Capitol Ideas

By Carla

March 1, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

Illegal immigrants should not receive taxpayer funded benefits. Illegal immigrants know the benefit system better than we do. Georgia is a haven for illegal immigrants because of all the benefits.

By Shannon

March 1, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

Illegal immigrants do not pay taxes like the rest of us so why should they and their many multitudes of children benefit from a system that they do not help support?

By Gary Wiggins

March 1, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this

(SB529) Good idea.

By Syed

March 1, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

I think there are lot of stereotyping about the illegal immigrants. FYI, people who don’t pay taxes include both legals, citizens and illegals. Many citizens who are just plain and simple lazy and don’t wanna work live on social security, unemployement benefits and so forth. Most of those benefits can’t be taken my illegals anyway. Do you really think an illegal can apply for social security benefits, unemployment benefits ? NO. Yes, they might get some free medical care in the hospitals, but I believe, there are more americans among those than illegals

By ronco

March 1, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

SB529 sounds like a great way to foster the black market in health services, creating more problems than it tries to solve. The solution to the issue of illegal immigrants and public support is not as simple as SB529.

By Juli

March 1, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

Absolutely, unequivocally, without a doubt NO! If you are here ILLEGALLY, then you have no right to take advantage of benefits provided for our CITIZENS.

By waymon1

March 1, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

no! no freebies for illegals,

By Hosea

March 1, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

Why in God’s name should Illegal law breakers get any thing. They are crooks and thieves. Send them back. They are costing good people lot’s of money.

By Fed Up

March 1, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

People breaking the law should not benefit in the way that people who have busted their chops to get her legally do. I think the bill is a great idea. My prediction is that it will not stir up a black market. Instead, I would think that it will encourage illegals already in GA to move to a state that is willing to foot the bill for them and will discourage future illegals from settling in Georgia in the first place.

By Mike

March 1, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

I don’t care if they create a black market. I am sick of my tax dollers going to these leeches.

By Mike

March 1, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this

Syed,

Spoken like a true illegal. Welcome to our country. Now join up or go home.

By nancy

March 1, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

I think undocumented should get benefits because they do pay taxes like everyone else.Believe it or not they pay social security and high morgage when buying a house. Some of us should be more open-minded and less selfish.Besides there are many children involved in this; they should not be punish for their parents mistake anyways.

By BJ

March 1, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

Syed, I have issues with people on welfare, but they are US citizens not illegals and as such, have a right to those benefits. Your comparison is not even a part of the equation. Sterotyping also has nothing to do with the problem, if you are here illegally, you have no rights period.

By meme

March 1, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

Syed, yes we sterotype all illegals. For goodness sakes, they are breaking the law.

Carla, I agree with you 100%.

By AF

March 1, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Benefits- Hardworking American Citizens whose parents and forefathers helped to create this economy cant even get benefits.

By meme

March 1, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

Nancy, how do illegals file tax returns?

By Catherine

March 1, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

First of all when it comes to iilegals alot of people think Mexicans, but even people from as close as Canada to as far as Australia who are not here legally are illegals. The thing with these folk is that most are so law abiding as they try to prevent any drama to send them back and that includes paying their taxes and on time so why shouldn’t they rip the benefits of the dues that they pay, just like we citizens infact most of us are not as diligent when it comes to paying taxes.

By John

March 1, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

Hey I got it NO Benefits But the truth if you want to get rid of Illegals in Ga. File a petition to enforce the laws to the Governor and he will have no choice but to “Out-Law” any form of Illegal Immigration. Also why do Blacks have to play by the Law and they can walk around Illegally, sounds like blanket discrimination to me? No benefits its a “Right and Wrong” issue,People are fed up we need a third party political system for american people AMEN :)

By Syed

March 1, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

meme Yes, illegals can and do file tax returns, of course those who pay taxes.IRS don’t check W-2 for legality. Yes, I agree, illegals are breaking the law by being illegal, but I think , the priority should be more serious crimes, like murder,drug,robbery and so forth. When we send our kids to school, we worry about drugs and guns, not illegals. Driving over the speed limits is also breaking the law, do you think there should be new laws to revoke your DL for that.

Cathy couldn’t agree with you more. Illegals always try to stay away from the law enforcement, hence, they are the most law abiding. How many illegals you will see dealing drugs, robbery or other crimes.

Mike you are very smart, figured that I am an illegal. FYI- I went to school here and legally working. If I would stereotype; I would say, I am probably more educated than you are; but I won’t say that, ‘cause I don’t stereotype.

By meme

March 1, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

John, there are several political parties in the USA. They are just not as strong as the two most powerful. Don’t you think that whites also have to ‘play by the law’ too?

By american Citizen

March 1, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

I am totally for this bill that prevents illegal immigrants from getting ANY assistance. It should be for ALL illigels not just the ones over 18. This country has laws and rules on how to become a legal citizen if that is what someone from another country wants. But, to just come here to drain the taxpayers with higher taxes for any illegal immigrant whether over 18 or under 18 is against the laws of this country and is not being fair to the people that have to pay their bills. When a legal American citizen that has paid taxes all of there life gets laid-off or becomes sick an tries to get any government assistance it’s like pulling teeth. Yet, an illegal immigrant can walk in with no proof of anything and come out with all the assistance that they need. There is a SERIOUS problem with that picture. I’m sorry if that sounds inhumane but it’s just as wrong for legal taxpayers to have to pay for illegal immigrants to live in a country that they don’t want to become legal in.

By J. Painter

March 1, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

Thank goodness something is being done to stop this injustice. I also believe that if an illegal person is caught breaking the law (any law) they should be sent packing.

By jose gomez

March 1, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

Me looooooooooooooooooooove your souther american cooking. Mcdonald’s french fries mucho goooooood.

By J. Painter

March 1, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

P.S., tell Syed, that there is a whole industry that makes and sells SS cards, driver’s licenses, ID’s, work visa’s, etc. just for illegals. YES they can sign up for welfare and they do. And you know what? The caseworkers are not allowed to report the cheaters!!! How’s that for fair play.

By meme

March 1, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

Nancy, just checked with a tax agent (family member) and you are 100% correct. She said that some of the illegals have even paid enough into the SS system to reap benefits there too. Amazing!

By Juan

March 1, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

America is the haven for the oppressed and downtrodden!

We come here risking everything we have, to do jobs that Blacks won’t even do. We are a necessary part of the American economy. Americans get cheaper goods and services because of our labors.

The least America can do is allow us to participate in this great socialist mecca that your hard work and tax dollars goes to support.

By Syed

March 1, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

J Painter I think most of us have the same objective here; better use of our money, although few of the bloggers are writing just out of bigotry. I am not pro-illegal immigration. Yes, illegals are illegals and Yes it’s an issue, But i don’t think it’s the number 1 issue for the state or people. The war already took 200 billion, there was a huge waste of money in Katrina; some people have no help in NO while FEMA is paying $438/night hotel for a ‘victim’ in NY. We are wasting millions of $ on gas due to traffic. Also, if it makes you feel better; we , the legal immigrants and aliens, pay lot of extra tax and fees [not complaining]. Last month, I was thinking about moving. I called 2 men and a truck. 175/hr , 2 hr minimum. I talked to couple of ‘illegals’ they said they will do it for 50/person/day. So total 150 bucks for the whole day including their food. Now you tell me, what should I do. FYI - I havn’t moved yet. I think , in all honesty, one way or another, we all are benefitted from illegals. Being a alien worker and american educated, take my word on this, outsourcing is lot bigger problem than some poor illegals.

By granny

March 1, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

Juan, how dare you talk down to blacks. Our ancestors were forced to come here. You are not necessary to the economy. We were doing just fine before you came and forced us to hire double employee in the government to make sure that someone spoke your language. If it is so much better in the USA, you need to not make it like your country. Go back to your own country.

By Jesse

March 1, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

Granny,

Juan is on to something. Take the Chocolate City of New Orleans. While the displaced Blacks are seeking government handouts, the Mexicans have literally flooded the area doing the cleanup and reconstruction of New Orleans, jobs the welfare-induced locals won’t do. The once Chocolate City will be Vanilla before its all over !

By Granny

March 1, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

LOL. Good point, Jessie. Maybe all the illegals will move to New Orleans.

By tamara

March 1, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Syed, LOL that was a good one. Just yesterday I saw a car load full of mexicans pulled over by state patrol on I-20 with the drug dog. The day before there were two handcuffed behind their car. Guess the cops were just picking on them huh? They break the law everyday just by getting behind the wheel without a DL and for every dollar they take for untaxed wages.

By tamara

March 1, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

Also, that moving company that wanted to charge you so much would have had to pay Social Security, workers comp, liability insurance, state unemployment & income taxes on their net income.

By Syed

March 1, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

Tamara u r right, but forgot the major issue with the employer, Health. Health is causing a lot of lay offs and outsourcing. That’s a bigger problem. I admit, illegals is an issue, but I think we should try to fry the bigger fish. Also , some are not being fair, these are not just illegals, they are consumers too, they contribute to the economy same way we do. For example; Yes, we can drive away all the illegals from the state, that will cause businesses to close or shrink, will result job cuts, poor economy. Due to poor economy, more people will move resulting more job loss. Domino affect. There are reason that NY, NJ are rich and MS, AL are not.

