one else has the trade exception the Pacers have.

I mentioned the teams above in addition to all the teams that have been mentioned before.

And I won’t even justify the Iverson nonsense.

By HB Ando

August 2, 2006 09:31 PM | Link to this

Tyger, Olowakandi is a top-five NBA dog, who has no interest in playing basketball. He’s right up there is Jerome James as far as tall, lazy dudes, who just don’t give a crap. I doubt very seriously he will play in the NBA in this coming season, as his disposition is universally known. One of the few areas of credit I will give the organization is in not bringing in any players with questionable heart. They’ve got a young, impressionable team, and avoiding guys like these, and Tim Thomas, who showed exactly how good he can be when he tries just a little, while playing for a contract in Phoenix, is maybe the one smart thing I’ve seen them do in the last few years.

By Kevin

August 2, 2006 10:57 PM | Link to this

If we need BIG depth behind Zaza, Smoove and Shelden, go see if Doleac is available and can give us 10-15 minutes. We didn’t even give him a look last time and I think he can hold his own for the 2nd team. I know he is inexpensive as well and he’s behind both Shaq and Zo and sports a championship ring. Other than that, maybe Wright can help in spots. I just don’t like what I have seen from Cato, Olawakandi, Hunter, Blount and Dalembert. We need one more BIG to have a rotation and cover us in the event of injury. I like Camby as well, but I don’t believe he is available. I don’t think we get much for Harrington to help us this year; it is Year 3 of the rebuilding project and if we don’t get into the playoffs, we are looking for draft help in Year 4.

By ray

August 2, 2006 11:23 PM | Link to this

I want to see who’s really hard after Harrington before judging what the best scenarios are. I’m sure some teams and names of those teams’ players will pop up here shortly. Of course, every team interested will have to be in a position of actual need or at least in a very serious “want” as far as Harrington, otherwise we get bottom feeder trash in exchange. Everybody knows they’re going to be dealing with BK, so perhaps they will try to make it a sweet deal up front to speed the action up a little. One thing is almost for sure: Arn Tellem will help get the job done. However, I’m still not holding my breath.

By cowa

August 3, 2006 12:13 AM | Link to this

Sekou, now that Arn Tellem is the new sheriff in town, which of his stable is unhappy and is looking for a new home? This would be the easiest way to make a three way trade to work, as I just don’t see any way a two team trade works unless it’s Indiana, and I don’t know how that will work now.

By dap

August 3, 2006 07:58 AM | Link to this

Let’s just trade Harrington for a draft pick. It would be much better to get a pick than to pick up a bad contract of a marginal player. Then the management should decide on getting a FA center who would be average at best or simply play sheldon and jones at backup center and let them develope. What is the plan?

By billy

August 3, 2006 08:42 AM | Link to this

Looks like we might not have to wait 2 weeks:

“According to NBA rules, Tellem cannot officially become Harrington’s agent for two weeks after the termination letter was sent to Miller. A trade can be made during that period, however, with the National Basketball Players Association acting on Harrington’s behalf. Tellem still can negotiate the trade and receive a fee for his work.”

By Sekou Smith

August 3, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

That’s why I said everybody rest this weekend and we’ll get back after this Monday morning Billy. The deal could be completed at anytime between now and the end of that two week period. But I imagine Tellem will take a few days and survey the landscape before moving into any more serious discussions. By Monday or Tuesday, however, I expect for this thing to heat up significantly. I just want this thing to beat the Aug. 19 deadline - it’s my unofficial deadline which stems from last summer’s Joe Johnson’s deal. But I don’t think there is any way we’re waiting two weeks for this deal to get done.

By URB

August 3, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

Never been a Hawk fan and now I see why. Maybe we should have a Lady come on and run the team. Obviously you men can’t seem to work well together. Management is laughable, the players are qusetionable, and the fans are forced to pay to watch dismal basketball. News flash. You have about 10 guys that play the same position. What good is Joe Johnson if the point guard can’t run and set him up like Nash or either of the too many Josh’s you have. I got 2 words. Chris Paul.

By newkid

August 3, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

I’m admittedly partial (have been since seeing him shine against our best high school players back in April/May, then mentioning his name here), but I’d be thrilled if early next week there’s a deal between Atlanta and Seattle that involves us getting Saer Sene and cash (and/or an ‘07 pick) for Al. Indeed he’s another young and raw kid, but he’s also extremely long (probably longest in the league), has athleticism not commonly seen in 7-footers, and has superb basketball-type instincts. He’s probably not even remotely close to being ready to give us 25-30 minutes per game in relief of Zaza, but for the 10-15 minutes per night that he’s on the court there wouldn’t be very many lay-ups against the Hawks. He’s inexpensive, and doesn’t come with baggage. Allow him to learn behind Zaza for a year or so, physically mature into his frame, and in a couple of years he’s gonna be one of most coveted defensive post men in the league.

Not sure how Al would feel about the prospect of playing in Seattle, but he, Ray Allen, and Rashard Lewis just might complement each other rather well.

By Gutz

August 3, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

URB, you obviously have no idea what your talking about so don’t even bother coming onto this board. Questionable players? Do you even know who is on the team? Last time I checked JJ, Marvin, both Josh’s, and Zaza are not questionable by any means. JJ is a star dude! Marvin and Josh Smith will be superstars as well. Were the youngest team in the NBA and our players are still developing. The management does suck though that is about one thing your right about. But the team is on the rise thats for sure!

By HB Ando

August 3, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

I remember thinking about rumors that Tellem might be steering Shelden here, and wondering if that gave us any currency with him. Here was the post:

By HB Ando

June 26, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

OK, here’s a fresh conversation for us (for once in the last several months): We’ve been predicting that the Hawks will have an nearly impossible time getting free agents to join the franchise, given the uncertainty of ownership and what that uncertainty does for a commitment to winning. So Arn Tellem is the agent for both Roy and Shelden, and if you read between the lines of this quote, I see an opportunity for Billy that I can only hope he is leveraging:

“An ironic twist to this trade would be the fact that both Roy and Williams are represented by the same powerful agent, Arn Tellem of Wasserman Media Group, who has become notorious for getting his clients drafted by the teams that he wants them at. The best example of that would be Tellem giving up guaranteed money in the short term and steering Kobe Bryant to the Los Angeles Lakers in 1996. DraftExpress.com”

The question is whether Billy is then getting Tellem to steer a much-needed free agent client here. Joe, here’s where you can earn your stripes. Who does Tellem represent, that is a free agent, that would fit a need here in Atlanta? I mean wouldn’t the conversation go something like, “OK, Arn, we’ll make this happen. We can use Shelden here. But we need you to bring us some additional pieces to make this roster complete this summer. Help us get Shelden some more help on the court. We’re committed, but we need some help here.”

I would then further assume that Tellem is reaching out to Belkin, to make sure he’s got his ear, in case of a rapid turnover of the franchise occurs. I mean that would be the smart move. Get in discussions with BK about some of you guys, but make sure that Belkin would be on board if he takes over sooner than later. If you’re Tellem, your help earns you tremendous sway with this franchise, regardless of its final ownership, because you came to help when everyone else is treating you like a leper. Now there’s a truly speculative scenario.”

So, and especially if Williams really is going to struggle (you owe us big time, Arn), does Al taking Tellem on assist us in building the roster up some more, before the beginning of the season, or is Joe’s belief that the owners have shut spending down eliminate any real opportunities to be truly competitive this season?

Doc says the Shadow knows. I wish Doc would ask him “What’s up!?”

Speculation on who else is out there, who else might fit, is wasted key tapping if ownership has decided not to spend another penny. And if that’s the case, they’ll get what they have coming at the turnstyles come October. Use it or lose it, fellas.

By newkid

August 3, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

Ando, I do recall your post; a good post it was. The thought process you advanced (i.e., “OK, Arn, we’ll make this happen. We can use Shelden here. But we need you to bring us some additional pieces…”) could just as well have been advanced last August with the JJ deal. Tellem was/is JJ’s agent and was a driving force in making the deal with Phoenix. If ever there was a situation where a team could have used the ‘assistance’ of a super agent such as Tellem, it was in the aftermath of the blood-letting that took place here in Atlanta after the JJ deal. Wouldn’t you think that, ownership/economics issues notwithstanding, such a conversation could’ve/would’ve/should’ve taken place between the Hawks and Tellem during/after the JJ/Phoenix discussions? If it didn’t occur, why not?

By billy

August 3, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Sekou - that’s good news. Sounds like Arn’s going to Tell’em what to do and he’ll get it done.

Can’t wait for the season to start!

By James

August 3, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

Why don’t you just throw in the Canucks or Dolphins in the list of teams that may be interested in him. They would be just as random as throwing Jersey in there. Why would you think the Nets would be interested in overpaying for a player that plays a position that’s already filled and doesn’t play defense?

By Kappy

August 3, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

interesting revelations guys. where can we get a list of tellem’s clients? let the speculation begin…

By Kappy

August 3, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

also, for anyone who doesnt know, the USA’s first game is tonight at 11pm. i, for one, will be staying up late watching that one. i hope to see JJ get a sniff of playing time. and, i shouldnt even mention it, but PLEASE dont get hurt JJ.

By newkid

August 3, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

Kappy, several fairly good pages available on Tellem. Here’s one: http://www.wmgllc.com/news/tellem-012706.html

Googling Arn Tellem will get you many others.

Good luck.

By Kappy

August 3, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

thanks newkid. it looks like tellem represents jermaine o’neal, tracy mcgrady and pau. Umm, i’ll take any of those guys.

:)

By Astro Joe

August 3, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

Kappy, since Ando reclipped a post asking for my services, here’s my original response with Tellum’s client list:

By Astro Joe

June 26, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

Ando, here is your list of Arn Tellum clients (see anyone who recently became the Hawks premier player?):

Stacey Augmon Brent Barry Jon Barry Jonathan Bender Kwame Brown Jarron Collins Jason Collins Ike Diogu Mike Dunleavy Daniel Ewing TJ Ford Richie Frahm Dan Gadzuric Pau Gasol Eddie Griffin Antawn Jamison Amir Johnson Joe Johnson Dahntay Jones Jason Kapono Mark Madsen Jamaal Magloire Darrick Martin Sean May Tracy McGrady Mike Miller Lamond Murray Ronald Murray Jermaine O’Neal Kendrick Perkins Anthony Roberson Jalen Rose Brian Scalabrine Ha Seung-Jin JR Smith Robert Swift Etan Thomas Tim Thomas Martell Webster

By the way, since I am advocating using the draft as the sole building block for the Hawks this year, let me change my song and predict that Al may very well walk without a S&T. Not because of BK, but because he will not be able to take back comprable salary (due to the ownership nightmare). Maybe, we can pick up some draft picks, but I seriously doubt we will add any players with salaries over $2-3M.

By Astro Joe

August 3, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Kappy, since Ando reclipped a post asking for my services, here’s my original response with Tellum’s client list:

By Astro Joe

June 26, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

Ando, here is your list of Arn Tellum clients (see anyone who recently became the Hawks premier player?):

Stacey Augmon Brent Barry Jon Barry Jonathan Bender Kwame Brown Jarron Collins Jason Collins Ike Diogu Mike Dunleavy Daniel Ewing TJ Ford Richie Frahm Dan Gadzuric Pau Gasol Eddie Griffin Antawn Jamison Amir Johnson Joe Johnson Dahntay Jones Jason Kapono Mark Madsen Jamaal Magloire Darrick Martin Sean May Tracy McGrady Mike Miller Lamond Murray Ronald Murray Jermaine O’Neal Kendrick Perkins Anthony Roberson Jalen Rose Brian Scalabrine Ha Seung-Jin JR Smith Robert Swift Etan Thomas Tim Thomas Martell Webster

By the way, since I am advocating using the draft as the sole building block for the Hawks this year, let me change my song and predict that Al may very well walk without a S&T. Not because of BK, but because he will not be able to take back comprable salary (due to the ownership nightmare). Maybe, we can pick up some draft picks, but I seriously doubt we will add any players with salaries over $2-3M.

By Astro Joe

August 3, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

Sorry for the double post.

Hey Basketball Princess, Where You At?

By mountain_jim

August 3, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

Well Chad Ford is still squarely in the ‘BK sucks’ camp.

“Thursday, August 3, 2006 Summer at a ‘standings’ still

“The Pacers made a couple of solid trades highlighted by the acquisition of Marquis Daniels, but they won’t be dramatically better unless they figure out a way to convince Hawks ownership to defrost GM Billy Knight from his cryogenic freezing chamber (he bought it from Elgin Baylor on eBay) so he’ll agree to sign-and-trade Al Harrington.

Harrington fired long-time agent Andy Miller earlier this week and is reportedly replacing him with Arn Tellem. Tellem seems to hold unusual sway over the Hawks. He convinced them to give away two first-round picks and Boris Diaw for his client, Joe Johnson, last summer and he talked the Hawks into drafting another of his clients, Shelden Williams, very high in the draft.

Right now, the hold up seems to be $3 million. Chump change by NBA standards. The Hawks want the Pacers to pay it as part of the deal. The Pacers feel like they’re already giving up enough (they’re offering their 2007 first-round pick and are willing to take back John Edwards’ salary from Atlanta). Both teams have their side of the story but it’s hard to believe that Atlanta isn’t going to relent.

