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DEL.ICIO.USiHate iTunes
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Geekboy does not exercise, unless typing qualifies as sport, which, if it did, my glistening and sleek shift pinkies would clearly power the U.S. to office Olympic gold medal glory.
As you can tell by the last sentence, I have been watching the Winter Games while drinking and slogging my way through pay-for-play music download sites.
Today’s victim? Apple’s iTunes.
You will notice my vitriol tapers off as your read this column — I blame the Buckwheat Zydeco music I am listening to and the wine, Red Bicyclette, which iSelected only because the label had a cute dog chasing some beret-wearing fellow on a bike stealing bread. Or perhaps that’s his dog? Life is full of mysteries.
One of life’s largest mysteries is the popularity of iTunes.
iTunes is largely retarded, but lets you burn CDs of what you download. That is the good news. The bad news is the CDs don’t work.
iTried burning a CD a second time and iTunes crashed. iThink the iTunes CD burning software is junk.
The problem with iTunes is it is owned by Apple, and they are more worried about being cool than being good. Take the name iTunes for instance. Unbeknownst to most, the “i” in everything Apple tries to offload on a genuflecting public stands for “Internet.”
It’s enough to make you wonder why an Internet Portable Device, aka iPod, can’t access the Internet.
Maybe the “i” can now stand for Intel?
iTunes supports Windows and, of course, Macs. iTested on a PC because Macs are computers for girls.
The download is 35megs. It downloaded quickly, so quickly I had to do it again because the file was corrupt.
As usual, iTunes tried to become the default media player on my system. I avoided this by deselecting the proper boxes during the install process.
After a successful install, iTunes, in classic English as a second language jargon, proudly beamed, “With iTunes installed now it’s a snap to access and download the music you wanted.”
Someone should iFix that.
iTunes looks nice, but only plays 30-second clips of songs, not the whole song like every other service iTried.
There are no Lets Active tunes available. Bummer.
Individual songs are 99 cents each, the most expensive I have seen.
I have to create an account at the iTunes music store, so humbly submit my credit card info. I download the 12-song album “Life’s Rich Pageant” by R.E.M. for $9.99 in less than 3 minutes. That’s about 84 cents per track.
The files appear in an iTunes folder created in the My Documents folder. The files are M4P (not MP4) format, meaning they will not play in WinAmp. M4P is a proprietary Apple format designed to prevent burning of CDs. From what I can gather it is merely a “protected� form of Apple’s ACC sound file format.
What protects it?
iSprang into Geekboy mode, nearly tripping on my cape.
A header is typically text information at the beginning, or head, of a file which tells the computer what to expect when reading the remainder of the file. It can also be used to lie to the computer, and thus prevent a file from being burned to a CD.
If you are up for a little hack, open an M4P file in Notepad and check it out. You will have to tell Notepad to look for “all files” not just text files, and you will have to wait a few minutes while your computer tries to parse the binary data, but eventually you should see something that looks like a screen full of garbage. iSuggest expanding Notepad as big as you can first.
As you will see, the header info contains YOUR NAME and potentially other personal information! Have I mentioned iHate Apple?
I couldn’t burn the songs using Nero, I got the usual DRM, or digital rights media, error.
If you just want to find music and download it, iTunes does the job and allegedly lets you burn CDs for your car. I could never produce a properly functioning CD, but your mileage may vary.
If the CD had worked, and if Apple had not infused my name and who knows what other information into the file headers of my music, I would probably give them a better review. But instead iWill tell you to stay away. This Apple is rotten.
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By Mark
February 23, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
iThink you are an iDiot. iHave owned 2 iPods and they are great devices. iThink iTunes is the best online music retailer. Fast downloads, free 30 second preview, podcasts, tv shows, videocasts…. need iGo on?
iHave never had any trouble running the software on my non-Mac computer. iAssume you are just another Apple hater who is the iHate bandwagon.
By Taylor
February 23, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
It makes you wonder how in the world these pay sites can keep users when the services do not work correctly.
I liked the good old days. When a program was a installed, it didn’t try to be your default “everything” player/viewer.
