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The difference between a Georgia Republican and a Washington Republican
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Years ago, leading Democrats in Georgia — the Herman Talmadges and Richard Russells — would find a way to be somewhere else whenever the Democratic National Convention was held. Fishing trips, sick or dying mothers, and visits to overseas military bases would magically spring up. It was a way to draw a line between themselves and the mess in Washington.
So there we were yesterday, in a small press conference called by four Republican state senators and Herman Cain. Cain is the pizza guy, author, radio talk show host and former GOP candidate for the U.S. Senate. The four senators were Mitch Seabaugh of Sharpsburg, Chip Pearson of Dawsonville, Chip Rogers of Woodstock, and Casey Cagle of Gainesville. (Seeing Cain and Cagle, a candidate for lieutenant governor, in the same room was interesting, but beside the point for today’s discussion.)
The topic was a Senate resolution to create a study committee to look at capping the growth of state government in Georgia by gearing it to population increase and inflation. Results must be produced by Dec. 1, 2006. After the November election. The legislation in question is S.R. 1091.
Here’s the point: A huge federal deficit and the rise of “big government conservatism” in Washington, all under the GOP banner, has frightened some Republicans and angered others. Seabaugh & Co. said they’re not trying to make any statement, or send any message to Washington. But when pressed, they said they aren’t happy with the situation. “I am disgusted,” Cain said.
GOP lawmakers haven’t begun trolling for sick mothers, to avoid being seen with President Bush. But around the state Capitol, they have been overheard saying, “I’m a Georgia Republican, not a Washington Republican.”
Today’s question is: what’s the difference? And please, step away from the talking points. Let’s be thoughtful about this.




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By Sheri Divers
March 14, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this
I can’t see any difference because the Georgia Republicans are trying to ram the same anti-woman, pro-rich extremist policies through the Georgia legislature as Bush is doing in Washington.
Now, that’s no talking point. That’s the truth.
By NotMyProblem
March 14, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this
Way to be objective, Sheri. You managed to express both your wealth-envy and willingness to murder a baby in just one sentence. Congrats!
Now to actually intelligently discuss the topic:
Georgia Republicans are trying to distance themselves from the mess that Washington Republicans have made of what used to be traditional conservative values. Small government has been utterly forgotten by the Bush administration, and Washington Republicans refuse to address the issue of illegal immigration, which is something that Georgia Republicans have not only addressed, but have passed legislation to do something about it. GA Republicans have also passed a law that gives a woman who wants to have an abortion the CHOICE of seeing the baby she is about to kill on an ultrasound, before actually killing it. It really makes me laugh that all these supposedly PRO-CHOICE people don’t want to give women the CHOICE of whether or not to see the ultrasound. Sounds like they’re only pro-choice as long as they agree with the choices she makes, but then that’s the typical leftist view on Freedom of Speech as well, so it’s not that surprising. Free Speech is something we’re all guaranteed, unless what we’re saying is something the left disagrees with, in which case they want to shut it up. At least with the Conservatives we think everyone has the right to say what they want, we just also think that there are consequences of doing that (as the Dixie Twits learned the hard way). GA Republicans are much closer to the traditional Conservative values than the Washington Republicans, and that’s why they are distancing themselves and defining themselves as GA Republicans instead of Washington Republicans.
By Matt
March 14, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this
Simple, a Washington Republican was prbably born a Republican. A Georgia Republican switched from being a Democrat as soon as they were race baited over by Sunny, Johnny and the boys.
By Peterman
March 14, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this
There is no difference; now that it is nearing election time and things are not looking so good for the Republican Party or the White House now they want to try to separate themselves from all the bad decisions and corruptions when they all collectively rallied behind Bush and his entire agenda. They consistently voted with the party instead of voting what was right for our country and its citizens. I hope people can really see through the lies and deception and realize that Republicans are now just trying to save their sits.
By NotMyProblem
March 14, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this
Trust me, Peterman. The Republican “sits” are secure. If the lefties had any kind of message or vision for this country, they might stand a chance in the elections. But as has been proven over the last 12 years of elections, a message of negativity, hatred and socialist views will lose it for them every time.
By Larry
March 14, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this
I bemoan the death of the conservative movement in the United States. There are no true conservatives left. We must now speak of degrees of conservatism. Georgia Republicans may win by a few degrees, but it’s a moot point. No one is standing up for the Constitution and the way of life our founding fathers envisioned.
