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By Matt

March 9, 2009 1:03 PM | Link to this

Has anyone ever been ticketed for going less than 85 on a highway in Georgia? Kick your citizens when they are down… I’m so glad we elected you to come up with creative ways to tax us.

By Many Questions, Few Answers

March 9, 2009 1:04 PM | Link to this

Why charge people more ($200) for going fast on the Interstate when they are designed for higher speeds and only ($75) for two lane roads? Is someone looking after their rural friends, and is it because there is more interstate traffic which means more money?

Another tax dressed up in the form of public safety. How can Germany have a much lower fatality rate yet have much higher speed limits?

By kvstrobe

March 9, 2009 1:08 PM | Link to this

Should that be 75 mph on two lane roads?

By Dean

March 9, 2009 1:10 PM | Link to this

I’m all for that. But what I am against is the variations in fines throughout GA. If you have ever gotten a speeding ticket on I-16 in METTER, GA you know what I’m talking about. It appears to me that METTER, GA considers ANY speeding “Superspeeding”. Our legislature has no fortitude for it, but uniform fines should be instituted on Interstate highways in GA.

By jabster

March 9, 2009 1:10 PM | Link to this

What do they really want to do? Slow traffic down or raise money? Just like the tobacco tax, it CANNOT effectively do both. Or are they just trying to hit the “sweet spot” of what the market will bear to maximize revenue, and shut up protests of what is really a tax increase with the dumb@$$ response “do the crime, do the time”?

And what if it DOES slow traffic down? Then where will they get the money? The tobacco tax worked too well at getting people to kick butts, and now all the states who thought they could balance their budgets on the backs of smokers are having to look to nonsmokers like me for the money (that’s why they’re also looking to put back the sales tax on groceries).

We’re not talking about a handful of motorists. This equates to 115,000 tickets per year, per their projections.

You see? Traffic enforcement really IS all about the Benjamins. Sunni Perdue is really giving the Georgia GOP a bad name. Just shut the heck up and pay.

Ask not for whom the taxman cometh, for he comes for you!

Maybe I’ll vote for the LP in ‘10. Who cares if it gets a Democrat in there…with friends like the Georgia GOP, who needs enemies?

By 285 SUCKS

March 9, 2009 1:11 PM | Link to this

I received on from the Ga. State patrol for going 85 on 285. Ticket was only $150. This was 4 or 5 years ago. Raising them 200 would put them with the city of atlanta as far as pricing goes. Atlanta police that ticket was going to be well over $300!

By Matt

March 9, 2009 1:14 PM | Link to this

Every single time someone is murdered, assaulted, or robbed and an officer is writing someone a ticket it just reaffirms that money supersedes true public safety in the eyes of government.

By Jimmy

March 9, 2009 1:14 PM | Link to this

It is ridiculous that some parts of I-75 — a 6-lane road on each side — are 55 mph. Nobody drives 55 on those roads so basically everyone could get hit with this tax. They tried this surcharge stuff in Virginia and it failed miserably.

By TONY STEWART

March 9, 2009 1:14 PM | Link to this

You’ll never catch me copper

By Jennifer

March 9, 2009 1:15 PM | Link to this

Yet another tax from the most fiscally irresponsible group of Republicans I’ve ever seen in GA.

They took over in 2002 and we’ve been going downhill fast since then.

Guess we should have known better.

By Jacob Wood

March 9, 2009 1:16 PM | Link to this

This would make the fine for going 85 in a 65 over 400.00 in several municipalities…over a weeks pay for many of us. Unreal.

By reality

March 9, 2009 1:17 PM | Link to this

The answer is obvious — Germans are better drivers. They have a much better public transportation systems so, some people can get around without having to drive themselves - for public good. In GA, it is impossible to live without a car - so a lot more less than competent drivers out there.

By tuggle

March 9, 2009 1:18 PM | Link to this

georgia republicans are GREEDY! and I don’t trust any of their “brilliant” fund-raising efforts. did they ever stop to think that MAYBE the reasons motorists are getting their licenses suspsended is because they can’t pay the already high traffic fines. Go figure…if my fine is $75 and I can’t pay it, what’s the sense of adding $100 to the fine when it is late? Georgia Republicans, stop taking your citizen’s money and leave us something to live on!!!!

By harold

March 9, 2009 1:20 PM | Link to this

85 in a 70 is only 15 mph over. That is a superspeeder? Sonny has plumb lost his mind.

By Georgia Republican

March 9, 2009 1:22 PM | Link to this

I promise to vote against any representative voting for this bill. It is just more Nazi type control for the government!

By horsechump

March 9, 2009 1:23 PM | Link to this

I’m not concerned with a $200 fine since I don’t drive faster than 85 anyway. What I AM concerned with is maniacs who DO driver faster than 85 on ANY road! As to why Germany has a lower fatality rate, its partially because they have more law-abiding drivers. For example, they are not allowed to ‘pass on the right’ and they always pay attention to other drivers’ turn signals. In the USA, people will pass you on the left, the right, over, or even under; whatever it takes to get past you. And turn signals (at least in Georgia) seem to be totally meaningless to other drivers. We are totally sloppy drivers, and the only way to compensate is to maintain lower speed limits. And who wants to be as regimented as Germany anyway? (be careful what you ask for)!

By jabster

March 9, 2009 1:25 PM | Link to this

Jimmy—Virginia tried this surcharge stuff and all the local traffic courts were clogged with folks fighting their tickets. It’s not around any more…

285Sucks: $150’s a lot for a parking ticket…or did you get written up for obstructing traffic?

GaGOP 2010 Motto: STHU and Pay…

By Aaron Gould Sheinin

March 9, 2009 1:26 PM | Link to this

kvstrobe and many questions, thanks a bunch. You are correct, it should be 75 mph. I’ve fixed.

By Bill

March 9, 2009 1:26 PM | Link to this

COPS ARE NOT TAX COLLECTORS!!!! Stop treating law enforcement as piggy banks. The very fact that its not as costly to get a “superspeeder” ticket on a 2-lane rd vs an interstate shows me that Sonny and company are looking to fill coffers, not enhance safety. Guess its getting harder to justify going to football games in FL now on taxpayer dollars huh?

By Bill

March 9, 2009 1:30 PM | Link to this

Do like I do….ever since I got radar trapped in Sandy Springs on my way to Florida….I hit them where it hurts. Vote with your wallet in other ways. I live in TN and now when I need to go to Florida, I drive through Alabama instead. Alabama gets my revenue and tax $$$ from gas and food purchases. Don’t reward GA politicians for stupidity and greed. I feel for those of you who live there and have no choice. Avoid Sandy Springs. They are being added to the National Speed Trap registry online.

By Sammy Hagar the Horrible

March 9, 2009 1:30 PM | Link to this

Sandy Springs also must have a superspeeder policy: Going 90+ on GA 400 will get you a $1000 ticket… Of course, as a new city, they have new statues to erect and buildings to guild…

By ME

March 9, 2009 1:31 PM | Link to this

The statement below shows that they are not interested in lowering the amount of speeders. their interest is in GETTING the MONEY!!

But in defense, this has got to be the easiest tax to avoid, just SLOW DOWN. :0)

The outcome of this bill was in doubt. Cole got several unfriendly questions and Rep. Doug Collins (R-Gainesville), questioned the need for the bill before proposing an amendment that was would allow Georgia Highway Patrol troopers to run radar in unmarked cars during daylight hours.

Collins said that would do more to stop speeders than the threat of higher fines.

By chris

March 9, 2009 1:32 PM | Link to this

good point reality

By Lynn

March 9, 2009 1:32 PM | Link to this

I got a $230 ticket for doing 65mph on a 45mph road here in Duluth. So this doesn’t sound that bad to me!

By Ron Paul

March 9, 2009 1:33 PM | Link to this

Not going to fly!! Next election, your all OUT!!

Police officers are NOT tax collectors!!! They are supposed to keep the peace and patrol neighborhoods and businesses. Return them to black and white cars and the days when police officers were there when you needed them.

This will not apply to illegals!

By PM

March 9, 2009 1:34 PM | Link to this

Hey horsechump, maybe you’re not aware of this but there are highways in GA where the legal posted speed limits are 65 or 70, and I think even 75 in some places. These are very rural areas of course.

By setting the high penalty number at 85, that’s only 10-15 miles over the posted limit. Most people already drive 10 over everywhere on every road so this new law comes dangerous close to penalizing people for routine behavior, which makes it a tax.

With so many people driving 70, or 80, or 85, if it was unsafe, we’d have dead bodies everywhere. We do not, despite what the news wants to tell you.