By Kitty
February 23, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
I have got to con—- ‘scuse me. iHave got to concur with GeekBoy on this one. iHave loaded MANY of my CD collection onto iTunes (the library function or whatnot), and then downloaded some songs, added some songs from different CDs, some sound bytes (comedy sketches, etc) and THEN tried to make ONE CD for my car listening pleasure…. SURVEY SAYS (X!!!) (<— that was the “X” and errrrrr sound from “Family Fued”, BTW). So APPARENTLY you cannot COMPILE your OWN collection and then RE-COMPILE and make a ROCKIN good CD of your own for your own listening pleasure. WHAT THE HECK GOOD IS THAT THEN? Why would iHave my ENTIRE music collection put into a “library” so that iCan compile whatever iWant onto my own playlists if iCan’t make one lousy CD from different playlists?!?!? YES, iWant Bon Jovi and Ludacis and Ron White on ONE CD!! Why can iTunes not have told me BEFORE iWasted so much time putting all this in “MYâ€? library if iCan’t make a compilation of MY digital media? HUH? ANYONE??? Thanks for the vent session, Geekboy!
By darkbrowngirl
February 23, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this
i was in buckhead this morning…saw the geekboy store on the corner of peachtree and paces ferry…thought about you…
By Michael
February 23, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this
I have the same same problem with burning CD’s for vehicular use, though it’s inconsistent. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t, and what may work well in a portable CD player, may still not work properly in the car. For instance, I just burned Madonna’s, “Confessions on a dance Floor”. It works fine when I play it on my iMac or in any of my CD players in the house, but won’t play properly in the car. Perhaps there’s something about car players that’s the problem??? Even if that’s the case, it would be nice if Apple could find a way around it. BTW, I HATE the meager 30 second sound clips too. I want to hear the entire product before I purchase!
By d
February 23, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this
you folks that can’t work itunes are just not that bright. here’s an idea, get a cassette put it into your high-tech cassette player and press play. that might solve all your problems.
By Thomas
February 23, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this
It seems odd to me that a terrifically intuitive and user-friendly application would cause such great consternation. I’ve used iTunes for years, and I’ve never had the first problem with the program, nor have I longed for a feature that it did not provide. Perhaps it is intended for all of us “non-geeks” out there (Who’ve nearly downloaded one billion songs BTW) who simply want a digital jukebox that the average five year old could figure out how to create custom burnable CD’s from instead of a riddle of programs and patches. I dunno.
By Bob
February 23, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this
How odd. We have a Mac and a PC in our home. We’ve never had any problems with iTunes for Mac or Windows burning a CD of music bought on the music store or compiling that music with other songs we put on our computer(s).
By matt
February 23, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this
I’ve used iTunes for 3 years. Never once has it crashed. All CD’s I have burned have worked perfectly. All this blog entry tells me is that you don’t have to be competent to write “a super duper tech help blog”.
By karaokebus
February 23, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this
I’ve never had problems with iTunes crashing or being unable to burn CDs; but I DO agree whole-heartedly with geekboy regarding Apple’s bogus, proprietary, protected file type garbage. When I first started using iTunes (v. 5.x), I used a nifty freeware tool called JHymn to “unlock” the files & convert them to .mp3. Unfortunately, I made the mistake of letting iTunes upgrade itself to version 6.x, which JHymn doesn’t yet support. So now I’m stuck converting files the old-fashioned way — burning to CDRWs, then ripping .mp3s from there.
By karaokebus
February 23, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this
I should probably also note that I really don’t use iTunes for anything other than purchasing music. I don’t use iTunes’ library and I don’t even burn CDs for any purpose other than having a means of then ripping mp3s of the music I purchased, so I guess I can’t really speak to the compatibility of iTunes-burned discs.
If you’re looking for a good music library organizer, Creative Labs has a really good organizer that they ship with most of their digital music products. I use it with my wireless music server & I LOVE it.
By taz
February 23, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this
i’ve been using iTunes for about a year now. have downloaded several hundred songs, and uploaded dozens of my CD’s. have made numerous CD’s mixing the two together..works perfect every time. i’m ok with the 30 second clips, as i’m usually just making sure i’ve got the right song to download. i can’t imagine why you have so much trouble with it…unless you’ve geeked around with your PC so much to “maximize it” that iTunes doesn’t work properly now?
