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DEL.ICIO.USHarrington working on short game
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Just wanted to jump on here real quick and give you an injury update. Looks like a lot of the crew that missed yesterday’s a.m. practice is back at it. The most notable is rookie wide receiver Laurent Robinson. Robinson missed time with a tweaked hamstring suffered during Saturday’s morning session and is on the field today.
Robinson looked good in the first practice session, taking a short Joey Harrington pass over the middle and turning on the burners.
Speaking of Harrington, he completed five of six passes during a session I just finished watching. He wasn’t exactly stretching the defense however, most of the passes were short, quick-hitters. Here’s the breakdown:
- 1-for-1 after a 10-15 yard out to Adam Jennings, who made a nice catch.
- 1-for-2 after an incompletion that was way off to Roddy White. Looked like a miscommunication between Harrington and White because the ball was sailing toward the sideline while White was running downfield.
- 2-for-3 after a dump-off to Dwayne Blakley, who by the way, is huge.
- 3-for-4 after the short completion over the middle to Robinson.
- 4-for-5 and 5-for-6 — quick completions over the middle to Michael Jenkins.
It’s worth noting that those passes weren’t against the No. 1 defense.
After that they broke into special teams. Nothing too earth shattering to report there. Jennings and Allen Rossum took turns returning kicks with the first-team kick return. But truthfully, the most impressive person out there was Ovie Mughelli. Rossum has to be looking forward to running behind him when returning kicks. He’s a load, and the last thing I’d want to see is him coming at me with a 30-yard head start.
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By Bob
August 7, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this
What kind of attendion is D. J. getting at QB?
By David
August 7, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this
Hopefully none! DJ is gonna be the guy holding the clipboard all year.
By Brian
August 7, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this
Do you people not understand that Harrington is the QB to start the season. If he falters, then I am all for giving Shock a chance. But until then, he is just not ready. Give it a rest already.
By KC
August 7, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this
I am so tired of people asking about DJ!! Shut up about DJ!! D*mn!!
By A.Richey
August 7, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this
Atlanta will be lucky to win 6 games this year.Harrington at qb?Teams are just foaming at the mouth to play atl this season.At least a good high draft choice will come out of this Vick disaster.
By shawn
August 7, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this
what do you think will harrington have a good year or will we see all 3 qb,s this year?
By Roy
August 7, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this
6 wins thats great, with Vick we might have won 3!
By A Falcons walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this
I think that a season of getting destroyed by other NFL teams will make Blank scratch his head and say “Well, they are just dogs. Ray Lewis killed a guy and was MVP the next year…Kobe Bryant raped a woman and has Nike commercials again, Leonard Little killed a woman drunk driving, got another DUI, and just got a contract extension. . hmmm”
By RT
August 7, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this
I traveled between ATL and Detroit during the Harrington era and watched many a game. Joey had a lot of trouble with even the short passes. What he threw ended up on the toes or shoes. Many a fan screamed at that. Yes they dropped a lot in Detroit, but on too many they didn’t have a chance to catch them. It will be interesting to see if he has ever improved.
By Ron Roberts
August 7, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this
What’s up with the racist commentary? This Michael Vick crap has brought out the worst in racists, both white and black.
David Duke, you shame me as a white man.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this
Then Blank will scratch his head some more and say “Why is Jonathan Babineaux still on our team and Vick is not?”
By Brian
August 7, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this
Count me in on the DJ bandwagon. Go with him and be done with it. I would much rather watch him than Harrington.
By Brian
August 7, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this
Looks like I am going to have to change my name. Harrington will “shock” you all and take the Falcons to the playoffs.
By mars
August 7, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this
Gosh, I’m so tired of so-called fans settling for a mediocre-at-best Harrington when there’s a perfectly talented Shockley standing right there. For Gods sake! Shut up about Harrington! D*mn!
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this
Then Arthur Blank will go sit in one his many empty seats in the dome, scratch his head and say “I think a one year suspension, and some commitments to animal welfare foundations should just about cover it. I sure would like to have a chance at winning again. Maybe we can re-structure his contract and create some good will”
By Mark
August 7, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this
Ray Lewis did not kill anyone! The idiots he was with did and he testified against them so that they would go to prison.Kobe’s case was dismissed and it was noted that the woman had had sex with someone else right before she was with Bryant. If you are going to dis someone or the league, at least keep the facts straight A Falcon walks into a bar…
By KC
August 7, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this
I’m sick of hearing about Vick, Harrington, and DJ!! Make a deal Arthur!!
By Mark
August 7, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this
A Falcon walks into a bar… You have to be Vick’s uncle. Only someone that stupid would defend him after all of his actions. If you disagree, state some facts that support why he should be given a second chance in the league and not just your opinion. You have already proven you don’t know your facts.
By Give me a break
August 7, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this
Harrington will not and should not get any respect until he earns it on the field in the regular season. This guy failed in Detroit with more 1st round WRs than has ever been assembled on one team. His time in Miami was nothing to speak of either. Now he comes to Atlanta with one of the worst collection of WRs in the NFL and a mediocre OL to boot, and people expect good things? I’ve got news for you, unless Harrington has a gear that he has never shown, this season is going to be a disaster. 5 wins tops. There will be many a moment where management will scratch their heads wondering how they went from the duo of Vick/Schaub to the dregs of Harrington/Redman in just a short few months. Well….back to the drawing board in the 2008 NFL draft.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this
Ray Lewis did not testify against anyone. He plea bargained to lesser charges and everyone else was acquitted. 2 dead bodies still remain.
Kobe Bryants case was dismissed, which is further than the M. Vick case has even gone at this point. Kobe also settled a civil lawsuit very quickly and quietly. Basically an admission of guilt. The woman had sex with her boyfriend the night before? So what? You can’t be raped if you have a boyfriend that you are sexually active with? Why settle on a civil suit then?
The American public is saying that raping and murdering humans is more acceptable than killing dogs. Neither is right, but M. Vick has only been accused. He deserves the right to work for a living until proven otherwise.
Kobe Bryant-Rapist-No games missed Ray Lewis-Murderer-No games missed
Don’t care to comment on Leonard Little? Jamal Lewis anyone? Jonathan Babineaux? Anyone?
By Joshua
August 7, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this
Wow news must be getting low when your bragging about Joey tearing up the second string defense. Man we are in for a long year……
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this
Mark,
Fact-Michael Vick has not been convicted of a crime, ever.
Fact-The United States Constitution states that all men have a right to a trial by jury and that you are considered innocent until proven guilty.
Fact-Michael Vick is being banned from the league on the grounds of allegations.
Fact-I don’t need to be an Uncle of anyone to be able to interpret the rights of US Citizens.
Fact-Kobe Bryant and Ray Lewis were accused of greater crimes and served no penalties whatsoever from their employers.
If Vick is found guilty, do what you gotta do. Until then, Ray Lewis and Kobe Bryant will be involved in this discussion to show that you are innocent until proven guilty.
By falconfan3stacks
August 7, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this
A Falcon walks into a bar hit it right on the head (although he may have stated it incorrectly). Let me help… Ray Lewis was indicted for murdering a human being… Kobe was charged with raping a woman… and Leonard Little did kill a human being while driving under the influence (for a second time). Vick has been indicted (not found guilty) of 1 sponsoring a dog in a dog fight; 2 conspiracy to participate in a dog fighting ring; and 3 owning a house where dog fights took place. Why shouldn’t he be allowed his day in court. Innocent until proven guilty.