One need only look at the reccent tragedy in New Orleans to see what’s happening to our great country. There was a whole community of people that liberals had made so dependent upon government that they couldn’t even escape death without someone from the government there to help them. This is a sad example of where liberals have taken us.
There are no true conservatives left. There are no people left in government who will stand up and prevent the kind of thing that happened in New Orleans. For the good of those people and for this country to survive, we need some true conservatives. We need people who will once again enforce individual responsibility and morals and reinstate the rule of law in our country.
Who are more conservative? It doesn’t really matter. We have people (who could do better) in this country who are allowed to live from the common purse. We have people in this country who look at “choice” not as whether to have sex, but whether they have the right to kill the results of their bad choice. We reward people for having children they can’t afford. It doesn’t matter who’s most conservative. What matters is that we don’t have anyone who’s conservative enough to stop the downward spiral started by FDR.
We’re circling the drain and no one is here to save us.
By Curtis Low
March 14, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
REPUBLICANS, yes, it is about time!!! Get over yourselves bleeding hearts!!! Get a job!
By NotMyProblem
March 14, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
Amen, Larry!
By Sarah
March 14, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this
See how they run now, them Republicans.
By Tony
March 14, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this
Seeing how both Georgia and Washington Republicans are doing everything for the corporate world and little for the actual voters and taxpayers, I’d say they’re the same. They’re ready to cough up my tax dollars for NASCAR museums and a Kia plant on the other side of the state, but sure didn’t jump when the small-town factories all around the state packed up shop and left. They’re all about incentives for businesses. It’s all about a planned economy and meddling in the market. To me that doesn’t sound like hands-off capitalism. It sounds like the planned economies of socialism. Quite nice for those calling themselves conservatives, especially of the fiscal leanings. They’re all about the token tax cuts and breaks knowing that instead of really providing relief, the burden is shifted to the county governments who then raise property taxes and local sales taxes and every other form of taxes out there. They’re all for returning control of schools to the local level but then pass these punishing laws taking full control of local schools to the state and federal level and say if you don’t do what we require we take your money away. They’re all about helping pay the gas bill with $3-5 a month savings but then OK increases to pay for pipelines. They’re all about knee-jerk reactions of closing schools for some fictional gas crisis which drives up prices in panic and then makes parents panic for daycare, etc. Notice no other states around us went crazy and closed schools to that level. Notice the state government, as bloated as it is, still ran their cars from border to border. Notice those politicians running for re-election still rode their big SUV’s to campaign events knowing campaign money, not their paychecks, took care of the gas bill.
They’re one in the same. They pass out scraps and token bills to pacify people but then help their corporate campaign donor friends and expand government power even more. Sounds nothing like a conservative to me.
By Lori
March 14, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this
Fact— Before the Civil Rights movement the Democratic Party was THE party of working class southerners. However, pure racism caused many of these folks to switch to the Republican side and that trait is very much alive and well in the Republican party of today, both locally and nationally. The confederate flag was replaced on the state flag during the civil rights movement as a way of thumbing noses at black people and civil rights. Now look at the folks who want to bring it back. Come out of the closet racist pigs and put your white robes back on. We figured you out long ago.
By E. Lewis
March 14, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this
Wouldn’t it be more apropos to ask what the difference between a conservative and a necon is?
By Doug
March 14, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this
There’s no difference. Actions speak louder than words. As long as Georgia’s representatives support Washington’s reckless policies, they are equally culpable.
For too long these politicians have put party and ambition over country.
Conservative Republican is now an oxymoron.
If you want a balanced budget, restrained spending, responsible foreign policy, a strong economy, and individual liberties, it’s time to start voting for moderate Democrats.
By NotMyProblem
March 14, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
LOL Lori!! That was great! Do another one!
By NotMyProblem
March 14, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this
Oh Doug. You silly liberals are the LAST people who need to preach about responsible spending. Yes, this administration has gone completely nuts with spending, and as a true conservative, I find that deplorable. But voting Democrat (i.e. the entitlement social programs party) is the LAST thing you want to do if you’re in favor of controlled spending. Responsible foreign policy? Is that another term for letting the U.N. decide what we can and can’t do to protect our own country?