By bill
February 23, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this
Odd. I have used Itunes for several years on a PC and it works fine. I have found that Memorex blank CDs work fine in the car when others do not - don’t know why. However that’s not an Itunes issue. I have found I have to leave my computer alone while burning as opening any other program will cause skip errors on the CD (and that’s with a 2 gighertz centrino). You can create mix CD’s of your favorite songs. All you do is create playlists of your favorite songs and then burn that playlist to a cd. You just drag your songs from your library to the playlist to create the mix.
By Lyrazel
February 23, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this
Wow! geekboy I would not advertise my stupidity by saying: I dont know how to operate iTunes! Maybe its you! iTunes looks nice, but only plays 30-second clips of songs, not the whole song like every other service iTried. Then you must download the full song, geekboy. You sometimes have to PAY because some places offer free short downloads—short meaning 30-second clips. Second, you have to buy the MULTIPLE DEVICE PLAYING songs—thats where Apple Music store screws you because it requires an ability to read the fine print—the 99¢ songs operate on a single device—thus the one you are downloading on. Yes sir, the multiple device songs are like 1.05 or more—gasp. As for your crashing while trying to burn CDs maybe its not iTunes but all the stuff you messed up when you took control over downloading software you obviously still dont know how to run.
Call Bill Husted your Technobuddy. He might be able to help you.
By WRCz
February 23, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
I’ve been using iTunes for 5 years now, it never crashes, burns CDs that play just fine in my car (Hint: don’t use cheap CDs), I can play my purchased music on 5 different computers and they play on any number of iPods… which is iTunes’ raison d’etere: to sell iPods. If you chose some other brand player, then use their software and store… and good luck to ya. They don’t sell unlocked mp3s either.
By whoDean
February 23, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this
You sir, and an iDiot. Macs are perfect for manly men, girly girls and all who walk god’s green earth.
By insomniac
February 23, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this
Funny, where I work we call what you have just explained as an “I D 10 T” error. Just becuase your simple mind cannot work one of the easiest programs ever created for the ripping, playing, and burning of music on a PC or a MAC does not mean IT is retarded, it means YOU are retarded. Playlist creation, with the advent of smart playlists, allows just about anyone to use it. My very elderly grandparents use it on a daily basis. They have ripped all of their cds, and have had no problem purchasing music from the store. They burn CD for their trips, and even brought their laptop with them on a recent cruise they were on so they could play with the iPOD I gave them as a present.
I understand why you work for the AJC, you are a complete neophyte in the field in which you are reporting/blogging. Please resign or quit before you throughly confuse those people that actually need someone to help in their quest to understand technology better.
By Dham340
February 23, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this
Your review is iStupid. Sounds like the problem is not iTunes but your hardware.
Furthermore, contrary to the implied viewpoint in your review, digital rights management on song files comes with EVERY paid digitial music service.
Moreover I can’t believe this retched “review” got published. Given all the problems you had and knowing that iTunes is the market leader in digital music, why didn’t you just give apple support a call? Didn’t it enter your iHead that maybe YOU were doing something wrong? You should have taken the attitutde that, as a technology reporter, you owed a duty to your readers to track this down.
Since you did not, as it is this is an unfair review. Had you tried to find out the cause of your problems and if they were indeed a result of iTunes, then maybe you might have salvaged some credability. As it is.. it is just iStupid.
By Wise Diva
February 23, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this
I think Apple is of the Devil. LOL. I am trying not to get sucked in but did you know they had a frickin VENDING machine at Southlake Mall?! VENDING MACHINE!! see? that’s SATAN!!
By Russell Mondy
February 23, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this
You would think someone named “Geekboy” could operate software that “toddlers” I know seem to have little problem with.
By jerry
February 23, 2006 06:13 PM | Link to this
geekboy, the problem here is the connection between the keyboard and the chair. that’s also a message for whoever said they have to use any other program but iTunes to convert to mp3. i’ve tried several other music management software packages and none are as deep and operate as well as iTunes. i don’t even own an iPod, i own a Sandisk mp3 player and iTunes has worked fine with it. i suggest reading the help file, and going a little deeper into the Edit | Preferences section and, assuming you can read, you should be able to figure out what you are doing wrong…if not, you can call Apple for help, but be prepared to be put on hold at least once while they mute the line and laugh at you really hard ;~)
By Dennis
February 24, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this
You lost all credibility when you use the word “retarded” and label Mac’s as “Computers for girls.”