The Pacers and the Bobcats are the only teams capable of swallowing Harrington’s salary without sending back a player. The Bobcats aren’t interested in Harrington so … what’s the hold up? While the Hawks drag their feet, they’ve been completely immobilized in the free agent market again.” - Chad Ford

By JTO

August 3, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

Tyger- Now lets think about this. Will acquiring a role playing big man via the market or the S&T w/ Al accomplish much if we do it now? In my opinion, NO it would not. With the players that are available it would only give us enough help to take us into mediocrity w/out a playoff birth and prevent us from having a chance at keeping our pick we gave to pheonix (top 3 protected).

First we must ask ourselves if there is any player on the market that will meet our needs for the years to come and forget about next year. Honestly, there is no one left on the market that would add pieces to our puzzle and add a foundation to build on. Yes, by spending extra money on a center such as Olowokandi, Wright, or some other overpayed center we will see improvement next year, but this will only give us instant gratification and a few extra wins next season. Why waste the money on a few extra wins and move into mediocrity. This is why rebuilding takes patience.

I believe the best thing to do is to get a #1 and/or young talent for Al and avoid any unnecessary contracts. This way, we may still have a chance at keeping the 2007 pick we gave to pheonix and allow further assessment for what we will do with Marvin and Josh who could eventually be a problem if they both end up playing the same position. This is just part of rebeuilding. Luckily, our nucleus is very young and we have a couple of years before we can throw in the towel and conclude that we royally screwed up and need to start over again.

i also agree with Doc’s financial analysis from a couple of days ago. It truly isn’t worth spending huge money just yet. Lets continue to see how J-smooth and Marvin develop this season with the help of a point guard to distribute and see if we can get lucky enough to land a top 3 lottery pick for the next season, then we will worry about signing guys like wright, candy, or so-on. there is no need to spend money to head into mediocrity and prevent a stronger draft pick. we will not be a top team next year unless we could add a shaq or Brand (in other words we don’t have a chance. could’t attract a FA agent of that caliber with all the money in the world), so why waste the money?

By JTO

August 3, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

Though i am not a BK supporter from the past, I do think it is good that he is learning from his mistakes and not just throwing things away. He is playing tough with Indiana and not giving them the upper hand. After all isn’t them who needs Harrington. If he continues to play this tough man role in negotiations, Indiana is bound to give in some time. They have the trade exception that must be used this year and they are in desperate need of filling the hole that was left from Artest/Peja leaving. At least it looks as if he is learning from his mistakes. Lets hope he isn’t too conservative do to being afraid of screwing up again.

If he can some how pull this off and end up with a top 3 pick in next years draft, BK could be totally redeemed in my eyes.

By mountain_jim

August 3, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

JTO - Are you saying BK can be redeemed in your eyes if he trades Al for a top 3 pick (not going to happen), or if he is successful at hamstringing the Hawks such that they tank next season and thus keep the JJ 2007 protected pick next year?

By A Thinking Fan

August 3, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

When does the season start? This is soooo boring - rehashing dysfunctional management stuff…

By TonyG

August 3, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

Look, there is NO WAY the hawks will keep that top 3 protected pick they gave to phoenix. the hawks are better than you think buddy. Seriously, with all the time off from missing the playoffs, I doubt everyone was just sitting around. Sekou even said that JJ looked in the best shape he’s ever seen him. Speedy is going to make a HUGE difference. HUGE!!! the importance of this f/a signing has been totally underrated. JSmoove has apparently been doing great according to that interview with JJ, and it’s good to hear that the two of them have such a great chemistry together. The hawks will be fighting for a playoff spot this year, and they just may make it. In case anyone was watching phoenix this year, having a big man isn’t as big a necessity as it used to be. Yes, we still need one, but honestly a team like the Hawks causes nightmarish matchup problems for other teams. Other teams constantly complained of that last year, and the team has only gotten better. Also, I would love to see Salim just break out, if he improves his game he has the chance to be an Iverson-esque type player. That shot of his is just beautiful.

By St. Bernard

August 3, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

If JJ were to get hurt (I pray that doesn’t happen) teams would have to throw about 15 games to be even close to as bad as we will be. You can’t tell me that we’ve improved that much compared to every other team in the league who has improved more. You guys need to step back and compare what we’ve done to what everyone else has done.

By HB Ando

August 3, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

I don’t buy it either, SB, and I’ve articulated in great detail why. But I don’t feel like being called a hater today, so I’m just letting it ride. Proof will be in the pudding as to how much improved this club will be. But if Shelden can’t contribute, and we don’t add another rotation-worthy big, via Al’s trade or FA, then our defense in the paint goes into this year essentially unchanged, and that means lot’s of L’s.

By Astro Joe

August 3, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

If Smith maintains his trajectory and Marvin and Salim can make a reasonable improvement in their play, the team will improve organically. Speedy means that JJ should be more effective offensively. That will help the team. If Shelden can give us 20 minutes a game, that will help Zaza stay fresh and that will help the team. And if Lue and Childress continue to provide solid performance off the bench, the team will have good balance. Now is all of that enough to compete for a playoff spot? I’m hoping that we have a reason to stay optimistic through about 65-70 games this year (as opposed to 10-15 like the past few seasons). Philly stayed in the race until the last few days and ended with 38 wins. If we can get around 35, that keep us in the hunt until the last 10 days. I agree with Ando that the sole addition of Shelden will not be enough to solve the swiss cheese defense from last year. Hopefully, a vet big man (even if it is Lo Wright or Cato) will be added to give us a more experienced defensive goalie. Playoffs? I doubt it. But much like the Thrashers gave their fans excitement until the end last season, I am hoping for something comparable from the Hawks in November.

By jhan

August 3, 2006 07:37 PM | Link to this

The only way we keep our top 3 pick is to get lucky with the ping pong balls. Everyone knows our history with the lottery. Never gonna happen. I heard several times last year that if this team had a true PG we would have won several more games. We have one now so why do people think we will do worse?

By A Thinking Fan

August 3, 2006 08:33 PM | Link to this

Remember a huge part of the defensive problems in the paint was due to poor nose on ball defense with the guards… Speedy should help with that aspect.

By Ken Strickland

August 3, 2006 10:37 PM | Link to this

THINKING FAN, you hit the nail on the head. Putting pressure on the ball also forces teams to take longer getting into their OFF. Also, the interior DEF will improve with individual player development, unity, and familiarity. Allow me to give everyone some food for thought. The Hawks will have to decide, in a couple of yrs, which of their young core of players(MW,SS,JS,JC)they’re going to committ to resigning. The 2 Joshes will be the 1st to become (R)FA. Since they are the only SF listed on the roster, they will probably be resigned. If Shelden develops into the player(PF)BK envisioned when he was drafted at #5, he will likely replace Marvin at PF with Jones as backup. Marvin would then be expendable and very, very valuable as trade bait. If Marvin was a consensus #2 pick last yr, imagine how valuable he’d be with 2yrs of experience(one as a starter). Salim would probably be resigned, especially if he demonstrates some consistent PG skills. Best case senario: we get 1st rd picks in the Harrington & Williams trades and retain our lottery protected pick. That would, potentially, give us 3 lottery picks in 07. Worst case senario: we get nothing for AL, lose the Phoenix pick and hold on to Marvin for another yr before trading him for a pick. That would leave us with 2 1st rd picks in 08. Any combination of the these possibilities would allow the Hawks to acquire what they need without signing any junk players. It only requires patience to make it work.

By Sekou Smith

August 3, 2006 10:57 PM | Link to this

All the talk about the trajectory of Hawks youngsters Josh Smith and Marvin Williams, prompted one thought for me that we’ve neglected to discuss this summer. But one reason, one good reason, the Hawks desire to maintain their salary cap flexibility has to do with upcoming extensions they’ll have to be able to dole out to these aforementioned youngsters (Smith first obviously and Williams in another year, with Childress and Stoudamire in that mix as well). If you’re going to draft young players and plan around them, you better maintain the flexibility to keep them if they develop the way you like. It’s smart business and something I’m sure is on the minds of the people making decisions in Hawksville. It’s something few people have talked about with all the focus on free agency and sign-and-trades, but maintaining their promising young pieces, I would argue, is equally important to adding the right veteran pieces to help this rebuilding process along. Just something to think about as this summer wears on.

By LAJ

August 3, 2006 11:02 PM | Link to this

Ken, have agreed with just about all of your postings except this last one. Marvin will be a Hawk for a long time.

By doc

August 3, 2006 11:11 PM | Link to this

you are so right selou but they also have the perogative to hold a few cards on possibly trading them for draft picks or players or complementing them with true big money free agents besides the fact they are broke or have planned to not go to the max even in the spirit/belkin era.

they still have to go out and get a big player to compliment zaza this year. surely not many expect sheldon to step right in from day one and play significant minutes. as you put it there is a huge difference between college and the pros, just in the toll the body takes from games in a week to the length of the season. we all admire chandler and wish he was a hawk but he has never averaged more than 27 minutes a game in any season. there are very few players that come in in there first year and make huge impact minute wise especially for a big even one so talented and desired as chandler.

sekou, first things first, we need a big to fill out this team! will it be by s&t or a player still left on the free agent market. the shadow knows but he isnt talking to me. if no player in the form of a big comes forward in the next six to eight weeks then we can all sit on our hands, this team aint going no where.

By Kappy

August 3, 2006 11:57 PM | Link to this

Can Joe Johnson help someone? he’s completely dominating this game against puerto rico. what a stud!

we have our #1 for a long time. shame on anyone for dissing our trade for him. best player we’ve seen here since nique.

By cowa

August 4, 2006 12:27 AM | Link to this

Ken, I’ve been thinking about this for a while (hell, Ando brings it up at least once a week) of when push comes to shove and Marvin and Josh can’t continue to start together, who do you move. I have always thought we would move Josh, as Marvin has superstar potential and Josh would be cheaper and therefore easier to move. But I’ve been thinking more and more that maybe, because Josh may give a home town discount to stay where he grew up, Marvin might actually be the one to move. And due to his current relatively low (by NBA standards) salary of $4-7 million over the next couple of years, the only time it would make sense to me to make a move is wehn he is up for restricted free agency, when we could command more back in return. If you moved him while his salary is low, then you won’t get full value in return. I know the owners still have their first dollar made in their respective wallets, but trading him now would make it necessary to receive multiple unprotected 1st round draft picks back, as well as a relatively low salary. I just don’t see that happening.

Now, onto a different topic. Newkid, you mentioned Seattle (specifically Saer Sene) in a possible S&T with us for Al. Saer Sene isn’t going anywhere. I love his potential too, but so does Seattle! If they were to move a big man, they would probably move Swift or Colison. And of course, we would have to take back either Danny Forstan or Chris Wilcox, as they don’t have a trade exception to give to us. If we took Forstan, who only has one year remaining on his contract and is not in Seattle’s plans moving forward, I would look for a draft pick as well, as he is just about the same as a trade exemption to Seattle. Also, Swift is a Tellem client, adding to the appeal. Swift, Forstan and a #1 for Al and a 2nd rounder would be fair. It won’t happen, but it would be a good trade from both sides.

I still believe it’s the same S&T with Indy and signing Cato to a one year deal when it’s all said and done.

By Ken Strickland

August 4, 2006 12:51 AM | Link to this

LAJ, let’s hope you’re right. However, I just don’t see the Hawks holding onto 3PF’s, all becoming (R)FA within a yr of each other. One of the 3PF will likely have to go and Marvin would probably command the most in trade. He could conceivably get us the young athletic BIG needed to get us to the next level. He may not be traded after this season if Shelden doesn’t progress as rapidly as expected. Shelden and Jones would be easier to resign and would likely not cost much more than Marvin alone, especially if he has a breakout season. It would also be economically advantageous to trade Marvin and avoid matching an inevitable FA offer. Then draft the less expensive C we need and use the money saved to resign Shelden and Jones. I really like Marvin and would love to see him reach max potential as a Hawk, but unfortunatly it won’t likely happen.

By mykhalc

August 4, 2006 01:05 AM | Link to this

SS, right with ya on your post about the extensions for the young guns. i mentioned it in the last blog myself (slight pat on the back) LOL and as i said in the last blog, i really do hope that that is what mgmt is positioning thmeselves for!!!??

man, JJ can just flat out ball!! the USA team looks like a TEAM!!! great selections!!

By Ken Strickland

August 4, 2006 01:24 AM | Link to this

COWA, the reason Marvin would likely be traded before Josh is: (1)if the Hawks don’t resign Josh they run the risk of losing Marvin if they don’t/can’t match any FA offer, or overpay if they do. (2)Josh plays SF and his only replacement on the roster is Childress. (3)Josh provides much better DEF, with his shot blocking, although Marvin will likely provide better OFF. (4)with Shelden and Jones the Hawks would be better able to replace Marvin. (5)With JJ being the primary scorer on the team, Josh wouldn’t need the ball as much as Marvin to be effective because he’s a better defender and rebounder.

By HB Ando

August 4, 2006 01:35 AM | Link to this

geez, ken, go to bed. What in the world was the point of drafting Marvin, with Al and Josh already here, if you didn’t think he was the kid to build around. Why pass on Chris Paul?

You know what? I don’t have the energy for this tonight. Spirit, hire Ken, he’s no worse than Billy………

By billy

August 4, 2006 01:52 AM | Link to this

Sekou - can you delete this guy?

By A Thinking Fan

August 4, 2006 05:32 AM | Link to this

SS do your thing on this nut - PLEASE!

By Sekou Smith.