By Savannah Republican

March 9, 2009 1:35 PM | Link to this

This is not another tax. You have a choice to speed, if you do you pay the price. Makes sense that this should fund trauma as I work in a hospital and see first hand the results of speeding. Many uninsured drivers end up in our Emergency Room and our hospital picks up the tab. It is about time the people who use our Trauma services pay for our Trauma services.

By Justan Observer

March 9, 2009 1:35 PM | Link to this

Matt @ 1:14pm I’m not folowing your logic… Are you saying that if we stop writing tickets, we’ll stop all murders, assaults and robberies?

the article above had a typo. It’s $200 fine, 85+ mph on 4 lane and 75+ mph on two lane roads. (google “georgia superspeeder” for details) One flaw in the proposed law is that interstate is at most a 70mph limit, so 85mph is only 15-over before the fine. There are some 2 lane roads that allow 55mph, so I could be going 74mph, 19-over and not incur the fine. less safe road (engineering-wise) that allows a greater degree of unsafe activity. Go figure…

By sansho1

March 9, 2009 1:36 PM | Link to this

Who needs to go over 85 MPH? If you’ve arranged your life in such a way that you’re constantly in a mortal hurry, then you are by definition a hazard to others and you SHOULD be fined for it. Here’s a concept you might consider while you drive like banshees everywhere — it’s called OTHER PEOPLE. Think about ‘em sometime.

By RW

March 9, 2009 1:37 PM | Link to this

$200.00 on the interstate and $75.00 on a two lane road? That seems backward, but the interstate is where the volume is.

A speeding tax to fund a project.

pure and simple.

Maybe they should cut state spending by 30%, that would leave plenty of money for the project, without the speeding tax increase.

By Tax Me More Please!!

March 9, 2009 1:39 PM | Link to this

Maybe he is saying that high speed alone is not the problem, and that Germany has a good idea about how to run an EXPRESSWAY system. I don’t think anyone (or most people) want to follow Germany’s political example since it has not had the greatest track record in the past.

I agree that we need much better driver training though. People pass on the right because slow people in the left lane wont move over. 85 may not be okay in urban areas but why not in the country?

By Jill

March 9, 2009 1:39 PM | Link to this

I’d much rather have a tax like this where we can avoid it by simple behavior modification than taxes we all have to pay no matter what. The more creative they can get along these lines, the better!

By Not A Purdue Supporter

March 9, 2009 1:40 PM | Link to this

Quit complaining…you voted for Sonny not once but twice. He didn’t do anything in his first term to deserve another term. But you did it and can only blame yourself. Please don’t vote for somebody unless you know something about them. Become an informed voter next time!!

By Fast&Furious

March 9, 2009 1:41 PM | Link to this

Sonny and to all concerned…Drive at your own risk. This is really about the state getting more $…I’ve never been caught and I won’t get caught by your precious GSP. I’ll always be a speeder, I mean SuperSpeeder when driving my turbo RX-7. Especially during the underground hwy races…It pays well. Tax free money is the best money in a recession! I’ll see you on 85, 75, 285, 675, etc…

By KJ

March 9, 2009 1:41 PM | Link to this

So mnay people act like getting a speedy ticket is an injustice. You get the ticket for breaking the law. Would you rather go to jail? If you ever listened to what they tell you when you get a ticket is that the ticket is lieu of bail meaning the ticket keeps you out of jail. The fine is the punishment for breaking the law just as a jail sentence is. If you can’t afford to pay the fine, don’t speed.

Driving is a privilege not a right.

By Paying taxes for what

March 9, 2009 1:42 PM | Link to this

Maybe we should have police to enforce the more serious crimes such as murder and robbery. Last time I checked more people were murdered than victims of speeding motorists. Let’s be real and if we need more tax money, raise the registration fees and let’s let the police protect us and not rape our wallets. I too will remember on election day what politicians forget what the main purpose of the police are.

By jabster

March 9, 2009 1:44 PM | Link to this

South Carolina has very aggressive law enforcement and pricey tickets with lots of surcharges (sometimes more than doubling the fine)…and the highest fatality rate in the NATION.

Law enforcement does not equal public safety. But then again, when’s the last time you heard a lawMAKER say “they’re ought NOT be a law”? When is the last time you heard politicians say “We made a mistake”?

“Be glad you don’t get all the government you pay for.”—Will Rogers

By Storm Debris

March 9, 2009 1:46 PM | Link to this

How about putting more money into drivers education in the high schools. This would go directly after the problem of careless drivers, which would lead to lower road fatalities. I also would be interested in seeing how these legislatures will deal with their own tickets when they high tail it out of Atlanta at the end of their session. I think that this is just irresponsible way of taxing citizens.

By KJ

March 9, 2009 1:47 PM | Link to this

I forgot to mention most insurance companies consider 15mph over to be reckless driving and a ticket with that amount could have an effect on the cost of insurance.

By Ron

March 9, 2009 1:47 PM | Link to this

I do not drive on l-75 daily but when I have 80 seems to be a rather normal speed outside Metro. 85 is not uncommon at all so how is this considered super-speeding. It will be akin to “shooting fish in a barrel”. Maybe over 90 mph or SUPERSPEEDING actually 95 mph. And why such a large amt. if it were a first timer etc. Legislature should be able to come up with better and more sophisticated ideas than this.

By Aubrey

March 9, 2009 1:47 PM | Link to this

I hate to break it to these lawmakers but the habitual speeders are those that travel the rodes every day and manuever quite well. They aren’t the ones causing accidents. How many accidents involve high speed in this town? Now cell phone driving… that’s a different story altogether.

By Ima Nidiot

March 9, 2009 1:48 PM | Link to this

Aw cmon fellas, super-speeding is one of my last guilty pleasures.

After getting stuck behind some brainiac on GA 400 who things that 56 mph is ‘scary fast’, a little blast of speed up to 85 or so just makes you feel better.

By the way, y’all know that the law about visible speed traps does not apply to the State Troopers? That’s why my buddy in that Blue with orange lettering Dodge Charger can hide in the bushes where the guardrail ends….on GA400 South, on the downhill approach to the Toll Plaza, righthand shoulder where the speed limit goes to an insanely stupid 45MPH. So whenever the road is dry and the temp is above 40 degrees, you’ll see a little laser gun poking out of the bushes……. Of course that’s if the SandySprings guy is not in the shadow of the overpass at the same location.

By Josh

March 9, 2009 1:49 PM | Link to this

Most who drive this fast are likely young, foolish and irresponsible and/or drunk. Go ahead idiots, save me some taxes while you’re at it!

By Ayn Rand was Right

March 9, 2009 1:50 PM | Link to this

I say put a tax on left lane slow pokes. It will either eliminate passing on the right, or make GA a heck of a lot of revenue!

By fitzgerald

March 9, 2009 1:51 PM | Link to this

Okay folks. Let’s not have any speed limits on the interstates……..all of the crashes will eliminate too many drivers. And, lower the speed limit to 30 miles per hour on all the other roads and really start collecting a lot of money. Just kidding.

By Storm Debris

March 9, 2009 1:51 PM | Link to this

If you drive less than 85 on any freeway then you may get threatened by a roadragging motorist. The major highways are just not designed to drive the speed limit. The number of speed traps and high volume of tickets that are issued now is too high. Why give these small cities more of an incentive on setting up speed traps. (Watch out if you travel along I-16, Henry County, Butts County, Douglas County, and the most infamous of them all, Lowndes County. Another knee jerk bill pasted by our leaders that will cause more problems than bring solution to any problem.

By jabster

March 9, 2009 1:52 PM | Link to this

Sansho1:

Who needs to go over 55 MPH? Who needs to go over 35 MPH, like it was during WWII? Fact is, roads and cars are much safer than they used to be. I saw a driver’s safety guide from the 1930s and 50 MPH was then considered a reckless speed. Times change.

Why don’t YOU think about other people for once, even though your ox isn’t getting gored (yet)? I think about other people every day, especially since I’m now paying someone else’s house note thanks to Obama.

Jill: See my post at 1:10. If you modify everyone’s behavior there won’t be any taxpayers left. Then what do you do?

By Rick

March 9, 2009 1:54 PM | Link to this

To answer the question about German drivers…they are actually taught HOW to drive..it takes several hundred dollars and about 6 months worth of training to get a drivers license in Germany. As we all know, any moron can drive in this country and the rest of us beware. Pass the bill.

By Former Atlantan

March 9, 2009 1:56 PM | Link to this

I don’t think the fines are enough. They should triple them or more. Speeding must be stopped!

