Capitol Ideas

By Glenn

January 13, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this

I’ll tell you who’s right, the guys wanting to throw the illegal bums out of our country. That’s who’s right. I don’t know how you can even ask this stupid question. What part of illegal do you and all your bedwetting buddies at the liberal AJC not understand?

The bedwetting press and dipper wearing liberals have tried to make illegal immigrants a human rights issue. It’s not. This is an issue of national security and my safety. How long do you think it will be before terrorist Muslims enter the U.S. via Mexico as illegal immigrants?

The amount of education has nothing to do with becoming or not becoming a criminal. If you are a criminal, here legally or not, the only difference education will make is at what level you commit the crime…blue collar or white.

We ought to throw your liberal butt out with the illegal. Anyone dumb enough not to know the answer to this question before asking is a candidate for village idiot of the year. Plain and simple, anyone participating in illegal activity should be in jail or deported to their country of origin.

By Anne

January 13, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

It is really sad to see such utter hatefulness in our country. Of course, not suprising since the people supporting this bill are just looking for someone to blame for their own miserable and frustrated lives. What would denying higher education to highly motivated students do? How is THAT affecting your life, other than upsetting you, who probably never recieved an education? Is that what bothers you… Here is an example of what educated people do….my parents immigrated here from South America to try and provide a better life for their children. In 1986, they were provided an opportunity to become citizens and immediately went back to school. They are currently working for OUR government in state agencies as an accountant and nurse.
Interestingly enough, I also went to college and am now applying to medical school - interesting…people who get education can do something with their lives? Finally, do your children get to go to college for free? Because last time I checked, EVERYONE PAYS MONEY FOR THEIR EDUCATION…that means undocumented and documented. SO, who is it causing a burden on, definitely not you! I think that it is unintelligent people like you who need to stop masking your true feelings of racism with words of “terrorism.”

By Beth

January 13, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

This is a stupid question. NO SEND THEM BACK. They are taking over. It is so far out of control. We need to round them up, put them in a truck and ship them back.

By Chad

January 13, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

Tough issue with me, everyone in this country pretty much came here to start new lives, and I try hard to keep that in perspective. Remembering that these people contribute more financially (by far) to our economy than they take is also important (studies have been done to prove this is the case).

However, something doesn’t sit right with me here, I don’t know what it is…..if these illegal immigrants go to school I guess I’m fine with it, they are PAYING FOR A SERVICE, is it illegal for them to pay for a hamburger too? I find it hard to believe that a college educated illegal alien is just ‘a smarter criminal’. If you’re going to be a criminal, why pay all that money to sit in a Sociology class?

But if we start talking about financial aid and scholarships though I think that’s where I’d start to get upset, especially since there’s so many smart, underpriveleged kids here that deserve those opportunities more.

By DRJ

January 13, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

OK…should they be allowed to attend? Sure, we should welcome all individuals that can reach the appropriate scholastic aptitude and can pay the appropriate tuition rate regardless of where they are from.

Now, should they pay in-state tuition…HELL NO! They are not legal residents of this state. Would we allow a person from Tennessee who lived here 2 months before applying to school to get in state tuition? I didn’t think so.

Take a look at the news out of Boston this week. There was a bill in the state house to allow illegal residents to pay in-state tuition at public colleges and universities and it was soundly defeated. We should do the same if one is proposed.

By MELODY

January 13, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

First of all, I don’t think either Glenn or Anne is uneducated. The truth is that only a small part of immigrants are hear for a “better life.” Most of them are here only as a means of making money and milking the system long enough to support themselves and the family they left behind. Many of them even return to where they came from once they’ve managed to save a small fortune. They leave everything behind because that “better life” they tell people they are in search of is really just a cover for the kind of life they would like to have once they return home.

By petrovs

January 13, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

The key word here is “illegal”. Since when does anyone involved in illegal activity have any rights?

By Rick

January 13, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

They are not legal citizens, they should be arrested and deported if they get a traffic ticket, go to a doctor, try to get their kids in school, apply for goverment benefits or apply to a college. Anne, how wonderful that your parents came here and now work for the goverment and thier saleries are paid by working citizens, just a another drain on the tax system

By Roberto

January 13, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

Beth, did you know we all came here illegal. This country belonged to the Indians. So maybe you should be put in a truck and shipped back to where your ancestors came from.

By Mary

January 13, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

Tuition does not cover the full cost of an education. Each student at a state college is heavily subsidized by taxpayers. It’s bad enough my property taxes are going to pay for the public school education of children of illegal aliens, who are by definition criminals. That’s been forced on us by federal judges, who also demand that we foot the bill for their medical care in emergency rooms and health departments. College tuition may be the only place left where legislators have any power to draw the line, at least until some left-wing special interest group files a law suit demanding free college for illegal aliens. Enough is enough.

By kraig

January 13, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

Hell no. We need to send the (ethic slur) out of this country on the rafts they came in on. And we also need to ship the (racial slur) back to africa. No way should they get to attend our universities if they are here illegally…or legally for that matter.

By JP Dubois

January 13, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

I can’t believe what I am hearing. Stupid stupid… I wonder if Beth and Glenn had received a higher education. It seems to me that you guys are jealous due to the fact that undocummented people that are here wanted to better themselves will do it at any cost. Even if it means that money will have to come from their third world countries. You guys are just jealous because they are a lot smarter than your kids, work 1oo times harder than your kids. Your kids has the opportunity handed to them and still they won’t do anything with themselves. I will give you a simple example ( if you go to a doctor office, or government agency, the decision makers, the thinker are usually immigrants that came elsewhere and work their a* off and get to that position. (I never seen a guy name Naynay, Shaquita, Lenquita, Shashay doing anything but steals, kill, robs etc…) check yourself Beth & Glenn before you go ahead post something stupid cause you guys just being laugh at…

By Truth

January 13, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Hey EVERYBODY!

Wake up! It is good for our economy! We live in AMERICA…the GOOD U.S.A. We were ALL immigrants. If the illegal immigrants shell out the money for a higher education, good for us in jobs and economy. IT will prevent oversea jobs. IT will prevent job loss. Now, it is up to our government to weed out known terrorist to prevent them from earning a higher education. Now, are they doing their job or spreading hatred and confusion?

By regularjoe

January 13, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

I believe they should be allowed to attend college. My opinion.

That said, should they be allowed to pay in-state rates? Now that is a stupid question. If you make a citizen or legal resident of the U.S. pay out of state tuition, don’t you think a person who is an illegal alien should?

By Raymond Carl

January 13, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

Georgia taxpayers should not be subsidizing college educations for illegal residents. Even if illegal residents pay in-state tuition, let’s not forget the in-state tuition rate is not the “real� costs of education and that the state pays the difference with our tax dollars.

Today, many people do not seem to realize that illegal residents are here “illegally.� That means they should be deported to their original country and denied any aid by the government. As a son of a legal immigrant, I understand the importance of upholding the legitimacy of the legal immigration system, and supporting anything that aids illegal residents does not seem fair to those who apply to come and live in the U.S legally. Even more preposterous is the trend of state governments to turn a blind eye towards our laws.

By UncleCracker

January 13, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

It seems that JP Dubois didn’t go to school at all after reading his blog and noticing all the errors!!

By Lmay

January 13, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

I do not think “illegal” immigrants should be allowed to attend colleges or universities here. If immigrants are legal ailens in this country they should have the same rights to education as those of us who were born here. And as far as who does it put a burden upon….absolutely every working american or legal working immigrant that pays taxes in this country bare the burden of this education. If they are illegal, they would be applying for financial aid. Some may be able to pay for an education here, but the majority of “illegal” people in this country cannot afford to pay for an education. It is not our responsibility to pay for their education. I have two kids in college now and they do not qualify for federal financial aid, only scholarships because they worked their butts off in school to make good grades or loans which both of them have and will have to repay with interest, because we make too much money…my husband and I together made less than $55,000 last year and we are a family of 5. Where is the justice in that. We have worked since we were out of school and all three of our kids have worked part time jobs since they were 15. NO NO NO, I DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR EDUCATION FOR ‘ILLEGAL’ IMMIGRANTS. GET LEGAL, PAY TAXES AND THEN GET AN EDUCATION.

By Russ

January 13, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

I don’t think anyone has a problem with legal immigrants, Anne. The operative word here is illegal.

And yes, illegal residents do cost citizens money through additional taxes that are necessary to provide services and infrastructure, including educational facilities which, by the way, receive a significant amount of funding from state and federal governments. This means they’re using money from citizens raised through taxes.

And no, having the money to pay for goods and services like education here in the U.S. does not legalize illegal immigrants.

By the way, citizens who prefer—indeed, pay taxes to ensure that—laws to be enforced are not racists. Clearly, our educational system has “underserved” you.

There is no “right” to get into the U.S. by any means necessary whatever the motivation.

By attempting to undermine the legitimacy of legal immigration you spit in the faces of those who follow the process of legal immigration. You know—people like your parents.

By sindy

January 13, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

the key word just like others have mentioned is illegal. why should they be rewarded for sneaking in the country and getting away with it when others have been deported back from to their home countries. NO NO NO

By Mel

January 13, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

Actually, Roberto, that’s not true. The Indian situation is completely different. It’s flawed logic. Civilization is different now. We have a different governmental structure. I am an American citizen, who pays taxes, but receives very little benefit from it myself. I want to help Americans, not people who take advantage of our prosperity. If I wanted to support the illegals and all their children, cousins, etc., I would send the money there.

As for Chad, that’s not true either. It is PROVEN that illegals take more than they provide. They make, as a general rule, very little money. Even if they pay some taxes, they aren’t going to make up for the medical bills, educational bills, etc. that they take. They exploit all the free services they can get.

As for education, I think illegal is illegal is illegal. If they can get into college, they absolutely should pay out of state tuition. It’s only fair to those american citizens who have to pay it.

By Jenn

January 13, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

I agree with what Chad said. Anyone should be allowed to attend the schools, as long as they pay their way. However, the minute it detracts from legal residents getting a fair financial ad package is the minute I have a problem with it. My parents do not make enough money for me to attend college, and even with HOPE, the expenses mount up quickly. I have to save every single penny I earn to pay for my education, so let someone who isn’t in this country legally do the same while paying out of state tuition since they are not technically residents.

By CJ

January 13, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

No…they should not be allowed to attend if they are ILLEGAL! American citizens should not have to pay for them to go to college, or the doctor. It is such crap that many of them come to this country pregnant, and then have their kid so it can be an American…so they get to stay! It would be wonderful if they went through the process to get their citizenship, and LEARN/SPEAK the language! I’m all for anyone who wants to be legalized.

By frank

January 13, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

I know some illegal immigrants and the situation is complex, and the second and third generation will be very productive and they migrate to engineering, scientifif, and business jobs, oh yea its coming and nothing you can do not to stop it. I sit next to them in classes, but the key to solving this issue is to punish the employers so severely, they won’t hire them. If they(illegal immigrants) had no hope of obtaining illegal employment, we would not have this problem. Like typical Americans, we don’t want to go after the real source of the problem, corrupt business people looking for cheap very cheap labor, but now many of the honest business people can’t compete due the the wages paid, and in some cases not paid to these workers. This has happened in this country for years, with the child labor abuse of the late 19th and early 20th century. Oh if they attend a public college, they should not pay in-state tuition. That is a disgrace to the citizens of this country, and to legal immigrants.

