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DEL.ICIO.USPick Dorsey
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The Falcons need Glenn Dorsey. Of course, they need a lot of good players at other positions, but I think they’ll pick Dorsey. I wanted Long because the O-line needs lots of help, but he’s going to Miami.
Dorsey is the best player available at No. 3, if he’s still there. McFadden wouldn’t be bad, but I think he would be too much like a Vick-type player. Don’t think the option-type offense Arkansas ran would work in the NFL. The O-line was confused enough trying to block for Vick.
I watched Matt Ryan play a few times at BC and liked what I saw, but from the looks of offseason moves, the Falcons are preparing to stick with what they have. Keeping Redman, re-signing Harrington and don’t forget, Shockley could be in the mix. Sounds to me like they’re trying to make the most out of what they have.
Dorsey could come in and make an immediate impact. That’s what the Falcons need.
Go Falcons! Let’s have a great draft.
Comments
By D3
April 25, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this
I’m all for Dorsey myself. My fear is that he will be gone. NFL Radio this morning did their mock draft and it had Atlanta trading up with St.Louis to get Dorsey, which I question because that would be just wasting a pick. I know many people say Ellis is too high at 3, but many experts having him going to KC at 5 or even to Oakland at 4 (unlikely).
If they can trade back and pick up some picks I say all for it, but KC doesn’t need to, the patriots will trade down if anything, ravens won’t trade up to get Ryan, so the only trade partner I could see is the Jets to get McFadden. But I think they’ll be perfectly happy with Gholston if Oakland takes McFadden.
Anyone but Ryan, who may turn out to be a good quarterback, but we have way too many holes to fill on BOTH lines and Flacco, Henne or Brohm would do just as good. Especially in Mularkey’s smash-mouth run offense. IMHO.
By Bill
April 25, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
Leave it up to the Falcons its thier money and thier future.Win and we are behine you 100% Lose and thats another story.
By Marbo
April 25, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
Birdbrain, why do you continue to equate Mike Vick with Darren McFadden. They do not play the same position. On top of that, how in the hell can you say that the falcons did not win with Vick, when in fact, they went to the NFC championship game with Vick as the QB. I know Vick was far from perfect, but damn don’t put him out like that when he played the game with a bunch of medioccre lineman and receivers. PS. Do some research into the game that some fool at the AJC has entrusted to you to cover from a “fans” perspective. The game deserves at least that much respect.
By marbo who?
April 25, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this
Marbo, If you watched Arkansas play, McFadden also lined up behind the center and took the snap. He also threw for touchdowns. Don’t be so critical. Do you really have a comment or do you just want to bash the Bird Babe (Birdbrain? how original is that?). He is listed at running back, but he could play quarterback.
By Marbo
April 25, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this
Stupid, or whatever your name is, probably the birdbrain herself. That was an offensive “package” that you saw Arkansas run. That was not their base offense. It was ran to confuse the defense that they were playing against. You mean to tell me out of all the film that you must have watched of Arkansas that you didnt know that. Hell, LT, Marshall Faulk, hundreds of running backs, receivers in college and across the league have ran similar plays. Does that make the Quarterbacks? Huh? Great football mind. Mcfadden could not even make a NFL roster as a QB. The guy is a running back period. P.S. The game of football deserves a lot more respect than Birdbrain is giving it.
By Ken Strickland
April 25, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
BIRD BABE-it’s rather obvious that your football IQ isn’t what it should be, and you seem to harbor some personal resentment against MVick. Otherwise, how could you come down of the winningest QB in Atlanta Falcons history. He won more regular season and playoff gms, won more conference titles, took his team to more playoffs and did it all in only 4yrs as a starter. He’s also the only Falcons QB to have back to back none loosing seasons and was voted to the Probowl 2 consecutive times, which is equal to all other Falcon QB’s combined.
Now, none of us were pleased with his off field STUPIDITY. But to use those off field issues to express your personal issues and/or try to trivialize his on field accomplishments is cheap, to say the least.