By Big Bull
August 7, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this
Hey Vick… If the house is in yo name, you must take the blame!!!
By bushwacker
August 7, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this
For all you brain surgeons who keep saying DJ is not ready, I have news for you,EVERY QB who has ever played in the NFL when they were all drafted not single one of them had NFL experience before joining the NFL. Even Joe Montana had to play his first game before he had experience .
By terry
August 7, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this
I’m glad to see posts like these. I like to see posts without any racists comment. we need to talk about football and only football.
By Jonathan Babiwussy
August 7, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this
Jonathan Babiwussy will be the next to go after his conviction. He is one sick dude. Dogs don’t just die from blunt force trauma to the head from laying around the house. Babiwussy is no-class sissy who takes his pathetic frustrations out on defenseless animals. He’s nothing but a coward in a roid induced body. It’s scumbags like Babipuss that ought to be thrown to the very creatures they maime. The Falcons will do just as well without that pathetic meathead on the roster.
By Lowcountry Bulldawg
August 7, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this
The Falcons haven’t even had a preseason game and I am already exhausted. This is going to be a LONG season in the Dome. Also, I support Harrington…lol!
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this
Meanwhile, “Babiwussy” is still in camp and Vick is not. Does that register as consistent in your book? Whether your a dog lover or not. Is that consistent? Innocent until proven guilty.
Sincerely, Ray Lewis Kobe Bryant
By Peaches Big Bull
August 7, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this
All the teams that win the big one, has a cute white QB. Maybe Joey is just what we’ve been looking for!!
By Roger
August 7, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this
I must say that I’m an Oregonian who has closely followed Joey’s career from the U of O to today. Here is what we know. Joey was a winner in high school and went 25-3 at the U of O with many come from behind games. He gets drafted by the woeful Detroit Lions who then waste several first rounders on receivers instead of beefing up their o-line. Yes, Joey underperformed, but I noticed the Lions didn’t turn any heads last year once he was gone. Now, he’s a Falcon and many of you are already conceding that your going to have a terrible year. This might be true, but give Joey a chance. If gets some protection and the defense isn’t rotten, he’ll gain confidence again and give Atlanta something to cheer about. Good luck and I’ll be following the Falcons this year.
By V. Rice
August 7, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this
Correct Ray was found innocent, Kobe too. Why not let Mike have his day in court? It is possible he was not involved too.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 7:08 PM | Link to this
Big Bull,
“Hey Kerney… If the house is in yo name, you must take the blame!!!”
By V. Rice
August 7, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this
Thought 1: You own a house in Virginia and reside in ATL. You find a tenant and rent it out. As long as the checks are paid on time for rent, what reason do you have to go to the residence? You may have a friend ride by and take a visual, but… If there was illegal activity going on inside the house. How would you know? In this scenario, you are not even dealing with family, persons you would impart even more trust on. The farthest thought from your mind is that they are doing something illegal. If it is found that illegal activity is happening, is law enforcement justified in implicating you, possibly. The fact still remains though, you were unaware.
Thought 2:Hypocrites - Boxing is a savage sport in which human athletes are trained to literally beat someone until they are either the last one standing or others judging can say they won. People bet on this, participants have suffered lifelong mental injuries as well as died from this, yet it is legal. How humane is that? Where was PETA when the dog was tied to a truck and dragged, where was the national outcry? You must love America, why? The only place in the world where the value a dog’s life is more important than yours.
By Lowcountry Bulldawg
August 7, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this
V.
The difference in your second analogy. Is that boxers make a choice to get in the ring and fight each other. Simple. Dogs have no choice. They are trained to be killers. Common….
By Brian
August 7, 2007 7:18 PM | Link to this
I am so glad to see someone else sees my point of view. Thank You, A Falcon Fan!
By Big Bull
August 7, 2007 7:29 PM | Link to this
Walk bar.. If it were Kerney, it would be more like ..If the domain is in your name, you must accept the consequences.Kerney did get educated when he was in college! Besides, we let him go didn’t we ?
By V. Rice
August 7, 2007 7:31 PM | Link to this
And boxers are not? Many have made a choice a long time ago… You would like to think so. One of the most vicious and most celebrated boxers ,Mike Tyson, used to knockout old women after askking to asist them with their groceries. Boxing was a way for him to promote his savage nature, training actually helped him to be less violent, more controlled violence.
I can respect what you are saying though…
By Lowcountry Bulldawg
August 7, 2007 7:42 PM | Link to this
You did have to pick the biggest of the bad apples didn’t you. However alot of boxers use this as a way to take themselves out of those same streets and provide for there families. On that I can’t think of a dogfighter who did that..lol!
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 7:47 PM | Link to this
Mike Tyson was convicted of raping a woman, spent time in jail and then was allowed to resume his employment. Why should Vick be banned forever? If he is found guilty, let him pay his debt to society, and then re-join it. Until then, he is innocent until proven guilty and should be allowed to earn a living like anyone else.
By V. Rice
August 7, 2007 7:48 PM | Link to this
I hear you… I actually know a few. Although its illegal, it is money in it. I would not do it. It can be the difference between east lake and eagles landing though.
By Lowcountry Bulldawg
August 7, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this
Agree with you.Now you know we shouldn’t have brought up Mike Tyson! Mike Tyson resumed his employment because Boxing was and still is desperate to be relevant. The NFL does not need Vick. It is the number one spectator sport in America.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this
It is not the #1 spectator sport in Atlanta though. The Falcons need Vick or an empty dome and Falcons black outs will resume… .again. You will see the sentiment change over the course of this disastrous season.
Innocent until proven guilty.
By V. Rice
August 7, 2007 8:01 PM | Link to this
True. Different question. Why does an article highlight Joey going 5 for 6 on short passes and not speak of his INT’s in practice (the Chris Houston article), yet there is a headline article about DJ throwing two?
By Lowcountry Bulldawg
August 7, 2007 8:03 PM | Link to this
Presumed innocent
By Rod
August 7, 2007 8:03 PM | Link to this
Shockley is the best QB on the team he just isnt the anointed one on the team. If this offensive system is being molded to fit Joey’s ability it will be called a DINK AND DUNK offense.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 8:07 PM | Link to this
V. Rice,
The AJC is not a legitimate news organization. The AJC is to news media what the Falcons are the to the NFL. The doormat. Here’s to hoping for another Atlanta newspaper to push the integrity, and journalism of the AJC. It’s not happening on it’s own though. It’s a high school paper. Unfortunately, it’s the place to come to for lame updates of the Falcons.
By GKJ
August 7, 2007 8:09 PM | Link to this
A FALCON WALKS INTO A BAR…GET A LIFE!
By V. Rice
August 7, 2007 8:10 PM | Link to this
I agree Rod, with DINK and DUNK as an appropriate name. I don’t see Joey being the right fit, I do trust Petrino to make the best decision though. We will see DJ this year
By GKJ
August 7, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this
A FALCON WALKS INTO A BAR…GET A LIFE!
By GKJ
August 7, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this
A FALCON WALKS INTO A BAR…GET A LIFE!
By Chris
August 7, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this
Ken Strickland, if you’re here, I’d like you to know that you are a piece of garbage.
Awesome how you beat down Christianity in the other blog. And I hope, for your sake, that you someday get over your hatred of the white man.