By gttim

March 9, 2009 1:57 PM | Link to this

How about $200 for talking, messing, or texting with your cell phone while driving. That would save more lives, reduce accidents and generate more income.

By Speed Limits are the law, not suggestions

March 9, 2009 1:57 PM | Link to this

Here’s a thought: why don’t you just obey the law and drive the speed limit? I don’t care why this bill is being proposed, those of you that blow down the interstate at 85+ deserve to be inconvenienced.

By WG

March 9, 2009 1:59 PM | Link to this

THE REAL CULPRITS should be DUI!!! $1,000.00 for the first. $2,000.00 for the second. $3,000.00 for the third with a long,long time in jail. Speeding & DUI move out of the state.

By Kurt Busch

March 9, 2009 2:03 PM | Link to this

Tony Stewart:

Forget the cops you could not even catch me yesterday!!!

Kurt Busch Winner

By jabster

March 9, 2009 2:04 PM | Link to this

KJ wrote:

So mnay people act like getting a speedy ticket is an injustice. You get the ticket for breaking the law. Would you rather go to jail?

We’re talking about NOT getting a LAW passed, not contending with an existing law. And if you have taken history 101, many laws past and present have nothing to do with justice or are downright unjust.

As stated in the Georgia constitution, justice involves judging both guilt or innocence AND the merits of the law itself. Justice demands the acquittal of those who are “guilty” of breaking bad laws.

Actually, Kim Peterson (the Kimmer, formerly of WGST) said that there should be no such thing as traffic tickets. If you’re driving so poorly that you are a bona fide menace to public safety, then you should go to jail. Otherwise, you should be left alone. In other words, if it doesn’t merit a ride downtown it doesn’t merit a ticket.

Those of you who think that this won’t affect you in some way down the road—including how to fund trauma care down the road when traffic fines aren’t enough—just don’t get it.

By 2BFree

March 9, 2009 2:05 PM | Link to this

I see very dangerous drivers everyday and not all of them are going over this set “superspeeder” code. And many that are exceeding it are traveling very safely. Case in point, go I-16 past Dublin and the interstate is very safe to travel 85 to 100 mph during the week day when it is empty. However trying to wheeze in and out of downtown congestion at 65 when the average speed is 35, is very dangerous.

As to the $200 fine, will that be above the standard or will that be the fine? Travel in South Georgia and you’ll find that many fines are close to that already. I was ticketed for traveling 64 in a 55 and the fine was $205 in Dooley County. Funny the fine for 65 to 69 was only $215 and 70 to 74 was $225. I bet most all their tickets are for less than 10 over.

By keepin it real

March 9, 2009 2:05 PM | Link to this

Wow… Finally the City of Lawrenceville is ahead of it’s time!!!! LOL

By Grey

March 9, 2009 2:05 PM | Link to this

Since when do fines for breaking the law constitute government taxing. Georgia drivers are some of the worst I’ve seen. There is no courtesy on the road in this state. Nothing but speeders, tailgaters & erratic lane changers. Everyone needs to be ahead of one another. Chill out people. You’ll get there.

By George Busbee

March 9, 2009 2:06 PM | Link to this

Georgia State Patrolmen are the most flagrant ‘super speeders’. Flying past with no emergency lights at 100+ mph, they go to set up the next radar nest (to protect the people). I-75 and I-85 are bad… I-16 is the worse.

Super speeding is bull. It is just another revenue ploy. Meanwhile you guys are arguing about GERMANY????

No need for teh government to spin. You’re self-spinners.

Easily distracted while the government takes more of your money again. I remember 3 percent inflation adjusted sales tax in Georgia. Keep sleeping…

By 285 Sucks

March 9, 2009 2:08 PM | Link to this

jabster, no it was for speeding… I am one of the few that actually has received a speeding ticket on 285, possibly the only one

By GoP LOST In Space

March 9, 2009 2:08 PM | Link to this

This is a Tax no bone about it. you clowns say you are not for higher taxes . This help Big Business Like insurance company. The little guy get no help from this! More money for the Government and Big business .Bigger government! People of georgia are getting taken again!! We all ready have a law for this on the books. This is rape!

By 2BFree

March 9, 2009 2:09 PM | Link to this

I agree with the DUI fines and jail time. I know a woman ust convicted of her 5th DUI. She was in jail about 3 months with her 4th for 3 months and went about 4 years without getting caught (well actually only 3 since she had a suspended license for the 1st year). She wasn’t even locked up this time. DUI should carry a 3 strikes law. The 3rd offense and they ban you for driving for life. To the local jurisdictions I think it is more about the revenue from fines than saving lives.

By crackbaby

March 9, 2009 2:09 PM | Link to this

Have y’all noticed that every stinkin’ local government with a police force is handing out moving violations like Halloween candy?!

AJC should do a study to see how much municipal government is funded by traffic tickets to ordinary citizens. I guarantee that the fines collected exceed law enforcement’s cost of operations by a healthy margin.

Its a bitter pill when local govts. pick on otherwise law abiding citizens with speed traps, j-walking tickets, etc. It would be interesting to see a list of worst offending municipalities. Johns Creek, Sandy Springs, Milton, Alpharetta would likely all be in the top 10.

By Matt

March 9, 2009 2:10 PM | Link to this

By Justan Observer

March 9, 2009 1:35 PM | Link to this

Matt @ 1:14pm I’m not folowing your logic… Are you saying that if we stop writing tickets, we’ll stop all murders, assaults and robberies?

No - I am saying that the police should start writing tickets as soon as they solve/prevent every single assault. Otherwise they should be patrolling dilligently to prevent violence. As others are saying, this reduces the important and prestigious job of law enforcement to the lowly and disrespected job of tax collection. I respect law enforcement more than that and expect for them.

By bchat

March 9, 2009 2:10 PM | Link to this

i got a $400 tkt for doing 34mph in a 25mph in stonemountain. is that fair?

By Kimberly

March 9, 2009 2:10 PM | Link to this

It is about time…The drivers on 400 at 6:30 AM ARE CRAZY. They drive as if they are on a speedway. Please start there…

By Old School Al

March 9, 2009 2:13 PM | Link to this

Rather than tax the so-called superspeeder, why don’t you look at the ones who are creating the traffic jams. Nothing irks me more than having to drive on the interstate at 55 mph because you have all lanes occupied by cars going the exact same speed. Nobody will pass and move over so traffic can move, yet there is a 1 - 2 mile open space ahead of them and 5 miles of cars hitting brakes behind them. When you finally break through from that, you have no choice but to speed so you can get to your destination on time!

By Andy in the Mtns

March 9, 2009 2:13 PM | Link to this

Hell, even as a speeder I’m all for it. Having recently been given a Courtesy Warning by the GSP for doing 20 over (didn’t know such a thing existed LOL) I know better than to run 85+ on the interstates.

Do the crime pay the fine.

By R2D2

March 9, 2009 2:14 PM | Link to this

All you have to do is slow your @$$es down and drive like you have some sense and won’t have to worry about getting a ticket!!!!

By timthebrave

March 9, 2009 2:14 PM | Link to this

A superspeeder is someone going over 85MPH on a highway where the speed limits are up to 70? Thanks for worrying about the wrong things. The economy is going down the tank and all he cares about is how he can get a little more money out of the broke citizens. Why not worry about things that matter. We need to get these sorry government officials out of office. They won’t pass a law to allow alcohol sales on sunday even though the majority of their citizens want it but they will pass a law to get a little more money out of superspeeders(aka everyone driving on 75/85)

By Opus X

March 9, 2009 2:16 PM | Link to this

If this is such a good idea, instead of $200 it should be $2,000.

By Sonny

March 9, 2009 2:17 PM | Link to this

Come on y’all.. I have to pay for my fishin’ hole down in Bonaire SOMEHOW!!!

By ed

March 9, 2009 2:18 PM | Link to this

when can we start fining the superdumb or the super slow drivers?

By timthebrave

March 9, 2009 2:19 PM | Link to this

The fine is not $200. It is $200 MORE than the usual fine. So if the fine was 200 it will now be 400.

By Toni

March 9, 2009 2:21 PM | Link to this

Many questions, few answers….U will pay an extra $200 if you are going over 85mph on interstates and 75mph on two way roads. There is no difference in the fine for the two. Either way, this is not the time to tax people or create ways to do it

By Hawk

March 9, 2009 2:21 PM | Link to this

Superspeeders (85 mph and over) hell with that, try anything over 70 mph. But what good is it going to do, hell if high gas prices won’t slow people down what makes them think this will.
Maybe if people slow down and stay off damn cell phone then trauma centers won’t have so many people from wrecks (at least that’s what they say). A very quick solution, it just needs to stay very cold outside, but I can see now that won’t work either.