That being said, I agree with you on drafting Dorsey. We do need to acquire an impact player with the #3 pick. Dorsey would certain fit the bill, and at a position of need. Drafting MRyan, who will only stand on the sidelines holding a clipboard, won’t have an impact on anything or anyone. I think Brohm is being punished for the actions of Petrino, his former HC. After all, Brohm was the top rated QB last yr as a junior, and was rated a certain #1 pick. Even though his team had a down yr, Brohm didn’t. He had an outstanding season and outperformed Ryan by a large margin statistically.
During his workouts before NFL scouts, he was outstanding. They reported he made all of the required throws with extreme ease and accuracy. He’s excellent at reading coverages and has one of the most accurate arms in major college. Ryan and Brohm had about the same number of career starts. Brohm had more pass attempts, more completions, a higher completion % and many more TD’s. Yet, Ryan threw almost as many INT’s his senior yr as Brohm threw his entire college career. On what realistic basis does Ryan come out of nowhere to get rated ahead of Brohm, who comes from a QB family like the Mannings?
Of course, these are the same so called experts that barely rated Tom Brady, but went overboard over Brady Quinn last yr. They even projected Quinn as the projected #1 pick at one point. I hope the Falcons don’t buy the MRyan hype. The Falcons poor overall draft history is likely due to past ownership/mgt listening to these so called experts and their hype.
By Gold standard
April 25, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this
Dorsey should be the pick. Why all the hype about Matt Ryan. Woodson did a lot better he play in the stronger sec lead in passing. The guy from Michigan I can see, all the rest are hype about the other QB’s . Woodson has better up side too. 17 interception in a weak ACC this year This guyis a bust!!
By Marlo
April 25, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this
The Falcons have needs at every position but kicker. Therefore, you start at the top: QB. Pick Ryan
By NASCAR Dave
April 25, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
DARREN MCFADDEN!
DARREN MCFADDEN!
MUST TAKE DARREN MCFADDEN!!!
NUFF SAID.
By Bama
April 25, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this
I hope we get Dorsey with #3. But I also hope Falcons move to get McKelvin and Brohm . Management will get it right this time.
By QueDogTeaching
April 25, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this
The problem is as of right now we won’t win the coin toss. We can’t score. We don’t have a running game at all. Yes we did pick up Michel Turner, but he has only amassed 1200 yards and 3 TDs in three sixteen game seasons, plus the playoffs. Even as a back up that doesn’t seem great at all. We know Norwood can run, but there are huge question marks there. I have sat in the Dome on many a Sunday and watched him dance, looking for holes instead of just hitting it. Plus he only scored ONE touchdown last year. Not saying this cannot change, I just have a problem over looking the best player in the draft, at the position that we could use depth in.
Dorsey sounds good, but besides New England’s Richard Seymour, and Warren Sapp name another 1st round D-lineman who has made that great of an impact. A lot of times that college strength and size is just mediocre in the NFL.
By Ken Strickland
April 25, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this
NASCAR DAVE-you must have a man love thing going on with McFadden. We already have JNorwood who is just as fast, if not faster, just as elusive and simular in size. We recently finalized a max FA contract for RB MTurner who is also fast, but much bigger and stronger. Intelligence and plain old common sense tells everyone, but you, that drafting McFadden would be a waste of money, a draft pick and a duplication of what we already have.
“THE FALCONS HAVE NEEDS AT EVERY POSITION EXCEPT KICKER. THEREFORE, YOU START AT THE TOP. QB PICK RYAN”. That entire statement is rediculous. How many QB’s have failed and/or had promising careers cut short because they had inferior talent around them. Do you remember top picks like RLeaf, DCarr, SBartkowski? Remember the numerous concussions suffered by CMiller and SYoung that forced their premature retirement? Even Brett Farve struggled and took a beating in GB before GM Wolf surrounded him with some talent.
When knowledgable people say you build around your QB, they’re talking about skill positions(WR, RB), not OL. Common sense should tell you that an above average OL can improve the performance of an average QB. However, a below average OL will make even a superior QB perform at an average or below average level. NUFF SAID.
By Bk Hawk
April 25, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this
Take Chris Long if possible and Get Flasso or Brohm. Mckelvin CB. Mc Fadden ?
By Listen, Babe ...
April 25, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this
You took a well-deserved beating for referring to Darren McFadden as a quarterback in a previous post. This post indicates you may still be under the delusion that is true. For God’s sake, please tell me you understand he is a running back, who occasionally took direct snaps in Houston Nutt’s offense.