By RWH
March 14, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this
Spending time in Washington, DC, you come to know both Washington and Georgia/State Republicians..one in the same with different views. How do you delay issues from being voted on…different opinions; and how do you agree upon issues…your personal opinions. Republicians both state and federal vote together to acheive their goals. Both side pose a big mess for the state level and the federal level…only two things that both state and federal Republicians come together on…their raise in pay. This is when the real truth comes out…there is no differences. They agree to keep their pockets fat..and leave us the tax paying public with more taxes to keep us from earning a decent living. Republicans knows how to dance - good in their domain; be state or federal!
By modest
March 14, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this
Is that all you people can come up with? Ad hominem attacks on each other? I thought the point of this blog was to discuss what maybe the difference is. Not “race bating” this or “baby killer” that. The difference they might be trying to spell out is that the neo-conservatives are the ones in Washington. The ones who have followed the Democrats steps and gone well above producing big government and wasteful spending. Any one who says they are a Republican and stands by and does not think that the Republicans in power are completely screwing up and going against Republican ideals is not paying attention. George Bush has spent more money and produced bigger government than Clinton could have ever dreamed. Is that not the reason that so many Republicans hated Clinton? I am not a supporter of Clinton. People should just review the facts instead of slamming each other for being “bible-thumpers” or “liberals”. Remember two parties equals zero choice.
By modest
March 14, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
LORI- Get your facts straight. It was the Democrats who were in power of the State government up until Sonny Perdue. While I beleive that battle flag was put up there for racial reasons. It was the democrats in power.
By Doug
March 14, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this
NotMyProblem,
“Silly liberal”? Liberal comes from the word liberty. I’m surprised to hear an American refer to liberty as silly, but I guess there are still some around who disagree with the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
I wrote “moderate Democrats”. I am strongly opposed to large entitlement programs. I think our experience with some of the welfare programs of the past has shown that socialism is bad for America. We should show some compassion for those who can’t work due to disability and the innocent children of unfit parents, but the federal government has become so large that it restricts liberty. The Democrats of the past were not liberals; they were socialists.
We should never let anyone outside of our borders have any say in how we protect our country. But do you really think Iraq was a threat to us? Do you really think we are safer as a result of Iraq? Do you see any evidence that the politicians in Washington took this war seriously enough to plan it well and devote sufficient resources to it? Do you really think it was wise and prudent to take on the reconstruction effort alone? You seem to consider yourself a conservative, but what is conservative about invading a foreign country that poses no imminent threat with little planning and spending hundreds of billions on nation-building?
Your comment indicates that you think you have me all figured out, but let me go ahead and tell you what I believe just in case. I believe in domestic policy based upon liberty, limited government, and federalism. I believe in a foreign policy that uses international diplomacy where possible and consistent with American interests. If and only if unilateral military force is necessary, we should not hesitate to use it. Call me crazy.
By anna
March 14, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this
You are all silly. Big business runs the country. Not politicians. They are just the instrument. And it doesn’t matter what the party is.
By Carl
March 14, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this
To Larry, Curtis Low and Notmyproblem,
The situation in New Orleans was caused by the low wages of the jobs offered in that city. It’s very diffult to make ends meet or pull yourself out of poverty if all the employers are willing to pay is minimum wage - even up to $10 hr. A person must now make $14.50 an hour in order to not have to rely on relatives, roommates, charity or goverment assistance to get by. Take out the taxes and the costs for healthcare, and maybe, maybe that person is making $21,000 a year. We had it better in the 60’s and 70’s when only one person in a family could work and support their family. Now it’s a 2 worker economy and even now getting more difficult to live. Thanks to big business!
By Doug
March 14, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this
NotMyProblem has an interesting view of liberty.
“At least with the Conservatives we think everyone has the right to say what they want, we just also think that there are consequences of doing that (as the Dixie Twits learned the hard way).”
So, go ahead and speak your mind, but if you disagree with the majority they’ll campaign to rob you of your livelihood. Well, that certainly sounds like respect for free speech to me!
You absolutely have a right not to buy their albums for whatever reason you choose, but don’t preach to everyone else about your respect for freedom of speech.
If you refuse to buy the album because of unrelated public statements (I never listened to the Dixie Chicks, but I don’t get the impression their music is overtly political), you are attempting to quiet them. A boycott is not violative of the 1st Amendment, but it does violate American values.
The Dixie Chicks should be aware of the risk they take in speaking out, but we should also be aware of the freedom-limiting consequences of a boycott.
By jim d
March 14, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this
Simply stated it’s time for a third major party.