By jabster

March 9, 2009 2:24 PM | Link to this

Crackbaby:

According to the Gwinnett Daily Post Mortem (if it bleeds, it leads), City of Duluth gets ONE THIRD of its budget from traffic fines (IIRC, it was about $4M out of a $12M budget, with licenses and property tax each making up a third). The number of tickets has dropped off, so they are looking for additional revenue sources (see my comment at 1:10).

They are patting themselves on the back for doing such a great job with law enforcement—when in reality, the Gwinnexicanos have gone home and the unemployed are parked by the tube, or have left town (Forbes said that ATL is third in the nation in housing vacancies, and the GDP publishes 4 or more sections of foreclosures every Thursday).

You’ll have to pay to check it out in the AJC’s Stacks, but the AJC did a great article a few years ago about how much traffic fines were funding suburban city governments.

By Doin' 85 around 285

March 9, 2009 2:24 PM | Link to this

Ok - speed kills. No question there. However, what really kills are un-educated drivers. You know the ones. They are in the left two lanes out of 6, chugging along at 50 while the rest of the Atlanta traffic around them is moving along at 75/80. Then what happens? Those drivers, that are going along with the flow, need to pass the idiot that is driving 50 in the left lane. Where do they go? Either pull over into the HOV lane (and risk getting a ticket there) or pass on the right. With the latter being the more dangerous one. If we would ticket the idiots and then force them to learn how the Germans drive, with common sense - we could all continue driving at 85 around the loop and it would work just fine. Come on - think about it - if safety was really the issue here, then the law makers would force all car manufacturers to build cars with radio receivers that would limit the car to a certain speed depending on the the stretch of highway they were on. It would cost fifty bucks to put such a device in every car and then have transmitters on the roadways (instead of speed limit signs) that would limit your car to the current speed limit . No more speeders. No mre tax revenue. Less accidents, less fatilities, less waste of gas, etc, etc, etc. A win-win for everyone. Except it will never happen. As long as the coffers of local governments can’t keep up with their spending, taxes will be levied one way or anothers. Those in charge, would rather see us continue to speed (85 and above) so that they can continue to collect from us. We all have learned the main lesson of life - educate someone before they do something stupid is better than fining and punishing them after they have performed their stupid act. We know this to be true, but we’ll never act upon it. No one really wants a utopia where we are all law abiding citizens. The system would crash and fail. Humans - we’ll never change. Greed will control our lives forever. Just check the PAY THIS AMOUNT on your next traffic ticket to be reminded of this ……

By Politicians >:o(

March 9, 2009 2:24 PM | Link to this

Cops should be our friends, not tax collectors.

85 mph is super speeding? Thanks for the tax politicos. Who doesn’t go 85+ on 85?

Driving should be a privledge. Get the stupid teenagers, 90 year old blind people, uninsured, physically or mentally handicapped, illegal (please pull over every 1992 van/ truck with a temp tag!), drunk, unfit-for-the-road car drivers, and just plain idiots off of the streets and let us go 150mph on the highway. My car can handle 150 better than Julio’s 1983 pinto can handle 70. I pay for my own healthcare too. I don’t need more government subsidized trauma care garbage.

Cops should be protecting the innocent from home invasions, muggins, assualts and panhandling.

By Rinny

March 9, 2009 2:25 PM | Link to this

Hey Ed, all the Superslow drivers live in the City of Decatur. The Superdumb ones live in Clayton Co. The Supermean live in Cobb. And last but not least, The Superdumb & Mean live in Gwinnett!!! Just stay out those areas, drive the speed limit and you’ll get there…… alive!!!!

By Shane

March 9, 2009 2:26 PM | Link to this

Why dont you just slow down and save your life and someone elses and some money

By ManOfTeal

March 9, 2009 2:26 PM | Link to this

Having solved all the other ploblems in the state apparently cutting down on “superspeeders” is now numero uno on their hit list….so glad my government works for me…..NOT!!!!

By Gop Lost in Space

March 9, 2009 2:27 PM | Link to this

You give the county police open season on making money, they speed more than any body. IT IS NOT ABOUT SPEEDING IT IS ABOUT THE MONEY! What is Next! Any way to make money in the name of the LAW!!!!!!! This is your GOP LEADERSHIP at work!! Fees the people to death! You clowns don’t pay your taxes put a fee on every body in the state house and senate who did not pay all there taxes. you clowns have lost your minds!!

By Doc 54

March 9, 2009 2:32 PM | Link to this

Having worked in law enforcement for a number of years, I can assure you those sworn to uphold the law and those who make the laws are among the worst offenders. Georgia State Troopers refer to traveling at regular speed or “trooper speed” when discussing how long it will take them to get somewhere. “Trooper speed” means 80 -100 mph and if you do not believe me, go out and sit on I-75 near the Public Safety Training Center in Forsyth around 7:30 AM or 4:00 PM. If you have a radar, you can clock troopers (as well as other law enforcement types) running in excess of 100 mph. In addition, our legilators ride around with special license plates, and if you stop one of these, you are expected to let them go. I am not a bitter person, just one who has seen the hypocrisy first hand.

By Mergirl

March 9, 2009 2:33 PM | Link to this

I don’t understand the complaints on this blog. If you are concerned with paying higher fines….don’t speed! Drivers in this city need to slow down and if higher fines help - FINE EM! I think what would really help is a division of motorcycle cops that only do traffic speed enforcement throughout the metro area. Grady is nearly bankrupt - how else do you want your trauma care paid for??? Where do most of the trauma injuries occur - traffic accidents! THINK people!

By Angry Mike

March 9, 2009 2:35 PM | Link to this

Sonny, you’re a dumbsht! And to the idiot who proposed State Troopers in unmarked cars - this fool should be tarred and feathered. Shows the mentality some of these state government asholes have - complete disconnect with the very population you supposedly represent.

“Superspeeders” - WHAT A JOKE. I hope you have a heart-attack Perdue, and the ambulance gets a speeding ticket on the way to the hospital.

Sit back, drink some Budweiser, pick the lint out of your cavernous belly button and think up some more ways to stick it to the citizens of Georgia.

By twocents

March 9, 2009 2:41 PM | Link to this

Many of the “drivers” that populate Georgia’s highways should be banned from driving all together. In the case of speed limit signs I’m pretty sure the word “limit” would define the maximum speed, not the minimum.

Nothing scarier than some caffeine filled soccer mom (or high powered corporate dad) barreling down the highway with an utter and complete disregard for anyone and everyone surrounding them on the roadway.

By A Happy Democrat

March 9, 2009 2:44 PM | Link to this

The First thing as Taxpayers we should do is Demand a website posted each quarter showing the tickets paid and what “trauma” centers and hospitals the money was paid out to showing the exact amount of dollars paid to each location. We have a right as Taxpayers since it is our Money to show where it is being spent. That’s the problem with the public today, any public paid monies, taxes etc…. are public record and knowledge, and we have the right as citizens to know where those dollars go. The problem is we usually don’t care or pay much attention to it unless there is some major story in the news about it like this one.

Another thing you can do is e-mail or write to good ole Sonny or, Jim Cole, or Doug Collins or House Speaker Glenn Richardson. Let them know that you hate this bill. Ya know it would be interesting to see if any of their family members or even themselves have been pulled over for a ticket and have managed to get out of it due to their status and political prestige. The best thing we could all do but might be the toughest would be to slow down to just above the limits and choke off their new “Bill” right where it counts. But then where will they come up with all the promised money?? Could be very interesting to watch.

Has anyone even raised the question of how it’s funny that we don’t have enough state patrol troopers to watch the highways because of lack of tax dollars but we can take tax dollars to use for other purposes. This again goes back to asking to see where the money is spent!

I know I personally cannot wait until the next gubernatorial election to help vote Sonnys sorry @$$ out of office! Georgia needs to move forward not @$$ backwards!

By Mike

March 9, 2009 2:45 PM | Link to this

We will know they are not concerned with public safety until there are strong, enforceable cell phone laws put in place with regard to driving. The State Patrol has been reduced from a law enforcement body to a revenue stream. Raising money is their only function. Too bad the Girl Scouts already have the corner on the cookie market. Perhaps the state should enact a cookie tax?

By Chardonnay Nicole Thomas

March 9, 2009 2:45 PM | Link to this

I think the penalties should be stiffer and more expensive. People walk around and drive like they have nine lives; everyone in Atlanta speeds uncontrollably and they need to be penalized for it. People are killed daily due to reckless driving. I don’t drive currently, but I completely agree with the new law. Maybe people will learn from this, but I doubt it. People will continue to get killed and people will continue to break the law.