By Vick Supporter
August 7, 2007 8:12 PM | Link to this
Listen to this. that’s why we can’t ever win in anything. Yes, Harrington is gonna get destroyed this year. You know it. Let Vick play. These witnesses aren’t credible. If they find him guilty, fine. Let the man play. I would like for Harrington to do well, but it doesn’t look good. Yes, I’m black. Cmon people let the man play. Sometimes controversy brings out the best in a person. Let’s let it play out. Cmon white folks, have a heart.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 8:13 PM | Link to this
GKJ,
Oh sh*t, you just slammed me! I am completely humbled. What a ground shaking response.
Doesn’t change the facts that US citizens are guaranteed certain rights under the US constitution. Freedom of speech being one. Right to a fair trial being another. Might as well throw in the minor detail of “innocent until proven guilty”
Sincerely, Kobe Bryant, Mike Tyson, Leonard Little, and Ray Lewis.
By Chris
August 7, 2007 8:17 PM | Link to this
Vick Supporter, if the witnesses aren’t credible, I guess that means the federal government’s investigative team isn’t credible either, huh?
All the evidence, all the investigating, all for nothing. Just a scheme to bring down the black man.
Didn’t this happen with Sidney Poitier? And Danny Glover? And Donovan McNabb?
Wait, no, it didn’t. Probably ‘cause those guys didn’t FIGHT DOGS, you f-ing moron.
By Lowcountry Bulldawg
August 7, 2007 8:19 PM | Link to this
Mike Tyson? Ugh..he was guilty.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 8:19 PM | Link to this
There is an easy to find video tape of R Kelly having sex with a 14 year old girl that is completely disgusting, yet people continue to buy his records, go see his concerts, and support him on the radio. I don’t know about you but I find a definitive video of an adult having sex with a child a little more disturbing than allegations of fighting dogs being killed. Neither is right, but no one is crying out in the streets over R. Kelly. Why is that? You’d rather have your own 14 year old daughter pee’d on and videotaped by a grown adult than have your dog killed? Interesting.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Sincerely, R. Kelly
By Chris
August 7, 2007 8:23 PM | Link to this
People are “innocent until proved (the correct spelling) guilty” only as it applies to a court of law.
As it applies to private enterprise, this means nothing. How many of you on this board would still have a job if you were indicted under federal charges?
At least Vick is getting paid. You wouldn’t be.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 8:23 PM | Link to this
Yes, Mike Tyson was found guilty, paid his debt to society and was allowed to return to his place of employment. The idea of a lifetime ban over fighting dogs is a bit ludacris. If Mike is guilty, which there may be a good chance of, let him pay his debt to society and then return to it.
Who’s getting a Harrington jersey? Really.
By rod
August 7, 2007 8:25 PM | Link to this
D.J. sould be the guy there is no ?
By Chris
August 7, 2007 8:25 PM | Link to this
Dude, you just said “ludacris.” The word is “ludicrous.”
You learned how to spell from a rapper.
Awesome.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 8:27 PM | Link to this
Most of us would have a job if we were indicted or we would be hiring a top gun lawyer to sue any company that didn’t allow a US citizen his/her due process of law. It’s not a suggestion, it’s a constitutional right.
Private enterprise will determine it’s own path. When the dome is empty and the Falcons are 4-12, you will see some sentiment change over this subject.
Danny Heatley killed another human being while driving under the influence. He was treated as a victim by the media.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Sincerly, Danny Heatley
By Chris
August 7, 2007 8:27 PM | Link to this
Who’s getting “Hooked on Phonics?” Really.
By Chris
August 7, 2007 8:33 PM | Link to this
Um, actually, Georgia is a “right-to-work” state. You can quit your job for any reason or be fired for any reason.
Now, you may be able to take up a grievance with the NFLPA. But that’s an entirely different issue.
Do you work for a union?
And, um, Dany Heatley was cleared of all wrongdoing by a court of law, but still shipped of by the Thrashers. That’s how business works. If you ever own one, you’d see such things. My guess is you won’t.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 8:34 PM | Link to this
Chris,
When “point of view” fails, go the “grammatical error” route.
By Lowcountry Bulldawg
August 7, 2007 8:34 PM | Link to this
What about Leonard Little? He killed someone and continued to play as well. Don’t pick on the white guy!
By GKJ
August 7, 2007 8:38 PM | Link to this
A FALCON WALKS INTO A BAR…SH*T. PURE GENIUS!
By Chris
August 7, 2007 8:40 PM | Link to this
I’m just pointing out that your education comes from $11.99 CDs. That kicks a*. Seriously.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 8:42 PM | Link to this
Chris,
Um, I don’t work for a union and I don’t work in the state of GA. Vick, however does work for a union, I do know that everyone is allowed due process. Is Vick actually an employee of the NFL or of the Atlanta Falcons? That could make a difference, since the NFL is not based in GA. The Falcons have every right to cut whoever they want. It will be their own downfall though. Vick WILL get picked up by another team, and that stadium will sell out games, while the Falcons dome will be empty…again. The laws of supply and demand are not bound within the state lines of Georgia. Luckily I do not work in that state. I wake up every morning and smell the beautiful pacific ocean, if it makes you feel better. It’s quite ludacris, if I do say so myself.
By destin
August 7, 2007 8:43 PM | Link to this
Arthur Blank should rehabilitate Michael Vick to the extent that if and when he regains unencumbered eligibility to play, he could bring good value in a trade — as he will most likely still be under contract. Regardless of how many wins we have this year, I think the Falcons will take a QB in next year’s draft and move on. I still think that for this year they should still replace Redman with a more competent vet.
By Chris
August 7, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this
So you agree that Vick will prosper somewhere else. Why the animosity toward the Falcons (who are still paying him) for wanting to distance themselves from a hard case?
“Ludicrous” you are, my friend.
By V. Rice
August 7, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this
Chris?!!! 1st word - credible, means offering reasonable grounds for being believed.(MW dictionary) Do you honestly find that a person serving time, when given the chance to serve no time or reduced time they already have is a credible witness? I don’t know what side of the track you travel, but many on both sides understand that certain individuals in society are guilty until proven innocent, not right, but that’s the way it is. Like it or not there are two sides to every story and sadly many only see the side the media portrays and because they see it accept it as fact sad but true. Picture this. Students in a classroom, teacher is away. There is some horsing around and a student in front of the class gets hit by a book by students in the back of the class The student is crying stating they will tell. You so happen to be sitting in the back of the class and the back crew decides to blame it on you. Only those in the back truly know what happened and they conspire that you will take the fall. With their status in the school (feds status in America) no one dare challenge what they say, so much so that they have convinced the entire class (nation) to say you did it when the teacher returns, is it true, NO!! but will the teacher believe you when everyone is saying somethingelse initially, probably not. If the time is taken to review the facts and ask questions maybe, maybe you will not be said to be the guilty party, maybe you will. At the very least you deserve a chance for your side of the story to be heard…
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 8:47 PM | Link to this
Danny Heatley asked to be traded. He wasn’t shipped out. Driving 100 miles an hour on HWY 85 while intoxicated doesn’t exactly get you cleared from wrong doing. A good lawyer, however, will. It’s that whole “innocent until proven guilty” thing again. I might have mispelled your favorite rappers name, but at least my education doesn’t come from the state of GA. Amongst the lowest in the nation. OUCH!! One of the few states where it’s still a misdemeanor to be involved in dog fighting by the way. Pretty Ludacris.