August 4, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

Well, here we go again this time it’s offical. Harrington has Agreed to the 6 year $57 Million dollar contract with Indiana. They decided to give up $2.5 million in Cash and a 1st Rounder.

More details to come, but it’s finally over !

By Astro Joe

August 4, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

Okay, I’m suspicious given the lunatic from earlier and the understanding that there had to be a 15 day waiting period due to the agent change. Is this the “real” Sekou?

By honest_abe

August 4, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

…………that sucks! THAT LONG OF A DELAY AND THE HAWKS GET 500K LESS??????

FIRE …… oh damn caught myself….bah!

By honest_abe

August 4, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

nice catch astro….if you notice this imposter is sekou smith with a period at the end of the name….LOL

By Clyde

August 4, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

Glad this Harrington deal is over with. We still need more inside help though. Not with scrubs but wit people that can conribute.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By A Thinking Fan

August 4, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

Let’s see if there is a FA out there 1st. that we can pick-up before we holla - FIRE him!!!

By Sekou Smith

August 4, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

No it’s me alright

The 15 day period can be bypassed

According to NBA rules, Tellem cannot officially become Harrington’s agent for two weeks after the termination letter was sent to Miller. A trade can be made during that period, however, with the National Basketball Players Association acting on Harrington’s behalf. Tellem still can negotiate the trade and receive a fee for his work.

So yes rejoice, it’s official.

By Astro Joe

August 4, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

Okay, well if the main page of the Soprts section doesn’t get updated in the next 30 minutes, then I think this is a bogus report about the deal being done. So I’ll save my comments until I know it is real. I don;t recall Sekou breaking a story on the blog before sharing it in an article before, so I remain suspicious.

By honest_abe

August 4, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

i really want to…….but wouldn’t you have written an article about it instead of just briefly mentioning it on this blog….?

By Sekou Smith

August 4, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

test posting as sekou

By Sekou Smith

August 4, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

See?

Anybody can post as ‘him’

I just proved it was an imposter

I’ll believe it when I see Sekou post an article

By Ken Strickland

August 4, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

HONEST ABE, ASTRO, I’m with you on this. I have been unable to find it mentioned on any other NBA site. In the NBA world this would be a major scoop considering the circumstances involved and all of the drama that has accompanied this ongoing saga. Some very childish minds have been visiting this site recently.

By Al Harrington

August 4, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

I am being traded :(

By Steve Belkin

August 4, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

I have fired Billy Knight today and will co-own the team with Pete Babcock. His brother Rob will be our GM with hopes of hiring Lon Krueger to make a triumphant return to head coaching duties. I can’t wait for the season to begin.

By Kappy

August 4, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

Some loser has Waaaay too much time on his hands. so stupid.

By Georgia Steve

August 4, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

I am really going to miss Harrington. I heard this deal was reported on WIBC 1070 in Indy from my Uncle who lives there.

I don’t know if I trust this Blog, but I do trust my own Uncle. I guess we will just have to wait for the Article.

By Pacer Girl

August 4, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

Well just putting my two cents in. I could not find any article, but as an Indianapolis resident, I can tell you I did hear the WIBC report as well.

Ironically it’s exactly what Sekou or whoever it is reported.

1st Rd Pick (Lottery Protected) 2.5 million in Cash and 6 year contract 57 million.

No word if Edwards was included.

By honest_abe

August 4, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

someone seriously has waaaaaaaay too much time on their hands….just to mess around on this blog…it HAS to be someone that frequents pretty blog on a regular basis…….”pacer girl” and “georgia steve” got to give the guy an a for effort…even though he is getting beyond annoying!

By Astro Joe

August 4, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

All of a sudden, we need DNA samples for this blog. Who wants to call the AJC and ask for Sekou Smith? Or better yet, where is Basketball Princess with all of the inside scoop on Al? And one would have to wonder what the agent firing was all about. I have a theory but again, I want to see an article posted on ajc.com before I offer up my opionion (along with a big “I told you so”).

By honest_abe

August 4, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

Whoa I take that back.

I just heard the same report as well. I apologize, it’s true guys.

They just broke in during the Chris Dimino show and reported that sources told them, it’s a done deal.

I must say I was skeptical. Wonder why no article yet ?

By honest_abe

August 4, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

…..that wasn’t me

By honest_abe

August 4, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

ok i’m going to leave for a while until this lunatic is gone! i suggest everyone else do the same!

By Astro Joe

August 4, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

Abe, maybe Sekou is working on the next story… Hawks signing a big vet. I wouldn’t be surprised if they aren’t trying to do a one-two punch, “yes, Al was dealt for virtually nothing but we have signed this reputable big man to help us compete next season”. Supposedly, Bernie Mullen reiterated this morning that a big man is lined up to join the team. Still guessing Wright or Cato.

By The Lord your God

August 4, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

And the Lord spaketh saying: “Al harrington has been traded to the Indiana Pacers, and those who doubt me, or Sekou my only true prophet, shall burn in the fiery lake forever and ever… amen”

By George Bush

August 4, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

This trade with Al is a slam dunk.

By Astro Joe

August 4, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

Well, Abe 790 AM just hinted that the Harrington deal could be coming to a conclusion , officialy before Monday.

So reports are slowly leaking in, that would appear there is some truth to this.

By mountain_jim

August 4, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Unless they are all just getting their info from a fake Sekou post here, lol.

By Ken Strickland

August 4, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

ANDO, 1st of all, look who’s talking. 2nd I can’t answer your question concerning why BK drafted Marvin instead of Paul. Only BK, or someone behind the scenes, can do that. A while back, I commented that BK was possibly stockpiling versatle players, with simular size and skills, to develop, then trade off the surplus to fill team needs. The Braves have been successful for the last 14yrs using that formula. The fact that I support BK doesn’t mean I understand or agree with every decision he has made. But, despite any disagreements I might have with BK, or lack of understanding on my part, I recognize that he has put together a young, talented, athletic team. And even though I don’t view it as a completed team, I do see it improving as the players develop and come together. How many teams can you name, in NBA history, that’s drafted 4 players in 2yrs(3 1st & a 2nd rd pick)and had them all develop so rapidly? 2 have become starters after their rookie yr and the other 2 are solid and consistent contributors off the bench. Of the 2 starters, one was drafted directly out of high school and the other off the bench at UNC after 1yr. Now, that shows BK can recognize both physical and mental (maturity)talent. At this point, it would be foolish for me to start bashing and critizing anyone with the Hawks until I somehow become privy to what’s going on behind the scene. Until that happens I will remain a Hawks supporter, accept the fact that BK is our GM and go with the team he has put together into the upcoming season with optimism.

By Sekou Smith

August 4, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

This is the real Sekou Smith checking in. The above report is absolutely true: Anyone CAN fake my name on this thing. See? Someone’s doing it right now. Hello, Pacers Digest! Don’t believe the hype.

By Sekou Smith

August 4, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

Two deals to be announced. Sign and trade of Al Harrington to Indiana. And Shaquille O’neal to Atlanta for Marvin Williams, two future 1st round draft picks, a luxury suite for both Hawks and Thrashers games, use of Belkin’s attorney, and future considerations.

By GetOdom

August 4, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

Welcome to Indy Baby Al ! I heard the report as well on the Radio

By Hicks

August 4, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

I masturbate while watching Full House. Danny Tanner gets me so hot!

By Sekou Smith

August 4, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

I tell you what,I start this blog for everyone, and now people ruin it, by taking advantage.

I can’t comment on the deal that is currently nearing, look for tomorrow’s AJC special article on the Hawks, but probably nothing until Tuesday as far as firm details.

Looks like I will need to lock my name from being used or stop using the Blogs altogether.

By honest_abe

August 4, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

sekou, is there nothing you can do to ban the guy?

By Mike Wells

August 4, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

I thoroughly enjoyed last evening’s entailment of basketball and erotica, Sekou.

Cordially

By Bob Kravitz

August 4, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

Now Mike that is digusting First Montieth and now Wells ?

By Mike Wells

August 4, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

What can I say? I am an animal.

By Astro Joe

August 4, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

Yeah and the 12:55 comment was not from me.

By Astro Joe

August 4, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

Yeah it was just kidding. Abe you out there, did you hear the news

By mountain_jim

August 4, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

Well the foul imagery posted above is most likely from a Pacer’s fan, either the Pacer’s poster Hicks or some other Pacer’s board member who knows Hicks.

I joined the Pacer’s board to clear up one bit of misinfo for them but if they are the folks trashing this forum then that’s kinda sad, as they were also auditing it for new developments in the Al saga, as are we all.

By mountain_jim

August 4, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

http://www.pacersdigest.com/ is where some of the trash posts are apparently coming from….

By mountain_spew

August 4, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

I AM A HAWKS FAN CLEARLY

By mrHonline

August 4, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

This is why this blog needs to force people to register.

BTW, Sekou and Co. are always welcome at Hawksquawk… ;)

By Ethan Grey

August 4, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

Jim that is incorrect, those posts are not coming from that forum, I can vouch for it.

By thecamera

August 4, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

listen, everyone, regarding the “is this or is this not sekou smith” stuff - everytime an ajc blogger posts on their blog, the name type-face is in a bold blue and the text is formatted slightly different than user comments.

By mountain_jim

August 4, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

God those peopel at Pacers Digest are annoying. Stupid trashy Indiana hicks. Theyre all a bunch of cornfed mothershuckers especially that bafooniac Hicks and 58 year old lesbian grace.

By Uncle Tuckit

August 4, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

hicks fetch me a tractor will ya

o no looks like sis is preggerz agin

By Uncle Tuckit

August 4, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

hicks fetch me a tractor will ya

o no looks like sis is preggerz agin

By mountain_jim

August 4, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Hello thecamera, that’s not always the case (blue bold type)..

I’ve seen posts by Sekou not bolded repeatedly in this blog, and there is one up above (August 2, 2006 08:59 PM ) that is also in that class, I believe.

And needless to say that was not me at 3:31 above either.

By Chauncey

August 4, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Someone pass the Kool-Aid

By clyde

August 4, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

This right here is sad. Somebody always gotta come and mess stuff up. I need to lock my name too.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By VF21

August 4, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

I love Hicks.

By Gutz

August 4, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

So is this trade bogus or what? Anyone else hear anything? Are the Lakers still an option or what? I liked the Lakers,Bobcats, and Hawks trade idea the most!

By SoupIsGood

August 4, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

Guys I was watching the WISH 8 news out of Indianapolis and theyve reported that the sign & trade is all but done and should be announced before the NBA offices close this evening.

By ConyersDawg

August 4, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

I heard Bernie this morning say that we already have a big man and he has started as a center in the nba. I hope it’s the candy man. If not I would rather have Cato.

By Gutz

August 4, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

So all Arn was hired for was to get the Hawks to take $500,000 less than the original offer from the pacers of 1st rounder and 3mil cash? Your telling me Al’s old agent Miller couldn’t do that? This just doesn’t make much sense for BK to turn around a day after Al gets a new agent and just accept whatever Arn Tellum says. Who knows though? I would think BK would wait for some other offers to roll in. I guess the Hawks definitely don’t want salary or players back then period.

By Astro Joe

August 4, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

Later guys, I’ll check back in on Monday when the numb skulls may have tired of this nonsense. I would suggest that you look for quality rumors from newspaper articles and national websites. Well, it was good while it lasted. PEACE!

By mountain_jim

August 4, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

I often touch myself will simultaneously watching a spider monkey choke itself and smear feces on my nose.

By mountain_jim

August 4, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

I often touch myself while simultaneously watching a spider monkey choke itself and smear feces on my nose.

By totherealbloggers

August 4, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

to the main guys and gals…the idiot who is posting all the nonsense is known by their IP address. so it’s just a matter of time before the AJC is knocking at their door. he can hijack our names all he wants but the tracking cookies and IP address will bring him some fun he didn’t count on!!!

in the meantime, to the REAL bloggers and fans, ENJOY YOUR WEEKEND!!!

By Guest

August 4, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

You have a great place here, Sekou. I’m sorry some losers trashed it.

By et

August 4, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this

Well sekou, it is interesting that you suggested to the blogggers to take the weekend off and then you went and deranged this.

go home

By Paul Hamilton

August 4, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this

I think the Hawks should offer free shrink services to all players to help them deal with coming to or leaving the hawks. Does anything ever run smoothly for the Hawks? What a disaster the front office and owners situation has become. I bet Harrington regrets ever being loyal to the hawks and talking nice about BK. My prediction is that AL signs a one year contract with a contender to get the out of the ATL.

By Gutz

August 4, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

Wow! I cannot believe Miami traded Shaq. I like Marvin Williams, but this is the trade that we really needed. Let’s go Hawks!!!

By Tyger

August 4, 2006 07:12 PM | Link to this

JTO

Thanks for the thoughtful response, however, I dont believe that signing a veteran big like Olowokandi will require big money or a long term deal. He made $5M last season and will make even less next season, probably $1.5 - $3M for 1-2 years.

That type of deal wont hurt us at all and if he turned out to be steal, he’s still young enough to help this team long-term. If not his contract expires and he comes off the books, see John Edwards for ex. Meanwhile, we would benefit from his size and experience. The last time he played the Hawks he had 17pts. 13reb. 2blks.

Now, improving to what you call mediocrity is not an option, this team MUST improve this year. Personally, I think anything less than the playoffs is bust.

The realities of our ownership situation no longer afford a drawn out systemic rebuild this is probably Atlanta Spirits last season. Thats why I say get what we need now within the parameters we have to operate within.