By Get Over

March 9, 2009 2:45 PM | Link to this

If you are in one of the two left lanes going under 80 mph then GET OVER! You are the one causing deadly accidents.

By SN

March 9, 2009 2:46 PM | Link to this

There is no benefit of driving 85 MPH in Atlanta traffic. You burn alot of gas at that speed and it takes a long time to stop from that speed, which makes it very dangerous when traffic comes to a complete stop, which is very common in atlanta. Not to mention, if you swerve or get a blow out at that speed, your death it likely.

Many people in atlanta don’t use turn signals and rip in and out of lanes and tail gate way too much. Outside of the metro 85mph may be fine.

By Traffic cops are parasites

March 9, 2009 2:47 PM | Link to this

I got a ticket for doing 90 and I was NOT speeding. The cop either pulled over the wrong person or was crooked and looking to make his quota. I asked to see the display on the unit and he refused to let me see it. There should not be any profit incentive for localities to issue speeding tickets as they are using it as a revenue generating tool under the guise of “your safety” just like the seat belt law. Traffic cops are parasites.

By Slim Pickens

March 9, 2009 2:48 PM | Link to this

Oh great, now we can hire more buzz cut, I am the king of law, Police Officers for tax collectors! We are slowly becoming a Police State. What is the current ratio of officers to population? Now watch it go out of sight! Sonny’s true stimuls package at work and I voted for the clown..

By MB

March 9, 2009 2:49 PM | Link to this

I quit reading after the first two people, Matt who obviously doesn’t care about the law anyway and the question/answer person with poor reading comprehension, so I apologize if they have already been dealt with. But for anyone worried about this there is a really simple answer. SLOWWWWW DOWN and follow the LAW! I promise you will save gas, money, and sanity. Afraid of being a little late, then just leave a little early. It’s called planning!

By CK from ATL

March 9, 2009 2:53 PM | Link to this

Dean:

I completely agree with you about the differences that each city charges. I too have been ticketed in Metter for doing 15 over the speed limit and my fine was a whopping $500.00. It is obvious that we have elected a retard.

By HopeMyFianceSlowsDown

March 9, 2009 2:54 PM | Link to this

I’m so excited about this! I droves a Honda S2000 and earned (yes, earned) 2 tickets in 2 hours - the first one I really earned, the 2nd I was going 70 in a 55mph zone, but apparently, in North Carolina they actually consider the limit a limit - so, I paid the fine. Anyway, I’m glad they’re trying to pass this into law! I took a class at Road Atlanta and they proved to me that there is a difference in safety when you don’t speed - I just hope my fiance slows down as we could use that money for our honeymoon! Also…as an ex of mine used to quote, “If everyone just slows down we’d all get to work a whole lot faster.” And…as my late grandpa used to say, “It’s a limit, not a minimum…” Of course, that one still makes me giggle - but, I do stay under 10 mph over the limit now…and my insurance is probably $700 less per year because of my new, improved record! (Yes, even with an S2000!)

By el Gringo

March 9, 2009 2:55 PM | Link to this

“Smaller and leaner government” shouldn’t need more money, should operate on less. Go GOP!

By Hawk

March 9, 2009 2:57 PM | Link to this

Mergirl,

You must be one of those that drivers in middle of either 75/85 or 285 going 50. But damn, be real, like someone said on here, the average speed is about around 60 mph or more, so you have to go fast to keep up or keep from being in a wreck. I don’t know about anyone else, but it’s damn scary seeing cars on both sides of my car going 80, switching lanes, on cell phone, and more. That’s just ridiculous and that’s what I call (superspeeders).

By Brian

March 9, 2009 2:58 PM | Link to this

A big problem I have with this is the currently imposed speed limits are not based on any engineering standards. They are set artificially low to make easy targets for revenue generation. Anyone who has driven 55 on 285 knows that creates a dangerous situation. The artificially low limit creates additional problems when you have those that lack lane discipline driving 55 in the left lane because they are going the speed limit. Speed disparity is a much bigger factor than speed by itself. By their calculations they are easily able to apply this new tax to 115,000 drivers and it’s safe to assume that will only represent a fraction of those speeding who are actually caught. That proves that speeding in and of itself is not dangerous as the majority of drivers speed. This was also proven in the case of Montana that did not have speed limits having the lowest fatality rate in the nation compared with states like South Carolina with artificially low speed limits and heavy enforcement having the highest fatality rates in the nation. If safety was the real issue, raising speed limits to a reasonable level, enforcing lane discipline, and ticketing inattentive drivers would have much more positive effects, but speeders make easy targets and the others would require actual work to enforce. It would be interesting to see how few tickets would be written if there was no money factor involved but probably not very many. For those saying to simply obey the law, how bad do laws have to get for you to wake up? I believe strongly in the rule of law but the laws have to be reasonable.

By Tired of all this b***!!!!

March 9, 2009 3:02 PM | Link to this

DON’T SPEED!!! Problem solved!

By Lynne

March 9, 2009 3:05 PM | Link to this

So what does my speed have to do with trauma care? It’s not usually speeders who cause fatal accidents…it’s drunk or distracted drivers. And this “trauma care” is probably just a code word for health care for illegals.

By Felix

March 9, 2009 3:07 PM | Link to this

Traffic laws are to protect the people and not to make revenue for the state. This is why that Ga. code 40-14-8 does not allow local enforce to give a speeding ticket for going less than 10 mph over the speed limit, (State patrol exception). Because of the abuse of local police we had to have such a law. Now this. If you want more money raise our taxes and not disguise it as something else. We can decide on the next election who to represent us in congress!!!

By fdsd

March 9, 2009 3:07 PM | Link to this

Fines should have been higher. You people drive like maniacs on this cities highways without regards for the safety of others not realizing there is a weapon under your feet. Doing 85mph on metro atlanta highways should be a $500 fine and a night in the slammer, that would raise the coffers and teach these idiots in suped up civics and acuras that these roads arent racetracks!

By Matt

March 9, 2009 3:09 PM | Link to this

By MB

March 9, 2009 2:49 PM | Link to this

I quit reading after the first two people, Matt who obviously doesn’t care about the law anyway and the question/answer person with poor reading comprehension, so I apologize if they have already been dealt with. But for anyone worried about this there is a really simple answer. SLOWWWWW DOWN and follow the LAW! I promise you will save gas, money, and sanity. Afraid of being a little late, then just leave a little early. It’s called planning!

Dealt with?

I commute less than 5 minutes to work and never have a chance to come close that speed. I am looking at the issue from a more encompassing perspective. A tax is a tax is a tax - no matter how easily they can continue to pass them over the heads of plebeians such as you under the guise of ‘safety and security’. Thank you for your ‘I like to stand on the sidelines, they know what is best for me’ opinion though.

By superspeeder

March 9, 2009 3:09 PM | Link to this

Some body needs to start ticketing these people that drive “superslow” in the fast lane! BTW, why do people get mad when someone passes them when they are holding up a line of cars behind them? Get in the far right lane if you’re going to go 20mph!

To all that supports this bill, watch out for me while you’re cruising in the fast lane cause I will definitely get you out of my way!

By jabster

March 9, 2009 3:17 PM | Link to this

Everyone:

Remember, George Carlin said that anyone who drives slower than you is a moron and anyone who drives faster than you is a maniac.

All you lawnorder types better be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it. As much as I would like to laugh at your hypocrisy, I’d hate for you to get hit by Sunni’s “SuperSoaker” law as well.

By PMC

March 9, 2009 3:19 PM | Link to this

How about we add a SUPER CORRUPT fine for politicians who are late paying thier taxes for ANY DESCREPANCY WHATSOEVER!!

By Bugman

March 9, 2009 3:21 PM | Link to this

**”The answer is obvious — Germans are better drivers. …”

Yes they are better drivers. To drive in Germany you have to attend several driving schools where you are heavily scrutinized and pay approx $1,500.00. Then you pay about $2k for the license. Not alot of people can afford to drive there. Over there it IS a priviledge to drive unlike a perceived “right” here in the US.

Tony Stewart, can I ride with you?

Amazing this got passed and they couldn’t even get “Sunday Sales” out of committee. Ya’ll are unbelievable.**

By Huh?

March 9, 2009 3:22 PM | Link to this

Huh?