By Vick Supporter
August 7, 2007 8:50 PM | Link to this
Chris, I’m sorry I made a typo. I meant to type if he’s guilty, then he should be punished. Just in a hurry. You still don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, beotch
By t-man
August 7, 2007 8:50 PM | Link to this
I blame bush for all this mess. Federal Indictment for dogfighting? This is yet another example of the Federal Government trying to prevent the Falcons from winning a Superbowl. Also, this evil government will not allow my marriage to my boyfriend, Keith Brooking. How can this stand.
By Chris
August 7, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this
So why did Vick associate with these criminals? That’s enough to get you fired right there.
Vick is an idiot, Plain and simple.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 8:57 PM | Link to this
Chris,
I am not saying that Vick is innocent, or that he won’t be found guilty. I’m saying it is premature to punish him at this point in time. We do not know the whole story.
Vick IS an idiot. Of course he is. Just like every other professional athlete. They don’t get paid to be smart. They get paid to run fast. It’s not illegal to be an idiot.
Sincerely, The students of Duke University
By V. Rice
August 7, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this
Actually his lack of association with his family at the house is why he is in this situation, if he would have associated more, he would have been aware of what was happening at the house and could have put a stop to it. So quick to judge are we. Folks act so brand new, as if they never committed a crime or never had family that were not the most law abiding. Before you cast a stoe at Mike and his situation of which is only allegations, look at yourself and ask how much better are you. In the grand scheme liars are forgien the same as murderers, no sin is greater than the other. They are both wrong, are you so pure?…
By bp101
August 7, 2007 9:05 PM | Link to this
People, you can complain all ya want. Vick is never coming back. Move on!!!
By stendec
August 7, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this
For what it is worth: Falcons will have better chance of winning with DJ at QB. This comes from bird watcher who has monitored team from first kickoff. Harrington a proven loser! No excitement. No pizzazz! NO CHANCE. DJ could propel birdies to six ro nine wins. Realistically speaking. Win - OR LOSE - with dignity and pride. Go Falcons.
By Ron Roberts
August 7, 2007 9:18 PM | Link to this
I can’t help but wonder how many of the “play DJ Shockley” crowd were also the same late-to-the-bandwagon fans that jumped aboard when Michael Vick was drafted by Atlanta.
I think some fans aren’t going to be happy unless they either get Michael Vick (somehow) vindicated, or his replacement is of similar skin tone.
In other words, how many Falcons “fans” are more fans of their pigmentation than fans of the team?
I’m a Georgia Bulldog and nothing would delight me more than having DJ Shockley as the Atlanta Falcons’ starting quarterback. It would be a storybook dream-come-true for that young man, and he’s worked hard to get there.
But the fact is, as was pointed out earlier today, he’s struggling. He has no real practical regular-season game experience, and thus cannot be counted on to compete for a starting job.
Folks, deal with it. Joey Harrington is the starting quarterback for your Atlanta Falcons. And if you can’t deal with the notion of a caucasian being your team’s quarterback, then you’ve been not rooting for the team; you’ve been rooting for the individual and what he (you believed, anyhow) represented as a gifted athlete whose pigmentation you share.
Stop being so selfish, then, I say. Start being fans of the team, and stop thinking in color. The only color(s) I care about are on the team’s uniforms - not in them.
By bp101
August 7, 2007 9:19 PM | Link to this
The Falcons have’nt kicked off yet so what are you talking about. I am a big Shockley fan, but because he provides pizzazz does not mean he is a better QB. He is just not ready. Support Harrington. For the time being he is your QB. If he fails and Shockley comes in and dazzles us all, the I will be the first to admit that I was wrong. Shockley has started 12 games in the last six years. Give him a chance to develop.
By Mr C.
August 7, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this
I really think “A Falcon walks into a bar” has made some great points. If proven, what Vick did is deplorable and he should take his punishment. However, it’s all allegations. I’ve never seen this kind of criticism on any individual based on allegations. You can find him guilty of stupidity, however as someone mentioned, he is paid to run as fast as he can. If you are looking for smart individuals, then u might want to look at a college or somewhere else.
I’m a big Falcons fan. I hope they win 10 games. I will be rooting every week. However, i remember the pre-Vick days. Vick brought excitement to Atlanta. For all u critics, go and count how many times the falcons played on MNF prior to Vick. I remember those days where their games were blacked out except when the 49ers come to town. I hope all the critics make it to the Dome in week 12 or 13 when the falcons have 3 wins.
I’ve said it before and i will say it again, Atlanta has the worst sports fan in the country. I hope Schultz and all the critics will be around in December to bash on Vick.
By A Falcons walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this
Mr. C,
Amen brother. Does C stand for “correct”? You hit it right on the head with Weeks 12 and 13. You will see more fans in the stands from the other team, than you will rooting for the Falcons. Vick may be a dumba$$, but he was exciting to watch and gave the team a chance to win. Harrington sucks. Everybody knows it.
By chris you have been owned
August 7, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this
Im sorry Chris but you bring up no valid points what so ever. A Falcon walks into a bar pretty much has owned you. That means he pretty much killed any hope of your weak argument. He made great points while you attacked his spelling. Yea if you cant come with any facts or logical information bring up spelling errors. The sad thing of the whole Vick situation is the guy is basically guilty until proven innocent which is backwards as hell. Im sorry people but Joey Harrington will not get it done and I seriously doubt this defense improves that much this year from the last two years in which they sucked. They got some nice young players on the defensive side but it will take time for them to catch up to the speed of the NFL. It will be a long season. Joey Harrington had pro bowl receivers in Detroit and Miami and somehow managed to make them look bad. This guy actually had a game last year where he had a qb rating of 0. Yea that’s right zero, cero, 0, a big fat nothing. We might as well start scouting for a qb in next years draft.
By bp101
August 7, 2007 10:20 PM | Link to this
Who were the pro bowl receivers in Detroit and Miami???
By David Duke
August 7, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this
Joey harrington, in one less year in the league than vick, has thrown for one thousand more yards than dog killer and has thrown one more touchdown than Felonious. he’s a better quarterback than Buckwheat ever was! who were those pro bowl receivers? Have some more watermelon Donkeybreath.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this
Chris,
Looks like the public has spoken, or as we say, the “free enterprise”. Mark my words, you will see the sentiment change after the Falcons go 4-12 and Vick gets a chance to lay his defense out. Time heals a lot of things. Emotions being one of them. If Vick is guilty, he should pay his debt to society, re-structure his contract, his image and return to the football field.
The food you put in your mouth comes from a tortured, raised for feeding purposes, slaughtered animal. The animal didn’t choose that life. Dogs, chickens, and bulls get fought and hamburgers taste good. Thousands of Cats and dogs are put to death every single day due to overpopulation. It’s a hard fact of life, and it certainly doesn’t excuse what may have happened, but let’s put it in perspective.
Sincerely, A head scratching Arthur Blank
By Lowcountry Bulldawg
August 7, 2007 10:32 PM | Link to this
Who is the face of the Falcons: Vick
Who is the most expense player on the team: Vick
Who is responsible for leading the team on and off the field in a manor that is respectable in the community: Vick
Who is charged with fighting/killing animals: Vick
In these United States of America we are given the right of “presumed innocent until proven guilty”.
This right does not give him the god given right to be on a football field representing the Atlanta Falcons and the city of Atlanta. It is a privledge to be in the NFL not to be taken lightly. Michael Vick has put himself in a compromising possission for himself and this franchise. He has only himslef to blame for this situation.