By oldster

March 1, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Syed, are you saying that MS and AL are not ‘rich’ like NY and NJ because they don’t have illegals? What a concept.

By Scooter11

March 1, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

Adding insult to injury, a lot of the money earned by the illegals in the US of A leaves the US of A to take care of the families left back home. Come to think of it, maybe that means fewer illegals are here than there really could be. Small comfort.

By jg

March 1, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

Maybe if all the illegals were really good ice skaters we could have the government just make them all citizens and we could send them to the Olympics - oh sorry that’s already been done!

By Syed

March 1, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

Oldster What is your concept ?

By Jim

March 1, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

A year ago I thought the same thing, pack ‘em up..ship ‘em out. Then the oddest thing happened. I actually took some time to get to know some of my Hispanic neighbors and I started to see things in a different perspective. I don’t have an anwser to the influx of illegal immigrants entering our country, but I do know the strong desire humans have for survival and providing for their loved ones. What we see as coming here to take over and ruin our country, some simply see as a means to survive and feed the belly of a hungry child. New Orleans, with its pre hurricane unemployment rate of 30% in some areas should welcome, with open arms, people who have a work ethic and who want to work. Many, many Amercians born and reared on this soil have raped the U S Government of billions of your tax dollars, not just the people entering here illegal. Alosmt all of the fraud cases for Katrina, are U S citizens.

By etreuf

March 1, 2006 08:24 PM | Link to this

there is a lot the (“bull product” )agains illegals. Let me tell the people ( practicing racism ) : If all yours think the life is really confortable living like illegal in this country ?, drop your identity to the trashcan and try a new life living illegal,(that’s don’t soud good, rigth ? ). I’ll be here listening all yours experiences

By oldster

March 2, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

SYED, My understanding of what you said is that the NY and NJ areas are richer because of illegal immigrants and their contributions. If that isn’t what you meant then what the heck did you say? This is a blog about illegals.

By oldster

March 2, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

etreuf - Some of us are smart enough to know that breaking the law and living like an illegal isn’t the way to go. If you are an illegal, do you really think that I care if you are comfortable? Not on your life. I hope that you are miserable every day that you are here. What makes you think we are practicing racism? Just because we as Americans don’t like illegals doesn’t mean that we are racists. Sounds like you need a few more English lessons.

By Syed

March 2, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

Oldster What I meant is, those states and also the country is richer because of the immigrants as well as americans whos’ ancestors were immigrants too. Along with Immigrants, comes illegal, it’s like a social side affect. Now illegal is illegal, it’s not Very American to say you don’t care about those people just because they are illegals. Correct me if I am wrong, I think we should be human first then citizen. Yes, they a broke a law, but who doesn’t. I have 2 speed tikets, means I BROKE the driving law twice, should I get Lethal Injection for that. Ask yourself, when you go out on the street, or send your kids to school, what do you worry about; Drugs, sex offenders, gun crimes etc. Look carefully, you won’t see an illegals on those. I am not saying that illegal issue should be ignored, I am saying we should focus on the real crimes that’s affecting your, my life regardless of our immigration status. Now, You do have the right choose where your tax money goes. It’s fair if you get angry because non americans are taking advantages of the health care funded by your tax money. Here is a little comfort. We, legal aliens and residents (not citizens) pay a lot of extra tax and extra fees. Now that money also goes to the public health where american and illegals getting health care. Hey, we don’t mind, people are human first citizen second.

By oldster

March 2, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

“What extra fee and taxes do legal aliens and residents (not citizens) pay?” And like it or not, I think Americans come first and illegals come oh, lets say 5th. We do not choose where our tax money goes. If we did, illegals would get no services from my money.

By Syed

March 2, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

Oldster here are some examples. When I went to school, I paid 3 times tutuion fees. On top of those, International student fees, Mandatory Health and so forth. Now, I am working, I pay number of fees and also we file NR[non resident] tax. That takes more taxes. Also, here is a catch, we pay SS tax, although we are not eligible , at this point to get SS benefit. There are more, if you need list, you can visit uscis site. Also, when we buy houses, we pay extra tax plus extra apr based on our status. You do choose tax payer spending by voting, we can’t even do that. But we are ok with it. Also, you kind’o avoided my point ; Yes, when you rent your house, hires an employee , you can say american’s first, I agree, despite all the americans have Immigrant background who came here long time ago, and I believe without ‘VISA’ . Anyway, that’s not the issue, If you see an illegal is injured in a road accident or a shoot out, you think he should be denied emergency medical care ? Here is a fair idea, open a new hospital just for the illegals and charge the tax to the foreign workers here. I would be happy to contribute. and guess what, with me, millions of AMERICANS will contribute. Because they have compassion, that’s what this country is buitl upon, beacuse your fatheers and ancestors came from different country and culture, but they worked unitedly, with compassion, to build this country. And , Everyone, legal, illegals contribute to the economy.

By oldster

March 2, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

What point did I avoid? BTW after you have paid a certain amount of SS tax, you will be eligible for benefits. (According to my tax preparer.)

By oldster

March 2, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

I also think that illegals shouldn’t get food stamps or handout from government agencies, a free education for their children, or free medical care. Go back to your country if you don’t like it here or become a citizen so that you can vote.

By Syed

March 2, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

oldster I think I over estimated you a little bit. Anyway, FYI, Only citizens get SS, I won’t get it unless I become a citizen which I havn’t decided yet. Also, I never said I didn’t like it here. I like it here, mostly because of the true open minded american people who are compassionate, unlike you. That’s the grudge I see in most of the blogers here that stem from deep rooted bigotry in south. Also, Govt don’t hand out free citizenships. There are requirements, conditions, laws to become a citizen.Also, the most of the kids of the illegals are born here, born citizen, just like you. What do you want do about that ? The next thing you might say, even though they are born here, they shouldn’t get any benefits since their skin color don’t match yours. Anyway, It’s obvious we live in different world. But I enjoyed the blogs with you.By the way, If you get time , visit India or Bangladesh. We might see a better hospitality than you expect. Take care.

By oldster

March 2, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

I bet if I agreed with you I would be considered compassionate, wouldn’t I? My tax preparer is an enrolled agent. That means that he has been trained specifically by the IRS to do taxes. He told me that even illegals who have paid enough into the SS program will receive benefits. Who do you think I am going to believe? Don’t bring up the race issue with me. I could just say that I have noticed how foreigner like to play the race card. Why in god’s name would I ever want to visit India or Bangladesh?

By Syed

March 2, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

A tax preparer is trained to handle most common case , that are citizen and resident cases, which also can be done online. Special cases, like NR[Non Resident] case are handled by tax lawyers. Assume you know who to believe between a tax preparer or tax lawyer. I am not playinf race card, I don’t need to. I am educated, smart and have a decent job. I don’t need to play any cards. Here is the questions you avoided. 1- If an illegal is seriously injured by an accident or shooting, do you think he should receive emergency medical care. Simple yes or no answer. 2- the illegal’s kids are born citizen, do you think there is a difference between you and another person born here with illegal parents, again simple yes and no answer. Also, None of are going to change the world, it’s just chatting about the difference of our opinoion, we can easily keep the chatting friendly. Why did I brought the skin issue, because you asked me go home. There are americans in our country, we don’t ask them to leave.

By oldster

March 2, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

What does my asking you to go home have to do with your skin color. I have no idea what your skin color is. Nor do you know mine. You are playing the race card when you say that because someone skin is a different color that I will someday think they should not be considered Americans. Do I think that anyone injured should receive emergency medical care? Yes I do. Do I think people should cross the border to get free medical care? No I don’t. If someone is a citizen, then they should have all the rights and freedoms of a citizen. It doesn’t mattter if their parents were born here or not. If there parents are illegals, well, I haven’t made up my mind about that one yet. And I still don’t know why you think I would want to visit India or Bangladesh.

Don’t assume anything. My tax preparer does taxes for many non residents. I think the tax lawyer is handing you a line so that you have to pay him more.

By oldster

March 2, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

By the way, I am sorry that you trust a lawyer. Hope it is a close relative so that they don’t take you for everything you have.

By Syed

March 2, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

A tax preparer has less or no legal liability where a lawyer do. Plus, there are lot of SS benefits, some illegals can consume some they can’t , that heavily depends on the state.Since there are lot of laws and restrictions involving alien worker, it’s better to trust a lawyer. I bet, there is one issue you will agree with me is, no one wants to mess with IRS. As I said, I didn’t, do not and won’t need to play any race card whatsoever. All the discrimination issue,problem,law suits you see are between Blacks and whites. You will never see an Indian or asian suing. Personally I believe in Sir Herbert Spencer theory “Survival of the fittest” . If I have what it takes to get the job done, my color, look, religion, sex, sexual orientation can’t stop me. Also, make no mistake, illegals DO NOT come here to get medical benefits, they come here to work, most of them go to hospitals for emergencies. Hospitals are legally liable for “stabilizing” you , after that, you have to pay for the treatment. Of course they use a small portion of yours and my tax money. Again, it’s a trade off, they provide cheap labor which facilitates you and me to have a reasonable house rent, low grocery price. I wrote 1 blog about moving cost. I am thinking about moving, the cost of legal and illegal labor are 700 [with two men and truck] and 200 [with two amigo and their small truck]. tell me what would you do in this case. The whole health system sucks anyway, even if you get rid of all the illegals, the health system isn’t give you a penny break. Proof, Bush made a law putting some caps on malpractice law suits, hoping Docs insurance will go down, it didn’t. Why I ask you to go to India or Bangladesh ? to see the hospitality. To see the way we treat our guests. True we don’t have illegals, but we do have foreigners.It’s just an Invitation.In fact you don’t have to go there, there are lot of south asian community here. Just for testing, make an Indian or Bangladeshi friend, see how they treat you.