By 2BFree

March 9, 2009 3:22 PM | Link to this

There is an interesting article in this month’s Motor Trend or Car & Driver (can’t remember which) from a former CHP (Ca. Highway Patrol) Accident investigator. He states in his 25 plus years doing accident investigations, speed is the most over abused report in the investigation. That the requirements for each report is to list a reason for the accident and the standard code used is “for speed unsafe for condition”. It didn’t matter if a cell phone was used, someone was adjusting the radio, or any other act which distracts a driver from the road. If the accident wasn’t obvious like running a light, failing to stop, DWI, etc. it was always the old standby “too fast for conditions” or “following too close”.

So those holding on to the “speed kills” crap of the 70’s need to find another battle cry. Inattentive drivers kill and cause more accidents than any other, yet we put more and more devices to take the driver’s eye off the road. Even eating or driving in the vehicle should be illegal and it is unheard of in European countries where spped isn’t a concern. Most German manufacturers took years to understand why American’s wanted cup holders in their cars. Even to this day a cupholder in a BMW is an after thought.

This law as most traffic laws in this country are more about raising capital than saving lives. But using the words “raising taxes” is a death cry if you’re an elected official. But raise the fuel tax .50 a gallon and you’ll notice people drive less and at slower speeds. The fuel prices of nearly $4 a gallon last summer is why most law enforcement agencies saw a decrease in revenue from tickets (less drivers and slower speeds).

By PMC

March 9, 2009 3:23 PM | Link to this

could we worry about something more relevant than speeding please? Driving intoxication maybe? Unsafe Driving?

This is what it is a money grab. most of our interstates including 285 would easily work at 85mph for most vehicles… It’s a limit if you aren’t comfortable driving that fast don’t.

Why not take money from SUPER CORRUPT lawmakers who don’t pay thier taxes????

By Ayn Rand was Right

March 9, 2009 3:23 PM | Link to this

I say put a tax on left lane slow pokes. It will either eliminate passing on the right, or make GA a heck of a lot of revenue!

By Hun?

March 9, 2009 3:23 PM | Link to this

To many questions and no answers, The fine is the same….$200 additional if you are goiong 85mph on interstates OR 75mph on two way roads

By mike

March 9, 2009 3:26 PM | Link to this

That is why I started using the Xpress Bus which has a stop down the street from where I live. Takes me 5 minutes to drive there and park. You clods elected Sunny Perdunce and this is what you get. He will really be smiling when they open up the fish whatever it is next to his property.

By jabster

March 9, 2009 3:26 PM | Link to this

Here’s the real question…

Will Bill Shipp continue his anti-Sonny jihad on this issue as well? I’d like to know just what Sonny ever did to Bill Shipp to make BS hold such a grudge against Sonny.

Sunni Perdue has much not to like, but Bill Shipp needs to give it a rest.

By No MO Taxes

March 9, 2009 3:26 PM | Link to this

We are taxed enough now…please, no mo taxes! Period…none, manage our money well and stop wasting our hard earned dollars! NO MO TAXES

By speed racer

March 9, 2009 3:29 PM | Link to this

WOW!!! Should my name even be on my paycheck anymore or should it just read ‘Pay to the order of the United States Government’?

By 2BFree

March 9, 2009 3:31 PM | Link to this

Re-read 40-14-8 Felix:

(a) No county, city, or campus officer shall be allowed to make a case based on the use of any speed detection device, unless the speed of the vehicle exceeds the posted speed limit by more than ten miles per hour and no conviction shall be had thereon unless such speed is more than ten miles per hour above the posted speed limit.
(b) The limitations contained in subsection (a) of this Code section shall not apply in properly marked school zones one hour before, during, and one hour after the normal hours of school operation, in properly marked historic districts, and in properly marked residential zones. For purposes of this chapter, thoroughfares with speed limits of 35 miles per hour or more shall not be considered residential districts. For purposes of this Code section, the term “historic district” means a historic district as defined in paragraph (5) of Code Section 44-10-22 and which is listed on the Georgia Register of Historic Places or as defined by ordinance adopted pursuant to a local constitutional amendment.

Basically it states a speed detection device is not too be used to make a case for less than 10mph over. First they can claim to have “observed you going so fast over with their calibrated speedometer”. Second they can get you too admit your speed (you are being recorded when asked “do you know how fast you were going”). And finally, while the radar or laser is not used as a basis for a case, that only works if you take the time to go to Court. Otherwise payment of the fine is admitting your guilt. And who is going to drive 90 miles to south GA to fight a 9 mph over fine that will not affect your insurance rates.

By Bulldog

March 9, 2009 3:36 PM | Link to this

Matt, Do you consider vehicular homicide violence? I’m sure anyone who has lost a loved one to an accident caused by a reckless/speeding driver wishes that police on patrol had caught and pulled over the driver, possibly preventing the accident. The police should be looking for, and punishing, people committing all types of crimes, including vehicular ones.

By jimbo

March 9, 2009 3:38 PM | Link to this

Funny how all they seem to talk about his how much revenue this will raise, not about how many lives this will save.

They “think” they’re going after a small segment of the population, and that the rest of us will fall for the ” it’s for safety” bulloney, and cheer them on.

Unfortunately, the limits they’ve set, especially 85 on a highway, is so artificially low that darn near any of us could be snagged by that one at one time or another, and people are noticing this.

On very likely result of this will be more police chases, which is something we should all be worried about.

* Personally, I am an involved voter, and I intend to watch and see who supports this nonsense, and they will *never see my vote again**

By Many Questions, Few Answers

March 9, 2009 3:39 PM | Link to this

To MB

My comprehension is fine. Search for Aaron Gould Sheinin’s post about a typo, the article was updated at 12:41 and was originally posted at 11:33. He made a mistake and I am not the only one who caught it. You’re late at 2:49. Although you probably won’t see this post.

I am just pointing out the many ways the government, and Sonny in particular, will look to make money. The solution to all problems is not to just charge people money. The underlying issue with our driving habits is the lack of proper training not just speeders.

By driver

March 9, 2009 3:42 PM | Link to this

It is a tax, plain and simple. Call it what it is. What a crock.

By EscapeFromGA

March 9, 2009 3:45 PM | Link to this

Interesting…

To those that mentioned Germany and the safety record of their highways: there are many reasons why the highways are safer…

First off, it costs about $2000 to get a driver’s license in Germany. That includes driving instruction in a classroom and behind the wheel. Many school systems in Georgia and across the country are eliminating what driver’s ed programs they have in high schools, so how can we expect people to drive like they have some sense?

Second, if you think that $200 is bad for ‘superspeeding,’ try speeding in Germany!! Driving 20-25 mph over the limit will net you a fine of $180-200, PLUS a one month license suspension. Go faster, and the fines and suspensions go up exponentially.

Third, the Germans use speed cameras. Speed past one of those, and you can expect a ticket in the mail, much like the red light cameras everyone gripes about.

By gayle

March 9, 2009 3:49 PM | Link to this

Do you mean that you can get a ticket for speeding in Georgia? The way people drive on the highways here (law enforcement included) you would think that no such thing can ever happen.

By Newman

March 9, 2009 3:50 PM | Link to this

The fine should be higher, $200 is nothing. If you are getting and then paying speeding tickets in the first place you are just wasting your money. Not to mention wasting gas and risking lives.

By NCL

March 9, 2009 3:51 PM | Link to this

85 MPH is too low….that’s “normal” speeding. Superspeeding is 95 MPH or higher.

By 2BFree

March 9, 2009 3:51 PM | Link to this

Of course if HB480 passes we may not be able to afford a vehicle. It sticks a 7% fee (note they avoided the dreaded word “tax”) on every processed title. This is in lieu of sales tax and ad valorem which sounds good at first. But remember it is for each title, not sale. You buy a vehicle with a 3 year loan, 7%. You put the title in your name without a lien holder, 7% fee. You give the vehicle to your teen, 7% fee. Your teen sells the vehicle in a couple years, another 7% fee. See how interesting this gets. Meanwhile local governments (the ones that actually can show you how your tax money is spent), get shafted because the only revenue they will be reinbursed is equal to their ad valorem collections for 2009. Meaning no allowance for growth and a complete loss of local sales tax revenues.

By Simply Sick

March 9, 2009 3:52 PM | Link to this

I am sick of the politicians trying to tax us to death….and disguising it as a public safety initiative or something to “Help the general public”. Why don’t the Politicians try trimming their budget, like the rest of us are having to do. Imagine that…..actually spending less money, instead of trying to find new ways to tax us to death!!

Or they could just print more money like Obama!!

By Sally

March 9, 2009 3:52 PM | Link to this

If they are looking to raise revenue, I think the IRS should look at the cops free use of patrol cars and free gas to drive back and forth to work as imputed income and taxed as such. I have to pay to drive myself to my job, why should I pay for cops to get a free ride to their job? Why aren’t they taxed on the imputed value of the free ride as income?