The NFL is corporate America folks and if this were to happen in Corporate America (Tyco and Enron) what happens.? The executives in charge of the ship are forced to step down. Our problem here is the vested interest emotionally we have not just to Vick put to this franchise. We want it to excell. Most believe this to be only with Vick, but at some point we need to put our emotions aside and look at this from a business perspective. Right now the right move is to keep Vick away from the franchise, but keep back channel communications going with him and hope that in the event he may be cleared we as fans and citizens of Atlanta can forgive him.
By bp101
August 7, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this
Since Harrington has entered the league no Detroit Lion or Miami Dolphin offensive player(including receivers and offensive lineman) has made the pro bowl. I actually looked it up instead of just spouting off some ridiculous comment. It is not about race, guilt or innocence, or any other trivial matter. Whether he is guilty or not he is NEVER coming back. I don’t think the franchise will collapse. Winning is all that matters in the NFL. They can win with or without Vick.
By Dirrtybird
August 7, 2007 10:38 PM | Link to this
David Duke,
Your name alone destroys all credibility. How many playoff games has Harrington won? What is his teams win/loss record when he starts? Are you also counting the 12 games that Vick missed due to a broken leg? No. You’re telling me that Joey Harrington can only throw an extra 1000 yards more than “the worst QB in the NFL” in those extra 12 games? What was that win/loss record again? How about the number of Playoff wins? That’s what I thought. Don’t choke on this donkey’s d*ck. Harrington sucks.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this
bp101,
“Since Harrington has entered the league no Detroit Lion or Miami Dolphin offensive player(including receivers and offensive lineman) has made the pro bowl.”
What does that tell you about Joey Harrington!!!!
By the way. Roy Williams made the Pro Bowl last year. THE VERY NEXT YEAR AFTER HARRINGTON LEFT DETROIT!!!!!!
http://www.detroitlions.com/bio.cfm?bio_id=219&season=7
By bp101
August 7, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this
It tells me that Harrington never had any playmakers around him to help him out. No offensive lineman to protect him and a coaching staff that was inept. Its about time that Roy Williams made the pro bowl.
By Lowcountry Bulldawg
August 7, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this
By the way. Roy Williams made the Pro Bowl last year. THE VERY NEXT YEAR AFTER HARRINGTON LEFT DETROIT!!!!!!
Falcon..
Could that be because of Mike Martz? Mike Flurrie caught 98 passes in that system. How many coaches and OC has Harrington had? How much money did Detroit invest in the OL last FA? Common don’t pick and choose which facts you want to use. If you want to be taken serious tell the entire story. Jeez..
By bp101
August 7, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this
Oh, and by the way, Roy Williams was an injury replacement. In Mike Martzs offense he could’nt even be voted in. He had to wait for someone to back out so he could make it.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 10:55 PM | Link to this
How much money have the Falcons invested in the OL EVER? How many Pro Bowl receivers does Harrington have now that he is in Atlanta. Harrington is working with yet ANOTHER head coach and OC. If those are the reasons that Joey Harrington failed in Detroit and Miami, then I am sure that he will do EVEN WORSE in Atlanta, because none of those things have improved. How’s that for both sides of the story? Jeez…Next!
By Lowcountry Bulldawg
August 7, 2007 11:06 PM | Link to this
The Falcons must have invested enough for them to had lead the NFL in rushing the past 3 seasons..o thats right it was simply because of Vick. Lets disreguard Alex Gibbs and his system.
Pro Bowl WR’s- Joe Horn
Pro Bowl TE’s- Alge Crumpler
Head coach now Bobby Petrino? Tom Coughlin when he was with the Jaguars called him the best OC he had ever seen call a game. Couple that with Bill Musgrave and his history with QB’s then finally Harrington may have a chance. Why not give him that? What pressure will he have this year? He can relax and just do his job. He is not expected to be the savior..(insert laughter here).
By bp101
August 7, 2007 11:08 PM | Link to this
Joe Horn, Alge Crumpler, and they have upgraded the offensive line. Just face it, you want Harrington and the Falcons to fail just to prove your point. You are no true fan. Instead of trying to build up your team and QB you would rather tear then down so you can say I told you so. If none of this had ever happened, I would be on here pulling for Vick to pick us up and carry us to the super bowl. It is too bad that since he is not here you can not do the same for Harrington and the TEAM!!!!!!
By your still owned
August 7, 2007 11:18 PM | Link to this
You might want to check your numbers. When Petrino was with the Jags their offense wasnt that good. Their wr’s put up big numbers but overall they were just an average offensive team. When was the last time Joe Horn made the pro bowl? Joe Horn has been injury prone the last few years and is on his way to retirement. Crumpler made the pro bowl last year but he had a down season. He dropped more passes and td’s than I have ever seen him do…..Chris Chambers was also a pro bowl wr before Harrinton got there. You can try and spin it all you want but the facts are that Roy Williams put up better numbers when Joey Harrington left and Chris Chambers put up better numbers before Harrington got there. Chambers numbers dropped dramatically after Harrington became a dolphin. I will just put up the numbers to prove what im saying…….. here is ROY http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6766
Here is Chris……http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5499
In less games Chambers put up better numbers in 04 (rookie year i think) than he did in 06 with Joey Harrington as his qb. Matter fact Joey didnt even last the whole season as the starting qb for the dolphins. Flip it as you may but this guy is not very good. Plain and simple. Next attempt please
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 11:21 PM | Link to this
Oh Harrington will get his chance. He’ll have no pressure to win and he won’t. I’m simply telling you what is going to happen. That offensive line cannot defend the pass play for Joey Harrington and he will get sacked many times. It’s great that he can throw a short pass, so that the safeties can scoot up and guard the run at the same time. Joe Horn has had a hell of a career, but is a few years removed from his Pro Bowl days. Alge Crumpler has been awesome when he is healthy, but it doesn’t appear he will be utilized the same in the new offense. With his bread and butter QB gone, Crumpler could be traveling in a different direction next season. This offense is not built around the skills that Joey Harrington possesses. Shockley is better built for this offense. Might as well let him get some game experience and see how the other situation shakes out. There is little upside to playing Harrington in hopes that he can resurrect a career that never really existed. The fans will not pay to see Harrington, but they would sell out the dome to see Shockley. Shockley will be having his name chanted at the Dome regardless. This system is built around a mobile QB. Please believe me when I tell you that Joey Harrington is not that guy.
By bp101
August 7, 2007 11:29 PM | Link to this
Again, Harringtons supporting cast was not very good. I will give you that Harrington has not gotten the job done in the NFL. I still choose to support him and the team. If he fails and Shockley gets it done then that is great. If Vick is found not guilty and by some miracle he returns to the Falcons I will pull for him also.
By still owned
August 7, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this
Lowcountry Bulldawg the reason they lead the league in rushing had a lot to do with Vick. Take away his rushing yards and see where they rank. Actually the offensive line is very good at run blocking but not very good at pass blocking. That was said several times during broadcasted games by announcers. Once again remove Vick rushing numbers and see how they rank. Tell me what you come up with. I’ll be waiting.
By bp101
August 7, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this
Vicks passing numbers were also near the bottom of the league.
By still owned
August 7, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this
bp trust me I understand what your saying but come on man you just have to admit Harrington just is not very good. How can a wr like Chambers put up monster numbers the year before Harrington got there with basically the same team but once Harrington got there it went downhill. Hell I dont even remember who was the starting qb for the Dolphins before they got Harringon and Culpepper. Can anyone tell me? I think Gus Ferotte and some other guy mainly played. If that is the case then it further proves that Harrington is not that good. When no name back up qb’s can get the ball to the prime wr and you cant it tells me that no matter the supporting cast Harrington just cant get it done. I support the Falcons but it is going to be a long hard frustrating season.