By kraig

January 13, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

Are you people insane? How can you support these illegal immigrants. These lesser people already have good enough jobs painting and building houses, picking up trash, and cleaning my hotel room. The (ethnic and racial slurs deleted) need to shipped back to mexico and africa respectively asap!

By UncleCracker

January 13, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Kraig I actually doubt that you would go to Bufurd Highway and say that crap!! Internet Tough Guy=Kraig

By Bob Hartley

January 13, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

NO! We are are a nation of laws. And If it ain’t right, it’s wrong. Illegal immegrants should have NO access to our social service. As your next Democratic State Represenative, I’ll fight to save your tax dollars! www.bobhartley.com

By Gib

January 13, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

I’ve always wondered - if illegal immigrants can disregard U.S. immigration laws and receive the same benefits as citizens and those who followed the rules to come here - obviously it’s OK for them to disregard the immigration laws.

Could someone please list other laws they’re allowed to disregard, or explain why it’s just that one?

By Raymond Carl

January 13, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

I also think any college admissions officer that admits an illegal student without verifying the students right to live in the U.S. should be fined or jailed.

By Jan

January 13, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

I grew up in Arizona, and while we always had a large number of hispanics, the numbers are now unbelievable. However, the signs, books, etc. were still in English, the designated language of this country. I am sorry that conditions in Mexico and South America are not what they are in the United States, but our country is blessed with the hard work and tenacious spirit of many immigrants and all of them were required to enter legally, be sponsored, and speak and write ENGLISH. Does anyone recall seeing directioinal signs or driving manuals written in German, Russian, Italian, French or Polish? Our liberal faction in this country, put in office by fellow citizens, have completely lost sight of why we have immigration laws in place, and it is not to deprive any nationality of an education or medical care. It is to maintain a balance in this country, allowing legal entry for any person willing to work hard enough to become a NATURALIZED citizen. Illegal immigrants simply tax all services for everyone and we, as a country, must stop this illegal activity. This means illegal immigrants should be deported, whether they are students or adults, and obtain entry in the legal manner. My ancestors waited their turn, and I would venture to guess, yours did too.

By Janet

January 13, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

Anne, are you one of those wearing a diaper? If not you should be. I too am an immigrant, I did it the correct way, yes it was a ong process and yes I would have liked to bypass all the red tape, not to mention forms nad sitting waiting for paperwork for hours, but even I understand if you open any countries borders you are inviting in a host of issues, health, economic and criminal.You might have an education but you clearly have no common sense… Let me put this in a way you might understand…. If you have a party and you invite 30 friends, and 10 people you do not know show up because they drove by and saw a party and it looked liked they might get a free drink or two, would you allow them into your house? Serve them drinks and offer them food? Lets say you are stupid enough to allow them in, they then start tearing up your house and fighting with your invited guests…. accouring to you they have a right to be there because it offers them a fum time and you would not want to exclude them? Please grow up and get real! If you really feel there is an injustice, put your money where your mouth is and sponsor or work through an organization that legally brings in young foreigners to study in the USA!!! Last but not least, and in fear of sounding redundant, that is a stupid question!! Every person on this planet does not have the right to live in the USA should they choose to want to!! Sad but true!

By Russ

January 13, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

Go Janet!

By kraig

January 13, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

uncle cracker likes to police other people’s comments because he’s never wrong. lame.

By Jeff

January 13, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

First off Mel, it is unfortunate that you think you pay taxes and hardly get anything from it. I wish that everyone who claims that taxes are too high would be able to live one day in a society with no taxes and see what they miss.

Anyway, why do we get so upset over such issues. I challenge each one of you that has spoke out in hatred towards the people living in this country illegally to meet a family from Mexico, Gautemala, Honduras, or wherever. Come and meet them. Learn their names. Learn their story. Start to believe that they are actually people, and not just scapegoats for our own insecurities. If you do this and still believe what you do, I will at least respect you more, but still disagree with you, which is OK.

Let’s stop hating people so much and try actually loving people. What we will find out is that is will benefit everyone much more than hating people could ever do. Maybe you should take this MLK Weekend to spend time reflecting on the power of love and non-violence can have on a situation. It would be the perfect time to do it.

By UncleCracker

January 13, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

Kraig it seems that I hit a nerve! I call it like I see it, You are a racist piece of (expletive deleted), who wouldn’t venture down Buford Highway saying (ethnic and racial slurs deleted)! (Expletive deleted.)

By kraig

January 13, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

oh yeah, uncle cracker, learn to spell BUFORD HIGHWAY better you moron. maybe you should be the one getting deported for being uneducated. I think a poor little mexican retard is probably smarter than you.

By amanda

January 13, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

no, illegal means just that, you are illegal, therefore not entitled to benefits enjoyed by citizens or legal immigrants. Illegals should not receive benefits; and, if caught, should immediately be returned to their homelands. To do otherwise is a slap to those who went through all the hassles to come here legally. Since schools only have so many places to start with, it also could take away space and money from others who are legal.

If someone truly wants to come here and better themselves, let them do it legally.

By gmehl

January 13, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

I am so sick of seeing my hard earned tax money go to illegal immigrants who have contributed nothing to the pot!! Why should they be able to use our schools, hospitals, etc? That should be the way to find them and deport them! If we aren’t going to do that, forget the whole thing, naturalize everyone and start making them pay for services like the rest of us.

By UncleCracker

January 13, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this

Kraig, go to the corner forthwit you ninny! You bore me with your cowardly internet tough guy act!

By Gil Gibson

January 13, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

My family came here in 1696. We fought in the Revolution and every war since then including the current one. When I applied to college in Georgia, I was charged out-of-state tuition. Don’t compare me to the child of someone who snuck across the border and depends on citizen taxpayers for their every need.

By AD

January 13, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

For those of you in favor of this, which part of illegal do you not understand? Illegal immigration is a crime! Why are you so willing to bend over for the illegal immigrant? Although this is not a fair comparison and I hope this never happens, but would you bend over for the person who killed (remember it’s illegal) a loved one?

A crime is a crime no matter how big or small it might seem to you, me, or the politicians. And each crime carries a penalty(s) which should and needs to be enforced.

Note: Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, “Improper Entry by Alien,” any citizen of any country other than the United States who: • Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or • Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or • Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

As for the terrorist aspect of some of the arguments. What is a terrorist? One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism. And what is terrorism? The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Although some of the Hispanics illegally crossing the boarders do not add up to Al-Qaeda like terrorist? They do none the less add up to be terrorist. Have you driven through portions of Gwinnett lately? Why the graffiti? To intimidate? Intimidate whom? And the methods they are employing to enter this country could and most likely have been exploited by Al-Qaeda to enter this country.

Enough, I sure that everyone understands the point I’m trying to make. So everyone, all together now, “Illegal immigration is a crime.� Higher learning for illegal immigrants is just plain wrong. There are too many worthy Americans and legal immigrants who could benefit from higher learning.

By Jason

January 13, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

You have to understand the situation. Many of these students came to this country with their parents, when they were young. They have grown up in America and to them, they are Americans. For the few, and I mean few, if they spent five years in a public school system and they passed the graduation rate and met the requirements, I see no problem with them attending a state college. If they have lived in Georgia for more than 10 years, then a waiver could be provided for in-state tuition. Again, you are talking about less than a hundred people a year that meet the requirements for college and have the financial means to go to college. These people are some of the hardest working peopel you will ever meet. These are not the one’s that we should be punishing.

The real problem is letting illegals into the country the K-12 school system to begin with. I sympathize with those who came here as a child and went through the system only to be told they need to go back to a country they don’t even recognize to start their adult life. However, schools can not afford teach and feed these kids, not even thinking about the transportation costs. Schools are supposed to reduce drop-out rates, provide ESOL classes, meet individual needs, test and provide special education services when needed, ect…Yet, most of them drop out of school and make more babies, take jobs with illegal identification, and some join the ranks of the criminal justice system, all of which costs the country plenty. Our focus should be correcting the problem in the most dignified way possible as soon as possible.

By raymond carl

January 13, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Hatred? Loving people? What in the world does any of that have to do with the general sentiment here that the state should uphold and respect federal immigration laws.

By Russ

January 13, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Jeff, here’s a few pieces of information for you:

Prior to 1900 here in the U.S. people didn’t pay taxes, state or federal. People wanted to come here then just as much as they do now.

A desire to enforce the law has nothing to do with hate. Hate is merely a word people like you use selectively when the law doesn’t suit you.

By Rebekah

January 13, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

I am a recent college graduate. I believe in the value of an education. Illegal immigrants should be allowed to attend college. However, they should not receive in-state tuition. Further, they should not receive state or federal financial aid; especially the HOPE scholarship. Taking advantage of services in the United States is acceptable, but not paying the price for those services is not.

By nparry

January 13, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

Maybe we should all some “illegals” to get educated in GA state colleges. What with the “natives” getting older, fat and lazy, ever so dependent upon a ever-so-poorer federal govt and all their kids on meth, it makes sense to have some hard-working people with high aspirations to get an education so that they can continue the progress of this great civilization, ensure that scientific and technical research continues and baseball continues as a sport.

By Gringa

January 13, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

I would like to respond to Jan and let her know that English, although the predominant language of the USA, it is NOT the OFFICIAL language of the United States. I cannot believe you have a problem with signs in other languages. My husband, a LEGAL immigrant, appreciates signs in Spanish although he is fluent in English. Have you ever been to another country? I have—to lots. And do you know how many have signs in English. ALL of them! They cater to egotistical “Americans” (don’t get me started on that one…America is the WHOLE continent) who think the world revolves around us. The next time you sit in your home, think about all the immigrants who probably worked for less money than a legal person so that you could afford your house. And do the same when you buy fruits or vegetables or look at pretty landscaping. If you want to kick them all out, expect to pay way more for almost everything!

By kraig

January 13, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Hippy Mentality Alert!!! Let’s save everyone and everything. Immigrants deserve a chance too. Illegal aliens are people too…..SO WHAT!!!! Come to this country legally. Get your citizenship, greencard, etc. and chase the American dream LEGALLY!!! If you can’t enter this country by the rules, then stay in your own country.

By J.T.

January 13, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

Sure, let them go to state colleges, but not on Georgia citizens’ dime. If I wanted to attend a college in another state, I’d have to pay out of state tuition, so why should someone who is from “out of the country” be given the privilege (and the discount is funded by the citizens of the respective state) of a discount?

By anita jones

January 13, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

The question asked is beyond ludicrous. They are criminals and ned to be rounded up and deported. If you need help—-let me know, my truck can fit at least 30 of them. I pay taxes for American citizens benefit. Not for people who SNEAK into our country illegally. Yes, many immigranst came here in the past—99% LEGALY. I despise each and every ILLEGAL alien, man, woman, child. Veterans & American citizens dont get the benefits they need as it is, nothing for CRIMINALS, is what they deserve. GO HOME

By UncleCracker

January 13, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

Kraig, now that’s the spirit! I’m with you on that one. Your comments are better without the vitriol!

By Dick

January 13, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

JEFF; I do not hate illegal people. What I dislike is seeing one walk out of an emergency room/hospital with out a receipt, but before I walk out “Dick, your bill is $399.00”, or when April 15 rolls around the account says “Dick, you need to attach a check to uncle sam for $4,000.00”, or “Dick, property taxes are increasing 30% this year so you need to increase your escrow deposit, or “college tuition is now $2,500.00 per semester”. That Sir, is what I think a lot of people are tired of.