Among the available players Olowokandi is the only true center. Wright, Ely, Gooden are PF, we dont need anymore of those.

If you want to “dream” of a young, blossoming big that can develop alongside our stallions think Dwight Howard. He’ll soon be up for an extension and pray he prefers home over money.

But reality can be cruel and the fact of the matter is we dont have a chance in hell of keeping that 2007 pick, even if we implode, too much bad draft karma to get lucky now.

Best thing is to trade Harrington for future picks, cash, expiring contracts; maintain cap flexibility and acquire assets for the future.

I dont like beating a dead horse nor do I know how to make this any simpler: There is no conflict of interest in having Marvin Williams and Josh Smith. You cant have too many great players, they will learn to co-exist and feed off each other, just give them time.

Remember, JChill and JSmoove both struggled early on, but over time they became a 1-2 punch, now add JJ and Marvin to that mix, and it becomes 1-2-3-4. That is the goal.

Also, it is Coach Woody’s responsibility to sort out the minutes and line-ups. Thus far, he has been unfairly handicapped. Kandiman can help inside. You cant win in the NBA with a doughnut in the middle. Again we would not ask nor expect for 35 min, or 20/10. A good 15-20 min. and 10/5 would be excellent.

Sort of how Zo Mourning does for the Heat. Which is a really good ex. Zo is probably half the player he was 10 yrs ago, but could he help the Hawks?

Moreover, in terms of cap mgt. and resigning our core. Vets like Olowokandi are exactly what we need: short term deals for $5M and less. Harrington’s money will be used to extend the young guys. We’re not taking back players will big or long contracts, i.e. Kenyon Martin or Todd Murphy.

In sum, getting a guy like Kandiman can only help us.

By parm

August 4, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this

nets you are my favorite team please try your best to get al harrington he is a great shooting something this team needs to improve on maybe offer zoran or boston good luck and you r going to win the champion ship easliy if you get al good luck

By parm

August 4, 2006 08:21 PM | Link to this

nets you are my favorite team please try your best to get al harrington he is a great shooting something this team needs to improve on maybe offer zoran or boston good luck and you r going to win the champion ship easliy if you get al good luck

By Wheyweth

August 4, 2006 08:44 PM | Link to this

veteran big is Lorenzen Wright

By ConyersDawg

August 4, 2006 08:54 PM | Link to this

Good job Knight. We get a veteran big man who can help Zaza. Our team is really comming together. Maybe we can get the 7th or 8th playoff spot.

By Jambazy

August 4, 2006 09:38 PM | Link to this

Didn’t we sweep the pacers last year? Just wondering out loud, and this is after borrowing Al harrington from them.

By Hicks

August 4, 2006 11:08 PM | Link to this

Just to clear this up: The above “Hicks” is not me. I posted as “Sekou” (the one where I say hi to Pacers Digest) to prove to people on multiple boards that it was actually some yahoo impersonating Sekou in the first place spreading false rumors.

Beyond that, the posts have been filled by a repeatedly banned troll who now frequents another board (which out of respect to that community I won’t name).

To my knowledge, none of the posts made here aside from mine were made from anyone on Pacers Digest, and anyone pretending to make it look that way needs to grow up.

By billy

August 5, 2006 12:04 AM | Link to this

6-11, 240 - athletic/experienced center.

That’s what we needed. Of course, would have liked to traded for SHAQ, but since that’s not happening, I think we all have to be happy about these moves.

Now we just get the Harrington deal to go through and we’ve got this:

Up top: JJ, Speedy, Lue, Childress, Salim, Royal.

Down low: Marvin, JSmith, Sheldon, Zaza, Wright, Estaban.

That’s a solid, BALANCED team. That’s what we’ve been asking for (right, Ando?) and that’s what we now have.

Granted, it’s not the ideal team yet. And we’ll always disagree with BK on something, but this is a SOLID, BALANCED team that is still WAY under the cap.

NICE.

By Jermaine O'Neal

August 5, 2006 04:18 AM | Link to this

Glade 2 see ya back Al.

By mountain_jim

August 5, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this

The AJC needs to improve their blogging software to protect their writer’s usernames and ours as well. Or at least display IP addresses so we can see who is stealing and trashing our user ids with fake posts, as mine was multiple times above (by some one from the Indiana side of things)

By Steve

August 5, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

How come nobody else is reporting the Lorenzen Wright deal? Am I supposed to actually believe that the AJC got some major scoop? That is laughable to say the least…

By HB Ando

August 5, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

I see the Wright move as very solid. Tyger’s assertion that we seek out Kandi underscores that he needs to follow the game a little bit more closely. Kandi is viewed as a laughing stock around the league, which is the only reason an athletic, young 7’1 center is currently unemployed, and was un-used in Minny, and, I believe, waived by Boston after he was traded there. You don’t even have to read between the lines on Kandi. He’s an up front dog, who doesn’t have any interest in playing basketball.

No matter, Wright will be a solid addition, and you will see he and Zaza on the court together more than you might expect right now. Both are viewed as 4-5’s, and Zaza might be able to get out on the baseline a little more with Wright on the floor. We now have the ability to go “big” for the first time in Billy’s tenure, which we’ll need if we’re going to compete for an eighth seed. Though it’s still a waste, it also clears the way for getting nothing much but cash and a pick for Al. Though I still think Indy’s first rounder will be later than sooner, the injury risk of key players, as others have pointed to, does create the possibility of another disappointing season by the Pacers, which could have great benefit for us come next summer (if, of course, that’s the pick we get).

Here’s my problem with this Wright thing. Why in the heck did we reach (and miss) for Shelden Williams, if we were firm on getting a low-priced vet for the front court. I assert right here, right now, that Williams just isn’t going to end up playing very much. I think he’s going to end up being a huge disappointment, not in the grandest sense, but in the context of what we expect from a fifth overall pick, which will be less his fault, and more Billy’s, for taking him where no one felt he was good enough to go. Just like last year, with the Paul/Marvin discussion, which never went away, we’ll be talking about Billy’s decision to take Shelden over the course of next year. I can’t quit thinking about the e-mails I sent to Levenson, leading up to the draft, that offered a range of differing scenarios, but, in each and every one said, “the one thing you CAN’T do is draft Shelden at #5.”

We all talked about Roy and Foye, and I know that Doc and Flash really like Roy. As a fit for this team, Foye would have been better. At 6’6, Roy would have shared Johnson’s difficulty in matching up with quicker, smaller point guard. With the idea that you’d place two versatile combo guards in the backcourt together, for major minutes, Foye will show himself to be the quicker on the ball defender than Roy, and would have been able to neutralize opposing point guards for more effectively.

Once again, you compare alternate roster ideas, what is, with what easily could have been, and it will be easy to see, half way through this season, that a lineup of Foye and Johnson, with the two young forwards, Wright and Zaza, making up almost all of the minutes at the 3-5, would have been better than drafting Shelden. Over the next two years, we’ll likely see the young big men that we could have traded down and select, rapidly eclipse Shelden as NBA players, due to their greater length and athleticism. We’ll never know what Tellem’s role in taking Shelden was, and maybe it’s a mitigating factor that justifies the choice at a level I can’t fathom. But Shelden’s only value at #5, a pick that was universally viewed as a tremendous reach, was supposed to be his ability to come in and contribute major boards and blocks right away, with an understanding that he might not have the upside, at 23 years old, and only 6’7 and 1/2, that others in the draft have. If he can’t, or doesn’t, contribute immediately, this season, at the least, the idea that he needs time to develop is laughable. He’s going to grow taller and more agile when he hits 24? This isn’t to demean Shelden Williams, but the Hawks’ decision to take him at five will end up being viewed as another bad decision by Billy Knight when it’s all said and done.

That being said, the roster DOES look balanced for the first time, hair-splitting questions about whether it could have easily been much better with obvious, alternate decision-making aside. If Wright comes here with a chip on his shoulder about how he was utilized and treated in Memphis (not well from his perspective as I understand it), the team stays healthy, and Woody shows continued improvement in his tactics and in-game adjustments, this team just might sniff an eighth seed.

I’m not going to be able to quit scratching my head about the Shelden thing though. When you consider every viable alternative to that decision, I keep coming to the conclusion that it was the WORST utilization of the #5 pick that we could have enacted. I just don’t get it. If he’s not able to contribute, then it’s a combination of both poor scouting/evaluation, AND how to get the least value out of a top pick possible. It’s a double whammy of ineptitude (wrapped in an enigma?).

By HB Ando

August 5, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

Another point on the Wright thing. Let’s understand what Wright brings to the team. He’s essentially an older version of Zaza. In fact Wright may have been the original Zaza. He’s not a particularly athletic big man, and he doesn’t block shots. But he plays strong on the block, has solid fundimentals and rebounds very well. Like Zaza, he finishes more at the rim than above it. And again, like Zaza, he’s got enough face up game to play some four, which will enhance their ability to play at the same time. Everyone knew he wasn’t going to re-sign with Memphis, as far back as last summer. Seems like we could have used him some last season. But he’s here now, so I’m ready to watch some basketball (isn’t the season here yet?).

By Steve

August 5, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

HB Ando,

Why do you think there is no reporting on the Wright deal anywhere but here? I don’t get it…

By Ken Strickland

August 5, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

If all things progress as expected, look for Shelden to become our long term PF. He is the only player on the roster that approximates the prototypical PF. He is also the only player with an inside, postup game. His inside presense would bring more balance to our half court OFF. This, along with his maturity and the hope he will develop more rapidly than the bigs BK passed over, may be the reason Shelden was drafted. Remember, you heard it from me 1st. Marvin will be the odd man out and will likely be traded. He will also have the highest trade value because of his youth, versatility, scoring prowess and unlimited potential.

By ss lova

August 5, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

it looks like chris wilcox is gonna sign the sonic’s qualifying offer for around 3.6 million for 1 season.

the wright pick-up was decent, but why not go after a player like wilcox with WAY more upside?

especially when it seems like he is relatively inexpensive for what he would bring to our team

thoughts anyone?

By Ken Strickland

August 5, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

STEVE, I saw it posted on ESPN this morning.

By jhan

August 5, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

“we’ll likely see the young big men that we could have traded down and select, rapidly eclipse Shelden as NBA players, due to their greater length and athleticism”

Ando, how many players over the last 15 years have been drafted on this premise alone? How many have been busts? I believe you have to look at mental attributes as well as physical. Are these longer & more athletic players going to work as hard as Sheldon? See your analysis of the Kandi man.

By reese

August 5, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

Steve, the reason that there is no one reporting of the wright deal is that no one really cares. It is so inconsequential that it does deserve reporting except for atlanta.

HB Ando, I thought you were going crazy there for awhile when you were OK with the wright deal.

But I think that your 12:02 pm post demonstrates that your coming back to reality.

The reality is that wright has never average 10 rebounds a game, he has only averaged more that 1 block a game once in his ten year career. He has played here before and we did nothing with him as a player.

To think that anyone can get excited about this deal is unbelievable. Its on par with getting excited about signing estaban batista and John edwards.

Now for the good part about the deal

By Quent

August 5, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

Let’s keep the Lorenzen Wright signing in perspective. He’s being brought here to fill a role. There are not many dominant centers in the league anymore. Therefore no team with a good center is going to let him go, unless he’s demanding too much money. Olowokandi is injury-prone and he has never averaged 10rbs/game either. He hasn’t averaged more than 1blk/game in two years. I’m just glad to get a center. Nazr would have been great but I think Wright will do just fine.

By Ken Strickland

August 5, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

JHAN, I agree with you whole heartedly on your analysis. Let me give you a classic example that supports what you said. Once the Jazz drafted a slender 6’9” player from a small school in La that cried when his name was announced. Some Jazz fans, and so called experts, said it was a bad pick because he hadn’t played against tough competition, he didn’t have an outside shot or that he was too raw, or he couldn’t jump or block shots. Karl Malone then set out to prove everyone that doubted him wrong. He succeeded by becoming probably the greatest PF in NBA history. I am not saying Shelden will become the next Karl Malone, but what proof do any of you doubters & complainers have that shows he can’t eventually duplicate what he accomplished in college.

By Steve B.

August 5, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

Insidehoops.com reported the deal for Wright is 2 years for six million. Wright isn’t as bad as some of you guys are thinking. No he’s not a star and he’s not J.Mag, but he is a good back-up center. He can provide us with some low-post offense and mid range shooting off the bench. If he’s willing to just give a couple of hard fouls when the other teams drive the lane, I realy don’t care how many shots he blocks. Team defense is about more than blocks and steals. No Wright isn’t a top defensive center but if he buys into the concept he can be what we need. 8 and 5 off the bench would be good.

By mykhalc

August 5, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

ken, gotta say i disagree with you on the marvin being traded thing. as i mentioned in the last blog and SS mentioned, i really do believe mgmt is setting themselves up with the cap space in anticipation to sign the young guns. and the young guns being MARVIN, JSMITH, JCHILLS. i’m not so sure about SALIM right now. but i do think the first 3 are in the long term plans for this franchise. i think more and more teams are realizing that a nucleus has to be kept together for a number a years in order to really give it a chance…ie, PISTONS, SPURS, PHOENIX being the prime examples. and of course the HEAT being the exception. now again, i say this with the asterisk that MARVIN and JSMITH HAVE TO show they can produce on the floor at the same time, offensively and defensively. if they do, then ballgame. if not then i think you are right, someone will go. just not sure it will be MARVIN!!??

ando, i predict one day YOU WILL be happy about SOMETHING pertaining to the hawks LOL i hear you on WRIGHT but you can’t have it both ways my friend!! you can’t complain about lack of size and then put SHELDON and WRIGHT in the same package. they are not the same. WRIGHT brings to the club what you have been calling for for some time now, a legitimate BIG. i thought WRIGHT was an under-achiever when he was with the club the first time. have not followed him in memphis tho. but his size and skills as i remember DO bring added depth to the team regardless of whether there is/was a more desirable BIG available. so whether or not SHELDON ends up playing some 5, let’s not go with the premise that they’re the same so it supports your ‘don’t draft SHELDON at #5’ !!