I’ve used iTunes to burn CD’s and they’ve worked in several different cars.
By Moon
February 24, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this
I agree with geekboy…itunes suck…
By moonie
February 24, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this
unrelated ?? my daughter’s creative zen had a mishap and she is being sent a new replacement-guestion is—is there any way (easy) to transfer her music from her old one to the new one? the lcd screen is what is borken-not showing the whole screen..the music plays fine…i know we can put the music on the computer and then put them on the zen but can we go directly from zen to zen??
By panicman
February 24, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this
GeekBoy you are an idiot if you can’t use iTunes. Sounds like your computer sucks! Did you build it your self? Bet you used the cheapest crap out out there…
It was nice to read that you waisted time trying to get iTunes to work.
Learn how to operate a computer and get a Mac…
By brutus in fayt
February 24, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this
what a waste of bits/bites…. I am shocked that you even could operate your browser to post this…. sooooooo complicated. Please get your facts straight before you slam Apple… first fact… you have trouble operating your clapper light switch. second fact… you don’t even mention that your older computer is still operated by the little mouse running on the wheel… come on… let call this for what it is.. someone that has been drinking too much apple favored HATERAID!
By Larry
February 24, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
I have to agree with Brutus and Dham340 and Insomniac and…
By Larry
February 24, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this
Whoops! Looks like I’m an iDiot, too…(hint: make sure you don’t hit the “Enter” key until you are done typing) iThink you owe us an ‘objective’ review, Geekboy…enough with all the ‘hating’, how about a ‘patch’? Oh, yeah, I’m not an Apple guy either, but…
By anonymousella
February 24, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this
yes… macs are computers for girls… erm, except for the fact that most of the male geeks i know are mac devotees — at least since os x and its unix-based kernel. and among (mostly male) user interface engineers? the mac os considered to be superior. please save your incorrect sexist assumptions for some other venue.
regarding itunes: it’s really not that hard. i actually find it very easy to rip, sort and burn.
never downloaded anything from the itunes store because i hate the licensing policies. but i prefer the way itunes lets me manage my music once i rip it.
one tip though to ensure music portability: make sure that you’re importing your files as MP3 or WAV rather than AAC. in case you ever want to switch media players.
By Tara
February 24, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
I am a loyal iTunes, iPod, college student user. I have never had a problem using iTunes to burn CDs or using those CDs in my car. I think everyones’ problems are user related. You call yourself the geekboy, yet you can’t even get iTunes to work correctly? Every college student in America can do it with no problem, what’s your excuse? If your burned CD is not playing in your car it is either the crappy brand of writable CDs you bought, or the crappy CD player installed in your car, not iTunes fault.
By trey
February 24, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this
for those of you who are complaining about cd’s not working in the car, i think you might want to focus on your car’s crappy cd player and write a blog about that! never once have i had a problem with my cd’s playing after burning them from itunes.
By Geekboy
February 24, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this
Thanks for all the kind words. I figured my opinion would bring out the best and worst in Apple worshippers.
Apple could not write their own viable OS, so they borrowed one from the open source world, prettied it up and started charging people for it.
The latest Linux kernels are far better at server applications than OSX. Anyone devoting a lot of time to Darwin, which OSX is based on, rather than Linux, is shooting themselves in the job market foot.
Windows XP is far better for general desktop use than OSX. Everyone develops software for XP, almost no one develops software for OSX.
The problem with iTunes and other pay-for-play sites is that they force you to use their CD burning and playback software. I would much prefer to be able to use Nero and WinAmp to burn and play the songs I have paid for.
If that opinion upsets you, you are the perfect consumer. Enjoy American Idol, but meanwhile I’ve got work to do.