By olster

March 3, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

Syed, I have been so anxious to reply to your last vent. I live in a condo. My neighbors now are legal hispanics. I have no problems with them. They work hard, they are friendly and they are quiet. I don’t visit with them because of the language barrier. The couple that owned the condo next door before this family were Indian. I love them! They invited me to dinner several times. I invited them to dinner several times. We didn’t have a lot in common (they were in their 20’s and I am in my 50’s) but we had a very good neighborly relationship. They had made a point to learn English when they came to this country so we had few problems with communicating. However, his mother, who was closer to my age, was not a nice person. She always talked to me like I was trash. It goes both ways. As a whole, I have a lot more respect for the Asians in the USA because I know that they are here legally and they work hard to achieve their dreams. I just have a problem with the illegals, no matter what color they are or where they come from.

By etreuf

March 3, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

Hey Syed don’t spend your precius time talking with olster, maybe this guy have nothing to do just spend moms and dady money I think he is a liar, I think his business is only talk a lot about others,spend all day in the computer or playing xbox. Hey olster try to find a good woman and built a good family, work hard and be happy. make your own life and be a really man, thats is all this country need from you and everybody……

By oldster

March 3, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

etreuf, I guess maybe you do need a few more lessons in learning to read English.

By oldster

March 3, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this

BTW - I am retired and I think that my husband would object to me finding a good woman.

By Syed

March 3, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

Don’t think I am playing the race card, but I will quote from dave Chappel’s show. He was doing a stand up in LA and was talking about Dick’s shooting accident. Someone from the crowd shouted that Dick didn’t have permit for hunting. So Dave said “White people worry too much about technicality�? . The Mexican neighbors you have are exactly the same like some other Mexican who might be here illegally. Yes, it’s breaking the law, but it’s breaking the law on technicality. I don’t deny that it’s an issue and a problem . Yes, it is a problem. What I disagree is 1- Just because they are illegal, doesn’t mean they should be denied basic human needs, I am not saying Govt should give them unemployment benefits , but basic human needs. It’s like , just because I have 2 speed tickets means I am paying more insurance, it’s fair; but it wouldn’t be fair if I am denied basic rights, like food, medicine, just because I BROKE the LAW when I sped. An illegal goes to a govt hospital or health care only when it’s emergency, they always want to avoid govt officials. They don’t go there with minor fever or yearly check up. Also, Let’s face it, legal and illegal are here simply because there isn’t enough willing or committed people here. Now, Note that, I am NOT saying Americans are not committed or willing, I am saying ‘Not Enough people’ here. The universal rule is, As long as there is demand, there will be supply. Choking the supply is not a good solution, rather we should handle the demand smartly. As I said again and again, You have bigger problem than this. In my priority list, Illegal don’t come in top 10 problems that we have now. Example, Yestoday, Consumer report published top 10 Vehicles in USA. Guess what, none is American. That’s a huge problem. Ford and GM already said they will lay off around 50000 jobs. Look carefully, None of those loss because of illegal immigrants. Because of competition in global economy and outsourcing. This hurts Georgia big time, they will close Doraville and Hapville plant. If you call your customer service, the call goes out of USA, that’s not because of illegal, but outsourcing. When you send your kids to school, you worry about drugs, child molester, guns, nit illegals. Here is the big advantage of illegal, they stay away from crimes.

By oldster

March 3, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

I said my neighbors were “legal”. I don’t need a lesson in economics, thank you very much. And I still don’t think illegals should benefit from services. You are entitled to your opinion and since we are in the USA, I am entitled to mine.That being said, I will take my retired self and find something creative to do.

By RWH

March 3, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

For to long we have taken tax funded benefits and given it away…no matter who because people right here in these United States who are born here can’t get it freely…in fact, its remains a lot of “Red Tape”! But others can get it because they are here illegally and comes under different circumstances, “per say”. I am not against helping anyone; but why can’t we help our under without taking them into a whole new ball game. We lose millions and billions by doing stupid things and making decisions without going through the process. Right is right, and wrong is wrong, those who are here illegally, before giving them taxed funded benefits, let them earn the rights to have it by coming here by the process it takes!

By anita jones

March 3, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

Many are missing the point. They are INVADERS, which means an ACT OF WAR. Go home we dont want you. We have enough criminals here. Would Poland call the invading Nazis…”undocumented immigrants” ? I think not.The illegal invders deserve NOTHING but a boot in the a* as we load em up and bring their criminal ways back to where they belong.

By Syed

March 3, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Anita correction ! you should say “Go home I dont want you” or Bogots like you don’t want them. I don’t think you represent ALL americans. Some do want them, that’s why they are here. If you had “enough” education you would know, supply feeds the demand. So, For supply, there has to be a demand

By metoo

March 3, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

Hooray, Anita.

By metoo

March 3, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

BTW - the Doraville and Hapeville plants are already closing. That is old news.

By Susie

March 6, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

I used to work for a company in South Fulton county that hired “immigrants” to work in their plant. Each employee had documentation, (fake, apparently, and you’ll see why I know that in a moment). They would claim S99 on their payroll deductions, so that NO taxes would be taken out, and then at Christmas every year when the plant shut down for a week or two, they’d go home to Mexico, and come back after the new year with a new name and a new social security number! So therefore, their “old name” went back to Mexico and didn’t come back, and never paid any taxes, because none were ever witheld,(remember, they claimed S99!)

My friend, who did all the HR for the company even told the immigration people that it was going on, because she was afraid of her own liability. But the person at Immigration told her not to worry about it…if they had what appeared to her to be legal documentation, then her ducks were in a row and she couldn’t be held accountable for it.

There is something very wrong with that picture.

By Syed

March 7, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

Susie First of all , I find it hard to believe that ALL of the immigrant worker in your company are like that. Again, you work there, you know better. It looks more like Border problem, which was,is and will be there. This is totally up to Federal Govt, A lot of work to be done there. There is another reason for S99, that I have seen, couple of my friends who are in high paid job do that [I am from South Asia]. They choose S99, then every month deposite some money in savings, at the end of the year, they file tax, and the APR is the profit for them. But, I am sure they are very few in numbers.

By Mildred Jones

March 7, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

Illegal immigrants — of any age — should NOT receive benefits at the expense of America’s taxpayers. Definitely not!

By oldster

March 7, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

Amen, Mildred. Even children who are illegals should not receive benefits. And Syed, before you chime in, emergency services from the government are ok.

By marceia tuggle

March 7, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

I would support this bill. Taxpayers should not foot the bill for illegal aliens. They already have more benefits that some working families….

By Syed

March 7, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

Oldster what’s the difference between you as an American and the baby who was also born here with illegal parents. Should you call him illegal since his parents are ? If so, we should throw all the babies to jail that are born with criminal Mom or Dad

By Syed

March 7, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

Marceia Not true, If you see an illegal enjoying more benefits than an american Family, he is probably paying for that.True, they consume some benefits that are tax payers funded. Govt is run by all tax payers money, yours, mine . They spend the money for everyone’s best ineterests, some you might not agree, some I might not agree; But it’s a democratic society, we will have to look for the greater interest.The city spend a lot of money for failed Nascar bid, not everybody liked that, but it was the best interest for the city.If the state or city has to spend money on things that EVERYONE agrees, there won’t be any spending. Yes, Illegal worker is a problem, I agree. What I don’t agree is some politician are trying to portray it as if they are taking all the taxpayer’s benefits.Yes, by kicking them out you can save some money, but you will pay higher price for houses. It’s a economic trade off

By oldster

March 8, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

Syed, read the post again. I said children who are illegals. Children born here are legal citizens of the USA and I have no problems with them getting all the benefits they are entitled to get.

By john

March 8, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this

They (illegals)need to pay just like the rest of us. We are not opposed to immigration, they just need to do it the legal way. We the United States don’t owe any non-citizen a thing. We need to send the bills to Vincente Fox and then he may get some idea of how serious the U.S. is about the subject. The United States was once a poor depressed country. We, it’s people changed that. Hard work and preseverence is what these other countries need to do and not expect the United States to solve their problems.

By Citizen

March 8, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

I find it interesting that people don’t think illegals pay taxes. Has anyone considered that none of us ever completely avoids paying taxes? You can’t buy anything without paying taxes. Illegals contribute a lot of revenue to the state just by buying products from the store, buying gas, etc. Everything is taxed! This is in addition to the additional taxes paid through other means. Revenues in Georgia are increasing yearly, aren’t they? I don’t have hard data, yet, but I suspect that illegals contribute enough to pay for tax funded public education and emergency medical care.