By CJ

August 5, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

Wright is about as good as the Hawks could’ve done. There aren’t many other options. But the best bigs are usually unknowns from year to year. Karl Malone to Sheldon .. bit of a stretch.

By St. Bernard

August 5, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

If we were gonna wait two years for production from Sheldon or only wanted someone to contribute with blocks and rebounds. Watch Sene. If we wanted a true pg for the future. Watch Williams and Rondo. If we wanted a star watch Foye and Roy. Ando’s right, we are set to discuss the failure of Sheldon all season, but the bright side is there’s several choices to argue that we should have chosen in front of him. HA.

By St. Bernard

August 5, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

As opposed to only talking about Paul last year.

By jhan

August 5, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

I’m trying to figure out why we should have drafted Foye or Roy. After listening all last year about drafting Marvin, who plays the same position as Al & Josh, why would we draft another player who plays the same position as our best player? People complain about trying to make Marvin and/or Josh Smith play PF when everyone feels they should be playing SF. We should have drafted a natural SG and turned them into a PG? Wasn’t there a major complaint last year about trying to make JJ play the point? Since neither of the rookies are anywhere near the player JJ is, why do some think they could just turn into NBA PG’s? People like to argue both sides of the argument to suit there purposes. You just can’t have it both ways.

By HB Ando

August 5, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

Actually, Jhan, it was widely reported that Foye shows combo guard skills, playing the point for Villanova when Lowry was out hurt last year. And we’re talking about pairing him with a tremendous distributor of the ball, so it’s not nearly such a leap as placing undersized 3’s down in the paint to guard the Duncan’s, Stoudemire’s and Garnett’s of the league. Foye can defend on the ball as well as anyone in the draft, and is an immediate, legitimate scorer. Playing along side of Johnson, he would not be asked to be the primary decision maker through out games, but rather, would take pressure off of Johnson, by making it more difficult for opposing guards to double team him, as well as giving him more looks off the ball, for catch and shoot opportunities. My take, as much as I’m happy they picked up Speedy, is that both Roy and Foye, will be viewed rapidly as far more dangerous players than Speedy. Speedy has never been a legitimate starter before. These guys are expected to be legitimate, multi-purpose scorers, who can really play on both ends of the court. The issue is putting the five most talented players on the floor together, and with the versatility that so many project for Marvin and Josh to play besides each other, for the majority of the forward minutes, then you have to acknowledge that a lineup of those two at forward, with Zaza at center, and Johnson and Foye in the backcourt, would have been stronger than Shelden on the bench. See, I keep saying that it’s a challenge no matter which way you slice the forward rotation. If Shelden plays major minutes, they come at the expense of Josh or Marvin, as well as not having your five best players on the floor. But if Shelden can’t work his way into that lineup, if he’s not good enough, then our front court is the same as it was six months ago, while Al was out, and the three of them, Marvin, Josh and Zaza, were not solid enough to man the paint effectively. Neither of those kids gained 25 pounds to go and play PF full time. Let’s hope Wright helps, because I don’t believe Shelden can.

I’m not the one who wants it both ways. If Shelden is a power forward, and this team is committed to the emerging talents of Josh and Marvin, playing them together for major minutes, then Shelden was a wasted pick. He’s not big enough to play center. And he’s not good enough to play in front of Josh or Marvin. So why take a guy fifth, who doesn’t have the potential to start (see my same argument for Childress, who is similarly never going to start for this team despite being drafted sixth).

Jhan, there would be no argument about taking a player who is ready to contribute right away, versus an upside/risk guy, but that’s not the situation we seeing. Now adding an experienced role player like Wright, I’m saying you won’t see much of Williams on the floor this year. And taking him way before anyone felt was warranted, you passed on two combo guards that step into the league ready to start for their franchises.

There’s value to the team on the floor, and there’s value to the franchise. Of the three players discussed, Foye, Roy, or Williams, who do you think immediately has the lowest potential trade value, based on overall ability? If you’re going to draft for need, which I’m actually a proponent of in most instances, and pass on the best available talent, make sure the guy you selected for need can actually crack your rotation, or you’ve wasted a top-5 pick (as Billy Knight has just done). Don’t believe me now? Just wait and see if I’m right.

By roan st

August 5, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

Ando, your analysis of shelden is absolutely correct. If he doesn’t contribute this year at least moderately then he will probably be a wasted pick. I kind of liked the idea of trading down and taking a flyer on o’bryant or sene instead of the roy or foye argument. However, I’m not to willing to deal in hypotheticals just yet until I see what this cat can do on the court. But if he turns out to be just a “role player” then hell yes that is a wasted pick.

By Ken Strickland

August 5, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

MYKHALC, your wish concerning their long term success with the Hawks is my wish as well. However, looking at how our roster is constructed, I don’t see it playing out that way for everyone. In the last 3 drafts we have acquired 8 players and 6 of them are forwards. Donta Smith was released, but Batista was signed. Four were picked in the 1st rd and 2 in the 2nd. Assuming they all develop as expected, the Hawks will be hard pressed to match the inevitable(R)FA offers that are sure to come. That could mean 3 of our 5 forwards sitting on the bench with maximum contracts. It’s not economically feasible. The only thing I see that might change, in my projection, is the player that will be traded.

By mykhalc

August 5, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

ando, here’s where i’m puzzled…you make the comparision to CHILDRESS being picked at #6. and i know the name of Andre Iguodala has been thrown out as being a better choice. ok…if that is the case…then all things being the same except Iguodala now being in CHILLS spot, don’t we have the same situation with him coming off the bench??? ‘cause he would not have supplanted JSMITH or AL last year in the starting lineup, right??? so if that’s a given, that why was CHILLS a bad pick a #6 when he is exactly the kind of player we need coming off the bench, attitude and production wise???

i get your frustration!! but the bench has to become a strength too, at some point! and despite what BK sayin’ about SHELDON being able to contribute immediately, in reality, HOW MANY ROOKS REALLY DO??? and heard ALL ABOUT PAUL!!

By CJ

August 5, 2006 06:10 PM | Link to this

Mykhalc i think what Ando is trying to say the Hawks don’t have the luxury of passing up the best available talent in drafts. Even if it is a duplicated position we can always trade the pick for more players we need. The one mistake I see BK making is that he constructs his team directly from the draft…he doesn’t even try to trade the picks. In the Hawk’s position purposefully drafting bench players isn’t a good idea. We may not even retain our best talent in the upcomming seasons.

By Ken Strickland

August 5, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

When are we going to realize that it is not our responsibility, nor do we possess the ability, to determine who will be better in the pros. This is an example of what I mean, and it is for those who think Iguodala would have been a better pick than Childress. MINS(C)30.4(I)37.7, FG%(C)552(I)500, 3PT%(C)492(I)354, RB(C)5.2(I)5.9,BLKS(C).53(I).26, PTS(C)10(I)12.3. Iguodala made his stats as a starter playing with the great superstar Iverson. Childress probably didn’t have a play called for him the entire season. I believe, playing an extra 7.3MIN, Childs could have picked up an extra 2.3PTS, extra .7RB as well as increase his other superior stats. Could Igoudala have matched Childress’ production coming off the Hawks bench?

By et

August 5, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

i think coming into this season including draft and the free agent signings we were in agreement that we needed two bigs and a point guard. if sheldon delivers this in 15 to 20 minute increments a game this year then he will be worth his draft pick with hoped for upside potential just by learning the pro game. i also hope that someone sat down with coach k and really talked about this kids potential in the nba.

if sheldon doesnt deliver then we blew an opportunity to get a really good player with game in foye or roy. yes, there would be times that the smaller guards might have an advantage but with baseline help you alter that on the defensive end while you potentiate that mismatch on the offensive end. the only thing that jj hasnt shown to make him a true dwayne jr is that he doesnt have the apparant knack for driving the lane like wade whereas roy does. it would have also alllowed some flexibility to put jj in the 3 slot with roy at 2 and speedy running the show (you can insert foye where i have mentioned roy). in the nba the more flexibilty you have the better off you are so interchangible parts are important and athleticism is critical.

i really hope sheldon proves his detractors wrong and i for one will bury him after allowing time to see if he develops according to plan. if he doesnt then i will voice some displeasure but not before. it is not fair to anyone to judge them based on hearsay.

ando, it is interesting that when you appear the least bit balanced with positives and negatives to a situation or complimentary some cry turncoat, betrayer, how could you? agree with all you said.

personally, i wish we had gotten the best available in the draft and then aggresively pursued two bigs and a point to balance the guard situation if it had been roy or foye. guess what it isnt my money being spent, i think the organization cant play that game because of a strict budget. if we get money back in the al thing it means that the effective expenditure this year for wright is 3 to 3.5 mil. i think we are still trying to do things on the cheap and not shopping with a complete coffer of bucks and this tempers everything done by billy. he saw he had to fill needs and got sheldon as the cheapest alternative period. we are left to hope for the best.

By doc

August 5, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

et finally went home.

By roan st

August 5, 2006 07:29 PM | Link to this

The wright deal might signify that the harrington deal is just about to wrap up. If they know that their getting X amount of dollars then maybe they felt comfortable enough to go ahead and sign the big. What do Y’all think?

By Clyde

August 5, 2006 08:27 PM | Link to this

Lorenzen Wright is not a defensive minded big.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By Clyde

August 5, 2006 08:28 PM | Link to this

Lorenzen Wright is not a defensive minded big.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By Richie Rich

August 5, 2006 09:04 PM | Link to this

I think Billy and Woody, and ownership should be ashamed for not bringing in Sheldon before the draft and let him compete against other bigs in the draft, so they could evaluate him in person. My personal opinion of why they went out and signed Lorenzen Wright, is that after they seen him struggle against lesser competition in the summer league, they realized that maybe they made a mistake in picking him. That’s just my opinion, but i like the signing of Wright……Anybody is better than Edwards or Batista.

Like someone posted earlier, i don’t think you will see much of Sheldon on the court.

By dale

August 5, 2006 09:18 PM | Link to this

I’m on vacation in Wilmington Beach, I just heard about bringing back Lorenzen Wright and once again the Hawks have proven to be completly ingnorant and indolent with player acquistions.
Just what Atlanta needs another undersized big man.

Billy Knight please resign. I know guys like Ken, Jhan and Honest Abe think you know what you are doing, but they don’t know what their talking about.
I however I know more basketball then anyone on this blog, and I know you are over your head, THIS TEAM WILL NOT WIN 30 GAMES THIS YEAR. The chemistry has only gotten worse.

I can’t believe with all the money and the high draft pick we had, you could only manage to acquire Shelden Williams, Lorenzen Wright and Speedy Claxton.
I’m not a blind fool like Ken, Jhan and Abe. And I realize that no other NBA City would allow you to get away with such pathetic decisions.

I’m laughing thinking about all the hope that some fools on this blog had about Al Harrington, I remember folks saying, we can package him for AI or Sam Cassel. Then to realize, reality is, if we get anything for him, it will be some money and possibly a draft pick. Are you freakin kidding me!!! You should have traded Al last year, right after you drafted Marvin. Passing on the best pg to come out of college since Jason Kidd.

I’m starting to believe that you are nothing but a token! You have been given an opportunity that you have shown by your actions that you do not have the qualifications, skill-set, nor over all core competencies to handle.

Another thing, please quit it with all this “Marvin is killing the summer league” crap. I remember watching Atlanta summer ball at Life College. Chris Jent every year would play his butt off. Eric Williams looked like Bill Russell, hell even Brian Oliver would look unstoppable at times. I’m not sold on Marvin Williams. I think he is a good kid, with a lot of skills, but so was Shareef.

Hawks fans I think optimism is a good thing, however sometimes you have to think a little more with you head than with you heart!!

Until then…

FIRE WOODY, FIRE BILLY, AND FIRE THE SPIRIT GROUP!!!!!!

By roan st

August 5, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this

Thanks dale for letting us know that you are the self annointed genuis who knows more about basketball than anyone on this blog.

By Ken Strickland

August 5, 2006 11:01 PM | Link to this

DALE, I just finished reading your post, twice, and I didn’t read anything that would set you apart for any of us. In fact, you didn’t convey anything other than your opinion, and we’ve all done that. I guess when it’s all said and done, we’ll just have to wait for your next post to experience some of that superior basketball knowledge. It certainly wasn’t evident in your last one.

By HB Ando

August 6, 2006 02:20 AM | Link to this

Anybody else want to venture a guess on the over/under for how many drinks Dale had consumed when he opined that he knows more than anyone else, here on the blog, about basketball?

If nothing else, I can go to sleep with a big smile on my face……….

et, all attempts at constructing basis, or justification for my predictions are merely me being a “hater”. What’s a guy to do?

By vdunkndunk

August 6, 2006 02:25 AM | Link to this

Dale…You may know more about basketball than the rest of us, but somehow you still come across as a moron. I guess you can’t judge a basketball genius by his incoherent ramblings.