By Scott

January 13, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

The next time you are in front of a Judge ask him why his court allows immigration laws to be ignored? The answers they give are priceless.

By Tired of it

January 13, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

Is anyone aware of how many people ccome to the United States via “Lottery” programs or refugee/asylum programs by well known companies such as Catholic Services, Lutheran Services, etc? That’s JUST Atlanta! Every city had numerous agencies bringing HUNDREDS of people to the US from MANY countries. All people can focus on is “illegal” immigration and the “drain” they think they are on the system, but no one thinks or even know about the people brought over who often do not work due to age or illness. I know of one HIV case personally who was KNOWINGLY brought over as an aslyum case along with her HIV+ baby. Talk about a drain on the system! If I know of one HOW many are there?

What I’m saying is our government allows tons of people to come over and all we do here is target MEXICAN people who come to WORK! I’d rather see them working than think of all the money we pay for people to be on welfare! We go to work and they stay home and have babies on the tax payers backs. Don’t let welfare reform fool you either, there are lots of exeptions and extensions to the new “5” year rule. Focus people!

By Scott

January 13, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

Should illegals be allowed to attend public universities? Yes. Should they pay in-state tuition? Uh, NO! Duh! They should be denied taxpayer funded financial aid and scholarships available to the public as well. It’s a deliberate insult to those immigrants who did things the right(legal) way by applying for sponsorship and jumping through all the hoops necessary to get here. What do you think ILLEGAL means, anyway? In addition to NOT receiving taxpayer funded aid, they should be required to register with INS, get a student visa, and get a legal green card and then be required to go back to their country of origin after graduation - just like any other foreign student!

By Tired of it

January 13, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

Anita Jones, Don’t stroke out on us, really, we need hateful people like you who are willing to lend their vehicles for hateful reasons ;)

By UncleCracker

January 13, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

Is this what my tax lien is paying for? I have been fighting with the IRS about back taxes they say I owe, heck I might as well keep fighting to keep it out of the hands of these dam% liberals, who if they had there way would subsidize anything that is not nailed down!

By bebe

January 13, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

There really has been no decent study explaining whether illegal immigration is bad for this country. Its seems like 50% of lawmakers accept it and 50% dont. Have we ever sat down and considered that about 50% of illegal immigrants (illegal includes out of status and undocumented immigrants) just work and pay taxes that americans use for medicaid, social security and the for the surplus. have you ever considered the business owner/company who owes his/her success to hardworking loyal immigrants (legal or illegal)?Literally this country is a land of immigrants and immigrants have played a part in this country’s success. Have you considered the doctors, statisticians, mathematicians, engineers who work for this country’s government and private sector. A good number of them are immigrants and most were once illegal at some point in their life as an immigrant.How about those immigrant professors, how about the billions of dollars annualy that immigrant students pay in tuition fees, where are 400 000 nurses needed by 2020 going to come from, there is a significant number of people (60 million or so) nearing retirement. where is the social security and medicare going to come from?are they really hurting the economy or we just dont want them around us because they are from another country?are they lower in class than us or what?do they steal or kill or what?are they taking our jobs?I dont think they are taking our jobs because who would want to pick cotton and work a whole array of dangerous and low paying jobs.REALITY is most people who despise illegal immigrants or immigrants are ignorant, racist,lazy, segregationist etc.here is another reality; this country needs these people and soon they will make them legal by giving them work permits so they can harvest the taxes to bail this country out of debt and also to satisfy the growing need of new workers.just watch.if immigrants really make us unhappy let us just train our kids to excel in school and be hard workers to so they wont have to worry about immigrants threatening their livelihood. God Bless America and there is a lot of light at the end of the tunnel for America as always and these immigrants are definetly a part of it despite racists and segregationists. Secret; the more racists and segregationists (like some who commented above)who despise immigrants ,the more succesful the immigrants are and that is a fact because nothing fuels the determination of immigrants more than adversity and being looked down upon.immigrants are illegal not because they killed someone or sell drugs and if this is the case they would have been thrown out of the country, but this is some type of illegal just like it is illegal to talk on your phone whilst driving in other states and not others.

By physicsDawg

January 13, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

But opponents of the bill say a college education could prevent those illegal immigrants from becoming criminals or a burden on taxpayers. Who’s right?

Deporting the f’ers would keep them from becoming a burden to tax payers.

By truth

January 13, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

At first I wasn’t going to comment, but after hearing seeing some of the comments I have to put my 2 cents in. First to the comment that all of us are immigrants. Learn the definition of american citizen and you would not make such a comment. I was born and raised in america therfore an american citizen.. To clear the whole issue up, I have a nice analogy. If someone committs a felony crime, it is illegal and there are consequences for their actions. If you are an illegal you have committed a crime(by being here) and therefore should be punished(sent home or imprisoned). If we would like to start giving illegals rights then we need to give back right that are taken from convicts. It is a known fact you should not prosper from illegal actions. We would like to treat illegals better than we do our own citizens. I would like for any of you to apply government assistance when you hit hard times. You will get a few dollars. These immigrants/illegals are killing public assistance.

By Donna P.

January 13, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

I am totally AGAINST the illegal immigrants and the fact their employers and the Federal Government is doing nothing to stop the situation. If they (the illegals) have the money to go to college then let them pay for it. However, they should not be allowed to participate in the HOPE scholarships, athletic scholarships, etc. They should pay full price and be on the “bottom” of the acceptance lists after legal U.S. citizens.

By Delores

January 13, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

I don’t have a problem with illegals attending Georgia’s colleges; however, I do have a problem with them receiving scholarships and financial aid. If they attend school, they should have to pay for it up front.

By Carrie

January 13, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

I think that anyone who is here illegally should be deported as soon as it is determined that they are illegal. There are proper channels to enter the country legally and it is important for many reasons (population control, terrorism etc) for us to know who is coming into out country and to be able to control it.

However, this may cause some heartache for everyone when these rules are enforced. For example, a month or so ago there was a story of a little girl who was being deported even though her father is a citizen. Her mother illegally brought her into the country so, by law, she needed to be deported and go through the legal channels to come here. I hate to do it and it is a hard thing to do when you know the circumstances, but I do think we need to uphold the rules in EVERY situation or change the rules for everyone.

By Carrie

January 13, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

I also think we should use increases in sales taxes instead of property taxes to fund education because everyone would be forced to support the system instead of just those of us who own property.

By Sharon

January 13, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

Illegal is illegal. If it is so important to the individual to get their education, then do it the right way like thousands of immigrants. There is nothing wrong with people immigrating to this great country, there is plenty to share here. To put someone who won’t take the time and effort to go through the legal process on the same level with someone who worked for the privledge is just wrong. We don’t give privledges to our young when they do something wrong, it doesn’t teach them to act right the next time. Why give someone a privledge when they have committed a crime? It’s not what country they come from or how they managed to get to this country but what process they followed. I would venture to guess that most of the illegals come here to work at jobs where income tax is not withheld out of their pay, they live in homes where they are stacked on top of each other to save money to send home. Why give them driver license? So they can get car insurance? Hello!, they committed a crime to get here, you really think they are going to start living legally and get insurance? That would take away from the money they are sending home! Watch a Western Union office and see how much money people send to their families back home. Where are they putting money into our economy? This is also a good argument for a national sales tax. When you have people living the way illegals live, if they are not going to pay income tax through their employer, then make them pay it at the cash register! No, illegals should not be given any of the rights and privledges that persons earned by going through the proper proceedures have or rights and privledges U.S. born citizens have!

By Anika

January 13, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

As much as I would like to be sensitive on this issue, I just can’t. While I understand that this nation was founded on the idealology that anyone can come to America and make a better living for themselves, if you’re arrive here ILLEGALY, why should you be allowed to attend an in state university and pay in state tuition? I don’t think so.

As a current university student, with rising tuitions and fees, its hard enough to afford school and find the classes that I need to graduate. And, now, the legislature wants to consider allowing illegal immigrants access to state universities? To those who don’t pay taxes, have a Social Security number or any form of documentation? I must’ve missed something in government class in high school.

The reality is simple: We are the only country in the world that accepts people here legally or illegally. I’m pretty sure that if an AMERICAN were in another foreign country ILLEGALY, I doubt very highly they would as hospitable as we’ve become.

By AD

January 13, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

Gringa - True English is not the official language of the U.S. But do you see any other culture besides the Hispanic culture that is being catered too? Press “1” For English “2” For Spanish. I have yet to hear Press “3â€? For Korean, Japanese, Italian, etc.

I’ve traveled the world too and agree English is on many signs. They cater to American and European business/leisure travelers to ensure that they feel at home. But once you get away from the major cities, you had better be prepared to read and speak the local the language. But we are not talking about the business/leisure traveler. We are talking about people who have made the decision to immigrate here illegally and don’t bother to learn the language of the country they chose to live in. But you are mixing business/leisure travel with a decision to immigrant (either legally or illegally). Is it wrong to ask them to learn to communicate with us? Instead of them expecting us to learn to communicate with them? It was only last month that I was at a PTA meeting and a parent asked the teacher if she spoke Spanish (in English I might add). When the teacher replied “no�, she was appalled and requested a translator. Sidebar, she began speaking (complaining) with another parent, in Spanish, that the teacher should know Spanish if they are going to teach her child. And you call Americans egotistical.

Jason – I agree the problem does begin at the K-12 level. Not only is this one of the many places where illegal’s can be identified. There is no true reporting mechanism in place for schools to do so. It’s really a shame. Not only is that a shame, it’s also frustrating that we cannot send the children home until they learn English as was the case during the massive immigration through Ellis Island. So the teacher is at a disadvantage of talking to the student. And the student is at a disadvantage of talking to the teacher. In some cases the results are embarrassing for the student. Try asking to go to the bathroom or even where the bathroom is if you don’t speak English. You can only imagine the results.

By Steve

January 13, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

The REPUBLICANS will never address the real cause of the probelm which is illegals entering country because all those workers keep wages down. Big business will lobby for it. If there ever is a guest worker program every factory in America will relocate to the southern border and the prevailing wage will be 5.15/hr. By the way, there is an election in NOVEMBER!!!!

By physicsDawg

January 13, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

I’ve only read the comments up to 11:55 AM, and several things are very clear to me:
1. people like kraig are racist scum, and there is a huge difference between those here legally and those illegally. It seemed to me that Ann’s parents immigrated legally from S America, and they are the “poster children” of why legal immigration is good for our country.

2. Public college is subsidized by taxpayer money. No amount of Tuition can cover the fact that they are stealing Taxpayer money! Sorry, no way around it.

Let me say that I have a Bachelors Degree, since that seems to matter in this debate.

I say if they are here legally, treat them as any natural born citizen: A) If they are here only to attend school: i.e If their Visa/documentation has to do with attending college, then they pay out of state Tuition. B) If they have been here for a while, working, etc., and have established residency in that states, then they pay Resident Tuition.
Doesn’t it seem simple?

By Jack

January 13, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

NO!!!

By Elizabeth

January 13, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this

Here’s how I look at it: Most countries have laws about visiting, entering, staying (longterm and short term) and working in a country (visa). That’s just how it is. If a foreigner wants to get an education in the U.S. they should have to follow the laws the same way that an American would have to follow if he or she wanted to study abroad. So to answer your question: if someone is an illegal immegrant, no they should not be able to attend public colleges or universities, unless they apply for a student visa. I would expect the government in other countries to abide by similar rules and to stick to them.