By young lady

March 8, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

I am agianst the Bill…call it what you want to call it these people do pay taxes…if you havent noticed there are a lot of tax agencies that have bilingual poeple that work there. What is everyones concern really..that the goverment will run out of money for you people…because “illegals are taken over” think agian people where was thr goverment for Katrina…and Syde you are right most illegals dont go to the emergancy room for a simple scrape or a cut. Trust me if they need stiches they wont go for that.

By oldster

March 8, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

No illegals = no need for more funds for services = less taxes for citizens.

By Carol

March 8, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

Can anyone tell me what an american family looks like??? It just seems that some people are very judgemental and stereo-typing, So if you look hispanic-your mexican and an illegal person??? come-on get real not every person of hispanic decent is an illegal or (mexican) And from being from the south, you all sound as you have no love no other person that’s non-white!!!

By kj

March 8, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

You are all missing the point just like this proposed bill is missing the point…We do not need more laws, we need our federal government to enforce our country’s existing laws. The U.S. Dept of State only issues a specified number of VISAs and citizenship apps per year to avoid mass immigration into our country. They set numerous requirements (too many to list in a blog) for applicants in order to protect our country and its legal citizens. ie: Applicants must prove their ability to work and be financially independent by having sponsorship or education; this protects our economy from a draining of its resources. Applicants must provide documents showing their origins and character refs; this attempts to block entry by terrorists and known criminals. Illegals bypass this process breaking U.S. law making them criminals as soon as they step foot on U.S. soil. (Criminals can not be classified as law-abiding by definition!) As citizens, we need to tell our Federal government to regain control of our boarders, enforce our existing laws and deport the illegal, (criminal) immigrants currently on U.S. soil (that includes their children because in case noone has noticed we already have thousands of children in state care without parents to support and care for them) If our elected officials don’t do this then we need to remove them from office and elect officials that will truly represent us, the citizens of this great nation and enforce our laws. I know that America is the land of milk and honey but we cannot help our neighbors until we help ourselves by fixing our own healthcare, welfare, education, and social security problems. You can not feed others if you yourself are starving…

By chris

March 8, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

why everbody get so angry at immigrants? it is U.S.A. Goverment that is responsible for approving immigrant and taxing them. This situataion is not the immigrant fault!

By kj

March 8, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

I challenge all of you bloggers to use your passion in a constructive way to help facilitate change by e-mailing and writing your local and state representatives about this issue and others affecting our county, state, and country. Follow through, by educating yourself on the voting record of your elected officials and then vote in every election. Until you do this you won’t truly have the right to complain about how things are in our country today. It’s up to each of us to make things change for the better.

By Syed

March 8, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

Oldster I wish the equation were this simple. If you think , the illegals are tyaking a lot from your tax paeyer money, you are out of touch. They pay all kind’s of sales tax like you do, lot of them pay income tax as well, like you do. And, when they grow old, they go back to Mexico, don’t stay here to claim senior citizen benefits. Also, as I said again and again, They do anything to stay away from Govt Official. if you get a cuts or bruise, you call doctors or 911, which you should, but they don’t unless it’s severe. So, they are consuming a little compare to what they are giving.Here is an equation No Illegals= higher cost labor + Fewer consumers = downward economy= people moving out = job cuts =downward economy you se the chain

By DB

March 8, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

Let’s get a few facts straight here:

-Where my wife works at a medical clinic for the poor, 99% of the immigrants pay 100% cash without government discount because they’re afraid to get deported while most the local natives expect everything for free when they don’t even work, and they get it. The records are there, so don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. It’s all a big lie. And you know what, the immigrants are absolutely pleasant and thankful for what the service they pay for. The natives are selfish jerks that think the world revolves around them, and they complain and threaten lawsuits in every other sentence. Most people in the medical field don’t have time to read this blog and contribute.

-Most immigrants pay taxes, even at work with a fake SSI. Look up I-9. If you don’t have an I-9, you can’t work. Otherwise, if you are working, the company or person hiring you IS BREAKING THE LAW and should also be punished. Most give fake I-9’s, but at least they’re paying taxes. But no one wants to prosecute the businesses or the people handing out fake SSI’s, that would make too much sense.

-Illegals spend gobs of money at Walmart and other places generating sales tax revenue.

-They buy houses and live a productive life.

Let me tell you; I would much rather have my tax dollars go to people working their butts off to improve their lives than to loser natives who manipulate the system(and multiply), of which there are many more than illegals. If a person is working and paying taxes(which they can’t because it’s too tought to come here legally), they deserve all the public benefits. Now look up “Permanent Alien Resident” and realize most people are illegal simply because the government makes it nearly impossible to be an Alien Resident unless you own a business or attend a University.

Also, I love how everyone is against illegals while at the same time they continue to hire them or benefit from their services directly or indirectly through mowed lawns or cheap meat at Walmart from a slaughterhouse that hires thousands of them, cheap but excellent housework, cheap but excellent construction labor.

The real problem is that the government makes it almost impossible to come here legally when you’re willing to work jobs that no one else will work for such pay. That works out well for the country because the government knows the economic benefit of cheap, slave-like labor providing little or no benefits outweighs all the so-called fincancial burden illegals create to the states, which in reality is almost nothing.

Moral of the story, the government is exploiting illegal immigrants much more than the illegal immigrants are exploiting the government. Get real people, and look around!

People just love to jump on the bandwagon of ignorance and believe most immigrants are here to leach the system. Some do, but not nearly as many as those that are working hard to make a living. Most are absolutely hard-working, law-abiding individuals who are seeking a better life. And no one should blame that.

The government simply needs to get better at tracking and handling these individuals. Create much better border control, and allow those that are willing to work hard do it legally. That’s the answer.

By josh

March 8, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

Illegals are parasites trying to get as much free stuff as possible. Try can’t drive safely, have no insurance, and put a drain on our health system!

By DB

March 8, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

Oh, isn’t it funny how it’s almost impossible to come here as a legal immigrant from Latin America, but at the same time absolutely none of the immigration laws are enforced by the federal government after a Latin American gets here? Put two and two together. Officials could easily go around plucking everyone from construction sites and other jobs and prosecuting those that hire them. Why isn’t that happening?

By oldster

March 8, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

No Chris, no one is blaming the legal immigrants, we are blaming the illegal invaders.

kj, how do you know that we are not using our passion in a constructive way.

Syed, I have just decided that since you don’t know anything about me personally, you shouldn’t comment on what I do. I don’t go to the doctor or call 911 (only done it once when I was hit by a car) simply because I can’t afford to go to the doctor every time I sneeze. Yes, I have insurance, but I also have a copay. Many illegals pay nothing!

No illegals = no problem!

By DB

March 8, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

Yeah, Josh, we know! We’ve all heard it millions of times, and people just keep supporting it even though they have ill-informed opinions like yours.

By kj

March 8, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Chris, I agree. It’s not the fault of immigrants for wanting to provide a better life for their family. It’s our own (U.S. citizens) faults for spending several decades trying to ignore this growing problem. To stereotype for a moment: As americans we have become lazy and lackadaisical in many things including our responsibilities to our country. As citizens it’s our responsibility to actively participate in our government. (That does not mean just sticking a yellow ribbon on your car or flying the flag on your porch!) We sit back and think that everyone else will take care of things and guess what…those other people that are taking care of things have completely different priorities than you and I (like lining their own pockets with money at any cost to our country).

By DB

March 8, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

kj: It couldn’t have been said better.

By DB

March 8, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

oldster: Where do you get your information that many illegals pay nothing? Really. You’re just listening to political pundits that know nothing. Ask any medical office worker and see if illegals pay. Or at least ask them how many pay in comparison that don’t pay. You’d be surprised to know that most pay full price for fear of getting deported. AND MOST DON’T EVEN DARE TO SEEK MEDICAL CARE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

By DB

March 8, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

oldster: I think using the word “many” instead of “most” can be misleading.

By Syed

March 8, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

DB Loved your blogs. Most people that are writing here are either bigots or just simply jealous of the life the illegals are living. People, Get real, the work their butt off to live that live. Lots of American Business, like grocery, beer, will take a heavy heat if we drive away the illegals. Here is some personal experience, Facts. I can give names if you want to check out. When I was going to school I worked in Pizza delivery. I worked their for 4 years. I had three managers, who admitted to me several times, that they are trying to “Get Fired” . I asked them , why not quit, they said , “Get Fired” will give them Unemployment Benefits. we had illegal worker, and they never hard timed the management. During Mardi Gras, we needed extra help, the “Illegal” guy worked 12-15 hrs a day, while few american workers didn’t wanna stay a minute after the scedule because either they have dates or party etc. I have 2 employee were caught in cctv, having sex in the store, one employee was fired for being “under influence” . I can give many more examples. One morning, the store was closed because none of the 3 employee showed up, then the illegal guy, who was off that was called and he came in. I can gove you many more examples. Boottom line is, there is a limit that govt protection can do. You want you job back, earn it, look at fathers of these country, they earned freedom wealth for these country.