Could be time for starting a party named the “Confederate Party.” Hmm, that would be one that would support states rights.
By anna
March 14, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this
It’s time for people to wake up and realize that people hide behind the facade of the only two parties
By Randy
March 14, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this
Doug,
You sound like the voice of reason to me. I believe in what works and I think your views will work. Count me in. Are you running for office?
Randy
By Lori
March 14, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this
Don’t get mad an NotMyProblem. He is obviously not very smart and it can’t be easy to go through life with a big mouth and a low IQ.
By Bella
March 14, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this
The only difference is: Georgia Republicans want to force their religious beliefs on everyone else. On the other hand, Washington Republicans want to force their religious beliefs on everyone else.
By Lori
March 14, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this
Okay, here’s another one- here are some of the stances of the Republican Party- They are against abortion but then they also belittle and deny assistance to poor unwed mothers. They are against abortion but they also don’t want responsible and loving gay people to be allowed to adopt unwanted children. Republicans want to get rid of abortion but they also want to make it difficult for women to obtain birth control. Ideas which are morally and ethically contradictory to say the least. You guys don’t want an unwanted child to be aborted but then again you couldn’t care less what happens to it once it is born. I am pro-choice but I also would like abortion to be very rare which is why I support aid to poor single mothers and adoption rights for ALL responsible adults. If you want to make abortion less appealing for a desperate individual then stop making options for them difficult and/or impossible. Now, NotMyProblem, I realize these may be such difficult concepts that all you can do is laugh, but try…
By Doug
March 14, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this
Thanks, Randy. I’m not running for office, but I appreciate the vote of confidence.
I agree that we need to be more focused on moderate, practical solutions to the problems we face. Unfortunately, it seems like the influence of special interests and ideology has prevented both parties from seeking such solutions.
That said, I firmly believe that having two parties of roughly equal power is a good step in the direction of doing “what works.” Conflict and compromise might help keep both parties in check.
By anna
March 14, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this
I get so tired of hearing “they force their religious beliefs.” Just by speaking what you believe you are forcing? We have to listen to what you say Bella. Stop forcing us.
By Falala
March 14, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this
To Carl- I agree with a lot of what you are saying but is also more difficult for a single income to support our households due to simple greed. I know this is not always the case, for sure, but in many instances it is. When I was growing up in the 70’s my family got by with just one car and we did fine. That would be unthinkable now. Also, our homes were smaller and easier to manage. Now everyone with any means at all must have at least 3500 sq.ft and two big SUVs in the garage. Plus we must take expensive vacations; fly every where we go; every family member over 10 must have cell phone and a phone in their room; four tv’s to a household, etc… Now did we have all this in the 60’s and 70’s. I think not.
By Falala
March 14, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
Actually Anna, lobbying for prayer in schools, the teaching of “intelligent design” in schools and posting the 10 Commandments in government buildings is, by definition, forcing one’s religious beliefs on others. And we have to suffer listening to you, too. So there!
By Sarah
March 14, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this
If you think W has a blank look on his face now, just wait until he sees his rats run from the burning ship and leave him to burn. Smart he isn’t but loyal he is, to a fault. Don’t feel sorry for the Dixie Chicks, they are all mega-millionaires, many times over. These smart women garnered the most lucrative contract in recording history and they have a new CD coming out in May. They made more money than any touring band for three years in a row so they not are twits NotMyProblem, they could buy your tired butt many times over. Truth be told, they were bored with the country music scene and their audiences for their live shows were never the NASCAR, confederate flag waving country types in the first place. IF a Repbulican is to be reelected, it will be a Rudy or McCain type Republican, pro-choice, as you see the polls show how over Bush we are and we want to send him packing.
By Falala
March 14, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this
That’s your belief falala. And that’s fine. Unless you have taken up speaking for everyone.
By Lori
March 14, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this
Plus we have a commander in chief who is idiotic enough to suggest that we should have a constitution based on the 10 commandments. Idiot! So let me see, according to Pres. Bush’s new constitution it will be illegal to commit adultry or tell a lie (not necessarily under oath, just any lie folks!) and it will also be illegal to take the lord’s name in vain! Wow! So that is not trying to force your religious beliefs on other, huh! Sounds like it to me.
By anna
March 14, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this
Sorry for that previous post guys. You must understand that I am an congenital idiot who suffers from temporary insanity.