By Tired of it

January 13, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

Yes ;)

By Jeffrey

January 13, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

I started to read the different answers to this ridiculous question and I realized that I don’t need to read them. The answer is no they should not be able to attend college here nor should they be allowed to pay in-state tuition for that matter. Yes we may have all been immigrants at one time however I know my family went through the proper channels to gain citizenship. Anybody that comes over here without going through these channels should be deported right back to their country. I don’t care the color of your skin for that fact! Another thing that bothers me is bringing in these children from other countries and giving them free operations. There are children and families who are suffering and they get forgotten about while a baby from Iraq is given thousands of dollars in free operations. How about taking that money and helping those people who are homeless or who are struggling in poverty. I don’t have any children however I don’t mind that my money is going to pay for the education system or those that need the help because I have been blessed with what I have now.

To Bebe: Have you ever considered those illegal immigrants that work and get paid under the table by these business owners that you speak about? You can be guaranteed those people are not reporting their pay to the IRS or the Social Security Administration. I can just about guarantee that amount is more than 50%. Sure they do jobs that most people would not want to do however if you want to live in this country then go through the proper channels. Just want to work here for a little while and then go back to Mexico or wherever. Then go through the proper channels.

This country is built on immigrants and this country has vast channels where someone can come and be in this country legally. So those who are here illegally I say go home no matter where that home is.

By Claude

January 13, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

NO!please! this is pathetic

By Rich

January 13, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

The in state vs out of state tuition is not the issue, in my opinion.

I cannont accept an illegal immigrant using or consuming anything that is as finite as college enrollment. Remember, there are many people waiting for a chance to enroll in school, only a few get to go. I cannot count the number of classes I missed because it was filled long before I tried to register for it.

Losing out to someone who is not legally supposed to be here in the first place is just flat out wrong.

By Karl

January 13, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

Let them enroll and once they are identified as illegal deport them. How assinine to ask legal taxpaying residents to subsidize criminal activity. If someone was wanted for murder should the schools just enroll them and educate them? of course not! They should and most likely would notify the proper authorities immediately.

By Carrie

January 13, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

I think the free surgery for baby Noor had more to do with boosting morale etc for our soldiers than it did for giving out free operations. If it gives our soldiers joy while they are fighting in Iraq then I am all for it. Just my two cents on that debate.

By Tim

January 13, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

I have no problem with Immigrants going to college. Did youhear me I said Immigrant, not ILLEGAL. YOu want to come to this country for a better life FINE! Do it like Millions have in the past the legal way. Get here legal, add to America, go to college, get your degree, and pay your Student Loans like I have for the past 9 years Pal! And one more thing for those of you who are so concerned for these people I’ll be glad to send you there medical bills next time.

By Sick and tired of it

January 13, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

I am so sick and tired of it illegal means illegal. They sit on the corners taking work from people who need it they don’t pay taxes, and we support them, it is time something is done deport all of them out of here do not give them anymore. There are people who are true Americans and we get no help or housing or college handed to use no we have to pay taxes and work for it. When do we stand up and say enough is enough. This is America I am tired of us having to learn Spanish but they do not have to learn English. Give me a break.

By Carol

January 13, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Illegal immigrants come to the US for jobs. They bring their children. We, in the collective sense, take advantage of the low wages (average about $300 a week), winking when we see the illegal building our house or condo, or we hire someone we suspect to mow our lawn or work as our nanny. We eat in restaurants and stay in hotels that employ illegal waiters and dishwashers. We are happy to pay less, but then we want to punish the poor people that are doing our back breaking work. Use them, but do not educate their children. If you want illegals to go home, call your legislator and let them know you want felony level laws for employers that fail to check social security numbers (there is a free government site to do this), knowingly hiring illegals because they can then offer us a cheaper house, cheaper restaurant meal, etc. If there are no jobs, the illegals will leave. Just be prepared to pay the price.

By Jeffrey

January 13, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

To Carrie: I agree with giving the soldiers morale. I will admit in front of everybody that I would never want to join the military. That is not for me. I definitely support what the soldiers are doing and am so proud of all of them. If you want to give morale to the soldiers that we as a country need to support them and be there for them when they need help as well. Not be fighting against the leaders of this country. To me that shows a lack of respect for the people who are putting their lives on the line to make ours better. Of course that’s a horse of another color for another debate totally! I stand FIRM when I say help out the Americans and Legal immigrants before we help anyone else no matter what it is.

By Carrie

January 13, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

Carol- you have made a good point that there will be consequences to the economy. We may need to change the rules or laws to accomodate them, but as long as it is illegal we should enforce the rules. This is also why I think we should use sales taxes to support education etc so everyone foots the bill and not just property owners.

By physicsDawg

January 13, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

The cost of getting our food & houses cheaper will wash out in the end, after our taxes go much farther to help legal citizens.

By Deb

January 13, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

NO!!! ABSOLUTELY NOT on both counts. They shouldn’t be allowed to go to state schools at all if they can’t be bothered with going through the process to be here legally. Illegal immigrants are only taking advantage of whatever they can get while they are here. I have a tremendous amount of respect for LEGAL immigrants who come here, learn the English language, and work hard to educate and better themselves. I would never hire an illegal immigrant to cut my grass or clean my house. I have my hair cut by a LEGAL immigrant. My nails are done by LEGAL immigrants. And in our house, if we can’t afford to have something done by someone who is a legal resident, we either do it ourselves or it doesn’t get done.

By jeff

January 13, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

OF COURSE THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO ATTEND. THEY DON’T PAY TAXES!!! DID EVERYONE HIT THEIR HEADS REALLY HARD. IM NOT TRYING TO HOLD THEM BACK AND KEEP THEM FROM BECOMING EDUCATED, IM JUST SICK AND TIRED OF PAYING FOR IT. I WILL HAVE PAY TAXES MY WHOLE LIFE AND TRY TO HELP MY CHILDREN AFFORD COLLEDGE, BUT THESE PEOPLE WHO DONT PAY SHOULD GET ALL OF THE SAME BENIFITS AS THOSE OF US WHO ACTUALLY DO CONTRIBUTE TO THE TAX SYSTEM WHICH PAYS FOR SCHOOLS, ROADS, WELFARE, AND OTHER SERVICES THESE PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WITHOUT CONTRIBUTING.

IF YOU REALLY THING THAT THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO ATTEND THEN MAYBEE YOU SHOULD FUND THEIR EDUCATION, PAY THEIR UNPAID HOSPITAL BILLS, AND FUND THEIR RETIREMENT OUT OF YOUR OWN POCKET AND NOT MINE.

By John

January 13, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

Of course they should be permitted to attend college. The benefits of illegal immigrants far outweigh the small cost. Society is better off with an educated work force. We should encourage and possibly even require these individuals to attend college. I don’t understand the racist and prejudiced attitude of those who want to get rid of Hispanics simply because they look different.

By physicsDawg

January 13, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

Regarding medical care & little children:
I think we should help those that show up at hospitals in need, especially children. And, the Hipocratic oath says (paraphrase)”Do no harm. Help all” I believe it is a sin not to help those we see in need, as Jesus says.
That makes it all the more important to address the issue at the border, not once they get to college, or to the hospital!
I don’t think Jesus is physically in the USA. And he wasn’t speaking to the US Border Patrol when he said: “Let the little children come unto me”!

By Glenn

January 13, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

Went to play golf and got rained out. Man, is it nasty out there. First, I have an MBA from UGA, class of 91 (all financed and being paid back with interest…the legal way). Second, Anne, I couldn’t care less about how you or your parents arrived in the U.S. and that’s not the point of this conversation. The debate is: should we as law abiding citizens turn our heads while people who currently are in violation of U.S. law attend our institutions of higher learning.

Now that the debate has been reframed (boy did Anne get off on the wrong track) the only answer is very simple: Hell no, to quote one of the other bloggers. We cannot take a passive position and allow people to violate our laws and take advantage of our colleges, all of which are taxpayer and privately subsidized. It would be as if we invited Sadam’s grandchildren for a free education. Have a great weekend!

By bob

January 13, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

they broke the law get,n here.send them back so my son can get an education and i dont have to pay for theirs to

By gapeach

January 13, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

John,

Who says we want to get rid of them. I personally dont care. I just want them to pay taxes before they try to use our services. I work on Buford Hwy. and I can tell you almost all of them use our services wether its WIC, Food Stamps, Welfare, Medicaid our resources are being drained by people not even born here but keep poping out kids like its a sporting event!!!! Then on top of that we should give them a education that havent contributed I dont think so!!!!!!!!!!

By kristen

January 13, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

The only way illegal immigrants should be allowed to to go to state universities is if they pay out of state tuition. They should also not be able to be considered for the Hope scholarship because they are not actual US citizens.

By Mendoza

January 13, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

Some of you all are just ignorant. Maybe we can allow the Mexicans to come in and get the education that evidentely Glenn and a couple of others didn’t get and hopefully one day Glenn and the likes of him would be seeking employment with one of the educated Mexicans. You think you are pure blooded American? Your ancestors were not pure blooded Ameridcans either. Unless you are American Indian, you, your parents, grand, great grand, and all those who came here and struggled, so you could open your ignorant mouth and spew such verbal vomit. Ignorant Ignorant Ignorant. They are not here to take our jobs, half of y’all don’t want to work. Guess what my nationality is. Guess who became a citizen 2 years ago. Guess who holds a damned good job, making fine money, with a great establishment. That’s right….Mendoza

By Lee

January 13, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

NO, plain and simple! Why should my hard earned tax dollars be used to support illegals? I think that we can find much better uses for the tax dollars.

We already have to support their children. When an illegal has a child in the US that child becomes a citizen, then the child is eligible for govt support and parents then usually do not get deported.

By Sara

January 13, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

From reading these posts, it is obvious that many of the responders (who apparently are here legally and can go to college with no legal barriers) need to take the opportunity to obtain a college education since most of them can’t spell or write proper English.

By Sick of it

January 13, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

Lets see…I pay a ton of taxes to pay for illegal immigrants to go to school already, pay for their medical care, my higher insurance rates because they don’t have car insurance when they get in wrecks and now I may have to pay for their higher education so they can take away our degree reqired jobs too?

By Other Mark

January 13, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

Quick story - I was a Georgia resident and taxpayer throughout my Army career, regardless where I was living in the world. Just before my son started college in Georgia, I retired from the military and therefore, had to change my legal residence to the state where I lived. After 25 years of paying Georgia taxes, my son was now assessed out-of-state tuition.

However, in appealing the decision, I found that not only are ILLEGAL residents allowed in-state fees by Georgia schools, foreign EXCHANGE STUDENTS are also given in-state tuition!!

I don’t care if they attend, but they have to pay the going rate and it has to be based on their legal status. As another post already said, the tuition doesn’t pay the whole bill anyway. So why should the state taxpayers subsidize someone’s education that is here illegally in the first place?

By Carrie

January 13, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

John-I don’t feel that I am racist at all. I am not against immigrants from any country who come here legally. I have seen how difficult it has been for people to get there green cards and jump through hoops to stay in this country and I celebrated with them when they finally got their greencards/citizenship. If we want to change the rules and laws then we should, but we have to enforce the laws we have on the books until that is done.