By DB

March 8, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

Oh, and don’t get me wrong. I think illegal immigration is wrong, so they should be deported if caught. However, the reality is that many are already here, and most are working hard. Does coming here illegally in a system that makes it nearly impossible to come here legally give our country the right to deny medical care to a HUMAN? Personally, I don’t have a problem with denying public assistance, just medical care, especially when most pay for it anyway. Great story, my legal Mexican friend files a form with the INS(or whatever they call it now), and it takes 3 YEARS to get an answer. This guy works his butt off and abides by most every law. A Canadian(white) guy I know files the same form and gets an answer in 1 MONTH! When it comes to being a productive member of society, the Canadian guy was busted for Marijuana possession and resisting arrest on a Harley trip with his friends, and he’s not being deported. He’s defaulted on several loans, mortgages, etc. but is here legally because he married a Canadian Naturalized Citizen. And he badmouths Mexican’s for being here!

I think it’s the government’s responsibility to enforce the laws they create, an area where it’s failing miserably. That creates the issues here. It’s simply a planned lack of attention by the government where illegal immigration boosts the economy. Immigrants don’t come here to get public assistance. That’s what most ignorant people are suggesting. They come here because they can get a job that pays more than, let’s say $1.40 for a 10 hour day of work.

By oldster

March 8, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

My SIL works for the Gwinnett County Hospital in the insurance department. That is where I got my information. And yes, I should have said that most illegals don’t pay their hospital bills.

By Mark

March 8, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

What many people don’t realize is that a lot of these illegals are criminals escaping here from Mexico, after 5 or 6 years here they can return to Mexico and their records are expunged. These are not all just good hard working people as you so often hear. There is no way to check the criminal history on these people. These people are sucking Government givaway programs dry and we are paying for it all, they should not get these benefits many which we cannot get ourselves even though we have worked hard all of our lives.

By michael

March 8, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

Go to Mexico and have a medical problem, guess what: NO CASH, NO HELP!

By DB

March 8, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

oldster: I’m not going to discount your evidence, but I am going to say my wife works as a medical biller in an office in Fulton county, and according to her, it’s the exact opposite of what your information source is claiming. However, I would say that at a hospital, it may be different because most illegals don’t even dare to get medical attention until they’re almost dead, and just going to the ER costs at least $800 to walk in the door. Those that don’t pay probably don’t want to give their information for fear of deportation, but they probably would if they had a way of billing them. I would say, if that is the case, part of the problem is the lack of being able to bill because of legal bureaucracy, not necessarily the illegals themselves. However, I still don’t buy it. You’ll find that many more citizens don’t pay their bill just as well, but nobody wants to talk about that.

My point is that it’s not the illegals that are bending over the sytem, it’s the citizens that don’t want to work and expect everything served to them on a platter. And the government and lobbyists that push for no enforcement of the immigration laws(and even make it more difficult to immigrate). The illegals more than make up for the small percentage by their hard work and boost to the economy.

By oldster

March 8, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

DB, I know that there are a lot of legal, native born Americans who don’t pay their bills. As far as I am concerned, they are trash - no matter what color they are or what country they are from. I actually work a job and a half to help pay my bills.

I guess too that going to the doctor and going to the ER would make a difference in whether or not payment was made. I know that when I fell and broke my arm, I drove myself to the hospital because even with insurance, I didn’t want to pay the ambulance bill.

By oldster

March 8, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

Opps, I do know that native born means born in the USA. LOL

By Nancy

March 8, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

Illegal means “illegal.” Why should illegals be allowed to stay in our country. They commit crimes and the only threat they receive is that they could be deported back to their country. What is that to fear? And, children are just that and should not be allowed any privileges b/c their parents are here illegally.

By DB

March 8, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

Actually, michael, I was in Mexico around Christmas, and I couldn’t help but to notice that you can see a doctor on demand(a darn good one at that) for about $10, period. In fact, I had to see one. They actually talk to you. And most doctors and dentists there don’t make six figures. And you can visit an emergency room in Mexico City, with equivalent or better care than most places here, and yes, the poor do get help when they genuinely need it in Mexico, and the visit is only a few hundred bucks for everything. But the crux of the argument is not what the conditions are in Mexico. The point is that people are coming here for jobs, not for free services. If you are stupid enough to think otherwise, so be it.

Oh, and where are all these Mexicans that don’t work and leach off the system? And how do a few hundred thousand immigrants(mostly working) in Georgia with a population of over 9 million cause such problems? It’s the local natives that are running the system down. I would even bet that some people on this blog right now are doing just that!

Mark: So where did you find the criminal records of all these Mexican immigrants, of which at least 45% are not even Mexican anyway? Are you saying “a lot” or “most” in that case. I would beg to differ if you’re saying most. That’s a pretty baseless assumption without having any information to back it up. Also, most people don’t realize that 45% or more of what we call “Mexicans” are in fact from Guatemala, Honduras, Columbia, Peru, (insert other country here) who just say they are Mexican so they only get thrown back to Mexico when they get caught, which shortens the trip for the next try.

Besides, people, why is it possible for illegals(small percentage) to get all these handouts? It’s because our laws cater to the larger percentage of citizens that leach the same system, and our laws are not being enforced. Go back to the previous argument.

Some of you need to take the time out and notice an immigrant and actually talk to them. You’ll find out that most are just like you and me, and they’re not all criminals, leaches, etc., at least not any more than our local native losers.

But the point still stands that our laws are not enforced by our government(for economic reasons). Border control, systematic deportation, and severe punishment for companies that hire illegals are the only things that will stop the problem(if there is one). If you take away the opportunity for employment, people will not cross the border. I would much rather have better border control and give the immigrants here working papers so the companies have to pay real wages and provide real benefits just like they would to citizens. Then the impetus to hire immigrants would decrease(less profit), and the immigrants wouldn’t be so willing to cross the borders illegally.

Also, some of the answer lies in decreasing public handouts to everyone, including citizens. Some people need help. Give it to them, but don’t ever give them money or an excuse to sit on their behinds even more. That’s what our system does right now. This is much deeper than immigration.

By DB

March 8, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

Nancy: Don’t you get it? Our government creates the condition that most are illegal(because it’s almost impossible to come here legally). And the government does not care too much about deporting people as it will take away from our pool of cheap labor.

If you wanted to deport a large number of people, it would be quite simple to raid jobsites and get it done. Just round up people that can’t speak English well and ask them for documentation. Why does it not happen? It’s because our laws(laws that are created by the politicians for whom you vote) prevent that from happening. And our government is not interested in deporting mass numbers of immigrants because they boost our economy and, well, it’s quite expensive and will be a ever-growing expense as long as companies offer a better life to immigrants in the form of jobs.

By DB

March 8, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

Anyway, best wishes to everyone. I have some work to do.

By Honest

March 8, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

Hey Oldster, just a quick comment, didn’t you say you were retired? Why are you working 1 and 1/2 jobs? Just making a point as to how legitimate your figures and numbers are…LOL!

By michael

March 8, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

DB: (dumb …) yeah that’s what I thought.

Guess what? I lived in Mexcico and my parents own property there; It is pay as you go - so I don’t know where you were - And, Mexican politicians even admit they cannot deal with the poor and social probelms of the Mexican people; so the pressure off their system for their people coming here is actually helping ease problems in Mexico.

Pay to play baby. Next time you need to go to an ER, ask why they are bursting at the seems and it is taking so long to see precious DB? I don’t really care b/c I can pay to go to the Mayo Clinic.

I hope you really need “to go” someday and see for yourself, and experience problems.

Pay more for services. End of story.

By oldster

March 8, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

I am retired from my main job ( I was a teacher for 32 years) and then had to take on a job and a half to pay some medical bills. I will be able to retire again at the end of this month. I hope.

By oldster

March 8, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

Oh, yes, what figures and numbers have I given?

By vanessa

March 8, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

I am so tired of the tired excuse that “they” are doing jobs that Blacks will not do. First of all, my grandfathers and grandmothers did those same jobs for free during and after slavery. Secondly, those employers who employ illegals require a Black person to have a Ph.D before they will even give him/her a job flipping burgers. And most importantingly, those in power/the wealthy (i.e. outsourcing) created this problem because they were looking for a way to fatten their own calf while straving the powerless. Do you think employers pay illegals fair wages or offer them benefit packages. NO. Who is truly reaping benefits and profits from this injustice? Not the illegals.

By NJane

March 8, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

About illegals eating away tax money, here’s a tidbit that might clarify a bit for the fanatics: In 2002, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB)- the principal economic policy arm of the White House found an “unaccountable $43 billion in the annual budget” - that is 43 BILLION. Eventually attributed by the OMB to “illegals” who don’t match the SSA’s files and numbers - who paid the SS and Income taxes…..Remember that’s 43 Billion and probably a bit more by the time the idiots enforce a “hate foreigner” campaign in Nov 2006 so that they can go to Washington and get access to some power!

By Dano

March 8, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

Why are so many of the people misinformed about illegal immigrants’ and them receiving state benefits. I work for the state and Illegal immigrants cannot get Medicaid, Food stamps, etc. The only free thing most get is health care at the ER, which has to pay for anyone regardless of ability or citizenship. To be honest, all this talk of getting tough is just talk. Illegal immigrants, European, Asian, Hispanic, have been coming here since the USA was founded. They will continue to come. We know they are here. So why not give them some abilities that will benefit them and us.

Driver licenses would ensure that they know the rules and can hold them accountable for driving. They could get insurance and legal tags. I would rather be hit by an illegal with a valid license. insurance, etc. than one who has nothing. Driving is a privilege, not a right. Make affordable health insurance plans with premiums, so that an alien (and ALL persons in USA) could obtain and pay for his health insurance. Provide a better plan to obtain citizenship.