By Lori
March 14, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this
Correction, McCain is not pro-choice. A big problem for him since conservatives hate him and moderates may be less likely to support him for president unless he changes his stance on this issue. But his head is so far up Bush’s rectum I doubt he can se daylight.
By falala
March 14, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
Sorry for my post too. I am an overbearing, menopausal divorced white woman
By jim d
March 14, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
falala,
Least your problems can be handled with meds.
By TheSeeker
March 14, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
Lots of comments. A lot less thinking going on.
Dixi Chicks: To buy or not to buy: It’s your choice folks. My reason for not buying may be political. That is not to regulate free speach. It is to prove my distaste for thier political views and to NOT support that view by NOT supporting them. Choose if you like to use whatever platform you wish to make your statement. That is your right. Still you must take responsibility for that action.
Racism: It would most likely be a lot better in this Country if people would just forgive and forget. I can’t help it if my ancestors were idiots. I am only responsible for my own actions. I choose not to discriminate. Racism has gone on for decades and will continue I’m sad to say but living in the past will not alow you to step into the future. Forget the #@*% flag and lets go on from here.
Choice: I’m all for it. I think everyone should have a choice. Including the unborn child that the mothers choose to kill. Even more so for the child. Hey ladies (and I use that term loosely) You have a choice. Use contraceptives. There are many ways to prevent getting pregnent. Saying NO is one of those ways by the way.
Washington Reps vs GA Reps: It would appear to me to be nothing more than political posturing. I know none of them personally. I do see the facts of actions rather than words. Politicians are just that in GA. It seems that all of them care more for thier salary than they do for thier Country. They do not represent us. They represent getting the most power to support themselves with this Company or that Company to get more campaign funds to get re-elected to do more for the same Company for the same circle/cycle.
Who’s to blame? You and me. It’s that simple. Will it change? God only knows and I can only hope that my vote makes a difference.
By jim d
March 14, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this
Sorry for my stupid posts also
By Justin
March 14, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
“NotMyProblem” - And now thank you “NotMyProblem”, for failing to read your GA history book! Traditional Conservitive has only as of recent begun to sweep the bible state we call home, due to the political divide that has also swept this country…Tradionally, GA has been democratic which all the values stated by yourself have been attributed to. The division now between Democrat and Republican has now transgressed within the Republican party. The differce between WashGOP and GA GOP is that they made a mistake…by winning thier ticket to Washington with a Republican vote behind the “W”, and now realizing that exact endorsement could lead to unemployment, they have begun a retreat. Talis stiched between thier legs they look to distance themselves from the dissapproval ratings our “Great Leader” has gained in his 6 year reign of America. With focus of the WA GOP being more and more on Iraq and the deficit, WASH GOP has begun to pull away from localalized true democratic conservatism that deals with the problems we face within States, from immigration to unemployment, and the way we function as a “United” (key word, UNITED) States of America. It was just a few years ago that “we will not fail in Iraq” was the pledge our GA GOP leaders took at the polls, now in the dires straits of skid row, we see Iraq as the downfall to the Republican ticket. War is expensive. War is destructive. Has war ever brought peace? No one knew “W’s” plan from the beginning, but loved with candy when he was dishein it come election day. Now with a sour taste in thier blind leading the blind, GA GOP now are scrabbling to find ground to avoid unemployment come November. In conclusion, there is no difference in Wash GOP and GA GOP, neither have the RIGHT plan, nor the RIGHT attitude when it comes to what’s RIGHT for Georgia. I remember the sole promise in the fall of 2001, “United We Stand. Divided We Fall.” Maybe we should think about the choices we made November 2004. “Ignorance of one voter in a democracy, impairs the security of all.” - JFK
By Larry
March 14, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
Rumpelstilskin - I just said that so that lori would have something else to call racist.
As far as abortion goes, telling me about denying benefits for unwed mother’s, not paying for birth control and allowing gay adoption doesn’t even come close to aqddressing the problem. The problem is that people have lost their morals. The word “unwed mother” is a sad statement on our times. We have some how made it all right for children to start having sex as soon as they get the urge and we even spend tax dollars to teach them how. I can’t imagine what my parents would have done if I’d gotten someone pregnant.