By Ben
April 25, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this
Steve Bartkowski’s career was cut short by a ego-maniacle idiot named Dan Henning, who thought David Archer was a better QB than Bart. Henning’s losing in massive proportions proved he was wrong.
By I like it
April 25, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this
In Bk Hawk’s magic world it is apparently possible for the Falcons to get every player they want. All those he named may well be first rounders and the Falcons have one first round pick. Since he’s magic, maybe Hawk can be the GM and get us Tom Brady or Peyton Manning for Jimmy Williams.
By Ken Strickland
April 25, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
BEN-You’re right, Steve’s overall impact and development was hampered by Henning. But bad knees and shell shock from taking too may hits ended his promising career. The reason Henning thought Archer was a better QB was the fact he was very mobile and Steve wasn’t, even before the knee injuries.
BK HAWK-the Falcons have already used their last 2 #1 picks, and dished out big bucks on max contracts, to acquire starting DE’s JAbraham(06 FA)and JAnderson(#8 pick in 07). That means we already have 2 starting DE’s, with CDavis as the primary backup. However, we have no established starting DT’s, since TLewis is still on IR recovering from an injury he reinjured during rehab. Why tie up more cash by drafting another DE when there are more pressing DEF needs like DT, CB and Safety? You guys just aren’t using you brains.
By QueDogTeaching
April 25, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this
Strickland What team that was hurting as bad as the Falcons, instantly got better overall as a team by drafting a defensive player.
By Tony
April 25, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
Ken,
When was the last season John Abraham played in at least 75% of the season? He is 31 years ole and past his prime! Time to move on. Draft either Dorsey or Long!
By Roswell Ed
April 25, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this
Lets all hope for a thug free draft! Ryan would be an excellent choice!
By mowreck
April 25, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this
If Dorsey is gone, I would try to trade down and get ANOTHER pick in 2nd or 3rd round. Then I would try to get Troy’s Leodis McKelvin because we need a good CB to take the place of D. Hall. PLUS, we can then go for OT’s or DT’s or even a QB in the 2nd and 3rd round. We have a lot of picks and they will be there.
By Ken Strickland
April 25, 2008 11:24 PM | Link to this
TONY-the Falcons have an awful lot of money tied up in Abraham regardless of his injury situation. That’s why they spent so much money to resigned backup DE CDavis. If you draft Long, we will have one of the teams 3 highest paid players sitting on the bench. The Falcons didn’t spend all that money on CDavis as a backup, just to have Abraham, Anderson or Long sitting next to him.
The Falcons have too many other needs to spend their #3 pick on a DE of the future. It’s just down right stupid to spend 3 consecutive #1 picks on DE knowing one will have to sit on the bench. They can draft Abraham’s in next yrs draft, or the one after. This would be the type of craziness the Lions did when they wasted 3 consecutive 1st rd picks on WR’s.
ROSWELL ED-does your statement mean that Dorsey, and all the other QB’s in the draft, are are more likely to be thugs? Brohm has proven to be superior to Ryan in every measureable statistical category. The only tangible advantage Ryan has over him is mobility. You mean you’d draft Ryan with the 3rd pick in the 1st rd rather than Brohm with the 3rd pick in the 2nd rd just because you think he’s less of a thug? Man, Roswell must be a haven for KKK mentalities these days.
By chico
April 26, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this
Did anyone see the Yahoo sports article last week that listed the top 10 all time draft bust? Vick was #10. Lets hope is does not happen again! Yikes!!! Mr. Dimitroff, please turn the Koons around!
By Boodro
April 26, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
If Dorsey is there by all means pick him. He would immediately make Abraham and Anderson better because he’ll be double teamed a lot. This man is a BEAST in the Leroy Selman mode and you know what he did for Tampa Bay. If Dorsey isn’t there I still wouldn’t take Ryan, Brohm is better and Henne is very close. He’s just not worth a #3 pick. If trading down isn’t possible Sedrick Ellis is there and many scouts rate him as high as Dorsey.
By St. Bernard
April 26, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this
Do not pick Ryan. Even in the worst case scenario concerning our qb situation, we can build our lines and defense. Then, be pretty sure we’ll be back here next year with a high enough pick to pick up a highly ranked qb.