Cracking down and denying all services is not going to stop the problem. The main problem is our capitalistic society which is dependent on this labor by illegal aliens. The ones who come here illegally and commit crimes, then I say arrest them and hold them accountable. For those honest, hardworking, aliens whose only crime is not being a citizen, which in it’s self is not a threat to anyone, they should not be severely punished by denying everything. The GOP is misleading us, and they always blame “liberals”. Being liberal is not a bad thing. It means that we are more broad minded and open. It does not mean that we less patriotic, law abiding, or decent. Liberals can be conservative in some areas. I am conservative in some areas, but very liberal when it comes to social institutions.

By Syed

March 8, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

NJane couldn’t agree more. All these people writing about illegals, they are probably in a house or apt built by illegals.Not any of them can show an example how ther are directly affected by an illegal. It’s just hatred towards the foreigners. Example, I am not Mexican, just because of my name and opinion, I have been called illegals several times.

By DB

March 8, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Tultepec, Edo. de Mex, just North of Coacalco. That’s where I was. Let me guess, you were in San Miguel de Allende? I’m just curious. My wife is Mexican(100% legal), and she lived there for 20 years and knows that the poor can get some help by the government, and it is much better now. It’s not the best, and, yes, the government does admit it to a certain extent. However, Mexico does not give handouts like we do here, which is running our country into the dirt. And it’s not just immigrants from Mexico that take advantage. That’s my whole point. The programs there aren’t great, but the programs here take it too far where those that really need are overshadowed by those(both citizens and illegals) taking advantage. You have to wait, here, too, in the ER and Doctor’s office and then get slammed with a $5000 bill. If you don’t have insurance or if you have to apply for government help, you get put on the “waiting for good care” list here. No one talks about that. If you go to a hospital as a Mexican in Newnan, they tell you to go to another hospital, even if you’re dying. What’s the difference?

Besides, what goes on in Mexico is beside the point.

And everyone, don’t worry. Mexico’s economy is on the mend. Eventually, the standard of living there will be equal to ours, and people will not be coming in hoards. And, maybe even we will be trying to go there.

By DB

March 8, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

michael: And by my use of the word “stupid”, not dumb, I meant it must be stupid to think most immigrants aren’t coming here for work, which invalidates the argument that most are coming for a free government ride. I didn’t mean you were stupid because you’re obviously not. If you took it that way, I apologize.

By aj

March 8, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

How will a drivers license hold anyone accountable when your not held accountable for illegal status.Thats a dream world. I for say it’s about time.

By DB

March 8, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

vanessa: It’s not a black and white thing. Who said anything about blacks? Immigrants are doing the jobs Americans(Black, white, red, etc.) won’t do for the price.

By Mr. Fox

March 8, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

I heard Mexico will provide a free* weeks vacation to any Mexican resort town to any American that will provide schooling, healthcare, social benefits and and ‘67 Impala to the next 50 border runners.

• denotes NADA

By DB

March 8, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

Oh, my opinion is that no illegal should get public benefits, don’t misunderstand me. But my point is that most aren’t getting them anyway, so this bill will not make any difference in immigration. It will only prevent the loss of a little money while leaving the situation of exploiting illegals for cheap labor unchanged. A real bill to stop illegal immigration would be best aimed at taking away the jobs that keep them coming here.

By DB

March 8, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Besides, immigration is keeping our population and economy growing. Without immigration, the U.S. has a negative population growth.

By Andrew Keegan

March 8, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

To all those in favor of restricting illegal immigrants, I can’t wait to see you whine when the price of produce skyrockets because no one else will do the job. Must be nice to sit back in your middle-class house and pass judgement. Yeah, that’s the ‘real’ Christian way.

By Bill

March 8, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Why don’t each one of you who votes Republican contact the George W. and tell him to close the boarders and stop illegal immigration? He cut funding on boarder patrol. Put your money where your mouth is…..

By oldster

March 9, 2006 08:15 AM | Link to this

Just wanted you to know that I got a nasty (and I do mean nasty) email last night from someone on this blog. I think that being an American entitles me to my opinion. Being in American entitles you to yours. I don’t appreciate the personal attacks since you have no idea why I feel the way I feel. You don’t have to agree with me and I don’t happen to agree with you.

By Lord Burl of Georgia

March 9, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

( All these people writing about illegals, they are probably in a house or apt built by illegals.Not any of them can show an example how ther are directly affected by an illegal. )

Well lets see now, the taxes I pay per year are on a steady incline..

1.) I have to adjust my W4, look for charities to donate to and document all my expenses in hopes of proving to Uncle Sam that I paid my fair share of tax money.

2.) I’m sure that part of my tax money pays for:

a.) Schools where children of illegal aliens go each monday - friday.

b.) Some type of “free” lunch for the same children

c.) Federal Tax dollars that are allotted to the states for reimbresment for health care costs involving illegals ( I’m sure Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, can relate )

3.) My car insurance has to have an uninsured driver provision — plenty of illegals driving out there, without a vaild US license or insurance.

4.) Property tax/city tax/etc must fund the local courts and jails which house and feed the illegals who get jailed on misc charges. The State takes the fines and decides how much the cities/counts get in return.

We need a few things in this country to get straight:

1.) New Tax system - National Sales would be nice and end the payroll tax.

2.) Close up our borders ( North and South )

3.) Deport as many illegals as possible. Including Asian, European, Middle Eastern, Hispanic, etc…

4.) Re-invent the Work Visa process to allow those interested in American citizenship to come here on a probationary period and earn citizenship.

By NJane

March 9, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

There are 12 million of “them” now. There’s nothing we can do about it, no way to send them home in an orderly fashion. So the best way is to make them legal, enforce new cut-offs for fresh aliens, make them pay taxes. Heck, these taxes may pay for the crumbling infrastructure at home and that endless war against women and children in Iraq!!

By oldster

March 9, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

Let me show you how I was directly affected by an illegal. Last June, I was hit by a car. There were three cars involved. The person driving the car at fault had no driver’s licence and no insurance. Guess what? He was an illegal. He was taken to jail and charged but of course made bail and disappeared. I was left with some physical injuries and spent some time in the hospital. I had insurance, but paying the hospital bills and getting another car, costs me all of my savings and more. I am currently working 3 parttime jobs to pay off those bills and put aside a little in savings. I have a good reason to resent illegals.

By Syed

March 9, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

oldster Very sorry for your experience. I lived in AL for a while, now in GA. No insurance has nothing to do with illegal. Illegals who have DL, get insurance, you can’t get insurance without DL. That’s why we should give them SSN and DL, I am not saying we should give them free Green Cards. I have seen more americans without insurance than I have seen illegals. My car was involved in 2 fender bender with suspected illegasl, I got paid both the time. Once, it was my fault, I wanted to call the cops so that my insurance can take care of my their car and mine. Guess what, they begged me not to call the police and they paid to fix my car, I din’t feel good about it, but they were happy, that convinced me. The health system is totally screwed up anyway. As you can tell, I am very liberal, I have lot of americans friends. One, she had 2 babies, both the time, the hospital bill was huge, she got away with state help. State paid all. Since she goes to school, state even pays for her day care. Need I say morea

By DB

March 9, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

oldster: Report the email address of the person that sent you the nasty email. That’s just plain harassment. And, man, illegals surely have affected your life. My neighbor had a similar experience, only their car was totalled while his truck had a small bumper scratch. The people(don’t know if they were illegal) begged him not to call the cops, and they paid him $1000 cash for damage of about $20. Besides, if illegals could get work permits, they would get insurance. But they can’t because the government would rather keep them under the radar so companies can exploit them for cheap labor. Oh, and that answers part of your earlier question as to how a driver’s license would help a little. Legalize them and tax them. That’s what all you guys really want because you know our economy would collapse without the slave-like labor practices companies use towards illegals.

By oldster

March 9, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this

No more is needed, Syed. I am one of those (and I bet you are too) who was taught that any debt is mine and should be paid by me and not the state. I am sure that I could have declared bankruptcy, but I wouldn’t have been able to live with myself if I had. I have to pay my debts.

By DB

March 9, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

oldster: Believe it or not, that’s how most immigrants think. Most people from Mexico(don’t know many otherwise) are very responsible for their debts. They come from a society where they have to pay up front people for almost everything. And when they have a car accident, they usually go to the police station and are not released until fault has been determined and damages are allocated to the driver at fault. Believe me, more than likely that situation you had was created simply because the person was afraid of being deported, which wouldn’t be an issue if our government handled things differently. And maybe you just ran into the wrong illegal, quite literally. I’m sure most are more than willing to pay you off before the cops come.

By Just

March 9, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

When it comes to illegal immigrants, they need to just go ahead and start the process to become legal. Sure, it’s probably a very lengthy process. Probably a lot of paperwork and bs involved, but do it. BECOME LEGAL! Then the illegal immigrants wouldn’t have to worry about all of this. They would then be legal immigrants.

By jg

March 9, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Tale of two Illlegal families in the apartment complex where I live - Family Number One -nice, clean family, one car, speaks english, dad gets up and goes to work every day, kids well behaved and do well in school, great neighbors. Family Number Two - 4 families living in the same apartment, utilizing about 6 parking spaces,loud music, beer bottles and trash everywhere, no habla, kids wild,un-supervised and discipline problems at school. Being said, why deport Family Number One?