By Illegal and what??

January 13, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

I believe that students should be able to attend college. I’m ILLEGAL!, and i don’t live off your money thank you very much. I attend college, and i pay out of state tuition. What some of you ignorant people don’t know is that illegal people do pay TAXES! yes people ILLEGAL PEOPLE PAY TAXES! So please get informed before you start talking nonsense. It’s not my fault that some people don’t aim for success and would rather go to college to party and get drunk everyday, and not take advantage of what is offered to them. Mommy and Daddy don’t support me. And homeless people don’t make me feel sorry for them, my dad came here without any money and now he’s making more than the regular full time 9-5pm employees. It’s not our fault that some American people like to sit around all day waiting for someone to give them a silver plate. Another thing, we only come here for a job, to have food and shelter. Where in your mind do you think we have enough money to buy bombs? , if we’re struggling to feed our families! We don’t go shooting up schools because we are angry ‘cus nobody loves us. Boohoo hoo! We don’t kill our parents, when we don’t get what we want! and, we are not selfish people. Two weeks ago this white poor woman asked me for a dollar, guess what? i gave her 5! I’m sure she has a social security, while i don’t! She was in her thirties, with two hands and two feet that’s so pathetic now that i think about it i should’ve given her 10! lol Poor Americans that don’t know how to strive for a better life. If your all wining about us going back, i wonder what you guys are gonna do when no one is there to build your home, keep your veggies clean at the farmers market, wash your car, clean your house, and take care of your poorly mannered kids. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

By sadoslave

January 13, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

Illegal is illegal. They are criminals and should be treated as such. Deport or jail.

By TIRED OF IT

January 13, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

THIS IS STUPID. NO PLEASE SEND THEM BACK, THEY ARE USING UP OUR SYSTEM. THEY TRYING TO TAKE OVER.

By Debbie

January 13, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

Amen, Glenn and right on. Illegal is illegal. They put a burden on tax payers. They can follow the procedure to get in this country. It burns me up that they are rewarded for breaking the law. I have a friend from Romania. Her sister actually is going through legal means to come to this country. When she gets here, she will teach. She is able to give back to the country. Not get government aid and healthcare. She is having a hard time getting in and it is disgusting to see people just walk over the border from Mexico or Canada. I really get sick and tired of people that support illegal immigration trying to make it a racist issue. Since when is being against something illegal a racist issue. These advocates use the racist word to try to discourage people from speaking out on the issue. No one wants to be labeled as racist, but this will not work on this issue. There illegal immigrants from locations other than hispanic countries.

By SWC

January 13, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

No. I can’t believe that this idea is even seriously discussed. There is one incentive to prevent some illegals from entering however, and that is to not automatically confer citizenship to children of illegals. This is the big contributor to rising healthcare, school costs, taxes et cetera.

Why don’t we just let more immigrants in legally?

And don’t blame the Republicans. Ted Kennedy is the one who started this mess in the Sixties when they decided that we needed to open up our borders to all sorts of cultures who have no intention of assimilating into our culture. And groups like La Raza are just off the chart with pro-immigration extremism.

What does Baby Noor have to do with this topic? I am really lost on this one, and also object to the idea that it was just to make the troops feel good, a particularly curmudgeonly and inaccurate analysis of the facts. A kind and selfless Douglasville area soldier found her and contacted his Methodist Church who arranged for her to get a free operation. Sure this made the soldiers and church members and doctors and much of America feel good (as well it should) but it has absolutely nothing to do with immigration for xsakes!

By gapeach207

January 13, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

Mr. Illegal,

Let me inform you of something first of all I am not repeat not white so get that out of your mind. Second studies show that most Mexican that do file tax grossly underestimate there income cause they are paid under the table. So talk what you know before you open your mouth. Lastly, if yall was to leave the TRUE Americans could find a job with out fear of people fired cause yall will work for peanuts!!!!!

By Chad

January 13, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

Mel,

See the movie “A Day Without A Mexican”, it gets into more detail than simply the government costs of illegal immigrants. They’re taking advantage of a lot of things, yes, no argument here, but they aren’t eating loose pavement and bark for dinner either. The trickle down effect of the money spent by these illegal immigrants on their expenses ultimately exceeds what they take advantage of by being here. The model I saw was for California only, but the point is the same, it’s not just simply government losses when there’s some substantial spending going on.

Anyway I am seeing some pretty convincing arguments about them not attending school, especially if tuition isn’t all that it costs for an illegal to go to school. IF it really does costs additional taxpayer dollars I’m a little more uncomfortable. Maybe these colleges should charge a tuition for illegals that exceeds the normal tuition then to off-set the taxes paid to fund a UGA or wherever.

By physicsDawg

January 13, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Mendoza: Ignorant Ignorant Ignorant. Get a Law book and “Un-Ignorant” yourself. And, thank you for becoming a legal citizen 2 years ago! That means you are not the subject of this debate. But, you need to pick a better side. Doesn’t all the trouble you went through to become a citizen make you angry at those who screw the system and now are living under a roof you provide?

By rickdent

January 13, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

I think Carlos Campos is an illegal.

By Steve

January 13, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

For all of you idiots who actually support allowing illegal aliens to use our University System…KEEP THIS IN MIND…

The average state appropriation for a student attending a USG research institution (The research universities are Georgia State, Georgia Tech, UGA, and the Medical College of Georgia) is over $11,000 per year.

By maria

January 13, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

boy! never seen such racism all crammed up at once. Right….. have those “illegal immigrants” do the jobs that you won’t do. Aren’t you the one hiring the “immigrant’s” to serve your meal when you go out the very expensive restuarant, or hmmm, to mow your lovely green lawn, or maybe to clean your million dollar house. Well I am a “legal citizen of the good U.S. and I also work for an agency who assist with government funds. Most of my client’s are “legals” who are looking for public benefits and has never worked a day of there life, not the “immigrants”. Most of the “immigrants” are not being supported by the government but are contributing with there work. So the next time you think of your hard earned tax money, think about the good “legal u.s. citizens” that are sucking up the system. yup, sometimes they are your neighbors, or maybe your friends. I also applaud Anne and her family for prospering and working for the government not living off of it. As for you Rick, it doesn’t sound like you made it to college yourself, or even high school for that matter. “thier” and “saleries” heard of the webster’s dictionary? try it, it may be helpful.

By Glenn

January 13, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

Mendoza, I don’t have a problem with legal immigrants entering the U.S. much like my ancestors. Let me see if I can explain so you understand. The words illegal immigrant means that a person resides in the United States while in violation of our country’s law. See, that’s not supposed to happen. So, to grant these individuals the privilege of a higher education would be to support and encourage this behavior. That’s what we are not in favor of.

Since you brought up Mexicans, let me say that many provide lots of services that Americans, like my self utilize. They’ve filled a much needed void in the landscaping, auto cleaning, restaurant and construction industries. However, these individuals should also be subject to the American laws that require a person to register with the government and seek permission to remain in the United States. We do this for various reasons which include screening terrorists like the ones who destroyed the World Congress Center.

Hopefully you are able to read this without the need for a translator and have a better understanding of how our country works. Adios - Glenn

By Illegal so what??

January 13, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Well GArotten peach, I’m glad your not white! It would be so sad because you can’t even spell. So so sad, i guess i made my point! Maybe when i finish school i can become a teacher, and teach you how to spell. Us illegals are moving on up huh?? LOL yeh well get your research right Mr. And well guess what?? Any illegal person can find a job, yes we can get fire. But guess what?? right around the corner there’s another one for us.

By Chad

January 13, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

I also really like hearing opinions here from illegals, non-illegals, everyone, sort of a shame that some people can’t be respectful. Also, the term ‘criminal’ is pretty strong, and may be accurate, but an illegal immigrant trying to make their life better shouldn’t in any way be lumped in with a rapist or someone who wants to harm others.

As for the illegals here, I don’t know your story but if you are here for a better life for you and your family I wish you the best.

By SUSPICIOUS

January 13, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

I LIVE IN AN AREA THAT HAS HOUSING BEING TOTALLY BUILT BY THE ASSUMED ILLEGAL ALIENS, ALSO SEE THEM HOPING INTO VEHICLES OF PEOPLE WHO WANT THEIR SERVICES OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROADS ARE THEY SKILLED LABORS, I DON’T KNOW BUT WHAT IT HAS DONE FOR THE ECONOMY? IT HAS TAKEN SKILLED UNIONED LABORS SUCH AS MASONS, CARPENTERS AND PAINTERS OUT OF THE MARKET AND HAS MADE IT SO CALLED $6.00 HOUR JOB. IT HASN’T MADE THE HOUSING INDUSTRY CHEAPER IN MY AREA NOR HAS IT YOURS . SO WHAT GOOD IS IT THEN, WHO PROFITS? THERE IS A PROCESS FOR LEGAL ENTRY INTO THE U.S.A AND SEE NO ISSUE IF THEY BRING THERE FAMILIES AND SEND THEM FOR A HIGHER EDUCATION ETC, ITS THE ILLEGAL ALIENS THAT WE SUPPLY HEALTHCARE AND ALTERNATE SUPPORT THAT WE ALL PAY FOR. IN THE LONG RUN, I CANT STAND SEEING THEM TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL OF US AND NOT TAKE A STAND FOR WHAT’S RIGHT OR WRONG WITHOUT BEING CALLED PREDJUDICE. I FOR ONE CAN’T STAND TO BE JUST STARED AT WHILE SHOPPING IN WAL-MART AND NOT A PLEASANT NOD OF THE HEAD FROM ANY OF THE PAC THEY STAND IN.

By former-anti-immigrant

January 13, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

I was pretty much against the hispanics, legal or otherwise for awhile…I live near Buford highway and my inborn predjudice was constantly working against me, but now I say let ‘em come, and let ‘em go to school. And one more thing about the immigrants (i.e., hispanics) taking our jobs…many hispanics aren’t hired just because they take low wages, most of them are hired because they work their a$$ off and actually show up to do a job. I had some work done on my house and the contractor sent over two useless white guys that showed up at the crack of noon, then went to lunch, and finally ended up actually working maybe an hour a day. They did such a crappy job that I had to have it all torn down. A mexican contractor (yes he is legal, I asked) came over with his crew the next day at 8:00 am, worked all day and finished the project and the quality was was excellent. These immigrants actually have a work ethic, I say let them come and send all the lazy Americans to Mexico. By the way, I’m a white southern man in his 40s.

By Debbie

January 13, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

Mendoza, Go ahead and call names. It won’t work to silence people on this issue. I think there should be stiffer penalties and jail time for employers that knowingly hire illegals and for people in this country illegally. If you don’t think they are not a burden to tax payers then go to any health department or to any school. Schools have to take time and money to teach english to illegals. That time and money could go elsewhere to assist students int the country legally.

By Justin

January 13, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

The question was illegal immigrants. Not legal ones. If they are legal then fine, but illegal immigrants get them out of here. We have kids with a hard enough time getting into colleges, much less giving illegal immigrants grants because they are a minority.

By Mel

January 13, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

oh here we go….now it’s racist. we will all shut up from shame if someone pulls out the race card. we should just keep our heads down and not say anything, we should just pay, pay, pay….it’s what we’re programmed to do out fear of being called a racist.