By Ken Strickland
April 26, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this
BOODRO-you not only have a sound football mind, you sound like you’re old school. How else would you know about the Selma brothers. They, along with Hugh Douglas and Dave Pear, gave Tampa Bay one of the NFL’s most dominant DEF’s.
We don’t need a QB to starting day one, but one for the future. We’re not going to employ a complicated, QB driven pass oriented OFF like the Colts or Patriots. So we can get what we need in the 2nd rd. In fact, the QB talent in this draft will very likely present the wise franchise with another TBrady type situation.
Besides, Ryan doesn’t have the strongest arm, he’s not the most accurate, the most mobile, and his seasonal and career stats rate him no higher than 4th, behind Brohm, Flacco and Henne. You can believe all of the media hype and BS about Ryans so called intangibles if you want. But there is absolutely nothing tangible or concret that indicates he is, or will be, a better QB than either Brohm, Flacco, Henne or a couple of others in this draft. Not only does he fail to measure up to his hype, he can even measure up to Brohm, Flacco or Henne statistically whether measured by season or career. The Falcons should let someone far more desperate draft him.
DO THE RIGHT THING TODAY FALCONS, BECAUSE THIS IS THE START OF A NEW ERA AND THE FUTURE OF THIS FRANCHISE. DRAFT AN IMPACT PLAYER THAT CAN START IMMEDIATELY, LIKE DT’s DORSEY OR ELLIS. THEN USE THE OTHER RDS TO DRAFT YOUR SKILL PLAYERS AND YOUR FUTURE STARS.
By Najeh Davenpoop
April 26, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
Yeah, they shouldn’t pick McFadden because he’s too much like Vick. Not because we just paid a free agent RB $36 million and we already have Jerious Norwood. Outstanding analysis. I’m glad we are now judging NFL draft prospects by their inability to use condoms rather than their on-field talents. Way to go Bird Babe. As if this newspaper wasn’t enough of a joke you have now set a new low.
By Roswell Ed
April 26, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this
Great selection Koons!!! The Micheal Vick/thug era is over! We now have the face of the franchise for the next 10 years!The day of the gangbanger is over! Those fans that dont like it should stay away. The thug era is over!
By dorrel
April 26, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this
i’ll support this pick, it was great to hear someone say that they were happy to be an Atlanta Falcon! Go Ryan, Vick can officially rot in hell now!
By bulldawgrick
April 26, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this
It’s official now. Vick will never play for the Falcons again.
By Trill Phil
April 26, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this
I hope y’all like white pancakes Ed & chico, because that’s what ol’ Matt Ryan will look like when he lines up behind a 3rd grade b-team offensive line next season. you don’t like koons, and i don’t like dumb pink people (i.e. GW BUSH, racist redncks who blog for no reason at all lol).
By boxer6758
July 31, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this
Why is this even an issue anymore?. Its over and done with, come to think of it the Packers should have selected Barry Sanders instead of Tony Manadarich back in the day. Lets stop beating the dead horse for gods sake. The problem is the nonswimmers dont want to have a white qB here in Atlanta, news flash: They have already selected Matt Ryan. Nothing can change that, get over it. Hey Trill Phill, get over it hopefully he doesnt get injured like Michale Convick did every game!
By boxer6758
July 31, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this
Why is this even an issue anymore?. Its over and done with, come to think of it the Packers should have selected Barry Sanders instead of Tony Manadarich back in the day. Lets stop beating the dead horse for gods sake. The problem is the nonswimmers dont want to have a white qB here in Atlanta, news flash: They have already selected Matt Ryan. Nothing can change that, get over it. Hey Trill Phill, get over it hopefully he doesnt get injured like Michael Convick did every game!
By boxer6758
July 31, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this
Why is this even an issue anymore?. Its over and done with, come to think of it the Packers should have selected Barry Sanders instead of Tony Manadarich back in the day. Lets stop beating the dead horse for gods sake. The problem is the nonswimmers dont want to have a white qB here in Atlanta, news flash: They have already selected Matt Ryan. Nothing can change that, get over it. Hey Trill Phill, get over it hopefully he doesnt get injured like Michael Convick did every game!
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