By Bill

March 9, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

Can we also deport all the white trash and rednecks out of Georgia?

By Lord Burl of Georgia

March 9, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

( Being said, why deport Family Number One? )

Wasn’t Muhamad Atta’s group well mannered and didn’t cause any trouble until 9-11??

My point is that the security of our country is broken.

By jg

March 9, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

Point taken - it is a terrible situation all around.

I was speaking of the Hispanic illegal aliens. The terrorists came in an entirely differnt way.

As for an illegal ” they need to just go ahead and start the process to become legal. ” is not as easy as you think….

I see that the topic of “paying a citizen to marry you and get your green card” has yet to be mentioned. Not sure what the going rate is these days but about 9 years ago it was about $7000.

By oldster

March 9, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

LOL Maybe I could use the $7000 to pay off those medical bils.

By jennifer

March 9, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

i have spoken to many homeless that are more than willing to work the low payed jobs that iiegal immigrants are working they just don’t know how to gain that employment. out law begging and proved shelter for our americans that are sleeping under briges.this wold lower over crowed shelters and improve the funding in our schools send illegals back. they do work hard, but the don’t belong here we can not even support our own.

By Syed

March 9, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

Lord Burl of Georgia what about Tim Mcvay or Eric Rudolf, were they immigrants too ? A terrorist is a terrorist. You don’t have to be legal or Illegal to be a terrorist. In fact, all of the 19 hijackers were here legally

By jennifer

March 9, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

ALL WHO ARE SAYING SEND ILLEGALS HOME FIGHT FOR MORE THAN GREED MY MILTARY FAMILY FEEDS THE HOMELESS EVERY WEEKEND AND OUT OF THEM ARE THE WAR HEROS THAT FOUGHT OUR WARS AND GAVE US ALL THE RIGHT TO TALK FREELY. THEY WANT TO WORK THE LOW PAYING JOBS THAT ARE GIVEN TO THESE ILLEGALS. IN OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW THERE (ARE BY CENSES) 1 MILLON HOMELESS, AND 11 MILLON ILLEGALS. REGARDLESS OF YOUR PUPOSE WE ALL WANT OUR AMERCAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS TAKEN CARE OF THE ARE NOT LAZY THEY ARE BEING FORCED TO BEG AND ARE WILLING TO WORK. IF YOU AGREE OR NOT THIS IS THE FIGHT THAT WILL TAKE BACK OUR USA.

By jennifer

March 9, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

OK SYED IT WAS NOT PROVEN THAT THERE WERE 19 TERRORIST ONE HAS ACCULLY BEEN CHARGED THIS IS ONE OF THE FREEDOMS WE HAVE TO FACE A COURT AND IF YOU ARE HERE ILLEGAL WHY DONT YOU GET CITISENSHIP IF YOU REALLY ARE SO WELL EDUCATED AND IT IS OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM THAT TAUGHT YOU DID YOU EVER THINK OF THE AMERICAN CHILD THAT LOST THEIR MOM OR DAD AT WAR AND THEN DID NOT HAVE FUNDING FOR A SPECIAL NEED LIKE SPEECH BECAUSE YOU WERE IN THEIR SCHOOL ON A FREE MEAL PROGRAM

By jennifer

March 9, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

WHATS WRONG NO ONE HAVE A REBUTAL DOSE ANYONE DISAGREE? I HAVE BEEN OVER SEAS DOSE SYED KNOW WHY THOSE ILLEGALS WANTED TO PAY FOR THE REPAIR RATHER THEN GO CALL THE LAW BECASE IF DEPORTED IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO BEG AND THE BUMS ARE SENT TO CAMPS OUT SIDE OF TOWN AND JAILED ON THE 3RD OFFENCE THEIR CONCERN IS FOR THE BETTERMENT NOT TO BE FAIR. AND IF WE EVEN WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MEXICO PEOPLE THEN LETS THEIR STORIES ARE HORRIFING POOR HAVE WEALTHY LOOKING OVER THEM WITH MONEYS THEY MUST PAY AND THE POOR TAKE IT TO EXTERM CUTTING OFF LIMBS IN HOPE OF MORE PITTY OF DUMB A* AMERICANS GOING THERE TO SHOP AND HEY ITS GETTING LESS COMMEN, BUT WHY DID THEY GET SMARTER OR DID THEY FIND AN EASIER WAY TO GET MONY FROM AMERICA.

By jennifer

March 9, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

OK ANY ONE WHO DISAGREES WITH PEOPLE LIKE SYDE BEING HERE ADMITTING THE STATAS OF THEIR CITISENSHIP AND DOWN GRATEING US FOR GIVING THEM THE EDUCATION THEY STOLE FROM OUR CHILDREN THEN YOU CAN START A PETION ASKING OUR FELLOW AMERICANS TO STAND FOR WHAT WE ALREADY WON IN WAR, WHAT OUR PEOPLE DIED TO GIVE US! FREEDOM OF SPEECH. KEEP OUR JOBS FOR US IT NOT IN HUMAN IT OUR RIGHT. AS FOR THE CHILDREN EFFECTED THEY WILL CYCLE OUT AFTER ON GENERATION OF STANDING UP. THEY COME FROM OTHER CONTRYS AND COULD BE GREAT PEOPLE LET THEM BE GREAT IN THEIR OWN LAND

By jennifer

March 9, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

HAVE ANY OF YOU VOTED ON THIS TOPIC LAST NNIGHT 12 THOUSAND IRISH IMIGRANTS LOBBIED TO HAVE NO DIFFERANCE THAN AN AMERICAN HEY IM IRISH AND GERMAN DESENT BUT I’M ALSO AMERICAN

By oldster

March 9, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

Jennifer, if you will stop yelling at us, someone might answer you.

By jennifer

March 9, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

JG DEPORT THEM SO THEY COME BACE IF THEY CHOSE AND BE LEGAL EVEN THE BIBLE SAYS LIVE BY THE LAWS OF YOUR LAND

By Syed

March 9, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Jennifer Love your blogs, would love it more if you don’t type all caps. Now, here something for all the American blog writers. It’s not easy being a citizen, it’s easy being an illegal. I went to school here, got a Master’s, working as a software developer in atlanta. I have been always legal and my papers are clean and straight forward, now If I start my process of “Being a Citizen” I will be lucky if I can be a “citizen” by 2013. So, Get this staright, illegals are not voulntary illegals.Also, FYI,Many of us, alein worker, legal immigrant even naturalize citizens, work here for a period of time, thene go home for retirement, hence don’t take the SS, medicare and Medicaid benefits that we have paid for. The reason is , I don’t know about other culture, but the south asian culture is, we retire and live with sons and raise grand kids. It’s just different from here.

By Lord Burl of Georgia

March 9, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

( Lord Burl of Georgia what about Tim Mcvay or Eric Rudolf, were they immigrants too ? A terrorist is a terrorist. You don’t have to be legal or Illegal to be a terrorist. In fact, all of the 19 hijackers were here legally )

You are correct, anyone can be a terrorist, domestic or foreign. However, with our borders the way they are, we invite trouble.

I do agree that there are plenty of immigrants who wish to better their lives and add to our great society. I want to see these people succeed just like anyone else. I have a problem with people coming here illegally and have no intention of becoming “Americanized” or contributing to our country.

By TC

March 9, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

Finally, the government (even if it is just the state level) is doing something about this serious problem. Thank you to all the legislators that voted for this bill. I just can’t comprehend how the illegals and their proponents believe they have a substantive argument against taking steps against illegal immigration. It just boggles my mind…THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW! There are too many problems to list regarding this issue and too few benefits from illegal immigration.

Now if we could only get the federal government to do something about this…

By jg

March 9, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

We have so many friends and relatives that we would love to have move here from the Dominican Republic.

Unfortunately we are told by the gov’t that they don’t qualify as they are not accepting LEGAL immigration from certain countries.

Then we tried the Diversity Lottery Visa Program - (this is from the website)

For your convenience, instructions are available in Arabic, Bengali, French, Romanian, Russian, and Spanish.

THAT’S CONVENIENT - don’t learn the language!

For DV-2007, natives of the following countries are not eligible to apply because they sent a total of more than 50,000 immigrants to the U.S. in the previous five years:

CANADA, CHINA (mainland-born), COLOMBIA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, EL SALVADOR, HAITI, INDIA, JAMAICA, MEXICO, PAKISTAN, PHILIPPINES, POLAND, RUSSIA, SOUTH KOREA, UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and VIETNAM. Persons born in Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR and Taiwan are eligible.

So even though someone wants to come here legally - they can’t.

Even to try and come in for vacation from some of these countries it has been a problem…..