By bp101
August 7, 2007 11:44 PM | Link to this
I hope that you are wrong, because I would like to see the Falcons in the playoffs. If Harrington does flop, then yes you are right it will be a long season. But it does’nt matter what you or I say. Harrington will be the starter and Shockley will play when he is ready. He is not ready right now. Vick will never be in a Falcon uniform(my opinion of course), so lets pull for Harrington and the Falcons.
By Cedric
August 7, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this
Why don’t everyone wait until at least after the 1st preseason game to trash anyone on the Falcons roster. I think you all have to get some kind of life if all you can talk about is the same damn thing everyday. Please wait until after this weekend to dog anyone on the Falcons.
By mike
August 7, 2007 11:51 PM | Link to this
A falcon walks into a bar, you speak the truth bro. People that hate Vick are going to hate him regardless. This dog s** just gave them the boost they needed. They were all on his nut sak in 2002 when he took a team on his back, as a 1st year starter, to Green Bay and spanked Brett the Almighty’s a.., then led us to the NFC championship with the worst coaching staff ever in 2004. We finally get a good coach and then we dont want our best player around because of allegations; PATHETIC
By Rod
August 7, 2007 11:57 PM | Link to this
Im a white guy and I want Shockley to get some playing time. If Patrino does not like him let him go to another team. Patrino is going to go with redman for the backup postion. It was decided along time ago. I think he has been putting shockley in bad situations during camp and expect the same in preseason. DJ will have to prove his self with that japanese reciever and all the scrubs.Redman is Patrinos boy in my opinion.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 7, 2007 11:57 PM | Link to this
You WILL see the sentiment change as this season and this story unfolds. Remember Kobe Bryant and Ray Lewis… .Still playing.
By I own you...
August 8, 2007 12:07 AM | Link to this
How many Pro Bowlers does Harrington have now? Quote Right?
2- Horn, Crumpler. Doesn’t matter when. Just facts right?
With you on the Pacific coast how many Falcons Practices do you get to? I mean you seem to know that the offenses isn’t working for him? Just curious.
Question how many big sesons has Chambers had? How many 1,000 yard seasons has he had?
Pro-Rated Full Harrington season
Catches- 64
Yards- 704
Seasonal Average- (Pre JH)
Catches- 63
Yards- 919
Exclude 2005 (WHICH IS A FLUKE)
Catches- 58
Yards- 869
So he went from a 14xyd average catch to an 11 under Harrington. Big Deal
By terrell
August 8, 2007 12:13 AM | Link to this
last comment by Terrell, not MIKE
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 8, 2007 12:23 AM | Link to this
“Exclude 2005”?? What kind of stat guy are you? Why don’t you exclude his INT’s and incomplete pass attempts as well. We’ll call it a “fluke”
I’ve probably been to about as many Falcons practices as you have. I also probably go to more games than you do. I can tell you that i’m not flying back to see Joey Harrington play though. I don’t blame that on anyone, but it’s just the truth. Harrington sucks.
The quote was actually “How many Pro Bowl RECEIVERS does Harrington have now that he is in Atlanta”, but thanks for your attention to detail.
You don’t want to believe the Falcons will suck this year? Fine. I’ll be here each week to remind you of what is currently obvious to a lot of us. Joey Harrington is not the guy for this offense.
By I own you...
August 8, 2007 12:33 AM | Link to this
What? Please I hope you are here every week. Your argument of Joey Harrington has always sucked and will always suck is great. So when Michael Vick is found guilty I then can say Michael Vick fought dawgs and will always fight dawgs. No chance for redemption in your book I see. Good luck with that one!
By I own you...
August 8, 2007 12:41 AM | Link to this
A;sp I did not profess to be the one with intimate knowledge on how Harrington is progressing thus far in the Falcons system. Unlike you in your 11:21 post. The system is built for a mobile QB. Also what was the problems with the QB with Chambers from 01-04 when he had margianl numbers? That is when 2005 is a fluke.
And another great role model you bring up.
Chris Chambers will plead not guilty to DWI charges against him on Aug. 15.
Only two of the six field-sobriety tests Chambers failed before blowing a legal .06 into a breathalyzer at the Charlotte police station are admissable in court. Chambers appears to have a good chance of beating the charges.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 8, 2007 12:43 AM | Link to this
I’m not alleging that Joey Harrington sucks. That case has already been tried to conviction. That’s the difference.
I will bet money that Harrington will always suck. Will you bet money that Vick is fighting dogs after this?
When M. Vick is found guilty, you can say whatever you want. Until then, he is due his day in court.
What is it that you own again? Certainly not me. I might let you pay rent just to hang out for a bit though.
By Lowcountry Bulldawg
August 8, 2007 12:44 AM | Link to this
The quote was actually “How many Pro Bowl RECEIVERS does Harrington have now that he is in Atlanta”, but thanks for your attention to detail.
When “point of view” fails, go the “grammatical error” route.
Ring a bell. Pot calling the kettle black?
By Lowcountry Bulldawg
August 8, 2007 12:48 AM | Link to this
You have a hard time with reading comprehension don’t you. A problem with analogy’s? Don’t worry its ok. I am all about redemption and willing to allow this season to unfold and give Harrington the benefit of the dought. Which is what you would like Vick to have correct? HOLLA!
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 8, 2007 12:52 AM | Link to this
I’m not the guy who has been bringing up Chris Chambers, but thanks again for your attention to detail.
I could care less about Chris Chambers and if he is found guilty he should repay his debt to society, and then be allowed to re-enter it.
I did not claim to have intimate knowledge of Joey Harrington or the Falcons system. I’ve seen Bobby ball, and I have seen Joey Harrington. I’ve seen all of the interviews with Petrino that his system is built around the abilities of a mobile QB. There’s really nothing too intimate about it. The headline of this article says it all “Harrington works on short game” You think a Petrino offense becomes explosive with a short game? You think Petrino ran up the scoreboard with dink and dunk passes? Wake up boy! Bobby ball is explosive! Joey Harrington is not!
By Lowcountry Bulldawg
August 8, 2007 12:52 AM | Link to this
Alright gotta jet..1 in tha morning on the East coast. Enjoyed the barbing with ya. Even though I think your an idiot. I am sure you feel the same. If your ever on the Sporting News website look me up(lowcountry bulldawg) and friend me that way I can read what you post and keep you in check! Peace..
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 8, 2007 12:57 AM | Link to this
Lowcountry, I own you. .,
I see that I have fascinated you enough to post under different names and even go back and ready my previous posts. I’m honored and flattered. Please do us all a favor and go get a Joey Harrington jersey. That way, when the rest of us are watching the game on TV, we will know which one you are.
By Lowcountry Bulldawg
August 8, 2007 12:58 AM | Link to this
By your still owned
August 7, 2007 11:18 PM | Link to this
You might want to check your numbers. When Petrino was with the Jags their offense wasnt that good. Their wr’s put up big numbers but overall they were just an average offensive team. When was the last time Joe Horn made the pro bowl? Joe Horn has been injury prone the last few years and is on his way to retirement. Crumpler made the pro bowl last year but he had a down season. He dropped more passes and td’s than I have ever seen him do…..Chris Chambers was also a pro bowl wr before Harrinton got there. You
You brought him up first? If you know anything about Musgrave he is a west coast qb. The west coast offense is built around the short passing game. That is why you work on it.