Maybe, John, it’s not racist. LEGAL immigrants are welcome. We make room for them, of all races and backgrounds. maybe it’s not wanting to feel taken advantage of. Maybe I don’t want to pay for them. Oh, and there ARE studies about cause and effect/price v. value of cheap illegal labor. Let me say this CLEARLY. THEY COST MORE THAN THEY BENEFIT. The math is not that hard for anyone with a brain to figure out. Try just the court system, for example. The health system is breaking over it, too. racist, my behind.

By Chad

January 13, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

If you’re getting a skilled tradesman for six bucks an hour I want to know where! I have never heard of anyone doing anything under the table for under $15.

The system is the system, and if I can re-tile my kitchen for $15/hour with illegals (and everyone I’ve hired to do stuff for me has worked their tails off) instead of hiring a lazier American who isn’t as ‘hungry’ to do good work for someone at twice the rate, I’m going to do it. Would I favor an American for the same price and the same effort? Of course, but that’s not the case.

By gapeach207

January 13, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

Mr Illegal,

Rotton Peach thats all you got. Tell you what go back to the mud hut you lived in the first place and then talk to me. I have a education a very good one that I worked for I didnt have to do anything aginst the law to do it either. I have never had to ask for anything. I have done it myself. I work two jobs and in the process of getting my masters and I am a single mother. So next time talk what you know. OH and believe me with my education (something that you are not going to be able to get) I can always get a job. Black female 27!!!!

By BILL

January 13, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

I LIVE IN AN AREA THAT HAS HOUSING BEING TOTALLY BUILT BY THE ASSUMED ILLEGAL ALIENS, ALSO SEE THEM HOPING INTO VEHICLES OF PEOPLE WHO WANT THEIR SERVICES OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROADS ARE THEY SKILLED LABORS, I DON’T KNOW BUT WHAT IT HAS DONE FOR THE ECONOMY? IT HAS TAKEN SKILLED UNIONED LABORS SUCH AS MASONS, CARPENTERS AND PAINTERS OUT OF THE MARKET AND HAS MADE IT SO CALLED $6.00 HOUR JOB. IT HASN’T MADE THE HOUSING INDUSTRY CHEAPER IN MY AREA NOR HAS IT YOURS . SO WHAT GOOD IS IT THEN, WHO PROFITS? THERE IS A PROCESS FOR LEGAL ENTRY INTO THE U.S.A AND SEE NO ISSUE IF THEY BRING THERE FAMILIES AND SEND THEM FOR A HIGHER EDUCATION ETC, ITS THE ILLEGAL ALIENS THAT WE SUPPLY HEALTHCARE AND ALTERNATE SUPPORT THAT WE ALL PAY FOR. IN THE LONG RUN, I CANT STAND SEEING THEM TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL OF US AND NOT TAKE A STAND FOR WHAT’S RIGHT OR WRONG WITHOUT BEING CALLED PREDJUDICE. I FOR ONE CAN’T STAND TO BE JUST STARED AT WHILE SHOPPING IN WAL-MART AND NOT A PLEASANT NOD OF THE HEAD FROM ANY OF THE PAC THEY STAND IN.

By Ted

January 13, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

Anne’s argument is the stock response of the “progressive” party - there should be no borders and anyone who can make it across should have all of the rights of citizens; and Chad’s argument would make sense of we had some form of consumption tax instead of an income tax. His argument fails when it is understood that a vast majority of the illegals are low skill and are working in a strictly cash environment, where their labors are not reported and no taxes are withheld.

On the subject of education, no state tax revenues should be expended to provide educational services to those who are illegally here and - in the majority of situations - not contributing to the tax digest. If they with a higher education, then they should be required to cover the entire cost themselves; and under no circumstances, should their enrollment exclude a citizens ability to attend that school.

By Illegal and what??

January 13, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

JUSTIN, Well it’s not my fault that your kids don’t have the grades to earn scholarships and get in to school. So what you want us to throw a pitty party for you and your kids??

By Rick

January 13, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

What we have to remember here is the operative word “illegal”. Most illegal immigrants work as day workers or “off the books”. They do not pay taxes, yet they overburden our schools with their kids, demanding language classes and other special services. School districts are set up to support a certain number of children per household, yet they are forced to deal with 4 and 5 times that number due to multi-family immigrants taking over the apartments in that area. Allowing illegals to attend state universities would only spread the problem that we have in our public schools. 30% of the taxpayers paying for 100% of the population

By Billie

January 13, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

Should illegal immigrants be allowed access to the goods and services I and other taxpaying citizens have paid for? In a word, NO. Duh.

By Brad

January 13, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

When I read headline of this blog, I cannot even believe that we are having a debate. Once Illegal Immigrants are discovered to be ‘Illegal Immigrants’, they should be reported to immigration officials and deported if necessary. They should not be allowed to receive benefits for breaking the law. They definitely should not be permitted to study here and receive ‘in state’ tuition rates, which I have heard is provided. Many international students go through many painful processes to study here legally, and they get no perks for doing so. If they insist on providing the education to illegal immigrants, they should not pay ‘in state’ tuition, they should not pay ‘out of state’ tuition, they should pay ‘out of country’ tuition. This entire subject is totally absurd

By Dee

January 13, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

I agree with Frank, to an extent. We need to focus our attention on those corrupt businesses that hire illegals just to save a few dollars. For instance, home improvement giant, Home Depot, uses illegal workers constantly here in Georgia, Florida and California, but would never admit it publicly. If there was no demand for illegal, cheap labor, the attraction to come here would decrease.

By Larry

January 13, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

I think we should have that lying Sonny Perdue invite all those elegal imagrents over the his house and let him and that fat Mark Taylor deal withe them all. I have had it and I am sick and tired of thiem living of my tax moneys and useing our hospitals. Like the good book says - an eye for ane eye.

By Joseph

January 13, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

Illegal immigrants attending college in the US? What part of ILLEGAL don’t some of us understand!?

By Jeff

January 13, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

When the illegals start getting more rights…it’s time to boot them out

By Carol

January 13, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

Medicaid is usually limited to citizens and certain legal residents. The only exception is in life threatening medical emergencies (trauma, delivery,). Medicaid pays, on a case by case basis, after care is delivered. The retroactive eligibility is limited, since Jan. 1, 2006, to 30 days. (Had been 90 days.) If you would like the facts, google Georgia Department of Community Health, Medicaid eligibility. Go to the site & read the eligibility criteria. I believe that IF we need to import workers, we should have a workers program. If we do not, there should be punitive measures for employers who hire them. No jobs, illegals go home. I believe we should continue to pay for Emergency Medicaid Assistance. What is the alternative? Let folks die in the street?

By Carl Sears

January 13, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

Interesting question. How about should coke users be able to shoot up during class at college? Probably not being its illegal to begin with. No. Illegals should be deported. Maybe cut a leg off if they come back again.

By Chad

January 13, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

Fact: we can’t round up every single illegal in this country and send them home.

Fact: They are always going to be here, and to say ‘ship them out’ doesn’t work.

Is it right? No, but it’s what we as Americans (or legal residents I should say)have to deal with living in a country that provides so much opportunity.

Everybody cheats something everyday. Americans cheat on stuff and take advantage of the system too, just on other things. I DO! That being the case, would you prefer that the illegals here are forced to work for low wages under the table, and be pushed down so much they get to the point that they DO commit crimes, or would you prefer that they pay an ‘enhanced’ college tuition and be given the opportunity to contribute the right way to our society?

They’re not going away people, so get over that. Knowing that’s the case, what’s the best solution? There’s a fine line here, I know, this will increase the numbers here by providing benefits. Building a system that makes illegals do the right things the right way (since they’re here anyway) is how we solve this.

By carl sears

January 13, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

One more thing. The very fact that this is a topic proves that the argument “they are just here for jobs no one else wants is pure b******. You dont need a college education to dig ‘taters’ or pick ‘maters’.

By Michael H. Smith

January 13, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

Illegal aliens should be deported not tolerated and supported.

By Bill

January 13, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

You guys are funny, OK is there any illegals reading this that can uplift us on this subject!

By Larry

January 13, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

I agree with carl. nobody needs an education to do the jobs those people do.

By LWA

January 13, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

The answer is NO. Illegals (lets not even talk about the definition of the word) have receieved enough govn’t (state and federal) aid up until this point (free education and health benefits). Let’s stop it right here and now. If an illegal wants to attend college as a in state student, they should seek and received their citizenship first. They are of legal age (18) at the time of graduation. So, they don’t need their parents authorization, etc.

A group of California students are suing the Cal. system regulating colleges b/c there is a federal law that states that illegal immigrants can’t be given right that are not given to US citizens. So, if an illegal can pay in state tuition, then so can any (in or out of state) US citizen. Sounds fair to me.

By Alex Wong

January 13, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

They should NOT be allowed to attend state colleges. First, what they are doing is illegal. Second, they are not paying taxes so why should they go to state schools. This is unfair to state residents who pay taxes and support the colleges. It is bad enough that the Supreme Court requires states to allow illegals to attend grade school. Why should they get a free ride for college? If they go to state schools they should pay out of state tuition.

By Illegal and what??

January 13, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

Dear Carl Sears,

You are so ignorant. I can’t belive you express yourself about people like that. Well you know what? Atleast those “illegals” are smart enough to get a job, instead of begging around on the streets like those homeless Americans walking around down town.

By Bill

January 13, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

OK EVERBODY SING! ‘ROUND EM UP, MOVE EM OUT - RAWHIDE……

WE CAN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THEM UNTIL WE GET SOMEONE IN OFFICE THAT HAS A SET. REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT WE HAVE FAILED AND THIS IS WHAT THE BEGINNING LOOKS LIKE. I WAS RAISED IN MIAMI ALL MY LIFE.. WAKE UP

By Donna

January 13, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Just when you think the AJC can’t get any dumber!

This has nothing to do with rights, race, education, bigotry, etc or for that mattter who lived in the United States first of last.

This is about laws and obeying them.

If you are not here legal, then you do not have “rights” to attend a state college or any college for that matter, you should be deported. If you want to be here, get your visa, get your citizenship, get your “whatever you want” but do so legally.

The issue of “in state” or “out of state” tuition is a matter of residence. HOW in the world can you justify “in state” tuition when you do not have a legal GA address. What an insult to legal students who come from other states that pay the “out of state” tuition!!!!!

By Feed-Up

January 13, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

NO, NO, NO. Why should my hard earned tax dollars be used to support illegals? I think that we can find much better uses for the tax dollars. Let’s send some of our to college free or at a reduce rate. I would love to send my grandkids for free, but as a taxpayer, I have to pay for them to attend a good college or university.

By Brad

January 13, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

From www.dictionary.com:

il·le·gal adj. Prohibited by law. Prohibited by official rules: an illegal pass in football. Unacceptable to or not performable by a computer: an illegal operation.

n. An illegal immigrant.

By Brad

January 13, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

To clarify further:

2 entries found for prohibited. pro·hib·it . pro·hib·it·ed, pro·hib·it·ing, pro·hib·its To forbid by authority: Smoking is prohibited in most theaters. See Synonyms at forbid. To prevent; preclude: Modesty prohibits me from saying what happened.

By ILLEGAL AND WHAT???