By Donna

March 9, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this

All immigrants since around 1990 whether legal or illegal are being used by corporations for lower wages and higher profits. American workers have adapted to the changing job market and will survive. What illegals don’t get is that if and when the “guest worker” program takes place, they will become obsolete as companies will look elsewhere for even cheaper labor. When immigrants start asking for more money and benefits, i.e, health care, worker’s comp, higher wages, etc. they become just like American workers were before the immigrants arrived, expensive employees. A legal American worker can get job re-training and placement services. Immigrants who are not American citizens cannot. The “guest worker” program and other visa programs require a job for the immigrant worker. If there is no job for them, they have to return home. A lot of companies are looking for cheaper labor in the Asian job markets. For example, in Washington state, the apple growers are bringing in Thai workers to displace Mexican workers. The Thai workers work for less money and are more controllable. The problem with the illegal workers is they are creating social problems and there were no controls on their immigration. Companies are wising up to this and want cheaper labor with more immigration control.

By Nel

March 9, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

I don’t think many of you understand the fact that the majority of illegal/undocumented workers are hired, they present documentation, if that SS if bogus it’s more than obvious that the government pockets them money. As mentioned earlier, that’s a ton of money that could be used for the healthcare that illegals supposedly use up, so why is it not being used? When they pay rent, doesn’t the landlord pay property taxes on their apartments. If so, then where are those dollars? That said, it’s pretty clear they pay their way, especially the fact that the majority of these people don’t want to draw attention to themselves. Nobody is talking about native born people overburdening the system because they don’t feel like working and live of our dollars and pay nothing into the system, then find ways to get money back in tax credits at the end of the year. Finally, tere are thousands of people the the government allows into this country as “refugees” from selected areas that live off the government for everything. I recall a woman in the hospital having her 9th child and the government paid her healthcare costs….she wasn’t black or brown. That’s just one individual.

By someone who wants you to think

March 9, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

Leviticus 19:33-34 ‘When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.’

People should be ashamed of themselves.

By meme

March 9, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

Please don’t quote the bible. All of us don’t believe in it.

By AVERAGE BROWN

March 14, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

I WOULD LIKE TO TELL ALL THE PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN THIS INTERESTING CONVESTATION THAT THERE IS NOTHING YOU GUYS CAN DO. THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED BY IMMIGRANTS AND LAWS ARE MADE TO PROTECT THEM, SO INSTEAD OF WASTING THE “WE SHOULD, SHOULD BE, AND ALL THE ARGUMENT JUST LAY BACK AND WATCH THE COUNTRY GROW INTO A MORE DIVERSE SOCIETY. THERE IS NO STOPPING FOR THE ILLEGAL IMIGRANTS, WE ARE TOO MANY AND WE ARE EDUCATED. WE ARE NOT JUST LABORERS WE ARE ALSO YOUR MANAGERS IN STORES, ELECTRICIANS, MECHANICS, ETC….. SORRY FOR PUTTING IT THIS WAY. ENJOY THE VERY PROMISING PROPOSALS THAT HAVE NO FUNDAMENT POSTED IN THIS PAGE. ATT. YOUR AVERAGE BROWN PERSON.

By Jose

March 15, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

I think you are ALL a bunch of racists, we need the money to send back home and we are heer and deserve the same healthccare and other monee you get from american govermint

By CAM

March 15, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

If you are here illegally, you don’t deserve anything. And if you think that I care what you think about me, you are sadly mistaken. If you think that you are well educated, you need to go back and read your post.

By X3shadowX3

March 20, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Poor racist people.Think about the problem ther’s gonna happen if all those illegal immigrants are sent back to their countries.Who is gonna pay for your food stamps?Where’s your government going to get the money to give to your old and sick grandparents?Who’s gonna coock your food at the restaurants you like to go?So,why don’t you go home and sit down,and let all those illegals do the heavy jobs that lazy whites don’t want to do.

By Susieq

March 24, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

Before illegals came and drove the wages down in this country, there were Americans working in the restaurants,motels,and doing construction work. We do not need illegals. We need to pay Americans a decent wage. Illegals are not loyal to this country. When they protest in this country, many of them carry Mexican flags. Look at pictures of the protests in Milwaukee and Chicago. Send them all back to Mexico!

By TB

March 24, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

The issue is should we as tax payers support illegal immigrants? I could not get help for my grandmother who is a US citizen so why should I support someone who is here illegal. ILLEGAL is the key word, they are law breaking citizens and should be sent back home. SAVE GEORGIA DEPORT THE ILLEGALS!

By Dave

March 29, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

What this whole thing boils down to is this. The Rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. It’s that simple, company’s want a bigger bottom line and the way to do that is bring in some illegal workers to do the work that an American citizen or legal immigrant wont do, not because they aren’t willing to do the work, but because they aren’t willing to do the work for that low of a wage. I though that’s why we have minimum wage, to prevent this from happening to us. The real criminals are the ones employing these illegal immigrants, big Corporations. What Washington should be worrying about is there is one thing that a legal citizen has over an illegal doesn’t, that is the right to vote. The majority of the voting public is going to be affected by the illegal immigration. So this question is to the politicians. If I’m going to lose my job to an illegal immigrant, how do you think I will vote this coming election?

By Van

March 29, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

Dave, I agree, go after the people that hire them.

But, if we do that, shouldn’t we go after the school districts that educate the illegals? What about the universities and colleges that give them in state tuition?

What about the banks that loan money to illegals?

By linda

March 29, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

Our some of you people stupid or what? In 1997 bill clinton,yes bill, passed a law that all illegal aliens coming to the u.s. will recieve welfare benefits. He then made a pack with mexico’s president telling him to get their pregnant women over here and all of their kids would be taken care of. Free medical dental foodstamps welfare everything. This is why we have about 40 million illegal aliens in the us in every state, except for alaska. They live off of our welfare. Average 4 to 6 kids per family. Cause severe school gas and oil shortages. Hospitals are closing down due to them not paying for medical care! Americans are losing their homes due to rising property taxes in order to pay for billingual terachers and new schools for citizens of another country! This is an outrage! We can’t afford to heat our homes or feed our kids sufficient food due to the illegal aliens! Not to mention them taking away our jobs. They are going to get your social security benefits if amnesty takes effect. Anyone wanting them here can pay for their welfare benefits and yes they do get unemployment, new schools, higher gas and oil prices and for them to be lodgedin our jails and prison. As a legal citizen I have the right to refuse to go in the hole due to illegal aliens. We have to all start marching now and protesting this. If we stopped all welfare benefits they would not be here. If your kid needs emergency help and the hospital next to you closed due to illegals and your kid dies by the time he gets to the closest open hospital are you going to say, “well Johnnys dead at least we took care of our illegal aaliens?” Get real.

By X3shadowX3

March 30, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

I just want to say something to all those hispanic people who are here legally and are against illegal people.Don’t remember where you are from,and how did you come here?So,please stop thinking like white people.I want to say 4 words to all of you.”C*****-SU-PERRA-MADRE”

By Lynne

March 30, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

I say a great big NO to benefits for Illegal residents! I am on Disability and had to be on it for TW0 YEARS before I was elegible for Medicare, so I went 2 years with no medical coverage, yet I was, and still am, disabled. I was an honest taxpaying citizen all of my life, yet illegals think they are entitled to free healthcare? Thank you GA Legislators, at long last! As far as illegals paying taxes, who’s SS# are they using?

By dee

April 3, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

Illegal immigrants are not entitled to any aid from the state or federal government. They use fraudulent social security numbers-which the government is aware of- and then claim so many deductions that little or no taxes are taken from their wages. If they will not pay the proper amount of taxes, they should receive no benefits.

By dee

April 3, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Illegal immigrants are not entitled to any aid from the state or federal government. They use fraudulent social security numbers-which the government is aware of- and then claim so many deductions that little or no taxes are taken from their wages. If they will not pay the proper amount of taxes, they should receive no benefits.

By cc

April 3, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Everyone should know that the illegal immigrants are not going anywhere so, you hit them where it hurts. Fine the employees $20,000 for each illegal they hire and if they continue, double the fine. Also don’t give them any State or Federal aid. No welfare! Also if a child is born here and their parents are illegal he should also have the same status as his parents who are here ILLEGALLY. The government has forgotten about the americans who live here and don’t give a damn about us so why should we re-elect them. Point that out to each and every one of those who are suppose to represent us, people who are proud to be americans and will fly the american flag. Also they need to learn to speak english.

By Brown And Proud

April 6, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this

“Also they need to learn to speak english”.What the fuk “cc”?Why don’t you better learn how to speak Spanish?I’m not a stupid ignorant,and I know more about illegal people than you know.Please don’t be so stupid!!!!How in the fuk do you think an illegal immigrant can get medicare,or welfare or any other help from the Goverment.Can they get a Driver licencse?NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.So,can they get any healthcare?Guess what?NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

By Brown And Proud

April 6, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

“Also they need to learn to speak english”.What the fuk “cc”?Why don’t you better learn how to speak Spanish?I’m not a stupid ignorant,and I know more about illegal people than you know.Please don’t be so stupid!!!!How in the fuk do you think an illegal immigrant can get medicare,or welfare or any other help from the Goverment.Can they get a Driver licencse?NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.So,can they get any healthcare?Guess what?NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

By Brown And Proud

April 6, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this

“Also they need to learn to speak english”.What the fuk “cc”?Why don’t you better learn how to speak Spanish?I’m not a stupid ignorant,and I know more about illegal people than you know.Please don’t be so stupid!!!!How in the fuk do you think an illegal immigrant can get medicare,or welfare or any other help from the Goverment.Can they get a Driver licencse?NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.So,can they get any healthcare?Guess what?NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.