Most employers pay what the job being done is worth. Cooking fries and burgers doesn’t deserve minimum wage, but employers are forced to pay it and our food costs more because of it. Where do they get these minimum wage workers? Simple, they can find an abundance of people who didn’t take advantage of the opportunity afforded them by this great country. In other words, they made bad choices such as quitting school or getting pregnant. The tragedy of New Orleans was exacerbated by the fact that our government had convinced these people that they could make bad choices and not worry because they would be saved by their government. Those who made good choices and those who ignored the government and maintained some personal responsibility were gone when the storm hit.
I agree that it’s a shame both parents (when there are two) have to work to make ends meet. We are being taxed beyond belief and as long as we’re trying to look after the world (including the free loaders in our own country), we’re going to continue to be taxed heavily to pay for it all. Also taxation is a method of control. If they take our money, they can demand certain behaviors before they return it to us in goods and services.
What does this have to do with the difference between Georgia Republicans and Washington Republicans? Well, if I worded it correctly, it helped point out that there is little difference between almost any politician and almost any other - Republican or Democrat. They are all pretty much tax and spend liberals whether they ride in on an elephant or a donkey.
By Falala
March 14, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this
Actually, I am a married (10 years) college-educated white woman who is pregnant with her third child (far from menopausal). An update to everyone: women do not get pregnant by themselves. Men help and they are also the most likely of the two to bolt and neglect all responsibilities when an unwanted pregnancy occurs. I am sick and tired of all the blame of unwanted pregnancies being put on women. We don’t knit babies while we are alone…it takes a conspriring male companion, who is usually not wearing a condom (another point, birth control is everyone’s responsibility). Get real. Pointless and morally superior rhetoric does not help anyone. I am assuming that all of these folks who are spouting off about the moral vacancy of people who have sex before marriage were indeed virgins on their wedding nights. If not, shut up.
By Laf
March 14, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
Good post Falala. I certainly agree with your statement about these conservatives who want prayer in schools and the ten commandmentsin the court house. Since 100% of the population doesn’t buy their religious beliefs they are just resorting to demanding a government that is based on their theology.
By Tate
March 14, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
Here is the main difference between GA GOP and Wash GOP, local GA Republicans will probably win in November (with the exception of Perdue) but Wash. GOP leaders will be fired! It will be hilarious!
By Laf
March 14, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this
Forgive my post too. I say what I think people want to hear. Im a kissup
By GOPete
March 14, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this
Hi, I am a conservative Republican. Let me tell you a few things about myself. I don’t think anyone should have sex before marriage. It is morally repugnant. Now I don’t count myself in this because, well, let’s not go crazy. I don’t want to pay taxes but I want the war in Iraq to continue and I want to use libraries and drive on state roads, and attend public schools. I have no idea where the money for these things will come from but I don’t want to have to pay for them so please stay out of my pockets. I support religious freedom and prayer in schools just so long as you plan on using my prayers and not some crazy muslim or jewish prayer and certainly not catholic. Let’s not go crazy. We all know what I mean by religion, I mean my religion and certainly you can’t be against that, if you are then you don’t love god or America. Also, I totally support free speach but if you say something I disagree with then I will make sure you suffer. No offense, but it is my right to punish you for disagreeing with me. And if you really push me I will wire-tap your phone. I don’t mean to scare you but I love my country more than you so I know this must be hard for you to understand. Support our Troops!
By Larry
March 14, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this
I wasn’t married, but I was engaged to the person I would later marry. I used a condom which I didn’t ask the government to pay for) and was almost through college. I had a good job which was scheduled to get better when I graduated. I was emotionally and financially ready for a child if it happened. I certainly wasn’t a 14 year old school drop out no plans for the future.
I don’t consider myself morally superior, but taking a chance to get pregnant when you can’t afford or are unwilling to raise a child is just plain wrong.
By Falala
March 14, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this
I did suggest that government should pay for birth control. What I said was that they should not make it difficult to obtain birth control and that is just what they are doing. Read more carefully.
By Carrie
March 14, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this
Of course, Larry. Besides, it would have been HER fault if she got pregnant so why should you have to wait?
By Lori
March 14, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this
Larry, you are wonderful. I can’t imagine why that girl did not marry you. And I am sure you were a virgin before you met her because I know a man like you would never have sex unless he had a good job (no pun intended) first.