January 13, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

I believe that students should be able to attend college. I’m ILLEGAL!, and i don’t live off your money thank you very much. I attend college, and i pay out of state tuition. What some of you ignorant people don’t know is that illegal people do pay TAXES! yes people ILLEGAL PEOPLE PAY TAXES! So please get informed before you start talking nonsense. It’s not my fault that some people don’t aim for success and would rather go to college to party and get drunk everyday, and not take advantage of what is offered to them. Mommy and Daddy don’t support me. And homeless people don’t make me feel sorry for them, my dad came here without any money and now he’s making more than the regular full time 9-5pm employees. It’s not our fault that some American people like to sit around all day waiting for someone to give them a silver plate. Another thing, we only come here for a job, to have food and shelter. Where in your mind do you think we have enough money to buy bombs? , if we’re struggling to feed our families! We don’t go shooting up schools because we are angry ‘cus nobody loves us. Boohoo hoo! We don’t kill our parents, when we don’t get what we want! and, we are not selfish people. Two weeks ago this white poor woman asked me for a dollar, guess what? i gave her 5! I’m sure she has a social security, while i don’t! She was in her thirties, with two hands and two feet that’s so pathetic now that i think about it i should’ve given her 10! lol Poor Americans that don’t know how to strive for a better life. If your all wining about us going back, i wonder what you guys are gonna do when no one is there to build your home, keep your veggies clean at the farmers market, wash your car, clean your house, and take care of your poorly mannered kids. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

By LWA

January 13, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

Illegal and what,

How can an illegal person pay taxes? I thought you had to have a SSN?

Now that you are here and are being educated in our country, have you considered becoming a legal citizen? You are benefiting from our educational system as well as other “benefits” of being here in America.

Thanks.

By Fred Jones

January 13, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

How utterly stupid that this question even comes up. There is only one rational response from a government that values law and order. Illegals should be apprehended and deported. If there is a need to reform immigration rules, then let’s do it. But allowing and rewarding law-breakers is not the solution.

By Jorge Ferrer

January 13, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

Sure, why don’t we keep bending over for our guests. Everyday we are changing stuff around to accommodate these illegals. We are changing instructions, signs, paperwork from English only, to English and Spanish. Signs everywhere, Se Habla Espanol, great, but last I checked we are in America, not in Mexico. If these people want to keep coming in here, then they damn well better do legally, pay taxes, and put back into the community that you are using to better your situation. Remember people, the more we change our ways to accommodate, the more people will just expect it. there is no limit to the demands they put on us. One day, there will be signs in the windows that read, We Speak English. And for all of you people that are so embracing of them, and think I am a bastard for thinking the way I do, just wait until you are done embracing them, and you wallet is missing, and your daughter is knocked up and comes out brown. Then show me your compassion.

By Sandy

January 13, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

There is process for obtaining legal entry into the United States and its shame that it can’t be followed. The price of illegal immigration effects us all, i.e. higher taxes(education, welfare), higher health care premiums, homeland security. Why should my taxes go to support someone who is living under the radar and obtaining all the benefits of living in this country for free. Oh, and Chad, they won’t pay for their tuition. YOU and I will when we send our children to college. Lets reward illegal immigrants by education them. Wonderful idea..Get Real. The whole subject makes me sick.

By justin

January 13, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

to illegal and what, thanks but with 4 children, it is still hard putting them all through college. You wouldn’t say that if you had children. Because you obviouly don’t know the expenses other than just tuition that occurs when a child leaves for college. Do take your liberal views and you know where you can stick it.

By justin

January 13, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

to illegal and what, thanks but with 4 children, it is still hard putting them all through college. You wouldn’t say that if you had children. Because you obviouly don’t know the expenses other than just tuition that occurs when a child leaves for college. So take your liberal views and you know where you can stick it.

By Marshall

January 13, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

For the most part we are speaking about children, young people who have spent several years in the U.S., illegally because their parents brought them here. It’s quite a stretch to brand them as lawbreakers. Many of them are becoming Americanized, certainly more than their parents, and, like it or not, this is home to them.

As angry and bigoted as many of the bloggers are it is pretty clear that there isn’t the means or politcal will on either end of the polictical spectrum in this country either to successfully close the border (a physical impossibility) or repatriate these people.

The question then is, do you want to raise a generation of poorly educated, marginalized Hispanics, liable to turn to drugs and crime, or would you rather have them educated, able to function in the mainstream and integrated into society?

By ILLEGAL and WHAT??

January 13, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

LWA! Um…well no. I’m sorry, but i have one and i don’t need a ssn. Alot of people don’t have a social, but still pay taxes! My whole family is illegal and we ALL pay taxes!

By PBJ

January 13, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

To say again, the key word here is ILLEGAL. I have no problem with immigrants entering the country LEGALLY national security aside for the moment. But, for the life of me, I cannot understand how someone sneaking into the country can expect the same benefits as someone who went through the proper procedure. I also cannot understand the people who think we should. Analogy: If my kid did something illegal I would expect him/her to be punished for it, not rewarded.

It is the immigration laws that need to be addressed or changed. Not give a free pass and rewards to those that abuse the system. Illegal is still illegal.

Secondly, for those that keep saying we are all immigrants. Yes, BUT… initially when we were founded there were no laws and as we became a country we created those laws. Remember Ellis Island?

Having worked in financial aid in a University, it was very frustrating for me to award financial to “legal” aliens (who were not yet citizens - but had been in this country for 14+ years and didn’t bother to become one) but yet deny U.S. citizens that same aid. I believe if you want the benefits provided to the legal citizens of a country, you need to become a citizen of that country.

By Bill

January 13, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

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By Mendoza

January 13, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

Glenn..Glenn..Glenn..You just love to hear yourself talk. I can tell. I know alot more than you know about this whole topic. I can afford a translator, but today, I don’t need one. How do you think your ancestors got to the United States of America…I guarantee they were either brought here forcefully, or found a way to come here to build hopes and dreams for the likes of you. Sad. Anyway, you sound very angry and resentful. You might want to see someone for that. I am well aware of the laws of this land. You, and people with your attitude show the rest of the world that racism, in any form, will never end. Never. Be afraid, be very afraid, because you can be replaced by a hard working, educated illegal immigrant who will (if there is a God) marry your sister, or your daughter, so they can gain legal status in this country. Then hire you, so you can afford to repay the mountain of debt you are presently in. Golf on big dawg.

By IILEGAL and What???

January 13, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

Justin, I’m sorry you have four children, and can’t afford their expenses. You should’ve thought about it before you had them. Maybe take a few luxuries you can’t afford and start saving. As for me I PAY OUT OF STATE TUITION, and i have a FULL TIME JOB to pay for it on my own!

By Brad

January 13, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

Responding to Marshall’s comment:

The question then is, do you want to raise a generation of poorly educated, marginalized Hispanics, liable to turn to drugs and crime, or would you rather have them educated, able to function in the mainstream and integrated into society?

Of course I dont want them to turn to drugs and crime and I would rather them be educated. But what about all the others who come here from: China, Japan, Korea, India, Pakistan, Europe, and Africa. Why do they have to pay for visas, pay out of state tuition, be forced to work on campus. It is simply unfair to the others that follow the rules. Why should they even have rules?

By Sandy

January 13, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

Always playing the race card. I could careless if you’re Hispanic, Scandinavian, Asian, or whatever. The point is “illegal” immigration is illegal regardless of your national origin, sexual preference, race, etc. If you are here without your citizenship papers, then you should be deported.

By Randy

January 13, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

What does illegal mean ? It means you should not be here. They would keep “Americans” that want to go to school out of the state colleges and Universities. Sen. Chip Rogers (R-Woodstock), if he wants reelected, should put the bill back in to keep the illegals out of this country. Remember 9.11.2001 ?

By Justin

January 13, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

You want to defend yourself, well you talk it over the internet, the truth is I would slap you if you ever said that to my face. Once again wait till you have children, or hopefully you will get knocked up and need government assistance because you can’t afford it alone. Be thankful we haven’t deported you or your hardworking family back to you country yet.

By Mel

January 13, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

illegal and what, I seriously hope you are just here to rile people up, because you are so full of it. There are lazy Americans, there are lazy non-Americans, including illegals. I see it everyday. No one’s buying it, so get the chip off your shoulder. If you are really here illegally, you are taking more than you give. Period. You SHOULD pay out-of-state tuition. And given your attitude, you have no dream of being an AMERICAN, so why should we want you?

Everyone, just ignore this person. they have nothing useful or truthful to say.

By Chad

January 13, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

Sandy,

Let’s be clear here, I’m fine with them paying full tuition (or probably more for state schools), I’m not in favor of scholarships for them. I think you mis-read my post.

As for the taxes thing, sales taxes are taxes, and illegals do buy things like food and clothes I have heard…..

And for the guy who is worried about non-English speaking people taking over the world…..get over the stereotypes grow up a little. America’s a melting pot, and Spanish is one of the most widely spoken languages in the world. A world of a bunch of white Americans who all speak english (myself being one) is boring.

By Other Mark

January 13, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

Marshall, you left out part of your question.

“The question then is, do you want to raise a generation of poorly educated, marginalized Hispanics, liable to turn to drugs and crime, or would you rather”… pay your own tax dollars to “…have them educated, able to function in the mainstream and integrated into society?”

It’s a simple question and answer when there are not any financial factors to consider, but unfortunately, there are! We don’t have the luxury to bring in everyone that wants to come to America, feed them, clothe them, medicate them, and educate them.

We’ve got to draw a line somewhere and most here are saying we draw the line at LEGAL. If they are legal, take care of them and welcome them. If not, send them back to their own country.

By Jimmy

January 13, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

Keyword: Illegal!!! I feel sorry for those who spend time and money to be Legal when you can enjoy all the benefits of America Illegaly -

By Dane

January 13, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

I can’t believe we are even asking this question.

By ILLEGAL and WHAT???

January 13, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

Justin, Because you have family, you should be able to understand what it’s like to have to work hard to feed your family. What would you do if you had no money, you saw your children crying, no food, no nothing. If you had a chance to move to another country for your family you wouldn’t do it?? You wold cross your arms and watch them die, or would you move to work hard and earn money to feed your family. I’m arguing against paying out of state i mean we are here illegally, but i disagree in that they shouldn’t have a chance. I think as long as we have money to pay we should be permitted to attend.

By Debbie

January 13, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

This is why my husband and I are scraping by so that we can send our child to a private college. It costs a lot but it’s worth it and there are no illegals attending the college because nobody will give them a free ride at this school. This is my son’s reward for having to attend the Gwinnett County Public Schools.

By Debbie

January 13, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

I urge all you that oppose illegal immigration to contact Eric Johnstone and Gov. Perdue’s office and tell them to stop being cowards about passing legislation to help curb the illegal immigration problem just because it is an election year. That is why Chip had to withdraw his bill because it did not have enough support to pass. The pro illegal immigration makes their voice heard. It is high time the anti illegal immigration voters make their voice heard. I am all for legal immigration. As far as building homes, landscaping, etc, there are millions from countries like India, Pakistan, Africa that would love to come to our country and work for the same wages the hispanic workers do. It is racist to believe that workers from Mexico and South America should be given preference over these other countries.

By ILLEGAL and What?

January 13, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

Mel, Yeah your right, i have nothing to offer. The only thing i can offer is my opinion. Everything i say about me is true. Honestly i am in process of becoming legal, but some people think it’s so easy. Well let me tell you something Mel, it’s very hard. Trust me if i do become legal and finish college with my out-of-state tuition fee,i will give alot more to America than some Americans do. One more thing, i might not be helping America, but atleast i’m not making it worse by going around committing crimes.