By Clyde

August 6, 2006 03:03 AM | Link to this

That’s what I’m talking about Dale. You made me proud with that post.

But look here. As Sekou said the true test is the 82 game season. And by looking at our records with Billy at the helm we flat out suck. A lot of yall say this year will be different but I think last years team was better than this years. Al Harrington hacked a lot but he could score. The Hawks did not add anyone to make up for his loss.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By mykhalc

August 6, 2006 03:13 AM | Link to this

CJ, i hear you and ANDO. i guess my thing is do we REALLY know who can or cannot start in the league?? and when do we draft for need as opposed to best available talent?? both are viable ways and each may be required/chosen over the other at a given point in time. as i said in a previous blog, i would have chosen HILTON ARMSTRONG as my big. but i say that not knowing they would go after WRIGHT. and let’s say ROY would have been the choice then we are back to JJ running the point, which had MANY up-in-arms on this blog last year!!! and we sure don’t trust a rookie SG to run the point do we??? imagine the furor that would have brought on this blog!!! and i know ANDO stated both ROY and FOYE are ready to start for their franchises but i guess he’s just a lot surer than i am about that!!! where would you put your money at the start of the year, ROY or FOYE being more ready than JCHILLS to start at the 2??? yet we saw how JCHILLS wasn’t ready for that last year!! but would you put your money on a rook, with maybe more natural ability than JCHILLS, but hasn’t played a second of pro ball or a talented swingman whose been in the league 2 yrs now??? so that leads me back to liking the SPEEDY signing. i think it was the best move to have exp PG run this team at this point in time. which brings me back to SHELDON (i know i’m all over the place)LOL given the makeup of the team NOW, SHELDON does add to the roster being more balanced and with someone that should be able to contribute, as much as i think a rook will contribute. now whether that’s all a #5 pick should be able to provide or will be able to provide REMAINS to be seen!!!

and ANDO, i KNOW you ain’t no hater!!:o) YOU JUST KNOW YOU KNOW!!!:o) and as far as i can tell, that IS YOUR ONLY FLAW!!:o) and i say that with a lotta HAWKS LUV bro!!:o)

By ray

August 6, 2006 03:17 AM | Link to this

Still rambling about the same old stuff I see. Oh well.

Hey Dale, so you have no heart and very little in your head. Yeah, that makes you better than all of us. Guess that makes you a cross between the cowardly lion and the tin man, huh?

Figures that anyone making some “self-appointed genius” statements would get Ando’s attention. Ando, drop the hater logo, we know Shelden wasn’t the best pick at #5. That’s what makes me nervous about next year’s draft, and the year after that…

So, is it true that Wright is coming back to the ATL? Not the defensive big we need, but he can score and rebound. Looks like Shelden gets to be a bench warmer. Yes, a wasted pick, I know, geeez. But unless he’s really busting it (which, as I’ve said before he will have to do anyway)and performs, he’ll not be stealing playing time from Smith, Zaza, Wright, or Marvin. Assuming Marvin or Smith are playing the PF position at any given time.

By ray

August 6, 2006 03:21 AM | Link to this

Oh, I would have taken Foye over Roy if given the choice. Foye has better “Dwayne Wade” type skills, meaning he can actually run the point some, just as JJ can. But that would have taken some pressure off of JJ. I also think that Foye has the speed and quickness to stay with many opposing PGs. He’s sort of like a Ben Gordon, in my opinion. I think he’s a better defender, though. But, just like the Chris Paul situation, that’s a could-have-been. Time to move on.

By nunna yo biznezz

August 6, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

Its just so good to see the attention that the hawks are getting..Good or Bad…

By Tyger

August 6, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

HAndjob

Glad to see your still on my jock. However, your facts are, as usual, off the mark. Olowokandi was never un-used in Minny, he was injured, came back late in the year and put 17pt. 13 reb. 2blks. on the Hawks. He was never waived in Boston either, just didnt fit into Doc’s rebuild plans.

Is he the answer for the Hawks? Surely not, but he wouldnt hurt us either. We need BIGS and as far as that goes, he fit the bill. And since the mkt has been set, I would still try and sign him b/c now its $2M or less.

Lo Wright wont hurt us either, but he is a PF playing center, like ZaZa, as you say, but tougher. ZaZa doesnt defend, Wright will, but cant blk shots due to short arms and isnt that big either, only 250.

However, its difficult to put any credence into your comments due to the factual inaccuracies. If you dont even know the status of a player how can it be that you know about his heart? You know nothing, just long winded.

By Get Better

August 6, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

Here’s another perspective on the Harrington S&T from the Boston Herald this AM:

“Hawks general manager Billy Knight, in keeping a disciplined eye on the salary cap, is asking for draft picks instead of veteran contracts in any Harrington deal, and the Pacers haven’t been able to offer the right package - all of this despite the allure of a $7.5 million trade exception that would make most deals work. Other teams - with Minnesota reportedly showing renewed interest - have re-entered the mix, guaranteeing a prolonged drama. Miller, replaced by the high-powered Arn Tellem, will survive just fine, even if he had every right to get hot when his client decided to shoot the messenger. Perhaps Tellem can make a difference - talking Knight into flexibility appears to be the greatest challenge at hand - but Harrington could easily begin September not knowing his next destination. “You can’t blame (Knight),” one league general manager said. “He can’t be expected to take on other people’s garbage just to make a deal work, and that’s what always happens in these situations - you get offered everyone’s garbage. Why should he take on a bad contract like (Indiana center) Jeff Foster’s? He’s doing the right thing here.” “…most NBA types still expect Harrington to return to Indiana once Tellem gives the market a fresh test. But it ultimately may be Harrington who has to lower his expectations. “Normally, I don’t think Al Harrington is a guy who should be getting more than the mid-level,” said the anonymous general manager. “How do you explain what a guy like Nene ($60 million over five years from Denver) is getting? There’s no rhyme or reason to it. Some guys luck out, and some guys don’t.”

I figure this is better use of this space than the sophomoric/fraudulent posts of the past few days.

By HB Ando

August 6, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

Hell, all big men look like all-stars against the Hawks. That’s why we’re such a bad franchise. Let me ask you this, Tyger, if even one single GM put any credence in Kandi’s performance against the Hawks, then why is he still available, and not being mentioned anywhere as a potential solution, in a league starved for decent big men? Why? ‘Cause he’s a dog. For an overview of what’s happening around the league, I read Hoopshype daily. Haven’t seen Kandi’s name mentioned once this summer, as far as player’s rumored to be going some place. I did read short that said he wouldn’t be seen in the NBA this season, and might find his way to a sucker in Europe. If the guy had any worth, he’d be on a roster right now. Please explain that to me, since you’re so smart.

Please tell me why a list of the remaining best available free agents, on ESPN, includes Demarr Johnson, Jumaine Jones, Tony Delk and Eddie House, but not a still-young, 7 foot, 270 pound, former #1 overall pick. He’s not on anyone’s radar because everyone on this planet knows he doesn’t care to perform on the court. Everyone except the brilliant Tyger. Those old rumors about you being Billy Knight make sense again.

By Ken Strickland

August 6, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Great post GET BETTER. It looks like BK isn’t quite the laughing stock that some on this blog have intimated. It seems he’s still held in high esteem by at least some, if not most, of his peers. Remember ANDO, you said some time ago that you searched, but couldn’t find any positive feedback referencing BK. Well, here it is. Now, having said that, I am very much aware that I have probably stirred up the perverbial hornets nest, known as HD ANDO. Wish me luck.

By doc

August 6, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

get better, thanks for the article to provide some balance. interesting that it came from belkins home town. here is some cred to the idea not everyone and that all gm’s think billy is so much the fool.

to add to this take i revisit the notion i took earlier that to everyone who desired most to have a conclusion to the s&t and were the same ones that shouted the loudest to get it done were some of the same that were shouting he gave up too much in the jj trade even though 70% of his bosses said to make it go. is there anyone out there who desires employment stablility and who have knocked billy for doing the jj trade not go with 70% of his bosses in a similar situation?

By Nookah

August 6, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

Thanks GetBetter, I really appreciate a “new” perspective for once. Here we are all bashing BK and most of us do not have all the facts. Say what you want about BK but I think he is a professional who is looking out for his organization.

BK, damn if you do and damn if you don’t!! Just do the “right” thing for the Hawks. Fans are going to have their opinion anyway. Time will be your judge.

The plain truth is that BK is focused and knows exactly what he wants to do for this franchise. Fans and reporters will have their opinions, that is their right and I have no problem with that but BK is gonna do what BK is gonna do. That is the bottom line.

The Hawks will be all right. Just sit and enjoy the season when it starts. BK will be vindicated!!!

Nuff Respect!!!

Jah Guide!!!

By Ken Strickland

August 6, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

I agree with ANDO whole heartedly on his critique of the Kandi Man. He is a perfect example of drafting what you see on the outside without evaluating what’s on the inside. A Porche with a Mini Cooper engine still looks good, but it just can’t get you anywhere fast. The most important thing to appreciate about Wright is his energy. He has always hustled and given maximum effort. He might not block many shots, but he will definitely make his presence felt to anyone driving the lane. Having played under Hubie Brown, you know he can play team DEF. Shelden will get playing time as his production dictates. He will eventually be the 1st option off the bench replacing Marvin. As far as him possibly being a wasted pick is concerned, remember, most of the BIGS in this yrs draft will be coming off their respective teams bench. Does that make them wasted draft picks too?

By mykhalc

August 6, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

GET BETTER, do not let Clyde see that post!!! LOL great post ‘cause it also addressed how another GM views AL’s value and the ridiculous contract NENE received!!???!!

By ray

August 6, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

Ken, the idea of a wasted pick is merely a viewpoint reflecting the idea of immediate help. It would seem to me that Shelden was drafted, and hyped as immeadiate help in the paint for the Hawks. It is my opinion that he will not be immediately helpful, not as it was portrayed he will be. As we have rehashed many, many times, there were other players that seemed like they would be more helpful, some at other positions, than Shelden. The status of a draft pick as wasted or not is likely to be based on a couple of questions. One, was the player drafted to be developed and eventually replace a current starter in the lineup? And two, was the player drafted to immediately come into either the starter’s lineup or the regular 6 or 7 man (maybe 8) rotation. The articles I read right here on the AJC suggested that Shelden was drafted at #5 to come right in and make a big difference. Which led me to believe that if he wasn’t expected to be a starter at least some time this season, then surely he would be the sixth or seventh guy and at least the first big man off of the bench. Otherwise, as many others have already said, why draft him at #5 and then go right out and try for another veteran big? I only mentioned the wasted pick as a bit of sarcasm due to the general opinion I’ve seen on this board about him. Fact is, we will see how he does in the regular season. You can never tell if a pick is a waste until the player hits the court. Two main things strike me as evidence of a wasted pick: injury that prevents performance over a long period of time, and lack of performance itself, whether it be attitude, mental or physical inability. Want an example? Was not Jay Williams considered to be “the man” when the Bulls drafted him? His play was erratic and out of control at first, then he got injured so badly, no one knows if he’ll make and NBA roster now. But would you have thought anything other than him being the Bulls’ Pg of the future on draft night? How about when Washington nabbed Kwame Brown? Not only was he painfully inconsistent when he played for the Wizards, they got so sick of him, they let him go to another team. That’s what I call a wasted pick. He didn’t do what they drafted him to do. To me, it’s about what you draft the player for. I’ll say again that based on what I read, Shelden was drafted to bring immediate help. In a few months, we’ll get begin to get our chance to see how it goes. I, for one hope like hell he can do what we need him to do. And before I go any further, Ando, I know I just said stuff that you’ve been saying for the last month or so…this is just my way of saying it.

Oh BOY, I can’t wait to see what kind of stuff this article from the Boston Herald stirs up here. I read it too, but didn’t post it here ‘cause I already know who’s gonna jump all over it…or at least that’s what most people expect…heh, heh, heh!

By clyde

August 6, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

Good post Get Better. I’m glad Billy doesn’t want to add anymore bad contracts since we already have Joe Johnson’s.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By Tyger

August 6, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

HA Ndjob

By now, if you dont, you should realize that there’s more to pro sports mgt. than who’s the best player.

Many factors influence whether a player is signed or not. Skill-level surely, but other factors as well, such as the player’s agent and the market for the player, make as huge difference as we see in the Al Harrington situation.

I too am aware and not surprised that Olowokandi may return to Europe. You obviously dont know that Kandi began his career in Italy in 1998 and didnt come to the NBA until after the lockout was over.

Now, from his perspective, would it be in his best interest to accept the diminished value an NBA team would place on him whether deserved or not OR go to Europe for all the Euros a NBA #1 overall pick can command?

We cant even get David Andersen to leave Europe, why would Kandi take less than a nobody like David Andersen, its an insult and everyone in the league knows it.

The fact of the matter is Kandiman still has leverage over his career despite what some may think. Remember too, the most prolific player in Hawk history, spent part of his latter career in Europe as well b/c of a dry market in the NBA.

Did Nique not have enough heart or skill to play in the NBA yet won a championship at the highest level in Europe???

Stranger things have happened, you know not what you speak.