By atltoday
March 14, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this
How dare any of you to sit that with your elitist views and say that the people in New Orleans were all on Welfare. Poeple people don’t necessarily mean government assistance. Even an unwed mother doesn’t necessarily mean welfare. how dare you decide that all of them should have had an SUV…keep the topic what it is….there are no differences w/ GA GOP And Washington Republicans because when things are good they all stick together. The two party system works best when both parties have to negotiate for power. I actually choose to vote for the party that’s not in office in order to create balance regardless of how I truly feel because otherwise we create corruption at the highest level.
By Falala
March 14, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this
What I typed was “didn’t suggest”. Someone at the AJC editing my posts?
By falala
March 14, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this
Forgive me larry these birth control pills are making me crazy
By Lori
March 14, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this
Oh, sorry Larry, I should have read you post more closely. I see that lucky gal did marry you. Well, it’s a good thing she waited to have sex until she found a guy with a good job. Smart girl and even smarter guy.
By not a bushie or demmie
March 14, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this
If these conservative ideals are so great:
Why:
-Is there so much debt and no spending bills vetoed:
-why did the republicans prosecute the crap out of clinton, but wont allow votes for even an investigation into anything.
-why are you people so happy to be behind bush when the salary rates, savings rates are down 5 years in row and interest rates up. keep in mind, if you are in his economical demographic, you are sitting pretty right now. -we’re in a war that did not need to happen. i would rather that we diplomatically resove this issue vs. war.
-why did we not go after North Korea…they told us they had nukes. bush and cronnies had this policy coming in to office
-why when bush leave office will our country be in economic trouble(trade deficit the highest ever social security failed.
By candide
March 14, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this
Georgia Republicans are simply ex-Democrat racists and hyper-patriots bordering on Fascism. As such they are no different from Republicans elsewhere, those are also racists and inclined towards super-patriotic fascistic appeals.
The South is still a one party place — the same party with a different name, same program: keep the poor poor, keep the middle classes ignorant by appealing to their whiteness and only to their whiteness.
By GOPete
March 14, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this
I also want to speak on the sanctity of marriage. Now I realize that I have been married twice but still you must understand that if gays are allowed to marry that my marriage to my second wife will be less sacred. Who cares about my first marriage. I dumped that cow. And it is totally wrong for us to let gay folks adopt chinese babies and crack babies. Those babies are much better off in orphanages and in foster care. Why if a gay parent adopts them, they may grow up and be gay and that would be the real tragedy. I realize that most all gay people were raised by straight parents, but still I feel this fear is justified. And I just want you all to understand that the automobile is the perfect “vehicle” for displaying your patriotism. If you don’t have a flag bumper sticker or a yellow ribbon on the back of your car then that is a clear sign to me that you don’t love this country or the men and women who are dying to protect it. God Bless America!
By Nel
March 14, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this
GoPete, you’re such a voice of reason!!!!!
By modest
March 14, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this
Do any of you even know the meanings of the words you throw around? facisim? hyper-patriot? All I can say is I am proud to be a Libertarian and laugh at the petty insults you Democrats and Republicans throw at each other with out actually talking about anything. Look at what you all have been writing to each other. I hope it makes you feel good that you made fun of the “silly liberal” or the “right wing facist” today.
By Gary
March 14, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this
Conservatism. What is it?? Well it is the belief that all people are created equal, that America is a great place, and that responsibility shold fall on one entity: the individual. Real conservatives believe in small government. That governence should be down to the most local level possible. The federal government is responsible for defense and defense only. State and local goverments should share the ultimate governing repsonsibilites and that the people are the ones who chose. We believe in the constitution and what it says, not what it doesn’t say. we believe in freedom of speech, right to bear arms, unlawful search and seizures, and private property rights. We believe that competition and a fair market is what makes an economy grow. We also believe that income re-distribution is not the way to pay for the country and that people should only have to pay taxes on the goods and services that they purchase. We believe that the government should not be teaching our children and that the parents are responsible for their child, not the schools. We also believe that businesses should be allowed to make their decisions without the government telling them what they have to do for the employee: al la health benefits, unionized contracts. We believe that bueracracies should be eliminated and that local governments should decide what to do with tax money, not the federal governemt. We also believe that the individual should have the right to keep the money they earn, spend it where they want, and what to do with their social security, not the politicians in Washington. Unfortunately the two parties in Washington are no different and that leaves us with no choice. Until we the people rise up and put a stop to it, this is how its going to be. We need a leader, another Ronald Reagan - the last true conservative leader. As for the elections, despite what the pundits say, the republican party has a gerrymandered advantage and the incumbents will win. Not much will change in who controls what after election day. Bush will still be President, despite the ones who just can’t get over the fact that he won the election. The GOP will control both houses of congress mainly because the democrats don’t offer any ideas to entice America to give them power, and the GOP will still control GA and that includes Sonny Perdue. The people of this state give the governor a high approval rating and he leads both Democrats by 20+ points. Plus no one is looking at GA to be competitive come election day.