By George

January 13, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

if you are illegal, you are by definition, a criminal.

By john

January 13, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!! IF YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALLY THEN GET THE THEM THE HELL OUT OF DODGE,THEY ARE TAKING OVER THIS COUNTRY AND ALL THE JOBS THATWE AMERICANS COULD HAVE, THEY ARE THE CAUSE FOR HIGHER TAXES IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS BECAUSE OR SCHOOLS ARE OVER POPULATED AS IT IS SO WE AMERICANS ARE HAVING TO PAY MORE BECAUSE SCHOOLS ARE HAVING TO GET MORE TRAILERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT!! ALL THAT WE ASK IS THAT YOU COME HERE LEGALLY HOW HARD IS THAT, IF YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALLY YOU ARE THE CAUSE OF HALF THE NATIONS PROBLEM AT THIS POINT. PLEASE GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE AND COME BACK WHEN YOU ARE LEGAL, WE ARE HERE LEGALLY AND HAVE THE PROPER PAPERWORK WHY SHOULD YOU BE ALLOWED HERE WITHOUT IT, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE THINKING THAT THEY CAN JUST COME AND GO AS THEY PLEASE AND BRING THEIR ENTIRE FAMILY AND OVER POPULATE OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS? THE NATION HAS ENOUGH TO WORRY ABOUT WITHOUT HAVING TO DEAL WITH THESE PEOPLE BEING ILLEGAL, GET OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By GPB

January 13, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this

if you are illegal, you are, by definition, a criminal

By CHW

January 13, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this

if you are illegal, you are, by definition, a criminal

By Tony

January 13, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

It is sad that this issue is so divisive. I came here when I was ten years old, and was indocumented (illegal for some of you) for a period of time. In fact, we had an order of deportation for my family. Fortunately, my mother met a US citizen and got married, thereby conferring legal status on our family. What most people on this blog fail to understand is that our diversity makes us better. I can say that I have contributed to this country (by way of taxes and otherwise) a whole lot more than this country ever did for me. In fact, last year I paid almost one half of a million dollars in taxes!! Now, I don’t mind paying taxes, because things work very well in this country, but I get very frustrated at the vituperance of the argument against undocumented aliens. Those individual pay income taxes, yet they do not get refunds because they do not file. They pay property taxes, whether they rent or own. They pay sales taxes on everything they buy. To suggest that undocumented aliens only take from this country is inaccurate and divisive. I agree we need to fix our immigration laws, but condemming those here is neither constructive, nor fair.

By Brenda Arbuckle

January 13, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

Why should illegal aliens have privaleges that those born in the US and especially other minoritories don’t have. When each of my five children applied to colleges (public and private)they were required to provide proof of legal citizenship and residency. In addition I was required to provide the same.

Of further note, when my ancestors (African’s) were brought to this country and state as slaves they weren’t given anything and had to learn English secretly.

Aliens (legal and illegal) come to this country and immediately qualify for every freebie available while the working class “Americans” can’t even get a real helping hand during layoffs, downsizing, or distasters such as Katrina.

By Carrie

January 13, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

This truly may show my own ignorance, but how do renters pay property taxes?

By CHW

January 13, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

I take issue with Tony’s comments above:

“I can say that I have contributed to this country (by way of taxes and otherwise) a whole lot more than this country ever did for me.”

You are to be commended and congratulated on your financial success, however, “this country” provided the capitalistic society that was the platform for your success.

By Chad

January 13, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

I suppose they mean that renters pay rent, owners of the building pay property taxes? That’s the only thing I can think of, but it doesn’t make complete sense to me.

By LARRY

January 13, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

ENOUGH!!!!! IF ALL OF THE ILLEGALS WANTED TO GO TO SCHOOL, WHAT DO WE DO?? IF THEY ALL WANT TO GO TO THE HOSPITALS, DRIVE , OPEN BANK ACCOUNTS, VOTE, WHAT DO WE DO PEOPLE!!! I’M AS LIBERAL AS THEY COME BUT WHEN DOES IT STOP??? AND GUESS WHO WOULD PAY FOR ALL OF THE ABOVE.DON’T KNOW? GO LOOK IN THE MIRROR. ENOUGH SAID.

By Steve

January 13, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Illegal means unlawful. Illegal aliens should not be allowed to attend schools or colleges or have healthcare provided until they have performed the proper criteria to become legal. Deport or jail all Illegal Aliens!!!

By MarkP

January 13, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

It seems like we’re talking about excluding the wrong people. The “illegal bums” we’re talking about throwing out overwhelmingly arrived here as children, and are guaranteed access to education by federal statute. If they’re able to gain acceptance to state or private universities, despite the challenges they’ve faced, with academic credentials that exceed those of local “legals” who are turned away, maybe we should start requiring everyone to prove their worthiness to stay here. For Glenn and his like-minded Phillistines, who likely owe their own citizenship to the same pattern of imported labor allowed to enter the country during liberal times, guess what? Barring immigrants from schools doesn’t mean they’ll leave, and you’ll be left with even more to complain about.

By SAM

January 13, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

ILLEGAL IS JUST THAT, ILLEGAL! I know that if I could have a better life some where else, I’d do it too. However, I’d do it legally and wouldn’t expect handouts and freebies. Heck, illegal immigrants don’t have to expect it, our society/government offers it to them. I also must say that I agree with the other comment about safety. Are we going to be safe if we continue to do as we have done in the past. 911 should tell you the answer to that. I, for one, am tired of the “illegal” status as being overlooked. You can bet if I do something illegal in American or any other country, I’m going to be held accountable! Crossing our borders without proper authorization and documentation IS ILLEGAL! What about that does the government not get!

By Brad Evans

January 13, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

If you are illegal, you are a criminal by definition of the law. Get out and stay the hell out. If you had played by the rules, you would be afforded this right. But you did not.

By Susan

January 13, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

I have been a volunteer with refugees for the past five years - refugees that are here legally through resettlement by the State Department and hold an I94 visa or green card. I have spent countless hours proving to Georgia Perimeter College that these young people have been residents of Georgia for anywhere from one to five years. They are usually designated as out of state though they have never lived in any other state. They have to provide a myriad of documents to be changed to an instate student. The burden of proof is on the prospective student to prove they have lived in Georgia more than one year. Somehow this makes very little sense.

By RFSOsInRevolt

January 16, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this

Chip Rogers doesn’t have time to deal with illegal immigrants and he surely can’t be concerned about the cost. He is too busy sponsoring legislation (SB 377) that will undoubtedly cause more crime and will require Georgians to spend billions to support it (yes, billions, not millions).

The immoral, illegal portion of the legislation is the part that bans Registered Former SEX OFFENDERS (RFSOs) in Georgia from living and working in populated areas. The residences and employment of Registrants who are on probation or parole can easily and automatically be controlled by the officer supervising them. No law is needed for that. The law is ONLY needed so the legislators can retroactively go back and add more punishment to people whom have already fully completed their legal sentences. This is illegal and anti-American. They intend to contact people who completed their sentences years ago, force the family from their home, force the Registrant from his job, and then if the Registrant can’t find a suitable home in the country, arrest the Registrant for being homeless (which the same also makes a crime).

The ban itself is ONE HUGE LIE. There are NO EXPERTS who think it is a good idea. The introduction to this BLOG said that opponents of Rogers’ bill “say a college education could prevent those illegal immigrants from becoming criminals or a burden on taxpayers.” A college education?!! How about a stable place to live and stable employment, never mind a college education?!!! These factors have been conclusively linked as factors contributing to sexual offenses. So while a SEX OFFENDER ban sounds all wonderful, it does NOTHING AT ALL to hinder sexual offenses but constantly exacerbates most of the main factors that lead to sexual offenses. And all the while it costs a fortune. That’s brilliant public policy. But of course the real intent is to get cheap votes. Find out more here: Don’t believe the lies.

By V for Vendetta

January 17, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

Illegals should be shipped back. Watch out America, it didn’t take Rome that long to fall after the downward spiral began.

By Harvey

January 18, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Illegals immigrants should not be allowed to attend any college or university in the United States nor should illegals immigrants off springs who are borned in the US should be allow to become citzens of the US. Take a drive down Buford Hwy tell me what do you see; At least 2 out of every 3 woman are expecting child. The reason: Once the child is born they become a citzen of the US. This is a law must be change. I also think that a law should be passed to let local police stop illegals and check for pass ports or documents that allows one from south of the border to be in this country legal if not within the next 10 years we will all be speaking Spanish. Illegals come to american and work for cheat wages, 15 or more move in one house which causes property to go down. Tell me when is enough is enough. If I go to Mexico without a pass port and extend my stay, will I be treated the same way we treat the Mexican who hightale it across the border to the US for an exteded stay.

By CLM

January 19, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

If these people are in this country illegally, then they are already criminals. I don’t believe the taxpayers money should be spent educating people who enter this county illegally. Why don’t we just have signs at our borders “Come in illegally— your consequences will be a free education and free medical care.” What a detergent!!! What a joke!!!

By michelle

January 23, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

you know what i think i might do? renounce my US citizenship. yep, that’s right. take everything you have on me and rip it up…i don’t want to be “american” anymore.

instead what i’m going to do is move to mexico. take all my cash and assets and cash them all in for all the pesos i can get and become a mexican.

THEN i’m going to sneak over the texan border (hopefully i get sick or break something) and head to the nearest hospital. no wait…i’m going to get pregnant and THEN come over!!

man what a plan!

oh yeah, NO. NO they shouldn’t be allowed to do ANYTHING in this country unless they are prepared to do it legally. hmmph.

By Saulter

January 25, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

Illegal should mean just that illegal. If I illegal park, I am ticketed If I illegal enter MARTA, I am arrested

Illegals should be made to start the process of becoming legal - legally. Advoid unncessary problems - DO THE RIGHT THING.

By JohS

January 25, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

Some scattered reactions to what I’ve read on this forum:

(1) Lots of racism on this forum. (2) Illegals get community services for being poor; citizens get services for being poor. (3) The Quota Act of 1921 required national/country quotas to prevent the US from become “over run� with Southern and Eastern Europeans. This Act is still in force and is the basis for legal or not. Thank goodness my in-laws cleared Ellis Island before 1921! (4) Mexico is a poor country that has more people than it can afford. Many of its poor come here. Don’t like it? Tell Mr. Bush and the State Department to stop making nice with the Mexican government until it provides more opportunities for its own – if it can. (5) Mexicans plucking chicken feathers or humping bundles of roofing shingles are (a) doing jobs many of us don’t want and (b) not a security threat to any of is. (6) Citizens sale and use drugs, also. (7) Learn English???? Puhleeze!!!! I hear enough English from cell phone conversations carried on by rude citizens. (8) ESOL – get rid of it. (9) College attendance – out of state tuition. (10) Arrest and fine employers that hire illegals for work that you and I wouldn’t touch! (11) Illegal workers keep agricultural products affordable for most of us. (12) Immigration of any kind contributes to the continued population growth of our country. Zero population growth does not support economic growth. (13) Immigrants don’t come here to get free health care; they come for jobs, for economic security, and for asylum. Visit other countries and get off the tour bus. You’ll return with a different perspective on what it’s like to live elsewhere.

By Neighbor

January 25, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

Romans 12:3 Matthew 7:12 Luke 6:31 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 1 John 4:8

By David

January 26, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

Januray 26, 2006 David-