By Ken Strickland

August 6, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

RAY, point well made. I am simply trying to get Hawks fans to consider the possibility that Shelden may have been drafted to be our PF of the future. I believe BK liked his balanced inside game, both OFF & DEF, and his maturity more than the others. From that perspective it would be premature to consider him a wasted pick for at least 2yrs. BK has a history of drafting players with heart, determination and a desire to improve, like Gasol, JSmith, MWilliams, JChildress, SStaudamire, BDiaw,etc. It didn’t happen for Diaw here, but it did happen. Bottom line, I like this team, and I like its potential for the upcoming season. This may not be the most talented team of players BK could have assembled, but, considering some of the obstacles he’s had to face, it could be the best team at this point. We’ll be in the playoff hunt, although I’m not predicting we’ll make the playoffs. GO HAWKS!!!!!

By Dale

August 6, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

Ando, maybe you were right, I’ll admit I may have had 3 too many L.I.T’s last night. But hey, Wrightsville Beach in August is Paradise.

Clyde, you’ll always be my wingman.

I have much respect for guys like Ando, Billy, Clyde, Princess and Doc. We may not always agree but I know you know your stuff. By all means I didn’t mean to offend you guys with my “I know the most” line. Even though I believe I do!

By Richie Rich

August 6, 2006 10:03 PM | Link to this

Sheldon Williams is our 10th man…..Not exactly what you want out of a top 5 pick.

Where will his minutes come from? He now is our 3rd center, if that’s where they want to play him…or our backup PF. The only way i see him being our starting PF, is if BK tells coach Woody to start him, so he doesn’t look like a fool for drafting him and saying that he will contribute immediately.

Our starting lineup should be PG-Speedy Claxton, SG-Joe Johnson, SF-Marvin Williams, PF-Josh Smith, C-Zaza Pachulia.

I am going to be real interested in seeing how Jsmoove looks this year physically….Has he added more weight in the offseason, to help him play PF? Last year he bulked up in the offseason, and looked to be in great shape…Let’s hope for the same thing this year.

By ray

August 6, 2006 10:22 PM | Link to this

I get you, Ken. I too am excited about watching the team this year. As far as Josh Smith goes, if that kid stays in the weight room and has worked on his perimeter game/ball-handling, he’s gonna put the hurt on some teams. Not to mention if he develops a solid post game. Marvin can shoot and drive, but he needs to add strength as well. Time in the weight room won’t hurt Shelden either, although he seems to be fairly strong now. But, to be truly successful, some added strength and the willingness to bring lunchpail and toolbox will be necessary. Can’t wait to see these guys play.

By the way, any of y’all catch the moves JJ was putting on Puerto Rico? Man, he broke one guy’s ankles with a crossover and then drew the foul on the reverse layup. Reminded me of Dr. J on that one. I jumped up and yelled so loud, my pit-bull hauled a** out of the living room. The mastiff just looked at me and went back to sleep. Silly dogs…

By Clyde

August 6, 2006 10:55 PM | Link to this

Hey we need to nickname Sheldon Williams “THE DOG.” Look at his picture and you will see why.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By doc

August 6, 2006 11:31 PM | Link to this

dale you are forgiven man. good times and sun can do it every time. i must have deleted three sarcastic responses but others got the point across as i try to stay in the loght.

dern, clyde taking on more karma i see. did someone beat you up in high school or something?

speaking of love, guys, it is time to really bring on the love. our main man ando is forty on monday so lets all give him a HUGE pass on his birthday and hold on the black crepe. fifty is the one to be wary of anyway. maybe we can hold on the positives about billy for one day, what do you say guys, lets not rile him on his fortieth!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ANDO!

may i be the first to say nothing but good things monday and this year son.

By billy

August 6, 2006 11:48 PM | Link to this

Happy B-day, Ando. Don’t do anything too crazy, but have some fun!

By Clyde

August 7, 2006 12:40 AM | Link to this

Happy B’day Ando.

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By mykhalc

August 7, 2006 01:30 AM | Link to this

happy b’day Ando!! don’t let age affect the number of words it takes to set us straight!! LOL all the best!! GO HAWKS!!:o)

By mykhalc

August 7, 2006 01:35 AM | Link to this

ray, JJ had the best move of the nite with that!!! i holla’d at that one too!!LOL funny dog story bro!!LOL

By Ken Strickland

August 7, 2006 01:44 AM | Link to this

Happy Birthday ANDO. If you go out to celebrate, please remember not to make any of the same dumb decisions you’re always complaining about.

By A Thinking Fan

August 7, 2006 07:49 AM | Link to this

Happy BD ANDO!!!

By mountain_jim

August 7, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

Maybe Sekou will have an update for us today.

Rumour is he was chatting on a radio show about Hawks interest in Mihm (and maybe Cook and filler) - not Bynum which some folks were hoping was involved in a possible Al deal this weekend), and that talks with LA were very real…

stay tuned.

By doc

August 7, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

heard on 680 that the hawks, lakers and bobcats were coming up with things to try and get the bobcats up to the minimum cap as they need to spend more going into the season. it also would get al more money in his first year, up to about 11 mil. no the hawks wouldnt get mihms or cook as they would go to the bobcats with dying one year contracts. do you hear draft picks coming to the hawks from the bobcats, anyone? is there anyone not certain that the hawks dont have money to spend? what happens to edwards? stay tuned.

By michael m.

August 7, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

happy birthday ando, enjoy yourself.

By Astro Joe

August 7, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

Happy B’Day Ando.

I like the Wright signing. Don’t see how it impacts Shelden. Wright will play more C than PF and Shelden gets 1 year to slide into the starting spot. Marvin or Smith are likely playing their last season in a Hawks uniform. BK will have the ability to trade Smith or Marvin, along with Zaza for a top big man if he chooses. Again, this is not a one season contest, its about building a franchise.

BK has put together a roster with every functional need met except a low post scoring big man. But those are few and far between and are not required to make the playoffs (see Chicago & Washington). With Speedy on board, we may see JJ imitate Mitch Richmond down low a few times a game. We have a very solid 10 man rotation, no one should have to play ridiculous minutes if all stay healthy. Every member of our bench rotation (Lue, Salim, Childress, Shelden & Wright) can contribute 20 minutes a game without hurting the team. Woody can play big ball with Zaza, Wright, Marvin, Childress & JJ or go small with Speedy, Salim, JJ, Smith & Shelden. Solomon gets 2 seasons to take over for Wright.

BK took a very strange path, and definitely one that I would not have taken, but he got us to a place where we have a balanced, deep and respectable 10 man roster for our upcoming season. Sprinkle in a few practice players (Batista, Ivey, etc.) and we are ready for the next step in our evolution.

By honest_abe

August 7, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

happy bday ando!

By Basketball Princess

August 7, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

Geesh, you see what happens when the princess leaves the castle….What has been going on? Wait, first let me sing to you Ando “Happyyyyy Birthday tooooo you, Happppyyyyy Birthday toooooo you, Happpyyy Birthday dear sire, Happy Birthday tooo youuuu!

Doc,

Where was that Suburban when I needed it down in Vegas. Cab rides started out at $3.45. I had to catch rides to and from the Thomas and Mack center with the Director of PR for USA Basketball to save a dollar. Wished I had you to drive me round the hot sandy desert.

Great experiance down there…Makes me envious of SS even more, as I still have a long way to go to get on his level.

I met so many NBA execs that I was in Basketball heaven. I Learned a lot more about the game itself being able to be behind the scenes, talken to the coaches, and the execs, and going to the teams practice, just the whole experiance was surreal. Heck Bohemien even gave me some home work to do on his ex college roommate Dave Bing.

By Kappy

August 7, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

Happy B-Day ando. and remember, forty is the new thirty.

I like the lorenzen signing. Sure, he is an undersized big, but he can play our uptempo style without being an offensive liability in transition. Who isnt an undersized big anymore? Shaq? John Hot plate Williams? Stanley Roberts? Wright will give us the frontcourt depth we need.

I love how our balanced roster is coming together. Its not Dallas or Miami, but at least Woody has several different pieces for his disposal. In my opinion, if we dont have a significant improvement in wins, the blame should go to Woody.

And good to see(HOPEFULLY) this blog got rid of those indiana idiots. i dont blame them however. id be mad too if my team got swept by a 26 win team!

BOOYA PACER FANS!!!!

By Kappy

August 7, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

On second thought, I better keep my mouth shut, and let sleeping dogs lie.

Sorry Pacer Fans

By lacsho

August 7, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

Greetings All, I don’t understand why everyone expects either Marvin or Josh to be traded next year. I just do not see Shelden moving either one of those guys out of the starting line-up. His upside does not come close to Marvin’s or Josh’s. If anything Shelden will get moved due the strength of the 07 draft, and the loaded free agency next year. Furthermore,BK is staying under the cap b/c he knows next year we should have better leverage in luring free agents or attaining the true big from the draft. With Wright coming in I see Shelden loosing minutes. B/c its feasible to have Wright and ZaZa on the floor at the same time. If Shelden doesn’t get the minutes the pick becomes a bust. Bottom line Hawks argument for drafting Shelden was for immediate impact at the post position. Just look at the centers and true power forwards that coming into the league next year via the draft or will be made available through free agency. And if the Hawks make a run for the playoffs next year, it will be very easy to get that All-Star BIg that we need.

By lacsho

August 7, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Happy B-day Ando

By Nique Freak

August 7, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

Happy B-day Ando

By Nique Freak

August 7, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

Happy B-day Ando

By Astro Joe

August 7, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

Kappy, your comment has prompted me to return to my soapbox on something. I agree that Woody should have enough assets to deliver no fewer than 35 wins this coming season (I’m predicting 37). But I would feel even better if we had hired some professional developers like many others teams have done this off-season. Rumor has it that Charlotte will hire Charles Oakley to work with their big men. If they can stay healthy, watch Okafor and May become beasts on the boards. Boston hired Clifford Ray to do for Jefferson and Perkins what he did for Howard in Orlando. We had the youngest roster last season and what did we do to help these guys out? Who will serve as the private tutors for Smith and Marvin? of Salim? How about Shelden and Zaza? I know we have penny-pinching owners. But an investment of what, maybe $500k would bring in probably 3 personal assistants to do wonders for these guys. Woody needs to focus on building a solid team defense. Herb Brown/ Larry Drew need to develop the team’s offense. But we should have hired someone like Antoine Carr (big men), Tim Hardaway (guards) and Dan Majerle (wings) to focus on individual player development.

By Nique Freak

August 7, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

Basketball Princess can you tell us anything on Harrington?

By Ken Strickland

August 7, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

ASTRO JOE, your nail on the head post is exactly why I was unwilling to jump on the bash BK bandwagon. I didn’t allow my emotional investment in the team to become a factor in how I viewed his moves. I tried to remain focused on what he was doing, and/or trying to accomplish, and where it would position us, player and team wish, for the future. I realized that although I sometimes questioned his decisions, as opposed to what I would have preferred, IT WASN’T ABOUT ME AND WHAT I WANTED OR PREFERRED. He was the GM and with the approval of The Spirit, and Belkin, he made the decisions and moves based on his vision and goals, not ours. Talent wise, we have a playoff calibur team with only youth and inexperience standing in our way. Depending on how rapidly our young players adjust to each other and, in some cases, their new situation, this team might still suprise everyone and qualify for the playoffs. With Paul starting and being voted last yrs ROY, and with Foye and Roy possibly starting this yr and competing for ROY honors, can you imagine what their respective teams will have to dish out to resign them when they become (R)FA. With CAP space, and a possible 1st rd pick, Harrington trade, or 2, if we miss the playoffs and get lucky, we could possibly get that young, talented big we need to take us rapidly to the next level. I hope the rest of you start to see what JOE and I see for this team. GO HAWKS!!!!

By JSmith5

August 7, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

Does anyone know where Sekou is? Awfully Quiet? hmmmm

By Kappy

August 7, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

Ha. i didnt post that 1:41 post, but i deserved it. good to see they’re still here, but staying out of the way. Will you guys leave us alone once you get AL?

By roan st

August 7, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

I was reviewing next years early draft projections and there will be some damn good talent in the teens and low 20’s. For everyone turning their nose up at a draft pick in the harrington deal, I suggest you review next seasons draft class. There are so many talented sf and pf that it looks like they will push some of the centers down the draft board. In fact only one center is projected to go in the first 9 picks. Here is a look at some of the centers and where they are projected:

1. al horford
2. spencer hawes
3. jason smith
4. de von hardin
5. Aaron gray
6. jermarco davidson

They also have chinese sensation Yi Jianlin(true 7 footer) going at 17 to the pacers. They project him as a Pf in the NBA. The resource I used was hoopshype. Check it out.

By roan st

August 7, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

Wait a minute! The blog somehow changed my numerals to 1-6 instead of the way I listed them. They should be as follows: 10, 13, 15, 20, 21, 28.

By mykhalc

August 7, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

lacsho, it’s what i been sayin’ too!! unless they prove they just CANNOT be on the floor at the same time then look for them to get long term deals from BK (i know, i know..who’s to say who’ll be running the team then. so for right now, i’m goin’ status-quo) besides them and JJ being a strong nucleus, i think that they also have the potential to develop a strong ATL fan base provided they produce on the court. and after watchin’ JJ break ankles in las vegas, i think he comes back to town with a confidence level that allows him to reach the next level. playin’ with the cats he’s playin’ with now, day-in and day-out, is PRICELESS!!!