Did you think Petrino was going to run up the scoreboard with Vick? Did you think he was going to walk in and implement the exact offense he had at Louisville? How well did that work for the last great offensive coach from college. Spurrier? Please.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 8, 2007 12:59 AM | Link to this
Misquouting is not the same as a grammatical error.
Sounds more like the Kettle calling the pot a Kettle.
By Lowcountry Bulldawg
August 8, 2007 1:01 AM | Link to this
Alright,
A Falcon walks into a bar and I own you.
Hey I stick to the facts. You better start.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 8, 2007 1:05 AM | Link to this
My screen name is not “your still owned”. I only need one name, and I go by “A Falcon walks into a bar. .” Write it down. Once again, thank you for your proof reading and your close attention to detail.
By still owned
August 8, 2007 1:16 AM | Link to this
How can you throw out his pro bowl year? WOW THAT MADE NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER You still proved my point. He still had better numbers with so called less talented qbs. Harrington is not good. Players in Detroit blamed him for Mooch losing his job. The guy was benched last year to a qb I have never heard of in my life. He still throws more interceptions than touchdowns. Im willing to bet that Chambers has a big year with Trent Green. The fact that you showed that he was putting up more yards and more catches with other lesser talented qbs before Harrington got there proved my point. Nice try . Im not walk in a bar. Im a totally different person. I agree with everything he is saying because you guys are bringing up some horrible points. bp I feel you but trust me Harrington wont get it done. Miami had a better defense than us and he still couldnt hold onto the starting job.
By FALCON FAN
August 8, 2007 7:14 AM | Link to this
IDIOTS, Kerney is gone, dead to the Falcons. Also, it is not fair to con-Vick Harrington of having a losing season before he plays a down. Man up and get off the “we want a black QB” BULLSKEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Theedge
August 8, 2007 8:08 AM | Link to this
Why are you people acting like Mike got a lifetime ban? He is not suspended he is collecting a paycheck and he is innocent until proven guilty in the court of law. His court date is upcoming and when he is done with that and whatever his resulting obligations may be he will be back on the field.
The NFL commish made a business decision to spare NFL and Falcons sponsors the wrath of activist groups. The same type of groups that rallied around the Duke Lacrosse team and Imus.
DJ Shockley is not an NFL QB yet. I am for an open competition for the position but I firmly believe that Harrington would win that battle. It is a bunch of UGA yahoos and people that will only be happy with a black QB that proclaim SHock is the man. I just want the best man for the job that is allowed to play to be the QB. Friday DJ should get more snaps than Joey we will see then how both guys look.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 8, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
Falcon Fan,
Please find any bit of any blog of mine that says I “want a black QB”. Not true. I said that Vick is being punished prematurely and that Harrington sucks. Who can honestly tell me that Vick has had due process or that Harrington doesn’t suck? You know what really sucks? Most Falcons fans.
By OregonGuy
August 8, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this
Ok,
Yes, I enjoyed watching Harrington & co. light it up in college. When he was drafted by the Lions, I felt horrible for him - even the best of quarterbacks would be overwhelmed with that franchise’s historical ineptitude. When he was traded to the Dolphins I had a sigh of relief - maybe he will have a chance to become a solid journeyman QB. Notice I am not painting him as savior - I know better. No one should have that kind of pressure.
Why am I still a fan of Harrington’s? No, it is n ot dogged determination to root for the locals. If it was, I would have jumped on the Damon Stoudamire bandwagon, which I assure you, I did not. Joey uses his fame to do good things, to help sick kids. When is the last time you heard of him being arrested or charged with anything but being a nice guy who’s not the second coming of John Elway?
Atlanta, he may not save your team, but you could fare far worse. Vick was fun to watch when on his game, but look where he put your franchise? Give me the option of my fan money supporting Vick of Harrington, and I will choose a guy like Harrington any day. So what if the game is not as exciting or volatile? At least I can assume he won’t be in prison next year so I can watch a career progress - not fizzle.
By Theedge
August 8, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this
In United States law due process (more fully due process of law) is the principle that the government must respect all of a person’s legal rights instead of just some or most of those legal rights when the government deprives a person of life, liberty, or property. Due process has also been frequently interpreted as placing limitations on laws and legal proceedings, in order for judges instead of legislators to guarantee fundamental fairness, justice, and liberty. The latter interpretation is analogous to the concepts of natural justice and procedural justice used in various other jurisdictions. Procedural justice concerns the fairness and the transparency of the processes by which decisions are made, and may be contrasted with distributive justice (fairness in the distribution of rights or resources), and corrective justice (fairness in the rectification of wrongs). Hearing all parties before a decision is made is one step which would be considered appropriate to be taken in order that a process may then be characterised as procedurally fair. Some theories of procedural justice hold that fair procedure leads to equitable outcomes, even if the requirements of distributive or corrective justice are not met.
He has his day in court coming where he will be heard as will all sides. He is currently on paid administrative leave not unlike a police officer involved in a shooting, a teacher implicated in improper relations with a student. The NFL commish is evaluating whether or not he has violated the NFL conduct policy which was approved by the NFL Players Union and in which they agreed that it does not take a conviction to warrant punishment. He is still gathering his paycheck and hopefully preparing to defend himself vigorously.
Who has punished Vick? Give me that punishment! The at will contracts of sponsors has nothing to do with due process. It has to do with dollars and cents and Vick would be negative dollars at this time. Nobody on that Falcons team can do anything for Mike Vick except wait for the outcome then move forward.
People that support their team and don’t have a the glass is empty and got a crack in it do not suck like your 20 inches of HG A Falcon walks into a bar It is called a clue get one!
By Chris
August 8, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this
Wow, the SCLC isn’t honoring Vick now.
A black organization flip-flopping. Not going to bat for their boy. Who would’ve thought?
Question for the “innocent until proved guilty” folks:
Where were you in support of the Duke lacrosse players? Were you on their side shouting your rhetoric, or were you among those calling for a lynching before a trial even began?
You know the answer, you hypocritical f-ups.
By Chris
August 8, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this
Nice one, Theedge.
Too bad no one will read your post because most of the people on this board will half to look up at least half of the words in it.
We all know they won’t actually look the words up, so they’ll just attack you with some nonsensical jibberjabber.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 8, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this
Chris,
I was in support of Duke Lacross players. I told everyone that Duke was setting themselves up for a lawsuit by not allowing due process. What happened? Duke settled out of court. I think you might be suprised that I don’t look like you think I do.
Oregon guy,
I’m a nice guy too. I use my money for good things as well. Doesn’t mean I get to be the QB for the Atlanta Falcons. Harrington is not built for this offense. It will actually set this team back to try and pretend that Harrington is that guy. It is agreed that Harrington is the natural #1 guy on this roster, but this team is going nowhere this year and they might as well see what else they have on the roster. You know what you’re getting from Joey Harrington. Michael Vick passing numbers without the record breaking rushing stats.
Theej,
Thanks for the law quote. Who has punished Mike Vick, you ask? Why can’t I buy a Mike Vick jersey on NFL.com? Why is Mike Vick being elimated from football trading cards as if he doesn’t exist in the NFL? Mike Vick is currently on an NFL roster but has a great chance of being cut by Oct 1 when roster bonuses are due. Why is Mike Vick not allowed to go to work and perfect his craft? It is not punishment to be barred from camp? Kobe Bryant and Ray Lewis were never told to stay away from their place of employment before or during their trials, so why should Vick?