By martha
February 24, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this
I have plenty of Let’s Active tracks if you need a fix… every dog has his day…
By girlygirl
February 24, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this
You sir are an imbecile. (That means stupid) I have used Mac’s since they hit the market. In fact, my children still use one of the first one’s released at my parents house. That thing is over twenty years old and runs like new! How many Windows based PC’s that old are still up and running?!? Apple’s os has worked great all these years and continues to work great. Where do you think Gates fot the idea of “WINDOWS”? Have you checked to see which came first? Hint: not Windows. I agree with a lot of the others, the problem isn’t the program, the problem is the person holding the mouse. (that’s that little thing that is connected to your computer that was also created by Apple)
By Geekboy
February 24, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this
If you would take your head out of the Apple marketing literature that came with your overpriced toy, you could learn the mouse was invented by a guy that worked on NASA projects, and later for Xerox.
Apple took the mouse from Xerox, sort of like they stole OSX from BSD.
A graphical interface as an OS was not invented by Apple either. They took that from Xerox too.
Windows XP is a better choice as a desktop machine because almost everything is designed to work on a PC first, and an Apple second if at all.
I don’t use hardware that is 20 years old. I don’t see why anyone would. I do have a 1994 PC running a LAMP server with zero downtown for the last few years. If you can find someone that has maintained a Mac LAMP server for 5 years, write back.
By Ted Lee
February 24, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this
Methinks if Geekboy doth dislike iTunes so much he should go use one of it’s competitors. Oh, wait a second - they all SUCK. There’s a reason iTunes has the market share it does, and it’s not because it’s the cheapest player in the game. It’s because it has the overall best user experience, price and selection.
Oh, and if you’re CD that your burnt from iTunes won’t play in your stereo, why don’t you check to see if your stereo can play CD-Rs. That’s not really Apple’s problem, is it?
By anonymousella
February 24, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this
Apple could not write their own viable OS, so they borrowed one from the open source world, prettied it up and started charging people for it.
i may be wrong here, but isn’t that essentially what microsoft did with windows? they took a dos shell (don’t think that was open source, though), made their own customized version of it (MS-DOS), and put a fancy interface on it. only MS got it horribly wrong with their user interface. os x really just works…and in such a natural, common sense way. far better experience than windows
Windows XP is far better for general desktop use than OS X.
forget bias, now you’re just showing ignorance.
windows xp is great except for the fact that you need to be a security expert in order to protect your box. plus searching your machine is a three-step process. and you have to defrag (never had to do that with any mac, let alone os x).
if you’re a person who doesn’t like having to work on your machine, windows is a nightmare (and trust me: plenty of smart geeks — male and female — fall into that category). the only upshot of a windows box is that mid-range machines are cheaper.
Everyone develops software for XP, almost no one develops software for OS X.
adobe creates OS X apps. so does vivendi unversal (‘diablo’ and ‘world of warcraft’ games). ditto aspyr media (the sims). so do plenty of open source developers (openoffice.org, mozilla, audacity, gimp). digital camera and printer drivers? yep. and there are TONS of mac-friendly educational software titles. even microsoft sells office for the mac.
what’s more, the mac ships with enough software to do what your average user would want to do, so you don’t need to buy more software.
it’s ease makes it perfect for general desktop use.
By Dave P
February 24, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this
I think iTunes and Apple are evil. They are soley out to make millions of dollars without letting you use musice ANY way you want. Even with all this money Apple is making for the music industry they STILL complain. And Apple and iTunes go along. It is a holy pain the a** to burn a CD that will play in your car or home CD player. Period. There are a ton of really great MP3 players, I’d just rather choose anything but Apple. Just my opion even if it differs from what seems like the entire universe.
By Scott
February 24, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this
Frankly I think all of the services have their drawbacks, and they ALL have some form of rights management. I’ve tried the MSN music one that is partly embedded in Windows Media Player and several others, and basically what keeps me using itunes is not the ease of use, though I think it’s pretty simple and haven’t had problems, but the ammount of music that’s available. If you’re just looking for the CD from the latest American Idol runner up or something from Nickelback, I’m sure there are tons of services out there that you’ll be perfectly happy with, but if you’re looking for some more obscure bands or albums, I think itunes is the best choice of the major services for you. BTW, if you want restrictive agreements check out Napster and some of the subscription services that only let you have access to the music for as long as you’re a subscriber. I’ll take my itunes thanks.
By Geekboy
February 24, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this
If you like Apple and iTunes, more power to you. Keep using them and be happy.