By Astro Joe

August 7, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this

Lacsho, not saying that Shelden will be better than Marvin or Smith, but that Marvin and Smith will never realize their potential playing on the same team. Neither are true PFs. We may want them to be based on size, but neither have the desire to bang down low and neither have the strength to man the low post block defensively. Next off-season, BK could potentially deal Zaza, Smith and Speedy to the Pacers for J O’Neal. Bibby has a player’s option which ESPN thinks he may use. Sign Bibby to a big contract, resign Lue to be his back-up and suddenly you have a team ready to compete for a home court playoff spot. Don’t like Bibby, go after Billups. Don’t like Jermaine, trade for Kaman in a sign & trade with the Clippers. Many options are available next season if we have owners interested in spending some cash. But again, the days of Marvin and Smith on the same team are surely numbered.

By Kappy

August 7, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

I have just been informed that the one Troll that just happened to be a Pacer Fan and will most likely move on after the Harrington Deal is over.

He is hated on most Pacer Message Boards as well. He thrives on anarchy and loves attention, so best leave him alone.

I was also reminded that most Pacer Fans are very courteous and respectful as a rule, and that do not let this one bad apple influence our opinions on the rest.

I guess that answers my question !

By doc

August 7, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

well it seemed like i asked about the day after the draft how long it would be before we started making the list for next years draft. roan st, dude you bring it on and it aint even mid-august yet.

bp i offered but you would have had to ride out with me and at least keep me awake.but with the modifications i have made with the help of samuel and ando i am now a stylin kind of guy and someone you would dfinitely want to be seen with.

glad you are back.

you need to report in a little more often because your big brothers sometimes worry about you. all except the dirty minded honest who hasnt been able to stay awake since he gave up the stimulants but he will live longer and he will adjust.

By roan st

August 7, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

Doc, the reason I brought up next years class was because of those who moan over the pick were giving phoneix. Seems they all talk about the great centers were missing out on when actually that is not the case. Outside of oden going #1 most of the true centers are being pushed down the board by a group of super talented wing players and athlectic power forwards. If we can in fact get a draft pick then we should have a chance to get a true center in next seasons draft class. That was the point I was trying to make.

By JSmith5

August 7, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

Anyone hear the latest on Harrington yet ?

By Kappy

August 7, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

didnt post the 2:52 post either. i feel violated. why do this? what is the point? you have no other hobbies? i know indianapolis is BORING, but still…find something else to do. Exactly what did we do to provoke this? An unprovoked attack of our blog is completely unnecessary.

fellow bloggers, my apologies for bringing this fool(s) back with my insult. consider me quiet for the immediate future.

By Ron Mexico

August 7, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

Kappy do not ask a question from a troll, if you do not wish a response.

Insulting the town from which he does not reside in will only frustrate the innocent.

By Big Dawg Shelden

August 7, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

Man when is this deal finally going to get done Sekou?

Where has been lately, I know he said take the weekend off , but it’s Monday afternoon.

By newkid

August 7, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Just chill everyone, Tellem is handlin his business now. He will get a quick deal done and have Harrington traded shortly. RealGM said today he is still likely going to Indiana. I hope we get a 1st rd pick unprotected.

We are going to be looking good, just be patient Sekou will be here shortly, I am sure.

By mountain_jim

August 7, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

Yes it’s monday after 4pm and the “Your Monday blog fix with our beat blitz:”

section includes no Hawks beat blitz additions…

Hopefully Sekou is working on a piece that will go up later, but for now its just more waiting and passing around rumours…

By Big Dawg Shelden

August 7, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

I wish I had as much confidence as you newkid. I am afraid BK is going to screw this up, and we get nothing…

By michael m.

August 7, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

those of you assuming either marvin or josh will move on after this year are getting a little ahead of yourself. let’s see how they play together before you trade them away for overpriced vets like jermaine. you want to get rid of josh smith, zaza and speedy just like that? are your crazy? and kaman is not going to be worth the max dollars he will receive. i didnt like the shelden pick really, but its done. and it’s not like there was someone else out there that fit perfectly on our team. it wasn’t that kind of draft. now we have options depending on how our forwards develop this year. we can see how they play together and then make our decisions from there. the addition of wright was not known at the time of the draft. we really got a good deal there, and yes, it does reduce shelden’s minutes most likely. but after seeing summer league it is best he start out just getting 10 a game. we finally have a well-rounded group that offers multiple options for us on the floor. we can see how shelden plays at the 4 and 5. ideally josh smith and marvin williams develop great chemistry together on the floor. stop trying to trade our core away. before the draft it was “shelden will be a career backup”, then after the draft you guys were trading away marvin, and now after summer league you are packaging josh smith away after this year. all i can say is thank god your opinions don’t actually affect our roster.

By lacsho

August 7, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

Astro good point, but with the league changing do we really need Shelden, or do we really just need a true big who’s going to bang down low. I think we could get away with keeping both Marvin and Josh if we had a legit center producing 18 ppg and 10-12 rpg. Josh is the home town guy that’s going to help put people in the seats, and Marvin is projected to be the number 1 player in his draft; I just can’t see it. Let’s watch how this season plays out. If I’m wrong, I owe you a beer.

Mykhalc I agree with you. If this team gets 38 - 42 wins, I guarantee they will not have a problem filling the seats in Phillips. I just look at both of theirs games, and I think they could really compliment each other, especially if Woody allows speedy to push the up tempo pace.

I think both players are trying to develop a low post game, and I can see Marvin becoming more aggressive as his confidence level increases. I looked at a lot of the line-ups in the league via insidehoops, and I say our line-up looks just as good as any in the Eastern Conference.(Excluding Detroit & Chicago) Chicago looks good on paper, but how long will it take them to develop some type of chemistry. I think the Hawks chemistry will be there at the start of the season. I like Orlando’s team too.

By lacsho

August 7, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

M&M I feel you bro

By michael m.

August 7, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

roan, don’t put too much stock yet in where the centers will go next year. they always rise as the draft nears. hibbert from georgetown, the 7’3 guy from connecticut who resembles dikembe, noah, oden, perhaps hawes if he comes out. there are a bunch of centers who will probably be lottery picks along with the sensational wing players coming out.

By Test

August 7, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this

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By Ken Strickland

August 7, 2006 06:23 PM | Link to this

MICHEAL M, like you, I really like the nucleus of this team and I don’t wish to see any of it’s key parts traded. My predictions were made base on a factor that is sometimes overlooked, MONEY$$$$. I believe we have all come to realize that $$ is of even greater importance to Hawks mgt than to most other franchises. Because of the $$$ factor, I don’t believe the owners will match all of the inevitable(R)FA offers, that are sure to come, to keep our current core players in tact. Until things change financially, I look for ownership to possibly stockpile picks and avoid taking on contracts(ala Harrington). Then, if the opportunity presents itself, look for BK to package picks, and/or players, to move into position to draft a talented, versatle BIG to man the middle. Drafting a BIG will be cheaper and more beneficial to the teams future than matching(R)FA offers for forwards that will be easier for the team to replace. This is just my opinion, and it makes sense to me from a financial standpoint.

By newkid

August 7, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

Wasn’t my post at 4:22 p.m. today. Haven’t posted in a week. Sorry guys.

By michael m.

August 7, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

ken,

when exactly did you go from liking our core and supporting bk (perhaps more than he deserved, though it worked in context owing to the many bk bashers) to the NEW KEN who sees us as the clippers of the south…?

we are not trading marvin williams, okay? and unless josh smith and marvin show an inability to play together, they will form our core along with jj for many years to come. i know it can get boring around here when there is not much new to discuss, but it’s as if you awoke from your sleep one night with an epiphany, wrongheaded as it may be. if anything, we are starting to see where our team might be headed. we have options depending on which players produce well together. and part of building a continual winner is allowing your players to play together over - dare i say it? - a number of seasons, and letting them grow together. it seems a number of bloggies around here should take a class in chemistry and drop the math class because chemistry is what we need, not a continued adding and subtracting of players. this is real basketball, not fantasy. when ando told you that one night to just go to bed, ken, it was exactly the right thing to say. and i do not mean to call you out personally, i am also talking symbolically to a lot of the posters who prefer to dwell on the negative. there is a difference when examining our team and its construction between objective, productive analysis and using a microscope to nitpick at any possible flaw in the process. who among us are so perfect that you have never done anything that was less than absolutely, 100% flawless? i know i hold myself to a high standard, but i am not definitely not perfect. too many people around here have a negative attitude, it’s like you want to fail. i think the versatility of our team at present is as fluid as it has been since the days of productive role players like john battle and spud webb supporting the likes of mookie and nique. is it possible for us to look into and examine the roles that the players on our squad might take on instead of just talking about who needs to be traded. come on, think outside the box. that’s what i thought the point of this thing was. perhaps i was wrong and the lowest common denominator always wins. hope im wrong about that, by the way.

By michael m.

August 7, 2006 07:37 PM | Link to this

part of our problem last year was not playing as a team and hustling, going all out, from the opening tip. i feel the hawks now being legitimately ten deep means everyone on our team is going to have to earn their minutes and play like a madman if they want to stay on the floor. if they’re not bringing it, we bring in someone else. in this way, we won’t suffer the same fate where we are playing catch up. our versatility is also going to allow us to match up well with pretty much everyone. obviously shaq is in a universe all his own, but against the orlandos that have two bigs, we can bring in zaza and wright together for spells. i really feel the wright signing does a lot more for us than just what wright is worth alone. he really does balance us out to a significant degree. don’t worry so much if shelden doesn’t start or play 25 minutes, it’s ok. it’s not just about him. this is a team game, the goal is not to make the all-rookie team. when we go small, he can play center. i know some of you don’t see it, but you’re not paying attention to the direction the league is headed. there are lineups where it will work. what is great now is that we aren’t forced into playing him 20 minutes a night at the 5. and stop saying he is 6’7. they play in shoes in this league and everyone gets listed at that height. so he is 6’9.

until a few nights ago, i thought the max we could win this year was 35. now i feel like if we play up to the level of our talent, we can play .500 ball. we have a few veterans to help set the tempo for our youngsters.

one of the keys is going to be playing good team defense. that means hustle, effort. playing with a sense of urgency. like i said earlier, one of our biggest problems last year was not playing together as a team on the floor. if we do that, then we will be happier fans and our team will show us what they are capable of, with the W column swelling to numbers we haven’t seen in a while. that job falls to woodsen. if he cannot get these guys to buy in and get us over the 30 win hump, then he will have to go.

in terms of team strategy this year, i still hope jj plays some at the 1 because i think it allows childress and salim to see the floor more. to me, lue might not get much time some nights. he is important though because speedy gets hurt often. but depending on who is leading our team best that night, that’s who should get the bulk of the minutes. we start with speedy, jj, marvin, smith and zaza…. and then we go from there. training camp will be about establishing who is first off the bench. but the second half of games should be about who has “the stuff” that night. we will find out which of our guys play well together…. who helps establish the defensive tempo and energy… what guys can get us instant points off the bench, etc.

anyway, this is the kind of blog discussion i am hoping we can move towards. hope you guys agree.

By doc

August 7, 2006 09:20 PM | Link to this

roan we are on the same side of the street usually and i assure you no reasoning will change their tune but appreciate the attempt and sharing the info. just playing a bit with you absolutely no harm intended.

kappy remember karma the next time.

By Ken Strickland

August 7, 2006 09:40 PM | Link to this

Wow, MICHAEL M., I didn’t mean to bring out the ANDO in you(smile). Nothing about me has changed, especially my support for this team and its players. But, it is not unreasonable to expect some change in the future, especially when $$$is involved. As far as our core of players is concerned, I realize that there is an outer core and an inner core. Exactly who falls where I don’t know. I just don’t think it’s reasonable to expect ownership to match(R)FA offers for SS, MW, JS, JC, SW & SJ when only 2 of them will be starters. At some point, some will surely want to become starters and will want to go elsewhere. If the(R)FA offers aren’t matched, the team will either lose them, without compensation, or be forced to do a S&T. MGT will decide which players constitute that inner core which would be untouchable. I don’t think trading 1 or 2 players over a 2/3yr period will adversely affect the teams chemistry, unless it’s an inner core player. Any way, don’t let my theories become a distraction, for any of you, as we go boldly into the upcoming season with great anticipation. GO HAWKS!!!!

By Get Better

August 7, 2006 10:11 PM | Link to this

After reading a couple of posts pushing for the Kandi man I did some googling and found the following on realgm. Its a posting of the Hollinger PER (Hollinger Player Efficiency Ratings) for the 2006 top free agent centers.

Who’d have thought - Melvin Ely!!

Melvin Ely, Charlotte (Restricted): 15/6 / 14.2 / +1.5 Ben Wallace, Detroit: 18.8 / 17.4 / +1.4 Joel Przybilla, Portland: 16.4 / 16.0 /+0.4 Jarron Collins, Utah: 11.7 / 11.3 / +0.3 Lorenzen Wright, PF/C, Memphis: 13.3 / 14/6 / -1.3 Scot Pollard, Indiana : 13.8 / 16.1 / -2.3 Nazr Mohammed, C, San Antonio: 15.9 / 19.0 / -3.1 Loren Woods, Toronto : 12.9 / 19.3 / -6.4 Michael Olowokandi, C, Boston : 7.5 / 15.9 / -8.4 Brian Grant, Phoenix : 7.5 / 18.6 / -11.1 Antonio Davis, Toronto : 6.2 / 20.8 / -14.6 Ervin Johnson, Milwaukee : 3.8 / 32.6 / -28.8 Nene, PF/C, Denver (Restricted): minutes too limited for analysis Kelvin Kato, Detroit: minutes too limited for analysis