By Theedge
August 8, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this
The response to your question is simple the NFL Commish has spared the Falcons and the NFL sponsors the wrath of protestors. This is especially important for the Falcons organization who are damned if they do damned if they don’t.
The difference between Bryant and Lewis is that there was not fanatical support group to protest the sponsors. Not alot of support girls worry about white girls crying “I was in his room after midnight and got raped” or ones that are concerned with black on black crime. Are those crimes more heinous than dog fighting I believe so this shows the power of protest.
This was a business decision that was believe it or not in the best interests of Mike as well. He needs to get this straight then come back. The other Falcons in camp deserve the chance to work and perfect their craft as you say without the huge circus that would follow Mike their livelihoods are on the line. Mike will not be cut Oct 1 the Falcons do not want to part with Vick or take the cap hit whether or not he fights dogs.
Stores can decide what merchandise to sell. They too have made a decision to do what is the best interest of their bottom line. Why would you invite that protest parade into your business. I hope he is not guilty I have not passed judgement it is not my place.
As for Harrington my belief is that he is a system QB. Any success he has had was due to the system. Petrino thinks he can run his system. So the real question is will Petrino’s system work in the NFL? Will he fail like Spurrier or prosper?
By Smooth
August 8, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this
**Black v/s White, & Sports. I was born and raised in the ATL. I love the Falcons, Hawks, Braves, Thrashers, GA Force, UGA Bulldogs, and GT when they are not playing the Bulldogs. I love my city, and state, along with the teams that represent them.
It is quite disheartning, when race becomes an issue with the teams that we love. I love Vick as a player, and I believe that he has brought a lot to the ATL in regards to football, and placing the falcons on the NFL map. I remember the days of blackouts, and fans sitting in the stands with paper bags on their heads. Race should not be an issue here. I along with many other african americans supported Bartkoski, Chris Chandler, David Archer, Chris Miller, and a long list of inept qb’s.
If any of those qb’s was facing alleged crimes, would we be so quick to kick them to the curb. If Vick is indeed guilty, then he should suffer the consequences of his behavior. The same way that any other indidvidual should. He should not receive special treatment. I believe that people immediately associate this case with the OJ case. Why, because of race. As a blackman, I do not believe that OJ is innoncent. However, I don’t believe that he committed the murders by himself. I believe that he either helped, or was associated in some form with the murders. I don’t believe one person could have killed two people in that manner with out any help. Unless they were a professional killer, who may have been hired by OJ. Just my two cents on the issue.
Back to the original matter. We should not make racist statements about a players race and his ability to play qb, nor should it really matter if the jury is composed of mainly whites or blacks. What should matter is that Vick recieves a fair trial, and the truth be revealed. Making ignorant statements about the jury if they have more blacks than whites, or hanging Vick before he is convicted is wrong.
The more we continue to make race an issue, the more intense this situation will become. We have allowed the media to separate us as a country. We should all be proud of our heritage, and culture. Though we may be decendents of various culture/races, we are still americans. In regards to the falcons, and the city of atlanta. We are GA’s and falcon fans. We should root for the team regardless what the race of the qb is. We should also let the courts determine the facts about Vick, and not let public opinion sentence him. We do not know all the facts, we only know about the allegations.
If Vick is proven not guilty, the same people who have been murdering him for months on this board and in the media will be kissing his a&%, and cheering him on after each TD. If your a falcon fan, you should be a fan regardless who is at qb, as long as they are doing a good job. All this Bandwagon s#*&% is crazy. Your either with the team, or not. Race should not be an issue.
By Theedge
August 8, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
And the congregation said AMEN well said Mr. Smooth!
By Move On
August 8, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this
Thank God for this dog-fighting thing. Now we might actually get rid of Vick, who is NOT a great QB. He’s good, he’s fun to watch, but he will NEVER get the Falcons to the Super Bowl. He’s just not smart enough (or tall enough) to be the total package the Falcons need. It’s been obvious for some time that he’s not interested in seeing the team succeed; he’s only interested in his own success. Which he evidently can’t handle.
By Lowcountry Bulldawg
August 8, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this
Harrington the starter. Cnacel the season its obvious he is going to suck because Falcon walks into a bar has said so, and let me tell ya. He knows it all. If you don’t beleive me..ask him. He’ll certainly tell you. Why have a blog? Lets just have a Falcon walks into a bar… I think thats much more fitting. Heck, since he loves Vick, lets just call it a Falcon walks into a dog fighting pit. Yeah I think that fits much better.
So fans lets plan to go 0-16 because without Vick this year it will be impossible to duplicate the success we have had the past 2 seasons(15-17).
Thanks for dashing our hopes a Falcon walks into a dogfighting ring. Where would we possibly be without you. A little FYI going to send your posts in hopes you get an ESPY this year because you are truly a great blogger.
By RealTalkATLstyle
August 8, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this
I can not believe the hypocrisy I am reading here. Harrington, didn’t have an OL in Detroit and Harrington didn’t have good Recievers or an OC in Detroit or Miami. As woefold as he has been in his NFL Career we should give him a chance we should support the team. Yet these same afflictions plagued MV7 for the last three years and you same Harrington fans blasted him, degrated him & attacked him maliciously, even though we the Falcons have enjoyed the most success(in terms of mulitple years) under MV7 than at any point in Falcon history including the Superbowl year, because who really thought at the start of that season we were going to the Superbowl. Since MV7 as been here we have been considered to be one of the elite teams in the league and the past two years we were considered under- achievers, prior to the MV7 era 5-11 was the norm. Is it race? I mean now it’s support the team. I ask, where was that support the last 2 years? You justify that and we’ll support the team.
By still owned
August 8, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this
RealTalkATLstyle thank you for saying that because it’s true. Harrington has sucked his whole career yet people for some odd reason think he will all of a sudden become a player that can get us in the playoffs. Anytime someone brings up the lack of the o line, terrible playcalling, and bad wr’s they get blasted for being Vick homers but these same people are making the same excuses for Harrington. Talk about hypocrites. Smooth great post. To the person who said people just want a black qb. Who said that? If anything people feel that DJ with time will probably be better than Harrington. Honestly it probably wont take much to accomplish that. It is not about wanting a black or white qb its about wanting one who actually can play. Im sorry but Joey Harrington has had many chances to prove he is a good qb and he has not gotten the job done. If the defense can hold up this year we might win 6 games and that is a big if with some of the fragile players we have on our team. I hope Jimmy Williams learns to play that safety position quick because Chris Crocker is horrible. It was so many games last year where I was just wishing they would sit him down because he blowed play after play. I want the Falcons to do good this year but even before the Vick situation it was clear to many people that this wasnt a very good team anyway. I will support this team but I just dont see us doing well. Chris get over yourself. NO one said we will lose 16 games. You almost seem like a perfect candidate for the next ESPN commercial about a guy talking sports out of his a$$.
By A Falcon walks into a bar. . . .
August 8, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this
“Houshmazillie, Put him on the board… Championship”
By still owned
August 9, 2007 1:38 AM | Link to this
I was watching the NFL network and the word is that Joey Harrington is really not looking very good. It is said that the players and coaches knew it would be an adjustment without Vick but the offense is not looking as good with Harrington at the helm as it would have with Vick. Was reported that the players are expecting a very long season.If this is true and I have heard from others that Harrington is not really looking good, then it might be time to give DJ more reps.