I personally own more Macs than anyone I know, but they are largely unused. I have an original iMac that makes a fairly effective server running Debian Linux and console apps. I was fond of the old Motorola chips for memory use and heat distribution reasons. That architecture simply could not compete in the CPU speed race and was wisely abandoned for desktop and server use, but makes for a fine chip in embedded environments because you don’t need a fan to keep the chip cool.
If you are a typical home user and don’t know what hardware to use, my advice is to go with a PC because it is cheaper and better. Only people that work for Apple debate this. The most powerful Mac available now (for more than $3000!) comes with a graphic card less powerful than the PC card I gave away a year ago.
For an Operating System, my advice is to use Windows XP because you will be sure to find what you need in the software world. And you will be able to find more people willing to help you.
The Mac software offerings are very limited in comparison to Windows. Only zealots and those in the employ of Apple argue this point.
Windows XP is a security problem, but I run everything behind a Linux router. If you have a router at home, you probably do too.
If you are not using a router at home and have an “always on” Internet connection, you should get one. The very first Geekboy blog says as much.
If what you have pleases you, keep it. If you are seeking advice, take mine. Geekboy is not trying to sell anything here but the truth.
By Shannon
February 24, 2006 06:25 PM | Link to this
Excuse me? iMacs are Computers for Girls?! Are you saying girls are dummies? Forgive me as I stoop down to your level of rhetoric, but you’re the dummy.
I’m not a Maciac—I’m running a dual processor Dell XPS because I’m a gaming fiend—but I do use an iPod because it was the only player in the beginning. There are things not to like about iTunes—like the way it tries to take over your media files, and QuickTime, which annoys me since it doesn’t easily offer the option to not auto-load when starting Windows—but you didn’t even hit on those.
And please. You’re reviewing iTunes in 02/06? That’s like reviewing this dramatic new concept of having a camera in your cellphone. (In other words, it’s not new and it’s not news).
But really, saying the iMac is for girls? That kind of language doesn’t belong. Since when is it not normative for a girl to know how to use a computer?
Welcome to 2006, GeekBoy, you have earned your name… and not in a good way.
By Needles Kane
February 27, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this
What do you get when you pay $3000 for a huge piece of out of date garbage with an annoying fanbase??
A MAC!!
Keep it up Geekboy, put these iMorons in their place!
By MadMacs
February 27, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this
Slam Macs if you want, but Macs are the only true graphics machine. You can ride your moped, I will drive my Rolls Royce. Ever wonder why you never see a Mac repair shop? Hmmmmm.
By GoGoGeekBoy
March 1, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this
Any software that when you install it by default tries to be the defalut “everything” on your machine has faults if you ask me! … Software which does not I like very mush like say winamp, irfanview there are more but not enough if you ask me. Those are the applications that I routinely find myself clicking all the options for. However with most software I find myself unclicking as many as I can, it is sad to me (because I do respect apple) when I see them delivering code that requires you to do things such as install itunes with quicktime if you choose to download the defalt version of quicktime on the main page, or taking over your machine as it tries to do. The takeover bit sounds too much like realplayer (a real piece of crap), something I didn’t think apple lower themselfs to. The only thing we(consumers) can do is to fight this when ever possible. If itunes was so truely great it wouldn’t have try and force itself on people! … I think this is where the fault is, if apple corrects this mentality and truly fights fair/open ;) the truth shall come out, until then they are on my S**! the same list Realplayer is on, pretty sad. -al
By Joe
March 6, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this
Its funny to see Geek Boy wtfpwn the Apple bandwagon. I have yet to see a single Apple guru argue his main points and the typical bandwagoneers actually make up excuses as they go. Such as “but I do use an iPod because it was the only player in the beginning.”, for those who really believe this, Apple came into a market many years after Rio and Mpman had already legally or illegally cleared the way. Maybe they do this because there has to be some logical reason for over paying for computer devices so they can look trendy.
Everyone is allowed there own opinion, Geek Boy simply stated his, and since he stated facts, please don’t call him a idiot for doing so. You can hate the facts, but you cant change them.
By BlueTickHound
March 14, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this
lol. Even though we’re located smack dab in the middle of the Silicon Valley of South Georgia. Our wine selection doesn’t expand much past Boones Farm. I must comment that a bottle of Fat Bastard goes better while listening to Buckwheat Zydeco. A fact Buck would not deny himself…
-BTH