By EJ

March 9, 2009 3:53 PM | Link to this

No one ever wrecks because they are speeding. There is always some other reason in addition to speeding that is at the the heart of the accident. Failure to yield, following too close, etc.

Speeding is a victimless crime by itself.

By jabster

March 9, 2009 3:53 PM | Link to this

2BFree:

True, but so much traffic enforcement is driven by technology. Speed wasn’t an issue until the radar gun was invented. DUI wasn’t an issue until the breathalyzer was invented and the implied consent law imposed. Now everyone’s all concerned about red lights, now that we have red-light cameras (which actually increase accidents).

The advantage for the prosecution is getting charges that stick, and thus fines, due to technological evidence that is hard to argue against (even when flawed or inaccurate), and not “he said she said” between the motorist and the cop.

Again, it’s all about the Benjamins. No traffic-court prosecutor wants to deal with an hourlong reckless-driving case where a judge has to listen to two stories and all the cross-examinations. They want you to SHUT UP AND PAY!

And no municipal court wants to deal with a theft case where the defendant is indigent, they have to pay for a public defender, there’s no hope of collecting a fine, and they have to wind up paying for three hots and a cot for 30 days or so.

The justice system hates poor people. They want rich people who can pay already, not poor people who have to be locked up on the government’s dime.

By Steve

March 9, 2009 3:54 PM | Link to this

We should be more concerned with people talking on cell phones and driving, as this is as dangerous as drunk driving.

By Mike

March 9, 2009 3:55 PM | Link to this

85 mph on a highway considered “super speeding”? Ok…lets take a look at this for a second. That is 15 mph higher than the highest posted speed limit, yes. Consider this though, 14mph over any posted speed limit doesn’t even get reported to the DMV. So now, we’re saying that 15mph over is “Super Speeding” and 15mph over in a 70mph zone is the lowest possible speed that would result in a report to the DMV??? Are you kidding?!

The reason these elected officials don’t give a crap about creating garbage laws like this is because they are exempt. They simply don’t have to worry about these types of penalties.

I’d rather see a law passed to exile violent crime offenders. Yes, I said EXILE. Bring back some real penalties for REAL crimes and stop acting on the meaningless ones.

By Matt

March 9, 2009 3:57 PM | Link to this

By Bulldog

March 9, 2009 3:36 PM | Link to this

Matt, Do you consider vehicular homicide violence? I’m sure anyone who has lost a loved one to an accident caused by a reckless/speeding driver wishes that police on patrol had caught and pulled over the driver, possibly preventing the accident. The police should be looking for, and punishing, people committing all types of crimes, including vehicular ones.

What is the percentage of drivers around Atlanta that exceed 85mph on the highway? What percentage of those result in fatalities? I’d rather have millions of drivers going 90 around me for the rest of my life than have one more twitching crackhead come bother me when I am at an ATM.

By 2BFree

March 9, 2009 4:02 PM | Link to this

Oh, the 7% fee is 7% of the vehicle’s fair market value as determined by the State.

By Speed Racer

March 9, 2009 4:02 PM | Link to this

Those pigs can’t catch me!!!

By Scott R Ernst

March 9, 2009 4:07 PM | Link to this

If public safety is the real concern (acknowledging the money this would raise)then maybe we could get our law enforcement to hand out tickets for people that dont use their turn signals. This type of driving causes more accidents then someone doing 10mph over the speed limit. Oh and maybe the officers could start using their signals as well.

By Ghost

March 9, 2009 4:09 PM | Link to this

More BS fines by BS lawmakers.

By Ghost

March 9, 2009 4:10 PM | Link to this

More BS fines from BS lawmakers.

By cleveland steamer

March 9, 2009 4:11 PM | Link to this

legalize and tax pot

By JS

March 9, 2009 4:11 PM | Link to this

Even if this proposed statute is enacted, Grady and other GA trauma hospitals are unlikely to receive the fines generated if the “fools on the hill” treat it like they have the add-on fees collected for use by indigent defense. At present, approximately 40% is added to every traffic ticket in the state and must be sent to the state by the court collecting the fine. 10% of that 40% is to fund indigent defense. However, instead of giving indigent defense the money generated, the Governor and the legislature have decided that the 10% add-on fee now gets paid into the general fund so that the legislature can claim that it is taxpayer money and can be spent however they like as a budget item; money laundering at its finest! And, for you non-lawyers out there, only the highway patrol can use radar/laser to ticket you for speeding less than 10 mph. You must be speeding 10 or more over the limit for city and county officers. Finally, only speeding tickets in excess of 14 mph are reported on your driving history; by law, tickets under this speed cannot be sent in by the court to the Department of Driver Services.

By LM

March 9, 2009 4:13 PM | Link to this

Seriously. There’s no reason to be driving 85 mph anywhere. It’s like putting a tax on murderers. Go ahead and do it! I’m not a murderer, and I don’t support those who endanger other people. Similarly, I don’t support drivers who endanger other people.

By Michael

March 9, 2009 4:14 PM | Link to this

Ah yes, the lovely police of Georgia. Give them an easy way to make money by sitting on their rumps and holding a radar gun. Wouldn’t want these people to have to do work that requires more, like tracking down people DUI or busting gangs BEFORE crimes are committed.

Where is the extra $200 fine for being a horrible driver? Where is the extra $200 fine for murder? For robbery?

People also shouldn’t forget that Sonny is the one who wanted to make getting a license easier, so you can now do it over the Internet. You literally don’t even have to prove you can see to get a license. I could jab both of my eyes out and renew for 10 years.

By Mike

March 9, 2009 4:17 PM | Link to this

Well, I have no problem with it as long as they are going to raise the speed limit on 285 to something reasonable. 55 is way to low for 285 no one goes that slow or even 65 so if you are doing 75 like most people are then the roads are going to be getting really empty real soon.

By va

March 9, 2009 4:19 PM | Link to this

BJ- you’re an idiot. Speed is the #1 reason that accidents become fatal accidents. Georgians are so stupid!

On that note, there is a reason why auto insurance companies want to know your home ZIP and home much education you have. The higher tax ZIPs and those with higher education pay lower premiums because the high school dropouts (eg., most atlanta drivers) cause most of the accidents.

By Tracey

March 9, 2009 4:21 PM | Link to this

You won’t have to pay the fine if you don’t break the law.

Also, to the poor person stuck behind someone and then busting through to go superfast to get somewhere on time.

Here’s an idea, don’t budget your time to get somewhere based on the highest speed there is, and also, LEAVE EARLY for a change.

Atlanta drivers are horrible and rude. Sorry, it’s the truth!

By ProudToBeAmerican

March 9, 2009 4:21 PM | Link to this

The city of Morrow, is going to love this. Sitting in court to challenge a parking ticket I learned that they are charging upwards of 800-1800 dollars on 1st time offenders for driving with lapsed insurance. Just imagine them raising their stakes for moving violations. Citizens of Georgia, can’t you see that because the State, cities within the state and even the counties within those cities are under a budget deficit? This has very very little to do with safety, it’s all about the revenue. Virginia did this a couple years ago, and I was never so suprised and angry, when a young 19 year old in Virgina had to pay a combined fee of 5200.00 dollars with all of the reinstatement, court cost and fines for speeding 20 over the speed limit. Instead of nickling and diming Georgians with this crap, they could have been saving millions by not installing those stupid freeway entrance lights to curtail traffic. The govenor could have orchestrated the taking of more ownership of Marta which would have lead to greater traffic management and increased revenue of ridership and companies wanting to move their headquarters here! BUT NOOOOOOOOOO! We build more subdivisions, strip malls, and restaurants. If the trauma centers can’t control their own budgets, then thats their problem! Trust me when say this, that now that the trauma centers are receiving state funding, they will be back for more and more, which means the state will steadily increase traffic fines for this as well as other purposes as they see fit. I know the trauma centers won’t get a dime out of me-I put my vehicles on cruise control at no more than 5 over the posted limit, so speeding fines in addition to parking fines won’t be a source of revenue for the state. When is Sonny’s tenure up?

By Ayn Rand was Right

March 9, 2009 4:22 PM | Link to this

Seriously, they are going to use this “super speeder” fine structure to support trauma centers? Why not put a fee on construction companies to support trauma centers. I can think of a few that loaded up those centers in the last few years. What about recreational sports organizations, they contribute…guns, knives, golf clubs, swing sets, tree houses, skate boards…the list continues.

Legislating stupidity is a revenue stream, not a public safety initiative.