By frank
March 15, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this
No difference between Republicans and Democrats except one worships money, and the other worships morale decay. It just depends on what direction the wind is blowing, and what position either party decides to con the voters on that particular issue. They only exist to please themselves and not to actually solve our problems.
By Matt M.
March 15, 2006 08:20 AM | Link to this
Anti-woman, pro-rich, race baited. How come Dem’s always resort to race issues. They have followed Washington? Really, is that why they passed a law making it tough for that eminent domain crap, which most of you Dem’s don’t even talk about. Its always about abortion and how Rep’s are anti-woman. Dem’s amaze me, they argue for points that are already laws (pro-choice, huge taxes). Give me a break, quit crying and debate something that actually matters in the long run, not just something that affects you today.
By Matt M.
March 15, 2006 08:30 AM | Link to this
Racism caused people to switch to the Rep party? Who, the racist switched to Rep or stayed Dem’s. I hope you mean the racist stayed Dem’s. Fact-Dem were anti-Civil Rights, just look at their party now. Ex-KKK, Robert Byrd. Yes, the Rep’s have had racist also, but everybody in the party knows who they are and the Dem’s deny it and preach racism to stay in power. What else do they fall back on.
By Matt M.
March 15, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this
Want smaller gov’t, more liberties, more individuality, more individual responsibility, less taxes, more state controlled gov’t? Start voting Libertarian. I know that I am so disgusted with Rep on the Federal level (and no possible wa that I would vote Dem) that I will probably vote Libertarian.
By Tony
March 15, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this
So in other words it’s not that the Republicans have good ideas for the people that are conservative in principle. It’s that the Democrats have NO ideas and people have to settle. Boy that’s a good way to be proud of your party. Not that it’s good. It’s that the other side is so bad that the people have to settle for the lesser of the two evils. Sonny and W should be so proud.
And as some have said here, many GA Republicans are actually good ol’ Southern Democrats. Most of them just changed the letter from D to R in order to politically survive. They only changed a letter. They brought their Democratic bloated government, good ol’ boy pay off the dollar men system with them. Now the GOP is nothing but a new Southern Democratic Party. Sonny? He saw a risk of being kicked out of office so he switched parties to survive. Bill Stephens, running for Secretary of State, switched as well. The list goes on of switchers bringing the classic good ol’ boy political system and masking it in conservatism. Many conservatives have seen through this but many just swallow what they’re being fed because they don’t want those who still have the guts to call themselves Democrats.
By Matt M.
March 15, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this
Lori, I agree with you on the abortion, but think about this, just to play devil’s advocate. Isn’t birth control a form of abortion, by stopping someone from getting pregnant naturally? Just a thought, not my thought though. I am conservative, and I have no problem with gay marriage, gay adoption, whatever, as long as the kid will be loved and cared for. Remember, most of these Rep are old school church members. The new age conservative isn’t like that, I believe the younger generation of conservatives and libertarians are more open and tolerant. Do what you want, just take responsibility and don’t do any harm to anyone. The Federal gov’t should be decreased, where their only function is the protection of this country. Everything else should be up to the individual state (abortion, SS, Medicare, eminent domain). That way people can and will live in a state that suits their values instead of the Fed gov’t forcing states to do certain things.
By E. Lewis
March 15, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this
Matt M_it’s like I said:the difference between a conservative and a neocon.
By Randolph Phillips
March 16, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
There is little difference between Washington Republicans and Georgia Republican. Both of them are bullies, with what is said at the top followed obediently by the subordinates; both of them are chasing black votes but not quite as hard as democrats; neither of them are conservative; Georgia Republicans are enacting legislation to put retirement funds into risky venture capitol adventures(Shades of Bush’s Social Security plans); both support exporting jobs overeseas; and both slavishly follow what corporate america (Georgia) wants. The Bush White House even chooses candidates for Georgia offices, as it had done in other states, and the locals jump to nominate them. There’s plenty of other evidence of criminal political solidarity between Republican Georgia and Republican Washington, but I think I’ve made the case.