By Pierce Randall

March 9, 2009 4:23 PM | Link to this

You can always park and take the train or the bus. Or not live so far away you have to speed to make it to work on time.

Funny how yuppies, right-wingers, and amateur NASCAR enthusiasts talk about everyone else’s responsibility to them, but not their responsibility to drive safely.

Soak driver, encourage better behavior, like driving slowly or taking mass transit. Too bad the fuel tax isn’t sky-high, as well.

By Ticked Off

March 9, 2009 4:25 PM | Link to this

Get on the horn with your state senator and let ‘em know how you feel about it. If they want to get reelected next time around they just might vote this thing down. I agree superspeeders can be dangerous, but heavier fines? Give me a break, Sonny!

By Keon

March 9, 2009 4:25 PM | Link to this

Are we dealing with idiot or something!? Here in Georgia…we will NOT fund mass transportation. We will encourage job growth away from where mass transportation currently exists. However we will make it as cumbersome and difficult for you to drive as we can. Welcome to Georgia… Please reset your watches to the local time…1855…

By SpeedyGonzales

March 9, 2009 4:28 PM | Link to this

I can’t believe all the ignorance… you are upset that you will have a higher $$$ speeding ticket for going over 85MPH on the highway????? Are you kidding me? This is very simple people. Don’t drive excessive speeds and you won’t have to worry about it.

By Concerned Citizen of Clayton

March 9, 2009 4:34 PM | Link to this

I am all for this bill. We see too many drivers going 90 while their brain is doing 70. I would also like to see the posted minimum speeds enforced. If some want to call this an added tax it’s fine with me because it wont be coming out of my pocket. Let the radars start earning their cost. Good move legislature.

By Xman

March 9, 2009 4:40 PM | Link to this

As bad as this new law is, it is better than the “Aggressive Driving” statue. The “Aggressive Driving” statue is far too subjective in its definition. This one at least has a definitive threshold for compliance/application. This one truly is about the money. While they are at it why don’t they increase the fine for violating “Slower Traffic Keep Right” violations then they can obtain funding from those that don’t have the need to speed…

By 2BFree

March 9, 2009 4:40 PM | Link to this

Let’s see: A driver going 45 in a 50 mph zone goes through a red light while making a phone call (just didn’t see the light. They are broadsided by someone going 60 in a 50 mph zone and we are to believe that “speed kills”. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. If speed kills how come the death rate of our highways have been at all time lows since they raised they legal limits from 55 to 70? Bad judgment, bad drivers, bad vehicles will always be the biggest cause of highway accidents. No sign on the roadway will teel you the speed safe for all conditions. If the road is congested and the average speed traveled is 45, then that is the safest speed. If the highway is clear, the roadway level and dry, and there is very limited access to the highway, then 90 mph, as bad as it sounds, is safe. If you have a vehicle which seems very uncontrollable at 65 mph, then your going too fast regardless of the speed limit sign (and you need to have your vehicle checked out). If it is raining, then 70 mph is too fast.

Good Judgement is what people need. A basic understanding of what they can and cannot do safely. Of course we can’t regulate judgement and we allow any one with a pimple for a brain to get a driver license, so we have to have these stupid laws. But do not pretend using a catch phrase like “speed kills” makes it true.

By RickQuick

March 9, 2009 4:46 PM | Link to this

I like to drive 100 mph!!!!!!!!!!

By Michael

March 9, 2009 4:50 PM | Link to this

Another TAX by these “Republicans”. This lifetime Republican wont vote for these bozos. I would rather have an honest Democrat than these hypocrites.

By WTF

March 9, 2009 5:04 PM | Link to this

I got a $250 ticket on 285 in Dekalb County for going 82 in a 55. Had to wait until I did my taxes to pay that one off and by that time it was late so make that $350. Way to go MFing Perdue!!

By Concerned Citizen of Clayton

March 9, 2009 5:50 PM | Link to this

Why did AJC reject my earlier comment? Is it because I didn’t bash Sonny or the legislature?

By Concerned Citzen in Rockdale

March 10, 2009 8:37 AM | Link to this

Quit your whinning! The only people that don’t like this law are the ones that break it on a regular bases. I say go for it and stop some of this idoits that didn’t need a license in the first place. These are the same people who don’t know what a turn signal is for. They must just put them on their cars for looks. Speed does kill whether you won’t to believe it or not. And you are the same idoits that talk on cell phones ALL the time while you are driving. There is not respect for yourself or your fellow drivers out there.

And as for Michael, when did you EVER see or hear an honest Democrat. What a bunch of dog dump!

By Gary

March 10, 2009 8:59 AM | Link to this

Speeders are not the direct cause of accidents. Driving while intoxicated and driving while being sleep deprived (that’s many of us) probably accounts for many more accidents. Most speeders are in control of their vehicles. If we increase the speed on the highways we could potentially reduce the congestion. Increasing the fines is just another way of generating revenue it’s not about safety. In Arizona they have “speeding” cameras that if you go over a certain speed you get a ticket in the mail. you will be seen by the automated system. that would free up police to be available for real crimes. As for the republicans, it’s time to boot them out.

By rob

March 10, 2009 8:59 AM | Link to this

Just slow down you cry babies! or pay the price…

Its not all about you and where you have to get to…

Leave a few minutes earlier and you won’t have to play NASCAR and become a lane changing, tailgating, hazard to everyone else who can handle a speed limit!

By Former leadfoot

March 10, 2009 12:37 PM | Link to this

I think the bill should be changed to include anyone going 20 mph or more than the posted limit. I consider myself lucky not to get ticketed going my usual 9 mph over the limit on the highway…and so should you!

By A bunch of bull

March 10, 2009 1:44 PM | Link to this

Add this to all the other ways the GOV is going to get money from the people! Let’s see:

Bail out program taxes Cutting out homestead Taxes on the miles you drive 4% sales tax on your groceries

This is “fine for superspeeders” is just another way for the GOV to grab money out of the pockets of the people!! Has nothing to do with “safety.”

Pretty soon it’ll be cheaper to stay home and collect welfare than it will to actually go to work!!

By A bunch of bull

March 10, 2009 2:00 PM | Link to this

DON’T STEAL, THE GOVERNMENT HATES COMPETITION!!!

By Shilo

March 10, 2009 4:14 PM | Link to this

Why the uproar? Anybody ever think about driving close to the speed limit? Then all these fines are a moot point. Raise them to $500 for all I care. 10 over keep me out of trouble on any highway in this state.

By Pete

March 11, 2009 11:39 AM | Link to this

Let’s start thinking back to basics; as to why we even have speed limits on Interstate Highways. First: During the 76’ fuel crisis, Congress mandated the 55MPH limit to save fuel. Todays cars get far better mileage than back in the 70s, even at 85mph, so that is no longer a viable reason to restrict higher speeds. Second: it was intended to prevent accidents; postulating that higher speeds require faster reaction times and better handling cars when these limits were imposed. Today’s cars are built much safer. Not only do they handle better (braking and maneuvering), but they also have more nbuilt in safety features (seat belts, air bags, ABS, crumple zones, etc). The survivability of a crash is much greater today versus in the 70s; even at much higher speeds. So another reason to raise limits. Insurance companies have profited handsomely by the lower speed limits, as the risk of injury is far less today than in the 70s. I also propose Interstate limits should be th same throughout the country (excepting metro areas).

By Brian

March 18, 2009 10:08 AM | Link to this

Sonny have you ever driven in Atlanta on I-85, I-75 or 400 ? If you arent doing 80-85 mph you’re doors are getting ripped off from the backwind of other vehicles blowing by you and definately creates a unsafe situation! I drive it everyday, (twice a day) and anyone who has driven on it in the past 10 years knows what Im saying is the truth! With that in mind, so if you are going ANY faster than the “flow” of traffic your getting a $300+ ticket! Oh yeah! ..thats fair!? As far as trying to increase revenue for trauma care, (I know this is unpolitical of me)but lets look at the real source of the trauma centers’ financial problems! If the illegals werent PERMITTED to run rampant through the country side MAYBE we would NOT have as many UNINSURED patients going through the trauma center that the TAXPAYERS pay for. NOW, not only do I get to pay for them through higher taxes for more freebies for ilegals and undesrving people on welfare but now I also get to pay for them through speeding tickets. WOW what a creative way to justify you not doing the job you were elected for and taking MORE money out of the working mans’ pocket in a RECESSION, what guy! I AM A GEORGIA VOTER, HAVE BEEN FOR 15 YEARS A DIE HARD REPUBLICAN BUT ON THE NEXT BALLOT YOU WONT BE GETTING MY VOTE.